JB's Sports Podcast
JB's Sports Podcast
Why Jeremiah Smith Was Snubbed And What Week 15 Revealed About Contenders
Sorry I was an idiot and forgot to publish the pod on Tuesday when we recorded and I didn't notice until I went to upload the Friday pod. I will still publish because it's a good pod done by Jace and I but understand if you skip it all together because by now all the topics are old news. I take full responsibility and will be more diligent in the future to make sure we get these pods out on time and published like they need to.
The spark was a trophy, but the fire was bigger: did voters crown the best receiver in college football, or reward the tougher road? We break down Jeremiah Smith vs Makai Lemon with numbers, context, and a blunt look at how awards get decided when tape and narratives collide. Quarterback play, missed games, shared targets, and conference perception all factor into a decision that has Ohio State fans fuming and USC fans flexing.
Then the NFL demanded our attention. Chicago handled Cleveland as Caleb Williams flashed poise against a top defense, while Myles Garrett surged toward a sack record that forces us to admit that the dominance he's displaying is on another level. The biggest shock came in Kansas City: the Chargers’ defense smothered an already-limited offense, and Patrick Mahomes’ ACL/LCL tear may force a complete reset. We dig into stale concepts, thin receiver play, and what a post-scramble Mahomes would mean for Andy Reid’s blueprint.
Meanwhile, the Rams look terrifying. Stafford’s timing and aggression, a two-back hammer with Kyren Williams and Blake Corum, and Puka Nakua’s relentless zone punishment overwhelmed Detroit’s injury-riddled defense. In Dallas, Minnesota punched through soft spots and turned a supposed mismatch into a statement. And in primetime, Pittsburgh’s defense exposed Miami’s zone issues, leaving the AFC picture even messier. If you’re looking for a path to January upsets, we map it out: avoid Buffalo early, fear Houston’s rise, and bet on teams that win third down and finish drives.
It’s a week where awards feel subjective, but the field feels wide open. We’re calling out what’s real, what’s hype, and what travels in December. If you’re into sharp analysis, spicy debates, and clear takeaways you can argue about with friends, you’ll feel right at home here.
Enjoyed the show? Follow, subscribe, and drop us a five-star review. Share this episode with a friend who loves a good football argument and tell us: who’s your AFC dark horse right now?
Welcome back to the podcast. Today is Tuesday, December the 16th. Back for the podcast.
SPEAKER_00:We're back. It's Tuesday. We didn't have any College Ball over the weekend to really talk about whatsoever. I guess you did have the Army Navy game, but I didn't watch that shit. Um, but other than that, there really was another much- Oh, so I do have one College Ball topic to talk about. I know either you're gonna be totally with me on this, or you're gonna tell me I'm just sucking off Ohio State again, and there's gonna be a whole thing. Actually, not really Ohio State, it's like more of a general thing. But then obviously we had this weekend's uh week 15 of NFL ball to talk about, which is we're gonna recap and do all that, and it'll be a little bit short of a podcast today. Well, I said that last time and it's still in the being two hours, but I really think this will probably be an hour.
SPEAKER_03:No other news to talk about, so it probably yeah, it won't be that bad.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, unfortunately. So this is my topic that I literally thought of right before we started. Because this has been something on my mind ever since it happened. I think it happened on Friday when we after we had podcasted. Okay. I need to get I'm gonna give you two players. Blind rankings, okay? And just tell me if there is one you will automatically would take over the other. Alright?
SPEAKER_03:Automatically?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, for sure. No questions asked, okay?
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:This is so um player A, or we'll just say receiver. There's both receivers. Receiver A.
SPEAKER_01:I don't want to do this anymore.
SPEAKER_00:Has for the season 79 catches, 1,156 yards, and 11 touchdowns. Receiver B has 80 catches, 1,086 yards, and 11 touchdowns. And that's without any context, really not a huge discrepancy between them. 100 yards, right? And then you add the context.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:One of them is named Jeremiah Smith.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:The other is named Makhi Lemon. Jeremiah Smith, the wide receiver, the number one wide receiver for an Ohio State Buckeys team that went 12-0 throughout the regular season, lost in the Big Ten championship game. Makhae Lemon, number one wide receiver for the USC Trojans, who went 9-3, didn't really have a big win throughout the season. They decided, the whoever the media is when they decide to vote on these awards. No.
SPEAKER_02:Huh?
SPEAKER_00:Nope. Mikhail Lemon's a sophomore, just like just like Jeremiah. They decided to the Blendikoff Award, which is the award given to the best wide receiver in all of college football. They gave it to Mikhail Lemon.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I am a little bit freaked. Again, this is the same thing as when it happened with Marv. They took it from Marv to give it to uh Jordan Addison one year.
SPEAKER_03:That shit was just crazy, though. There's a difference. That was some fucking bullshit.
SPEAKER_00:But I think it's the same thing in this scenario. I just think when you look at these two receivers who had very, very similar, very similar seasons when it comes to their stats, right? Who's Mikhail Lemon's quarterback? Um, it is I'm uh oh no, I am forgetting his name. It's hold on, I got you. I got you, I got you, I got you. It's he's um hold on from Jaden Mayava. Jaden Maiava is is his quarterback.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Hold on, give me one second.
SPEAKER_00:And let me add up the context while you're looking at whatever you're looking at, okay? This this is why it doesn't make any sense to me. This person, who again, I'm not saying McLeman is a bad receiver at all. He's a really good receiver. And he had a very productive year. Very productive in the same way that Jeremiah's was productive. And this is this is the step with Jeremiah missing a game and a half. Mind you, let me go ahead and mention that as well. If Jeremiah would have played that one other game that was against, I believe, Purdue, he would have had like another 100, 200 yards, probably a touchdown or two more. So this same Mikhail Lemon that won the won the pla won the Blindakoff for the best wide receiver in the country. Would you like to know who won the receiver for the best wide receiver in the Big Ten?
SPEAKER_02:Um Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:Jeremiah Smith. And let me mind you, Mikhail Lemon and Jeremiah Smith are both in the Big Ten.
SPEAKER_03:Julian Saiyan was a far fucking better quarterback.
SPEAKER_00:Is so that's the reason you would give as to why are you saying are you saying that's a you it's a reason why you could see them picking Mikhail Lemon over Jeremiah Smith? There's no actual discernible reason why they would pick Mikhail Lemon because everybody knows Jeremiah Smith's the best receiver in college football. No questions asked.
SPEAKER_03:In the way that Jordan Maiava was not nowhere near as good of he threw more interceptions, he threw less touchdowns, and had more yards in a way that six interceptions, 32 touchdowns, almost an 80% completion percentage. Julian Sand was.
SPEAKER_00:Again, that game, which is a whole totally different bag of worms because it came down to him versus Fernando Mendoza in the Big Ten championship game. It was pretty much decided.
SPEAKER_03:Fourth is crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Between the two, they were deciding whoever wins this game is gonna win the Heisman. And Fernando Mendoza did not have a great game. He had a couple really good throws. He just won the game, but he won the game and he won the Heisman. But that led to Julian Sang going fourth behind both um uh Diego Pavia being at two.
SPEAKER_03:Diego Pavia was very good.
SPEAKER_00:And Love, Jeremiah Love being at three.
SPEAKER_03:That was crazy.
SPEAKER_00:And again, Jeremiah Love did not deserve to be in the Heisman conversation because guess what? If old boy Flash year didn't win it, and that would have been why am I forgetting the running back's name for the Genty. Yeah, if Ash and Genty did not win the Heisman last year, Genty had way better. Genty should have won. Way better stats last year. He should have won. So I'm saying it's it would have been a travesty if Jerry they would have given the Heisman a Jeremiah Love this year.
SPEAKER_03:He's the linebacker, isn't he?
SPEAKER_00:Huh?
SPEAKER_03:Is he the linebacker?
SPEAKER_00:Who? No, Jeremiah Love's a running back.
SPEAKER_03:I have no fucking clue who that is.
SPEAKER_00:He's the running back from Notre Dame.
SPEAKER_03:I know the running back. He's an awesome running back. Linebacker from Tennessee was like off a perk the whole year.
SPEAKER_00:No, so is the one from Jerry from Jeremiah Love from Notre Dame, and he was very good, but he had his two worst games against the two best teams he played. And his stats were nowhere near what Ash and Jensee had last year, and Genty didn't even win the Heisman. So I don't know how, again, that's totally a separate bag of worms. I don't know how Julian Sand ended up being fourth in that scenario.
SPEAKER_03:I can understand what you're saying about the Jeremiah Smith thing. Um I think here's my negatives. Jeremiah Smith had a better quarterback.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:That's kind of it. Other than that, so many more things add to Jeremiah Smith's case. He uh is sharing touches with another with another receiver who's just as good as he is. Yeah. Uh Kyle. My bad. Another receiver of the same caliber.
SPEAKER_00:They're in the same store. Yes. They're in the same store, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:They are. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Carnell Tate is going to be a first round wide receiver, no questions asked. He's insane. He's a great receiver. Insanely good.
SPEAKER_03:Think about he probably took another maybe three to four touchdowns that would have gone to Jeremia Jeremiah Smith.
SPEAKER_00:Not just that, he had a thousand, he had a thousand close to a thousand yards himself. And he missed three games.
SPEAKER_03:He took like another four touchdowns, more yards going to Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah Smith probably got closer to 15 to 1800 yards without a guy like that there.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Um that adds Jeremiah Smith's case. Technically, USC played a harder schedule. I can't I can't give you anything else. You both played very similar teams. They technically played it a harder schedule because they're worse than you are.
SPEAKER_00:That's not true.
SPEAKER_03:Who'd they play this year?
SPEAKER_00:Um, let me go.
SPEAKER_03:Probably a lot of the same fucking teams you did.
SPEAKER_00:Hold on, I got you. Give me Oh, that's gross. They played Missouri State, Georgia Southern, Purdue, Michigan State, Illinois, Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa, Oregon, UCLA. Both Ohio State and USC, both they both play Purdue. They both play Illinois. They both played uh Northwestern.
SPEAKER_03:You didn't play Northwestern.
SPEAKER_00:We didn't? No, we didn't play Northwestern. We both played UCLA. Okay. And then you're thinking about, okay, so we're gonna throw out the three games against the non-cons that were stupid against Missouri State in Georgia Southern.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, and we'll throw out your non-conference games of Grambling and Texas.
SPEAKER_00:Texas is much better than Missouri State and Georgia Southern.
SPEAKER_03:Texas was dog shit. And Texas was close to a playoff spot. Oh, that's crazy. Man, that's insane. Am I about to watch fucking Tulane in the playoffs? Shut the fuck up about a playoff spot.
SPEAKER_00:Dang, that was actually very well. That was a very good playoff.
SPEAKER_03:Ohio. Yeah, Grambling on Ohio. Okay. Yeah. Are both dog shit teams compared to the two teams they played? But again, your conference is shit. They're playing the same conference you are. Yeah. And they had more losses. Yeah. You spit in Minnesota's face and told them to fuck off. 42 to 3. What the fuck? Dude, Ohio had more points. Minnesota's a part of your conference. This is the problem. You are a team that is too good to be in your conference. USC is perfectly adequate to be the best team in a conference. They'd be they're a great team in the Big Ten. You have been the head honcho of the Big Ten for 140 fucking years. There's no one left close to you. So they get the cadence of these games are harder on them. If you would you would have dog walked Michigan State and they beat Michigan State by a fair margin.
SPEAKER_00:45-31. Okay, fine.
SPEAKER_03:It was not that close. Let's I watched the whole game. It wasn't that close. Not once was Michigan State within a score.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Fine. I just like that. Should that be used as a negative against Jeremiah Smith, though? That's not Jeremiah Smith's fault.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm not saying it is, but it does go as a negative against him. These are children.
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03:That is a six foot three black man who's probably gonna run a fucking 4-4.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Mikhail Lemon is facing off against those same guys that Jeremiah Smith is.
SPEAKER_03:Mikhail Lemon's 5'11.
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03:All he does is fast.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he's like he's like Puckinakua. You're saying he's underachieving based off of what he is? I know, but doesn't it?
SPEAKER_03:It makes it less impressive. It's like the idea that like uh I was having this conversation with my friends about LeBron. LeBron's been doing it for so long that the things he does for like the last like five to six years, it's not as impressive because I'm I've seen it for the last 15 years.
SPEAKER_00:Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I get for what Jeremiah Smith did this year, it's underachieving for him. I know what you truly are. This is underachieving. In a way that I don't know who the fuck that dude is. Another Zay Flowers.
SPEAKER_00:I just think that it should not be used as a negative against him when they have exact when they had a very similar season. And we both, when we everybody knows who Jeremiah Smith is, everybody knows who he is. He's the best part in the college football.
SPEAKER_03:We're like, if the team's way better than you, the Barbie Shaky. Yeah. That's true to everybody else.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:For a lot of these games for USC, these games are a lot closer than they appear. They don't have a number one defense in the in the college football.
SPEAKER_00:True.
SPEAKER_03:They don't have the number one offense in college football.
SPEAKER_00:Your defense offense is not number one in college football.
SPEAKER_03:It's damn fucking close.
SPEAKER_00:It's like in the top 30.
SPEAKER_03:But what does it matter? No one's scoring more than 15 against us. My bad. 16. No one has scored.
SPEAKER_00:No, you're right.
SPEAKER_03:No one has scored more than 14 points against you.
SPEAKER_00:16. 16.
SPEAKER_03:No one has scored 14 and below. 14's been the most that has been scored against you all year.
SPEAKER_00:Pretty sure Illinois had 16.
SPEAKER_03:Illinois. Oh, my bad. In literal garbage time, they scored 16. Here, let me pull that up real quick. Because now you're making me mad.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not trying to make you mad. I'm just trying.
SPEAKER_03:It's cool, it's cool. It's cool. It's cool.
SPEAKER_00:Because this is what's going to happen, right? When you're as you're looking at that. What's going to happen here is that Jeremiah Smith's going to get disrespected, and he he tweeted out that night how he was very funny tweet about how he's gonna go he's coming after everybody. Anybody that's ever wronged him, he's gonna do it.
SPEAKER_03:They literally scored a touchdown in the last two minutes of the game and you proceeded to block their fucking field goal. Don't ever talk to me again.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, fine. I'm not okay. But that I think it when everybody thinks it's just Ohio State, they don't deserve it. They're too good. I think it takes away from all these players what they're achieving.
SPEAKER_03:And it does. And the coaches what they're achieving. The problem is your schedule's not hard.
SPEAKER_00:That's okay. Do you just want the you just want Ohio State to leave the Big Ten and go to the FCT?
SPEAKER_03:Get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_00:That's not gonna happen. Big Ten will die.
SPEAKER_03:But that's the problem. You'll never get the cadence you deserve.
SPEAKER_00:That's not true.
SPEAKER_03:You have to play fucking Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00:That's not true. Because guess what? The bar always, the goalpost always moves when it comes to Ohio State. If Ohio State overachieves, then oh, you should have done that anyway. But if they don't, it's like, oh, yo, or dog shit, you shouldn't have done that. You you should have done better.
SPEAKER_03:I will you will never get the type of credit you truly deserve, and it'll never show how good you truly are when the teams in your conference the the next best team is Oregon. And they're mid as fuck.
SPEAKER_00:I'll say this year it's Indiana, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Year and year out is probably gonna be Oregon.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, year in your house, Oregon, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then it'll be a revolving door of who's three. Yeah, you're you're not wrong. Typically it's Penn State, and Penn State hasn't beat you since 2016. And before that, I don't remember. If the if there's a if every team in your conference is going five plus years without beating you again.
SPEAKER_00:Not every team, it's Michigan. We haven't beat them in four years until this year.
SPEAKER_03:That's how Michigan State beat you.
SPEAKER_00:Michigan State, that would have been in 2015.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yeah, my nigga. It has been 11 years. When's the last time you lost to Minnesota?
SPEAKER_00:Minnesota, that would have been back in 1963.
SPEAKER_03:Like what the fuck we Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00:It'd have been like 2017. Nope. It was the Urban Meyer year. Because that was one of the years we lost that game in like hilarious fashion. And I think that was the Dwayne Haskins year. I think that was 2017. I think pretty sure that was Dwayne Haskins. I could be wrong on that when it comes to my memory of that. Was that was I right? No! Was I oh was it wrong? Who which year was that?
SPEAKER_03:Minnesota last beat you in two thousand.
SPEAKER_00:That's not true.
SPEAKER_03:Two thousand.
SPEAKER_00:Last time Minnesota beat Ohio State.
SPEAKER_03:Um Bro, they have seven total wins against you ever. They it's I'm on Minnesota's website, bro. Look at it.
SPEAKER_00:We lost, oh yeah, 2000, 2001.
SPEAKER_03:And before that, 1989.
SPEAKER_00:Dang, that's on me. I thought it was I thought he I thought Minnesota's one of those games where he lost them in the terrible fashion. Oh, it was Purdue. Yeah, it was Purdue.
SPEAKER_03:This team's been about a part of the comp they have always been a part of the conference.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I just don't know how that should be. Jeremiah Smith is easily the best col best wide receiver in college football.
SPEAKER_03:Name three players on Minnesota's team right now.
SPEAKER_00:I got nothing.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, Koi Perrich, their safety.
SPEAKER_03:Is he white?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I could tell. He should have gone to Ohio State, but he didn't want to be in a he didn't want to go to a big school.
SPEAKER_03:I do know who that is, actually.
SPEAKER_00:He's very good and he does he does he does.
SPEAKER_03:He's very, very good. He is great at multiple positions. He's very, very good. They have him on both sides of the room.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. He didn't want the bright lights for Ohio State. Hopefully he'll transfer to us one day.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Name three players from Iowa.
SPEAKER_00:I uh I got nothing.
SPEAKER_02:Name three players from Illinois.
SPEAKER_00:Um I think I remember the quarterback, but I don't remember his name.
SPEAKER_02:Name three players from Washington.
SPEAKER_00:Uh Washington, it's gonna be um it's the three. It's the quarterback, wide receiver, running back duo trio. Um it's I don't remember the name. Nebraska. Dylan Rayola, who's not gonna be there anymore. He's transferring. Funny enough. Another team he's transferring away from. Um Dylan. Um don't remember anybody else.
SPEAKER_03:Northwestern.
SPEAKER_00:Don't even ask.
SPEAKER_02:UCLA.
SPEAKER_00:Um Mateo Uyangulale. Nope, not Uyangulale. Nico Iamaliava. And don't remember anybody else.
SPEAKER_03:Rutgers. Nope. Wisconsin. Nope.
SPEAKER_00:Nope. I do have one Wisconsin player. Uh nope, tough Portland's on their coaching staff. He's coaching out house. Tackett Curtis. Linebacker. White. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Maryland.
SPEAKER_00:Washington, their ta their quarterback.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Other than that, nothing. Mary's gonna say. You know, I I can name the few that we have that you guys have that are good. Go ahead. I the obviously Marsh, wide receiver, who is transferring away from there. Yeah. We got um Chiles, the quarterback, who got benched.
SPEAKER_03:Give me one more. You can't, can you? No, I can't. Purdue. I don't. These are all teams in your conference.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Who have been a part of your conference for forever.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know nothing about them.
SPEAKER_00:I don't f no. I I see them as nameless people players. I knew some of their best players. You knew Michigan State. I knew I knew Minnesota's best player. That safety was their best player.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you mean the dude who was like, he was a five-star and he was but it's like four-star. But he was really good. And he just didn't go to your school. That's why you know him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I really wanted him back.
SPEAKER_03:These are the teams a part of your conference who have been part of the conference for a very long time. Yeah. You know jack shit about them.
SPEAKER_00:They're nameless, nameless faces. They're bodies.
SPEAKER_03:That is a body bag.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They are a that is a dead man walking.
SPEAKER_00:Best case scenario, yes, they're body bags for me.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, cool. You know what that sounds like? You're too fucking good for the rest of us.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Go join the SEC.
SPEAKER_00:That's not gonna happen. Let's just get past that part because that's not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03:But it's trying to take away from you. If you they don't have the schools don't have the athletes you do, they don't have the players you do.
SPEAKER_00:Oregon does.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. How many times do you play Oregon this year?
SPEAKER_00:Zero. You played them last year. And we'll play them next year.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Again, going to the schedule thing, it's weird because now we have too many teams in the Big Ten. So now they're doing a weird schedule where they're not gonna be able to play each other exactly every year unless it's a rivalry, and that's not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03:And that's a relief for the rest of us. It's not an auto fucking loss.
SPEAKER_00:Heck, we only play Penn State for like another three three years.
SPEAKER_03:Good, good on that.
SPEAKER_00:They ducked because Ohio State wanted them as a rival every year, and Penn State was like, nah, we're good.
SPEAKER_03:Oh wow, I'm not fucking surprised. I don't want to play you either.
SPEAKER_00:I just don't know how that.
SPEAKER_03:If the rest of us can dodge you for three years we'll have to play you again, we might make the playoffs.
SPEAKER_00:I I just think that should not take away from Jeremiah Smith or anybody else, any other player. It does. Any other player's dominance is best.
SPEAKER_03:It does. It does. It does.
SPEAKER_00:It shouldn't. It's wrong.
SPEAKER_03:If he was week in, week out going up against the same kind of athletes that he is, the only other kind of athlete, receiver-wise, is Nick Marsh in the fucking Big Ten. He is the next closest thing to him. He's the next closest thing. He has a similar size, he has a similar speed. But again, Nick Marsh was a middle four-star. That was the best receiver in his class.
SPEAKER_00:Don't disrespect him, number one player in his class.
SPEAKER_03:You see the difference? I just feel like shut the fuck up. We're not splitting hairs. The schedule is harder for USC because the teams are better compared to USC. Compared to USC, these teams are better. Like it's it's the games are harder for USC.
SPEAKER_00:It's an individual award.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Individually, Jeremiah Smith is a better player than Mikhail Lemon. He is the best wide receiver in culture ball.
SPEAKER_02:What DB did he go up against during the Minnesota game?
SPEAKER_00:Again, when we're talking about Jeremiah, we're cheating here.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:There is no one DB that can lock down Jeremiah Smith one-on-one. It's just not gonna happen. That's the type of player that he is.
SPEAKER_03:Or three-on-one or four-on-one.
SPEAKER_00:He's won against two and three-on-ones in one matchups for sure. Uh-huh. But like you just, it's again, I just feel like using that against him is not the way to go because he's just that good of a player. He deserves that award. And guess what? He's gonna go out there next year and probably get the award, and then people are gonna be mad at him for getting it. Don't fuck around. You know, it is not. No, it is not.
SPEAKER_03:The same argument last year. How good is Travis Hunter when the athletes he's going up against aren't as good as he is?
SPEAKER_00:He was in the Big 12, it's so different.
SPEAKER_03:And you're in the Big Ten. It's not fucking different. None of us are significant goddamn five-star. None of us are significant goddamn five star. None of us. You know how many five stars Michigan State has recruited in the last five fucking years?
SPEAKER_00:Zero.
SPEAKER_03:Zimmy Rimboo. Zimmy Rimboo. Big old fucking dota. And you know what's funny? We're one of the bigger schools in the Big Ten. You know how many fucking five-stars Wisconsin's gonna get? Or Minnesota?
SPEAKER_00:Tiger Curtis was a five-star.
SPEAKER_03:Who the fuck is that? I don't know who the fuck that is.
SPEAKER_00:Linebacker.
SPEAKER_03:That's great.
SPEAKER_00:He went to UFC and then transferred to Wisconsin.
SPEAKER_03:Get the fuck out of my face. Then that means he was probably a fucking four-star or a three-star transferring. We don't even get five-star transfers. Guess who does? Caleb Jones. Fuck you. Shut the fuck up. We're not splitting shit. You he has never gone up against a DB who is the same athlete he is, the same player he is, or even of the same fucking caliber of him.
SPEAKER_00:Texas. When we faced them not only last year, but this year.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, when they had to put three niggas on him.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Three motherfuckers. Real quick, they again, that is that that's and y'all still fuck he still torched them. He still fucking torched them. He did. Not the same athlete. Not equal to him. You know the athletes, the the kind of athlete he is? You know where they're fucking at?
SPEAKER_00:NFL, yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_03:They're in the ACT.
SPEAKER_00:They're not in the ACT. The ACC. They're in the ass. Oh, you're right. They're in the SCT. SCT players are ass too. We went and we faced Texas. So having to. Texas is too same Texas.
SPEAKER_03:They're trying to split hairs to fit them in because Arch is so fucking ass half the week.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not talking about Arch, you're talking about what DBs would he face. Name, name any of them niggas. None of them are going to the NFL. No, they are going, they are going to the NFL.
SPEAKER_03:None of them niggas are going to the NFL. I watched Jeremiah Smith fucking head top your ass. Stop saying Texas, they're ass. They are bad. Bad. I'm about to watch Tulane get dog walked, and I would have watched Texas get dog walked. He has never faced an athlete nearly as good as his.
SPEAKER_00:So you're telling me right now you're questioning his legitimacy.
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm not questioning his legitimacy. I'm questioning this shit's not hard for you. You have to face nobodies. These are nobodies. These are future accountants. These are future fucking uh goddamn retail workers.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, this is not that big of a that's a that's a okay, that that is a huge over overstatement.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. You're telling me one of the DBs from Minnesota is going to the NFL?
SPEAKER_00:Maybe not as a first-round pick, but as a undrafted free agent or like a guy to get onto a roster that is not outside the realm of possibilities.
SPEAKER_03:He is a top five pick.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no question, he will be. But that he's a facing he's a different animal than anybody else.
SPEAKER_03:He's facing nobody kind of athletes. It is hard to fucking gauge him. When I'm like, oh, Mikhail Lemon actually had to face some people, his quarterback was not as good. He had to put in he had to work a little bit harder to do these things. When I'm like, I won't know how I won't know what Jeremiah Smith can really do until he's getting away.
SPEAKER_00:The award, the award is given out for the best wide receiver in college football. That's this is not for the little engine that could, it is for the best wide receiver in the NFL. That is what that their stats were comparable. Yes. With Jeremiah Smith missing a game and a half because he had an injury. And you like you already said, if in his favor, he had another first-round wide receiver on the other side of him that took away from him.
SPEAKER_03:He also had a quarterback who was up for Heisman.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, fourth in the Heisman, apparently.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you're right. His quarterback would have been the Heisman winner had he had won that.
SPEAKER_00:Had they not screwed it up for him for sure.
SPEAKER_03:He would have been the Heisman winner.
SPEAKER_00:Not Jeremiah, but the coaching staff.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, cool. So you're telling me that his quarterback would have been the Heisman winner.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And was Lemon's guy even up there? No, because he had fucking 11 interceptions, 28 touchdowns, and like a 55 completion percentage. He was mid as fuck. You face nobody. We are nobody too. You don't have to see actual football until you get to the playoffs. We can all agree. You face nobody's all year and then bitch you didn't get the award.
SPEAKER_00:After I'm not bitching on my behalf, I'm bitching on his behalf. Because it's just what he deserves.
SPEAKER_03:When we bitch about the SEC schedule, they're playing a random ass motherfucker. No, for sure. You would have scored just as many points as you were playing fucking Citadel. You could have swapped Minnesota for anybody of the F of the S uh what are we FCS? FBS. Well you could have thrown an FCS school in there, and it would have been the same fucking thing. It would have been the same fucking thing.
SPEAKER_00:It's crazy how I had you on my side for a little bit, and then the longer the more you went down the road.
SPEAKER_03:I can't stand I hate Ohio State still being the Big Ten. I pisses me the fuck off. How can you have everything and still bitch about it?
SPEAKER_00:I'm not bitch. I'm bitching on Jeremiah's behalf. He deserves that individual award because of what he did. What he has done. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not gonna see the award. It's not gonna be on me.
SPEAKER_03:As long as your team doesn't truly fuck up, you're going to the playoffs. You have a chance to announce a championship every year. You are bitching about an award at the end of the day will mean nothing to Jeremiah Smith. No, it does matter to him.
SPEAKER_00:I think it does.
SPEAKER_03:He already has one, don't he?
SPEAKER_00:No. They don't like giving him to Ohio State wide receivers. Like they had it like they screwed Marv out of one one year when he was clearly the best wide receiver. Like you already said, like you you knew that was the case.
SPEAKER_03:You know what Mikhail Lumber's about to do in a few weeks?
unknown:Go.
SPEAKER_00:He's gonna get a bunch of money to stay at USC and play there another year. He's gonna have an opportunity to go scorch scorched earth on everybody else in the playoff, for sure. With millions of millions of people. And he's gonna use that as a he's gonna use that as a big chip on his shoulder to go out there and destroy everybody. Yeah, for sure. I'm just saying that that part plays into my hands because I want him to go scorched earth. I'm just saying he does I'm just saying he deserves that everything in the world. He deserves that award. I don't recap. He has everything in the world. Not me.
unknown:Whatever.
SPEAKER_00:Not anybody. He has that little world in title and he deserves that award because it's it is it is what it is.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, Brady. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever.
SPEAKER_00:I will say the we'll get out the Jeremiah Smith thing. They did because they gave they gave um Caleb Downs the award for the best for the best uh D DB in the country. And then people bitched because he didn't have enough stats. So it goes both ways. Whether you have it based off your name or which player you are, you don't, people are gonna have it either way. But the thing is when it comes to Caleb Downs by comparison, is because Ohio State had so many three and outs throughout the year, they don't even have enough time to occur stats, like to really build up stats in the same way that other other teams do and other players do, because they actually their defense actually has to work harder to you know stop real sustained drives in a way that Ohio State had this year because Ohio State's defense was so good. But I was like in and in on Caleb Downs when it comes to Caleb Downs, in the same way it should be for Jeremiah Smith, there was no question as to who was the best DB in the country when the when they're playing and when they're healthy. It's it's Caleb Downs and it's Jeremiah Smith. I just wanted Jeremiah Smith to get that same sort of credit, but apparently Jace has talked himself off the ledge to where he was not even on my side anymore. I didn't think it was gonna go this way. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not terribly surprised, but I am a little I'm a little I am a little bit surprised by it. Okay. I I it got so bad when you were just you you were the only part I was mad about is when you quit and you compared him to uh to Travis Hunter. Like we it's a much different conversation. Much different conversations.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna tweak. Shut the fuck up.
SPEAKER_00:Alright. Alright, we have nothing else to Coswhipple. Let's we have the Coswell games coming, the first round of the Coswell playoffs coming up this weekend. But we will do our game previews of that on Friday when we do our next pod, along with the previews of the NFL for week 16. So let's go ahead and get to the NFL. Let's just get to the games and we'll talk about the other injuries and stuff as we go. So let's get to scores here. Alright. Let's go through the games as we go and talk about the games as as uh as they come up. First one, Cleveland at Chicago. Bears win the game 31 to 31 to 3. Game wasn't close. I will have to say that K this might be the first game of Caleb's where I'm like, maybe there's a chance he's really figuring it out when it comes to like he's still very inconsistent. It's up and down. But when I watched him in this game against a very good Cleveland Browns defense, I'm not gonna say like all-time good, because I think but Cleveland is easily in like the top five defenses in all the NFL. Caleb went out there and he shined in a very good way. 17 to 28, 242, two touchdowns, zero picks. He did what he had to do. He did you see the one throw he made to um to DJ Moore in the back of the end zone through two different DBs from um from Cleveland. The the ball should have literally should have been picked, and he just put it literally in the perfect spot where neither of them can get to it, and DJ Moore got it. Um so like when Caleb Williams does stuff like that, it's like, oh, that is what people were were talking about when they were promising he was going to be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL when he got drafted. But it has kind of been a little bit of a struggle up to this point, but with him with Ben Johnson, you could just tell Ben Johnson is really like ironing some things out for him and making things easier. And you can tell, and credit to him, because I'm not the first one to give credit to Caleb Williams. I've been more of like a pessimist when it comes to him throughout his NFL career so far. Maybe it's because of how much hype he got coming out of college and all of that. But he's done what he's had to do. He's gotten better. Will he have to be more consistent? Yeah, for sure, but I think that's only something you can prove over time. But when you have a game like he had, that like that's a game Chicago usually loses. Game you can start to have a little bit of um a little bit of expectations. You go out there against a team you definitely should beat, and then they don't do so. But Caleb went out there, played very good football. They ran the football well. DeAndre Swift had 98 yards, two touchdowns, and he went out there and balled out, and it was a very good game. I think we do have to have a little bit of this conversation. I do have to put maybe put my foot in my mouth in this scenario. It's not about Shador. Shador was ass. He went 18 of 35, 177, zero touchdowns, three picks. He was awful. It was not good, and the Brown and the Bears' defense is not great. Like, they're fine.
SPEAKER_03:It's serviceable.
SPEAKER_00:It's serviceable, but it is not an awesome defense that you're like guaranteed to be bad with. I will have to eat it when it comes to our my favorite player, not really, Miles Garrett. He's two sacks off of having the having the record all to himself. Not tying, he's two sacks off. He's at 21 and a half right now. He's gonna break the record. He's going to he's gonna he's gonna destroy the record. He's probably gonna have a few sacks over.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, they play the Bengals week 17. That nigga's about to destroy the fucking record. And I could go no he'd go sackless the rest of the season. Week 17, he's in Cincinnati. No question. He's about to fucking dog us.
SPEAKER_00:No question. It doesn't, he's gonna get it. And this is what I'll have to give him. In the days where TJ Watt and him were both healthy, and TJ Watt was outplaying him, but people were still giving Miles Garrett all that credit. I had a real gripe. Okay. But over the last last year and this year, TJ Watt, age is starting to get to him, injuries are starting to get to him, he's definitely taking a dip, and Miles Garrett is sitting there in his athletic prime. He's right there at 30 years old. He's doing awesome. Is he feasting off a lot of bad teams? Because they have a very bad when it comes to their schedule. They're playing the worst teams on like they're playing a fourth place in the AFC North schedule every year. So is he feasting a little bit? Yeah, for sure. He's having these games where you're having three, four, five sacks in multiple games. He is feasting off of bad offensive lines. But I just think to a certain degree, we have to give him the credit that he's doing what he's doing right now. And that includes me having to say the statement that I hate to say right now, that he is the best defensive end in the NFL right now. No questions asked. It's made a little easier by the fact that all the other dudes either play for a sucky team or are a little bit older and injured, or, you know, just tour an ACL. That's also that's also another big one that's happened over this past weekend. So Miles Garrett, give him all the flowers in the world. Even though he's playing with the Browns and he's, you know, a little bit, he's one of those he he antagonizes Steeler fans when he does the things he's done over the past. He knows that. He's never apologized for it, but he's also also looking for people to feel bad for him to, which I don't like how he plays both sides. But you know, it is what it is. But all in all, having a very an awesome season, one to remember for a long time. And at the rate he's going at, he's probably gonna break that record by two, three, four sacks, and it's probably gonna be almost close to impossible to get based on how the rules are going and all of that. So absolutely amazing for him. Uh, he'll own the record book and uh that it'll it'll go how it goes on that. I'm just lucky that DJ Watt's gonna be close to this to the top of that when people go to look up that um the record books for years to come. That's all I gotta say. Um, but yeah. Um let's see. We already said Shador was bad. So here's the thing. If they have a top, if the Browns have a top five, like a top ten pick, top five pick.
SPEAKER_02:Is there a quarterback worth taking?
SPEAKER_00:Do can they afford not to take a quarterback?
SPEAKER_02:Kinda.
SPEAKER_00:Do you you really think so?
SPEAKER_02:Shut the fuck up.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not talking about this video. You don't like your doors as much as you can already.
SPEAKER_00:So you so you'd be willing. I'm asking you for your answer.
unknown:I think it's fine.
SPEAKER_00:You would just you would forego taking a quarterback unless there's one you fall in love with.
SPEAKER_03:There's no quarterbacks that are good enough to fall in love with at all.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. I think the only guy that I would think of is like maybe like Dante Moore, the guy at Oregon. But there's no guarantee he's even coming back. He's even either even coming to the NFL. But oh, Arch, by the way, they said his dad told ESPN that he was going to be going back to school, which I'm not surprised about. Because I think he needs another year of kind of like figuring it out. And I think he did start to f start to figure it out by the end of the season for Texas this year. No, probably obviously not enough, but I'm saying you could you could start to see like if he really does figure it out and get some things squared away. He can be that talent that people were think saying he was before this last season started. That's all I'm saying. Um next game Ravens, Bengals. Ravens 24, Bengals nothing. Burrow had probably his worst outing he's had in a very long time, at least in his LFL career. I don't think he's had a game this bad.
SPEAKER_03:This is probably his worst outing as a professional.
SPEAKER_00:No, I totally agree with that. No, for sure. Like again, maybe like maybe his first year at LSU when he was very bad. Then that's probably the last time that he had an outing this bad. 25 of 39, 225, zero touchdowns, two picks. And those picks were not pretty.
SPEAKER_03:One was a tip pass from Jamar.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, it hit Jamar's hands, then popped right out, and then got it.
SPEAKER_03:It wasn't a great throwing ball, though.
SPEAKER_00:It was high, right? It was like another high ball.
SPEAKER_03:But it did legit hit both of Jamar's hands and just fly up to Kyle Van Noy.
SPEAKER_00:And he was getting pressured on the other one, and he like just threw a duck up there. And then old boy Kyle Van Nooy grabbed it, handed it off to another Ravens defensive player that took it all the way back to the house, which is a very selfless play right there. Because I'm like, I don't even think Calvin, I think Kyle Van Noy gets credit for this pick, but he doesn't get credit for the pick six. So the fact that he was like, hey, there's a fast dude coming from behind me that's going at top speed. Let me just go ahead and hand it off to him so he can take it all the way back to the house. But on the other, like Joe Burrow having a bad game, you like you mentioned when we talked about the game the other day, it was like when Jamar Chase has to come out after this game and talk about how he has to be one, be the one to try to help pick Joe Burrow up because of how he's been not necessarily right ever since he came back, and it's the first time that's ever happened when hip with him and Joe Burrow have been together ever since they were at LSU together. I think it is it is a it is a bad time. But here's the thing I'm not for certain that this is because of Joe Burrow having doubts within himself. I think all the doubts and all the downside that Joe Burrow's having right now is because of the team. And because he feels like that the team should be in a different place than where they're at right now, I'm not saying because obviously he has to own a little bit of that when it comes to the injuries that he's had and like some of his bad play as of recently. But still, I just think it does come to a point where Joe Burrow has to be like, hey, we like we we have to change some real things here. Because think about it this way if the Chiefs, as much success as they have had over the last five, ten years, have started to get to a point where things are getting stale and Joe and Patrick Mahomes was starting to carry too much of the burden and it went badly for them, like, what the hell are the Bengals doing? Same exact stuff with same exact issues without any of the success that the Kansas City Chiefs have had to make them think, like, oh, this is going well. So Joe Barrow had a bad outing. I'm not gonna say like people are freaking out talking about whether he's gonna retire or not. I don't think we're there as of yet. I just think he wants the situation to improve. And I feel like if it comes down to it, if the Bengals aren't willing to do that for him, do that for the team, he's gonna be he's gonna take necessary steps to either change the situation or he's gonna get out altogether. But still, I'm not gonna I don't want to harp too much of the Bengals on this because again, their season is over. It's pretty I even in like the worst moments where Jay we got a little bit excited because Joe Burrow played very well that first game against the Ravens, it was gonna be very unlikely they got to the playoffs. It was gonna be very unlikely they made any real big moves if they got to the playoffs because of the teams that they would have to face once they got there. But I just think, like you said, the best case scenario is for them to keep losing games, get some real draft picks, and make good draft picks to help their team out. Because that's what they need. They need defensive help, they need offensive line help, they just need help all around, and they need a good another running back, would probably be nice. So, like they have a lot of things they need to fix on this roster, and if they do that, I think Joe Burrow's attitude will change very fast as long as there's some on-field success to look forward to. And I think that's all this is. And on the Ravens side, I don't I think this is probably the best all-around game we have seen from the Baltimore Ravens all year long. Lamar was fine. He was 8 of 12 for 150 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. That's a real Jalen Hurts stat line right there. Not gonna lie to you, but I think Lamar has not really been right over the last month, ever since he came back from the initial injury that he had. And that did not, I don't really think that changed my mind with the performance he put out against that Bengals defense, who, let's be honest, is has not been great. He was mid. He wasn't good, but guess what? He made enough throws for them to win this game.
SPEAKER_03:He really didn't. It was most of their defense.
SPEAKER_00:Their defense made a lot of plays and it made it a lot easier. Derrick Henry had 100 yards. Um, their secondary running back, Keaton Mitchell, had 66 yards off eight carries. Lamar only ran the ball twice for 26 yards. So the Ravens did what they had to do. They're 7-7, they're a game behind Pittsburgh now based on how the weekend has played out. And what the Ravens need to do over the next three games to w is win more games in Pittsburgh or at least tie them up until them and the Steelers play each other in the last week of the season, and maybe get to the playoffs and we'll see what they figure out from there. Probably nothing. Probably not, but I will say that they like the Ravens as bad as it as it has looked, this game against a Bengals team that is not great, they're 4-10, but there were times the Ravens looked like a team that couldn't beat the worst team in the NFL, let alone a 4-10 Bengals team. Next game, Chargers Chiefs, Chargers win the game 16-13. This game was a really big defensive battle. Both teams were trying to get up and down the field. I think both quarterbacks was dealing with a lot of pressure. Herbert, 19-29, 210 yards, one touchdown, one pick. He got sacked four times. Wasn't great. Um, he was he was fine. It was not great. It wasn't like he was out there throwing pretty balls over the place, but they were playing at Kansas City. It was very cold. It is what it is. It wasn't necessarily built for quarterbacks to go out there and play pretty football. But I will give Justin Herbert the credit that he did go out there and make the plays he needed to make in order for them to win that game. It like Gadson, their tight end, was their leading receiver. Trey Harris had 49 yards, Keenan Allen, five catches, 36 yards, Lam McConk he had a couple catches. The touchdown pass that he had was to Keandre Lambert Smith, a rookie wide receiver who is the, I think, the nephew of some some very big NFL player. But it was a very good game, especially by the Chargers defense to go out there and play the way they did. Kansas City, we'll get to their side of things. Patrick Mahomes, 16 of 28, 189 yards, zero touchdowns, and a pick. Didn't wasn't playing great. He was getting pressured a lot. He got sacked five times in this game. They were missing like three or four starters from their offensive line. Another game where I think their offensive line has been their issue all year long. It has not been really pretty. It doesn't help they don't have any fucking weapons either. True. I think none of their weapons can really get open. I think their offense was has this year, I think last year too, has been so predicated on hey, Patrick, go out there and extend plays and find the open guy. Because none of these dudes, even Travis Kelsey to a certain extent, they're washed. I'm not gonna say washed, because he has put up good numbers this year, but he has been has had a lot of drops yet. He's had the dropsys this year for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Dropsies. Oh, let me hand this ball straight to the defender. Uh I yeah, no, you're not you're not wrong on that.
SPEAKER_00:But none of the wide receivers are getting up. Rasheed Rice has been a crash test on me over the last couple weeks because he's been getting hit so much. Because they keep throwing the ball to him in short yardage, and then guess what? Every linebacker and safety are waiting for him to get the ball, and they're coming up to destroy him. And he's been taking a lot of hits, and it has not been pretty. And none of these dudes are getting open, and it's really predicated, like I said, predicated off of Patrick, extend the play, either run or get the ball out to the open guy when that happens, and it's it's been a little too much. And it came to be so too much in this game where they were, I think they were going down the field the very last drive that they had, and Mahomes is trying to get away from defender, defender got him. Mahomes stretch um steps awkwardly, knee goes, he goes down, turns out to be a torn ACL, LCL, he's out for the rest of the season. There's probably someone next season. Probably someone next season. They're saying that he might be nine months, it'll be perfectly to the first week of the NFL season. But like that's fast tracking it. Why would you even do why would you even do that?
SPEAKER_01:But again, back middle of the season, say fuck the year.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's one of those things where Mahomes' gonna want to say, hey, I want to come back and play. Same way that Barrow did it, and nobody was gonna tell Barrow no, and I don't think anybody's gonna tell Patch Mahomes no either. True, probably. And nobody's gonna tell Patch Mahomes that when they come back, because guess what? They want their number one ticket to face the NFL to come back and play. So it was a very bad injury for him to have. Honestly, it's been kind of building up over the last year because he's taken so many hits. But again, nobody's gonna sit here and say that a torn ACL and LCL is one of those that it's not like a calf injury where it's like obvious, hey, you have a strained calf, and then it turns into a uh a torn Achilles. So it's not necessarily that direct of a correlation, but it was it was an injury that happened. It's gonna mess up Kansas City for a while. I think this might lead to them having to redo what they're doing right now. I think they're gonna have a lot of big ticket players that are on their roster probably have to get rid of. They've always been a very good drafting team. I think they've been sitting on their laurels a little too much, and some of their draft picks haven't gone as well over the last couple years they've drafted. So they're probably gonna have to let a few guys walk in this coming upcoming offseason. Know that Patrick Mahomes may or may not be able to come back week one starting of next year. I think Andy Reid a little bit when it comes to because we all know how good of an offensive coordinator that he is slash head coach. I think that offense is a little bit stale. And again, partially some of that could possibly just be because the wide receivers can't open get open, but I think for the most part, a lot of teams know what Kansas City's trying to do, and I feel like it's made a lot easier, even with Mahomes extending plays and stuff like that. It's made the job on him a lot harder. So I do think maybe they can get a little bit of a I'm not saying get rid of Andy Reid by any means, but I'm saying maybe if they can get because I think somebody I have heard on a different podcast make this point, is that their offense looked the best that it did when they had the um the one guy as their offensive coordinator. I think it was why am I forgetting his name? Eric Bieneme, the offensive coordinator that nobody wanted to give a head coaching job to, and then he went and took the offensive coordinator job at UCLA, didn't work out well, and then he's been coaching, I think, line like quarterback, something like that in the NFL for the last couple years. So like their best offense they had was when they had a different guy, at least be able to be a different voice in the room, other than just Andy Reid. And then they ever since he left and they haven't really gotten anybody else in there to kind of like be able to switch up the offense a little bit, it's kind of been very Andy Reid based, and I think it's gotten stale. So I think if they just get some more guys in there when it comes to wide receivers, maybe some more defensive players that'll be a young infusion and maybe be become the next pillars of this Kansas City Chiefs team. Because think about the what what the Patriots did over 20 years when Tom Brady was there, they changed up their team multiple times over. The only two constants of that team were Belichick, Tom Brady, and Gronk. That's fucking it. Everybody else, they were switching out, they were switching out like old underwear. And again, that was a little bit of the shrewdness of of um of Bill Belichick, but it worked for so many years until it stopped working for Tom Brady because he needed a little bit more high-tiered talent around him offensively in order to make keep him being successful. But like for 20 years, man, for most of those 20 years, it was them kind of just keep changing people around in order to kind of re kind of like reinvent themselves every single time. And I think the Kansas City Chiefs are gonna have to do that now if they want to stay on their Patriots like trajectory of being the next Death Star of the NFL, and not just having these last seven years be a blip on like, hey, remember when the NFL was dominated by the Kansas City Chiefs for those seven years? If they want that to be a longer-term type of thing, they're gonna have to reinvent themselves and hope that Patrick Mahomes can come back from this injury. Because we haven't seen what Patrick Mahomes looks like when he is like only a pocket guy. For his whole career, he has been a guy that can extend plays, run when he needs to. It's not like he's been out here like Lamar Jackson, where he's like running all the time. But he really does predicate himself, like his game, off of his creativity and him extending plays. But if he can't come back and he's not the same player when it comes to getting again, he was never the fastest in the first place. But if he doesn't have that little extra gear that he had before coming off that knee injury, because he's 30 years old, it's not like he's like 24. Like, I feel like that's a lot different of a timetable when it comes to returning from an injury like this. So, like, what happens if he becomes a Pastor Mahomes that is a lot more, hey, I am stuck in the pocket, I'm not going anywhere. Will he be able to make that next transformation of himself to be more of just a just a pocket type of guy and be able to keep doing pulling off the magic that he has over the last seven years or so? I think that is a big question that they're gonna have to answer, that he's gonna have to answer over the next couple years once he comes up back from this injury. Um, but I will say Chiefs no longer in the playoffs. We get to have one playoff run without having to worry about the Chiefs being in the Super Bowl again. That's good for us. Again, I never wanted to be with the backdrop of Patch Mahomes going down with such a gruesome injury. I don't nobody really wants that. If you do, you're an asshole and you don't deserve to be a sports fan. But I will say that the Chiefs not being in the playoffs, I think a lot of people are rejoicing by the idea that at least maybe their team has a shot in the AFC to go do something in the playoffs because there is no King Kong that everybody has to deal with, and like we probably aren't gonna beat that. But that's it. Congrats to the Chargers. Chiefs, they're gonna have to take a little bit of a rest here. Hopefully, for them, they'll come back stronger. I hope I hope not, because I don't want them to come back and be doing what they're doing over the last seven years, but you know, it is what it is. Next game, Commanders Giants. Commanders win the game 29-21. They Jackson Dart did come back and play in this game. He played very well. 20 of 36, 246, two touchdowns, and a pick. They ran the football very well. They had 146 yards total rushing in this game. Tyrone Tracy was like the player of this game. They didn't they didn't win, but he had a very awesome game. 15 carries, 70 yards, and a touchdown. And then he also had a touchdown catch. That touchdown catch is kind of awesome, but he was a former wide receiver. Not necessarily as impressive when you know that, but again, it was. He's been mostly a running back for them. But it was Washington led by um Marcus Mariota, 10 of 19, 211 yards, one touchdown, zero picks. Didn't make the bad mistakes that that um that screwed over the Washington team. They ran the football for 145 total yards in this game. Um Krosky Merritt was the leading rusher with 96 yards and a touchdown. Terry McLaurin, three catches, 69 yards, and a touchdown. He came out and had a great game again against a very bad New York Giants secondary. He was going to eat them all day long. Um the fact that he only had three catches and 69 yards in this game was kind of a miracle because that secondary for the Giants is absolutely awful. But it was a very good game by Washington. They're 4-10 now, they're done for the season. Obviously, their season is over, but they've already um said that Jaden Daniels is gonna be gone for the rest of the season. They're not letting him come back. He should have never came back in the first place. Coming off of that elbow injury, he should have stayed done for the year. Their season wasn't going anywhere, they let him come back anyway. He re-aggravated the injury, and who knows what long-term effects that's gonna have potentially. I don't think so. But again, they were fucking around. You might find out if you keep if you play with fire a little too much. He shouldn't have been back out there. It doesn't make any sense. And if anything, it only helps you because you can go have a very good pick in the draft to help out your player, maybe get you a defensive guy that maybe can be a real pillar on the defensive side of the ball because your offense has all the talent right now. You probably need some defensive guys to help you out because their defense is absolutely atrocious. But yeah, good good win for the commanders though. Next game, Eagles Raiders. Eagles won the game 31 to 31 to zero. This is the most like dominant game from start to finish. The Raiders have been dog shit all year long. Kenny Pickett, 15 to 25, 64 yards. That's what we thought the Raiders. Yeah, Kenny Pickett, because uh Gino got hurt last game and then wasn't able to play for this game. But Kenny Pickett was awful. Four 64 yards, zero touchdowns, and a pick.
SPEAKER_03:Ooh, that was better than Gino.
SPEAKER_00:Um Genty, nine carriers, 35 yards. Oh, also had four catches for seven yards. Again, I I've been making it a bit of me making fun of Ash and Genty, but I think I have to throw this out there. I don't think he as a player is total ass.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think he's been set up to succeed.
SPEAKER_00:He's not the Saquon Barkley that everybody was trying to make him out to be.
SPEAKER_03:I think he's very, very good. I think you put him behind a battle line, a bad organization, and you picked him too high.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. He was too high. They thought they were gonna be a team that can start off running with a brand new head coach, obviously being um, why am I forgetting his name? Pete Carroll, who was a winning coach. They put the cart before the horse.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You threw a big card.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry, they put the horse before the cart. Oh, the cart the horse does go before the cart.
SPEAKER_01:You said it right the first time, buddy.
SPEAKER_00:But um, I was saying Genty's the horse. I was trying to make him be he's the work horse back. I tried. It was a bad, it was a bad.
SPEAKER_03:But I just think I think he could be a workhorse back. I think your O-line is so unbelievably dog shit. Yeah. And your team, they everyone knows you can't throw the football. Yeah. No doubt. Hey, we're just gonna load the box.
SPEAKER_00:To anybody, sorry, to anybody other than Brock Bowers. Have to add that caveat.
SPEAKER_03:Eventually, Gino's gonna sail that bitch straight to the safety behind Brock Bowers.
SPEAKER_00:No doubt. And they're gonna keep giving him more, like, they're just gonna double and triple team him and make you throw to somebody else.
SPEAKER_03:Or there's no one to throw it to now, and now you have to run the ball.
SPEAKER_00:Or throw it to Ash and Gentee, which has not gone well either.
SPEAKER_03:So again, this dog shit organization made a dog shit decision by picking up a running back that honestly way too fucking high of a pick.
SPEAKER_00:Way too high. And I just think the only running backs that would have been picked this high that would have been able to do something with this offensive line is like the likes of Saquon Barkley and Christian McCaffrey. Like, those are the dudes that. Can do something with a shitty offensive line.
SPEAKER_03:Because we've seen them do something with shitty offensive lines. And they're like the other worldly creatures. No one is doing this. I can name there's legit two running backs in the NFL. I can name it. Probably do something with his own line.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And one of them's Saquon, and the other one's CMC. But they can do so much more outside of just running the football in a way that like Ash and Genty was set up to fail.
SPEAKER_00:And there's just there's star power with them that I was only thinking Ash and Genty has.
SPEAKER_03:No, I think he's good. I think he's a thousand yard back.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Guaranteed every year. Maybe he'll give you a couple like boom seasons where maybe he may get 1,200 yards, 1,300 yards. I think he's a good running back.
SPEAKER_00:But you needed an alien at running back in order to with this situation.
SPEAKER_03:To pick him at nine.
SPEAKER_00:And think he was going to start off running and be awesome from the get-go.
SPEAKER_03:Your O-line is bad.
SPEAKER_00:And shitty quarterback play, by the way.
SPEAKER_03:Shitty quarterback play.
SPEAKER_00:That's the other problem is no wide receivers, all of it. It's been it's all been terrible.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, this was just a it he is not a himself was not a bad pick. Right. The pick should not have been a running back. The situation was terrible. It should have been a receiver, a DB, a O-line man, a quarterback. Defensive lineman in this last year's draft. There was no one to take.
SPEAKER_00:In the oh how that draft went? Oh no, probably not, because they were they had their they had their hopes set on um on this last draft? You're right. There was nobody. Yeah, there was nobody in this last year's draft.
SPEAKER_03:It was Ward. Again.
SPEAKER_00:It was Ward and then nobody.
SPEAKER_03:Y'all never once took Shador, it was crazy to me.
SPEAKER_00:Um That was a team people were hoping that would pick him up.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Of Shador was there for four more rounds, and y'all never once took him.
SPEAKER_00:They did pay Gino like 90 million dollars.
SPEAKER_03:You mean they were robbed?
SPEAKER_00:They did rob them, but they gave it to him willingly. Like dumbassists they gave it to him willingly.
SPEAKER_03:But again, y'all still could have picked him in the fifth round.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, you they easily could have picked him up. That's the thing. The only thing that's the thing with Chador. Everybody just didn't want him to be a loud backup. Nobody wants a backup that's more famous than your starter.
unknown:That's true.
SPEAKER_00:That's it. That's like the main thing in the NFL. They want a backup that is not that's gonna show up to work, punch their ticket, and that's it. Cam Newton. That's why Cam Newton ended his career as soon as he did, because he was, no matter what team he went to, after he wasn't a starter with the he was too loud. Not necessarily that he was loud, it's just he's too talented. Once he shows up on your roster, everybody's like, as soon as your quarterback struggles, hey, why ain't that dude 6'4, 250 pounds that can throw the football a mile, why isn't he playing? Like, that's it. Like, so that that's the thing. And again, that there's some how they do it with comes to talent, which is what Cam Newton, and then Stor, he's gonna make a few comments every once in a while that's gonna make you like, oh, why isn't he our starter? So it's like that's like the main thing. They just don't, not to mention his father, which hasn't turned out to be a big issue, but that but um Dion has been dealing with his own health issues, so who knows what it would have been if Dion has been able to focus on everything the way he usually is. Who knows what that could have been, but he's been dealing with his own thing. But you know, it's just the like you said, the Raiders, there's they should have been picked up Shador at some point. And uh, but no, they're stuck with Kenny Pickett right now. Um but the Eagles did get it figured out, at least for the again, can you really give the Eagles any credit for winning this game? Probably not because of how ass the Raiders are.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy. They didn't pick up a quarterback pick at all. They didn't, no like anybody. Will Howard was a seventh or sixth round pick?
SPEAKER_00:Will Howard seventh round pick?
SPEAKER_03:What the fuck? Yeah, that is your that is a prototypical quarterback.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:My bad. Now I'm thinking God damn, I've never seen a team make such shitty decisions. You needed a quarterback.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Gino was never Gino was 35.
SPEAKER_00:Gino's never gonna be a long-term solution.
SPEAKER_03:It was never a permanent fix. You should have had at least something.
SPEAKER_00:No, they didn't do it. They just said, hey, we're gonna trade for Kenny Pickett, and then uh that's about it for us. That's all they needed. Again, there was no way they were gonna think Gino's gonna be as ass as he's been this year, but because he's been all he's been told again, you've never been a Gino believer at all.
SPEAKER_03:And I was right. You were right. Real quick, it didn't even take long to prove me right. Yeah, but you nigga immediately went out there, threw three interceptions in the first game, and no touchdowns.
SPEAKER_00:Let's be honest, he you were so right. You couldn't even thought you were gonna be this right.
SPEAKER_03:No, I knew I was gonna be right. Everyone was like, oh, they're so good. And I'm like, no, he does a lot of picks. And his team's really good, and JSN's really good, and Tyler Lockett's really good, and DK Matcalf's really good, and he had two really good running backs, and he had a pretty good old line and a great deal.
SPEAKER_00:That is true, that is true. Well, he was coming from a very good situation.
SPEAKER_03:Stacked team. He was no defense, great receivers, good old line. Shake my hands. Great res great running back.
SPEAKER_00:Shake my hand, that's a very good take.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm just saying, with all those great things, this nigga's two through 15 interceptions.
SPEAKER_00:That is true.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no. And then was also the cause and catalyst for them losing certain games. And I told you all this, and you're like, no, I think we'll be fine. I'm like, okay. The Raiders are a dog shit team. They are a dog shit organization.
SPEAKER_00:They are.
SPEAKER_03:Um, which is I'm just saying, if anybody wants to go through Gino's track record, which is why he didn't do good when he got drafted on the Jets. Dog shit organization, yeah. Nothing around him. Yeah. You're not wrong. Playing like dog shit. Now he just turned out to be not that good anyway. Um, great organization, everything around him, and he's eh.
SPEAKER_00:He was not gonna he lost you football games, but he wasn't necessarily he was a okay quarterback in a very good situation.
unknown:For sure.
SPEAKER_03:Sam Darnold looks like a god.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but even Sam Darnold has the ass moments and the worst times.
SPEAKER_03:True. Sam Darnold's not gonna be the whole reason you're gonna lose this regular season game.
SPEAKER_00:In the playoffs, he has yet to be seen.
SPEAKER_03:Regular season game, he's not the reason you're gonna lose this game. And he can lead you to victory in a way that Gino, I'm like, fuck, this dude's gonna throw a pick. No, you're not wrong. Of I'm just waiting for one to happen. With Sam Darnold, he Sam Donald can throw the ball out of the fucking ball. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He talent, it's a totally different stratosphere.
SPEAKER_03:His arm is elite. It's can he deal with the presser?
SPEAKER_00:It's in between the ears, man. It's all in his head.
SPEAKER_03:It is. You know, honesty. Up here is fine. Is as soon as there's somebody running at him, everything goes to shit.
SPEAKER_00:Everything's out the window. Everything goes to shit.
SPEAKER_03:That ball is now up for grabs. Yeah. Because he is throwing it in a harm's way.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I don't even know why. I'm like, just throw the bitch out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, just throw it away. That's all you have to do. But again, when he does calm down and he has a good receiver to throw to, he's he's inside, he's insanely good. Jalen, 12 of 15, 175, three touchdowns, zero picks. I swear, when this dude doesn't have to throw the lot, he's always very good. But it's just, can they figure that out on a week in, week out basis? Is probably not how that's going to go. Uh Saquon, 22 carries, 78 yards, and a touchdown, had a big game. Dallas Goddard at two touchdowns, six catches, 70 yards. Devontae Smith at 50 yards off two catches. AJ Brown, two catches, 41 yards, and a touchdown. He really needed that touchdown because he wasn't doing shit. And then he finally got the touchdown. I'm like, okay, at least they can breathe a little bit. Because if AJ Brown hadn't done shit in this game and they blew out the um the Raiders, you would have heard from him. With no doubt, no doubt about it. But Eagles, they're 9-5. The Cowboys lost. We'll talk about that here in a bit. So the Eagles, I think they're going to win the division without much of an issue.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my fucking God.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there.
SPEAKER_03:I watched this nigga gritty to the end zone and dead ass.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my fucking God. I've never laughed so hard watching a game.
SPEAKER_00:Insane. Insane. Uh Jags Jets. Jags won the game 48 to 20. Trevor Lawrence might be figuring it out. He went 20 of 30 again against a very bad Jets team. 20 of 32, 330 yards, five touchdown passes. Also had five carries, 51 yards, and a touchdown. So he had a very good game. He was awesome. He did everything he had to do. They're getting the ball to Travis Etienne. He had three touchdowns in this game, three catches, 73 yards, three touchdowns. Brian Thomas Jr. had a touchdown catch. Bashal Tutin had a touchdown catch. Again, it was a very bad Jets team that had Bree Cook as their starting quarterback for this game. 22 of 33 for 176, one touchdown and three picks. So Jets never had a true shot to win this football game at all. But again, you have to give the Jaguars credit for going out there against a team that is obviously a lesser talent, lesser team than you, and they went out and took care of business, did what they had to do. Next game, Texans Cardinals. Texans win the game 40 to 20. Texans might be the scariest team in the AFC if they keep going at this rate. CJ is starting to figure things out. That offense is starting to figure things out. CJ went 22 of 29, 260 yards, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. And the Cardinals are not a terrible team. They have a terrible record, but they are not a terrible football team. And their defense is a team that's going to at least give you a strong out. But the Texans did everything they wanted to do in this game. They ran the football for 143 yards in this game. Nico Collins, three catches, 85 yards, two touchdowns. Dalton Schultz, eight catches, 76 yards, and a touchdown. And if that offense can just get even to a point where they can just be consistent and score points and get touchdowns instead of field, just most of the time. Not even saying all the time. If they could just get more touchdowns and field goals, Texans, like coming into this, coming into this uh playoffs, what are the quarterbacks you're gonna have to deal with? Josh Allen, and then who the fuck else? In old Aaron Rodgers, you're gonna have to deal with uh Bo Nicks, like the quarterbacks you have to deal with, there's nobody that's gonna like destroy you, maybe other than Josh Allen figuring it out. But guess what? Josh Allen's had trouble with this defense over the last couple years. So, like, if again, like if Houston's offense can stay consistent and figure this thing out, and CJ can really start playing his best football over the next couple weeks, they might be able to get to a fucking Super Bowl. Again, not saying win it because then you have to deal with the Rams or the Seahawks, and those are some very good teams with some pretty decent defenses as well. But Houston might like they could just be that team that comes out of the AFC if the if everything breaks their way. Um next game we got Broncos Packers, Broncos win the game 36 34 to 26. Bonex, for everything I say about him, had a decent game. He had 23 of 34, 300 yards, four touchdowns, zero picks. They didn't run the football that effectively. RJ Harvey, 19 carries, 65 yards and a touchdown. Cortland Sutton had a great game, seven catches, 113, and a touchdown. Franklin, six catches, 85 and a touchdown. Lil Jordan Humphrey, who names their fucking child Lil Jordan? Um, three catches, 42 yards, and a touchdown. So the way I look at it is just felt like watching this game that Denver was able to do a lot. Heck, it was a back and forth game. Packers played great. Jordan, not great. Jordan Love, 24-40, 276, one touchdown, two picks. They ran the football for 115 yards. Matthew Golden got the ball, who was he was a leading receiver. I think two guys, him and Jaden Reed, both had 55 yards receiving. And it was back and forth, but it was just at the end of the day, Denver's defense just played a lot better. And the one pick Jordan Love tried to throw to Christian Watson, it was like a deep ball down the field, and they thought Christian Watson was going to be able to run away from Patrick Sertain, and Sertain stayed with him all the way down the field and went out there and made a big play on the ball. It was just one of those things that like against any other DB, I think that ball goes goes Christian Watson's way. It's a touchdown. Patrick Surtain went out there and hawked that ball down and took it. And that was like kind of the big difference. It didn't help injury to insult that they lost Micah Parsons in this game with a Tories ACL. He's done for the year. Another player, like he's very he's still very young, so he'll be, I think he'll be able to come back from this injury and be fine. But I just think that they made the move for Micah Parsons thinking that this was going to be at their Super Bowl year, and they finally got to a point where Jordan Love was playing his best ball, and it felt like that, hey, if Jordan Love can keep playing well, then you have Micah Parsons doing what he's doing on the other side, like they had a real chance to be a Super Bowl contender. And it just felt like, again, another team making a big move to go all in to try to make their team go for this year takes a huge hit. Again, they could still be a very good team in the NFC, but it's just it felt like the Michael Parsons thing was like the move to put them over the top, and unfortunately, they won't have the opportunity to use him in those big games against those other big teams in the NFC in order for them to get to the ultimate Super Bowl like they're looking for with Jordan Love as their quarterback.
SPEAKER_03:So is it weird to say I feel like it's not possible with Jordan Love being their quarterback? Like he just makes too many mistakes in a game, and he throws so many almost interceptions that eventually they're gonna stop being almost interceptions. Because to be honest, he's not all that talented. He is not one of the better quarterbacks, he's like a top 20 quarterback.
SPEAKER_00:Consistently, he's not one of like when he when it's on, he looks like the best quarterback in the NFL. Like we often is it on? That's that's the question, right? Is that he has not been able to be consistent enough over a long period of time. But here's the fucking thing Eli only needed two times where he did it. Otherwise, in his NFL career, he was 50% winning percentage.
SPEAKER_03:He had a supreme defense behind him.
SPEAKER_00:In one, but then the other, he carried that team all the way.
SPEAKER_03:He did.
SPEAKER_00:You just need two runs. Heck, Joe Flacco even had a fucking run where he went on a tear. Ed Reed. But again, that's what Michael Parsons was supposed to be. He was supposed to be the key to a supreme defense because they have a decent secondary, they have one of the better safeties in the NFL with McKinney. Like, so they had like their set their corners aren't necessarily all that great.
SPEAKER_02:No, they're kind of mid.
SPEAKER_00:They're kind of mid, but again, they overall they had a very uh good defense. It wasn't again, you don't necessarily need to have the top defense in the NFL to go win a Super Bowl. You just need to have enough of everything, and what Michael Parsons was supposed to give them was getting that enough of everything. A guy in the big moments that can go be your star, or at least get the star type of uh treatment, and that'll open it up for the rest of the guys on your defense. Like, that was what Michael Parsons was there for, and now they won't have that. So that'll be the big question, especially after they gave him all that money. So, like, the only thing that makes all that worth it is getting to a Super Bowl and winning it. Maybe just getting to a Super Bowl, winning it is a totally separate thing, but getting two Super Bowls would make it all worth it. Unfortunately, even if they do get there, it will be without Micah Parsons because of that injury. But it was a very good game between the Broncos and Patriots, though. Um, next game, Rams Lions. Rams won the game 41-34. Matthew Stafford was awesome in this game. Kyron Williams um was very good. Stafford 24-38, 368, two touchdowns in a pick. They ran the football for 159 yards total in this game. They really do have a two-back system now, Kyron Williams and Blake Coram. I think they had like 150 yards between them both, three touchdowns. Like the way they're able to switch off between those two running backs and still get very good running back play out of both is a very big plus for them on top of all of the other weapons that they have on that offense. Puka Nakua, another great game, nine catches, 181 yards. Kobe Parkinson, their tight end, five catches, 75 yards, two touchdowns. Devontae Adams, four catches, 71 yards. He did get hurt in this game with a hamstring injury. So they're saying he might be out for like a month or so. But again, they're gonna make the playoffs. If they literally can just tell Devontae Adams, take his time. We'll see you again in the playoffs to make sure you're good and healthy to go once you get once we get there. I think that'll be their big plan because the way the Rams are playing right now, they're just they look like the best team in all of football without much of a question. And the way they beat up on the Detroit Lions on Sunday was a very, very big game because it wasn't like the Detroit Lions played terribly. Jared Goff, 25 of 41, 338, 3 touchdowns, 0 picks. Jameer Gibbs did not get going at all in this game. They could not run the football at all. Gibbs had 38 yards rushing, and Montgomery even only had 32 yards rushing, so like they weren't able to run the football. And again, this that Detroit Lions team is a lot different team when they're able to run the football, and then they set up set uh uh set up play action off of that. But even without running the football, St. Brown, 13 catches, 164 yards, two touchdowns. Jamison Williams, seven catches, one thirty-four, and a touchdown. It has got to a point in this game where that Detroit Lions defense is so beat up, like they just don't have anybody other than Aiden Hutchinson, they don't have anybody else on that defense to really look even the safety. Why am I framing that guy's name? Um Branch. Branch, he got hurt. So like they just have nobody on that defense, they're just so banged up in the secondary. So, like, other than the Aiden Hutchinson um pick six that he had, like, their defense did not put up any fight against the Rams. And the same, again, it's not necessarily a downside because that Rams team is gonna do that to a lot of teams.
SPEAKER_03:But it's just expect them to put that much of a fight. I think I picked we both picked the Rams.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we did. We did.
SPEAKER_03:So like we didn't expect them to put that much of a fight, and it's not surprised that they didn't at all.
SPEAKER_00:But it's just as good as that offense played, it just sucks when you know you're like, hey, backed by a great defense. If they just had if they just had a regular defense that was healthy and that was able to like keep everybody on the field, I think they'd be a much different team. But it's just even having a as great of an offensive night as they did, it didn't matter because their defense just couldn't get any stops. That's a difference, man. And so like again, the Detroit Lions are eight and six. Their playoff hopes are like hanging on by a thread, and they really need some things to break their way on top of them winning games in order for them to get in, because they're definitely not winning their division with with the uh lead that the Packers have on them. So I don't know. Again, the Detroit Lions are a good team. Again, I'm gonna have to face them next week. So we're about to get our ass kicked by them. So I'll be seeing it firsthand. But it's just the Rams are a very, a very, very good football team. They're hard to beat right now. And by the way, let's just go ahead and hand Matthew Stafford the MVP right now. It's his. Just give him the football, get just give him the reward and like let everything else be figured out later because he's just he's just been lights out, literally for every game other than one against the Carolina Panthers, where he had a total meltdown. But other than that, he's been awesome. Next game, Panthers Saints. Um, based off of Tampa Bay losing on the Thursday night football game last week, all the Panthers had to do was win this game against the Saints, and they would have first place in the division. Unfortunately, the Saints didn't hear none of that shit because they went out there and won that game 20 to 17. It was a hard-fought game going back and forth. Tyler Shuck, he's figuring it out. He's fine. Like, I'm not saying he's turning out to be a superstar, and I'm not even sitting here saying he's gonna be their long-term answer. But he is playing some decent football. 24 of 32. He's serviceable. Yeah, for sure. 272, one touchdown, zero picks. Didn't make the bad mistake. They didn't really run the football that well, but it didn't really matter in this game. Chris Olave, six catches, eighty five yards, and a touchdown. Like, just get a quarterback that can get the ball to Chris Olave. And that I think you're you're gonna be going someplace just by getting being able to get that done because of how good of a player Chris Olave is. And the Carolina Panthers, man, Bryce Young, as good as I've been talking about, how I think he's been playing a lot better as. Of recently, he didn't have a great game. 15 to 24, 163 yards, one touchdown, zero picks. They didn't run the they ran the football fine, 31 total carriers for 127 yards. Rico Dowdle, 16 carries, 49 yards, and a touchdown. It is just, it was just that this was the one opportunity Carolina had to really take seat, uh take advantage of the moment that Tampa Bay gave them by losing to the Falcons on Thursday night and they just really couldn't make it happen. Ted McMillan didn't really do all that much on Sunday. Jalen Coker was leading receiver, four catches, 60 yards. It just sucks that if the Panthers really wanted to take that next step and really be again, did anybody truly believe the Panthers were a good enough team to make the playoffs? Probably not, but it didn't matter what we fucking believe because they had an opportunity to go and make it happen for themselves. And again, they still have that opportunity for the rest of the season, but I just don't see Tampa Bay giving them more opportunities like they had on Sunday. So, because again, I think Tampa Bay is only going to get better, even though they have not been great, but it's just they're gonna have more and more of their guys back. I just I just don't think Panthers are gonna have another opportunity like they had. Um, next game, 49ers Titans. Niners won the game 37 to 24. Brock Purdy probably had his best game that he has played all year. He went 23 of 30, 295, three touchdowns, zero picks. Christian McCaffrey, 22 carries, 73 yards, and a touchdown. On top of having he didn't even receive the ball that much all that much. He had one catch for 14 yards. Ricky Pearsall, six catches, 96 yards. Kittle, 8 for 88 and a touchdown. Juwan Jennings had two touchdowns off of 37 yards and three catches. Again, Titans' defense is not all that great. Titans team is not great. They're probably the worst team in the NFL. I think it's them and for the worst teams in the NFL, I think it's them and somebody. I forget who else. Um Cam Ward, 18-29, two touchdowns, zero picks. He was fine, but he just doesn't have enough help. They ran the football decently, but it's just, again, Titans just have been struggling all year long, and it just is what it is with that team. See uh next game, Seahawks, Colts. Um, Phillip Rivers turned out to be fine. He wasn't terrible.
SPEAKER_03:Real quick, at 44, and a week ago he was on the couch.
SPEAKER_00:18 to 27, 120 yards, one touchdown, one pick.
SPEAKER_03:And that's fine.
SPEAKER_00:The one play he had where he was going on the drop back and he's fell he tripped over his own feet. He looked like he was 100 on that play. And then he tried to get up and get a couple yards out of it. It looked so sad.
SPEAKER_03:Real quick, no one I was confused about. Why don't y'all y'all should have been throwing a fucking DB at his ass?
SPEAKER_00:They did not blitz him. They did not blitz him. It felt like they looked at him and said, Hey, we're not gonna push the issue today. We're not gonna give him any easy ones by letting him potentially get one over the top. So we're gonna drop everybody. We're not gonna blitz him, and we're just not gonna I think not try to hurt him, honestly, because he did not look like a guy that's been ready to play football.
SPEAKER_03:No, but real quick, he was out there, he was slinging the football.
SPEAKER_00:He was slinging the football. Slinging might be a little bit of a strong word.
SPEAKER_03:I ain't played in five motherfucking years.
SPEAKER_00:Would you would we like to play a quick game of who would be better? Which old man would be better than Philip Rivers in that game? Uh-huh. Tom Brady.
SPEAKER_03:When did he last play?
SPEAKER_00:Tom Brady three years now?
SPEAKER_03:It's been five years. Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Who's the next one?
SPEAKER_00:Uh I was thinking like Eli because we're around the same age.
SPEAKER_03:Nigga, Eli?
SPEAKER_00:I think Eli could but again, I see Eli on the freaking broadcast. He looked like he's been working out at least. Philip Rivers looked like he's worked out for shit over the last five years.
SPEAKER_03:Nah. He's in Utah making kids.
SPEAKER_00:Alabama, even worse. There was like there was this one former NFL player that made the case of why he came back, was because he has 10 fucking children. And because he's been gone for five years and his his insurance would would run out this year, but since he came back, it re fucking starts. So he gets another five years worth of insurance being paid by the NFL. Health insurance, by the way.
SPEAKER_03:Again, he does have a lot of kids. It's he has ten. Ten. How many are above the age 18?
SPEAKER_00:He has one that's like a high like a no, he's a grandfather.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so she's like th 27.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So I I I think he only has like four kids under no, he has a lot of children, man.
SPEAKER_00:I I I that he has to take care of. I think there's it's like set it's like eight of them. A lot of children, but again, that's a lot of health insurance. So the idea that he can come back, play a few games, and just get another five years' worth of insurance. Oh, they say he has a lot of young kids. There you go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, his oldest is born in 02.
SPEAKER_00:Oof, crazy. But yeah, so like he has a lot of kids to take care of. That makes sense as to why he would come back because I don't see any other reason. He looks like he has not tried to keep himself in shape, fleece football shape. He looks fine. He's not fat out there, but he doesn't like he's in football shape.
SPEAKER_03:He's in dad shape.
SPEAKER_00:He's in dad shape. He's been doing his thing. Being a coach in Alabama, being a high school coach in Alabama, doing fine. But it's just when I looked at it, it looked like Seattle defensively was just taking it easy. They should have won this game by a lot more. The fact that they were in this, they were in a close game with Indianapolis in the second half was kind of bad. Well, there you go. That's a lot of kids, a lot of health insurance right there. A lot of doctors' visits. And he has a grandchild now. All of them being paid for probably by him.
SPEAKER_03:These kids are accidents. No, he's he's No, the no the spacing between them is too hard. He's leaving it in, my boy. It's too weird. 23. Not another kid until three years later.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Not another kid until 19.
SPEAKER_00:That seems like reasonable.
SPEAKER_03:Not another kid for another two years. 17.
SPEAKER_00:That seems like he's they're just trying to be reasonable, not have a bunch of little babies around all at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:17.
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh. And then it goes down to like 15. Then goes like the 13 or 12.
SPEAKER_03:14. 12, 10.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:14, 12, and 10.
SPEAKER_00:That's you can't have that many mistakes. You just have it chopped off at that point if you if you have that much of an issue.
SPEAKER_03:Six. Four years.
SPEAKER_00:And two. Again, other than hell.
SPEAKER_03:We're the same age!
SPEAKER_00:They'll be in high school together.
SPEAKER_03:Yes!
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That last one was a fuck up. And then the six-year-old probably was too.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, it's what it is what it is, man. He's I guess if you can if you can take care of him. Apparently he believes he can take care of them. Then if he can't, he's gonna come back and play a few NFL games to make sure he has the health insurance taken care of. So again, he probably lives well within his means in Alabama. Like I don't think the housing market is too crazy there. So, but no, it was I think the Seahawks, it was a game they kind of took off altogether. They're they should have won this game by a lot more.
SPEAKER_01:But I just think in general Where did Philip Rivers play most of his career?
SPEAKER_00:Um Chargers.
SPEAKER_03:Were the Chargers always in LA?
SPEAKER_00:No, they were in San Diego before. Oh no, for sure. But I'm just saying health insurance is a very expensive thing, especially with all those children. So like if the idea that maybe, hey, maybe I can come back, he doesn't have a team to coach right now because high school football is over, and the fact he can come back, play like three, four, five games, four games, and get another five years worth of free insurance for him and his family, not a bad deal. Especially if you can go out there and not necessarily look terrible, terrible. It didn't look awesome, but it was terrible. It was it was fine. It was a good story. Again, he's 44 years old, so I'm not gonna have crazy high expectations of him, but it just is what it is.
SPEAKER_03:Um I'd come back for$228,000.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:For what a few games, maybe the playoffs?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. No, they're not making the playoffs. Would you want to see him in a playoff game? I just I wouldn't. Like I just don't want to see that at all. Because then you won't have teams willing to go be nice with him. They're gonna be sending ever sending the house, and then he's just gonna die on the football field. Yeah. That's it. Why not? I'm bored. Maybe. Um, next game Vikings, Cowboys, Vikings win the game 34-26, like you had said earlier. It was so bad that J. J. McCarthy, the guy that has been ass all year that their fans were weren't even convinced could get the job done, was grittying into the end zone against this Cowboys team. JJ, 15-24, 250 yards, two touchdowns, and a pick. Again, none of those yards went to freaking went to uh Justin Jefferson at all, two catches for 22 yards. The fact that they cannot get Justin Jefferson involved at all, again, he's taking it like a good soldier, man. He's doing so good by not crashing out at all times. Like he should be AJ Brown at this point because of how much he has not been used this year based on how bad their offense has been. But again, in this game, against a very bad Dallas Cowboys team, at least Dallas Cowboys defense, they went and did what they had to do. Jedin McCarthy had a touchdown, uh, two touchdown throws as well as a touchdown run. CJ Hamm, they had a touchdown run in this game. Jalen Naylor had two touchdown catches in this game. Again, it's just there was nothing the Cowboys could do because their defense could not get any stops against a very bad Minnesota team. Dak Prescott was fine. 33, 23 of 38 for 294, no touchdowns, no picks, though. Um Javante Williams, 15 carries, 91 yards, and a touchdown. Malik Davis had a rushing touchdown for them. CeeDee Lamb, six catches, 111 yards. And then I have to go down to see George Pickens for three catches or 33 yards. George Pickens is doing the George Pickens thing again. Again, it's kind of started last game when he was make making a huge deal about how much he wasn't trying. But I feel like this might be the end of his time with the Cowboys at the end of this year, and then they're either going to try to lowball him and make him sign a very crappy deal, and then he won't take it, and then he'll have to go somewhere else, try to re-establish himself, and then another team will take a chance on him because of how talented he is, and then he's gonna ruin their fans' uh faith in him too, because it is what it is. He's just too easily impacted by his mental state and how he's not happy, so I'm not gonna play hard, and that's like the that's the biggest thing with him because when it comes to talent, he has all of it. All the physical ability, he has all of it. So, like all he needs to do is have the thing in between his ears working right, and for too often it's not working on the football field the way it needs to. Um, but yeah, Cowboys, their season is practically dead, they're not making the playoffs and all that. I'm surprised Jerry Jones hasn't said shit about the Micah Parsons thing because that is something Jerry Jones would be more than happy to do, is some talk some shit about an injured player. But as of right now, he hasn't done it, so I'll give him a little bit of credit that it hasn't happened yet. Um, last but not least, the Monday night football game last night, Steelers, Dolphins. Steelers win the game 28 to 15. The Dolphins really didn't do shit until the fourth quarter where they had where they had they scored two touchdowns with um why am I forgetting his name right now? With Darren Waller, he had two touchdown catches in the fourth quarter. But Devon Achan was leading receiver in this game, six catches, 67 yards. For some reason, they have a very do you think Jalen Waddell's a one or a two? Two. There was a time where I thought like maybe he could be a one. He's a two. But like he should be getting all the catches in the world without Tyreek Hill involved. He should. And he hasn't done shit. Maybe it's because their offense is so bad, like maybe they're just not using him in the way they need to, but they're making him a slot receiver. He's not even an outside guy with how they're playing their how they're playing offense. But it's just again, they paid him all that money, and then he's playing like ass when there is no he should be the number one guy getting all the targets in the world, but he's getting out-targeted by freaking Darren Weller in this game and Devon A-chan. Again, Achan is an awesome player, but he is a running back. So the Dolphins didn't do a lot. Tua got sacked four times in this game. He went 22 of 28, 253 yards, two touchdowns. The one pick he had was a straight-up duck into zone coverage. You know, he has a league leading 15 interceptions on the year, and all of those interceptions are are against the zone defense. Every single one is against the zone defense. So Pittsburgh Steelers took advantage of it, did what they had to do. Aaron Rodgers, 23 of 27, 224, two touchdowns, zero picks. Kenneth Gainwell, 13 carries, 80 yards. John U. Smith had a rushing touchdown. Connor Hayward had a touching a rushing touchdown. It's the first time in like 50 years that two tight ends on the same team have a rushing touchdown in the same game.
SPEAKER_03:A rushing touchdown is crazy.
SPEAKER_00:They literally handed the like literally did like a um a what is that? Not a handoff, but a uh a pitch to John U Smith as a running back, and he ran it in for a touchdown. Absolutely insane. DK Metcalf, three catches, 55 yards, and a touchdown. Kenneth Gainwell had another seven catches, 46 yards. Marquez Valdez Scantley, a guy that nobody's really heard of in a while, but he got a touchdown catch in this game. But it's just the only problem I have with this game, again, we won. It was very good. I won a bet last night off of this game. I was very happy about that. But the problem is that the way this AFC is kind of breaking out, I might be forced to have faith in the Steelers team to do something in the playoffs. Because if they don't see Josh Allen and they don't, and they manage to not have to see the Houston Texans, the Steelers can beat any other any one of these other teams in the AFC. They can. I'm not saying they will. I'm not saying I even expect it. But they have an opportunity to, and it's gonna make me want to at least dream a little bit. Because the way they're looking at it right now, they're a game up on the Ravens right now for the AFC North. And as long as they can either beat the Ravens or the Ravens just if the Ravens can kind of collapse for the next three games until they play them in the last game of the season, the Steelers are gonna make the playoffs, and it's just with there is no Mahomes, there's no Burrow. Like a lot of these teams are either that are gonna that are gonna be in the AFC are either gonna have very young quarterbacks that don't have a lot of playoff um success, or they're gonna be teams that like have obvious flaws that the Steelers can hang. So again, the only team that is an instant L is against the freaking against the Bills. Because the Josh Allen owns the Steelers at this point. So but other than that, I'm like I'm gonna be forced to have a little bit of hope in the Steelers if they make the playoffs and the the landscape stays how it is, but it's just again, I don't want to because I know my heart's gonna get broken somehow, some way. It's just a matter of when, not a matter of if. So it is what it is. Steelers got a good win last night, again, against a bad Miami Dolphins team, but they did what they had to do. And apparently after this game, they oh the um they opened up the possibility of Tua not being their starter for the rest of the season. But it's just again, they don't have anybody else. They put all their eggs in the Tua basket and then the Tua thing has not worked out. They don't have a young quarterback again. They drafted um quit um Quinn Ewers out of Texas in the seventh round, but like even when he got a chance to play, he was ass.
SPEAKER_03:So I'm just like they're looking for their quarterback in the future.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, for sure. I think they're closer to a rebuild, like a total reset than they are anything else. So I don't know. It's a decent win against again.
SPEAKER_01:I agree with you on that one.
SPEAKER_00:The Steelers have times where they've looked bad enough they could lose to a team like Miami. So I'm not gonna take it for granted, but again, I think the season's gonna end for me in heartbreak anyway. So I'm just like trying to brace myself. It always does. Just trying to brace myself, even though I'm happy with the wins as they come. That's it. Alright, so that's all the games. We talked about all that. The last thing I wanted to do was make our prediction for the Thursday night game next week, which is hold on, let me get this here. Before we say what the game is for week 16 Thursday night football, the our records, we went, we both went 9-7 last week. Overall, I am 129-80-1. Jay says 135-74-1, so he's six games ahead of me as of right now. The Thursday night football game for this week is gonna be the LA Rams going to Seattle, one going to Seattle and playing them once again. How do you see that game going? No Devontae Adams, though. Puka Nakua, he did leave the game.
SPEAKER_03:I think Seattle's defense is better overall.
SPEAKER_00:Taking Seattle, huh?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. I can force you them splitting.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Um, LA Rams, uh Seattle. Jones. You sure? You're taking the taking Seahawks, Seahawks?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, I'm gonna take the Rams. They didn't say for sure that Pukanoku will not be playing for this week, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that he will be back for this game. And I just think the Rams are on a roll right now. I'm gonna take them to beat Seattle on the road. Again, hostile environment, but I will take them to win that game. Alright, so that's about it. Done enough talking about the game here. We'll be back on Friday to do another pod to do the prediction pod for all of the Copswall games up coming up this weekend, as well as the rest of the week six, the week 16 sleet of the NFL season. So that's about it. So let's end the podcast here. If you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. You're just now jumping on. Hopefully, you like us and enjoy us enough to talk about to listen, join us on this ride of listening to us talk about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you like what we're doing, enjoy what we're doing. If you could do a couple things for us, we'd appreciate if you could. Like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us. We're pretty much available on all audio platforms out there. We'd appreciate if you could do that. Also, if you could share our podcast, friends, family, enemies, anybody you feel like can enjoy our podcast that we put out on a weekly basis, with a couple with it being two times a week during the football season. Love if you can do that. And then last but not least, if you could follow us on Twitter and or X, whatever you'd like to call it, at JV Sports Pod is the podcast handle. At Jovante Boozer is my handle, at Jace Boozer One is Jace's handle, and I will go to Ed and hand it off to Jace so he can finish off the pod.
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