JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
We Swear We’ll Stop Talking About Twin Peaks… Eventually
If you care about how winning actually happens, this one hits the nerve. We open on the NBA’s touchiest balance: can LeBron James accept a smaller on-ball role while Luka Dončić runs the show, and how long does that harmony hold if the wins wobble? Usage splits only tell half the story—ego management and late-game ownership tell the rest.
From there, we crash straight into college football’s favorite argument: should rankings honor a September head-to-head or reward who looks best in November? Notre Dame vs Miami becomes the test case, with the Group of Five auto-bid pouring gasoline on the debate. We map the weekend slate through that lens—USC–Oregon as a trench-versus-trajectory fight, Oklahoma’s résumé outpacing its offense, and Ohio State treating Rutgers as live reps before The Game.
Then the conversation turns raw and personal with the NFL. The Texans just turned Josh Allen into a spectator in his own pocket, and we explain why that defense is built to travel. The toughest question, though, lives in Cincinnati: bring Joe Burrow back and chase a flawed playoff path, or sit him to protect health and lock in premium draft capital? We unpack roster construction with specifics—defensive cornerstone first, offensive line investment second—and revisit the scars from the Bengals’ Super Bowl loss that still shape how we see the blueprint.
Along the way, you’ll get quick, honest picks, a few painful betting tales, and the kind of brotherly debate that doesn’t hide from bias or nuance. If you’re here for real talk on rankings, role fit, pass rush, protection, and the choices that decide seasons, you’ll feel right at home.
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Welcome back to the sweet podcast. Today is Friday, November the 21st. We're back for the podcast.
SPEAKER_11:We're back together doing our thing, talking sports, being dumb, maybe getting a few arguments here or there. That's like, you know, part of the whole deal. But we're here for it. So you weren't here this past Tuesday, but I think you were. We didn't do one together last week, didn't we? Yeah. So that's how we that's how we roll. We do the solo Tuesdays now. I think it's becoming more of a thing unless Jace says, hey, I'm ready, I can go. And then Friday's usually the ones we try to get together and do our thing. So we're here. We're doing it. And there's not much else to talk about. So let's go ahead and get into things. Baseball, nothing. Basketball, nothing. Wemby Soul Monster, though. So that's like that's a one-that's a biggie. Um, LeBron's apparently back.
SPEAKER_04:So did well. I think they were going over like percentages of who had the ball.
SPEAKER_07:LeBron only had the ball like 13% of the time. Yeah, it's which they think everybody's saying that's probably okay for now, but come later in the year. He's gonna get more and more frustrated with that. Yeah. But the offense run of through Luca looked pretty good.
SPEAKER_11:Again, that's always what it was gonna be at some point, right? I think the only problem is that when you're looking at LeBron, there has to be when you get to a being an athlete of his stature, you have an ego, right? You have an ego that says, hey, even at 40, 40 years old, I'm still good enough to be the best personal, best player on this team. Even though I truly believe LeBron's a smart enough and self-aware enough basketball player to understand that Luca is a better basketball player than him as of right now, at least offensively. But and the offense should run through him. But the longer that this goes, the more LeBron starts getting coming back from his injury because he didn't really play for the start of the season up until like the last week or so. He's gonna start having this thought in his brain, he's like, hey, I'm still LeBron. I'm I'm LeBron, right? Like, there's like so he's gonna start getting frustrated in that fact. And heck, there's already been stories and stuff about him and the Lakers aren't necessarily being on equal terms when it comes to what they're doing and what they see the future as. But again, that was that was gonna happen once they traded for Luca. Like Luca was gonna become the primary person that everybody was gonna revolve around. So I think LeBron has to get used to the idea that he's not the sun that everybody that every planet revolves around. In that organization, it is Luca. Actually, I will make the claim that the NBA as a whole probably values LeBron more than the Lakers do.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_11:Like when it comes to like um storyline, like what they are, personality, all of that. I I obviously I think the NBA probably put props up on a higher predest stool than the Lakers do right now. Because guess what? There's Luca, and that's the guy we have to like be in a relationship with for the long term. So obviously he will kind of take up a lot of the oxygen in the room. And the question is, is that are they gonna do enough winning for LeBron to care? Because if they do enough winning, LeBron won't care about it. He's like, hey, I want to try to win another championship, that's the main goal. And even if I have to eat a little bit of crap right now with Luca being the number one guy, I can take it as long as in my uh long-term um what's the word I'm looking for? Career accomplishments, it includes a championship. But if they stop, if they start to get to a point where they're not winning and LeBron's not being favored in the organization, there will be an issue because that's just how LeBron works. So, but yeah, that's about it I have on basketball. I really don't have anything else. I've been doing a few basketballs, but like they've been doing terribly for me, so I'm I'm not very happy.
SPEAKER_07:You should see the guys I work with there. I'm talking, we're driving around, they're listening to sports betting podcasts, and I'm like, whoa.
SPEAKER_11:I don't do I don't go that far. I do obviously I do sports betting when it comes to like football, listen to some guys that do it. That's crazy to me. Most I'm doing is listening to Fonzo's friend Troy. He is like really into NBA prop bets and stuff, so he'll send Fonzo some and then Fonzo send them to me, and I've been going with him. He's like one for like five since we've started tailing him. Again, that's not terrible in the but he's putting up plus two, three hundred. Like he's not putting up plus a thousand bets, so he's not doing anything crazy.
SPEAKER_07:Normal bets. Yes.
SPEAKER_11:Here it's like two times we missed it, but it's like a six-leg parlay. We've only missed it by one leg, and that that person missed it by like a few rebounds or a four points. It's like it's been a little bit annoying, but you know, again, it makes me more annoyed than when I lose football bets. I'm like, oh, I know I did that. Like when I'm listening to somebody else, it's like, oh, that sucks. I'm telling I'm tailing somebody and they're not getting me any wins.
SPEAKER_07:So you're telling me fucking Kyle Pitts, my bitch.
SPEAKER_11:You're you're going to you're gonna rely on that for like the rest of time, but I I do give out actual winners. Two. Like you stopped betting for the most part.
SPEAKER_06:Because every bet you gave me fucking lost.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, you did it for a few weeks, then you're like, I'm done.
SPEAKER_08:And I'm like, okay, every bet you gave me fucking lost. I get it.
SPEAKER_07:For like a three, four week span, every Saturday and Sunday, you gave me a bet, them bitches lost. I'm I'm very aware. And I'm sitting here like, I'm just losing money. How do you think I feel? Like a dumbass. I'm losing my money along with you. You know it's the best way to not lose money?
SPEAKER_11:Don't gamble. Nope. That's too that's that's a little too much. I can't go. I can't that's a it's a it's a scoche too far, and I like gambling, it's fun. I'm not ruining my life with it, so I'm gonna have a little fun. Do my thing, you know? That's all I got. And heck, our younger brother Braylon is always always on me, he's like, It's a problem, Joe. It's a problem. Like, no, it's not. It is not a problem until you are like every little sp What do you mean? Don't look at me that way. Come on, don't do that.
SPEAKER_07:What? Don't do this.
SPEAKER_11:No, I've just I've never let it get to a point where it consumes my life. It doesn't. It's a fun thing. And I have fun doing it. And then when football season's over, I like my about betting like goes down precipitously.
SPEAKER_07:Why are you trying to defend it?
SPEAKER_11:Because you're looking at me as if I like this is like an AA meeting, I'm waiting for people to pop out of the closet. Um, but no, it's not the case. Okay? God.
SPEAKER_07:You mean an intervention, but yeah. That's not how an AA meaning works.
SPEAKER_11:AA meeting does it's not as alcohol alcoholics anonymous, but there is betting versions of that.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. They talk about it all the time when they talk about sports betting. It's that liberal long story. Yeah, there's a number to call. Call those numbers.
SPEAKER_11:Problem gambling? They give you this like really long number to call. Yeah. 1-800 gambler. So yeah, that's not me. I'm good. I'm in a good spot. All right. Gosh. Alright.
unknown:Let's go.
SPEAKER_11:Can we talk about sports now?
SPEAKER_01:We are.
SPEAKER_11:Not really. This is starting this starting to feel like an interrogation.
SPEAKER_07:I didn't like that. Legit have only said a couple of things, and you took it tough her. Yeah, but it's the eyes. It's the eye. You know what you did with your eyes. Which makes me think you have a sports betting problem.
SPEAKER_11:I don't have a sports betting problem.
SPEAKER_07:Gosh, I hate you.
SPEAKER_11:You know, you know what you just did there. You you know you just like you just threw me into the fire a little bit. Uh, I hate you. All right, college football. Before I get to the games coming up this weekend, can I ask you a question? Because I know college football is where you usually kind of like glaze over and stop listening and play on your phone. But I need to ask you a specific question, okay? This is in regards to the college football playoff rankings that happened last week. And there's a specific problem that is starting to arise that is make everybody go crazy, all right? So, as of since Alabama lost, they've dropped, they were at four, they dropped down to ten, okay. And here's where Miami is at 13, and Notre Dame is at nine, okay? This is like the two spots because these two teams specifically played each other at the beginning of the season, right? Miami won the game, they looked a lot better, they kind of dominated the game, even though the score was close. Okay. And the problem is that once these last two weeks happen, and then you have the the um championship weekend, you're gonna have a problem with Notre Dame, who plays nobody's for the next two weeks. Then they I think they play Notre Dame and somebody, somebody else. I think uh Cal or something like that. Sorry, they play like Cal and Stanford, I think. And then Miami, they both have the same record, by the way. They're both eight and two. Miami has had two bad losses to ACC teams, so and because of that, they have a real shot of like not making the ACC championship game at all. Okay, it's almost guaranteed unless a lot of crazy things happen in front of them. Now it's becoming becoming an issue because Notre Dame and Miami have played each other, and now everybody's going crazy about the on-field game should matter when it comes to rankings and all of that. And because how things are going, Notre Dame might keep falling and Miami might just stay where they're at, and they're both gonna be around the 9, 10, 11, 12 line. And these rankings don't even include the group of five team because the group of five champion. Group of four. It's group of five because they're outside the top four. It's like the JMU's, like those. The it's like the highest ranked um conference.
SPEAKER_07:I've I heard Power Five.
SPEAKER_11:I said group of five.
SPEAKER_07:Okay. There's five conferences still.
SPEAKER_11:No, they're just there's just they're still called the Group of Five. Okay. Yeah, there's only four numbers. Oh, the Group of Five? No, there's there's the Conference USA. There's the Southern the Sun Belt.
SPEAKER_07:Oh! There's No no no. I was thinking SEC. No, uh Big Ten, those guys. No, I'm talking about. Oh, the small ones. Okay.
SPEAKER_11:So so the Group of Five champion is gonna be in the top 12 because they're given that right of being in the top 12 no matter what, even though they probably don't deserve it. And as of right now, the highest ranked group of five team is looking like Tulane right now. That's not true. And Tulane has two bad two losses. Tulane's not a bad school, though. But people are having an issue because Tulane is what as they're ranked right now as a 24th ranked team, and they're gonna be given a top 12 spot because they're gonna be the group of group of five champion. So people are having an issue because they don't have to play the same team as everybody else, and they get to just be given a spot in the top 12 when there's many teams that are ranked above them that are looked at as the better teams, and that's a whole thing. But past that point. So it might come to a point where the question is, will Miami or or Notre Dame deserve to be in the playoff more between the two? So my question to you is what do you value more? Who was the better team when they played at the beginning? I'm sorry, who's the better team as of right now, or the on-field performance where they played each other on the same field at the beginning of the season? What would you value more?
SPEAKER_07:The on-field performance.
SPEAKER_11:Like when they played each other, or you're talking about what where they are right now?
SPEAKER_07:No, on where they are right now.
SPEAKER_11:Because they played at the beginning of the season. That's where that's where the question becomes, is because everybody that says that they go with who's the better team right now, because my the Notre Dame's the better team. And again, the two teams that they played, the best teams they played, they lost to. They lost to Miami and they lost to Texas AM. Texas AM is a top two team right now. They're number no, sorry, they're number three in the actual Cosmo playoff ranking right now, and they lost to Miami. Miami's losses were to Louisville and who else they lose to. Sorry, it was two bad losses. Louisville and SMU, two teams they should not have lost to. And as of right now, Notre Dame's the better team. They've played a lot better, they've looked a lot more dominant, but they aren't playing the same. I'm not gonna say aren't playing the same caliber of team because they're usually playing pretty similar. But then people are gonna whine about the on-field performance, so the game should matter. And I'm just sitting here like you have to cut, you have to like you have to like um, there's different ways to skin a cat. And the way I think of it is that the team they are right now should probably matter more, and that'll only lead to I don't know. I only wanted to ask you this question because usually when it comes to the stuff like this, when it comes to like philosophical things, you and I usually tend to be on different sides of arguments when it comes to I would like to say the team they are right now.
SPEAKER_07:I don't think Notre Dame deserves a fucking spot anyway.
SPEAKER_11:I don't think so either. The two teams they they lost to are the teams that like they those are the two best teams that they faced. And as of right now, Notre Dame's best win is against number 20 USC.
SPEAKER_07:See? That shit. I don't know. I guess. That's their best win. I guess it just pisses me off that you get to play basically whoever the fuck you want, and then you just get a spot.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, you're telling me, and then they automatically do not have a chance to play in any conference championship game because they won't join a conference.
SPEAKER_07:So it's like what the fuck? I feel like we're getting to a point where we're gonna have like a Notre Dame be like, you gotta join the conference.
SPEAKER_11:You have to join. Join somebody. Join the Big Ten, join the ACC, join the SEC. Like, join somebody.
SPEAKER_07:They uh you know they probably should have joined the Big Ten of fucking.
SPEAKER_11:Probably it makes sense though, dude. It makes sense.
SPEAKER_07:Damn, it's not joined the Big Ten forever ago now.
SPEAKER_11:And it's just I think if Notre Dame finds a way to not be in this playoff because Miami gets jumped over them, I think that might be the last straw for Notre Dame to where they actually might have to make that decision. Because I just don't think Notre Dame in their can look at their fans.
SPEAKER_07:Who am I kidding?
SPEAKER_11:But the ACC is not guaranteed to last long term because their e their best teams are looking to leave.
SPEAKER_07:That's the thing. They don't be like Notre Dame would bitch out and try to join a.
SPEAKER_11:Oh no, I I totally agree with I totally agree with that. But I just don't think Notre Dame can look at their the school can look at their fans and say, hey, we're gonna keep letting stuff like this happen because we have no chance of playing in a conference championship game like everybody else.
SPEAKER_08:So you don't get an automatic buy-in.
SPEAKER_11:So you get an automatic buy, and then next thing you know, Notre Dame's you're now you're hoping for the 12 committee members to value you enough to put you in the playoff, even if you don't necessarily have the best resume. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:But you don't.
SPEAKER_11:They don't. Again, they've played nobody's all year except for the two teams that they lost to, and they're gonna be in the playoff. I've been saying all year, as long as Notre Dame is 10 and 2, it's gonna be very hard for the committee to look at a brand like Notre Dame and keep them out of the playoff. But if it comes down to either them or Miami, it's gonna be a question. And I I I think Notre Dame should probably be in because they're the better team. But if the committee makes a different decision and decides to say, hey, we want to value the on-field performance that they had at the beginning of the year when Notre Dame had a f like a true sophomore quarterback that never started a game before. Like, I just if they make one decision, it could technically change it could really change like what Notre Dame does long term. But it's just a we it's just a weird question. I'm not gonna lie to you. And the you know what does make me happy about these rankings though? Texas being solo now, them being at 17. The only question is with them is that if they beat Texas AM at the end of the year, everybody's like, oh, should Texas still be in the should should they be able to get back into the playoff if they beat Texas AM at the end of the season? And I'm like, they're at 17, they have three losses, they probably they don't deserve to be in. They don't. Especially with some of the wins they had. They had to beat Mississippi State in overtime, and they had to beat Kentucky in overtime. Not good wins. Some really bad wins. Even though they're wins, they're bad wins. So I just I just don't think they deserve to they deserve to be in, even if they got that upset victory over AM at the uh like not this coming weekend, but with next weekend. But yeah, that's like so that's that's the question I had to ask you about the rankings, because I thought it was a pretty fill as a decent philosophical question about the you know what they did on the field rather than what they are as teams right now. It's more like the eye test type of thing. All right, that's all I had on that. Um, let's get to the games that that are happening this weekend. Not that many, but we'll just kind of run through them. Rutgers going to Ohio State. I'm only mentioning this game because Ohio State's gonna probably gonna be without both Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith because they'd be dealing with injuries. Carnell hasn't played like the last two weeks because of some sort of muscle issue, which again, as long as they get to have both of them play against Michigan next week, I don't care. We're not gonna lose the Rutgers. I don't care if we have our fourth and fifth string, because guess what? They're probably five stars too wide receivers playing. We have enough to beat Rutgers. And the only person that like Carnel Tate has a chance to play because he's been gone the last couple weeks. Maybe they might want to give him a ramp up uh to play a little bit before they play against Michigan next week. But I don't think Jeremiah should play whatsoever. Like he's been playing, he has a little bit of the issue, some sort of issue. They're not gonna say exactly what the injuries are. There are a bunch of Ohio State fans going crazy talking about the JSN situation when he had his injury and then missed the rest of the year or Nick Bosa when that happened. But I'm like, the only thing is that when Ohio State, I get it, they don't talk about injuries, it's annoying. I totally understand that the lack of transparency leads to conspiracy theories being made. But when players can't play the rest of the year, Ohio State's the first team to come out and say that. When we lost um our center, uh Seth McLaughlin last year when he tore his uh Achilles, they said right away. So if it's like a season ending injury, they're always the first to come out and say it and nip it in the bud right away. Or heck, when um um Josh Simmons, the left tackle, that ended up getting drafted by the Kansas City when he tore his um ACL. When he when he's done, they're gonna say so. So I'm gonna believe Ryan Day when he says, hey, they're gonna play again this season, this is not long term. But I just think to a certain degree, we don't need them to go beat Rutgers, especially where at home. I don't think it'll be an issue, especially with our defense being as good as it is. I just don't think Ohio's even it doesn't matter about style points anymore. This is all about Ohio State just beating Rutgers and getting ready for Michigan. And if you can rest Jeremiah and Cardinal and have them ready to go next week against that team up north, that should be the plan that you go with. So Ohio situation, I think they're 30-point favorite, 32 and a half point favorites, even with the wide receiver issues like that. So that's like it goes to show you how big of a gap there is as a team between these two, even without the wide receivers. So Ohio State wins, they dominate. It may not be as crisp offensively, even though I actually think this might be a blessing in disguise, because now you get to have your third, fourth, fifth string receivers out there with Julian Sain and kind of get to build some chemistry in an actual football game. So if something does happen when Ohio State does go on this this um road of going for a national championship, if one of these one of those two main guys goes down, they're gonna have a little bit of in-game experience with these younger wide receivers to come in and be able to be like, hey, I know how he runs this route.
SPEAKER_07:So just in case.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, it's a just in case scenario. And again, it's a sucks that you have a game like this where Ruckers is supposed to be a big 10 team, but they're just not that good. But I think in Ohio it come it comes in Ohio State's favor that, like, hey, we get to have a little bit of like a um I don't want to call it a scrimmage, but it's a scrimmage. I wouldn't say this about Michigan because I've already been bit by that before. But outside of Michigan, Brian Day does not lose teams that we should beat. So I'm gonna be very confident and say that Ohio C is gonna win this game comfortably. It might be a little out of pocket. I'm not gonna lie to you, it might be, but it's as close to that as what it's gonna be. It's not a real football game.
unknown:It's fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_07:This is how you lost good records, my nigga. It's just crazy. We lost a record.
SPEAKER_11:I know we live in two different worlds, but again, we do that. We live in two different worlds in the NFL as well. Yes, we do. We're in the same fucking boat right now, but in general, like when you have Joe Burrow out there, we're in two different worlds.
SPEAKER_07:No, we're fucking not. We're still losing by fucking uh three touchdowns because we have no fucking defense.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but you have a future. Do we? Yeah, not long if we don't get no better.
SPEAKER_07:Alright, let's get out of that game. It's not a bright fucking future.
SPEAKER_11:Do you know what's number three Tech San M face is this week? Samford.
SPEAKER_07:Samford?
SPEAKER_11:I'll say it again. Samford. Yes. Um I don't know who the fuck that is. I exactly. That's who they're playing this week.
SPEAKER_07:My first thought was Sam Houston, but I was like, Samford? S-A-M-F-O-R-D. Samford, yes.
SPEAKER_11:Um next game. Number two, Missouri, number 22, Missouri goes to play number eight Oklahoma. This is Oklahoma's like a six and a half point favorite in this game. Oklahoma's coming off the big win against Alabama last week. And now they're facing up against a Missouri team that doesn't have their quarterback, that only can really run the football and really can't do much else. Passing the football is not really a big thing for them right now. And I just think Oklahoma playing against this team, I do think they're probably the they're the obviously a better team. And oh, by the way, I don't think Oklahoma's a top eight team in the country, by the way. But the only problem is that the teams that they beat have given them a very good um resume. Because the team they they beat number 15, Michigan, number 22, Auburn. They beat Tennessee and Alabama. So, like, unfortunately, because of the teams they have beaten, they have such a good resume they can't be dropped outside the top 10. But they don't deserve to be a top 10 team. They're not their defense is very good, but their offense is kind of garbage. Um, but Oklahoma probably will win this game against Missouri because Missouri can't throw the football whatsoever, and Oklahoma's defense is good enough to lock down the run for Missouri. So I do think Oklahoma's gonna win this game, especially with them being at home. But it's just, you know, it'd be nice if Missouri got the win there to kind of throw even more chaos in the SEC because it'd just be fun. I love this, I love seeing the ace the um SEC squirrel uh flail around. Miami, Virginia Tech. I only mentioned this game because Virginia Tech now has a new coach. James Franklin. Do you think he'll work there?
SPEAKER_07:I think he will. If Virginia Tech's okay with 10 and 2, they will be though.
SPEAKER_10:They haven't done shit in 15, 20 years.
SPEAKER_11:So think about it this way. If if he if James Franklin does exactly at Virginia Tech what he did at Penn State, he'll have a job for the rest of his life, they'll have a statue for him.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know.
SPEAKER_11:Yes, they will.
SPEAKER_07:No, when teams started getting better, they start getting expectations.
SPEAKER_11:They do, but it's Virginia Tech.
SPEAKER_07:All teams are gonna be a good thing.
SPEAKER_11:Virginia Tech is not a team that you could just sit here and be like, oh, we have a good enough team every year to go win a national championship. That's not what Virginia Tech is.
SPEAKER_07:Expectations get become greater as a team gets better. Believe me, I got fucking expectations. All I did was got Joe Burrow. I saw this nigga throw the football once and I was like, we're going to the Super Bowl. We're making the Super Bowl every year. Uh and all I did was throw the football.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_07:That's just how shit works, dude.
SPEAKER_11:It does. But you know what's funny? Is that I heard something that said the Virginia Tech is eventually wanting to join the Big Ten. So James Franklin.
SPEAKER_07:If this nigga makes his way back to the Big Ten.
SPEAKER_11:Makes his way back into the Big Ten just to be in the same situation again.
SPEAKER_07:Almost pass.
SPEAKER_11:It'll be insane. It'll be insane if that happens. Because it like because apparently when they were trying to hire, they've been trying to hire him for weeks, but apparently he's been waiting on Florida State to potentially open. Because again, if Florida State's job is open, that's like a much better job because of the recruiting footprint you're in. You just throw a rock somewhere, you're gonna find a five-star recruit for somewhere in that in that state of Florida. But that job never opened, so he's like, hey, I guess I'll just take the Virginia Tech job. And if the idea that he ends up going back to the Big Ten with as the Virginia Tech's head coach, it would be very a hilarious situation. Because if he's in the ACC, if he just wins them like one or two ACC championships and he continuously wins them nine, ten games a year, they'll never question him at all. Ever. He'll be their god. He'll be their next Saban. I don't know. But Miami should win this game without much of an issue. Should Miami's been known to lose games they shouldn't lose. No, so I totally agree with that. I know what Georgia plays this week? Charlotte.
SPEAKER_04:The Bobcats or the Hornets.
SPEAKER_11:49ers.
SPEAKER_04:Who the fuck?
SPEAKER_11:The Charlotte 49ers is who Georgia plays this week. Next game. Already told you about Bama playing Eastern Illinois. That game really doesn't matter. Next one. U.S. number 15 USC goes to play number seven Oregon. This is a big game this week. I'm not gonna lie to you. This is like a borderline playoff game for USC because if they lose, they're knocked out of the playoffs altogether.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, Tulane beat USC.
SPEAKER_11:Huh? Did Tulane beat USC?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_11:USC's losses this year came to Illinois and Notre Dame. But yeah, this is a borderline playoff playoff game for USC. Actually, no, it is a playoff game for USC because they lose this, they're knocked out of the playoff, they really have no chance of doing that at all. And then Oregon, if they lose this game, they still have a chance to be in the playoff, but they're not gonna be nearly as secure as if they win this game.
SPEAKER_10:Oregon has a right now game.
SPEAKER_11:But if not, they are gonna be in a spot where like they're gonna have to hope that the committee does not throw them out of the playoff altogether because Oregon just will not be in the tr the conference championship game, especially not with the uh with a loss to USC. So with all that, so you just kind of like you lose all sense of like having your own future in your own hands type of thing when it comes to the playoff scenario and all that. So it's it's definitely a big game for this for them this weekend. I think Oregon is favored by like nine and a half in this game, ten and a half. And when it comes to how these two teams play, Oregon runs the football very well. And I think that's gonna give USC a lot of problems. That's one thing, that's one part of their defense that they definitely have not fixed. Like if the team can kind of run down the middle of your defense, the USC is not gonna be able to hold up, especially not over a whole game. They'll do better at the beginning of the game, but like as the game goes along, they'll just kind of like little by little, it'll get to a point where if Oregon keeps out of, they are gonna get some explosive runs there at the end of the game. But on the other side of it, USC's passing offense is something that Oregon hasn't really had to face all that much this season. Like USC with um Jaden Maiava throwing to Mikhail Lemon, like that is they have a passing offense that Oregon really has not had to face. I think the best passing team that they have faced this year is Indiana, and they lost pretty handily to them at home. So I think this is kind of like a both teams definitely have an advantage over the other, especially when it comes to each other's offenses facing each other's defenses. The only thing with me is that there is like a clear delineation for USC as to like what they are at home in comparison to what they are on the road. USC is a much better team at home than they are on the road, and it's just it's like a huge difference. At Notre Dame, they lost pretty big, and then they lost at Illinois, and they didn't lose big, actually didn't lose big in either of those situations, but it just the team was not playing the same as they were if they were at home. So, and they're going to a place like Oregon, who would which is a famously hard place to play in college football. So I just think this game is a huge one, a lot of uh stakes on it, and I think that I would probably lean towards Oregon because I just think Oregon has the has the offense that'll be able to run down USC's throat. And I think their defense will be able, even though I don't think they've been testing in a way that think USC will test them, but I do think Oregon does have the athletes that'll be able to keep up with USC's offense and at least keep them from being able to like throw the football at will. And I think it'll I just think it leans towards Oregon, especially Oregon being at home. I think Oregon will win the game. I think I don't think they'll win by double digits, though. I think the game will be close, but I do lean Oregon to win that game. Next game, Arkansas goes to Texas to play. Arkansas, you know, Arkansas, they have a they have scored more points than they have given up, and they are on the season they're two and eight.
SPEAKER_08:Damn.
SPEAKER_11:I think they're plus eighteen in point differential, so like they have actually scored more points than they have given up by 18 points, and they've only won two games this year. So Arkansas can really score the football. They really can. Like they that's something that they could have been able to do all season long. But the problem is they can't stop anybody defensively, and they're facing off tech against a Texas team that Arch has really found a little bit of consistency as of recently, throwing the football, but it's just Texas is not a consistent offense in general. And I don't know. I think if this is I would love for Texas to get a loss against Arkansas because it would just be the death nail in the coffin of Texas this year, to where they will be there's no chance for them to do anything, even if they do do go and beat Texas AM at the end of the season. But I think in general, I think Texas in Texas defense has not been. Consistent once over they're a little bit better than what they were, but it's just it has not been consistent at all for them. And I think Arkansas can really make this a game, to be totally honest with you. But I just think that Arkansas is just not consistent enough. I don't think they're off, I don't think their defense is gonna be able to get enough stops against Texas. They're over under 58 and a half. That's a wild number. I don't know. That's a lot of points. But I I I'll lean Texas, but I do think Arkansas can really scare them for sure. Michigan State plays Iowa.
SPEAKER_07:You mean Michigan State gets dog walked by fucking Iowa?
SPEAKER_11:Iowa's good.
SPEAKER_07:We win in six games this year? No. No, crazy. So I'm like, I fucking knew that.
SPEAKER_11:Look, it looked better when I was doing it before the season started.
SPEAKER_07:Every year I'm telling I tell you, don't make that fucking bet we're not gonna win six. And then you try to convince me we're gonna win six. I'm like, all right, maybe we can win six. And I start looking at it.
SPEAKER_11:I start seeing how we're playing like you were only off by one game last year.
SPEAKER_07:We're gonna be off by three. Yeah, it's it's bad.
SPEAKER_11:It's not good.
SPEAKER_07:We're getting worse.
SPEAKER_11:You have better quarterback play, but your defense is awful. No, I I think the guy they have starting over uh Chiles is actually somewhere else. Maybe. I don't think he's that much better. I think he's just more consistent. I don't know.
SPEAKER_08:Which is that much fucking better.
SPEAKER_11:Just get a better coach, and I think he'll be fine.
SPEAKER_07:Is the coach the problem?
SPEAKER_11:Go get Brian Kelly.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know. Maybe. I don't think he's the problem. I don't think he's just the solution.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, no, I get that.
SPEAKER_07:I think he's a placeholder. I think he could wait maybe one more year.
SPEAKER_11:I don't know. I I I get what you're saying, but yeah, they're not getting the six wins, they're not. And I was a very good football team, especially with being at home. I don't think Michigan State has any chance to win that game. I was just been really good at running the football. And heck, they're actually getting a little bit of a passing game now with their quarterback. So, especially with Michigan State's defense being as terrible as it is.
SPEAKER_07:Dog fucking that defense is so bad, dude. So bad. Why do I gotta watch a defense give up 40 on Saturday just to watch the same shit on Sunday?
SPEAKER_11:I don't know. I don't know, man. That's just that's your life as of right now. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_07:If the bank if Joe Bro's gonna come back, you know this. I know this. If they don't have the ball last, we're not winning it.
SPEAKER_11:Probably not, no.
SPEAKER_07:We have to if we in the last two minutes, we better have the fucking ball. We better be in a close game because if we're not, we're not winning it. Yeah, I agree. Even then, they're just gonna throw up a bomb for 45 yards to some random nigga I've never fucking heard of. Who already has three touchdowns and 658 yards? But it is what it is, and I'm I will not watch them play this Sunday.
SPEAKER_11:Well, let me get to the rest of these games and then we'll get to it, I promise. Hurry up through these games. Okay, I'm going.
SPEAKER_07:Real quick, would you go to Twin Peaks with me? I don't I've never been to Twin Peaks. You ever have their food? No, dude. Do you like mozzarella sticks? Uh, depends. Okay, okay, okay. They have like these panko crusted like mozzarella balls, like really tiny.
SPEAKER_09:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:Best things of the planet. They are so fucking good. Everything I've had of their food is so fucking good. I just their food is phenomenal. Now, I I have a friend, he goes to Twin Peaks three times a week.
SPEAKER_11:You sound like people that like were like roosters people. I mean not roosters, uh Hooters people.
SPEAKER_07:No, Hooters food tastes like dick. I've never had I've never had either, so um, but no, there's a guy I used to work with. He's he goes to Twin Peaks four to five times a week.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. But didn't you say he was in love with like one of the waitresses though?
SPEAKER_07:Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Personally. Their fucking food is way too good. That's what they always say. Dude, I mean my friend Ralph said the same shit. So we had the food. We both have girlfriends. We don't struggle from bitchlessness.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:I just want the food. Those mozzarella balls, dude.
SPEAKER_11:They're to die for.
SPEAKER_07:They're to die for.
SPEAKER_11:Maybe I'll do a pickup order type of thing.
SPEAKER_07:No, get that bit delivered. I feel like a pickup order is weirder. It's weirder. I don't want to walk in that bitch. I'm not like I I will never go on my own. I only go if that guy, if that specific is.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, if you go on your own, you're just a creep.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. If that specific guy is going, I'll go with him. Yeah. Because it's funny to make fun of him.
SPEAKER_11:Right.
SPEAKER_07:But they're if it's just two of us, there need to be at least four, three or four people. Yeah. There has to be at least four people. If not, you're just being weird. No fucking shot I'm going. Yeah. It's weird.
SPEAKER_11:I I I like I like you saying that better now because that if you go by yourself, you're just weird.
SPEAKER_07:Uh he was like, oh, it was me, you, and my brother. And I'm like, no, y'all niggas go three times a week. Fuck you. I'm not going anywhere near you. I was like, they have you on a list. I was like, there's no reason why we've been there five times. Why does every day it was a different girl five times? Why do all of them know your name?
SPEAKER_02:You're there way too much, my boy. They knew too much.
SPEAKER_07:Both him and his older brother. And I was like, bro, y'all gotta find a new restaurant. Go somewhere else. I told him, I was like, all you get is chicken tenders. And I granted, I had their chicken tender. I was like, this shit is good. I was like, this is fire. But it's not that good.
SPEAKER_02:Not that good.
SPEAKER_07:I was like, bro, roosters are down the road. Right. I was like, we could just the first time we went, and I I had never been. I had been once. I took my our nephew there. Um uh year old. I took our nephew there. Uh uh the first time we went, Twin Peaks. Yeah. That was the first time I went, right? Yeah. It was hilarious. But I had a chicken tenders. It's pretty fucking good.
SPEAKER_02:Not that good.
SPEAKER_07:Not that good.
SPEAKER_02:Not that good. Not that good.
SPEAKER_07:Because like the kids don't drink. So like it. Right. Like that's cool. Like they always they have like ice cold beer. It's really cool. It's nice. It's not that good. Their food is really good. Good enough to go on my own? Hell no. No. Good enough to go in a group less than three people?
SPEAKER_08:No.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_07:Good enough to get it delivered? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_09:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:Sorry.
SPEAKER_11:I needed to make my case to all you need to do is make the case to Braylon with those ribs, and he'd be down.
SPEAKER_07:There is ribs. I've never had the ribs. See? He wouldn't want to take that chance. I couldn't call like they're fine-cutting me angry. I got a steak. It's a steak.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_07:It's cooked. That's it. But like I got a pot roast.
SPEAKER_11:Alright, I got a few more games to talk about when we'll get to the NFL stuff. I get it.
SPEAKER_07:I've been trying to I've been thinking of other topics to talk about. That's not college football because I don't care about college football.
SPEAKER_11:I only have a few more games. Then we're good when we're going in a few. Pitt going to Georgia Tech.
SPEAKER_07:Not a good enough game. Next one.
SPEAKER_11:Georgia Tech should win the game. Next game. But they need it. Because if they don't win, they don't have to win. They just need to win the ACC because if not, it becomes very good.
SPEAKER_07:How good is Pitt?
SPEAKER_11:They're a good team.
SPEAKER_07:Who has Georgia Tech lost to?
SPEAKER_11:They lost to in North Carolina State.
SPEAKER_07:Better team than Pitt.
SPEAKER_11:Yes, but Georgia Tech only knows how to win like one score game. That's fine. That's fine. If they leave it close, then another team can technically bite them and win the game.
SPEAKER_07:Pitt's not that team. Next game.
SPEAKER_11:They did lose bad to Notre Dame last week. I know. Let's see. Don't care, don't care, don't care. That's all I got then. Tennessee goes to play Florida. Tennessee doesn't really matter. They're in the top 25 for some reason. Florida's a good enough team.
SPEAKER_07:Florida should dog walk them.
SPEAKER_11:They're at home. Like Florida's a very hard team to play at when they're at home. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_08:Florida should dog walk them.
SPEAKER_11:But Florida's not a good football team. They don't have a head coach. They don't have good quarterback play.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, their burgers are good. And I'm not a burger guy, but fuck. Tennis thing called billionaire bacon.
SPEAKER_11:If Tennessee plays how they need to play, they should win this game. But if they don't show up being ready to go, Florida can definitely knock them off. Just like they knocked off Texas. Fire ass place, bro. Alright, that's all I got for college football. Jason can stop trying to steal their conversation away from it. Let's go ahead and do go to the NFL stuff.
SPEAKER_07:If it's just a normal restaurant, probably my go-to restaurant. If it was a normal restaurant.
SPEAKER_11:It's like better than? Huh? Better than like Texas. No, no, no, no. But it's cheaper than Texas Ring House.
SPEAKER_07:Okay. It's cheaper. Cheaper. And the food is still pretty good. Okay. That's the thing.
SPEAKER_11:He's out for the rest of the year. Sam Laporte's out for the rest of the year. He has to get back surgery. That sucks. That's awful. Sorry, I saw it and I was like, it was a surprise to me. It's not Joe Burroughs. What do I care? You're gonna have to care again.
SPEAKER_07:I'm not. I can't. Um, but again, as good as Texas Rodhouse, no. But what I'm the only thing I want for Texas Rodhouse is a steak. Right. I've eaten several different items there.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, because her steak isn't good.
SPEAKER_07:Yes, but that's the thing, everything else is. They had street tacos that someone didn't like. But that's because she didn't get to fix them. Right. The salsa, all the other stuff. They're actually pretty fucking good. I got the salmon with a rice pilaf. Bruh. Bruh.
SPEAKER_06:Can't believe you. It was so unnaturally good.
SPEAKER_11:Can we stop talking about Twin Peaks? It's got to be the name of the podcast. Are we done? That's the name of the podcast now. Can we stop talking about Twin Peaks? Yes, we are. We're going to the NFL. Story wise, JS, I mean, Jackson Dart, still in protocol, not going to be playing against the Lions. Sam Laporte, like I just said, out back surgery, out for the season. That sucks. He has like a main big reason for on their offense. The Detroit Lions did not look great last week against the Eagles. Again, it's mostly because of the Eagles' defensive line is scary again. Like they're back to being what they were last season, where like at the end of the year.
SPEAKER_01:You know who's really scary?
SPEAKER_11:Texans? Texans. We'll get to that. We would talk about that game because watching them last night, that defense is a revelation. That like didn't defense. I've been saying all year also they are.
SPEAKER_07:And apparently the offensive line can only protect when it's not CJ Stroud. But CJ Stroud hasn't played in three weeks. True, but they've protected a whole lot fucking better.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, but what happens when they get CJ in there and he's not missing passes? Do you know what we'll get we'll get to that because that game was so annoying last night. I've been watching them play.
SPEAKER_07:Because I never thought Davis Mills was all that all that terrible. I never thought he was all that bad. He was bad last night. Again, I never for the first half he was bad. I never thought he was all that bad.
SPEAKER_11:Right.
SPEAKER_07:I I watched Jake Browning play.
SPEAKER_11:Nothing's that he was two of ten at one point.
SPEAKER_07:My nigga, Jake Browning has had as almost as many interceptions as Gino and didn't even play the first three weeks. And they had similar amount of interceptions. But again, that nigga's neck is so long. Yeah. Remember like a Candace from Phoenix and Fird? Yeah.
SPEAKER_11:Burrow. We'll get to it. The story.
SPEAKER_07:It's exactly what it looks like.
SPEAKER_11:We're gonna get to the main thing. The main thing you've been dreading ever since the news came out of two weeks ago. It looks like he may be back. They're saying he looks outstanding and he's trending towards a return this week. Joe Burrow, of course he looks outstanding. Yes, but they're saying when it comes to his injury, he's taking all the first team reps yesterday. Mr. Joe Fluco's taking all the second team reps. It's starting to it's really trending towards it's it's Joe Burrow time in Cincinnati. How do you feel? Are you excited? Are you disappointed?
SPEAKER_07:Disappointed. Stay hurt, nigga. I want a top five pick. Okay. Go sit at home with whatever fucking supermodel you got on your couch. As the city of Cincinnati just talks about how much they miss you. He shouldn't play. There's no reason for you to play. The playoffs do not exist to us. Oh. I hate it. Unfortunately, it fucking does. Because the North is that fucking bad. Yeah. The Ravens are only just started being okay. The Steelers are on the decline. Unfortunately, they beat the Bengals, so they're going to make the playoffs. But the winner to make the playoffs is still there. And I don't want to. I don't want to have ambition. I don't want to have hopes. No, no Chiefs. There's no one to oppose us. What do you mean? Oh, my bad. There is one thing to oppose us. It's called our defense. Um and that's happening every week. So what's the point? Why go out there to put up fucking 65 to lose? And you do not have an easy road the rest of the way. No, it's hard as shit. That's the other problem. Is it's only getting harder. You have the series, we the end of our schedule, like the last eight games, was gonna be hard as fuck. So to my head, the goal was to win as many games as we could early so that these hard games were weren't mattering as much. And they didn't weigh on us as heavy. Unfortunately, we lost all the fucking easy games.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, because Joe Burrow got hurt second game of the year. Yeah. And that was the last game we won. No, you beat the Steelers.
SPEAKER_07:Okay. Not exactly a fucking achievement. Yeah. We gotta hope the Steelers don't beat themselves. Yeah. Uh the offense is playing shitty and then the defense starts playing worse. I don't know, dude.
SPEAKER_11:You can't say that after we just beat your ass last week.
SPEAKER_07:You beat Joe Flacco.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:You did not beat Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_11:We still beat we still scored 34 points.
SPEAKER_07:You also lost to Jake Browning.
SPEAKER_11:We didn't lose to Jake Browning. It was Joe Flacco when you beat Joe.
SPEAKER_07:Okay. So you lost to the worst defense in the NFL.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And you put up 34 points against the worst defense in the NFL? Yeah. But we also couldn't. Is that a is that a like a thing to boast about?
SPEAKER_11:We limited Jamar Chase to 30 yards. Is that something?
SPEAKER_07:It was is that an achievement? Not really.
SPEAKER_11:He was so frustrated. He spit on he spit on Jalen Ramsey.
SPEAKER_07:Fuck Jalen Ramsey.
SPEAKER_11:And got himself suspended for this game. Where he now can't help Joe Burrow out for this game.
SPEAKER_07:All the Bengals receivers hate Ramsey. AJ Green whooped his ass.
SPEAKER_11:I'm just saying, you talk about how Jamar Chase is unstoppable. We can't stop him. We stopped him at that.
SPEAKER_07:Who was the quarterback? Joe Flacco. Oh, I'm sorry. Was the nigga at the helm named Joe motherfucking Burrow? No. Okay, so you lost to Joe Flacco.
SPEAKER_11:Yes, we did.
SPEAKER_07:A defense who literally cannot tackle.
SPEAKER_11:We didn't. The defense wasn't a part wasn't the issue.
SPEAKER_08:Uh-huh. Oh, the defense- my defense was not the issue.
SPEAKER_11:No, it wasn't. It was your offense I was using when we lost to you.
SPEAKER_10:31. It was 34-31. It literally came down to who had the ball last and it was you.
SPEAKER_07:I'm going to slap you. I'm sorry. It was not you.
SPEAKER_10:It was Joe Fluka.
SPEAKER_07:Not Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_07:If it was Joe Burrow, you wouldn't even got close.
SPEAKER_11:We'll never know.
SPEAKER_07:No, we know.
SPEAKER_11:We'll never know for this year.
SPEAKER_07:So what's the matter? Your team's going to continue to be mediocre.
SPEAKER_11:We were starting to talk about Joe Burrow, and then you got us off track.
SPEAKER_07:Fuck you. You got us off track. Your team's going to continue to be mediocre regardless.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I totally agree. I don't want them to win. I don't want the Steelers to win. You say some bullshit and then it makes me get all competitive again.
SPEAKER_07:You beat Joe Flacco. You did not beat Joe Burrow. Yes. So you beat the Bengals not at their best. You put up 34. You were in a close game against a team where no one's had a close game against. What did you do that was impressive?
SPEAKER_11:What do you mean? They had a close game against the Bears and you guys lost to them?
SPEAKER_07:Nigga, that's the Bears. 47-42. Nigga, that's the Bears.
SPEAKER_11:What do you mean, that's the Bears?
SPEAKER_07:The Bears are currently one of the top teams in the NFL.
SPEAKER_11:You lost to the Jets 39-38.
SPEAKER_07:Again. So how does that make it impressive that you beat us?
SPEAKER_11:No, you just said you've been losing to not you've been losing in a not close way. You've been losing close games.
SPEAKER_07:No.
SPEAKER_11:I was proving the point that you have been losing close games.
SPEAKER_07:No, we're not losing close games. There's no the game is not close. A close game is when a the teams are equally matched. I would put my fucking ball sack on the line that my defense is not getting a stop.
SPEAKER_09:True.
SPEAKER_07:So they're not close matched. I'm just waiting for the inevitable. I'm bleeding out slowly. Death is coming. I just have to wait till the fourth quarter.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, I'm gonna watch another one be given up, another one be given up. Real quick. We played the Jets without Garrett Wilson on the field, and we still fucking lost. Yeah. These are not these games are not close by any means. Okay. Who ha who is leading receivers in that Jets game? For the Bengals? No, no, no, no, no, no. To the Jets. Who's the leading receiver?
SPEAKER_11:Tyler Johnson.
SPEAKER_07:Who the fuck is that?
SPEAKER_11:You're you're telling me.
SPEAKER_07:Oh. How many yards do you have?
SPEAKER_11:68.
SPEAKER_07:Garrett Wilson had 180. Yeah. So we didn't lose to the Jets at the best. In the Bears.
SPEAKER_11:Hey, that was a normal one. Uh Colson Loveland was the leading receiver. The tight end. 118 yards. Yeah, at tracks.
SPEAKER_07:How many touchdowns? Two. Yeah. Yeah, at tracks.
SPEAKER_11:They also ran with 170 yards.
SPEAKER_07:And that was DeAndre Swift?
SPEAKER_11:Nope. Kyle Manungay.
SPEAKER_07:Who the fuck is that?
SPEAKER_11:They drafted him out of Ruckers.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, I do know who that is, actually.
SPEAKER_11:He was actually really good at records. I do know who that is. I do. He's a bowling ball.
SPEAKER_07:He's hard to hard to bring down. We're not good at that, so he wouldn't have to worry. Oh, my bad. He didn't have to worry.
SPEAKER_11:True.
SPEAKER_07:So none of these teams played Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_11:Right.
SPEAKER_07:None of these teams would have beat us if we had Joe Burrow. No, I'm lying.
SPEAKER_11:That's what I'm saying. So you had like this is the same team as last year. No, it's worse. Sorry, without Joe Burrow. No, no. Those teams worse. The defense is worse. Joe Burrow. The defense is worse, for sure. We have the worst defense in the NFL. But like your defense was your biggest enemy last year, and you guys didn't get to the playoffs because of it, and Joe Burrow played all year. So this year's going to be would have been more of the same even with Joe Burrow. You probably have more wins on your record, but like at the end of the day, you know your season's going to end with your defense not getting the stop they need.
SPEAKER_07:We're either going to net end fucking 9-8, or we're going to end 10-7, make the playoffs, and probably get bounced first round. Or we won't get bounced first round and beat whatever fucking shitty ass AFC North team we have to play.
SPEAKER_09:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Which either you were the fucking Ravens. And one of you's shitting the bed here. One of you's shitting the bed. And it's probably going to be the Ravens. Yeah. Because that Ravens defense ain't even that fucking good.
SPEAKER_11:So the rest of your schedule. Joe Burrow's back. You won't have Jamar Chase this week because he spit on Ramsey.
SPEAKER_07:It's alright. Chris Gonzalez will lock his ass up anyway. That's kind of true. Christian.
SPEAKER_11:He's a monster. He's so good. T.
SPEAKER_07:Higgins is fucking amazing. Yeah. But T. Higgins and fucking Ilias Hovis is going to be our next best guy. Yeah, unfortunately. I don't know. And he Ilias Hovis is good. But he's a three. He's a three.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_07:He's a great three. He's a great red zone threat. He's great at what he what he is good at. He's good at you're going to end up with like two to four like three to four hundred guards every year. Yeah. Probably like nine touchdowns.
SPEAKER_11:Probably not that many.
SPEAKER_07:Well, again.
SPEAKER_11:Like three or four.
SPEAKER_07:Joe Bro really loves tight ends. But before we had a good tight end, he was ended up with like six or seven. True.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Okay. Now that we have three good tight ends, he's not ending up with as many. But again, you ended up with four with four touchdowns. You're probably going to get a couple more contracts from the Bengals. Because you're cheap. You're cheap. You're real fucking cheap. We're not paying you more than ten. That's guaranteed fucking team.
SPEAKER_11:So these are these are the rest of your schedule. Now thinking about now having Joe Burrow, right? Patriots. No chase, probably an L, right?
SPEAKER_07:Have you seen somebody stop Drevant Henderson yet?
SPEAKER_11:No. Especially as they've they've been giving him actual top giving him chances to run the football. I swear to God, he's unstoppable.
SPEAKER_07:Mike Vrabel was just sitting around. He was like, you know what be funny? Let's leave our most explosive guy on the bench. Go stay and two. They didn't use him. We're gonna go seven and two and we're gonna throw this motherfucker out in the field. And they go see some funny shit.
SPEAKER_11:It's insane. Like that's what makes me so upset about the Patriots. It's like they're only getting better because they're they're young offensive players that are probably their best players are now finally starting to get run and they're actually gonna have more fresh legs. Because they haven't been used all year.
SPEAKER_07:I don't think Ray War expected them to be this good. I think he expected them to be kind of bad, so he wasn't, you know, I'm not gonna throw the rookies out there just to get them beat up.
SPEAKER_11:And then Drake May turns into a little Josh Allen.
SPEAKER_07:Prime Josh fucking Allen without the interceptions uh and decides I might as well start throwing out.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, he likes to throw interceptions. True. He does like to throw them. But it's better than Josh Allen. But it's not that bad. The interceptions aren't that bad. Fuck Josh Allen.
unknown:I fucking hate Josh Allen.
SPEAKER_11:Um so Eld of the Patriots. Oh, yeah, guaranteed. At the Ravens. See, that's the thing. You're gonna give yourself a chance. You're gonna give yourself a chance.
SPEAKER_05:Defense is fucking mid. They're mid. They're mid as fuck. They're mid as fuck. But my off my defense.
SPEAKER_11:Sunday night football. In Baltimore. Yeah. That's two L's. At Buffalo.
SPEAKER_01:That's a win.
SPEAKER_11:Even though Josh Allen won't have to worry about your defense at all.
SPEAKER_05:That's a win.
SPEAKER_11:Like you don't have the Houston defense what they did to him last night. That's a win. Okay, alright. You're just going off the the the Joe Burrow uh the Joe Burrow aura, right? That's that's it. What else do you mean? Ravens again.
SPEAKER_04:We're the same team. We're just now just netting a loss.
SPEAKER_11:At Dolphins. That's a win. I'll give you that. Probably a win. Cardinals. I don't know. Marvin will be back by then.
SPEAKER_07:So who on that Cardinals defense?
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, but you won't be able to run the football at all. And they'll actually they actually have a pass rush.
SPEAKER_07:Jamar Chase is open downfield.
SPEAKER_11:Okay. Alright, so by then you're gonna be all Joe Burrowed out. It'll be the Cardinals.
SPEAKER_07:I believe we can beat the Cardinals.
SPEAKER_11:And then Browns, last game of the year.
SPEAKER_07:Dog walked.
SPEAKER_11:They'll have Shador, though. They'll be so much better. Dog walked. Shador Sanders for the fucking Browns shit is the most annoying thing ever because he's always a victim.
SPEAKER_10:He's always like, oh, they're doing it to Shador again. He got he had to go out there as a second string quarterback because Dylan Gabriel got hurt. He didn't get any of the first team snaps. Whee, way, weh. It's all the Browns' fault. He should be the starting quarterback.
SPEAKER_11:I get it. He shouldn't have been a seventh-round pick, sixth-round pick. He should not have been drafted that late. I get it. He was a better quarterback than that. But I also think that he's not a starting NFL quarterback, and people are gonna keep giving him excuses for the rest of his career as to why he doesn't work out because everybody loves his father. And it's it gets it gets very annoying. And it's it sucks because it's to the point where I don't even I don't even think it's Shador's fault. I just feel like everybody wants to give him an excuse. I don't think Shador's taking the excuses. He's not saying that himself. It's just every time anybody talks about him is like, oh, if they only gave him a chance and everybody's looking for a reason to give him an out, and I'm like, give him an opportunity. If he hits it, he hits it. If he takes advantage, he takes advantage. If not, he's gonna be a career backup or not in the league anymore. If his last name was not Sanders, nobody would be on it like this. And that's what annoys me.
unknown:I agree.
SPEAKER_11:And he played for a very bad freaking Colorado team, and then he had to throw. Guess what? There's been a bunch of Big 12 quarterbacks that have a whole bunch of stats that did nothing in the NFL for the last 20 years. And nobody complained then, but now Shador's the one, that's the one that they decided, like, oh, he's gonna be the one that can succeed because his last name is Sanders. It's not that fucking easy.
SPEAKER_01:What's a good one? Case Keenum.
SPEAKER_11:Case Keenum was awesome in college, like, and he's been a career backup. Yeah, but he's had a few great seasons, but he's been a career backup. That was the one I thought of.
SPEAKER_07:I think he has he is the I think he has the most passing yards for a college quarterback.
SPEAKER_11:What quarterback do you know of that's like the most successful Big 12 quarterback as of recently?
SPEAKER_07:Bro, you think I can name a Big 12 quarterback?
SPEAKER_11:I have one. It's Brock fucking Purdy, and even he is an up and down machine. And he played at Iowa State. Like, so any other Big 12 quarterback. Oh, sorry, Mahomes. My bad. It's cheating. He played at Texas Tech.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_11:He didn't do shit in college, though.
unknown:No, he was mad.
SPEAKER_11:Like he threw a full lot of yards, but he didn't do a lot of winning. But like, other than him, there really isn't nobody else.
SPEAKER_01:I keep thinking of Boston College quarterbacks.
SPEAKER_11:That's ACC.
SPEAKER_01:I thought it was like Matt Ryan. I was like, Boston College.
SPEAKER_11:There's no Texas quarterbacks that have really done shit in the NFL as of recently. Nobody from Oklahoma. Even though they're both part of the SCC now, but like we're talking about the recent history.
SPEAKER_01:Was Baker a part of the SCC?
SPEAKER_11:Oh yeah, Baker. My bad. Baker. That's on me. That's on me. Kyler Murray. Take that. He he started at O he went to Oklahoma. Oh, sorry, he had to see he started at like somewhere else, then you ended up going to Oklahoma. So yeah, for sure. Kyler, Kyler Murray. First time, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Go ahead. I feel like I can name some more.
SPEAKER_11:Um let's see. Big 12, Oklahoma State. Nothing. Mason Rudolph is who I can think of. Um Oklahoma State. Uh Oregon State. Nope, that was that's Pac-12. Um no, Oregon State. No, yeah, Oregon State is back 12. Um, who else? From Texas. Baylor. RG3.
SPEAKER_01:That's it. Sorry.
SPEAKER_11:Arizona State. Nothing. Nah. Or were they part of the they might have been a part of the Pac-12.
SPEAKER_01:What what was it?
SPEAKER_11:Arizona and Arizona State. They were both part of Pac-12.
SPEAKER_01:They were definitely part of the Pac-12.
SPEAKER_11:Um, I'm just thinking of states down there, and I'm just going off of that. Baylor.
SPEAKER_07:You said Arizona State, and my brain went Blake Griffin.
SPEAKER_11:Texas Tech, or you mentioned them because they have Pat. Um, Johnny Manzo. And no, he was part of the SEC. Don't even know what school he went to. Texas AM.
SPEAKER_07:They all have the same logo.
SPEAKER_11:Um, who else? Because they were a part of the pet they will, I'll give you, I'll give you that. They were a part of the Big 12 up until like 10, 15 years ago, and then they switched to the SEC. Um Johnny Manzell. No, Johnny Manzell, he was a he was a SEC player.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, then your timeline's alright. So it would have been longer ago that they joined the SEC. Because 10 or 15 years ago, Johnny Manzel was also.
SPEAKER_01:Johnny Manzell's like 10 years ago. When when was he drafted?
SPEAKER_11:He was drafted in like 2012.
SPEAKER_01:That would have been a guy was 14 years ago. If 2016 was 10 years ago, 2012 was 14 years ago.
SPEAKER_11:I'm gonna get you a year, so chill out.
SPEAKER_10:2012.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, no means he was a part of the thing. If he was drafted in 2012.
SPEAKER_11:He was drafted later than that. I had a wrong year.
SPEAKER_07:He was drafted in 2014.
SPEAKER_02:And was Johnny Man's always drafted in like Hold on, 2013.
SPEAKER_11:Because he joined the Browns in 2014.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, cool. That still means he played as freshman year in the fucking Big 12.
SPEAKER_11:No, it was in the SEC. That's what he won as a fresh he won the Eisman as a freshman in the SEC.
SPEAKER_07:Okay. Was he a redshirt freshman?
SPEAKER_11:Yes.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, cool. So that means when do what year did he win that? Because the numbers ain't add enough.
SPEAKER_11:He won the Heisman in 2012. So literally the first year that they were in the SEC, he he was this quarterback.
SPEAKER_01:What was your classman again?
SPEAKER_11:2014.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, he was in college for three years.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:My bad. My apologies, bro, bro.
SPEAKER_11:The only thing I had wrong in that is the saying 10-15 years, because again, that's like right in a middling, like very close. But yes. Where did we get to the Johnny Man? Oh, we were talking about quarterbacks 1512.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, my bad. And there was a lot more than anticipated.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, a lot more. Making a lie, for sure. That's on me. Um, where were we at? We were talking about Burrow and doing all that. I don't know at this point. So I just getting back to the Burrow point, you think there's not no point in bringing them out. I totally agree with that. I'd bring it, I totally agree with the idea that. Because if he wins you a few games, that'll be games that you should have lost and it'll help you get a good draft pick.
SPEAKER_07:Better draft pick, which we can get you in better offensive linemen.
SPEAKER_11:Um better all linemen, better defensive player.
SPEAKER_07:This is the only other thing I'm struggling on is are we going to pay go draft a great offensive lineman or are we going to go draft a fucking defensive cornerstone? Because I'm gonna find which Mar Stewart lives and burn his fucking house down. You held out for what? You held out because you knew you were ass. You you held out because you knew you were. Bad.
SPEAKER_11:Hey, he's like, I'm gonna have to get all the money I can right now because they're um they're not gonna give it to me here soon.
SPEAKER_07:Um that had all the stats? He had like 13 sacks, he had like nine sacks over just that one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fextine M. Yeah, yeah. Nine sacks. You know how many sacks he has right now.
SPEAKER_11:Isn't he playing for like he's playing for somebody and playing really well, isn't he? He has like eight or nine sacks, right?
SPEAKER_07:You know you place for it. This nigga has nine sacks. Yeah. He was a second round pick.
SPEAKER_01:What the fuck are we doing?
SPEAKER_07:No, no, no. He was picked the first round by the Rams.
SPEAKER_11:I don't think it was the Rams.
SPEAKER_07:Sounds right.
SPEAKER_11:I feel like it was like the it would have been the 2025 draft. I don't know why I said 2024. I that's what I was thinking too. I think it was the Seahawks. Oh, let me get you, I'll get I'll get his name real quick. Hold on. He said he was a second round pick.
SPEAKER_07:Was he the second or third round pick? Because I think he was picked after. So I remember saying, oh, there's a there's wrong with that.
SPEAKER_02:Shamar Texan M. And then nobody else in the first round. Must have been a second round then. And um Texas. Nick Scorton.
SPEAKER_11:That was the other guy. For Panthers. Oh no, Shamar Turner. Or you're talking about that. He's a D-tackle, though. So if you're talking like another defensive end, it would have been Scorton. For the Panthers. Yeah, Shamar Turner went to the Bears.
SPEAKER_07:They're both playing better than he is.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, for sure. I totally agree with that. No, I get what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01:But I just there were so many first-round O-line drafts that are all doing pretty great.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, no, I totally agree. You had your opportunity to do it last year, you didn't do it.
SPEAKER_01:He's doing pretty good.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. Heck, the Texans drafted a guy in the second round. Again, their offensive line took half the year to start playing better, but he's starting to do last night was the first time he had not played a snap because he had been playing all season long.
SPEAKER_07:The fucking defensive tackle you took, that motherfucker's a beast. He is going to cornerstone your defense for years to come.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, for sure. Cam Award leaves, we have another guy right away. So I get I get everything. I totally agree, honestly. I just it's it's Joe Burrow's competitiveness that's gonna keep him from not playing.
SPEAKER_07:There is no one else to pick besides Caleb Downs.
SPEAKER_09:No, I get what you're saying.
SPEAKER_07:There's literally no time. If we are a top, we are top five. Let's say we end up at four. I want Caleb Downs, and you better go grab one of those other two linebackers. I don't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, you want one of those two?
SPEAKER_07:I want one of those two. It'll probably be Sonny Styles because he'll be more likely to follow the second round.
SPEAKER_11:Nope. He's not falling. Because everybody wants to like he's gonna destroy the draft process because he started as a safety.
SPEAKER_07:That's my only fear. Is this motherfucker's about to run a fucking 4-4? Yes. He's about to have a crazy vertical. Yes. He's about to have a goddamn crazy ass longboard. That's my only worry, is that he's about to be like a top 15 pick.
SPEAKER_11:And he's turned himself into a really good linebacker. Again, he may not, he may not be our best linebacker because we have a Arvo Reese's an absolute alien.
SPEAKER_07:See, he's the one that there's no chance we're getting. He's going to be saying he might be a top three pick. That's that's what I'm saying. He there's no chance.
SPEAKER_11:But again, if we just end up in the top five, yeah, you have a chance at one of the Ohio State guys if you want them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:But with Joe Burr playing, we're winning at least two more games.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, and that'll screw you up because there's no other teams are gonna be losing.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. And our niggas don't know how to trade things.
SPEAKER_11:They don't want to. No, of course not.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, cool. Trey Anderson's done a whole lot of not playing because he's like, I'm just gonna wait.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, he's gonna be gone next year anyway. He's like, hey, I might as well be as healthy as I can be for the next team that gets me because they'll pay me.
SPEAKER_07:Guaranteed. Ain't that a bitch? Right, yeah, no question. Gotta love the franchise tag, getting him what, 27 million guaranteed?
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:It sucks. Sometimes we're like, oh man, the franchise tag sucks. And I really think of it, I'm like, damn, that's guaranteed fucking money. I'm like, no wonder Kirk Cousins was okay with playing over that shit.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, yeah, but as a quarterback, it's easier to do so.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, he was getting like$53 million. No, it wasn't that wasn't that much. It was at Washington. He was doing that.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, and it was the money. He was getting like in the 20s. He was but he was getting guaranteed in the 20s. Yeah, for sure. As long as you want to take the the short-term risk, you're gonna get you're gonna get a lot of money in your pocket right away. Yeah, no question. Again, you're a quarterback. That is the only position where you could even think about doing it.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know who's his agent. That motherfucker's a facade.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, yeah, no question.
SPEAKER_07:He that agent deserves.
SPEAKER_11:I don't even want to say the agent because I think to a certain degree, at the end of the day, it's on Kirk Cousins to, it's on whatever player it is to make that decision of whether they're willing to take that risk out there on the field. Because again, nobody can answer for you when you're out there on the football field and you have to go out there and play.
SPEAKER_07:I know, but could you tell me why Kirk Cousins almost made like I think he's made like$350 million in the NFL?
SPEAKER_11:Because he is a shrewd businessman. He might be a better businessman, businessman than player. But you know what's funny? He's gonna be playing for the Falcons for the rest of the year because oh boy. Michael Panics. Another another knee injury.
SPEAKER_07:It's his third ATO.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. It's insane.
SPEAKER_07:Three?
SPEAKER_11:The Falcons are gonna really have to make some decisions because without like again, he can come back healthier.
SPEAKER_07:Maybe, but if I'm them, how many games have you lost?
SPEAKER_11:Who the Falcons? I think they have like five or six losses at this point.
SPEAKER_07:If I'm them, I'm sitting back like, damn, I'm gonna have to.
SPEAKER_11:They're three and seven.
SPEAKER_07:Dude, so what you're talking you're ending up top five.
SPEAKER_11:They don't have a draw, they don't have a top ten pick. They traded, could remember because they they drafted a defensive end and then they traded up from the second round to get back into the first round to go get another defensive end. So they only have a first round pick this year. But again, it's not like the quarterback class is actually any good because all the quarterbacks are shit. Except for like one or two.
SPEAKER_01:Who those one and two?
SPEAKER_11:There's Mendoza, the guy from Indiana, Indiana that's played in Coswell for like six years. 48 years old. He's so old. He's played so much football.
SPEAKER_07:I sat here watching. It's okay, right? Nowadays, like a lot of college players are younger than I am. Or around my age, right? A lot of college players are probably close to my age.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Like, yeah, he's 25 years old.
SPEAKER_11:I'm like, he's not that old.
SPEAKER_07:Go ahead and pull that shit up. Pull that shit up.
SPEAKER_02:How old is uh Fernando Mendoza?
SPEAKER_11:I think he's like 24. He's 22. He's born in 03. October of 03.
SPEAKER_07:We're the same age.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:How long has he been in college ball? He went to he had to go early.
SPEAKER_11:Um, he's played no, because he played it I'm not sure where he played it before. Like Tulane? Not Tulane. Oh no, Cal. He was at Cal before and then he transferred to this is last year. This is his fourth year of college football. So no, we're good. He's at Indiana. His last year. He's gone. He's gone after this year. Actually, they said he might have one more year because of an injury thing. So he could play a fifth year of college football if he wanted to, but he's probably gonna be a I think he's guaranteed to be a first round pick. And then the other guy, they're saying if Dante Moore comes out, he might be picked in the first round. But I I think everybody is saying that he's he's not gonna stay for another year. And then everybody oh, everybody's talking about um the guy from South Carolina, who's like the athletic freak. Uh Lenora Sellers. That's who it is. Those those are the two that everybody's saying are probably gonna be first round picks, but all the other quarterbacks are kind of S. So there's really nobody that you can really get unless you're a top five pick.
SPEAKER_01:Because I think if we are like a top five pick, you just fleece somebody that's a little lower than us.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, for sure. You can flee somebody, or you can go take a defensive player, or you have a whole bunch of options. But I just think Joe Burrow's gonna play you out of that because he's gonna bring that Joe Burrow aura and he's gonna win you a few games that you probably don't want to win now. And but here's the thing: the more it goes, because you're you're very so we've we've gone so far away from the plot, but you know, it's fun, it's what we do. You're gonna be very mad about it this weekend. And like I told you before when it first happened, I'm like, hey, if Joe Burrow really does come out and pull off the upset against New England and you didn't watch it, you're gonna be pissed that you didn't watch it. And then you're gonna go into another week and you might be a little still a little mad, and then you're gonna be like, oh, I guess I'll have to watch a little bit of it. And then you're gonna see that number nine on the football field, and you're not gonna be able to help yourself.
SPEAKER_07:Hey, real quick.
SPEAKER_11:I have Joe Bro wears nine, right? Yes. Okay, I made sure. I I said nine.
SPEAKER_07:I had Malia hide my jersey. Um my girlfriend. Uh, I had her hide the jersey.
SPEAKER_11:Um I'm just saying, the more this, the longer this goes, you're gonna get more and more sucked back into it. And don't let him give you a chance, and not only him, but don't let the Ravens and the Steelers and the Bengals kind of like kind of make a scenario where you think you have a chance to make the playoffs because you're gonna be back in it before you know it. If that starts to happen, I don't think it will. I think either either the Ravens are gonna figure it out or the Steelers are gonna hang on. And I do think your bank your defense is gonna be bad enough to where it's gonna ruin. I think so too. Which is not good for me either. I want the Steelers to lose too. We need to hit the reset button. We just need to come on, we just swap take the pill and and lose for a little bit. Yeah, no, I get it. But they're not going to. It's just not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_07:So I can't legit. I'm going to turn off all notifications for the game. You're gonna do it. I might I made sure my tablet's not charged.
SPEAKER_11:But you're gonna but here's the thing, you're gonna podcast with me every week, and I'm gonna look at you and say, hey, Joe Burrow's looking pretty good.
SPEAKER_07:That's great. I knew he would.
SPEAKER_11:He's he's looking at like, oh, or oh, they want another game, Jace. I think there might be a chance.
SPEAKER_07:And I'm gonna pray every day. Let me go sit down.
SPEAKER_11:But there's there may not be a patch of Mahomes. And you're just gonna you're gonna get more and more, you're gonna buy in. Mahomes or no Mahomes. We wouldn't have to be able to get the money. You're gonna buy in. You're gonna buy in. That's not true. You have a good record against Mahomes, but it's not perfect.
SPEAKER_07:We have the best record against Mahomes.
SPEAKER_11:But you still have losses. Don't do that.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, I'm sorry. How many times Josh Allen beat him? Fuck out my face.
SPEAKER_11:In the playoffs, none.
SPEAKER_07:Oh.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_07:We're five and three against him in the regular season. That's also better than the Bills. Fuck out my face.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_09:All right.
SPEAKER_11:Okay.
SPEAKER_07:Josh Allen ain't even sniffed an AFC championship.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, alright. So so you so without a doubt, you are not gonna watch the Bengals the rest of the year. No matter how good Joe Burrow does, no matter how close. I just want I just want you to say this on the record because a few weeks from now, you'll be back in. You'll be like, oh, see what Joe Burrow did yesterday? Oh my god. And I'll be like, yeah, I know. I'll watch the highlights afterwards. See, that's cheating.
SPEAKER_07:It's not cheating.
SPEAKER_11:You just don't want to watch it live. No.
SPEAKER_07:Without a shadow of that, I will not watch that game live. Oh, like look at the stats, see how but he did. I'm not watching the game. I refuse. I can't. I can't do it no more. I can't do it no more. I cannot do it anymore. I am so tired of the Bengals. The Bengals need to know you guys are fucking this up. You are fucking up. Joe Burrow is a generational quarterback. He is a generational quarterback. The other two quarterbacks that were drafted in his class aren't even as close to good as he is. Justin Herbert and two a tongue of a law.
SPEAKER_11:Herbert's good of a talent, but he just he doesn't know how to do it on the side of the side. Was it second or third year?
SPEAKER_07:It was his second fucking year.
SPEAKER_02:It was more than that.
SPEAKER_07:No, it was not. We drafted Jamar Chase the year after because Justin Jefferson got drafted the year before, same class as Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_09:Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_07:Second fucking year, we're in the goddamn Super Bowl. The third fucking year, we're in the goddamn AFC Championship. You know what happened after that third year? You didn't pan your defensive players. They all left. Yeah, for sure. Jesse Bates, the all-pro fucking safety, who legitimately was the cornerstone of our defense. Oh, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_11:And then you continue to piss Hendrickson off until he doesn't want to play with you anymore. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:And then you stopped drafting as well.
SPEAKER_11:And then somehow Eli Apple left the team and you got worse.
SPEAKER_07:Dude! And then it it fun fact. We fired our GM.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, he fired defensive coordinator too. You have to add that in there too.
SPEAKER_07:After 2020, he got fired. Just I need you to I need to point that out. That 20 minute draft class was the our last draft class that was really fucking good. We got Joe Burrow, T. Higgins, um Logan Wilson, uh Cam Taylor Bray, a couple other really impactful players, right? We drafted Dax Hill the next year.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_07:No, the year after that. It was Jamar Chase. Then my bad. It was Miles Murphy.
SPEAKER_11:Nope. No, he was the first round pick.
SPEAKER_07:Pick 31.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Then Dax Hill.
SPEAKER_11:Shamar Stewart.
SPEAKER_07:Nope. Marius Mims.
SPEAKER_11:Oh yeah. Which is fine. He's working out.
SPEAKER_07:Yes. And then Shamar Stewart.
SPEAKER_11:Not as a left tackle like you want him to want him to be, though.
SPEAKER_07:And that's fine. Real quick. Not necessarily. When the Bengals online is as bad as it is, I'm okay with just somebody working.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, but you still need a left tackle. Like Orlando Brown is like falling off cliffs.
SPEAKER_07:That's the problem. Is we got him back when he was like 29.
SPEAKER_09:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Now he's 34. He's getting older. He's not as quick.
SPEAKER_09:Right.
SPEAKER_07:And it's starting to show because he's the one that led up the sack.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:But again, we draft somebody that worked. He's just worked out. He's working out in a way. So you have to accept that. Even if it's not how you want it to be.
SPEAKER_11:He is now. He's actually playing decently.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, that's great. We drafted another athletic specimen, which is what Miles Murphy was. He was an athletic freak. He had no stats on the field.
SPEAKER_11:He did have he did have even more stats than Stuart. Which is not a high bar.
SPEAKER_07:Real quick. More than zero. It's just not a high bar.
SPEAKER_11:Not a high bar.
SPEAKER_07:And then Daxo, who this nigga benefited from cheating because he knew the play.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:I know the play. What do I have to worry about? No question. Um but again, those are pick 31 and 30. They were low picks. Mims, I think, was 15. But again, for what he's turned out to be, I'm okay with that. That's fine. That's a that's a dub. That's fine. That's fine.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:GM needs fired again. Yeah. But again, all the players.
SPEAKER_11:GM meets fired, coach needs fired.
SPEAKER_07:Yes, the defensive players that we're having a problem with, Luan and Aruma knew how to use properly.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Cam Taylor Brett only started getting worse after Luin Aruma was fired.
SPEAKER_11:And Luan Arumo's killing it with the with the Colts.
SPEAKER_07:He knew how to send it to the city.
SPEAKER_11:He knows how to coach. And I don't think your defensive coordinator is bad now. I really don't. I don't I think he's a good defensive coordinator.
SPEAKER_07:There's nothing now. Battle is great. He's a great player. I think he's a very, very good player. He's just, you know.
SPEAKER_11:Brandon Knight's young. The other the your linebackers are young, but they're talented. But they just don't know where to go. They're just not where they need to be at all times.
SPEAKER_07:Lovely was downfield several fucking times, and one of them niggas was always chasing.
SPEAKER_11:That that is the one problem I have with Battle because Battle did have a chance to make that tackle. He didn't make it. And that was the game-winning touchdown. Even though they still had a chance to go down the field and get the field goal to win the game anyway. But still, like not making that tackle made it that much worse.
SPEAKER_07:But again, we're not drafting well.
SPEAKER_11:No.
SPEAKER_07:And it's really hard to fuck up a top five pick.
SPEAKER_11:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Just don't pick a Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson. Right.
SPEAKER_11:As long as you don't mess up a quarterback, you're going to get a really good player at the top five pick.
SPEAKER_07:We're not picking a fucking quarterback.
SPEAKER_11:Exactly.
SPEAKER_07:So it is almost impossible to fucking pick up.
SPEAKER_11:Either trade the pick for somebody that's stupid or pick for a fucking haul for somebody who wants a quarterback. Or go just sit and take a take somebody.
SPEAKER_07:And with that, you're going to have an early second-round pick.
SPEAKER_11:As long as they're not a wide receiver.
SPEAKER_07:You don't fucking need one. But that early second round pick, take another defensive player. That early second round pick is a great pick. Take a fucking DB.
SPEAKER_11:You literally should go all defense. Or offensive line.
SPEAKER_07:With that first round pick, needs to be a defensive player. That second round pick should probably be an online.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. The thing is with offensive linemen, there's like huge drop-off between first round and second round picks. So like if there's a no-doubt offensive lineman in the top ten, you should probably take him.
SPEAKER_07:I agreed, but with that second round pick, I'm more leaning to like, hey, go find a really good fucking center. Our center is so fucking bad that it makes me want to cry.
SPEAKER_11:You shouldn't use a second round pick on a center.
SPEAKER_07:Then go find a guard.
SPEAKER_11:A guard or anything else. Anything.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah. And then with the rest of the picks in the NFL draft.
SPEAKER_11:Defense, defense, defense.
SPEAKER_07:I just need defense. Our defensive line is fine. They're fine. There's nothing overtly wrong with them. You need a cornerstone now. You need a real defensive end. The passer. When the years where we just had Sam Hubbard, he could do that. He could get after him. He was not a superstar. The best he was going to give you was a left. Right, for sure. And that's fine. But then like connected to Sam Hubbard. But that's your superstar. His numbers go down to right around eight or nine. But now you're there's somebody getting after it. There's somebody going in.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It was Gino Atkins.
SPEAKER_07:Eight years ago.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Geno Atkins been out of the league long enough. There's niggas up for all of eight. Please. Drive somebody.
SPEAKER_11:Look, I get it.
SPEAKER_07:Defensive tackles are not hard to come by.
SPEAKER_11:Just take the biggest, freakiest guy you can probably get, and you'll be fine. Yeah, because they don't have to do a lot, they'd have stopped the run. Oh man, later they can be great run stuffers, it's a good start. You know what's crazy? That actually wouldn't be a terrible idea. He'd be amazing. Because he does not have the get off of a defensive line.
SPEAKER_07:He's not fast enough. He's too slow. He had everything. I went back and looked at it because I was just wondering what the fuck would make him so fucking bad. His 40 was shitty.
SPEAKER_01:I started looking at Miles Gary. I was like, this nigga ran a 4-6. I was like, too. Oh. I see the problem.
SPEAKER_07:You're slow.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_07:That's your problem. You're slow. You can't get off fast enough for the whole lineman. The whole lineman's faster than you. No. Maybe this week we could put his eyes to the left side.
SPEAKER_01:You're bigger than Will Campbell.
SPEAKER_11:And I will Campbell's good enough to where you're not going to be able to do it with just like you have to be able to have some speed. You have to have something that you're going to overpower him with. And I just don't think he has it. I just don't. I get it. I get it.
SPEAKER_07:If you don't fucking stuff his little bitch. But Campbell does have quick feet though. Like that's not that's not his issue. That's great. You were strong as fuck. You was big as fuck. This is the game where I better see a goddamn sack. You better shove your guy with your hand straight into his face.
SPEAKER_11:But that's the point. Because even if you get past him, Drake May's running away. Yeah, there's no one on the inside that you do.
SPEAKER_07:You're right. Miles Murphy's gotten better.
SPEAKER_11:He hasn't been terrible. He hasn't. He's been playing.
SPEAKER_07:Not terrible in this Bengals offense. Is not a starter anywhere else.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, yeah, no question. No question. Alright. Moral of the story. You don't want the Bengals to win anymore. You want Joe Burrow to not even play. You want him just to be ready for next year. That's not going to happen. Just like I know the Steelers aren't going to waste the rest of their season and go get it right, exactly, and lose the first round of the playoffs. That's exactly what's going to happen. But uh but that's it. Let's that's it for the story. And let's go ahead and get into the games now. Even though with all those, all that going awry, we're still only at an hour 20. Not even that bad. We're actually making good time.
SPEAKER_07:You ready for game picks?
SPEAKER_11:Oh, Buffalo Houston. We had to set up a react to that game last night. Very good game. Josh Allen got sacked eight times last night, which is the record for the most times Josh Allen's been sacked in a football game. That Houston defense is absolutely scary. They're so good. The only thing that really worked for Buffalo for the most part in this game was running the football. Cook did find 116 yards rushing off 17 carries and a touchdown. And Josh Allen, he they threw for yards, but it was empty calories because they couldn't get enough points throughout the game, especially at the end. That Texans' defense is absolutely scary. They get after you. Their defensive line is absolutely insane. And even though they don't when they weren't letting up on Buffalo for like just trying to not let them get the big play over top, they make all of the windows very small. And they every time Josh Allen felt like he wanted to breathe in the pocket, there was somebody in his lap ready to take take him down. Here's the thing. I was such a believer in Houston earlier on in the year, and they burned me so many times. And then CJ got hurt, so then I was like, I even though I wanted to pick Houston, but I didn't want to be the stupid person that picked Houston and then they lost to Buffalo and Josh Allen because then you look just like an idiot. So I I would I am very happy to be wrong about Houston winning that game. I really am because I really like Houston, I really like CJ Stroud, and I think hopefully CJ will be able to play next week. But Davis Mills played fine. 153 yards, 16 of 30. You know, I wouldn't say fine. First half, he was absolutely terrible. He missed like three or four different times wide receivers for touchdowns. All he had to do was throw it on their numbers, and he would have gotten it, and he didn't do so. Um Woody Marks, their running back, is actually turning into a decent back that can get some really tough yardage for them. Nico Collins did exactly what he needed to do. Christian Kirk had a great game, five catches, 54 yards. Jaden Higgins, the guy they drafted in the second round to be their guy opposite of Nico, four catches, 38 yards, and a touchdown. He's like turning into a guy that can play very well. And this is with Davis Mills, who really can't hit a pass all the time like he needs to. Once they get CJ back in there, if they can just they've been showing the offensive line that they can do a little bit better protecting him, throw CJ in there. I think this might be a team that can really take off and make the playoffs. I really do. Because that defense is insane. Defense is absolutely insane. And I love watching what they did to Josh Allen last night. He looks so I don't think I've ever watched Josh Allen be that uncomfortable because of what the defense was doing. When he's throwing picks, when he's doing it to himself, that's one thing. But you could too, you could you could truly set say that Houston made him feel uncomfortable. So so a lot of credit to Houston. That defense is insane. Oh, and by the way, those those uniforms, that all red uniform that they have with the with the helmet, might be one of my favorite uniforms in the league.
SPEAKER_07:That is the best uniform. That thing is still. I don't know. The Bengals cocaine white is really nice. Bengals cocaine white's very good.
SPEAKER_11:But that that Houston uniform last night, all red, was awesome. I really liked it. Fuck these games are nasty. Alright, that's the only you don't have anything else in that game, Chase? Let's go ahead and start talking about games then.
SPEAKER_07:Why are three of these games? Cleveland, Las Vegas, Jacksonville, Arizona, and fucking Atlanta at New Orleans.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. You're telling me.
SPEAKER_07:Alright, first game, you got Pittsburgh at Chicago. I'm taking Chicago.
SPEAKER_11:See, this is the problem. Pittsburgh wins the game last week in a good way. Makes me feel some confidence, and then I want to go ahead and pick Pittsburgh in this game. By all means. I'll take Pittsburgh. I'm going to get hurt.
SPEAKER_07:Or you won't. It's going to hurt me.
SPEAKER_11:It probably will. But, you know, they played very well. If the defense keeps playing, keeps playing it like they did last week. I think they can really get after Caleb Williams. And I really do think they can make some, like really do some things. But you know, I'm willing to be hurt again. Why not? I'm a sucker for it every single goddamn time. And on top of that, Chicago, even though they run the football very well, I think the Steelers have been showing they're doing a lot better against the run. And if they don't have a run game that they can rely on in Chicago, they have to rely a lot more on Caleb Williams, and that has not gone well for them this year. So even though Caleb has done well when they've asked him to throw, but it's just when they they haven't through thrown all of it on his plate. They might. I don't think he's been back. I think he's shown he can be a starter in the NFL. I just don't know if he's Chicago wants at this point. They want a superstar. I don't think he's that. I don't think he's gonna be a superstar. But again, sometimes it takes a little while for it to cook in the oven to kind of bake and come come together, but I just don't think that's the case. I'll take Pittsburgh. Next game.
SPEAKER_07:New England at Cincinnati. I took New England.
SPEAKER_11:Me too.
SPEAKER_07:I have no reason to trust Cincinnati, especially without Jamar Chase.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, him make. Did you like that he lied right after like he wasn't gonna get caught? I felt like that was a stupid part. Like, just tell the truth. Like, you know there's cameras everywhere in that stadium. There was a camera that was gonna get you spitting on Ramsey. I just felt like it was stupid. You just don't lie. Tell the truth. I I would respect swinging on him a lot more. Spinning's the one universal thing you don't do.
SPEAKER_07:I don't know what the fuck Ramsey does to the Bengals receivers where he pisses them off just enough. He does to everybody. Because real quick, he had Jamar Chase heated during the fucking Super Bowl, too. Then he switched off on a T. Higgins, had fucking T. Higgins heated. So he just fucking gets to them. And I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_11:Just swing on him. You don't have to swing. Just swing on them.
SPEAKER_07:Fuck it. If you're gonna suspend it, swing on him. We're not winning anyway.
SPEAKER_11:Well, here's the thing. If you swing on him, you'll get suspended for the game, but you're not gonna get suspended the next game.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_11:Which is the problem. Like they just don't spit. Like, just it's such an easy thing.
SPEAKER_07:Alright. Next time you have the New York Giants at the at Detroit. I took Detroit since without Jackson Dart and no Cam Scattaboo, that team just has no spark.
SPEAKER_11:But they have Jameis. And he showed them last week he can make all the throws and then make the one bad pick in the worst spot and lose you the football game.
SPEAKER_07:Jameis for the first three quarters shows you why he could be a starting quarterback. Yeah. And then this nigga throws a pick, fucking two minutes left in the game.
SPEAKER_11:And he does what personality too, makes it so much worse, makes you like him. And then it's like, oh Jameis, not now. Don't no Jameis. Come on, you were so close. I'm taking Detroit, even though I'm really like get Dan Campbell calling the plays. The first game was great because they were playing against a terrible Washington team. But then last week they went like a one in like 14 on third and fourth down. Maybe I don't know. I just think maybe Dan Campbell's trying to prove he's a smarter guy than what he is. Like when he's just a head football coach, I think he's very good at what he does. But him thinking that he's gonna be able to fix the offense by calling the plays doesn't seem like it's gonna work long term.
SPEAKER_07:I agree.
SPEAKER_11:I it will not be so even though I the giant the Giants defense is bad enough to where it'll look okay again, but I just think that you know hopefully um why am I forgetting his name now for Detroit quarterback. Goff. Hopefully you can start feeling a little more comfortable because what that Eagles defense did to him last week it was scary. That's the one thing I can't give the Eagles. Like their defensive line is back to being like killing everybody again.
SPEAKER_07:Next game you got Minnesota at Green Bay. I'm taking Green Bay because that team seems to no longer believe in McCarthy.
SPEAKER_11:McCarthy's bad. He's so bad. He'll have one drive a game that makes you like, oh, maybe that could be something.
SPEAKER_07:Man, it's almost like we both said this of him coming out of college. Real quick, you know he's bad. I know he's not that good. No, he's not. And you said it he's inaccurate. You said it, Justin Jefferson just don't seem to be he ain't up for it.
SPEAKER_11:And real quick, and you're they're not getting rid of Justin Jefferson, he's staying, he's not going nowhere.
SPEAKER_07:I think we may see the next great receiver want to leave Minnesota. Um, they do it a lot.
SPEAKER_11:They're so bad. He's so bad. He's so bad. They don't trust him at all. No, and he can't hit the How can you he can't hit the fucking Brian's blood the broad side of a barn, man?
SPEAKER_09:You can't trust him, dude.
SPEAKER_11:He's not consistent. Well, he literally sits at 50% completion percentage in a row. Now you just can't do that in the NFL. You just can't. And here's the problem. I think I heard somebody make this comparison because the offensive coordinator slash said coach for them for Minnesota. Um I'm forgetting his name, it doesn't really matter. And then you compare him to like Stefansky for San Fran. Stefansky wants to run the football. He'll run the football all fucking day, right? But the guy for Minnesota, he wants to throw the football around. So like that's what he wants to do. He is not gonna sit there and be like, hey, we're just gonna run the football 30 times this game and keep the problem is their offense is tailored, they're throwing the football.
SPEAKER_07:They don't have like a tight end even block. TJ Hockey can kind of do it, but it's not really what his bread and butter is. They have two elite receivers.
SPEAKER_11:They're throwing the football. That's what they want to do. So they can't even sit there be like, hey, we're just gonna rely on the run game today because they don't have a running back that can do so. They don't have a dominant offensive line that can run the football like that. And they just they it's just it doesn't make they're now fucked because their quarterback can't throw. And he's not getting better. No, it doesn't make any sense to me. Seattle. Tennessee's one of the worst teams in the NFL. They played very tough last week against. Who'd they play last week? Texans. They played very tight against them. He's so good. And he's so good.
SPEAKER_07:He's on such a bad team, and I'm starting to feel really bad because goddamn are is he fucking talented.
SPEAKER_11:No weapons. The offensive line sucks. Defense is awful.
SPEAKER_07:I had like a couple questions about him coming out, but there is he is fucking so good.
SPEAKER_11:You just gotta hope that the team does not ruin his confidence once by the time they do get the do get the players in. Hopefully you don't ruin him. That's all you have to hope for. Because they're like Cam Ward is very good. That team is not. And Seattle, they're just gonna have JSN catch the ball to eight to ten times for over 100 yards and a touchdown.
SPEAKER_08:They're gonna give a fuck what kind of catch he made. He's not Odell.
SPEAKER_11:That one catch on the sideline, the one-handed, oh my god.
SPEAKER_08:Not as good as Odell.
SPEAKER_11:I don't give two fucks. He's more as good as Odell. He's unstoppable.
SPEAKER_08:It's not as good as Odell.
SPEAKER_11:He's unstoppable.
SPEAKER_08:It's not as good as Odell. Fuck you. It's not as good as Odell.
SPEAKER_11:You just don't want to give JSN his credit.
SPEAKER_08:No, he can have his credit. Fuck you, but it's not it wasn't as good as Odell.
SPEAKER_11:It doesn't matter. He's doing everything else.
SPEAKER_07:No, no. We were doing a job the other day, and I heard a kid go, throw it up.
SPEAKER_08:I'm gonna catch it like JSN. I'm about tweaked.
SPEAKER_11:I'm about tweeted. But they think think about the kid, he they don't know what Odell. Odell was so long ago.
SPEAKER_08:And I'm about to go show him if he says that shit again. I'm about to go show him.
SPEAKER_11:Jason's a monster, man. He's so good. Um, but anyhow, Seattle's gonna nuke Tennessee and be up by 30 in the first quarter. Fuck. No, it's not. No, then that one catch is not as good as Odell. But I think he's a more all-around receiver, though. JSN can play the inside, he can play the outside, he can route you up, he can beat you over the top. I think he's a more all-around better receiver. Because guess what? Fuck you. Guess where he went? Wide receiver you.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry. Do you have one of the top receivers in the NFL right now? Yes, we do, actually.
SPEAKER_11:JSN is the leading yards receiver right now and catches. Yes, we do. I don't give Nope. Uh-uh. Chase won the triple crown. Justin Jefferson did not.
unknown:Fuck.
SPEAKER_11:Fuck you. Fire receiver you is in Ohio State. Next game. Indy going to Kansas City.
SPEAKER_07:I'm taking Indy.
SPEAKER_11:I'm gonna take Indy too. I want to believe in this moment because this is the final nail in the Kansas City fucking coffin. If Kansas City loses this game, they are not making the goddamn playoffs. Like there is no chance they make it.
SPEAKER_07:My only fear is Kansas City goes out and just fucking don't talk. I'm so fucking scared. My only truly, truly my only fear is Kansas City goes out there, puts belt to fucking ass.
SPEAKER_09:They're not gonna do it to the defense.
SPEAKER_07:I think the defense for Indianapolis is very pretty decent. They won't. They will not. But what if they do?
SPEAKER_11:Or what if, or well, what if Daniel Jones has a Daniel Jones moment and he throws a bunch of picks? I'm just I'm just like I won't.
SPEAKER_07:The variables for this team that I have never questioned. I'm not questioning Daniel or you They can run the football very well.
SPEAKER_11:Their defense is fine. Not amazing, but they're fine.
SPEAKER_07:They can run the football really well against Texans, the Titans.
SPEAKER_11:But Kennedy doesn't have a great defense. They can't really stop to run like that.
SPEAKER_07:But again.
SPEAKER_11:The only thing you have to make sure you don't do is don't let Patrick's heat up and beat you for 300 yards. Just do that and you're gonna win the football game.
SPEAKER_07:I have not once questioned this team all year. I have no reason to.
SPEAKER_11:They're really good. They're a solid football team. And they can put the final nail in the conference.
SPEAKER_07:I know I can't. They've done it too many times. Conflict say Indian Indianapolis is gonna win in the quarter. 32 seconds left. And they have the ball. Yeah. Then I can say they're gonna win.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I know. I totally get it.
SPEAKER_06:This is a tentative of, but what if I'm fucking scared?
SPEAKER_11:I'm just like, don't let I just like put the final down the coffin. I don't want to let off the five. I'm okay watching anybody else in the AFC go play for a Super Bowl. I'm fine. Oh Patriots no. They don't deserve, they don't deserve to have happiness. They really don't. And they're getting it. They're not fucking making the playoffs.
SPEAKER_07:You weren't the first time.
SPEAKER_11:I was happy for you.
SPEAKER_07:No. You said I don't want them to win. I don't want to live in the world where the Bengals have a Super Bowl yet.
SPEAKER_00:Burbatum. No, no, no. Okay. Oh, sorry. That wasn't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Burbatum. Those words came directly from your fucking mouth. I said, I don't think I would live in the world. No, no, no, no, don't make me pull it back up. Uh verbatim. I was scared, bro.
SPEAKER_07:You don't want to live in a world where the Bengals have a Super Bowl. Verbatim.
SPEAKER_09:That is what you said to me. Yeah, I yeah, I did say it, okay?
SPEAKER_08:That was the most hateful shit you have ever done. That was the most hating nigga shit you have ever done in your life. You hating hate. You had no reason for the right.
SPEAKER_10:You have to you have to understand. No, fuck you.
SPEAKER_11:You're not there to say what you were at that point. You were a kid, you were a man, a kid, that did not know what true disappointment was in the face.
SPEAKER_07:You several times tried to tell me to act like you've been here, and every time I was like, I've never fucking been here. Yeah, I know. I was like, I'm past the first round. This is new.
SPEAKER_11:But every time, but here's the thing. When you when I when you were having that moment, you have you wanted the shit down my throat. I was being happy for you, and you're like, fuck you, we're the amazing.
SPEAKER_07:Oh shit, you were being happy. You were always on the fence. Real quick, through every playoff game, from the first one to the last one, you not once picked the Bengals.
SPEAKER_11:They were the underdog in all those games. I had no reason to.
SPEAKER_07:We beat the Ravens.
SPEAKER_06:Dog walked the fuck out of the Bills. We dog walked the fuck out of the Bills. We dog walked them so bad by the end of the second quarter, there was no reason to still be here. I get it, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_07:And then going to the AFC Championship against the Chiefs, who we had dog walked to the pre in the regular season, after we just dog walked the dominant ass Bills, we've been good all year.
SPEAKER_06:You still didn't pick us.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I know. I know.
SPEAKER_06:And you still didn't pick us.
SPEAKER_09:I did not.
SPEAKER_06:So you are telling me you didn't just fucking hate. Hate. Hate. Hate the entire fucking play play playoffs?
SPEAKER_09:Maybe.
SPEAKER_06:The entire playoffs.
SPEAKER_07:You just hated it. Hated. Okay, all right. Hate it. Joe Burrow got sacked nine fucking times against Titans. You can still put one out there and won by two touchdowns.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_07:Went out there next game. Still went out there and fucking bowled out. Went out the next game. Still went out there and balled out.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:He was sacked twenty-two times in four fucking games.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Not once were they called.
SPEAKER_09:Okay. Not once.
SPEAKER_07:Not once. Did you pick the bangles? Bangles gave you every reason to pick them.
SPEAKER_11:They seem yes, they seemed like the team of Destiny, and I was holding on to.
SPEAKER_07:It wasn't just a run. It was after our bye-week during week seven, not another fucking game was lost.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I know. Until the Super Bowl. I get it.
SPEAKER_07:Not another game was lost to the Super Bowl. Team of Destiny, we're the only team to pick. You didn't pick the Bengals at all. I didn't. My bad. You picked the Bengals once, and it was against the Browns, and we lost that game. Fuck you.
SPEAKER_11:Nick Chubb had like three on Halloween. And this is where. Okay, I would have to eat the fact that I was in a spot where I was like, do I want to live in a world where Jayce is going to be able to shit down my throat every single goddamn day? Because I really did see a world where you won that Super Bowl, and then you call me or text me every single day. I won the fucking Super Bowl. Fuck you. Fuck you, nigga. And then that getting that every single day for the rest of time. It doesn't matter how many T how many times you lose. Every time, every time. Every time. Guess guess what Joe Burrow has you don't? A Super Bowl ring. That every time. So yes, maybe I let my my my fear of that come over me. I think it's a combo of the two.
SPEAKER_07:No, you were a hating ass nigga.
SPEAKER_00:Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Shut the fuck up. You were a hating ass nigga. You were a hating ass nigga.
SPEAKER_07:There is very few times in my personal life where you have just straight hated on my team.
SPEAKER_02:I know for fucking 10 history.
SPEAKER_08:You were a hating ass nigga. You were a hating ass nigga. You were not giving the Bengals credit for anything.
SPEAKER_07:I distinctly remember you picked us to lose against Vegas one week. And I looked at you and went, are you fucking serious? Vegas was decent in 2022, 2021. They were decent. We played them, right? We had to.
SPEAKER_11:They saw Derek Carr then, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_07:We had to beat them to get into the playoffs. If we didn't beat them, we weren't making it. We proceeded to beat the fuck out of them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:You did not pick us to win that game.
SPEAKER_02:No, I didn't.
SPEAKER_11:I let my hate get the best of me. It is what it is. But here's what I'll say. No matter how much hating I did, no matter how much hating I did, this is one thing I can say without a shadow of a doubt. How you lost that Super Bowl, I would not have wished my worst enemy. How you lost it, I felt instantly terrible. There was no hint of happiness that you lost at Super Bowl whatsoever because of the way you lost it. Like if it was like a back and forth game and like it was like one of those things where you like, if you got destroyed, I'd be totally different. Because like it's like fine, we were not as good as them. It is how it's how it ended. But the fact that it ended the way it ended. It was a dog fight. It was a dogfight that ended on a very bad, unfortunate play. I I did not feel happiness that you lost that Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_07:It wasn't an advanced.
SPEAKER_11:I felt real I felt true sadness for you.
SPEAKER_07:Three minutes.
SPEAKER_11:Was the best player in the world.
SPEAKER_07:Was the best player in the fucking world. Yeah. For three fucking minutes. Yeah. That nigga was untouched several times.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. Oh, and then the no-look pass. One of the most cold passes I've ever seen made in my life in the NFL.
SPEAKER_07:If Odell never got hurt, that game wasn't as close as it was.
SPEAKER_11:Oh yeah. Yeah, no, sure. No, no doubt. Him along with Cooper Cup, like they were. Yeah, but he was like the leading receiver at that point. He had like 85 yards. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:If he never gets hurt, and they were walking up and down the field on you. If he never gets hurt, that game's nowhere near as close. Because now it was just, hey, focus, Cooper Cup.
SPEAKER_11:And it still didn't help. It didn't it didn't matter. And he he was triple crown winner, won the Super Bowl. Dog. He was a dog. Super Bowl MVP. He did everything.
SPEAKER_07:In every aspect of the word, the Bengals did not deserve to be there yet.
SPEAKER_11:Right.
SPEAKER_07:We didn't deserve it.
SPEAKER_11:Right.
SPEAKER_07:Joe Burrow willed us there. Yeah. He had been sacked 22 times in fucking four games.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah. The Joe Burrow effect. He did it. For sure.
SPEAKER_07:God damn, Swan J Raker caught that fuck away.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:No one could tell me he couldn't get it.
SPEAKER_11:He had a chance. He really did.
SPEAKER_07:We were five yards away from the first down. I truly believe we would have got the first down in the game with the card.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_07:I agree. We were down. No, we were down three. It was 2023. We were down three. Oh, it was a photo. Joe Brown got the ball first.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, I get it. Yeah, because that was before the rule change of both teams get to have it at least once.
SPEAKER_07:He got the ball first in overtime.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, and ended it. Yeah, no question.
SPEAKER_07:I think about that. I wake up in cold sweat, staying like a fucking suit bowl.
SPEAKER_11:I know. I know. And again, if it happened again, I don't think I'd be nearly as much of a hater.
SPEAKER_07:You were a hating ass nigga.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, okay, alright, I get it.
SPEAKER_09:Fine.
SPEAKER_07:I can't let you have that. I'm not gonna let you say you were scared. You were a fucking hater. The Bengals had given no one ever a reason to hate on them. I maybe gave you a reason to hate on them.
SPEAKER_11:Yeah, you did, for sure.
SPEAKER_07:But that wasn't until like the last like last two weeks I played. I was out on my own.
SPEAKER_11:You were obnoxious as fuck.
SPEAKER_07:I ain't never been here before. How do I act?
SPEAKER_11:I get it, but it was bad. That part was bad.
SPEAKER_07:That's fine. Again, I was a little younger. I was 17. Yeah. Uh so again, I'll go in.
SPEAKER_11:But if it but this is what I'll say, if it happened again, I don't think I'd be nearly as much of a hater.
unknown:Almost did. The next very next year.
SPEAKER_11:True. But I'm saying if it happened again, like right now, I don't think I'd be nearly as like hating as much. That wasn't. I know, I know.
SPEAKER_07:I've never I think the next series of playoffs was even more exciting. It was a lot, it was even harder. Yeah. Sam Hubber's got the ball and then 98 yards. That was his second to last place of angle, by the way.
SPEAKER_02:Insane.
SPEAKER_07:Um next game, you got the Jets at Baltimore.
SPEAKER_11:Baltimore.
SPEAKER_06:Alright, now these are the games.
SPEAKER_11:Do you know the Tyrod Taylor's starting that game, by the way? They're sitting uh Justin Fields. Because they think that he is the only problem with that team, and that is where I don't agree with them. Again, just I've been saying this all year. Justin Fields has his part as to why they have not been playing well, but he is not the only reason. That offensive line has been absolute dog shit, and they haven't had um Garrett Wilson in the past like two or three weeks. And to be totally honest, the only reason that the game they played last week, hold on, who did they play last week? The only reason they were in the game last week against the Patriots, like there was even a chance they had like had an opportunity to get the job done, was because was his running his running ability. But guess what you're not gonna get with that with Tyrod Taylor? Like he can't run like that no more. He's a little bit older of a quarterback, and even when he was in his prime, he wasn't necessarily running like that. So when it comes to like I just don't know, it doesn't make any sense to me. It's a terrible organization, terrible, like just terrible, like I'm not even gonna say terrible teams, they have talented guys, but they got rid of two of the best players on defense. So I'm just sitting there like just keep losing. Maybe that's it. Maybe they just want to make sure they lose games, throw Tyrod out there, and like you're not sure if they ever really trusted Justin Fields. They didn't, but again, if you did this is how it was gonna go. Why did you pay him 30 million in guaranteed dollars?
SPEAKER_06:You could have stick on the Steelers.
SPEAKER_11:You know, I I don't know. I don't know. There's only been one time I've seen Justin Fields play, and he's been awesome. He was with the Steelers, and unfortunately, they didn't even believe in it either, and they sat him for a terrible Russell Wilson, which didn't go how they wanted it to. But no, Baltimore wins that game, they're a much better team. And then coming off of their bad loss they had last was it loss or they win? No, sorry, the win against the Browns almost felt like a loss because of how bad it was. Um, I think Baltimore is gonna want to come out and win this game without much of an issue.
SPEAKER_07:I agree. Next game, you got um Oh gross Cleveland at Las Vegas. Oh my god, that's yeah, Cleveland at Vegas. So I didn't pick this game because I don't know how to pick this game.
SPEAKER_11:Shador is gonna be their starting quarterback for Cleveland.
SPEAKER_07:Vegas is so fucking bad. They're so bad. Gino is holy shit, Gino's done.
SPEAKER_11:And that Cleveland defense is awesome.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, so I'm I'm gonna.
SPEAKER_11:And the Vegas offensive line is awful.
SPEAKER_07:Because also Quinchon Juckins. It's a monster.
SPEAKER_11:If they can just have a decent passing game to go along with the run game, I think they could be fine. I'm gonna go Cleveland too.
SPEAKER_07:I don't trust Vegas.
SPEAKER_11:The only thing Vegas has in their favor is Brock Bowers, and that Cleveland defense is good enough to where they could actually slow him down.
SPEAKER_07:They can slow him down, not stop him.
SPEAKER_11:And do I trust Gino to make the right decision on game engagement? I don't trust Gino to make decisions. I don't trust him at all. I again, I was a Gino believer to start the year. And I had to take that L. I had to take that L because he's just been awful this year. So I'm gonna take Cleveland because I think their defense. And Miles Garrett is on a little bit of a generational run here. It is a lot of bad teams he's facing while doing it. But he is on a little bit of a. It's harder to do that as a running back.
SPEAKER_07:Nigga, the Titans.
SPEAKER_08:Real quick, you take five teams. This nigga has four touchdowns.
SPEAKER_11:Okay, just let me just do the math real quick. Just go with me on this math problem, right? There's one running back, you're facing a whole 11 people on defense that is trying to stop you. Yeah. Okay. As a defensive end, one offensive tackle trying to stop you, maybe two. The defensive tackle. Um am I forgetting his name?
SPEAKER_07:Great. Hey, there's seven of his touchdowns right there. Yeah, I understand.
SPEAKER_11:I do. I get it. We don't have to go on the we don't have to go down the. But again, does the math problem I just said make sense though? No. It's harder to do that as a when you have a whole defense trying to stop you. I really don't want to go down this whole song and dance again. So let's just go ahead and just not have the argument anymore. Um, let's just agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. Um, let's just go ahead and go on to the next game. What is it? Jacksonville at Arizona. It's another game without Kyler Murray. Oh, by the way, I didn't mention the Steelers. Uh Aaron Rodgers broke broke partially broke his left wrist. He's questionable to play this Sunday, because again, if he can use his right hand to throw, why don't you? But he's like 40-something years old. And I don't think Mason Rudolph's all that much worse than he is, to be totally honest with you. I think Mason Rudolph can easily come into a game and play well enough to win the game. So my pick stays the same either way, even without Aaron Rodgers. Um Jacksonville, Arizona. Still no Kyler, I don't think. Jacksonville's fine, but they haven't been great. Is Marv back?
unknown:I know Jacksonville.
SPEAKER_11:Because I know he got appendicitis. He had to get the his pen appendix removed, which is why he missed last week. But he should be able to come back for this week. Yeah, I'm on Jacksonville. Jonah Barron. Uh I'm seeing some really good players on their defense not playing. And Jonah Williams is out. I'm gonna go ahead and go with Johnson's questionable. I'm gonna go with Jacksonville as well. It's just ugh there. Jacksonville's not been consistent at all, but I think Arizona has enough missing from their team to where even with Marv, I think Jacksonville should probably win the game. Next game, Philadelphia at Dallas. I'm taking Philly. Like I've been saying, I've been mentioning all podcasts along that defensive line is back to being scary again.
SPEAKER_07:George Pickens is like so good.
SPEAKER_11:And George Pickens is very good.
SPEAKER_07:And the problem just Schitzberg?
SPEAKER_11:Maybe. I know I'm maybe that is the case, but here's the problem. Are they gonna want to pay him the money he's gonna want to look for?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_11:Or are they gonna want to throw the franchise tag on him for next season? And that's where the problem will start because as soon as he feels like something's not going his way, things may start going the way that the Steelers saw, and things will go terribly from there. But as of right now, he's been awesome, unstoppable. Dak and him, they throw the football to him a lot, and he's making a lot of big plays. I can't take that away from him. But I just think I never said it was gonna go terribly to start, but it'll eventually it'll get there. So let's go ahead and go to the next game here.
SPEAKER_07:You have Atlanta at New Orleans.
SPEAKER_11:Atlanta the Kirk Cousins. Do I believe that they can win that game?
SPEAKER_07:More New Orleans.
SPEAKER_11:I think I might have to because New Orleans, they still have the young quarterback that they have, even though he's old, but for at least for being a rookie. I'm gonna take Atlanta. They're a better football team. I think they should be able to they should be able to get the win on that, but who knows? New Orleans could definitely win that game.
SPEAKER_04:Tampa Bay at the Los Angeles Rams.
SPEAKER_11:Ooh. Tampa isn't healthy. That's why I'm taking the Rams. I'm gonna take the Rams, and not to mention that defense looked so dominant last week against against Seattle. I just don't think Tampa Bay can mess with the Rams the way that Seattle could, and the Rams' defense still looked dominant. So I don't think Baker's gonna throw four interceptions, though. But I think it'll be close. The Rams' offense is on a different level right now.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_11:So I'll take the LA Rams. They can run the football, they can throw it. They have everything on their side, they should have win that game. Sunday night, too, would be a good big game. Last but not least, Carolina at San Francisco. That game is gross. That game is gross. That game is gross.
SPEAKER_06:I took stand for him.
SPEAKER_07:Bryce Young's so up and down.
SPEAKER_11:Bryce Young had a his best game as a pro last week. He had like 450 yards passing. That's true. And Tet McMillan.
SPEAKER_07:He's good.
SPEAKER_11:I I hate to say you were not a believer. I think me, you I think I was more believer in him than you were coming out. You thought he was a lot like uh Drake London. But I'm like, he has a little bit of a juice to him that even Drake London doesn't have. And Tet McMillan's legit.
SPEAKER_07:He is a lot better than I thought he was.
SPEAKER_11:No, for sure. You own that. You own that for sure. Um Ted McMillan's legit. He is. I don't think San Fran has a defensive player that can stop him. I don't, but I also think which Josh, which, sorry, which um I why am I forgetting? You just literally just said his name to me, and I'm forgetting his name already. Bryce Young. Which Bryce Young is going to show up.
SPEAKER_07:Yes. And with that, I'm going to go with San Fran.
SPEAKER_11:And Carolina's defense is not going to be able to stop San Fran. I think George Kittle is back to playing it. What do you need to do? Chris McCaffrey. And Purdy are back. And Purdy played very well last week. As long as Purdy doesn't feel like he needs to overextend himself to go win a football game. Because it's the Panthers, they're going to win this game without much of an issue. They're going to destroy them. So I'm taking San Fran to win that game. That's all the games. That's all I got on that. And then the bye-week teams are Denver's on by, Miami's on by, Chargers are on by, which they definitely need because they've been having a lot of bad losses in a row. And then Washington as well. So that's about it on all the games. Story-wise, there's nothing else that has come out since we started podcasting, so there's really nothing else to do. And let's go ahead and end the podcast here. So, if you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. If you're just not joining on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride of talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you do like us and enjoy us, if you could like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars. Wherever you listen to us, we're pretty much available on all audio platforms out there. We would definitely love if you could do that for us. Share us, friends, family, enemies. Anybody feel like can enjoy the podcast on a weekly basis that we put out a couple times a week. We would love if you can do that. And then last but not least, follow us on Twitter andor X, whatever you'd like to call it, at JB Sports Pod is the podcast handle. At Javante Boozer is my handle. At Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I will hand it over to Jay so he can finish off the pod. That was my cleanest outro.
SPEAKER_07:First off, I didn't say records before we started doing the fix. Uh I'm 97 and 52 and one, Joe's 94 and 55, and three game difference. Wanted to say that on the podcast now. Thank you all as listening. Thanks for always listening. Have a nice day, nice night. Bye.
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