Giannis, Harden, And A Wild Super Bowl Week

Two stars, two playbooks, two different truths. We open with Giannis and the uncomfortable art of leverage: a franchise icon who won’t torch his city, a front office that won’t move without a king’s ransom, and a league where clarity gets deals done. We map who could have actually traded for him, why most suitors came up empty, and how “not wanting to be the villain” keeps Milwaukee and its fans suspended in will-he-won’t-he limbo.

Then we pivot to James Harden and bring receipts. We stack his playoff résumé against LeBron, Steph, and KD and highlight the numbers that keep haunting him: too many games with vanishing efficiency when the lights are brightest. From OKC to Houston to Brooklyn to Philly to L.A., the pattern is the point. So what does that mean for Cleveland’s bold swing? We cut through the regular-season shine and talk postseason translation, fit next to Donovan Mitchell, and why risk outweighs reward when the margins shrink.

Awards and legacy always light the fuse. We react to NFL Honors, the Hall of Fame class, and the Bill Belichick delay that has nothing to do with wins and everything to do with messaging. And yes, we go deep on wide receiver greatness: Larry Fitzgerald’s precision and durability with shaky quarterbacks versus T.O.’s devastating peak. It’s a real conversation about what we value—peak or consistency—and how the Hall should draw the line.

Finally, we break down Seahawks–Patriots with no fluff. Seattle has layers on defense, balance on offense, and a route magician in JSN who punishes leverage. New England’s path is narrower: protect the edges, let Drake May steal yards with his legs, and hope Christian Gonzalez swings a possession. If it turns into a track meet, Seattle pulls away. If it stays grimy and under 20, New England can hang. Our pick: Seattle by more than one score unless turnovers flip the board.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:10

Welcome back, Gibbs of the Podcast. Today is Friday, February the 6th. We're back for the podcast.

Giannis Trade Noise And Market Reality

SPEAKER_02 0:15

We're back! We're together! It's been like I think it's been like two or three weeks since you've since you potted. It's been a minute. There's been stuff to pot about. There's been games to react to and all of that. Come on. I again I podcasted by myself once a week ago because there really wasn't much to talk about. And I gave you and you couldn't. I think you were sick. Or something of the sort, and you couldn't come. But and then this week there isn't much to talk about. We have the trade outline that just happened. I have a couple things I want to talk about from there. And then obviously we have the Super Bowl that's coming up. And I do want to talk about the NFL honors winners. Um, talk about those and see if we have any differences on what we thought about that. Um, Drewski, as much as I like him, I kind of hated what he did last night. Wasn't a big fan of that. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about it, we'll get there. Um, and in the Super Bowl preview, anything like that, maybe might mention the fact that I want to go across state lines to make a header header tails, but but other than that, let's we don't really have a lot to talk about today. So let's go ahead and get to it and uh hopefully have a fun time doing this thing. So let's get let's get into things. So let's start with the NBA. We only a couple trades I really wanted to talk about. And do you would I'll give you a choice, Jace. Would you rather talk about Giannis first or Harden?

SPEAKER_06 1:33

I understand the Giannis one less. So let's start about that one. Okay. Not understand it less. I just don't get why he's he wasn't traded.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Giannis pretty much announced, he never said it with his own words, but via media and all of that, it is pretty much news that he over the last few weeks, actually months or so, that Giannis has pretty much been ready to get traded from Milwaukee to go to a more winning situation. And nothing really came of it up until these last like two weeks where Milwaukee finally decided, hey, we'll start listing to calls and doing all of that. And then as the trade deadline was approaching, it was getting the last couple days, it really came down to Golden State being a team that could trade for him. I think it was Golden State. Who were the other two teams?

SPEAKER_04 2:19

It was Golden State, the Knicks, and Knicks, and there was one other.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

I think it was Atlanta.

SPEAKER_04 2:25

It was the Timberwolves, but they had nothing to give.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

I thought Atlanta was in on it too. I think Miami was trying to.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

I think Atlanta, yes, it was Atlanta and Miami, and I think it was another team, but it was the main ones are Golden State and the Knicks.

SPEAKER_06 2:40

Yes. The problem with the other ones was Atlanta had nothing left to give. Uh they didn't really have any fucking picks, and they didn't have any much to give them.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

They had the one player they have that's really good, the Johnson dude. They weren't gonna give him up for anything.

SPEAKER_05 2:53

So and then the Timberwolves the Timberwolves literally had nothing to give up. They had nothing to give anybody. Uh-uh. Uh because they they had sort of looked out for a lot of trades. They wanted a couple different players, they had nothing to give to people.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 3:05

Um Timberwolves, Atlanta, and Miami. Miami was in the same boat. Miami doesn't really have anything. We got nothing to give. Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Player-wise, do they really have anybody they're willing to give up?

SPEAKER_05 3:16

True, but they also are a play-in team, so the fact they got nobody is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Again, they wanted the ones, they wanted to try to get a star, and if not that, they weren't gonna because again, who wants fucking Tyler here at this point?

SPEAKER_05 3:28

There was a one time where he was a hot player that people actually wanted, and now people's falling off when he should he should have they should have fucking traded him and got something now. I think he's still averaging like 21 at 90.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

He's fine, but like there's no nobody's not a superstar. He's not, especially with what he's getting paid.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

It's just not gonna work. Oh, I don't know if he's that good or if he's just throwing up shots.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

No doubt.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

Because Bam is very good. Bam is their best player. Bam is a dog, Bam is he's that good.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

And they're not gonna give him up. He's like the identity of their team. So like that's the one guy they're not gonna give up.

SPEAKER_06 3:59

But Tyler Hero, I don't think is as good as people think he is.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

No. Uh again, people don't even I don't even think teams think he's as good.

SPEAKER_05 4:07

Now I'm starting to feel like he's just kind of throwing up shots.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Uh he is a DC, I think he's a good, he's a good player, but it's just when it comes to winning a championship, can he be your one or even two option? Probably like maybe he'll be a low-end two option, but like he's nowhere near, especially with what he's getting paid. It didn't make sense that he was gonna like be a part of any type of trade when it came to Giannis. So here so you you were we were kind of halfway talking about this before we started potting. Is what did you like your main question was what did Milwaukee want? So, from what I read, they wanted not only a young blue chip player to come back to them to kind of keep their team at least being competitive, but they also wanted a bunch of picks and all of that. It's like when you're trading a guy like Giannis that's still in the height of his power, he's 30, what is he, 30, 31 years old?

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Tyro is actually pretty efficient. He's pretty efficient.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

What is it? What's the percentages? He's 49%. From the field? Yeah. That's not bad at all. How much is he averaging per game?

SPEAKER_05 5:10

I was right. I was on the dot 21.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Okay. That's that's not bad at all. That's not bad. But he's nothing defensively. He's a he literally is a negative defensively.

SPEAKER_05 5:20

Is plus or minus, he's negative 3.4.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Yeah, not surprised.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

So he's actually hurting the team.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

Um he's only played 11 games this year.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

So injured two doesn't help.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Dang, that's kind of that's kind of see there you go. It the fact that he's injured doesn't help it either, but yeah, no team really wants him for what the money he's getting paid to do so.

SPEAKER_06 5:41

Um, so they wanted he's only played 11 games. He is a below average shooter. Oh, there you go. Before that, he was averaging 44%, 43%, 44%, 43%.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

From the field? From the field, it's not terrible. Yeah, but what is he from three? Is he somewhere around 30%?

SPEAKER_06 5:59

Uh, what's good?

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Like 30% is pretty much like if you're a guard, you have to be sitting around 30.

SPEAKER_06 6:07

From three, he's better. 35%, 37%, 39%.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

From three, he is better. Okay, so that's just three-point shooter, but anything that's gonna be. That's not his game. If it's not that, he's not great at.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

He's a dribbler, dude. He does not want to just kind of like No, he dribbles the air of the ball. Yeah, he's not one of those like can just catch and shoot guys. That's not even what his game is. Like, he if you tried to make him that, it wouldn't work because he has a guy that likes to shoot off the dribble. So, like, again, not a guy we ever thought was going to be a real option in a Giannis trade. But no, they wanted a blue chip, uh, the Milwaukee Bucks, blue trip player, plenty of draft picks back and everything. Obviously, Giannis being at the height of his powers. I think he was averaging like close to 30 points a game, around 10. I think he's close to triple double when it comes to what his averages were. So can you am I crazy for thinking that they never wanted to trade him in the first place? No. I obviously maybe it's not crazy to think that like that in their heart of hearts, they do not want to get rid of Giannis because he is their best player, and without him, it's not a place that you can like guarantee to sign free agents to come and like at least a star of his caliber.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

Guarantee you're not signing it free agents.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

So you'd have to draft somebody again, which is one of those things, like again, that's like what you have to do if you let that you're a place like that. But here's my thing. I think this is Giannis's fault. So when the trade deadline goes by and that nothing happens, I think it was pretty much news hours before that they that they did not intend on trading him whatsoever. Okay, and then after the trade deadline goes, what does Giannis tweet out? But I think it was some quote as in like true superstars um don't chase, they attract. I think Giannis is a part of the problem because I think if Giannis wanted to go, if he really just strong armed his way into going, he could go. Right? If he threw a tan, I'm not saying go go as far as like Harden, which we'll get to him in a minute, but like go as far as like, hey, I want to go, make it very clear, say it with your own words, and not just be it like rumblings through the media that hey, it's time for me to go. I need to go be in a winning situation. That's not how this goes. In the NBA, if a pla if a star player of that caliber wants to go, they end up going. By hook or by crook, it happens, right? But I think Giannis's number one thing that he wants to do. Again, it's it's it's admirable to a certain extent. I think he doesn't want to be a bad guy. I don't think he wants to get hate be hated by the city of uh Milwaukee. But here's the thing I don't think the city would hate him if he decided to leave. Am I crazy for thinking that?

SPEAKER_04 8:51

No.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I think I think that he brought them a championship, so it wasn't like he didn't bring them what he was supposed to. Again, he he went well and beyond what he ever anybody ever thought he was going to do as a member of the Milwaukee Bucks. But I think he is so against being hated at all, like the LeBron kind of aspect where he doesn't want everyone to look like a bad guy, that I think he's made the situation worse. Like, if he was just a strong arm, like not strong arm, but make it very clear with his own words that he wants to go and it's time, Milwaukee would have no choice but to do so, and I think it'll make it easier on everybody. But now he's putting the fans and the team on the will he won't he thing, right? Now it's gonna like because this has been a going question for years now on when will Giannis decide he wants to go and be a part of a winning situation, because let's be honest, ever since they won their championship, it's pretty much been a sinking ship. But I think with Giannis being so against looking like a bad guy, I think he's he's keeping everybody on the hook.

SPEAKER_08 9:56

I agree.

Who Could Even Trade For Giannis

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Does that make am I being too am I being too I think it's I think this is Giannis's fault. I really do. Because again, I just don't think Milwaukee's never gonna if this was if he was in Dallas, if he was with the Lakers, if he was with the Knicks, he was with Miami. If he was if he was on one of those teams that are big markets and that are long-standing franchises that have more avenues to success than what a place like Milwaukee does, I don't think he'd have to try as hard to get traded if he made it very clear to the team that I want to get traded, okay? Same thing as KD. Like KD has never really truly like had to go out there and like act a fool to get traded to go from one place to the other. He has he has had to do he's been able to do it very in a very low-key way where really nobody other than OKC probably truly hates him for it, okay. But when you're in a place like Milwaukee, that you have to be an asshole because they want to hold on to you for so they want to hold on to you so bad.

unknown 10:57

Uh we won't talk about podcasts. Never mind.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

I I didn't want to get into a KD point. I really didn't. But I was just kind of as my comparison.

SPEAKER_05 11:05

It was something else.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 11:07

Um that you're gonna find funny.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

I'm gonna find funny. Okay. I mean, we can talk about it on pod if you want to. Sure. Uh is this gonna take us down a crazy rabbit hole that we don't need to go down?

SPEAKER_07 11:18

It might.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Should I we get to the hardened thing, and then you can try to take us down the rabbit hole?

SPEAKER_07 11:23

Uh, it's up to you, gang.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

We'll do that. We'll do that. We'll get to the we'll get to the two main things I wanted to talk about, and then we can go down your rabbit hole.

unknown 11:30

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

You're saying this as if it would be better if we just do it now.

SPEAKER_07 11:34

Just say it. It might be.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Alright, go.

SPEAKER_05 11:37

There's a lot of names in the Epstein files, but Michael Jackson's ain't.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Okay, I didn't want to go down this rabbit hole yet.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

I'm sorry. I was just thinking about it. There's a lot of names in the Epstein files, and his ain't one of them.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

Okay. What is that?

SPEAKER_05 11:52

I feel like it should be, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Uh no. He he's again, he can attract. He doesn't need to go to an island. He can bring little kids to his place because he had a zoo at his place.

SPEAKER_07 12:02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

What do you mean? He had never land. Like that was a whole thing. Like he had a bunch of like real animals on his property. And what supposedly he liked to do with children, he can bring them to him. He did not have to go on Epsy's Island to get get to to scratch that itch, allegedly. I don't know. Oh, scratch that itch doesn't sound right now, now that I said it. Is that all you had to say?

SPEAKER_06 12:32

Apparently a new file came out.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Yeah, recently. Yeah, and people's names have been coming out about it. Tony Hawk recently, his name got mentioned, which was kind of crazy for me to see. And then he had to like he tried to kind of have some type of thing he tweeted out saying like why it proves that he wasn't doing anything nefarious. But I'm like, once your name's on there, you're pretty much like it's almost like a black black mark on you on your record. Because nobody's truly ever gonna know. Because it's like this is not one of those things that's gonna be like tried in the court of law to where you can prove um what it w it is or is not true. It's really just the court of public opinion. But yeah. Alright, that's if that's all you had, then we should I should be able to go back to the back to business here. Unless you had something else. No? Yes? Don't smile like that and then not say a word. Hello? I'm trying to get I'm trying to get some confirmation of whether to go back to the heart to the honest thing or not. This is such great podcasting, having all this dead space.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

I'm physically reading the Epstein vibe.

The Tyler Herro Problem In Deals

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Okay, I'm just gonna go back. I'm gonna go back to doing the hard to the Giannis thing. Main point, Giannis, I think this is his fault. I really do. I think he's keeping everybody on the hook. And I think when he's at a place like Milwaukee that is so desperate to have a superstar of his caliber, I think if you want to tear the band-aid off, you have to fucking tear it. You cannot just sit there and do the will he won't he thing. Because if they have an opportunity to keep you or get rid of you, they're gonna keep you because there's no guarantee they'll ever have a guy of your caliber ever again. So I think that Giannis wanting to be a hero so much, I think it will may end up making him a villain long term because he's not willing just to rip the band-aid off and just make it easy on everybody by making his wants and desires very clear and making Milwaukee have to tear the band-aid off. So I think that's my main thing because I just Giannis needs to go, like he's so good. Him having MVP like numbers, he needs to go in. And here, and what makes it worse is that now he says that, but Milwaukee is still planning on shutting him down for the year and then trying to trade him in the offseason. But now there's a bunch of time that now Giannis is still sticking with sticking with the team that he can still keep giving them mixed messages if um as to whether he actually wants to leave or not. So this is only this is only prolonging the issue, and then now it's gonna give Milwaukee even more of a chance to think they can convince him that staying there is the best thing for everybody. So I just think overall, I think it's really Giannis's fault that all this is happening. I think it'll make this a lot more messy in the end because he is not willing to be, you know, take some people off in his pursuit to go play in a better place, in a better spot to, you know, make use of his talents in a winning situation. Alright, now on to the Harden thing, okay. And this is on the way on the other side, and I go from Giannis, being a guy that I understand what he's trying to do, but I think he's doing it the wrong way, to Harden, where I think I'm totally against him in every aspect of how he decides to do to handle himself both professionally and then actually off the court and on the court. Because when it comes to Harden, is there How do I say this? Is there more of a drastic the worst individuals when it comes to when the games don't matter, he's he's at his best. When the games matter most, he's at his worst. And then every time anything gets hard, he is the first one to f to get the fuck out.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

And that's when it comes to money, that's when it comes to the situation if things are getting a little hairy socially with other players. And and when he does decide he wants to leave, he is not one to do it the quiet in good in like more clean way. He will put on a fat suit and let himself gain a bunch of weight in pursuit of getting out, or take himself out in this most recent thing where he just took himself out of the lineup because they wouldn't pay him his money. This dude has now, I think he's been on six different teams now. And in all those situations, he has quit on all of them. Except for OKC.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

I was about to say.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

OKC is the only one where like you have to give like he it was his time to go, and OKC was the one that's quit on that situation because they didn't want to pay him the money that he deserved, being the sixth man there, and they decided that hey, that's we do they wanted to save money rather than keep him around to potentially have a you know go to the multiple finals and win with KD and Russell Westbrook there. Other than that, it's all been on Harden. He has had multiple opportunities and multiple good spots where he has been the best player, he's had very good seasons. He honestly, when it comes to what his numbers are, he will go down as a Hall of Famer. Easy in the MB, especially in the NBA Hall of Fame, where it's very easy to get in. But even still, Harden is a when it comes to two guards in NBA history, he is in probably in the top ten. When it comes to his numbers, when it comes to actual regular season numbers and what he has done on the basketball court. I think he's won an MVP, right? Yes. He's also won an MVP. Um, and he did play in one finals with OKC as a six man, but as a main guy, he's never been that, been there. So when you're talking about guys of his caliber and what he has done, he's run from every situation, and in the biggest moments he's he's come up short. I have these stats for you for Harden that make that makes this abundantly clear of how underwhelming he not underwhelming, flat out ass he has been throughout his postseason career. Okay. So I'm comparing these four players: Harden, um, James Harden, LeBron James, Steph Curry, and KD. All right? And I have five different stats for you to kind of do this. So career playoff games. Harden's at 173. LeBron is like way ahead of everybody at 292. Um Steph is at 155 and KD is at 170. So Harden with James, with um Steph and KD, he's pretty close. James is way ahead. So in those games, there, when it comes to games with as many playoff games with as many turnovers as field goals made. Harden has 42. LeBron James has 17. Steph has 13, and KD has seven. And we mentioned this beforehand. I got these all these stats from First Things First show on FS1. Very good show if you're a good sports, if you really love sports. One of the best shows out there, at least television shows out there, talking about sports and all that. So make sure you go to that. But I got this from there because I heard it and I'm like, this is insane. So now next one. Playoff games with under five field goals made. Harden 55. LeBron James 9. Steph eight and KD four. With under five baskets made.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Next one, career playoff games with under four baskets made. James Harden 35. LeBron James five. Steph 3, KD two. And last but not least, playoff games with under three baskets made. Harden 22. LeBron James 2. Steph 1 to KD 0. How fucking insane is that? That's insane. That's literally, you can look at it. That's insane.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

Literally.

SPEAKER_05 20:58

Like. Dude. That's insane. 20 more than the next closest person with under three. And this includes LeBron, who's played almost double the amount of playoff games. 30 more than the next closest person with under four.

SPEAKER_06 21:12

He has 42 more with the next person under five. He has 34 more with under.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

What the fuck is this? As many turnovers as field goals.

SPEAKER_05 21:35

And he has similar. He has more playoff games than Steph. Yeah.

Is Giannis Afraid To Be The Villain

SPEAKER_02 21:42

And more than KD. KD's 170. 170 playoff games. That's still three more than KD. Oh, dang it. Okay. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 21:52

He's the second most playoffs on this list.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

And he trumps everybody, even LeBron, who's played almost double the amount of playoff games.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Like that's insane. Like that's in like for Harden that he has underperformed, way more than underperformed. I think that's almost being nice to him. In all of his playoff situations, in most of the most of the spots where because he's had opportunities to where he can get to the finals. Him and um Chris Paul. Chris Paul got hurt, but in the last game, Harden played like ass. He did.

SPEAKER_07 22:23

Yeah, he was fucking.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

And he missed like 20-something field goals in that game. There was another opportunity where it was him and let's say after that, they got him and Westbrook together. That didn't work out, and it was terrible. Even though they were friends before, and then it was supposed to work out, and then him and Westbrook just never worked out. And then he goes to Brooklyn. KD carries that team by himself again. Again, that's not a KD conference. I don't want to go down that road. But Harden's on that court too. Harden's on that court too. All Harden has to do is be a willing participant in the game, and they probably win that game against the Bucks. And the Bucs went on to win the win the whole NBA finals that year. All KD needed was a guy to act like a real like he really wanted to be in the game, and Harden couldn't. Again, Harden was playing through an injury, but at this time, players play through injuries. It is what it is, right? And then he goes from there to go to Philly. Philly doesn't want to pay him the money he thinks he thinks he deserves, and then he's he pretty much goes to China and talks to a bunch of kids that don't know, probably don't know what he's what he's saying to make a claim that I'll never play for that GM again because he didn't pay me what he's supposed to pay me. And then now this situation where he just wanted to get paid again, and because none of his money is guaranteed, like I think he's supposed to get like 40-something million, but only 13 million is guaranteed. So he's trying to get a new deal, and the Clippers were like, no, we're not gonna pay anybody past 2027 because we might have to rebuild this whole thing because of where you are in your career, where Kawhi is. So we're not gonna pay anybody past 2027. So he makes he throws a bitch fit there, takes himself out of the lineup, and then when he's talked to the media afterwards, he's like, I never asked for a trade. But I'm like, you did fucking everything else.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

You did everything except explicitly say it.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

He showed up to a college basketball game between Arizona and Arizona State that night and didn't show up at the actual basketball game that he was supposed to be in Arizona playing against Phoenix. So I'm like, you take yourself out of the lineup and you pull this shit, and then when you when Airway looks at you, it's like he has it's almost like he has he feels like he's he's one of those other guys, James, Steph, and KD, at least those guys have done something in the NBA to warrant them feeling like they're that dude. But James Harden, if it's not in the regular season, he hasn't done shit. And he's run from every hard situation ever when it comes to money, when it comes to on the team. He has never stuck it out ever. And he has never been the guy to be like, hey, I'm gonna be the dude to stick around here, and I'm gonna be the reason we're gonna be good. It's not like in the Rockets gave him everything he wanted when he was in Houston. They gave him everything he wanted.

SPEAKER_06 24:59

Yeah. They were letting him chuck up 50 shots.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

They were letting him chuck up the shots, they got guys when he wanted them. They when they got Dwight Howard, I think they had Dwight at one point, right? They brought in Chris Paul, they brought in Russell Westbrook, they got you all the dudes you wanted. Like they did everything for you they could.

SPEAKER_06 25:17

A lot of their failings were because of him.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Right.

SPEAKER_06 25:20

Of the offense ran through him, and when he was ass, the whole fucking team was asked.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 25:24

Because you were the one you chucked up more than half their shots a night. Uh you're talking the year his the years where he was with the Rockets, he was at his best. Yeah. But he wasn't. He was trash. In the playoffs, like always. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 25:39

His percentages were awful. Like he would go fit, he would shoot shooting probably about 50% every year, which is good until you realize this motherfucker put up 49 shots.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Yeah. Is that winning basketball in the end?

SPEAKER_05 25:54

And it doesn't turn out to be. He put up 49 shots. He made 28 of them, so it just all it did was balance out. But like he went 0 for 13 in the first quarter.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

When he was with Philly, he was with a healthy Joel Embiid, helped Joel Embiid go win a go win an MVP. Really, that was because Harden was fish was giving the ball to him and making sure he was a fist facilitating. But the money thing then turned it to where he didn't want to be there no more. So I'm just sitting there like you. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 26:21

I think he's at a point in his career to where you are not the guy that can pay that much money no more. I think Philly would because I think that the year after he left, they got Tyrese Maxie.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Um, Tyrese Maxie was already there. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 26:34

This nigga left for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Again, they had a good team, and he just said, Hey, that they don't want to pay me the money I I deserve. Because I think before that he took a pay cut with them telling him, hey, we'll pay you on your next contract, we'll give you more money to make up for that. And they didn't want to when it finally when the rubber hit the road and he decided I'm out. But I'm sitting here like, when you keep doing this shit and you keep leaving all these situations, the only thing that's the same is fucking you. And then nobody's gonna be like caping up for you thinking that you're supposed to be that guy. And there was a time where people were looking at hardened thinking he like me might be one of the best players of all time without a championship. And now that's because of stuff like shit like that throughout him leaving all these teams and then him not doing shit in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_05 27:21

That's crazy. That's astronomically bad.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

That's astronomically bad. That's why I had to say them because like when I heard them on the on the show, I'm like, this is insane. And again, these are guys that are his peers. Again, James, Steph, and KD are all much better players than him, but when it comes to the stats and what they are on the court throughout their primes, he's right there with all of them. He has an MVP, like he's doing the same things as all these other guys. So I just think that when you're looking at your other peers and what they're doing in the playoffs in comparison to what you are, and it's so astronomically different. And this is just fucking showing up, going to make baskets. Like, we're not talking about being like scoring 30 points, we're just talking about making three goddamn baskets in a goddamn basketball game, and he failed to do that in 22 playoff games. Him being the superstar that he is, is that's uh that's insane. Insane it lacks so much self-awareness on his part that I'm just like this is in it's it's insane how bad that of a situation that is.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

But yeah, so the very two very different situations where I think Giannis is like over overdone what he is supposed to do in his spot, and Harden has been given so many opportunities to cape up and have big moments, and he has come up short in all of them. And it almost seems like he never takes real responsibility because when things start getting hard, he's not gonna be the guy to stick around and want to be the reason that things change. He's gonna be the first guy to take get a bus tick out of town.

SPEAKER_08 28:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

So, like that, it's insane that that that is that hard, this whole Harden thing. And now him going to Cleveland, um getting to the actual trade that spurred this whole situation, this whole talk. Why would Cleveland trade again again? Darius Garland and him are two very different players. He's Harden's a lot more healthy, he's a bigger guard. And I I do think that he running the point with Cleveland and then putting um Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell on the two guard. Like that can be a good mixture. I think Cleveland's already been asked this year, and now they're doubling down this year is kind of insane. And there's no way that they are not bringing Harden in and saying, hey, well, at least guarantee the money you're supposed to get next year to make him a little bit happier about being in fucking Cleveland.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

Nothing can make you happy about being in Cleveland.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Nothing will, but I'm like adding$38 million that you didn't expect to get next year to what like what you're supposed to get paid will help. I guess it helped Miles Garrett, right? But I just think that overall, I I don't know why Cleveland did this because I just don't think Harden, again, even if he does make you good enough to where you're gonna be in those big situations again.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

I just don't uh but it won't matter.

The Detour: Epstein Names Tangent

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Harden's not even a good number two option. He's already fucking proved as a better player before with in Brooklyn. He couldn't be in the number two in a big situation. So like now you're he's gonna be your number two guy in in Cleveland and you're gonna expect that to work. It's not gonna fucking work. No, it's not gonna fucking work. It doesn't make any fucking sense to me. And now Harden's gonna be pissed because there's no good strip clubs to go to in Cleveland. And think about it, ever since he left Oklahoma City, every city he's been has been a big city where he can party and do what he wants and live amongst make live the high life. You can't do that shit.

SPEAKER_05 30:32

He's made so much money though. And he will be I doubt it. Okay, you say he made he made so much more so much money. I have a question. Do you think he lives a life similar to like Florida Mayweather? Apparently, is bankrupt. Like broke, flat broke.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Uh I think the way that the they're paid out in the NBA is different than what they're doing in boxing, to where running out of money is more easily done in boxing comparison in the NBA, because every year it's like a salary every year. Like you get. Yeah, I know Floyd Metweather is easy to do.

SPEAKER_05 31:11

The first Pacquiao fight.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Yeah, he's made he's made billions of dollars in his career. Yes. And he's flat out broke. No, I get I get that.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

Flat out broke. The strip club he owns in Miami is in debt 53k.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:24

Now it probably helped he can't read. Uh so he doesn't, he doesn't, he he couldn't tell you what the numbers are. Hasn't found out yet. Uh real quick, that man's like 50 something and can't read.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Bro? I'm not gonna say he cannot read at all. I just say he can't read good. 53.

SPEAKER_05 31:43

I will. I'll give Harden this.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

He can read.

SPEAKER_05 31:46

I know. Sorry, it's it was something I saw the other day. And like it was actual statements. Like his nigga's motherfuckers broke. Like he had to sell a couple of his jets. Fuck you. Fuck you. Go fuck yourself. Right. You broke by your standards. Oh, you probably still have multiple millions left.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Yeah, it's just he can't keep up the lifestyle that you that you were doing before, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

Uh sorry, it was something I there's something that was on my mind of I don't I'm not a fan of Floyd Mayweather. I've never been a fan of him.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

You are there's a lot of people that haven't been hasn't is not a fan of Floyd Mayweather.

SPEAKER_05 32:17

I know, but like you are the biggest fucking runner. You are not the best boxer ever. Yeah, you are a fucking runner. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Uh I'm I don't think Harden's gonna be that bad, but I just I do think that. Ah, I think you're wrong. I'm not I'm just I'm not gonna do that, but I'm just I'm talking about what's on the court. On the court, Harden has underperformed. I'm not even sure what the word is.

SPEAKER_05 32:40

Off the court, he likes BBLs. He does. I digress.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

No question.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

The NFO honors were last night.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Okay, you want to get off the Bulls, real quick, just real quick. Bulls, I don't want to talk about the Bulls. They're finally willing to go be ass for a couple years. That's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_05 32:58

No, because they've been middling since 1998.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

They've been middling for the last four years, being right up right there at the 10th seed, maybe can make the playoffs, but we have been ass since 1999.

SPEAKER_05 33:09

Not enough, not enough. Yeah, no, no, no. We were ass enough, and we got this small little thing, real bouncy guard from Memphis named Derek Rose. Then we were good again, and then these niggas just shot themselves in the foot.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Yeah, and then over.

SPEAKER_05 33:25

And then ever since he left, they were over, and then we were good again, and then this nigga Alonzo got hurt, and suddenly we were I I dreamed about the year we were number one, and Alonzo, they were balling. Lonzo got hurt. Lonzo's such a great player that if he never gets injured, I don't ever think he's a superstar, but I do believe he was a Chris Paul kind of guard. Yeah, and he played defense. Yeah, really good defense. And he was gonna give you, I'd say he probably averaged anywhere from 15 to 20. Man, he he could ball. I like Lonzo. I like a lot, yeah. But clearly none of the ball brothers are fucking hardy. Them niggas get hurt like nobody's business. They do. Lamello gets hurt by getting bumped. Yeah. And he's hurt. And he's a superstar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

He is really good when he's out there on the court. No questions asked.

SPEAKER_05 34:17

He's never out there. Um so.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

I just think I just want to admire at least the Bulls are willing to finally take their medicine and go be asked. Because again, in the NBA, it has proven that if you want to go get a if you're not gonna sign them, you have to be a top five pick in the draft and they can't have been able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 34:35

Like seventh overall pick.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

You still have to get draft, you still have to get the right player for sure.

SPEAKER_05 34:39

That's the way the way they do the draft, the NBA lottery is fucking stupid. Yeah, for sure. No other fucking league does this. Why do you still do it? This is dumb. Oh, we want teams to be competitive. They're trying.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

They're trying. You've built, especially with all the apron stuff now, like you've made it harder for teams to spend money to build out these teams because you you made it this hard. Yes, but now they have to go through the draft. Utah is a great example.

SPEAKER_07 35:08

They're trying.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

They are, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:10

They're just fucking bad.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:12

They're just bad. Like they're like in the NBA, I can say most teams are trying pretty fucking hard.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:19

They're just bad.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

They do have triple J now, so they think they are gonna be better.

SPEAKER_07 35:23

Will they?

SPEAKER_02 35:24

Yeah. But again, will they go eat? What the fuck are him and Lowry Marketing about to do? Lori Marketing's he's actually good.

SPEAKER_07 35:31

Is he? Or is he just a player who is better than the rest of them on a shitty team?

SPEAKER_02 35:36

I would love for him to still be on the Bulls. I wouldn't. They gave up on him two years early.

SPEAKER_05 35:40

They okay, real quick. They gave up on him after like four years, and I'm like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Right. They gave up on him way too early. They really did.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

And they never they they try to make him just a standard big man. I'm like, that's not what the fuck he is. And then they get Vusevich two years later. I'm like, this is what Lowry Marketing was.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Vusevich is more of a big actually big man defensive. All Lowry Marketing is was like way more dynamic and shoot, actually shoot threes consistently.

SPEAKER_05 36:06

Well, we have Vusevich do it. We're trying to have Markinovich be a big man. That is not at all his skill set. Nope. But here's the thing. I don't think he was ever that good.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Well, not to be the best player on a championship winning team.

SPEAKER_05 36:21

He's a great number two option.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:23

Right, right. And he's the best player on Utah because name another player on Utah that's not fucking Jaron Jackson Jr.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

Ace Bailey.

SPEAKER_05 36:30

He's good.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

They just drafted him. So that's the only reason why I know his name. He's really good. Um, I got nothing else.

SPEAKER_05 36:36

Exactly. So you know, Marking gets to do, hey bro, just chuck that bitch up.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Yeah, no, you're not wrong.

Back To Giannis And The Offseason

SPEAKER_05 36:41

We're not winning games anyway. Throw that bitch up there. Like, so it's just like I they gave up on him too early. I agree with you. But he's the best player on a backpack.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

I can admire Utah being like, hey, we want to finally start winning games because they've been trying to do this losing games thing for five, six, seven years, and they haven't been able to do anything. So, hey, hey, let's go give it. Let's go try. I'll give it to Washington as well. Washington's trying as well.

SPEAKER_07 37:03

And that's the thing. Washington's been bad. Even when they had a superstar, they were bad.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:08

They had John Wall for several years and were still missing the playoffs. They were just fucking bad. Do you know why? They're in DC.

unknown 37:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:19

They are probably literally the smallest market team.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

Yeah. The only great play, awesome player that has ever even sniffed wanting to go there was KD because he's from there and he never even got close.

SPEAKER_05 37:29

Exactly. So, like, and you're talking like they had several good places, they had Bradley Beal, who was very good for a while. Yeah, John Walls at his best.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:38

They were still only winning 25 games a year. Yeah. And they were paying and signing players.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:43

They were just bad. In the NBA teams, more often than not are fucking trying. Yeah. They're just dog shit. And it's like, hey, we are, we aren't even like, we don't, we're not even like the biggest team in our state. Right. Like Memphis is, I think, like the second or third smallest market team. And they've built better teams.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:03

The Timberwolves, another one. They're a small market team. Nowhere close to near DC. DC is such a small market team that I would, dude. The fact the Wizards are still fucking there is crazy. Yeah. There's so many bigger and better cities to go to. Fucking Seattle would love the Supersonics back. Yeah. And that's a much bigger city.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

But like in the NBA, teams are always trying. I'd say 90% of the time teams are really trying to be good.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

And they're spending the money to be good. It's just not always feasible because you can't attract players.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

In these smaller places, like you're not going to get these amazing players to come play for you. It's not going to happen. It's not possible. So now they have to draft it, and now you've made it super hard to where I could do all the losing I want, and then Dallas gets the fucking number one overall pick, and they get the superstar in Cooper Flag. And like at They They fell on their ass into him and they didn't deserve it because they traded away Luka Doncic last year.

SPEAKER_05 38:58

And then fire that they fired that stupid nigga, like, what the fuck are you doing? The owner probably came in like what?

SPEAKER_02 39:05

Why the fuck would you do that? Well the owner wanted to do that.

SPEAKER_05 39:09

It wasn't without his blessing. That still, the city the city of the city of Dallas was like, fire and kill this nigga.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

What is he doing? And then they they I believe they also proceeded to pay Anthony Davis.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

They traded, they traded, obviously getting the trade, and then now they've given up on him so fast this year now trading into Washington. I will give Washington credit. At least they have after the after the John Wall and Bradley Beal, they went to being ass, didn't work, and they're like, hey, we're gonna trade for Trey Young. Now they're trading for K A for uh AD. And next year, if they're gonna be asked for that street, because both of those players are not gonna play for the rest of the year, they go get a top five pick and then bring that top five pick in with Trey Young and A D, they could be a competitive team next year.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:02

And end up with the sixth overall pick.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:04

What the fuck? What the fuck is this bullshit? Worst team gets number one pick. It's it shouldn't be this hard. It shouldn't be that fucking hard. And the turnaround for those teams is crazy. Right. You're talking in the NFL, the worst team won four games. That's that's 25%.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:22

That's 25% of their chances of they weren't even trying to be bad. At the end, the Raiders gave the fuck up. Fuck this.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

But that was a team that at the start of the year tried to be good and didn't give up until like 12 games.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

They were only one of three teams to beat the fucking Patriots, only had three losses. Exactly. So like come on.

SPEAKER_05 40:40

They didn't give the fuck up to have 12 games. So you're talking they're they're nine from their way through the schedule, and they're like, hey, this nigga Geno's.

Harden’s Exits And Playoff Record

SPEAKER_02 40:46

You know what makes it worse is that in the NFL, the turnaround on some of these great players is longer than what it is in the NBA. It is a lot of times the NBA, when you get these players coming out of high school and coming out of college, they're good right away, or in the within a couple years, this shit transforms. And it turns around you should be more than willing to change that whole shit and stop doing the whole lottery system because it's not fucking working. And now all these teams are on this fucking rat race. It's not working.

SPEAKER_05 41:10

It just doesn't work like this.

SPEAKER_07 41:12

It never fucking works. Half the time in the NBA, either this nigga's good, amazing, or ass.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

Either he's a solid role player or a solid like optional court. He's a solid starter.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

And you know quick.

SPEAKER_05 41:28

Or he's a superstar, or he's just not gonna fucking work. Right. Yeah. Like he's just not good. You know immediately. There's like first there's probably no league like the NBA where first overall picks turn out to be dog shit.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

Like there is no other league where the this dude's just straight.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

I guess the MLB, but like a lot of times you just never hear from them again.

SPEAKER_05 41:51

But that's the thing. In the MOB, fucking anybody can be good.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

They'll just be they'll get stuck in the farm system, then you'll just never hear from them.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

Like they just in the MLB, it is I'm gonna be honest. The MLB is the one where like you When were you picked up? I don't even know where you live. You've been playing since 2010? Right, yeah. You bro, that was 15 years ago. Yeah. Who the fuck are you? And I get that's just what the MOB is. Yeah. Like I've never watched the MLB draft. Nope. I've never even looked at it.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

No, sir.

SPEAKER_05 42:18

Uh they don't even have like people that go to that. Like they're like, college players don't even show up to the MLB draft. No. And high school players don't either, because they're like, if I don't like who I'm drafted from, I'm just gonna go to go back to college.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Right, or even if I am drafted by the team, I want to get drafted by guess what? I'm going to some bum fuck town in Jackson, Mississippi to go play for their double A squad. Yes. So like what how should I be fucking happy?

SPEAKER_05 42:40

Like they're not dude. And the MLB is one of those leagues where, like, if they don't like who they're drafted from, they can also go back to college, finish, and just go be a free agent. Like, so in the MOB, like it does not. Or just get redrafted all altogether. You get redrafted, they give up your rights. There's a lot of guys who will like top players will get drafted out of high school. So they get drafted to be like, nah, I'm gonna go to college.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

College life is better than doing this in some crazy town or cover village.

SPEAKER_05 43:06

Because I don't want to go to Mississippi.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:10

I'm gonna go play at Vanderbilt a couple years, go play at Tennessee for a couple years. We're gonna try this again about two.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

This is a better life than this. Like, what the the fuck, what the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_05 43:17

Yes, but like it's just I don't know. Sorry, I I really hate how the NBA still does. No, no, I totally agree. We were so horrifically bad. Yeah. We're projected a top three pick and ended up at like nine.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Dallas had a like a 1% chance of getting that number one overall pick last year. And they ended up with the pick and they didn't fucking deserve it.

SPEAKER_08 43:35

No.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

They traded away a top five a top ten, top five player in the NBA, and they lucked a lucked their way into getting Cooper Flag. And I just think it's Imagine if he fucking went to Washington. Also, I think it's easier to get the floor.

SPEAKER_05 43:47

He changed their trajectory for fans when you have something to look forward to.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:52

Like I can't imagine I probably would not still be a football fan if we did not draft Rio Burrow back in 2020. Yeah, for sure. Because I was like definitely I was down in the dump. I had no hope. I hadn't really been watching football for like the last two years. So I'm like, damn, we're fucking bad. Uh and then I was like, I think I started wa I was watching college football. Yeah. And I was watching Joe Burrow play. And I think it was the not the national championship. It was the one before that.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Yeah, where he wasn't all that great.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

No, no, no, no. It was a semifinal.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're talking about that year, just not the semifinal. Falling out, dude. Falling out.

SPEAKER_05 44:30

And you went, yeah. That's probably your team's picking this year.

SPEAKER_07 44:33

And I went, oh is that so?

SPEAKER_05 44:38

And then we went out of the championship game. Exactly how it happened. We just watched him ball out here, and I was like.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

That's exactly how it happened.

SPEAKER_05 44:43

Oh, there's a future. And then we drafted him. And then I watched this motherfucker, like second play, just swing a touchdown. Just like 30-yard touchdown. Just fucking Tyler Boyd is who it was too.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:57

And my hopes went. We still only won fucking six games.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

He got hurt that he got hurt very quick that year.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

He did. Uh but it was hope. And then turnaround time. We were in the Super Bowl next year.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:13

I guess crazy turnaround time. And the NBA, fuck you. Yeah, that star may take six years to develop.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Unless unless it's like a blue chip, blue chip guy like a Cooper Flag level where it's like very apparent right away.

SPEAKER_05 45:26

He's dropped three games back to back to back that were 30. Before that, he was kind of mid.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

No, he was doing but again they try to play him at point guard and that's not really what he is in the NBA.

SPEAKER_05 45:35

That's stuff you have to try out with a player. Oh, yeah, for sure. In a way that in the NFL is they either they're they work, they don't, or they're solid.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Right, yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_05 45:44

And that's what it is. But in the NFL, one through five. That's a fucking guarantee. Yeah. That is a 99% of the time.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

Unless it's a quarterback.

SPEAKER_05 45:53

Unless it's a quarterback. But even then.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

Because a lot of things can go wrong.

SPEAKER_05 45:56

True. Even then, typically top flag quarterbacks are good.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Tippy tippy top for sure.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

But it's just I say you're hitting about 80% of the time, and then you have Zach Wilson. Yeah. And Trey Lance. And that's teams shooting way too high.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 46:12

They needed, they needed quarterbacks.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

Or Jamarcus Russell.

SPEAKER_05 46:16

Out of college, he was a baller.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:20

But the signs were there and the Raiders still took it. Yeah. That's their fault. Yeah. If everybody who was else was like, no, we're not doing that. And the Raiders was like, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Yeah, quarterback is a little bit iffy, but otherwise, pretty much any any other position. Oh, you're hitting it. If you're a top five pick, I clip. Like, unless they they there's like some type of like uh they commit crimes. Off the field issue. Like, yeah, like they're they're that dude if they're coming out and being a top five pick, top ten pick.

SPEAKER_05 46:49

Yeah. Like Larry Tuntle. No doubt. Great one. Dude was protected, top five. Video of him with like the mask, smoking.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

He did slip into like this, like the end of the first round, though.

SPEAKER_05 46:58

Yeah, but again, he was still.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

He should have been a top ten pick, though. He should have been top four. He should have been top ten. They let him fall, and then he ended up having a great NFL career.

SPEAKER_05 47:06

Joe Mix is another one.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

That one is a lot more his fault.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

And he was still fire. Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Baller. I'm not gonna put Laramie Tunsil and him in the same situation. Laramie Tunsil was a smoking weed in a gas mask. It was just a bad look. He didn't do it. He wasn't bad.

SPEAKER_05 47:18

Bro, that was egregious. It was like three weeks beforehand. Bro! What the fuck are we doing? Sorry. Y'all good? What are we doing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

And you you took and posted the photo. He didn't do it. It was his girlfriend at the time.

SPEAKER_05 47:37

Real quick, I'm surprised he didn't have a salt.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

I think she was trying to she was trying to extort him for money, and then she just she just leaked it.

SPEAKER_05 47:44

Yeah, uh, real quick. I'm surprised he didn't have a domestic dispute after that. I'm surprised she had an edit poker. Because I would have beat the shit out of her.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Again, it's just he again it that I'm not gonna put him and Joe Mixon in the same category. Joe Mixon straight up almost killed a woman. She could have died. He hit her, all she had to do is hit her head in the wrong thing. She could have died in that restaurant.

SPEAKER_05 48:06

That was on video too.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

Yo.

SPEAKER_05 48:08

Claire is like Eddie's still playing another year at college football.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Still playing another year at Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_05 48:14

Oh my god, that stuff is crazy. Then we drafted him. That boy goes. After he was hurt for three fucking years.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

Yeah, and then he again, he's he was hurt last year. I can't wait for him to get back to the Texans because like they definitely need him.

SPEAKER_05 48:25

If you could tell they weren't a dynamic.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

But he's on the older side.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

I think he's right around 31. That's on the older side. It is. For running back, it is.

SPEAKER_05 48:36

Especially your running back is injured as he is.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Oh, yeah, no doubt. I agree.

SPEAKER_05 48:39

I agree. Um, and there was one more thing. NFL honors. I have the list of the winners. We'll go through. Garrett Miles.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

You didn't have a problem with that, did you? No. There were some people who are really trying to go for Drake Man. I'm like, Drake may they went, they had the easiest schedule throughout the NFL season.

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SPEAKER_05 48:56

I I can literally, I heard somebody say they have the hand of God on them. Like, come on. I promise, I swear it to my name if Bo Nicks was on that field, they were losing that game.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

Oh, yeah, no doubt. They were losing that game. No doubt. They were losing that.

SPEAKER_05 49:11

I cannot stress to you enough how quickly.

SPEAKER_02 49:13

And I hate fucking Bo Nicks.

SPEAKER_05 49:14

I do too.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

I hate Books.

SPEAKER_05 49:15

But holy shit, the backup about Beach all.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

And Bo Knicks wouldn't have front.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

All they needed to do was hit that field goal in the first half and they win that game.

SPEAKER_05 49:24

Um we'll do NFL honors, and then we have the Hall of Fame abductees as well.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

Yeah. Matthew Stafford, MVP, deserved it. Fine. Great. I'm cool. And he announced after that he was going to come back next year in play. So that was very good.

SPEAKER_05 49:36

I don't mind. I think he deserved it.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

Oh, people trying to say, like, oh, we oh, he only has the best, one of the best wide receivers in the NFL in Devontae Adams. And I'm like, well, it doesn't change the fact that he had such a good touchdown to interception ratio.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

Well, actually, this thing is with the MVP, it is a quarterback award, but it's their individual stats. If they have bad stats, they don't win the award. Yeah, no doubt. Um, Miles Garrett won DPOI, of course he was going to. Um CMC won comeback player of the year. He deserved it. JSN won offensive player of the year.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

Okay, Drewski. Drewski announced him for winning it. And Drewski messed up his fucking name. Saying his last name like three different times and said it wrong all three times. Again, if it was a joke, it was not well timed. Again, it it was probably very His last name's hard. It's in Jigba. All you have to do is How do you say it?

SPEAKER_05 50:28

I feel like only you care about this.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Here's the thing. If this is like when it comes to award shows where this is your moment, JSN can get hurt next year and never have a season. Roger Goodell fucked up this nigga's name when he got drafted. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Shut the fuck up. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I say okay. I get the fuck you. Roger Goodell fucked it up three times as well. Okay, I get that. But Jimma. Okay, I get that, but guess what? This is a white man getting a random card. They fucking knew who was gonna win that award because JSN had a pre-recorded message. So all they had to do was go to Drisky and say, hey, this is how you say his fucking name before he goes out there.

SPEAKER_05 51:06

Okay, so is that Druski's fault or their fault?

SPEAKER_02 51:09

That's Druski's fault.

SPEAKER_05 51:10

Bro, it's a no no one says his name right. Even on air, they don't say his name right. And they say his name 75 times a day. And they still say it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Here, I got you.

SPEAKER_05 51:22

Fucking Le'Veon Bell was called Le'Veon his entire career.

unknown 51:29

So I guess on his behalf uh Jackson Smith and Najigba.

SPEAKER_05 51:38

That second time.

SPEAKER_02 51:41

What are we fucking doing? Just go with that!

SPEAKER_05 51:45

It was a joke. That was a joke. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

But again, I don't think you pull that shit if he's not fuck if he's there. He's not there. But that's not a that's again, that's not good. That's hit that's supposed to be that's supposed to be JSN's moment. This nigga's worried about running a Super Bowl. You think he gives a fuck? I don't think he gives a fuck, but I just think in the moment, like that. Do you think he gives a fuck? Just say fucking JSN.

SPEAKER_05 52:04

Do you think he gives a fuck?

SPEAKER_02 52:06

I if I if I know him as much as I think I do, being just being a fan that's watched him for a while, probably not.

SPEAKER_05 52:11

I'm worried about winning a Super Bowl next week.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

Yeah, no doubt. He's gonna go ball out and probably potentially win NFL Super Bowl MVP. Shut the fuck up. I know, I just it annoyed the fuck out of me. Just say his fucking name.

SPEAKER_05 52:24

They knew what only annoyed you. It only annoyed you.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

No, it didn't just annoy me. If you were all over Twitter, it was a lot of people were mad about it.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

How many of them are OSU fans?

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Not many. Bullshit. If it was more NFL fans than anything. Who gives a fuck? When you're giving out awards, that shit fucking matters.

SPEAKER_05 52:42

My nigga, I have watched them let fucking Iceho Speed give out an award. They don't give a fuck. They don't hire these dudes to give out awards and them not make jokes. They hire these dudes because they're funny to give out the awards to be funny. I have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

That was not a pre-planned joke.

SPEAKER_05 53:00

No, that was almost.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

Niggabah? Who'd he said fucking niggabah? That was not preordained by the NFL.

SPEAKER_05 53:06

Say the second time he was joking, the first time, and the third time he was serious. He could not say his last name. He read it, Najiba was the how he said it the first time. Okay. And then the third time, I was like, okay, that was a that was a that was like the actual attempt. The second time he was being funny. The first and third time were actual attempts, and then he was like, fuck it, make a sense.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Okay, maybe it's not all his fault. Just go make sure, hey, this is the guy that's winning it. There's already a pre-recorded video. Just say his fucking name right.

SPEAKER_07 53:37

This nigga's not here. He don't give a fuck. If he gave a fuck, he'd be there. No! I'm the one the Super Bowl rig! I don't give a fuck about the fucking trophy. You know what this nigga's gonna do? Uh thank you.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

He already had the fucking trophy. Well, again, it might it might have just been a pre-recorded case he didn't win it. In case he did. I'm not sure how they already decided that.

SPEAKER_05 54:02

Every other player that could have won it there.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

Yeah, because they were all they were all fucking sitting at home. They're now have a chance to win a trophy.

SPEAKER_05 54:08

Do you know what this nigga's doing? They probably told him like three, like a day, like the day before, hey, you won the award. Here you go. And he was like, cool.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

That he had a like a one-minute video just thinking the normal people usually think, and then he's like, okay, fine, this is great. So obviously he didn't probably care that much about the uh exact rewards. Who gives a fuck? Again, I just say the fucking name right. No one gives a fuck. Do you know what also changes my opinion on a little bit? Is that he says he added that to his name because of his dead grandfather. I don't care. Because his name is actually Jackson Smith. I don't care. I don't know. I just get the fucking name right. That's it. Mike Vrabel wins coach of the year. That's fine. Takes his team from thir from three wins to 14.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

But that's fine.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

Yeah, no, no, no, for sure. I think Kyle Shanahan did the harder job.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

He did the most with the least. So but higher expectations because they're the Niners. Yeah. Because you did you are currently in a Super Bowl after a year turnaround.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 55:06

That's fine. I I don't hate it. I believe Shanahan deserved it more.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Oh Shanahan coached his fucking ass off.

SPEAKER_05 55:12

He did, but that's not a bad He made Mac Jones fucking look good. He made Mac Jones look like a fucking starter. Yeah. Uh to which at one point I was like, that's a miracle with Mac Jones on the field. Um that was a legit question I was throwing to myself when I was watching him play, and I was like, Mac Jones may give y'all a better chance of winning. Uh because you know what he's gonna do, follow directions.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

But he's still fucking Mac Jones. Yes. Um Jason, like we said, won any offensive play of the year.

SPEAKER_05 55:40

Ted Tedderow McMillan won uh rookie player of the year, offensive rookie player of the year.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

Offensive rookie of the year. Then did you see the with the video he had?

SPEAKER_05 55:49

I didn't care.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

You know, he's not black, but apparently they think they're black. He said Nigga on a live screen, live stream a couple days before that. He's not black. He's Samoan. He's from he's from Hawaii. Hispanics say it. I know. No, I'm about who gives a fuck. I I found it more funny than anything. I just found it funny.

SPEAKER_05 56:12

Real quick, he said that around black people. I'm gonna go, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

But yeah, that's because they question whether he is or not.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

Not actually like I know, but again, even he was like, oh, I'm Samoan.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

It does make you ask the question, like he he ain't black. Or are you Dwayne the Rock Johnson can say because he's actually half black.

SPEAKER_05 56:27

Okay, but here's my question: Who would ever confront this six foot five man being like you can't say that? I'm not. Alright, bro, you got it. Yeah, all you gang. Because again, no, for sure. Hispanics do that and say it, and you're kind of like yeah, especially ones from New York. Exactly. And like you just kind of like that's that's okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Mean a black underminica.

SPEAKER_05 56:51

Like it again, there's levels to it, and I can I feel like almost everybody agrees. Basically, anybody else that's not white can say it.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

I don't think I'm there.

SPEAKER_05 57:03

I think I'm damn close.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

I don't think I'm there.

SPEAKER_05 57:06

There's a lot of Samoan people in this world.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

We can't be like carding people to him about it. You're right, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

If I'm Hawaii and somebody says it, says it to me.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

If I know what you are and you say it, like ah, come on, dude. Again. You but if like if I don't know, then I'm not gonna question it.

SPEAKER_05 57:24

Let me ask you a question. Vita Veya says it. I'm not pressing him. What the hell?

SPEAKER_00 57:27

No, no, no, no, no. He'll eat me.

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SPEAKER_05 57:29

But Nate Soul says it. I'm not pressing him either.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 57:32

Real quick, these Samoan dudes, go ahead, bro. Say what you want. They come out the womb, bro. He is six foot four.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

Not yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 57:43

Like like Jordan Mylotta?

SPEAKER_02 57:48

Oh you he's not saying that shit.

SPEAKER_05 57:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's from New Zealand.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

He is from New Zealand, yes.

SPEAKER_05 57:55

You're talking Teddero McMillan is Samoan.

SPEAKER_02 57:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:00

I'm not stopping him.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

Again, he's not as menacing as some of the other people we're talking about here.

SPEAKER_05 58:06

True. But if Vitavia could call hard ER and everything.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

Yeah, for sure. Like, ah, you you had that, homie.

SPEAKER_05 58:12

Give me five minutes. I'm gonna come back and shoot you. And real quick, I may not even get a get a chance to get away. He may hawk me down. Yeah. That's that's the other thing. I guess again, I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 58:24

Again, I just found it more funny than anything. I just found it funny. Um just turn around to the KCMC. With what the injuries he had last year, people were talking about arthritis in both knees. To him doing what he did this year. I think he had a thousand receiving and a thousand rushing.

SPEAKER_05 58:39

He was close to both. He didn't have a thousand.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

I think he did.

SPEAKER_05 58:43

I think he had a thousand rushing, not a thousand receiving. Um he was close to a thousand receiving.

SPEAKER_02 58:49

Christian McCaffrey, I just want to look it up because I thought he did. Hold on, give me a second here. Let's see. This year he had I think in like 1006 rushing. Rushing and receiving. This year he had 1,200 yards rushing. He had nine, he had 984. Receiving, he had he had no 924. Okay. So he was pretty fucking damn close. Very close. Like he earned that shit. I almost want to give him credit for it. Cause I'm like, does he he literally of all the injuries they had all season long, he was the only mainstay the whole fucking season after not playing at all last year?

SPEAKER_05 59:33

They were sacrificing them in the locker room to keep him healthy. I'm telling you. He was they were feeding something their souls to keep CMC healthy. They had to have, there's no way. And they sacrificed George Kittle like three times, they just kept coming back. I don't think two weeks and be like, oh, you gotta sacrifice again? It's alright. I hope that lady.

SPEAKER_02 59:55

I hope not for a few weeks. I hope not for the last I hope not for the last one, because that was a pretty bad Achilles injury. Um but you know, it's just it is what it is. But CMC was a dog this year. It was. I just think so. He definitely deserved player of the year, no questions asked.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

Uh I think his name's something from the Browns. He's a line.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:13

Carson Swesinger, Swessinger.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:15

Yeah, it was the last name. I was gonna say Sweesheniger.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

But I don't think he definitely can't, he does, he cannot, nowhere close to passing that test.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

Yeah, but like what about like is the one dude with uh Noah Canigga? Noah Canigga. Uh and I've always looked at him like you gotta change that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

Look, they have a whole white, all white family, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:37

Like my first thought is when you get married, take your wife's last name.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:40

They just took, they literally just took the opportunity to be able to say it without having to get in trouble for it. Like, that's my last name. I know what am I supposed to do?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:47

Braden goes, I know he has friends going, Kaniga!

SPEAKER_07 1:00:50

And I'm like, I I'm swinging on you. I'm swinging on you. 100% I'm swinging on you.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

They take they took advantage of it, man. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:58

People that take advantage of it. They're taking advantage of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

Alright, so Hall of Famers.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:03

Uh, I got you.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

It is Drew Bruce, Adam Benateri, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke Keekly, and one motherfucker I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:11

Roger Craig.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

Yeah, Roger Craig was the other one.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:16

People were mad about Benateri. Uh no, I was seeing it on Twitter.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

Again, people, again, him going in on first try.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:25

He is he's the greatest kicker of all time.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:27

He is, he does go down as the best kicker of all time. Now, the I think he has more points scored than anybody else.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:32

The biggest thing people were mad about is why is he in, but Belichick's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:39

And I'm like, that's very valid, but you're discrediting Adam Vinateri.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

Oh, we never had a chance. We never had a chance to talk together about the the about that together. I just think it's crazy. I'm not mad about I again, I don't, I don't think it was the right move. But if you're gonna do that to Belichick, then you better fucking do it to Tom.

unknown 1:01:58

Oh, uh.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Because Tom, they he got suspended for deflating footballs, and that that had nothing to fuck do with Robert, with with uh with him. Belichick. Belichick.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:12

There's four other coaches in the Hall of Fame who were all first ballot.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:17

Combined, they don't have as many Super Bowls as Bill Belichick.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:20

Combined, they still have four less Super Bowls than he does.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:23

Uh and you're talking he's done that as a coordinator and a head coach.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:27

He had two as a coordinator, and then he had the six as a head coach.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:31

So he has eight. Combined, those dudes only have six.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:35

So he is the most winning coach of all time.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

So if that's gonna be the hill you're gonna die on when it comes to he cheated, so he needs to wait, make fucking Tom Brady wait too.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:44

The war they would literally none of them would ever make it out of that room.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:48

I but again, but it that but again, they made it out the room for Belichick, and that was even more of a hard.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:53

That's Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:54

And Robert Kraft didn't make it either. So I felt like once Belichick didn't make it, they almost like, hey, we just can't let Robert Krafting because then it's gonna cause even more of an issue. Yeah, Jerry Jones is in. Jerry Jones made the NFL a lot more money than Robert Kraft has.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:11

Jerry Jones is one that has a lot less winning than Robert Kraft.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

True, I totally agree. I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:16

And three and Robert Kraft has what, six, seven?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:19

So but okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

I just think that if you're gonna not do it to Brady. They won't, but that's what that's that's what pisses me off then. You better do it to Brady if you're gonna stand on that hill for Belichick.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:29

They won't. Let's just be honest. It'll be a whole fucking show.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

And that's what pissed me off. That's what pisses me off.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:33

It is I don't personally care. Larry Fitzgerald I knew was gonna make it in. Oh, he deserved it, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:44

Um Jeremiah. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you, I'm fucking with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:54

I'm talking with you, I'm I'm just be honest with you. Jeremiah can be great, but he will never be as good as Larry Fitzgerald. I think that more tackles than drops.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:04

Yeah, that's that's that's an improbable thing. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:07

How many drops do you have in his career? They're talking about Larry Fitzgerald.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

It's uh it's under five, I think, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:13

Three!

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SPEAKER_02 1:04:14

Yeah. Three? Yeah, no doubt. Bro played 17 years. Yeah. And I saw the list. Three! They came out with a list of quarterbacks that he all had, and I'm like, damn. Dude, you look at some of the quarterbacks. Damn, these niggas were trash. There were two. That two that were no worthy Homer and Warner. That's it. Yeah. Eight years apart.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:35

Bro, you play with nobody's.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:38

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

A couple years of Kylo. That's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:40

And he was mid most of those years. There will never be another first ballot wide receiver.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

I'm not gonna go that route because I think there probably will be.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:49

With stats like his, you're talking he was 30-something putting up a thousand yards still. Oh, yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

But I also think that because of the numbers going up with receivers, the the numbers are only gonna get crazier and crazier.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:00

I which I agree, but again, I can he can sit on the fact of I've caught a pass from probably about 19 different quarterbacks. Yeah, no, I totally agree. Yeah, there was one uh I was watching, it was a there's like a picture of all of them. Legit, it was three dudes over like I think it was like 2009. It was three motherfuckers at the one touchdown. I'm like, that's yeah, that's crazy. That is crazy. But again, less than five drops.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

No, in your career? Yeah. No, you're not, you're not wrong. You know, that's there's dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

I've watched uh Jared Judy drop five balls in a game.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

Yeah. I've watched Jamar Chase drop two. And since the NF since the NFL wants to be like try to make stances on how good of people these people are, because TO definitely deserved to be a first ball hall of famer as well, but they stood they stood on their high horse. No, when it comes to when it comes to what he did on the field, because that's that's what that's like that's my whole case, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:56

I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

These people that vote on this ship. Should look at your career on the field. If they try to do any other shit, that's not what they're fucking there for. They're there to look at you, what you did in your on in on the field in your career, and look at what you did on paper and what you what you did on film and be able to say, is that a Hall of Famer or not? And Tio deserved to be that. And when they decided to do that shit with him and say, oh, he wasn't nice to the media. Oh, he may have been a little bit too loud when it comes to the teams he was dealing with. When they decided to use those things as reasons, that's when things started going off the fucking rails. That's not your fucking job to make stances on that shit. Your job is to go in there and look at it, look at their careers and say they deserve to be in or not. If OJ is fucking in the Hall of Fame, then I don't want to hear shit about nobody else when it comes to how good of people they are.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:49

OJ was a dog. And murder to like stick here.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:52

I don't give two fuck. He's still fucking in. And he was still a dog. He's still fucking in. He killed two people. He's still fucking in. I don't want to hear this shit. I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:02

So you must acquit.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:03

I don't want to fucking hear it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:05

Hey, bro, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

He didn't kill two people. Fuck you. You don't fucking believe that. The glove didn't fit. So you must acquit. I don't give two fucks.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:17

He was innocent.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

I just don't want to hear them talk about how good of people they were. I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:22

He's an amazing person.

unknown 1:07:24

Fuck you.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

He was an amazing person.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

I know you're just being funny, but it's pissing me off. Real quick. I'm making a good point.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:31

You're not. He was innocent.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

No, I am making an awesome point. He's not fucking innocent. Like he we all know what he is now. His name, he should not be in the hall of fame. They went to trial. He wasn't convicted.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:44

He was let go.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Okay, if he's in the hall of fame, then nobody needs to talk about what fucking TO did. And nobody needs to talk about what Babelich did. Like again, look at what they fucking did on the feet on did what while they were there. And that's what you're fucking there for. Making social stances about how good of people they were, that shit is a bonus. That is not what you're that's not. That's not what they're there for. You're in the Hall of Fame or not because you were a fucking gladiator. You were the best amongst all the gladiators. That's what you're fucking, that's the job. And when they start making, trying to make social stances and like make a make a statement that they don't want to see cheating and like all that shit. I don't want to fucking hear it. And that that's for the NFL. That's for the MLB. I don't want to hear any of that shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:32

Larry Fitzground has 41 total tackles.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:35

No, I again, Larry Fitzgerald is an awesome ad, and the fact that he's a good person is a fucking bonus. Larry Vidal. It should not take away from what he did on the football field.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

Larry Fitzgerald has a fumble recovery. So that means his quarterback threw an interception. He not only made the tackle, he got the ball back. Sorry. He also has a he has two passing touchdowns. Sorry, I was just like looking at his stats. I was comparing. I took three players. I compared Fitzgerald, Tio, and Chad Johnson, because Chad Johnson also in a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

Tio is in, but they made him waitier when he shouldn't have waited. TO was a first ballot Hall of Famer, dude. There's no question about it. He is a top five wide receiver to ever play the NFL. Yes. He is. It just is.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:21

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

Okay, would you say he's a top ten then?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

Where's Larry Fitzgerald on this list?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

Larry Fitzgerald's in the top ten. No, I'm saying he's in the top 10. Larry Fitzgerald deserved to be a first ballot.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:33

Based on you think he's better or worse than T.O. When it comes to what they were on the field, statistically, he's Larry Fitzgerald far from the field.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:41

Larry Fitzgerald played forever. I just think what they were on the football field, what they were at their peak, Teo was a like he was just a different animal. Larry Fitzgerald played close 20 years. Like that's I'm just saying he played forever, but I'm just saying in like at their peak, T.O. was just a was this on a different level, dude. They both deserve to be first battle hall of famers. That's I'm not making that claim that Larry Fitzgerald does not in comparison. But like that, I was making the TO point when it comes to the not getting them in when they deserve to be in. And so. And like I guess the Bell Chick thing, man, if you're gonna stand on the stand on that soapbox for that one, then you better do it for Top Brady too, but they're not gonna fucking do that. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:32

How different were the stats? Larry Fitzgerald ended up with about 3,000 more receiving yards, about 400 more receptions, and about 25 more touches.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

How many more receiving yards?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:44

About 3,000.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:49

Uh you're talking like uh 1792 compared to compared to 1543.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:05

Okay, that's 2,000 more yards.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:07

No, it's almost three.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:09

You said 1792 to 15.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:13

It's almost three.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:14

With that's almost that's almost two.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:19

Nigga.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:19

Oh, sorry, almost two thousand, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

Nigga.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

So we're getting close to three. Yes. Okay, fine. Yes. 2700. Fine, my bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:40

My bad. We should also talk about how he had 600 more receptions. You wanna start there?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

TO was a much bigger big threat receiver. Not to mention the fact that when Tio started, he was playing with he was playing with Jerry Rice still.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:58

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Um I know the quarterbacks Tio has played with.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:05

Uh-huh. Steve Young, Donovan McNabb. I forget who he played for with the Giants.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:11

Did you just name a couple two top quarterbacks?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:14

Donovan McNabb's not as good as you think. My nigga.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:20

Do you want to pull up who Larry Fitz Larry Fitzgerald would have killed to play with Donovan McNabb?

NFL Honors: Winners And Snubs

SPEAKER_02 1:12:25

Yes, but Larry Fitzgerald did have Kurt Warner. For two years! That's okay. Yeah, fine. Fuck. He did have two years! And he and he did have um Palmer. Palmer for eight years later. Yeah, but he had Palmer for like five, six years.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:42

Yes! After my bad, it wasn't eight. It was like it was like six years. And then he got Palmer. You wanna pull, I could pull up who he played with in those six years. Tell me if you know one. Do you want to look that up, bro?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

What do you want me to look it up?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:05

No, I'll I'll look it up. Don't worry. Uh I will happily look it up, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

Because I didn't want to make this a Larry versus TO thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:30

I just in 2008 and 2009. Larry Fitzgerald was drafted in 04.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:38

You wanna take a guess at who his quarterback was.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:45

For Larry? I have no clue.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:53

Lineheart.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:59

Yeah, one how many yards he had that year. This is their starting quarterback he played the entire year.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:07

How many receiving touchdowns do you say Larry Fitzgerald had?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:10

I didn't say receiving touchdowns.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Okay. Because Teo has like 20 something more.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:16

Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald's just better than he is.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:19

Again, I I just think that they're I maybe right off the degree just agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:24

Nigga, how do you argue statistics? How how can you argue statistics when statistically Larry Fitzgerald is better than he is?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

Okay, fine. So how do you argue with that? I'm just telling I'm talking about the peak. I'm talking about the peak, what they were at the peak of their powers. I think Tio was a way more dynamic receiver. Like, I'm talking about when it comes to physical trait, like when it comes to like, you know, doing the crazy fantastical thing. Like Larry Fitzgerald was like the um He is Larry Fitzgerald second in receiving yards ever.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:06

How can you argue he's not he's not top five? Statistically, he's the second best receiver ever. With the worst quarterback play out of anybody on this list, next to Randy Moss.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:33

He had the one couple years, a few years Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:35

Yes, but he also had the few years where he was on the Vikings, and I literally cannot tell you who his quarterback was.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:41

No, I'm saying, I'm saying other than the few years with the with the Patriots, like I nothing else is really coming to my brain as like awesome quarterback. Maybe did he play with Culpepper?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:50

No. But Jerry Rice played with two different Hall of Fame quarterbacks. No, for sure. Twell Owen played with those same Hall of Fame quarterbacks. So did Randy Moss.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:59

Teo played with one. Teal has a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:07

With who?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:09

Sanfran. I'm pretty sure they won a Super Bowl one of those years.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:15

I actually I don't think he does.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:17

I might be wrong. Because that was the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:20

Does Tio have a Super Bowl ring? Oh dang.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:26

He does, right? With Sanfran.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:28

Yeah, but he was- he wasn't like a main player then. But he has one. He does have one, yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:33

Who is Isaac Bruce? Why does he sound familiar?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:37

No, he never won a Super Bowl, despite playing in one with the Philadelphia Eagles. So no, he never he never did. He never won a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:48

But like dude, I I think Larry Fitzro is truly the second best receiver of all time.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:54

I I'm not saying I was wrong saying Tio wasn't top five. I'd say he's probably four for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:02

I think I'd put Randy Moss above Larry Fitch Joe. I think I just think Randy Moss is a different animal. Like when it comes to what it I just think maybe style receiver me for me, maybe it's just a little different.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:15

Larry Fitzgerald literally has 3,500 more yards than that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:19

Sometimes it's not just about yards, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:22

Larry Fitzgerald. Sometimes how he makes you feel. You play with T B12. Shut the fuck up. Sometimes the how it makes you feel. Now that I've seen who the fuck he Larry Fitzgerald has played with.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:33

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:34

No. No. No, no. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

Who did Randy Moss play with? TB12! He had like three, I was like three years, my boy.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:51

Nigga, it was five. Two, three, four, five. It was five.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

Okay. He had Larry Fitzgerald had five years worth of good with between Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer. He had more than five years with both of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:11

And who else? Between the times when he didn't have that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:16

Who did Randy Moss have outside have outside of outside of Tom Brady? I think Randy Moss played with Dante Culpever. I really do think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:30

And if he did, then it kind of fucks you.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

Maybe. I didn't mean to get into such a long conversation about this. But it kind of it is what it is. I just think they're both top five receivers. So I'm not sure we what we're even arguing. Where you think he he's number two, I just think he might be number three or number four. I think we're I think we're in the same ballpark here. Um on the Raiders?

unknown 1:19:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:04

Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:09

Randy Moss. Let's see here.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:14

Raiders, he played in the Raiders with in 05 and 06.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:25

He played with Minnesota in 98. Who is that with?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:39

Brad Johnson, bro. Randy Mall started his career with a guy named Brad Johnson. Who the fuck is Brad Johnson?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:47

Uh fuck. Uh let's go later.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

Let's go 04 in Minnesota. How we look in here. Maybe it's maybe it's better. Maybe he played a better quarterback then.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:02

Alright. In Oakland, his quarterback was Andrew Walter. He had 1,919 yards. That is the only year of the NFL football he ever played. He was out of the league the next year. And the year before, he did play with um.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:19

He did play with a few years with Dante Culpever. So that was that was a good quarterback.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:24

Again. But Larry Fitzgerald played with fucking Scrubs.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:27

No, I I totally I totally get that. Maybe it's maybe it's like maybe I can compare Larry Fitzgerald to like um for going back to the NBA again. Compare him to um for the Spurs. For the Spurs. Tim Duncan.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:42

A top five player of all time.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:43

Nobody calls him like a top five player of all time.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:46

But he is, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:46

They call him the top five power forward of all time.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:48

He's a top five player of all time.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

I don't want to go down that wrist with you. I don't think people have a totally different thing about it. I don't think he's a top five player of all time. Who the fuck is? Jordan LeBron.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:04

Hakeem. Like, not Hakeem. Um Bill?

unknown 1:21:10

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:12

Bill Russell, bro?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:13

Who's the best player he can play?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:15

What were you bringing Magic Johnson?

unknown 1:21:17

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:19

Magic is his better player. A player?

unknown 1:21:23

No, he's not. Fuck you, no, he's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:27

Yeah, I think he is.

unknown 1:21:28

No, the fuck he's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

I don't want to have that argument. I really don't.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:33

Are you telling me Magic Johnson looked at Chris Bosch, Dwayne Wade, and LeBron James in his prime and beat them niggas? Not only beat them niggas, washed them niggas.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:46

Washed! Magic Johnson changed the fucking game, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:50

By doing what?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:52

Being a guy that was a big point guard at that time. Like he like he goes down with like.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:57

Was this nigga playing with Kareem Old Jabbar?

Hall Of Fame Class And Belichick Debate

SPEAKER_02 1:22:00

That wasn't the same Kareem. It wasn't the same Kareem. Kareem! There's been the top five. Kareem is better than Tim Duncan. Don't do this shit. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:17

Stop it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:21

Nah, gang.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:24

Okay, I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I really don't. We saw the Super Bowl talk about.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:29

Kobe's also not top five.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

No, I don't I don't think so either. Kobe probably deserves being the conversation in the top ten.

unknown 1:22:36

Yeah, but he's 10.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:39

Shaq has to be up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:41

Shaq can have it like seven.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:44

So I'm sitting like there's some real players like I don't think Tim Duncan's top five.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:48

I'm taking I'm taking Tim Duncan over Shaq.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:53

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:02

Are we taking just consistency or peak? Because at the peak, Shaq is like much. I do you value more consistency or peak when you talk about your players? Are you more of a consistency guy or a peak guy? I think this is starting to. I think I start I'm starting to understand where this is coming from. Because you're more of a consist it's starting to feel like you're a consistency guy while I'm talking about a peak.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

I'm gonna be honest, you guys.

unknown 1:23:39

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:40

Okay, fine. Again, I really don't want to go down the NBA ranking players of all time rabbit hole with you. I really don't. We could put that to a later podcast. We can both kind of come with our own lists and we can hash it out then when we don't have football to talk about, but we got to this point because we were talking about Larry Fitzgerald getting to the Hall of Fame, and I brought up TO and you wanted to make try to make a case about where TO and Larry Fitzgerald fit, even though they're both first ballot Hall of Famers.

unknown 1:24:13

I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:15

And not to mention, I do think there may be some NFL players, some wide receivers now that could have a chance. I think Jamar Chase could easily make himself a case to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think that Justin Jefferson can get there.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:29

Three drops.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:31

You're making this all about drops. There's other things other than drops. There's a lot of other things. I I understand and I I very much value it.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:43

Five time NBA champion, fifteen time all NBA, fifteen time all defensive, fucking three times final MVP, fucking two times MVP. Nigga. I'm bro. Bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:06

Bro. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:07

Buddy. Buddy. Um, let's see. Where is it at? Where is it at?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:16

Um, accolades here?

unknown 1:25:22

Good.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:26

Thing bad reaction to Kareem.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:32

Korean dual jabbar.

unknown 1:25:38

It's such a great fucking thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:41

Six NBA championships, six MVPs, nineteen all-stars, fifteen time all-mba, eleven time all defensive. Like all those are h like a lot of those are higher. How many MVPs is does Tim Duncan have? MVPs are given the best player in the NBA.

unknown 1:26:09

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:10

Yes, they are. Well, they're supposed to be. I don't think I heard you say any for Tim Duncan.

unknown 1:26:19

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:20

MVPs. Kareem at six! More NBA championships.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:30

I'm sorry. Give me one second. Let me um calculate. So Karimo Dujabar played in on the Lakers with uh guess who? Magic fucking Johnson for half of his fucking career.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:49

Who was the second best player on the um Spurs? Oh yeah. Manu Fucking Ginobili! Shut the fuck up. Kareem Ojubar played with another all-time player of all time. His more than half his career. Right, right. And then you're talking about Bill Russell. Couldn't beat that nigga not once. Bill Russell has 10 championships.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:11

11. Count 'em right, nigga. I had Bill Russell ahead of him.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

Four of them, he bodied Kareeman. Tim Duncan, the second best player on his team.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:20

You're saying Tim Duncan's better than both of these players? Oh, Kareem and Bill Russell.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:24

Bill Russell played nobody besides Kareem. So yeah, fuck you. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:28

And he's not better than LeBron. He's not better than Jordan. Who? I'm just saying, I'm already I'm already at four. Guaranteed no questions asked.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:36

We are not at four. We're at two max. LeBron and Michael Jeffrey Jordan. That's it. Magic, I could maybe slide you.

unknown 1:27:53

Magic.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:54

Come on.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:54

But Magic?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:56

I'm just saying. It's crazy. This nigga didn't play four years because. He had AIDS. That was crazy to me. That was crazy. From 91 to 95, he did not play because he had AIDS. That was crazy. That's crazy.

unknown 1:28:08

That was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:10

One last question, we'll get to finally get to the Super Bowl. Are you a peak guy or are you a consistency guy?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:15

You have to have both. There has to be a little both.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

But if you had a lean, if you were like doing like a scale, a sliding scale of like 100% one like percentages. What matters more?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:26

It's consistency.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:28

Okay. I would give a slight edge to peak. I would. I would go like 5240. Sorry, no, I'd probably go 60-40 peak.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:41

Sam Donald's the greatest quarterback of all time, then.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:45

No. Again, you have to have your peak has to be longer than just one season.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:50

No, there's niggas that only played one season.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:54

Peyton Hills is the greatest running back to have ever graced the game. That's what you're telling me. Your peak has to be of a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:00

Oh, now there's stipulations. Yeah, of course there is. Fuck you. There's no stipulations of consistency. Either you're consistent or you're not. There's no stipulations.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:08

You could be consistent for two years and then nothing for like the other ten.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:12

Yes, but you are not as good as other players who played longer than you were more consistent than you.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:16

But I'm saying with these players that had peaks of five, six, seven, eight years, maybe close to ten, but like LeBron, we're talking like 13, 14 years worth of consistency and peak being super high, peak has to matter.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:29

How long was TL's peak? Um, because I want you to know you're fucked if Larry's was true longer. Go ahead and pull that up for me, my nigga.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:40

I don't even know how to I don't even know how to truly calculate that peak.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:44

How long is he best and just calculate?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:48

Okay, I gotta go back to football.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:01

Twills, ninety-six to twenty ten. Um, let's go from the year two thousand to like he's still putting up fourteen hundred yards in two thousand seven.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:22

Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:27

Let's go two thousand to two thousand seven. Yardage-wise, fourteen hundred yards, fourteen hundred yards, thirteen hundred, eleven hundred, twelve hundred. He has one year well, yeah, he doesn't he only plays seven games because he gets hurt. And then he has seven hundred yards then. And then two thousand six, two thousand seven, two thousand six, um, twelve hundred yards, two thousand seven, fourteen hundred yards. Touchdowns, we're looking at thirteen, sixteen, thirteen, nine, fourteen, six, thirteen, fifteen, ten.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:03

What what team is he on there?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:05

We're that we're talking San Fran San Fran Philly in Dallas.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:15

Who's in the corner? So McNair? Romo.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

McNair. McNabb. McNabb. Uh yes.

unknown 1:31:30

Who is the corner?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

Um San Fran, you're looking at Jeff Garcia. Why are we doing this? Um, Jeff Garcia. Twenty-five thousand passing yards, a hundred and sixty-one touchdowns, eighty-three interceptions. And this was over ten years.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:11

I'm gonna pull it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:14

Again, this isn't all just like I again, I get what you're saying. I'm not even trying to argue about I still have him as like a top five receiver.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:25

Yeah, the thunder is crazy, man. Um we're just gonna go with that one year right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:31

I've guaranteed three guys ahead of him. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:34

One year. You know who Kevin Kolb is?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:40

Kevin Cobb?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:42

No, Kolb. It's Cobb. Is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

That would have yeah, I think he played Kevin Cobb. Yeah, I think he played for a bunch of teams. Kevin Cobb. Yeah, I've I've heard of him though. I heard him enough to know his last name, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:58

Um this nigga had not had eight interceptions, was a starting quarterback for the Cardinals that entire year. Larry Fitzgriode had 1,500 yards. Uh he had also had nine touchdowns, all of which were thrown to Larry Fitch Yoda. Oh, my bad. Or we can go to the next year where Larry Fitzgerald had 1,300 yards, and this nigga threw 16 interceptions uh with eight touchdowns. Six of which were thrown to Larry Fitch Young.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:27

Um Those were that was Larry Fitzgerald's two years.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:32

I still have Larry Fitchgerald's top five. I just have my number four.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:35

His two highest years! I still Kevin Cobb!

SPEAKER_05 1:33:40

16 16 interceptions and eight touchdowns, and then nine interceptions with uh eight my bet eight interceptions with nine touchdowns, all nine of which were thrown away from gym.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:55

I just value. I have two receivers. Uh Jerry Rice is number one, no doubt, right? Okay, okay. No question about him.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:01

This nigga Peak was wasting on motherfuckers like Kevin Cobb. Kevin Cobb. That's who this nigga's peak was wasting on.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:10

Kevin Fucking Cobb. Okay. I I'm not I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong. I'm not I I totally agree with the fact that he had the dismount.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:20

The next year, it's funny, the next year in 2012, three different motherfuckers popped up for a passer. Yeah. None of which graced a thousand yards. But Larry graced 13.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:32

So you're talking three different motherfuckers threw me a touchdown and had more receiving yards than all of them. I have received yards. Floor is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:42

Floor's crazy when he played with nobody ass niggas for the entire from when he was like 25 to when he was 30 is right when your biggest peak is. You are at your physical prime.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:56

Not a single motherfucker worth a while. Do him the ball.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:02

Kevin Cobb was the best. And then this nigga did not play another down in the NFL after his stint with Arizona. He wasn't even a backup.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:11

He had Kurt Warner during his prime.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:16

Those were two years, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:35:18

My nigga, when he was drafted. Kurt Warner was his quarterback when he was drafted. Right. In 04.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:28

Kurt Warner left. He had Kurt Warner for more than two years. He had Kurt Warner for four.

Larry Fitzgerald, T.O., And WR Greatness

SPEAKER_07 1:35:33

Kurt Warner left, came back in 08, and went to the Super Bowl in 09. So he had Kurt Warner twice? And Kevin Cobb. Kevin Cobb. My nigga.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:44

And he had Carson Palmer.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:46

For like three years.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:48

Carson was there longer than three years.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:50

That might- that's probably true.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:51

Carson, he's definitely there longer than three years. Carson Palmer is definitely there longer than three years.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:56

Hold on. I have it here. I have it here. Hey, hey, I have it here. Okay. Fuck out of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:02

I'm searching something else.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:04

One, two, no. No, he was not. 2017, 2016, 2015, you motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:11

And 2014. He played six games in 2014 with Arizona.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:18

And 2013.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:19

I didn't say it one. My fault.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:23

Again.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:24

That's a man. Nobody's.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:33

You said he had he had how many years with with with uh Warner? You said four, five? He had five with Warner, and he had five with Arizona. That's ten years of having Kurt Warner being a Hall of Famer guy, and Carson Palmer, he is a Hall of Fame talent, won't end up being a Hall of Fame guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:57

Cobb.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:58

Liner was number one overall pick. I'm not gonna try to argue for Liner. Rosen. This nigga had a jump Rosen. He had ass, but I'm saying he also had good quarterbacks, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:10

You're trying to make it sound like he had to get to the fucking level of what T.O.

unknown 1:37:15

did.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:17

He had all these guys. Palmer was 35.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:21

Warner was 40.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:24

Warner's still an all one of the stat-wise, maybe not, but he's still like an all-time great quarterback. And Carson Palmer will go down as one of the more not as an all-time great because he didn't do winning enough in Cincinnati, obviously, as you knew. But when it came to a talent, he's like a No, he was a He's he's a dude. Like he's a legit guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:44

He was phenomenal. He is what Joe Burrow will be in next year if this nigga, if we don't start winning. History repeats itself. This shit's about to repeat. I'm just uh I I knew a dude. I'm sorry, I knew an older guy I used to work with. Yeah. When Joe Burrow wore number nine and they drafted him, the dude literally sat in the shop. Like he this is like history's gonna repeat itself. He's like, all this shit's gonna happen again, happy Palmer's gonna happen with Burrow. It's all gonna go downhill so fast. Uh and it is man, that's crazy how shit lines up. Yeah, no, no doubt. But again, Fitzgerald played with so many years of fucking knowledge.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:22

I I totally I totally agree.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:25

Jerry Rice, I probably would have been that good no matter where the fucking.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:28

Yeah, Jerry J. It didn't matter. Jerry just it just so happened. He's undisputed. Jerry Rice is just undisputed.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:33

No one can argue he, yes, he had a fantastic quarterback play, but there's very few receivers I know that can seamlessly go from one dude to another dude and then work had the same kind of work ethic all the time. There's stories about the day after they won the Super Bowl, he's back at the facility. Yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:53

Like and then had to have Jerry Rice has longevity.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:59

You're telling me he was how old with Seattle?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:03

Yeah. You're telling me he was with I think he played 20 years worth of football.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:07

Like, he he was 40 with Seattle. I think he's 41 with Seattle. He's the oldest player to catch a touchdown. Um and he put up a thousand yards. And he had two years in Oakland where he put up a thousand yards. He's 30 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:17

Yeah. Um he's undisputed. Like, there's no question about him.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:21

I can't argue that. But I can argue you played with probably two of the best quarterbacks ever. No one goes from one Hall of Famer to switch to another dude for him to also be a Hall of Famer. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:35

True.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:35

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:37

But everybody he had after that was all ass.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:39

True. But again, that I think I'm not gonna argue that. You were good everywhere. Yeah. I can't fight you on that. You were 41. I think he was just shy of a thousand at 41. Yeah in Seattle. You put up like 900 and something yards.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:55

I don't mean I don't know anybody who's doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:58

Yeah, no question. Again.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:59

He played with I think with Rich Cannon. Who wasn't a bad quarterback.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:04

Fine. Fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:05

But he's fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:06

Yeah, no question. But again, I just I don't personally You value the consistency of Flayer Fritz Gerald. I value a little bit more. It's not even that. It's about the style of receiver. I just like the guys that can make the huge big plays and seeing Randy Moss do what he did throughout his NFL career, being the big strider and being able to head top people all day long. And T.O. doing exactly the same thing. Maybe that captures my imagination a little bit more to where it gets me. Gets me in that way.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:36

I didn't see either of those two play for very long.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:38

I've honestly when it becomes Randy Moss, I watched his years in New England, but other than that, nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:43

I didn't catch any of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:45

TO actually watching him play.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:48

You would have had to have catch him on the Bengals.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:50

Bangles, yes. Bangles, yes. And Eagles. I got I got the Eagles and Cowboys. But again, I got because I definitely remember him going and give getting on the star. Yeah, I think I remember that.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:03

But again, I got none of that. I got Larry Fitzgerald, it's like the heights and like the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:08

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:11

And that they could not be stopped.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:13

Yeah, no question. I totally agree. So again Until they got to the Super Bowl, of course.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:18

That was a penalty. That was a penalty.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:20

It doesn't for what? James Harrison? The interception that he took all the way back to the fucking house? No, there was a penalty in that play. Thank you. I see that. You're not gonna try to fucking take that away from James Harrison. He took that all the way back to over a hundred yards. The longest interception in the fucking Super Bowl history. You're not gonna fucking take that. You're not gonna take that shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:40

It was in the corner, but you did the last pass. Yeah. I can give you that. That was a touchdown.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:46

100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:47

Fucking amazing throw, just as good in an amazing catch, too.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:50

Interception, though. Fuck you. That was they're the penalty.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:54

Fuck you, they're the penalty. The longest Nobody can fucking catch James Harrison.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:58

Okay, fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:59

Longest interception return of all fucking time. In the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:03

James Harrison is many things. He's not fast. But fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:07

Longest interception return for touchdowns, Super Bowl history. Don't do this to me. Don't fucking I don't want to do this.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:15

Hey, it's too late now.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:17

Too late. Can't take it back.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:19

Like I hate when people do that shit. You see, like uh it was the it was a new angle of the throw to fucking the player on the bills saying, oh, he had receptive.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:27

Oh yeah, like they try they try to like rehash it, and I'm like Again, the first couple days you want to be mad about it, cool. But like we can't we can't be like five, we can't even like two weeks later, five years later, and still try to rehash it shit. And I'm like, come on, dude.

unknown 1:42:40

Josh Allen still played like dog shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:42

Josh Allen and he owned it himself.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:44

I know, but like y'all are y'all are like y'all are.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:46

If Josh Allen ain't fucking blaming that play, then y'all don't have no fucking right to either.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:50

There's they're citing that one play as the reason it wasn't. There wasn't nine other plays that could have helped. Yeah, no question. So I'm like, y'all are just y'all are picking one thing to be upset.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:00

It was just it's it's the Josh Allen apologists that could take it too far. The Broncos aren't in the pla aren't in the playoffs anymore either.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:06

So who cares?

SPEAKER_02 1:43:06

Yeah, exactly. They're both at home. Cry. No question. Um do I think that Buffalo could have beat New England if they that game would have been in New England? Josh Allen's not hurt. But Josh Allen did have again, he would have played through that shit. It didn't fucking matter. And Drake May was playing like ass. He's played like ass all postseason, and nobody wants to talk about that shit. He's again, he's played against great defenses, but he has looked like he's played against great defenses. He had three great three touchdown throws in when it came to the Houston game. Outside of that, he's played like fucking ass. So nobody wants to talk about that shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:41

I understand. Everybody's like, oh, if they can get after Sam Donald, they can make him scared. I'm like, they have probably one of the better old lines in the NFL right now. One of the better old lines. I think they know that if they if they let a team get to Sam Donald, it'll freak him out.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:51

And guess what? You're not gonna get after him with four, so you're gonna have to send blitzes. And guess what? JSN's gonna cook whoever's gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:57

Because you're gonna have to leave him either one-on-one or one-on-one with the safety, and then you leave Cooper Cup open to the other side, who, real quick, fire number two. Cooper Cup has been balling.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:06

I think Devontae Adams is still probably the best number two in the NFL. No, T. Higgins, best number two. Oh, Devontae Adams. Devontae Adams is like right there, though.

unknown 1:44:15

T.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:16

Higgins is way more dynamic. And he's still in his prime of his career.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:19

I think that's what I lean towards more. T. Higgins is younger. Uh I love watching T. Higgins.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:25

But Devontae Adams is like a top, he's like top five in touchdown catch this year. And there was a point he was leading the league in touchdown catch before he got hurt.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:32

Cooper Cup is a fire number two.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:33

Fire fire number two. Yes. Um I only mention the Devontae Adams thing because I'm like, nobody's gonna tell me that they were wrong for giving up Cooper Cup and getting fucking Devontae Adams. Nobody's gonna fucking tell me they made a wrong decision.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:46

No, no, I agree with you the whole way on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:48

Some people like to want to go there, and I'm like, come on, dude. It's Devontae fucking Adams.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:52

They got a receiver who's more of a big play threat, and he can do a little more. Um he's a little bigger body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:01

But I And it's obviously athleticism for Cooper Cup went downhill.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:06

And that's fine. They had two small receivers, Cooper Cup and Devontae Adams. And um Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua. So they picked up Devontae Adams just for Seattle to be like, I'm gonna copy that with their big body receiver, and they just picked up a smaller receiver. They're running the same system, yeah, but a different player is their number one. Like it's the same thing. It's the same Seattle used Green Bay used to do it with Randall Cobb and Devontae Adams. Yeah. Smaller receiver, big body receiver.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:33

Yeah. It's really simple.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:34

Yeah. Um, but very good number two. Seattle bodies their shit, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:42

Do you want to get to that? We haven't we haven't talked about Super Bowl whatsoever. I got nothing else to talk about when it comes to Hall of Fame and all that.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:48

No, uh, Luke Keekly made it in.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:50

Oh, Luke Keekly, awesome. Another peak guy. He didn't play that long. Yes. But at his peak, he was a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:55

But the here's the thing is he was at his peak the entire year. Oh, his whole his whole career, yeah. So that's where it he was at his peak and consistent. Yeah. And after like his ninth concussion, he was like, I think I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:08

Yeah, for good reason. Yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:10

Yeah, but again, that's what he's one of those players where I think it's a perfect of everything. Yeah, he probably was one of the best defensive players of all time. Yeah. He played eight years. Yeah. But during that time, he was the best defensive player at the time.

unknown 1:46:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:24

No question. No question. No question. He was one of those players where And he played for an ass franchise, so like the winning part was the only part he was going to be basically.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:30

He was also one of those guys where I m most people believe he should be a first ballot Hall of Famer, but you only Was his was this his first year on the ballot?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:38

It was his first ballot? Yeah. Oh dang.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:39

But again, most people also believe that, hey, if you don't make it this year, I think it's also okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:46

Oh yeah, for sure. Nobody was gonna ride it.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:48

Because you didn't play long enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even if you're not a first ballot, you're a guaranteed.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:52

And I do think it'll make it harder now, because think about it. Now next year, people are gonna be freaking out. So now it's gonna be Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady getting it all at once. And that's gonna take up three spots. So it's gonna number spots? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:06

How many spots?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:07

I think you're only allowed to have like six per year or something. A max. Who's up for it? I think there's a max.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:13

Now the question is who didn't make it this year and who's up for it next year?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:16

Max uh max amount of famers per year.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:29

In the Pro Football Hall of Fame, there's a maximum of nine. Five modern era, three seniors, and one contributor. So they have them spaced out too to where like you have to Hey, let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:41

It's gonna be Tom Brady, Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, and Rob Krakowski.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:47

They're gonna let him in too at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:48

And Big Ben's gonna have to get in too. Big Ben's gonna get in on the first ballot.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:56

He deserves to be in the first ballot.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:58

He has a two-time Super Bowl champion.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:02

Oh, dude. Fucking Adrian Peterson's up there too. Yeah. And he probably should make it first ballot.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:10

And it kind of splits out because the contributor will be Robert Kraft, because he didn't get in this year. He should be in next year. The seniors will be Belichick, should be in one of the three seniors. So now you're talking about the five modern era, and those are gonna be taken up by Tom Brady, Gronkowski, Rothesburger, Rothesburger.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:29

And you have two more spots. Eli's not fucking getting it. You have three more spots, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:33

Yeah, and you have three more spots. Okay. No, two more spots. Yes. Five modern era, so you have two more spots after those three.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:39

I'm not gonna cap, but you I don't really the motherfuckers that are gonna be up for next year. Probably Adrian Peterson. So that's one. But like Cam Newton's not making the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:53

I'm not saying he should never. He definitely should. But like I don't think anybody's gonna be complaining if he doesn't make a first ballot or even second ballot. If he waits, if he waits again, you have 25 years to get in. Fuck. Yeah, 25 years total to get in. If you don't get in within 20, because I I think after like 10 years of being up for the ballot, then you go on to the senior ballot. But like, sorry, yeah, the seniors. So like if you don't get in within 25 years, like come on, bro. Like you don't deserve to be in.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:23

Antonio Brown.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:25

No, he's not first ballot.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:27

I think they may make him wait for a while.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:29

Again, that's another guy they're gonna try to make a statement on. And I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:33

Uh Andrew Whitworth. He should probably be a first battle fan.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:38

But since he's a he does have a Super Bowl rank.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:41

And he was he's also he was one of those guys that was on ass team and very good. He was on the Bengals for a very long fucking time. He was very good. You know, but he's a tackle, so he's gonna be a second battle all fan.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:51

Alex Mack, the really good center.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:53

Yeah. Again, the offense linemen are a little bit weird, unless you are like one of those dudes that like crazy accolades or you're like, no. As like the best year position of like your whole career, you're not getting in the first ballot.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:05

He is, but it's that and he was always on the field.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:08

He was.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:08

He was that's a big thing. And he that in uh we were talking about off on and off the field. He's a two-time Walter Payton one of the year.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:15

Oh yeah. That that stuff does it. It should be a those things should be bonuses. Of like a not demerits.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:22

Yes. Yes. And then like Richard Sermons up there. That should be treated. That should be treated like tiebreakers. Rel Sugg is up there next year.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:29

He shouldn't be a first spell.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:31

Eric uh Weddle's up there. Um not first bell. Richard Sermon's up there.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:36

Nope. Not that he should never get in, but no.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:40

Not this time. I actually don't think Sherman was ever that good of a DB. I think he benefited a really good defensive team.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:46

He had like three years of like really good play.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:49

Again, but I think he benefited on that defense was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:53

I totally agree, but I also think that having that corner, and plus they played a lot of zone, so like it wasn't like he was like doing a lot of one-on-one type of things. He wasn't doing anything. So like that's where I'm not I'm just again, he was when you look at him on the field. I understand. Is he a Hall of Famer or not? He's a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:09

Yes, but I with DB's I base more of hey, what system were they running? No, like Darrell, they all the fucking Jets did when Darrell Reeves was playing was run man.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:22

Yeah, you're yeah, you have that side, homie.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:23

So everybody was on an island.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:25

They they told Darrell Reeves to be on island. Hey, guess what? They told real Darrell Reeves, you take their best receiver, and then we'll handle everything else.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:33

Yes. And you're talking there, I don't know what year it was, but it was the same year OCS Niko played him. See, I'm about to give you some fucking credit. The only person that had more than like 20 yards on him was Troves. Uh but like he Revis Island was a thing. Oh no, it was a real thing. Yeah, your number one receiver is not getting more together.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:53

Yeah, no, yeah, he's literally locked everybody down. Like no questions asked.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:57

That's what he wasn't an interception corner. He wasn't a he'll guilty, he'll get them.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:02

He wasn't like he wasn't allergic to them. No. But it's just they got to a point where they weren't even throwing his way nowhere.

Revis Island, Calvin, And Matchups

SPEAKER_05 1:52:06

You're talking this motherfucker's gonna end up with seven deflections. Yeah. Of that ball is not even touching your receiver's hands. Yeah. Or you're there's one play specifically. I don't know who it was to. Umre Johnson, I think, is who it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:23

Another great receiver.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:26

He wasn't a first, he was up for the Hall of Fame. He didn't make it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:29

Yeah, he's but I think he shouldn't. Oh, he'll get in. He will get in.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:33

Uh that was the only receiver that had. He had four, he had 60 and 40. Um but Andre Johnson was a big ass receiver. Oh, yeah, no question. I think Johnson was probably the biggest receiver he faced. Um sorry, it was a podcast he was talking about. He was like, Andre Johnson was the hardest to guard. Uh yeah, I totally. And he was like, it he was like, it he said it was because it felt like Andre Johnson was trying to run through my face. He was like, there was times where I could have stuffed him, and Andre Johnson's already touching me before I could even get to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:00

I guess we're not maybe mentioning Calvin, because Calvin's just is just a given, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:53:03

He's already Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:04

Huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:53:05

He's already Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:06

Oh, he is. I'm talking about when it comes to like the hardest to guard. I'm like, if he had to face Calvin, they probably didn't face each other a lot because Calvin was in the NFC.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:14

They probably only face each other once. A few times.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:18

He saw a lot more of Andre Johnson than he ever saw of Calvin. Because Calvin spent his whole career in the NFC and Daryl. No, Calvin Johnson was in the NFC. And Darrell Reeves is in the AFC the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:29

Oh, my bad. I thought you were just talking about Andre Johnson. Yeah, he probably he saw Andre Johnson a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:33

Oh, Andre, yeah, he spent most of his career with the Texans.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:35

He probably saw them five.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:36

A lot more. A lot more. Even probably more than that.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:39

Most likely.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:40

So, yeah. But I was just mentioned Calvin because Calvin is like literally Andre Johnson on serious. Um We can't have any more disagreements here. We have to get to the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:52

No, I don't disagree with you. I would say more like Andre Johnson is Calvin Johnson, but healthy.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:00

Andre Johnson had a longer career, but Calvin was.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:02

He did, and I think it's because how big Calvin Johnson was.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:06

I'm just saying at their peaks, but we all we all know Calvin Johnson was like. He was the double, like double and triple teams weren't enough for Calvin Johnson.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:14

I just think he was six foot five.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:15

And he was still fast too. That's what fucking his problem is he was six foot five.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:20

Literally freak of nature. That motherfucker ran a four or three.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:23

He was freak of nature of all freak. Like he made freaks of nature look normal.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:28

Like that's he's like, come on, man. Man, the Detroit Lions have fucked up some real crazy careers that they would just treat their players right. Calvin?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:38

I don't even think they're the worst team in sports ever to fuck up careers. You ever heard about this team called the Angels? You ever they had two top ten players that most people think of all time, and they fucked it.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:50

Oh, one last one last thing. My our brother was watching some type of YouTuber do this, and he was talking about the worst franchises. And this dude tried to make a claim that the Arizona Cardinals was the worst of all sports teams. Try to make the case that the Arizona Cardinals was the worst franchise in sports. No. Especially when he had reasons he didn't include the Lions. And he didn't include the fucking Browns. Because the dude messed up and didn't realize the Browns have been two different teams. So the stats he used for the Browns saying, oh, they've won championships before. That's the fucking Ravens. That's the Baltimore.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:31

No, it doesn't count. That's the Ravens, you fucker.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:34

That doesn't count.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:35

That's the Ravens now.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:36

He tried to use that for the Browns.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:38

The Browns from fucking 2000 and now.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:42

I still don't think they're the worst. I would beg to differ it's the athletics.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:49

I can get behind that. I can get behind that.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:51

Oh, no, it is the Cincinnati Reds. That is the worst baseball team of all time.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:59

They didn't have the big red machine, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:00

True. That big that would that was years they were good from like in the 90s, where they lost three World Series in a row.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:09

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:10

Huh? Was it the 80s or 90s? 80s. It was 80s. It's the 80s further. But again, they lost three World Series. Bat to back to back.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:18

But ever since then, they've been literally able to dog.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:21

Before then, they were abysmal. Yeah. That's probably. I'd say it's one of the baseball teams because they're so much older.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:28

Yeah, because there's a lot more history behind how bad some of these teams are.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:31

Like the Reds have existed forever.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:33

But like all the NFL teams, you go the fucking Cardinals. Not even fucking close.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:37

Yeah, no, it's not even crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:38

Not even fucking close. Cardinals aren't even close to the worst one.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:41

You're talking like, especially because some of these teams ain't existed very fucking long. Right. Like the Pans only existed since what? 05? Like they're new.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:48

The fucking Jags?

SPEAKER_05 1:56:49

Dude, the Jags are the one. They've only existed since like 2007. So I'm just sitting here, like, like there's some of these teams that aren't even 30 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:57

So like I'm just sitting here like there's like some there's a lot of teams that go.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:00

The Jags might be younger than me.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:01

Than what?

SPEAKER_05 1:57:02

Than me.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:04

Jags are not that young. I think the Jags were around before the before the Browns. I'm pretty certain the Jags been around longer than the Browns. The new Browns, not old Browns. Because again, that guy made that dis didn't make that distinction. He tried to put it all in one. And I'm like, no, that's the fucking Ravens. Which is why I had to tell our younger brother, like, that's the case.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:24

Like the Damn, they introduced both the Panthers and Jaguars in the same season.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:30

What was that? Like somewhere in the mid-early 90s?

SPEAKER_00 1:57:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:34

Okay, so yeah, so we both agree there's nowhere near the fucking Cardinals. Cardinals not even close to the worst NFL franchise. They've been to a Super Bowl. Recent like in the last 20 years, they've been to a Super Bowl.

unknown 1:57:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:51

Like, come on, bro. Like, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. Like, we and not obviously we're not even into like hockey, so like we can't even be close to that. So, like, when it comes like MLB franchise is probably gonna be up there because they had a lot more lot more years of losing. So I'm just sitting there like, man, the freaking Cardinals, the and I I even was so confused. I'm like, are you talking about the St. Louis Cardinals? But like even the St. Louis Cardinals had some years where they were doing well in the early 2000s.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:23

Charlotte, dude. God damn, that's a bad team.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:25

The Hornets and Bobcats? Are we talking about basketball? Are you talking about basketball?

SPEAKER_05 1:58:29

Yeah, the Charlotte. You fucking that's that's two different teams.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:35

It is, yes. Yes, you're not right. With Jordan starting the franchise.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:43

Memphis. Back when they were in Vancouver.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:47

Yeah, I'm just saying like there's a lot of lot of other teams to think about, and I'm just sitting like the Cardinals nowhere clean nowhere near close to that. Um it is hard. It is hard.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:58

Basketball's probably not the one.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:00

These these are ideas we should probably write down and actually go and do I can say almost every team has a championship.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:08

Damn near. They probably have closer to like three or four teams don't have to.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:13

But I think the basketball they they have they have a lot of the same issue with the NFL. They have a lot of newer teams that don't have the history to like be able to like down them in that way. To be able to like use it as a negative, like, oh, you haven't won a championship in like 20 years you've been around. So I just feel like there's a little bit of like you have to give them a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of like a uh reprieve, I guess, to a certain degree.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:40

I don't know. I'm not I'm not giving the Nets shit. They've been around forever.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:42

But yeah, we should probably talk about some of these ideas when we're you know off season with no football around, we have other things to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:48

Hold on, time out. I am not giving the Nets any credit. They have been around for fucking ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:53

Oh, that's been around for a long time, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:56

Now the rest of these teams. Nope. No, I'm not giving the Suns shit either.

Global Games And Travel Toll

SPEAKER_02 2:00:01

Suns have been around for a while, too. They did, but they they did make a couple NBA finals. They didn't make two, three. So like, so at least but at least they got there. There's a lot of teams that didn't even get there when they had great players.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:15

The Pelicans, Timber, Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Clippers. Those three, the Clippers were not getting a fucking pass for me. Oh, yeah, no doubt. Y'all motherfuckers were out there doing goddamn 360 windmilles. Now I can't say Lob City every single time they made the playoff, one of the three of them got injured.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:34

True, but I'm still I'm saying they still had like they still had those years where they had some really awesome players.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:39

But again, the Clippers are what, 30 years old? Right, yeah. I know the the Grizzlies literally are like 15, 20 years old. Because they were in Vancouver for like five years and like shit, no one's here. Yeah. There's no one here. Let's go to a small another small market. I never understood that.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:59

Hey, so again, when you when you're going from different countries, because obviously when the whole team, the whole um when it's all based in America and you're going from from Canada, I feel like it makes everything that much more difficult. By the way, I know we're I'm trying to get into basketball. I mean, trying to get into football. Did you hear that they were having a game in Australia next year?

SPEAKER_06 2:01:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:21

Do you want to know the two teams that are fucking going to Australia? What are the worst teams you could think of to have to go to Australia? You're thinking about time zone-wise.

unknown 2:01:31

Time zone-wise?

SPEAKER_02 2:01:32

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:33

Isn't it a West Coast team?

SPEAKER_02 2:01:35

Uh-huh. Both of them. The Rams and the Niners. That's a 19-hour fucking flight. We're fucked. Like, that's that's fucked.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:50

That should be a good game.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:52

Yeah, but you're gonna be asking the like that's gonna fuck their seasons over next year. Do you know how fucked their sleep schedule is gonna be when they have to like go and do that?

SPEAKER_03 2:02:00

Both of us should be losing the next week.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:01

That's literally the other side of the fucking world.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:03

Yeah, they're both losing the next week.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:05

Literally, other side of the fucking world that you're making them go to to play that game.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:09

Fuck, because they would they wouldn't come across to the US, they would go that way toward Japan. So they'd be going, they'd be making like a stop in Hawaii, going over, making like another stop in China, and then going over, making another stop in fucking like that's so they would they'd probably be making three stops before they even go to Australia.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:30

19 fucking hours.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:32

19 hour time to 19 hour flight. Like, that's insane.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:37

You know, it's maybe they they'll probably only make one stop.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:40

Again, they probably have enough money, they can probably do it all in one maybe. No way, no way. Not all the way in one.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:45

No, so they're making they're making one stop. One stop. But you're talking by the time you make that one stop, you're already in a whole fucking different time zone.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:52

They could go the other way, they could go east and stop on the east coast. It would not and then do a one big flight from there.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:59

Yeah, but even then, if you're going all the way across, it's still eight hours.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:02

It's still longer, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:03

So you might as well just go that way eight hours and stop in like a China, India, Japan.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:08

They're having like six games in the overseas next year, or is it nine? But yeah, they the whole that one being Australia is an absolute like I get it, football's big there. It really is.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:19

We're playing in the Bengals are overseas next season.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:22

Yeah, they're like there's like two, there's three games in London. There's like Sao Paulo again, Mexico City, and then I think that's ours. I think we're in Mexico. There's a game in Germany.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:32

We're either the game in Mexico City or the game in Germany.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:35

But I'm just like, the the I just I get it. It's a big market because they all like football. And I totally understand, but I'm just like, you're gonna fuck over those two teams for weeks. They're 100% losing their next game. Maybe their next two. Even if you give them a bye week, there's they're gonna have two more weeks of like them, their sleep schedules being ass.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:56

I think most teams that when they come back from overseas, they usually get smacked the week after.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:01

Usually they usually get a buy before how they've usually done it. They've either done a bye before the game so they can go out early and get their sleep schedules right, or a buy after.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:10

Who'd they fuck they fucked somebody this year? I think it was the Jaguars, where they went and played in London.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:14

Well, the Jags got to be there for two for a few weeks, though. Like they were there for multiple weeks in a row. Well, at least they got to go there and like get their sleep schedules right. And that's only like that's still only a few hour difference.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:24

That true, but I it was I don't I think it was who did the Jaguars play the first time.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:28

I think one of those games they played the Patriots.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:31

No, it wasn't them. It was somebody else. I know they played somebody, I think they played on a Thursday night. And then that the other team had to play again that Monday.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:42

The 2025 schedule. They did Where was the game? Everbank was it's not Everbank, nope. Wrong one. How much do you think that Overseas just take away? Wembley, so London. Rams and Maybe it was the Break. Everbank, Everbank. I thought they played two games in London, didn't they?

SPEAKER_05 2:05:10

I'm pretty sure they did. I remember them staying there for a week.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:16

Or was it because they had a bye week after? No.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:20

No, they they definitely played two games in London. You're right. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:25

It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:27

Uh go on to your last thing.

Super Bowl Preview: Seahawks vs Patriots

SPEAKER_02 2:05:29

Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, fuck. That's it. Like, that's the last thing. We honestly I thought this was gonna be a shorter pod, but we're two hours.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:35

It's never a shorter pod.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:37

It's never, but I'm like, I literally thought stop saying that before pod. I didn't say that today. I really did. I didn't actually say that before the podcast. Again, I kind of expect to be I I haven't been on a pod in two weeks. It's a lot of a lot of shit to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:48

It was snow, it was one of the reasons.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:50

It was snow, and then I was sick.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:52

Yeah. Um, Super Bowl. It's happening on Sunday. Got the two most unlikeliest teams that ever thought were going to make the gonna make the Super Bowl this year. I think Sam Darnold is. Never mind. Both of these teams have had the very opposite paths to get here. The Patriots had the easiest schedule in the NFL throughout the regular season. The Seahawks, I think, had the hardest schedule throughout the NFL this season. Playoff-wise, Seattle, I mean, Seattle had a little bit easier of a draw. They did have to face the Rams. And then you have the Patriots who had who kind of like kind of worked their way up by facing some really good defenses, but the offenses they played were all ass. Um, and had their worst days possible with CJ Stroud and all of that, where he had the worst game he's ever played as a pro. So bad he's cut off his dreads, by the way. CJ has now cut off his dreads. He's back looking like how he looked in high school. Um, which kind of makes sense when guys go through stuff like that. Usually dreads come off as like one of the first things.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:53

Um dreads look like turds.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:58

Well, they're gone now, so it's all it's all good. Um, but I'm just sitting here, and then you come into the get into the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:03

CJ has some big ass lips.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:06

Yeah. We can't be black dudes. Talk about other black dudes having big lips. We don't have huge lips. We don't, but we're we're light skinned.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:14

And it's not as bad as Travis Hunter.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:16

Oh, Travis Hunter's is bad.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:18

He's like Quins on Jockey.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:21

Our our younger brother calls them both mu calls them both gorillas. I called uh Quinson Junkins a prayer.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:30

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:32

Bro!

SPEAKER_07 2:07:33

They're lips! It's crazy!

SPEAKER_02 2:07:35

It's bad, it's bad, it's not good. So like they're lip to face. Cliff Kingsbury is going to McVeigh's staff to be the OC.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:43

It's crazy, bro. Like, he's like like Travis Hunter's face is like 40% lips, and then like 25% teeth.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:52

Uh, okay, Super Bowl. Talk about the paths. You have two very young coaches, obviously not young, one very young in his NFL NFL coaching career. You have Mike Vrabel, who's been a coach for a long time, um, lost a job in Tennessee, took a couple years, was he one year or two years off? One year, one year. Came back with the Patriots, took over a three, three loss, through a three-win team to get them all the way to the Super Bowl. Drake May, a young quarterback, Sam Darnold, an old quarterback, Drake Mae looking like a superstar, young phenom. Sam Darnold has been through a lot of shit, had a lot of years. I think he's like eight or nine years in now, has been through a lot, had a lot of down years, but the last couple years he's he's really like found his own. He had a couple bad games to end the year last year with Minnesota. Um, heck, Justin Jefferson would love for him to still be in Minnesota. Kill to be in Minnesota. Um, but then he's like this year has really found a home in Sam in Seattle. They've really they've brought him in. He's great. Him and JSN have a great rapport. And they have a very young team with a very young defense, very young coach. Looks like they might be on the rise and if Sam Darn really has found a home here. And now you now they have to face each other in the Super Bowl. And I think as of right now, Seattle is a four-point favorite still going in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:08

You see, did you hear that Drake may hurt his throw and shoulder?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:11

But apparently they've they've stated he's healthy now.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:14

He's fine. I think he's gonna play. He could have torn that bitch, and I promise you probably was still gonna play.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:21

Yeah, but here's my thing. How bad was the injury really? Because nobody's ever said how bad the injury was. They've only said that it has been a problem for him for a while. Is this just them trying to cover their own ass because of how bad Drake may have been this postseason?

SPEAKER_03 2:09:37

Maybe, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:38

Like a shoulder injury doesn't stop, doesn't make you fumble the football like he's has been. And he's been still running around as if the shoulder injury isn't bad enough. So we we can't, if he's out, if he's good enough to go out there and make some good plays, you can't like try to like cover for him when he's playing like ass.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:56

Is this the third time we've seen Seattle on the Patriots in the playoff together? In the Super Bowl together? Um. The first year they didn't beat the Patriots, did they?

SPEAKER_02 2:10:06

No, they beat um the Broncos. Broncos, yes, because that was the that was the game where like literally the first snap, snap got thrown right over Peyton's head, and that was like a terrible Super Bowl for the Broncos. So yeah, the first one was against the Broncos. And then but they've faced each other twice in the past, like, what is it, 10 years now? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:27

Sorry, I was just thinking about it. I was like, I definitely remember Seattle in the Super Bowl three times. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, but I feel like I've only I don't remember the Patriots in the Super Bowl with them three times.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:35

No.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:35

Okay, my bad.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:36

It was just No, it's all good. No, that's actually a pretty good thing to think about because they have faced each other twice in the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:40

I think it's this is uh I actually believe this may be a very boring fucking Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:46

Uh there is a in my brain, I'm sitting at like a 45% chance we watch Seattle stomp a fucking mud hole through him.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:55

That is definitely a possibility. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:57

Let it be known the Broncos and the Texans made that defense look real fucking good. That defense isn't because of how bad their offensive line is. Yes. That defense isn't that good.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:10

No. They're good, they're fine. Yeah, they're stout.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:12

It's the best word for that.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:13

They're not gonna make mistakes. No. But the only like real like crazy game changer is Christian Gonzalez. Outside of that true.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:22

And I think Christian Gonzalez is very good. But I think what Christian Gonzalez has on a lot of receivers is that he's a big corner.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:29

JSN's six foot four.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:30

Not to mention they moved JSN around. No, JSN's not six six four. He's six three. No. Bullshit. He's like six foot, six's one. Is he really? JSN is a he is like the Kyler Murray receivers. But again, I think he's still faster than that. But that's the reason why he dropped 20 was because he didn't have the crazy physical skills of some of the other wide receivers in his class class.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:54

That's what the biggest problem was is he was coming off an injury riddle.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:57

He did c he yes, he didn't, but again, he didn't play from Most of that season though. It wasn't like he kept coming back and playing. You wonder why he got he slid.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:04

But it's not because he wasn't athletic, it was because he was fucking injured.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:07

That was what they were talking about, though. They tried they use the same thing on him as they tried to do with Chris Olave. Oh, he can't be a number one, and then they both come in and they can Chris Olave was number one right away, and JSN had to wait a couple years because he, you know, was on a team with other receivers they had to give the ball to. No, I'm talking about when it came to him getting against Seattle, where he was with DK and with Tyler Lockett.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:30

Oh, no, they were just being dumped.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:31

And then as soon as they let them both get out of town, JSN is now putting up this amazing season that he had. So, but they tried to use the same thing on him as they did with Chris Olave, but you know, Chris Olave is still a little bit bigger. Uh JSN is like right around six foot one, six foot. Six foot even. So, but again, they use him everywhere on the use on the field, they put him in the slot. Yeah.

unknown 2:12:53

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:54

But I think I I think I can make the case that JSN might run the best routes in the NFL. Just running routes. I I just think when it comes when it comes to being a young receiver that still has the speed to like make to make you pay, but like because obviously there's older receivers that have been doing it for a while that can still run very crisp routes, like Devontae Adams. But I still think JSN's more I think even more dynamic.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:22

I think the best receiver at just straight running a route. We're just talking, he runs really great routes. I think Ladd McConkey runs the best routes. But he doesn't have all the other stuff. He can't do shit else. And that's what I'm saying. Okay, okay, I got that.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:36

I was trying to make that case too.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:38

He's not the best at running routes. When it comes to running routes, is Ladd McConkie is I'm going to stand here in the slot. I'm going to route up this receiver, this DB. I think JSN has I I JSN's probably the second best guy at doing it, but he has everything else around it. You know who he reminds me of? Reminds me a lot of Michael Thomas of how that how he plays.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:00

But Michael Thomas was a much bigger receiver, though. And Michael Thomas didn't.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:03

Michael Thomas was the six foot three, six foot four.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:06

Big bodied. I'm a like if you can't put the ball in the room. So his base right here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:10

And I'm about to get another 20 yards after it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:12

But JSN still has getaway speed that Michael Thomas never had.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:16

But how they play is very similar. And how they use him is very similar. Yeah. Of he is never in one spot on the field. Sometimes he's over here, sometimes he's in the slot. Sometimes he's down over there. Man, fuck, we may run a fucking jet sweep with this motherfucker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:28

Like they do, they move him around. Yes. They make it very hard to say, hey, he's going to be on this side of the field at all times.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:34

They're very similar receivers.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:35

It doesn't matter, he'll still cook you, but like they're gonna they're gonna make it that much harder to get locked up.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:44

They're very similar. But also I'd say JSN's a bigger, big play threat.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:49

Oh, yeah. No question.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:50

Like he's catching the ball in stride and running. Like Michael Thomas is a downfield, you are throwing that ball up to him and he's catching it for 30, 40 yards, and he's going down.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:00

As much as people like talk about he doesn't have the straight speed as like a guy like Jamar Chase, he's still cooking people and being wide fuck open. He is because of how shifty like it's such short area quickness.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:12

He is probably probably the fastest receiver in the NFL. Uh yeah. Like I he's active receiver, he's probably the fastest receiver.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:22

He turns into a running back when he catches the football real quick. And he's a very hard guy to bring down.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:26

Like he he's 4-2 speed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:29

Uh 4-2 is probably a little aggressive. 4-2 is incredibly, incredibly, incredibly fast. 4-2 is like otherworldly fast. He's probably sitting around 4-4. Um I just want to make sure, because 4-2 is like a really high, crazy thing to put out there.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:44

Oh, you lucky motherfucker. He ran a 4-3-1. Motherfuck, he ran a 4-3-1.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:51

There's a big four from anywhere from the 4-2s to 4-3 is a massive gap. It doesn't sound like it is number wise, but it's a massive gap what it looks like on the field. It's a gap. It's a huge gap. It really is. It doesn't sound like it is, but it is. Dude. Again, he's right there. He's right. He's in the ballpark, man. He's in the ballpark. Not really. I think he's a ballpark over. I think there really is a massive gap between 4-2s and 4-3s. Even if it's high 4-2s. It is, man. Again, it doesn't. But again, it it's not about all about straight quickness because he's been cooking receivers any he's cooking DBs no matter what, anyway. I understand. No matter who you are.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:36

It is not that big a world between a 4-2 and a 4-3.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:38

It is.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:39

It is not. But it is. It looks different. It does not. It does look for it. It does not.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:51

Maybe it's a placebo effect. Maybe. It looks different though. It looks different.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:56

It's not.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:56

I've watched a lot more drafts than you, a lot more drop combines than you. When you see somebody run a 4-2 and see somebody in the 4-3, just like, oh no.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:03

I watched John Ross run it, and we draft that nigga 9. Real quick. It was so fast. It was so amazing. He never played it now.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:09

But again, that's because he has feet for hands, not necessarily because he's not fast.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:12

No, that's also because he couldn't get on the field. And he had feet for hands.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:15

Yes. But the feet for hands definitely, that was literally the starting point. You couldn't do anything.

Predictions, Props, And Tails Never Fails

unknown 2:17:19

Oh no, he couldn't do anything.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:20

And then once you did get on the field, you got hurt. So it is what it is.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:22

No, they used him as a gadget guy.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:24

So outside of just JSN, they have other guys, huh? No, nothing. John Raw Ross was Washington. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:32

Yes. He was a gadget guy at Washington.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:34

No question.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:35

That's how they used him. Because I remember his draft tape when they, you know, when they draft, they show him tape. The first play is a jet sweep. I'm like, hmm. Yeah. But then again, I was also worried when Tyler Bohr got drafted because all the body catches. He came out of pit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:49

He's still going to be a very pretty good receiver throughout the NFL career.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:52

Actually, he was a very good receiver.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:54

Bouts out of Jason. They have a bunch of other guys. They have Rasheed Shaheed, who is like a special teams monster. Punt him, punt or kick him the football and give him a lane. He's going to take it and he'll take it to the house. No, he can he he can catch, but I just feel like when you put him on a team with Jason and Cooper Cup.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:15

Yeah, but I feel like he's always been better, a better special teamer, even when he was with the Saints.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:20

No, because he was a good receiver with the Saints, man. He was putting up thousand yard seasons. Yeah, no, for sure. He can still make turns. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:31

But like they they have guys like Kenny Walker, they have Kenny Walker, they use him out of the backfield.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:36

Zach Charbonnet? Charbonnet stories ACL, so he's not, he's done for the he he did that two games ago. Rashad Penny. Very old running back. Not even there no more. Good, good, a good pull, though. Very many, many years ago.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:51

Danny and Donaldson?

unknown 2:18:53

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:54

Never played for the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:56

Rashad Penny played for the Seahawks, right?

unknown 2:18:58

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 2:18:59

Rashad Penny, he played for Seahoo. Prash. I think it's Prashad Penny. Yeah. Something like that. Running back, yeah. Um, also, Mike Bobo. Wide receiver. He got a touchdown their last game. I I don't know why I meant it was just funny because everybody bet on him to get a touchdown when he ended up getting one and he they got him like plus 3,000 odds. It was insane. Um but no, I they have a lot of dudes offensively to get the ball to. Kenny Walker's big on running the football, and he can get the ball to the backfield as a pass catcher. Um the offensive line is still, I think the offensive line is probably the best O-line that the defensive line for the Patriots have faced this postseason. So this offensive line for shit all year. Yeah, no doubt. Um, especially the again, they face a charger in the postseason, Houston. And I guess the Broncos was a really good O-line, they just didn't have a quarterback. Yeah, no doubt. And this offensive line was was great. So um I think that's gonna be a real big issue for the New England Patriots defense to have to deal with on top of the fact they have so many guys. And again, the what I talked about the last game with the Rams is like, hey, put the ball in Sam Darnold's hands and make him have to win the game for him. But that's what he did last game. And I feel like I think for me, I'm not gonna sit here and say that there is no chance that Sam Darnold has a bad game. But I also think with what he has done so far in this postseason, I am more confident in him having a good game than I am in Drake May, because Drake May has been playing like ass all postseason. So if I have to ask one of these quarterbacks to have a good game or just a normal game, I'm gonna put more of that on Sam Darnold because at least he's done that this postseason, um, unlike Drake. Um and then defensively for Seattle, they I think they're the second best defense I've watched all year long. Um I put them right below Houston, like literally right below Houston, because they don't get as much um pressure on you from their front four. But with the guys they have in their back end, um, safeties, corners, like they just have a bunch of freaks back there. They get after you, they can get hands-on balls, they're like they're not, nothing's gonna be easy. You're not gonna get a lot of big plays on them. One of the weaknesses for that Seattle defense is that they are a little bit susceptible to the quarterback run. So if Drake May will be able to find a little bit of a few avenues to kind of like get hit use his legs and get some extra yardage there. But I just and I just but my whole thing is that that Seattle defense is very hard to face when you're facing them for the first time, and they have not faced each other this year. So I think overall, I think I'd probably give Seattle the little bit of the of the nod. Um, but going to the Patriots side, Drake may have talked about him. He's hasn't really played all that well this postseason. He's done enough in every single game to get the win, even if he's not playing all that well. So, but again, I'm not gonna sit here and feel confident that he'll go out there and be able to light the world on fire against that Seattle defense, who's been very good this year. Offensive line for the for the Patriots, not been good. Kind of been bad, especially at left tackle. And I just think that why am I forgetting that guy's name? Uh Will Will Campbell. Will Campbell is has been having issues all year, and I think a lot of the issues with the pass rush for the Seattle Seahawks. Um, maybe not as big of an issue as you know, facing guys uh facing Houston, but like I still think it'll be an issue. And then the receivers for obviously they have a decent run game. I think they want to run the football. I just think that's gonna be very hard against that Seattle defensive line that has some pretty good D-tackles. And then throwing the football, I think that's gonna be their only option to try to really keep win this game. And I think that's where the issue may come because Drake May just has not proven that he's gonna be able to go out there and just win you the game just thrown by throwing the football in this postseason. Defensively, we already mentioned this, the Patriots are a team defensively that is just not gonna make a ton of mistakes. Christian Gonzalez is probably their best defensive player. They have some pretty good defensive tackles that they paid in the offseason to come play for them, but their defense is not necessarily gonna like light the world on fire and get a lot of pressure on you. So I just think that if the Seattle can keep Sam Darnold upright and get that ball to JSN seven to ten times and then use the other guys on their offense to get the ball to Kenneth Walker and run the football, just keep their offense moving. I just think that Seattle has more avenues of winning this game than the Patriots do. If there's a blowout in this game, well, who would you who do you think would get the blowout?

SPEAKER_06 2:23:26

Yeah, I think Seattle would blow out the Patriots.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:29

If it's a if it's a I just think if you have to score, I think the only way that Patriots win this game is if this game is somewhere in between both teams anywhere from 10 to 20 points. And I think Dra like see um the game has to be close at the end because I just think that in all aspects, I just think that Seattle has more ways to win than I think the Patriots do. And I just think that in general, I think Sam Darnold's been playing better football. And I'm not gonna sit here and try to like say that I'm gonna be very confident Drake may come out and light the world on fire. So and coaching-wise, I will give the coaching-wise this. I think that I think if I had to give one coach the edge, I think I'll probably give the Patriots coaching staff probably the edge over the Seattle coaching staff. But at the end of the day, you still have to go out on the field and do it, and I just have more trust that Seattle's gonna be able to do whatever they want to do game plan wise in comparison to what the Patriots will be able to. Um I think. How do you see the game going? What do you think the score is?

SPEAKER_05 2:24:41

I think it's gonna be 32-7.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:47

You're gonna I'm not gonna you're gonna predict a blowout? You think it's gonna be like that?

SPEAKER_05 2:24:52

I think they blow them though.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:54

That's like that's like the same, that's like what they did to the San to San Fran. I I'm not I I all like you, I do think Seattle wins the game. I don't see the Patriots getting more than one or two touchdowns in this game at all.

SPEAKER_05 2:25:10

That's crazy. You see more than two.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:12

No, no, I don't see more than two. Two is in the in the cards, right? I think two is definitely on the table. Because I just think Drake may be able to run around a little bit, get him some extra yardage and stuff like that, get him into some few some um some shorter fields. So I'm gonna go 28-17. Seattle. I just think overall that defense is gonna be very hard. Because here's the thing about that defense and what Seattle does. They're a very fast starting team. If they're gonna jump on you, they're gonna jump on you quick. And not to mention with their special teams, they get them some very short fields in a quick in a hurry with Shahid returning the football. So what happens is when these defenses, these offenses are facing Seattle's defense for the first time. Oh, the one issue that I do think with the Seattle defense is that Nick Imanwori, the uh safety that they drafted, did hurt his ankle. So there's and he was uh limping coming into the um to practice and stuff like that. So I'm not sure how good he's gonna look when game time starts. So that's my one worry. But outside of that, I think Seattle overall has just a better foot better football team. I agree. And I think that I have more fame in Darnold. Yeah. Even though it feels weird, say it. It feels weird. But I trust. But I'm just like Drake May just hasn't done enough for me to like see.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:33

He's gonna rewrite his entire NFL career. Yeah, man. In two years.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:40

Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:41

Which shows how shitty of an organization the Jets are. Because coming out of college, he could fling a football.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:46

No, he was good, no doubt. I'm not gonna blame just the Jets because I do think he's having his issues.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:51

I agree, but I think the Jets didn't have a staff to coach him, brought a quarterback in that was young and needed help, didn't bring give him any help, fucked him up, and then shipped him off. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:00

No, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:01

Because as we can see, that's what they fucking do.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:05

Yeah, no, the Jets are very good at that. No, you're not.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:08

Quick question.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:11

When an embryo is taken and frozen and then placed back for the baby to be had, is that baby there as old as its embryo is? Or since it was just born, is it a new baby? Also, imagine being frozen as an embryo just for your parents' name, you dug.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:32

Where does this fucking coming from?

SPEAKER_07 2:27:34

I just answered my question.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:36

I don't once it's frozen, it's not aging no more, so it's not the same age. It's no, it's still aging.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:42

If it's frozen, ice is fucking dated, it hasn't fucking age, so yeah. When they carbon date ice, yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:52

Is it like the like leap year? I I just cause uh you because when people are people can be born during the days of the leap year. You're allowed to be born on those days.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:06

Yeah, obviously.

SPEAKER_05 2:28:11

Well, that's the thing. Is some people is some people when they have the kid, the doctor like, hey, their their birthday can be on this day, or it can be on February 28th. Or it can be on March 1st.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:28:28

So some people like I had a friend who his birthday was March 1st. It wasn't, it was February 29th. Got it. But he'd be fucking five. Yeah, you're not wrong. So it's like that's dumb. Yeah, yeah. That's dumb. Yeah, for sure. So that's sorry, it was a question. I don't want to swear. They froze an embryo in 94. Uh and then he was born in July 26, 2025. But he's classified. It was the the clo they were confused because technically the kid is 30.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:07

Yeah, but but it's but it's not the real age.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:12

That's no, that's the question that came up.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:14

Okay, fine. Uh, I was thinking like the real aging that we all look at doesn't start until you're born.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:20

It's scientists arguing with hey, that kid's 30. Because the embryo is 30. So scientifically, he's 30.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:28

Maybe sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:30

I think it's a little over my head. I I I think I consider myself a relatively smart.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:34

They do it with animals all the time.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:36

But so they'll introduce them to the population, take an embryo from one of those, and then let them go on for a couple years, and then reintroduce basically just a clone to try to diversify the gene pool again. Yeah. And they'll do it over and over again to keep trying to diversify the gene pool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:55

Um But that just goes to show when it comes to the Super Bowl, man. I just feel like there's not a lot of drama behind it. It's just two teams that never thought they were gonna be here in the first place. I don't care. Seattle Seattle won 10 games last year, didn't we make the playoffs? Yeah. It's like they had a good team last year. It's just they take a taking an even bigger step up. And then New England, does it make you feel weird that not a lot of people believe that New England's New England's gonna win the game? Does it make you feel like like, oh man, are we all sitting on our losing side of this and we're all gonna look stupid on Monday morning?

SPEAKER_05 2:30:29

I don't see a motherfucker over there wearing 12. I'm not stressed.

Final Notes And Sign Off

SPEAKER_02 2:30:33

Yeah, I I have that same feeling. I really do, but I'm just like the gambler inside of me. Hence you call me a gambling addict. This makes me feel like, man, so many people are on Seattle to win the game, that it makes me like, man, like, are we are we all on the sit on the wrong side of this? I don't know. Again, what when I watch football, Seattle's the better football team. You just do a domain expansion on me right now? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:55

That's idle gambler.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:57

Yes, uh Hokari.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:58

Um sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:00

But yeah, there's not a lot to talk about. The game is the game. I'll be very excited to watch it. I'm gonna be I'm going across state lines tomorrow. Make sure I get a Super Bowl Ben in for Ledger Tales. Don't shake your head at me. You wanna go. I'm broke. Then don't go.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:14

And you're a gambling addict.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:17

But you wanna go. You're saying you're broke, but you want to go.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:19

Yeah, it's I think I should also do tomorrow. I have two jobs due tomorrow. I'm gonna be off fucking noon.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:24

So you're so you're gonna be I'll be off at like 10 o'clock. Okay, so you wanna go, but you're not gonna make a bet. You're just gonna be in the car?

SPEAKER_05 2:31:29

I'm broke.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:32

Did you have to pay rent four five, six, eight, six days ago? No, obviously not. But I'm just your electric boot bill due to lay. Okay, so you're just gonna go just to sp just to want to like talk about how much of a gambler addict I am?

SPEAKER_05 2:31:44

I like driving. I just like long drives. I'm like I drive myself and I drive drive a lot. So it's kind of nice just being in a drive in a car and somebody else is driving new places.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:55

Okay. You just can't be a Debbie Downer. Because there are two gonna be two people in the car that are gonna be making a bet. Can I ask you? So if you're not gonna be making a bet, can I ask you a question? I haven't introduced a Stefanzo. Obviously, the other person making a bet. No, not tails. I am making, I'm gonna be making a I'm in my brain, 40 to 50 bucks on the bet, okay?

SPEAKER_05 2:32:17

One to ten I can get you put 200 bucks on it.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:19

Is it better? No. Um, is it better that I put all on just on one and don't hedge? Or put like 95% on one and put a little bit because it's such an easy bet to win. You're either one one or the other. Put 95, like$45 on one and then put$5 on the other to at least get something on the back end. Because I don't want to do this bound, because I wouldn't want to do that against font, like Nah, that's gay. That is gay. Hedge or tails, Mokar. Hedge or tails. Okay. I just want to make sure. What you mean? I want to make sure I'm not crazy. Look at me, look at me.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:49

Put a thousand dollars on tails. I'm not gonna put Bro, it's like it's like it's like Madden in like 08, bro. Tails never fails.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:56

Let me tell the story real quick and then we'll get out of here before we go.

SPEAKER_07 2:32:59

Put a band on Tails. Okay, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:01

We're gonna say you can make bets, but you can't make a bet on prop bets like that. And where we're at, there's gonna be two states that we are close to though you can make this make it hedge a tailbett in the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_05 2:33:11

Put him his life savings on fucking Tails.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:13

So I made so I made the story with uh with our stepfather that it'd be very cool if we go across eight lines, make a bet, don't tell each other what we're picking, and then come back, and we won't know until the coin flips and we see it hit the ground, and either one of us could win, both of us could win, or both of us could lose. And I really I thought that'd be a very cool story. And I'm like, it'd be a very cool, fun thing to do. It probably will be my stomach will probably be turning by the time it happens, because I don't put like$50 down on bets all the time. I just don't. I've never have. So the way I look at it is that I think it'd be a very cool story. I wouldn't do this by myself. I feel like it'd be a very I think just the story of it is just as cool as making the bet itself potentially winning. So that's why I want to do it. I think it'll be a very fun thing to do. And do you should I make a bet on how long the national anthem is going to be? They make bets on that. How long the National Amazon can be? Kind of insane. Yeah. Prop bets go crazy for the Super Bowl. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:06

Yeah. What? Sorry, I just saw a bad use of free will.

SPEAKER_07 2:34:11

Oh, but me? No.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:13

No. I was watching a dude uh cook and eat a bull penis. Whole thing. Oh, that's okay. STEM. Alright, fine. Alright, I'm done. I'm done now. Everything. And the first thing I I thought was this is what you're doing with your free will. You need to be restrained. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:29

Oh, just don't give me more details about that. I want to throw up.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:31

That's a bad use of free will. Yeah, very bad. Bad use of free will.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:34

Um, do you have anything else you want to talk about today? We're two half hours in. Which is fine because we haven't podcasted in over a week, so we're all good. Got nothing?

SPEAKER_05 2:34:44

Uh, the possible number one overall pick in the NHA N NHL draft is being charged with assault, which is going to end up carrying a 20-year prison sentence or$25,000 fine. It was the kid from Penn State. Okay. Uh he is most likely gonna pay the fine.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:07

Okay. Sorry. Why do you know this? It's not like you follow hockey like this. Like, so who do you know that got that told you about this?

SPEAKER_05 2:35:18

I like his words.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:19

Okay. That's weird. Alright, before we get anything else, let's go ahead and end the podcast here.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:25

My bad. It was my first thought was this damn. Was it worth it? Why, yeah. The NTL drafts a month from now.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:33

So he ruined his life in a month.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:35

Yeah, that'll do it. Again, this I'm I'm not gonna sit here and say like I you would like for Pete to look at people and be like, hey, if you have an opportunity in front of you to make a ton of money and like achieve your dreams, you would like thought to make a bad decision. I know, but it I don't know. But it's it's happened too often.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:49

I know. But like Hockey's a hard sport to get into because it's one of those true, yeah. Uh unlike a lot of other sports, hockey is played world round. Yeah. Like overseas hockey is very, very big. Yeah. Uh so this is not a sport that's easily to get drafted into.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:08

Yeah, but not but all these situations are not easy to at all. And then they it all they all make crazy decisions that ruin that can ruin it.

SPEAKER_05 2:36:17

Uh and for this it was over something stupid. Like, like the dumbest shit in the world. And my brain goes for this suburban white kid to ruin his life. Like that pisses me the fuck off.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:29

It's one of those things that people are people, people are stupid. So like when it comes to mo in the moment, it's it's almost it almost seems like a skill for people to be able to look, see the forest through the trees. I know, but like you be able to kind of stake his status.

SPEAKER_05 2:36:43

Yeah, no doubt. Because you did something so fucking stupid.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:46

Well, you could say the same thing about the um the wide receiver from for the uh Raiders. Uh Henry Ruggs. Henry Ruggs. All he has to do, he has enough money, he could easily buy a driver, but he goes behind the the wheel drunk and then kills somebody, goes to jail, and pretty much ruins his NFL career. So and he had a bunch of money, like he was a good receiver. Like he was probably gonna get multiple contracts and have a nice long NFL career, and then he made one bad decision and it ruins everything. And I'm I'm I'm not gonna sit here, I don't want to say that of prison soon.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:17

He does, but still, like when he comes back, there's no He went in when he was 23, 22?

SPEAKER_02 2:37:23

Something like that. He was still very young.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:24

He was on his I think he was just at the end of his rookie contract. 22, 23.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:28

So bad decisions happen all the time, and money is involved, and it just keeps happening. So I'm not gonna sit here, it happens too often for me to look at one particular person and be like, you're especially stupid. Like there there's just something that happens, and when one split second moment happens and you're gonna make a decision that she probably wasn't good for you, and it is what it is. So I don't know. It is I don't know. It's a weird say I feel bad, but then I at the same time when you say it's stupid, I agree. It's a stupid thing. Like you could have made a different decision. Yeah, I don't know. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:58

It was something I saw. Uh I just follow sports pages, so it should not get fucked up. I started looking into it and I was like, damn, dude, that was fucking dumb. Yeah. Yeah. That was dumb.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:10

You like for people that like that to have people around them to make sure that, hey, before you do that, let me just get you out of here before you make a bad decision. Rappers, like again, rappers can go either way, but like people in the music industry.

SPEAKER_05 2:38:22

That's the thing. People in the music industry have that one person where that is their job.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:26

Like every successful person has that one person in their life. Get me out of these bad situations. Like that is, and I think if you are a successful person, you should have that person in your life. That can be the one to, no matter the situation, be like, hey, the calm one in the room, only looking out for your better judgment and better interests, to where you don't put yourself in these bad spots. Because again, these are all a lot of times, these are all stupid decisions.

SPEAKER_05 2:38:50

This is like proof avoidable stuff. That's one proof.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:53

Yeah. Again, why it crushed Eminem when that happened? Because like, hey, that that was my guy. That was my guy. Ride or ride or die. Yeah, like that was it.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:01

Perfect. He kept me healthy, he kept me in my my right mind, and then after he died, you spiraled like spiraled and then came back.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:08

But sorry, that was the like the first one I thought of. He was like stupid detrimental.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:14

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:15

Again, it's a again, it's that's a universal thing.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:18

Also, the longest penalty with the most objections was recorded, was read last night in hockey. It was a minute long.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:30

I should I act like I know what you're talking about? Because I don't follow hockey at all. It was the Red Wings and Pittsburgh. I know the teams, but like when it comes to any Saturday specifics when it comes to hockey, I am an I'm no user. The Red Wings are from St. Louis. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:46

And the Penguins are from Red Wings.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:49

Isn't that Detroit Red Wings? Not St. Louis. Alright, let's do the podcast here. It's Detroit Red Wings.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:58

I think it's the St. Louis Blackhawks.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:01

I th no. That's Chicago Blackhawks. Black Hawks. No, Toronto is the Maple Leafs. How do I know more about these teams than you do?

SPEAKER_03 2:40:13

I think St.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:14

Louis is the blues. Pretty sure. I might be insane. Go ahead. This would be a last thing before we really end the podcast here. I'm gonna go ahead and start the start the outro and then you can tell me. You can interrupt. If you've been listening, they're running the podcast here. If you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. If you're just now joining on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us. Was I right? Was I right? Is it St. Louis Blues?

SPEAKER_05 2:40:42

It is the blues. Yes! Them and the Red Wings have a very similar logo where it has like a little fucking wing on the end and then it's a circle thing. Yeah. But theirs is a musical note. Yeah. But they look stupid similar when I look at it over. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:55

I know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_05 2:40:56

And the Red Wings, it was Detroit.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:59

Let's go.

SPEAKER_05 2:41:00

I was right about the Blackhawks, though.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:02

Chicago. Yeah. You didn't say Chicago. I said Chicago. You did not say Chicago Blackhawks. You try to say St. Louis Blackhawks. I'm like, no. Um listen a while. We appreciate you. If you're just not joining on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride of talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you do like us and enjoy us, if you could do a couple things for us, we'd appreciate if you could like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to us. We're pretty much available on all audio platforms out there, so we should not be very hard to find uh wherever you listen to your podcast. Oh, that's gross. And if you uh also could you I want you to show me that uh like uh share podcasts with friends, family, enemies, anybody who feels like can enjoy the podcast we put out um on a weekly basis, with it being two times a week during the NFL season. Um and then last but not least, uh follow us on Twitter and or X, whatever you'd like to call it, at JB Sports Pod is the podcast handle, at Jovante Boozer is my handle, and at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's handle, and I'll hand it over to Jace we can finish off the pod.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:04

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SPEAKER_02 2:42:09

Bye y'all. Have a great Super Bowl, and we'll talk to you next week.