Inside Indiana’s Shocking Title And A Wild NFL Divisional Weekend

A perfect season ended in blood, grit, and a blocked punt—and then the NFL turned into a turnover thriller. We open with Indiana’s stunning 16–0 run and a 27–21 title win over Miami that was won on situational football: third and fourth downs, a special teams swing, and a Heisman quarterback who kept finding just enough. Curt Cignetti’s blueprint—older roster, portal precision, clean execution—raises a bigger question: did the Hoosiers crack a sustainable model, or is this a once-in-a-generation lightning strike?

From there, we zoom out to the messy reality behind the magic. A Monday title game after weeks of silence robs the sport of momentum; moving Week Zero to Week One and compressing the calendar would help the college football calendar. Meanwhile, the portal is now an arms race. We unpack the rumored $10 million quarterback flip complete with buyout coverage, housing, and a sibling scholarship, and why the ACC’s new revenue policy supercharges in-conference poaching. It’s a case study in how NIL, timing, and lawsuits collide—and why programs still playing are unfairly exposed to raids.

Then the NFL detonates. Denver outlasts Buffalo because the Broncos protected possessions and Josh Allen didn’t, turning a winnable game into heartbreak. Seattle steamrolls an injury-riddled San Francisco, reminding us even elite coaches can’t outscheme attrition. New England advances by turning CJ Stroud’s pocket into a trap while Houston’s defense plays at a title level. And the Rams outlast the Bears in overtime as Matthew Stafford manages the last drive on an off night, while Caleb Williams toggles between sorcery and risk.

We close with the coaching carousel: McDermott out in Buffalo, headline hires in New York and Atlanta, and which openings offer the best runway now. If you want clear-eyed analysis of how champions are actually built—calendar, culture, and clutch downs—this one’s for you. If you enjoyed the show, tap follow, rate us five stars, and share with a friend who argues about QBs for sport.

Transcript

Monday After The Title Game

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Welcome back to the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 0:11

Today's Tuesday, January the 20th. We're back to the podcast.

Fixing College Football’s Calendar

Portal Power Plays And NIL Arms Race

SPEAKER_07 0:16

Hey, we're back. It is the day after the National Championship game, which is hilarious because for college football. Do you know when the National Championship game will be next year? Three days. It'll be on the 27th of January. No, it'll be like a week and a half, like a week and a half. Because it's usually February, it's like February 8th. So like it's like a week and a half. But again, the fact that the national championship game is so long after the end of the regular season. It's absolutely insane to me. And it's only gonna get worse. And then it's you know it's bad when the NFL has had multiple rounds of their playoffs happen before college football has a national championship game when their their regular season ends first. This is one thing I hate to say. I have to give Dan Lenning some credit, is that he has talked about the fact that to change just change do a big change of the schedule is to make week zero, week one, and then go throughout the make it the whole season and then not have a break in between anything, and you can end the season by January 1st. Which is like kind of perfect because you'd be able to have your season and have all of your Saturdays and not have to give anything up to the NFL. And now, as of what we're doing right now, we're playing our national championship game on a Monday. It almost felt like it had no juice because, like, oh, it's like on a Monday, it's been like two weeks since the last time we've seen any college football. And again, the game ended up being good last night. I think it was gonna be well watched. I think it's the view, the uh viewership's probably gonna be really good too, because it's such a different team in Indiana and then you have Miami being the other team. But I just think in general, I just think changing that whole how everything's kind of scheduled that way, and then putting all the portal and stuff after that could also be a big deal because the fact that teams like Miami and Indiana had to worry about trying to win a NAS championship as well as going to get players for the next year's team, it's kind of unfair. And now the window is for both of those teams to play last night. Now, for like the next like, I think for the next week, I think it's like the next 10 days, now every other team in college football has an opportunity to go attack their players and see if they want to hit the portal because there's nobody else's team has nobody else's team is gonna have their players enter because the portal's already closed. So I just feel like it's a it's a really big miss uh balance issue when it comes to now every every other team in college ball has a chance to raid these other raid these teams as players. Again, Indiana doesn't have much to worry about because most of their players are now 24, 25, 26 year olds. Same thing with Miami, too, not gonna lie, but they still have some young players on their roster that probably didn't play a lot that are now gonna be looking for opportunities elsewhere or money if Miami's not willing to give it. Again, that might be Miami's problem. I'll talk about this before we get to the game because Miami's trying to get a quarterback. They swung and missed on so many different quarterbacks in the transfer portal, and now like there's this like the one last guy, this dude named Darien Mensa, um, who played at Duke. They paid him like four million dollars last year to be their quarterback, and he led them to um winning the um ACC. So technically it's what money world well spent. Duke won the ACC. He played at Tulane before, and then they paid him online to go play at Duke, and then now literally the last day of the portal, which was last Friday, he entered at the very last moment he possibly could and said he was entering the portal. In the new in the the what is it, the rumor is is that Miami is the team that tried to get him to do it. And let me tell you this is that the valuation for how much they're gonna give him to go there, if it happens, because again, he has to make it act like he has other opportunities to go look search elsewhere, and then ultimately he'll pick Miami because it's the best place for him. They ultimately said it was gonna be$10 million they're not paying to get him there to not only pay the man, pay his buyout at Duke, which is a problem because Duke's claiming that he he just signed an NIL deal with them, so they're they're actually suing him to try to stop it from ever happening, kind of like the same fuss that um Washington put up for uh Wat for Washington. Nope. Watson. I forget what quarterback, I forget the quarterback's name for Washington that tried to do the same thing, and they kind of actually kind of like threw enough of a fit to actually make him stay. Um but yeah, so$10 million total to pay him around four like five or six million dollars, pay his buyout to Duke, get his sister a full ride athletic scholarship because she's currently playing soccer at Oregon to get her to transfer over to Miami. Also, get him a house on a golf course in Miami to live there.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Yeah, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 5:16

Um, I think there's one other thing. And then like some car or something like that to get him there too.

SPEAKER_06 5:21

Yeah, so why is his sister involved in any of this?

SPEAKER_07 5:23

Oh, she he she has to again, she gets to live in a nice place too, because he gets to go. Not to mention he'll be able to play be there with his sister, he'll feel he'll be more comfortable.

SPEAKER_06 5:31

Yeah, but she's already like she's playing soccer at Oregon Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:37

Yeah. But she could be ass. Like she could be a walk-on or something like that. But no, they're gonna have to give her a full ride scholarship.

SPEAKER_06 5:44

I know, I don't know, no, but soccer at Oregon. That means she's still on the team at Oregon.

SPEAKER_07 5:48

Yeah. This is insane. This is funny money. Like, make it happen.

unknown 5:58

Okay.

The $10M QB Saga And ACC Fallout

SPEAKER_07 5:59

Apparently, Miami offered$7 million to um Alabama's guy to try to get him to not go to the NFL instead and then just go straight to Miami. And he said no. So he's like, hey, I was at Alabama, I wanna I want to have my legacy be there, and I'll go off to the NFL. So like they tried, they were trying to get so many different people, and they all said no, or they messed it up, and now they're trying to like, now they have to overpay to get this dude there. Which is kind of hilarious. So, yeah, that was, and like I said, Duke is causing a Faruckus, they're they're suing him, and they're trying to put up the same fight, pretty much saying, hey, he just signed a contract to stay here, and now he wants to try to leave, and we're not gonna try to let it happen. So I hope it works. Because at some point, like these teams have to put up some sort of a fight. Because you can't just sit here and like these teams come with a bigger budget, and this is ACC on ACC crime. You can't even say, like, oh, this is just an SEC or a Big Ten team coming in with a huge check. This is within their own conference. And what makes it worse is that because of the new um way that the ACC is doing their money, only teams like Miami, Clemson, um, Florida State, those are the only teams that are getting money for their playoff performance. So you know how like if any team gets to the playoff, all the money that they get from the playoff is actually split up amongst all of the teams in their conference. The in the ACC that doesn't happen. So Miami's getting all$20 million every single time they make each round of the playoff, and now that money goes straight to them. It doesn't have to be split up amongst all of their conference peers, and now that's a bunch of money they can go and give to a guy like Darien Mensa to get him to leave another ACC school. So now it's like all that ultimately the deal that the ACC made to try to keep those teams there, because if those teams left to go to different conferences, if the the conference would have would pretty much die. Now they're using that as a kind of like a launching pad to help like hurt other teams in the process of all this. So I don't know, it's a we very weird scenario, but it it was just hilarious how this dude was saying he was gonna stay, and then you know, there was a big enough bag that came along with$10 million is crazy. And that's why this stuff ain't this stuff needs to change because there is no there's nothing real about any of this. It's just like, hey, whoever can get the biggest bag here is gonna probably get the guy that they want, and it's just kind of happening, it kind of sucks that way. Alright, so now that I gave I'm done showing you, telling you about the uh the cool fact about this player potentially going to Miami. Let's get to the game last night.

SPEAKER_06 8:36

Sorry, um sorry, you were talking about a sister, and I was like, no way they're okay with bringing somebody on that's ass, right? Yeah, she's not. She's a starter at Oregon. Okay. They're twins, by the way.

SPEAKER_08 8:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 8:56

Um I don't know if she's bad or not. I don't know if she's about soccer. Uh she got big 10 all academic, which makes me think you might be ass. But she started in 18 matches. I don't know how many they fucking. I don't know. Uh she plays. She's my bad. She started since she was like.

SPEAKER_07 9:24

But again, that kind of goes to show why does it have to be guaranteed in this contract that she gets a full ride to go there? If she's that good, then Miami will just take her without an issue, but again, it has to be written into a contract if he's gonna go there.

SPEAKER_06 9:38

Do you know how fucking soccer works, Kane?

SPEAKER_07 9:40

I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_06 9:41

I don't either. So I guess it's organ a good soccer school or a bad soccer school. I don't have no fucking clue. Exactly. So what does it fucking matter? I don't know shit about soccer. You don't know shit about soccer. He got soon, he just kind of wants his sister there too.

SPEAKER_07 9:56

Yeah, no. Sometimes it can just be that simple. Occam's Razor, sometimes Occam's Razor.

SPEAKER_06 10:01

Across the country from each other, and he's from where? What did it say he was from again?

SPEAKER_07 10:06

Well, he was at he was where he was just at was Duke, which is in North Carolina. So they already were a whole cut a whole country apart from North Carolina to Oregon.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

So he's from California.

SPEAKER_06 10:19

So okay.

SPEAKER_07 10:20

So she she stayed closer to home while he's chasing the bag going to these different places. Yeah, and now he can finally go to a stop and she can come along.

SPEAKER_06 10:27

And the they probably bring their mom as well.

SPEAKER_07 10:31

Again, he'll have enough money if he's getting this free house on a golf course. There's probably a room enough for her.

SPEAKER_06 10:36

I was just curious, and I was like, that's crazy. That's crazy. And I was like, I have to look into this just a little bit. Um, she's not garbage. I don't know. I don't know if she knows about soccer. Oregon could be dog shit at soccer. Who knows? I've never seen I I don't fucking care.

SPEAKER_08 10:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 10:51

Um but I was like, that's a sorry, I don't know why that's the stipulation that hit my brain of what she also gets two million dollars? Is that a lot, the soccer world? Uh I don't know. It's just not soccer makes a lot of money.

SPEAKER_07 11:09

In college soccer, that's probably a lot.

SPEAKER_06 11:11

If you don't know anything about it, then yeah, it probably is.

SPEAKER_07 11:13

Yeah, but it depends on the school, because I the way they do like the allotments for like the money that a school can pay a kid, it they do it by sport. So they pick whatever sports they think are like the most revenue generating, and then those are the like so Ohio State picked football, basketball, football, men's and women's basketball, and then women's volleyball. Those are the sports that they put all of their money into when it comes to paying players. They know ball.

SPEAKER_04 11:40

They know ball. They know ball.

SPEAKER_07 11:44

In in the Big Ten, they do a lot, like a lot of volleyball is like a big thing. But it's bigger like a place like Nebraska, though. They know ball. They do no ball.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

They know ball. This'll sell.

SPEAKER_07 11:55

Those women's volleyball players have real Instagram followers. You gotta pay them to get them to go there. A lot of weirdos out there. A lot of weirdos. Just watching girls play volleyball and they're all they're getting their rocks off to it.

SPEAKER_06 12:08

Don't like it. It's cool. It is really cool. It's really cool to watch them play. Um, but I'm like, and it's funny. Guys, volleyball is cool and it's I'd say more exciting because they score quicker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:21

But I think it's balls go faster. They go faster. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:25

But watching women's volleyball, it's almost impressive how technical they're being. They're throw actually throwing out sets of what they're gonna run. But I feel weird watching it.

SPEAKER_07 12:35

Let's not even go that far as go to like the summary Olympics where they have the beach volleyball. A lot of people become real real experts at the sports.

Miami’s Bids, Lawsuits, And Side Deals

SPEAKER_06 12:47

I was like, that's that's that's crazy. Yeah. That's breaking some like the NFL. What a playoff game taking that many movies.

SPEAKER_04 12:54

Well, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_07 12:55

That's probably going a little too far.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

No, the last I'm gonna pull it up. You go on your next play. I'm gonna pull up how many how many views the beach volleyball got last year. Um you go ahead and keep talking.

SPEAKER_07 13:08

Okay, talking about the game. Indiana Hoosiers have now won a national championship. They have finished off their perfect season going 16-0, um, beating the Miami Hurricanes last night by a score of 27-21. This is a tale of in this game, Indiana played another perfect game where they, at least as perfect as they possibly could be. When Indiana came into this game, their whole plan was to play good defense, to run the football, which they really didn't do as much of as they probably wanted to, and to make sure that they don't give up any explosive like, and when it came down to it, Mendoza would go out there and make the plays necessary on third down, on fourth down, doing stuff like that.

SPEAKER_06 13:55

Okay. My statement was false. Yeah, obviously. It's still for the NCAA championship, the recent one, right? Drew over 10 million viewers.

SPEAKER_07 14:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 14:10

Ten million?

SPEAKER_07 14:12

Yeah. Is this for the Olympics or is this This is college volleyball.

SPEAKER_06 14:17

There's women, there's women's beach college volleyball.

SPEAKER_07 14:23

Oh, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:24

10 million.

SPEAKER_07 14:26

Yeah, that's asking for an issue.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

That's crazy.

Sister Scholarships, NIL Perks, And Ethics

Indiana vs Miami: National Championship Recap

SPEAKER_07 14:29

Um that's that's a tr that's a true number, then yeah, a little bit weird. A lot of weirdos out there. Not nothing I'm into, of course, but you know. Back to the game. Um, Mendoza did his thing. He didn't necessarily have the biggest explosive day. 16 to 27 for 186. I think he had a touchdown pass. No, he didn't have any touchdown passes. He had a touchdown run, which was a big one. Um, but other than that, like it he didn't necessarily have an explosive day, but guess what? It's just at the end of the day, when they needed some plays and they needed on third down, needed him on fourth down. That's exactly what he did. He pulled through pretty much every single time. And then you compare that to Miami, where in the first half they really couldn't do anything offensively at all. I would say their defense kind of came out and did play very hard at first, but at the end of the day, it w it almost felt like Miami defensively was just trying to play tough and not necessarily doing anything to really lock Indiana down. They slowed him down for sure, and it was crazy on the first play how one of the um Miami defenders came and managed to hit Mendoza right on the right on the chin, and then he ended up having the rest of the game with a bloody lip because of the um hit. It probably shouldn't have been a flag, should have been called, but it just wasn't in that in that case for some reason. But the defense for Miami really played tough. They made it hard on Indiana for the most part, but at the end of the day, when it came down to it, Indiana's way too um efficient. They're way too good on third and fourth down. Mendoza pretty much makes the play every single time. You had a blocked punt by um Indiana blocking the punt for Miami that led to a touchdown. That was a big deal, especially. I think that would happen in the third quarter. Hold on, I mentioned I'm not crazy here. Um, let's see. Touchdown. Was that in the fourth no? Or was that in the fourth quarter? I think that was in the fourth quarter. Um, but yeah, there's a block punt for a few um for a touchdown that helped out Indian in this game. And then at the end of the day, even with all that stuff happening in Miami was a lot more um penalized than what they have been throughout most of this playoff run. But again, that's just like it's almost like a regression to the mean because Miami had played so perfect in their first few playoff games that they had played. Carson Beck was doing the check-down Charlie for he was doing the perfect check-down Charlie for all three of the playoff games that they had played up until this night. And their running game had been doing very well. But the problem is that Indiana was like, hey, we're not gonna let you run the football the way that you think, way that you want to. And at the end of the, it all came down to, even though with some of the big plays that happened, Mark Fletcher had like a 50-something yard touchdown run, Carson Beck did have a touchdown pass, and I think that was more towards the um No, it's towards the end. That was Malachi Tony getting the getting the run and all that, making the play himself. Malachi Tony probably a decent amount of change. He's their young 18-year-old. You know, they call him Baby. He has the nickname Baby Jesus. I feel like every time I've ever heard somebody have the nickname Baby Jesus, they're always good at football. Like they're like amazingly good at football. That might be might be a stupid thing for me to have said, but you know, it is what it is. But they're paying him a lot of money to stay there. And it came down to at the end where Indiana got the ball away down the field, and they had a chance to go for a touchdown, couldn't get it, managed to go get on fourth down, and they it was like with around two minutes left. And he had a chance to either go for it on like fourth and five at around the 17-yard line, or to kick the field goal and go up by six. And for whatever reason, they've been going for it on fourth down all night, and for whatever and um Kurt Signetti at that point said, Hey, where Rabbit's gonna fit kick the field goal, go up by six, and just rely on her defense, which is kind of weird because it felt like every time that um Signetti had a chance to be aggressive, he was. But for whatever reason, in that moment, he just like said, Hey, I'm gonna turtle up a little bit, kind of do what I wouldn't normally do, and just rely on my defense to get the job done. And it almost backfired um Carson Beck early on, it almost felt like he was about to go three and out. Well, four and out because they had to go for the touchdown. Um on the third down play, they managed to um draw a rough in the passer call because one of the Indiana players went and got went and hit him right after he had thrown thrown the football, and that gave him an extra set of life, but then it came down to Carson Beck having to hit a bigger plat pass down the field. I'm not sure why he was trying to be so aggressive at the end of the game because they had plenty of time. They had, and I'm not sure if they had timeouts left or anything, but they had plenty of time left. All he had to do was hit a shorter pass, and he tries to go for it all, shorts it because the dude has a noodle arm and And one of the Indiana players kind of fell off the um route that he had and just went and picked it and ended the game. But that's most of the reaction, that's most of like the recapping of the game. That's why I kind of want to get to more of the macro of it all. Indiana pulled off one of the more improbable seasons I've probably ever experienced as a college football fan. And heck in sports. Like the way I think about it, like what other feat kind of matches what they had pulled off this year? Where Indiana before last season had started, they had the most losses in all of college football. And Kurt Signetti comes in last year, gets them to the playoff in year one, and then in year two, replaces the quarterback that he had in year one to year two to get Fernando Mendoza, and takes him not only to have him win a Heisman in his one and only year at Indiana, and then takes him all the way to win the national championship. Like that this is a huge feat by Kurt Signetti, and I feel like he deserves a lot of credit for this. And one thing I will say is that I am kind of mad that Ohio State didn't do their jobs in this in this playoff and beat Miami and get all the way back to face Indiana again. I will say I did get a little bit of a sense of closure by this game because the only two losses that Ohio State got all year was against both of these teams, and they played both of these teams pretty tough. And at the end of the day, I just feel like that gave me a little bit more closure because I'm sitting there like, maybe it maybe just wasn't our year. It doesn't take away the idea that I'm like, hey, we probably could have won the this national championship if they did what they were supposed to do. But you know, it is what it is sometimes. Sometimes you is not your year to go win it. It was this was Indiana's year, and they did it from start to finish, and they've every challenge that they had in front of them, they knocked it over and and did it with a not necessarily in dominant fashion, but they did it um emphatically. And I have to give them a lot of credit. Seriously. It's like the like what is this like this may be a story that 20, 30 years from now, we're gonna be talking about how we were in our prime sitting here able to watch the I watch Indiana pull off one of the more improbable national championship seasons to have ever happened in all of college football.

SPEAKER_06 22:14

Yeah. It probably something like this probably won't happen again. Indiana probably goes straight back to being mediocre.

SPEAKER_07 22:19

I'm not gonna say they're gonna be mediocre because I do think they're gonna have this might be the 2020s Clemson. Do you know Clemson had the 2010s where it was pretty much them in Alabama for years and they were kind of going back and forth? This could be Indiana's chance of like they can have this like little bit of a resurgence with Kurt Signetti here for like the next three, four, five years where they're in contention and they're nearly at the top of the Big Ten and they're battling with Ohio State and Alabama and all these other like this. Could be Indiana having that type of resurgence for a bit, just like Clemson had. I'm not gonna sit here and say that because I think Signetti is a really good head coach. I agree. There's some people that's gonna like say he's like the best coach in college football. Maybe I'm not willing to go there because he did it. Again, what he the improbable turnaround that he did, I think you might have to give him a little bit more credit for. So maybe there is some credence to instantly vaulting him up to the best in college football over guys like Ryan Day and Kirby Smart. But I don't know, man. Like he's a really good coach. They got really good dudes to come in the portal. Nick Marsh, a guy that you're very familiar with, decided to go there and they're getting guys there, and they're also doing a little bit more high school recruiting as well. And this is the time where and now they're just they're getting Mark Cuban a Indiana graduate. He's cutting them a$10 million check. So like now they're getting money in fusion that they didn't have before, huh? That's it.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Ain't you a big billionaire?

SPEAKER_07 23:46

I just think not necessarily I because here's the thing. Do I think it's a one-time check type of deal? I don't think so. Because if they keep coming with like different ideas, like, hey, Mark, we need to get this such and such player to keep us going.

SPEAKER_06 23:57

Six billion.

SPEAKER_07 23:58

Oh, yeah, for sure. You don't cut me off. I have no doubt he'll probably give more money, but the fact that he's willing to drop a$10 million check without any questions. You know what's funny? He did kind of jump in at the very end when things were really hot. He wasn't trying to be in when things weren't going as well. He wasn't like around the program last year. And then they have an improbable season this year. Now he wants to jump in. He wants to be at the game wearing the Indiana shirt. I'm like, man, maybe you're just trying to, you're you're showing up after the saucer was made and like trying to have a trying to have a nice little little breakfast instead of you know trying to get in while the while the uh everything was still cooking. But no, man, I just have to give Indiana a lot of credit. They've had they're having their moment. Signetti has his moment. And this is I have to tell you this. I was listening to Fernanda Mendoza after this game because they're giving him so much credit. Again, he deserves it. Wins it wins the um wins the Heisman, goes and wins a Natty. And we're listening to him talk because he was like he's a good old. Do you know he's the first Cuban-born um player to win the Heisman Trophy?

SPEAKER_06 25:02

Fernanda Mendoza?

SPEAKER_07 25:03

Yeah, he's from he's from Cuba. Yeah, um, but this is where this it got me while I was listening to him talk, do his interview after the game. Do you know who he reminds me of? There is a specific NFL player he reminds me of, and it made me realize why I find him so off-putting. Even though he's a very good guy, he seemingly he has a kind of like a good old country boy type of vibe to him. He reminds me of Kirko Chanz himself. Which is why I find it so off-putting. I'm like, man, he's about to have a great clips ad as soon as he gets to the NFL. He'll be that he'll be the head quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders after he gets picked the number one pick overall. I'm not saying he's not as good as Kirk Cousins, he's better than Kirk Cousins, I think, talent-wise, like physical attributes, but like I get the same vibe of like, you know, just trying to be the like the nice guy and doing everything right, always positive. And I'm like, as soon as I felt I've thought about it in my brain, I'm like, it was like an explosion. I'm like, oh, that's why I don't like him because I hate Kirk of the Chains. I find it to be very um disingenuous. Maybe it's more more real from Fernando Mendoza, but uh that's that's why I find it so weird coming from him.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

Um you care.

SPEAKER_07 26:28

You can't say you like you never care about the the player's personality. Because you care about Joe Burrow's personality.

SPEAKER_05 26:38

Yeah, but that's just Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_07 26:40

Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. He he's the exception, not the rule. I get you. Alright, fine. Um, Miami, I'm gonna give them a little bit of credit here. They built, even though I call their coach a blockhead a lot, and he did have a moment at the end of the first half where he was mismanaging the time and all of that. So a little bit, a little bit of that did come up in this moment in this game last night, but throughout the playoff run, he got the team ready. They were playing very good football. They they kind of found their identity even with the two losses that they had in the middle of the year, and they were following it to a team. He had them playing better, they weren't having as many um mistakes when it comes to penalties, and up until this game. And heck of actually, they really had a really perfect postseason up until this game last night. So I have to give them a lot of credit. Carson Beck, the guy that they paid, what are they five million dollars to to go from Georgia to there? He did what he had like early on in the season, they were trying to let him throw the football over the place, but by the end of the season they had changed their offense around, did a lot more running, and they'd really like turned it around to like really they were playing their brand of football all the way up until the end, until they needed Carson Beck to, you know, have a lot a game-saving drive at the end of the game, and he couldn't do it. But up until then, they had Carson Beck on a leash and they were he was doing exactly what he needed to do, and he was being a game manager and making the plays when they were when they had to be made. So Miami had to give them a lot of credit. They played very good last night. There was a point in last night's game where they could have kind of like just said, hey, it's not our night, let Indiana destroy us like they had done everybody else throughout the postseason so far, and they came back, they scored 10-14 points in the fourth quarter to try to make it close, and it just didn't manage to happen in the end because Indiana was just able to make the plays when it truly mattered most. But I will say that this is probably the most competitive national championship game in the College World playoff era era, I think, like because most of the other games in the playoffs in the uh championship game, they've all been either blowouts all altogether, or it was like you could just tell obviously there was one team that was a lot better than the other. But this is a very competitive game, and it was a good game from start to finish, and I have to give them a lot of credit because these two teams did what they were supposed to do last night and they put on a show.

unknown 28:54

I agree.

Mendoza’s Heisman, Clutch Drives, And Legacy

SPEAKER_07 28:55

Even if it wasn't a light show when it comes to points or anything. But it was two good teams going at it, and people, and one thing I do want to say, because I talk about how these teams are old, both of them are old, because it's now a thing to talk about how Indiana has a bunch of old players, but they both have old players. Miami actually has on average an older team than what Indiana does. So don't necessarily get all blinded by Indiana having all the old JMU players. Miami has a bunch of old dudes too. One of their best players, their defensive end, uh Mesador, he's 25 years old. So you the both the averages are around 20, 21, 22 years old being the average age of these teams. So it goes for both ways. I feel like that's the way the way of college football going from now on because having a young team in college football for the for the foreseeable future doesn't make any sense because you're paying everybody, so why would you pay a young dude that you may not know can play when you compare an older guy that's been in college football for multiple years making plays in the weight room and all of that? So I think in general, like some of the top teams are all going to be looking for trying to get older players that are just stronger and more developed in general to kind of help their teams fill out rather than looking for the high school, the next great high school player that's be that's gonna be willing to sit for a year or two and develop before they're able to get onto the field. So, but no, all in all, great game last night, great season overall, and Indiana, all the flowers in the world, Kurt Signetti. He you don't automatically, because he won the championship last night, he's automatically volted when it comes to his his contract. He'll be a top three paid head coach automatically based off winning the national championship game. Good on him and good on his agent to make it happen because that's like ultimate belief in yourself when they when he signed a contract extension in the middle of the year when Penn State came calling. So the fact that he was able to get that written into his contract was was a big deal by him. And again, Kurtzignetti from what everybody says is a very like self um confident, cocky type of guy. Heck, one of the first things he said when he went to Indiana was I win, Google me. And the fact that he believed in himself enough to know that that this moment can happen and write that into the contract and get it done is what it is, and he did an amazing job. So credit to both those teams last night for having a great game. And that's it for College Ball. You got anything else?

SPEAKER_06 31:17

No, I didn't really watch the game last night. I just didn't care.

SPEAKER_07 31:21

I I knew because I'm sitting here talking about myself.

SPEAKER_06 31:23

Usually, if you have watched even a little bit, I saw the club of those are running in.

SPEAKER_07 31:28

That was a great play. Like he had a that was more of a Heisman moment than anything he did in the Nat in the Big Ten championship game against Ohio State when that was considered his Heisman moment. So I'm glad he got to have he got to have that moment where I think it was like fourth and five from like the ten from like the 12 yard line, and they run a quarterback sneak on that play, which is kind of ballsy.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yeah, it was, but I he made it happen, man.

SPEAKER_07 31:52

He made it happen. Do you know he actually tried to walk on to Miami when he first was going into college and they told him no?

SPEAKER_00 31:58

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 31:59

Because he's from there, obviously. He's from Miami, so he tried to walk on and they told him no. That's why he ended up having to go to Cal and then ended up the story goes from there, he ends up transferring to Indiana doing all the all that he's doing this year. But yeah, it's crazy enough how Miami's having to pay all these dudes millions and millions of dollars to come be their quarterback when they could have got a guy right off right off from their home turf and he would have walked on, not even have to give him a give him a um scholarship to play there. It's funny how time goes sometimes. So that's it for college football. Do you like would you like to know the top three teams odds-wise for to be the best teams next year to win the national title. And uh 2026. So when it comes to odds, win the 2026 national championship. Number one is Ohio State at plus 600, is the early favorite. Notre Dame's behind them, Oregon's behind them, and Texas all at plus 700, and then you have Indiana at plus 800, then Georgia at plus 900. Those are the top five. So the fact you even get a team like Indiana in there where they're like our early favorite to start the year.

SPEAKER_06 33:16

What they won't be. They're gonna be bad.

SPEAKER_07 33:19

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_06 33:21

They're gonna be bad.

SPEAKER_07 33:23

They got one of the top transfer quarterbacks this year to go play for them next year. Um, it's Hoover. Josh Hoover. He was the quarterback at TCU. Josh Hoover. I'm gonna say, even the fact they're getting this early love going into next season is a is a big deal.

SPEAKER_06 33:44

I guess, bro. I guess.

SPEAKER_07 33:48

All right, let's get off of this. Obviously, Jace didn't pay attention enough. Again, I I get it. I get it. You you were locked, you were pretty much off on college football up until like pretty much ever since Michigan State was awful. So, you know, it is what it is. Let's get to the NFL. We had the so for the NFL, we had what was this, the divisional round games this past weekend? Four games in total. Two of them were great, the other two were god-awful for their own separate reasons. Huh?

SPEAKER_06 34:23

What two were great?

SPEAKER_07 34:25

Sorry, competitive.

SPEAKER_06 34:27

What two were that?

SPEAKER_07 34:29

The Bills game. Bills and Broncos was competitive. Yes, it was, and so was the Rams and Bears.

SPEAKER_06 34:36

That one was dumb. But that one was good, but the Bills Broncos was fucking retarded.

SPEAKER_07 34:42

I again I know where I know where you're going with saying that, but the game in general was competitive.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

It was not competitive, it was stupid.

SPEAKER_07 34:51

Okay, we can we talk about want to talk about the games in order or you do want do you have one you want to start with first?

SPEAKER_03 34:56

I don't know, Joe. What do you think?

SPEAKER_07 35:00

I think you want to start with, you know, talking trash about Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

I watched this whole game. I was at an engagement party, still watching the game.

SPEAKER_07 35:08

I know you made it very clear. Actually, it's that's the first game anyway.

SPEAKER_06 35:18

Oh no. That's why I didn't know.

SPEAKER_07 35:19

That's the first one chronologically. So we'll talk about the first one. Bills Broncos. This one was on Saturday. This was the early game. Put that motherfucker on fraud alert. Denver Broncos beat the Buffalo Bills 33 to 30. Suicide Prevention Alert. It's not gonna go that far. Again, Josh Allen does get to go back to having a great wife, obviously, having a child. And he gets to have a great life otherwise. And he's way he's Buku Bucks paid.

SPEAKER_06 35:45

So I feel like he has other things in his life that is less paid than everybody else since he plays in New York.

SPEAKER_07 35:52

Are you talking about taxes right now?

SPEAKER_06 35:53

Yes, he's less paid than everybody else.

SPEAKER_07 35:56

I'm just saying he still makes a ton of money. He does. Still has a wonderful wife, Haley Seinfeld.

SPEAKER_06 36:00

Less than Dak.

SPEAKER_07 36:02

Well, again, you're talking now you're you're you're splitting hairs here.

SPEAKER_06 36:05

No, fuck Josh Allen. Less than Joe Burrow. Way less than Mar Burr.

SPEAKER_07 36:11

Doesn't have to go that far. It ended in a little bit of a controversy. Denver Broncos won the game 33-30 in overtime. You go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

No, no, you go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 36:25

Okay, so this game started. It was early on. It was a pretty competitive game. Denver. I can just see your face. Your face right now. You just have a face where you're right. You're like a you're like a you're like a cougar ready to pounce.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

I'm just losing it. I'm just gonna go. I hate you. I ain't even said nine yet.

SPEAKER_07 36:51

The game started a little bit slow. Yeah. Field goal drive by Brunt by Denver. You have the it was only two drives in the first half. Both teams are taking up, taking a lot of the ball, air out of the ball, kind of having long developing drives. Field goal drive by Denver with like seven minutes, and then touchdown drive by Buffalo with like a 12-minute drive. No, sorry, not seven-minute drive with like 12 plays. Ended up being 7-3 at the end of the first quarter. Second quarter, Denver kind of exploded, scored 17 points, including three points at the end of the half where Josh Allen kind of had his opportunity with like 20-something seconds left. They were trying to be aggressive, and Josh Allen had, you know, the uh-oh dumb play, fumbles while he was trying to run, which is why it was crazy that they were trying to run because they had no timeouts or anything. So as soon as he decided to run, the game, the half was over. Like there was no plays after that. And he fumbled, he was holding the ball like a loaf of bread. Ball got taken out of his hand, and then Denver Bach was able to take the ball and then manage to get into field goal range and hit a field goal without without any time left to then go up 13 to 10 instead of the half being tied 10-10. Um the second quarter was messed up by the fact that the um I'm forgetting the running back's name.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

James Cook.

NFL Divisional Round Setup

Broncos Beat Bills: Turnovers And Tears

SPEAKER_07 38:14

James Cook. In that second quarter early on, they were still up seven to three, and they were in the red zone, doing their thing, like they're about to go on a nice little scoring drive, and he fumbles the football. That takes away points from their drive, at least three, if not seven, and then that leads to the Broncos having the scoring drive, and then Buffalo gets it back for a three, and then the Denver Broncos ends ends up taking the ball back and scoring the touchdown drive in order to tie the game up, and I feel like that's what made Buffalo want to be a little more aggressive, and that's what led to Josh Allen getting the fumble like he did. Is that on him? Yes. Would you have liked for him to not make that mistake? Yes. Heck, even if that scenario, if you were trying to go and really get points in that drive, don't run at all. Throw the ball away and give yourself another chance to have another play. But like once you decided to run, you have to be very conservative with holding on to that football and making sure you don't give it up. Because that gave up three points to Denver, and that was potentially the difference in the day. And that was the what's the word I'm looking for? That's a referendum on the whole day for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. As many good things as Josh Allen did in this game to get them to the point where they had a chance to win it, it was the turnovers that Josh Allen had that really ended up being the difference in this game. He had, what was it, three picks in a fumble? No, two fumble, two loss fumbles in the interception. Two interceptions. So at that I have to blame him for because he didn't do what he was supposed to do. The one thing, even though you're trying to win this football game, is to not turn the football over. And this was a thing in all the games that they were playing. Played on Saturday and Sunday was that the team that had the most turnovers in that game lost. And unfortunately, Josh Allen on his side had the most turnovers in this game. And especially when you compare that to Bo Nicks, who played a lot better of a football game, only had one pick. Like, so that that's the difference here. And Josh Allen, 25-39, 283, three touchdowns, two picks, also had the two fumbles as well, so the four four total turnovers. And as much as the running that he had, too. So like as much as he did the Superman thing, which has been his whole career, the more Superman he has to try to do, the more untrustworthy he can be with the football when it comes to turning it over. And that's what did him in this game. And I also have to give the Buffalo Bills defensive credit. They were playing very tough and they played a lot better than I thought they would. But at the end of the day, it was Denver Broncos making enough plays to win Bo Knicks, 26 of 46 for 279, three touchdowns and a pick. Denver couldn't run the football in this game at all, so like that wasn't necessarily helpful for them. And it was Marvin Mims, eight catches, 93 yards, and a touchdown. Cortland Sutton, four catches, 53 yards. And RJ Harvey had 46 yards off five catches. Lil Jordan Humphrey, two catches, 33 yards, and a touchdown. Again, insane how you name your child Lil Jordan. And I'm black, and I think that's like a little bit a tad bit too far for normal life. And then their lineman, Frank Crum, also had a touchdown catch in this game, which is a very good play call the way they had it. But I had to mention it because it was just such a again, every team practically has a play where they have a lineman go out to catch a pass. But it looked good. They made it happen, and he caught the ball and ran it in for the touchdown, and credit to him on that. But it came down to it, first half, um, that big turnover at the end of the half that gave Denver Broncos a free three points. And then in the second half, Josh Allen throwing those picks that he threw were a big deal. The one pick was on was totally on him where it was double coverage down the field with Curtis Samuel, and Josh Allen decides to throw it for some reason. It didn't make any sense to me why he was trying to do it. There was still plenty of time left. There was no reason to keep pressing. They were close to field goal range at that point, and he decides to push it down the field and it didn't work out. And that was a big that pick was totally on him. There was no reason to throw the football whatsoever. And then you had the pick at the end of the game that um I think that was an overtime that he threw that pick. And did you think that was a pick in the moment? I had I struggled with it, but then I heard something over just listening to different things throughout the day. And this is the one that kind of turned me on it. Because I'm like, I wasn't convicted enough to like be mad about it at all. And I wasn't like saying, like, oh, this is like a big big deal, because I'm like, whatever they called on the field, there wasn't enough video evidence-wise to overturn whatever they called on the field. But the way that I heard somebody talk about it was if you think that was a completed pass, then you also have to think if there wasn't a person there, and Cook goes up to catch the pass, goes down, has the football in his hands, and then and the ball comes out, then you also have to think it was a fumble. If there was no person there, and there was no way I was thinking that's a fumble if there was no guy there, if James Cook just I mean, sorry, not Brandon Cook didn't Brandon Cook's didn't hold on to the football, just surviving the ground. So I was convinced by that logic that I'm like, hey, okay, fine, you have to get behind the fact that that it was an interception, he didn't have um possession of it. I do think the NFL does take on some culpability when it comes to like not being able to relay that and being consistent in that fact when it comes to what's a catch in those in those those moments there. But in that moment they got it right, and that those the difference in the game. And Bo Nick's did what he had to do. He did break his ankle. That's like one of the more frustrating parts, is that they win the game, and it turns out in the last drive, um, Bonex had fractured his ankle having surgery. He won't be playing for the rest of the postseason, and now he's gonna be having um Jared Siddham, his backup, starting in the AFC Championship game for the Broncos. And then after the game, Josh Allen's crying, literally sobbing while he's doing his post-game pressure. Um, their offensive lineman, um Deion Dawkins, heard what Josh Allen said. When Josh Allen, I have to give him a little bit of credit here, he does own it and says he says he let the team down, he didn't play well the well enough, and all those turnovers are on him. Dawkins gets all upset and says, hey, it's not all on him. He didn't let the team down because again, he's just trying to be a supportive teammate. And this is where you come in and you talk about how trash Josh Allen was.

SPEAKER_06 45:03

Oh, is it my turn?

SPEAKER_07 45:05

Yeah, yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_06 45:08

Oh, thank God.

SPEAKER_07 45:11

Unless you have anything else to talk about the actual game itself, Bronco was played great. The Bo Nicks, of all the quarterbacks, before you get to the Josh Allen hate, of all the quarterbacks that played on Saturday and Sunday in the NFL, Bo Nicks had the best day. And even though Bo Nicks was not awesome, he just didn't turn the football over, and that was enough because every other quarterback did. So now you can get to your Josh Allen hate, and we'll have this little argument because I know it's gonna be an argument.

SPEAKER_06 45:38

It doesn't have to be an argument. He deserves the hate.

SPEAKER_07 45:40

It doesn't have to be. And before you get to it, one last thing. The people that are so quick to take up for Josh Allen need to take a chill pill. If Josh Allen after that game was emotional and talk about the fact that he was willing to take on, because again, if you there's one thing you can say about Josh Allen, he is very self-aware about where he fits and where he's at, and every time you ever ask him a question, he's gonna be honest. And in this moment, he was honest, he was emotional about it because you could just tell that but not only him but his team thought that this was their opportunity. There's no Patch Mahomes, there's no Joe Burrow, there's no Lamar Jackson, he is the best player in going into the playoffs, he is the best player, best quarterback at the most important position. And you can tell based off his reaction after the game that they thought that was their moment. He had he picked a very bad day to have the game that he had, and he was honest about it, and he took he wore it on the chip wore it on the chin for it. But every other commentator and sports talk guy that took ad um took up for him, they need to get they need to get their stuff in order because I'm just like you can't always come to Josh Allen's defense. Sometimes you just have to own when you had a bad day, and Josh Allen had a bad day, and he owns that. And as a if you were gonna be the guy that talks about how talented Josh Allen is, he's one of the best, one of the most talented quarterbacks you've ever seen, then you have then you have to also let him take on the blame when he has a game like he did, because if he just doesn't turn the football over, they win that game. Broncos got like 13 points off turnovers, and that's all on Josh Allen. Like it again, that the one pick, okay, fine, but he underthrew that ball to Cooks. Like that was the difference. If he would have just threw it in front of him, that was either going to be incomplete. He also had a chance at the end of uh regulation. He overthrew Dawson Knox for sure. If he would just hit him right on the numbers, that would have been a touchdown. And he also skipped the one ball to Khalil Shakir. It was like a screen pass. If he would have just thrown it right to him to his chest, that would have been a touchdown as well, that would have ended the game. So there we he had opportunities to win the game when it comes to scoring touchdowns, and then he also turned the football over in bad in bad spots and spots that hurt his team. He has to own that. And now you can be a Josh Allen hater.

SPEAKER_06 48:09

Can I?

SPEAKER_07 48:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:13

Josh Allen. He's a fucking fraud. He's a fucking fraud. Um he's a fraud. I can't. Um he goes out there and plays like shit. This is the door has closed on him. I don't think he's he's never getting a Super Bowl. I can almost confirm that with you right the fuck now. He is never getting a Super Bowl. I can't say never. He is never getting a Super Bowl by hella high water. Mahomes is never leading the Chiefs. He's never winning a Super Bowl. It is as simple as that.

SPEAKER_07 49:02

It's hard to argue that right now after the game that he has.

SPEAKER_06 49:05

You can't argue that. He is never winning a Super Bowl. He has never never made it past a fucking divisional round. And he's not as talented as the other guys who are above him. He's not as talented as Mahomes, and he's not as talented as Joe Burrow. They do things that he can't do.

SPEAKER_07 49:20

He's just as talented, which makes that much worse when he has games like that.

SPEAKER_06 49:24

He's not. If he's just as talented, he would have done the same thing, if not similar things what they've done. But he can't do those things.

SPEAKER_07 49:32

You can have the talent and not realize, not take advantage of such talent.

SPEAKER_06 49:36

No, he's not as talented. An actual quarterback doesn't miss those throws. That throw to Dawson Knox, fucking crazy. Dawson Knox had 10 steps on the guy behind him. Dawson Knox was so far in front, but by the time Dawson Knox had jumped and landed, dude didn't even catch up to him yet.

SPEAKER_07 49:53

True. Surtain was about to hit him, though. So like you had to put the ball on him. It wasn't like he was wide open. Oh no, for sure. He'll he would take it. But I'm saying that like that wasn't like a wide open, he was just standing there by himself moment.

SPEAKER_06 50:09

I and I I understand, Joe, but I can't, dude. I can't. Of he has been this was his greatest and best moment to win this football game and to go to the Super Bowl. I truly believe that this is his year to win the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_07 50:26

Yeah. The main nemesis that he's had over the past few years is not in it, obviously being Patrick Mahomes. The other guy that had given him trouble, um, Joe Burrow, is not in the playoffs at all. Heck, even though Josh Allen owns um Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson is not in it. And then you're facing guys like, you know, Drake May, who was a young guy wet behind the ears. Um and then you're looking at the other quarterbacks, you're looking at Bo Nicks, Drake May, and CJ Stroud.

SPEAKER_06 51:01

And he lost a fucking Bonex. He's the he lost to the least talented quarterback in the playoff. I understand. The Broncos are a hard team to play. They have an outstanding defense. Bo Nicks was fucking mediocre as fuck.

SPEAKER_07 51:14

He didn't turn the football over. That was the main reason why he played so well.

SPEAKER_06 51:17

Josh Allen, he was just straight up not taking care of this football.

SPEAKER_07 51:21

True. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:23

A top f a top three quarterback take care of the football.

SPEAKER_07 51:27

Yeah. He has to own that. That is something he has to own.

SPEAKER_06 51:31

He played like dog shit.

SPEAKER_07 51:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:33

And they lost.

SPEAKER_07 51:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:35

Joe Broad on that don't play like dog shit in that situation. Mahomes don't play like dog shit in that situation.

SPEAKER_08 51:40

That's true.

SPEAKER_06 51:41

No, in sp we've seen it. In Mahomes, in spite of his team being absolutely fucking horrendous, he's still the best player in the field. There was times where I was like, I don't know who the fuck's the best player in the field. It's not Josh Allen. It's not Josh Allen. He was fucking abysmal.

SPEAKER_07 52:00

He was bad. No question.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

And I hate it. I I think he is the most overhyped motherfucker in the NFL. Because top three quarterbacks don't do that in this situation. That's why Lamar's never been in a top three for me. Because he fucking crumbles under pressure. So does Josh Allen. When this motherfucker tries to be Superman, you know what happens? He turns the fucking sucks. He fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_08 52:22

True. I will give it a.

SPEAKER_06 52:23

If I have to lift above to be better than whatever else is happening around me, he can't do that. He is unable to do that. And even when he can, when he can do that, there's always someone better. Which is why I don't think he's that good. I think he's a great quarterback. I think he's an elite quarterback. I don't think he's one of the greatest. I don't think he's one of the I think he I don't think he's one of the best playing right now. He's probably top five, top ten. But there's probably there's definitely five motherfuckers. I'm taking over him every fucking time because I know they can do it in the at the end of the day. I know at the end of the day they're going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_07 53:07

That's where I disagree. I agree with everything you've said up until that.

SPEAKER_06 53:11

CJ Stroud, despite what has happened to him over the last three years, way fucking better quarterback.

SPEAKER_07 53:15

He has some soul searching to do. It's hard to say after the day.

SPEAKER_06 53:18

I agree with you. I agree. He was bad. I don't know if you saw him playing. That ball is snapped. There's a defender in his face. I'm throwing this bitch away. I'm throwing this to whoever the fuck's down there.

SPEAKER_07 53:27

Yeah, but he the bad decisions. Again, when we talk about Josh Allen making bad decisions.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

I agree. And like I'm going to do it. CJ had that in spades. Like I just said, at his best, CJ Stroud's a way better fucking quarterback.

SPEAKER_07 53:37

That's a projection. Again, we've seen more out of Josh Allen in his career.

SPEAKER_06 53:40

I know that. I know CJ Stroud's a better quarterback at his best. I've seen it. You've seen it.

SPEAKER_07 53:44

You know I'm a CJ Stroud Stan, but I'm not. I can't be there right now. No, I can't be there right now. Not with you. I can't.

SPEAKER_06 53:51

But you weren't fighting me. At his best, CJ Stroud's a better quarterback. Fuck, Drake Makes turned out to be a better fucking quarterback.

unknown 53:57

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 53:58

Drake May has played like ass all playoffs.

SPEAKER_06 54:00

And who's in the division around? Who's in the AFC Championship?

SPEAKER_07 54:03

Again, yeah, but he's faced two quarterbacks that have terrible days when it comes to turning over the football.

SPEAKER_06 54:09

What are the two teams he's faced? He faced the Texans. That's an elite defense.

SPEAKER_07 54:17

Yes, but when CJ has four, four, um, four picks and a fumble, not good.

SPEAKER_06 54:25

The Texans were ripping that ball out. They were getting the ball a lot, too.

SPEAKER_07 54:28

Again, I get that.

SPEAKER_06 54:29

They had so many chances.

SPEAKER_07 54:32

So Drake May had that game where they got to turn the football over a lot. I can't agree with that. I can't.

SPEAKER_06 54:41

Whatever you want to say. I think there's five motherfuckers I'm taking over Josh Allen right now. Guaranteed.

SPEAKER_07 54:45

I don't even want to go down that road because we we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that.

SPEAKER_06 54:48

I'm taking Stafford over him 100%.

SPEAKER_07 54:50

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_06 54:51

I'm taking Mahomes over him 100%. Fine. I'm taking Joe Burrow over 100%.

SPEAKER_07 54:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 54:56

Uh see, I don't know quarterbacks like that.

SPEAKER_07 55:00

Are you saying health notwithstanding?

SPEAKER_06 55:02

Fuck, I'm taking Sam Darnold at this point over that nigga.

SPEAKER_07 55:04

Are you saying health notwithstanding?

SPEAKER_06 55:05

Yeah, health notwithstanding. Joe Burrow's a far better fucking quarterback. I'm taking Sam fucking Darnold over that nigga.

SPEAKER_07 55:11

Can't do that.

SPEAKER_06 55:12

No, that's crazy. You see how Sam Darnold played? Stone cold killer.

SPEAKER_07 55:16

No, he wasn't. He wasn't a stone cold killer in that game. He had a torn oblique. He wasn't even really all that good in that game. It was just San Fran had nothing for them at all in that game. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_06 55:27

Oh. And with that torn oblique, he still threw less interceptions than Josh Allen did. I get it.

SPEAKER_07 55:33

No, for sure. Josh Allen had to awful day.

SPEAKER_06 55:35

None.

SPEAKER_07 55:36

Again, but he didn't, he didn't have to do anything. He just got to hand the football off.

SPEAKER_06 55:40

And he still had a touchdown. He still went 12-17.

SPEAKER_07 55:44

I get that. But I'm just like, the amount of weight that is put on Sam Darnold's shoulders is way less than Josh Allen. Because without Josh Allen on that team, Josh, okay, Josh, the two things can be true at the same time. Josh Allen being a great player is the only reason why Buffalo got as far as it did in the playoffs. If Josh Allen's not on that team, they're not making the playoffs. They're not being one of the best teams in the NFL. But he also played like ass in that game.

SPEAKER_06 56:06

Dude, what you're saying, I hate that fucking statement. If Josh Allen's not on the Bills, they're on a playoff team. If Joe Burrow's not on the bags, they're on a playoff team. If any team doesn't have their fucking quarterback, guess who they are? A fucking playoff team. Stop saying that stupid shit. Stop saying that stupid shit. That is the stupidest fucking argument you have ever given me. You take the quarterback of a football team and take them off the team. Guess where they're not, what they're not doing.

SPEAKER_07 56:29

Does Joe Burrow have help? Yes. Josh Allen doesn't have the same amount of help that Joe Burrow has.

SPEAKER_06 56:35

Neither does Mahomes. Most years Mahomes don't fucking have.

SPEAKER_07 56:38

Mahomes has the best coach in the NFL.

SPEAKER_06 56:41

Isn't that what Doug McDermott's supposed to be?

SPEAKER_07 56:43

Nope. They didn't believe that's why they. Sean McDermott.

SPEAKER_06 56:46

Doug McDermott's a basketball player. My default.

SPEAKER_07 56:48

Dougie Fresh. He went to the play for the Bulls.

SPEAKER_06 56:51

He did. And he played for a lot of teams, actually.

SPEAKER_07 56:53

And he went. He plays a lot in China.

SPEAKER_06 56:55

Yes. He's a 3 and D guy.

SPEAKER_07 56:57

But no, I just think Mahomes has the best coach in all the NFL. A great play caller and all that. Again, and Mahomes had his years when he had the Tyree Kill big play offense that helped him a lot to where I don't have to be perfect. I can just hit the bomb to Tyree to go win the game.

SPEAKER_05 57:12

Oh, you were talking about Joe Burrow's health. You're right.

SPEAKER_07 57:15

Joe Burrow has more health than Josh Allen does right now.

SPEAKER_06 57:17

Josh Allen has a better defense. Joe Burrow has to be perfect.

SPEAKER_07 57:22

No, okay. He has a tad bit better defense. Their defense top 10. Have you seen the Bills' defense was top 10 this year, yes. But it's a bunch of like the Bengals defense. Yeah, nothing. 32.

SPEAKER_06 57:39

Where were they last year?

SPEAKER_07 57:40

31. Where were they last year? 29. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, but when Joe Burrow's out there healthy doing his thing, guess who he has to throw to? Jamar Chase and T. Higgins.

SPEAKER_06 57:50

And he has to be perfect. Every game is still a shootout. I we every game's a shootout.

SPEAKER_07 57:55

He still has to be fucking perfect because every game's a shootout. Is Jamar Chase a top, his number one receiver? He has to be perfect. If Joe Burrow throws more than one interception in the game, we lose that game. I understand. But same thing with Josh Allen. If he has a bad day, they lose too. No! They had a he had a fucking awful day and they were still competitive. Because his defense was getting stopped. No, because yes, in that game.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

His defense were getting fucking stopped. So he had someone to rely on when he was able to be bad. If you've seen it, Joe Bro throws more than one interception in a game. Let's go not two years ago. My bad, last year. Nine and eight. 4,800 yards. What was it? 48 touchdowns? Nine interceptions. He threw two interceptions against the Browns and we lost. He threw two interceptions against the Broncos and we almost lost.

SPEAKER_08 58:51

Right?

SPEAKER_06 58:52

Any game he threw more than one interception, we were going to fucking lose. We lost eight games. And in most of those games, he put up 40 and we still lost by more than two touchdowns. He has to be perfect. Because there's nothing to rely on. When the ball goes back to the other team, the Bills have a solid enough defense where they can get the ball back.

SPEAKER_07 59:16

They can get a stop. Yes. I totally agree with that. I do.

SPEAKER_06 59:19

So Just Allen does not have to be perfect. He was not perfect in this fucking game. And they were still close to winning it. And he was selling the play.

SPEAKER_07 59:27

He was far from perfect. Not even close to perfect.

SPEAKER_06 59:29

No, and he was selling the game. He did. That defense played great and he was selling. He was selling like a motherfucker. They lost that game because of him.

SPEAKER_08 59:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:39

Competitive in that game, in spite of him.

SPEAKER_07 59:42

Yeah. In spite of his probably a little too strong.

SPEAKER_06 59:47

No, in spite of him, they were competitive. He was doing jack shit to keep them competitive. That defense was the highlight.

SPEAKER_07 59:56

He did still throw for two eighty three and had three touchdown passes.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:00

How many interceptions?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:01

Yeah, he had the two and then two fumbles.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:02

They scored 13 off of his off of his turnovers, yeah. Oh, yeah, that just negated everything he fucking did.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:11

It negates a lot of it. No, I agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:13

That means he was a net fucking negative. He was negative for that game.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:17

It can't be a negative, but I just, yes, what-was it in baseball?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:19

Wins above replacement. If he was a fucking pitcher, they would have replaced his ass.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:24

They wouldn't have.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:25

No, they would have replaced his ass.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:27

They had no they that they again, without him, they have no they have no chance even before the game starts.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:32

With him, they clearly had no fucking chance. Because he was doing nothing. The game was so competitive, but the He threw his first touchdown in the first fucking quarter. What did he do after that? Please tell me.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:43

After that?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:44

After that, what did he fucking do? He stole two other touchdown passes. And two interceptions. And two fumbles.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:50

So he had more turnovers than he had touchdowns.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:55

So he literally was losing them the game.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:00

So he literally did fuck all.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:02

Without that, without the turnovers, they win the game.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:04

Oh, so he did fuck all. That whole game, he did fuck all.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:08

I just feel like there is there is a middle ground between fuck all and he was awesome, and there like there's a middle ground here.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:15

No, the middle ground is you go, you go three interceptions, two turnovers. You go three touchdowns, two turnovers. That you did something. You had a positive. No, you did fuck all. You had four turnovers and three touchdowns. Yeah. One of those touchdowns in the first quarter. When was his next touchdown?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:35

Third quarter.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:36

How many turnovers did he have by then?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:41

It'd been the one because he threw the pick. He threw the picks in the second half. I'll look at the play-by-play right now. The interceptions that he threw, he threw one in the third quarter, and then he threw the one in the fourth quarter. No, sorry. One in the third quarter and then the one in overtime. Those were his two picks. And then the the fumbles happened in the second quarter. Yeah, both fumbles he had happened in the second quarter. Because the one fumble he had was like the bad one right before half, and then the other one was the one where they were getting close. Hold on. No, that fumble was James Cook's. Sorry, one in the third, one in the third at the end of the third quarter. There you go. He was it was a strip sack. I don't blame quarterback for strip sacks, dude. Unless, like, again, you're sitting there in the pocket.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:33

Motherfucker, when it's the most running quarterback and one of the most quarterbacks that runs the most, if you are going down, you tuck the football.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:42

No, no, I'm talking about when you're trying to make a pass and your arm is out, and the guy comes in and knocks the ball out of your hand as you're trying to make a pass, you like that you can't, like he's trying to throw the football. Like, again, that's just is what it is.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:52

I've watched quarterbacks pull that bitch down because you know it's about pocket awareness.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:57

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:58

Until he had fucking none of it. So you know what that means? That means by the time he had another touchdown, he had done fuck all.

Seahawks Dismantle Injury-Riddled Niners

SPEAKER_07 1:03:06

Look, man, I'm I I everything you're he deserves all he deserves all the bad he did. All the bad he did, he deserves to own that. Not all of them, literally by numbers, 13 of the 21 points that he scored. And that's just saying if you just want to go hard, I threw those touchdown passes and I fumbled the football or turned it over. 13 of 21. That's not a net negative. If you're just going hard numbers. But again, I get what you're saying. He does again, you're you're talking about because you've been very much in the camp of he's been overrated. And again, to a certain degree, a lot of people love Josh Allen because of his personality, and then don't want to look at the times that he has a bad game where he's being honest about himself, but nobody else wants to. Nobody else wants to be because they're like, they I like him. I feel sorry for him. I totally agree with, I totally agree with those that fact. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:01

Lamar, he gets fucking chastised for it.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:03

No, you're heck, CJ, he gets chastised. Like people are talking about whether he deserves to have a future in the NFL.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:09

And you are high if you think so.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:12

And P and people are sitting there, and then with Josh Allen, everybody's like, oh, it's not all his fault. He's the only reason he's there. So that that's where I totally I totally get where you're coming from with the negativity, because it's like he deserves negativity. He does not, he should not just be taken up for for anybody out there because they like him.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:28

You screwed the pooch. He screwed the pooch. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:33

That is where I'm not willing to go there.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:35

Go enjoy being fucking the Phillip Rivers of the NFL for the rest of your fucking career. You are not getting a Super Bowl. You're gonna put up a hella fucking stats. You're probably gonna be like a second or third battle Owen Framer. You are never getting to a chip.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:47

Potentially, yeah, that could be his career.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:51

You need to pray Mahomes leaves the Chiefs and Joe Burrow retires because you are never getting a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:56

Joe Flacco has a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:59

Joe Flacco was backed by a top defense all time.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:02

Eli Manning had two Super Bowl runs, but outside of that was 50% in his career.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:08

Was also backed by a top, two top defenses.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:12

Uh also, Eli didn't turn that bitch over. Flacco didn't turn that bitch over. You know what they did.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:20

In those playoff runs, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:21

They didn't go to the playoffs. It was their year. You know what they did? I'm gonna do nothing, but I'm gonna throw maybe one or two touchdowns, and I'm not gonna fuck it up. Yeah. That's all you have to do. That's all you had to fucking do.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:33

I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:34

So it takes 13 points off the Broncos board.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:38

For sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:39

You don't turn the ball over. So yeah, you want to talk about Eli and Flacco. Eli and Flacco, guess what they were able to do? No, I'm fucking it's gonna put the fuck up. Yeah, you're right. They had Super Bowls on teams where they were not the centerpiece. All they had to do was make the play that was needed to be made. Josh Allen couldn't even do that to save his fucking life last night. If I was to fucking put money down on that game, I'd be at Josh Allen's fucking door burning his shit down because he was that fucking atrocious. You know what's funny? I did put money on that game. I bet the Broncos to win. I walked out with$40. Because I knew that motherfucker's trash.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:18

Trash is going too far. I agree with everything you're saying. You just take the extra step that I can't go with you on. I agree with everything else you're saying. I totally do. It's just you go the extra step of saying the dude doesn't deserve to exist. And I'm like, nah, maybe we're going a little too far with it. As a football player. He doesn't deserve to exist as a football player.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:37

Like, at this like this, you cannot exist on the same plan as the motherfuckers who are clearly better than you. I want this to cease. I want it to cease. I swear to you, if Drake May goes out there and wins a fucking Super Bowl, I'm going to tell you. I'm hoping to God it doesn't happen. You're going to be real fucking pissed. Come our top five quarterback list next year. Because that nigga Josh Allen is not going to be up there. I'm going to find six niggas better than him. He will not make it past seven for me.

unknown 1:07:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:07

I'm not again.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:08

Because there is something called their stone called fucking killer when it comes to playing in these games. Joe Burrow has it. Mahomes has it. Of their winning in this game by hella high water. You've seen it. We watched Joe Burrow get sacked nine motherfucking times. Yeah. Talk about in his face. The Titan sacked his ass nine times. And he's still still winning that game by a touchdown.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:29

Yeah, I agree. I again all those things I agree with.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:32

I never in that man's life will he hoist a Lombardy. Have all the MVPs you want. Whatever you want to do, you will never, never in your life hoist a Lombardi trophy.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:52

Somebody has to. It can't just all be Mahomes' and Burroughs. Somebody else is gonna.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:59

He will if he leaves the Backwards.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:02

I'm just saying there's there's not just one man who wins all the Super Bowls. There has to be other ones. And I think Josh Allen has just as good of a chance as anybody else.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:08

Clearly fucking not.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:09

Did he did he sell the one big? Did he sell it? Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:14

You had to play no quarterback you've ever played in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:18

And you just royally sold. No, you were never beating anybody who was coming out of the NFC anyway.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:25

That was gonna be a hard sell anyway, yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:27

You were never beating him anyhow.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:29

The Rams were going to put you in a fucking coffin, let alone Seahawks.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:35

Seahawks, yes. Defensively, they're insane. The Rams, they'll just outscore you. They'll just score 50.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:41

Uh yeah, also Stafford's one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:46

He's right now, yes, he is.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:48

No, I'm not saying ever.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:49

I'm saying all time. Yeah, he can't go that far.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:51

That motherfucker always to MVP and Lombardy.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:54

No, for sure. He's probably gonna win the MVP this year and then maybe Lombardi this year. Oh, yeah, for sure. We we've been have that conversation. I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:02

We we both agree that he's a Hall of Famer. It just it was never valid.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:05

Looks like a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:07

On paper, he's a Hall of Famer. Now again.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:09

Paper, not yet. We've already we've been we've been through this before. Oh yeah, when it comes to throwing stats. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:18

Swinning wise.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:19

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:20

He played on a lot of shitty lines teams for a very long time.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:25

Yeah, uh organizationally, yes, but he's gonna be Calvin Johnson's five years. He did, but I'm saying he did have those five years and did Jack Squat.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

Okay. Name one more person on the team. I'll give you the years they that they played together. I would need you to name one person on the team. If you can't give me one more person, shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:46

That's where I'm I might be an L on that because I remember they played on a shitty team. No, because I remember I remember some of the players after Calvin had retired.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:55

Yeah, they got better after Calvin had retired.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:57

Yeah, because they got a defense and they were like, hey, probably need to put a little more into other spots. Can't just only rely on Matthew Stafford. No, it's it's so I again I Matthew Stafford, if he wins the MVP this year and then he also wins a Lombardy, he'll he'll for sure be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I totally agree with that fact. Um but yeah, Josh Allen to put the book in on this, Josh Allen didn't do what he had to do. Any of the negativity he's gotten, he deserves. And anybody that wants to take up for him and try to do that is insane because at the end of the day, if you really think he's a quarterback of that caliber, then he deserves the blame when he's the one that is the reason for their team losing. And he was the reason because he had all those turnovers. So, like all of that is true. I'm not anywhere near Jace when it comes to talking about how bad he is and how he's not a top five guy or anything like that. I'm not going that down that road, but everything else he said I totally agree with. So, and that and that and that's about it on that. And credit to the Broncos, they got the win, and I feel very bad for Bo Nicks, because again, as much as I've been a Bo Nicks hater throughout the year, he has gotten to this point where they are in the AFC Championship game, so I do have to eat crow on that. But the problem is that he ends up getting hurt, and now it's all for nothing because they're they might just lose the next game without much of an issue, and even if they win the next game against the Patriots, they're definitely losing an NFC because nobody, I think the NFC, whoever wins that game between the Rams and the Seahawks, they're probably the favorite for the Super Bowl without much of an issue.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:25

Sorry, I was looking at the case.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:27

The only other player I was thinking of for the for the Lions, by the way, um, Golden Tate. He had a really good time with Golden Tate. That was only one of the only players I can think of. And they did have um they I'm gonna tell you no. They did have Golden Tate.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:46

They did.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:47

This was after Calvin, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:48

He was best when Calvin Johnson was not there. Because when Calvin Johnson was there, he was dodgy.

Texans-Patriots: CJ Stroud’s Worst Day

SPEAKER_07 1:11:55

And then I also they also had the running back, um Which one? I was thinking of the Heisman Trophy winner that came out of USC. Why am I forgetting his name?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:06

Bush?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:07

Yeah, Reggie Bush. They all said him, but that was that was well after Calvin as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:12

It's also well into the end of this nigga's career.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:18

I'm just saying, remember Reggie, Reggie Bush? Like, that's one of the more fun games we've ever watched is Reggie Bush running in six inches of snow and like having an awesome game.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:26

He was he he was a back in the NFL.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:30

He wasn't like that dude, but he was still the the year he the year he played with Detroit, he had a thousand. Now again, for an NFL running back, that's minimal.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine. Especially if you're starting, if you're starting back, you should be.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:46

If you're getting all the touches, that's that's that's low bar.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:49

Not low, not low, but it's like it's mid. It's a it's a mid-bar. It's a different NFL, different NFL now, my guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:58

Yes, he's sharing touches. This guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:01

Alright, let's get off this game. Jace got all of his rocks off when it comes to hating on Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:06

No, now my hate's warranted. You just blind?

unknown 1:13:11

No, it's warranted.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:12

Okay, I can get behind that. Alright, the next game on Saturday, that would have been the Seahawks and 49ers game. There's not a lot to talk about this game. The Seahawks started this game with a kick return touchdown from Rashid Shaheed, and it just felt like literally from that point on, the Niners had no chance to win this football game. Because coming into this game, Niners were without George Kittle because he had just gotten hurt the game before, um, tearing at his Achilles, but then they also were without Nick Bosa, they're also without Fred Warner, and most of that defense was hurt, and then offensively, pretty much the only healthy guy was Christian McCaffrey and um and Brock Purdy. And then you also have a couple wide receivers, Juwan Jennings and uh why am I forgetting the wide receiver's name?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

I'm sure Ricky Pearsall.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:09

Pearsall. And then your tight end, um, your backup tight end, uh Jake Tonges, he also gets hurt and has to leave this game. So like this is a whole game worth of comedy of injuries for the Niners coming into this game, if not what happened during, and Seattle just coming into this game and everything going right for them at home.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:28

When you look at a team, you're like, it's just not meant to be Oh yeah. Like if you lose another fucking weapon on offense, you just need to look at like if you lose another person at all on that team, you need to sit back as a coach. If I'm Shanahan, I'm just like, fuck it. We just I'm throwing the backup out there. We just don't have the background.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:46

He should win coach of the year because this is probably his best coaching job. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:50

It is amazing what you have done with that team. Yeah. You were down basically every major defensive player and every offensive player.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:00

Brock Purdy got hurt at one point this year. The only player that was a constant was Christian McCaffrey.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:04

And that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:05

And that's coming off of him missing a whole year because both of his knees had arthritis.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:11

And it worked. It did. Sorry, I was just looking at the fucking rushing. Uh I was wondering if he had a thousand yards. He did. Umards.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:19

Oh, CMC? I think he had but he had close to a thousand receiving as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:25

They were sacrificing niggas to keep him.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:27

Oh no, he had like over close to 500 touches this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:30

He had like I said, they were the the players weren't getting hurt. Kyle Shanahan was sacrificing him in the locker room to get to the show.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:37

Anybody but him! Anybody but him!

SPEAKER_06 1:15:40

And it worked. You're right. He was 23rd on the receiving list with 928. Yeah. Uh more than DK Matt Calf, Travis Kelsey, Jalen Waddle, Drake London, and T. Higgins. Yeah. Um. So it worked.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:56

Yeah. Again, it's just they dragged that Shanahan dragged that team in doing a lot of bigger things than anybody ever thought they were with all the injuries that they had. But it's just, it came to a point where it came to a screeching halt. Sam Darnold, like we talked about earlier in this, in this, um, in this pod, Sam Darnold didn't have to do shit. He had a torn oblique. The news that came out, they're saying, oh, he'll try to go out there and play, and he didn't have to do shit. He went 12 of 17 for 124 yards and a touchdown. Other than that, he did nothing else. He didn't have he didn't throw any have any turnovers, which again was a big deal. But it's just like it was just like a ball rolling downhill that Kenneth Walker, your your boy from Michigan State, 19 carries, 116 yards, and three touchdowns. Seahawks did not come out of this game um unfazed because Zach Charbonnet, their backup back, did tear his ACL. He's done for the year. But again, it didn't matter when Kenneth Walker was playing as well as he was in this game. Cooper Cup, five catches, 60 yards. Kenneth Walker, three catches, 29 yards. JSN, you know this was a domination when JSN didn't have to do shit. Three catches, 19 yards, and a touchdown. And they were doing freaking belt-to-ass stuff on the sideline in the middle of this goddamn game. So this Seahawks team absolutely destroyed San Fran, and the game wasn't close. And I almost feel bad for San Fran. Like you said, it almost feels like they have black magic on them. Like it just wasn't gonna happen. Because again, their backup tight end got hurt and wasn't able to play the rest of this game in Tongas. And he was playing well before that. He had five catches for 59 yards. So it's just it wasn't meant to be. Seattle just felt, and even when they were out there doing their thing, it was just Brock Purdy really just could not get the job done 15 to 27 for 140 yards and zero touchdowns and a pick. It didn't matter, man. And that's how and the Seahawks defense is awesome too. I don't think they're necessarily like they're I think they're just a notch below what Houston brings when it comes to how good they are. I think their secondary is probably better because they're so big and physical, but they're they can't they can't get after you like Houston can when it comes to all the pass rushers that they have. But they're their defense is insane.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:06

So it was just a perfect cocktail for San Fran to get blown out, and that's exactly what happened when they lost 41-6. This is like a college football game where you have like the big FBS program playing against a Division II school. Like this is like this is how bad it gets. So, you know. San Fran did is I mean, Seattle did their thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:26

Jordan Battle was better than both Kyle Hamilton and Darwin James this year.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:31

Kyle Hamilton was hurt for a lot of the season. Yeah, but again, it's partially fan related.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:39

Sorry, I was just looking at it. Jordan Battle was like one of the top actors this year, which everything goes back to the Bengals.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:47

They're not even a part of the playoffs. Always comes back.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:50

I was looking at the little statistic things. I was pulling up the statistics and shit, and I was looking at Jordan Madden, and I was like, you know, he was actually really good this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:56

It didn't show because we were bad. But he had fucking five interceptions, three force fumbles, one fumble recovery, and three sacks.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:06

Bro was balling. It just didn't matter.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:10

It's the most random thing to bring up when we when the Bengals are nowhere near this conversation, and you bring them up. Nowhere near. Nowhere near. They don't even have a coach, they're not even looking for a coach right now because they want to keep it.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:21

Oh, what the fuck? A coach who just went 11 and 5 was just fired, and this nigga just was abysmal.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:29

And we kept his dumbass?

SPEAKER_08 1:19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:32

He's an awesome coach. 11 coaches were fired, and one of them's not Zach Taylor.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:37

All the coaches in the AFC North were fired except him?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:41

And all the coaches in the AFC North have awards and a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:44

Two of them have a Super Bowl. One of them has been coached the year twice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:50

Yeah. And they thought he wasn't good enough for them.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:53

And this nigga just nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:56

Ever.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:57

No doubt.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:58

Ever. Nothing. Ever.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:02

Yeah. We'll get to the coaching stuff in a minute. We have two more games to talk about.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:09

This has probably been the craziest coaching carousel I've ever seen every day.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:13

We'll get to it. We'll get to it.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:14

Eleven guys is crazy. Ten. I think it's ten. No, it's eleven. With McDermott.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:20

I guess it does make it eleven. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, next game. New England Patriots and Houston Texans. Patriots win the game 28 to 16. CJ Stroud, like I mentioned earlier, had four interceptions and a fumble. Did he have a fumble? I think get a fumble in this game as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:38

Ball going forward. It wasn't going forward.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:39

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh Sack. Sack fumble. CJ played terrible. I'm gonna go start with the losers first and get to the winners. CJ played terribly in this game. I think one person, I think uh Dan Rowski talked about if they had 31 other quarterbacks, they win this game. That might be a little hyperbolic, a little bit too much. That's going way too far. Exactly. I'm sitting there like, miss, again, he had a terrible day. He was awful. He has some again, as much as I'm a CJ Stroud stan and believer, that's going a tad bit too far. But he had a terrible day. Didn't he had 20 of 47 for one touchdown and four picks for 212 yards total.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:18

31?

SPEAKER_07 1:21:18

Yeah, that's going a little far.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:20

I can say that Patriots defense played out of their minds.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:23

But again, it didn't help that the offensive line for the it I knew it was bad when his when CJ's left tackle was stepping on CJ, fell over, and then got hurt and had to leave the game. CJ got stepped on in the middle of that play.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:41

You texted me after I saw that.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:43

Like you like you know the offensive. The offensive line was ass all night. Again, they have to own that too. Again, it doesn't change the fact that CJ made bad decisions when people were in his lap. He should have just made better decisions, not tried to throw the football away. And he did it all too often, which is why he had all those picks. Except for one of them. One, it went straight through the wide receiver's hands and it went straight into a defender's hands.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:08

Oh, yeah, it was bad.

Bears-Rams OT Thriller And Caleb’s Magic

SPEAKER_07 1:22:09

He should have caught it or at least knocked it down, should have been an incompletion. But it ended up being a pick. That pick's not on him, but the rest of them were. And he didn't play well. They couldn't run the football. They had 48 yards total rushing because their offline was so bad.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:20

Number 19 on the for who? I think the Texans.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:28

Hutchinson. Nico got hurt. Hutchinson. Not good.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:33

He twice did he do that ball. Right in the defender's hand. Yeah. Twice that happened. He was bad.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:45

Nico was hurt. Dalton Schultz had a really good game and then got hurt in the middle of the game, had to leave. So like your top two targets left the game. On top of the fact your offensive line is dog shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:04

I don't know that I feel like he truly I have not seen a quarterback. Joe Burrow his own line's always been bad. I've never seen Joe Burrow like that. CJ looked like he was nervous to get the ball.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:18

He wasn't on he wasn't on this planet earth. He was in a different dimension.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:21

Because I'm I don't want to get hit anymore.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:23

He was in hell. He was in hell. He was in hell.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:25

I don't want to get hit anymore.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:26

I again you still have to own that. You still have to make good decisions when you're about to get hit.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:30

But again, of he's he even when he is getting the ball out, he's still getting hit. Yeah, no doubt. Because they're in his face 100% constant.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:41

And that pass rush is not that good.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:43

No, they were making the the New England Patriots defense look like fucking 2005 Ravens defense. Yeah. Like I was watching Ray Lewis and Ed Reed go out there and kill them.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:54

Which is crazy because that defense was on the Houston side. We'll talk about them in a minute. The Houston defense was awesome in this game, but didn't even matter.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:01

And it just, I feel like CJ Stroud has lost so much faith in his O line. Of it may be better that he's just not there.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:10

Again, I want to give them an offseason to be like, hey, there literally is no other weakness to your D to your team other than your offensive line.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:16

So literally you all have no receivers to save yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:20

With again, they just drafted two wide receivers. They're gonna get Tank Dell back next year.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:25

Yeah, but what will Tank Dell be back?

SPEAKER_07 1:24:27

Who knows? But again, it the but he won't have to be your number one or number two. Jaden Higgins, the guy you picked up in the second round, he was really good. He was the only productive receiver after Dalton Schultz left, and the fact they didn't have Nico there. So I do think he can be a really good number two, and the fact you can have a guy like a guy like Tank Dell in the slot is insane.

unknown 1:24:43

I do hope he does have it.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:45

I hope he comes back and is awesome. I I hope that happens. But so they need to go into this draft and go into free agency saying, hey, we're just gonna have to go spend real money, spend real picks on linemen, and then tell CJ, hey, go on your soul searching journey, figure this out, and come back better because when he is all the way there, we saw what he was during his rookie year. So like getting him, I'm not even saying getting him totally back that because that may not even be possible because of how magical that season was, but he is a he is a much better quarterback than what he showed that day, and people are dogging him for and talking about how he shouldn't be the guy there long term and how he shouldn't get paid. And I'm like, I get it, all the questions are are necessarily are warranted, but going in on him like he isn't three and three in the playoffs is kind of crazy.

unknown 1:25:33

That's a better record than Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:34

He's three-and-3 in the playoffs. Like, guess what guy is guess what guy isn't three and three in the playoffs? Justin Herbert, who got beat the round before, and nobody had shit to say about Justin Herbert when he threw for four picks last year. Everybody wants to take up for Herbert just like the same way we want to take up for Allen. If Herbert's not even playing this week, and and nobody's questioning if Herbert's a long-term answer for for the Chargers, and he hasn't done shit in the playoffs. Me too.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:03

Me too. Right. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:12

It is just it's too hard to defend him at this point. Yeah. I'd like to. I like Herbert. I think he is truly.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:20

I like I like Herbert too, but again, like at some point you have to produce. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:28

I feel like Harbaugh's just not given the freedom to just kind of go around and sling the football in a way that I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:34

They gave him more of that this year and he kind of got back to it, but then it when it came down to the offensive line was too bad this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:39

Oh, the offensive line was very bad. And but I truly think that for him to be at his best, you need to just let it fuck it. You need to let him free-flow and play how he wants to play. Of that, I think I I believe that is the best way for him to play.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:52

True. A lot of people believe Kurt Herbert's as great as he is, but it's just again, he hasn't done any he doesn't done even even close to what even CJ has in his three years as an NFL pro. So I'm just sitting there like, you're you're treating the guy as if he's like a eight, if he's like Josh Allen, who's doing the same type of having the same type of day, being eight years into the NFL, eight, nine years into his NFL career, then you have to give CJ a little bit of like a little bit of grace for having two bad years and having a terrible offensive line and having two different offensive coordinators in this past three years. Josh Allen wasn't even good until his third year. So that's what I'm saying. I'm sitting there like, you maybe need to give the guy a little bit of grace rather than just like piling on the dude and saying he doesn't deserve that be there long term.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:38

Spoiled from what they got the first year.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:40

Oh, yeah, for sure. Um I think CJ to a certain degree was spoiled too because he was going on all the podcasts talking about how he's a top five quarterback. So he got intoxicated by his own success as well. Success is fleeting in the NFL. Like it's only the truly the greats that can go out there and be really good year after year after year. And CJ has to get that, he has to do some soul searching. And what he said after this game was like, hey, I let the team down. It sucks that I was the reason that our our defense played so good. We'll get to them in a second. But the defense was awesome. This defense was ready to go win a championship. And unfortunately, because CJ was not, they were taken out way much earlier than they probably should have been. And CJ said he owns that. He said he's gonna try to get better, and he's gonna own that. He's gonna have his chest out, um, chin up high, and he's gonna do what he has to do to get get better. Oh, yeah, probably don't even get near it because I'm like, I hate it, and I'm not even I am I'm a I'm a big big fan of his. I'm not even a Texans fan of all my center, like, man, people are going way too hard on him for what? Yeah, it's just going way too far on it, and again, he was trying the same age, huh? Yeah, three years in the NFL. He's like, I think he's like 22, 23. Yeah. That's crazy. He's very young in his NFL career. There's time for him to grow, and people need to give him that space. He will. But to the Houston defense, Houston defense where we get to the Patriots. Defense for the Houston was awesome. Will Anderson is an absolute monster. I think he might be the best, the second best defense player in the NFL. I have to give my um not Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett some credit because he did break the sack record. But outside of him, Will Anderson might be the most inevitable player I've ever like I've seen this year. He was awesome. He had a sack fumble in this game. He had three sacks. Like he was, I think he had two sack fumbles. He's insane. Again, it helps that he has Daniil Hunter on the other side, who's also a top 10-15 sacker in the NFL.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:35

But he's on as great as you on the other side, and you still be that much. He's that dude. He's that dude.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:42

Not to mention the guys they have, Aziz Al-Shay. Like their secondary is insane.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:45

Their secondary was bad in this game. They were not great.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:48

Again, they led up the big plays.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:50

They did. And because that Houston secondary is a very physical secondary because they're the most flagged secondary.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:58

They they do grab. They are some grabbers for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:00

I think it said they said during the broadcast Jared Singh only had like 17 penalties against him, and the other dude had like 20. They are flagged a lot. Throughout the year, yeah, for sure. They play very physical.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:11

But again, if you can, again, with your defense is getting after the other team's quarterback as much as they are, it's your job to be locked down for two to three seconds and let your def your defensive front go eat. That's exactly what happened. Like, that's exactly what they've been feasting on this year. And unfortunately, in this game, they did so much, they did what they were supposed to do, and they weren't getting help from their offense, weren't getting help from CJ Stroud. And Drake May was able to get three big plays out there, managed for them to win this game, and that was enough. And like I like I said, Drake May didn't play awesome in this game either. But it's just he had a lot less turnovers, and when the big plays um presented themselves, he was out there to make them. So you have to give Drake May a lot of credit, even with that crazy defense in his face, in his lap all night long. He went out there and did what he had to do. They ran the football relatively well. Ramondre Stevenson, 16 carries, 70 yards. Trevion, 12 carries, 25 yards, didn't do shit in this game. I think he got hurt. Um Kayshawn Boutet had an awesome game, three catches, 75 yards and a touchdown. Stephon Diggs, four catches, 40 yards and a touchdown. Demario Douglas had two catches, 36 yards and a touchdown. Literally all three of those plays were big plays that they needed. And it's just again, all those, all those scores probably wouldn't have happened without CJ turning the football over as much as he did. And there was a pick six that he threw early on in this game as well. And the second, I think that was in the second quarter where he threw that pick six, and they were up seven to three at that point. Sorry, ten to ten to ten to seven. And then CJ threw the pick six, and then it was pretty much lights out from there because they just like their offense couldn't get anything done to score points. But it's just people want to give Drake May a ton of credit for, you know. I just don't like Patriot fans, they they have now attached themselves to Drake May and now calling him their next Tom Brady, and they're talking about how awesome he is, and I'm like, I get it, he's a very good quarterback. But it's just the fact that they are so quick to jump on him and be cultish towards him makes me more negative about him to a certain sense, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:23

It's almost like when something's overhyped and it's like makes you almost not want to watch it, like we know, like it's a movie or something. When people talk about it so much, it's like, man, I'm just not gonna- I make you want to be a contrarian to a certain degree. So it's just, you know, again, the Patriots did what they had to do. Their defense ended up looking great because of how bad CJ was and how bad that offensive line was. They made the plays necessary, and that's exactly what needed to happen in this game. And Drake May, he threw that one pick that he had, and he also had a couple fumbles as well. So, like, he is still doing the same thing. He fumbles a lot, which is crazy. And you know what's funny? Somebody brought this up, and I'm like, oh yeah. One of the downsides of Drake May coming out of the draft process, what do you think it is when it comes to oh, that's hilarious. Um, what do you think it is when it comes to ball security?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:08

Six years ago.

unknown 1:33:10

Um, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:11

Small hands. Drake May doesn't have the biggest hands, so now the ball security thing is a thing over this playoff run. Everybody's like, man, well, he did have small hands coming out of the draft. And again, I'm not gonna say here and only blame that, but it is kind of funny how people want to bring it up when when you have moments like this. But he did exactly what he needed to win this game. Um, I do want to give um why am I forgetting the name of their coach now?

unknown 1:33:38

Mike Vrabel.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:39

Mike Vrabel, awesome. I I again I don't want them to win a Super Bowl at all. And but if they do end up doing it, I'll hate the fans because they just don't deserve the success they're getting right now. But Vrabel, I'd feel happy for, Trey I'd feel happy for, and to a certain degree, I think I'd feel good for uh Stefan Diggs. I'd feel okay for Stefan Diggs if he got a Super Bowl ring.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:04

Yeah. I'd feel okay for Stefan Diggs.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:07

He does some stupid shit off the field. Pink powder, potentially harming his cook. But other than that, like on the field, he's a pretty pretty decent player.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:18

He's a pretty great player. I don't think he's like one of the greatest. Like everybody thought he was going to be.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:23

No, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:24

But I do think he's very good.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:27

Very good. Um, but yeah, um Houston, they'll figure it out. Need to get him get CJ some offensive lineman. And now the Patriots are the favorites to go win the AFC Championship game because they have to go face a backup quarterback in Jared Sitam for the Broncos. So it is what it is there. Um let's see here. Last playoff game to talk about before we get to the coaching uh carousel and get out of here. Um, final game. Bram's beat Bears 20-17 in overtime. This was an awesome game. Would you like to start with the winners or losers?

SPEAKER_06 1:35:03

Start with the losers.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:05

Bears. Caleb Williams, two weeks in a row, has two awesome plays that might go down to some of the more improbable plays to ever happen in NFL history. And Drake May is perfect for that. He has a I think he might have the most effortless arm that I've seen in a few years. The fact that he was able, I'm starting with the end of the game first, in the end of over and at the end of regulation, where they needed the touchdown to win it, and he's drifting back 10, 15 yards, and he's at the 45-yard line when he lets go of the football on fourth down to um why am I forgetting um not Loveland, but their um Comet throws the football to Comet at the back of the um back left end zone and gets a touchdown there is one of the crazier plays I've ever seen on the football field in the NFL. So that I have to give him a lot of credit for because, again, not very efficient, 23 of 42, two touchdowns, three interceptions. Not the most efficient. That's pretty much been his problem all year long, but he doesn't give up a lot of sacks. He's throwing the football away when he needs to, and when it's time to turn it on in the fourth quarter, they need big plays out of him. He always he just keeps showing up and he keeps making big plays, almost to the point where it almost felt like you were going to do that in overtime as well, and it finally ran out and he threw the pick when um why am I um the other wide receiver?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:31

For who?

SPEAKER_07 1:36:32

For the for the Bears.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:34

Um DJ Moore.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:36

Huh?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:37

DJ Moore?

SPEAKER_07 1:36:38

Yes, DJ Moore. He's trying to throw the out route, then the dot route, but like the the flag route or whatever, and DJ Moore wasn't really running all the way like he needed to, and he kind of drifted and allowed the defensive player to kind of get in beneath him in order to get the pick. But outside of that, like they did what they had to do in this game. Caleb was fought was great, inefficient, but made some big plays when he had to. They ran the football well. DeAndre Swift, 19 carries, 76 yards. Caleb had 40 yards rushing in this game. Um, Colson Loveland, before he ended up getting hurt and leaving the game in the last drive, four catches, 56 yards. DJ Moore, he had the touchdown, five catches, 52 yards. Cole Komek had the touchdown catch at the end of the game. And Romadunze, two catches, 44 yards, but it should have been a third catch because he threw that ball to Roman Dunze early on in the game and literally hit him in the chest. It wouldn't have been a touchdown. Um, that was a big deal because Romadunze like hit him right in the chest. That's another touchdown you have. You might win this game. But again, it was early on. Who knows how the game kind of turns out? But in the Bears' defense, as ass as they have been all year long, they were good. They showed up and they were awesome in this game. They were getting after uh Matthew Stafford. They were Matthew Stafford went 20 of 42. One of the things that Matthew Stafford's been over the last few years, he's been efficient. The fact they kept him under 50% completely percentage in this game, their defense was awesome. They were getting after him, they were sacking him. They had four sacks in this game. And every ball that he threw, if it wasn't a Puka Nakua, they were um contesting all of them. So I have to give the Bears defense a lot of credit in this game. They said, hey, we're just gonna go balls to the wall and get out, try to get after it, and make the Rams have to earn it. And that's exactly what they did, and I have to give the defense a lot of credit for doing that in this game. And do you think they should have gone for two after the touchdown at the end of the game? You think so?

unknown 1:38:32

Yes.

Coaching Carousel: Firings And Fits

SPEAKER_07 1:38:33

I thought so too. But here's what I'll say. I did hear what um Ben Johnson had to say after the game when he when they asked him why didn't you? And he did say, like, hey, yeah, usually I would go for it, but he said that because we have been bad on um at the goal line and short yardage all game long, I decided it probably wasn't a good idea. And I'm like, you know what? I kind of understand the logic behind it. Because again, if things are going well for you and you think everything's going well, then I get you taking that chance. But if, like, hey, we've been bad at short yardage all day long, why would I put my team in another chance of not doing that when you have overtime in your pocket? So I'm like, I I under I I would have liked to see them go for it because it felt like they just had all the momentum at that point. Their defense is probably now shocked because they gave up the touchdown. But I get the idea that if you weren't good at it all day long, why would you try to do it again and try to change the way that the um the trend was going? I kind of understand his thought process behind not going for it. But I do think, like you, that they probably should have gone for it and just taking taken advantage of the opportunity that they had to end the game right there. But again, I get it's a hard decision when you have overtime in your pocket, like, hey, we have more football to play if we just hit the hit the extra point and get on our way. So I understand it, but I don't necessarily agree. So in that pick that Caleb threw, I I'm not sure if it was more on DJ Moore or him. I think it just felt like a little bit more of a miscommunication that it didn't work out. DJ and DJ Moore wasn't. Not running hard for that football. If he would have just tried to keep running for it. Maybe, but even still, like if you run all out for that ball, even if you don't catch it, you at least can knock it down like a defender and stop the pick from happening. But also, I do have to blame Caleb. Like, why would you try to go for such a big play at that point? You have the ball, both teams already had a possession, so all you have to do is next score wins. All you have to do is get in field goal range. So like, why would you try to take such a huge risk at that point when all you have to do is nickel and dime your way down the field like you've been doing all game? So it there's blame to go around everywhere. But you know, I just think if you ask Bears fans before the season started that, hey, with your brand new head coach and Caleb Williams going into year two, year two or year three?

unknown 1:40:46

Year two.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:47

That you are going to not only win your division, beat the Packers twice, but then get potentially really close to an NFC championship game, I think Bears fans will take that all day long.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:58

I agree. Especially after being a baseball for so long.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:01

Yeah, so and now that and now that you know you have your quarterback, because again, as much as I think Caleb does need to like, you know, keep getting better and keep being more efficient, what he is right now with some of the big plays that he's making, like again, this works now that he's a young guy. You would hope as the more years that he plays, he'll get better at not being as up and down. But when he's up, man, when he's out there and he has to make a big play to win a game, like he's going out there and doing it, and you have to give him a lot of credit for that. Um, but start with the losers, we've got to go to the winners. Matthew Stafford, 20 of 42, 258 yards, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions. Nothing near what Matthew Stafford usually does in these spots. The defense really gave him trouble and he really struggled throughout the game. They ran the football relatively well. Um Kyron Williams had 21 carries for 87 yards and two touchdowns. He was awesome. Blake Korm didn't do all that much, though, six carries, 19 yards, but again, they put all their eggs in the Kyron Williams basket and he delivered and played very well because of it. Kobe Parkinson, their tight end, three catches, 56 yards. Puka Nakua, five catches, 56 yards. Puka did not have nearly as big of a day as I thought he would have. No, but again, you win at the end of the day, and you're gonna have another chance for Puka to go out and you know have a great game. But again, the fact they didn't need him to get 10 catches for over 100 yards was a very big deal in this game because again, they weren't very efficient. Matthew Saver had a bad day, but it still ended up with you getting the ball and winning the game like you needed to. Um, Whittington, the other tight end, two catches, 35 yards. Kyron Williams had four catches, 30 yards. Devontae Adams, two catches for 24. So, like, they did not have a great day offensively at all. But I will say, with you having a veteran quarterback in Matthew Stafford, that even though he's having a bad day, he gets the ball in that overtime and has a chance to go down there and win it. And he guess what? He manages the offense, gets you down the field, gets you into field goal range for you to win that game after they had gotten the pick off Caleb Williams. And you have a coach in um Sean McVay that's done this for nine years, and he has been an awesome coach, and he knows what to do at the in these moments, and in a big game, he knows how to get you where you need to go, and that's exactly what they did. Things weren't going their way. It was stupid cold in that game, and the Rams persevered and they got the win. Even with having the stunning play that Kaylee Williams made at the end of that game, their defense came out and made a big play at the end in overtime to make and got the job done. So give the Rams a lot of credit, they'll now have to go face San Fran um Seattle in Seattle for the NFC championship game. I don't know. They played each other three times. This will be their third time playing this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:42

With um Darnold having a torn oblique, is that what it was?

SPEAKER_07 1:43:45

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:46

Not an oblique.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:47

No, it's a peck torrent.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:48

No, it's a torn oblique.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:50

Isn't he oblique in his leg?

SPEAKER_07 1:43:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:57

Torn peck.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:58

No, torn oblique. He can't run. He could. No, he could run.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:06

I think it'll be fine. Who was it that played with the torn oblique? Amara St. Brown. Tor played with the Torn Oblique for like six weeks before he went out.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:15

Yeah, okay. Fine. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. I know, but if like he's gonna have like he can't have an offense output like he did. Again, 12 of 17.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:30

Does he but again, does he need to? He may have to throw like 23 times.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:35

They're not gonna be able to hold Matthew Stafford and that offense down to three points.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:39

But if they can hold him under 21. True. I think if they can keep him under 21, they have a chance.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:48

Oh yeah, for sure. I'm not saying they don't have a chance. I'm just saying that it is not gonna be an easy win for Seattle by any that defense, as good as it is, the Rams defense, the Rams offense has seen it twice already. And you think Sean McVay won't have real answers to that by the time you see him for a third time.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:03

This is the third time.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:04

And they won't be phased by the crowd because they've already seen it before this year. They see it every year. And guess what? Matthew Stafford's not gonna have two bad games in a row. So it's not gonna fucking happen. And Puka Nakool being left to five catches, like that's not gonna happen multiple games in a row. So as much as I think Seattle defense is gonna make this very difficult, I think this is gonna be the better game between the two because I think I unfortunately I think unless Drake May has a terrible performance, they're probably winning against the Broncos. Um even in the Bron even in the Broncos house.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:36

I don't know, man. The Rams have only narrowly beat Seattle. Oh, I get it. And then the first time they beat Seattle, Sam Donald took four seconds. So Sam Darnold was bad. No, I get it.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:45

And then the second time Seattle won the game like close, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:45:52

38 to 37. Oh, McDonnell again did not play well. Two for two, Zach four times and did not play well. I get it, but 11K is 100 yards and touchdown. Zach Charbonnet. Uh sorry, I I hate Zach Charbonnet because he's a goal line.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:17

It's not even just that, because they do use him like it got if Charbonnet is again, he won't be in playing in this game. Yeah. So that's gonna be a little bit of a because he's they really do use both of those backs. But Charbonnet is probably the more versatile of the two. The way they use him, at least. So again, I just think it was gonna be a very good matchup for this last game for them playing for a third time. But Rams, a lot of credit for winning this game. Get out there to get the job done. And the Bears, this was an awesome game to watch on Sunday night. And I do have to give both teams a lot of credit because they come out there and did their thing. I agree. And the Bears have nothing, nothing, nowhere to go but up from here. Like they still they're still gonna have a ton of cap space. They have a young coach and Ben Johnson that's doing his thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:59

Again, it might be the Bears are a very rough team, so you would really hope they go up.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:04

You know what, but you know what they have to deal with this year? Next year? They'll have a first place schedule. So now they'll have to have they'll have a lot harder of a schedule to have to face. Again, they'll be dealing with the same thing that Washington ended up dealing with this year, with Jaden Daniels doing as well as he did last year. And then now they have a much harder schedule. The Bears are gonna have to do that too. So maybe they're gonna have it's gonna be a little bit of a fork in the road if Caleb doesn't necessarily progress like he needs to. But I do think they have their they have a real future in their hands. They really do. Caleb's good, Ben Johnson's awesome. As long as he keeps progressing on that offense and just getting more efficient, I think they'll be a really good team for years to come in the NFC. I really do. Um, all right, so that's all the games. Now, coming out of that, let's go ahead and talk about the coaching carousel. Coming out of this weekend, Sean McDermott, like you already mentioned, was fired as the Bills head coach. You know what's funny? Is that we were talking about this yesterday about how if you're gonna fire McDermott, why wouldn't you fire the GM as well? He hasn't done shit. Like I like draft. Like I told you before. He's a bad player. He has drafted 56 players since drafting um Josh Allen, and he's only of those 56, only two of them have been pro bowlers. That's bad.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:20

Wait, only two? Only two. Is one of them James Cook?

SPEAKER_07 1:48:23

And the other one's Dawson Knox.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:26

Oh, that's in the last three years, game. Yes. That's that's bad.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:29

And guess what? Not only was he not fired, he got promoted to president football operations. He's not even just the GM anymore. So what the fuck is going on? Like, again, it's not all not all on Sean McDermott.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:42

Like those two are both in the same draft.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:45

Yeah.

unknown 1:48:45

Yeah, no, you need to fire them.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:47

So I'm just sitting there, like, why I agree with you though on that part. If you fire the coach, you gotta fire the. Fire both. Fire both.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:53

Because it's unless you you unless you're the Eagles or you're the Seahawks and you have like the Godfather GMs. Godfather GMs. Other than that, if you're firing the coach, you fire the GM too, and just let them and then let the new ones be handcuffed to each other. Like, hey, either you're gonna succeed.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:08

You said it, they should be attached to the hit.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:10

Succeed together, or you're gonna fail together. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:12

One is they're they're reliant on each other. Yeah, the coach can only coach whatever players the GM signs. And the GM can only sign players if the coach is good.

Ranking The Open Jobs And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_07 1:49:20

The moves they made, firing McDermott and then giving the GM a promotion, the only way that makes sense is if Sean McDermott has been picking all the players in the draft for the past five years. That hasn't fucking been happening. It hasn't. Because guess what? They it just I it just doesn't make any sense to me. He shouldn't have been. And you know it's it's the GM has a leg up on that because guess what? Every time there's a game being played, guess where the GM is? In the same suite as the owner. And a lot of times when the coach is out there doing his job, the GM gets to talk shit about the coach and how he's not doing right with his players.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:56

We gotta let this guy go, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:57

I'm just like that, that's where like you have to fire them both.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:00

You're right. Oh, he's out there sweet talking, like, man, I would have put both on his dog personally. You're right. I would have ran covered three.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:08

Like they're they're fucking they're fucking around with um um Keon Coleman. Like he was a great player when I drafted him. They're not they're they're not they're not coaching him right.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:17

They drafted him second round. I was like, that's a fucking mistake. Yeah, no, you he was fine at Michigan State, but he is not special.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:27

He put up the great year at Florida State.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:29

But other than that, he didn't have thousands, he only had like 898.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:32

True, true, true, true, true, true, true.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:34

I said it over and over again, he's not special. He may be okay, but he's not special. Yeah, I agree. Jaden Reed of the two when he was at Michigan State was the number one receiver for a reason. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:48

Even right now, Jaden Reed, he will have a nice NFL career, given he's healthy.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:53

Yeah, because he hasn't been.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:55

But he's a very he's a good thing, he is relatively quick, he can play the slot, he can be your returner, he can do so many things. That's why Michigan State made an effort to keep him, and they let Keon Coleman's ass go.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:07

And now the issues that the the Bills been having with Keon Coleman is him not doing the right things, not showing up to practice on time, like it's all the stuff not on the field that he's not doing right, and that's a big issue. And guess what? That's on the GM for picking a guy like that, and it's not working out.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:20

They uh real quick, they picked his ass off his personality, and his personality can only get him so fucking funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:24

Exactly. At some point, you have to do the work, and he hasn't been doing it as of recently. So that and that's on the GM as well as the head coach. So, and not to mention, you fire McDermott right after Harbaugh got hired to the fucking Giants.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:39

Real quick, Harbaugh would have never taken that job. Harbaugh took the Giants job because he wanted complete control.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:44

That's true, but I also think if it was going to be Harbaugh that they hired, they would have fired the GM because he's not that fucking good. That's what that's where I sit there, I'm like.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:54

That's a good call.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:55

Like, that's where I think they if he they would have that opportunity to get him, and I know Harbaugh Harbaugh's kicking himself. I know. Because now he's coaching Jackson Dart instead of the whole.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:08

Two or three.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:09

I believe it's two. Because they won one more game than the Raiders. I think it's two.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:13

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:14

Uh like he has a future going forward with a young team in a way that the Bills are kind of.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:20

Yeah, but he ha but he has to hope that Jackson Dart's gonna be that guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:24

I think he can be a guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:26

I think he can be too, but I'm just like, you would know Josh Allen's the guy. I know. And you just have to fill in around him.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:36

Some of the games they lost, they win with Malik Neighbors in the roster.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:40

But you also have to think that what if Malik Neighbors isn't all the way back to 100% when he comes back? Because he did tear an ACL.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:47

And that's okay, but again, with a guy as young as he is, I doubt he'll be not 100%. For sure. No. He tore his ACL way early in the season. No, that's true.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:58

It was like week four, week five, something like that. But again, you still have plenty of time for him to get back for week one and be and this Cam Scadaboo thing, too. I don't think you should you can have a team long term that you can rely on a guy like Cam Scattaboo to be your number one back. So they're gonna have to find a new back and do that, and you're gonna have to find new offensive linemen as well. But getting back to McDermott, I'm just like firing him implies that you have a better option. That's a bad one. That's that's a bad, bad combo for tearing both. Um receiver, that is a fucking very bad. Um but yeah, when you fire McDermott, like you have to be you have to imply there's a better option out there. Is there a better coaching option out there other than Sean other than McDermott? Like Tomlin, I guess, but Tomlin already said he's not coaching this year.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:44

He also can't.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:46

He can, but you just have to trade for him. And I don't think the pay I don't think the Steelers would be would throw a huge hissy fit and like say, hey, hey, you have to give me a first round pick for him. But I think you would have to trade for him, but like there is no I'm not the biggest Sean McDermott fan, but I do think he is a top 10 coach in all the NFL. And you let go of that guy knowing that Harbaugh had already been hired. So I'm just like, it's a very stupid plan altogether, and then you kept the GM as well and gave him a promotion promotion, it's all ass. And I just think that the issues that you have was more about drafting than it was about coaching, and that GM needs to hold him that that he needs to be held responsible, but it turns out the coach is falling on the sword because they fired him instead. So it is what it is, but that's one of the job openings you have. Was there anybody else fired as recently? No, no, there wasn't. So here's oh, there were people hired though. Let me see. NFL head coach hires. So as of today, as of this morning, there have been four of the 11 that have been filled already. Okay. We already talked about Jarn Harbaugh going to the Giants, talked about him last week. Great. He'll be a adult in the room. As long as Jackson Dart's the guy, he'll be able to get you where you need to go. Not only I'm not gonna say he's gonna get you a Super Bowl, but he will get you to a point where you'll have a hard floor and in the NFC East where you'll be competitive every year and not having the bad seasons they've been having as of recently. Again, as long as um Jackson Dart's the guy, even if not, they'll be able to do something with an even let maybe a lesser quarterback because they will have a more of a better structure as an organization. Other one that's been filled, Kevin Stefansky hired as the Atlanta Falcons head coach. I think it's an awesome hire.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:40

I think it's a perfect hire. I think he'd Pennox is out for next year.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:46

It's not looking good. He got hurt so late in the season. So even if they have Kirk Cousins, guess what? Kirk Cousins loves the offense that Kevin Stefansky runs. So as long as you can keep um Kirk Cousins on, he doesn't want to get traded still.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:59

I think Michael Penix would do good in a Tevin Stefansky offense. I don't, yeah, no, I agree. Kevin Stefansky makes an offense that's very simple to understand as you go through reads.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:07

And not to mention, when Baker was healthy, he did do well Baker Mayfield.

unknown 1:56:12

He did great Baker.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:13

So like you can even do with like a lesser quarterback, you can still make the job happen with Kevin Stevansky, especially since you have all those weapons. Imagine him with a B. John Robinson, with a Drake London, with a Kyle Pitts, whether they keep him long term or Kyle Pitts is gonna explode into Kevin Stefansky.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:28

Oh my god. We're going to see why he was that.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:32

He's a David Njoku clone.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:33

He's a David Njoku clone.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:34

Better David Njoku.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:36

Because he's faster.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:36

He's faster.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:37

But like, so he'll be able to put a great offense together. Their defense is young and very good. So I just think he's gonna be a very good option in Atlanta. And they're gonna like the Browns are gonna be kicking themselves because they let go of a good head coach.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:52

Awesome.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:52

Awesome. Again, he is a I'm not sure how I put this to somebody else, but he's like a he's like a Walmart version of um Shanahan. Like if Shanahan's Costco, Stefansky is Walmart. Like he's just he's like if Shanahan's like an A plus, Stefansky's like a B. Like a B B plus. Because I don't think in-game he's as good as Shanahan, but I think when it comes to putting it together together on offense, I think he's awesome. I think he's pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:26

Sorry, the the Ali to Walmart was weird. The Costco to Walmart was weird.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:30

Well, if Costco's like the best of the best when it comes to like stores, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:57:33

Yeah, but they're like uh you you have to Target to Walmart with a comparison.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:37

I don't think Target's that great. I think it's just more name brand than anything.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:40

That's because you're bro. You have bias. Maybe. You fucking hate that.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:44

Okay, okay, I'm just talking. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, I'm just gonna make it a grade then. If if Shanahan, if if uh Shanahan is an A plus, Stefan's like a B, B plus. I think Shanahan.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:55

Shanahan's a B minus.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:56

Yeah, okay, fine. Again, Stefanski's a B minus. Stefanski would not have dragged that San Fran team the way that Shanahan did.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:03

No. And that's why Shanahan's a plus A plus.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:07

But he's a great option for Atlanta. Miami Dolphins, as of this morning, they hired Jeff Halfley. The DC from Green Bay.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:16

Oh, the Titans hired um Robert Salah. Robert Salah. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:21

I think Jeff Hafley to the Miami makes sense. He's a defensive head coach. He'll bring, he's gonna be a lot more, he's gonna be much different than what um McDaniels was. He'll be more serious.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:31

He'll be more like Robert Sala than the Titans was a good pick.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:34

He's like the total opposite of what um Michael McDaniels was. Again, it's a very hard job because there's so much else to do in Miami for players. It's gonna be very hard to get their focus all all the time. But I think with a defensive-minded head coach, I think he'll be able to get the best you possibly can, as long as you can get a new quarterback. Because again, two is not the guy long term.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:53

But I think Robert Salah was a good hire for the um And then Salah for Tennessee Titans. Yeah. Because a team was best when they're defensive focused.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:01

True.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:02

They have their quarterback, they do, so I think getting a guy like Robert Salah, especially going to the draft, where they have like a top five pick.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:09

Um they have a ton of money, and they have they have no talent. Like they literally have to get all of your guys in the draft.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:17

Like you can make it go a little cheaper on defense and Robert Salah be able to scheme around.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:22

He he no, he did that with San Fran. He did more with less defensive lines.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:25

And I think that's where they luck out of hey, you can load your offense a little better. Yeah, especially going in the draft of hey, you can go get a Carnell Tate.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:34

I I am like 80% sure if it's not no lineman, they're drafting Carnell Tate. They need weapons. I'm so Carnell Tate, or they're going for a good offensive lineman. Yeah, I agree. But I think hiring Robert Salah, you guys are best with Mike Raymond, who's a defensive minded head coach. Yep. And I think hiring Robert Sala makes sense. Some people are like, oh, why would they hire a dude who couldn't succeed with the Jets? And I'm like, well, one of those things were his fault.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:59

Terrible organization.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:00

None of those things were his fault. The first year he was there, Rodgers got hurt. The second year was there, Roger was kind of abysmal. Yeah. The third year was there.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:09

Well, he was there a year before Rogers got there.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:12

He was.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:13

And they sucked ass, and it was Zach Wilson.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:15

Yeah. Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:16

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:16

I if I'm looking at Robert Solomon, I'm just going to give you a freshly. We're just going to take exactly what you would say in France.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:21

Yeah. And all of that, and then all of that, and you have a terrible organization. So I'm not going to blame what happened with the Jets on Robert Solomon. I think he'll be a very again, it's not like it's Tennessee's kind of ran terribly too. Because they did fire their GM. They did fire Vrabel for a GM and then they got rid of him. They're two GMs past that GM that they picked over Vrabel.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:43

So I'm sitting there like going to an AFC championship right now.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:46

And they're being they're owned by a lady because he owned she inherited it because her husband died. She's not all that good at owning the team. And she's kind of like doing shit off out, you know, doing shit, not really doing knowing what to do with the team. But again, I think Robert Salah's good.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:00

And apparently it is to the detriment of the team.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:04

Um. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:06

But I think Robert Sala will be is a great first step. And you have your quarterback. Now it's time to go draft, get some real talent in around, not only offensively but defensively. Again, like you said, you could probably do a little bit less defense because Robert Sala just knows how to put a defense together. He's one of the great defensive minds in the NFL right now. So they just need. I think as long as they give Robert Salah the time, I think they will have a really good recipe for success. So now, team still interviewing. Arizona Cardinals are still interviewing guys for their head coaching job.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:38

That's what I that's what I said was the worst job, right? I said it was the Cardinals.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:44

I thought you said it was the Raiders.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:48

It was the worst job by far.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:50

So they're still looking for a head coach. Baltimore Ravens are still looking for a head coach. You have Buffalo now looking for a head coach. Who knows what they're going to be end up finding? They haven't even got a chance to hire again to interview anybody. Because again, they didn't think they're going to be hiring anybody anytime soon. Cleveland Brown's still looking, obviously, because they got rid of Stefansky. You have the Raiders still looking for a head coach as well, but they do have their number one overall pick. So I do think they have and they have a lot of money to spend on their rosters. So I do think that's still wouldn't want to go to the Raiders. Probably not. But again, they again, everybody's very convinced that um they fire their GM.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:29

No, he's still there. They're not going to the Raiders. That nigga sucks. I'm just saying, if like that GM's been there for a while. No, I agree. You gotta let him go at some point.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:41

And then you also have the Steelers who is still looking for a head coach. This is where I just have one complaint about the Steelers so far. One of the guys that is they're saying is being looked at as being a head coach for this team is Mike McCarthy. Which I'm not sure, obviously former Cowboys coach, and then he was also coaching for the Packers. He better not be the fucking option. I get it, he's an offensive guy, but he is fucking awful. Again, I'm not saying he's a good coordinator, bad coach. He's a good coordinator, but as a head coach, he's not good. And again, I get it. Tomlin decision was not all on you.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:19

No, we do not have somebody interviewed him as a head coach.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:22

Um, not as a head. Oh, Tennessee did. Um, but he's also interviewing to be the OC for the Chargers.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:30

I think he's trash.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:32

True. But again, um McCarthy should not be the head coach by any means necessary, no questions asked. He is a miles below head coach to what Mike Talman was, and he's already done the NFL, and we already know he is not that good of a head coach. If you go hire a young guy, at least there's some hope that he can turn into the head coach you need to be in the future. Mike McCarthy, we know what he is. He is mid as fuck as a head coach. So I just don't want it to be anywhere near that. And if you hire him, I think Steeler fans will revolt and they'll be very insanely mad about that. But I think the the three options that are like the three highest ones. Chris Shula, who was a DC for um the Rams. He's like 31, 32 years old. He's pretty young, but he's they said he has a very good defensive mind as a head coach. Um, the other options were um Nathan Shielhouse, who was the OC for the Rams, which I'm not he's very young. I'm not sure if we want to go that route. It might be a little too. He's like 30. And then the other one was I think it was oh, um, for the Oh no, for the DC for the Vikings.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:50

I know a lot of people.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:52

Come on, it's it's the one guy. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:55

Yeah, say that again, if I don't know him, that means he's a random.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:02

It's freaking why Brian Flores. He's also an option. I would I wouldn't hate him because he's another defensive mind and head coach, but he's younger, and I think he'll get a he'll have a chance to be able to re kind of reform the defense. Again, you'll have to get a good offensive coordinator to be on the other side, but I think as a head coach, he wouldn't be terrible, even though he doesn't know how to deal with people for the most part. But yeah, that's about it. So there's gonna be plenty of uh plenty of coaches that have to be hired. Of the ones left, you st you still think the brown you still think the Raiders is the worst?

SPEAKER_04 2:05:34

That's the worst job, dude. You you keep a GM that drafted Genty at seven? He can't draft.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:41

How about the how about the the Browns who still owe Deshaun Watson over$100 million guaranteed? And they kept the and they kept their GM.

SPEAKER_06 2:05:56

No, not going there. 100% not going there.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:00

I'm literally, I think the Browns is worse because at least they don't have any chance of getting better.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:06

You know what their GM can do? He can draft.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:11

He drafted Shador and he drafted um the other quarterback.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:16

One of those was not his thing. He drafted Gabriel, the other one was not his decision.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:20

Fine, but he still drafted Gabriel. Gabriel's ass, too.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:21

He also drafted Quinshawn Judgments.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:24

Fine, cool, great, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:27

He can draft pretty well.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:29

I don't think it's as I don't think it's as good as you think, but again, when especially when you have all the Schwarzinger, their linebacker. That's a good pick. No, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But again, even Browns fans aren't necessarily convinced about him as a head as a GM either. So I would still probably put the Browns as the worst one because they have all their money situation is trash. Um, but otherwise Graham.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:52

Another great pick.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:54

They traded up for him.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:56

It worked. Carson Schwarzenegger, Quinton Jacques.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:59

Sorry, no, they traded down. Never mind. They have an extra first round pick this year. They do, and they're never mind.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:04

Harrow Fannon Jr.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:06

Fannon was a good pick. Okay, fine. Um better GM than the other ones. Okay, fine, cool. Alright, well, uh so that's Dylan Samson.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:14

He was also pretty good. He was a good secondary back. Um I think Shadow was their last pick.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:23

So would you still consider the Ravens is the best job on the board?

SPEAKER_06 2:07:26

Uh no, because I feel like a lot of coaches aren't sold on Lamar. Fine. Yeah, no fine. By the way, that I would start questioning him.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:39

I don't know. I just feel like he's again, they at least they have a quarterback you know is a top 10-ish guy, five, 10-ish guy, um, when healthy. So I do think that is probably the best job left. I do think you walk in with the pressure of you have to go win a Super Bowl right away. So I do think that's a little maybe a little bit of a negative. But outside of that, I do think Baltimore is kind of like the most ready-made situation. The fact they have not hired anybody yet makes me think they're waiting for somebody that's on a super bowl on a rock on a team that's still playing. So maybe that's why they haven't hired anybody as yet, because they've been they've been kind of sitting for a minute, and they're the best job out there. So I think there's plenty of coaches that are out there willing to take the job right away. So I would say Baltimore one that's left, and then I'll put Pittsburgh two, and then probably the Raiders three as a like the three best ones. But, you know, it's just again, I still contend um Harbaugh kicking himself, he did he took the Giants job over the Bills.

unknown 2:08:36

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:38

Again, he didn't know that the Bills are gonna come open.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:40

Okay, I don't think so. We might have agreed to disagree on that one.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:42

Okay, you don't you don't believe you don't agree, but if you had to put yourself in Harbaugh's mind, would you think that if he had both opportunities right now, he wouldn't take the Bills over the Giants?

SPEAKER_06 2:08:52

I still think he'd take the Giants because the Giants have stuff going forward in a way that the Bills, like I said, have grown stagnant. Where are we going from here?

SPEAKER_07 2:09:00

True.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:00

And then they still have a decent You still have a GM GM to deal with the fuck he's doing.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:06

Oh, funniest thing, um, last thing before we get out of here, Harbaugh going to the Giants, he had it written into his contract that he has final say on the roster and that he doesn't answer the GM. He's going straight to the owner. And they asked the GM specifically, like, hey dude, um he he also got a he also got a um promotion too. Um, but they asked him about it. He's like, no, that's just a that's just a writing on a piece of paper. It doesn't matter, huh?

SPEAKER_06 2:09:32

The Bills doing that? Fuck no. Fuck no. That's true. Like I said, he has full control of that team. That's true. The Bills are not giving him that.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:42

No, I agree, I agree. But again, it was just funny about the GM saying, like, hey, it's just words on a piece of paper. It doesn't matter. We're working together. Yeah, but they kept him anyway, though.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:55

Because that GM can draft. He had a good draft. He's had several good fucking drafts.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:00

He's again, not I don't something good enough to where you shouldn't have fired him.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:05

Drafted him. Came on the drafted in. Every almost every play on that draft, on that uh defense besides Brian Burns, was drafted by the Giants.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:15

Yeah, but don't show you they overdrafted at one position they probably didn't need. Yeah, but now you're gonna have to end up paying them all, and now you're gonna have to let start letting them go one piece at a time.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:27

They don't. They paid both Kayvon Thibodeau and Brian Burns.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:32

Yeah, but what happens when the newest first-round pick they just use on a on a defensive end?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:39

I don't foresee him being in the NFL very long. He's kind of dog shit. He also drafted Malik Neighbors. Oh, and Scatterboo, who turned up way fucking better.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:48

Neighbors fell into their lap. I might want to give him credit for that. Scataboo, I'll give him though. Scataboo was a good pick.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:56

I agree. Real quick, he broke he dislocated his ankle, and with a running back really didn't have that much burst anyway. That's pretty detrimental. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:04

But again, it was a good fucking pick.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:07

I get it.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:08

Dude was a bowler all c all postseason for the in college football. And he they got him in the fucking third round.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:14

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:15

That's a good fucking pick.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:17

But ultimately, my question is is that when things start getting hard, those two are not gonna be on the same page by any means. They're gonna end up firing the GM.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:26

That GM is gone.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:28

Gone. Which I'm like, then why the fuck are you keeping him around then?

SPEAKER_06 2:11:32

Because I think he can drive.

Wrap-Up And Listener Requests

SPEAKER_07 2:11:33

He can, but I'm just sitting, I'm just saying, like, you've already created a problem amongst the two spots where you have to have symmetry. I don't think it'll matter in the end. Maybe not. Maybe, maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Maybe they'll be best friends. I fucking doubt it, because it's Harbaugh. I fucking doubt it. But it is what it is. Um, but that's everything, man. That's all we have. We don't have any other spots to talk about as of right now. We're gonna do another pod later on this week when we do the preview of the of the championship games in the AFC and the NFC. But then that's pretty much it. So we don't have anything else to go. So we'll go ahead and end the podcast here. If you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. If you're just now jumping on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride to talk about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you do like us and enjoy us, we would appreciate if you could like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us. We're pretty much available on all audio platforms out there, so we should not be any issue finding us wherever you want to listen to your podcast at. Um make sure you um share us with friends, family, enemies, anybody who's like to enjoy the podcast we put out on a weekly basis, with it being two times a week during the um football season. We would love if you can do that. And then last but not least, if you can follow us on X and or Twitter, whatever you'd like to call it, at JV Sports Pod is the podcast handle, at Javante Boozer is my handle, and at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I'll hand it over to Jace so he can finish off the pod.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:02

This has been Jason's podcast. Thank you guys for listening for always listening. You guys have a nice day, nice night. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:08

Bye. See y'all in a few days.