Transfer Portal Chaos, NFL Coaching Shakeups, Josh Allen's Best Shot

What happens when the transfer portal turns into a talent exchange and NIL becomes the accelerant? We start with a creator’s dilemma—refresh the intro or ride the tradition—then push straight into college football’s new economy. A one-year, five million dollar QB deal at Texas Tech becomes the case study: is this smart roster building or just donor-fueled distortion? We map how 30 percent of D1 in the portal shifts leverage from coaches to players, why “development” now requires early roles, and how Jeremiah Smith shattered the old wait-your-turn model.

From there, we break down two fascinating college matchups. Ole Miss vs Miami is pace versus control: if Ole Miss turns it into a track meet, can Miami keep up; if Miami owns the trenches, can they choke the clock? Oregon vs Indiana is about execution with receipts—both sides know each other’s tells, so it’s players, not tricks. We challenge the Mendoza-as-QB1 narrative and outline what true 1.1 traits look like versus consensus by default.

Then the NFL carousel takes over. We sort firings that fit and those that feel like scapegoats, rank the best openings by quarterback certainty, front-office competence, and defensive core, and ask who’s actually set up to win fast. The AFC path is staring at Josh Allen; with Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar out of the bracket, anything less than a run invites hard questions. Meanwhile, the NFC West looks terrifyingly complete, and an Eagles defense that rediscovered its teeth can still smother a game.

We close on the Steelers–Ravens thriller: a swingy fourth quarter, a missed kick that detonated a stadium, and a reminder that one injury can flip a defense’s identity in real time. If you love sharp takes on NIL, transfer strategy, matchup edges, and coaching fits—with a little chaos baked in—you’ll feel right at home here. If you’re new, welcome in; every episode stands on its own.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Changing The Show Intro
• 9:20 Gym Story And Steelers Bonding
• 14:50 Is This A Sports Podcast
• 16:20 Transfer Portal Numbers And NIL Money
• 22:30 Texas Tech’s $5M QB And Donor Power
• 30:20 Culture vs Buying Starters
• 37:00 Ohio State WR Room And Portal Fallout
• 46:30 Freshmen Expectations And Jeremiah Smith
• 53:20 Portal’s Clock: Playing Time Speeds Up
• 1:00:20 CFP Semifinal Preview: Ole Miss vs Miami
• 1:07:40 Oregon vs Indiana Matchups
• 1:17:30 Mendoza Hype And NFL Draft Debate
• 1:26:00 Coaching Carousel: Firings And Fits
• 1:35:40 Browns, Ravens, Bengals Decisions
• 1:45:20 Ranking The Best Open Jobs
• 1:54:10 Week Recap: NFC South Collapse
• 2:00:20 Contenders, Pretenders, And QB Form
• 2:09:20 Steelers–Ravens Wild Finish
• 2:16:40 Records, Picks, And Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_07: 0:09

Welcome back to Miss With Podcast. Today is Tuesday, January the 6th. We're back for the podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 0:15

We're back, sir.

SPEAKER_01: 0:16

We got Should I start saying the year?

SPEAKER_04: 0:19

No. Does it really matter? I I I get like yes, it's the first podcast of the year 2026. But outside of that, what does it matter? Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_07: 0:33

I feel like I should start saying the year.

SPEAKER_04: 0:34

We're getting close to 300 episodes, too. No, it's crazy. Or like uh what was it, 88 last month? I I guess. Like, if you don't I guess again, that part is yours. So if you really want to add it in, you can.

SPEAKER_07: 0:49

I know, I guess like an old episode popped up on my YouTube and I was listening to it. So I I probably was like 19, 18, 19. Yeah. I was listening to it. I was like, damn. I sound like a toddler. I was like, I don't like Tanamon voice. I don't either. I absolutely hate it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10

Um I when I come through when I listen to myself talk, I feel like I come through a lot very nasally. I I agree. And I don't I don't feel like I'm that nasally when I talk. I don't either. But it's just on the microphone, it just sounds different. I just don't think I'm that nasally in real life.

SPEAKER_07: 1:29

I don't either, dude. But like I come through a lot higher pitch, too. I was listening to it, and like I started just like click through like the episodes. Yeah. Like just hearing the first couple seconds, and I'm like, damn, my intro has sound the same for three years. Yeah. It'll be my intro, my intro, my intro, random one where you're doing it, my intro, my intro, my intro, my intro. And I'm like, damn, it just sounds the same.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48

I'm trying to change it up a bit. That's fine. Again, if you would if that's what you want to do, that's more than that. Um that's fine fine to do so just by adding the year, or if you want to do something else.

SPEAKER_07: 1:57

I I don't know. It's just always been hey, welcome back to the James's podcast. Today is whatever, whatever, whatever.

SPEAKER_04: 2:02

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07: 2:03

But like I maybe I maybe I should just say it differently. I think there was one, there's one podcast I distinctly remember where I did the intro different.

SPEAKER_02: 2:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 2:12

And then we didn't go with that one, and I made you redo it, and I did it like normal.

SPEAKER_04: 2:17

Yeah, whatever you want to do, man. However does it. Again, consistency is key.

SPEAKER_07: 2:21

So I I know.

SPEAKER_04: 2:23

So if you want to make if you want to make a change, make a change. We're probably we'll still define something we'll stick with.

SPEAKER_07: 2:30

The problem is I I would sit here before a pod like for an hour going through all the ones I've written down to like figure out if this is what I'm going with or not.

SPEAKER_04: 2:37

Right. Yeah, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_07: 2:39

And then like I'd have to do it for a couple podcasts to see if it sticks or not. And then if it don't stick, it'll have a weird gap of like 10 podcasts where the intro is different. And then it just, hey, welcome back to James With Podcast again. It just the intro becomes the same.

SPEAKER_04: 2:54

It sounds like we had doppelgangers for like four or five episodes.

SPEAKER_06: 2:57

That'd be weird. Of you have like a fucking month of eight episodes.

SPEAKER_04: 3:01

Right.

SPEAKER_06: 3:02

Just for the intro to go back to the same.

SPEAKER_04: 3:04

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_06: 3:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07: 3:07

I just feel like my I feel like I should change the intro. Maybe it's just too simple. But I think of like other podcasts, and a lot of them don't have like a standard intro. They just start, hey, and start talking. Yeah, no, I and then a lot other pod like uh some other podcasts just have like the hey, welcome back to episode blah blah blah. Yeah, this is episode blah blah blah. Or they'll say, hey, welcome back. It's date episode. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 3:33

I I like that. I like that I like that approach because you have to think about it as if not everybody that's ever gonna listen to your pod is gonna be listening to it for a while. Like, like there's gonna be some some person's first time listening to that podcast. Well, be so having it be like a hey, this is an episodic thing, like you're listening to one experience when you come in and listen. I like the idea of that, because not everybody's gonna stick around forever.

SPEAKER_07: 3:59

True, true, and I guess it's something I've just thought of recently of damn, I should change, maybe I should change my intro. Maybe I should change how it's said. I don't know, we've gone on three years on the same shit. Same intro, and I'm like, maybe I should change it. Maybe it should be something different.

SPEAKER_04: 4:15

Maybe I can get a new song too. I've been going with this, I'm do using the same intro song for a year or two now, yeah. It's like the little hip hopy. Again, you probably never listen to that song. You'd probably just skip two, skip through that. Again, it's been rolling for rolled and like rolled for like a minute and a half there at the beginning. But it's like say hip hopy type. Again, I don't think you can go with much. How are we gonna change this the song? Like go to like some country song or something.

SPEAKER_01: 4:41

That'd be funny.

SPEAKER_04: 4:42

It would be funny. Do that for like two episodes and then never do it again. That'd be funny. That would be hilarious if we did that. But I don't I don't think I would want to go that route. Because again, getting music for this stuff is is a lot harder. Has to get it has to be royalty-free. So a little bit harder to find royalty-free music out there nowadays. It is very hard.

SPEAKER_07: 5:02

And then like you'll think you found something that's royalty-free and it's not.

SPEAKER_04: 5:05

Then you get hit with it. Yeah, it's it's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_07: 5:08

I don't know. I just was just thinking about it. I do I do know the intro, though, the hip hop intro. I remember when you were setting that shit up. Yeah. And I was like, oh yeah, this is fire. And it is still fire. It's nice to have. The only recommendation I would do is maybe shorten it.

SPEAKER_04: 5:22

Again, it's only for like a minute.

SPEAKER_07: 5:23

That's a long minute, bro. But it I you've always done it to where it fades as I start talking, and it just fades out. And then it falls.

SPEAKER_04: 5:33

I I let it roll. I let it roll as it comes through, and then we have her, because usually we never really get straight to the point. It's always again, we've been going on for five minutes now about maybe changing the intro. So it's not as if we're like ever like getting to really getting to the point and the music's still going. So usually it'll go, we're talking shit and like do we're doing other things, and then by the time we get to business, we're in the music, the music's gone.

SPEAKER_07: 5:54

And I I like that because again, you're right. We're never straight on the point when we first start podcasts. And it's always because I have something to talk about when we first start podcasting.

SPEAKER_04: 6:02

It's awkward. I I think it's kind of awkward to go into and be like, hey, welcome back to the podcast. Football. It makes it my game. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 6:09

And you're right, it's an episodic thing, but every episode's a little different.

SPEAKER_04: 6:13

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07: 6:14

I think that's what makes it easier. You can't just start. But again, it's just awkward.

SPEAKER_04: 6:19

You don't talk, you don't start a conversation that way with anybody that you like talk sports with.

SPEAKER_07: 6:26

Even if we're not on pod and we're talking sports, we'll go we'll both go on five other tangents.

SPEAKER_04: 6:31

Yeah, there's tangents. That's how normal conversations work.

SPEAKER_07: 6:33

Yeah, that's what makes it it flows better.

SPEAKER_04: 6:35

Yeah, no questions asked.

SPEAKER_07: 6:36

Now, it does one of the aspect of that is that we are siblings, so it's a lot easier to talk between anybody else.

SPEAKER_04: 6:42

True. I was talking to the guy at the gym, the guy that now is going to a different gym, so we exchange phone numbers, and we're like this we talk to Steelers every single time we see each other, and then he didn't okay again. It's funny enough how he does it. Every time the team either does well or does bad, if they're doing well, I kind of I go ghost and I I don't see him for a week or two, and then he's like looking for me, waiting to talk, talk great about how the Steelers are doing, and then next thing you know, the last two weeks before this past week, I hadn't seen him in weeks. And then now after we beat the Ravens and now going to the playoffs, I then see him yesterday at the gym. And it's just funny how that kind of works out, but like it's Jim. Again, we I don't talk to nobody else anyway, but it's like I see him, we talk about the Steelers. I didn't know the dude's fucking name until we exchanged numbers and he sent me his name. It was awkward.

SPEAKER_07: 7:32

I think about guys, we don't need to know your name.

SPEAKER_04: 7:35

We're just friends now. It doesn't make it a little awkward when you're exchanging phone numbers. He asked for my Instagram, and I'm like, man, we're just gonna get the phone numbers. Like, we're just gonna be talking to Steelers anyway. What does it fucking matter if it's an Instagram or not? So I was like, hey, let's get your number. I get his number, he sends me his name, and I don't even clock the fact that it's his name because he sends a uh Steelers gift right after that. And I was I just put in like Jim Steelers uh positive guy, and I'm like, oh yeah, that's his name that he sent me. That didn't even clock. Let me get you this name. Hold on, let me let me make sure this is a name that this isn't a normal name by any means, right? Um hold on, hold on, hold on. It's Lwop Hall. E-L W O P P.

unknown: 8:24

Is he African?

SPEAKER_04: 8:27

No, no. If he is, he's very Americanized. Like there's like his dreads, it's like he's not even close to me.

SPEAKER_07: 8:36

Huh? He said dreads, no.

SPEAKER_04: 8:38

Yeah. I again I didn't I don't think so. I I never asked. We just talk about the Steelers. The only reason I ever caught a started a conversation because he saw me with the Steelers shirt on, because that's like my one of my favorite workout shirts that I have, and we just started talking about one day. We've just been go talking on and off when we see each other at the gym. So but again, I didn't know the guy's name until just yesterday, and it's like it's a whole thing. So, but again, having a conversation with between you and I, we can go on tangents and talk about other things because again, we know each other so well. So, like the other shit is not all that hard to kind of get to and then get out of whenever we want to like have a different conversation or not. So, but yeah, that that's it, it's us. It is, man. And again, anybody that's jumping now, jumping into this podcast for the first time is like, what the hell are these two dudes talking about? I thought this was a sports podcast. That's what you're here for. That's what we're here for. That's what makes this that's what makes this so much fun. So, first question I have to ask you, because we don't have a lot of Coswell to talk about, because it's the games that are happening this week are the semifinals of the Coswell playoff. Pretty much all the rest of the bowl games are done. That's all finished, and there's two games left. But one thing that's been dominating everything is the portal, right? There's been the number one quarterback in the portal that has gone from Cincinnati to Texas Tech, is where he has committed himself to.$7 million. Five. Which is like stoo dumb high. Dumb high for a quarterback, okay? If would you like me to tell you where if he were to if somebody were to get drafted, what draft slot would you have to be at to get five million dollars? Let's just say it's a signing bonus, because as a salary, it kind of gets it's pretty big. But as a signing bonus, what would you think you'd have to get? Where would you think you'd drafted at to get five million dollars? Cash. I think of like Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_06: 10:44

He got like 13.

SPEAKER_04: 10:47

13 at signing, but he actually got like$32 million. He was number one overall pick.

SPEAKER_07: 10:52

Yeah, but his bonus was crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 10:54

Right. Um like in the tens, teens. Like right around pick 11 is where you'd get picked that same get that same amount of money if you're getting picked in the draft. And this dude is getting paid five million dollars to go play for one season. It's his last season in college football. He's getting paid for one year five million dollars to go play football at Texas Tech. Again, they have oil money, like they have a real big B billionaire behind them. Again, I talk about how much money Ohio State has. We don't have big B billionaires behind us like Oregon. The Texas school. Oregon is Nike. Well, yeah, for sure. But again, that's a bit B.

SPEAKER_07: 11:33

AM is that's big B oil money.

SPEAKER_04: 11:37

Uh Texas Tech. Yeah, yeah. Texas Tech is what makes them different in this whole thing is that they don't do a lot of high school recruiting. And even if they do, they're spending a lot of money. But they're a school trying to get like kind of claw their way into relevance. Again, they got to the playoffs this year, they lost in the first round, but like how they need to do so is like, hey, we don't have the history of sending dudes to the NFL like a lot of other schools do. But guess what? We're gonna pay you a lot of money to come play here for a year or two, and then you're that's how that's this is gonna get done. And it doesn't help that they are literally buying starters for the next year, right? In comparison, like think places like Ohio State and Georgia, where those places would like to get have most of their guys that are gonna be starting for them in any given year, is a guy that has already been there in their program for multiple years that they got out of high school, and then they'll supplement guys with the portal here or there. Places like Indiana, who has spent a lot of good money getting people in, we'll talk about that in a minute. And then Texas Tech, they're like, hey, we're just gonna go ahead and just buy a new starter for next year and not have to worry about any of that. They're not trying to worry about doing a culture. Like, again, they do high school recruiting, but it's just not their number one thing that they do. They're like, hey, we'll be more than happy to overpay for a player if we think they're gonna fit for us next um on a yearly basis, and it is what it is, but five million dollars is crazy. Like the only guy on like Ohio State's roster making five million dollars is Jer is Jeremiah.

SPEAKER_06: 13:07

I got a question for you.

SPEAKER_04: 13:09

Five, six, seven million dollars, hopefully. Again, if he goes in the portal, I might want to off myself, but I don't that hasn't happened as of yet. I don't think Ohio State will let it happen, but like that's the only guy that's making that much money on the Ohio State roster. What's the question?$100 million.

SPEAKER_07: 13:24

Okay. But for a year, you get dropped into the random part of the ocean for 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_04: 13:33

But for a year, you're to do you're doing whatever you want, and then you get dropped in the random part of the ocean.

SPEAKER_07: 13:39

Once a day. Once a day. Once a day for 365 days at a time. You can set the time. But you are dropped into a random part of the ocean.

SPEAKER_04: 13:50

Do you have to get out or you just drop you just drop, then you have to be ready to ready to get transported there and then get transported back.

SPEAKER_07: 14:01

Yes. You can bring nothing with you though.

SPEAKER_04: 14:03

Yeah, but I obviously I would guess, but again, if what happens if you're a shark right there, then that's a problem.

SPEAKER_07: 14:09

If you get- You won't be any deeper than 10 meters. Oh, you so you're saying it won't be in water that deep?

SPEAKER_01: 14:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 14:19

No, no, no. The water will be deep. You won't be below the surface more than 10 meters.

SPEAKER_04: 14:24

So I can just get teleported in the middle of the freaking ocean without any air?

SPEAKER_07: 14:28

Hold your breath.

SPEAKER_04: 14:29

You you know the time you're being teleported. No. Literally, the first time you get teleported, you could literally be in water as your mid-sentence just to take a breath. Next thing you know, you're breathing water. Again. Like you're screwed.

SPEAKER_07: 14:46

You set the time. The only problem is that time is different around the world. So suddenly I'm off the coast of Japan and it's fucking dark. Give me the button.

SPEAKER_04: 14:58

I'll just press that. Cap. If you had to make me choose, I just take the button. Cap. To kill a person? That's torture. To kill a person. What you're talking about is torture.

SPEAKER_07: 15:08

What I'm talking about to myself. See, it's the when I was cool, because it was I was it was a video, right? Until they said up to 10 meters below the surface.

SPEAKER_04: 15:19

Yeah, no, if you're just getting on the right on the top where you can just like just sit there and like skim the ocean for 30 seconds, that's fine. But once you're talking about, you just get teleported in the middle of the ocean, right like down from water.

SPEAKER_07: 15:32

No, my brain was like I can hold my breath for 30 seconds. I don't want to be underwater for 30 seconds. I can't see underwater, so my eyes would have to be closed. That's worse.

SPEAKER_04: 15:43

That's panic. That's panic. I'm panicking. Straight panic. Yeah. Yeah, no. No, I'm good. No, I'm good. I'm no, I'm straight on that.

SPEAKER_07: 15:52

Alright, one more question. Okay. Would you rather be married to an OnlyFans model? Uh-huh. Or be the child of an OnlyFans model.

SPEAKER_04: 16:06

I'll take married. Right?

SPEAKER_07: 16:09

Take married. Yeah. Right? I'm not tripping about that.

SPEAKER_04: 16:11

Yeah. I'd take married. That's going to be a kid. Again, I'm not a full level school life.

unknown: 16:17

This?

SPEAKER_04: 16:18

Nah. I would take married. Because first off, I'm not the crazy. Yeah, that's fine. There's a lot of OnlyFans model out there that don't like don't do anything. They're just showing pictures and men are just stupid enough to buy it. Like I don't understand. So crazy. These dudes are stupid. Like I'm just sitting there like, like, what like like like come on. I I I get it. You want to feel like you have some type of uh you're like contributing to somebody's life or something. Like that's where people some people get their rocks off, is by saying, hey, I'm just gonna pay for your lifestyle and that's gonna help me. I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? Like you don't you get nothing out of the deal, you're just giving them money. No, crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_07: 16:59

If you want to give somebody$15, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_04: 17:02

Right. There's people doing a lot of crazier things out here. Um, yeah, then yeah, no.

SPEAKER_07: 17:07

Sorry, I just had to ask because I was sitting there thinking about it and I was like, damn, could I dude if I I belie if one of the biggest comments was if it was just I'm at the surface for 30 seconds, that's fine. I could swing that. But you're saying 10 meters is not that's that's you gotta swim up.

SPEAKER_04: 17:26

Like you're this is like this is you gotta like yeah, no, no thanks.

SPEAKER_07: 17:30

That's 32 feet underwater.

SPEAKER_04: 17:32

No thanks. That's deep. That's that's deep.

SPEAKER_07: 17:36

That's deep. That's deep water.

SPEAKER_04: 17:39

So sorry. Back to the portal, right? Would you like to know how much of college football of Division I players? What is the the amount of college ball players that are currently in the portal right now? Ooh, 163. Percentage, my boy.

unknown: 17:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 18:05

Division one football players in the portal.

SPEAKER_04: 18:17

So roughly around 30 to 33 percent is what players are currently in the portal. In the NFL, it's about 50% of what players go on like on a yearly basis that go on to free agency and all of that. Is this a good model? Like I just think I don't know how you're gonna have 30% of all of Division I college football players in the portal. It's so as of right now, it's over 3,000 players that are currently in the portal.

SPEAKER_07: 18:56

All for different reasons. Or quick, that gives some cadence to how many players are in college football. Because 3,000 would be almost the entire NFL.

SPEAKER_04: 19:04

Yeah. No question. So, like, the fact that there's that many players in the portal going in for different reasons. Some are looking for playing time, some are looking for the bag. And by the way, like I told you earlier, the the salary cap that's supposed to be in college football right now is 20 million based off the rules that were given. They said that for the stipend that schools are allowed to pay players, they're allowed to pay up to a total of around$20 million to their players on a yearly basis. And it was publicized that that quarterback that's going to Texas Tech is getting$5 million in cash. So the fuck so that salary cap doesn't mean shit. That's the part that makes me upset about this whole thing is because when they say there's supposed to be rules coming and they say that it's supposed to be a twenty million dollar cap, and they say this is how this team's supposed to get this done, but that doesn't cover a billion dollars. Coming in saying, I'm gonna sign this player and give him five million dollars and hope that in like that'll be the what his NIL deal is. But the thing is that that is not priced fairly. That's not real life. Those are just that's funny money. And the idea that like what do you think there's actually a player that is truly has a worth of five million dollars on the open market right now? Like, let's just say college wall didn't exist. Well, it does exist, but every player got dropped from college ball right now. And literally, companies just go sign that player and get their get give them money to help out their companies just as a as a as a um endorsement, right? What play how many players do you actually think is worth five million dollars out there? A total of like four or five arch based off the Manning name, unfortunately. Jeremiah. What else you got? Maybe Mendoza, because he just won the Heisman and all that for Indiana.

SPEAKER_07: 21:02

All the Heisman candidates probably are.

SPEAKER_04: 21:04

Julian ain't worth no five million dollars right now.

SPEAKER_07: 21:07

I don't know. To a team that would need a quarterback is gonna be there for at least another year, two years. Yeah, he is.

SPEAKER_04: 21:15

As a like a one-year thing for like a one-year basis, we're just gonna give you five million.

SPEAKER_07: 21:20

There's fucking nobody. Jeremiah Smith's the only one I can think of.

SPEAKER_04: 21:23

But again, that's that I'm so I'm sitting there like this is funny money. And this, I just don't like the idea that this is just, and this is what gets into players' heads of saying, hey, because I'm thinking about this way for me as an Ohio State fan, and I had two cornerbacks leave our cornerback room, and both of them reasonably had a situation where with the guys leaving and the fact we don't have other guys coming in as of right now through the portal, is that one or like one or both of y'all really were in line to start, which makes me think either they didn't get the automatic go at go-ahead as if you're gonna be the starter going in next year, or you wanted to get paid like a starter, and I'll have to say look to them and said, Hey, we're not willing to pay you the money that you're looking for here just because you're online to be the starter going into next season. So the idea that these players are going out thinking, like, hey, I'm just gonna get paid a big bag from somebody off the chance of they they want to get a great player out of me, and it it may or may not work out. I just don't think this is gonna be a way for college people to work out long term. Because at the end of the day, other than these billionaires that literally have this money to waste, like this is nickels to them, other than those guys, I don't know how you can go to a millionaire and just say, hey, give me like a couple million dollars every single year for these new players that may or may not work out for this team. That's the part that makes me like that like makes me like, okay, this is this is all just stupid. But like, I I don't know. I the portal sucks just because it's just like you feel like some players are gonna be like on this certain path to be at your school for a certain amount of years, and then once once they get their opportunity, they'll be ready to go and be ready and they'll be developed and all of that. But players aren't willing to wait around that long, which I get to a certain extent, but I also think like some of these players have no reason to truly want to leave other than the fact that there is a team that called them in the middle of the year saying, Hey, if you decide to want to leave, we'll give you a big bag to go. And that's the part that makes me a little a little bit ticked off about it. You heard about Andrew, you heard about Mar uh Marsh, right?

SPEAKER_01: 23:33

No.

SPEAKER_04: 23:34

No, I said Andrew Marsh is Nick Marsh. He's going to Indiana.

SPEAKER_01: 23:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 23:40

And you said, like, I asked you when you were moving, like you said the couple places that you wouldn't want him to go. And I think you said you said Ohio State, you said Bama, and you said Michigan. Indiana ain't bad. Would you be willing to be happy for him if he were to go and succeed?

SPEAKER_07: 23:59

Because look at what fucking trash nigga Keon Coleman did when he left Michigan State.

SPEAKER_04: 24:06

He went to Florida State, balled out for a year, and then got picked as a second round pick.

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And was and is still just as ass as he was. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like he's dog shit. I I said it to you before he got drafted. He's dog shit. He's not good.

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He can't even stay as a starter with the big thing.

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There's a reason why Jaden Reed got drafted and is still producing in the NFL.

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We're not injured. Really big injury problem, but true, but he's he's good when he's playing. That's all the Packers receivers. All of them are injured all the time.

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But again, all of them are super fucking talented. Yeah, for sure. Consistent player. Nick Marsh is a freak of nature. He is he is large, he is fast, he has everything to be Calvin Johnson. He's just not Calvin Johnson. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Calvin Johnson was succeeding at Georgia Tech. True. Yeah. Give that man his credit. But again, good for him. I want him to be at a better school. You stay with Michigan State for two years, they gave you two shitty years of Aiden Childs, where you balled out one year.

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You know where Aiden Chiles potentially might go? Who cares? He was visiting Northwestern.

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Good for you. I can't wait to see you get fucking benched.

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But question though. If he goes to Northwestern and balls out and like actually plays very well, will that make you more upset about the whole situation? The fact they can't like if he goes to like because again, he'll have Chip Kelly as his OC. Like Northwestern's getting some real coaches, and they're getting some real players.

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Again, I think we had a bad coach.

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Oh, I obviously Jonathan Smith was terrible. It didn't work. Again, I I for whatever reason I was a very positive. I was one of the Jonathan Smith apologists, and then he goes there, does absolutely nothing, has a losing record both ears. Again, I it's not good.

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Um what's our newest coach? What does he do? What's his what is he doing? Pat Fitzgerald. Yeah, what's he good at?

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Defense culture guy. Toughness.

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We have brought in two guys who are recruiters. They're big recruiters. Mattalker was a big recruiter.

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This guy's not much of a recruiter.

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And that's fine.

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He's more developer, I will say.

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Well, that's the thing. We were at our best when he was able to bring in players that were maybe cut from bigger schools or weren't good enough to cut it at a bigger school.

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They were overlooked because they in their state the bigger schools kind of looked over them because they weren't really weren't good enough. That's when we're at our best.

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And you're just not really gonna you're there's never a spot for you because you're not as talented as guys ahead of you. Right. Uh a guy that probably would have gone to our school ten years ago, a Brandon Innis. A Brandon Innes. That nigga was never good enough to play.

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He was a five-star wide receiver coming out of high school. I'm just telling you. Whether you think he was a nobody on the field.

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Seven motherfuckers had more yards than him.

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Look, I'm look, I'm not disagreeing with those things. I'm not. But what I'm saying is that he was a five-star wide receiver coming out of high school. I'm just saying. I just wanted to put that fact out there. And again, I do think Ohio State to a certain degree was so focused on using tight ends that I think Brandon Innes took a little bit of a turn. Even though he wasn't nearly as explosive of an athlete as I would have thought he would have been. But when he got his chance to make plays, he made plays. But he just, again, it didn't make plays enough. It was what it was. Again, the fact that he hasn't transferred as of yet, I'm very encouraged by that. Because again, that makes makes me think he's locked in into the culture of Ohio State. He got he got left out of the offense a lot. I'm not gonna lie to you. Again, I just think that the dream was for him to be a really good slot receiver that would work with Julian Saiyan. The fact of the matter was is that we had two better receivers on the outside that Julian Saiyan got attached to quite quickly, and they pretty much said, hey, we're just gonna keep throwing to Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith all fucking year long. Max Claire, yeah, for sure. Even he had a slow year, but as the season went along, he got more and more involved in the offense. Yeah, for sure. And again, he might come back. They're saying you'll you'd only beat Aha for one year. He might come back for a fourth year.

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So there was dudes below Brennan Innes. Um McHalen? McKay?

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Huh?

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M Y L A N Mylan? Mylan. Graham?

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He was barely used.

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He was, but he was more explosive.

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Yeah, but he's going, he's transferring somewhere.

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Good for him.

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Again, it was like, here's the thing about the Brian Hartline with how he had his room, he had such a high bar for anybody starting. He wasn't just gonna like cycle dudes through just to get you snaps. So now, again, the best will play.

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Simple as that.

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The best will play, no questions asked, which works to a certain extent, but now with the portal and all of that, and now that Brian Hartline's now leaving, the idea that he kept some dudes, Mylan Graham wasn't getting starting time. We had a white dude um named Adolph um going out there and starting a game like last season over Mylan Graham because they didn't think they couldn't trust him for whatever reason. I'm thinking whatever reason Brian Hartline had, for sure, I'll believe in that because Brian Hartline's earned my trust when it comes to that.

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David Adolf.

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So like the idea that a guy like that didn't get a playing time is an issue. And we'd be like, maybe we should change this. Apparently not. Apparently not. Again, a very, very, yes, you're it's a very potentially salacious name to have, for sure.

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Potentially. Potentially.

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But yeah, so like that, like the fact that Milan Graham didn't get the playing time and now he wants to go to the portal, like that makes total sense. It the that's the thing when you get these players that now they haven't the fact they have an option, they have an out, is that it really does, you do have to give them a bone a little bit and say, hey, there is an avenue for you to become a starter here. You can't just lock them out and just say, hey, just sit here on the bench and be nice for a couple years and eventually you'll grow into the starter that we can rely on you. Like you have to give them an answer a lot sooner. You have to give them an opportunity to really show that they have an opportunity like to really grow into that player and take a role at some point. And that's where I think the the portal I think is speeding up the process of what getting onto the field is like. Not to mention, I think freaking Jeremiah Smith broke the mold of literally the whole thing was you get to the you get to Ohio State, you wait a year, and then you get your opportunity to go out there and be a starter and play. Marvin Harrison, as great as he was, you didn't hear a fucking peep out of him until the bowl game where he's a where he's alongside uh um Julian nope, Jackson Smith and Jigba in that Rose Bowl game, he gets a couple couple touchdowns, and that's when he has a coming out party. He you didn't hear from him at all in his freshman year. And then he comes out in a sophomore year and he's crazy. Mylan Graham, the guy you just talked about, he was in the same class as Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah plays right away. He's been on a rocket ship ever since. And then Mylan Graham doesn't see the field at all. I can't I can't help, but if I'm if I'm Mylan Graham, I'm like, I was a five-star wide receiver too. Why am I not getting anywhere close to the playing time as Jeremiah? He has some type of problem. He doesn't have ball skills, from what I've read, from what people have said about him. He doesn't have great ball skills. He's very quick when it comes to like catching the football and being consistent that way. Not very consistent. Again, this is talking about the Brian Hart line, like you have to be the best at everything if you're gonna be out there on the football field.

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Almost perfect, if not perfect.

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Right. Or you have to be very good to fit a specific role. Because why would I try to get you out there if I'm taking Jeremiah Smith or Cardinal Tate off the field? You better, you better be just as good at them as I'm gonna take one of those two guys off the field to get you out there. Or Brandon is trash ass. Do you know how Brandon has really got him playing time? You didn't have any else. He blocked the fuck out of everybody he saw.

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Real quick, I will give that man that. Uh, he was throwing blocks.

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Uh he would block, he would do all the dirty work. He was he's literally like the point, the white point guard on a basketball team.

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The only other receiver I know that would block like that is uh Emeka Ubuka. Umeka Ubuka's about to throw the hardest block, and it's gonna be effective. I will give him that. That's what kept him on the field. It's doing the intangibles. The shit that no receiver really does, doing them.

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He was wanting to do so.

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I'll give you that.

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That's what kept him on the field for sure, because like you said, otherwise, he wasn't all that effective on the football field. They didn't throw in the football football a lot. But when he did catch the football, he was making plays. But it's just he was willing to do the dirty work that a guy like Jeremiah wasn't necessarily there to do because you know he's there to be the Maserati of a foot of a football player going out there as a wide receiver in Carnel Tate as well. So, yeah, that's it's just the church portal is a mess. The fact that it's happening all right now, uh heck, as an Ohio State fan, I'm sitting here waiting on unbated breath for all the players that I would hope and dream to be uh be a buck guy is like, you know, one of those things that it just takes away from the whole thing a little bit of like, hey, I want to follow them as high schoolers. They get to your team, grow into the players you want them to grow into, and then play great, and then they go on to the NFL. That that whole process is being cut up a little bit. And that's the part that sucks about it. But you know, it is a fun time, if not a little bit annoying. So not I don't have that much more to talk about when it comes to the portal. I just made a decision. Let's go ahead and talk about the semifinal games, just be just in case. I'm not sure when we're gonna podcast again, either Thursday or Friday of this week. And if it is Friday, then one of the games would have happened already on Thursday night. So let's just go ahead and get to the games, um, do the preview of them real quick, and then we'll get to the NFL where we'll talk about everything we want to talk about there. So, Thursday, January 8th, um, 7.30 p.m. You have number six Olmis playing number 10 Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Miami is a three and a half point favorite. How do you think this game goes? Who are they playing again? Olmus Miami. I think Ole Miss wins this game.

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I think it's a better built team.

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I think Olmus is I think Trinidad Chambliss, their quarterback, is awesome. He's a baller. Whenever, again, this is something I want Julian Sand to have. When the guy, when the bullets are flying, can you go out there and be a stone faced killer assassin guy that can go out there and make the plays necessary when the play breaks down and make the play right? Trinidad Chambliss can do all that. Ole Miss's offense is awesome. And their defenses can't do anything, though. Like their defense lets up a lot of points, but can Miami take advantage of that? Is my question. Because I do think Miami's defense is going to be able to get a few plays and they're going to be able to slow down Ole Miss a little bit. But it's just can Miami's offense like, you know, take advantage of the moment and go out there and score the way they need to against the Ole Miss defense. That is fine, but is not overpowering. They're not going to stop you from being able to run the football. And their secondary is not great either. So if Miami wants to let it rip a little bit offensively and let um oh no, why am I forgetting his name? That's not good. The quarterback from Miami. Um Carson Beck. If they want to let Carson Beck go out there and actually throw the football around a little bit and like get it to your playmakers, Malachi Tony being the main guy, I think there really is a real opportunity to do so. And I think my I I'm gonna pick Miami to win this game just because I think that they could control the lines of scrimmage a lot more. Again, I've seen it, them do it to Ohio State. Olmes isn't near the team when it comes at the line of scrimmages that Ohio State is. So I think Miami's gonna be able to control the game, run the football effectively. But it's just if Olmus comes out there and just wants to have a back and forth type of game, I'm not sure if Miami can really keep up with that. And that's where my question does come in. And I bel I I don't know.

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I don't watch class football. I have like I saw more of the Ole Miss game than I did anything where Ole Miss was just a better team. And Ole Miss does outpace teams, which is what I think they're best at, is outpacing them. If we can keep going at this pace over and over and over again. I think that's a good thing.

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I wish Ryan Day would play like that again, like he used to.

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I agree.

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Um so much hurry up offense. We we were we were scoring 40 points a game. I wish Ryan Day would go back to that. I almost wish he felt like every year that there was no defense, so he would like have to put pedal to metal. Because I feel like once Ryan Day realized, hey, hey, I can have a really good defense.

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I don't know how to score. I don't know how to throw his mind.

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Once he did that, he he plays so conservatively.

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I agree. I agree, but we're not talking about you. You got eliminated. I know.

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Can I ask you one question? That was sad. Somebody said somebody said this and it was like perfect the way they put it. Every time Ohio State loses, it's because Ryan Day plays the way the other team wants him to play.

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Like it's scripted. They know what he's gonna do.

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No, they just they like he like falls for the trap. It's like the cheese in the trap every single time. They make him think, like, oh, you don't have to play fast. You could just play a slow game and win this out and like not go ball slow wall offensively like you used to. And it's like he falls for it every time. I just I just don't get it. Other than the Georgia game. The Georgia game back in 2021, it was pedal the metal. That I think Ryan Day did what he was supposed to do in that game, just didn't work out because our kicker fucking sucked. But other than that, for all the other losses that Ryan Day has experienced, it's because he has played the he has played the game exactly how the other team would like him to do it. And that's the part that sucks about it. And I just wish, you know, he would take a little bit like Ole Miss and go ball to the wall and try to score a lot of points. So you said you'll take Ole Miss?

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Yeah, I'll take Ole Miss.

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I'll take Miami. Again, I would more than be happy to of Ole Miss winning because actually, honestly, I don't want neither of these teams to win the national championship, to be totally honest with you. One, because Ole Miss the SEC thing, like we talked about in the last pod. And then Miami, I think their fans are fair weather fans. If Miami is shit, their fans aren't going to show up to games, they don't care. But then as soon as Miami is good, they all want to show up like they've been here the whole time and act like how good Miami is. And I'm like, dude, you weren't here five years ago when Miami was total ass and not doing anything. They've had two 10-win seasons in the past 20 years. None of y'all were here for none of that. Well, at least most of y'all weren't here for it. And you show up when things are good. So that's the part where I'm like, I don't want to hear Miami fans talk about how they've taken over College football when they don't deserve so. When they don't deserve to. Well, the f the team does, fans do not. Other game. Oregon, Indiana. Indiana is a three and a half point favorite. Honestly, if I'm rooting for somebody to win a national title, I would either one of these teams I'd be fine with. If it's Indiana, Ohio State lost them in the Big Ten championship game and played a close game. If it's Oregon, we never played them in the first place, but I can respect Oregon as a team enough to be like, okay, fine. They're a good enough team. Dan Lanning's a good enough coach. I'm okay with either of these teams winning. And it says in the Big Ten. I don't think Mendoza's is that good. He is nails.

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He'll

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Make the right play. He'll hang on to the football. When it comes to any of like the the Will Howard intangible intangibles, the thing where they were talking about Ohio State last year when Will Howard was doing everything he was doing last year during the playoff run. Mendoza's that guy. He's gonna be the intangibles guy.

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That's great. Will Howard wasn't the first overall pick.

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Oh, you're oh, you're talking about when it comes to him being a first overall pick type of guy.

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I yeah, yeah, yeah. Will Howard was a sixth round pick. Seventh? Sixth. Seventh. Okay.

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Shador's a fifth-round pick, and then Will Howard was seventh. I'm very certain. Or maybe I'm crazy. Now that I think about it. Was it sixth? Oh no, that sucks. If I'm wrong on that, I'll take that. Sixth round? Okay, my bad. My bad. But no, Mendoza is being propped up to be the number one quarterback upcoming in this upcoming draft.

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He's not that guy.

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It'll be on.

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I'll be straight up with you.

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What is that? Vegas.

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Yeah, Vegas has the opportunity to make that pick.

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Mendoza's not the number one. He's not that good.

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Because everybody talks about how big he is. He makes the right plays. He has a good enough arm.

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That's great. Go pick a defensive lineman.

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It doesn't, it doesn't have the look of me of number one overall pick.

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No, in a way that I looked at Cam Ward and I'm like, yeah, he's a number one overall pick.

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It's very obvious. Cam Ward, number one overall pick. Yeah. CJ, when I was making the CJ comp, like CJ looks like a number one overall pick. But here's the thing. Bryce Young. Even Bryce Young, if you fall for the Flash, he at least showed you Flash as a number one overall pick.

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He's played fine. He's played good. He's played good football. They almost make the playoffs. He had a game recently. He had 56 yards passing. We don't have to talk about that. He always makes the playoffs. In the way up, I look at Mendoza, and Will Howard's a great comp for Mendoza. Of I don't really think he's that special.

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In a way that's not number one overall pick type of thing. They're saying the other only other quarterback that may be of that caliber is like Dante Moore, the guy from Oregon, who is going to be playing this week for the Oregon Ducks. Like he may be do that because he is a he has more of the flash. He has the big arm. He has the accuracy. He can run around a little bit. Like it's just like to a certain extent, when you look at these players, you've watched enough college football, you can look at a player and be like, that looks like a first-round draft pick. Or even more insane, that looks like a first overall type of pick. And Joe Burrow, when he came out, instantly looked like that type of dude. And like just Mendoza, it almost feels like he's getting he's falling there based off default because there's going to be teams that need quarterbacks, and nobody, like, and there's not really a great quarterback coming out. It's going to be next year's draft where the quarterback there's going to be a lot of quarterbacks that everybody's going to be looking forward to. A la, Arch Manning, Ala. You're starting talking about the uh why am I forgetting the other quarterbacks' names? Um, oh no. That sucks. That sucks if I'm forgetting names now. But like next year's draft is supposed to be a lot bigger draft when it comes to having some real quarterbacks that have some real talent.

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But I just think it's gonna be funny. The Raiders are gonna pick him number one overall, and he's not that good.

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It's a possibility. I'm not gonna sit here and like say for sure that's gonna be the case, because I do think Mendoza, every time he's seen every like with Indiana this year, every time you've seen him, he goes out there and plays nails. He had like he makes the big throws when necessary. If you need him to slice you up, he can do that. I know.

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If you need him to run forth, he'll do like he does I know he does all the little things, but still with his comp being Will Howard. That's a great comp. I think Will Howard at his best is a starting quarterback. He is nothing special. He's the I'm gonna get you where you need to be. A good defense is what he needs to be backed. He needs to be backed by a good defense. If you're cool with scoring 24, winning a game 24-17, that's what you want from him.

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Right, yeah.

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If I'm a team like the Raiders, I need a guarantee this motherfucker is going to be the next coming of Tom Fucking Brady. Yeah. If I'm picking a quarterback number one overall. Yeah, for sure. If they're gonna pick him number one over number one overall, there's not seeming to be another option.

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If you're gonna take a quarterback, there's not like again, Dante Moore might be the closest thing to that. But there's no guarantee he even comes out because there's like who knows how that what decision is going to be made on that. I think he might because of all the quarterbacks coming out next year, but you know, I'm not gonna try to make a guess either way. But Oregon, Indiana. Oregon, great defense, they run the football very well. Dante Moore, when you give him a chance to set his feet, read the defense, can make any throw on the football field. Short, long, he can throw the deep a pretty deep ball. And as long as he doesn't make a lot of bad mistakes, which he can get stuck in a cup like every once in a while. He did do that against Indiana in the first game where they played each other earlier on this year in Oregon. I think that defensively, their defense is absolutely insane. Their defensive line is awesome. Secondary, I think, can be got. They're a little bit smaller of a defense of a secondary. So I do think Indiana with their bigger body wide receivers can get make some plays against them, which is what Indiana is very good at when it comes to throwing the deep balls back shoulders. Like Indiana's very good at that this year. And I think again, these two teams played each other already, so that I think both these teams are gonna be very aware of what each other are good at. So I just do think this is gonna be a game where the players will be the ones to decide the game. I don't think either one of these coaching staffs are gonna be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat the other team has not seen before. So I think this is about players. Um, Indiana, on the Indiana side, I think Mendoza's probably the better quarterback when it comes to just being consistent and making the plays you need to. I think the Indiana's defense is very good. I think they stopped Oregon from being able to run the football last time. And what makes you think that's gonna change now? I think Oregon actually lost a running back to like a I think a clavicle injury or something like that, so he's not gonna be able to play in this game. Again, Oregon has multiple running backs. I think another one of their running backs actually went into the portal as they're getting ready for this game. Who knows if he's still gonna play or not? But I just think all in all, I think Indiana has shown before that like they manhittled Oregon the first time that they played, and that was in Eugene, Oregon, in their house. So the idea they can go into this game, and having already seen what Oregon has as a as a punch, and I I'm gonna go Indiana to win this game. I think Kurt Signetti has a little bit of voodoo magic in him right now, to where he's really figuring stuff out and he's like he's doing what he has to do. So I'm gonna take Indiana to win this game. I agree.

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I was gonna take Indiana and win this game regardless. I think Oregon's been mid all year.

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Again, Oregon's been fine, but it's just with the injury some of the injuries that they've had, um, and the fact they've seen each other already before, like, they're not gonna be able to surprise each other. So I do think Indiana is just gonna be it's just gonna be which team is gonna be able to execute in the big moments when you absolutely need it. And I think Indiana has shown that all year, and Mendoza has shown that all year. Like when it's time to go out there and make some big plays and make some clutch plays, Indiana has definitely been the team that's been doing it a lot more off than Oregon has. So I'll take Indiana and so will Jay's to go ahead and win those games. Um without further ado. Let's go ahead and go on to the NFL. You want to talk about the coaches first? You want to talk about the games?

SPEAKER_07: 48:00

Let's do the coach carousel. Uh the Arizona coach has been fired, the Raiders head coach has been fired, the Ravens head coach has been fired. I've only just now learned this. Um The only two I know are Pete Carroll and John Harbaugh. Um the Falcons head coach has been fired. The Falcons head coach and GM have been fired. Fired them both, yeah. Uh good for them. Good decision.

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Dayball for the Giants had already been fired earlier on this year.

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Dayball had been fired.

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Same with Callahan, the Tennessee Titans head coach. Good. He needs gone too. Um I think that's it. Raheem Morris for the Falcons. Yes. Kevin Stefanski for the Browns was fired. Which I think they were stupid for firing him. I don't think he's that great of a head coach. But I think you're the you're the Browns. Who's gonna want to come here? So one who wants to go coach the Browns?

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Okay. Ooh, see, he's one that'll probably get a job pretty quickly.

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Apparently, Stefanski is like up, like he's like one of the better candidates out there because he can coach offense.

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And he's not really great with quarterbacks, though, but otherwise he knows that is he is more of an offensive head. He'd be great for the Ravens.

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Will again it they've made their choice with Lamar. If he doesn't fit with Lamar, then it's not gonna happen. He didn't I I I agree, but again he doesn't run an offense that Lamar would like anyway.

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No. Oh, yeah, no.

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But no, sir. I think firing him. You're the Browns. Like, who the hell are you gonna get? That's an obvious upgrade over him.

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I agree, I agree. But he he did have to go.

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Okay. What about that team makes you think they should have been better?

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Nothing. It's just okay. Here's what I think.

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Should he have gotten more out of Shadow?

SPEAKER_07: 49:55

Here's what I think is happening. They're keeping the GM. But they're keeping the GM too. That's the part of the thing. They're keeping the GM so that they can blame the Watson situation onto the fans. They're gonna put that all on him.

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He was getting the he was getting the massages and stuff well before he got there.

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And no, the reason they bring him over, they're gonna put that onto the fans. I again making it firing him doesn't make much sense to me. He brought you he brought you two back-to-back winning seasons, one of them was Joe Flacco. And the other 12 and 5 with Joe Flacco.

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He did not get them the 12 wins. Was that last year? Joe Flacco's with the Browns last year, I believe. They weren't 12 and 5. They were like, they were like they had like six or seven wins.

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22. Two years ago. Yes. They were 11 and 6. And then in 2020, he guys, he brought he is when he started. 11 and 5.

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Yeah, they made the playoffs with Baker and they beat the Steelers in the first round.

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Yes, and then you lost the divisional.

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So I just don't know where, like, what so here's here's my other thing. Whatever coach you have as an option to want to go take a coaching job somewhere, okay? How would I how would you as an owner convince me as a brand as a head coach to take your job when it feels like every time you hire a new guy, there's no quarterback, obviously, there as an option. Shador is the best guy on the roster, and he like looked terrible this year. I think we can both agree to that, right? Shador did not look good. He had a couple moments where it looked like he could be something.

SPEAKER_07: 51:50

Hell no, that Shador is dog shit. He's bad. He's dark shit.

SPEAKER_04: 51:53

I've been I'm trying to be nice because you were telling me I was being too big. You're being too mean earlier this year.

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I was watching him play, and I'm like, they were talking about how long he hasn't been on the field. This motherfucker's on the field, and fucking he's on, he gets they get the ball first, those an interception. And then that defense just fucking tearing the bank new one.

SPEAKER_04: 52:13

I'm glad we can agree because you were telling me I was being too mean earlier on the year.

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No, no. Shador probably was the Browns' offense was only on the field for like 10 total minutes in the game. Like 10 or 15 total minutes. And he was dog shit for all those minutes, except for the last drive where they just got close.

SPEAKER_04: 52:27

He will be an awesome backup.

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He will be a great backup.

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He will be an awesome backup for his whole career, and that is a very lucrative, lucrative job to be a part of. If you could just be a good hang, be a good backup, carry the clipboard, when you get your opportunity to have to go out there and play, don't make a lot of mistakes. But like he is not a starting quarterback in the NFL. He's just not. So if you're not going to have a quarterback, whatever coach wants to come in and coach the Browns, you don't have a quarterback ready to go. You like what like you have Miles Garrett that just had the sack record? Like, what the like your defense is fine. The defense is good. The defense is good. They have some real pieces. But here's the thing well, they won't even hold on to those pieces because their cap is ass because they paid a quarterback a go fully guaranteed contract. Not even play.

SPEAKER_06: 53:16

I see this thing in two years.

SPEAKER_07: 53:18

They're saying who's gonna come back and try to play next year. What? You need to go look at him and be like, hey, fuck off. Go away.

SPEAKER_04: 53:26

They won't do it because that means they're just giving him money for free. That's the part. So I just don't know why they they fired him because I just don't think they're gonna be able to get a better option because no coach is gonna look at that in their right mind is gonna look at this job and be like, I can change them. They've been the Cleveland fucking Browns for the last 20-something years, and they've been ass. I don't think there's any coach out there that's gonna look at this, look at this spot and be like 26 years. 26 years.

SPEAKER_07: 53:57

They came back in 2000.

SPEAKER_04: 53:58

So like I just don't think there's gonna be any coach out there that's gonna look at this team and be like, I can be the one to change them. I just don't, I just don't see it. Um and like you said, Zafanski, he will get hired pretty quickly by somebody. Like, no question. Do you know where he might where he might work? Who? Imagine what he could do with the Falcons a lot. He knows how to use tight ends. He think about what he did with Njoku over these last five years.

SPEAKER_07: 54:23

Like, what would he do with Harold Fannon this year?

SPEAKER_04: 54:25

Harold Fannon this year?

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Like then he was a dog coming out of Bowling Green, anyhow.

SPEAKER_04: 54:29

He was. He was you were talking about him pretty early last year. I have to give you that.

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You were so locked in on him. The Bengals would love tight ends. Draft Harold Fannon. Dude, he won. What was it? He won. Every major Mac award, he won. He was killing it. It's just he was at bowling green. Yeah. And I'm like, when does the the Mac them being from a Mac school stop mattering? I thought it I thought it stopped mattering when fucking Khalil Mack came out of Buffalo and was whooping on Ohio State during a fucking scrimmage where he was in the backfield. That boy was dogging y'all in the backfield. Now, y'all was y'all still went for like a shit ton of points. Yeah. This was a long time ago now. Y'all still fucked them up.

SPEAKER_04: 55:16

But you could tell he was the he was on flashing.

SPEAKER_07: 55:19

Of and this is why he was a top ten fucking pick. Yeah. He was a great game breaker. Harrow Fan was like a third-round pick. Second in a second round pick.

SPEAKER_06: 55:26

Yeah, you know what the Bengals did with that second round pick?

SPEAKER_07: 55:29

We drafted Brandon Knight. Fuck.

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Fuck.

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You know who did that with that first round pick? Drafted Shamar Stewart. Harold Fan would have made more sense to that fucking first round pick than Shamar Stewart would have. I apparently okay, sorry. I was talking about the Bengals. Just one second. They put out a post saying, hey, we've signed 12 players from free agency or to a one-year deal. And I'm like, who are those 12 players? Tell me right the fuck now who those 12 players are, and I'll tell you if they're worth a damn.

SPEAKER_04: 55:56

Let me guess. None of them were really worth a damn?

SPEAKER_07: 55:58

I don't know. There's no list. I would assume one of them's Osai. One of them's probably Murphy.

SPEAKER_04: 56:08

I think he's still under the contract.

SPEAKER_07: 56:11

No, 2020. He was drafted in 2020.

SPEAKER_04: 56:15

Oh, okay.

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2021. So no, he's not.

SPEAKER_04: 56:19

Yeah, but they didn't draft in the first round or was the second round pick?

SPEAKER_07: 56:22

He was the first round pick.

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And you get the fifth year option.

SPEAKER_07: 56:28

We used Dax Hills, apparently. Because he should have been off the team this year, but we used it as Yeah. And then he got injured on the play that he gave up to Jared Judy just for them to get the elbow.

SPEAKER_04: 56:48

Speaking of Bengals' decisions, you're giving your coach?

SPEAKER_07: 56:53

Coach and GM.

SPEAKER_04: 56:54

I don't get the GM part. Like that's the part that I'm that.

SPEAKER_07: 56:58

This nigga can't draft.

SPEAKER_04: 56:59

He can't draft.

SPEAKER_07: 57:00

If I'm the owner, I'm looking at the$23 million I gave Shamar Stewart and looking at the GM like.

SPEAKER_03: 57:07

What the fuck we doing?

SPEAKER_07: 57:08

I'm cheap.

SPEAKER_03: 57:09

What the fuck we doing?

SPEAKER_07: 57:10

What do we he's ass?

SPEAKER_03: 57:12

Yes.

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You're fired. Real quick. The fact that we drafted Shamar Stewart and he was dog shit by the fourth game. I'm looking at the GM like this. Hey. Hey, bro. He doesn't have a tackle yet. I'm gonna pull up his stat line real quick.

SPEAKER_04: 57:33

I'm just looking at the guys that were drafted after him. Um let's see.

SPEAKER_07: 57:38

We're looking at like you took at 19. Who's a dog?

SPEAKER_04: 57:41

Derek Harmon, who was a dog. Um let's see. Other defensive players. Oh, James Pierce Jr. Falcons, he did very good for the Falcons this year. Yeah, he did. He had drafted at 26. Malachi Starks, another safety. That'd have been nice to have another safety. Um he got drafted at 27 to the um Baltimore Ravens. Um we got Maxwell Harrison, corner, got drafted to the Buffalo.

SPEAKER_07: 58:11

At 30.

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At 30, he would have been a great pick. You guys definitely need some secondary help. Uh Jihad Campbell, the linebacker out for Alabama. Again, you took Brandon Knight in the second round. He was a great pick. But like, though there were some real players taken after you took Shamar Stewart that were a lot more, that did a lot more as players than what Shamar Stewart did. So, no, I just don't your GM keeping his job. Again, the GM coach, they both should be fired. No questions asked. Apparently, when it comes to Um Coach Taylor, they were saying that Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins all stood up for him and said they wanted to keep him. Why were the fuck would you do that? Why would you do that? I I just don't get I don't get what the I just I just don't I just don't know what what the whole process is. Again, I know the owner doesn't want to spend extra money if he doesn't have to, but Taylor was on an expiring deal.

SPEAKER_07: 59:17

You know who was also very good who was drafted in the second round?

SPEAKER_04: 59:20

What?

SPEAKER_07: 59:20

Mike Green from Marshall.

SPEAKER_04: 59:22

Oh yeah, from the Ravens. He had three. He had four. Okay, he did have some some issues that led to him being drafted in the second round.

SPEAKER_07: 59:29

We watched fucking Joe Mixon beat the dog shit out of his girlfriend on CCTV. That's a second round pick right there. An early second round pick. He was like the third pick. He was like the I think he was like the sixth pick off the board.

SPEAKER_04: 59:49

That's a fucking point. I got nothing. I got nothing on that one. I got nothing on that one. You've seen the video. I got nothing on that one. I got nothing on that one.

SPEAKER_07: 59:58

You've seen it, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 59:59

Everything.

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Everybody's seen it. Everybody saw it. He played another year at Oklahoma, ran for like 1200. Mang was like, I can live with that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:06

Nobody asked any questions. No questions asked. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I'm just saying Mike Green. That's a point.

SPEAKER_07: 1:00:13

Also a linebacker.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:15

Picked at 30, 60 in the second round, who was made some plays the other night with the Ravens.

SPEAKER_07: 1:00:22

Who was a, if we're gonna be honest, was a first round talent that got drafted in the second round because of his issues. And the Ravens don't care about issues. They say Ray Lewis murdered somebody. The Ravens said murder who hasn't been proven.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:40

Ray Rice beats people? What? He does that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:43

They did get rid of him. I'll give him that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:46

It takes a while. It takes like another six months. They wait until the season's finished. They didn't wait till the season finished. And then got rid of him.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:55

Yeah.

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They don't care about massages either.

SPEAKER_07: 1:00:58

They don't. We're winning football. But again, like, what the fuck? I understand. Whatever. No, I don't. This nigga sucks. This nigga sucks.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:12

Like, imagine if you fired Zach Taylor, right? Imagine if you couldn't have got could have gotten a coach like um the DC from Minnesota. I don't know why I'm forgetting his name.

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I don't know his name either.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:26

Hold on.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:27

Hold on. It's a big name too.

SPEAKER_07: 1:01:30

DC for. Ooh, Josiah Stewart. The Rams. He was good too.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:37

Brian Flores. Imagine getting Brian Flores as a defensive head coach to then fix the defense and then be able to have Joe Burrow. Again, you're gonna get an offense coordinator in there to run the offense, but it's a Joe Burrow offense, let's be honest here. Imagine getting able to get a guy like that to fix your defense while also still getting you better coaching. Zach Taylor is not a good fucking coach at all. I just I don't get it, man. I I don't get it at all. And Sefancy's also an option that you could have gone. Braheem Morris, the guy who was fired from the Falcons, a defensive head coach, that would have been a great pickup for a team like the like the Bengals, who the defense is always the issue. Again, the defense got better throughout the year, but it's still nowhere near good enough for a team that like wants to get back to being a prominence with a quarterback that you have. But like there's just so many different options you could have had that even if there's a chance that it could get worse. I don't think Zach Taylor is good enough for you to be like, oh, what if we can't get better than Zach Taylor? Like you should not like the Ravens when they fired Harbaugh. Jack Sawyer? That's a real question. Fourth round pick. Yeah. Third round pick. Yeah, third round pick. Fourth. Fourth. So there you go. Fourth round pick. And he made he actually made some bones on the Steelers' defense or shit.

SPEAKER_07: 1:02:51

Two receptions. Yeah. And two sacks. Exactly. Um, my bad. Let me go back to the first round and look at Shamar Stewart's that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:59

I I just I just think that like when the Ravens fired Harbaugh, there was a real conversation to be had, like, hey, who was gonna be an upgrade over Harbaugh? The Bengals should not be having that fear with Zach Taylor and like, can we get somebody better than him? Like, obviously, you can get somebody better.

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Can you take a guess? How many solo tackles this nigga had? Twenty. You're too high. Fifteen. You're too high. Ten. You're too high. Five. Five. Five. How many games did he play?

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:01

Eight games played. Eight games played and five games started.

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Yeah, that's bad. Not good.

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Not good. Good. It's awful.

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Fourth round pick jacks were at sixteen.

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Yeah.

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And two interceptions. This nigga's ass.

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Yeah, he wasn't even a starter. He was a fourth string guy. Hilarious. I I just I just think for the Bengals in general, I just don't know what their whole thinking is behind any other decision when it comes to the GM or coach. I just think that they I think they should have easily just like said, hey, I get it. They've put a lot of top a lot of picks, draft picks in defensive players, and not a lot of them have worked. That's on the that's that's the GM's job to make sure when you put these picks in for defensive players that they actually work out. And it's on the coach to make sure the team plays up to the standard on a year-in-year-out basis with your quarterback, without your quarterback, and he doesn't do his job all that well either. So I don't get the idea keeping him, it doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_07: 1:05:04

For reference, Emeka Abuka had four tackles, just throwing that out.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:10

Mike McDaniel for the um for Miami, he hasn't been fired yet either. I think he's another one that's like, why hasn't he been fired yet? Like the they don't believe again, he's a great offensive mind, but outside of that, their team isn't good. They don't believe in him as a head coach, the whole team is an absolute mess. They need a new quarterback. I'm like, this should be an easy point for them to try to hit the reset button on what that team is right now, and they haven't done that either. That's another team where I'm like, why haven't you fired your guy yet? Um speaking back to guys that were fired, Pete Carroll for the Vegas for Vegas was fired. I don't know what like again, I think it was a miscalculation of everybody in that on that team thinking that team was gonna be a lot better than what it was. Because that's like why would you have taken why would you have taken um I'm gonna think of figuring running back's name? Genty, why would you have taken Genty if you felt if like unless you felt like he was gonna be the last piece of like you being a good team?

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I needed so much more.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:13

And you went and took Geno Smith as a bridge quarterback that's like a little bit older, but he's done it before, and he's like gives you a floor to a certain extent, which again, he that floor broke because he was ass this year in a way that he's never been that ass before.

SPEAKER_07: 1:06:25

Stop playing, stop playing, stop playing, stop playing. You lied.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:27

No, I'm saying he was much worse than he had ever been.

SPEAKER_07: 1:06:29

Nah, you you don't remember Jets then.

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I'm talking about the new version of him, like after the Jets.

SPEAKER_07: 1:06:37

There is no after the Jets. It's just surviving.

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I I just think that all in all, that was a gross miscalculation on in everybody involved. Again, Pete, somebody has to fall for it, so Pete Carroll was gonna be the one. Tom Brady isn't gonna be gone. He's still gonna be there because he's a part owner. But like, I just think that all in all, that Vegas team was all around, just straight up built for disaster. And maybe this is the perfect time because they can have the number one overall pick, maybe get your quarterback and then have a new head coach to kind of build build it all from the ground up.

SPEAKER_07: 1:07:09

Pete Carroll couldn't have predicted how bad Gino was about to be.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:13

True, but I also I just also think that you just didn't, even if Gino was great, they weren't gonna have many more wins than what they had. So I'm just sitting there like you miscalculated how good this team was gonna be. And again, Pete Carroll at 74 years old is not a guy that's sitting here, like, hey, let's have a five-year plan as to how to fix this team and get it back to prominence. That's just not again, he's a very young, young 70-something-year-old man. Like, he is very energetic for being as old as he is, but like this having a five-year plan is not a great option for a guy of his age. So, uh again, it's just like you would have liked to. I don't know why he picked that job in the first place. I just don't know how. I never thought he was gonna get another head coaching job in the first place. Maybe that's just something I we should just consider a lucky thing that he had still had the opportunity to do for one last time. I don't think he's gonna get another job. I just think that Pete Carroll's time has passed, but a weird spot, a weird one-year thing altogether. Jonathan Gannon, as you said, for the Arizona Cardinals. You know, he had been there for three years. For the Cardinals, Jonathan Cannon? He I totally forgot he had been there that long.

SPEAKER_07: 1:08:22

He was dog shit. He deserved to be fired. He was ass. He probably should not have kept his job for as long as he did.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:28

I didn't I didn't notice he was there for three years. I I I just like I just I don't know. Like, I think his record overall was four, what were they four and thirteen this year? They were eight and nine during in 2024. Oh, they were 15 and 36 over three years. And I'm like, the Cardinals are not a bad team. Like they're not over, like they have they have missing pieces, but the fact that they were as bad as they were this year with the talent they have on that roster, again, they're probably gonna have to get good at Kyler Murray. They probably have to get a different option, a different guy at quarterback, but they have some real bones as a team, and the fact that he hasn't been able to do all that well with the Cardinals, especially defensively, their defense hasn't been great.

SPEAKER_07: 1:09:15

It has not got rid of him.

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And he's supposed to be a defensive guy. So it makes sense they got rid of him. Harbaugh, the Ravens, like I said, like we've kind of talked about before, it almost felt like they chose between Harbaugh and uh Lamar. It felt like him and Lamar weren't necessarily all of good terms throughout this last month or two. Injury, the injury situation with like Harbaugh saying he's good, and then or he's like saying, Oh, we're just gonna trust in Lamar, but not having a real answer about Lamar when he's missing all these games, on top of the fact that like it felt like his voice was getting stale in that organization. Again, I know this all too well with being a Steelers fan and having the same questions asked about Mike Tomlin. The difference is that the the Ravens have a quarterback they can believe can be their future for the most part. He's still a relatively young guy in his NFL career. And for the Steelers, we don't have that sort of guy to be able to kind of make that distinction to make you think you could do more, and not to mention with Harbaugh being there and having like other than this one Super Bowl, they've had a lot of times where they've underachieved with the talent they've had on that roster, and at some point you do have to put that on the coach for not getting the team where it needs to go. And I don't know, I again, like I said before, can the Ravens get an obvious upgrade over John Harbaugh? Is my question.

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Because let's be honest, there's no shot.

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We'll talk about the game, how that game ended in a minute, because I felt like once he lost that game, his job was gone. Yeah, you lose one player in your defense, and your defense goes from being pretty decent to being straight ass. Kyle Hamilton's awesome, but losing a safety should not be the difference between you having a relatively working defense to being totally awful. Bro, you in the same boat. We lost TJ Watt for three weeks and we still managed to win games.

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First year that's ever happened.

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A defensive end is a hot is a higher level of need than a safety is. For defense, a defensive end is a lot higher on the priority board than a safety. Again, Kyle Hamilton is awesome. I'm not saying anything against that. I'm just saying for a team of the Ravens um caliber that is known for their defense, the fact you lose one guy and your defense goes to complete ass is a problem. On top of the fact you you have been underperforming with Lamar having MVP seasons and not getting that far in the playoffs. So I just think all in all, especially if Lamar and him weren't necessarily on the same page in general, they were going to pick Lamar no matter what because he's their current he's their current timeline. And you as long as you have him, you have a window that potentially can be open for a Super Bowl. But it's just that that team was a lot worse. That team was a lot worse than what it was told to us that they were going to be coming into the year. Lamar was hurt for a decent amount of the time, like all these things going against it. But I just think that I don't know. I don't I just don't think Lamar, like John Harbaugh, was the reason that they were losing all these games because I think that he's not the one making decisions when it comes to building the team. The Ravens and the Steelers are very much built alike when it comes to no one man has total control over everything. It is a very wee organization. We're gonna do this thing together, and the coach doesn't have a over like too much control in any situation. So if the team is ass, I don't think that's John Harbaugh's the John Harbaugh's fault necessarily. Well, I also think that if on the field they're not doing the things they need to do, I think you do need to blame that on him a little bit. But again, I just don't I just don't know if you're gonna get an upgrade over what John Harbaugh was for that Ravens team. But again, you have to do it at some point. Again, I'm as a Steelers fan, I know that that some point we're gonna have to get like have Mike Tomlin not be there anymore and see if you can have a life outside of having that coach because you haven't really gotten to where you want to go with him. So again, I admire the Ravens for being willing to try. Because I think the Steelers for so long have been getting the same voice out of Mike Tomlin and not necessarily getting different results. So like maybe it's one of those things that like if it works out, you're awesome. But if it doesn't, everybody's gonna be questioning you and asking, like, hey, why'd you get rid of such a good head coach? Because he's gonna go get hired right away. The apparently the Giants are calling him again. The six other teams practically have called it asking for him to be their coach.

SPEAKER_07: 1:13:41

Dude, you're right about the Browns, they're not getting an improvement over Stefansky. You were for sure fucking right about it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:48

I guess hardball would be.

SPEAKER_07: 1:13:49

Yeah, but he's not, I don't want to go back to the box.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:51

But he's not, but he's not an offensive guy. He's he was a special teams coordinator before he was head coach. So like he's not an offensive or defensive guy.

SPEAKER_07: 1:13:59

Good team for the Giants.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:01

Yeah, because you need like you need an adult that can like run the team and do what they need to do. Especially if a young quarterback, like that's something he would be perfect. He'd be good for again for any of those jobs because he's just a grown man of ad coach.

SPEAKER_07: 1:14:16

25 years.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:19

Well, let me see here. Uh 14. Well, no, that was 14 years ago he had he went to the Super Bowl. Um eighteen years. He won two Super Bowls. One. He only has one. Yeah. With the Joe Flacco here. That's crazy. Yeah, but I think about it this way. Tomlin's been at the Steelers longer and only has one Super Bowl. How many Super Bowls does Big Ben have?

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Two?

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:48

He has two. He had one with Cower as the head coach, then one with Tomlin. So I don't know. I again I I I just see Harbaugh and Tomlin as like mirror images of each other. So I just think if one has to go, I think it's only Destin that the other one will go sooner rather than later. That's all the jobs. Okay, if you had to rank the jobs in order, if you had to go top five available coaching jobs, which how would you rank them? The best or worse?

SPEAKER_07: 1:15:20

Best or worse.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:21

Best the Ravens. Best be the Ravens. Okay, that's one. Let me give you the rest of the teams. Titans.

SPEAKER_07: 1:15:34

The Falcons.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:35

Falcons, too, I agree. Most ready-made off offense. Yeah, they have a lot of. They have their team, especially their defense. They won the last four games they played this year, by the way. I again, Ramir Morris, real quick, they fired him because of the decision that they made two years ago when they gave Kirk Cousins all that money and then drafted a first-round quarterback that dealing with a bunch of knee injuries, and then guess what?

SPEAKER_07: 1:15:57

Injury concerns, dude. Yes. Gets hurt, and then he wasn't really all that great before he got injured. The Giants.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:02

Giants three. Okay. They have a quarterback that you can believe in. They have a good D they have a good defensive line. You're gonna get your receiver back. Like they have they have a way to kind of build, yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:16

I'd say the Titans is next best, mostly because you get full control. You can only build from here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:25

Would you rather be the Titans or Cardinals? I think the Titans have a quarterback.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:29

Which is why it's the Titans.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:31

But the Cardinals have the Cardinals have other pieces.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:34

Yes. They don't have the quarterback and they're not a top five pick. They're not a high enough pick to get a lock at quarterback. It's the Titans.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:40

True. Okay, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:41

The quarterback's the hardest piece to find. The Titans have found it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:44

Yeah, they have it, yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:45

A lot easier to bring players in on free agency. Yeah. And you can draft a little more freely because now you're just drafting for everything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:52

True.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:53

I just think that. And then it would be the Cardinals. The Cardinals would be next.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:56

But imagine if they like if they got like a Kirk Cousins.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:59

Who?

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:00

The Cardinals. Got to run their offense.

SPEAKER_07: 1:17:02

No. No. Shut the fuck up. They don't want a Kirk Cousins. They want to start over.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:08

It's like a bridge guy.

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He's not a bridge guy. He's like I'm bleaching you for 120. And you can't trade my ass. No. Not a bridge guy. He's a fuck you over. You're capped hell now. No. The Cardinals is next. Then it's the Browns. Because at least they have an established defense. Then it's the Raiders.

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You put them over the over the Raiders?

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The Raiders have the most incompetent fucking front office. They have the number one overall pick. And they don't have a lock at quarterback. They don't. And they have no lock of Fernando Mendoza's going to be phenomenal. He has shown me nothing in college that he is phenomenal. We started it, we said this earlier. We can both agree. He has shown nothing and he's phenomenal. He's the I can do everything right, guy. Will Howard is a sixth round pick, and Will Howard has more than Mendoza does. Will Howard's bigger. Will Howard's stereotypical size? Will Howard has a better fucking arm? Sixth round pick. Yeah? So no, the Raiders are the worst. Y'all gave Gino how much?

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They gave him like they gave him like they gave him like 30 million. No, they gave him more than that. Hold on, let me see. He was getting paid a lot. Gino Smith contract. Two-year 75 mil. Um with 66 and a half mil guaranteed.

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Yeah, they gave him a lot of money.

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For sure. Again, that comes off the books real quick, though. It was only a two-year deal. But still, I get what you're saying. I just think that maybe the opportunity of building, because even if you don't fall in love with a quarterback, if there's some smuck of a team that falls in love with Fernando Mendoza and wants to give you a first round pick and more, like you can like super like set up a rebuild pretty quickly and then be good going into next year with a like a big quarterback class for you to have your options if you have multiple first round pick. Name their second round pick.

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The GM they kept, by the way, drafted these guys. Name their second round pick.

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Second round pick for the Raiders?

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Yes. Name their second round pick. Was it a lineman? No. Who was it? Jack Bach. Beck. Tight end? No! Who was it? They drafted a white wide receiver from TCU. You don't know who that is.

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No, I don't. I have no idea who that is. A white wide receiver? That's where we're at.

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Darien Porter was their third round pick. Who the fuck is that? Got nothing on that. Uh can you name the receiver they drafted from Tennessee?

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No clue.

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God can't either. He has 17 drop passes.

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Not good.

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They didn't have a fifth round pick, thank God. So can't even trust the GM to draft. The GM can't draft.

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Okay. If they didn't fire him, then that that is a problem. Because you now have a boss that you know can't even do the job right.

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So I found to do with less um um tackles than Jamar Stewart. It was the Raiders' fifth round pick. Mind you, they had three. Why did he why do the Raiders think it's a good idea to draft wide receivers? I don't know. I have no clue for you.

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Brock Bowers worked though, but he's a tight end. Kind of cheating. Brock Bowers was a lock. Oh, yeah, for sure. That kind of fell in the room.

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They drafted a receiver from Montana State. Okay.

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Lots of L's. Lots of L's from that, from the when it comes to drafting.

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Montana State.

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But Tom Brady's there, though. He's in great event.

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Montana State. Montana State. What division of football do they play in?

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I don't know. No clue.

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I literally have never heard of Montana State.

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I've heard of Montana State, but when it comes to football, I've never watched them play a game in my life.

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They drafted a quarterback from North Dakota State. That's worked before.

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Carson Wentz? Are you deadass? He got he almost won an MVP. I You could say that was a that was a success story. He was one game away from winning MVP. Well, a couple games away.

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I literally do not know.

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He has a Super Bowl ring.

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I literally do not know. Who the fuck is that? What high school team is that?

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Montana State Bobcats. What? What?

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What? What?

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Their logo does like look like a create a team logo. I'm not gonna lie to you. Straight off college. That's wild. Tab it disrespectful, but it is what it is.

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Bro, who?

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He hasn't. Why does he have a job? You're telling me the GM does not doing his job whatsoever.

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Why was his best pick Ash Gingti? And he was dog ass.

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Yeah. Again, Genty, I can't blame I can't blame Genty for all of this. Genty's only problem that is that he's not Saquon. He's not a generational running back. That's his problem. But he's a really good back. He's just not Saquon. Okay, fine. There's a lot of running backs that aren't Saquon or Bichon. So, you know, it is what it is.

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Alright. So I I think you've talked me into the Chad McMillan was eight. Colton Loveland was ten. Yeah. Michael Williams wasn't great. Dart was twenty-five. And y'all took a running back.

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Heck, I think the Raiders used the first round pick last year on a not this past draft, but the draft before. No, twenty-four.

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Oh I got you. Brock Powers, no, twenty-five. You meant twenty-three.

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Yeah, it was twenty-three. The on the defensive end that Lily we've never seen him do.

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I re Wilson.

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Haven't seen him do shit since they drafted him. It was like a pick seven. Like they used they used a very high pick on him.

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He has 12 total sacks. He was pick seven, you were right. You know, Bijan was pick eight. Jalen Carter was pick nine.

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Right.

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Lucas Vanessa, who he's not amazing, but he was 13. This was a crazy defensive draft. Draft. Christian Gonzalez was 17.

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Yeah. No question.

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Yeah, it was a crazy draft. And there were some real dudes after that that like Yeah.

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Nolan Smith.

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Yeah, for Philly.

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Nolan dude, Jalen Carter being at fucking at nine.

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Like that would have been such an easy pick for them.

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Again.

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Right. There's some real dudes that are picked after, for sure. We'll make Donald the defensive end for the Jets. He's like their number one defensive end. He's still he's very good. So shit.

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Juliet Perder Jr. was a second round pick.

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Technically a first round pick, because there's only 30, 31 picks in that first round.

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BJ Ola Olo Olojari? Olojari. Olojari.

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Yeah, yeah, Ojolari. His last name. Sorry. BJ Ojolari. That's what it is. But yeah, that it's again, so you I think you've convinced me that the Browns might be higher up than Brian Branch!

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These niggas suck. That is the that is the worst job. The Browns are definitely a better job.

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Yeah, I'll I'll give you that.

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Because at least there is pieces to a team. Your GM's literally deficient. He's deficient.

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I I would say that the GM for the Browns is not really all that but much better. But there are pieces there that you can at least be like, hey, there's something here.

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Unlike the The Browns took Mason Graham. And he was he's he's been he's been pretty good.

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And they do have first two first round picks this year.

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The Browns can draft better.

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Not quarterback.

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No, but Carson Schwishinger. 62 tackles.

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Schwishwinger?

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Yeah, 67 tackles.

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Before he broke his leg is pretty good.

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Again, quinch on Jenkins. Pretty much. No, this nigga can draft. No, no, no, no. That that GM nose ball. Uh not when it comes to quarterback, but every other position on the field. That man knows ball. Harold Fannon Jr., third round. That man knows ball. Uh, not that well. He also drafted Dylan Gabriel. Uh, so not that well. He don't know that much ball. No, no. It still stands. Just don't let that man draft a quarterback. Dylan Sampson, again, was a good secondary guy. He was he is he when he got his chances, he played well, for sure. Again, but he was better when he was the on the on the two back. When he was the main back, he was trash.

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And let's be honest, he was kind of taken over by this other running back called Rocket Sanders that they had on their roster. Such a fire. He got even more carries than Samson did.

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Thank God you're good at football. Because you don't have a sales job with the name Rocket.

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Yeah. I think his name was Raheem. But I think Rocket was his nickname.

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Sorry, bro. I'm just. The Browns are better because at least I can say their GM can draft other things. Their GM can draft everything else.

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Having a GM, if he's going to keep the GM is going to keep their job too, you do have to keep that in mind. So no, I agree with you. I agree with you.

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So the Browns are six, but the Raiders are definitely seven.

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Alright. Let's go ahead and get to the NFL games, run through these, because really there weren't that many great games on this on this slate. We're going to kind of roll through through these, not really take all that much time on them, hopefully, and we'll go from there. So start with the Saturday games. Um, Panthers Buccaneers was the first game on Saturday. Buccaneers won the game 16-14. This game sucked. It was awful. It got a little bit close there at the end because it was a little bit of back and forth. Carolina was able to come back and make the game a little bit closer, but Tampa Bay was able to hang on and win that game. But here's the thing: for all the fucking effort that they used to win that game, it didn't fucking matter. Yeah, and didn't matter because of the Falcons winning their game, sent it into a three-way tie, and then because of the three-way tie, the Carolina Panthers still won, got the winner, got the um got the nod to go to the playoffs over Tampa Bay. Might be one of the biggest collapses of a team that I can ever think of because if they started the season, I think Tampa Bay started their season like eight and one, two, three, four, three and one, five and one, six and two, seven and two. They started their season seven and two. And they end the season at eight and nine. So the idea that they spent all that time losing all these games. They had bad injury timings, too. They did, but I'm just sitting here like it just fell apart so fast. And here's the thing, when they got most of their when they got Mike Evans back, when they got um, who was the other wide receiver back?

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Um Mecca.

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No, not a Mecca. Yes, got they got what Godwin back. They had all three receivers and they still were bad. Again, Baker did get an injury on his non-throwing shoulder, which is like one of those things because you when you get an injury like that, it can impact you and everything that you want to do, but you're out there still playing. So when you're out there and not playing well, people are looking at you like, what's wrong? So I can get the idea that maybe the injury was an issue that he has to get over, and maybe once he's healthy, he'll be able to play better. But it just the whole team fell apart. Their defense was absolutely atrocious this year, without a question. Their defense was ass throughout the year. So I don't know. I again they didn't deserve to make the playoffs. I don't think anybody in the NFC deserves to make NFC South. None of them deserve to make the playoffs. The fact that they the Panthers get to host a playoff game. Crazy, dude. Let me go be over there. It should literally be a rule that if you're under 500 and win your division, you should not be able to host a playoff game.

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There's years where there's three teams in a division that are above 500. And they like uh 2020 is a great example.

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Oh, you got oh man, because it's a it's a good one this year.

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All three of us just lost to each other. All four teams just had lost to the to each other. I think we all had split every game.

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Standings. I'm about to look this up because I think there are teams that have that did not make the playoffs that had better records. Um, let's see here.

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Let's see here.

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Minnesota Vikings didn't make the playoffs, they're at 9-8. Detroit Lions didn't make the playoffs, they're at 9-8. Um, you had like, think about it this way. The NFC West, there are two teams in that division that both won 12 games and that don't get to host a playoff game. Seattle was 14-3, the Rams are 12-5, and uh San Fran was 12-5. And the two San Fran and LA don't get to host a playoff game. And the Panthers do. That's the part that sucks. If you're under 500, you win your division. You should not get to host a playoff game. That's the like again, it sucks this keeps happening because it's always NFC South where this happens. It's like pretty much that's been the division for the last five, ten years or so. There's a if there's an awful team coming in and that makes the playoffs, it's always the NFC South. But like, there's no reason the Panthers should be hosting a playoff game by any means. Um, next game, Seattle and the Niners. This game was not as fun as it was the first time.

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Nope.

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It was not.

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Seattle's defense. Seattle's defense totally dominated this game. They won 13-3. I just felt like San Fran, they had a couple guys they weren't playing in this game. Kittle got hurt and didn't really finish the game like he would like he needed to. Christian McCaffrey, you could just tell he wasn't the same self. They felt like they were Christian McCaffrey had played so well the game before, you can you can totally understand him not playing as well in this game. Again, the Seattle defense is awesome. And even with Sam Darnell not playing as well, he went 20 of 26 for 198. Like he would like the Seattle defense is a defense that can like really put you in a bad spot. And I think San Fran was is not ready for this moment to be able to kind of like win that game. I agree. And Brock Purdy, as great as he was the game before against the Bears, it was a that was a dogfight where they played their hearts out and it was a very hard-hitting game. Brock Purdy just kind of came back down to earth a little bit. He went 19-27, 127 yards, zero touchdowns in a pick. So I just think that these teams will probably see each other again in the playoffs for the most part. And I think that it sucks the Niners do have to go and play Philly in the first round. Because I just think that the Niners having the issues that they have on the offensive line when it comes to injuries and stuff, now you have to go face a ferocious Eagles defense. That's the part where I think the Niners kind of get screwed over in this scenario. But you know, it's one of those things. I just think that again, going back to the fact that the Panthers get to possibly off game in this scenario was insane. Um, next game, Falcons Saints. Falcons won the game 19-17. Mr. Kirk Coach had a good game. Eight actually had an okay game. 18-32, 180 yards, one touchdown, one pick. Um didn't compare to Tyler Shuck, though. Can I ask you a question? Is Tyler has Tyler Shuck showed you enough to where he can be like egots next year? I think I've been converted. I'm not gonna lie to you. I was not a Tyler Shuck believer at all. But his last four or five games that he has played this year, I see something. I'm not sure if it's anything I like I can think can like translate long term.

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Yeah.

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But I think you should have next year to figure it out. The Saints pick at eight.

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Uh so they're not high enough to quarterback. So I think they have no option.

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But I feel c I feel I feel good about Tyler Shuck. Oh, okay. Really? You you don't like I didn't think I'd be the one more positive about Tyler Shuck than you. Can I give you his last couple of games that he had?

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Yeah, go ahead.

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This last game against the Falcons, 23 of 35 for 259 yards, one touchdown, one pick.

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Okay.

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This was as a help because Tennessee's awful. Um, Tennessee, he went 20 in a win, 22 of 27 for 333 yards, two touchdowns, zero picks. The game before that, again, they won four games in a row, and this was all while he was starting. Um game before that, he played played the Jets. Again, it's the Jets, 32 of 49 for 308 yards, one touchdown, zero picks. Carolina, the game before that, they won 24 of 32 for 272 and a touchdown. And then the last one I'll talk about, the fifth game, is at Tampa Bay. They won that game. He went 13 of 20 for 144 and zero touchdowns in a pick, but I think that game he actually had two touchdowns rushing. Okay. Let me make sure I'm not crazy. He had two touchdowns rushing. He had seven carries for 55 yards and two touchdowns. I think I've seen enough. I think just give him next year. Again, they're not high enough to get a quarterback this year. But let him go figure it out next year. I think he can he can throw. And he can move. Like he can actually run around a little bit. Man, he's like 36. He's like 26. As a rookie quarterback that is old. I will, I will, I will totally agree with the fact that 26, 27 years old means that he may be at his ceiling as a quarterback. But I think where he's at right now, I think he is a starter in the NFL if he continues to at least improve and just play consistent football.

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Alright, bro.

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Okay. I I didn't think I'd be the one more positive about this. I really thought that you were about to be like, yeah, I totally agree. Okay, all right, all right, fine. I'm not we're not gonna agree at all at all times. Um, next game Browns Bengals. Um Browns win the game 20 to 18. Burrow does his thing. 29 of 39, 236, three touchdowns, one pick. Here's what I'll say as much as I talk shit about Aaron Rodgers worrying about Miles Garrett all game, I could Joe Burrow was worried about it.

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Yeah.

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Like you could just tell every time Joe Burrow, like, there was a time where they like they put um Miles Garrett on the other side of the offensive line that he's he's neck on the defensive line that he's never on, and Joe Burrow noticed and ran the opposite way, knowing that where he was coming from.

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Shit, the one where he was running, and he's like trying to look find out a field, and he looked over his shoulder and it was there.

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Dude, I was zoomed on his face. This thing went. He started booking it! He started booking that bitch, and as soon as Miles Garrett saw him start to book it, he slowed down.

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They held on for so long.

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Like five minutes left, five minutes left the fourth quarter, and this nigga would not have had that fucking record. And I would have fucking slowed.

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Oh, you're telling me I I would have been more than happy to come on here and talk shit about Miles Garrett if he didn't get that sack record.

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Again, the fact he didn't get it earlier, he's been at that fucking record for a while.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So like he should have got that shit a little earlier.

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But again, he got it. I think it was kind of giving a little bit because I think Joe Bird's kind of laid down, but you know, he didn't even try to fight it.

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Again, but the same should happen.

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Again, again, he should have gotten it before. Like the fact that he has been hanging on for two games, two or three games without getting a sack, fine. He was gonna get it anyway, I already accept had accepted that. But do you did you hear about all the player, like, did you hear Jamar Chase and your favorite coach, um, Zach Taylor, complaining about the stoppage of the game when Miles Garrett got the sack, and they were like, Why'd you stop the game when he broke the sack record? I'm like, I feel like you're an idiot if you knew that sack record was potentially gonna get broken, and that they weren't like the thing they were trying to keep tempo. I get it, but you have to know going into that game that if he broke that record, they were gonna have the standing ovation stop in the game.

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His biggest thing is with the like the refs didn't say that they were gonna do that beforehand. He was like, they just kind of made a decision right then and there. And he was like, I he was like, I told Joe not to come back onto the not to come back to the sideline and that we were just gonna go. It's the person that we had out there. And I was like, alright, cool. Again, if this is something they are told before, like in the NBA is a big one. When LeBron broke the record, they had talked about it because he was gonna do it in that game. They had told talked about it beforehand. This is a spur of the moment decision. We're just gonna go, we're just gonna do it. And that's what he said. He was like, it was a he was like, he said that the ref came up to him and said that they decided to stop. Not that they, hey, we're gonna stop. And the opposite of like when TJ tied it, they it looked like everybody was ready for it to stop. Okay. So I I kind of understand because there was five minutes left in the fourth quarter. It just comes, it just comes off a sour. Graves. I understand. There's five minutes left in the fourth quarter. I'm going with tempo. I understand it's a big fucking moment. We're trying to win this game.

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Like, I get it. If this happens in the first or second quarter, this nigga don't say shit.

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There's five minutes left. We're down by two. We're down by a fucking touchdown. We're not exactly trying to stop right now. Okay. Again, there's this is a fourth quarter. There's five minutes left. They're going on tempo because we're trying to waste clock. You have now given them a free timeout. Yeah. And stop my clock.

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I get that part. I just think it comes, it comes off the sour grapes. When I hear Jamar McCain.

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Five minutes left in the fourth quarter. You have now given them a free timeout. Yeah. Have fucked up our pacing because we proceeded to go three and out. Yeah. If he had said this and we won the game, we were just bitching. No, there's five minutes left. We you fucked up our pacing because we had been tempo the entire drive. Fucked up the pacing, fucked up our drive. And none of this was discussed beforehand.

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I'm not I'm not even saying this to down you because my team spent so much time trying to not give Miles Garrett a sack. We lost them last week. Because of that. But you had three quarters of not worrying about it to win that game. Again, Shador Sanders, 11 of 22 for 111 years.

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Again, this is something that, hey, why don't you tell us before the game starts? Hey, if he breaks this record, or even if he ties it, we're gonna stop. It was the what in that would that have been nice?

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I agree. It would have been nice to give that message out.

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Hey, we're stopping if he gets that record. No, Zach Taylor verbatim said they just decided to stop. Yeah. He was like, there was no heads up. They just decided to stop. And it he's like, it messed up our pace. He's like, but congratulations all to him. Yeah, it fucks up pacing. What do you mean? What do you mean sour grapes? It fucked up the tempo. It fucked up the tempo.

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I'm just being a little contrarian right now. That's it.

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No, it fucked up the tempo. I understand what he's upset about. Fuck you, Zach Taylor. But it did fuck up the tempo.

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The only thing I don't get is when when Jamar Chase talked about if I ever get a record, they better stop for me. I'm like, yeah, Jamar Chase, if you break the single season wide receiver record, like receptions record, or when it comes to like um uh yards, they're gonna stop the game for you. I just feel like it was very obvious that that was gonna happen. I I just don't think that necessarily needed to be would it have been nice to be communicated yes, but I just don't think if that record got stopped got broken after 30 something years, you would like no it hasn't been 30 years. It'd have been like 20 years um broken. You would like like I just I just think that was that was gonna happen. So I don't know. Again, the only reason you guys lost this game is because you had multiple, what was it, what was there, a pick six, and there was a fumble six? It was a tip pass, I believe, for a pick six, and then Noah Fant totally fumbled and they and the Browns took the ball back. He just totally fumbled it. Like that was the only reason they lost this game because, like I said, Shador Sanders played like ass, 111 yards. They didn't run the football a lot, they literally did nothing offensively in this game, and it was just those two turnovers that you guys gave up for touchdowns that really allowed the Browns to win this game. But otherwise, Joe Brown did great. They guys ran the football well. Chase Brown ran the football 72 yards. They guys ran the football for 142 yards total in this game. Jamar Chase, T. Higgins both had a touchdown in this game. Chase Brown had a couple touchdowns in this game. So I'm just like, you guys did what you're supposed to do, other than those two mistakes, which kind of helped the Browns win the game. Again, I know about losing a losing to a bad Browns team just from last week. So I'm not sitting here judging you by any means. I just think the you know, the complaining about it after the game came off is a little sour grapes a little bit. Um, next game, Vikings Packers. JJ McCarthy started this game, didn't even finish it. He had another injury to his right hand. He can't fucking finish a game. The Packers did not, they rested everybody.

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You were talking about records, and it's crazy that the most receptions in a season. Can you guess who it's set by?

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Is it Jerry Rice? Or he has he has yards. He has yards in a year. I don't know who the receptions is.

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It's crazy you don't know who it is.

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Oh, JSN. He broke it this year.

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It is not.

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No, he he's tailed off. The receptions in a year?

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It's crazy you don't know who this is.

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It wasn't Antonio Brown, was it?

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Nah, probably the first true start to your dynasty receivers. First true start to dynasty receivers? I think he may have been a Brian Hartline receiver. Not Scary Terry. No, I'm pretty sure he was a he had to have been a Brian Hartline receiver. Either he was or he was the year before.

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Oh, um yeah, yes, Michael, Michael Thomas for the Saints. He was not Brian Hartline before. But still, that's he did yeah, he does have the record. That's a crazy name to hear. That makes me sad. But you know, he was actually at a really every old house day game the last four or five games. Good for him. Good for him. He's I'm glad I'm happy he's back in the program, kind of like just, you know, he's just around.

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Sorry, it just it kind of makes me sad.

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But yeah, Packers rested everybody. Jordan Love didn't play. Honestly, the Packers they didn't care about winning this game whatsoever. They're already locked into the playoffs. It is what it is. Vikings, like I said, Jamie McCarthy was also again ass in this game. 14 of 23 for 182. They asked him after this game whether he should go into next season being the presumptive starter. And then he starts it with, yeah, today I think so, but tomorrow it could be different. I'm like, come on, dude. I'm just like, don't answer that question. Because I don't think JJ McCarthy's done anything to deserve any type of um guarantee that that job should be his going into next year. Because once one thing he's always hurt, and then the other thing when you are playing, you're not even playing all that well. So I don't I just don't know. The Vikings, if they can just get a quarterback, I think they can be a very good team. And it's just again, I just think J.J. McCarthy picking him in the first round like they did was a huge mistake, unless he takes a huge step up in it when it comes to him being a player at the quarterback position in the NFL. Next game, Cowboys, Giants, Giants absolutely destroyed the Cowboys 34 to 17. Jackson Dart, 20 of 32, 20, 22 of 32, 230 yards, two touchdowns, zero picks. He played awesome in this game. Did everything he had to do. And they just played they played very well. Tyrone Tracy, the running back, had over 100 yards in this game. Um, Devin Singletary had a touchdown in this game. Dak Prescott wasn't good. 7 of 11. He ended up leaving this game after I think he had an injury. He ended up leaving this game and Joe Milton came in and had a it wasn't an injury, they just pulled him because they were getting blown out. The fact that the Cowboys, did you ever think the Cowboys were good enough to make the playoffs at any point in this year? I didn't think so either, but they went on a little bit of a run like with three or four games in the middle of the season. Where I was like, oh, they're alright. Their offense looked good, but their defense was still kind of garbage.

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Dog shit. No, your defense was dog shit.

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They fired their defense coordinator, by the way. So I'm just sitting there like, I just I don't know, man. This Cowboys team are just they have some real rebuilding to do. And with their owner, I just don't know if they'll ever truly get it right. I just don't know. Like they they're just told I'm not even gonna say they have bad ownership, but it's just so inconsistent and so uh bizarre that I just don't think they'll ever really truly get it together. Um, but the Giants, they just they have enough. And Jackson Dark made the one play where he got out of the sack and he threw like a little pitch to the tight end and ran all the way down the field. I just feel like plays like that is what shows that if he can like harness that talent that he has and just be a more consistent quarterback, I think Jackson Dark can be a real dude in the New York Giants uniform. Next game, Jags destroyed the Titans 41-7. They were playing this game if they want it. They were going to be locked in as the number two seed, I believe, in the AFC. No, three seed. Um and Trevor Lawrence, 22 of 30, 255, three touchdowns. They did exactly what they had to do. Trevor Lawrence has been on a heater as of recently, playing a lot of good football, and they did what they had to do. Again, if they lost this game, they could potentially could have lost a division and got taken away from getting a home game. So they definitely still had to go out there and try against the Titans team, and that's exactly what they did. They went and nuked them. Next game, Texans Colts. I think they only had CJ Stroud playing the first half because they realized that the Jaguars weren't going to lose that game against the Titans, so they pulled him. But until then, CJ played fine, 14-23, 169, one touchdown, zero picks. Riley Leonard, who came in and started for the Colts this game, was decent. 21-34, 270, two touchdowns, and a pick. Decent. Didn't play terrible. He ran the football very well, too. I think he had like a touchdown rushing at three carries, 21 yards. Jonathan Taylor did not do anything in this game, 14-26. Had to give you your credit against good defenses. He didn't really do all that well this year. Oh. Alec Pierce, four catches, 132 yards, and two touchdowns. That is one thing. As good as I think this Houston defense is, they are susceptible to some big plays. If you were going to nick nickel and dime down the field against this Houston defense, you're not going to. They're going to suffocate you. But if you can get some guys wide open, they will, they are susceptible to big plays. So I think if the Steelers can make anything happen, it's going to be against them next week. It'll be getting some big plays down the field with DK. Because outside of that, you're not going to nickel and dime your way down the field against that defense. You're not beating the Steelers. Oh, we're not fucking beating them. Oh no, I am not. I am not trying to say. No break.

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Next week. I forgot how quick the NFL moves compared to the college football. Yeah, no doubt.

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Three weeks? They don't care.

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Forgot, damn.

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Yeah, the NFL, they're like, hey, we're just going to get the business here, guys. We're not going to go ahead and have any breaks here. Um, but the Texans, it was a very close game, but the Texans still managed to come out and win the game. Um they were stuck at a five seed, so definitely as best as they could get. But the defense, again, they just the game was weird because the Colts were able to score as much as they did, but Texas did what they had to do. Bills, Jets, Bills won the game 35-8. This game didn't matter. Mitchell Trubisky was like the leading passer in this game, 22 of 29 for 259 yards and four touchdowns. So this Jets team is so bad, they made Mitchell Trubisky look good. And Josh Allen did play the first half because I think they were trying to give like one final goodbye because this is the last game in their current stadium before they go to the new one next year. So they did let him um Josh Allen come out and play a little bit, but for the most part, Mitchell Trubisky went out there and did what he had to do to win that game. And the Jets are just awful. So Bills went out there and did what they had to do and win that game. Next game, Lions, Bears, Lions win the game 19-16. This game was close. It felt like the Lions were like really controlling the game for the most part for the first half, and really most of the second half until Chicago came back and scored 16 points in the fourth quarter. This is the thing about the Bears. I think they are a team that is a live dog when they are down. Because I just feel like when they are down, they've done it so many times, they've come back in so many games that they just know how to like kind of turn the switch on and like offensively and to score a lot of points if they need to. But I'm just not sure defensively for the Bears if they are going to be able to really be able to achieve any dreams that they have this year because of how bad their defense is. And Jared Goff, 27 to 42, 331 yards, one touchdown, one pick. Jameer Gibbs had 19 carries, 80 yards. Montgomery had another 42.

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St.

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Brown, 11 carries, 11 catches, 139 yards. Jamison Williams had 74 off six catches. Cleef Raymond had 52. Jameer Gibbs had another 33 and a touchdown. I just think that in the Lions got the win. They kind of got to play a spoiler a little bit and kind of keep the Bears from having the number two overall seed. Now they're down to the number three. And um, but it's just overall, I just think that the Bears' defense is going to be their undoing in the playoffs. Because I think offensive, they're actually kind of good. And I think they I think Caleb Williams has really found a groove, even though I think he's still very inefficient. He doesn't really hit some open passes that should look easy for him. But I think their defense is definitely their biggest Achilles heel for that team. Next game, Broncos, Chargers. Broncos won the game 19-3. Chargers didn't play. Um Jay Herbo, they wanted him to rest. The game didn't matter to them. They played like it. The Broncos, it was a close game for a little bit, but the Broncos are able to kind of control it with their defense. Bo Nicks was assed, by the way. 14 of 23 for 141 yards. The Broncos are good enough anywhere everywhere else to make me think that they are a real Super Bowl contender. But having Bo Knicks as their quarterback is like the biggest contract subtractor of anything else they have because he is just so bad. He's so bad. I just don't know how they can really go and like face a good football team and think they're going to win a football game. I just think I just think he is just so inconsistent as a quarterback. I just don't know how you can rely on him on him in a big game. Raiders beat the Chiefs 14-12. No reason to go into that. It was an awful game. Uh Rams beat the Cardinals 37 to 20. Matthew Stafford, he might have. I said a couple weeks ago, I thought he might have lost the MVP based off how he played a couple weeks ago in that Panthers game, I believe. But I think he overall, totality of a season, I think he has played an awesome year. Um lot of touchdowns. He has a lot of all the pat all the passing yardage, like when it comes to stats, he's going to be awesome in that. And I think the Rams being at 12-5, Tyler Higbee had a great game, 91 yards and a touchdown. Puka Nakua, 10 catches, 76 yards and a touchdown. Parkinson, the other tight end, had two touchdowns. This Rams team, this Arizona Cardinals team didn't have any chance to win. Again, it was like the first time where the Cardinals were able to score. It just wasn't at the same clip the Rams were, and they just could not finish off this football game. But the Rams, when they get rolling and they're good offensively, they're just very hard to invest. Yeah. Insane. Like again, when he's not doing stupid shit off the field, he's an insane talent on the football field.

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Yeah, like he'll ruin his career off the field.

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Just just stay stay with football, my boy. Just stick with football and you're fine. But it's just anytime he talks or goes somewhere and he's out in the public eye, he says some stupid shit. Um, Patriots, Dolphins. Patriots won 38 to 10. Gabe wasn't close. Drake May did exact they they pulled him out early. This game was an absolute blowout. It wasn't close whatsoever. Um Ramon J. Sepherson had a great game, though. Seven carries, 131 yards, and two touchdowns. I think Trevion also had another two touchdowns rushing himself. I think the Patriots, they're I think they are a probably a their defense isn't really all that good. They're not overpowering in any way.

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I think they have one of probably one of the better offenses in the AFC.

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I think Drake May is on a heater right now. I think he's playing very good football. My question is is Drake May is not like playing at Josh Allen level right now. He's not playing as like a top five quarterback.

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Let's just Neither is Josh Allen half the weeks.

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Yes, but we've seen Josh Allen do it enough in the playoffs to where I can expect it to happen.

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I've seen him lose in the playoffs.

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If Drake May is not playing at a top five quarterback level in the NFL in the playoffs, I'm not sure if they can win these football games. That's the point I was trying to make. That's the only thing I question about the Patriots team. Um they have are they the number one seed?

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No.

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I think they're the number one over the seed. No, because the the the Denver did. Um Patriots get let's see here. Um Patriots play Chargers. Okay, get the dogs out of the Chargers. I think they can, for sure. That's definitely an option, but I think it might be a case of. Eight reseeds, so who it depends. But they do not have to face the Bills. Based on how the where the Bills are at and where they're at, they wouldn't face the Bills until the divisional. The no, the conference, the conference championship game. They wouldn't see the Bills at all.

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Hey, real quick, let the Bills not make it to the conference championship game. This nigga Josh Allen is the worst.

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I told Jake that if Josh Allen doesn't make a Super Bowl this year, he should be in a permanent pro permanent depression. No Mahomes, no Burrow, no Lamar.

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They're not here. Everyone else is a is not as tenured as you.

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You've been here. The closest guys are Herbo and CJ. I think CJ actually has more playoff wins than um Lawrence. Than Lawrence does. He does. But that's the thing, is you've been to a fucking You've made it to the second round, dude. He's been to hasn't he been to a conference championship game?

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No.

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I thought he did last year.

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No.

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Oh no, yeah, because they ended up yeah, because the Chiefs ended up going to face the Ravens in the conference championship game. That guy dropped off in the second round. Yeah, second round.

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He's never made it past the second round.

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But yeah, if he doesn't make Super Bowl this year, he should be in a real depression.

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Like it's if he doesn't make the Super Bowl this year, I want to hear no one call him the second best quarterback in the NFL. Because he's fucking not. I need everyone to hear that. Because now I can almost guarantee there's three niggas better than you. Come playoff time. There's three motherfuckers better than you, guaranteed.

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This is his spot. He is the best core, he is the best player in the AFC on the AFC side of the of the last playoffs. He's it. I land side he's the best player. If you don't make Super Bowl now, you have to answer some questions. I got who do they play first round? Um Bills play. Oh, they play Trevor.

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Trevor and Jackson. Understand me. You let this nigga Trevor Lawrence beat you in the first fucking round. Yeah. I will spaz. I will spaz. You will get a fucking phone call from not even I will be here. I will just assimilate in front of you. I told you this nigga Josh Allen was garbage. I know. You're you're number one. You're Josh Allen's number one hater for sure. Fuck yeah, I am. I know a couple Bills fans.

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Making phone calls.

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Yeah, I know. I know where you work. Play me to not answer. Play me, I dare you. I'll be at your job. Fuck around with me. I dare you.

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Yeah, if he don't, if he doesn't wait the Super Bowl, it's definitely about definitely a problem.

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Even in years where Bengals were not great, Joe Burrow was in the AFC Championship.

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Yeah.

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This is your year. What could you do?

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You're never gonna have a wide open year like this. Not again. You're not gonna have it again.

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No shot you beat any of the three teams, you probably will see. There's three teams that could make. The Super Bowl or from the NFC.

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I think the NFC is like I would favor three different teams from the A from the NFC to win over anybody in the NFC.

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What I do say there's three teams that are problematic Super Bowl. All three three of those teams will dog walk the Bills.

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Is it crazy that I'm thinking they're all from the same division?

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Oh, what division are you thinking they're from?

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The NFC West.

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I agree.

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The Rams, the Niners, the Seahawks.

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Yes, sir. Heck yeah. And then I don't want to face that Eagles defense. That Eagles offense is mid. But that defense is scary. That defense is fucking scary. Oh, they're they're back to being very good at the end. Oh, yeah. It was uh Chr Christmas. I think it was Christmas. Maybe not Christmas, maybe a couple days after Christmas. That that week, yeah. I think it was that weekend, the 27th, watching the Cowboys play the Eagles. No, it was the Bills that play the Eagles. The Bills did not play the Eagles. The Bills got beat up by the Eagles.

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That wasn't Christmas. That was like two. It was like last week.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My bad. They were fucking harassing Josh Allen.

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Yeah, they were.

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I watched, I think, a linebacker come up there, punch the ball out, and then they go steal that shit. They were fucking bullying.

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That defense has figured it out again. But they're scared. The offense is dog shit. They're so bad.

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But that defense was bullying him.

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Yeah. But what but again, is their defense gonna get back to a level where it doesn't even matter how bad their offense is? Like it could get to that point. It really could.

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But again, getting damn close. But it's just I see Carter is a monster of a fucking human.

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Yeah. Holy shit. When he's not like assaulting people. Like on one play, I saw him smack the dude in the helmet, choke him out. It was like a whole thing. It was straight up assault. Again, it's on the football field, so it's not really considered. I agree. But like he's not the cleanest player ever. But he's a monster. I totally agree. He has all the talent and skill to back it up of I don't care. True. Yeah. Speaking of the Eagles, Eagles lost to the commander 17 to 24. It's just crazy. Eagles really literally rested all their starters. Still. They let Devontae Smith play for a little bit so he can get his thousand yards for the year. But other than that, they rest all their starters. You would think that they would have had a chance to get the number two overall seed and not have to see San Francisco in the first round if they would have just played their guys and beat the commanders. But they didn't. I feel like if that's like a hindsight being 2020, they would have loved to not have to see San Fran in the first round.

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I've been thinking about the fucking trying to pick the playoff games for the NFC. And I'm sitting here thinking of the matchups. I'm like, it's gonna be really fucking hard. Yeah, no doubt. AFC, I truly foresee a lot of these teams being dog walked. Yeah, I there's a high chance the Steelers get dog walked. Yeah. And I agree. So that's a hard game to pick, but that's like the only one that's a hard game to pick. Yeah. Uh let y'all make it the second round. How fucking tweak. Laugh my ass off if y'all make it a second round.

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There is an argument to be made if they make it past Houston, they could be a dangerous team. And I don't truly believe that. But I'm saying based off the the other teams that would be left in the playoffs in the second round, because they wouldn't face a defense as good as Houston for the rest of the playoffs.

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You will not face a defense as good as Houston unless you're playing the Super Bowl against Seattle or the Eagles.

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And then you again I'm just talking about the AFC. We're not winning a Super Bowl. That's not fucking happening. But to make a Super Bowl, if you make it past Houston in the first round, you then wouldn't be worried about really any other defense. It really is.

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Why the fuck is there an avenue to for us to make it further than the second round? Yeah. Like, is this ever really like is this tiring? I don't want to do this again.

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I know what the season's gonna end with me being disappointed. I'm just waiting for the day that it happens.

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It'll either end in the first round this week or end in the second round.

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It could have fucking happened the other day. The Ravens just couldn't finish the job. That's the thing. We're gonna get to that in a second.

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This is how I know this is fucking annoying. It should have ended. It should have ended three days ago. It should have been over. It should have been over. Yeah. You should have been just sitting at home, like chilling out, watching the playoffs like a normal person.

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Now I have to be invested. Now I have to be invested. I don't get just make some bets and just have some fun watching football. I have to be actually invested. There's a game I have to watch.

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Yeah, no questions asked. Real quick, I'm gonna bet on your team uh to win against Houston the first round. Just because I was talking to you about it during the podcast. During the podcast, I was like, your team's gonna do it somehow. I was like, I'm not gonna pick you guys, but you're gonna do it somehow.

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We'll get to the rap, we'll get to the Steelers Ravens game now because it was the best game all weekend. Steelers won the game 26-24. This might have been the funniest game I have ever watched the Steelers play for the most part, because the first half was an absolute slog fest. The Ravens were up 10-3 at the half. It felt like the Ravens, because I think um Derrick Henry had 100 yards in the first quarter. He was running the football. I think on the literally on the first play, he had like a 50-something yard run right off the bat. So it felt, for me, it felt like, oh, the the Derrick Henry's just gonna get run the football and run all over us, and we're not gonna be able to win this football game at all. But after that first calf where they were able to kind of get the lead and kind of like look like they were gonna take control, the Steelers were able to get the ball with like how many minutes? I forget like six minutes left in the first half, and they managed to take the clock down, go down, and they scored the field goal, and they had a chance to go for a touchdown at the end of the half. They try to go for it, they get stuffed, and I'm like, oh, this is the game, it's over, and I don't they have no chance to win this game. But in the second half, um, there was a one fluke play where um Kyle Hamilton got hurt. Him, he literally ran into his other safety. The two safeties ran into each other on a play. Kyle Hamilton gets knocked out of the game, and the Steelers' offense totally awakens and they're a lot better. Aaron Rodgers starts getting some open reads in the middle of the field to Pat Fryermouth, to Adam Thielen, because you don't have such a great defender there. Because again, for whatever reason, you lose Kyle Hamilton, that defense totally turned into real garbage. And Aaron Rodgers was able to take advantage of that. It also helped that the Ravens don't have much of a pass rush at all. And Aaron Rodgers was able to feel very comfortable back there. He was able to run the offense how he needed to, and he just he did what he had to do to win this game. We ran the football relatively well. Um I think Jalen Warren, 14 carries, 66 yards. Aaron Rodgers had a 20-yard run in this game, which was pretty good. Um Kenneth Gainwell, eight catches, 64 yards. Calvin Austin, three catches, 55 yards, and a touchdown. Again, that at the fourth quarter is when this game really heated up. It was, and I will say Lamar Jackson had his Lamar Jackson moments in this game. He was like, the only blame I can give him is maybe in the middle of that game. I think there was like 11 minutes worth of game time where the Ravens didn't have the football at all. But so it did feel like the Ravens could have taken a control and Lamar Jackson could have like really power powered them to win this football game. But Lamar, eight 11 of 18 for 238, three touchdowns and a pick. And in that fourth quarter, he did have two wide open touchdowns to Zay Flowers. Like he was butt-naked open on both of those plays. I I will say on one of them, he managed, Lamar managed to get out of a sack. Literally, it was TJ Watt and um why am I forgetting the other Alex Highsmith meeting at Lamar. I did see that. And some fucking how Lamar was able to get out of that sack and throw the football to Zay Flowers down the field, but butt naked open by himself to be able to go get the touchdown and win that game. And I mean, sorry, to take the lead. And then the Steelers will go down and score and then get the lead again. Then Baltimore gets the ball back, and they and literally in one play, Zay Flowers gets wide open somehow, gets lost in the defense. They lose him, and he's wide, wide open. And they throw it to him on a touchdown to kind of give them the lead again with like I think it was like two minutes left. And then the Steelers got the ball back with like no timeouts. There was a time where they were wasting all their timeouts for some reason because Aaron Rodgers was freaking out because he caught the uh the radio wasn't working in the helmets. But it really did feel like after that, where I'm like, okay, we have no chance, and then the Steelers got the ball on the 40 on the 40-yard line because their kicker kicked the ball out of bounds on the on the kickoff, which you can't do any really do anymore. And then they managed to get down the field and then on a play um to what am I from um Calvin Austin, he just hit that DB with a double move for the touchdown to take the lead.

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It wasn't even good.

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Huh?

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That wasn't a great move.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:56

Uh for sure. Um, and then the problem was with that, after that, you get the touchdown. I'm super excited. Again, coming into this game, I didn't think we're gonna win, but uh as I was watching, I did get married to the idea of as a fan of the teams that I'm a fan of, I never get to be the spoiler. I never get to be the underdog, right? As a Buckeye, as a Buckeyes fan, if they're if they're losing, they're usually the guy, they're usually the team that was favored and all of that. So like they're Ohiocy will never be a spoiler to anybody, right? Same thing with the Yankees. The Bulls, I guess, could be a spoiler, but they're so ass I just don't really give them a chance to do anything. But I'm just like as a Steelers fan, in that moment, I got to be the spoiler to the Ravens. I got to be the reason that John Harbaugh gets fired in that game. I got to be a reason to see Derrick Henry after that touchdown was scored, why just like looking off into space, mouth slightly open, like what the fuck just happened? So the idea that I got to have that funny moment was absolutely insane. And then an even funnier thing happened because the Ravens get the ball with like 50 something seconds left, three timeouts, they have too much time, and I'm like, oh, this is a problem. They're gonna go right down the field and score and win this game, especially since we missed the extra point. As much as I love um Chris Boswell, he hadn't missed an extra point all year long, and he picked that moment to miss an extra point. And that allowed the Steelers to only go up two instead of going up three. So now if the Ravens get down the field and hit the field goal, the game is over and they win. Instead of tying it and going to overtime. So the Ravens get the ball back. They have a huge return. They get the ball at like to like the like the 40-something yard line on the Ravens part of the uh field. So like they get a really good starting position, and literally within three plays, especially on the fourth down, Lamar Jackson throws a beautiful ball to Isaiah Likely to get it in the field goal range with like 14 seconds left. I will say the one problem they had is they could have tried to run the football with Derrick Henry to kind of get the field goal to be a little bit closer. Instead, they decided to try to line up the field goal to be in the middle, and then made it like a from like a 41-yard field goal to like a 44-yard field goal. But I'm like sitting here laughing, I'm like, all I could do was laugh because I'm like, well, you know, this is the funniest game of all time. I had no expectations to actually win this game. I'm just glad it was a competitive and fun game because I unlike last year, where the Ravens literally blew our fucking doors off to end our season, I was just glad to have a competitive football game, and I was just laughing. But then the funniest thing have ever happened, that kicker shanked that thing wide right, and he missed it. Which is the funniest thing of all time. Harbaugh gets fired after this. Lamar Jackson's look like there was a clip of Lamar Jackson ready to celebrate as the ball was in the air, and then he sees it missed, and he's like, oh, oh shit, what just happened? And the fact that I got to see that stadium go insane, which a stadium we've both been in, which is totally electric when everybody is down and like everything's going well, to see that stadium go in literally, it was like pandemonium in that stadium after that happened, and it was absolutely awesome to see, and I was it was at least fun because I have no quorums about the idea that the Steelers are gonna go lose to Houston in that first playoff game next week on Monday night. I have I am very I'm very close to certain that Houston wins that game, so I don't think we're gonna have a like a long-term sorry, a long run in the playoffs, but I just think that was a very fun game, a very competitive game, and it was one of the funniest games I've ever watched in my life. Especially in that fourth quarter, was really going back and forth, and it could have gone either way, and I'm just like it there was like three different lead changes. It was it was insane, very fun game to watch, had a lot of fun, and I I will say Aaron Rodgers, as much as I did not feel good about this to start the season, in these last few weeks, he turned it on and he was able to play some good football and win the Steelers. Again, if he wasn't the quarterback of that game, the Steelers weren't gonna win it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:13:05

I agree.

SPEAKER_04: 2:13:06

So the fact that he was able to kind of make that happen, I have to give him a lot of credit, especially without DK Metcalf. With all these like receivers that are like kind of like all number twos, like none of them are actual number one guy. I'm not even sure any of them are actually number twos. So like the fact of not having your number one weapon DK Metcalf because he was fucking around and touched a fan in this in the stands, like they managed to make it happen. Again, they lost last week to the Browns, and that the game this game should not have mattered, but they put themselves in a bad spot, they got out of it, and they managed to win this game, and I have to give them a lot of credit for that. So, no matter how next week goes, I I will at least be able to say I had some fun to end the season.

SPEAKER_07: 2:13:46

I guess, bro, I would have preferred for this shit to end early.

SPEAKER_04: 2:13:49

Me too. I'm I'm sitting here that that's the thing. I was talking about this weeks ago. I'm like, it's just my curse as a Steelers fan for them to keep winning games I don't want to win, to then get a worse draft position, and then lose in the first or second round like they always do, and I have no chance to actually win the Super Bowl. It's like, what the fuck was all this for? But it is what it is. I I I like I said weeks ago, I'm like, why not just join the ride, have some fun on along the way, and then deal with the fallout after it's all over? Because the fallout will come. So, you know, if the fallout comes for every team that doesn't win a Super Bowl in a given season, so I'll just be one of 31 other teams that don't get to end the season with a on a high note. So it is what it is, man. I said it is what it is. I I let I had fun with this game, and it was it was a fun little time. So I'll tell I'll totally take it. Alright, that's all the games. Talked about all of it. Um, our records. We went I went nine and seven on the week. Jace went 10-6, with the one difference of the game being in the San Fran-Seattle game. Jace picked Seattle, I picked San Fran. Overall, Jace beat me in the overall regular season standings. I went 157-101. Jace went 166-91 and 1. So Jace was able to take a very commanding lead throughout this season when it comes to picking games. And he did what he had to do. He stayed ahead. I cannot make the right moves to get catch catch back up, so it is what it is on that. We will reset reset the um reset it all and do it in the playoffs and hopefully make some better picks. We will make our picks for those games on the next pod. I think we're gonna do it on Friday. So that's all I got. You got anything else you want to talk about today, Jace? Got nothing, bro. All right, bro. We've gone for close to two hours now. Like we always actually two hours and 15 minutes. Um, but it is what it is. So I thought it was gonna be a lot shorter podcast. I'm not gonna lie to you. Never is. Never is. Alright, let's go ahead and end the pod. We'll see you guys. Uh we'll we'll end this now. So if you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. If you're just not joining on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride of talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. If this is the first time listening to us, we're pretty much um available on all audio platforms out there. So hopefully um you can do a couple things for us we'd appreciate if you could. Like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us. Make sure you share us, friends, family, enemies, anybody you feel like could enjoy the podcast we put out on a weekly basis, with it being two times per week during the football season. We'd love if you could do that. And then last but not least, if you can follow us on Twitter and or X, whatever you like to call it, at JB Sports Pod is the podcast handle. At Javante Boozer is my handle, at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I'll hand it over to Jay so we can finish off the pod.

SPEAKER_07: 2:16:29

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SPEAKER_04: 2:16:42

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