Buckeyes Roar, Burrow's Return, Chaos Everywhere

A coaching bombshell, a rivalry reset, and a league-wide reality check—this one has everything. We start with Lane Kiffin’s messy jump from Ole Miss to LSU and why timing, NIL leverage, and staff poaching can fracture a playoff run before a snap. From there, we break the college football board: Texas punches A&M and turns to resume politics, Georgia wins ugly but sturdy, and Ohio State suffocates Michigan while Ryan Day flips the narrative with composure and a ruthless game plan. Heisman stakes tighten, Oregon’s balance outlasts Washington, and the committee’s toughest knot becomes Miami vs. Notre Dame—head-to-head vs. current form—while the Group of Five auto-bid looms.

Then the NFL grabs the mic. The Lions’ injuries and play-calling wobble meet a sharper Packers unit, while the Cowboys play with purpose—Dak decisive, CeeDee inevitable, pressure packages hitting home. The Chiefs’ problem isn’t Mahomes; it’s a defense that can’t rush or cover, forcing perfection snaps that don’t exist in December. Joe Burrow’s return instantly shifts the AFC North math, the Eagles’ offense stalls again, and the Bears keep stacking identity with run control and timely shots. The 49ers handle business, the Texans’ defense looks terrifying with Stroud back to steady, and the Panthers remind everyone that parity punishes sloppy favorites. We also ask the hard question on Shedeur Sanders: how long do we grade on context before we grade the tape?

If you want straight talk on coaching fit, playoff positioning, and which pro teams are pretenders or problems, you’ll feel right at home. Tap follow, share with a friend who loves the chaos, and drop a review to help more fans find the show. Who’s your top four and which NFL team are we overrating? Tell us.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open, Audio Banter, Setup
• 1:42 Shador, Bryce Young, Patience For QBs
• 5:31 College Coaching Carousel Explodes
• 8:37 Lane Kiffin Leaves Ole Miss For LSU
• 12:04 Kentucky Fires Stoops, Staff Dominoes
• 15:50 Penn State’s Coaching Search Stalls
• 18:56 Michigan State Hires Pat Fitzgerald Debate
• 24:18 Florida, Auburn New Hires And Fit
• 27:02 Texas Upsets A&M, Playoff Resume Spin
• 31:20 Georgia Wins Ugly, SEC Bye Stakes
• 34:32 Ohio State Dominates Michigan, Narrative Flip
• 41:52 Heisman Stakes And Big Ten Title Math
• 45:18 Oregon Handles Washington, Oklahoma Fraud Watch
• 49:30 Alabama Beats Auburn, SEC Title Scenarios
• 53:08 Miami, Notre Dame, Bubble Math
• 56:42 Group Of Five Spot And Relegation Rant
• 1:02:12 NFL Thanksgiving: Lions Wobble, Cowboys Surge
• 1:08:31 Chiefs’ Defense Problem, Dak Cooking
• 1:12:39 Burrow Returns, Ravens Regress
• 1:17:26 Eagles’ Stagnant Offense, Bears Rise
• 1:21:10 49ers Roll Browns, Shador Ceiling Talk
• 1:26:20 Texans’ Defense Elite, Stroud Steady
• 1:30:16 Jets Nip Falcons, Tampa Holds Off Cards
• 1:34:56 Panthers Shock Rams, Parity Reality
• 1:38:42 Vikings Spiral, Seahawks Steady
• 1:41:22 Steelers Pain Index, Bills Cruise
• 1:46:12 Chargers Handle Raiders, Herbert Injury
• 1:48:40 Broncos Edge Washington In OT
• 1:52:08 Patriots Thump Giants, Super Bowl Speculation
• 1:56:40 Picks Record Update And TNF: Cowboys At Lions

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:10

Welcome back, Gibbs of the Podcast. Today is Tuesday, December the second.

SPEAKER_00: 0:16

Why are you so monotone? You do that, it makes me want to turn your mic up and then we're gonna I'm gonna say something about Joe Burrow and then you're gonna start wall walling everywhere, and then I'm gonna have to turn it back and turn it back down again. Yeah, I got I gotta be like, because here's the thing, because when I do the podcast and I put try to process it and do it all that, it tells me when the peak when the spikes happen, the peak. And when like clipping. It depends on the episode. If it's something very like you're very into it and like you're we're arguing back and forth, there's a lot of peaking. But then there's other times where you're like a lot more chill and like borderline going to sleep, and I'm sitting here doing it by myself and it's all f all good. So it just depends. It depends on what kind of podcast we're gonna have. But but guess what? We have some Joe Burrow playing good, so you are gonna have a little bit of peeking because you're gonna have to do your thing. You're gonna have to talk about him there. But before we get to the Joe Burrow stuff and all the NFL. Oh, yeah, yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14

Actually, he didn't play that one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17

It didn't play great either.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19

He was 16 at 25.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21

Yeah, but you played the touchdown. Yeah, but I don't know. Against the Patriots. For how long is I don't want to go to such a long conversation about it, but just a question for you to chew chew on while I talk about this cosplay stuff because you're not gonna want to be involved. How long can he sit on the idea that he was not given the opportunity before people like have to start like actually comparing his performances to what they need a starting quarterback to be? You see what I'm saying? Like he he can only blame everybody else for so long. At some point, you're gonna have to look at him and be like, hey, are you playing good enough or not? So I'm just saying, just think about that. And then once we get to the Browns game later, we can have that conversation. But I'm just like, for two games, yeah, for sure, and you're probably gonna get that for the rest of this season. But what happens when you go into next season and for whatever reason he ends up keeping the job and then he like still doesn't play well? Like, what are we gonna do then?

SPEAKER_02: 2:19

I think he's playing fine.

SPEAKER_00: 2:24

Okay, but is fine gonna lead to him being a starting quarterback in the NFL for the next five to ten years in the AFC?

SPEAKER_03: 2:34

If he's consistent like he has been, where he's just been consistent, he just needs to throw the ball consistently. I think I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:43

No, because he's having similar out per out outputs to Bryce Young. If Bryce Young was drafted in the fifth round, we would have be, we would see we'd be fine with that, but he was drafted in the first round, so now we're saying he's awful and he doesn't need to be in the NFL. But Shador and him are having very and he Shador's not even having the crazy outputs like Bryce has this year. But again, Bryce Young's been in the league for a couple years. This is third year. And Bryce Young's a more talented player, even though he's allegedly. No, I would say as an arm, he has a he has more he's a more talented thrower of the football. We've we've seen it twice in the last four weeks. That was one of my like things that I've seen over the last couple weeks, and I'm like, well, do we have to have a real conversation about what Bryce Young's future is? Because like he might actually be better. Better the better than not like just like getting getting rid of him and just saying he doesn't need to be in the NFL. Even though he's small. Like all those things that I've talked about him negatively on, I still believe. But like he's putting, he's having some outputs where I'm like a normal, like an everyday dude can't do that. So like, do you need to give a guy like that more time and say, does he like give him the opportunity to start keep growing?

SPEAKER_03: 3:54

Or is it is too much time.

SPEAKER_00: 3:57

That's what I'm asking about Shador. That's the same thing.

SPEAKER_03: 4:00

Okay, but again, Bryce Young was a first-round talent who's been a starter for three years.

SPEAKER_00: 4:05

Yeah, and he's had been he's Shador's played two games. For sure. It doesn't help if Shador talks like he's been doing it for two years now.

SPEAKER_03: 4:14

So I I agree. So does Shador get this three gets three years like Bryce Young? Because Bryce Young's gonna get his fourth.

SPEAKER_00: 4:21

Yeah, but b but I understand Bryce Young being given that time because he was a first round pick. So you they used a pick on him that implies, hey, we have to give him every opportunity. But when you use a pick, use a fifth round pick on somebody, that that's like candy. True.

SPEAKER_03: 4:36

He won't have to be paid here soon. They're only on two year deals.

SPEAKER_00: 4:42

Three. I'm pretty sure it's three-year deals. Anything after the first round is a three-year deal, I think.

SPEAKER_03: 4:48

Check that.

SPEAKER_00: 4:52

Should I just look up Shador's con Shador's contract?

SPEAKER_03: 4:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 4:58

Shador Sanders. It was a four-year rookie contract worth approximately four point six.

SPEAKER_03: 5:07

Yeah, his was totally different.

SPEAKER_00: 5:12

Sorry, so it's still a fourth, fourth year deal, but they don't have the fifth-year option.

SPEAKER_03: 5:16

No, uh again, I think his was totally different. Maybe.

SPEAKER_00: 5:21

Yeah, it's it. Four-year deal. But still, they're paying him nothing. They can drop him without much of an issue. Okay, so we'll get to we'll get to more of Shador later. I have written out all this stuff for College Football to where I think it'll go a little bit faster as I just get my thoughts out, and then uh we'll be able to get to the NFL faster so Jace isn't totally bored. So College Well College Football weekend recap from everything since we last podcasted. What was that on Wednesday last week? I want to first go through the news when it comes to all the coaching hires and stuff, and then we'll get to the games from this past weekend, and then we'll get to we obviously won't have the college ball playoff to react to, so I'll just give a couple of thoughts like what will come into effect when it comes to when they do the uh rankings for tonight, and then that'll be then we'll go to the NFL stuff. So Lane Kiffin is a messy motherfucker. Lane Kiffin, now the LSU head coach.

SPEAKER_03: 6:19

Oh, who could have seen that coming?

SPEAKER_00: 6:21

Well, the thing is, like, yes, but like he so story is he's with Ole Miss. Ole Miss is at 11-1 season this this season, and they're gonna be in the playoff. No if, and or buts about it, but it has been news over the last two to three weeks that both Florida and LSU, who had fired their head coaches earlier on this season, were looking at him to be the guy to fill their head coaching position. All that time he was he's been playing coy, he's been saying, I'm gonna I'm still coaching Ole Miss, I'm taking my time, I'm gonna make my decision. And then I think like a week and a half ago, it said they said that it was gonna be like, oh, we're gonna make this decision after the egg bowl, which was this past Friday. And then the news came and it went into Saturday that they were supposed to have a team meeting where he was supposed to speak to with the team, and then it leaked into Monday, I mean Sunday, and then by the Sunday, it was LSU was kind of forcing the decision on him because it pretty much was shut what it was said to be that he had chosen to be at LSU, but the question was that hey, I know I'm gonna go coach at LSU. I know I'm leaving you, Ole Miss, but I'm still I still want to be the head coach for this Ole Miss team on the playoff run. And Ole Miss, the AD and the um and the president were like, hell no. You're gonna leave us to go to a conference rival to give you more time to not only take our coaches but to potentially take our players too. We're not gonna do that because it just seems like we have to have a little bit of self-respect. Because to be honest, it seems like that Lane Kiff was gonna leave for LSU no matter what, anyway. That decision was already made. And he was just trying to have his cake and eat it too, and still be able to coach Ole Miss in the playoff run while still making the moves to be the head coach at LSU. So then, once that news came out, he gave an ultimatum to his offensive head coaches, offensive coaching staff, and said, if you're not on the plane with me going LSU today, you're not gonna have a job. That was the ultimatum he gave those head coaches. Those sorry, the coach on that side. Not not everybody went with him. I think it was like a head, the head strength coach, and then the I think it was the what do they call it? The GM of the Ole Miss went with him, and then there's a couple other guys, but like not everybody went with him, and then after that, Ole Miss made the defensive coordinator the head coach, this now head coach, because they're trying to keep it together because they still have to go to the college football playoff. They still have games to play, they're not gonna be in the SEC championship game, but they at least have one more game left, and they have to try to keep the team together that they have for right now. And all this kind of goes crazy. They're asking him, and they like he's getting interviewed on the tarmac, and is like, hey, why are you leaving for LSU? And he's like, I'm not gonna talk about that because they gave him like 12, like 13 million guaranteed per year,$25 million per year when it comes to NIL. Money, money, money. Money, money. But LSU, but and I think this is what's what has been proven over the last couple years, where you know, Kurtz Ignetti at Indiana or Vanderbilt having their first 10 and two seasons since like 1915. You don't have to be at those major college programs to have a chance to go to the playoffs and go reach those dreams. Maybe it's not consistent, but you don't have to be, but you have an opportunity to go and compete on an every year basis because of the new state of college football. And he took the money, he made a very selfish decision, but he wanted to kind of like play both sides, and every time he's been asked about it since, he's like, Oh, but they won't let me do it. And I'm sitting here like, he's making a very selfish decision, and then making everybody else like because there's a lot of like other like college ball media people that were like, Oh, why should why wouldn't they let him coach? And like trying to make people feel bad for him, but really it was a man making a selfish decision to go coach at a bigger place, wanting to have that opportunity, but he wasn't willing to make the grown-up decision to do it sooner because he waited so long now. Ellis, like Ole Miss didn't have a real opportunity to go, say, maybe go hire the head coach they wanted they wanted because everybody else had either found a new job or they already decided to sign a new a bigger contract where they're at. So it was a very messy situation, all in all, and he was also claiming that he was going to poach all the players possible to go to LSU, and it's like a whole thing. But this is Lane Kiff, and everywhere he has been has ended in disaster. At Tennessee, he left there after a year to go with USC. USC, he got fired on the on the tarmac uh getting off the plane. Uh he was at freaking Oakland where they were with the Raiders. Like everything he has been a part of has ended in disaster. And for whatever reason, people are trying to make up for it and make you see like he's like a much better guy, which I'm not gonna say he's a terrible person, but he made a selfish decision and it's very messy the way that he handled it. If he would have just done it weeks, if he wanted to coach at Ole Miss, he could have just stayed at Ole Miss. But he decided to make a me decision, go to LSU, because that place is an absolute disaster. They have more money, but that's a disaster. And he decided to take that trip, but it was just a very messy situation that was a lot of news coming out of it. That I think that it was a it was a very fun time to be looking on Twitter at every like every hour or so, and there'd be something else new coming out about how Lane Kiffin's making it a messier situation. Stop taking my water, you dirty bastard.

SPEAKER_03: 11:42

So good.

SPEAKER_00: 11:43

Yeah, they are, but that's the water I need to drink so I can do this podcast. You went and drank all of yours all in one failed swoop, and that was after you stole that one from me. Good. Put the cat back on and give it back.

SPEAKER_01: 11:55

Bro, actually nice.

SPEAKER_00: 11:57

Please, can you please give me my water back? We'll keep it podcast. Hurry up, podcast boy. Next one. Mark Stoops. After after the uh Kentucky had lost this past weekend, he claimed that he was not going to be fired. He's he said that pretty much without like I'm not really quoting this, but all intents of purpose, he said, I'm not leaving. I'm I'm stuck here. They go and fire him 24 hours later. And they replaced him with Oregon offensive coordinator Will Stein.

SPEAKER_02: 12:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 12:27

Him, Mark Stoops had been been there for like 15 years, and he had pretty much been doing the bare minimum there. And it got to a point where like, hey, they want to actually want to do a little bit more winning because they're giving you more money to have NIL to get players and all of that. But good offensive coordinator, he's been doing very good at Oregon over the last few years, and I'm just glad that that head coaching position got filled because it was news that um Brian Hartline was going to interview there and potentially go there. And if he goes, wide receiver U might take a little bit of a hit for the next couple years or so. A lot of bit of a hit. You will never be wide receiver U again. Jeremiah Smith is not gonna leave here to go to L go to Kentucky.

SPEAKER_03: 13:04

No, but suddenly Kentucky's gonna be the greatest wide receiver school ever known to man.

SPEAKER_00: 13:08

Yeah, but Kentucky still can't give the money that Ohio State can. So it's fine.

SPEAKER_03: 13:12

Brian Hartline don't know. But he's the coach, but he's the coaching guy. That's my resume.

SPEAKER_00: 13:16

Yeah, for sure. I get it. I get it. I'm just glad he's there's nowhere else for him to go because everybody, everything's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_03: 13:21

Real quick, you will never be wide receiver U without him.

SPEAKER_00: 13:24

We were LS. We weren't wide receiver U before him. No, for sure we were not. He turned out you won't be that. No, I can agree to that. I can agree. And again, it'll just be a little bit of a change. I got we maybe I'm a little bit fat and happy off of having Jeremiah's in JSN's.

SPEAKER_03: 13:42

A little bit of a change.

SPEAKER_00: 13:43

In Chris Olave's and Garrett Wolves.

SPEAKER_03: 13:46

Never have wide receivers as good as them ever again.

SPEAKER_00: 13:49

You can't say never.

SPEAKER_03: 13:50

Supreme talent.

SPEAKER_00: 13:53

Yep, we've Real quick, Jeremiah Smith was the only guy. Not at this rate. I can say not at this rate.

SPEAKER_03: 13:58

Jeremiah Smith was the only guy on his list who was ranked the best receiver in this class. You almost can't fuck that up. The rest of them were like eight or nine, thirteen, fourteen.

SPEAKER_00: 14:11

That's not true. Carnell Tate was a number one receiver when he came out. Who was that? Carnell Tate, the other guy, the guy on the other side.

SPEAKER_03: 14:17

Yeah, cool. Garrett Wilson was three.

SPEAKER_00: 14:19

Garrett Wilson was up there. Olave was a little bit. Olave was a no. He was like a three-star.

SPEAKER_03: 14:23

He was not up there. No, he wasn't. Marvin Harrison was decently up there.

SPEAKER_00: 14:26

Marvin Harris was a four-star. He wasn't a five-star, but he was a four-star.

SPEAKER_03: 14:29

Again, he was decently up there. For sure. JSN wasn't super high up there. JSN was actually decently high. He was a five-star, but he wasn't on the street. Oh yeah, he wasn't like number one. No five stars. He was not the number one receiver in his class.

SPEAKER_00: 14:42

So I get it. And the only issue is that Penn State, the team that fired their head coach first, by the way, still has not hired anybody.

SPEAKER_03: 14:52

I'm still really confused about that. They fired James Franklin a while ago.

SPEAKER_00: 14:56

Yeah, and they were going after Kalani Sataki, who is BYU's head coach. And apparently, do you know the guy that made uh that crumble cookies? Guy that owns that company went to BYU. And apparently they're getting their money together to try to keep him. So Penn State can't get him. So that's a potential issue because Penn State's been through all these dudes, and like none of them have taken the offer to go coach at Penn State, which is kind of crazy because Penn State is, I'm not saying they're a top 10 program, but they're like a top 20 easy, top 15 most years. But like they're neck the guy's been trying to get out the most, he might not even go there. So it's like a whole thing, and they were saying Heartline might be an option to go to Penn State, but I'm like, that may be too big of a job to go to at first. That's not a place. You guys have already filled that position, and I will get to that next. Michigan State fires Jonathan Smith after two years and replaces him with former Northwestern head coach Pat Fitzgerald. Which I like I told you before is a great decision, I think, because he did it at Northwestern. He was winning 10 games a year at Northwestern, where they have the money when they have the academic issues. You can't bring in dummies to Northwestern, it's not gonna happen. And he did get fired because they were they put they pinned a saying that he knew about the um hazing that was happening there. It's this guy. That's why his name's so familiar. I don't want him at my fucking school. He sued them and he got money back. So like they actually were able to prove that he knew nothing about any of it.

SPEAKER_03: 16:27

Bullshit. They proved it. Your head coach don't know nothing. How'd they prove it? How'd they prove it? Okay, hold on. Did they prove he didn't know anything or could they not prove that he knew it, that he knew about it? There's a difference because they couldn't 100% prove he knew about it and was taking part in it.

SPEAKER_00: 16:45

It was civil court because he sued them for money. So they're probably it's a lower standard of proof.

SPEAKER_01: 16:50

Oh this nigga skated. He skated.

SPEAKER_03: 16:56

I knew his name was fucking familiar. I was tweaking. I was like, why the fuck do I feel like I watched documentary about this shit? It's because I fucking did on YouTube. Wasn't this the same motherfucker that had kids on like Suicide Watch?

SPEAKER_00: 17:14

No, yes. Different guy. Different guy.

SPEAKER_03: 17:17

There was players from his school who had to be on Suicide Watch because they were being fucking hazed. I don't want this nigga at my school.

SPEAKER_00: 17:26

That's going might be a little too far, maybe, possibly.

SPEAKER_03: 17:28

No, it's not. I I now that you're saying this to me, I now remember I watched a 35-minute video on like the biggest football scandals.

SPEAKER_00: 17:37

This was fucking one of them. Northwestern set has came out and said that he was not like he was not culpable for what was happening.

SPEAKER_03: 17:46

They don't want to pay him any more money.

SPEAKER_00: 17:48

No, but no, they have to.

SPEAKER_03: 17:51

What level of court was he in?

SPEAKER_00: 17:53

It was civil court. Probably civil court if I had to say.

SPEAKER_03: 17:55

Oh, so there was no jury. Let's look at me. Let's be 100% honest. If a jury was brought in and witnesses were brought in, this nigga was guilty.

SPEAKER_00: 18:05

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03: 18:10

You're saying all his other coaches knew, but the head coach, the number one guy on the list of coaches, had no clue any of this was happening. He had no idea this was happening.

SPEAKER_00: 18:21

When it comes to hazing, that's not something a coach really cares about.

SPEAKER_03: 18:25

My nigga, it oh, you don't know shit about this then. Did you read any about this?

SPEAKER_00: 18:32

Uh yes, I read it even more.

SPEAKER_03: 18:33

Oh, it was encouraged by fucking coaches, you motherfucker.

SPEAKER_00: 18:36

Not him. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01: 18:37

Oh, no, they just can't prove he did. Fuck you! Again, in the court system, you just said you don't need as much evidence.

SPEAKER_03: 18:46

They just couldn't prove it. And of course, in a in the level of court they were in, they couldn't prove he wasn't.

SPEAKER_01: 18:53

True.

SPEAKER_03: 18:55

But I'm guessing they also couldn't disprove he wasn't. They can disprove he didn't take a part of it. But I'm guessing if you went any higher and you brought in a former player, this motherfucker would have been fucked.

SPEAKER_00: 19:11

All the players loved him. All the players were behind him totally. They were saying that he knew nothing about anything. Again, all we can go is what would they say, because at the end of the day, we're not gonna truly gonna know.

SPEAKER_03: 19:22

So I have a womanizer.

SPEAKER_00: 19:24

Not a womanizer.

SPEAKER_03: 19:25

No, no, no. Not a womanizer. I have a so I have a pa uh a player pair, a womanizer, just a shitty fucking coach. He was just dog waller. Jonathan Smith was terrible. He was dog ass.

SPEAKER_00: 19:37

Very bad.

SPEAKER_03: 19:38

And a dude who abused his players.

SPEAKER_00: 19:41

He did not do the abusing.

SPEAKER_03: 19:44

He did the abusing. If the glove don't fit, quit. That's what you're telling me.

SPEAKER_00: 19:51

Look, I think he's a very good head coach. I think without having the academic stuff and the fact that paying players is also an option, I think Michigan State has enough money to get by and be able to be very competitive. And I think he's a very good head coach that knows how to put like develop players.

SPEAKER_03: 20:06

This has all been said two years ago now. This was all said and said to me before. Yeah, but he's done it in the Big Ten. Oh, that's crazy. Again, this was all said to me two years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 20:16

Yeah, but Jonathan Smith had never done it in the Big Ten. He only did it in the Pac-12, which sucked.

SPEAKER_03: 20:20

And doesn't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_00: 20:21

Doesn't exist anymore because how bad it was. Pat Fitzgerald has done it in the Big Ten. I think he will be a very good pick for you guys. Nick Marsh don't believe it, or at least he's gonna take a payday go somewhere else.

unknown: 20:33

He'll be paid. He's gonna get paid.

SPEAKER_00: 20:35

Everybody's like, oh, he's gonna go to Michigan. I'm like, uh Michigan give out money like that. He might go to LSU though. If he goes to Michigan, that would be hurtful, right? You'd you'd hate it.

SPEAKER_03: 20:46

That would make a lot of sense. That would make a lot of sense. That Michigan would shell out for a receiver like that, knowing their receivers are fucking.

SPEAKER_00: 20:54

No, but here's the thing. They had a very talented freshman receiver that had played well this year, but guess what? They got him no touches in the game. Which is hilarious how that goes, because you know. Yeah, but I think it was more about them not trusting Bryce to actually make a decision.

SPEAKER_03: 21:06

I agree. He's very I don't I when he plays, I'm like, I don't know if you're good or bad. Sometimes I feel like he's fucking mid.

SPEAKER_00: 21:12

We're gonna get to that. Um, next one. Gators Florida Gators hire two lane head coach John Summerall to be their head coach. Very good offensive guy. It's another second head coach in a row where they're taking a guy from the FC from the FCS. Tulane. Tulane's not, no, they're in the FPS. Sorry. My bad. Tulane's in the FPS because they might get make the playoff potentially. Um so another guy from a lower division, not not power five, not power four school, to then come to your head coach. The last group, sorry, yes, a group of five. They're bringing another guy from a group of five that had not proven it in the power four yet. And it's second coach in the world.

SPEAKER_03: 21:53

They've been at Tulane for a while. Been there for a minute. Because they got they're so pretty new to the FBS. I think they don't I don't think they're up here. I don't think they've been in the FBS for ten years yet.

SPEAKER_00: 22:07

Yeah, but they've still they've managed to be a very talented school and plus with him as head coach, though. Yeah, for sure. But again, he I think he as long as Florida has their money right and everything, I think he can be a better head coach than what they've had. But again, you don't know until it truly happens. So that's gonna be something you're gonna have to take a take a look at. And then I mentioned the old miss hiring Pete Golding. Auburn hires USF head coach Alex Golish to bring offense back to Auburn. He made a he had a very good offense at U USF, the same USF team that beat Florida um earlier on this season with a very explosive offense. I think he'll be a very good head coach. Auburn did have an offensive guy be their head coach last time, but you know, Hugh Freeze was like a guy that has like not really been good for a while, and they were trying to make it work there. So hopefully Alex Golish will be a much different type of guy, and I think he'll be a little bit more focused on making sure Auburn gets as best as they can be. All right, that's all the news. Uh let's get to the games. Uh, number 16, Texas, led by running, led by a great running game and some splash plays from Arch both in the air and on the ground. Hands Texas AM their first loss of the season, 27 to 17. Manning's leg showed up. Um it slowed up Annem's pass rush to have enough time, enough of a passing game to keep them honest and support the running game of running back Quintate Quintavion Weisner, I think. I think Quint nope. Nope. I had his name right. I Quentin Weisner. Nope. Quintravion Weisner. Sorry, my bad.

SPEAKER_03: 23:44

You weren't going black.

SPEAKER_00: 23:45

Too black for me. Too black, too black. Quintravion. Quintravion Weisner. He had over. Oh, you really want to. Oh, you got this? Hold on. Let me get.

SPEAKER_04: 23:55

Oh, Q-U-N.

SPEAKER_00: 23:58

Q U I N T-R-E-V-I-O-N. Capitals in there. It just has it's ESPN. Everything's capitalized on the name. Quentravion Weiser.

SPEAKER_04: 24:11

Weisner.

SPEAKER_00: 24:12

But he had over a hundred yards in this game. He had 155. And then Arch had like another 50 rushing by himself. He had a rushing touchdown. But no, Arch wasn't amazing in this game, but he did enough. He didn't turn the football over, and that was like the biggest thing. Weisner, like I said, had 155 yards. Arch 53 yards and a touchdown. Rushing. But then it was Texas AM, like with their turnovers late in the game, that kind of sealed it for him to where Texanem couldn't really come back. And then but yeah, it was just a it was weird how dominant Texas was able to be on the ground against a very good Tex Sandem defensive line. But it's just as soon as Texas was able to kind of get ahead and kind of keep things rolling, it just felt like it was a hole that AM just couldn't get out of. Marcel Reid didn't really play all that great. 20 of 32, 180 yards, zero touchdowns, two picks. And they just kept him in the pocket. Every time he felt like he was going to run away, most of the time they were picking him up and getting him. But there were sometimes he was able to get outside the pocket, just wasn't enough in this game to kind of come back and win it. But this does put make a weird scenario because Texas AM is not out of the playoff at this point. They're stuck in there because they had been so good for so long this season. Now the question is, Texas being at 16, what is it, what is their ranking going to be tonight? And then are they going to be in the playoffs or are they going to need a little bit more room to try to get back in? Because after this game was over, it was um why am I forgetting their coaches? Uh why am I forgetting his name? No, no, no. I had it. Uh I can't help you in this one. I know. I got it. I got it. It's uh Oh no. I suck. No, I had it. I literally had his name in my brain. Um Steve Sarkeesian. I I was halfway towards typing it up to try to figure it out. Steve Sarkeesian, after the game, was like right away talking about we're the first team to beat three teams in the top ten at the time, and la. Talking about all the things they had done, but yet here's the problem. And they want to use the Ohio State game they played early on at the first game of the year as like a thing to be like, oh, we shouldn't be having games against these top teams in the non-conference. But the problem is not that you lost to Ohio State. The problem is that you got blown out by Georgia, and then you also got beat by Florida, a four-and-eight team. Those are the games that you should worry about. Not the game that you lost against Ohio State, because I don't think anybody would blame them for losing that game earlier on in the year, but the real the games that you that are the real problems as to why they're not going to be getting into the playoffs if they don't get in, is that Georgia game where they were not all that competitive, and that Florida game where you lost to a team you shouldn't have lost to. And that's the part that sucks because then they're sending out memos to everybody that would hear them and take it about all these things that they have done throughout this year to kind of justify them getting into the playoff being at nine and three. But I'm just like, don't lose that Florida game and you're in. But now, just like every year, there's going to be a team that's going to be begging to get into the playoffs and Steve Sarkeesian did it. Again, I didn't have a lot of um respect for him in the first place, so it wasn't like I was surprised. Like when Nick Saban did it five, six years ago when he did it for Alabama. I was truly surprised because Nick Saban never really ever did that in his career. So, but I wasn't surprised by Sarkeesian doing it, but I was kind of like even more disappointed because it's just like, come on, you're Texas. You shouldn't have to be groveling like this to try to get a playoff spot. You just don't lose to Florida and you'd be fine. But they did, and that's a problem for them. Number four, Georgia beat number 23, Georgia Tech, by limiting Georgia Tech's running game. That put all the offense on Hanes King's arm. And even though Georgia did not have a great game from quarterback Gunnar Stockton, they didn't need it because they had almost 200 yards on the ground by themselves. It was a slog of a game, and Georgia won it 16-9. But like I said, it was just the fact that Georgia Tech just could not get into the end zone, especially it was just they just could they the they limited the running game so much for Georgia Tech, especially when they got into the red zone, they just really couldn't get punch it, really punch it in. But the way I look at it is just like Georgia's been doing this all year where they've like have a couple games where they have kind of exploded offensively, but for the most part, they've been really inconsistent with Gunnar Stockness their quarterback. But in this game, I'll give them their credit that they did figure out at least a decent enough running game to beat Georgia Tech and get the game over with. But again, it wasn't the most impressive game out of Georgia, but it's just it doesn't really matter because they're Georgia, they're in the SEC title game, and the question is, are they going to have a bye or are they not going to have a bye? Because they've done enough throughout their year. They're 11-1. So if they win their game against Alabama in the SEC Championship game, they'll be a top four seed and have a bye. If not, they'll probably drop to the five seed and have one of the easier teams in the playoff to face in their first round. So, you know, it is what it is. Georgia did what they had to do. They won that game. Now getting to the big one. Ohio number one Ohio State and Ryan Day finally exercised some demons in the 27-9 spanking of number 15, the team up north. The OSU defense did let the team up north get a couple big run plays in the first quarter, but after that dominated Bryce Underwood and that um team up north offense. And Julian Sand did throw a pick early on in that game, literally the first drive. I think it was the second play of the game. He threw a pick. It was a bad one, but Ohio State's defense was able to limit it to just being for a field goal instead of letting it be a touchdown. So they were only down six to nothing rather than being ten to nothing very early on in that game. That could have changed the uh calculus of what that game was early on. But outside of that, he was nearly perfect. He threw a touchdown pass to Jeremiah Smith on a crazy double move, absolutely amazing play. Did have a little bit of controversy because they were saying that he fumbled and touched out of bounds in the end zone. But I'm just like it was a weird one, and I really don't care because we won by multiple touchdowns. So that's not going to be the play that's going to change the game altogether because I just think that Ohio State is going to win that game no matter what. And then he also threw a deep shot to Carnell Tate on a 50-yard touchdown throw. And then he also had a red zone touchdown to Brennan S. So literally all three big wide receivers for our team all had a touchdown in this game. Bo Jackson was a superstar of the game. He had 117 rushing yards, and he also had another 50 yards receiving in this game as well. Bo Jackson was an absolutely amazing player in this game. He dominated totally, especially on the uh, I think it was like a 20-play, 11-minute drive that Ohio State was able to have between the third and fourth quarters to really ice the game because at that point Ohio State was up 27-9, and they literally just said, hey, it's snowing out here. There's a bunch of snow happening. We don't need to push it anymore because our defense is dominating so much. So we're just going to sit here and run out the clock in the middle of the third quarter. And that's what they did for the rest of the game. They didn't even try to push the ball at all. They ran the football like crazy. They were having to do the somehow the rate, the uh communication with the box when it came to the uh to the headsets wasn't working. Funny enough, in Michigan that something like that would happen. So they had to have Julian Sand like go back and forth and run to the sideline to get every single call. And apparently Ryan Day was like, hey, we planned for that because we knew something like that could happen in this game. And they did it. They dominated every single facet of the game. Bryce Underwood looked nothing like, again, he hasn't really looked great all this year, but I think I can say without a doubt he is a very talented quarterback, but I don't think he's really good at playing the position yet. And that's the thing. When he would decide to go to Michigan and get that twelve uh two million dollars a year that he was going to get from them, I think everybody and their mama knew that he was not gonna get developed to be a great quarterback there. Think about the last guy that was coming out of Michigan to go be a quarterback in the NFL. Look at how JJ McCarthy's ass.

SPEAKER_03: 32:07

I just I think you're right. I think that they don't know how to develop talent properly.

SPEAKER_00: 32:10

Not at the quarterback position. Running backs, what what running backs good? Linemen, uh defensive players.

SPEAKER_03: 32:18

No, no. They're running back, their star running back that had left. It got drafted by the Chargers. Mid.

SPEAKER_00: 32:26

No, no, not Chargers, Rams.

SPEAKER_03: 32:28

No, he got drafted by the Chargers.

SPEAKER_00: 32:33

Which one are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03: 32:34

Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 32:36

Because their main running back from a couple years ago, he did get drafted by the Rams, and he's playing being their secondary, he's very he's their backup back and he's Blake Corm. He's playing good there. So I'll give them that. But like they can develop linemen, they can develop defensive players, but quarterback is not a position that they can really develop.

SPEAKER_03: 32:51

I wouldn't say defensive players, I say defensive linemen.

SPEAKER_00: 32:53

Okay, I can get behind that. Yeah, I can yeah, I can agree with that. But it's just that's what he decided to do when he took the money to go to Michigan. So like he did not really make any sort of adjustment. And here's the thing in this game, you could tell they did not trust him to really read the field whatsoever. And even when he did have an opportunity to read the field, you could tell he was making a decision to get the ball out of his hand so he didn't take any hits. I think I heard somebody say that like he brings a wide receiver mentality to the quarterback position, which is not something you really want a quarterback. But it's just in this game in Ohio City what they're supposed to do. They dominated, they threw the ball to their to their wide receivers, which is what we didn't do last year. They made the big play heck on the Jeremiah touchdown was on a fourth, fourth down, fourth and like short, and Ryan Day made the call to like be aggressive and do it, and Jeremiah killed him with the double move, which is an insane, insane route that he had against that uh that corner from Michigan. But it's just like I said, like I said when we were talking about this game before, that wasn't gonna get emotional. I'm not gonna be emotional now. It's almost like after this game happened, it was almost like um the world is back where it needs to be again because Ohio State did what they were supposed to do. They've been the more talented team than Michigan probably these last couple years and had not gotten the win. And they got the job done finally. And I think Ryan Day got the monkey off his back, and that's why I felt the most happy for that he got the job done. Because Ryan Day is the one that didn't deserve the hate that he got. I'm talking about like people can be disappointed with how what what the outcomes were the last couple years, but going after his family, doing any of that shit, like that's the part that I totally don't like, and I think makes Ohio State fans look more insane than what we truly are. And he did what he was supposed to do, and the team did what they're supposed to do. Julian Sam was awesome. He's probably gonna be in a spot, like if he does what he's what he's supposed to do in the Big Ten Championship game, he's probably winning a Heisman. And Jeremiah Smith's awesome. Carnell Tate came back. Both Jeremiah and Carnell came off of injury and played great.

SPEAKER_03: 34:50

It was a good game. Defense was dominant. But it was a good game.

SPEAKER_00: 34:54

We were really close on that bet. Come on, you have to give us that. No. Yeah, I okay, fine. I can I can agree to that. I can agree that it wasn't, it didn't the whip, the bet didn't win. But Ohio City is what we're supposed to do. And I think you should be happy for me that my butt guys finally got a win against team up north. No? Man, he can't never be just happy for me, huh? That that sucks. But yeah, oh, not to mention after the game, where all the one of the biggest, um, coolest parts about this whole thing was Brutus in the middle of the game, Xing out the M in the end zone, and then doing script Ohio in the snow as a snowfall was coming. Absolutely amazing. That was much better than the the a flag planting would ever be. That was funny. Very funny. Brutus was awesome. I think it's like the number one uh mascot thing that anybody could ever do. And then after the game, where all those Michigan players were so worried about their their uh uh field getting flag planted that all their 115 players were all standing on the end to try to like fight for themselves. When after last year, when they did it to Ohio State, they made fun of us, made fun of Jack Sawyer for going and fighting because we don't want you to put a flag on our field. They were sitting there building up all this this whole scheme to try to stop Ohio State from doing it. But guess what Ryan Day did? He got to little Little Bro, Michigan, and Sharon Moore by saying, hey, we're not gonna do the flag planting, we're gonna be the bigger, we're gonna be the actual men and do this the right way, win with some class, and just get your players off the field. He got to tell Sharone Moore to get his own players off the field because they're gonna cause a problem. And I that was the most cool thing of all time.

SPEAKER_03: 36:33

When they were um walking, I don't know what player it was, number four.

SPEAKER_00: 36:38

Um Jeremiah, or that was on the Michigan. No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 36:45

Number four is uh he was walking through the tunnel, purpose he bumped into a coach on purpose.

SPEAKER_00: 36:49

Oh, yeah, I did I did yeah, I saw that clip. They were doing that all game, they were doing stupid shit and they were trying to start. Oh the only way Ohio State was gonna not win this game is if they hurt themselves into not winning the game, just like last year. And I think Michigan, their players and their fans knew that. I think they everybody knew that Ohio State was a better team, and as long as they came in with the right mindset, Ryan Day came with the right mindset, they were gonna blow them out, which is what happened. We dominated them, and it was the game wasn't close. Did you see where the um the one Michigan player headbutted the official? Mm-hmm. The dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_03: 37:22

Real quick, there was a video of all the officials like, all right, so we're gonna call it touch by that touchdown back, Jeremia Smith. Dude comes up fucking shit is like, fuck no, we're not calling that shit back. Touchdown. And I was like, this motherfucker just headbutting me, touchdown.

SPEAKER_00: 37:39

Here's the thing. It just it's only payback for a couple years ago where it was like the Michigan player getting the catch and then getting the ball ripped out by um Igminosa in the end zone. That shit was ripped out, and that shit was ripped out, and they called it a touchdown anyway. So it's only a get back for what happened a couple years ago. So just like it didn't matter. It was a multiple touchdown win, so it's not like that was the call that was gonna save Ohio State. So the way I look at it, all was right in the world. It was always gonna come back to Ohio State winning this game at some point. And I'm glad Ryan Day and that team managed to get the job done and they did it with some class. I don't know. Um, I'm glad they did got the job done, did it with some class, and I'm glad Ryan Day got the seven things of chapstick. Because every time I go to work, if I don't have chapstick in my pocket, that's all I can think about. That's all I can think about. And guess what? You can't do buy a one pack of chapstick. They're always in three packs. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Probably a problem. Yeah. That one's closed. There we go. Okay, that's a lot of chaps. I come up a lot. I'm a black man in the middle of winter, Jace. What do you want me to do?

SPEAKER_01: 39:00

My nigga, goddamn!

SPEAKER_00: 39:02

Not open. Let's go, that's two. Those two red ones were old. I probably need to get rid of those.

SPEAKER_01: 39:12

Just at a glance, I saw seven of them bitches.

SPEAKER_00: 39:15

But two of them were closed. So that is some credit to me. And you're not gonna steal my chapstick, Negro. Fine, I have seven.

SPEAKER_01: 39:24

You have seven ambitions! My nigga!

SPEAKER_00: 39:29

Yeah, I had to use that one.

SPEAKER_01: 39:31

Bro, you have containers!

SPEAKER_00: 39:35

That was when I was having like big, big issues.

SPEAKER_01: 39:41

My nigga needs this with chapstick!

SPEAKER_00: 39:44

Yeah, it's because I have to keep buying it. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 39:47

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00: 39:48

No, but chapstick. That's a crazy way to do it.

SPEAKER_03: 39:50

No one could use it. Dude, this is more chapstick than a person could use in a lifetime.

SPEAKER_00: 39:54

Not in a lifetime. That's probably a little too far. Alright, you at least you get a chapstick out of it.

SPEAKER_01: 40:01

I get, nigga, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00: 40:04

I need that one in my pocket in just in case.

SPEAKER_03: 40:06

Oh, it don't matter if you lose it, you have more.

SPEAKER_00: 40:09

Yeah.

unknown: 40:11

God.

SPEAKER_00: 40:11

I was sitting here having a happy time talking about Ohio State. You wanted to get on to me about the chapstick.

SPEAKER_01: 40:15

How am I supposed to focus?

SPEAKER_00: 40:18

I'll take him off the table. Alright. Did I go too far about anything I talk about Ohio State? My good. Do I get to feel happiness again? Is everything back to the way it is? Because I think you were making jokes that if Ohio State didn't win this game, you'd have to get on my ass for it. Yeah, and I'm glad Ohio State got the job done. They did it in a dominant fashion, which is what I'm very happy that Ohio State got the job done. And Ryan Day did. Because guess what? Now they can start on this run of going to, you know, like, hey, with the next win a national championship. And Ohio State is probably the best team in the in the country, and it's probably a big margin. And I think for the rest of the maybe there's a couple teams that might give us a chance, but like come on. If you fuck around and lose Indiana, I would fucking cry. But here's the thing, even if we lose to Indiana, it doesn't knock us out of the playoff. We're in.

SPEAKER_03: 41:08

No, but like you shouldn't lose to them.

SPEAKER_00: 41:10

We shouldn't. But you know, again, that game doesn't matter. If if Cardell Tate and Jeremiah were like, hey, we're not healthy, we should probably not play, just don't play them. Let the game be damned. The game doesn't matter. The game, they really shouldn't have conference championship games anymore. Because now that's like, hey, if Ohio State and Indiana played each other, now you're gonna dox them for earning themselves to play in a game like that, and then what are they gonna do? Drop them in the rankings. It shouldn't happen. I agree. That don't make sense. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

SPEAKER_03: 41:40

No, you know, that's that's fair. I think these games should be more of a tournament placing.

SPEAKER_00: 41:45

It should be like three and four. Like you should have like the third and fourth best teams in the Big Ten and the SEC playing each other to have them be that third team to be in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03: 41:54

This game should only matter to how you're gonna set up the tournament. Yeah. I think this game should be like, all right, we're gonna determine who who because you you get a buy by first round.

SPEAKER_00: 42:05

Yeah, if you're if you're the top four teams, you get a buy.

SPEAKER_03: 42:07

So I guess you should determine like if Indiana loses, right? They don't get a buy.

SPEAKER_00: 42:12

That's probably what's gonna happen. But here's the thing they earn themselves into that game, so you're gonna drop them for a Georgia that like which is what I'm saying. I think they shouldn't lose the opportunity because they earn themselves into the game.

SPEAKER_03: 42:23

But I think it should be more of the Big Ten by the SEC team, one SEC team to buy, one person from each one of their.

SPEAKER_00: 42:31

But you know what, but you know what the problem is is that the ACC is OS. You know, there's a five loss team in the ACC championship game? Duke.

unknown: 42:39

Damn.

SPEAKER_00: 42:40

Because that's how ass the ACC is. If Virginia doesn't win that game, the ACC might get locked out of the playoff altogether. Because the rule is it doesn't guarantee if you win the if you win your conference, it doesn't guarantee you a spot. It's the top five um conference champions that are ranked. So if like they still don't have you ranked afterwards, you're you don't get in.

SPEAKER_03: 43:02

And then the top group of five team.

SPEAKER_00: 43:04

Right. Exactly. It's it's either the top, it's the group of five and then the power four.

SPEAKER_03: 43:09

The top the the top power four teams all get in and then the top group of five team. Yeah. Which is fucking impossible to do.

SPEAKER_00: 43:18

So I'm gonna sit here like it just sucks that that game is even happening because it really doesn't matter. So like at the end of the day, yes, do I want to be Indiana for sure? I want to beat their ass because I don't want anybody to truly think that Indiana's good enough to beat Ohio State, they're not. Unless, I guess, unless the game happens and they beat them, which is something I'll have to eat if that happens, but that game shouldn't knock either Ohio State or Indiana from having a bye because they've earned it throughout this year.

SPEAKER_03: 43:40

Who's the quarterback for Indiana?

SPEAKER_00: 43:42

Um Mendoza.

SPEAKER_03: 43:44

Oh, who is Dylan Mariola?

SPEAKER_00: 43:47

He's the quarterback for Nebraska.

SPEAKER_03: 43:49

Is he like middle?

SPEAKER_00: 43:50

Yes, very mid. Wasn't he the number one quarterback in his class? Yes, he was.

SPEAKER_03: 43:55

Wasn't he supposed to go to OZU?

SPEAKER_00: 43:56

Yep. And then he decommitted and then committed to Georgia, and then decommitted again to go to Nebraska. Because Ohio State and Georgia are not going to give you the money that Nebraska would give you because they're more desperate. And they had a a family member of his on the staff. So yeah, it is what it is. Heck, you know what's funny? Would you be would it be would be crazy because tomorrow's commit um National Signing Day for college football? Would it be crazy if I told you that number one, the number one quarterback in the class, well, he's a top five quarterback in the class, I think, after they redid it, decommits potentially, because it hasn't been guaranteed yet. He's gonna decommit from Georgia and sign with Vanderbilt.

SPEAKER_03: 44:45

What kind of calling Vanderbilt is this bullshit?

SPEAKER_00: 44:49

Fucking Vanderbilt. Because apparently they're willing to give him just as much money, if not more. And guaranteed starter. Because Diego Pavia is leaving after this year. He doesn't have any eligibility left. So he's guaranteed the number number one guy.

SPEAKER_03: 45:01

That's a you know what? That's not bad.

SPEAKER_00: 45:05

Yeah, but like you're going to Vanderbilt. Like, there's like you there's no guarantee that they can. But again, here's the thing if he goes to Vanderbilt for a year, starts, and then doesn't work out, he could just go fucking transfer somewhere else.

SPEAKER_06: 45:18

That's true.

SPEAKER_00: 45:18

That's the part that sucks. Like it it keeps these players from having to make a real decision. And again, I get they should have more opportunity to leave if they need to, but also it shouldn't be you should have to stay somewhere for two years.

SPEAKER_06: 45:30

I agree.

SPEAKER_00: 45:32

To at least make you at least make you like, hey, at least be cool with your decision, not rather than just taking the money and just saying, I'll just leave there, I'll leave for later, I'll leave later. No. You don't think so?

SPEAKER_03: 45:45

Yeah, I wouldn't have blamed Nick Marsh if he left after his first year. Where he put up 1200 yards.

SPEAKER_00: 45:51

Okay, I get that.

SPEAKER_03: 45:53

Because now he had a shit year and is probably not gonna get as big of an offer from other schools when he is easily probably one of the better better receivers in college football. Yeah. It just ain't been shown because shitty quarterback play.

SPEAKER_00: 46:07

I get it. Yeah, okay. I get that part, but I feel like there's a lot of players that just take advantage of the situation, they're just trying to get as much money as possible. And they're like, uh, if it don't work out, I just I can just go somewhere else later. I'm just like, eh, it should be a little bit harder than that. Just a little bit.

SPEAKER_03: 46:20

Yeah, I think maybe two two years isn't bad.

SPEAKER_00: 46:23

Or at least have a decent reason as to as to why you're leaving. You can't just say, oh, the next team's paying me more money.

SPEAKER_04: 46:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 46:28

That has to be something a little bit more, something a little bit more concrete.

unknown: 46:31

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_00: 46:33

Um, next game, Oregon takes care of business against Washington in a tough road environment. Big plays from Dante Moore in a passing game proves too much for Washington. Washington couldn't get the job done, couldn't score enough in the red zone. And I just think Oregon is a, even though they're without some of their bigger pass catchers on their offense, they just have so many dudes on that team that they could just get the job done. Washington has not really been a great team all year. They've been better offensive team, but defensively they haven't been all that great. Oregon did what they had to do, winning that game in a tough environment. Washington's one of the tougher plays to places to play. Uh, number eight, Oklahoma, despite another gross performance on offense, gets away from the bad LSU Tigers with a win 17-13. Their offense has been ass for a month and a half. And that's gonna be the like their defense is championship worthy, but their offense is absolutely terrible. And I don't know what they're gonna do in the playoff when they're facing teams that actually have real offenses and that have real defenses. Like Oklahoma might be what is the um what's the saying for a terrible? Like, they look good, but they're actually terrible. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. They're frauds, frauds, frauds. They're total frauds. Their defense is awesome, but their offense can't say that. They just beat the lions.

SPEAKER_01: 47:48

The Lions are frauds.

SPEAKER_00: 47:50

Lions actually might be frauds. But I don't think because of people, I think it's because they're coaching now. I think it's probably more the reason. Um, next one we have is number 10 Alabama.

SPEAKER_03: 47:59

Going up against the other number four Auburn. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 48:05

They beat Auburn in the Iron Bowl in the same way that Oklahoma beat at Bama a few weeks ago. Auburn double doubled Bama in passing yards, but had a costly fumble at the end of the game while trying to drive to tie the game at the end. Um Bama ended up winning that game 27-20. Bama offensively, very good, but they can't really run the football that effectively. I did see one thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 48:28

Saying that Lane Kiffin. Was waiting to see if Bama beat Auburn in the Iron Bowl.

SPEAKER_00: 48:34

No, he was waiting to see if Auburn beat Bama because guess what?

SPEAKER_03: 48:37

Yeah, my bad. If Auburn beat Bama and then would open up.

SPEAKER_00: 48:40

No, it was that Ole Miss would be in the SEC title game. And again, he was trying to have his cake and eat it too, because he's like, oh, I want to go coach in the SEC title game.

SPEAKER_03: 48:48

I saw one theory that he was saying hoping Auburn would beat Alabama and that they would fire a coach. You can go coach Alabama.

SPEAKER_00: 48:54

They won't fire him. I'm not it's I think they're trying to be smart about it, even though the fans will be calling for his job.

SPEAKER_03: 49:00

You want him out.

SPEAKER_00: 49:02

The fans for Alabama are crazy. They probably need to get a little bit of a reality check as to what reality is without Nick Saban. So, you know, it is what it is. That's they need. I'm saying that school's gonna have to try to give their fans that because the fans are not gonna have that, you know, internally.

SPEAKER_02: 49:20

What did Ryan Day do before he was a coach for OSU?

SPEAKER_00: 49:24

Um he was off scoring at a bunch of places. He had never been a head coach before before he started coaching at Ohio State. Was he at Ohio State?

SPEAKER_03: 49:31

Uh-huh. Well, how long was he at Ohio State?

SPEAKER_00: 49:33

He was he was the OC at Ohio State for like He was the OC at Ohio State like the last year of JT. So that would have been like 2015. So he's been at Ohio State for years. 2016. No. Another year with JT Barrett, and then it was the year after that with Dwayne that they truly did have with him. So that was 2017. Yeah, I was in Ohio State for like three years before he became the coach. I think he's been a coach at Ohio State for seven years. Why? Nothing, bro. I feel like you were setting me up for a trap there for you to say some dumb shit.

SPEAKER_03: 50:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 50:18

We're literally Miami beats number 12, Miami beats number 22 Pittsburgh in a dominant fashion, hoping that enough chaos happens in front of them or the committee moves them into the playoff. Again, they're at 12, so they're right there, right there on the edge. But here's the problem as soon as the big group of five champion comes available, they'll have to jump into the top 12, which means Miami will get bumped down. Which means there's kind of sitting right there on the edge, and it might come down to either them or Notre Dame getting into the playoff. And the problem is that they beat Notre Dame earlier on this year, and they've been waiting for that head-to-head matchup to actually count because the way the committee does it, they're like, oh, they need to be in the same pot because they only do rankings like three teams at a time.

SPEAKER_03: 50:58

And that's they uh it was on Common Man and Tyvus or Common Man and the other nigga.

SPEAKER_00: 51:06

Yeah, Timmy.

SPEAKER_03: 51:07

Uh they were like, when does it become a problem? Because he was like, Miami and Notre Dame keep getting closer and closer in rankings. He was like, So when is that a problem that they're now too close in rankings?

SPEAKER_00: 51:19

And now they're both tenant, they're both ten and two teams and they have played each other on the same field.

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And one of them lost.

SPEAKER_00: 51:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 51:25

So Notre Dame's probably gonna get bounced.

SPEAKER_00: 51:27

Probably. Even though Notre Dame's probably playing better as a football team right now.

SPEAKER_03: 51:31

And is this gonna be Notre Dame's call to be like, hey, you gotta join the conference? Gotta go to the conference.

SPEAKER_00: 51:35

Potentially, yeah, for sure. But also this, like, it's just one of those weird things. Miami just lost two games they shouldn't have lost. So they shouldn't even be in this opportunity because they lost two games in their own conference, so they shouldn't have lost in the first place. So it's just like, same thing with Texas. Don't lose the fucking Florida, and you wouldn't be begging for a playoff spot. Same thing with Miami. Don't lose those two terrible games you lost, and you wouldn't have to worry about Notre Dame. But now you have to because you didn't handle your own business. It is what it is. Couple more things, then we'll get to then we'll get to the NFL. Number 14, Vanderbilt nukes Tennessee in their own house behind him. Awesome game from Diego Pavia. That guarantees him a spot in the New York for the Heisman ceremony. I don't think wins him this Heisman, though. In this game, he had 265 yards passing with one touchdown and two turnovers, and then he had 165 yards rushing in a touchdown.

SPEAKER_03: 52:28

You were saying his passing thing, and I was like, that's fucking ass.

SPEAKER_00: 52:31

165 yards rushing.

SPEAKER_03: 52:32

Yeah, there it is. There it is. Yeah, it probably doesn't earn him a spot.

SPEAKER_00: 52:35

Probably earns a spot there, but I do think it probably comes down to who wins the Big Ten championship game. Because the funny, funniest thing about it is that the Big Ten championship game happens at 8 p.m. on Saturday, and then voting is done on Sunday.

unknown: 52:47

You're waiting for that game.

SPEAKER_00: 52:49

So they're waiting for that game to end, and whoever wins it, as long as the quarterbacks play well, whichever one wins.

SPEAKER_03: 52:55

They don't ship breaks fucking last minute.

SPEAKER_00: 52:58

I don't here's the thing. I don't think Saiyan's gonna do that. If we lose the game, it's because Indiana played better than us and they just got the job done. I agree. But there's no way Julian Sand goes in there and like throws a bunch of picks and does all that.

SPEAKER_03: 53:08

He played fine.

SPEAKER_00: 53:08

He's unflappable every single time.

SPEAKER_03: 53:11

One bad mistake. One mistake.

SPEAKER_00: 53:12

And that's one thing he's proven. He makes one mistake, he's not gonna make that same mistake again.

SPEAKER_03: 53:15

You know who also.

SPEAKER_00: 53:18

True. Well, yeah, I believe that.

SPEAKER_03: 53:20

I'm not gonna make the same mistake twice.

SPEAKER_00: 53:21

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 53:22

Real quick, is he your future Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback?

SPEAKER_00: 53:26

I don't know. Because I felt like if he was, they would have given him the opportunity to play by now. But maybe they're still have this crazy idea that they can still win football games. No, they fucking can't. Oh, you guys got it, Adam Thielen. I don't give two fucks about that. Uh if any, I don't The 34-year-old receiver. 35 years. It's his last year in the NFL. No, thank you. I don't even want that either. 35-year-old receiver. I'm I'm done. I'm I'm done with the whole done with the whole thing. Even though at least they got rid of Darius Lay. That was a terrible signing that they made.

SPEAKER_03: 53:56

Who likes burnt host?

SPEAKER_00: 53:58

All day long. He can't even play a full game without getting hurt. Whoever he goes to play with, good luck to you, friend. Good luck to you. He's not. He's gonna get signed by somebody. He'll probably go by the Eagles again. He'll be one of their 20 cornerbacks. Even though that's not their problem, it's their offense.

SPEAKER_03: 54:16

Um, but yeah, that's still elite.

SPEAKER_00: 54:18

Yeah, but even the defense is like if their defensive line isn't getting after them, then your their secondary is still like, ugh. It's not dominant. It's not dominant like it needs to be if the if the defensive line's not doing their thing. But yeah, that's it for the college football stuff. They're gonna do the rankings tonight. Honestly, the only questions I have is where is Alabama gonna be? Because as of the last ranking, they're at number 10. And if they're in this playoff, if they're higher in the rankings, long as long as they play in the SEC Championship game, they're not gonna get dropped out for losing the SEC championship game because there's no way they want to tell the SEC, like, hey, if you have a team that's on the outskirts and they get into the SEC championship game and lose, that they're gonna get dropped out because guess what the SEC is gonna do? They're gonna take their ball and go home. They're like, oh, we don't we want to be a part of the SE uh part of the playoff anyway. We can do it by ourselves. So where is Bama gonna be? Where's Miami gonna be in comparison to Notre Dame? And is that gonna start to become an issue? Because both Miami and Notre Dame don't play this weekend because Miami can't even make their conference championship game, and Notre Dame doesn't have a conference to play in a champion championship game for. So that's gonna be a question. And then where does uh Tech CM fall to? Are they gonna be outside the top four? Who knows how that's gonna go? And what is the other question I had? Where does Vanderbilt go? Because they were at 14 before in the playoffs easily. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03: 55:45

I think so.

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Like the all the teams they played throughout the year, they had like the best teams they have faced as a team like Tennessee. Because all the best teams they played were they lost, like Texas and Bama. And I think they played Georgia and lost. Um, no, they're two loss.

SPEAKER_02: 56:04

And they won off twice to who?

SPEAKER_00: 56:07

Bama and Texas. Well, you want me to tell you what their wins were and like so you can have an idea?

SPEAKER_03: 56:17

Yeah, because those are kind of not great losses. But the Alabama one's not awful, but the Texas one is pretty bad.

SPEAKER_00: 56:24

Vanderbilt's 10-2. Their wins are against Charleston Southern, Virginia Tech, South Carolina. Virginia Tech's plan for spot two. No, they're not. Not Vaug. You said Virginia. I said Virginia, not Virginia Tech. Two different schools. Um South Carolina, who was like a three-win, four-win team, Georgia State, Utah State, and then Alabama was a loss. They beat LSU, who was awful, Missouri, who is not really good either, lost to Texas, and then they have wins against Auburn, Kentucky, and Tennessee. Their best win is against Tennessee.

unknown: 57:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 57:06

Who was a three-loss team. Yeah. So they really don't have a great resume for getting into the playoffs.

unknown: 57:12

No.

SPEAKER_00: 57:13

And again, we say this because, and then we still have the group of five team that's going to jump into the playoffs as soon as it happens. As soon as they have a group of five champions. So I don't know. They're not going to get in.

SPEAKER_03: 57:25

Determined.

SPEAKER_00: 57:26

It's the highest rank, highest, because all the group of five conferences are going to have their own championship game. It's whatever group of five champion is the highest ranked that'll jump into the top 12. Because they get a spot.

SPEAKER_03: 57:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 57:46

Do you I don't even think the group of five deserves to have a spot, to be totally honest with you? They will jump into the top 12.

SPEAKER_03: 57:54

Jump into the top 12.

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Because they're guaranteed a spot.

SPEAKER_00: 57:59

As long as they're one of the top four rated, sorry, five-rated uh champions. Yes. I don't know. It's very annoying. I think the the group of five should just have their own their own playoff. I think it'd be a lot more fun that way. But instead of just them being being like, um, what is the saying? Um, lambs to the slaughter to whoever team they have to face in the first round. I don't know, but apparently they want to keep they want to keep up the charade that they really have a chance to. Last year it was Boise. And they got destroyed by Penn State.

SPEAKER_03: 58:38

And Arizona State?

SPEAKER_00: 58:39

No, Arizona State's part of the big Big 12.

SPEAKER_03: 58:42

You could fooled me.

SPEAKER_01: 58:46

Could have fooled you.

SPEAKER_00: 58:47

Oh, that's funny. That's funny. Oh, that's really funny. Yeah. And then this year it'd be probably Tulane.

unknown: 58:55

No head coach.

SPEAKER_00: 58:57

With a with a head coach that's left. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 58:59

They're probably gonna get fucking dog stopped.

SPEAKER_00: 59:02

Yeah, they were gonna get dog stopped no matter what. Like it doesn't matter. They know, but it's a lot different when you have a head coach. Because here's the thing. When they when they get put in, they're not gonna be put in at 11. They're gonna be put in at 12. And guess who they would have to face? The number five seed. So Georgia, Bama, like they're gonna go get fucked in the ass in the in the first playoff game. That's the problem, which is why I'm like, which is why I'm thinking, like, why don't they just have their own playoff and not have to do all this? That would be more fun. Yeah, they would just go play teams of their own caliber and they would have more fun that way rather than just give a team an easy route. Do you know this crazy thing now?

SPEAKER_03: 59:38

Like soccer.

SPEAKER_00: 59:40

Right relegation. If you're not good enough, you get dropped out, and then you can you can jump in. Yes. So we should do it like soccer. I'd be cool with it that way. I'll have to say it would never always be on top.

SPEAKER_03: 59:49

No matter the group of five team. The top five group of five teams.

SPEAKER_00: 59:54

Should jump in while the worst do a power five conference. And the worst power five schools would jump.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:00

Down to a group of five.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:01

Brokers get out. Well, Purdue beat out this year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:05

Well, that team also beat us this year. Let's implement this like after this year of our new coach. Technically, we're probably one of the worst teams to college.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:18

We gotta learn. We need a little time to get ready.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:21

But relegation, real quick, that's an effective fucking strategy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:24

It would be because if you want to keep getting the money that you're getting, because there's a lot of teams in the SEC in the Big Ten. Get better, spend more money to get better or get out. So it makes total sense. I'd be totally for it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:35

Fuck it, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:36

If we get relegated to a group of five conference.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:39

But here's my thing. You're always gonna spend enough money.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:40

It's not gonna be because you're not our coaching's just dick. But again, if we get relegated to a group of five conference, we would fucking dominate.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:47

Probably, yeah. And then you'd have to go right back up. We'd have to go back to the Big Ten. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:51

Dude, I'd be we'd spend like three years, like a year and a half, like a year in the group of five dominating. I'm like, it's the best fucking season ever. Fuck it. We got a bowl game. This is gonna be great. Just be like, all right, next year you got Ohio, you got Ohio State, uh, Oregon, and like 15 other schools that are way fucking better than you. Go have fun. Hey, just for us to get drop back down to a group of five.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:16

Hey, again, it's how do you want to do it?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:19

I think I think relegation, because it makes soccer teams better.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:23

Oh, it does, yeah. For sure. You gotta spend money. And if you have your window where you think you can really get up there and do your do your thing, you can start spending and doing it that way.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:30

Because they have like eight, eight, eight teams in each comp in each conference for soccer. But they have like a shit ton of teams.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:38

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:39

So they do eight, but again, no, they do sixteen.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:44

And then like the uh what is it, like the worst two get relegated?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:47

The worst two get relegated, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:50

And then the top two of the lower tier come up. I'd be down for that, but guess what? They're not gonna do it because all these lower teams are like, no, I don't want to have a chance to not get that money that money that I'm getting guaranteed every year from these television contracts. It's not gonna happen. But you know, it is what it is. And you know what's funny? And on top of that, playoff money too. Because guess what? Could you tell me who would be relegated from the Big Ten? The worst teams of the Big Ten?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:10

The worst two teams.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:12

Um, yeah, I got you. Give me a second here. Standings, FBS, uh Big Ten, it would be Maryland and Purdue.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:26

Is it Maryland, Purdue, Michigan State? As you can say, it's the F State.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:29

Okay, okay, we're safe this year. We're safe. It's all good.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:36

Dude, I was sitting here saying this and I was like, we're not that high up. I was like, we may be four.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:41

Wasn't your one win against Maryland?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:44

Fuck you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:45

That's why you're higher than them because your one win was against Maryland. That was your one Big Ten win this year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:50

It was, yeah. Wild. How many how many does Maryland have?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:54

Maryland has one win against in the Big Ten.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:55

I guess who? Let me guess.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:57

Purdue.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:58

Get the fuck out of here. Wisconsin. Wisconsin. What the fuck? Wisconsin. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:03

So they should technically be higher than us, but they have uh more loss than we do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:07

No, you guys are both one and eight in the conference. And you guys both have a four and eight record. Fuck them. It's just that you guys beat them, which is what the difference is. Hey, funny how funny how it works out. Alright, that's it for college football. That's all we got. Let's go to the NFL. Start talking about that. Because we have a lot of games to talk about because, you know, we haven't talked since before the Thanksgiving games happened. So let's go ahead and get to it here. Story-wise, I'm not seeing anything. We talked about Steelers picking up Thielen, cutting uh Darius Slay. Let's see. Did he get fired? No, he's he's still there. Okay, don't care about that. Colts make change of kicker, but pass on Tucker. You know, Justin Tucker is trying to get back into the NFL, not because he's he served his 10-game suspension. So now he's trying to get back in doing all these tryouts for these teams. I don't think he's playing in another down the NFL.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:06

His accuracy got so bad.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:08

And then you go around doing the same Deshaun Watson shit. Like, and guess what? The problem is is that you showed you were ass before you got kicked out of the NFL. So like nobody's gonna take a chance to try to bring you back because they all saw you playing like ass.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:21

You're a kicker, dude. You can't like Deshaun Watson was at least on the fucking MVP candidate when he last played football. You were a kicker who was hitting at like 85%.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:30

There was a chance of some hope be like, oh, he could potentially be our guy for the future. Nobody's gonna say that Justin Tucker, and not to mention he's older too. So like all of that is gonna kind of come all together to where he's not gonna probably not gonna have another chance unless the team gets super desperate, which I don't think there's a team that's gonna get that bad, but who knows? Um anything else? The Giants bench uh Abdul Carter in the first drive. Do you know what the going around rumor was gonna that he got caught watching porn in the middle of a meeting? And there were no headphones, so it just played out loud in the middle of everything. But nobody will say everybody they but they keep denying that's the case, but nobody will actually say why he why he got um he got pulled for that first drive. So I'm just sitting there like, if you're gonna keep if you're gonna let people speculate, they're gonna speculate. I don't know. It's a weird thing, but I'm just like wrong place, wrong time, maybe wild, wild. Um, and that's not really all I got for the story-wise. So let's go ahead and get to the games, recap those, and then make our pick for the Thursday night football game this week, and then we'll go from there. Thursday, um, this past Thursday. Green Bay at Detroit. Green Bay won the game 31-24. Detroit just don't look the same, man. Their defense wasn't able to really get the job done. They have a bunch of injuries everywhere, every defense. They did not have a Mamarse Brown. He got hurt very early on in that game, which definitely took away from their offense.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:04

Fucked my bet, dude. I was so close.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:05

Jameis Jamison Williams played great, though. He had 144 receiving yards. But the problem is when you only have one weapon like that, and then you really have nobody else pass catcher-wise, it really does limit your options. And I just feel like they just couldn't get enough in the second half to really come back and really get into winning that game. Jameer Gribbs played fine. He had like 68 yards rushing. I think he had like another, what did he have? Another um 18 yards receiving, so he really wasn't as explosive as he as he usually is. But again, that's a very high bar that he set, so I'm not gonna go too hard on him on that. But Jordan Love, 18 of 30, 234, four touchdowns, zero picks. Josh Jacobs at 83 yards rushing, Don Tavius Wicks, Dontavian Wicks had two touchdowns, Christian Watson had a touchdown, and then Romeo Dobbs had a touchdown, so all of the bigger wide receivers they have on their roster all got involved in getting touchdown catches. And Green Bay at sitting at 8-3 and Detroit, you know what's funny? They're now not even in first place in their own division. You know who's first. It's the fucking Bears.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:14

Yeah, I saw that and they were creeping up on them.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:16

The Bears are the number one in all of the NFC. If the playoffs are today, the Bears would have the number one spot in the NFC. How the fuck did that happen? They only have two losses on the year. How the fuck did that happen? I think Ben Johnson has really turned them around, man. And uh, even though that Caleb is not necessarily playing awesome every week, they're just do they have a run game. And then when they do ask Caleb to go out and make plays, it's not as much. And then he's just he's just able to do just enough for them to win. Their defense isn't necessarily all that amazing. But it's just they're able to control the game so much with their run game, it's just like they've been so much better. And I think Ben Johnson with his you know creativity offensively, I think that's just really brought them up to a different level. But you know, it also helps that that Detroit is playing like ass, and they don't have a real offensive coordinator that they believe in. Um I'm referring to the coaches, Dan Campbell. The fact that he felt like he was going to be able to call plays better than their actual offense coordinator probably wasn't gonna work out all that well. But it was a good game. Um, but it was I just wish that they would have had Amara St. Brown play the whole game to see what that game could have been because you could just tell that was a big piece missing from their offense. They probably needed to win that game. Next game, uh middle of Thanksgiving Day, it was Kansas City going to Dallas. Dallas won the game 31-28. And you know what the difference was in this game? It was not Kansas City playing bad on offense. I think um Patrick Mahomes played fine offensively. He got they won, they scored 28 points. Mahomes, 23 to 34, four touchdowns. Um, Kareem Hunt didn't, they can't really run the football that effects, but that's but kind of been one of their problems this year offensively. Rasheed Rice had a couple touchdowns, eight receptions, 92 yards. Heck, even Travis Travis Kelsey got involved and got, I think got a touchdown as well. The problem is that Chiefs defense cannot get stops at fucking all. And that's the biggest issue. Like um, they can't get after the passer, they can't stop anybody passing, like Dak Prescott, 27 of 39, two touchdowns and a pick, but that pick was very early on in the game. But Dak Prescott was sitting pretty back there and throwing to his wide receivers. Um, CD Lamb had a great game, seven catches, 112 yards, and a touchdown. George Pickens got involved that had a big game as well. This Chiefs team is now 6-6, and they probably will have to win out in order to make the playoffs at all. And I just think their defense is just so down right now. They just can't get any stops, and it's not gonna help out their offense at all. And it's different when they were in the first couple years of Patrick Mahomes' career where their defense wasn't as good, but they had a Tyreek Hill, they had a big play threat at all times to where even if their offense isn't being as efficient, they can get quick scores and it really helped out their offense that way. But the way they are built right now, they don't have a big dynamic offense. It's more of like getting down like kind of nickel and diamond down the field. So if Mahomes isn't playing absolutely perfect, and then the defense isn't able to get stopped. Do you know what it is? Mahomes is in the Joe Burrow spot last year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:30

If I'm playing amazing, but no one else is playing as good.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:33

I'm doing everything I can do. Our offense is doing everything they can do, but I can't rely on my defense to get one fucking stop against the goddamn Dallas Cowboys for us to win this football game. That's the difference. And I'm just like, you know what? I think there is if Joe Burrow's paying attention at all, because you know he's probably so focused on what he's doing, he probably doesn't focus on everybody else all that often. But I think he gets a little bit of a tickle, having it like hearing that Mahomes is dealing with the same issue that um that Burrow's been dealing with for like four years of his career, so like the last five, six years of his career. I don't know. It's just um it's very weird to see Kansas City being at six and six like that. It felt like it's been forever since Kansas City has been like just a middle-of-the-road team in the NFL ever since Mahomes got there. So it's it's nice to not have to worry about Kansas City being the best team in the NFL, just waiting for them to make the playoffs and just destroy everybody like they usually do. In Dallas, give them a lot of credit. They're playing really good football. Um, Dak Prescott's playing awesome right now. I have to give him a lot of credit for that because when he's playing like ass, I'm more than happy to be the first person to recognize when he's doing that. So I do have to give him credit when he is playing good football. Um, along with those wide receivers, I have uh George Pickens is not an absolute issue. He's actually been under control and playing very well for them. So I do have to give him that credit. I do question what will happen once they don't pay him or if things don't go and work it stop working out that way. I do question what will happen. But as of right now, George Pickens is a model citizen, making great plays, and their offense is playing absolutely amazing. So I do have to give them that credit. And then Quentin Williams, the guy they traded for from the Jets, he has been playing very good football, and they've been getting enough pressure on the quarterback to help out their defense a lot. And you could tell in that game, there was a lot of times that defense was just sending a bunch of pressure and hoping that Mahomes just can't get away from it, and that and it worked more often than not. Last game on Chris on Thanksgiving, Cincinnati going to Baltimore. Cincinnati wins the game 32 to 14.

unknown: 1:12:35

Mr.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:35

Joe Burrow's first game back in a couple months. He has a very good game. It wasn't flawless. It was fun. It was slow. It felt like he was like knocking the rust off in the first half. But he ended up going 24-46, 261 yards, two touchdowns. Did he have any picks? He didn't have any picks, did he? Played very efficiently, not efficiently, but in the second half, more efficient than it was in the first half.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:00

Four or five turnovers. The Ravens.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:03

Yeah, Lamar Jackson was not good. He had set he went 17-32, 246 in a pick. Derrick Henry, 10 carries, 60 yards and a touchdown. Isaiah Likely was their leading receiver with 95 yards off five catches. It's just the Ravens' defense isn't able to stop anybody. Like they that defense has been an issue for them all year. And then ever since Lamar Jackson got back from injury, he has not been nearly as close to his as what he has been in the past. And that offense isn't really great around him. So it's just like everything all in all, it's like the AFC North champion might actually be a not like they might have a losing record.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:43

It'll be like a Tampa Bay, like a nine and eight team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:47

Yeah, those bad NFC South seasons. Like where like the word the bad nine wins is good enough. Nine wins is good enough. And I'm just sitting here like I it sucks because nobody wants to take the reins, and it might just end up being Cincinnati trying to come back, and then whoever tries to hold on. I'm sitting there like, it's it sucks that all these teams are playing as bad as they are, and then you have Burrow trying to dig out the hole that was dug that was dug when he was away, and you guys were really weren't doing anything. But your assessment, how were your feelings having Joe Burrow back after a long hiatus of not having him? Felt like for the first time in a while you could actually be engaged in a football game again.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:24

It was fine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:25

You're still on the side of like not wanting to win and like not trying to go after this. I get it, but was there a small part of you that was excited to see him back on the field again? No, you're that entrenched, huh? You just don't want to you don't want to wait waste the season when you can go get a good draft pick. Jamar Chase did have a great game though. 10 uh seven catches, 110 yards. He they got he got involved, and he was a lot better than what he's been in year in these past few weeks, you know, without Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_06: 1:14:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:54

And you guys are gonna get T hands back. So I'm like, this is only gonna get better. And the rest of your schedule, man, is not necessarily all that crazy. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:04

You guys play Buffalo next week. So you're Dog walk. So that's the thing. If you say you want to get a good draft pick and you're gonna beat the Bills next week, how is that dog walk the Bills next week? He doesn't fucking care. He just hates Josh Allen. So let me get let me so you guys beat the Ravens. It was nice to see Joe Burrow out there. You're as of right now, your stance is still you want to lose more games so you can get a good draft pick. Okay. I'm just gonna keep asking you this every week until you change uh eventually change your mind because Joe Burrow will give you no choice. But you know, until then we'll we'll keep going. Um but yeah, Lamar Jackson and the Ravens are just not playing good football. They've kind of been bad for a while now. I can't say shit because my stealers have been bad as well. But it's just very bad football coming to the Ravens in a way that you didn't think that would be possible, especially with them having a younger, like Lamar Jackson's not old, like he's still a young quarterback. He did come off an injury, but like he looks healthy enough. It's just it the offense is not clicking the way that you think it should. So I don't know. Um hopefully they'll be playing some better football because I don't want the Steelers to think they have a chance to go actually win a playoff game. So I the better that both the Bengals and the Bravens can be to kind of throw Pittsburgh out of this situation, I'll be more than happy to take because I just want to see I'm in the same spot as you are. I just want to see my team keep losing games so we can go get Cardinal Tate or go get one of the Ohio State guys. Like, that's what I really want to do. But we'll see. Next game, Chicago goes to Philadelphia and beats them. Chicago wins the game 24 to 15. And I don't This Philly team, they're too good that they're gonna make the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:46

Yeah. But will it matter?

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:48

It won't fucking like the watching the Eagles play is painful. Like, because offense, they can't just cannot get shit done at all. Like when it comes to getting the plays done they need, like, they will get they'll have times where they play some decent ball. Like in the first half, they played awful. They only had one uh field goal, and then the second half they kind of turned it on, but it was just a little bit too much of a hole for them to get get out of for them to come back and win this game. But it's just, I just don't know, man. And it's like the e the defense didn't really show up. Caleb was well able to do with just enough to win this game, 17 of 36, one touchdown, one pick. Kyle Manungai, their running back, 22 carries, 130 yards, and a touchdown. I I don't know. I just it feels like this Eagles team, like when their defensive line isn't playing great and their defense isn't showing up, their offense is not going to help at all. And Jalen Hurts played fine, 230 yards, 19 to 34, two touchdowns and a pick. Saquon only had 56 yards rushing. AJ Brown played fine, 10 catches, 132 yards, two touchdowns. But for whatever he just wasn't enough, and they weren't able to punch it into the end zone enough to come back and win this football game. And I I don't know. Uh it watching the Eagles is absolutely atrocious to do. And I hate to say, oh, sorry, the Bears are 9-3. They're 9-3 on the year, and they have the number one seed now in the NFC. And do I think they can really be go win a Super Bowl? Probably not. I don't I would not put them anywhere near the Rams or the Seahawks. But I think the Bears are playing some very good football, and I have to give them a lot of credit. And I have to give Caleb a little bit of credit because even if with him not playing awesome football, he's doing enough to win football games, and that has to be commended as well. Um, next game, San Fran, Cleveland. Um you wanted to have the Shador conversation?

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:47

Yeah, I had a friend go to this game and I texted him for the game stomped started. I was like, you had to go to Cleveland and you're about to watch a team get dog stopped. I'm sorry for your loss.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:57

San Fran 26 Cleveland 8.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:59

Um imagine having to go to Cleveland. That shithole of a city. Yeah. To watch the Browns. That shithole of a team to get dog walked by a team that is more injured.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:15

But they're 9 4. Crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:17

9 4. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:18

San Francisco 9 4.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:19

Is it weird to say I feel like they'd be better if they threw Mac Jones back out there?

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:23

I don't Brock Purdy played fine in this game. He managed the game, he didn't turn the football over. You have to give him credit.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:28

I said better.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:30

I don't think Mac Jones is better than Brock Purdy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:32

I'm not saying he's better. I think they'd be doing better. Because he'd follow exactly what he told.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:37

I'm glad I've gotten you on this run with me. Because you were a big Brock Purdy guy for a while, but you finally you finally turned to my side.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:45

Let him do what he can do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:46

He did fine in this game. He didn't throw picks. He managed the game. Christian McCaffrey was awesome again. He had 53 yards rushing. I think he also had I think he had a decent amount receiving, though, too. Hold on, let me check here. McCaffrey, 53 yards rushing, and then he also had 21 yards receiving. He didn't really do all that much. George Kittle, four catches, 67 yards. Juwan Jennings had a touchdown catch in this game. But the problem is, is that you they just don't need a lot to beat the Browns, man. They just now have enough offensively. Shador, 16 of 25, 149 yards, one touchdown.

unknown: 1:20:25

It was fine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:27

Is that fine?

unknown: 1:20:28

It's fine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:29

That's not fine. Quinn Sean Junkins.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:33

Oh, I can say he should have had two touchdowns.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:36

He did overthrow that one. Like he was wide open. It was Jerry Judy, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:40

No, Jared Judy wasn't fully running.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:42

Yeah, but it was a bad throw, too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:44

He also still was not fully running.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:46

Okay. Tomato tomato.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:49

I'm just saying Jared Judy had a burst of speed for a second, got a lot closer to that ball.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:54

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:56

But again.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:57

Judkins, 23 carries, 91 yards. Wasn't he only had four yards to carry. Did what he had to do, but is what they just weren't able to punch it into the end zone enough against the San Fran team. Even though the San Fran defense is super injured and they everybody's hurt on that defense, they know what they're doing. And I think they had a very good plan that they were not going to let Quinshawn go crazy in this game. And I think they were going to throw a lot at Shador Sanders and make him have to read the defense and make quick quick decisions. And he wasn't all that great at doing that. Even though I guess 16 to 25 is halfway decent of a stat line. It's just for 149 yards is not great. So did you think about what my question I asked you about Shador? How long would you give him before you really get like do you really think he can be a starting guy in the NFL?

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:47

I give him a full year. Prove it or don't. Because Cam Ward proved it in the first four games.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:53

Yeah, but he's a he's a different player. That's a different stratosphere player.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:06

Prove it. Give him a year, see what he can truly do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:10

Prove it. So let me ask you this question. In your heart of hearts, do you actually think Shador is a starting quarterback in the NFL?

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:18

I think that's a ceiling. But I think he's a jack, just a guy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:23

Okay. I okay. I can agree with that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:25

He's just another guy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:26

I just like because people just keep taking up for him like he's meant to be a starter in the NFL, and that's not the case. I just don't think he's that type of talent. And just because he has the last name, Sanders, it doesn't give you all the physical skills that you need to be a quarterback in the NFL nowadays. I I don't I don't know. This this gate if he was a quarterback 15 years ago, I think there'd be a lot different of a scenario. But as of right now, you need to have a lot more skills than what he what he actually has as a quarterback right now. And I just don't think I think people are taking up for him and like everybody wants to blame the Browns, but I'm like, it could be just as equally that maybe Shador isn't worth being a everyday NFL starter. I don't know. But I don't know. Hopefully he'll be able to take care of, take advantage. And but here's the thing, every time he talks, it doesn't make it any better for me. Every time it's just like, why can't you just be the silent assassin to go out and do your thing and let your play speak for itself? It just feels like every time they're gonna give him an opportunity to say something, he's gonna say something, and it may not sound all that great when it comes from when it's coming from your quarterback of your team. Wide receiver, fine. We don't have that expectation of you to be a polished guy at all times. But as a quarterback, it's unrealistic and it's probably a little bit unfair, but we do want you to kind of be a CEO kind of guy when it comes to talking to the media and doing all that, and he is not going to be that. So I don't know. It just turns me off a little bit. Next game, Jacksonville at Tennessee. Jacksville won the game 25-3. The game wasn't close. Cam Moore doesn't have any help. Uh Trevor Lawrence did just not have to win the game. Jacoby Myers had a pretty decent game, had 90 yards, and Jacksonville did what they need to do. And Jacksonville is now the number one team in the NFC South because Indianapolis is really taking a tumble, and Jacksonville is definitely in the lead right now for first in the NFC South. So I don't know. I don't like Jacksonville either. I don't think they're a much better team, but the problem is that Houston kind of put dug themselves a hole that they're trying to dig themselves out of. So I don't know. As of right now, Jacksonville probably will make the playoffs, but they'll probably get beat by somebody in the first round, and it probably won't be pretty. But Jacksonville's doing what they need to do right now. So we'll have to give them credit for that. Next game, Houston at Indianapolis. Houston won the game 20-16.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:48

Second overall pick. I just needed to say that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:51

Oh, I think so too. I again, me and you were both saying that same thing when they did it, and they traded away good draft picks to do so. I think they gave away their first round pick for next year to make it happen. So that's gonna be a pick they're gonna be dealing with for years to come. And I do think if they can probably try to salvage that whole situation, it's gonna be by telling Travis Hunter to pick a side of the football and stay there. And maybe you can get close to getting the value that you picked him up with. But here's the thing, I don't think he's a good enough receiver or cornerback at one spot to be worth that pick either. I don't know. But if they just want him to be usable, I think he needs to pick a side and stay there. I just don't think it's feasible in the NFL to do what he was trying to do.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:35

So no, uh you know it's funny, I don't think he's a great at like he's like the best in the game at either spots. No, I think he's probably a more natural corner than he would be a receiver because I think at his ceiling's a number two receiver.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:53

But he's a small corner.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:56

And our receiver, he's a small receiver. I don't I just don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:00

Sorry, I I I hate Travis Hunter. He didn't deserve that fucking Heisman.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:04

He's not playing for the rest of the season, so it's not we have to not like we have talked about him that much, but you know, you're you're right. It definitely was a waste of a pick. Houston indie. Houston six Houston won the game 20-16. Defense is awesome. CJ Stroud had his first game back in like three or four weeks. He came out and played very well. They limited Houston in a um sorry, Houston's defense was dominant in this game. Limited Indian Indianapolis, Daniel Jones, 14 to 27, 200 yards, two touchdowns, didn't really do much more than that. Jonathan Taylor, 85 yards off 21 carries.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:37

No touchdowns.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:38

Let me check. Hold on. Um, I'm gonna no crazy how that works. Man. Again, this is probably the best defense in all the NFL, so I'm not gonna get on him for not having a great game against them.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:55

Oh, but you're happy to slob on his wiener when he has a great game against Titans.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:00

Yeah, maybe. Maybe a little bit. Um Alec Pierce had a touchdown catch. Tyler Warren had a touchdown catch. Um, but it's just Indianapolis wasn't able to get enough plays in order to win this game. And on top of that, CJ on the other side played well 22-35, 276, didn't get a touchdown pass, but they did get a couple rushing touchdowns out of Nick Chubb and Nico Collins. And then Nico Collins did everything. He had a like a touchdown rush, he had five catches for 98 yards. Jaden Higgins, the second round receiver that they picked up, is starting to play well and get and get involved in that offense with CJ there. Um, Dalton Schultz got involved. Like, if Houston can figure it out offensively to where their defense doesn't have to hold every team they face to under 20 points, I think they'll be a very dangerous team. They're 7-5 right now, and they started the season like 1-5, I think. So if they can keep this momentum going, I think they can be a very dangerous team in the playoffs because of how dominant that defense is. But they just their offense needs to keep putting it together to where they their team can score in the 20s consistently because that defense, playing against some of the better offenses in the AFC, it's not gonna be a guarantee that's gonna hold everybody to under 20 points. So I believe in CJ, I think they'll figure it out, and as long as they can protect him in that office while I can get it together. I do think they can make some real noise in the playoffs, especially if it's gonna be without Kansas City in there, and the Bills are up and down. So like there's the AFC is is there to be had if there's gonna be a team that's gonna be able to take it. So I don't know. I believe in Houston, I believe in CJ. So, you know, call me biased on that. New Orleans at Miami, Miami won the game 21-17. This game was like a slog fest altogether, wasn't a very great game to watch, but Miami got the job done, won the game. Devon HN had a couple really good plays. He had like 134 yards rushing, and I think he had like another decent amount receiving, right? Or am I crazy? No, HN didn't really do anything receiving, but Darren Waller came back, had a couple catches of 47 yards. Waddle had a three catches. Uh so again, this is against the Saints, so I can't really give Miami all that much credit for winning this game. But again, this is a bad Miami team that loses to a lot of teams. So I could have totally seen them losing to New Orleans and not really batted an eye at that. Atlanta at New York Jets. The Jets won the game 27 to 24. And I don't know, the New York Jets kind of just came out, played a very good game. Tyrod Taylor, 172 yards, 19 of 33 for a touch and a touchdown. I Brees Hall, 68 yards, had a touchdown catch. AD Mitchell had an awesome game finally in his NFL career. He had eight catches, 102 yards, and a touchdown. Definitely a lot more than what he was doing with the Colts, so you have to give him a little credit for playing a little, but again, he's like the Best receiver there. So obviously he's gonna get be getting all the catches. But the Falcons just couldn't get the job done. Bijan played great, 142 yards rushing, had a touchdown. They really are. Kirk Cousins didn't play bad, but it's just the Falcons' defense could not get enough stops to win this game against a bad New York Jets team. But so that's like a problem that they're gonna have to deal with. But again, these are two middling teams in the NFL. And I think it was actually a pretty fun game to watch, but it's just not much you can take from it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:27

They can get a playoff spot.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:29

No, they can't.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:31

What division are they playing again? They have three wins. What is the division they play in again?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:35

The NFC Sounds.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:37

How many wins does Tampa Bay have?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:38

Tampa Bay has seven. That's not far off. That's a lot. That's a pretty big gap. Arizona at Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay won the game 20-17. Baker, 18-28, 194. Bucky Irving's back, had 61 yards rushing. Chris Goblin, 78 yards receiving off three catches. Ameka didn't have to do all of the work in this game. He only had four catches, 42 yards. And the defense kind of came to play and they did make some big plays. You know who also had a touchdown catch in this game? Tristan Wirfs. They're tight end. Sorry, no, they're offensive tackle. My bad. He kind of came out in a, he was like the extra offensive lineman in that formation. And then he just kind of went out, turned around. Big old boy. All Baker had to do was throw it in his arms and he caught it. Very good. It was fun to see Tristan Wirfs get that touchdown catch. But the Tampa is a very good team, man. When they're healthy, they're a very hard team to stop, especially offensively. And they came out and played some very good ball, even with their defense not really playing all that great, but it's just Arizona can't be counted on to be consistent that way. Jacoby Brissett, 29 to 40, 300 yards, two touchdowns, and a pick. They didn't really run the football all that great. Trey McBride. Huh?

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:56

McKevin is a Hall of Famer right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:58

Yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:00

First ballot.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:03

Wide receivers is weird because they always make wide receivers wait.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:06

He's the only receiver to have as many thousand-year receivers. Received receiving seasons.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:13

In a row as then Jerry Rice. I think he had more than Jerry Rice, right? He broke the case. No, no.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:16

No, no. Jerry Rice had 16.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:19

In a row? Yes. Ooh.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:22

When he got it, it was Jerry Rice. You have company.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:26

Okay, he's close. Okay, I got it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:27

No, he's nowhere fucking near.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:29

He had a lot, he did 11 in a row.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:31

Yes. And this is probably his last year. And he said more, buddy, and you'd make it to me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:37

Alright, fine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:38

Oh, real quick, we talk about like LeBron. Like he's truly great as ever do it. Jerry Rice is probably the greatest receiver. He is the greatest receiver ever.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:45

I think, yeah, people obviously give him that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:47

I know it's just not talked about as much. Like Michael Jordan's still talked about today.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:50

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:51

And he played legit 30 years ago. No, like 25, 20.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:58

But it Jerry Rice didn't play that long ago either.

unknown: 1:33:00

True.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:01

Don't talk about him at all.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:03

Because he's just not as flashy as other guys, man. But when it comes to production, he killed it in the NFL.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:08

He he was like 36 on the Raiders and still had a thousand yards.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:12

Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:13

He was 37 on the Seahawks and still had a thousand yards.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:18

He knew how to get the job done, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:20

What?

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:21

You know how to get the job done, young or old. Don't matter to him. Trey McBride had a great game. Eight catches, 82 yards, and a touchdown. Marv came back off the injury. Six catches, 69 yards, nice. Bam Knight had a touchdown catch. But again, it was just the Cardos couldn't get enough done to win this game, but it's just at the end of the day, Tampa just with Baker at the helm. He was healthy enough to come back and play this game, even with that shoulder injury. Came out, played the game, won it. Good on them. They're keeping their lead in the NFC South pretty strong. LA Rams go to the Carolina Panthers, and they fucking lose. Carolina wins the game 31 to 28. This was a back and forth affair. It was a scoring affair, even though the weather was bad. Matthew Stafford, he had two picks in the first quarter. That I really do think kind of like really gave the Carolina life in this game. Because honestly, at the start of the game, the Rams kind of like went down the field their first drive right away and got a touchdown. And if like, oh, this is gonna get nasty real quick. But he ended up throwing those two picks in that first quarter and really gave the Panthers life and two touchdown drives. Bryce Young, 15-20, 200 yards, three touchdowns. He just played some very good football. I'm hardcasting. And let's see, and Jay's on the phone, but I'm gonna keep going. Um, Matthew Saver did also have the turnover late in the game to kind of seal the game for the Panthers, but it's just nobody was really going to expect the Rams to lose a game like that against the Panthers. You know, it's very funny. We all look at the Panthers being like one of the worst teams in the NFL. They're seven and six on the season. So do you think that this is like a referendum on the Rams not being as good as we all thought? Because last week we were singing their praises about how they're probably the best team in the NFL right now. So does this take you away from thinking that? Or is this more of just thinking, like, oh, Panthers had a great game?

SPEAKER_03: 1:35:19

I think the Rams had a bad game. They had to have one true bad game at some point. I don't think they're not as good as we thought. I think they're just as good as we thought he was at a bad game.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:28

Like Matthew Safford was going through like he was like the longest streak. I think he was going through like it was some type of streak where it was like the most passing touchdowns without a pick, and it was going back to like week like six of last year or something like that. So the fact he had gone as far as he was without turning the football over was awesome. But it came, it kind of turned its reared its ugly head in like the worst way in that first quarter because that was really the difference in the game. Like him throwing those picks really gave Carolina that chance to score those 14 points. But even after that, it was like the Rams' defense just wasn't as dominant as it's been been in weeks past. And Bryson played fine. 15 to 20, three touchdowns, 206 yards. Their leading receiver was Jalen Coker, four catches, 74 yards, and I think also Tet did make the 43-yard touchdown catch from Bryce to uh with like six minutes left to put them up 31 to 28 to win the game. But it's just the Rams just had a bad game. And again, this is just like you, it doesn't make me think worse of the Rams at all. Just a bad game. And I think this is this goes to show that even the Panthers, not as bad as we thought. They're only like I said, seven to six on the year. But like all of these dudes are paid. They're all paid athletes, and they're all they're all paid to go out there and make these plays. And if you don't show up and have your bet have a good game, or at least have a decent game, a team like that's a little bit lower, you lower than you can get you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:53

That happens.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:55

And I think I heard this on a different pod I was listening to, is that like the NFL is built for nobody to win for too long or for nobody to lose for too long because of how it's built, because of the draft.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:07

Not for the Falcons.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:10

Um no, because the Falcons even had a Super Bowl run. They didn't hit win it, but they got to a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:15

How long ago was that?

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:17

That would have been what year was that? That was still with Brady was with the Patriots. Was that 2020?

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:26

No, that was a year. Yeah, I think it was the Falcons.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:31

No. That was like 2016. 17. Okay, or definitely earlier than I thought.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:40

How many first rounders do they have on their offense?

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:43

On their offense for the Falcons? Why? Why does it matter how many first rounders they have on the offense for the Falcons?

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:52

I think a team with five first round round guys on their offense would still be bad.

unknown: 1:38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:01

Uh huh. Kyle Pitts.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:04

Uh Michael Penix.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:07

Yeah, but he's hurt. He's not playing, he's not playing right now. So that's four spots. But even that's four. Even before he got hurt, he wasn't playing all the time.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:13

That's four top ten first-round picks. Yeah, I can agree. And they're still bad.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:18

And they just used two first-round picks last year on defensive ends. And they're bad. Their defense isn't necessarily all that great. Okay, fine. I'll I'll give you that. But like the NFL in general, like it's it's built for no team to be good for too long or bad for too long, because it's always built for parity. So just like the fact that a team like the Panthers, even with having a like having Bryce Young, who's not necessarily playing great all the time, if he has a great game, he can come up and beat a team like the LA Rams, and it's a shock for everybody that watched, but like when you look at it, it's like, oh, it's not that surprising. All these dudes are talented to a certain degree, and they can get you if you don't play well. So it's just you know, it's one of those things. But like like you said, LA Rams, they're gonna be fine. I don't think they really needed this loss to like wake them up or anything, but I do think that they just had a bad day at the office, and it they'll they'll learn from it and they'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:09

I think they'll be perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:11

I think it's them and the Seahawks in the West anyway, even though the Bears are technically at the top in the NFC. I do think the Rams are a much better team in general. I think the Seahawks are too. Um, next game, Minnesota at Seattle. Seattle won the game 26-0. And this is without um JSN doing anything in this game. He really didn't do anything at all. And Seattle still won this game in a landslide. Minnesota didn't even have J.J. McCarthy playing in this game because they sat him, because they apparently said he had an injury of some sort, which I really don't believe at all. I really do think they're just sitting him, but trying to make it out, make it out to be that they're not doing that in the media. So the quarterback that they had playing in this game was let's see, I want to make sure I get the guy's name right because I don't remember it off the top of my head. Max Brosmer. A rookie quarterback from Minnesota. That's what they had starting from them this game. He was awful, 19 of 30, 126 yards, and four picks.

unknown: 1:40:12

Damn.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:15

Uh Justin Jefferson's life must be hell. Think about where he was last year, having Sam Darnold as his quarterback, flying high, making great plays. And now this year, uh Sam Darnold's proven to be like a probably a top.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:36

No, it's just crazy to think about it. Of like three years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:40

Oh, yeah, because Sam Darnold was looked at as like he was like one of the worst, like he's a castaway. And then he's kind of turned it around, playing great like he did last year, and then this year playing very well with the Seahawks. But like Justin Jefferson would kill somebody to get Sam Darnold back because of how bad the quarterback play has been. So not only are they bad, they're at four, they're four and eight, but they're not even getting Justin Jefferson the ball like he wants to.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:03

So I'm bad and I can't get my stats.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:06

It's all one fail swoop. It's terrible, and I'm it must be hell to beat him right now. Um, the Vikings were looked at to be one of the better teams in the NFL coming into the year, but because they put all their eggs in the JJ McCarthy basket and he's been ass, and whatever quarterback they've had behind him has been ass. They just haven't, like it just has not gone well for them this year. I'm not even sure their core their coach will make it past the season because that's probably on him that they went and picked JJ McCarthy up in the first place. He had to have given given the AOK that he is going to be able to build JJ McCarthy into a starting NFL quarterback. And it's not even fucking close. And Sam Darnold went out there and, you know, they just won this game effectively, and their defense is awesome. And it's just they went out there and did their thing. Next game, Buffalo, Pittsburgh. Buffalo won the game 26-7. Pittsburgh had a total.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:58

One more catch.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:59

I need we needed one more catch to win that bet. That was so terrible. See, at least you can't be mad at me on that. Like we were close. All we need is one more catch to we would won that money. That's true, but at least I'm getting you closer.

unknown: 1:42:10

Is that a win?

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:11

Fuck you. Aaron Rodgers, 10 of 21 for 117 yards. Ass. Jalen Warren, I love him, but 10 carries, 35 yards, and a touchdown. Ass. Our leading receiver was Darnell Washington with two catches and 45 yards.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:29

Real quick, I didn't think. I thought that was gonna be the part of the bet that didn't hit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:33

No, he hit like bat. Like he had it in one play, he had like 30 something yards off of one catch. I'm not gonna lie, he really has turned into like a real weapon. Him being the fact that he has 6'7 and 300 pounds, like if they use him effectively. I walked right into that one. Walked right into the 6'7 joke. Um, but the fact that he is as effective, he's like so big and so athletic, he's bigger, he can't really jump off the off the field all that much. He's pretty heavy. You don't need to. He's gonna run to your buttons. He's so big and he'll run through your chest. He outgained DK fucking Metcalf in this game. That's how bad this offense was. We had a total, we had under 200 yards, 170 yards of total offense in this game against a bad Buffalo Bills defense.

unknown: 1:43:20

Bad Buffalo Bills.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:21

This Steelers team is ass. Josh Allen didn't even play great. 15 of 23 for 123 yards, one touchdown, and one pick. James Cook was awesome, though. He had 20, 32 carries, 144 yards.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:33

I just expect James Cook to be awesome.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:36

And that he's been kind of up and down this year. But like Josh Allen did have a touchdown run this game. He had eight cat eight carries, 38 yards. But it's just the Buffalo Bills, it looked so good for so in that first half. It looked like it looked like the Steelers were controlling this game. And then the second half, the can opened, and John and the Bills were just able to pour it on because we can't, we threw the football away. We weren't, we had, I think it was uh was it a couple fumbles? Yeah, Aaron Rodgers fumbled the football. That was a touchdown that Joy Bosa sacked him, was a strip sack that turned into a touchdown for the Bills, and that was it. Like as soon as that happened, the Bills had the lead and the game was over, and we were just waiting for the game to be over. This Pittsburgh Steelers team at 6-6 is ass, and I want them to literally give up on the season because Aaron Rodgers can't use his fucking left hand because it's broken, and that that's a whole broken wrist situation. They didn't even play from under the under the center. He couldn't even receive an under-the-center snap because he has his hand is hurt. It's time to fucking end it on the season, man. It's I'm done. I'm fucking done with I'm done on the year. I'm done. I just let's go lose football games. Let's go get Cardinal Tate to be our new next wide receiver one, because I'm fucking done with everybody. DK Metcalf, get the fuck out. He's not really all that again. I feel that way, but I'm also like our quarterback play is so bad.

SPEAKER_03: 1:44:56

Like maybe we're making entirely his fault.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:59

We're making him look worse by comparison because of how bad it is.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:01

He's also never the most elite receiver in the world.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:04

True. I totally agree with that. And it's it's so bad. Our offense is bad, our defense is bad. Everybody's like, fire Mike Tomlin, but I'm like, maybe that maybe that is what's needed to go and change things for the future. But I'm like, it's not all his fault either. That's a that's a we need the whole, we need the team to be sold to a billionaire that has a bunch of money to spend. Shit, you're telling me. That's what we fucking need because it's a change of philosophy the team needs, not just firing Mike Tomlin. Because everybody the the whole organization organization hides behind Mike Tomlin being the head guy of the program. It's a group decision. The ownership is involved. So anything that happens, ownership gives the okay on. And I think it's more of a culture thing that's needed, and then it's not necessarily all controlled by Mike Tomlin. But the team has asked, it's time to give up on the year. I'm ready to lose games to go get Carnell Tate. I like that's seriously what I want. It's I that's what I want so bad. Because there's no quarterback really worth drafting in the first round this year, so I'm not gonna go down that route. But let's go ahead and go on to the next one before I get too more upset about it. Um, Raiders, Chargers, Chargers win the game 31 to 14. Uh Herbert had to leave this game with a hand injury. I think he had it broke his left hand or something like that. He's getting a surgery on it this week. They're not even saying whether he's gonna be, he's gonna miss any time because they're saying that he might be able to come back and play next week. I'm not sure why they'd have him do it, but you know, it doesn't matter. He's a young man if he wants to go out there and do it. He's done it before. I think he's had a whole cast on his hand on his left hand and went out there and played still. But the the Raiders are trash. Gino's trash. Everybody but Brock Bowers on that team is trash. He had two touchdown catches in this game. He was their only weapon, and the whole Chargers defense knew that, and he still got two touchdown catches. Ash and Genty is not good. Like, all of it is absolutely awful for that Raiders team. Chargers went out there and did what they had to do to win that football game. Um, the Sunday night game, Denver at Washington. Denver won the game 27 to 26 in overtime.

SPEAKER_03: 1:47:10

Bonex was when did the rankings come out?

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:13

Um in about an hour, I think. Why?

SPEAKER_03: 1:47:17

They just came out.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:18

Did they?

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:19

Texas Tech's now at five. No. Is it really the case? AM's at four. AM's at seven.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:27

No. When are the Tuesday night? When are they saying they're they're released? Oh, seven p.m. Fun.

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:41

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:41

When you have all the rankings, let me know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:43

You just you can just tell them to go from OSU at one, Indiana at two, Georgia at three, Oregon at four, Texas Tech at five, I'll miss at my bad. Texas Tech at five, I'll miss at six.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:57

Uh they jumped up. Surprised.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:00

Yeah, AM at seven, Oklahoma at eight, Notre Dame at nine, Alabama at ten, BYU at eleven, Miami at twelve, Vanderbilt at thirteen.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:14

And there are technically two spots out of it, because like I said, that one spot's gonna take in by the group of five.

SPEAKER_03: 1:48:19

Miami is also out of it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:20

No, yeah, as of right now, yeah. Ooh, funny. And Oregon's at four. I'm guessing it's still Tulane, right? It is JMU. JMU. Where's JMU at? 19. Where's Tulane at? 21. Fun. Okay. All right. That's good. Glad we got that out there for sure. I'm I am surprised at where Oregon? Yeah, you said Oregon's at four? Man, I'm surprised. Where'd you say Georgia was at? Three? So if Georgia wins the play wins against Bama, they're gonna be in. Texas Tech might jump above Oregon if they win this weekend, though. If they win the their conference championship game. So Oregon may not be in the top four for long. Okay, alright. Miami State where they're at, Bama State they were where they were at.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:13

Miami's in the ACC championship.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:16

No, who is?

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:18

It is Virginia and Duke. Like I said, Duke with five losses.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:23

If they Miami's not in the ACC championship.

unknown: 1:49:26

No.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:27

How is what the fuck? Okay, so Miami's kind of fucked. Yeah. But that still goes to show of hey, are they gonna move Notre Dame out from Miami?

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:39

Yeah, if it comes down to it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:40

Which most likely, since Notre Dame is at nine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:44

And I but they're still there's Nami's at 12. They're still keeping them far away from each other, though. I don't know. We'll see.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:52

You're right, Notre Dame is playing better. Uh oh yeah, Notre Dame's a better team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:57

No.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:58

Yes, best group of five team is JMU. Okay. 11 and 1, and then University of North Texas is 11 and 1, then Tulane is 10 and 2.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:07

Alright. Arizona, Navy, Georgia Tech, Missoul. Uh did you want me to read the rest after Vanderbilt? No, I don't care. 14 through 18.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:16

It doesn't really matter. No. That's all I really needed. Because honestly, this does this this ranking really matter? No, not really. Maybe the Miami-Notre Dame stuff was really a question.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:26

Vanderbilt was a question to me if they were to make it or not.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:28

True, but the real question is like next weekend after all the next week after all the championship games are played, where it kind of all sits. That's where the final ranking is. So okay, that's fine. Good. Good ranking. USC's at 17.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:40

Well, Michigan's at 18.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:44

They deserve to fall farther. They suck.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:48

University of Virginia's at 16.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:51

Okay. Um Navy's at 23. Navy. Denver and Washington. Denver won the game 27-26. This game was not pre-Bonex, 29-45, 321 yards, one touchdown, one pick. They didn't really run the football that effectively. RJ Harvey was leading to uh leading rusher, 35 yards off 13 carries, had two touchdowns. Evan Ingram, 79 yards. He was a leading receiver for Broncos in this game. Washington had a chance to win this football game. In overtime, Washington was able to actually, at the end of the game, Washington was able to come back, hit the field goal to send it to overtime. Broncos got the ball first, went down, scored a touchdown. Then Washington was able to get all the way down the field to score their touchdown. And instead of hitting, trying to hit the field goal to tie it up to kind of send it to Sudden Death, they decided to go for two and try to win the game right away. And they had an open, they had an open guy, the running back running into the flat. All they had to do was all Mario Do had to do was get it to him. And Nick Benito, their defensive end kind of the linebacker, just jumped up, swatted the pass down, and the game was over. Very close game, very fun game to watch. Um the Broncos are always just like, do you know they're like they have like only have one loss in one score's one score game this year, one score games this year. Do you think this the rec the one stat I heard was that in the five games that they have been um losing in the fourth quarter, they're undefeated. In those games. It's just one of those things. But the Broncos keep playing with fire, but in this game it didn't really work, it worked out in their favor. Washington couldn't get the two-point conversion down in order to win the football game. But it was just enough for them to win the game. They're 10-2, they're still very well positioned in the AFC, and uh it was just very good news for them that they were able to get over their offensive woes and still be able to get win out this football game. Because defensively, they weren't able to really stop Washington all that much. Terry McLaurin went crazy, um, Debo Samuel went crazy. Like they all were able to make plays all over the place. And uh credit to Washington, they're still a very hard out and they're playing very good. Zach Ertz was leading receiver for them in this game. He had 100 yards over 100 yards receiving. Zach Ertz is like 36 or years old. Yeah, I was about to say it's crazy to still hear his name. He's a middle of the field merchant. It feels like every time he's playing in a football game, the middle of the field is always wide open for him, and he's making the play every single goddamn time. And it just goes to like what could this team be if they had Jaden Daniels on the field rather than Marcus Mariota? I think they can still be a very dangerous team, but it's just they've been hurt all year, and it's just been not been a great year for them in general because of all the injuries. But very fun game to watch for sure. And then the game last night, New York um Giants going to New England. New England won the game 33 to 15. This game was not close. Drake May went was awesome. He had 280 yards passing in this game.

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:45

I had um Drake May. Two plus touchdowns.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:49

He had it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:51

I had him like over 150 yards.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:54

He had it. I had um a couple other things. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:59

And you won the bet or lost?

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:01

The only thing I had is I didn't think it would get above uh 43 points.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:05

Oh yeah, that one hit that one did not go in for it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:54:16

Uh huh. They did not.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:17

Not at all. And you talked about this is one L you're gonna have to take young Way Koo. Did you see what he did trying to hit a field goal? And he kicked the fucking dirt. I'm talking they were going for a field goal. This game was still in the in the um in the balance. It was seven to ten, actually, no, seven to fifteen or something like that, and they were going for the field goal to cut down the lead, and he kicks the ground, doesn't even kick the football. Like I'm talking, toe straight into the dirt, and it stops all his momentum, and he misses the football altogether. Absolutely insane when that happened. It was kind of wild, but the Giants had no chance to win this football game, they're not really all that good. Um, Jackson Dark did come back and come off an injury and play in this game, didn't really play all that great. 17 of 24, 139 yards and one touchdown. Devin Singletary, I think the same. Devin Singletary? Yeah. Singletary, the running back, 68 yards, had a touchdown in this game. Darius Slayton had a decent had an okay game, two catches, 41 yards, and a touchdown. But it's just the Giants just don't have enough firepower to kind of play with this Patriots team. Um they just play very good football. And then the Patriots, I if you had, and we're gonna do this and then make our Thursday night pick and then get out of here. If you had to say who's your Super Bowl, who who is who's the two teams for you to meet in the Super Bowl, who would you pick?

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:39

None of you motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:40

And I'm only I'm only asking this because Braland asked me this the other day, and I really had to think about it, and I'm like, man, like I can't think the Chiefs aren't real like all these teams. I'm like, you know what the two teams I thought of? Like, I think maybe we'll meet in the Super Bowl? I said the Rams and the fucking Patriots.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:01

If I watch the Patriots in the fucking Super Bowl, I might cry.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:05

No, I again we've been very constant about our hatred for Patriot fans and how they don't deserve to have this type, this type of success again after they had all those years of dominating the NFL. But they're playing really good football right now. And I'm just like, there's nobody else in the AFC unless Houston like offensively really turns it up and they manage to get that all figured out. Maybe Houston can kind of come up and do something like, but who are the other real contenders in the AFC? Do you believe in the Jaguars? Do you believe in the Chargers? Do you like the Saints the Chiefs are practically done? I don't think they're making the playoffs at all.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:42

Oh no, no, they're out.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:43

I don't believe in anybody from the AFC North. Maybe if Joe Burrow like really gets hot and they come in, you guys get into the playoffs, maybe you guys can do something because there'd be no quarterbacks left that I think Joe Burrow should really be scared of.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:54

I hope not.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:55

I know you do, but I'm just saying, as a point of fact, like if Joe Burrow gets there and there's no Mahomes and all there is is freaking Josh Allen, like he could definitely get the job done then. I'm like, I don't believe in anybody in the fucking AFC other than the Patriots. I and maybe Houston. Like I said, Houston, maybe if they get their offense totally figured out and CJ gets hot again, like maybe that, but I'm just like, I don't like the AFC is a mess.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:19

I don't know. It's really hard to guess.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:21

If you were to ask me this, maybe Nah, see, this isn't I got nothing for you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:28

It's it's a hard question. Like, there's nobody that's really separated themselves. I would say that maybe the Rams or the Seahawks. Like those two teams have separated from everybody else in the NFC to me, I think. But like other than that, I don't believe in anybody. I don't. It's just it's weird. Um, but last but not least, before we get out of here, Thursday night football is happening this week. The game is the Dallas Cowboys going to Detroit to play them in their house. Who would you have potentially oh, before I you make your pick. Overall, I last week I went nine and seven, you went ten and six. Um, you I am 113-66-1 for the overall record on the year, and you are 118-60 and one. I'm a dog.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:13

Dog. I'm a dog.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:16

You're 117. I just can't add.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:20

I'm still a dog.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:22

Or I can't add. One of the two. You're five games ahead of me. So it's look it's very good. Dog walking you. So what is your pick for the Thursday game? What's the pick? Dallas at Detroit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:33

Gross. You're gonna take Dallas at your No, no, I don't know. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:46

I again, it's neither of these teams have defenses as of right now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:50

True, but Dallas's defense has been a little bit better.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:52

They've been getting after the quarterback a lot. And and oh, did you hear about Frank Ragnow? He failed his physical. He had like a grade three hamstring, hamstring uh pull or what do they call it? It was some it was a very bad hamstring. Yeah, something like that. It was very bad. They had to fail his physical, so he can't even come back for them for the rest of the regular season. So they don't even get that as a boost for them anymore. So and I'm not even sure if they're saying what if Ammar Saint Brown's gonna be coming back for this game at all. He's questionable as of right now. So what would you do? What do you what are you thinking? I'm gonna take Detroit because they're at home. Who are you taking? Give me the Cowboys. See you take the Cowboys makes me want to take the Cowboys. But I'll I'll I won't be a bitch. I'll I'll let you take Dallas by yourself. Already have five games behind. What is it? What is six? Alright. That's it. That's a Thursday night football game. We've talked. About absolutely everything else we could possibly talk about. Um, we had a decently good time doing it, and that's about it for us. We're gonna end the podcast here. So if you've been listening for a while, we appreciate it. We appreciate you. If you've been just now jumping on, hopefully, you like us and enjoy us enough to talk about to join us on this ride of talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you do like us and and enjoy us, we are available on only all your uh audio platforms everywhere you can find us, so make sure you do that. Three things you can do for us if you really do want to support us. We would have loved if you could like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us. Make sure you share us, friends, family, enemies, anybody you feel like can enjoy the podcast we put on a weekly basis. We would love if you can do that. And then last but not least, if you could follow us on X and or Twitter, whatever you'd like to call it. At JV Sports Pod is the podcast handle, at Jovante Boozer is my handle, at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I'll hand it over to Jay so he can finish off the pod.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:00

It's been Goles Podcast. Thank you guys for listening today. Thank you guys for always listening. Have a nice day, a nice night.

SPEAKER_00: 2:01:08

Goodbye, y'all. Bye, y'all. See y'all in a couple days.