From College Football Rivalries To Pro Picks: A Holiday Mega-Show

A holiday mega-show built for the loudest week in football. We open with a fast, honest college football reset: Oregon outmuscles USC without key weapons, Oklahoma’s defense carries an offense stuck in neutral, BYU finds late credibility, and Utah wins a track meet it had no business winning. Then the rankings conversation gets real—what matters more in November: resume, game control, or head-to-head? Lane Kiffin rumors, Alabama’s post-Saban expectations, and Texas vs Texas A&M pride all pour gas on a combustible weekend.

All roads lead to The Game. We break down why Ohio State’s defense is the best unit in the nation, how Michigan’s injuries complicate their run-first DNA, and what Ryan Day must resist if he wants to flip the script. It’s not just Xs and Os; it’s identity, scar tissue, and a raw back-and-forth on a timeless question: would you rather beat your rival or win a national championship? That tension reframes everything about rivalry week and the College Football Playoff.

Then we recap week 12 in the NFL with precision. The Steelers’ identity crisis, the Patriots’ incremental steps, and the Rams’ offense catching fire are more than storylines; they’re signals. We challenge the Jonathan Taylor narrative with context, weigh the Ravens’ ceiling if Lamar can’t threaten space, and explain how Seattle’s balance travels. Brock Purdy’s arm confidence versus Kyle Shanahan’s structure might be the quiet hinge of the NFC. We wrap with clear Week 13 picks built on trenches, red zone execution, and turnover regression—no fluff, just football.

If you want smart rivalry week previews, CFP scenarios that actually hold up, and NFL calls you can use while the turkey’s in the oven, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share with a friend, and drop your boldest upset pick—who shocks the football world this week?

Chapters

• 0:00 Holiday Schedule And Run Of Show
• 3:40 Thanksgiving, Culture Bits, And Housekeeping
• 4:15 College Recap: Oregon, Oklahoma, BYU, Utah
• 12:25 Rapid Scores: OSU, Notre Dame, Michigan
• 16:40 Fan Frustration And Stepping Back From Football
• 17:47 Playoff Rankings: Cases, Jumps, And Snubs
• 22:08 Coaching Futures And Program Expectations
• 27:00 Rivalry Week Preview: Friday’s Slate
• 33:28 Saturday Headliners Beyond The Game
• 40:32 The Game: Stakes, Matchups, And Mindset
• 54:40 What Matters More: Rival Wins Or Titles
• 1:05:45 NFL Week Recap: Bears-Steelers, Pats-Bengals
• 1:18:20 Lions-Giants And Winston Chaos
• 1:21:40 Packers-Vikings, Seahawks-Titans Takeaways
• 1:28:10 Chiefs Rally, Colts Reality, And JT Debate
• 1:39:20 Ravens-Jets, Browns-Raiders, QB Swings
• 1:48:10 Rams’ Surge, Eagles’ Stalls, And NFC Picture
• 1:56:10 Brock Purdy’s Ceiling And Shanahan’s Floor
• 2:01:20 Power Rankings Vibes Check
• 2:05:40 Week 13 Picks And Thanksgiving Games
• 2:22:30 Bengals-Ravens Dilemma And Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_10: 0:09

Welcome back, James Host Podcast. Today is Wednesday, November the 26th. And we're back from the podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 0:15

We're here. It's Wednesday. Usually we do our podcasts on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but because of the holiday, you got Thanksgiving tomorrow, and then you have everything going after that. We figured we could just do everything in just one big old podcast.

SPEAKER_08: 0:30

Thanksgiving ain't a world holiday, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04: 0:32

It's not a world, not a world holiday, no. It's mostly an America thing. Even though can't Canada does have a Thanksgiving, but theirs is like three months earlier. Yeah, they have an earlier much earlier Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_10: 0:46

The fuck's their Thanksgiving about?

SPEAKER_04: 0:48

I think kind of the similar thing, except similar different kinds. I don't know. But they do have their own Thanksgiving in Canada. But outside of outside of North America, I don't think there's a Thanksgiving. No, there isn't. No, then no, no. Outside of the North America, there's not a thing, there's not a Thanksgiving at all.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18

Why is Christmas a warm holiday? How did that one?

SPEAKER_04: 1:21

Because Christmas is a religious holiday. Christmas. Birth of Christ and all that. That's a religious holiday. Thanksgiving is not religious. Um because there's a lot of there's a lot of Indian Christian Indians.

SPEAKER_10: 1:38

No. No.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40

Well, I'm saying in America there is. No. Sorry, in America, yeah, there is.

SPEAKER_10: 1:44

You can do you have you ever met somebody who's a Christian Indian? I have not.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49

Yeah, I have. You're lying. I swear I have.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51

No, you're lying.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51

I swear.

SPEAKER_10: 1:52

You are lying.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53

I went to school with some of these people.

SPEAKER_10: 1:55

You are lying.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57

Okay, fine. Yeah, obviously there's a lot of Hindu Indians. Of course. We're talking about Indian with the dot, not an Indian with a feather. Um I just want to make sure we said it because it was like we're not talking about American Indians. I just want to make sure we were we were saying exactly what we were supposed to what we were supposed to say.

SPEAKER_08: 2:18

It's not what you were supposed to say.

SPEAKER_04: 2:19

That was yes. I that was what we were see. My our our mother and our grandfather. He wouldn't say that. He would just call them, he would just use the words, never mind. No, let's just keep going. And the other thing. Thanksgiving is this week. It's tomorrow. So we figured we could just do everything in one fail swoop. We're gonna do the recap, uh, the recap of all of Cost Rall from last week and then a long podcast. Huh? It's gonna be a long podcast. It won't be that long.

SPEAKER_08: 2:46

We're I'm gonna try to keep it mentioning.

SPEAKER_04: 2:48

Don't do this, dude. I want to stay within like the two-hour time frame. Not I want to keep say within that. I don't want to have a three-hour podcast today. I just don't want to. I don't know, man. You're but the only way that's gonna happen is if you do this to me. So don't do it.

SPEAKER_10: 3:02

I got nowhere to be today. So we're gonna do I got nowhere to be tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04: 3:05

All right, so we're gonna do a college wall recap from last week. I'm gonna hold myself to like five games to go any type to in-depth on. Anything else is like a one-sentence type of thing. Then we're gonna go into a little bit of the ranking stuff from that that happened last night because the new rankings came out last night for the Collegewell playoff. And then we'll do the preview of this upcoming week's games, a lot of rivalry games and all of that. And then from there we'll transition over to the NFL, do the recap of last weekend's games, and then after that, we'll do the um the picks and stuff for this upcoming weekend's games that start that start tomorrow during Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_10: 3:37

I've never seen the Bengals play on Thanksgiving before.

SPEAKER_04: 3:40

Yeah, that's the thing. I was surprised when I saw that too, because I'm like, that's just not a team that usually plays on Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_10: 3:46

This was a great game at the start of the year.

SPEAKER_04: 3:50

Yeah, no, no doubt.

SPEAKER_10: 3:51

This was a great slate of games at the start of the year.

SPEAKER_04: 3:54

Yeah, no, I I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_10: 3:56

Yeah, the package are fucking frauds.

SPEAKER_04: 3:58

Um yeah, but they're still good enough to go and do everything they need to do, so it's still a big game.

SPEAKER_09: 4:03

Sometimes.

SPEAKER_04: 4:04

You're not you're not wrong. Sometimes their losses are some of the weirder losses I like that any team has experienced this year. So without further ado, let's go ahead and get into it. Couchball recap from last week. Start with that. Oregon beats USC 42-27. That game, Oregon was the better team from top to bottom. They started the game very quickly, got up ahead, and then it felt like USC could never dig themselves out of the hole because it felt like every time USC would score, Oregon would just score again to kind of get back up on top. And this is with Oregon not having their bet their like top two receivers, and they were missing a couple, I think they're not missing about on defense, but offensively they're missing guys. And it didn't matter because Oregon ran the football like crazy. They did it very fast. I think they had over like 200 yards of offense, 200 yards rushing in this game, and they really controlled the again, they're at home, so it's a little bit easier for them to do so. But Dante Moore did his thing: 22 of 30, 257, two touchdowns and a pick. They ran the football 179 yards and three touchdowns. Sadiq, their tight end, is like a like a monster. He would probably be the number one tight end picked in this upcoming draft. He's very good, very physical, doesn't really block, but as a pass catching tight end, he will be a monster in the NFL, whoever picks him up. I don't think he has the same like special factor as like, you know, the guys we have in the NFL this year. The um Brock Bowers and for the Colts. Um I'm forgetting his name now. From where? The Colts. He played at Penn State.

SPEAKER_05: 5:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_04: 5:45

Um Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren. He doesn't, he's not that like they're like a I think Brock Bowers is a different level of everybody because of how crazy he is at catching the football and making play um making yards after the catch. He's just a receiver. But Sadiq is like very close to like a Tyler Warren, where he's like very physical and can do everything. Big body, and he runs the routes like a receiver. But yeah, Oregon did their thing. They won the foot, won the football game. I think USC played well though. But again, this is like USC's third loss, so now they're probably knocked out of the playoffs, really have no chance of doing all that. And they just couldn't run the football when time came. When you because USC has ran the football pretty effectively all year long, couldn't in this game against Oregon. Obviously, Oregon having a much better defense, kind of had had a big hand in that. And USC could throw the football, but they just couldn't run it enough to kind of keep their drives going long term to control the football a little better. And because of that, Oregon got the win, and they I think Oregon showed it was like another reason why Oregon has showed itself to be like one of the better teams than all of the all of the country. Uh, because before that, USC, I mean Oregon hadn't really had a big win, and the other only other big game that they had was against Indian in um Indiana, which they lost at home. So Oregon showed out against another ranked team in the College World playoff ranking, so Oregon did a great job. Next game, Oklahoma beats Mizzou 17-6. I only mentioned this game because Oklahoma, a team that I have said is not really worthy of being a top 10 team, but because of the resume that they have, the teams that they have beaten, you really can't keep them out. But in this game against Missouri, where they had just gotten their starting quarterback back uh Bo Prabula, he really couldn't do anything. He was trying, but he was obviously hurt. Mizzou couldn't score whatsoever, and Oklahoma's defense really did control the game. But the fact that Oklahoma only scored 17 points in this game against a very bad Missouri defense is a is a real issue. Um Oklahoma's offense has really been bad ever since the um their quarterback, John Mateer, hurt his hurt his finger. But he's probably healthier by this point, and he's still making bad decisions, he's not really throwing the football effectively, not very efficient. He's he didn't throw any picks in this game, so like that is a big thing. But like if he's not running the football and like doing it that way, where he had 18 carry 60 yards, if he's not doing that, like just him throwing the football is not enough for this Oklahoma offense, and it's definitely an issue. And I just think that once Oklahoma faces a a team of better talent than them, they're gonna have a huge issue doing anything. Because as good as their defense is, I think it's more their front seven than their secondary that's actually gonna get the job done. And then that offense for Oklahoma is not gonna be nearly good enough against any really good defense in the um in the Coswell playoff. Next game, BYU beat Cincinnati 6 26-14. I mention this game because BYU for such a long time, long period in their schedule, was beating nobody's, and then they've these last two games, they have played against Cincinnati in this last game and beat them, which is Cincinnati known as one of the better teams in all the Big 12. And then they beat TCU last week, so that they they did lose the Texas Tech a couple weeks ago. But outside of that, they've been playing their best football as of late. And even though I don't think BYU can really make any type of noise in the playoff, I do that that think they have done enough throughout the year. As long as they don't lose this last game they play this week. They should probably make the I shouldn't say that because they probably should get beat out by somebody if there's gonna be a team that has one or like two or two losses that has played a harder schedule. But I just think that BYU has done enough to potentially get in, but I just think that they might get booted out based off what they have done throughout the year, not really facing a lot of great teams. Next game, Utah beats K-State 51 to 47. I mentioned this game, Jace, because I know you'll be very interested in this fact, I have to tell you. So Utah actually ends up having to come back in the second half because there was a point in this game where K-State was winning this game at halftime, Kansas State was winning by 10. And then there was a point, and it was like kind of like a back and forth affair, but there was like borderline 10-point lead, and this was a 10-point lead in the fourth quarter, and then Utah kind of came back within like the last like seven minutes to win the game 57 to 41. Would you like me to tell you um some of the stats for this Kansas City, Kansas State game? They had K-State, let me get the sorry the box score, 472 yards rushing. Damn. In five touchdowns. Damn.

SPEAKER_10: 10:29

I was gonna say 470 yards passing. I was like, that's not bad. That's pretty good. Rushing is crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 10:36

Rushing is c the fact that you have that much yards rushing and can't win a football game. That's insane. You are controlling the ball like a motherfucker. Explosive runs. It's literally all it was because there was a long of 80, a wrong of a long of 58. And these are touchdown runs. Like these are some long runs that they that Utah allowed, and somehow they managed to come back in this game where they looked like they were dead.

SPEAKER_10: 10:57

Yeah, but again, like at running, I have that many rushing yards. That means you were controlling the pace of the game. Yeah. How the fuck do you lose? They only threw the football for 100 yards. That's crazy. 102. You guys are trash and should be ousted from the FCS.

SPEAKER_04: 11:10

How do you have that many rushing yards in a game and lose? It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Utah was a little bit more even. They threw the football for 259, two touchdowns, zero picks, and then they ran the football for another 292. So even Utah ran the football pretty decently, and the f they decided to come back at the end of that game in a crazy way. And it's just like Utah's the number 12 team, and I think as of the rankings, they were like, let's see, there were 13, so now they've actually taken a step down based off how that game went last week, and some of the teams behind them taking a jump up over them.

SPEAKER_02: 11:45

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_04: 11:46

But it was an insane game to watch because they just like they were dead at some dead at real big points in this game. And they managed to come back in a very exciting fashion. But just the fact that the 400 yards, almost 500 yards of rushing, is an insane stat to have in a football game. You lose. Pittsburgh, after just getting blown out by Notre Dame the week before, when the coach said, Hey, we don't care about this Notre Dame game whatsoever. As long as we win the last two, we can get to the ACC championship game and win the ACC. And I was the one questioning before that, like, hey, are should a coach be talking like that to the media? And it seemed like he meant it because they went, got blown out by Notre Dame, and then they come out against this Georgia Tech team and put a whooping on them. And I would say Georgia Tech helped them. They had a it was like a 90-something yard pick, six that happened for that Georgia Tech through Haynes King threw in this game. So, but Pittsburgh came out to play. They went for very good offensively, they did their job. And Pittsburgh, as long as they win this next game, we will have a chance to get to the ACC championship game and then get be able to get into the playoff. You mother, that was unnecessary. I don't want to go any deeper on that on this podcast, but just know that I saw that and that was not fun for me. You got it in the cup. You did not get that in the cup. I got it in the cup. No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_05: 13:34

It all landed in the cup.

SPEAKER_04: 13:35

Alright. And so that was the fifth game that I could go any sort of deep on because I told myself I wouldn't. Ohio State beat Ruckers 42-9, did their thing before the team having to face team up north, did what they had to do even without their wide receiver, either wide receiver playing. Notre Dame speed Syracuse 70-7, did a great job. Jeremiah Love is has a is an insane running back to play. And he may not win the Heisman because it's just a running back position. You have to go well further and beyond. You need to go crazy, and it's not gonna happen, but he probably is a top three player in all of college football, and he's playing very well. And Michigan beat Maryland 45 to 20, took care of business before the Ohio State game. Is what it is on that. They lost to Iowa. Was it to Iowa, right? Yeah. It was a close game though. It was a close game, but you guys I don't know why you guys punted to their their um kick returner. Yeah, their kick returner is like one of the best in the sport, and they just kicked it to him, and he just like he killed him. Yeah, and it's saying and saying how that goes, your coach needs to get fired. Yeah, and I say that knowing that I was like super positive on him and your quarterback, and neither has gone all that well. And you kinda I think you need a like clean house a little bit.

SPEAKER_08: 14:58

Uh almost like I predicted this shit three years ago when I said shit's not gonna change.

SPEAKER_10: 15:04

It's not and guess what has happened? Nothing has changed. We are worse than we were before. Mel Tucker touches women and pays the players, and fuck, he could at least win football games.

SPEAKER_04: 15:16

He did. He he did that. No, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 15:19

And he I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm starting to straight up dislike football. I'm starting to straight up dislike football. I picked two bad fucking teams and I'm starting to dislike football. Hey, you know, hey. I watch no football this year. None. I watched two I've watched five total football games. Five, three.

SPEAKER_04: 15:47

Because the the Cincinnati game, the Joe Bro got hurt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 15:52

I watched Jake Browning for like a partial of the third game.

SPEAKER_04: 15:55

Right.

SPEAKER_10: 15:59

God didn't share. I watched the first two Michigan State games when we won. I watched them play USC, which was a hard fight game, and then we lost.

SPEAKER_04: 16:07

Oh, it was a very good game, though.

SPEAKER_10: 16:08

Then I watched them get a fucking mud hole stomp to them. And I was like, I'm just gonna keep tabs on them. I didn't even do that. Didn't even do that.

SPEAKER_04: 16:20

Guess what? Now you have to be back.

SPEAKER_10: 16:22

For what?

SPEAKER_04: 16:23

You don't have to be back, but back for what? Your boy Joe Burrow is calling.

SPEAKER_10: 16:27

I'm not fucking watching.

SPEAKER_04: 16:28

We're gonna we're gonna get to it. No, I already mentioned it. I don't know why I mentioned it. We gotta get to the rest of college football.

SPEAKER_10: 16:32

I'm not fucking back.

SPEAKER_04: 16:33

So that's so that's a recap of the college football.

SPEAKER_10: 16:37

It's like 15%?

SPEAKER_04: 16:40

One.

SPEAKER_10: 16:41

It is one percent. You know how many teams you need to lose for us we make it in? My bad. Not lose. Lose out.

SPEAKER_04: 16:51

Not say that, because you could still win the division. You're only like two games behind.

SPEAKER_10: 16:59

What? Yeah. Why are you the rest of you so fucking bad? Why are the rest of you so ass? I watched Joe Flacco throw like the most stereotypical interception I have ever seen in my life before.

SPEAKER_04: 17:10

You're only like two games below 500.

SPEAKER_10: 17:12

How the fuck are we only two games below 500?

SPEAKER_04: 17:15

In the Bengals, I mean sorry, the Steelers and the Ravens are both only six and five. You guys have a chance to win the division still.

SPEAKER_10: 17:23

One of us should get in off of like a nine and eight season.

SPEAKER_04: 17:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 17:29

If we come back and win the division, I might kill myself. Don't fuck don't give them a reason to keep Zach Taylor. I hope not. Alright, let's before we hope Joe Bro gets fucking concussed tomorrow because I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_04: 17:46

Before we get to that.

SPEAKER_10: 17:47

Throw Jake Browning back out there.

SPEAKER_04: 17:49

Coswell playoff rankings.

SPEAKER_10: 17:51

What the fuck's it matter?

SPEAKER_04: 17:52

I'm gonna give the top 12 Ohio State, Indian, Indiana, Tex AM, Georgia, Texas, Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Bama, BYU, Miami, Utah. That's 13. But I just wanted to go that go that route. And then Vanderbilt sitting right there on the outside, and so is Michigan sitting at 15. And Texas is low-key at 16, because Texas does have to play Texas AM, which is the number two ranked, sorry, the number three ranked team. So they could have an opportunity to jump into the conversation if they beat them, even though Tex Texas doesn't deserve it. They have three losses.

SPEAKER_08: 18:30

Michigan could also jump up.

SPEAKER_04: 18:32

Michigan for surely probably will, even though they wouldn't make the you know they if they beat Ohio State, they wouldn't need there's no not even a they wouldn't make the Big Ten championship game. No, wait a minute Even though they have two losses on the year and they only have one loss in the Big Ten. They still wouldn't make it based off tiebreakers and all of that. So like Michigan might have a chance to get into the playoffs as well if they beat Ohio State.

SPEAKER_10: 18:54

And where do they beat Ohio State?

SPEAKER_04: 18:56

Don't do don't do that. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_10: 18:58

Fifth year in a row? Sixth year in a row?

SPEAKER_04: 19:00

Maybe fifth, five. They ducked out like some pussies.

SPEAKER_10: 19:06

Um don't talk shit. They're your dad right now, so watch them out.

SPEAKER_04: 19:10

I understand that, but I was their dad for 20, like 20 years, okay? Literally my whole life, they beat us once. Okay? That's all that's all I needed. That's okay. We're gonna get there. Handedly. They have no hand, they did not beat us handedly last year. Uh-uh. We beat ourselves.

SPEAKER_10: 19:30

Oh, whatever you want to say. Oh, win's a win.

SPEAKER_04: 19:33

That's a so those that's the top 12. Um Michigan has a chance to jump in, Texas potentially does, even though I don't think they believe they should. Um, my the whole Miami-Notre Dame situation is becoming more and more of a thing because they're just getting closer and closer in ranking. And at some point, based off what the committee is saying, if they're close enough in rankings, they'll have to acknowledge the head-to-head ranking that actually happened on the field at the beginning of the season. So that is something that's going to have to be talked about if they kind of keep getting closer and closer. And Bama sitting at 10, if they lose this week, they're knocked out. They're done. It'd be their third loss on the year, and they're they're facing Auburn. Huh? He's fired. Either whether he's fired, because apparently he's being talked about for the Penn State job. Which is saying everybody's saying is a little bit better of culture fit if you were to go to Penn State because of the type of coach he is.

SPEAKER_03: 20:27

They're okay with the 10 and 3.

SPEAKER_04: 20:31

And maybe he they're gonna be more not as crazy as the Alabama fans that are just getting off of Nick Sape and being their guy. I don't think he's probably gonna I don't think he's gonna leave to be totally honest. Unless he loses this game. I think he's fired. I don't think they fire him. I think he would just leave on his own accord. They're not gonna fire him. They they zeroed zeroed in on him to be their guy. They didn't have a coaching search. They said, is Dan Lenny gonna take the job? He said no, he's not leaving Oregon, and then they went straight to him. So I'm like, I don't think they're gonna fire him based off of what they've been so far, but the fans are gonna make it so unbearable. I think he would leave on his own accord.

SPEAKER_10: 21:08

Or he's being fired. I think they fire him. If he misses the playoffs after they didn't make it last year either.

SPEAKER_04: 21:13

No.

SPEAKER_10: 21:14

Two years of not making it.

SPEAKER_04: 21:15

And then it'd be two years in a row of them having more than three losses. Three losses or more. So I think they had four losses last year.

SPEAKER_10: 21:23

He's gone. If they lose this game, he's gone. Whether he leaves the school where he's fired, I think they would fire him. Missing the playoffs twice, there's 12 teams. You couldn't be one of them.

SPEAKER_04: 21:36

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_10: 21:37

We're Alabama.

SPEAKER_04: 21:38

I think I think the actual school is trying to understand that, hey, we don't have Nick Saban anymore. So I think there is a little more sanity inside the walls of that Alabama organization. But the fans they don't give two fucks.

SPEAKER_08: 21:54

So he's gone if he loses his game.

SPEAKER_04: 21:57

Especially if a place like Penn State's willing to give him the money that he wants.

SPEAKER_10: 22:00

That's the thing. You aren't disagreeing with what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04: 22:03

No, I don't think it was a culture fit when he went there. I didn't, I don't because again, I was saying that you don't want to be the guy after the guy. You want to be the guy after the guy after the guy. Because you won't be compared to that that god that they had in Nick Saban for so long. You like the farther you get away from that, the better off you'll be because Alabama has a lot of the things. They have a lot of buy-in from their fan base and from the school. They don't necessarily have the rooting recruiting grounds, but Bama's, and they have the history. Bama's known as a top college football program in all the country. So even though Obama doesn't have the money that some other places have, like Ohio State and Texas and Georgia, they don't have that, and they don't necessarily have the the their alumni base that's willing to give money out the wazoo to give back to the school.

SPEAKER_10: 22:49

Because no one that goes to fucking Alabama lives in fucking Alabama.

SPEAKER_04: 22:52

Right. And the be and the people that are there, they don't have a big, they don't have like a big um population either. So like you're not gonna it's not like Ohio where like everybody's an Ohio State fan for the most part. For large part, people are Ohio State fans, and then everybody, you're maybe some Michigan.

SPEAKER_10: 23:08

There's one Michigan fan on Genesee Avenue. Real quick, there is a sign outside this man's house. I need to talk about this because I saw it when I went to go view a house the other day. Okay. Egg my house again. I will shoot.

SPEAKER_04: 23:28

Does he have a Michigan flag outside of his place?

SPEAKER_10: 23:30

He has a fucking Wolverine statue outside of his place.

SPEAKER_02: 23:34

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_05: 23:38

And drive-by eggings is crazy.

SPEAKER_10: 23:41

We were driving by, motherfucker sitting on his porch. I don't know what he's holding, but it's a it was a big standing on business. No, real quick, it's just his house. Big open plot. It's just his house. That's crazy work.

SPEAKER_04: 24:00

It's crazy. Again, when you when you're one four years in a row, you get to you get to stand tall, and you get to have again, there's gonna be stupid people that want to egg your house. I'd never I don't think I'd go that far um to vandalizing people's property, but there are people that are gonna be willing to do that, especially worth your life because he is standing on it. He's ready to go.

SPEAKER_10: 24:18

He's ready, he is standing on it. Uh the Wolverine statue, I remember because I used to drive back by by the house every day for work, is no longer on his porch, it's in his fucking front yard.

SPEAKER_04: 24:30

Hey, you get to be proud. Right now, you get to be proud. Again, the going it's a little might be a little too far. Not that far, might be a little too bold, because then you're asking for people to do something like that to your house by being so forward about it. You are asking to be gunned down, but you are asking to be gunned down if you do something.

SPEAKER_10: 24:47

I'm just saying. Uh again, we know Michigan fans. We know Michigan fans. He will be here that day. Yeah, no doubt. I can almost guarantee that he'll be here walking around here fucking 11 o'clock.

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Yeah, ready to ready to ready to talk trash, yeah, for sure. Or he'll be hiding and I'll have to I'll have to talk. I'll have to call him myself. No, he won't be hiding. I don't think he'll be hiding. He wouldn't, he wouldn't go out of his way to come see me. Have you met him? Yeah, the fuck you would. Not in a loss, he wouldn't.

SPEAKER_10: 25:17

No, no, no, no. He's gonna be here before the game. Now, if they lose, we're not gonna say for six months.

SPEAKER_04: 25:23

I did call. I will give him this credit. He did call me last year. I answered the phone. He showed me a lot more grace than he probably than I probably deserved.

SPEAKER_08: 25:31

Probably showed more grace than I ex than you would expect.

SPEAKER_04: 25:33

Oh, no, no. I was surprised by how much grace he showed me. So even if I'm gonna send him a text saying, hey, we're gonna have to talk to each other on Saturday, no matter how it goes. If it goes the way I think it's going to, I will be sure to show you the same amount of grace you showed me last year because you showed me a lot of grace. He didn't go that hard. He's like, Yeah. He's like, I need to hear you say it. I'm like, I said it. I gave the reason. We had a quick talk, and it was over. He didn't rub my nose in it, nothing like that. He's like, hey, we're just the better team. You have to accept that. I'm like, yeah, you know what? I do. And that was in my lowest moment, and then we won a national championship, and now I'm back. And it's a year later. It was cool. And now we're back doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_08: 26:08

Look, I there's two things I'm happy for in life. One, I can drive. Because the year y'all niggas lost the organ, and I'm looking at you like, hey bro, I gotta go to work.

SPEAKER_10: 26:17

Can you get me the Minards so I can go to work? You're just over here. Disheveled.

SPEAKER_04: 26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 26:23

You were lost.

SPEAKER_04: 26:25

Yeah. And that game wasn't even nearly as bad as.

SPEAKER_10: 26:27

No, and I was looking at you like, I gotta get to work, bro. I remember it was no radio, no music, just driving.

SPEAKER_04: 26:34

Yeah. Quiet.

SPEAKER_10: 26:36

I'm not even I'm not even on my phone.

SPEAKER_04: 26:38

That was an embarrass that was an embarrassing loss. We got we got our defense got destroyed in that game. That was awful. And that was like the first Oregon loss where Dan Lenny weren't even there yet. It was uh old boy that's coaching at Miami now. But no, that was that was an embarrassing loss. So that that was a hard one for me. I'm not gonna lie to you.

SPEAKER_09: 26:57

And then the first bitch I got lost.

SPEAKER_04: 27:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 27:01

You said nothing, stood up, walked to your room, opened the door, shut the door, did not achieve for like another three hours.

SPEAKER_04: 27:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta own that.

SPEAKER_10: 27:10

Straight Braylon came upstairs. He's like, is Joe okay? I'm like, I don't know. Don't go check.

SPEAKER_01: 27:17

Look, man. That's what it was. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_10: 27:19

I'm like, I don't know. Do not go check. He was like, why not? I'm like, just don't.

SPEAKER_04: 27:25

It's a hard time. It's a hard time.

SPEAKER_10: 27:27

Uh yeah, it was. I turned my Spartans on after that. We got dog walk, turned it off. So I was like, you know what? Fuck. My life still sucks.

SPEAKER_04: 27:36

Um hey man, this is how it goes sometimes. It's all right. We gotta get we gotta do the games this weekend. Couchball games, rivalry week is here. Rivalry week. Yeah, I have to try really hard to enable it. Rivalry week.

SPEAKER_10: 27:54

Rivalry is a hard word to say. Very hard.

SPEAKER_04: 27:57

Very mushmouth.

SPEAKER_10: 27:58

And rivalry week is not rivalry week. So yeah.

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Or think about the Texas Oklahoma game, the Red River rivalry.

SPEAKER_10: 28:07

The Red River rivalry. Yeah, exactly. That was Red River rivalry. Yeah. Red River Rivalry. Yes. There's too many R's.

SPEAKER_04: 28:16

Insane. Can't do it. Um, but a lot of teams playing each other uh rivalry games. And we'll just kind of go through them. We'll get to Ohio State, Michigan, because Jace is making very sure that he's gonna make that as excruciating as possible for your boy. Yes, sir. Um but let's just go ahead and go into it. So these games actually start on Friday because there's some games that are gonna be going on then. So Friday games. Ole Miss plays Mississippi State, which is considered the egg bowl. Ole Miss is a big thing because Lame is fucking name. Yeah, I know. Lane Kiffin is the head coach for Ole Miss. He is being courted not only by LSU but by Florida, and they have already announced that they will not announce what he's going to do next until after the Egg Bowl.

SPEAKER_10: 28:57

Didn't his family just come up from a trip to LSU?

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They they was seeing that they were looking at houses and schools in Louisiana for sure. In Baton Rouge. But again, he's one of those that loves social media so much. Like he could have just sent them as like a decoy uh to get everybody all riled up and then he'll be the hero coming back to Ole Miss after this game. Which that's where my mind is because I'm like, why would he why would they not announce until after the egg bowl if they're a team that's gonna be in the playoffs? They win this game, they're in the playoff, they still have a playoff run to have. So why would you make that, like, why wouldn't you make the announcement sooner rather than later that he was coming back so he can coach you not only through this game, but through getting into the playoff and all of that? So I do think he's probably gonna stay, but there's news that LSU wants to pay him like$13 million a year and then guarantee him$25 million in I. They're like saying, hey, we want you bad. Fuck oh, miss. We want you bad. So, like, that's gonna be a That's gonna be a whole thing as to what he's gonna do after this game. I just don't know. Because if he doesn't want to coach, if he's gonna like go to LSU, then why would you let him coach the rest of the playoffs and do all that?

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Yeah, I would stop it if you'd like, hey, where are you going?

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Or if I'm him and I'm like, I maybe this is him saying, I don't think we have a real chance of winning in the winning a championship, maybe, if he does decide to make this decision. Because if you say you're leaving, there's no way those kids are gonna be go out and play for you. I don't know. I I just I don't understand. Maybe they if they follow him to go to LSU. Maybe that's a reason for them to keep playing hard. I don't know. It's a weird one. It's Mississippi State. Mississippi State can beat them. They think they're like six, seven and a half point uh underdogs. But it's just a weird game, it's a weird circumstance, and I think he loves the pomp and circumstance so much, he's loving the attention that he's getting. So who knows what his decision is gonna be, but LSU is gonna come out very like they're coming out swinging. I'm not gonna lie to you. They're gonna make it very difficult. Um, Georgia plays Georgia Tech. Georgia should win this game without a doubt. Georgia Tech's not as good a team as them. But I think Georgia, like I've said all year, they have been a team that they have, when they're off, they're look very off. They can't score. Their defense is not as elite as it once was. But as of recently, their offense has kind of been getting better and better. They've been making some strides that way, and I think it's made them look made them play a lot better in general. But if they don't show up against Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech has an offense that can score. And if Georgia's defense is not as elite as it's been in years past, I think Georgia Tech, led by Haynes King, can make a lot of noise, run the football, and score a lot of points in general. I just don't think Georgia Tech has enough to win this game, not to mention the fact that Georgia Tech's season is effectively over now. Maybe if they beat Georgia, they'll have a chance to get into the playoffs, but outside of that, they have no chance of getting in. So I think Georgia probably wins this game at their 13 and a half point favorites for a reason. Georgia's the much better team. I think they'll win the game. Tech San M plays Texas. This is all on Friday, by the way. Texas Tech SM goes to Texas. This is like the first time, because this is like a every year rivalry game when they were both in the Big 12. But then Texan M lot went to the SEC back in 2012, and then Texas coming back to the SEC over the last couple years. Now this is that rivalry has kind of restarted. So this is the first time that this these two teams have played in Austin, Texas for like 15, 16 years. So this is those fans are gonna be raucous. Texas technically has a chance to get into a playoff if they win this game in a good fashion. Maybe the committee will kind of let them jump in. AM doesn't have as much to lose because, again, they're making the playoff no matter what, even if they lose this game, they're number three ranked right now. So they're not gonna fall outside the rankings altogether if they lose this game. But this is a pride thing. Those those fans hate each other. It is a true rivalry of epic proportions, and I think it'll put a real dam, not to mention Texas AM has not played great over these last few weeks. They almost lost South Carolina, a two or three win team a couple weeks ago. So AM has not necessarily played great as of recently. And I think Texas, with Arch starting to play a lot better, I think he had like 300 yards last like 350 yards last game passing. So if Arch is really starting to come into his own, and I think Texas does have the athletes to kind of put Texas AM in some weird predicaments, and um Texas' defense has not been as consistent, but if they do show up and have a very good day, I think they can make things very hard on Marcel Reed. But again, Marcel Reed had a three interception first half that could have been five or six interceptions against a terrible South Carolina team. So if Texas shows up at all defensively, I think they can make this a game. I would lean Tex AM to win the game, but I think this is going to be a very big one. And Texas can't, Tex AM can't prove themselves to be frauds if they have a bad game here and then potentially lose another, lose the first game that they have to play in the playoff. Saturday, we're getting to those games. Let's just go to it now. It's the first one in the five. No, that one's first? Okay, we'll end with it. Uh we got Miami Pittsburgh. This is a ranked-on-ranked matchup. If Pittsburgh wins this game, they can get into the ACC championship game. And if they win that, they would have a chance to get into the playoffs because as of right now, they're ranked number 22 in the playoff rankings, and then Miami is sitting at 12. Miami loses this game, they're out, they have no chance to get into the playoff. But even if they win, they're hoping for things to kind of break in front of them, or they're hoping for the committee to say, hey, we think Miami's a good enough team to be worthy of being in the playoffs, even if they have these two very bad losses in their own conference that have that has locked them out of being in the ACC championship game. So this is a game with a lot of uh a lot of magnitude to it. Miami is a six and a half point favorite. I if Pitt plays like how they did last week, I think they could win, they could potentially win this game because Miami's just not consistent at all as a team. But I will lead Miami because I just think they're a little bit better overall. And even if they don't play at their best, I think they have some frequazoid athletes on that team that can make life very difficult on Pittsburgh's offense with that freshman quarterback. He can make some weird decisions every once in a while, and I do think they can make life hard. And Miami's offense, if they can get the ball to their um the guy, Malachi Tony, their white their freshman wide receiver, he's very talented, very explosive, even if he's not all that big. He's a very hard player to stop, and I don't think Pittsburgh has a defense that can really stop him. Next one, Oregon Washington. Washington, and this is Washington at home, by the way. They can pull off the upset in this game. Oregon's only a six and a half point favorite. If Oregon loses this game, there's no guarantee that they'll be in the playoff. But if the only one loss right now, I do think they're probably in no matter what. But I do think if Oregon loses this game, they kind of lose their, like they lose all control of the situation altogether, and they're hoping for the committee to keep them in. And Washington really doesn't have anything else left in their season but to spoil Oregon's season. So that is something in, and not to mention Washington does have a great quarterback, wide receiver, running back trio, and if they can play their best, they can make life a little hard. I just think Oregon has a little bit too much on their side for them to lose this game. LSU Oklahoma. Oklahoma 9-2. They're gonna be in the playoff no matter what, I think, as long as they don't get blown out by LSU. Because they are they do already have two losses on the year. So I'm not gonna sit here and guarantee that they have a spot, but I think they're in a very good spot as long as they either stay competitive in this game, if not, just win. But LSU, they've kind of been a broken team for a while now. They should not win this game whatsoever. So if Oklahoma loses, it would just prove my point they never deserve to be in a playoff situation anyway. Vandy, Texas. Sorry, Vandy, Vanderbilt's going to Tennessee. This is a both these teams in Tennessee, obviously. Vanderbilt sitting on the outside of the playoff, they really, I don't think they really have a shot to get into the playoff either way. Because the two losses that they have, even though Vanderbilt has been a pretty decent team all year, and the fact that they are at a point where they can go 10-2 in a season, I think this is the first, if they go 10-2 this year, this is the first time they've won 10 games since like 1915.

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Oh yeah.

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So it's been a long time. So, and then Tennessee, they really have no shot getting to the playoff at all, but they are playing for a little bit of like state pride, doing it that way. So is Tennessee gonna be willing to go out there and play their best as a spoiler to Vanderbilt, is gonna be a big question, especially with Tennessee being at home. They have a rabbit fan base that that um that stadium gets rocking, it's gonna be a very hard situation for Vanderbilt to go play. But again, Vanderbilt, Diego Pavia, he has been a guy with a lot of moxie, believes in himself more than anything. And if anybody can make the impossible possible, I think he has proven that's to really be that way for them over the last couple years. He just has a little bit of magic to him, a little bit too much moxie. The crazy what the fact that they go from him to his mom twerking in the stands. Do you know she's like currently going out like Theo Vaughn? That whole thing started from like a social media thing where Theo Vaughn was like, hey, he asked um over social media, can I have can I go out with your mom? And Diego Pavia is like, if we win this game, I'll let you go out with my mom. And they won the game. Is his mom font? She has a little bit of a MILF vibe to her.

SPEAKER_10: 38:30

How old is Steele Vaughn? Steel Vaughn's like 30.

SPEAKER_04: 38:33

He's in his 30s. Is it mid-30s? But no, it's just a whole thing. There's a lot of there's a lot, it's a great story, but I just don't think Vanderbilt's a good enough team to be in the playoffs, to be totally honest. Like an overall team. I think they have a lot of magic, think they had a pretty decent schedule, and they've played very well. But the big best teams they've played, they've lost too. Hence those two losses that they have. But uh, but they if they win this game, they definitely have a chance of getting in. And then Bama, Auburn, like I said earlier, if Bama loses this game, they're out of the playoff altogether. And I think Auburn, Auburn is like, even though they're all they're five and six team right now, their offense is kind of bad. That's been the difference. I think their defense is actually championship worthy. They have a lot of good players in their defense. I think they I think they can make life really hard in Alabama's offense. And if Alabama doesn't show up to play, I think Auburn can really stun Alabama to kind of make this a close game, if not all the way win, because Alabama has not been good over the last few weeks. But they've been winning and they've been doing what they have to do. But Auburn can pull off the upset if their defense comes to play, and if they can find some sort of offense against that Alabama defense, I think Auburn does have a chance, but I will lean Alabama to win it. USC plays UCLA. You all UCLA is a dead team. You USC should have no shot of losing this game. True. You're not you're not wrong on that. But I just think that USC. I'm not sure about Lincoln Riley. I'm not sure if he's because there was rumblings that he may leave USC to go somewhere else. But I'm not sure how that's gonna go. But if he does, if he is supposed to say they're like, I don't think there's any chance he wants to lose this football game at all. Because losing to UCLA would definitely be one to like make everybody question him altogether. And then that is about it for all the other games. So let's just get to the big one, the one that you want to wait till last on. Michigan plays Ohio State. Sorry, team up north. I don't I I always since we do a podcast, I don't want to just say team up north all the time, so I've kind of like defaulted to actually saying their name.

SPEAKER_10: 40:35

You don't drive around Columbus a lot.

SPEAKER_04: 40:37

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_10: 40:37

There is a banner on Crew Stadium that says go visit that team up north.

SPEAKER_04: 40:43

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_10: 40:44

In parentheses, not that far north. We're talking about Akron. And I was I would I looked at it on my way into work and I was like, that's funny. That is funny. Sorry. That's all I cared about. Uh back talk about your dad.

SPEAKER_04: 40:56

They're not my dad. Four-no. They're over the last four years, they have beat us four years in a row. Yes. Ohio State plays the team up north. They're going to Ann Orbiter play this game. Ohio State is a nine and a half point favorite as of right now.

SPEAKER_10: 41:12

That's surprising.

SPEAKER_04: 41:13

I did bet Ohio State plus 10.5. So it's kind of going the other way. So I'm probably going to have to make another bet because of how confident I am we're going to win this game. Again, I was confident last year, but that was proven that we lost. But I think Ryan Day has learned his lesson.

SPEAKER_09: 41:26

Sure, sure, sure.

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But going into this game, what do I see as football teams? Ohio State is a much better team. Defensively, they are by far the best defense in all college football. And I think even with the defense that we had that looked so good last year that won the national championship, I think the defense is even better now. We have a much, I think we have the best linebacker duo in all the country. We have Caleb Downs, which I think is the best defensive player in the country. I've mentioned the linebacking duo, but Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles, Arvell is an absolute alien, and Sonny Styles might be the best off-ball linebacker in all the country. And Arvell, like I said, he is a freakazoid alien and he can run down anybody. And I don't, I don't, as much as I think Bryce Young is a great runner, I don't think he's quick in short area. And I think with that being Bryce Young? No, Bryce Underwood.

SPEAKER_10: 42:15

You said Bryce Young.

SPEAKER_04: 42:16

Did I say Bryce Young? Yeah. Bryce Underwood. He is more of a strider, so I don't think he's going to be able to get away from Arvell Reese in a short, short area. Defense, I just think all around is better. And then all and then against that Michigan offense, I just think Bryce Underwood has been under, not I'm not going to say underachieving. He's been a young quarterback, been proving to be a young quarterback, making a lot of weird decisions all year. They played their best game last week, but they're going to be down their best running back. Um they're going to be down to their second string and their third string. And even their second string is a little bit hurt. And they they're also their fullback, the guy that kind of really makes that running game go. He's dinged up. He may not even play in this game. So, and I just think Underwood, if they put too much in his shoulders, I think the defense where Ohio State will eat them alive because they use so many different coverages and they're going to confuse him, make bait him into making some decisions he shouldn't want to make. And then when it comes to Ohio State's offense against their defense, Michigan's defense is not as good as it's been in years past. I agree. Including last year, where they had two top like first-round pick defensive linemen. They were both top 15 picks. Right. So Ma I think it was Mason Graham. Mason Graham and I forget the other guy's name. Two top 15 picks. They were awesome. And I think Ryan Day got played into play giving Michigan the one team up north the one chance they had to win that game.

SPEAKER_10: 43:47

Got played. No. We try to win it by playing hardball and running the ball up the gut. He played, he thought of it like a dumbass. He didn't get played into anything. No, no. I made a dumbass decision trying to prove I can run the ball. Trying to prove a point. Try to prove a point. I can do this. I can outtuff you. Yes. You know, he made a stupid ass decision, a bone-headed ass decision, and lost you a game.

SPEAKER_04: 44:08

Right. It wasn't because of the players that we lost this game. It was the Will Howard pick didn't really help. But I think he got concussed. He probably shouldn't have been out there.

SPEAKER_10: 44:16

I guarantee he was fucking concussed.

SPEAKER_04: 44:19

But we didn't have a number two quarterback that we believed in to kind of go out there and play, so we let him play anyway. And then on top of the fact that Ryan Day tried to outtuugh up that team up north in a way that just didn't make any sense. Go out there and win your game.

SPEAKER_10: 44:35

That stupid ass face Ryan Day makes.

SPEAKER_04: 44:38

Yeah. When they were fighting over the flag and he it was he was like staring off into space like he was living in his own world.

SPEAKER_10: 44:46

He does it every fucking year.

SPEAKER_04: 44:49

Because it's devastating. I don't I think it was devastating. And you know what's crazy? I've come to this point where when I'm because I'm gonna get nervous, I know I'm nervous about the game already, but I'm gonna be very nervous when this game starts. I'm not nervous for my sake. Because I think going through what I went through last year, I told you before the podcast started, I think it was a sobering moment for me, right? We lost to them four years in a row, and then it felt like the world was over, it felt like everything was falling to pieces, and then Ohio State pulls off the greatest four-game streak in the playoff history to go win the national championship and prove themselves they were the best team in the country, right? And by that sobering moment, I mean like losing to that team up north does not end your season anymore. For so long in my life, it was proven that this game was the end all be all. This game was it. If you didn't beat them, you had no chance to go and achieve any of the other dreams you had for the end of the for the rest of the year. Okay. But because of the playoff structure, how it is now with the 12-team playoff, and as long as Ohio State does their business in the rest of the season, which they always will, because I think of all the teams in all the country, I think Ohio State is the most consistent team that no matter the coach, no matter the spot in history, they're gonna be a great program, the top five program in all the country because they just it's just that's that's the program Ohio State is. So as long as Ohio State handles handles their business the rest of the way, a mission a team losing the team up north is not gonna end your season anymore. So now looking at this game now, where I will be devastated if we lose again, I for sure will be. But it's not gonna be the end of the season, it's not gonna be the end of everything. There is a the sun will come out tomorrow to a certain extent because Ohio State's goals are still there, even if you lose to the team up north, okay? I'm more nervous for Ryan Day because I like him. I really do. I I I have grown to appreciate, I've liked him ever since the start, but even him going through all of his trials and tribulations, seeing him become the coach that he has become over these last few years and going through all these troubles, the fact that his family was dealing with the problems that they were doing because some Ohio State fans are crazy and they were harassing his his children, his wife, everything is inbound until you start going after people that aren't involved in the situation whatsoever. So, like, that's the stuff that I actually feel more fear about this game for. Me, I'll be devastated for a couple days, but I'll get over it. There's still a world out there, and I think there's still a chance Ohio State, even if you lose this game, can still go and achieve all the goals that they have for this, not all the goals, but the biggest goals, right? When does he lose his job over this? He won't. That because that's the thing, because I think Ohio State, even though the fans are crazy, I think Ohio State as a university understands that if you are as long as you are at the point where Ohio State is at the forefront of college ball, which is what they are every year, even if you lose to the team up north, I don't think they're crazy enough to be like, hey, we're gonna get rid of a coach that wins not 85 to 90 percent of his games, wins national titles, and then you have a tr you have a problem with a team up north, yeah, for sure, that's an issue.

SPEAKER_10: 47:59

I think most fans don't feel that way.

SPEAKER_04: 48:01

I I I I I I think I told you this last year. I'm not gonna try to convince them otherwise, but I truly have come to the conclusion where I think in general last year has taught me that beating that team up north as many times as you do it and as many, like as much as you can, that uh the memory of doing that is never gonna meet the memory of being a national champion. I wouldn't know. No, for sure. I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to make a joke at you, but I'm just saying like that.

SPEAKER_10: 48:32

Let me ask you a question. When does this become the same thing with Alabama that the head coach of Alabama's dealing with? When are the fans gonna get so annoying that they're that either he's gonna have to leave or they're gonna have to fire him?

SPEAKER_04: 48:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_10: 48:44

Because of the all of Columbus, we'll do all of Columbus, 20% of them care more about the national championship.

SPEAKER_04: 48:54

It's a it's younger fans.

SPEAKER_10: 48:56

Any of the older fans 30 and under is probably a great margin for it.

SPEAKER_04: 49:00

National championships matter more.

SPEAKER_10: 49:02

You guys want to have seen beat you've beat Michigan almost all of your entire lives. Fuck from what I can remember. Last time I truly remember y'all losing to him was like fucking 08. It was 20, 11. But again, that's the first time I truly remember you guys losing to them.

SPEAKER_04: 49:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 49:17

So most of you've lived your whole life of we don't lose to Michigan.

SPEAKER_04: 49:21

Right.

SPEAKER_10: 49:21

Compared to like our stepfather, who he's like, yeah, it was a back and forth affair for 20 years.

SPEAKER_04: 49:25

Yeah, you lived through the 90s, you lived through the like the 10-year war.

SPEAKER_10: 49:28

Back and forth, right?

SPEAKER_04: 49:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 49:30

So you're the fans of it's okay. National championships mean more. Right. Compared to our stepfather probably cares a little more about beating Michigan. For sure. Um like uh Jay. He prefers not national championship means more.

SPEAKER_04: 49:44

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_10: 49:45

He's only he's 29.

SPEAKER_04: 49:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 49:48

Uh I know guys at work, a guy named Byrne, he is 38. Beating Michigan's everything. Yeah. So I would say to about 80% of Columbus, beating Michigan is everything.

SPEAKER_04: 50:01

I somebody I was listening to some podcast and they asked this question of the of a Ohio State fan. He's like, hey, if this hypothetical, would you rather beat that team up north and then get into the playoffs, win a couple games, but ultimately be kicked out of the playoff because you lose, or lose to the team up north but go win another national championship for a second year in a row? It's a real question. Like, and this dude is like sits in the demographic, he's younger, actually, he's like in his like young early 30s, and he's like, in my mind, because he works for Barcelona, he's like, in my mind, I want to win another national championship. That's something that's legendary, right? When but so, but when I when he has to deal with this day to day, having to deal with work for a guy that's a big uh team up north fan, he's like, that would ruin my day-to-day life. But I know in my brain, winning an Ass championship means more. It means more. I agree.

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As a Michigan State fan, I would give anything in the fucking world to beat Michigan every fucking year. I hate Ohio State. But I've come to learn in my teenage years from fucking 14 when I really became from like because I became a bang, like a true Bengals fan, started like my sixth grade year. But from 14 when I really started caring about Michigan State, I really started following them. I met so many Michigan fans in high school. These motherfuckers are insufferable. Yeah. They are insufferable. Yeah. Fucking former uh I don't know who it is. It's one of the um he works on one of the news TV channels. Oh, does? I can't fucking stand that motherfucker. I can't stand him. Yeah, Desmond Howard, yeah. He is the I I like two or three years ago, I didn't understand why you hate him so much. He's a clown. I listen to him talk, I'm like, oh, this dude sucks. He's a clown. And as I've I've grown older, I would give anything in the world to beat Michigan every fucking year until the end of fucking time. And I was never winning out of the championship. I'd give anything for it. Because I've come to learn my hatred for Ohio State was my it was the same as my hatred for you. Yeah. As we've gotten older, I don't hate Ohio State. I think you are too good for your conference. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 52:26

Maybe.

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And Common Man and T Common Man was talking, I'm about T-Bone and um Tez were talking about it on, and he was like, Rutgers is like a and he was like, There's very few teams that get to play an in-conference game that's a scrimmage. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm driving this big ass truck and I go, that's fucking wild.

SPEAKER_04: 52:44

Both Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate didn't play, and we're like, ah, we'll win it.

SPEAKER_10: 52:47

We still beat him by three touchdowns.

SPEAKER_04: 52:49

42 to 9, dude. No, it was wild.

SPEAKER_10: 52:52

It was 24 to 7. Yeah, we beat him 42 to 9. But again, that's an in-conference game. Yeah. You're talking, but here's the other problem is the bottom five of the big ten, or they're horrendous.

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Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 53:08

Then you have a lot of middling teams, USCs, the UCLAs, blah blah blah, like kinda good. They're not great, but they're okay. Uh and then you have the top three.

SPEAKER_04: 53:22

Ohio State, Oregon.

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And then it's a revolving door of whoever's three.

SPEAKER_04: 53:28

Three and four, Indiana, Penn State.

SPEAKER_10: 53:31

From three down, three to five is a revolving door of a different team.

SPEAKER_04: 53:35

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 53:36

Sometimes Penn State's a decent recurve. It'll recur. They'll be there. But they're never gonna win a big game, so they're really not a threat.

SPEAKER_04: 53:43

Right.

SPEAKER_10: 53:44

Indiana, their defense is horrendous. They're not a threat. You're gonna get to this Big Ten game and probably fucking body them.

SPEAKER_04: 53:51

Oh yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_10: 53:53

So that's what I hate about Ohio State. You're too you're too good for your conference. Oregon's the next best team, and I think you guys are leagues better than Oregon. You've been the leagues better than Oregon for like the last three years.

SPEAKER_04: 54:03

Yeah, we proved in the in the in the playoff last year, and then this year, Oregon hasn't been the same team in Ohio State. This is supposed to be like a refresh year for Ohio State because you're losing, they lost so many guys on defense to the draft.

SPEAKER_10: 54:18

And then our defense got better. When it comes to recruiting, you have no other thing. It's not hard for you.

SPEAKER_04: 54:24

Oregon is an issue, though. They they throw money like crazy.

SPEAKER_10: 54:27

True. It's an issue. You're getting every top prospect from Ohio.

SPEAKER_04: 54:32

Not every, but most of the ones that Ohio is 90%. Most of the ones that Ohio State really wants, they're gonna get.

SPEAKER_10: 54:38

Yeah. Sonny Styles. That's a great one. Jack Sawyer, that's a great one.

SPEAKER_04: 54:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 54:42

I agree. Any kid that's Ohio and he's a four-star or above, this motherfucker's not even thinking about it.

SPEAKER_04: 54:47

It's not even just that. They can go to Florida and get Jeremiah Smith from Florida. They can just pluck him out.

SPEAKER_10: 54:54

That's the other thing is you have such a great receivers coach of hey, here's my resume. Go check their contracts.

SPEAKER_04: 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 55:01

That's my resume. Yeah. Of you have they're guaranteed locks. Defensive players for OSU. It's up and down for every position.

SPEAKER_04: 55:12

I don't know. It's getting better now.

SPEAKER_10: 55:13

It's getting to a point like you produce some shitty DBs. I don't give a fuck what you're saying. You produce shitty DBs. The only good one I can really think of is Denzel Ward. And that's fucking it.

SPEAKER_04: 55:20

Marshawn for a little bit about injuries. Marshawn went healthy was like a top.

SPEAKER_10: 55:25

Marshawn Vladimir was drafted in like 2014, my nigga. Yeah, but he got- That was 10 years ago. That was 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_04: 55:32

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_10: 55:33

Fine. You produce shitty DBs.

SPEAKER_04: 55:36

We did have like a three or four year span where our defense took a real hit and went downhill, but we're kind of coming back now. We're starting to produce linebackers. We're starting to like to.

SPEAKER_10: 55:44

That's what I'm getting to.

SPEAKER_04: 55:45

You guys produce solid defensive linemen. And great defensive ends. We've had the Bosa's. We've had we've had Chase Young come out and do well. You guys produce solid defensive linemen. They're not always superstars. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 55:57

You're like a you're hitting like a 50-50.

SPEAKER_04: 55:59

Yeah, but then but if even if they're not superstars, they'll be NFL players that'll go play for a while.

SPEAKER_10: 56:04

They're going to be in the NFL for a while. Sam Hubbard's a good one. Joey Bosa, but do all his injuries still in the NFL. Chase Young, through his injuries, still in the NFL. They're still putting up eight to nine sacks again. Yeah. They are serviceable NFL players. So you have Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa are probably like the upper actual ones.

SPEAKER_04: 56:20

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 56:21

But again, everything about OSU is too good for their conference. Yeah. That is my biggest gripe about OSU fucking nine of your games.

SPEAKER_04: 56:33

They get to go out and beat up on everybody else.

SPEAKER_10: 56:35

It is a gimme game. You are playing glorified Mac teams of the bottom half of the Big Ten. Real quick. See, I had a bunch of shit to say because I remember this. Michigan State is one of the bottom five. Maryland's one of the bottom five. Rutgers, those are some of the bottom five teams in the last five years. Guess how many times they've lost a Mac team. Rutgers has yet not beat a Mac team in four years. Ruggers lost to four different fucking Mac teams. Maryland's lost in three. Um three plus two plus a four. That's nine fucking Mac teams. We're losing to Mac teams.

SPEAKER_05: 57:26

It happens, man. No! It doesn't.

SPEAKER_10: 57:31

You're too big for the conference. The thing you said you said this like five, ten years ago, five, six years ago now. Like the top 15 schools need to make a different conference. Not with the NCAA.

SPEAKER_04: 57:46

Yeah, that's when the thing is like eventually the best colleges, the best schools will just make a big super league and kind of become become like the NFL of college football type of thing.

SPEAKER_10: 57:57

And I'm kind of I'm getting okay with that. I'm getting okay with that.

SPEAKER_04: 58:03

Because it does get to a point where it seems like there's teams that are playing a different sport than the other college football teams, obviously.

SPEAKER_10: 58:09

There's no way that it's 42 on an FCS school.

SPEAKER_04: 58:15

Sorry, on an FBS school.

SPEAKER_10: 58:18

Uh on a school that is in your division and has been in your division for several years. I want you to orient go somewhere the fuck else and let us deal with us. Let us be by ourselves.

SPEAKER_04: 58:39

I I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05: 58:41

I do.

SPEAKER_10: 58:42

I like I just that's my only grab with you. Michigan fans. The year where Michigan State dog walked the fuck out of them.

SPEAKER_05: 58:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 58:50

This is when the same year they were fucking cheating too.

SPEAKER_05: 58:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 58:53

And we dog walked you. True. But they beat beat Ohio State, so they're still better than Michigan State. And I'm like, that don't make sense. We beat you by three touchdowns.

SPEAKER_04: 59:02

I agree.

SPEAKER_10: 59:03

I hate Michigan with the facts.

SPEAKER_04: 59:05

And they're that the whole the whole cheating scandal just kind of brought it all to a head because they want to, on one hand, say they're Michigan men, and like, oh, they would never do anything like that. And they they want to fight it until the dogs come home, and then on the other side, when it's proven that they did something wrong, it's like, well, we won, so it doesn't matter. And then it comes like I'm just like, you can't have it both ways. And a lot of times when you try to have a conversation about them cheating, it does, oh, it didn't matter.

SPEAKER_10: 59:32

We won anyway, who cares?

SPEAKER_04: 59:34

Right. I'm just sitting there like you can't even have a rational conversation with a lot with a lot of those fans. And again, it's probably they probably think the same thing of Ohio State fans. So I'm not going to sit here and be like, it's a it's a specific experience at all that only Ohio State fans would have with those team, that team up north fans. But it just when I look at this, getting closer back to the game, if Ohio State does what they're supposed to do on Friday. Learned his lesson. We should win this game by multiple touchdowns. Take it away. Have no chance. Heck, even last year, the team up north didn't, they only scored 13 points. Ohio State's defense did what they were supposed to do. It was Ryan Day having a brand neeurism out there on the field, playing the game the wrong way, putting those players in a bad position. But what I'm looking for is what he did after that game, where he self-assessed and those players, because it's coming out in stories and different things, that they checked him. Those players checked him and said, Hey, why did you put us in a bad position to lose this game, in a position for us to lose this game? Because we're good enough. It was you that made that was the problem that made us lose this game. And I think Ryan Day learned his lesson last year.

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I don't think he did.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:47

And I don't think Ryan Day is going to fall into that same trap. And I think as long as he does that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:00:50

Taking him four years to learn his lesson?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:53

No, the first two years they were cheating. They were cheating the first two years. It is what it is. They knew what plays we had. Your bitch has lost a Dax too. I don't give two fucks. They knew what play was coming. Even in Mad, you can't make it to where you know what play is coming all the time because that's it's just not how the game works.

SPEAKER_10: 1:01:14

Kev, you're playing. You can't even cheat to basically fucking call him the play for him.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:19

So I'm just looking at it as I think Ryan Day has learned his lesson. I think we'll have. I'll be there to play. I'll be ready to go. Carnell Tate's a little bit different of an issue. It's an Achilles injury, apparently. And we all know if you watch any sort of basketball, Achilles hurts, and then you go out there and play on it, pop, pop, and then you're out for a season. But here's, and this is somebody made a perfect point. Jamison Williams tore his ACL in the SEC championship game and still got drafted 12th overall. If you're good enough, they're gonna draft you in the first round no matter fucking what.

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Yeah, yeah, we drafted John Ross. He had blown his Achilles.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:12

So I think to a certain, I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and tell Carnell Tate what he should or shouldn't do.

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:17

I don't know. Carnell Tate's a great receiver.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:20

He's a first round. He's locked himself into the first round.

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:23

He's a great receiver.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:24

But if he has a few more games like he was having before he got the injury, he will be a top 10, 15 pick.

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:30

Again, he's a great receiver. I don't think he's that good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:34

Yes, he is.

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:35

That's crazy. No, he's not.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:37

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:38

He's probably the worst receiver you've produced so far. No. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:46

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:48

No. Yeah, he's the worst receiver you've produced by far.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:51

He has prototypical size.

SPEAKER_10: 1:02:54

He's not the better than Terry McClorn.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:57

Yeah, he has prototypes. He has the size. Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:01

No, he's not.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:02

Nobody can say what Terry McClorn turned out to be in the pros. It was even better than what he was at Ohio State.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:07

Michael Thomas.

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No.

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Kara Wilson.

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No. No. No.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:18

That's just five to name a few.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:20

But those are all top 10 picks.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:22

Oh. Jackson Smith and Jigba.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:24

Sorry, sorry, those are top 15 picks. Sorry.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:25

Jackson Smith and Jigba. Pick 23.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:28

Yeah, he was underdrafted because people didn't understand how good he was at Ohio State. Anybody that watched him play at Ohio State understood how good he was, and now everybody's starting to understand now that he's leading the NFL. Huh? I think I think NFL teams will get more nanoworth Carnell Tate because he has NFL size.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:44

Is he better than Jackson Smith and Jigba's?

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:46

No, coming out, no. Jack Smith and Jason is a good one. Marvin Harrison.

SPEAKER_10: 1:03:49

No. Oh, cool. So he's the worst receiver you've produced by far. He has prototypical size. That means jack fucking shit. He's not that fast. He can run rounds pretty well.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:00

He will run a he will run a 4-5. He will be right there.

SPEAKER_10: 1:04:04

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:06

You don't need to be the fast receiver out there. That's been proven. As long as you know how to play, how to because there's no doubt he knows how to play the wide receiver position. He will be another Matcake Buca in the NFL. Like I'm he will be that type of, he will have an impact no matter where he goes. He will be a he will be able to produce right away.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:24

I don't know. I don't trust anything you said ever saying Brennan Innis was good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:29

I got excited about him being in the slot. That's all me.

SPEAKER_10: 1:04:32

Yeah, I know. There was a nigga who only got six receptions and almost as many yards has as as many yards as he does in this fucking year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:38

Yeah, I understand. All they did was play Rutgers.

SPEAKER_10: 1:04:40

Real quick, Brennan's Brennan Innis was the number one receiver during that game, and there's a dude, you know, his number two receiver got six receptions and almost had as many yards as Brennan Brennan Innis currently has for the year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:53

Yes, and I've made this point.

SPEAKER_10: 1:04:54

If you don't get this random nigga off my fucking radar, you disrespected Meka Buka by saying he was they were similar. You disrespected that man. Whoever this random Brennan Innis nigga is. I didn't say he was fucking Colorado.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:12

I didn't say he was as good as a Mekbuka. I said he'd be able to produce as much as Emeka Buka, and that wasn't the case. Because I got excited by him being in the slot, and it hasn't worked out that way because we have, you know, a Max Clare, a very good tight end that's on the inside that's also taking away touches from him. And on maybe on top of the fact that he's not as good as I thought he was. He was he wasn't, not even close. So I just thought he was gonna be able to produce a lot because he'd be a very good safety blanket for Julian Sand, being a young quarterback, wanting to get shorter routes and stuff like that. But guess what? Julian Sand came out and said, Hey, I have Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith on the outside, I'm gonna throw to those guys. I'm gonna throw to those aliens. So that's what exactly what he did. And Carnell, getting back to Carnell Tate, I'm not gonna sit here and tell him what he should or shouldn't do.

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Don't play.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:00

If there's a chance that you can go out there, because it's it's because he's never beat Michigan. No, he hasn't.

SPEAKER_10: 1:06:08

He probably will play. But if I am him, there's more money in my future. In my near future.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:16

But that's the point I was making, is that he's gonna he's gonna get drafted high anyway. He's gonna be a first, he's a first-round wide receiver.

SPEAKER_10: 1:06:21

But there's a difference between top 50, top 20 and top 10. Because there's teams in the top 10 who are going to need a receiver.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:30

Yeah, but he's not gonna nobody's gonna take him in the top 10 if he doesn't, if he sits at where he's at right now. If he has another couple great games, I think it'll get him there. Again, somebody took Jay took Jameson Willis in the top at 12. The Lions took him at 12 with a torn ACL.

SPEAKER_10: 1:06:50

He was way better at the time. Now, again, he wasn't sharing touches.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:56

He had to go to Alabama to be the number one guy for sure. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 1:07:01

So it's a little different. But again, he's sharing touches, so he's only sitting at like 700 yards and like eight touchdowns. If he can't know, he's sitting at six touchdowns because Jeremiah Smith's sitting at 10.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:11

If he can play, go ahead. But only having Jeremiah Smith, I get, I think, is more than enough because I don't think Michigan's set team up north secondary is good enough to stop our receivering unit. And I think Julian Saiyan, even no matter what they do, if they want to blitz him, he's great against a blitz, he knows where to get the ball to, he makes great decisions, he's not gonna throw the football to the other team.

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One more time. Why the fuck does everybody keep talking about a Heisman moment? And I keep sitting, I'm like, he doesn't the other guys who have had the Heisman moment, yeah, have almost dug your themselves a hole to where they have to be transcendent to get them out of the hole.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:07:47

Isn't it more impressive that Julian Sand don't dig no holes so you don't have to get him out himself out of any holes?

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:53

Yeah, but then they're gonna say, oh, but look at the receivers he has, he doesn't have to do that much, and I'm like, that's not that's not the point. If you're a quarterback that has great stats, you're throwing to somebody. Fernando Mendoza, as much as he may not have a Jeremiah Smith or Cornell Tate, but he has two very good receivers, and he's gonna have a Heisman. He's like he played badly in some of those games, but he managed to come back and they still won the game.

SPEAKER_10: 1:08:19

And it's a Heisman moment, right? That's the thing is Julian Saiyan is yet to truly play bad. Isn't that now? No one has like a shit ton of yards this year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:30

No. College football has kind of gone backwards a little bit when it comes to that because of the clock rules. I think college ball teams are starting to be like, hey, we have 16 games. We're not gonna play pedal the metal all the time. I feel like there's a little bit of an NFL shift. There's an NFL shift in a way that college ball teams play.

SPEAKER_10: 1:08:47

Good balance to college football now. It's where running the ball is now a lot more effective than it used to be at some point at points. Like back in 2014, running the ball was fucking non-existent.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:55

Controlling the game by running the football is a lot more appealing now. It is because of clock rules, it really does. It's NFL like.

SPEAKER_10: 1:09:03

But again, it's just there is not a better college football quarterback than Julian's.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:09

I just think the Joe Burrow season of having 60 touchdowns is not gonna happen anymore. It's just not. It's just not, it's just not gonna happen. It's just like having that much because you know how fast that LSU played? You can't no team's gonna sit there and play like that all the time anymore.

SPEAKER_10: 1:09:24

I do remember that. They uh they were just throwing that bitch out.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:29

They were just throwing it, they didn't care, but again, their defense wasn't as great and they were in a lot of shootouts.

SPEAKER_10: 1:09:33

He also didn't have a lot of interceptions, though.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:34

Right, exactly, but he was very efficient.

SPEAKER_10: 1:09:36

But I'm just like playing that I think he only had like nine.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:39

Playing at that pace at every game in the season is not gonna happen because of how many games that they have to play throughout the year now. If you win a national championship, you're playing 16 games. So, like, NFL, it's really NFL conservative, controlling the game. Like, you're playing a Mac team now, you're not gonna sit there and just put up 70. You're like, hey, let's run the football a little bit, let's work on some things.

SPEAKER_10: 1:10:01

And then still put up 70.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:02

Yeah, let's do it. Like, but they're not gonna sit here like, hey, we're just gonna throw it 40 times.

SPEAKER_10: 1:10:06

We're gonna do it in 24 chunks of each quarter.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:09

I think Oh Hassan's doing better than anybody else, but I think that's what the college ball is doing in general.

SPEAKER_10: 1:10:14

So I the shit makes me question all the time of I'll look at the score, it's like 14 to 7. I'm like, what the fuck are y'all doing? And I'll look at it again, and it's like, uh, 58 to 3 to 7.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:24

Yeah. Uh it's just like, so Tima North, we should win the game. As long as Ryan Day has learned his lesson. I think he has. Ohio State's a much better team than he were last year. And as the spread isn't as big, so last year was a 20-point spread. Now it's only at 9.5. I'm gonna bet it both ways no matter what. I think Ohio State does what they have to do, and I think they're going to put up fireworks. I really do think Ryan Day's gonna run the score up. I don't think he cares. I think he wants to r nip this rivalry stuff, and not nip the whole rivalry, but nip the he can't beat team up north stuff in the in the in the nip it in the bud. And he wants to get to this Ohio State team going to, you know, get some bigger goals that they have on their list to get done this year. Because I think Julian Sand is gonna make great decisions, he's gonna get the ball, and I think, heck, I think uh Underwood is going to I think he's gonna throw some picks. I think it's gonna be it's gonna be um why am I oh no, no, no. Caleb Downs is gonna bait him into a decision he doesn't want to make, and I think he's gonna get a pick in this game. So I think Ohio State wins this game, they're gonna win it by multiple scores. 14 to 21 points. I really do. I think this is I think this is the year, man. I really do.

SPEAKER_08: 1:11:39

Alright, bro. You sound like a delusional cowboys fan now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:43

I may be, but I also, if you look at these two teams in paper, if you put if you take the names, if you take the Ohio State, take all the color, take all everything off the helmets and everything off the uniforms, you just look at these two teams, Ohio State is the much better football team.

SPEAKER_10: 1:11:56

That was great. They were last year too.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:57

So they were.

SPEAKER_10: 1:11:59

I'm just saying, history tends to repeat itself.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:02

Do you have a do you let me ask you this question? The you don't have any skin in this game. Would you put money on the machine to win the team up north win this game? I wouldn't bet on it, but I could foresee it. You really think they win this game? Like, for like do you have real conviction on team up north winning this game? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:12:24

Four years is a long fucking time to not learn a fucking mistake. Four years is a long fucking time to I'm gonna fuck up and run the ball straight at a team.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:33

That happened last year, not that the years before that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:12:35

That's fine. Okay, cool. Yeah. You lost to a motherfucker who couldn't throw the ball down the field. You lost a fucking JJ McCarthy. That's who beat you. Yeah, he did. Fuck if they knew your plays. You were you've been the better team for four fucking years. The year they went to the national championship, they were not better than you.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:54

They were better than us.

SPEAKER_10: 1:12:55

No, their roster was not better than yours.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:57

Our defense was awful.

SPEAKER_10: 1:12:59

Your roster was by far way fucking better than the better than them.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:04

Your goddamn offense was so much better than them. Oh, by the way, we had Kyle McCord that year, too. They were better than us.

SPEAKER_10: 1:13:10

My bad. The year before, where you had CJ Stroud.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:14

They were cheating the two the two CJ Stroud years. They cheated.

SPEAKER_10: 1:13:18

Yeah, Ryan Day also probably called the shittiest offense I've ever seen in my fucking life. No, CJ Stroud was out there fighting for his fucking life.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:26

He threw for 350 yards in those games. He didn't get it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:13:29

Some of those catches weren't fucking made because he was out there fighting for his life because your O-line was shit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:34

It wasn't our O-line. It was our defense that was letting them get big running plays that kind of kept them be able to control the game. In those two years, they were cheating, and our defense was not as good. Okay. And then in the cut in the Kyle McCord year, he it was Kyle McCord. They were the Dational Championship team. They were the much better team than us that year. That year, they were the better team.

SPEAKER_10: 1:13:53

I disagree.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:54

They were and you dropped the ball in the fact we're gonna be a little bit more. If we would have had CDA Stroud in that game, we probably would have won it. But Kyle McCord was our quarterback, and that it was what it was. Last year, Ryan Day shit down his own leg and we beat ourselves in that game. That team up north did not beat us. We beat ourselves. And that's exactly what happened. And I think Ryan Day has learned his lesson, specifically in that way. I don't think Ryan Day is going to sit there and run up the middle and say, hey, we're just gonna keep running the football down the middle of the of the middle of the defense and help out that way. Here's the thing, even if that was the case, team up north, they don't have as good of a defense they had last year. They don't have two first-round picks at defensive tackle anymore. So all of that being the case, I think Ryan Day has learned his lesson, and I think Ohio State will get will make the make the world a little bit better a place by being on top of this rivalry for next year.

SPEAKER_10: 1:14:46

I'm not putting blind faith in somebody that should have won this game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:49

I don't expect you to. I don't. I I'm not sitting here saying that this should be on all I might I'm not even saying I don't have doubts. I do. I I think in the in the back of my brain, I have a little bit of like, oh man, what if he hasn't? But I think based off the run they went off last year, I think he's learned his lesson.

SPEAKER_10: 1:15:04

I have been tame about this loss probably the last three years.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:15:07

He you lose again. I'm fucking I am letting loose on you, day of.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_10: 1:15:13

I can't, dude. Because now I got questions for this motherfucker. Because it is a it is an actual fucking hiccup.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:15:21

Because let alone there's a year where you where Michigan is as good as you or you guys are close and you lose this game, it does fuck your season. Michigan's not a team that's gonna stay out and trash forever, especially with a quarterback like Bryce Underwood, who's only going to be getting better. So there's going to be years, probably in the near future, where if you don't win this game, it will fuck you. It is just a fucking crutch in his brain that he can't do it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:47

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 1:15:49

I say you let his ass go. You bounce his ass. Get the fuck out of here. It is crazy to me. What makes Ohio State in my brain is playing Michigan. That's what makes makes them in my brain. I think it is crazy to me that a national championship is worth more than a rivalry that has existed before these fucking hot colleges did. That's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:20

Maybe it is to you.

SPEAKER_10: 1:16:22

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:22

I'm not even saying it's like a it's a hard, it's a hard to-that's a different point.

SPEAKER_10: 1:16:26

Of my team's a lot different than you. I'm cool with a fucking bull game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:31

Right.

SPEAKER_10: 1:16:31

So it's a lot different. You can have higher expectations and higher ambitions, but not beating my rival every fucking year, I'd rather die.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:39

I get what you're saying. I do. I get what you're saying. I do. I think Ryan Day will fix it. I really do. I really think Ryan Day and this team will fix it this year. I really do.

SPEAKER_10: 1:16:51

When it happens, if it happens, I'll give you my apology. I'll give you just dues. He did what he was supposed to do.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:16:58

But if it doesn't, I'm gonna rein hell.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:03

And I'll be ready to accept that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:17:04

I've given Ohio State everything this year. I have nothing bad to say about this team. Anything I had bad to say, it was proven and it showed me what was right. And I don't like being nice. So let Ryan Day give me a shit. And I don't like being nice. I don't like giving Ohio State to Joseph's. I fucking hate Ohio State. I don't hate as much as Michigan, but fuck Ohio State. And if you give another fucking reason, I said all year there is not a team close to you. Indiana frauds. They don't play nobody. They're frauds.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:41

They didn't play Oregon. And beat them in their house.

SPEAKER_10: 1:17:45

Oregon's not that good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:47

They weren't.

SPEAKER_10: 1:17:49

The whole lot of questions of a lot of these top teams. OSU's the only team I got no questions about. Indiana's defense is bad. Oregon's not the team they've been in the past. OSU's the only team I've given you your credit all fucking year. You give me a reason not to give your fucking credit, I'm gonna fucking tear you a new fucking asshole, dude. I know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:12

And I'm willing to accept that. Like I said, I'm more fearful for Ryan Day than I am myself.

SPEAKER_10: 1:18:18

I am like it means more to OSU fans. To majority OSU's fans, Michigan is the end-all, be all. The year ends for them right there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:28

I know. And that's again, I for my mentality, I think that I think that's stupid.

SPEAKER_10: 1:18:32

But again, 10 years from now, it'll be completely fucking different.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:35

Probably. Yeah, no, it for sure will be.

SPEAKER_10: 1:18:36

National championship means everything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:38

Again, my I I've already said this plenty of times. My my world changed when we lost to SEC teams two years in a row in the national championship game when the when the story became Ohio State can't beat the SEC. I think that's when my world changed. That's when a national championship became so important to me. That was it. Like that was the moment. Oh, yes. We did beat we did lose the Clemson that one year, and then Ryan Day had to come back and beat them uh with fields. No, for sure. No, so like, but the the narrative of like Ohio State can't win a national championship because they can't beat the SEC. I think that was when the seed was planted in my brain, and then it has grown itself into not just being a seedling, but a tree in my brain that's like, hey, winning a national championship is the end all be all because that's the only goal that every team in all of college football shares, no matter who you are. And that is something that you could sit on top of everybody. The beating that team up north is a singular personal goal of both Ohio State fans and the Ohio State players. But that national championship is the one thing that you can take that you're taking it from somebody else that feels like they deserve it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:19:47

Another question you think if you're to ask a former OSU player, you think they'd feel the same?

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:53

That hasn't won a championship or that that has? That's the question. He he said winning a national championship was more important.

SPEAKER_10: 1:20:01

I think he's fucking lying. And I I think he's lying because he's an Ohio kid. We're beating Michigan's everyone.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:08

I I think I think he has accepted that not beating them is a big issue. But he said there's no way, because the question comes down to would you rather have won the national championship or beat the team up north? He's like, I'm gonna take the national championship because that's the biggest goal for everybody.

SPEAKER_10: 1:20:23

But I feel like in his brain that's not his goal. No, but in his heart, that may not be.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:27

That's the difference. I think if any type of conventional wisdom, the national championship's the bigger goal, that should be the thing you strive for every year. But in your heart, then that's where the question is for me. In my brain, I'm like, when the national championship is the more important, more the biggest thing you can possibly do, and that you're taking from somebody else. But the beating team up north is a very singular personal goal of just Ohio State in a way that just beating them nationally doesn't matter. Beating team up north doesn't take a championship away from Alabama that could won it or an LSU. They can still go win that championship and they're gonna look at you like fuck you, we're the SEC and we have the national championship, SEC over everything. But you go win a national championship, those teams ain't got nothing to say. They can't say, oh, you beat the teams in your stupid Big Ten conference. No, we went and took it from y'all. If y'all wanted that and we took it from you.

unknown: 1:21:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:26

I'm just like, nobody's gonna sit there and look at me and be like, hey, beating beating the team of the north should be more important than winning a national championship. I'm like, I'll be the first person to say, why not both? But I'm not gonna sit here and be made to feel bad because I want to win, I'm happier about winning my national championship, and I wouldn't give that up even for beating team of north. I wouldn't. That's not how I feel. That's honest. And I and again, the only reason I feel I'd feel bad for how she losing this game, because not only would it be a feel bad for me, but I feel more bad for for Ryan Day, because people will give him shit and give not just him shit. I think giving him shit's more than uh more than fair, but giving his family shit, harassing his family, his kids, his wife, way far. And I think people go way too far about that stuff all the time.

unknown: 1:22:12

Because no shit matters.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:13

It does matter, but it can go way too far, and I think a lot of people go way too far in that matter.

SPEAKER_10: 1:22:20

Yes, there is sentiment with most people. There is no too far when it comes to the bribery.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:24

I think maybe social media has opened the door for harassment in a different way.

SPEAKER_10: 1:22:28

Whatever you want to say, bro. I I disagree with you on this.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:32

That's fine.

SPEAKER_10: 1:22:32

If we were to talk about it like an NFO statement of if we're playing, I'm playing, but I want to play for a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:38

No, my I think my thinking is more of an NFL type style. Like, hey, if you're the Bengals and you lose to the Steelers, that doesn't end your life. Like, hey, we have seven, sixteen other games we have to play, and we can go win a Super Bowl. Like winning, losing a game against a specific team does not end your season in the same way it does in college football.

SPEAKER_10: 1:22:55

But again, a lot of the division opponents you pay you play twice. Right, for sure. It's a lot different in college football.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_10: 1:23:01

It's different.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:02

I I think I have a more NFL style brain when it comes to the goals of the season. In a way that I think a lot of more college football purists, they're like, hey, the original rivalries mean more than anything. The national championships doesn't mean as much. And I'm like, I'm not gonna tell anybody that they're wrong for feeling that way. Just like I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong. Look, I but I think when a national championship is the is the ultimate goal. Right, so you don't even have you don't even have a inspirations.

SPEAKER_10: 1:23:29

You just want to make a bowl game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:30

No, I gotcha. No, I get you.

SPEAKER_10: 1:23:31

So I think it's I would understand the statement more. My team's a consistent 10-win team. But getting a six is hard.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:42

No, you're telling me.

SPEAKER_10: 1:23:44

So I I don't I I don't I look at it differently. Of my team could win one game, and as long as it's against Michigan, that's all that matters to me, compared to you are going to be an 11-win team, a 10-win team, you are making the playoff. It's a difference of we are two different colleges.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:05

Yeah, there's just two different roads here. And I dunno, I'm not saying you when you're telling me these things, you I'm I'm I'm telling you you're wrong. Just like I'm not gonna tell anybody else that they are. But I'm not gonna sit here and feel bad for feeling the way I do either. And that's that's where I sit. Okay. Alright. That's it. We again, like I said, you kind of egged me on to talking longer about it than I wanted to.

unknown: 1:24:25

How long do you talk about it?

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:26

Like a good fit like a good 20 minutes, 20, 30 minutes or so. Like, yeah. We're saying it just at like an hour and 20, so not terrible. Why would you unplug your mic? That is a terrible thing you want that you do. Yeah, it's working now. It's all good. No, you've been talking. No, you were fine. Alright, let's get to the NFL. Let's do the recap of the all the NFL games last week before we get to the um before we get to the prediction of week 13, which is this upcoming week. So, when it comes to our records, last week I went 10-4, Jace went 11-3. The one split we have was the Pittsburgh-Chicago game because, you know, like I said, it was going to happen. As soon as I started believing them a little bit and think they're going to win the football game, they lose because, you know, they suck and Chicago beat us. But let's actually four games ahead now. So let's actually start with that game. I already talked about it. Steelers, Bears. Bears win the game 31-28. Caleb Williams, again, he didn't play great again. But guess what happened? Is that he made the plays that needed to be had. There was a wide open touchdown to DJ Moore for it was insane the fact that he was as open as he was. And even with TJ Watt making the big play of getting the sack fumble in the in the end zone that got Ohio State, I mean, sorry, that got Pittsburgh a touchdown. It didn't matter because the Steelers couldn't get off the field on third down on defense. And for Mason Rudolph, who was a starter in this game, they did not trust him to throw more than 10 yards down the field. And he just kept dinking and dunking all the way down the field, and they couldn't get the job done. The biggest play for Pitts for Pittsburgh was a 50-yard. Did you see the fake tush push they did? It was a fake tush push, and then they all he did was hand it off to our running uh Kenneth Gainwell, and he ran it for like as to the outside and ran it was like a 50-something yard play. I don't know why more teams don't do that. Because they everybody has to commit so much to the tush push. Why won't you kind of make like off variations of that play?

SPEAKER_06: 1:26:35

You were saying that a year ago about the Eagles of why don't they y'all do more trick plays doing this?

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:41

Everybody has to commit so much that you could easily make it happen, but they just keep sticking to it at all times. But it just again, as soon as, like I said, as soon as I start to believe in the Steelers at all, it kind of goes the other way. Offense doesn't is bad. I'm thinking I'm off on the DK Metcalf thing because here's here's what pisses me off more than anything. Old boy, um George Pickens, George Pickens. I hate I grew to hate him. I was a George Pickens apologist for so long until I went to that game last year. I was seeing him not trying, and it totally turned me off for the whole situation, right? But now I'm watching him go to the Cowboys and he's playing the way he's playing right now. He's playing better than C.D. Lamb right now. And he's making big plays, he's getting the ball, and again, he has better quarterback play than anything we can produce right now. So maybe that was the biggest issue. Maybe if we just had a better quarterback to throw to him, we wouldn't have never had the issues that we had with him. But even still, I will still contend that if they don't pay him, if they give him a franchise tag, I think a lot of those issues will still come back up because he does let his emotion get the best of him, especially in football games. If he's not feeling great off the field, he's not gonna come and make the make the decision he needs to make on the field, and he's gonna not try. Not trying is in his DNA, and I feel like that is something that you just can't have in the sport of football. So all those things can definitely be the case, but I'm looking at what we traded for DK Metcalf, that second round pick, and we paid him all that money. I told you it was too much. And then, no, for sure. And I thought we were gonna be able to get close to what I told you it was too much. And it wasn't even close to that because here's the thing maybe it's a little bit less than because our quarterback play is not good and we can't throw the football down the field.

SPEAKER_10: 1:28:21

I don't think I don't think he was ever that good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:24

And it doesn't help that JSN, without DK Metcalf there, is now setting records. You know JSN 11 games through is 11 games in, has already beat DK's record for most yards in a season.

SPEAKER_10: 1:28:37

And it took DK what 14 games?

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:40

No, a whole season.

SPEAKER_10: 1:28:42

11 games.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:43

And he's done it, and he's already beat it in 11 games.

SPEAKER_10: 1:28:45

I told you DK Metcalf was not that good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:48

And I'm seeing this, and like it totally has thrown me off the whole situation. I want to get rid of him too. Trade everybody, hit reset, let's be fucking done.

SPEAKER_10: 1:28:56

I don't understand.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:59

But they're never gonna do it. They're not gonna try. And the first thing is like, you're gonna fire Tom. Like, I don't think Tom's an issue because it's an organizational issue. The organization doesn't want to be bad enough to lose the season because they don't they want to hold on to this we're going after it every year mentality. The Patriots had to be awful for three years and now they're back. They've only lost two games on the year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:20

Three years!

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:21

They did three years of terrible losing and now they're back because guess what? They had a top five pick and pick up Drake May.

SPEAKER_10: 1:29:26

Yeah. You're never gonna turn around pick this last year and got a couple of years.

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:30

You're never gonna get a quarterback of that caliber in the like nowadays. Dude, it's not gonna work. Unless you're willing to give up heaven and earth to go and trade up, like the Kansas City Chiefs did. When they got Patrick Mahomes, they were in the 20s and traded up with Buffalo to get him at pick eleven or something like that, and picked up Patrick Mahomes, one of the biggest mistakes the the Bills ever did. But like that is what you need to do. But guess what? The Steelers are never gonna do that, and they never their evaluation is never good enough. So you have to suck for a little bit. To get back to where you need to go, and the Steelers aren't gonna do that. And that's what pissed me off. That's not Tom Wan's fault. So Tom, I don't think Tom that's necessarily the issue. So I'm just sitting here like, it's just shit ain't gonna change. It's the same shit, different year, same shit, same different year, whatever it is. Different day. It doesn't matter. This is the same Steelers team. I talk to the same Pittsburgh fan at the gym all the time. And he, after this loss, he finally is on my side where I've been negative about him all year. I'm like, this team ain't it. We should be losing games. And he's been like start of the year all positive. He's like, we can do it. Aaron Rodgers can be that guy. And he's like, I'm finally on your side. I think I'm I'm ready to I'm I'm here with you now. And I'm like, unless we beat the Bills, and I'll feel differently. No, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't fall for that fucking trap because it's a it's a bad one. It's not gonna happen. We're not beating the fucking Bills. I don't care. Josh Allen is gonna dick us down. But if we walked up. But even but here's the thing, I think it's actually worse if we beat them because it'll give fans a chance to feel hope again. And I'm like, don't do it. Hope is a terrible drug. It can be a terrible disease that can blind you from the truth, and the Steelers suck. So we lost the Bears. It wasn't a good game. We should have lost. We were terrible. Even though TJ Watt did their thing. Like there were times when the Steelers defense did it, and then they were bad other spots. It's all it's all Patriots, Bengals. Patriots won the game 26 to 20. Did you see the 10 gate the 10 play the 10 play saga where they were at the goal line, and they were 10 plays that they were inside the in at the goal line and couldn't get the touchdown until they finally did, and then it was like it was such a weird thing. The Patriots couldn't get rid of you. You guys did what you had to do. Joe Flacco made some decent plays even without having Jamar Chase. He came out with an apology and didn't say shit about Ramsey. He said, I apologize to the Pittsburgh Steel's organization, I apologize to the Bang's organization, I apologize to the fans, I apologize to everybody, but he did not say Ramsey's name once in that whole two, three paragraphs that he wrote on his statement. I'm like, that's some real hate. That's some real hate right there. Again, I'm never gonna know what Jamar what Ramsey said. I don't think he said anything bad enough to get spit on, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna delve. Unless he said, I'm gonna.

SPEAKER_10: 1:32:22

I watched Jalen Ramsey make AJ Green mad enough to wear an AJ Green swinging at straight helmet. Yeah. Straight helmet. Didn't even try to take his helmet off. He's just swinging it straight helmet. AJ Green, who the year before, shit even up, broke a finger in his hand. Straight helmet.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:41

Look, I know we're real quick.

SPEAKER_10: 1:32:42

AJ Green was a pretty even killed dude. Yeah, I'm very understanding. Fucking helmet. Didn't even try to rip his helmet off. Just throw him the ground. AJ Green's a big dude. He's six foot four. Had like a six, seven wingspan.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:57

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_10: 1:32:59

Bam! Bam! Bam! He got like seven good punches in.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:02

Ramsey's an asshole. I can more than half more than okay saying that. There's nothing that there's practically nothing you can say to gets that getting spit on is worth it. Is is a just conclusion. Cap. I I don't I just don't think so. I don't think that's the case.

SPEAKER_10: 1:33:25

Cap.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_10: 1:33:27

I've spit on somebody, so it's different.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:30

We agree to disagree, I think, maybe possibly.

SPEAKER_10: 1:33:33

No, there's several things you could say that you spit on.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:39

Maybe we're just different.

SPEAKER_10: 1:33:41

Spitting on people. We I mean you both learned from a very young age. That it's the pinnacle of disrespect.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:48

Yeah. That's like saying a person is like not even like cl not even the same worth as the ground. Yes. You spit on the ground, you don't spit on people.

unknown: 1:33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:01

So I'm not going on that route. But I'm saying even without Jamar Chase, you guys did okay. You did have a bunch of injuries in that game. Yoshivas was your leading receiver because T. Higgins ended up leaving this game with an injury at some point. And but you guys stayed in the game. Joe Flacco did enough. He'd had a pick. Drake May had a like Drake May threw that pick six. I'm not sure where he was throwing that ball to. But Drake May, I've been saying he's Josh Allen Light, but it's becoming more and more true as we go. Because he Drake May has those plays where you're like, what the fuck were you thinking making that play?

SPEAKER_10: 1:34:34

You're telling me, uh, real quick, I watched the game for like a couple minutes because I was in the passenger seat right here drive somewhere. I'm watching it. Don't throw that ball. Don't throw that ball. Don't throw that ball. Right to the defender.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:49

I just I don't I don't understand. Drake May is just like he just threw that ball and I'm like, the save you guys picked it off. It was uh Geno Stone picked it off and he took it all the way back to the house. I'm sitting there like that's not a throw you should make. And I'm just sitting there like Drake May has his moments. Did he throw a pick six?

SPEAKER_10: 1:35:03

That's the have you not seen it? I did not see the pick six. Pull that shit up. I need you to know. Yeah, I got you. I'll pull it up. I'll pull it up in the meantime.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:13

Let me unlock my phone first if you think. You're on my lock button, Negro. You two, I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_10: 1:35:21

I'll pull that shit up. It is the please don't throw that ball.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:26

Yeah, Drake May did everything. I I'm I don't understand what they're doing with Trayvon Henderson, man. Like, I see this they had 18 carries still, so like he didn't, so he got a bunch of carries. I thought even that wasn't enough because they used Ramondre Stevenson. Drake May ran the football five times. It's just like now seeing it, I'm like, they did run Trayvon a lot. But I just I didn't feel like it. Maybe I was because I wasn't paying attention as much. But Hunter Henry was leading receiver for the Patriots. They did what they were supposed to do. The game should not have been as close as it was, but they it was. Drake May made that big pick six, which is a definite issue. Oh yeah, he did throw that pick six now that I think about it. Still showing me the recap, the replay of it, but but it was just you know, the Bengals, they're three and eight. Three and eight now. So they're technically they're two games behind where the Ravens and Steelers are at right now, so which is why I'm seeing the play here.

SPEAKER_10: 1:36:24

Nope, not this one. Right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_10: 1:36:27

But if you ever need to explain to somebody what a pick six is, you show them this play.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:34

Oh. Don't throw that ball. Yeah, that's the don't throw that ball! That's not a ball you throw. Dude, I'll he saw he saw the defender sitting there, and he's like, I can get it there before he does. He's like, I can get it to the back before he gets there.

SPEAKER_10: 1:36:50

Chase Brown in the fucking brain. And is just, and Jones just, I'm gonna go get that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:56

Took it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:36:57

And dude, start the play. You know where he's going.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:02

He sees him and he's like, oh, he's there. I can get it there before he gets there. And he did, it wasn't even close. Jones didn't even have to hit third gear to get that ball.

SPEAKER_10: 1:37:12

All he did was hit a sprint.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:13

Hit a little sprint and got it. It was that it was easy.

SPEAKER_10: 1:37:16

That was that's where the game started. Um that was like the second play I saw after that catch to um Gasecki. That was the second play I saw.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:27

Gasecki had a great had a pretty good decent game. Here's the thing. He got injured and then he like fell off the face of the earth and he came back, and he was like a big part of the office. Again, not having tea, not having change.

SPEAKER_10: 1:37:37

Because Joe Burrow's coming back, and Joe Burrow liked Gaseki. Yeah, for sure. So no offense was gonna disappear regardless. But again, I I just I watched, I was like, I'm gonna tune in just for a second. Tune in and then tune the fuck back out.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:51

I get it. No, I do.

SPEAKER_10: 1:37:52

I can't. It is the biggest roller coaster of we are in games for so long, or we're not in games at all, that it's like I'm about to watch a game that may be at some expact. Yeah, I think it's Thanksgiving. So bro's probably gonna put up fucking 40. Or he's gonna be god awful because it's the first game in a while.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:11

And here's the problem it's just we're we're gonna get to it because we're gonna have to do the prediction, but the Ravens have not been good. And if you guys win this game, you'll only be a game behind.

SPEAKER_10: 1:38:23

If we win this game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:24

And you'll have a tiebreaker over them.

SPEAKER_10: 1:38:26

If we win this game, I'm gonna book.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:27

Or no, you'll be tied, because didn't you already play the Ravens this year and you have lost, lost? Are you still playing the tour? Yes, we lost them. So you'd be tied with them, and then you still have to play you're tied with the Steelers, too, right? So you'd have to you just have to have that better record, and you're good. So like you're only two games behind. That's gonna that's gonna that's gonna be the part where you're gonna have to be sucked back in because there's still a chance and Joe Burrow is gonna do it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:38:49

I refuse. I hope Joe Burrow is as rusty as he's ever been. Uh I I don't want this, dude. I want a top 10 pick. I I don't we don't need this. We have a 1% chance to make the playoffs. No one believes we are making the playoffs.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:06

And if you do, the defense is not gonna give it away. What's the point? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:39:10

I'm about to watch you go up there and put 60 up on a team to still lose by two touchdowns. Yeah. I don't want to do this no more. Or watch you go. I hope that God y'all don't just Joe Bro comes back, you know, bulldoze, rest of the schedule. Bulldogs the playoffs, get the Super Bowl. Now you're playing the Lions. Now you're playing the Eagles. Playing the Rams. Now you're playing Not Again.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:38

Not again. You can't do that again.

SPEAKER_10: 1:39:42

If I have to sit back, let's say we do make it the Super Bowl and we're playing the Rams, I'm gonna be an alcoholic. I'm going to be drunk during the game. Matthew Stafford is a fucking laser. He is a goddamn robot.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:01

He he's back to it, man. He really is. Um I have a question for you later after we recap all these games.

SPEAKER_10: 1:40:07

He was like, all those you it was T-Bone, because T-Bone's better at sports. Common man's the funny. T-Bone was like, all those used in Detroit will never do him true justice.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:40:18

Uh, because you're talking he is a guaranteed Hall of Fame quarterback. He's on any other team for the first ten years of his career.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:25

Yeah. Even though you do have to put a little bit on him if the team didn't do more, but his the lines were so bad.

SPEAKER_10: 1:40:31

No, you don't. You can put a No, because there were several years where he got them into the playoffs and they didn't deserve it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:37

Do you know how many Pro Bowls he has?

SPEAKER_10: 1:40:38

Not enough.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:40

He's only made the Pro Bowl three times.

SPEAKER_10: 1:40:42

Is that of his volition or the lines being that?

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:46

The Pro Bowl isn't even close. Like the Pro Bowl is an individual thing. Like that is not a team thing necessarily. Do you know how many times Russell Wilson made the Pro Bowl? Ten. Like there's a lot of players that have like over ten times, and he's like, he hasn't really doesn't really have a lot of the personal stats necessary to like really being like the The Broncos and AFC team?

SPEAKER_10: 1:41:14

See, I'm starting to not be able to think of good NFC quarterbacks. Yeah. I'm starting to not think of there being good ANFC quarterbacks during the time he was in Detroit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:28

Aaron Rodgers.

SPEAKER_10: 1:41:30

And Russell Wilson.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:32

Russell Wilson.

SPEAKER_10: 1:41:33

So why does he only have three?

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:36

Yeah. Hold on. Let me look it up. Hold on, let me make sure. Make sure. Staffer. Let's see here. Sorry, he's been a pro bowler twice, not three times.

SPEAKER_06: 1:41:52

Damn. Damn.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:57

The Pro Bowl. Like everybody gets the Pro Bowl. Mac Jones has been a pro bowler. Mac fucking Jones has been a pro bowler. So, like. But again, the fact you only have two.

SPEAKER_07: 1:42:14

Again, is that something he just only has to or is he declined it?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:20

No, because if you give if you're if you're in, then you're still given the honor of that. Even if you don't even if you decline going, you're still considered a Pro Bowler. He's made the Pro Bowl in 2014 and 2023. Those are the two years he's made the Pro Bowl.

SPEAKER_10: 1:42:43

I'm just saying, it is better to pull the lines records for those years.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:49

Oh no, the lions sucked. Like they were bad for most of it. But the Pro Bowl is an individual thing. That is not Okay.

SPEAKER_10: 1:42:55

How many years did you believe in Calvin Johnson?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:59

Oh, he had to have been like seven or eight years, something like that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:43:02

I don't remember Calvin Johnson after.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:43:18

Seven years. Even the years they had Calvin Johnson, they were still pretty ass.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:26

And uh Calvin Johnson retired. 2016. So he was he was gone after 2016.

SPEAKER_10: 1:43:34

Again, they were still ass.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:36

I get it. No, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_10: 1:43:40

But he is the kind of guy to where fuck my stats, I want to win.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:45

I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_10: 1:43:46

He's probably making plays that aren't the best plays because he's trying to win a football game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:50

Again, he left the team and went straight and won a Super Bowl right away. So like that, you that is all thing, but I'm I was just saying that it's not necessarily like he probably is the way pace he's on right now, he might be at an MVP level right now, might win an MVP with the way he's playing. Yeah, I'm not, yeah. Um let's get to the rest of these games. I don't want to go too long here. Giants, Lions, Lions win the game 34-27 in overtime. Jameer Gibbs is awesome. He had over, he had like 200 and he had 219 yards rushing, and then you add another, let's see, another 45 yards receiving. He had three touchdowns. He was awesome in this game. He was the only really great thing in this game, for the to be totally honest with you. Jameis was great, though. 18 of 36 for 366 yards, two touchdowns and interception. He also had a touchdown catch.

unknown: 1:44:46

Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:44:48

Where he had he got out of the got out of the tackle, and then he made the Heisman pose after. It was a whole thing. Again, Jameis, Heisman winner, if you didn't know.

SPEAKER_10: 1:44:56

Like, a lot of a lot of a blowout Heisman winner.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:01

Oh, yeah, he was awesome. He was awesome. Yeah, he was awesome in that year with Florida State. But he gave you everything in this game. He they he did the great things. He gives you a lot of charisma. He played, he didn't wasn't really efficient, but he threw for almost 400 yards, two touchdowns, had the pick.

SPEAKER_10: 1:45:16

This is another thing coming in, team of him talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:18

This is more fun.

SPEAKER_10: 1:45:19

He was like, if I'm a Giants fan, this is more fun.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:22

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 1:45:23

I would prefer to just watch this the rest of the year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:25

But guess what? They're gonna have old boy Jackson Dart back. He'll be back healthy again.

SPEAKER_10: 1:45:29

He brings you fun too. He does, but not in the same way of goddamn. That's a 70-yard bomb.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:37

I think Jackson Dart gives you stuff like that too.

SPEAKER_10: 1:45:39

Nope, not like Jameis Winston of he's throwing that bitch up. It's going up. He don't know who's down there, but it's going up. I think, again, if as a Bengals fan, I was pranked they were trading for Jameis Winston. Because I was getting to that point where I still kind of wanted to win, but Jake Browning wasn't giving that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:00

Right. At least let me have some fun.

SPEAKER_10: 1:46:02

Throw in Jameis Winston with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, it's gonna be a ball.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:07

It'll be electric.

SPEAKER_10: 1:46:08

We're gonna win a couple games, unfortunately, but it'll be fun to watch. Yeah. When they traded for Joe Flycon, I was like, nope, fuck this. I'm done. But again, as just a fan, if I'm a fan of a bad team, I'm letting Jameis start for me for four for fucking 16.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:21

Yeah, no, I get. No, it makes total sense.

SPEAKER_10: 1:46:23

I'm motherfuckers starting.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:24

It'll at least be fun. You'll lose, but it'll be fun.

SPEAKER_10: 1:46:27

It'll at least be fun to watch.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:28

Yeah. And the Giants had a real chance to win this game. They really did.

SPEAKER_10: 1:46:32

Jameis ain't a bad quarterback. He just don't make great decisions.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:34

Right, yeah. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_10: 1:46:36

That's that's his only flaw. He doesn't make good decisions. He's also not the most efficient in the world. Right. Again, he'd probably be a starting quarterback if he made better decisions.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:46

No, for sure. Um, heck, 30 touchdowns, 30 picks. That's all I need to say. That's a history sort of moment in a sense. 30 for 30. 30 and 30. Jared Goff wasn't great for another game. He doesn't believe in his protection at all, but guess what? That's getting fixed. He's gonna have his all-pro center Frank Ragnow back after he unretires. He like I told you before with the pod, like he should have just said, I'm taking a break. Like that's all it was. Because if you're just gonna come back, then what the fuck are you retiring for? Like, what's the point? But he's back. He's gonna have his that's gonna be a big boost to their offensive line, a little bit more trust. Help Jared Goff out, make him feel a little more comfortable with his offensive line in front of him. And I'm I'm gonna say Brown played great in this game. Nine catches. Huh? Yeah, I think Ragnell made first contact. Because I think they probably resect the decision. Because not to mention, would you want to pay him? Because once he's off your books, you're not paying him no more. So like I think he kind of called and was like, hey, would you be interested if I was willing to come back? And they probably looked at him and said, Yeah, all pro center, we'll take you, buddy. Ragnow's a center, right? Yes. It's like there's no doubt. And I think Ragnow, like, he's still a pretty young guy. He wasn't like an old player at all. So like he still had plenty of years in front of him. So like I think they're more than happy to bring him back. And again, this Lions team, when they're playing great, like they have a pass rush. They're secondary and great, but their pass rush is good enough to get after anybody. If Jared Goff is just a little bit comfortable in the pocket, he'll get the ball to anybody and they'll run the football like crazy. And Jameer Gibbs is playing at an all-pro level right now. Like I said, two like almost 300 yards worth of offense by himself. So and Rama St. Brown's still there. I'm still not a fan of Dan Campbell calling plays. Like he did terribly that game against um the Bills was the Bills? No, who they play with.

SPEAKER_10: 1:48:46

I thought it was Commanders.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:48

No, he played he did the Commanders game and they won. It was a blowout, and then they it was the Eagles game where they only scored nine points. It was an awful moment and all of that. So it looked like that he gave it back to the office coordinator because he didn't have the glasses on trying to read the plays at all. So, but I'm just like, is there a real chance Ben Johnson was the real secret sauce to that whole thing?

SPEAKER_07: 1:49:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:10

Maybe offensively, but it felt like the Lions kind of lost all of their swagger altogether, which is like it wasn't just offense, it was defensively too, even with all the injuries. They felt like they had a swagger to them, and it just feels like they don't have that same swagger. And I don't think I don't I don't think Ben Johnson was the only reason they had it, but like maybe. But again, that's the problem when you have a coach that doesn't really coach one side of the football, is that when you can have a little bit of a brain drain when your your defensive coordinator, your offensive coordinator leave, and that's what happened to them.

SPEAKER_10: 1:49:42

I I also think he's a culture coach.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:44

No, I totally agree. Yeah, for sure. He's not a coach coach, not an X is a nose guy. Okay, yeah, I can agree with that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:49:52

I it starts on it starts on Tuesday, and we keep it going until Sunday. He's that kind of guy. Yeah. Of the work starts when the game ends. He's that kind of coach. He gets the players to buy into what the Lions are, but he's not a call-of-play kind of coach.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:11

Which he tried to be, but it you know it's not working out. Next game, Packers, Vikings. Jason McCarthy is fucking awful.

SPEAKER_10: 1:50:19

God, he's dull shit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:20

12 of 19 for 87 yards, zero touchdowns, two picks, with Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson, and Jordan Addison, TJ Hawkinson. You got the weapons, Aaron Jones with all the weapons in the fucking world, and this dude can't throw at all. And again, I was never a believer in him coming out of college. Hey, you miss Sam Darnold now? I think they wanted him back, but guess what? He just wanted to get paid more money and like all of that. It worked. It worked. And Sam Darnold's going and killing it in Seattle right now. Or making the playoffs. And Jan McCarthy can't fucking do anything.

SPEAKER_10: 1:50:58

You're a quick Justin Jefferson requests a trade, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:01

I don't think he won. I don't think he's gonna request a trade because I think getting rid of the quarterback's a lot easier than ever, even if they're a first-round pick.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51:08

Getting a new quarterback ain't.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:10

That's true.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51:11

This is where I think his problem's gonna be is I'm done losing.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51:15

I would like to go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:17

Here's my thing. I think he'd be more okay losing if at least they were getting him the fucking football. He had four catches for 48 yards. Like, not only are we losing, but I'm not even getting my stats. JSN has now passed me up as being the best receiver in the NFL because he's killing it with Sam Darnold.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51:36

Well, he was never number one, so you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:38

Who? Oh, yeah, you still think Tamar Chase. For sure. Okay, fine. Great. Not gonna go down that route with you. I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51:44

I'm sorry, who had the triple crown last year? I agree.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:47

No, I agree. Fine, cool. I was just saying it from Justin Jefferson's point of view.

SPEAKER_10: 1:51:52

Justin Jefferson can come be a bangle.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:55

You don't need that in your life. Okay. But it was JJ McCarthy was so bad that Jordan Love, 14 of 21, 139 yards, zero touchdowns, zero picks, didn't have to do shit. They ran the football very effectively. They didn't even have um I forgot his name, the running back that you hate. Josh Jacobs. He didn't even play in this game. It was Emmanuel Wilson, 28 carries, 107 yards, two touchdowns. They won 23-6. This game was not close. J.J. McCarthy is ass. They're either going to have to get go draft another guy or they're going to have to go sign somebody in the offseason because I think you have a quarterback head coach. Like this is a guy that's an offensive coordinator and he's made it work. He had Sam Darnold playing like awesome last year. They wanted to keep Daniel Jones in the offseason. He decided to go play for the Colts where he's low-key turned into a pumpkin as of recently, but we'll get to that here in a minute. But like he's made a lot of other quarterbacks work, and this JJ McCarthy guy can't do fucking shit. He's awful. But Packers won that game. Seahawks, Titans, Seahawks defense took a day off because their defense did not show up whatsoever. They let the Titans score 24 points in this game. A team that really can't score at all. But Seahawks won the game 30-24. JSN, eight catches, 167 yards, and two touchdowns. He's absolutely amazing. He's leading receiver right now, both in catches and in receiving yards. We mentioned earlier he already is breaking the Seattle record for receiving yards in a season. He's only 11 games in. Kenneth Walker is finally starting to make a few plays. He's not really running the football all that effectively, but they're not asking him to. They're getting the ball throwing, running, catching it and running. Zach Charbonnet is getting involved. He had a touchdown in this game. Sam Darnold, 16-26, 244, two touchdowns, zero picks. Again, against this Tennessee team, they didn't really need him to go off, but they did enough. They threw the ball to JSN a bunch and they won this game. Cam Ward, 28 of 42, 256, one touchdown, zero picks. Might be his best game as a pro so far. Cam Ward also was leading rusher in this game, had a touchdown run. Leading receiver for them was Gunnarhelm, their tight end that they drafted out of Texas in the draft this past year, which is a definite issue. Their best receiver as right now is Chamiri DK, which is like, who knows who that guy is? Five catches, 44 yards, and a touchdown. Who the fuck is that? They need receivers so bad.

SPEAKER_10: 1:54:29

Dude, I say his name over time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:32

Chami Chamiri D K. D-I-K-E, by the way, is how it's spelled. D K. But it's D K, but it really spells Dyke.

SPEAKER_07: 1:54:42

D-I-K-E. That's Dyke.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:44

Well, but actually, I think it's D Y K E. That's how the Dyke is spelled.

SPEAKER_07: 1:54:47

Yeah, no, that's Dike.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:49

But yeah, so like that's your best receiver that you have on this team. So you need running backs, you need receivers, you need to help this guy out, and their defense is nothing.

SPEAKER_10: 1:54:58

You need defensive line. Everything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:02

Yeah, coach.

SPEAKER_10: 1:55:04

Yeah. I shit you not. Everything. The only thing you don't need is a quarterback.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:09

Cam Ward is really good.

SPEAKER_10: 1:55:11

Which for most teams, that's not a bad spot to be in.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:13

That is true. There's nowhere to go but up. Nowhere to go but up.

SPEAKER_10: 1:55:17

I don't know if Cam Ward, this shit is down.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:21

Next game. Colts, Chiefs. We were both hoping for the Colts to put the final nail in the Chiefs' coffin for this season. It didn't happen. There was an 11-point lead that the Colts had in the fourth quarter. Sorry. No, in the fourth quarter. They had an 11-point lead and they let the Chiefs come back to tie the game and then get the three points in overtime because I've been seeing Daniel Jones' praise all year long, and in this game he turned into an absolute pumpkin. 19 of 31, 181 yards, two touchdowns, zero picks. You know what the problem was? Is that this kind of leads into your biggest issue with this Colts team. Jonathan Taylor, 16 carries, 58 yards. The Chiefs made it very clear that we are not going to. They made it very clear.

SPEAKER_05: 1:56:13

I knew this was going to be the reaction. I knew this was going to be the reaction. They made it very fucking told you.

SPEAKER_10: 1:56:35

Oh my fucking God. I love being right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:40

The Chiefs said no running the football in the coming day. And that happened. And when that became the case, Daniel Jones could not pick up this lack and keep the offense rolling.

SPEAKER_10: 1:56:50

Oh my fucking God, I'm right. I knew I was fucking right. You had Jonathan Taylor ranked in like the top five running backs. You were fucking wrong.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:59

I still contend we.

SPEAKER_10: 1:57:10

On like 15 carries. Real quick, he's averaging 70, 70 on 15 carries with no touchdowns. Because all of them came from six games.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:21

I still contend he's a top five back, but I was getting to a point where I was calling him the number one back in the NFL, and he's not that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:57:26

He's not a top five fucking back. You know what top five backs do? They get 100 yards a game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:31

We'll get it, we'll agree to disagree on that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:57:33

Oh, is he CMC? No, because CMC doesn't fucking stat pad. That nigga has no actual touchdowns against actual contenders. He has no touchdowns against contenders.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 1:57:47

Literally.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:49

Not great.

SPEAKER_10: 1:57:49

He has seven of them bitches on the Titans. He had three on the Colts, three on the Dolphins, and three on the Cardinals. My bad. He had three on the fucking uh Raiders. Three on the Titans. Four on the Titans.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:07

And they get another three against the Falcons. Two or three against the Falcons in the overseas game.

SPEAKER_10: 1:58:12

He had two. And then like one touchdown here, but like no yards. One touchdown here, but no yards. One touchdown here. Yards, but only 28 carries. So this nigga really has three fuck touchdowns.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:26

Look, man, I I again this has kind of led itself into your argument on the whole thing. And here's the thing: even with all those struggles, they still were up 11 at the beginning of the fourth quarter and they let the lead slip away.

SPEAKER_09: 1:58:38

Fucking headache now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:40

Mahomes didn't even play great. 29 of 46 for 352, zero touchdowns and a pick.

unknown: 1:58:46

Damn.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:47

They threw the football a lot. They ran the football with Kareem Hunt pretty effectively. 30 carries, 104 yards. He only averaged 3.5 yards of carry, but he did get a touchdown. Rasheed Rice, 8 receptions, 141 yards.

SPEAKER_10: 1:59:00

Why does Kareem Hunt keep finding his way back to Kansas City?

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:03

Because it just works, man. They think he just fits. And they feel like he's a culture fit and they know what he is. He loves it there. It's a whole thing. But like the Chiefs like the Colts let it slip away. They had an 11-point lead and they let it slip. And like I said, Daniel Jones is a pumpkin. When he doesn't have a run game, it has not been what pumpkin in that bitch.

SPEAKER_10: 1:59:24

Oh no!

SPEAKER_05: 1:59:25

A defense! I knew it. They're serp-sapping my power! Like this nigga's ass.

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:34

That was a more insane. That was a better, even better than I thought, even though I knew it was gonna be insane when you reacted to that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:59:40

Dude, this this goes to show I don't look at NFL games since the Bengals aren't playing. Because goddamn, I would have called you.

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:48

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_10: 1:59:49

Fuck Jonathan Taylor. I've been saying this nigga's not that good for three fucking years, and you've been on his knob. Get out of my face. This motherfucker is a volume back. And I'm going to go off on the shittiest defense of the NFL. But if they are even slightly above 500, I'm going to go a miss.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:14

Yeah, he's not the only one. Next game, Ravens, Jets. Ravens beat the Jets 23-10. This game was not pretty. Derrick Henry was the only really bright spot for them this game. He didn't even have a great game. He had 21 carries for 64 yards and two touchdowns. OLamar Jackson didn't do anything once again. 13 of 23, 153 yards, zero touchdowns, zero picks. Lamar did insinuate after this game that he is still dealing with an injury that keeps him from really running the football the way that we think. Brees Hall came and he had 44 yards rushing off 16 carries, but he also was leading receiver with four catches, 75 yards. And they're dealing with like a weird set of receivers. John Mechie, the former third. I know who that is. Yeah, but he was because he was like the third guy on the Houston, and they traded him to the Jets. AD Mitchell was with the Colts earlier this year. He messed up in that big play that got lost them a game. He had two catches, two catches for 42 yards. He had seven targets, only had two catches. Um did not look great in that game. So it's like the Jets, they suck. That's awful. But it's even worse that the Ravens, it was so difficult. Yeah, they couldn't put the put the game away whatsoever. I don't know. The Ravens' offense is bad, which is why I think the when we get to your game, I think the Ravens could lose this game to the Bengals tomorrow. I'm just saying. Um, next game, Browns Raiders.

SPEAKER_10: 2:01:53

With Joe Shycey on the field, anything's possible.

SPEAKER_04: 2:01:57

Browns Raiders, man. We said the Browns are going to win. This is going to be the first game with Shador Sanders being their quarterback.

SPEAKER_09: 2:02:03

Shadur.

SPEAKER_04: 2:02:04

And this is this might be the worst case scenario because Shador, 11 of 20, 209 yards, one touchdown, one pick. And he had the one big play where he scrambled on the outside, threw the football down the field to Isaiah Bond for the touchdown pass. Was it Bond or?

SPEAKER_10: 2:02:22

It was Bond. I thought it was Peoples.

SPEAKER_04: 2:02:26

I forget who the touchdown was, too. Quinchon Judkins got involved. He they did like the Wildcat formation for him to get a couple touchdowns in this game. He had 47 yards rushing off 16 carries. Yeah, two.

SPEAKER_10: 2:02:38

Real quick, Kevin's Defensive's fucking losing his job. Because if they go out there again and he plays well, this nigga's fired. The CD of Cleveland's going to find where he lives and burn his shit down. We had to watch Dylan Gabriel for how fucking long? Dylan Gabriel's not a starting quarterback. Dylan Gabriel's a fringe backup.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:03:00

I can totally believe that in two years I'm going to see him in the UFL. My bad, the XFL is what it's called. I'm going to see him in the UFL.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:08

No, it's UFL now. Yeah, it is UFL. No, it started as XFL. XFL and the there was a two different leagues. They came together to make the U.S. Yeah. XFL, USFL, and they came together to make the UFL United Football League.

SPEAKER_10: 2:03:21

Real quick, I do watch those games during the summer.

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It's football.

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There's it there's space fillers.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I see players. Totally agree. Max Duggan. He was one. He actually won the MVP. And I'm like, he's gonna make a career out of this. Maybe. Making like$120,000 a year. Okay. And fuck it, playing football.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:42

But Shador, like I said, I think he did just enough to make Brown's fans feel like there was a hope for the future. But he wasn't great in this game. He wasn't. But again, but he had the big highlight play that gives players hope gives fans hope.

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It was the first time in 16 years where a Brown's quarterback has won their first start ever.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:01

Yeah, they were like, yeah, it was like a yeah, they had a losing record for first starts in these games, yeah, for sure.

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So and he was able to make some good plays. So it just gives hope in a way that Dylan Gabriel was not making good plays, he was making dink and dunk down the field.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:17

True.

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Uh throwing an interception in the red zone. So there was times, and I understand being a Browns fan, of we all agree and agree that he was not a sixth-round pick.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:29

No, he was a he was a fifth round pick. He should not have been drafted in a fifth round.

SPEAKER_10: 2:04:33

I was thinking maybe mid-second.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:35

I was more like a third or fourth. I was thinking like I I understood I was more negative on him than I was.

SPEAKER_10: 2:04:40

At worst, he was a mid-second round pick. Yeah. Because he was the next most talented guy. He's not as good as Cam Ward. Cam Ward has shown I'm a starting quarterback.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:49

I don't even think it's about talent. I think about the fact that he can run an offense. If there's nothing else, he can run an offense and get you down the field.

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And I think with a Browns defense like that, all you need is consistent.

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And you could be competitive.

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Yes. So again, he's probably finishing out the year.

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But here's the problem Did you see him after the game where he was doing the interview? And he ended it with, That's just what I was off of one week of practice. Imagine I'm gonna be with more, and I'm sitting there like, dude, you don't have to say it. You don't have to go that far.

SPEAKER_10: 2:05:22

I'm just sitting there like everyone already feels and believes that. Right. You don't have to put it out there. You can sit back and just soak in it. Yeah, and I'm again his personality turns me off.

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It does.

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But if I'm a Browns fan, oh I don't give a fuck.

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I'm just I just want to sit here and have some hope that I can't. I'm gonna get the game. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10: 2:05:41

So again, if I'm a Browns fan, I don't give two fucks. This defense may not totally go to waste. Yeah, no, I agree. Uh Miles Garrett being truly elite may not go to waste. This is a one year where he's not stat padding.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:53

No, he's he's killing it right now. I have to give him that.

SPEAKER_10: 2:05:56

Definitely getting that record.

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For most sacks in the season?

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Uh yes.

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How many is he at?

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I think he's only like five or six off. He's at 18 right now. What's the record? 22?

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:10

That's more than that, ain't it?

SPEAKER_10: 2:06:12

I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:14

Uh what is the sack record and the NFL?

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It's 22 to tie.

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I think it's like 20 break. 22 and a half.

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He's breaking that.

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With six games left.

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And the last game being the Bengals, this nigga's breaking that too. And Joe, I'm beautiful, he may break it by a couple.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:38

He might, no, for sure. Even though some of his games where he has feasts, he has feasted on some bad teams too.

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Yeah, that's what he does.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:46

He's been that his whole career for no for sure.

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He had, I think, four against the Bengals. Yeah, that's what this nigga does. I'm not lying. But again, his stat padding has not been as bad. It's yeah, it's had to get sacks over all of these games.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:59

And he gets a lot of he gets a lot of uh QB pressure. He gets a lot of people on him like trying to block him. He gets double teams and all of that.

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So again, he is a sat powder in his normal years. In this year, he has not been that as bad. He is that, but he's it hasn't been as bad. He's still getting some sacks throughout all of his games.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:19

They sacked Geno Smith 10 times in this game total.

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That doesn't count. Wait, but he only did twice.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:24

He no, he had three. He had three sacks in this game.

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So I'll talk man.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:31

Gino, 30 of 44, 285, one touchdown, zero picks. Genty has been certifiable ass this year.

SPEAKER_10: 2:07:38

Okay, is that Genty's soul? Is that old line fucking dog?

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:41

Maybe, maybe not. But do you know they fired Chip Kelly already as their office coordinator? He's now without a job.

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And I'm sitting here like, you want to come to the Bengals? I'll take fucking Chip Kelly.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:51

No. The what he should do is like, hey, I have you sold your house in Columbus yet? You've only been gone for about six, seven, eight months. Like, just come around and come on back. We'll get you another ring. You can be our run game coordinator. And if something happens with Brian Hartline, you can jump back in.

SPEAKER_10: 2:08:09

Fuck all that. I'll take Chip Kelly right fucking now. You're lying to me if Chip Kelly's not better than Zach Taylor.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:18

Oh, making an offense? I can say that for sure. He can do that.

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That's all you gotta do.

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He can do that.

SPEAKER_10: 2:08:27

You don't have to call the fuck. Dude, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:29

And he specializes in the run game too. Get your get Joe Burrow a run game?

SPEAKER_10: 2:08:36

You're not hearing me. Kid Kelly better not be without a job long. Because he was certifiable ass with the Raiders, so he's champion.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:47

I don't think he I don't think he was the issue with the Raiders. I really don't think he wasn't. The Raiders were ass.

SPEAKER_10: 2:08:52

But we can pay like Gino was ass. I know, but we can pan like it was his fault. So he can beat Gam like it was his fault for three years. Give him like 10 a year. Um how much are coaches paid?

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:10

He was a coordinate, he was getting high, he was getting high money as a coordinator. He's getting paid two million dollars a year.

SPEAKER_10: 2:09:15

What the fuck is college football? What the fuck is college football? What the fuck is college football? They're talking about getting this nigga like$75 million from Owens.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:25

Yeah, no, they're gonna give Lane Link LC was offering Lane like$13 million a year.

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Plus a shit ton of L and IL.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:30

Oh yeah, coaches in college football get paid more than NFL coaches.

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What the fuck is college football? What the fuck is this? Lots of money, bro. Two million.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:38

As a four coordinator, yeah.

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Joe Burrow could pay him for it.

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Dropping the bucket for old Burrow.

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Half a billion dollars in our fucking offense. I promise you, Chip Kelly could work with that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:51

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_10: 2:09:52

Hey, here's a quarterback that you're probably familiar with a little bit. Some good wide receivers. Some of the better two wide receivers in the NFL.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:59

Bad offensive line probably does probably is a little bit of a turnoff, though.

SPEAKER_10: 2:10:02

Yeah, you can supplement that with a decent run game. O line's not as bad because no linebackers are blitzing us now.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:09

True. Yeah.

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I'm just saying, I dude, I I would I would fucking suck somebody's dick right now. Guy, the things I would have done for Mike Rabel. But we were too good.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:24

Yeah. Or at least you thought you were too good.

SPEAKER_10: 2:10:28

But Joe Burrow was too good. But now, hey, we gotta listen back. Zach Taylor's shit. No Joe Burrow, and this team goes downhill very fast.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:39

Yeah.

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You saw it, he called that fuck ass play.

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Oh yeah. Zach Taylor sucks.

SPEAKER_10: 2:10:46

He went to the guy that should be.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:47

Zach Taylor is not good at his job, and he hasn't he's never been good at his job.

SPEAKER_10: 2:10:51

I think it was last year where you thought I was being over overreacting by the screens. Until we ran like, I think it was like four of them bitches in a row, and you tagged it anyway. Yeah, you're right. Why are we running a screen to Jamar Chase? Yeah. Everyone knows we're doing that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 2:11:09

On fourth down, it's like we you need 10 yards, and you're running a screen to the one guy everybody knows is getting the ball.

SPEAKER_10: 2:11:16

Dude, that is a great play of you just have you asked.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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He's not the focus. And he's probably gonna get a linebacker who's not as fast as him. I would kill for Chip Kelly right now.

SPEAKER_04: 2:11:31

Next game. Jags Cardinals. Jags won the game 27-24. This game was very close. Trevor Lawrence did just enough to win this football game. He had a Super Bowl with Chip Kelly on our fucking team. Trevor Lawrence had three touchdowns and three picks in this game. He was not good.

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Why the fuck did he come to the NFL to make jack shit?

SPEAKER_04: 2:11:49

Well, he was making, but no, as a coordinator in college football, that's around the same. He was getting him getting$2 million a year as a coordinator was actually very high in the NFL.

SPEAKER_10: 2:11:58

Okay, cool. You went to the Raiders.

SPEAKER_04: 2:12:01

Yeah.

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You were coaching at Ohio State.

SPEAKER_04: 2:12:03

He just didn't want he didn't he doesn't like the college football schedule. Like college football, you recruit all year round. Oh, it's busy food. There's no off-season. Busy buddy, busy buddy. Yeah, there is no off-season. In the NFL, like if you're not in season, it's an off-season. You get about three months of season. You get three months of off-season. Right.

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Up until right.

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You get to show up to the office, but you don't have to do any traveling or anything like that. College football, it is a fucking grind. You have to be all in. And he wasn't necessarily all in on that. So he's like, hey, I have a chance to go get paid real good money in the NFL to go do this job. And he gets fired, not even a full season in. Jaguars won the game 27-24 to the Cardinals. Is it on that? Eagles, Cowboys. This was the game was crazy. Eagles in the first half look like they were going to be blowing the Cowboys out. And in the second half, the Eagles become one of the worst offenses I've ever seen. They can't do anything. They can't throw the football, can't run the football in the first half. They got old boy AJ Brown the ball a bunch. He got 110 yards and a touchdown. I think most of that was in the first half. Second half, this offense turns to an absolute pumpkin, and they let the Cowboys come back and win this game 24-21. Dak, 23-36, 354, two touchdowns and a pick. George Pickens, nine catches, 146, and a touchdown. CeeDee Lamb, four for 75, but he had a few drops that definitely hurt his stat line. But it's just the Eagles' defense didn't come, didn't really show up defensive line to get after Dak Prescott in this game. They only sacked him one time, but I do think the Cowboys are really getting the ball out quick to try to keep Dak upright, which is cool. But like the fact that the Eagles keep doing this where they'll play one good half and then the second half, their deep their offense will be absolutely the worst you've ever seen is a huge issue. And it's just, I just don't I don't know what to do with the Eagles, man. And it's just everybody's gonna look at this and be like, oh, the Cowboys can be very scary at 5, 5, and 1 on the season. But this is more about the Eagles fucking fumbling the bag once again because they can't put just a full game of good offensive football together. I'm not saying great. I just say good offensive football from quarter one to quarter four. They can't fucking do it. AJ Brown's gonna be happy in the first half, pissed in the second half, um, and it's just Jalen Hurts is gonna look look like he can throw the football everywhere, and then the second half can't throw a forward pass. I just don't know what's happening. And the fact that the Cowboys are able to get this win is just in like just sucks because people are gonna start slobbing on the Cowboys now saying, oh, they have a chance to win a Super Bowl now, and I'm like, no, they don't.

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I know I work for the Cowboys fan.

SPEAKER_10: 2:14:39

I had to ride with them all day, fucking nine and a half hours, listening to this motherfucker. I'm like, you guys are going to get fucking found this first round. Stop talking to me.

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And no, they have no chance. So I'm just like, the fact you just gave Cowboys fans hope, it's just like even worse on the whole idea of the Eagles losing that game.

SPEAKER_10: 2:14:55

I've never met a rational Cowboys fan.

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Yeah, you're not wrong on that. Falcons, Saints, next game. Falcons won the game 24-10. Kirk Cousins came out and played good enough to win that game. He did what he had to do. I think he threw two touchdown pass in this game. Bijan played great, had over 100 yards of total offense. Darnell Mooney can finally show up because you know there is no uh Drake London. Drake London to take up all the air in the air in the room. He had a good game, and the Saints are just bad. Tyler Shuck didn't have a terrible game, though. 30 of 43 for 243. He had zero touchdowns and a pick, but it's just the the Saints are kind of bad.

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Kinda.

SPEAKER_04: 2:15:36

Not kinda, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. But I do think Tyler Shuck is actually playing better week by week, but it's just he's not a starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Also, you can't wait that long for him to get better because if it takes him another two, three years to get better.

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He'll be close to 30.

SPEAKER_10: 2:15:51

This nigga's 29. What are we doing? Are you really gonna are you willing to wait another three years? No, he had to be lights out this year.

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That's the Saints need to hit the reset button on everything. And again, they they started doing that by getting rid of some of the bigger contracts last year. And it's only gonna get their salary caps only get better and better throughout these years as they get the dead cap money off their books. But they need to really hit the reset button on the whole thing.

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You're telling me they're still so in cap hell.

SPEAKER_04: 2:16:17

Sunday night, this the Rams Buccaneers, the Rams thumped the Buccaneers 34-7. Old boy Baker Mayfield got a shoulder injury in the first half, couldn't play at all in the second half, but it didn't fucking matter because the Rams came out and said, hey, we're just gonna throw the football over the yard and we're gonna keep throwing touchdown passes. Puka Nakua, seven catches, 97 yards. Devontae Adams, five catches, 62, and two touchdowns. Kobe Parkinson, their tight end, had a touchdown catch off four catches and 41 yards. Matthew Stafford, 25 of 35 for 273 and three touchdowns and zero picks. They didn't run the football whatsoever. They only had like 70 yards total rushing between their two running backs because the Rams were like, hey, we're not gonna run the football towards Vita Vea. We're just gonna sit here and throw over the field because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers can't stop us.

SPEAKER_10: 2:17:07

Baker is having a kid. That is a weird thing to add in this whole situation. I follow the Tampa Bay on like TikTok. I follow all NFL teams. Tampa Bay posts a lot. Baker's having a boy.

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Oh, good for him.

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They were going through Monta Nam.

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Yeah, actually, the players. Omeka was saying biblical names.

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And this motherfucker said one that I was like, huh? What the fuck is that? Uh Ameka Abuka, he did make good suggestions. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 2:17:37

But um Baker, they're saying it's just a sprain. He may be able to come back and play sooner rather than later. But again, if he's injured, would you want him to come back? Wouldn't you just let him sit? Because think about it this way: your the division that they play in sucks. The teams they have to worry about is the Falcons and the Saints and the Panthers. You're making the playoffs. So as long as you get Baker back within a couple games, Teddy Bridgewater. He's fine.

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He's not gonna like what's the next game? The next question.

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Tampa's next game is Arizona.

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That boy can see Arizona's heart out.

SPEAKER_04: 2:18:12

That is a hard out. It is for sure.

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But there's no one on that defense I'd be scared of hitting Baker.

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I'm just sitting there like the way Baker, because it's his left, he's it's his non-throwing shoulder, but you could tell, like as soon as he did any moving, it hurt like crazy. I'm not I think they just need to let him rest and get him back when he whenever he is healthy enough to do the job without getting injuring himself more.

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All the other teams suck so fucking bad.

SPEAKER_04: 2:18:33

It's just the Rams just kind of came out there and thumped you. You had no chance, and it's just it was it is what it is. Like you don't even need to feel bad about that game. The Rams might be the best team in the NFL right now. Like they legitimately. The way Matthew Stafford's playing right now is on a different level. Like I said, he's like he's an in like the for the front runner for MVP. He's just they're out of unstoppable, especially with Puka Nakua and Devontae Adams. They they're in their defense.

SPEAKER_10: 2:18:56

Puka Nakua got his heartbroke at the start of the year by his girlfriend. Just cheated on him.

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And they were gonna have a kid. Kid was on his. Ever since Livis Nick's been on the fucking perk.

SPEAKER_04: 2:19:08

Well, he's always been off a perk, though. Yes, but the heartbreak is killing him. Yeah, not true. Yeah, for sure. Sorry. Monday night game last night. Niners, Panthers. Niners won the game 20 to 9. Brock Purdy had another three interception half. Don't do that on a podcast.

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He was like pushing on top and it crunched.

SPEAKER_04: 2:19:26

If Brock Purdy didn't throw those three picks, they would have won this game by even more. But he kept throwing picks, man. He keeps doing it. Like he has multi-pick halves all the time in his NFL career. And like I've been telling you, all Stefan all uh not Stefanski to work in.

SPEAKER_10: 2:19:43

Shanahan. For Shanahan. Shanahan's offense is follow what I'm saying, and it works.

SPEAKER_04: 2:19:48

I I heard somebody say this is that Brock Purdy feels like he has an arm that he doesn't have. He feels like he has arm arrogance that he doesn't deserve because he can't throw the football. He's like, I can fit it in that spot, and he tries it, and it's always a pick because he all he always is like he doesn't know he can't rocket the football like he thinks, like he thinks he can. So I'm gonna be like, he feels he's trying to fit these footballs in these tight spots spots, and they always picked off. And all they need him to do is just follow the instructions of their office coordinator and they'll win games. Heck, he didn't, and they still won the game against it was it was against Carolina, and Bryce Young was shit in this game too. 18 of 29, 169 yards, one touchdown, and two picks.

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He's so up and down.

SPEAKER_04: 2:20:29

Yeah, it's it's all over the place, man. And Chris McCaffrey is the only reason they won this game. 24 carries, 89 yards, and a touchdown. And I think he had another seven catches for 53 yards. George Kittle, six catches, 78 yards. Juwan Jennings had a touchdown catch. But it's just the Niners, they're 8-4. I think I literally just Shanahan. He might get coach of the year because he's coaching his team up way higher than they ever should be. There's no reason they should be eight and four. Their defense is awful, and they just keep winning football games, man. As long as Chris McCaffrey and George Kittle's out there, they're gonna win a lot of games, but Brock Purdy is gonna keep them from winning anything significant because he just goes out there and he just makes terrible decisions all the fucking time. And that's gonna be their Achilles heel, and they paid him already, and that's what makes it even worse.

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The boy's about to be rich from life.

SPEAKER_04: 2:21:23

It might get to a point where they might sit him because, like, hey, I can think I can get better at Mac Jones because he's to listen to me. He'll listen to me. And he'll throw the football where I tell him to and not throw picks. I don't know. I just it's just it's again, I've been on the Brock, I've been way against Brock Purdy this whole time, so it just proves me more and more right in the situation. You've been more of a Brock Purdy apologist between us. But it's just a game like that, definitely not what you need, especially if it was the Panthers. If you don't throw those picks, you blow them out and you're sitting your guys in the fourth quarter. But this game was close, you needed a Christian McCaffrey touchdown there in the third to kind of put the game away and be ahead of by enough because of how bad the Panthers offense was. Alright. But that's all the games from recap of games from last week. Can I, before we get to making our picks for these games, can you name me the top five, what you think the top five teams in the NFL are right now?

SPEAKER_10: 2:22:15

Five.

SPEAKER_04: 2:22:17

If you can't come up with five, that's fine.

SPEAKER_10: 2:22:19

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 2:22:21

I'll just give you mine. I think the Rams are the best team in the NFL. I think I'd put Seattle right behind them.

SPEAKER_06: 2:22:30

Okay, I can vibe with that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:22:32

Because their defense is very good. The offense is consistent. JSN, they they just have dudes, they have dudes everywhere.

SPEAKER_10: 2:22:38

That's the best part.

SPEAKER_04: 2:22:39

As long as Sam Darnold doesn't have the crazy Sam Darnold games, like they're unstoppable. Um, and then I would go from there. I don't want to kick the Eagles because like the Eagles have fucked me over way too much for me to feel any confidence. Yeah, the Lions start, the Lions feel shaky at times for me, too. I'm not gonna lie to you. Yeah, no, you're not wrong. Um, and then I from there, there has to be some team in the AFC I can feel any confidence in, huh? What like I don't I I don't think I can feel feel with the Colts anymore with how the Colts have been playing.

SPEAKER_06: 2:23:16

And I can't with the Bills.

SPEAKER_04: 2:23:18

Patriots.

SPEAKER_10: 2:23:19

Oh, there it is. That's a good one. Patriots.

SPEAKER_04: 2:23:21

Patriots at four. And then at five, you could have a cycling of Superman version of Josh Allen, maybe that can get you there, or maybe the Chiefs are there because nobody else can put them away, or like maybe so, maybe four is the only way we can go. Because I don't think I can't believe in the Eagles. And there's not another team in the NFC I really believe in at all. NFC South, NFC North, NFC West. No. Stop playing. But they might make the playoffs anyway because Joe Burrow's back. And that'll be the fucking end of me. If you guys have a season you have and you guys get into the playoffs over us, again, that'd probably be better for me because we'd be have a future because we have a great pick.

SPEAKER_10: 2:24:05

But you know, quick. I won't watch this game, but I don't know if I could force myself not to watch the Bills game.

SPEAKER_04: 2:24:13

Yeah, because you hate you hate Josh Allen so much. You can't won't be able to help yourself.

SPEAKER_10: 2:24:16

But Josh Allen, that nigga's not that good. And it's showing.

SPEAKER_04: 2:24:20

Alright, that that was the only thing I had on that. I just wanted to see because this is like the Rams, I think it's the Rams and the Seahawks are easily the best two teams, and I think there's a fucking gap. I think there's a big gap between the second and then the third, whoever you want to pick. I agree. And it's just, I don't know. If Matthew Staff keeps playing like this, they're gonna win another Super Bowl, and he's for sure gonna be a Hall of Famer at that point. He wins another one, it's over. He's definitely gonna be a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_06: 2:24:45

I don't know if Eli's a Hall of Famer. Eli's not as good as Matthew Stafford.

SPEAKER_04: 2:24:50

But Eli has done more. Technically, with his two Super Bowls, he has a lot more Pro Bowls.

SPEAKER_09: 2:24:56

Dude, I don't think that fucking matters.

SPEAKER_04: 2:24:59

He has more All-Pros. Matthew Stafford doesn't have one all pros. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:25:05

He made a lot with Peyton Manning. Huh? Matthew Stafford played a pretty decent part of his career with Peyton Manning.

SPEAKER_04: 2:25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:25:14

That's one all-pro. How many how many all-pro teams did they make? Two or three.

SPEAKER_04: 2:25:18

Who?

SPEAKER_10: 2:25:19

The NFL.

SPEAKER_04: 2:25:21

Is it like NBA? It's one all-pro team, but you have, I think you have multiple. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if they do one or two quarterbacks for the all-pro.

SPEAKER_05: 2:25:31

Probably two.

SPEAKER_04: 2:25:34

No, because they had they had uh because they gave Josh Allen the MVP, but then gave Lamar the all-pro.

SPEAKER_10: 2:25:41

So there's fucking one all-pro, and this nigga had to play as almost his entire career with Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning.

SPEAKER_04: 2:25:49

That is true. I'll let it slide. And yeah, and Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_10: 2:25:53

I'll let it slide. I'll let it slide real quick. But Tom Brady's an AFC quarterback. God damn, this nigga doesn't have enough Pro Bowls. You said it, and I was like, oh shit, Tom Brady's another one. I'm like, that nigga's in the middle of the fucking AFC his whole life. Never left the AFC. I he did, he did.

SPEAKER_04: 2:26:14

When he went to Tampa Bay the last couple years.

SPEAKER_10: 2:26:16

But again, I cannot find a good excuse for why he don't have more Pro Bowls. Every good quarterback from his generation, besides Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson, were in the AFC. So I dude, why does Tony Romo have more all pros and have more Pro Bowls than you?

SPEAKER_04: 2:26:40

Right.

SPEAKER_10: 2:26:42

You're far better than Tony Romo.

SPEAKER_04: 2:26:44

Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm not saying it's like the death nail, but I'm saying like why? Like what like in all the they let six dudes in in the Pro Bowl. They do three quarterbacks for each conference every every year for the Pro Bowl. And that's not including the guys that opt out and then they add another dude. So even if you get R was one for a very long time.

SPEAKER_10: 2:27:11

Where he was a dog.

SPEAKER_04: 2:27:13

But he was never he was in the AFC.

SPEAKER_10: 2:27:15

Farther Raders in the AFC?

SPEAKER_04: 2:27:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:27:22

I can't find a good excuse. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 2:27:29

But yeah, it's just it, you know, it's not the death nail, but if he wins in the Super Bowl, he's definitely a pro uh definitely an uh Hall of Famer. No questions asked. Alright, let's get to these games. We've already gone two hours and almost two and a half hours now. So let's go ahead and try to get these picks done here in the next 10-15 minutes so we can get out of here, have an under three-hour podcast, and get out of here and enjoy the rest of our week. Game one. Green Bay at Detroit. Detroit. You're taking Detroit. I don't believe in Green Bay enough.

SPEAKER_06: 2:27:59

I don't either. That's why I'm picking Detroit.

SPEAKER_04: 2:28:01

Um oh boy, Jordan Love. Is it Jordan Love? Yeah, it's Jordan Love.

SPEAKER_09: 2:28:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 2:28:08

Yeah, okay. Not been playing all that well, so I don't believe in them. They don't have Josh Jacobs. So Detroit it is. Next game, you got Kansas City at Dallas. Dallas. You're taking Dallas, really? I'm taking Kansas City.

SPEAKER_06: 2:28:24

Good on you, bud. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, bud. Put me your other game up. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04: 2:28:35

I just, you know, this is a game where Dallas has all the confidence in the world and they come out against Kansas City and get beat up on at home on Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_10: 2:28:43

That's very Dallas-like.

SPEAKER_04: 2:28:45

That's a very that's a Dallas script right there. Next game. This is all Thursday, by the way. The night game tomorrow night. You got Cincinnati at Baltimore. Joe Burrow. Joe Shystee is back. Joe Shisey's back. Yeah, but that doesn't mean shit to you, Jace. Come on. That's that's your that's your Christ. That's your Allah. I know. That's your football Jesus.

SPEAKER_10: 2:29:11

Stop the run. And that nigga Derek Henry likes to run. Picking the Ravens.

SPEAKER_07: 2:29:18

Defense is fucking horrendous.

SPEAKER_04: 2:29:21

Yeah, he's not even on the injury report, bro. He's playing.

SPEAKER_10: 2:29:24

That's crazy. I don't like that. I'm picking the He's playing.

SPEAKER_04: 2:29:29

He's not even on the injury report. You're not gonna have Trey Hendrickson. He's gonna be gone. You're not gonna have that is true. But I'm gonna take I'm I'm that defense is bad. That Baltimore defense is bad too. And he'll have Jamar Chase. He'll have T. Higgins. Same old thing. And the way Lamar is playing, can I ex like they're just gonna hand it to Derrick Henry? He's gonna pass.

SPEAKER_10: 2:30:01

Yes. Yes. Yes. They did it twice last year.

SPEAKER_04: 2:30:06

Yeah, you're not wrong. I'll take Baltimore.

SPEAKER_10: 2:30:08

I'm taking Go ahead say it. I can't.

SPEAKER_04: 2:30:13

You gotta say it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:30:14

You gotta say it. Bet against Joe Scheiße. I can't. I can't. Do it!

SPEAKER_10: 2:30:19

But I can't bet on the Bagels defense to get a stop. I can't. I cannot. I can't. Can we go to the next game? We'll come back to this one. Oh, you're gonna rethink about it? I'm gonna sit here.

SPEAKER_04: 2:30:29

Okay. Next game. San Fran at Cleveland. I'm taking San Fran. Are you really gonna take Cleveland?

SPEAKER_02: 2:30:42

No.

SPEAKER_04: 2:30:44

I'm taking San Fran because I just think that, you know, I think San Fran's a better football team. I know the Cleveland defense is awesome. I just think that San Fran is gonna be able to hold down Miles Garrett to where he's not gonna get multiple uh sacks in this game. What?

SPEAKER_10: 2:31:00

Sorry. No. I just like saying that. Um I'm gonna take a San Fran.

unknown: 2:31:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_10: 2:31:05

Yeah, no, they don't do shit against Miles Garrett. That nigga gets 48 sacks against him, and Brock Purdy throws 43 interceptions and um CMC runs for 148 yards.

SPEAKER_04: 2:31:14

Yeah, I just I just think that they're gonna get at least Brock Purdy dead like in tune for one game to kind of pull him back. And I just think they're gonna do just nothing in the football game. Oh, they they will if you throw a duck, they will get it.

SPEAKER_10: 2:31:32

Um the fucking uh they've they call him the ward goddamn Danzo Ward is so fucking very good. There's very few people in this NFO that week in week out. I I want to say he's probably a top three DB weekend, week out.

SPEAKER_04: 2:31:49

No, he's awesome, man. Yes.

SPEAKER_10: 2:31:51

There's very few DBs that I'm like, Jamar Chase is getting shut the fuck down today. And Joe Burrow's gonna throw that ball up. He's gonna throw it to Jamar Chase. Jamar's is gonna have five, six targets. That ball's never hitting his hands. It might hit his hands once.

SPEAKER_04: 2:32:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:32:05

But again, Denzel Ward is that guy.

SPEAKER_04: 2:32:08

Yeah, I just think San Francisco's gonna run the football, control the game a lot more, and I just don't think they're gonna let Shador go out there and make any big plays at all. Um, even with their defense not playing all that well. I just think they their play very disciplined, they can tackle. Yeah, they're not gonna let big plays happen. Next game, Jacksonville going to Tennessee. I'm taking Jacksonville.

SPEAKER_10: 2:32:25

Why?

SPEAKER_04: 2:32:26

Huh?

SPEAKER_10: 2:32:27

Why would the fuck is this even a game? Taking Jacksonville.

SPEAKER_04: 2:32:32

Jacksonville, you know it is what it is. Tennessee is you know one of the worst teams in the NFL. And uh it is what it is. Houston going to Indianapolis. I'm taking Houston.

SPEAKER_10: 2:32:39

I'm also taking Houston. That defense is elite.

SPEAKER_04: 2:32:42

I think CJ shot his back. He missed three games with the concussion. Let me check real quick. But there's one thing that has been proven over the last three games. If that offensive line has made a real big step up, and if they can keep that going, he is questionable. But they do see him coming back for this game. So and even with even if they have their back to come out and play, I do think they can win this football game. That defense is insane, and I don't think they're gonna let your favorite running back get the rushing yards he needs to get. I just think that that defense is all world, and no matter which quarterback plays, I think they're gonna win the game. I agree. Um, next game, New Orleans going to Miami.

SPEAKER_10: 2:33:27

This game is gross. I'm taking Miami. Oh, I'm taking Miami.

SPEAKER_04: 2:33:33

Me as well.

SPEAKER_10: 2:33:34

That is awful. I couldn't imagine being a New Orleans fan or a Miami fan.

SPEAKER_04: 2:33:39

Yeah, no doubt. That has to be tortured. The future is bleak. At least New Orleans, they had the Drew Brees, D Breeze years. They have at least a Super Bowl. And with Drew Brees, they were every year contender. So they at least they have that. Miami doesn't have shit to deal, like to hold their hat on. Dan Marino. There you go. And what was that in the 80s or 90s? Something like that? I think that was 80s, right?

SPEAKER_10: 2:34:02

Dan Marino may have played in the middle 70s.

SPEAKER_04: 2:34:05

No, he's Marino's definitely 80s.

SPEAKER_10: 2:34:09

I wouldn't doubt if he was drafted like 75.

SPEAKER_04: 2:34:13

Hold on, let me make sure. Dan Marino playing. 83 to 99. There we go. 80s and 90s. But yeah, they Miami doesn't even have that, so but you know, at least New Orleans has a little bit of something to hold their hat on. Miami does not have such, but recently. Yes, exactly. I'll take Miami to win that game, though. Next game, Atlanta going to the Jets.

unknown: 2:34:47

Jesus Christ. I'll take the Atlanta.

SPEAKER_04: 2:34:49

Me too.

SPEAKER_10: 2:34:50

At least Big Kirko can keep a consistent game.

SPEAKER_04: 2:34:54

Yeah, I believe so as well. I just think the Jets are just they're trying to lose football games as much as possible. Next game, Arizona going to Tampa Bay. Who knows if Baker Mayfield's going to play in this game?

SPEAKER_10: 2:35:08

That's my question. Arizona's a hard out, and I think if the backup's in, I'm going to go Arizona.

SPEAKER_04: 2:35:16

If there's any chance that he can play, he's going to want to play. But I think the team should tell him to take a seat. Even with their backup, I think. Oh man, Arizona is a hard out, though. And Tampa Bay's defense is not all that great. I'm going to take Arizona. Why not? Final decision? I already said I was taking Arizona. Arizona. Okay. Next game. LA Rams going to Carolina. Oh my god. That's a freaking bloodbath waiting to happen. They benched their starters before the end of the second half.

SPEAKER_10: 2:35:50

Oh no. Before the end of the first quarter. The first half. Before the end of the first half, they're benching to start.

SPEAKER_04: 2:35:55

These are professionals. It'll take till halftime.

SPEAKER_10: 2:35:57

But it'll be an absolute bloodbath.

SPEAKER_04: 2:36:00

Next game. Minnesota going to Seattle. Seattle dog walks them.

SPEAKER_10: 2:36:06

Seattle's going to fucking destroy them.

SPEAKER_04: 2:36:09

Minnesota's defense always makes it tough, but it's just that offense, J.J. McCarthy is so awful. I just, even with Seattle, like I think really 17 points wins this football game because of how bad Minnesota has been offensively. And Seattle can do that. Even with even if they struggle, like I said, as long as they don't have a bunch of picks out of Sam Darnold, they are going to win most of their football games. And I don't see anybody stopping JSN and they're going to throw the football to him like 20 times. And he's going to have around 10 catches, 150 yards, maybe a score or two. I take Seattle to win that game. Buffalo at Pittsburgh. I'm taking Buffalo.

SPEAKER_10: 2:36:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 2:36:51

I'm fucking done.

SPEAKER_10: 2:36:52

During the year, it's the game that Buffalo loses.

SPEAKER_04: 2:36:54

I don't care how good or bad. I just think.

SPEAKER_10: 2:36:58

Give me Schitzberg.

SPEAKER_04: 2:37:00

Okay. Good for you, sir. I'm not falling for that trap. I think Josh Allen's going to dick us down. He's going to have four total touchdowns, a couple rushing, a couple passing. And we won't be able to stop him. It's just it is what it is. Next game, we're going to have loss the Raiders going to the Chargers.

SPEAKER_10: 2:37:20

Chargers, a team that fizzled out quickly. Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 2:37:24

But they are, even their fizzle out, they're so much better than the Raiders. I agree. I'm taking Chargers. Chargers, it is. Next game, we got Denver going to Washington. Denver.

SPEAKER_06: 2:37:34

Denver.

SPEAKER_04: 2:37:37

Denver it is. Even they're actually saying that Jalen Daniels is pretty is closer to returning than not. Again, watching that br watching his elbow dislocate the way it did, I am so surprised that he's able to come back on a football field this fast. Like, even close. They're saying he's practicing already.

SPEAKER_10: 2:37:59

It is his left elbow.

SPEAKER_04: 2:38:00

It was his left, but like that looked ugly, dude. Like the only thing that could have made that worse was seeing bone come out of his skin. Because everything else was there. Like it was totally the whole arm was turned in on itself. It was so bad. But the fact he's even close to playing is absolutely insane. Medical, medical technology, man. It's insane. Last but not least, Monday night, New York Giants going to New England. I'm taking the Patriots. Why the fuck would I take the Giants? Taking the Patriots. Yeah. I do think even no matter which quarterback plays, I think the Giants really can make this game tough. But I think that's the Patriots are the better team. Patriots are the better team. They're playing at home. I just think all that playing in their favor, I think they win they get that. So we're back back to it. We gotta get your get your prediction before this is over. We can't end this podcast until it happens. We're back to Cincinnati and Baltimore, man. Are you gonna are you gonna make a make a pick against Joe Shistee?

SPEAKER_10: 2:38:57

I I I feel like I have to, you know?

SPEAKER_04: 2:39:00

Out of principle.

SPEAKER_10: 2:39:01

Out of that defense is shit, dude. It is shit. Derrick Henry's going to run all over the fucking yard. There is nothing we can do to stop that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:39:11

If we were able to bet the spread, Baltimore minus seven, I would I think I'm gonna bet the Bengals. I might bet I bet the Bengals plus the points because I just I think this is gonna be a close game, and I think that Baltimore defense is not good at all.

SPEAKER_10: 2:39:28

Joe Burr ain't packing played in eight fucking weeks. He's coming back a lot sooner than he probably should be.

SPEAKER_04: 2:39:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:39:39

Give me the bangles.

SPEAKER_05: 2:39:42

He can't do it. I can't.

SPEAKER_04: 2:39:45

Here's the problem is that when I feel this way, I don't get to have the that's my hero thing that Jace has with his Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is his hero. Like that's the person he believes in.

SPEAKER_10: 2:39:57

There is a fucking sparkle in my eye just looking at him at the stadium. I I was giddy. It is cold as shit. I don't like Pittsburgh. I'm giddy. I had Joe take a photo. That's that's why I was so excited.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40:11

That's his boy. And Jace don't like photos. That's not his boy.

SPEAKER_10: 2:40:14

I'm out here like I'm fucking nine years old. I'm wearing another grown man's jersey.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:40:20

I am giddy. I'm fucking all smiles.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40:24

That's your boy.

SPEAKER_10: 2:40:24

I got home, showed my girlfriend these photos. I don't do photos. Hey. Uh, dude, I I I can't.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40:33

I miss when I can believe in my quarterback that way.

SPEAKER_10: 2:40:36

I want to so bad, but I have an undying faith and trust in Joe Burrow, of in Joe we trust, of no matter what fucking happens, I believe I can we can win the game as long as he's standing on that fucking gridiron.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40:52

You always have a chance.

SPEAKER_10: 2:40:53

But goddamn is that defense bad.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40:56

It's so bad. It's so bad.

SPEAKER_10: 2:40:58

But you're right, Baltimore's been shit.

SPEAKER_04: 2:41:00

They have been. And they're and if and if Lamar is not gonna be able to get run around like he needs to, again, I they I could totally see Derrick Henry running for 200 yards and just running it down your throat and lewing winning that way. But it's just, I don't know, man. I'm just again, I'm gonna bet the Bengals plus the points, but I could totally see them winning this game. I really can. And I just think it's almost like divine intervention for you to be like so against your team winning games, and now Joe Burrow's gonna come back and he's gonna start doing it, and you're gonna have no choice but to jump on the train because it's Joe Scheisty, even though you know you want to make your team better for the long term, and they're just gonna start winning football games, and then maybe the Chiefs fall at some other point and they feel like you're not even gonna have them in the playoffs, and then you're gonna be all in because that's not no good enough. Chiefs in the playoffs, and then your Joe Burrow get in there, like, hey, which quarterback am I gonna is it gonna be better than Joe Burrow in the playoffs if there's no Patrick Mahomes?

SPEAKER_10: 2:42:00

There's no quarterback better than Joe Burrow in the playoffs if there's no Patrick Mahomes.

SPEAKER_04: 2:42:03

If there's no Mahomes, who's gonna beat us?

SPEAKER_10: 2:42:05

There's no better quarterback in the NFL if there's no Patrick Mahomes.

SPEAKER_04: 2:42:07

And then you're gonna be back all in, you're gonna be, and you're gonna have your heart ready to be ripped out again because you can't help yourself.

SPEAKER_10: 2:42:14

Real quick, let's say we go out there and beat the Ravens. Let's say, okay, let's say we go out there and manhandle the Ravens. Uh-huh. We put up, we're up by three touchdowns at the end of the game.

SPEAKER_04: 2:42:26

Your defense ain't good enough to be up by three touchdowns. True to be up by three touchdowns. Not for long. Not for long. Not for long.

SPEAKER_10: 2:42:35

But again, you give him you give him an inch, he's gonna take them out.

SPEAKER_04: 2:42:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:42:39

I'm gonna I I I'm going to watch the Bill games, regardless of the Ravens game. Yeah. And then if we beat the Bills.

SPEAKER_04: 2:42:46

You're you're on your you're on the back of your back on the train, my boy.

SPEAKER_10: 2:42:49

Then what? Then what?

SPEAKER_04: 2:42:50

You're gonna be all in, and you're gonna two three weeks from now, you're gonna be you're gonna be uttering the word Super Bowl and meaning it. And then and then I'm gonna have to talk you off the ledge again. I'm gonna have to bring you back to the real world.

SPEAKER_10: 2:43:03

It is an ecstasy when the Bangles, the Bengals, and we in any week after 10 is some of the best football you can watch. No matter what year it is.

SPEAKER_04: 2:43:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:43:14

Of they're going to give you a light show.

SPEAKER_09: 2:43:19

I have to. I have to. I have to rock a Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_04: 2:43:26

You have to.

SPEAKER_09: 2:43:26

I have to.

SPEAKER_04: 2:43:27

And almost to a certain degree, you're hoping for the losses to come so you can you can stay grounded in your beliefs.

SPEAKER_10: 2:43:33

I have to hope they can they lose to the Ravens.

SPEAKER_04: 2:43:37

Because that'll knock you out altogether. It feels like it almost like knocks you out at any chance. But you know you're gonna like, hey, playoffs aren't an option. We're gonna go ahead and get a pick, make our team better for the future, maybe hire a better head coach and do it that way.

SPEAKER_10: 2:43:52

But I just think that's the other thing is winning only prolongs the inevitable of why is Zach Taylor still here? Yep, I totally agree. Oh, because we made it to the fucking divisional round.

SPEAKER_04: 2:44:02

That's all Joe Burrow's. That's all on Joe Burrow. That's Zach Zach Taylor has nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_10: 2:44:07

I don't know how the ownership is not correlated to with no Joe Burrow. Zach Taylor is awful.

SPEAKER_04: 2:44:12

Again, they just don't again, I don't even think it's that. I just think they just don't want to pay him to go away. That's what you're gonna have to do because he's still under contract.

unknown: 2:44:18

Yeah, because your dumbass is extended his ass.

SPEAKER_04: 2:44:21

Yeah, because they just but they're just so cheap, they're never gonna want to just pay him to go away, and they're not gonna want to do that, and because they're gonna let him play it out, and they're just never gonna make that decision unless Joe Burrow walks into that office and says, get rid of him now. But I just think Joe Burrow's so indifferent because he's like, hey, as long as I'm on the field, that dude don't matter.

SPEAKER_08: 2:44:40

As long as I'm here, we can win. Right.

SPEAKER_10: 2:44:42

And real quick, when we first got him and he was like, as long as I'm playing, the door is always open.

SPEAKER_04: 2:44:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10: 2:44:49

I didn't believe it. Famous quote, famous quote when he said that. I didn't believe in that until I started seeing it. I was like, damn, this nigga was not like it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:44:58

He makes again him coming back right now when there's like a sliver of a chance, and he's like, hey, there's still a chance I'm coming back, even if it's off an injury, even if like that sliver of a chance as long as I can play, I'm gonna go out there and do it.

SPEAKER_10: 2:45:09

It is a hope that is sent to the city of Cincinnati that most people in the city of Cincinnati didn't want no more.

SPEAKER_04: 2:45:14

Right. Exactly. They almost resigned themselves, like, hey, we can go get a draft pick and he'll be ready for next year, and then he sparks, he gives you a little spark. And if y'all start winning games, it'll only turn into a raging fire and uh and then get too close to a raging inferno, and then not submit, like I said, if Kansas City finds a way to slip up and then you won't see them in the playoffs, if the playoffs are an option, you're only see them in the playoffs, you're gonna you're gonna be hit cloud nine really fast, and it's gonna be it's gonna be insane. It's gonna be insane to deal with you if you if they manage to come back out of the hellhole that they have dug themselves. Well, not dug themselves, because Joe Burrow did get hurt, but like the hole that they were in with Joe Burrow being out, and then they able to dig themselves out and maybe make the playoffs. I already find you sometimes intolerable when it comes to talking about the NFL because it's all about Joe Burrow and nothing else really matters, but it'll only get worse if Joe Burrow pulls this off. It is what it is on that. But again, like I said, you were never gonna pick against Joe Sicey, man. It's if he's available, all hope is there, and you just can't help yourself. And I you know what? I I admire that in you. I I admire the fact you had that opportunity. Again, I haven't felt that way since Ben left, so it is what it is. I I'm I'm a little jealous.

SPEAKER_10: 2:46:30

Like an abusive eggs. I know what it's gonna end up as. At the end of the day, I know what it's gonna be. Yeah, but I keep coming back.

SPEAKER_04: 2:46:40

Yeah, man. Just keep coming back. It is what it is. This will be a fun, it'll be a fun weekend, Michael. You starting tomorrow, and then we have a bunch of days of football coming up. Um, again, we won't have another podcast uh for later later on this week because we're just doing it all in one. So we we won't see you back until next Tuesday. So for anybody out there, have a great Thanksgiving and enjoy fit time, family, friend, family, friends, watching football, have fun doing all that. We'll see you then. And let's just end the podcast here. So if you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you just now joining on. Hopefully, you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride to talk about sports in the dumbest way possible. We're available on all platforms out there. Just look us up, JV Sports Podcast, and you will find us anywhere you listen to your podcast. Uh also, uh share us, friends, family, enemies, anybody if you like to enjoy the podcast, we put it on a weekly basis, and then as long as there's not a holiday, two times during the week during the regul during the football season. And then last but not least, follow us on Twitter and or X, whatever you'd like to call it, at JV Sports Pod is the podcast handle, at Javante Boozer is my handle, and at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I'll hand it over to Jace so he can finish off the pod.

SPEAKER_08: 2:47:52

This has been the JBSports podcast. Thank you guys. A nice night, and a nice holiday. Goodbye, y'all.

SPEAKER_04: 2:48:01

Bye y'all. See y'all next week.