We Break Down Bam’s 83 And Rank The Biggest Free Agency Winners

Records don’t just spark celebration, they expose what fans actually value. We start with the wildest number of the week: Bam Adebayo hanging 83 points and instantly dividing the basketball world. We talk through the full context, from the free throw volume to the “is this still basketball?” fourth quarter, and why people can be impressed without pretending every historic box score feels the same. It also opens up the bigger question: could anyone hit 100 in today’s NBA, and what would it realistically take in the modern three-point era?

Then we switch lanes into the World Baseball Classic, because it’s hard not to notice how much more fun baseball looks when the celebrations are loud and the unwritten rules take a back seat. We get into why Team USA baseball shouldn’t be judged like Team USA basketball, how much global talent drives MLB, and why single-game variance makes international tournaments pure chaos in the best way.

After that, it’s an NFL free agency marathon. We break down the moves that matter, including the Chiefs bringing in Kenneth Walker, the Bills trading for DJ Moore, Miami’s reset at quarterback with Malik Willis, and the Ravens’ headline-grabbing sequence with the Max Crosby trade falling apart before they pivot to Trey Hendrickson. We also hit the Steelers going shopping (which sure looks like an Aaron Rodgers plan), plus the big swings and questionable contracts around the league, and we finish with straight-up season grades for the AFC South and NFC East.

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Transcript

Forza Hype And Game Pass Talk

SPEAKER_04 0:09

Welcome back to James Who's Podcast. Today is Friday, March the 13th. We're back on the podcast. Four is uh come out?

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What?

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I think four is coming out here soon.

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Uh the one in Japan that I'm actually kind of excited about. Like that's uh honestly one of the easiest ones you could possibly do. That's I honestly did not think that was gonna be the first thing you'd say on this podcast.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

Sorry, I realized it's supposed to be out here, I think, in March.

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Interesting. That'll be a fun that'll be a fun play. Again, you have to play pay for the game outright.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Cool.

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Honestly, it's better. I the only reason I had it didn't switch the my subscription thing, because I just never switched it.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

How many Game Pass games are you really playing?

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Not that many, honestly, until they bring out fours, and I'll be like, fuck, I gotta play this.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Yeah, yeah, but that's the only one you're really gonna play. And then fours is like beating a dead horse. There's only so much you can do with a skin.

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No, you're try but it's but it's gonna look so good.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

And it's gonna be fun for like the first week you play it. And then it's like now I'm just grinding the same game.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

You're not wrong, but I think I think the I think the drive will be so much different. And as long as they do the drifting right.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

Again, they do everything very smooth. And the drifting is the one thing I've like I I it is literally like drifting an actual fucking car. Yeah. You have to feel the weight of the car, and I shrugged me the internet.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Let alone with a controller in your hand.

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So like I, you know.

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That game's gonna look so good. I can only imagine what it's gonna look like.

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It's going to be immaculate.

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Oh my on my OLED too? Oh man. I'm so excited. It'll be a fun game. It's just it's you've made six of the same game. Yeah, it's true. Again, like with the biggest.

SPEAKER_04 1:55

Added weather, like but in the last three games, you've used the same Hot Wheels shit, and I'm like, I'm kind of tired of the fucking Hot Wheels shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

It's fun, it's fun for a little bit, but not fun enough to.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

It was cool when it came out in four as a three.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:09

But now it's the same four bat over and over again.

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Yeah, no doubt.

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It is the map's cool, I guess. Yeah, yeah. It's like I'm only gonna play this so much because it's like it's it's a bunch of orange track. Yeah, it's not, and it's not, I'm not claiming, it's not as fun.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

You only do so many loop-de-loops where you're like, uh fuck.

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The only problem I have with it being in Japan is I'm worried that there won't be a whole lot of space.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Oh no, there's not gonna be a lot of straight line speed.

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Yeah, which is kind of where you lose me a little bit because in four is a three, that's all there was straight line speed. That's true. You just gotta be fast.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

Heck, even in five, it was you were in Britain, so like no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

Four was in Britain, five was in Mexico.

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Yeah, Mexico.

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That one was better, but that one was more pushed towards the off-roading. Yeah, no doubt. In a way, that five was just four was just bad because they had like the weather system.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

They still did the weather in five as well.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

Yeah, but it wasn't winter 24-7. That is true. So like every time I got on, it was winter. I'm like, alright, I'm getting back off. You had to change out the tires. I'm like, no, this shit is gay. Stop this right now.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

People don't want to drive during the winter tonight.

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No, so they they it wasn't as bad in five. In five, it was sandstorm, normal, and raining. And I'm like, Yeah, no doubt.

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Exactly. It's enough to change it up a little bit the way you have to drive. But no, it looks good.

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Where I literally want to kill myself.

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Yeah, no, I I get what you're saying.

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And then they got rid of the battle pass in five. They're like, yeah, no, that was dumb. It is dumb. We're gonna go back to the wheel.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

In a game like that, it's just it doesn't make any sense to do a battle pass like that.

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I'm not racing online.

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Yeah, no doubt.

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That's a solo player game. I'm just hopping on because I want to have some fun.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Yeah, you'll do a couple races with other people just for the fun of it, but then but then then you'll see them like cut you off too many times and will piss you off, and you're like, I'm done with this shit.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Whoever's in last place will come all the way across the map, hit just you, and there's still two laps online.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Yep, no doubt, no doubt.

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So now your whole race is just ruined for no reason.

Bam’s 83 Points And Backlash

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yeah, yeah, I I yeah, for sure. Okay, well, now that we got that off our chest, uh may as well actually get to the thing we're here for, sports. Um, and we have one, so mostly today it's gonna be a NFL free agency extravaganza talking about everything that's going on in free agency outside of like what happened the pre-free agency with what happened with uh I did that on the last pod by myself, but I will get Jace's reaction on a couple of those things. Um just to make sure we have it on the record. Um, but we do have one basketball topic to talk about, and it pretty much taken over the whole week, and it is, you know, the second second highest point total in a game of all time in Bam Atabayo. So this happened.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

I know they drug tested the shit out of him.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

When did this happen? Monday, Tuesday? Um Miami Heat playing the Washington Wizards, Bam Atabayo goes off for 83 points, beating Kobe's Kobe Bryant's second place finish by two points. He went, should I just say this whole stat line? And then we'll get into the nitty-gritty of it.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

Request, he could have had more if he had hit. Like 10 more free throws.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

No, that's the thing, he went 36 of 43 for free throws.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

So you went what?

SPEAKER_02 5:29

He went 36 of 43 at from free throws in the free throws.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Asking a guy to go 100% from at from the free throw line is kind of crazy, especially it being bam. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

How many did he miss?

SPEAKER_02 5:47

He missed that would be seven. Dude, that puts him like again, he attempted 43 goddamn free throws. Um, 83 points, 20 of 43 from the field, and then 36 of 43 from the free throw line.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

90 of all time.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

90.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

10 away from the record. That's crazy, dude.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

And let me just say the rest of his stat line here. He went seven of twenty-two from three. And then he also had nine rebounds, three assists. He was sharing a little bit. Um, which also made this suck because in the middle of that game, they were trying to make him like, oh, he's passing the ball. He's being so selfless right now when he's going after this point record. I'm like, they were going too far towards trying to defend Bam in the middle of this game because they knew it was starting to look like not like a basketball game. So that part kind of sucked when I was watching it. Um, but no, he had an awesome game, second all time, and people are very split on how they feel about this. You have the Kobe stands that say that what Bam did wasn't real basketball, and that, which I think to a certain degree, you can again there's nothing you can't disagree with the fact that by the time it was the fourth quarter and they were double and triple teaming the guy, and Miami was fouling the other team to get more possessions in the last few minutes of the game, and he was literally getting the ball past half court and just chucking up threes. Let me remind you, he started the game like six of nine from three. So he he attempted another like 15, 16 threes and only hit one more. And the hacking through the first three quarters, they were hacking, dude. They were hacking, he was making shots.

SPEAKER_04 7:35

It was what it was free throws he got were deserved. For sure. They were fucking fouling. They were fouling. They weren't even trying at that point. No, it was again it's the Wizards.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

The Wizards are the worst team in the NBA, and they're trying to lose.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

There's only so much they could really do. They're bad.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

No, no, no. They they weren't trying. They gave they sold on that game at halftime. And I don't think that and that has to be taken into account is the fact that it is the Wizards, one of the worst teams in the NBA. They are trying to lose this year. I will say they had they did get Trey back.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

That did nothing for him.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Not in that game. He didn't play in that game, but in other games that he has played, he has made their team look better. And they went into overtime last night with against um who was that against that they were playing last night that they went to overtime with? Oh uh Orlando. A much better team than them. And they ended up hitting a th a three to take it to overtime, and then they still lost. But again, but it's the game after they got shit on by Bam Adabaya is when they decided to actually play some good basketball. But I just think all in all, Kobe's stands are gonna be mad about it because it doesn't, it's not as pure as their kings when he did it. And for for it wasn't good basketball at the end. It really wasn't. And it felt like by the time it was the last five minutes or so, it was very very manufactured, it wasn't natural anymore. It was they were he was getting double and triple teamed, he was throwing up shots whenever he could, looking to get hacked at certain points. And there was a point where Bam Atabayo at the end of that game, last couple minutes, literally ran like a freight train through two different dudes. He was running. And um Eric Spolcha challenged it to try to not have him have a charge instead of get instead of get uh get a foul call so he can go for more free throws. Like they were some real man, not to mention that his team was like trying to pass the ball at all points. I again I'm not gonna be mad at that, I'm not mad at bam. I'm not gonna be mad at bam for doing that. Especially by the time through three quarters he was at 60 something points. Why wouldn't you go for it if you're a competitor? I totally understand that. But the last, the fourth quarter wasn't basketball anymore, especially as you get farther and farther into the game, to where I think there's room for both. There's room for people that want to look at it and say, hey, in the line of dudes scoring that many points, what Bam did wasn't as impressive as when Kobe did it, or when some of the guys behind him that were in the 70s, I think Lucas done a 70-point game for the Suns. Um Devin Booker. Devin Booker has a 70-point game, um Mitchell has a 70-point game. So, like when you start comparing them, maybe you can start ranking him that way. And I can understand somebody not being as enthused with Bam doing it in hitting 36 of 40 free throws. I totally understand. I that I but I get, but having hate towards him as if he did something truly wrong by going for the record, I'm not gonna do that. That's where that's where it goes too far for me.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

Do you think somebody ever gets 100?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

I think nowadays it would take somebody getting incredibly hot from three. Which is possible. Again, you have a Steph, you have like some dudes that are like crazy good from three.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

See it. That's the one thing that kind of gets me. It's crazy Steph has never gotten up there on the board.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

What's the highest point total he's had? He's in the he's been 60s, but he's never been 70. But again, by that point, but that's the thing, is that when he was doing that, they were blowing teams out and they were like, oh, we're just gonna take him out. Like it's never one of those. True. And he's not point guard, and he's not as dominant at the rim.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

Yeah. So it's like all he can do is shoot from three.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Right, and there's a lot of variance when it comes to shooting from that far away.

SPEAKER_04 11:23

So it it's part of me is like it's because he's a point guard.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

And not so much, it's easier to like kind of like trap you and play three guys on you because you can't, you're not gonna run past them and get to the rim.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

I mean, you can try. It didn't work for most people when they try to do it against Steph.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

Like, so if I had a just a question for you when it comes to remember when Clay Thompson scored like the 60-something points with only like four dribbles? Yeah, I find Clay what he did there was so much more impressive than what Bam did.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

I mean, yeah, no, I can see the efficiency. I'm not saying anything about it. What he did was not impressive. No, it was. It was impressive through the first three quarters.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Through the first three quarters, but that fourth quarter was not basketball. It was what are we doing, bro? Like, yeah, it just felt so manufactured. And again, I I don't blame Bam, but I blame everything around Bam for making it look like a clown show.

unknown 12:14

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

And I That's the part, that's the part. It made it look like a clown show to me, and that's what that's what sucked. Sucked about it. But I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be super mad about it. Like some people are. Did you see the RDC skit about it? Oh my god, so insane. Because he's like sitting, he's coming out, and it was uh one of the videos, the first part of the video that split up, the wizards after the game, and you have Wemby calling them saying, Make sure you play that same defense against me, wee wee. And then you have LeBron where LeBron making the call. I need to get that score record too. Better play that same defense gives me two. So like it's like that was, and then it goes to the other side where Bam's coming out, giving everybody dabs, and you say, Hey, it's Will Bam Kobe. And then he has to start running away and guess who's chasing after him? Jason Tatum. They have Ben as Jason Tatum saying, You can't do this. Don't do this to Kobe, man. Don't do this to Kobe. Because you know he's such a he's such a big Kobe's stand. Awesome skit that they did. But it's just like I don't know, man. I can understand both sides of it.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Everybody's taking it like it's shade on Kobe, and I'm like, it's not, man. Somebody was gonna break that record at some point. How it was done. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

It's not even the it's not even the record, it's a second.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

It was how it was done.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:25

I think that's what it's mattered about. If it was just straight up like, hey bro, this dude's just hot, which Bam was. Bam was probably gonna crack 70 easy, right? At like the last the fourth quarter, I'm like, oh bro, the into the third quarter, he was still just kind of like.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

He had like 60-something points through three quarters. Like that's where you're like, okay, fine, he's playing good basketball and all that. But through that whole fourth quarter, they were up 30, man. They weren't trying. It's not a good basketball team. Uh, it's just like I get all sides of it if you have your issues. But being bad at bam for going for it, I'm like, just come on. You like if you're a competitor, why wouldn't you? Have your name stamped in history, whether people will actually remember it, because by the time 20, 30 years goes down the line, guess what most people remember? The points. And then you have to get into a deeper conversation there for somebody to be a hater about it to bring up the fact that he scored he had 36 free throws made in that game, which is the most free throws made and attempted in a basketball game ever. So, like, I just think all of it is like used. Yeah, it's just it is what it is. So I'm not mad about it, but I get anybody if you have your complaints, you're probably valid. You're probably valid. And uh that's just where I sit on it, man. I'm just like and people do question whether the Wilt thing happened, though. Do you know he broke through he did that 100 in 1960 something? 62? And there's no video evidence, nothing of the sort. They just say that he hit it. So there's some people that truly believe that Wilt never even got the hundred. I don't think there'd be a reason to lie about it, though. I believe it too.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

The next best dude was the only dude who couldn't beat being Bill Russell. I mean, yeah, he probably got 100.

unknown 15:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

So I'm just like, it was just think about it, he was what Wemby is to us now. To them.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:09

So, like, yeah, that probably tracks. The next tallest dude was Bill Russell, and he only had a face in when he won the championship.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_04 15:15

So, yeah, he probably on some random fucking play it like new team. Like, I'm about to put up a hundred on y'all. Sorry. Yeah, it's gonna be ingrained in history. No, I believe it was done.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Yeah, no, it's just I don't know. It's just the animosity that it brought out on everybody was just like, uh, it's kind of gross.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Again, oh, and this is the last thing I want to talk about with this thing. The people that were fighting for BAM to try to make it better made me hate want to hate it more. Am I crazy? Because it seems like it's super desperate, and I'm just sitting there like, don't act like the people that have a problem with it don't have a point. No, and again, man, it's just the higher the harder you fight on it on his behalf, it just makes it like ugh, like you don't have to do that. Like, because again, no matter how much everybody complains, it doesn't change the fact that he scored 83 points in an NBA basketball game on video that everybody can watch. So there's no questioning it. Like it is, it's there forever. So I I just don't know. It's just it's you know, it's just it's sports fans, it's what we do. When things start happening like that, you want to not just hating, you want to put it in context of history. And if you don't have it as high of an achievement as others, I again I can't I can't fault you for it. Can't fault you.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

It doesn't matter, none of them will ever have any more points than my player.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

I honestly didn't think that's where you would go with that. I really didn't.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

I'd be scoring 190.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:48

Just in case y'all cared.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Insane. Insane. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

Um DPOY, rookie of the year, and MVP.

NFL Free Agency Kickoff

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Alright, that's about it. That's uh all we got when it comes to basketball conversation. Let's go ahead and get to the NFL. That's what we're all here for anyway. Let's get to it. What is there a certain deal that you'd like to talk about first? Um, Kenny Walker, that one happened early on last week. Um, I think that happened on Monday. I think it was like one of the first things that happened once the new league year started. Not the league year, but the tampering period happened. It was Kenny Walker. Let me look up the contract.

unknown 17:32

I think it was like two years.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Kenny Walker.

unknown 17:35

A lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Chiefs contract.

unknown 17:38

It was a lot.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

It wasn't a lot.

unknown 17:41

It was a lot for how old.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

Three-year contract valued up to 45 million. So about 15 million, 14 to 15 million dollars of annual value with twenty with only 28 million guaranteed.

SPEAKER_04 17:52

That's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

He's only 25.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

That's a lot more than what Seattle's trying to get.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Oh, yeah, no doubt. Okay, so do you think it was a good signing, or do you think it was the Chiefs?

SPEAKER_04 18:04

I think it's a great signing.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

They haven't had really good running, they haven't got a good running game in years.

SPEAKER_04 18:08

Did Seattle pick up Pacheco?

SPEAKER_02 18:11

No, Lions did.

SPEAKER_04 18:12

Oh. So they got rid of David Montgomery to re-sign David Montgomery. Yeah. It's the same fucking player. But cheaper. Way cheaper and not as good.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Oh, Pacheco's not good, not as good as David Montgomery.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

And I can say this, David Montgomery's a pretty good back.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Oh, he's a normal one on most teams. He is. Truly.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

Pacheco's a true a true two of him to just ram through things.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Oh yeah, he'll run hard and he'll do the little choppy leg thing that he always does.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

That isn't effective. It's it's so ineffective.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

It makes it it makes it look like a little kid running, and it's kind of hilarious when I watch him run. But I think in general, do I think it was a good sign? I think it was a good signing. It was a good signing, but I don't think it changes the fact that their offensive line. I don't think it's only because they've had bad running backs over the years. I think their offensive line has not been good at running the football. And I don't think their offense is built to have good running plays at all. Like all of the when it comes to Andy Reid and how good he is at throwing the football, like as much as an offensive genius as he is, I think most of that goes towards throwing the football and then end around and stuff like that to wide receivers. I never I've never looked at him and said, you're good at building a run game.

SPEAKER_04 19:20

I think Henry Walker was a good sign. I just don't think it's a good scheme fit.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Again, maybe maybe this is gonna be like, hey, we're actually with with him with uh Mahomes coming off with the knee injury. When he comes back, he's not gonna be 100%. So like maybe it's coming with the idea that Andy Reid's like, hey, we're gonna reshape our team again to work maybe we'll they'll be a little bit more of a more of a running team than they ever have been, which I'm like more of a balanced team. Yes. Again, I don't think they'll ever go to like mostly the running the football with Mahomes as your quarterback. You shouldn't. That you're taking away the best part of your football team. But but having more balance wouldn't wouldn't hurt, especially if you're not gonna have the crazy good wide receivers because they haven't had ever since Tyreek Hill left, like they don't think that's what they draft going in this year. I think they'll probably go DN, like defensive line.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

I don't know. They've receivers so bad. Literally, that's been their biggest problems. They have no receivers.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

And the receivers they do have are in prison.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Trying to trying to be. Rasheed Rice was actually turning out to be a pretty good receiver. Yeah, I'm gonna go drive my car fast as shit.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

And then Torres ACL, and then all the driving stuff came out. Mahomes tore his ACL. No, so did he, so did so did he the year before.

SPEAKER_04 20:32

Mahomes is a whole fucking point.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

Mahomes got in the way and Torres do his ACL.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

Yep. I totally agree. So like it's they haven't had good wide receiver play either. Um, they are getting Travis Kelsey back, so like that's also a good help. Again, it again, another pass catcher that Mahomes can rely on. But just getting this guy be able to run the football, I think, makes a lot of sense. They didn't pay him a ton of money. It's at running back position, 15 million is around that's the number. Because think about the highest running back totals you're talking. McCaffrey's getting paid around 20. Um Jameer Gibbs, Saquon.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Jameer Gibbs and Bijan Robinson.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Oh, they're gonna get paid so much money. No questions asked. But here's the thing with Jameer Gibbs and and and Bijan, they can be used in so many other ways that's gonna extend their career out. Bijan could literally go be a wide receiver and go run routes.

SPEAKER_04 21:24

Like that's no, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

He's versatile as hell. Like he's McCaffrey on steroids.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

Um, and no, he's McCaffrey, but black.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

I don't want to just say McCaffrey not being black, because let's be honest, he's everything but athleticism was built in. I'm not trying to disrespect McCaffrey. I feel like that's disrespecting him.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

Dude, his parents literally were just the perfect combination to make an athletic white guy. His dad wasn't an NFL player, and his mom was a fucking uh pro soccer player. Yeah, makes an athletic white guy, real quick. They only failed two times before that one.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

No, because his brothers his brother plays too. Well, his brother's younger, younger brother, yeah. He has two older brothers. Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

It's not like that were they the watts where all these motherfuckers gonna make it. One of them just happens to be a fullback. He's just not six foot four. Right, exactly. My bad. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. He was a good, he's probably one of the better fullbacks you've you've ever seen. Right. But hey man, you were born in the middle of the and you were born in the 90s. Yeah. Kind of fucked. Yeah. Had you been born in the 80s, you would have been so useful. Bro, bro was an all-pro almost every year of his career. Oh, yeah, no doubt. And you're a fullback. No doubt. It was even Kyle Uzczyk.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Uzek. I feel like there's one more.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

There is, but he's a fullback. We don't know his name.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

It was the one that. Oh yeah, yeah, no, you're not wrong. Um, and then for the Seattle Seahawks, I just I don't think they'd made a bad decision by not paying him.

SPEAKER_04 22:53

No, who else did they let go? They let the Seahawks let a lot of players go.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Oh, yeah. But here's the thing, they draft very well. So, like that's a team.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

But they let Tariq Woolen that's who left.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Woolens, well, he went to the Bears, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

That's he's about to get so many fucking flags.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

He is, but I think he fits their what they want to do on defense.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

I know, but you literally just have to accept he's getting five penalties a game.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

They let Woolen go, they let their safe one of the safeties go as well.

SPEAKER_04 23:18

They let a defensive end go. They let a lot of guys go.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

So I'm just sitting there like, and the Chiefs also lost guys, too. I'm just sitting, so I I think Seattle, because the way they draft, they can do it.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Did Chris Jones get hurt or something? Because he just fell off the face of the earth.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

He played last year, but it's just they did they again, Chris Jones is a closer, but when you're losing fucking games, a closer doesn't fucking matter. And not to mention he has got a little older, slowed down a little bit, but again, he's still one of the better players in the NFL at his position, but it's just, you know, not as again, if you're if you're a closer and there's nothing to close, what does it fucking matter? So I just think with the way Seattle drafts, with the fact that it doesn't hurt it doesn't help that Charbonnet is gonna be go coming back from an ACL injury. So like that's gonna be something they're gonna have to deal with. But again, it's just they draft so well, they can go pick up a running back. It's just not because they have to pay JSN, they're gonna have to pay uh the one safety. Uh Kobe. Nope, he's gone. Kobe Bryant's gone too.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

Oh, they let that one go. Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Um, it's the other safety. Why am I forgetting his name? Uh it's the big one. Crap. Uh oh. He's the one that had a good game, too. Uh come on. Nick him and worry. You're gonna have to pay him a you're gonna have to pay him a ton of money too. So like you're gonna have to you have to pay him and you gotta pay JSN. So you have some big contracts you're gonna have to pay to at some point. So I just like you're gonna have to let some guys walk. And it is what it is on that. What? What are you having that face for? I did the video of a dude pulling his own tooth out. Oh, don't no, please. Don't need that. Yeah. No, you uh you made it you kind of made it sound like it was looking like you had like bad news to tell me or something.

SPEAKER_04 25:09

I wanted to get away from that face and toward yours.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Um, but all in all, great, great signing for the Chiefs. I don't feel so bad for the Seahawks. They'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

Yeah, real quick, before we continue with football, we should probably talk about how the board a world baseball classic's going on.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

America fucking around and finding out, losing to Italy, and because then not realizing the fact that they couldn't like not make the next round potentially. But they lucked out that Italy went and won their next game. But, you know, I have you been fuck America.

SPEAKER_04 25:42

Have you watched the Dominican Republic play? They're electric. Them niggas are just having fun. They are real quick. Why isn't normal baseball this fun? All the unwritten rules and all that bullshit. Can we just have this much fun? Not even watching America plays. I'm sitting here like, why the fuck is Austin Wells here? Oh, there's another home run. Like, I I I was so distracted with all the home runs they were hitting. I looked at Austin Wells and went, something ain't right. And then legit, everybody had to they had to explain it. Hey, his mom's Dominican, yeah. Like third generation Dominican, but she's Dominican.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Yep. And everybody just went, there you go. Fuck it. Yeah, we ball.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

Uh and then everybody was on Cal Ray's ass about, hey, you just left your teammate hanging. Yeah. And it's been worse because no one else is doing that shit. Just him. But now he did it last time he played in the world baseball classic. But uh it was um I can't bother to say he plays for the Dominican Republic. No, Mexico. He played for Mexico. I'm not sure. But everybody was always asked about it. I'm like, yeah, you're kind of a dick. There was no need for that. No need for that.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Look, I the world baseball class, uh the American team is actually good too.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

No, they are.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

But when people started freaking out, and I'm like, but here's the thing. When people want to the American baseball team should not be treated like the American basketball team is when it comes to the Olympics.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

No, no, no. The best players in the MOB are Dominican and Japanese. They're not American.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

No, Aaron Judge is considered one of the best players in the MLB, and he is American.

SPEAKER_04 27:17

It's the playoffs. Shut up.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

I don't give a fuck what you're talking about. The last playoffs he was in, he was the best player by a landslide. And he it was because the rest of the dog shit. Yeah, the team was asked. Aaron Judge is number two. He is the best hitting righty in all of baseball.

unknown 27:41

Two is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

What do you mean two is crazy?

unknown 27:44

Two is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

He just won another fucking AL MVP. What the fuck were we talking about? Two is crazy. What would you have him?

unknown 27:54

Not a two.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Obviously, Otani's above him because of obvious reasons.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Now we're just talking about baseball players, like all players. Yeah? Ball schemes. I take him 100 over 100 over Aaron Judge.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

He again, he's a pitcher. He's awesome, but he is not number two. No fucking way. No fucking way.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

Have you seen that man throw? I am understood. If I recall, I watched this nigga strike Judge out in three.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

I don't give two fucks. I don't give two fucks. A pitcher can only go pitch one out of every five nights. One of every five nights, a batter can go out there and have everyday impact. One of those nights is a guarantee. It's literally a fucking like guaranteed impact. It's literally a numbers game. A bat with what Judge can do defensively and offensively is a lot more than what a pitcher can do.

SPEAKER_04 28:42

My nigga. I watched him during the World Series drop the routine flyball. Defensively, my dick. Go. And miss that bitch.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

A lot of players make mistakes.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

On the biggest stage!

SPEAKER_02 28:55

The biggest stage! Paulskins doesn't know such a stage.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

And Judge won't either if he keeps playing like that in the playoffs. He didn't play like that last year.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

Yes, he is. Fuck no. Fuck no. Hell no.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

The men's literally just won a second MVP in a row, dude. What are we talking about here?

unknown 29:17

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Okay. Alright, fine. I don't want to get hung up on this. We still have to switch with football to talk about. But I don't treat the this is my main point about the baseball thing and how people want to start freaking out about if they lose and how they potentially couldn't have made the next round. I don't see we we we as a country should not look at the baseball team.

SPEAKER_04 29:41

The Royals is definitely better.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

No, he's not. No, he's not.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Paul scenes.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

No, he's not!

SPEAKER_04 29:57

No. Like I had it like, hey, he hit a fucking home runs for a catcher, but he's not the MVP.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

No.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Because that's all he let in.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

But no, no.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

No.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Okay. Ronald McCunha is damn close. That Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is damn close.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

No, he's not. No. No, no, no, no, no. My main point, we should not treat the baseball team for the for USA like we treat the basketball team. Because in basketball, the United States is far and away. Again, I get it. Some of the best players in the NBA are players from different countries. But guess what? When they are the best where they're at, guess what they want to do? They want to come to the NBA and come play here. Because all in all, the NBA is the goal. I guess the MLB is the goal too. But it's just the MLB, all their best players are coming from different countries. You're like from a lot of the best players coming from different countries. So I'm just sitting there like, you should not, I don't look at the baseball team and think they should dominate like the basketball team does. I just don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 30:58

I expect a hard fought game.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

And not to mention, no matter how talented you are, if you don't have your shit together, because again, they were a much better team than Italy. Guess what? They didn't come in with their shit straight, and you can get beat by a team that's not as good as you. That's just it's how baseball works. It's just how it works. In other sports, if you are the better team, you most of the time you figure it out. It is, but again, it's a it's a and there's a lot more variants, and I'm just it's all of there's so many other things you have to take into account that it's not just about who's the better talented player or team. So I that so that's how I look at it, and I'm not gonna sit here and freak out about the baseball classic as if like it's like a travesty if they don't get far away.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

And I did not care about the Winter Olympics. I don't know if that's still on. No, it's over. Yeah, I didn't care.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

That's over.

SPEAKER_04 31:46

Uh again, I watched a few clips of like watching some things, but like I know uh the world baseball it's baseball classic time because that's not that's not an every year thing, is it?

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

Is it? I thought it was every two years.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

No, it is every two years. It's two over two years, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Two years because they didn't definitely didn't do it last year.

SPEAKER_04 32:02

Yeah, I know when that's on, it's it's good. I fucking love the world baseball classic.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

No, it's good. That Dominican team is electric, they're having a lot of fun, and it's it's it's a cool, literally a cool thing to watch all these like you know great players that probably aren't gonna be able to do that in the MLB play all together all at once.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Oh, did you see the uh I just think that it's more fun to watch the world baseball classic because none of those fucking bullshit ass unwritten rules. Unwritten rules are gay. Like, I think they're dumb.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

I think the MLB has gotten better. I think it really has. You don't see as many like freak like fights over oh, you shouldn't have flipped your bat that way.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

When Fernando Tatis hit a home run and fucking celebrated it, he got chastised in his own fucking dugout for it.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Yeah, but I that's not happening as much anymore. Like, I feel like that's gotten better at all. It shouldn't bumps, but I'm saying there is some steps forward in that way.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

It's a kid's game. This shit's supposed to be fucking fun, and they make it very unfun.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

I get it, but I think it's gotten better over time. I really do. I do think so.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

I like I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

I don't know. Oh, I will the last thing I want to mention before we get back to football. Um why am I forgetting his name?

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Uh freaking It's for Dominican Republic. Uh Juan Soto.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

They asked Juan Soto after one of the games, she like talked to him and talked about how fun it is. And he do you know what he mentioned as the most fun teams he's ever played for? He mentioned the 2018 team with the Nationals. It's 2018, 2019, 2017? Whatever team it was with the Nationals that he won the championship with, and he mentioned the 24, 2024 New York Yankees as the two funnest most fun teams he's ever played with, and then you added the Dominican team. And it just kind of puts some marked me a little bit. Mike Center, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

So Bro, you could have stayed if you didn't want that extra fucking million dollars, you bitch.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Yeah. He was just it was only a money play when he went to the Mets.

SPEAKER_04 33:49

That scene would be so crazy. Fucking Jazz, Chisholm, Volpe, who is so inconsistent.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

I think Volpe's done. I really don't think he ends up playing.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

We can't lose another we're losing another one.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

No, I don't think we're losing him.

SPEAKER_04 34:01

I think Victorious got amazing on the Tigers.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

Yeah, but he's just not good enough to play a shortstop, man. He's just not consistent enough. For the Yankees now? Chisholm. They moved him to second.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

I thought he was at third.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

They traded for the one the one white dude from the Diamondbacks and had him play third.

SPEAKER_04 34:20

Matt Chapman.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

I don't recall. I forget. I'm not gonna lie to you. But they they traded for somebody and he ended up playing third, so they ended up moving Chisholm to second. But I don't think Volpe can play short. I really don't think so. I think he's probably done, especially when one of our best prospects we have is a shortstop, and he's awesome. And I think he's playing for the Dominican team right now, too. Or am I crazy? I'm not sure about that part. Um, but yeah, so I just think all in all, having him talk about the fact that the Yankees are still one of the teams, because he could have been petty and be like, that's he'd not mention that team at all. But I think it just gives some credence to the idea that that the decision he made to go to the Mets was all about money. But if he really wanted like be with a good team and actually play good, good and fun baseball, he would have stayed with the Yankees. But I think what last thing, I think him leaving the Yankees was a blessing in disguise because the way the Yankees were kind of making that building the team out, obviously they wanted to sign the stars, obviously. And I think they they put a good offer out there for Juan. Juan Soto took a crazy offer that he should have never gotten if the Mets were not as stupid as they were. And I think it forced the Yankees to deal with some issues that they had building the roster wise that they wouldn't have dealt with if they kept him on the roster. It forced him to be like, hey, we probably need to get more pitching. We probably need there's some other we need to get faster on the bases.

SPEAKER_04 35:43

I feel like be able to play fucking small ball. I if I recall the Dodgers during the World Series series, their whole game plan was let's make the Yankees play baseball. If we suck at small ball, we cannot just go fucking we can't get four or five hits an inning and then score one to two runs. We are the big on, hey, in the first three innings, we're going to score five to six runs, and then we are going to do nothing after that.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

And the pitching was what did it because uh the later the games went, it was that was when things kind of because the pitching wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 36:17

Our only pitcher was Cole, and bro would go perfect to fucking seven, seven and a half, and get taken out, and immediately we start losing.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

Right.

SPEAKER_04 36:25

Uh, and it's just it's not working right now.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

And I think they're getting better, they're adding more pitching. Like they they've been forced to like deal with some of those issues, and I think if they've become a more better all-around team in ever since he left. Yeah, no, for sure. We do.

SPEAKER_04 36:43

We'd have to do it in New York.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Yeah, for real.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

Realistically, we could do it in like Cleveland, but or Cincinnati. I don't want to go there either. I mean, if I'm going to Cincinnati, I'm going for a Bengals game.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

We always go to Pittsburgh, go to a Pirates game.

SPEAKER_04 36:56

Uh I'd rather go to Detroit and go to a fucking Tigers game. Because golly, I'm not going back to Pittsburgh. I'll go with Paul Skins is pigeon.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

Oh, of course, of course. He'll just it'll just be it'll be a Yankee at some point. It's fine. Because they won't want to pay him, and then the Yankees will come in and pay him all the money he wants.

SPEAKER_04 37:14

I I think that they may burn the city of Pittsburgh down if they don't pay Paul Skins.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

They might, but you know, there's it hasn't Pittsburgh hasn't changed their philosophy. There's not gonna pay anybody. Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 37:26

But by landslide pirate. And the way like I can name a red, but mostly because that player was so much better without the Reds.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

Because if I think of the Reds, I think of Joey Vado.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 37:39

And they think of a bunch of great players the Red had, didn't want to pay them, and then traded them.

DJ Moore To Buffalo Debate

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Yep, exactly. Exact Amundo. Um, so getting back to football. We talked about the Chiefs getting uh Kenny Walker. I do have to get your it because this kind of happened pre-free agency. DJ Moore getting traded to the Bills? Yeah. You're we never talk about this on pod, you just text me about it. Your first reaction was the fact that you thought the Bills overpaid for more draft pick wise for a dude who's about to be passed to the morning. To get DJ Moore in a fifth is what they got him for. So here's my question for you. Do you think he is a wide receiver one? No, you don't think so?

SPEAKER_04 38:21

He's 31.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

He is 28, dude. He's a lot younger than that.

unknown 38:31

He's DJ 25.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

No, he's 28, my boy.

unknown 38:34

Nah.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

So he's still young. He's still very athletic. And what I think the spot he was in with the Bears was they drafted a wide receiver very high, and they got another wide receiver last year, and I think they were both kind of passing him up in what they want in the offense. And that's Ben Johnson's decision, it is what it is, especially if they can get cheaper at the position now getting rid of him and getting him off the books. It makes a lot of sense. So now, DJ Moore, guess what? He's played with this head coach before because that head coach was his OC in Carolina. So there's Scheme Fit. He's gonna be playing with Josh Allen as his quarterback. And I think it's a really good move. I really do.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

Second this year.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Um, yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

Especially when we're going into a draft that is so deep at wide receiver.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Yes, but guess what? You have to build up again. They have they've proven that they can draft receivers and actually make them good.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

No, them niggas draft Keon Coleman off of this personality.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Exactamundo. Exactly. So here's the thing. I don't think I don't think he is a I don't think Keon Coleman is a total bust. Do you honestly just get the hater out of you for just a second? If you have DJ Moore being your number one, do you think Keon Coleman with a little bit of given time and given a real chance to stay on the field?

SPEAKER_04 40:01

I watched him play. Can't he be an effective number two? I watched him play for two years at Mission State. No, he played next to Jaden Reed, who was one of the better wide receivers in the Big Ten at the time. Yeah, yeah. And he never once got better.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Not being a butt guy, of course. Sorry, I didn't mention it. Huh? Oh sorry.

SPEAKER_04 40:17

What?

SPEAKER_02 40:18

I was saying not be the best wide receiver in the Big Ten, not a butt guy. My bad, my bad, my bad, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

He was one of the better receivers. He actually I think he had more yards than some of your receivers. You know, it is year 12.

unknown 40:33

Fucking again.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

Uh Jaden Reeves was one of the better receivers in the Big Ten at the time. Keon Coleman was not that good. So he moved to the ACC, which is we can both agree, not as good as the Big Ten. Oh no, not as good. By any fucking means.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

And is okay. He has like 800 yards. He was close to like 900, maybe. But he had a fuck ton of touchdowns. And being six foot four makes sense that tracks, but you could not do this in a better division. True. They draft him in the second round because he I don't hate the dude himself, right? But I know he's not that talented. That's why you were out of Michigan State. Yeah. There things correlate. Michigan State is not the best school in the world. True. We are good for three stars and maybe the occasional four-star. Yeah. Jaden Ree was a four-star recruit. Only went there because he's a friend of Peyton Thorne. Uh that's crazy, bro. We weren't even recruiting Peyton Thorne, but we did because he was with Jayden Ree. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Um, Keon Coleman was a three-star who wasn't that good at Michigan State. Yeah, something's fucking wrong here. And then he goes to the ACC, plays worse competition on average per year. And has a good time. So worst DBs, worst defenses, and is great and gets drafted in the second round. He was never that good.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Okay, but can he be an effective two?

SPEAKER_04 41:51

No, what? No. Okay. To me an effective two, he's not that talented. He was never that talented. And it showed in the NFL of he's really not that talented.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

I'm just coming off the idea that now that you have DJ Moore being your number one, being the talented receiver that he is, it takes more pressure off him.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

You have to be of a caliber of player that he is not. Okay, he's not. Just not straight hating. I've watched him play for two fucking years. He doesn't have feet for hands. He ain't really slow. He can kind of he has some move to him. He's just not that talented. Jaden Reed is leagues more talented than he is. In a way that Jaden Reed's probably a foot, he's probably one of the top number twos. And then a really low grade number one. Right? In a pinch. If you need somebody for a year to be your number one, he can do that.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

In a pinch, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

Okay. I'm not again, he is a high tier number two because he's small, real quick, run good routes.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

Great for a nice slot number two. And then if you need a number one, he can do that for a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Don't worry, he's playing with the Packers. They don't know how to get a number one receiver.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

They don't know how to fucking receivers. They'll just keep drafting them. One of them work.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

They're all number twos.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

They're all number twos. How the fuck do you Christian Watson is like 50-50, maybe? Some games he's a number one. If he's healthy.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

If he's healthy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

Again, I just don't think he's talented enough.

unknown 43:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

And I'm not saying he has good size, he has decent speed, he can run okay routes, his hands are pretty good. He's just not that talented.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Hey, okay. Well I was just trying to have a little hope.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

Because again, I just like I just I I just don't believe he's that talented.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

This is a new position might lay them up in it. Okay, so the DJ Moore thing. And I get I guess this is the time, right?

Max Crosby Trade Meltdown

SPEAKER_03 43:44

Nah, man. Max Crosby. Yeah, bam.

SPEAKER_02 43:47

Nope. I think it's Max Crosby time. This is because this is one of the bigger things before we get into everything else. The the new week before, this was on the Friday before, because I think this was not the last Friday, literally. Um Came out, Max Crosby was getting traded to the Ravens in exchange for this year's second round pick from the Ravens, which was pick 14, and then next year's first round pick. And getting him, everybody was going crazy about how the Ravens are now making themselves good. I was very worried. I sent you the pick of Joe Burrow on the white couch with all the great uh defensive ends that's gonna be coming after him.

SPEAKER_04 44:24

I mean, there's Miles Garrett and Max Crosby. I don't know who else was up there.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

TJ Watt, don't fuck around.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

How many sacks did he have last year?

SPEAKER_02 44:32

He don't fuck around.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

How many sacks?

SPEAKER_02 44:36

He had sacks. He had like 12 sacks.

unknown 44:41

Great.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

He's an all-time great pass rusher. Don't do this, bro. Don't do it. Please, bro, please, please, please, please. I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight today. Okay, so Max Crosby, big news.

SPEAKER_04 44:55

That's not casting couch. I don't know. I've seen the normal photo. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck that's from.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Um, so how I look at it is that it in for three days everybody was talking about how good the Ravens are gonna be. They finally have a closer on defense to add, and now they have a defensive coach. On top of fact with Lamar and all of that. So, all in all, people were freaking out. And then on Monday night, Tuesday night, no, it was same night as the same night as the uh as the BAM night, so that was on Monday. Um, same night the Raiders tweet out that the Ravens had backed out on the trade and that the trade wasn't happening, and then it sent everybody into a frenzy. Was it about Max Crosby's medical? Is this the Ravens getting cold feet? La da la da da. People are freaking out, and then the Pieto Resistance, what the icing on top of this shit cake is on the month the day after news comes out that the Ravens have had signed Trey Hendrickson to a, I think two-year, I think it was a four-year deal. Trey Hendrickson contract. He got a four-year,$112 million deal with the Baltimore Ravens, um, which can reach$120 with incentives, including$60 million in guarantees. So this was a little icing on top, right? And this is why was because everybody knew about Max Crosby's injury, the meniscus injury that he had, that he had surgery on, okay. So what the Ravens have said is that it was a medical reason, is that they looked at they had their doctors look at him and they saw something they didn't like, and that because of that, they didn't feel good about giving them giving the Raiders the two first-round picks for him. So that's why they decided to back out on the deal, which is something that could happen because even if you agree to the con agree to the deal before the league year started, the league year didn't start didn't start until Wednesday of this past week. So that's a lot of time until you can because both do you know how the how it works when you do trades? Is that when the two teams decide they want to do a trade, they both have to send the same exact paperwork to the NFL with the same exact terms, and that's when the NFL ratifies a trade and makes it real. So that prospect that process could not happen until Wednesday. So even with them agreeing to that trade on Friday, that's a lot of time for the Ravens to get Max Crosby in and say they don't like it, and then I think they had cold fucking feet. Maybe the meniscus was worse than they thought.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

I think it was as expensive.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

I think all in all, the meniscus may have been a little worse than they thought, but I think this is some fuck shit the Ravens did because they looked at it and said, hey, why would we get a guy, give up two first-round picks for a guy that didn't pay him 40 million, 30? Because they're gonna give him a pay raise when they when they get him over, give him close to 40 million dollars a year if he's gonna be on a little bit of a bum knee, when there's Trey Henderson sitting out there gonna be at a discount, and then we don't have to give up our two first-round picks to get him, and let's just say he's 80% of the player Max Crosby is a little bit old, like three years older. Why would we do all that? That's what I fucking think happened. I because every the Ravens are making this very clear, it was about the injury, but everybody knew about the injury. You got to talk to his doctors beforehand, and I'm just sitting there like this is some scummy shit that they did. And people that wanted to fight for the Ravens say, oh, they didn't do anything wrong, this is not against the rules. But my the way I think about it is that if a player did this to a team, how would everybody feel about the player? Everybody would shit on the player if the player did something like this and agreed to a deal and then decided to renege and then go back to a different team and not go through all with it. So I just think, all in all, if a player would get screwed over by doing this exact same thing, then the team should take some shit too for doing what they did. Because I think that what the Ravens did was scummy. Even though I do understand what they did, I understand the idea that why we give up multiple first-round picks for a guy that may be a little bum knee, when we can get a guy cheaper and not have to give up our first round picks for it, and we can get 85, 80 to 85% of that same player. I just don't know. And I just think that the I just I would I would I feel better about it if the Ravens were just fucking honest. I felt like if they just said, hey, we because again, the Ravens have been living off of one of the best run organizations for the past 20 years. Like that's what they live off of that reputation. Huh? Like the students. No, because the rave the everybody looks at the Ravens so they're better, they're betterly ran because their ownership's willing to spend money. Which I'm which is not wrong. Um I'm but again, they've been eating off of that um what is the what is the um reputation for years. But what they did, that was not what what a team with a good reputation does. If the Raiders did some stupid shit like that, they're like, oh, that's that's some that's that tracks, that's the Raiders, right? So I think the Ravens deserve to get some shit handed their way because they did some scummy shit that you probably shouldn't do. And I just think that anybody that wants to paint it as anything different is stupid. Or you're a huge Ravens fan that doesn't want to doesn't want to like take any shots as your team not being as well ran as you want to say it is.

SPEAKER_04 50:20

I think it just happens to everybody. I think I kind of understand getting cold feet when he isn't the healthiest edge rusher in the world.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

But again, he played he was playing on the meniscus injury all year last year, which probably didn't make it better. No, which probably I would scare me too, but the back happened. But you knew about it. You knew about that, you knew about that surgery. There was no way he was gonna pass a physical at that point. So, like, how are you gonna pass him on a physical when you knew what he's coming off the injury? He was coming off the surgery yet like a two months before that, so he would be healthy by next season, by the time next season started, but they were talking about, oh, but he wouldn't be good years from now, and that's what makes giving up two first-round picks for him. But here's the thing the news never came out that they tried to talk to the Raiders and say, hey, what about instead of two first because of the injury? What if we give you a first and a second? The Ravens didn't try to negotiate, they just said, nah, we're good, we're gonna return this. It's like buying an open box at Best Buy and not liking what you get. You knew it was an open box. Like, that's like like so. I just I think what the Ravens did was real scummy, and I think you like they have to own it. I think fans have to own it.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

I agree. No, I I completely agree with you. Uh I would prefer y'all have Max Crosby over Trey Henderson. That hurt my soul a little more.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Now let's get to the Trey Henderson part of that. Uh did it hurt seeing him in photos and a Ravens uniform?

SPEAKER_04 51:38

The amount of money they gave him, I sat back and I was like, we could have given him that.

SPEAKER_02 51:41

He was looking, the the Bengals offered him 33. And he wanted more. And now he's taking a di- Again, he was never gonna take a discount and stay with the Bengals. I think that shit, that ship sailed. That ship sailed.

SPEAKER_04 51:56

I saw the deal and I was like, we offered you more.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

And you said no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:00

And my brain goes, You really should fuck with the bangles.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Again, they made him wait for so many years, dude. They fucked around with it.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

I'm not disagreeing with that, but it still hurts. Like, bro, we could have kept you.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

You could have gotten paid more, and we could have been, we could have stayed together forever.

SPEAKER_04 52:16

God damn, the bangles are now making like I guess like okay signings. Letting Osai go doesn't make sense to me. He was starting to play really well. Again, if you really don't if you don't believe in him that much, hey, we have this thing called the franchise tag. You didn't fucking use. Throw it out there on him.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:33

Because he's he ended the year with like five, six sacks. Yeah. Like he improved mightily. I get it. And it was just like, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

I just it hurt a little bit. It did.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

And it's more of the fact of now you have to see him twice a year. He really just didn't want to be on the bangles that bad.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Oh, yeah, no. Again, I get but you we have to understand, like, that was gonna be a given.

SPEAKER_04 52:56

And I understand if Joe Burrow requests a trade.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

I I I I can't wait until you have to watch Trey Hendrickson take down Joe Burrow. And like I told you before the podcast started, I can't it's gonna be a thug tier that comes out when you have to watch that happen.

SPEAKER_04 53:11

She's gonna take him down, and then Trey Hendricks, she's gonna help him up. Yeah. Because Trey Hendrickson's a good fucking guy. Yeah. He's just that nice of a guy. He's gonna reach his hand down and help Joe Burrow back. Yeah, he's gonna make sure you don't grab the knee. He's gonna say with an away. He's gonna like kind of grab by the drive drop by the page.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

He's gonna be nice about it.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

Oh, yeah, it's gonna piss me off. Man, I'd rather you just mole his ass over.

AFC East Moves And Quarterbacks

SPEAKER_02 53:33

Uh let's get to some of the other some of the other moves that happen in free agency here. Um, let's see. Do you want to do it by team? You just want to go through run through teams and do the main ones. We'll start with the AFC East Buffalo Bills, re-sign Kyle Allen, um, DJ Morbo, like you already talked about. They got Bradley Chubb on a three-year-five$43.5 million deal. Good deal. He's hurt a lot, but again, he's a very effective pass rusher. Put him on the other side of Joe of uh Joey Bosa. Very, very good pass rush that you could have.

SPEAKER_04 54:08

Joey Bosa ended up being a good decent sign.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

Oh, he was very good last year. Very good, I have to give him the money they gave him. And he was healthy. He actually had a really good healthy season and played all the year. Yeah, they let literally most of their defense, let their secondary, all of them shits are gone. And again, they have bad. They were all bad. Now they have an offensive head coach, like they're gonna put more and more into their offense than the other defense. It is what it is, but it's just the defense, as much money as they put into it, was not good last year. So getting rid of all those guys on the back end was definitely a good way to go. Um, Dolphins, this is probably one of the bigger ones. Malik Willis signed a three-year$67.5 million deal with$45 million fully guaranteed. Includes a$22.5 million signing bonus with a$2 million March 2028 boss roster bonus and a$20.5 million 2028 salary. So they not only let go of Tua, which means they're gonna be eating$95 million against your cap for the next two years. So they're splitting it up. I think it's$55 this year and then like a$40 next year.

SPEAKER_03 55:13

Still, it's so much money.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

To not play with you, your you're do you have that much money against your cap is insane that they ugh, it's gross.

SPEAKER_04 55:21

But I'm not eating that, dude. I can't, dude. I'm fucking, we're thugging it out. You're not playing, but we're about to thug it out.

SPEAKER_02 55:27

Nah, they decided to eat it, man. Again, I get it. Like you're trying to build a new team altogether. So I wasn't surprised when Lake Willis chose to go to Miami.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

I was just like I'm not. Nice weather.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

I guess you haven't spent the last few years of your career in Green Bay. So you get a lot better. Before that, Tennessee. Tennessee's not a bad place to play football at in good good weather.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

No, the fucking not!

SPEAKER_02 55:57

It's not as bad as Green Bay.

SPEAKER_04 55:58

But it's not good weather.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Yeah, I get it. Football-wise, it didn't make sense to me. Because all you have is waddle. And you have a defensive head coach now.

SPEAKER_04 56:09

I'm in Miami. Life's good.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

But I will say the defensive head coach is the same DC that you were playing. We were on the same team. The DC from there was at Miami before he ended up being the head coach for the uh for Green Bay. So maybe there's a little bit of familiarity there. You know what you're looking for. The coach knows what he's getting out of you. Green Bay. No, before Green Bay, where he got drafted the Titans, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:34

They drafted him and Lavis.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

Um yeah. Back-to-back years, actually. No, they drafted both of them.

SPEAKER_04 56:41

They're on the same draft.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

Yeah, they drafted him both.

SPEAKER_04 56:46

They play let him play a little bit, but not exact amount though. Because everybody was kind of like, hey, there's a high chance. He's probably the best quarterback in the draft.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

Uh, because I think after him it was Lewis, and Levis was That was a picket draft, too.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:06

And he had the most physical tools, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Yeah, but he wasn't a good enough polished quarterback yet. And he's turned himself into that. Like, and he had like four starts last year. He played fairly well, and people looked at him and said, hey, maybe he could be like the next like cheap quarterback that could turn into something. And again, I think the I think Miami has this spot where they have now have to now eat almost a hundred million dollars worth of cap money because of of dead cap hit because of Tua. And you get Malik Willis and figure out if he's gonna be your guy long term or not. And then if not, a couple years like either next year or the year after, you'll be drafting a quarterback and you'll be ready to start from start from uh makes me angry. You'll have to start fresh.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

Imagine being six foot four and somebody making look making you look small.

SPEAKER_02 57:52

Yeah, kind of funny how that goes on. So I just think it's a good signing. I think I think a good signing for Malik Willis, he'll find out whether he can be the guy or not in a starting spot. I think for Miami, they really didn't have any other options anyway. Getting Malik Willis is at least an interesting option. And when you have to go face the teams you have to face in the AFC East, having a quarterback that can make some plays outside of the structure of the offense will be a very good spot. And not to mention, Malik Willis has a cannon of an arm. So he'll he will not have a problem with the elements like Tua did if it's too windy out or if it's too cold and not being able to throw the football the way you need to. Malik Willis is not going to have that issue.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

Especially because he planned it. He played at Liberty.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

Yeah, Liberty, and then he played at Green Bay and was able to do what he needed to do there. So, like, all in all, I think he is a they'll I think they'll have a chance to make it work there. Um, Dolphins outside of that, Tutu, they signed Tutu Atwell, Greg Dolchich. Um not really, not anything else. Knew they traded uh um Kit Minka to the Saints. Nope. Worse, much worse. The fucking Jets. And during his introductory press conference, somebody got a still picture of him. The man did not look happy. I feel so bad for him. I feel so fucking bad. I feel so bad. He doesn't deserve this. He's too good of a person to be going through the problems he's going through right now. I feel bad. It just sucks that he has to be sent to an even worse situation than the Miami. It's gross, man. It's so gross.

SPEAKER_04 59:26

It's worse than the fact that it gets worse than Miami.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Yeah, no doubt. No, no, because there's like the Jets don't even have a way out.

SPEAKER_01 59:37

Like, they're stuck.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

That's a whole they traded for uh Gino. I feel bad for Gino. I don't again, he did not play well last year at all. He was ass. But like, I don't think like your worst enemy shouldn't have to go back to the Jets, man. That's just that's gross.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

No, no, no. That I feel bad about. I'm sorry you're back here. They fucked your career for probably about eight years. Yeah, no doubt. And then everybody wrote you off as a bust when you probably weren't ever really that bad. Right. You were the number one overall quarterback for a reason. Yeah. You were just on the Jets. Same thing happened to Sam Darnold. If you were never that bad, you were just on the fucking Jets.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:13

Uh there's I think the Jets have proven they've ruined a bunch of players' careers that actually could play.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Yeah. Good for those players to leave their team and go actually. Go do something.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Uh Patriots uh signed Elijah Vera Tucker, offensive lineman. Makes a lot of sense, helps out their biggest weakness as a team. Um they signed Romeo Dobbs to a four-year,$70 million contract, especially when they let um Stephon Diggs go. Getting Romeo Dobbs to be your number one receiver, huge help, especially since you know what you have in um Drake May. Know he's a great quarterback. He needs a receiver to be able to rely on. Great pickup. And they also signed uh defensive line with Draymond Jones, Buckeye, to a three-year,$39.5 million deal. Get a pass rusher to help out your team. Definitely a huge deal. They still have a need at defensive line. I think they do need to get more pass rushers, but I think it's definitely a good deal. And they also signed Kevin Byard to help out the back end of their defense. Jets, Geno Smith, like we already said, sucks that he has to go back. Uh they got a seventh round pick in Geno Smith in exchange for a sixth round pick. Ugh, gross.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

I feel so bad.

unknown 1:01:23

I don't feel bad for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

Uh the Brees Hall, already talked about this the last spot, but they gave him the franchise tag. I don't think anybody's actually gonna try to sign him. So I think Brees Hall's gonna be stuck with the New York Jets as well. Feel bad for him, but it is what it is. He's a running back, so they're gonna tag you multiple times. Huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

I do feel bad for him. He's actually a very good running back. He's awesome. And he's stuck with the Chiefs. He's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:43

Do you know, like the Chiefs, do you know what they'd give up for Brees Hall? Like Brees Hall, as much as a Kenneth Walker is a good running back, Brees Hall is a different, like Brees Hall is closer to um he's closer to the top end running backs than what anything Kenneth Walker can do right now. Come on, I know you love Kenneth Walker. But Brees Hall is like he looks like Saquon when he's out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:11

I don't know about that statement. That's a crazy statement.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:14

With how he plays, catching the football out of the backfield, being able to run the footballs effectively as he can do everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:24

Anyone else that the the Jets made a lot of moves, but it's just is their team gonna be they did this last year where they were they made the most moves just to still be hot dog shit.

Ravens Edge Rush And Bengals Fallout

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

Jelani Woods, uh Dylan Parham, offensive guard, Max Mitchell, Joseph Osai, we talked about him earlier. Um Tavondre Sweat got him in a trade with the Tennessee Titans, definitely gonna help out their defensive line. Demario Davis, good linebacker to sign, and then Menka, like I already said, going to the AFC North Ravens, Tyler Huntley, quarterback, signed, resigned him, good for him. Trey Henderson, like we said, uh Woozier, you know that guy, he's signing with the Ravens as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:14

No crazy set. Yeah, with the Bengals for a year.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:25

Oh, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:27

Remember, he just turned out to be pretty good or not.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

Oh, he was with the Bolt he was Baltimore last year. Baltimore last year, the year before it was Tennessee, and then it was the Bengals. He started with his year, he started his career with the Cowboys, went to you guys, then switched to the Tennessee and Baltimore, and now he's with. No, you see, they said they re-signed him. Um Bengals signed Orlando Brown Jr. to a two-year contract extension.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:54

That's fine, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

Um signed guard Dalton Reisner to a one-year deal. That's not bad. Signed Edge Boye Mafe to a three-year$60 million deal.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:04

That's not bad. He was from the Seahawks. Yes. That's actually not bad at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Um signed defensive lineman Jonathan Allen to a two-year$26 million deal. He's gonna eat up space and stop the run game, which is gonna be good. Um signed cornerback Jalen Davis, re-signed him on a one-year deal. I might I don't even know that guy is. And then you signed safety Brian Cook on a three-year 40 and a half, 40.25 million. Jalen Davis?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:31

Yeah. You know, like teams released the thing, oh, we signed this player. Uh-huh. First comment is who is this nigga? Who the fuck is that? Can you click on Jalen Davis and tell me who the fuck he is?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

Apparently he was on your team last year. They re-signed him, so he was already there. He's 30. Uh I'm saying total what he did last year. He had less than 10 tackles.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

Nat.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:03

Who is this man?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

He had seven tackles total last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:06

I don't know who this is.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

Why is that somebody you need to list? But I guess I depends on the list that I saw. And then safety Brian Cook. Three year 40.25 million dollar deal. 18 million a year one. Good safety. It's a good safety. It does take away the idea of Caleb Downs. Like, why would you sign him if you're if you're gonna go get Caleb?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:25

Dumb. That's why.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

I think maybe they're saving them. There's I think if Caleb does drop to them, I think they'll take him anyway. Yeah, high chance he doesn't, but you know it is what it is. So how do you feel so far about again?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:42

They I think they have not signed enough linemen.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

They address they address their defense, added some pieces, added a added a guard.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:51

Again, you have not signed. You need more. Oh, you need so much more. Right guard so bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:59

Um, you're not

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Wrong.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Re-signing Orlando Brown, I don't think it's what I think what Reiter Reisner's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

He's gonna be the right guard, most likely.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:06

That's fine. I I don't hate the Orlando Brown signing. Left tackles are not easy to come by. Nope.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

Unless you're gonna pay and pay him 27 million.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:14

Yes. Orlando Brown's been fine if you guys are going after a left tackle in the draft.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

If there's a left tackle y'all see late in the I know, but you have a right tackle that'll end up being your left tackle, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

I think they may start to understand like, hey, Marius Mims may not Amarius Mims may not work as the left tackle. I think somebody's noticed that and been like, eh, I was probably looking at something.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:38

He's not athletic enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:39

But there's not many left tackles that are like pick ten worthy.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

No, not this year. Not this year.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:45

In a way that maybe a early second round left tackle may be something I I if y'all shoot for something like that, yeah, and then see if you can give that time, that guy time time to develop over the next it was a three-year deal. Two years. Again, I'm okay with that. Give him two years, see if he can develop into something better. If not, then you go sign a guy. But by the end of the first year, you can tie offensive tackles are either they work or they don't. There's no by the end of the first year, if you see he's not working out, go sign a left tackle and then fucking eat whatever's left on Oregon Brown's contract.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

Yeah. No doubt.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:20

And if this is how you guys plan on doing it, but I need more secondary signings.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:27

I I need y'all to like really splash a DB, because I don't really see many DBs coming out that I want either.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

You could get us, you could get a really good corner at 10. Um Mansoor Delane, the corner from LSU. Really? He's like he's like the number one on one. Like he if you want a man-a-man corner, he's it. Like he's the number one guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:53

I don't think we need a man-a man corner in this fucking division.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

Yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:58

I'll get two.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:59

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:00

Who the fuck's going to play man-to man against goddamn DK Mat.

Steelers Aggressive Shopping Spree

SPEAKER_02 1:08:04

You have two receivers to have to deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers now. No, no, we're gonna get to get to that. I'll I'll let you be surprised when I tell you. I'll let you be surprised. Yeah, we did.

unknown 1:08:17

I remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:20

Um we'll get to the Browns first, then we'll talk about the Steelers. Um Steelers now. I'm excited to talk about the Steelers. Why not? We traded for Michael Pittman. Michael Pittman Jr. We traded a 2020-picked up another big ass receiver. But as a number two, he's fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:39

Yeah, but you don't have a like, I don't think DK's a bona fide number one.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:43

He's a lower tier number one now. But again, if you but again, if you could let DK Metcalf either run the short rap.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:49

Bro, y'all about to just fucking throw up jump balls. Rodgers, all you gotta do is start out this deep.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

Oh, this definitely this does tell me that Rodgers. Yeah, no doubt. It's gonna be Rodgers because I don't think they put this much into the offense if there's gonna be Will Howard going to be your quarterback. I think he's the backup plan, though. If Rogers says no, if Rodgers doesn't, if Rodgers doesn't come back, I think they'll go with Will Howard and see if they can figure something out with him, especially with now having an offensive head coach. You can try to figure it out that way. But I think getting Michael Pittman, especially when you only gave up a sixth-round pick in exchange for him and a seventh, like it's a pick swap. You didn't even actually give up like a true big, like a big pick. And then they sign him to a three-year,$59 million deal.

unknown 1:09:37

That's a good deal.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:38

That's a good that's a solid deal. It's a solid deal. He's 28 years old, he's still young, and again, he may not be the most explosive receiver out there, but he can run good routes.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:46

But I believe his biggest problem is hey, I have no quarterback. Throw me the football. And like, because we he did well with Daniel Jones. Yeah, but me and you were always on the fence of like, hey, he's not exactly a number one, but he's a really, really, really, really, really good number two. Yeah, no doubt. He's a low tier one, mid-tier when he was a little younger. Uh-huh. But right now he's a low tier one. But again, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:10

As a two, I think he'll be a good compliment to DK Metcalf. I do. Do I think we still need probably a slot that has some real speed to be a little bit more of a burner? Probably. And that will give us some flexibility. Maybe do it in the draft, or maybe figure something out long term with somebody um in the free agency. But I think it's a good pickup. Um, Steelers also signed Rico Dowdle two years ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:35

That's a good fucking signing. Yeah. 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:38

Again, losing Kenneth Gain, well, it sucked, but I also think that Rico Dowdle can run between the tackles a lot better.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:44

I think he's a fucking upgrade by like a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Yeah, especially since we don't need him to be our most pass catching receiver on the team because now we have two good receivers on the team. So I think getting Rico Dowdle will be a better between the uh I think is a great complement to what we have in Jalen Warren. So I think really good signing. Gave him$12 million. I think they actually spent some good money on him. Good deal. Um signed off tackle Jack Driscoll. I'm not sure even sure who that is, but he's a good backup guy. Resigned Cam Hayward to a 32 million two-year$32 million contract,$16 million fully guaranteed.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:20

Give that man his respect. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

He is, but he's older, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

I'm just like he's retiring a Steeler. Let him retire. No, no doubt. No doubt. You've said it a hundred times. He's the last of the old Steeler regime. Oh, yeah. Let him retire. No, for sure. For sure. I like how much would it have hurt you to see that motherfucker leave and go become a fucking bangle? Oh, I'd kill myself. Like, it's it's literally that's a gut blow.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

Especially as him being a buckeye and a steeler. That's like that's like my guy. That's what I'm saying. And the fact they wouldn't give him a deal earlier. Again, he looked, he was looking for the extension last year when he had just signed one the year before.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:55

So like again, uh, kind of make the decision of hey, this is probably it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:00

No, I get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:01

I'm probably done in the next three to four years.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

And the Steelers gave it to him. They find they came, hey, right time, right place. Come back, we'll give you your deal, and this will be probably the last deal he gets as an NFL player.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:10

Um I'm happy to see him stay as a stealer. I respect him a lot. I think he's just been a great dude. Uh so I respect him.

Browns Pour Money Into O-Line

Colts Bet Big On Daniel Jones

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

Other deals. Um, we also got Jamel Dean. Jamil Dean, Jamel Dean. Um, the to a three-year$36.75 million contract. He was a corner for the Buccaneers. One of the best cover corners out there. So to put him on the other side of JPJ, I think it's a great deal. And along with signing Asante Samuel Jr., gave him a one-year, four million dollars deal so he can be our slot corner. And a little sprinkle on top. We signed safety Jaquan Brisker to a one-year$5.5 million deal. That deal happened yesterday. I think it's going to be another good safety to have on the other side of um uh Jalen Ramsey. I think this has been the most active the Steelers have been in free agency in a long fucking time. I think ever, honestly, as a Steelers fan, and they're really trying to upgrade that team. I like we said before, this is a forecast that Aaron Rodgers is coming back. I don't think they're doing all this if they're if Aaron Rodgers is not coming. So I think, in as much as I think Aaron Rodgers is an old-ass quarterback, we shouldn't be bringing back, I think all in all, he can be a let me see. I think with better players around him, he can still be a relatively useful passer. And I have to give him a little bit of credit that even through breaking his left wrist, he still played and was out there battling. And I think I think the team likes him all in all. So as long as him and um Mike McCarthy can figure it out and like really come together again, because again, the last time they were on both on the same team together, it kind of ended like shit. So I just think all in all, I think the Steelers had a great free agency, and I think this gives the Steelers a lot of um flexibility in this upcoming draft to honestly go just literally draft the best player you could possibly get and help out your team that way rather than having to go into a draft be like, we have to get a player at this position or we'll have nothing else. So I just think all in all the Steelers have had one of the more active free agencies, and I've had a lot of fun watching it. I'm not gonna lie to you. And does this make me have hope that we'll be able to get Pat farther in the playoffs next year? Probably not. But but you know, it is what it is. I think I have to, to some degree, accept the idea that my team is never just gonna give up and suck for a year, just not how they not how they operate. So with that being the case, at least they're getting players to make the team more fun and to be more competitive on a week in week out basis. And I have to I have to be at least be cool with that if they're not gonna be willing to suck for a year. That's it. That's all I got. Um Browns uh brought in Titus Howard in a trade with Houston Texans in exchange for a 2026 fifth round pick. And then also gave him a 30, a three-year, 63 million dollar deal. They needed to rebuild that offensive line. They kind of built it up to a point it was like one of the best O lines, and then over the last couple years it has been like getting older and kind of breaking out, breaking apart at the seams. So they traded for him, gave him a deal, got three other linemen as well, um, including, including Elton Jenkins to a two-year,$24 million deal. Um, also signed Zion Johnson, the he was the guard from I think the Chargers gave him a three-year$49 million deal. So like they really are putting all their money into making their off the line a lot better, which kind of makes a lot of sense because their defense is pretty much set, and they probably don't have a quarterback, it'll probably be Shador. But whatever quarterback you have back there, you're gonna have to uh protect them to a certain degree. So getting the these offensive line definitely helps out the bank, the uh sorry, the Browns. Let's see. Houston, David Montgomery traded for him for offensive lineman, Drew Scruggs in a 2026 fourth round pick and a 2027 seventh round pick. Awesome trade for them. He's gonna be a perfect um I think they're trying to make their own Sonic and Knuckles kind of pairing with him and the young running back they drafted from USC. So I think it's gonna be a good one. Not to mention, I think Montgomery is still a number one back. And over the last couple years, he has been not giving, not given all the carries that a usual one would have. So I think it is gonna be a great uh great way for Houston to find a running game to help out CJ Stroud and not have all the pressure on his shoulders to have to throw the football all the time. So I think it was a great trade. Um they re-signed Dalton Schultz, re-signed Trent Brown, re-signed Daniil Hunter to a one-year$40 million extension, include um$30 million guaranteed in a signing bonus. Um they signed Reed Blankinship from the Eagles. I think he's a dog safety. Like he's gonna make their defense so much better. Um, not the best uh cover guy, but if you need a guy to blow up uh any plays that happen on the back end, he'll be able to. Um and then Brisan Fairbearron, their kicker, did a lot of good moves. To the Colts, Daniel Jones signed a two-year$88 million deal that can be worth up to a hundred million dollars with incentives, and then it includes sixty million dollared, with fifty of it being in year one. So, do you agree with the Colts giving Daniel Jones that much money?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:54

I'm not gonna cab with you, do they have another option?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

Kyler was on the market.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:00

Yeah, do you really want to deal with that?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:04

I think Kyler is a better player than Daniel Jones.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:06

I think Daniel Jones is cheaper.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:09

No, he's not. Not this year.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:10

Not this year.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:11

Kyler's gonna be playing for 1.5.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:13

What about the year after?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:14

If he balls out, then you have to pay him.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:16

And then you're in the same position as fuck Cardinals. No, I think it was a much better idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:20

Again, but Daniel Jones coming off of a torn Achilles, though. And Daniel Jones is a quarterback that can't just not run. Like he has to be able to running has to be part of his game, or you're not gonna get the best of what Daniel Jones is. So I just think they were kind of strong armed into it, but it it is what it is. Um I wouldn't I don't think Daniel Jones is bad. And I think when he was playing healthy last year, I think they played very well, and I think he was balling out, but I don't know. They might live to regret giving him that much money, but you know, like you said, they really didn't have a choice with what was the options out there. This is the this is the signing that I thought was insane. They signed re-signed Alec Pierce, their wide receiver, to a four-year$114 million deal. This one's kind of crazy for a dude that really ain't that$84 million in guarantees with$60 million fully guaranteed at signing. Again, Alec Pierce is a great big play receiver. I really do think so. Like he's but like, has he shown enough for me to think? Like, do you know that's the most money any wide receiver assigned in a free agent contract? Like, as a free agent? That's the most money given to a wide receiver in a free agent contract ever. And I'm like, Alec Pierce ain't that guy. Like, again, maybe they know something we don't about how like he has a route tree or something, but from what we were seeing from him for the most of the time in his NFL career so far, it was getting fucking deep balls. So like maybe they're gonna turn him into an all-around receiver that's gonna run a lot more routes, but it's just like I get it, Alec Pierce is a very fast white guy, but like if he was a black dude doing what he was doing, would he be that impressive?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:03

He'd be an average receiver.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:05

That's what I'm saying. So I'm just like, why are they giving him that much money?

unknown 1:20:08

I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

It doesn't make any sense to me they gave him that much money. It doesn't make any sense. Um, none of their other signings really make all that much difference to me. Jaguars have done nothing. Um, Titans. Mitch Trubisky's are gonna be their backup, signed a two-year deal. They signed Wandale Robinson from the I think he played with the Giants. Yeah. They signed Wandale Robinson to a Robinson to a four-year,$78 million deal with$38 million guaranteed. I think it's a good deal. Give them an actual receiver to kind of help out uh Cam Moard. Because Wandale can play in the NFL. He's done very good in the NFL so far. Um signed, let's see. Tight a couple tight ends, a guard, a center. They signed Jermaine Johnson, they got him in a trade with the Jets for Travon J. Sweat.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:06

I believe the Jets are gonna win that trade.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:11

You think so?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:11

Sweat's younger and his contract's cheaper.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:14

That's true, but I think that with the Tennessee, the way they changed their defense, they needed Robert Salah wanted him.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:21

They wanted Johnson because Robert Salah made him the player he was.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:28

No, Jermaine Johnson was playing with the Jets? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

Yeah, sorry, my bad.

AFC West Deals And Raiders Spending

SPEAKER_02 1:21:34

My apologies, sir. My apologies. My apologies. I think he likes having a a more quick, agile defensive end, and I think he fits that, obviously, having him before fits that his defense perfectly. So, no, I agree. I think you're right, Sweat might be a better player. And a little bit cheaper. But you know, it is what it is. Sometimes fits what is what matters the most, right? Um, and then they also signed cornerback Elante Taylor from the Saints. Really good say a really good uh corner, three year$60 million deal,$42 million guaranteed. I think it's a very good uh signing as well. AFC West, we got the Broncos re-signing J.K. Dobbins. They really didn't do shit. Ugh, gross. Chiefs, we signed, we already talked about Kenneth Walker, Taekwondo, Kelsey. They do they did sign Kharis Tonga, who was the defensive lineman from the Patriots. Good defensive tackle to add on to the defense, try to get after the quarterback a little bit more. And then they also signed Alani Gilman, who is the safety from oh, from the um Ravens. So that's also a very pretty good deal as well to kind of help their back end of their defense, which kind of got taken over by players leaving in free agency. Raiders, they also okay. This is the part where the Raiders, when um the Max Crosby shit is kind of a little bit messy, was because they traded him thinking that his money was gonna be coming off the books, and then now that they have him back, the Raiders were one of the were one of the most like active teams in free agency, signing a whole bunch of players, and now you they have to worry about having um to fit all this money in all together in their cap and not having an issue. So, like the Raiders, they signed Connor Hayward the tight end to a two-year$5.5 million deal. Sucks to see him go. I did like seeing the brothers be able to play to get play together on the Steelers, but again, with as much money as we have in our tight end room, paying him$5.5 million. Yeah, no doubt. You have to use him on top of the fact they're actually gonna start using Firemooth again like they need to, it was definitely a huge deal. Um, they signed Jalen Naylor to a three-year,$35 million deal. Adding a receiver for Fernando Mendoza to come in and be able to throw to was definitely gonna be a big deal for them to have. Um, they signed center Tyler Lindenbaum to a Linderbaum to a three-year$81 million deal, it's like$27 million a year guarantee, like uh$27 million a year. That's a lot of fucking money, and I think they did have to overpay to get him because it's a kind of a shitty situation with the Raiders, especially when he could have just gone back to the Ravens and been with a good team. But I don't know if he's that much better than every other center in the fucking NFL. But again, it is what it is, like they just they want to have this team as well built around Fernando when they draft him as possible. And I think having a good center you can rely on for years to come is definitely gonna be a big good way to start that off for Fernando as a rookie quarterback. Uh they signed Nicobe Dean from the Eagles to a three-year,$36 million deal. Very good pass rusher, get after everybody. He's very quick. Sideline to sideline, he's a guy you really can't get away from. They also signed Quay Walker to a three-year,$40 million deal. Good signing. He's insanely good uh linebacker. Um, signed corner, actually traded for Teron Johnson from the Buffalo Bills. He's older, not as good, but he's gonna be able to help out the defense because the defense was awful last year. They signed Eric Stokes to a three-year,$30 million deal. Another corner that I think they could put a little bit more on. A little bit older, though. I think he's no he's 27. He's a little bit younger than I thought. Uh, but also to help out a defense that was awful last year for the Raiders. Chargers, Keaton Mitchell signed him as a running back. Big help. They Alex Ingold. Alec Ingold, that was the other uh fullback I was thinking of, um, signed him to a two-year$7.5 million deal. And then signed a bunch of offensive linemen to help out their team, re-signed Khalil Mack on a one-year$18 million deal. And I don't like any of the other deals they made, so it doesn't make sense. Dallas Cowboys signed Sam Howell, re-signed Javante Williams. George Pickens, they gave him the franchise tag and they weren't able to get a deal done in time. I think they're still working trying to work on getting him a deal. But there's because there's no fucking way George Pickens plays on the franchise tag. And if he does, you're gonna get the same as receiver that the Steelers got, and they're gonna fucking regret it. So you better pay him if you actually intend on let having him play for you this year. Because if not, he's gonna become a real problem on the football. Off the football field, he's fine. On the football field, he'll be a problem if he's not happy, and I think everybody knows that. They um traded for Rashawn Gary, gonna be a big help to their pass rush. Um is that weird that the Packers let Rashawn Gary go? Sorry, they traded him away.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:42

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:43

When you get Micah Parsons, the I think their whole plan was to have Micah on one side and Rashawn Gary on the other. And when they when they both were playing together, I thought they played fairly effectively. But once you get rid of Rashawn Gary, like Micah Parsons is gonna actually have to do the work himself rather than just being a decoy. So I think this might make Micah Parsons look worse from the get-go, especially with him coming off a torn ACL.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:08

Was Micah Parsons ever really that good? Because he was next to uh DeMarcus Lawrence. Don't don't try to make the big body who kind of took up one or two guards. Yeah, he took up the left tackle and the guard. You don't have Parsons could just kind of sneak in. I don't think Micah Parsons is ever truly that good.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:28

You don't have to tell me. I've always been in that realm where I never thought Micah Parsons was as good as what everybody else was gawking over him for being. So, like, I'm not gonna be the one trying to cape up for him whatsoever. I'm not saying he's all that good, but I just think what the plan was when they brought him to the Packers was to have MM Rashawn Gary on the same defensive line and then decided you know what, this might get too expensive, so we're gonna let Rashawn Gary walk. And now he's gonna go play with the Cowboys, and I think probably be a better all around pass rusher. He may not have the same peak as what Michael Park. Can give you. But I think Rashawn Gary, all in all, is a meta a better play-in-play out defensive end. Against the pass and the run. Oh funny how that works. But funny how that it's insane how they just kind of let that whole thing kind of fall apart. Cowboys also signed in Brandon Aubrey to a second round tender. He is probably the one of the biggest weapons on their team. And they probably need to pay him, or it's going to become a real ugly thing. Because I just think they you literally, as soon as you get close to the 50, like you're within field goal range with that guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:35

They don't sign Brandon Aubrey. Their team's cooked. Yeah, what I'm saying. You guys are cooked. Like he could come to you guys like I want 30 million a year. You're gonna be like, fuck, here you go. Because he is real quick, he is that good of a fucking kicker.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:48

No, he's really good. He's really good. And again, they you you cut your field in half when you have him. And when you have a guy like the uh like shit, you can get a little over half. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:59

With Brandon Aubrey kicking the ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:00

And again, with Derek Dak Prescott playing as I was about to say Derek Carr. With Dak Prescott playing as well as you are. He played very well last year. You had the great offense, and I just think it kind of His girlfriend, his fiancee wouldn't sign a prenup.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:15

That's why they called off the engagement. She would refuse to sign a prenup. I straight refused.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:23

But here's the like here's the thing. Why would you set up a whole wedding if you don't you're not getting the guarantee that she'll sign a prenup? If you were that rich, right, if you have that much to you and you're setting up a wedding, wouldn't you want to get that shit all done before you do all the wedding planning?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:38

Bro, as soon as we are fucking you in hey, no, if we get married, you're signing a prenup.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:45

It doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:46

I don't know who she is. I don't know if she's a model or what the fuck she's.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:49

No, I think he knew her from high school. Like, this is like a chick he's known for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:53

I think you're getting a free up, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:55

Again, you know, uh Hello? Oh, what do you what is wrong with you? I just think all in all, like, your offense was great last year, your defense was awful, and having your kicker around to help out the offense if it does tie to take a little bit of a dip. Yeah, it's just it's just kind of crazy. Giants signed fullback Patrick Ricard, not another good fullback. Um, Isaiah Hodgins, wide receiver, re-signed, signed the white wide receiver, Gunner Olzewski. They did sign Isaiah Likely. He's now not gonna be under the thumb of being like with the Ravens anymore. But again, he Gwinton followed his head coach. But again, there's nobody else better than him, so he'll automatically be the number one tight end.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:46

He's now one of their better weapons. No doubt. Um because Malika Neighbor's coming off an ACM. So they're gonna they're gonna need the tight end.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:52

They are, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:53

They probably draft a receiver later in the draft too.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:56

Oh, they need a receiver for sure. A number, probably not high.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:59

No, I like I said later in the draft. Yeah, no doubt. Like in either top ten. They have pick five. So at that pick, they're probably drafting offense or defense. What the fuck else do they need on defense? Linebacker? Another one. Yeah. Who did he get picked up by? He hasn't, then has he?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:23

Uh hold on. I think he has. Or they're trying to trade him and they haven't yet. But they plan on doing so.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:34

Kavon Thibodeau. I'm not seeing it as of right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:41

Sorry, I'm just running through all the teams. Uh no, no, he has not been not been traded for yet. So I think they plan on trading him. Which makes sense. They already have so many pass rushers. I think you need to, you know, get out while you can before they end up leaving for free. So they could go linebacker, they could go offense. Both options early on in the draft. Um, where else? Sorry, I had to get back to where we were at there. That was the Giants, and then they also signed Tremaine at linebacker. Tremaine Edmonds don't even be running linebacker. They went and signed one. Tremaine Edmonds from the Bears, one of the better linebackers in the NFL. Like, he's actually pretty good. And they paid some good money for him. So like they probably don't even go linebacker.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:27

They could just go best player overall, probably at that five spot.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:34

Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:36

But there's no one to take at five.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:38

Everybody's gawking over the Georgia kid that like did great at the combine, but he wasn't really all that good at Georgia.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:45

I think people to put too much stock in the combine.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:48

Oh, yeah, too much, way too much. Again, you the c you want the combine to match the tape they put on the field, not just like not do shit on the field and then come in the combine, just do amazing. You want the two to match up, not to have one over the power of the other. Uh, kind of funny how that works. Philly signed a couple tight ends, uh, signed Jordan Davis to a three-year,$78 million contract extension. That gives him also$65 million guaranteed. I think signing him to that money means that the other defensive tackle that they had, uh, what's his name? For what's for the Eagles. The crazy one that spit that spit on deck.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:26

Oh, uh Jordan Carter.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:28

Yeah, Jalen Carter.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:30

I think I was to think of Jordan Davis.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:32

Well, I just said Jordan Davis. Uh they just gave Jordan Davis that money, so I think Jalen Carter is probably a trade piece. I don't think they're gonna keep him and they're not gonna sign them both. So I think signing Jordan Davis means Jalen Carter is probably gonna be out. They're gonna trade him to somebody soon. Um they also signed Trequil and went to the Eagles. That's who he went to from the from Seattle. They signed him to a one-year deal with max value of$15 million. Eagles haven't done a lot. Do you think they actually trade AJ Brown? I think they had it haven't done it yet. They're not going to.

unknown 1:34:06

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:07

It doesn't make any sense. Like if you were to trade him, trade him early on and not have to do all this shit. But you know, I don't think they're gonna trade him. I don't know. Um, Washington signed, re-signed Marcus Mariota, signed running back Rashad White. Good running back. I think he'll be a really good signing for them. They re-signed Traylon Burks for what they're only giving him up to$4 million, so it's probably a lot of incentives, pennies on the dollar. They did sign tight end uh Oconquo from Tennessee. That's a good time. He's a talented tight end that didn't get enough touches in Tennessee. I think if they use him right, I think he could be a very good player. Um sign Larry Tunsel to a$60 million extension. Good offensive tackle. He's older and he's not as healthy anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:54

That's a lot of money. A lot of money. Because he's Larry Tunsil's getting damn near 40.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:59

He's not that old yet. He's like 33. 31.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:04

Damn, why do I think these niggas are.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:06

You're way old on ages today. That's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:08

I'm usually pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:10

But he hasn't hurt a lot. So like he has an older body with the miles that he's put on it. But when he's healthy, he's out there, he can actually play very good football. And they need an offensive line to uh protect why am I feeling the quarterback saying now? Jaden Daniels. Yeah, Jalen Jaden Daniels? Jaden Daniels. Um, also sign Jaden Jalen. I get those two mixed up all the time. Fairly close in how they how they're set, but you know.

unknown 1:35:36

Oh for God.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:38

Let me have something, bro. Let me have something.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:40

That's just not true. I you said that, and I was like, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:48

Okay, fine. Um, I don't like any rests or their deals, I don't care. Bears signed Case Keaton to be their backup, makes sense. Signed Khalif Raymond uh to be a third receiver for them, makes sense. Signed a bunch of offensive linemen, traded for Garrett Bradbury from New England. Decent trade. Decent trade. And they paid him some money too, so he'll be around for a while. Um signed a couple defensive linemen. Also signed Devin Bush to be the linebacker.

unknown 1:36:17

Not bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:18

He's played well ever since he left the Steelers, he played well with the Browns and with On the Skurs.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:24

He was shit. He was shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:26

But then as soon as he got to the Browns, he actually played some decent football. And I think he'll still think okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:30

Maybe he wasn't bad. Maybe y'all wanted him to replace Ryan Shazier. And it wasn't gonna happen. And y'all picked him kind of high.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:38

Oh yeah, we traded up to get him. Like that, we traded up to 10 to get him. So probably it probably was a disaster from the start. Oh yeah, no doubt. It was it's been a disaster ever since. I guess we got something halfway good with Patrick Queen, but no, they're tra they were trying to trade him. Maybe too much money, maybe they want to get out from under it and not.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:59

I think you guys picked a picked up a good linebacker and Peyton Wilson.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:02

Maybe they're gonna make him the next number one. Maybe that'll make sense. He might be a little bit cheaper.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:06

I I think his coverage skills are there.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:10

In a way that I I gave the benefit of the doubt his rookie year, because that's uh it's usually a rookie linebacker's kryptonite. Yeah. He's not really seeming to improve. Man, will he hawk down a fucking running back? Which nobody's run away from him. If he was a little faster, he could be a defensive end. Just a little bit faster. Because he's a he's him and TJ Watt are similar size. He's just weight on him. Skills, and like he's just he's real quick.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:39

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:40

Uh twitchy. That's the best word for it. In a way that Peyton Wilson is not.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:44

Straight line speed, man, straight line speed. Um, other moves. They also signed Kobe Bryant from the from Seattle. Definitely a good deal. Three years,$40 million,$25 million guaranteed. Definitely a good move for them. Detroit Lions signed Teddy Bridgewater, got Isaiah Pacheco. One year's$1.81 million.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:06

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:06

Definitely cheaper. As a number two back, especially if they're going to have to pay uh Yeah, it's um, it's um, it's um Jameer Gibbs. There we go! If they're gonna have to pay Jameer Gibbs a bunch of money to stay with them, getting Isaiah Pacheco to be the number two at a one-year,$1.8 million deal makes a lot of sense. Um got Drew Scrugs in the trade with uh Tennessee when they shipped off. Uh don't maybe do it again. I don't want to do it again. David Montgomery.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:42

There you go. Two for two.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:48

Uh okay. Let's go on to the next team. Um, Packers signed Sky Moore. Why do they need to sign another wide receiver that can't do shit?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:56

Um Sky Moore's not even good.

Kyler To Vikings And QB Fits

SPEAKER_02 1:38:58

It doesn't make any sense. They signed Javon Hargrave, Zaire Franklin, got him in a trade with the Colts in exchange for defense tackle, Kobe Wooden. So Zaire Franklin's a really good linebacker. A little bit older, not as athletic as he once was, but I think he's gonna be a very effective guy on their defense. Minnesota, we do have to get to this. Kyler Murray signed a one-year deal. He'll be playing at the vet minimum. I think he's gonna blow fucking JJ McCarthy out the fucking water. I think Kyler Murray could work there. Like I actually think they will have an offense. They can build a real offense around him with a good offensively minded head coach. And uh, why am I forgetting his name? Um, what's his name? Vikings H C Kevin O'Connell. I I got it before I was even able to look it up. Kevin O'Connell will be able to put a really good offense around Kyler Murray. He has two really good wide receivers, he has a great tight end, he has all the weapons in the world. Their offensive line, not great, but again, he can run away from pressure. He'll be playing in a dome. And he's not I get he's been playing with in good weather for this past few years, like for his whole NFL career. But before that, he's playing in Oklahoma. It's not like Oklahoma's always hot, it's like he's used to playing in some weather. So I do think Kyler, if he balls out this year, can be a real long-term answer for Minnesota. Because I just don't think J.J. McCarthy's gonna be able to like level up to be able to beat him out. Did you just space out on me just now?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:38

No, I'm pissed. Yeah, continue.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:42

I would have loved for the Steelers to kick around the tires on Kyler Murray. But I think they're all in on Aaron Rodgers and all of that. But I'm like I just don't understand why. I don't understand why either. I'm just like, why we keep hitching our wagon to a 43-old goddamn quarterback? Doesn't make any sense to me, but again, he's still useful, but it's just we could have Kyler from the vet minimum. Vet minimum, that's like not$1.5 million, man. He's getting still getting paid$40 million from the from uh the Cardinals. So I'm saying, like, he's still getting paid. I'm just I'm just and I think Minnesota's gonna get a steal out of Kyler Murray. And I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and say that he's gonna ball out and like be their long-term answer, but I think he'll be a lot better than what they're gonna get out of J. J. McCarthy this year. And I think this shows that J.J. McCarthy's done. Like, there's no way he's never he was never. I think they've blown the whistle on that shit. It's over. He'll be lucky to be a backup quarterback for the rest of his career and get paid some decent money to do so. But I think Kyler Murray going there will be a huge deal. And I think Justin Jefferson will finally have a quarterback that can match his talent, that can max out what the talent that Justin Jefferson is.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:50

Oh, I think we see Justin Jefferson win a triple crown.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:53

Oh, he's gonna ball out, dude. He's gonna ball out. It's gonna be kind of awesome to see Justin Jefferson be good again. Um, they revised the contract for Aaron Jones to keep him around. Good signing. Um, signed linebacker Eric Wilson and really oh, signed James Pierre to a two-year 8.5 million LDO. I know about him because he's a former Stealer. Very good corner. Kind of understated how good he was last year, but I think at the number that they paid him was definitely a good deal they got him on. You know, see South. Atlanta Falcons. Tua is going there on a one-year vet minimum deal. Again, he's getting paid from the Dolphins. Yes. I think this is a good fit.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:36

I think it's impossible not to fit the fucking Falcons.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:39

Because they already have a lefty quarterback they've been building around for a while, so it's not like you have to get a new, you have to change your offense around because you have a lefty quarterback instead of a righty. And I feel like if uh who am I bringing the quarterback's name now? Michael Penix. Michael Penix Jr. If he's not gonna be your long-term answer, I think Tua will be the guy to either bring the best out of Michael Penix and make him take that next step, or I think Tua now playing in a dome, playing in the NFC South gonna be good weather for the most part throughout the whole season. And being in the NFC, so in the playoffs they make it, I think he'll be able to have some better weather. So what so playing in the cold won't but necessarily be an issue. I think he could be a good fit. Again, I'm not sitting here saying he'll be a great player, but I just think in three years you guys are gonna be looking for a quarterback. Oh, yeah, no doubt. But it is they have so many talented players on that offense, they can't just go and get a nobody quarterback or just he has to be at least decent. Right. Especially if Michael Pennick's not gonna be your long-term answer. You had to get some sort of veterans gonna come in, especially with that the money they're gonna be paying him. I think makes a lot of sense for them.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:44

That's where it really got him. I think the money they're gonna pay him is what was the most enticing part about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:49

No, I totally agree. I think I think I think it's a decent fit.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:51

$2.5 million is literally nothing in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:54

Yeah, and they have an all like they just have so many pieces and they have an offensive line. So like Tua could actually be kind of like good back there and not like hand the football off and like not have to put everything on his shoulders. I just think I think it could be a really good fit. Um, John Donson, they also signed him to a two-year,$15 million deal. Makes a lot of sense. Um get him away from the Eagles, but I think I think it's a very good fit. Also signed Zacchaeus from the Bears to a free agent deal. Signed Austin Hooper to a one-year,$3.25 million deal, which you probably need him as a backup if you're going to try to keep Kyle Pitts around. They gave him the franchise tag, by the way, which will pay him$15.5 million. But I think Kyle Pitts, like, the way they started using him last year, if they really like can keep that going, I think Kyle Pitts can like really turn again, he's finally realizing the talent that we all saw with him coming out of college. But if they can make it that consistent, I think he's an awesome player that they're going to want to sign to a long-term deal. But I guess they probably want to see it for one more year before they do so. Um, they signed Aziz Old Julari to a one-year contract. Definitely needed when one of your your defensive ends you just drafted might be going to prison soon. Signed Cam Thomas, Christian Harris, Nick Folk, Blake Bailey. It doesn't really matter. Kenny Pickett is going to be the backup for the Carolina Panthers.

unknown 1:45:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:20

Good backup deal. One-year,$4 million deal with a max value of 7.5. They signed John Mechie, another helpful wide receiver to help out your uh your core. Um, signed a couple offensive linemen. They signed Jalen Phillips to a four-year$120 million deal with$80 million fully guaranteed.

unknown 1:45:40

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:40

That's like a lot, a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:42

They also signed Devin Lloyd to a three-year$45 million deal with$25 million fully guaranteed. They also re-signed Isaiah Simmons linebacker. I think these moves say that they're I think they are locked in on um why am I I'm forgetting so many names today. Quarterbacks too and everything. Bryce Young. Bryce Young. I think they're locked in on Bryce Young for the year. I don't think they're giving up. I don't think they're putting this much assets into their defense that they thought that Bryce Young was going to be their answer. But again, the way that you played at the end of last year, I think you're kind of locked in anyway to kind of at least give him another year to see if he can figure it out and be that quarterback for a whole season. If he can be, I think they'll be fine, but if not, then they'll be looking for a quarterback here soon. But giving out that type of money they did on their defense, again, needed because their defense was definitely their issue last year. But it's just they just gave up a lot of money, especially to those two edges. Ugh. Um, New Orleans Saints. Travis A-chan. You know ETN? It's supposed to be A-Chan. He's from New Orleans.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:51

Yeah, there's another player in the name where his last name's spelled A-chan. As in Devon A-chan.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:59

No, he he because I saw a uh clip of him doing his press conference, and he said now that I'm back in New Orleans, we can talk about my name, the last name, right? It's A-Chan. It's not ETN. He said I let it go that long because I was playing in places where they don't talk like that because it's a little bit of it. This New Orleans way they talk, it is what it is. But his last name is supposed to be A-chan, not ETN.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:24

Bullshit. No, I've seen how it's spelled. You're lying.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:28

It is what it is. They gave him a four-year$52 million deal. Not a bad deal. I think he's a good, decent player. I'm not the biggest fan of him in general, but I do think them signing into that deal. What does that mean for um why am I forgetting the other running back's name? Nope, Alvin Kamara. What does that mean for Alvin Kamara now that they signed him?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:51

It means Alvin Kamara's old.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:53

He is old, but like are they gonna keep him around on the money they're paying him? Because they're still paying him a really good amount of money. So like does that mean they're gonna trade him or drop him? Like, I don't I don't I'm just not sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:02

I think they're they're paying him a respect deal. You've been a saint forever.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:06

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:07

Here's your money.

Rams Buy McDuffie And Niners Add Evans

SPEAKER_02 1:48:08

But again, all those respect deals is what's gotten in all this cap hell they've been going through. I don't know. Um they also signed, they really didn't sign nobody else. Again, it's not like they have the money too. Oh, funny enough. Um, next, Tampa Bay. Jake Browning, going to be their backup quarterback, so you don't have to deal with him anymore as your backup, so that's kind of fun. Kenneth Gainwell went to the Buccaneers on a two-year$14 million deal. Definitely a good backup uh to Bucky Irving. Reside Kate Otten signed a couple defensive players, including uh Alex Anzolone from the I think that was from the Lions, right? Signed him to a two-year$17 million deal. Um NFC West, we're gonna go to the Cardinals, signed Gardner Minshew to be their backup, signed Tyler Algier to be their backup running back, definitely a good uh good piece. Kendrick Bourne is going to going there for a two-year,$10 million deal. And then they signed a bunch of linemen, which will help out because their office line was definitely their issue outside of their tackle. And they really didn't do a lot else that I really want to talk about. Rams. Oh, we didn't talk about the McDuffie thing. Tyler Higby signed him on a two-year deal,$8 million, traded for Trent McDuffie from the Kansas City Chiefs. They gave it gave up a 2026 first round pick, a fifth round pick, and a sixth round pick, and then as well as a 2027 third rounder. And then signed him to a four-year,$124 million deal. What do you think? I think McDuffie is a I don't matter if he's the best corner in the NFL.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:52

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:53

I think he's a better slot corner than he is an outside corner because how small he is.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:56

I don't know. The best the moniker of the best corner in the NFL changes everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:00

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:01

Uh, no one holds that title for more than a year. True. Yeah. It is impossible to hold that title. Yeah. You know, it's hard. The corner is hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:10

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:12

So I don't know. I think he's good. I think he's worth it. I think it's something they really need.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:17

Do you know what did it for me where I looked, thought, thought about it? Do you know what makes this make sense? Who is the best wide receiver they have to worry about twice a year in their own division? Fucking JSN. Who moves inside, who moves outside, and to have a corner that can do both in face-off against JSN, who you're going to have to deal with for years to come, I think is a great signing for them, especially with their safe their secondary being their biggest weakness as a team. They gave up a lot. They gave up a lot for him, not gonna lie to you. But I think, and especially the money they paid him, and stuff like it's just all in all. But again, the Rams don't have a lot of people that they've paid.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:56

So I think it's I think it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:57

Outside of Stafford, like they really haven't paid nobody. And so I just think with him, also with getting Jalen Watson, they also signed him to a three-year,$51 million deal. Him also from the Chiefs. It's funny they were just taking the whole Chiefs secondary, just adding it to their team. And then also signing uh safety Cameron Curl, re-signing him to a$36 million deal three years. Umfran, they signed Mike Evans to a three-year deal. How do you feel about Mike Evans not being a not retiring a buccaneer? I feel like he was a win. He felt like he was like he he was one of those last ones, too, that's like been with the same team forever. I thought he was gonna be a one jersey guy. I just felt like he decided, hey, I've been with this team long enough, maybe I can go to a winner. Like the the the Niners know how to win even without having a bunch of talented dudes. And adding Mike Evans, I'm not sure if Mike Evans is gonna really he's definitely aged over the years. He's not the same receiver he was years ago, but I think in jump ball situations he'll be good, and I think with as bad as they are at wide receiver outside of uh it's the one guy, the white dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:15

Alex no Ricky Pearsall.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:18

Ricky Pearsall's really good, so like having Mike Evans on the other side of him actually might be a pretty good fit, but they gave I think they were trying to give him like 20 something million dollars a year for three years, which I think is a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:29

But especially for a receiver of his age, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:32

He's just a little older, a lot more hurt than he has been in years past, so it's just again good for Mike Evans. He can go out there and try to go with a winner, gets paid some decent amount of money to do so. It's just I thought he was gonna be a one jersey guy, which kind of sucks a little bit. I'm like, I like seeing those stories of guys that spend their whole season with their whole careers with one team.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:49

It's just hard, especially when Tampa Bay is kind of on a downturn. Uh so it's I think they could be better.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:56

I think they'll get back to like as soon as Baker's gonna be healthy next year. I just think they need to put they drafted so many young wide receivers. I think they're ready to give me a little bit more of the the kind of like, did you see the mech the Twitter thing? So a Twitter account that I thought was mech that a lot of people thought was a mechabuca over the years, tweeted the other day, is CTE even real? Okay, a couple hours later, Buccaneers uh Twitter comes through and quotes that quotes the that Twitter account and says, This account is not ran by a mechabuka or anybody on his team. This is a fake account. The same account they've been quote tweeting for years, for ever since they drafted him, in the same account that's been followed by all the Ohio State accounts and all that shit. And now they're trying to claim that this has been a bot account that's been waiting to troll for years.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:51

They went to a mechanical and be like, hey, is this you? And he went, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:56

But here's the thing, I don't fucking believe him. I think there is a chance. I don't think a Mecca is stupid enough to actually tweet this out. Do I think there's somebody stupid enough on his team to have his account and say some stupid shit? There might be a chance. Again, I don't want to believe that Mechabuka would say something like that, because Mecca's been awesome. He's been a grown-up for years, ever since he was a young kid. He has been a grown-up amongst all grown-ups. But nobody's gonna tell us that that's been a Twitter account that everybody thought was his over for five four or five years now, and now we're supposed to believe that it was a bot account, that it was a troll account waiting to troll for five years before they started trolling. And if you're gonna be a troll, why would you I would troll about something told much worse than TTE?

unknown 1:54:43

TTE's pretty serious.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:45

It is. I'm like, I just don't want to think that's Mekbuka saying some stupid shit. I just don't think that's what he would do. I just think it's and it's now Twitter Twitter uh investigators are going all over it trying to prove that it is his account. But it was just funny. But Mike Evans going San Fran, big deal, and then they signed a whole bunch of they got Dre Greenlaw bringing him back. One year$7.5 million deal.

unknown 1:55:11

That's good.

Best Signing Debate And Value

SPEAKER_02 1:55:12

After his one year with the, I think he was with the was he with he was with the Broncos last year. That's who he was with. Um bringing him back is a good deal. Brought in Nate Hobbs corner from a one-year deal. It is what San Fran has a bunch of dudes they're bringing back just off of injury, so I think they'll just be getting better based off guys getting healthy. Seattle signed Emmanuel Wilson running back to a two-year, two, a one-year,$2.1 million deal. Resigned Rasheed Shahid, three years$51 million deal. You need to have somebody on the other side of JSN because Cooper Cup, I think he'll be there for another couple of years, but he's not the same receiver. And having him be your like day in, day out, number two doesn't make any sense. Not to mention Rasheed Shahid, one of the best returners in the end of in the league. So having him be a return man is definitely going to be a huge deal. And then that is all the teams we have gone through and all the signings. So now that we've gone through, I think we spent a lot of time doing that. Sorry, but you know, we had to go, we had to do what we got to do. The single best signing of all the free agency that you could think of. Thank Trey.

unknown 1:56:18

I think it was a good deal.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:19

You have to do the discount. He is one of the better defensive ends in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:24

He was the best one on the on the do you know that the the team that was a thinking that they were gonna get him was the Colts? And then the Ravens just kind of swooped in late in the game and just said, hey, you want to come here? I feel bad for the Colts. But I get that. That's a really good that's a really good signing. Um I think Kyler on the on the Oh, no, no, bad. On the money that they're gonna pay him for what they're gonna get from him, I think he's the best signing. Bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:48

No.

unknown 1:56:50

What do you mean? No.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:52

You were agreeing with me earlier that Kyler could be like could be a really good player for them. Yeah, but he's not the He's not the best signing. I think well How is it not? He's not no based off of what the return they're gonna get for him, I think that was the best signing.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:07

Nah.

Season Grades AFC South And NFC East

SPEAKER_02 1:57:09

Okay. Alright, I told Okay, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. So now that we're done with that, we have one more thing we need to do before we get out of here. Give me that. Do the uh so we've been doing the team grades for how the season went last year, doing it by division. The last one I did without Jace was the AFC South. So I'm gonna let Jace go through his grades real quick for the AFC South, and then together we will do the NFC East together. And we're just doing our NFL season grades based off how last season went. We're not taking into account any of the free agency stuff or anything they've done after the season over. I want to, and then you keep me honest.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:47

That's how it goes. Which is why I think all your grades for last week are too high.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:52

I don't think they're too high.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:53

Okay. A D plus for Tennessee is crazy. They're getting a fucking F. F.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:59

I didn't I didn't expect anything from them anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:01

They'll get a D minus from me. You drafted Cam Ward, can't name another motherfucker you drafted.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:06

I don't think there's back that big of difference between D plus and D minus.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:10

No, D plus is almost a C, which is, you know, you're right. F plus. There we go. Fuck you guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:17

F plus for Jace, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:18

All the how do you how do you draft a quarterback like that? And I can't name another dude you drafted. Which sounds like y'all had a terrible fucking draft.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:30

True.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:31

You signed no one.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:32

But they have their quarterback though. That's figured out. Like they don't have to worry about it. It's a great starting point.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:39

Okay. Now, he was getting fucking harassed. So what happens that quarterback gets hurt? What happened? He got hurt this year.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:47

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:48

Yeah, no. F plus.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:53

Indy.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:55

What did you get?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:56

I gave him a D plus.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:58

I'll give him a C.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:01

I gave him a D plus because of how good their season started and how bad it ended. Not to mention you gave up your next two first-round picks for a corner didn't even see at the end of the season with Sauce Gardner.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:11

Which is why I'm no, I'm giving him a C because y'all made Daniel Jones work. He faked your system. The Sauce Gardner bullshit was done. I didn't understand that that was done.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:20

They were going after it, and then it all went to shit. They started the season seven, eight and one, and then lost the next seven games.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:26

Then then Daniel Jones got hurt. No, I understand. So C. C minus. They have C minus.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:33

C minus. Okay, that's fine. So we're not too far off there. I think that's a little bit more that I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:38

That one's fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:39

Next one, Houston. I went C plus. What you what you doing?

SPEAKER_04 1:59:42

I'm gonna give him a D plus.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:45

Not doing anything for CJ Stroud, knowing your offensive line is bad. I understand your defense is amazing, but the defense can't score points. So D fucking plus. Because god damn, you guys know your offensive line is bad, and you still send him out there and then let him take all the criticism, knowing it's your fucking fault. Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:06

I went C plus. I'm like, they won another playoff game again, even with all the issues that they had.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:10

Yeah, that's just because their defense is elite. Who'd they play in the playoffs? Was it Carolina?

SPEAKER_02 2:00:15

No, they played Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:17

Oh, that was a fucking gimme game, bro. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:19

They destroyed Pittsburgh in their house. Gimme game. It was a gimme game.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:24

Come on, gang. Fuck you. You you knew that. Yeah, I know. I had no I knew we had no chance. You were not winning that game. I had no fake. Do you know what that means? That was a gimme game. Next one.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:33

Um, Jacksonville. I went A minus.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:35

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:36

They turned their season around from 3-14 to 14-3. I'll give you a B. Okay. Not to mention they now they're now. I think Trevor Lawrence has proven himself to be like they got the best season out of him you could possibly get.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:51

They got the best season they're probably ever gonna get.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:53

Maybe, but uh, their coach looks like they figured it out. They got a really good head coach that can make it work. And I just think they have all around a really good team. I'm not gonna lie to you. And not to mention they didn't even need Travis Hunter.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:05

Yeah, I don't I don't I'm be honest with you, no one needed Travis Hunter. That motherfucker's not that good. But you guys are also making Brian Thomas Jr. look horrendous.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:14

And apparently they were trying to trade him, but and then they decided not to.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:17

I promise you, if you trade him, it's going to be a fucking mistake.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:20

But apparently they decided not to, so apparently they got they rethought their whole thing. So AFC South, Jace for Tennessee, F plus, Indy, C minus, Houston, D plus, and Jacksonville B. Now let's go on to the NFC East and make our grades there. First off, we'll go with the Eagles. They made the playoffs again. B minus. You're gonna go B minus? I'm gonna go C plus. The same issues they've been having are still their issues. Yeah. Jalen Hurts has regressed. Yeah. Tush push doesn't fucking work anymore. Yeah. Because the officials are actually starting to call false starts now. Um I think, and again, it's just after coming off the Super Bowl year that you had, everything went to shit, and then AJ Brown still having the same kind of outburst shit again.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:15

I'm not gonna lie, you essentially what we just gave the same fucking rating.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:18

They're too talented for their team to do what they did last year and have a B plus.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:22

I I said B minus.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:24

I'll say B minus. Okay. B minus. B minus. Okay. Yeah, they're too talented. They didn't do enough.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:31

Yeah, we basically just gave the same fucking grade. I think they did just slightly better than you did.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:38

Because they play in the playoffs. They lose the first round, right? So yeah, they did they're too talented. C plus. I think the only reason I gave them that was because they came off Super Bowl, so like you can't feel that bad.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:49

Which is why I'm sitting at a B. I don't you guys didn't do terrible, but you underperformed. Which is why it's a B.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:54

Um next one, Dallas. I'm gonna go D plus. I'm gonna go D plus because the offense getting George Pickens. Aubrey's elite. Dak Prescott had his like best season he's had in his office of his career.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:17

But what did it amount to?

SPEAKER_02 2:03:19

It didn't because their defense was ass, but I don't think it was because their offense was ass. Oh, that's great. If one's good, the other's bad.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:25

How does that work? Oh, it's because you won't pay them both.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:27

That's true. And then you double down. That's kind of true, though. Good job. That's kind of good.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:34

Good fucking job. You went and got another receiver instead of go grabbing some defense, and your middle line's kind of fucking mid. And you keep fucking signing mid-ass running backs, so you have no run game.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:45

Javante Williams was good last year.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:47

That's great. Javante Williams has been on like 38 fucking teams, dude.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:51

No, he hasn't. He went from the Broncos to them. Chill.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:54

It's a lot. Bro, they're the Bengals of the NFC. You guys aren't signing defense. You had a good defense and then no offense. And now you don't have a good defense with a good offense.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:04

Well, you s you had Michael Parsons traded him away, and then like, oh, your defense got worse.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:09

That's the thing. Guess what they couldn't do? Same thing the Bengals couldn't do. Stop the running.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:12

True. Or stop the pass. They were giving up, they were giving out careers, careers games to everybody they face practically.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:21

He can't do anything. And then their secondary was totally ass. Yeah. So he gets pancaked a lot.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:27

And then he's but again, they didn't even have him last year and their defense was even worse. Crazy how that works. Um, Giants. Oh C plus C minus. You give you give the Giants a C plus.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:44

I think, yeah, C plus. You guys traded for Brian Burns, which ended up working out. You can get rid of Thivodeau. Now you're Abdul Carter. That one I'm gonna hold y'all to. That nigga's ass.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:55

I don't think he's ass. I think they needed to let him be the number one guy. And they were still trying to play the whole, oh, we have four different pass rushers. We gotta use them all. Which is why I think now they'll get better out of him.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:07

But because they're like they're trying to shop Kayvon Thibodeau, who I think is better than Abdul Carter.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:12

I think he's better against the run, but I think Abdul Carter is a potential superstar pass rusher. Yeah, we can stop watching porn in meetings.

unknown 2:05:21

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:24

That's it's so true.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:26

But Bro, you're famous. You don't need porn. I promise. You're not one of us regularly.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:33

Again, he has John Harbaugh as his head coach now, so that I think that will change.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:36

Again, that does not matter. But I think he's a position. That does not matter. No. That's that's this coming. I know. You're raising on him this year. This bro was over here. Oh and then he couldn't get a sack that Sunday. He was too exhausted from that Saturday. Like, come on, dang. Like, I like I can't. Like you guys, your their defense is legit. They have a legit defense. Yeah. And Scottaboo was better than both of us kind of anticipated.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:02

Now and then broke his ankle, and he's not he's not next year.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:07

What are you talking about that for?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:08

My bad. My bad.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:09

For the fifth round pick they got him for. Yeah, it was pretty good fucking production. Jackson Dart looked like he may actually be a decent quarterback. Stop running that nigga, and he might be a decent quarterback.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:19

Yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:20

I think they did great. Uh I think it was much better. Well, I anticipate them being one of the worst teams in the NFL. And they were. Now, again, Malik Neighbors, Terry Dis ACL. Week three did not fucking count. Jackson Dart has a much better first season if you don't you don't lose him that early.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:35

Probably.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:36

But again, I think they overachieved for what I expected.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:42

And I think they drafted a lot better than what I anticipated. And now uh I'm not gonna talk about this coming year, which I think they're going to excel a lot better. But me as well. I think a C plus is good. I don't again, a C plus to a C minus is like a minuscule. Minuscule. It is so minuscule. Yeah, I agree. I just think a little more highly of them because of how what I expected from them. Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:04

Okay, yeah, I get I get what you're saying. I do. Um, Washington.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:09

D minus.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:10

I think I might give it an F.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:13

Okay. Are we going to hold Jaden Names getting injured against them?

SPEAKER_02 2:07:18

I hold against them the fact they let him go fucking back out there. He hurt himself again.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:23

I'm gonna hold that F as well. I agree with you. You guys, there was no reason for him to go back out there.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:27

No reason to go back out there. Let him let him sit out the rest of the season, you were ass anyway. And again, you already knew he was your guy. He he has nothing to prove what he did year one. So once he broke his left arm, that should have been like, okay, fine, we're gonna suck for the rest of the year, we're gonna go get you a great player to help out. And then you brought him back out there to get hurt again. That's what I do blame them for. Because again, I was never if Jaden Daniels wouldn't be the competitor that he is if he wasn't trying to come back and help out his team. But it's on you to make the grown-up decision and be like, hey, dude, this is worth nothing, and if you get hurt again, this will make it even worse. And that's exactly what they fucking did. So that's what I hold them to. Not to mention, they actually doubled down on their offense, and the offense was still ass. They got Debo Samuel. Like, was that a plus to your team? It was kind of a mid thing, and not with the money they gave him. It doesn't make it, it didn't really turn out anything. And defensively, they had a defensive head coach and their defense was ass. It didn't make any sort of plus. Their defense was grossly bad. So I'm giving them an F.

unknown 2:08:34

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:35

And here's the thing, a hot take. If Jaden Daniels can't gain any weight, dude, I'm not sure with his play style, he can be the quarterback he needs to be for a whole career. He's talented, he's awesome, but I'm just sitting here like with like how skinny he is in the way he plays. Because again, you taking the running away from him is like taking away the I'm not saying he's a much he's a really good passer. But taking away his running is gonna take away some of like the star power that he has, and he can't keep running the way he does if he doesn't gain some weight and like really put on some muscle. Because being the stick figure that he is, he's gonna keep getting hurt, it's just gonna keep happening. And again, breaking your left arm like that, you're like that's a it's a freak accident, but like he's already having some of these injuries, and it's like, how many freak accidents can you just keep calling them freak accidents, right? So again, it's no knee injury, it's not like a uh um who's the one quarterback that's played at Baylor, uh RG3. RG3, it's not an RG3 situation where RG3 messed up his fucking knee and he was never the same again. You haven't had that type of injury? That's true, yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:45

And then sent him back that thirk in the playoffs, yeah. So like But I give them more leeway for that one. That's a playoff game. Okay, yeah, for sure. Legit reach for a football in his ship buckled.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:59

So bad, so bad. So it's not that, you're not at that point yet. It's a bunch of freak accidents that doesn't seem to be degenerative, but it's just like at some point you have to like there has to be some real changes. Because he's too good, man. Like, just get him healthy enough to where he can play on the field every week, or at least change his mindset. Because again, I think if he just decided, hey, I'm just gonna be a passer, I think he could be a very good passer in the NFL, not being running as much. Because I I think talent-wise, arm-wise, he's better than is this a hot take? Is he better than Lamar? I think he's a better passer than Lamar.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:32

I think he's better overall than Lamar.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:33

I think he's a better touch. Like, I really think he's a more developed. I'm not gonna say developed, because I think Lamar has done very good things as a passer.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:39

I really do think he's a more developed passer.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:41

I think he's a more talented passer of the football.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:44

I think where Lamar is right now is where Jaden Daniels was coming into the NFL. Yeah, no, I just and Lamar's in year eight. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's better. He's better. Jaden Daniels is a final product of a Lamar what Lamar is now. But Jaden Daniels is only gonna get better in a way that Lamar has now Lamar's probably at his ceiling.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:09

Yeah, no doubt. And then only gonna go down because his athleticism is gonna go down. So yeah, okay. I'm just trying to be disrespectful because I think Lamar has really taken steps in his career.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:19

But in the other side, Lamar probably has another 40 pounds of muscle on him that JD.

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SPEAKER_02 2:11:23

Okay, Lamar does, he has built up, and then he got skinny, and then he got fat, not fat, but he bulked up and then skinnyed out last year, and I'm like, he has to find some type of balance for him that works. Because him being an explosive athlete, because he wasn't as nearly as explosive last year as he has been in years past. So, like, maybe you can get that back, and it did not work, did not work out last year at all. So who knows? But I think Jane Daniels needs to find some sort of way to get some weight on because uh I don't think it'll work long term without it. All right, so that's our grades. Uh for me, Eagles C plus, Jace B minus, Dallas D plus for me, and then Jace had. D minus, the Giants, I had a C minus, Jas had a C plus, and then Washington. We both went for an F. So that's our that's our position grade. That's our season grades for the NFC East. And that's about it for us. So let's go ahead and get out of here. Just over two hours, not as bad as we I thought it would be. So let's go ahead and get out of here. We'll be back next week for another pod. So hopefully we'll be able to come back together and do another one as we get more and more stuff going in the NFL, more trades and all that. So let's go. Let's get out of here. So if you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. If you're just now jumping jumping on, hopefully you like us and enjoy us enough to join us on this ride of talking about sports in the dumbest way possible. And if you do like us and enjoy us, we'd appreciate if you could like our podcast, subscribe to the podcast, rate the podcast five stars wherever you listen to your pods. We're pretty much available everywhere. So make sure you do that for us. And also share us with friends, family, enemies. Anybody like and enjoy the podcast we put out on a weekly basis with once a week during the offseason, two times a week during the NFL season. And then as we get closer to the draft and stuff, we'll do some extra pods then, too, because there'll be a lot more to talk about. And then last but not least, you can follow us on Twitter and or X, whatever you like to call it, at JB Sports Pod is the podcast handle, at Jovante Boozer is my handle, at Jace Boozer1 is Jace's. And I will go ahead and hand it over to Jay so you can finish off the pod.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:20

This has been the JB Sports Podcast. Thank you guys listening. Thank you for always listening.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:25

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