Finger-Locking Gossip And Football Film Room

Thirteen days until the NFL Draft means every rumor feels like a warning shot, and every “small” trade starts looking like a chess move. We kick things off with the Eagles grabbing Dontayvion Wicks and paying him real money, then ask the obvious question: if the receiver room is already set, why spend picks and cap unless you’re bracing for an AJ Brown shift? We break down the logic for Philly, why it makes more sense for Green Bay, and what it could signal about how teams protect themselves before draft weekend.

From there we jump into Atlanta picking up Bijan Robinson’s fifth-year option and the running back contract debate that never dies. We talk about what separates Bijan from the “replaceable” bucket, why the tag-first mindset keeps coming back, and what a smart team should do if they won’t pay a player who’s basically the center of the offense. If you’ve been searching for honest takes on running back value, franchise tags, and roster-building priorities, this one gets into the real friction.

Then we get into the fun stuff: spring football energy at a UFL game in Columbus, the coaching gaps you can spot in real time, and how crowd buy-in can carry the entire experience. After that, we go full draft mode with Chris Simms wide receiver rankings and quarterback rankings, including Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson, Denzel Boston, Chris Brazzle, Zachariah Branch, Fernando Mendoza, Ty Simpson, Garrett Nussmeier, and Drew Allar. We argue about speed, routes, contested catches, decision-making under pressure, and why this QB class feels like it could trick desperate teams.

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Transcript

Welcome Back And Draft Countdown

SPEAKER_04 0:09

Welcome back to the podcast. Today is Friday, April 10th.

Eagles Add Wicks And AJ Brown Fear

SPEAKER_03 0:14

We're back! Like I told you when I did when I did the podcast earlier this week, that this podcast is gonna happen with both me and Jason. Because believe it or not, we have 13 days until the NFL draft happens. And I'm I honestly the draft does a lot for me. I have a lot of fun watching it. I will literally watch pretty much the whole thing. If not like everything for like the first like five rounds. And then the sixth and seventh rounds are like, eh, okay, fine. Practing none of these players will probably last. But there's a lot to talk about, and because of that, and because of how we've how I messed up the last couple weeks not getting a podcast out. That means that the the little people that do come back and listen every week that you guys deserve to have two this week, and that's what we're gonna make it happen. So, the plan for today, we don't really have any basketball to talk about. And again, if you've been listening for a while, you already know this. But Jace isn't that keen on talking about basketball until it comes to him. If he has a basketball topic, it's all good. But if I want to talk about basketball at all, it'll automatically turn into I'm sucking off KD or whatever I'm talking about whatever basketball thing is happening, doesn't matter. So, no basketball today. It's mostly football, even though I there's really not much anyway. We're the last week of the NF the NBA season before they get to the play-in next week and then the playoffs the week after. So today is all football. Uh a couple new stories I wanted to talk about first, and then we'll get into some wide receiver stuff that I had because Chris Sims, he does his rankings every year for all these different um all the different positions. And what really started this whole thing a couple weeks ago was me wanting to react to his rankings because they make me upset by just the thought of them. And so I'm like, you know what, if I'm gonna have my complaints about his rankings and this, that, and the other, then I may as well just go and do a little bit of research myself, and then that's when I asked Jace to do a little bit of research himself, take a look at some of these receivers that I wanted to talk about, receivers and quarterbacks, and then we will be talking about them today. So without further ado, let's go ahead and get to it. Let me do uh and then after that, I do want to talk about one um mock draft, just kind of run through it, give our thoughts on it as we go. Um, but that'll be at the end. So without further ado, let's go ahead and get to it. First thing I wanted to talk about was hold on, why'd I get out of that? I would have had to go back in that anyway. Um, big story of the of bigger story of today, at least. The Philadelphia Eagles got some receiver help when they acquired Dontavian Wicks from the Green Bay Packers, one of their five number two receivers that they have in their roster. Um they gave the Packers got a fifth round pick in this year's draft and a sixth rounder next year.

unknown 2:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

First off, my question is why I understand why the Packers would want to get rid of Dontavian Wicks. Because he's one of their five wide receiver twos they have best receiver on their team is Christian Watson, right? He's the best one, but he's not he's never healthy. He's the only one I'm like, he can be a number one receiver if he can stay out there on the football field. But then everybody else, I would say, is a number two. I would say maybe Reed would be like the closest thing to being like a really good two that would be a two on any team that he would go to. And then the rest of them are pretty much like meh. And I get it, they kind of drafted them all in like the same thing, in like the same uh kind of couple drafts. So the idea of Christian uh Sergeant Tamian Wicks is going into his last year of his rookie contract. I understand, get rid of him get rid of him, get something back for him so you don't have him walking out the door for free, because they're not gonna pay this guy to stick around because let's be honest, he hasn't been that good.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Last year he had who this nigga is. That's the whole problem of what you're saying right now. Of you're talking to me, and I don't know who this is. I know I knew Romeo Dobbs, I know uh Christian Watson, I know Jaden Reed. There's one more I can vaguely like if I looked at him, I'd know him.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Well, Romeo Dobbs ain't there no more.

SPEAKER_04 4:11

He's at he's uh he's at the Cowboys. No, no, he's a uh Patriot, that's what it was. My fault.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

They paid him good money to go be their number two, even though you don't have they they have the same issue. They don't have a number one receiver either.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

No, they have a five number twos in Hayshawn Boutet, who is not a bad player by any means.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

But he's just not consistent enough for being to be anybody you want to rely on.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

Fucking number two half the time.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:34

He's just dog shit.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

No doubt. No doubt. By the way, reason why you don't know who Wicks is, he caught 30 passes for 332 yards and a pair of touchdowns last year.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

That's tight end numbers.

SPEAKER_03 4:44

So he didn't do shit. That tight ends do better than that. The best tight ends are getting a thousand yards. I know, but like that's like college football tight end numbers. No, that's college football tight ends.

SPEAKER_04 5:00

If it's if it's a tight end, you know that motherfucker's gonna have at least 500. Oh yeah, no, I'm talking about just like two of your tight ends had 500 yards this year.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

No, top tight end on Ohio State. Yes. Top 10 on Ohio State, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

Yeah, but you guys have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

But we but we have some so many wide receivers. It's kind of not cheating, it's kind of cheating. Yeah, I totally understand.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

There we go.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

Yeah, they they feature tight ends a lot, no question. That's the only guys that can catch passes on their team. That's all they can get. At least as of up to last year. Now they have a new coaching staff and they'll figure that out, hopefully. Okay, so for the this is where my problem is for the Eagles side of this.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Why?

SPEAKER_03 5:37

Why would you fucking need him?

SPEAKER_04 5:39

What does he do for you?

SPEAKER_03 5:40

Because in theory, they already have a number one and a number two.

unknown 5:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

But D Ontavian Wicks will be their number three. They gave him a one-year$12.5 million extension.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

That's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

That's a lot of money to give for because that now you have you have control of him for the next two years, this year and the next year.

SPEAKER_04 5:57

Yeah, but that's like a lot of money for a dude who don't do much.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

Exactly. Unless, do you remember one remember the story that came out about there potentially being a a trade on the table between the Patriots and the Eagles for AJ Brown?

SPEAKER_04 6:10

But that is less in my brain now that they have Romeo Dobbs.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

No, because Romeo Dobbs is number two. AJ Brown will be their number one.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

Is this a relatively deep wide receiver draft?

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Again, I don't think I think the Patriots feel like because they made a Super Bowl last year, that getting a young wide receiver and having to get draft to having to coach him up and make him an NFL guy, they don't I feel like they feel like they're closer to a championship than what we think they are. Again, they made the champ, they made the Super Bowl last year. So I think partially we have to eat that fact. They did make a Super Bowl, even though they didn't deserve to, and really do I think they could do it again? Probably not.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

Hell no, I think they lose fucking eight games this year.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Uh I think they're taking a step back this year. I really do. I think they may win 10, 11 games, maybe make the playoffs.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Maybe the fact Drake May was dog shit all fucking season.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

Well, during the season he was good, but the playoffs he was terrible.

SPEAKER_04 7:07

Like, I think like the last eight games they played, he was not good.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

The regular he was in the MVP conversation, so I have to give him that credit.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

But in- Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. The MVP conversation was trash this year. Garbage. Literally, it was fucking awful.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

Matthew Stafford won it rightfully. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

At no point did you think it was somebody else?

SPEAKER_03 7:32

People were trying to make the case for Drake May. Oh, but that's a problem.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

The young other person had a fucking case.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

You're not you're not very wrong. You're not very wrong on that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

Who else had a case? Um like two weeks it was fucking Rogers. What the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Rogers never had a case. He was awful. Um, he wasn't awful, he was just fine. Um, sorry, I can't be too negative. I find myself being so negative on Rogers, even though he technically did what he was supposed to do last year. Um, you're not wrong. There really wasn't, it was really a two-man race for the most part. Maybe you could have an outside argument for like a Puka Nakua for how good he was doing, or let's be honest, JSM was doing as great as he was.

SPEAKER_04 8:12

But again, it literally was just nothing.

Bijan Robinson And Running Back Pay

SPEAKER_03 8:16

Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. But so this is my thought. I think this trade gives more credence to the idea that the Eagles think they may be without AJ Brown to start next season. Because if you still have AJ Brown going into next season, why would you need to bring in a guy like Wicks and pay him the extra money when he wasn't good as a number one of the one of the number five number twos they had on their team last year? So I think this trade shows that there is a little bit of validity to that. Again, I don't think there should be, because I think, especially with the A with the uh the whole story about Jalen Hurts coming out last week about the whole thing about him and kind of like it pretty much out of them as pretty much saying, like, hey, all of the rumblings behind the scenes that said that Jalen Hurts was a part of the problem, that story proved that he was a part of the problem and that AJ Brown wasn't as crazy as what everybody would like for him to be. Did he handle like an adult? Probably not. But again, he's a wide receiver, so you kind of have to expect that to a certain degree. But if all this is happening, why would you again, I'm not gonna say why, because it's probab it's but there's a potential that it they fucked around for so long, now the the relationship between AJ Brown and the and the organization is so bad that now you have to get rid of him even if by the end of this next season they decide Jalen Hurts is gone too. So maybe that maybe that's the answer. Maybe the easiest answer is the right answer, is that you know AJ Brown, as good as he is and as talented as he is, the the the the relationship is so bad you have to get rid of him now. So maybe that is the case. But I think that that it's probably more possible now because of this trade, because it doesn't make any sense if you do decide to keep AJ Brown at all. Because even as a as a third, as a third receiver for you, giving him that kind of money doesn't make any sense to me at all. But again, for the Packers, I totally understand getting rid of him because you just have so many guys, you're not gonna pay them. So may as well get something out of them now as you power as as soon as you can, rather than letting them walk for free when you know they they're not gonna do shit for you anyway. 30 catches for 300 yards, don't even come on. Two touchdowns? Like, what are we doing? Again, I'm not I'm not sitting here saying that the Packers' offense is the greatest of all time, but they're good enough to if you're a good wide receiver, you should have more than two touchdowns and 30 catches in a season. So that's it on that one. It's really weird, but I think it does give a little bit of credence to the idea that AJ Brown may actually be gone um before this next season starts for the Philadelphia Eagles. Next story I wanted to talk about. The let's see here, what was it? The Falcons pick up the fifth-year option on B. John Robinson.

unknown 10:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Do you think we're gonna be going through this whole why running back trying to get paid hell all over again? Almost happening.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

It'll it was always gonna keep happening.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

You think so? Yes. I'm here here's my hope, right? Is that he is such a big proponent in that offense. Like, they literally don't have shit else. Like, I maybe I guess you can say that they have other pieces, but the two dudes on that team is B. John Robinson and it's why am I forgetting the wide receiver's name? That sucks for me. I oh, this is so bad. Drake London. Drake London. Those are the two guys for this offense. I do, I don't know. It's as soon as you show up, I I do I do forget names, but I just instantly just start Googling it to figure it out as I'm cursing myself out for forgetting the name. But those two are the main two dudes in this in this offense. They don't have a quarterback they believe in right now. They brought in Tua Tagovailoa to maybe be a guy to either take the job over or to push um nope, I I had his name. Uh not Desmond Ritter. I don't remember the guy before him. No, Michael Penny. Michael Pennox Jr.

SPEAKER_04 12:07

Desmond Ritter is on the fucking Saints.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Yeah, I remembered him, but I don't know how Michael Pennix. What? So either for Tua to take the job or for or for Michael Pennix to eat to be pushed to them become a here's the thing. He got hit late hurt so late in the season, he won't even be healthy to start the year, no matter what. So, with all that being the case, I think B. John Robinson is the only thing keeping fans coming into their stadium. They don't have shit else. They like they really don't have anybody else. Their defense, I guess, is halfway good. You now have a new coach in there. I think Kevin Stefansky will be able to pull whatever talent you have late in on that team.

SPEAKER_04 12:43

I think he'll be able to figure something out, even if you have this is where it changes me just a little bit. I think with Stefansky on the roster, I think it'll help a lot more with Penix because I think I know Stefansky's system is very quarterback friendly of just go through your progressions. Uh because if I recall, Stefanski's system is you go from left to right, but you never go back left. Once you are out of out of progressions, you now have to make an ultimate decision. Which is why it works so well for Baker.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

Yeah, as long as you're willing to listen to I think Stefansky is another, you know.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

Follow the scheme in it works.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Follow the scheme, and I'll get you somebody open. And again, I there were times where the Cleveland Browns offense did actually look good, mostly with Baker. So the idea that he could make either Tua or Michael Penix Jr. the potential answer, I would not be terribly surprised by that, especially with some of the answers, some of the weapons that they have in that offense. But here's the thing if Bijan leaves, what the fuck? Like I feel like this running back, more than anybody, he has not been hurt. He has been fairly healthy throughout his whole NFL career so far. He has been your best player. You literally can just throw him out the slot position, he can go catch passes for you all game and not have to run a bit. So I feel like of all the running backs that we have seen with Christian McCaffrey being like that dude, this is the closest thing to a Christian McCaffrey look-alike that we have in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Like being even more dynamic than Christian McCaffrey because of how B. John Robinson can put dudes on skates. Like that, like I just think B. John Robinson is so versatile that I feel like even if you want to have the like opt the thought process of, oh, is he going to be able to last long enough as a running back to make it worth the money we're going to have to pay him? But I'm just like, he gives you so much versatility everywhere that you could just diversify all of his touches to where you can keep him relatively healthy as long as he knows, and he's not one of those running backs that's going to be stupid and try to just go out there and put out some pain and try to put himself through anything. He will he knows how to play smart by like he really does. And he's athletic enough to do so. So I just think he is one of those players that you should not don't play the game.

SPEAKER_04 15:00

Especially when he's not like injury prone.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

He he has he's been relatively healthy, man.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

He has throughout college, he was never injured. Uh, and he gives you no problems. So it's almost like, why not pay him? I understand, like, you're gonna have to pay him top running back numbers.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

That's saying top running back money ain't that ain't that much, like 16 million, I think, is the top of the market right now for running backs. They do, health-wise, but that's what I'm saying. Like, he can go play sh you can go be your slot right now. That's the way they use him. Like, I'm just I'm just like, he's so versatile player and he can use him in so many different ways. I'm just like, he's that Christian McCaffrey where I think he could probably break the mold of being able to last a lot longer and still be very dynamic.

unknown 15:46

The Panthers and McCaffrey either.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

Yeah, but I also think that Christian McCaffrey has played better better since he left the Panthers. Yeah, you're right. They did pay him once and then traded him before they had to pay him again. True.

SPEAKER_04 16:09

I think it's just the way it works with running backs is you tag them first.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Yeah, it's just an edge.

SPEAKER_04 16:15

I think it's tag them to see if you get an offer. Because running backs, in all honesty, they are not a dime a dozen. You will find another good running back.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Uh not a Bijan level running back, dude.

SPEAKER_04 16:25

He is different. But again, a thousand yard rusher ain't all that fucking impressive.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

It's not, but the fact that Saquon gave you 2K in a season, I think it's what he did last year. I think he had I think he had almost a thousand rushing and receiving yards. Let me make sure I'm not crazy. Hold on, give me a second here.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Um stats.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

He had come on, you don't have to verify me. Come on. You know a profootball reference, they have to verify that you're not a robot looking go to their site. Like, what are robots doing going to their site? I don't I don't understand. So B. John Robinson in 2025, he had 1,500 yards rushing, seven touchdowns, and then he had 79 catches for 820 yards and four touchdowns. C had over 2,000 yards.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

I'm just saying that it's you can find that again.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Yes, but I th I I I just feel like there's a yes, you can find some sort of that production, but the combination of both Bijan is amongst the Saquons, the CMCs, like those top of the line dudes, those are those are very few and far between. So I just especially when you add that all into one player, like there's not a lot of dudes that can do both, like he is doing. So I don't know. I just feel like if they try to play that game with Bijan Robinson, man, I just feel like it's a disservice because he has been the only constant in that organization since he's been there, and they've been turning over coaches, they've been turning over quarterbacks, like all of that shit has been a turnstile, but ever since they drafted him, he has been a monster there and he is he's shown up to work and he's been there most most of the games he's played, and he's bawling out and giving your fans something to go watch. And that's where I'm sitting there. Like, unless you're gonna sit here and like I would be more okay with it if they just said, hey, we're just gonna trade you and they're just take the best offer they could possibly get. Don't play the will they will you won't you trade him or sign him type of thing like you've done with other running backs. Just sit here and say, either you're gonna sign him right now, or you're you're just gonna open it up to trade and just take the best offer you could possibly get, because I just want to see a guy like that go to a real contender like CMC kind of did, and go play for the best team he possibly can and go ball out there and not waste all of his talents in a spot where they're not gonna do winning to take advantage of it. That's that's where that's where the downside comes for me when you waste all of your prime on a team that's not gonna actually go for it and like put their great players in a in a position to go play winning football in a in a good situation. That that's what that's where the the this downside of it comes for me.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

And was there any other story I want to talk about here?

SPEAKER_03 19:25

Um oh the okay, so I asked you a quick question about it. You did you say you didn't know. So Mike Frabel, Patriots head coach, early on this past week, he it was early on this week, it was reported, it was like pictures that came out on TMZ. I think it was uh New York, not New York Times. I think it was New York Times or page six news, something like that. Pictures came out with him and a very popular football insider, Diana Roussini.

unknown 20:00

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

They were on a rooftop, kind of interlocking fingers, and they were there was a picture of them by the pool. And they were at a a romantic, it's like some one of those hotels where it's only for couples type of thing. And it was a big story that came out because obviously a head coach for an NFL football team, and then like probably the most famous women type of insider reporter kind of coming, like being to get by themselves together and potentially being a romantic relationship type of thing. Again, nothing can be proven. They both came out um with statements pretty much saying that there were other people there and all of that, but again, they're saying it was during the meetings that they were having, but there was like that hotel was like 30 minutes away from where those meetings were happening. So this is this is I I I think it's probably funnier for me because I'm more into the and all the NFL news than you are. This is what I'll do. I want to show you the photo real quick, and I just I want you to I want you to tell me if their story about just being friends makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Ain't Variable married.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

Oh no, they've both been married. Variable's been married since 99, and his all of his kids are grown, so there's no really kids, and then she has been married since 2020, and she has two children like under the age of five or something like that with a guy. And this same guy she talks about all the time when she's on television talking like that, she's she's kind of like not made fun of him, but it's like one of those self-deprecating, but they're willing to make make fun of their their spouses as well. And with her being the only one that has like a forward-facing job, apparently the guy that she's uh married to is like a top executive for like Shake Shack or something like that. So the dude makes money. Um but she makes fun of him all the time, so now this has kind of opened her up, and there's been other stories apparently about her messing around with Sean McVay years ago before he got married, and let's see. So it kind of brings up a lot of um different stories about people thinking that she kind of used the gift she was given to get up in her career.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

I don't know who even know who the fuck this is, dude.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Do those like two people that are just friends? Based on those three photos. Maybe you think so? Have you would if Malia saw you interlocking fingers with a girl she hadn't she doesn't know? Would she have no no, she's not the wrong priest, the wrong person to ask about that. Would a normal girl have an issue? Maybe. Maybe I don't know. By the pool?

SPEAKER_04 22:48

That's just chilling, relax.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

Okay. Again, this is all at a two-person, like a romantic hotel. And that rooftop up there is every hotel has their own private rooftop. And they were seen on that rooftop together by themselves. And apparently both of them said that they had other people there. Well, she her statement said there was other people. Look. Vrabel said there's nothing of nothing to this, and if you think there's anything more to it, you're it's laughable.

SPEAKER_04 23:19

From these photos, maybe. I don't know. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

The interlocking fingers is weird. Yeah, but that'll look like two friends is catching up to me. I wouldn't either, but I I think I heard somebody say this, say the the the level of which whether this is okay. Would those things be okay with your cousin?

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

I don't know. The finger thing is weird. That that's the one thing where I'm like, that is not not to mention Vrabel's not one of those people that's known to be very like a friendly person.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

I think I'm not gonna lie to you, it's the person, the place, the rat. The Vrabel is what's fucking me over of bro, you are fucked. Say goodbye to your marriage. Uh, because that isn't creating as fuck. Because that's how I know Vrabel is he's not a friendly motherfucker. No. So this is where it loses me.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

He's not one of those dudes to be going outside of his world unless he like actually like not messes with you, but like really like is wants to do something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

Uh the way I know Vrabel is football. Yeah. Uh I like football.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Football guy through and through.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

Uh so shakey.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Shakey damn. Again, here's my thing. With the job that he has, I don't think his owner is going to be able to look at him and say, Oh, you did a bad thing, because his owner was caught going to a massage parlor that was trafficking women, and that was a whole thing in himself. So I don't think the owner um is going to look at him and say, You did a bad thing, that what is this? Like, and again, at the end of the day, morally in the place that they're at, cheating on your wife, your spouse is not necessarily the craziest of things. It is one of the it's a normal thing in life, and especially in their line of work. So I don't think for him it really matters all that much. Whether you cheat on his wife or not, that's a whole thing. But for her, for a person that's supposed to be an insider that's supposed to be impartial, and for people to look at you and be able to trust the information you're giving out, like, because she went off the grid, didn't post it all. Yesterday she put an innocuous post about something totally different, just threw it out there. Do you know one of the all the first things that were coming out about her was everybody clowning her? So now I think with the what she has done in her own in her own field, is now gonna be questioned, she's gonna be clowned for the rest of time, and nobody's gonna take her seriously. That's where I think the issue is. Because again, cheating on your it happens, and it's I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and like poo-poo and say you're such a terrible person and all of that, because it happens throughout life, it is what it is. But I'm just but when it comes to you being taken seriously as a professional, once this door has been opened by saying maybe you're sleeping your way into getting the information you're getting, you're not helping that type of talk when you get caught doing something like this potentially. So it was a very funny thing, and they kind of took over the internet for for a few days there. But I don't know. I think this I think the picture just looks very incriminating, especially with Vrabel. He's just not known to be one of those lovey dovey guys unless he wants to be lovey dovey.

unknown 26:34

Yeah.

Quick NFL Notes Before A Detour

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Like, even guys like he um does like he the bustling with the boys, he's like very friendly with them. But like that is like the most of it, and I'm just like, there's some things I'm just like I don't see him being a guy that interlocked fingers with people. That's just not what he that's not what what he kind of put him makes it makes himself out to be as a human. Um so that was it on that. And oh, Drew Samples leaving the leaving the Bengals too. Cam Sample, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yeah.

UFL Game Night In Columbus

SPEAKER_03 27:06

He's going to the Niners. Okay, well, that sucks. Okay, um, any other NFL stories I want to talk about here? I don't think so. Okay, that's about it on this on the stories I wanted to talk about. Let's go at oh, we didn't talk about we haven't talked about our experience with the with the um with going to the game. So we went to the UFL football game here in Columbus, the Aviators versus the DC Defenders. I went into it very skeptical about the football on the field. You were a lot more positive going into it than I was about the whole experience. But what I can say coming out of it was the football on the field was not great. But it was inner not sorry, when it comes to like ex and those on the field was not great football. But it was entertaining football. The vibe in there was great.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Okay, let me stop you right there. Okay. DC defenders play great football. That's what the whole problem was is the DC defenders have fucking NFL coordinators. No, their coordinator was the coordinator for the Chiefs. He was head coach head coach for the Chiefs for three years, then he coordinated with the bet with the Steelers. Who was that? Bro, this is how I know you don't do fucking research. Every other team in the UFL has coordinators who were coordinators in the NFL. We have Tedkin Jr.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Shannon Harris?

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

No, he wasn't a head coach in the NFL. Shannon Harris? Yeah, that's the head coach of the DC Defenders right now. But again, the problem is I agree with you on the fact that the DC Defenders are a much better football team.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

We played yesterday. Uh I want you to know we got packed. Their head coach served as an assistant coach with the Baltimore Ravens. You wanna guess when this motherfucker's Super Bowl ring on his hand. There's a reason they're two and oh right now. Uh dude, he coached as a graduate assistant at UCLA, then the University of Rick New Heisel of Colorado, then the University of Washington.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

I know of him, yes. I know who he is.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

Okay, so there's a there's a gap, right? Uh-huh. With the teams in the UFO, okay, the Birmingham Stallions, they've existed for forever. They existed before these things merged. Yeah. They've existed. Their coaching staff is the same thing. Um I know that guy. It's almost like he was an NFL quarterback. I believe he can call a play.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Um Alabama quarterback, bro. He won one or two national championships with them.

SPEAKER_04 30:38

And a Heisman Trophy finalist. I'm just saying it's not exactly good for us. Like we have a team, right? They're very smart. Very smart with how they schedule our coaches. A lot of the coaches they have. I think he knows what the fuck he's doing at this point.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

I'm just about the actual players and what like the when I'm comparing the football there and what like when I'm used to it playing a high, high-level college football, there is a difference there. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

No, and I understand that, but that difference does start at having good coaches.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

No, for sure. But uh at the end of the day, there's just some talent they're not gonna be able to get at that level. That other Did you see the motherfucking they had throwing for us? This nigga's ass. Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

I watched uh I don't I can't remember his name. What's his name? The quarterback for the other one, the one that has the uh younger brother who plays for OC.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Yeah, Julian Sands' older brother. Um it's something Saiyan, obviously.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

Yeah, he's not good again. I sorry, I was gonna go to the next head coach of the Houston Gamblers, head coach of the University of Houston. Um what's his name? Kevin Sullivan.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

I think that name sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Head coach of Texas AM.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Kevin Sumlin? Yeah, he was yeah, he used to be, yeah. Yeah, I remember.

SPEAKER_04 32:22

And Arizona. We have Ted Ginn Jr. Yeah. Again, man, it it works, but it doesn't work because Ted Ginn Jr. doesn't can't call fucking plays.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Or the OC that he has calling plays can't call plays.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

No. No, no, no.

unknown 32:48

I know that's more fucking too.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

This is just how the coaches are.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Okay, let me just get to the football on the field. So let me get to the stadium. We show up to the stadium, relatively well packed. It was the first home game for the um aviators here in Columbus. Vibes were high. There was a lot of tailgating. When we showed up, it was the game started at 8 o'clock. We showed up at like 6:30 thinking, oh, we're gonna get in here because Jace wanted the free t-shirt they were gonna give to the first 5,000 fans that got into the stadium. We were one of the first 5,000, but people were going crazy. Honestly, they were tailgating as if it was an Ohio State game because at the end of the day, what I said before we even like even walked into this place, I'm like, hey Jace, this is the city of Columbus in the state of Ohio that loves football in also in all of its forms, high school football, college football, and then in the NFL, even if the NFL teams don't like the fans by putting out good good football teams out there. The people of Ohio love their football. And for the idea to have some sort of team playing in the spring that the especially the city of Columbus can get behind, because let's be honest, football is the main thing that drives this state. I knew that there were going to be people there. I honestly I even underestimated how many people were there because for the most part, filled up the stadium. Like for the it was like, how many people can fit in that stadium? Um old crew Stark crew stadium.

unknown 34:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

About 20k, 20,000 people can fit in that stadium. I would say it was around 70 to 80 percent full because the the totally high parts weren't.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

So I would say part was, but they were using the other side for cameras.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

Okay, so that that's that's where I'm sitting here like, okay, you mostly filled the stadium, everybody showed up. It was a very good vibe. People were bought people really buy in, and when we showed up there, it was a fun time. They had fireworks going off, they had a halftime show with an artist that I vaguely heard of. Jace had never heard of. Even though some of the music song, some of the songs, it was a country music artist. I'm not a big country music fan, but I know enough where I'm like I can get around a little bit. He some of those songs were familiar.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

The part of singing, he's not exactly country, he's kind of just singing.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

It's like pop country type of thing.

unknown 35:09

That's a good word for it.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Um, but it it was a fun time all around. We should we we uh were there till like m like mostly through the fourth quarter. I think it was a very fun time. The football on the field was a little was better than I thought it was going to be, at least when it comes to being entertaining. There were some big plays. It again, the the starkness and what the two teams were definitely didn't help in that fact. But it wasn't like we were watching a bunch of NFL players on a football field, but I think they were all relatively well matched for the most part when it comes to player versus player. There were some big hits. And at the end of the day, football is football. You can have fun watching it.

SPEAKER_04 35:44

It's our offensive coordinator. Who was head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs at one point, offensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers and Cleveland Browns?

SPEAKER_03 35:54

Who is this?

SPEAKER_04 35:55

Todd Haley.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Oh, he knows what he's doing calling plays.

SPEAKER_04 35:59

Oh, that means that the offense really is just that bad.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

Or they just can't trust the quarterback to do the things they needed to do because all they did was call screens all or dig um slant, not slant routes, freaking drags. All they did all game. They did not try to throw the football down the field at all in that game.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

They did, I'm pretty sure, got picked off by a lineman.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

No, even that was just going like maybe 10-15 yards down the field. Like they were not trying to open the field up at all.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

And then the DC Captain Munderlin. Never heard of that. Ten-year NFL career as a cornerback with Carolina, Minnesota, and the Bills.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Okay. Can't argue with that one.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

And Teddy Good Jr. One of these things or no.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Look, I can, yes, I can get behind the idea that maybe there needs to be some. I'm not saying that this football shouldn't exist. I I've always been a proponent of if this football can't it has its niche, it's playing in the spring where college football and the NFL don't reside. Damn. They know who they are and they're trying to stick to that. They're not trying to go into crazy big stadiums. They're doing everything they need to do the right way, and they're kind of going into, especially with even with expansion, they're going into cities that they know that there is a little bit of a hankering football.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

Ted Ginn Jr. had 1900 yards.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

Yeah. He was an I told you he was a real NFL player.

SPEAKER_04 37:24

Yeah. 15 TDs.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

He was a dude. I told you that.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Who the fuck was coming out in 2006 for him to be the ninth overall pick?

SPEAKER_03 37:32

He was a dude. And the only thing that made him a ninth overall pick and not higher was that he got hurt. He got hurt in the champion, the national championship game that we Ohio State had played against Florida. Yeah, that was against Florida. He got literally hurt in the first play because he had ran a touchdown back all the way, like literally the opening kickoff he ran back for a touchdown. Got hurt celebrating. And then that's why he was well, he was picked ninth because he was just that's why he was just hurt.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

Oh, he is born and lived in Ohio until he graduated.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

His his dad, Ted Ginn Sr. Um, coaches one of like the more popular schools in Cleveland, uh Glenville in Cleveland. He did.

SPEAKER_04 38:13

Ted Ginn Jr. did.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

No, no, no. His dad still coaches there.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

Oh, that's what he was doing.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

His dad was his he wasn't coaching at Glenville.

SPEAKER_04 38:22

After his NFL state, he played a pivotal role in coaching and leadership at Glenville High School. Yeah, he was.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

Yeah, but his dad's been coaching there for like 20 years. Like the head coach has been there for like 20 years.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

Okay, but again.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Again, the school Arvel Reese came from.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

Our head coach has zero fucking coaching experience. This is my whole problem.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

Oh, yeah, especially in high levels, yeah, for sure. He doesn't have any. No, no, I totally agree with that fact.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

But I was just one telling you that football, but I can again the DC defenders are another one that have existed for forever. They've won the championship three fucking times. They know what the fuck they're doing. Um I don't know. It was enjoyable football. It was enjoyable. There's enjoyment to it.

SPEAKER_03 39:06

I think the buy-in from the other fans around us helped. In that fact, because everything that happened, they were all very locked in. They were yelling at the refs, they didn't agree with the calls. There were so many side swipes about the Bengals and the Browns.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

Never mind. Ted Ginn Jr. was supposed to be the ninth overall pick. My fault. What do you let me guess? That draft.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

What was what was the guys before him?

SPEAKER_04 39:28

Uh let's start with Calvin Johnson was at two. It doesn't fucking matter. No, for sure, yeah. Uh motherfucker, PFF won't work if I have an ad blocker on. Uh literally, there's two Hall of Famers on this list already. Uh-huh. Two and three. Now number one was Jamarcus Russell. And now we're looking at Jamarcus Russell, he was six foot fucking five. At the time the pick made sense. There's nothing to say he was bad. But you have Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, don't know, don't know, LaRon Landry, and Adrian Peterson. Then Jamal Anderson, then Ted Gid Jr.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Okay, he could have picked a tad bit higher, but not much higher. Like two slots over Adrian Peterson? Not over Adrian, but I'm saying everybody gets pulled up a little bit and he would get if they did a redrafting.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

Yeah, four through six can kind of leave. And then we'll just like, and whoever the fuck Jamal Anderson in. Because Patrick Willis was at 11. And Darrell Reavis was at 14. Marshawn Lynch was also at 12. This was a stacked draft. I think I'm starting to realize. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

Alright, so you're not trying to battle the if the football was good or not. So I think overall the vibe you liked it, it was good.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

The football was good. Um rephrasing this. There was players on the field that I looked at, I'm like, you'll be on somebody's practice squad here soon. Uh or you could see their deficiency on the field. The running back for the aviators was very fucking good. He is five foot eight. Yeah. That was his whole problem. Everything else he had some good breakaway speed when he got around the edge and he'd go. But it wasn't elite speed for his size.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

Yes, but here's the thing you also have to take into effect is that he's playing against a bunch of potentially non-NFL players, so maybe the speed doesn't look as crazy on an NFL feed with field with NFL dudes.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Which was the whole problem, which is why he's in the UFL. Right. You're five foot eight, you have good speed, but everyone around you has good speed. Everyone around you that's a skill position is probably hitting at like a 4-8.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

I think the skill position is not is it kind of the part where I think they can get closer to what high-level college football or NFL can be.

SPEAKER_04 41:56

When he got else besides a defensive backward safety with not was the person. No, for sure. But it was the O-lines that in D-lines that were like, this is horrible.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

No, for sure. But all in all, it was a good time. And we would go back, we will go back again at some point.

SPEAKER_04 42:13

I think it was it was decent football. There was football being played, there were schemes being played. Um the Bengals jokes were hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

And the Browns jokes are all funny.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

Zach Taylor could call better plays. I don't know about that gang. I don't know about that. Um that shit's funny though.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

I there was somebody that said they they play they pay a lot less money for the defense to look just like the Bengals.

unknown 42:38

Dude, that shit was hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

Sideswipes of the Bengals were insane that night. But I think all in all it was a very fun time. We'll go again. And I think having football like that in the spring is not a bad thing in a place like this where there is some real buy-in for fans to go watch it, even if I think some of them are actually actually crazy people. Um and I'm I'm one of those people that I think I am crazy about certain teams, but I think I'm not necessarily like, you know, Ted Gang Jr.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

was hurt hurt.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

What? That ended his career?

SPEAKER_04 43:11

He was hurt hurt.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Yeah. But again, he still had a 13-year NFL career that was still very good. When going in college? Yeah, it was an ACL that he that he messed up in that last game.

SPEAKER_04 43:27

No, I can tell.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

I told you he was a real he was a real guy at Ohio State, man.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

It did not transfer. What? It did not transfer.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

To his NFL career? He did not transfer. You literally just said he had a fit 1300 yard year in the NFL. Yes, it did.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

No, no. He had a nineteen hundred yard year career year. He had a what? Nineteen hundred yard year in two thousand and six. Mm-hmm. He was drafted in two thousand and seven. Uh huh. His best year was seven hundred eighty seven.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

Ted Gr NFL stats. I'm not saying he's a Hall of Famer or anything. He played 13 years. He had a total of 700 400 receptions in his career, over 5,000 yards.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

5,742.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

33 touchdowns. I think that's that's a pretty good NFL career. He got paid multiple multiple times over. He played for some good teams. He was with Carolina.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

You know what that is?

SPEAKER_01 44:51

No.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Yeah, you had about 2,000 less than him. About 150 less receptions and 11 less touchdowns. Random!

SPEAKER_03 45:05

A 13-year-old NFL career is nothing to sneeze at, my b my guy.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

This guy's a Pro Bowl.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Teddy Game Jr. made a Pro Bowl.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

This guy has several thousand yard seasons. No, he didn't. No, Teddy Game Jr. did not make a pro bowl. Fuck out of here with that shit. That shit comes up right on the front of his profile or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Did he not? I thought he did.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

Now his college stats. Video game. His college stats is a fucking video game.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

Award 20 2007 all rookie team.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

Dang, okay. No probles. Got it.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Now again, his college stats, video game, bro.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

No, he was a dude.

SPEAKER_04 46:01

Now he just straight up receiving. He just has yards from scrimmage.

unknown 46:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:06

Just yards from scrimmage. Him and Troy Smith tore it up for a few years. He had 100 rushing yards one year, which is not crazy, but as a receiver, it's kind of crazy. And then y'all were having this motherfucker on kick returns. 266, 250, 38, 84, 900 total yards.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

He was a dog.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

It is interesting. Okay. Or that ACL hurt him more than people assume.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

It didn't help. But I 13 NFL, a 13-year career in the NFL is nothing, it's not bad at all, dude. NFL will trade you out, like they'll they'll get rid of you so quick, dude. Okay. Alright, I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Lauren Landry.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

I'm done fight. I'm done fighting this. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

LaRon Landry. I can't remember this nigga anymore.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

Why I gotta do this? Wait, why can't I have a little bit of hype for one player who played at Ohio State? That had a good NFL career. 13 years, bro? 13 years? Average NFL career is four years. He did more than doubled that. Sorry. He more than tripled that. I think he did a good job. I think I I shall be made fun of for thinking that, okay?

SPEAKER_04 47:22

Alright, you got anything else that's bad to say or so fucking lucky this wasn't the right Steve Smith or recording a fucking new one.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

Alright, you you're done talking about the uh UFL now.

SPEAKER_04 47:37

Uh this guy.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

This guy. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

I want to keep going.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

Fuck you. You're lucky to have a person. Fucking ass.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Doo doo. Do do do do do. Do do do do do. Doo doo do do do do. Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_04 48:03

He wasn't good as this guy. Hold on. He wasn't good as this guy right here.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

What guy?

SPEAKER_04 48:08

This guy right here.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

Of course not. Calvin Johnson's a Hall of Famer. What do you what argument do you think I was about to have? Hall of Famer. What what do you want me to say about that?

unknown 48:23

Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

We're gonna talk about long careers.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Yeah, long career in Jeremiah's Russell, the number one overall pick in that year.

SPEAKER_04 48:28

You have a long career in this man right here?

SPEAKER_03 48:31

Obviously not. Shut up.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

There's not once but twice.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Those are all Hall of Famers, all-time people that have ever played the game.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

Actually, Adrian Peterson is not a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_03 48:44

He will be a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

Well. My apologies. I'm not saying that he's not a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

You're saying he's not one yet?

SPEAKER_04 48:53

I'm saying he's not eligible for the Hall of Fame yet.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_04 48:56

Not until this coming year he's eligible.

SPEAKER_03 48:58

He will be a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Because he got out in 2021. That's to be five years. Yes. So he's eligible in 2027. So he will be a Hall of Famer. I needed to articulate.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

It's not a function of if, it's when.

SPEAKER_04 49:08

Yes, before whatever fans we do have, tear me a fucking new one of what the fuck did he say? I say a lot of outlandish shit.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

I figured you meant that, because like there's no way you truly meant that he's not worthy of being a Hall of Famer. He's only one of the best running backs of all time in the NFL.

SPEAKER_04 49:23

Like, we're not doing this. Tear an ACL and then go for 2000.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_04 49:27

So and he came back in like a fraction of the time he was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_03 49:31

Other than beating his kid with a belt, he didn't, he did, he was fine.

Belt Discipline Argument Goes Off Rails

SPEAKER_04 49:34

That kid probably deserved it. You got beat with a belt. Or I got beat with a belt. We turned out alright.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

The only downside is our mom wasn't famous when she did it.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

Real quick. I hate that kid with a belt to an extent is okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

I'm not gonna go there. You you can you can get the same message across without a belt. You can.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

No, our sister deserved that belt. Every time she got it.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Like, I think a sp a spatula is not as bad as a belt. A belt's too close to what we were whipped with when we were when black people were slaves and stuff. Like, that's where that's where for me, like I would take a ladle over a belt any day.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

Fuck you. That bitch would not we scrap it.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Well, most roll plastic nowadays, so the plastic ain't that bad at all.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

Nah, see, this belt is leather. Fuck around. I get a studded one.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

I just I think that the going with a leather belt is just a little bit too, you know, close to the source material, if you know what I mean. If you know what I mean, let's see. Or like when they're an age, right?

SPEAKER_04 50:37

If they're younger than 10, you can yell at them. They go figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:42

Just fuck around. You 13.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

But at that point, if you're if you're dealing with like your son, you can fight them in the yard and that'd be better than getting like beating with a belt.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

No the f what? Because now I'm just whooping your ass.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

I think that's I think at least give them a chance to defend themselves. You just put him over your knee and whipping him.

SPEAKER_04 51:00

You don't want no chance to defend yourself from me. Because now if you gotta defend yourself, now you man, huh? Because now I'm swinging on you.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

Obviously, they won't be able to do anything.

SPEAKER_04 51:09

But then I could just hit you with a belt. We got this over with.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

I just think whooping the belt is just primitive. We don't need to do that. We don't need to do it.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

I hope to guide you never have some spoiled ass kid. I I don't give our nephew Lee way, and I love you. I don't give our nephew Lee way either. Yeah, but that little motherfucker at times deserves a fucking belt.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

I have never had to hit him ever. All I do is get loud because again, I've set this, I set the tone early for him as a child where if I get loud, it's time, it's time to shut up and listen.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

That's that kid. That's because our sister's a fucking pansy ass, and I don't really think can get loud with her son because she loves him just a little too much.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

No, she's always loud. That's the problem. She's been she's loud everywhere, so her getting loud doesn't mean nothing.

SPEAKER_04 51:55

Right? Okay, there's levels to it. Okay, but that's him. I truly think he's a just a nice kid. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

That's a little stupid because he's a boy.

SPEAKER_04 52:08

I don't think there is any other way to deal with a kid like our sister. Besides fucking beating. There was no other way to deal with it.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

But I'm saying we deal with Kalan without having to do so. Because guess what? He understands what time it is. That's a like he's a But here's the thing, he's only like that with he's only like that with his mother.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

But again, that's because his mother gives him that leeway.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Yeah, but everybody else doesn't give him that leeway. He knows what the rules are and he sticks to it. And again, that's if you can do that to a child from a young age, but there's you can handle that.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

Straight dog care.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Yes, obviously there are some spawn, our sister, that make it happen that way. But again, I just feel like those are few and far between. We just don't, I just don't, I don't think the belt is needed. Or or the one the story's about from our parents, like they their parents made him go pick a switch. What kind of fucking shit is psychological bullshit is that? That's crazy. Go pick a go pick a switch from outside. Okay, okay, okay. That's some bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

Now, I do I had a friend whose mom would have whose uh mom would have him do that, right? But she would never hit him with the switch. It would just sit there.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

That's worse than some psychological bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

That's crazy. That's some cr that's craziness. That's a little different. It's hard to have a heart to hark with your dog and make it understand you.

unknown 53:31

What? Tomato is tomatoes.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

No, I don't think so. I can talk things out with Kalan in a way that you cannot never will be able to talk to your dog that way.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Listen to me. Listen to me. I don't negotiate with fucking children.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

This is where you lose. I don't either. I will I will let a child child.

SPEAKER_04 53:54

Do this day. Nigga don't like Fruity Pebbles. To this day, that motherfucker don't like Fruity Pebbles.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

And if you bring up that story to him, he will he will talk about it and it will still put him back into that same trauma. I'm not gonna lie to you. I I might be that boy's favorite person. But here's the thing he that moment that you had a hard out, you didn't even do anything bad to him. You had a hard, this is what's gonna happen, or you're gonna go sit down. Again. And that's all that was necessary. The same five-year-old kid that our sister thinks is unmanageable.

SPEAKER_04 54:25

Well, he's six now, but no, he's perfectly manageable. Exactly. Again, I gotta raise my boys. That kid now's 15.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

Then that's the age you can go beat, just beat him up.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

Now I'm just beating the kid. No, you know, y'all. If at 15, that is somebody that's able to fight for themselves.

unknown 54:45

At 15?

SPEAKER_03 54:46

If he did something that bad.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

I'm going to jail. You're gonna need a like a breathing tube. So I'm gonna give you the option. I get this belt or I'm gonna put these paws on you. See, that's the problem. That's the problem. At 15, Joe, I'm a big dude. You bucked up at me. I'm gonna put this grown man scrangth on you. And I realize this at 15, Joe. So if I'm 15, you're 25? No, no, that's 10 years. You were 24, 23, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:26

22. You're 23, there's seven years between us, dude.

SPEAKER_04 55:31

You're 23. If I'm 15, you're 23. Your birthday's before mine. If I'm 15, you can simultaneously.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

How old are you right now?

SPEAKER_04 55:44

My nigga, how do you about turn?

SPEAKER_03 55:46

30. Okay, if I'm 15, at the end of this year, you're gonna be 24. 23. Sorry, but 23.

SPEAKER_04 55:53

If I'm 15, in a year, if I turn 15, you will be both 23 and 22, my nigga. What I'm saying is still correct.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

We are less than eight years apart.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

In a year, in a calendar fucking year, doesn't it be year before mine?

SPEAKER_03 56:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:11

Alright. So I was 15 in July.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Oh, now you're putting a timestamp on it, bro.

SPEAKER_04 56:20

That's the problem. What I'm saying is right.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

You're not right.

SPEAKER_04 56:24

If I'm 15, how old were you that year dude?

SPEAKER_03 56:27

Anytime before June, which is most of the way through halfway through the year. July July.

SPEAKER_04 56:31

August.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

We're six and a half months apart.

SPEAKER_04 56:34

November. December! We're 13.

SPEAKER_03 56:37

We're seven years, six months apart.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

Which okay, which means we're not eight years apart. It is literally there's six months you're 22 during the year, and there were six months you were 23.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

Okay, so you know what that means? That means I can say you were 22 or 23. Both fucking apply. Both apply.

SPEAKER_03 56:56

But I'm saying you're you're making it making it to where it's a cat, it's a rule that I'm always eight years older than you. That's not the case.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

At the time you were in this story. We're not in the touch. You don't know that. We we had thought about something, and I like we were, I don't know if we were like a shoving match or whatever, but there was a moment where I was like, damn, this nigga's wrong. Of you had this thing that I didn't have. It's that grown man strength. You know what I'm talking about. Braylon's probably about my size.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:28

We're probably like 60 pounds between us at this point. Yeah, he's probably like 220.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

There is a functional strength of having to go out and work for something on a daily basis that you just don't have as a child.

SPEAKER_04 57:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:40

Unless you are a supreme athlete to a certain extent where you're like putting your body through the worst of things.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

I got asthma. I know he does too. That shit's genetic. So let my own son buck up at me. Here's I'm gonna give you a gun. Give you a fighting chance. Don't let me get close. Because if you if I do, I'm fucking up your femur. Like that's that's just worse. You know how demoralizing at 17 it would be not even like scarring, demoralizing. 17.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

Did your ass beat by your dad? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:26

With a belt.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

That's the thing. With a belt's not necessary. At that age, it's not necessary. It's not even necessary then.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

That's it's not it's demoralizing.

SPEAKER_03 58:36

You're trying, you're trying to demoralize your 17-year-old? Come on, bro. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

But you can get you can get the you you were skipping class, huh?

SPEAKER_04 58:52

Go ahead and go sit over here.

SPEAKER_03 58:53

You ain't about to skip the trying to break their will like a horse.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

Stop playing with or let you touch that belt soon as I get it back. Straight metal buckle. Straight metal buckle.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

See, that's just that's that we can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 59:10

You're boondocks.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

I I'm not as big of a boondocks fan as you are.

SPEAKER_04 59:14

Bro, you miss it now. Brad, a thing, a thing of belts. You bro. Hit him with this. Look, man. I was hit by the belt probably twice. Ain't never get hit. I did have to get a hit by him on twice.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

I think I was a spoon. I got hit with a ladle one time. That's pretty much it. At least the way I can remember.

SPEAKER_04 59:35

I got hit twice. Both times for stealing.

SPEAKER_03 59:37

I think mom says I got one like very early on, but I was a very young kid, but other than that, I really like it.

SPEAKER_04 59:41

Both times for stealing. Once all Huber when I stole the uh wind-up toys from Michaels and left them on the table like a dumbass. I can't remember the other time, but I got hit twice with a belt.

SPEAKER_03 59:53

I think I caught I only did the stealing thing once, and that was at Meyer. They had the little candy thing where you can just put the spoon. I had candy in my pocket. I lose candy in my pocket.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:03

That was the other one. I stole the roll-oves.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:05

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:06

I see. Nah, you can't put it in your pocket. You should eat the candy right there.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:08

Nah, I put it in my pocket. Got caught. I got caught. She didn't beat me though. She maybe take it back and maybe had to tell them that I stole it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:16

I got whooped for stealing rollos.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

For different strokes for different folks, I didn't need to get beat. You and you and my sister did.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:23

I only took twice.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:24

Yes, you took a lot less than our sister did for sure. She took all the she took all the beatings for everybody. Like she was Westwood.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:31

We weren't even the ghetto no more.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

She took all the oxygen out of the room for that one. Like that's she took all the punishments. No questions asked. And again, that's translated down to her child where he doesn't listen to her for anything. She could do whatever she wants to him, and he'll look at her. He called her a murderer today. He called her a murderer, man. And he just thinks he he's he thinks he's funny. And then also he doesn't listen to her at all. So that's that's her own personal hell for what she did to us as children.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

Oh god, does her, but again.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:01

So no children for Jace. He's gonna he's gonna beat him with a belt.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:06

Let you fuck around and me have to beat you with a belt. I'll come to your apartment, come beat you with a belt. Knock on a door.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:17

Of all the things we could ever go on the tangent for, and it's for Adrian Peterson beating his kid and we're going down this road. What do you mean? How is it crazy we disagree on this?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:28

I think we would we'd have different parenting styles. You want to negotiate with this child. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Uh-uh. No, no, no. Best thing. Negotiating is a very different thing. That says that they have an actual right. Where I what what I will do is I am more okay with waiting you out because the whining thing, all that stuff is not gonna work on me. Once I've come to a decision, I'm not breaking off of that. It's it is what it is. There is no outwaiting me. I'm just gonna wait you out. I the all the other crying and all that, it doesn't it goes one ear and out the other.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

Look at me. I have a dog. When it was cold outside, he didn't want to come inside. I wait, you watched me wait him out one night.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

Yeah. But I think that's enough. It's showing you have the will to do whatever to stick with you what with what you're doing, no matter what they do. That breaks their will more than anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

Nah, I stopped waiting him out one night. Locked all the I locked all the cages. Shut every door. Give me a minute, and they go run from me. You want to run on me outside, run for me here. Hey bro. He comes in all for his whistle, don't he?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

He does. He does.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

Right inside. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

No doubt.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:40

You skip it, class? Oh, you about to learn something from me. Hey, real quick. It'll never take more than twice.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

Sometimes it will. It is what it is. But that's why I think there has to be a different different style.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:53

If I get even slightly annoyed, you don't even want to fight me. So if I have a kid just like her, all I gotta do is hey. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

You're the dominating personality. That's kinda is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:10

Yeah. Man, I I said I didn't want a little brother and Fonzo punched me in the chest. Jimmy. And I still don't like that little nigga.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

Now it's because he's too much like you.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:28

Oh God.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

That's where the problem is.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:30

Call him twice a day, curse him out.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

Even though if you took the set that same shit, you'd do the you would act the exact same way. Okay. If anything, you'd act worse. When you cursed him out yesterday, he hung up on you. You would you wouldn't, if you were it was going the other way and you were getting cussed out on, you would not only hang up, you would show up where they're at and try to fight them and try to fight.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:52

Yeah, okay. But again, that's a different. See, mom raised me great.

unknown 1:03:57

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:57

You won't talk shit. We're gonna fight about it. See, bro, that little bitch. He's gonna hang up on me. Throw that throw them one, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

He's not gonna throw that. He's not gonna do that.

Chris Simms Receiver Rankings Set Up

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Alright, let's get to the other things we want to talk about. We're done going on this tangent. So, Chris Sims, wide receiver rankings. He does it every year, every time, especially when it includes. You know what he's gonna fucking do next year? I know he's gonna do this next year because obviously Jeremiah's gonna be the number one receiver, if not the number one player coming out of college ball next year in the next draft. He's gonna find a way to call him the number one receiver, but say some bullshit as to why another guy is actually close to him when we're when there literally is nobody else. Don't do this. Don't try to do the Nick Marsh thing, please. I I I love Nick Marsh. He's awesome, but he's not Jeremiah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

By all comparison, that'd be as close as Khan.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Yes, but I'm still there's still a gap. There's still a wide gap between the two.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:51

Hold on. Is there a gap or is this nigga at Michigan State? Let's get this correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:55

He's at Indiana now.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:56

So credit my boy a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

He's at Indiana now.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:59

So if he doesn't do it at Indiana, his quarterback was a guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:02

He'll be at Indiana now with good coaching and all of that. And if he still isn't Jeremiah Smith, will you be able to be able to eat that?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:08

That's the thing. I'm not saying he's Jeremiah Smith.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:11

I know, but I'm saying you understand that. I think I think Chris Sims will find a reason to say Jeremiah Smith isn't who he's been literally since he stepped onto a golf rubber field.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:26

Now he's going to a place that has the sh has everything he needs.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:32

So again, I'm not saying he's gonna put up 1,500 yards. I'm saying he could put up like 12. Yeah. Because I've seen he put up 11 his first year at Michigan State. Yeah. So with good coaching, I don't know. He's good. Okay. But again, I'm not saying they're far. I'm saying they're comparable.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole with you. I really am. Am I wrong? Huh? What do you what do you mean? I I think when it comes to there are physical Gifts that Nick Marsh has that are in the same store, not in the same section, if that makes sense to you. Yes, it does. They're in the same store. They're not in the same section. I think Jeremiah Smith is a literal once in a like close to like generation's probably literally far because generation's a little bit heavy of a word. But he's like a once in a tenure talent. Like you're not like that's what type of talent he is.

unknown 1:06:29

I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:30

What do you mean? We haven't seen a guy like this in Julio. Like that that literally comes, steps onto a college ball field and dominates from day one. And let's be honest, Jeremiah Smith has dominated in a way at Ohio State now in a way that Julio didn't at Alabama. But again, at Alabama they didn't want to be throwing the football like that, but again, he turned them into that because of how good he was. But Jeremiah Smith is one of those type of talents you don't you do not see. Like that is that's how rare it is what he can do.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

I didn't mean to want to go on this rabbit hole. I was just trying to make a statement about how Chris Sims just has a thing against Ohio State receivers.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

What do you mean, okay? Alright. Because I have a feeling I'm gonna start going, I'm gonna start going and doing on doing what I'm actually trying to do, and then you're gonna come up with something here in the next five minutes with some type of thing to try to argue this. So should I should I just wait for you to come up with what you're gonna come up with, or can I just go with this, go with what I have without you butting back in to have this argument.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

Okay. Okay, good. I'm good to go.

Do You Need 4.4 Speed

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

Okay. I was making that thing about Chris Sims because he is a literally for over the last, especially since Ohio State has made this jump of being a school with Brian Hartline to have all these wide receivers coming out and playing very well, not only playing well in college, but coming out in the NFL and playing great there. Literally, the year that both Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson were being drafted and they were both first-round picks, he had them both outside of his top five receivers coming out of college football. And that so ever since then, he has always been very low on Ohio State wide receivers by comparison to other receivers coming out in college football, not only maybe because of his actual expertise as what he likes as from receivers, but I just think from Ohio State, if you're coming out of Ohio State and you're a receiver, he has you on a lower totem pole for some you have there has to be a bigger sense of proof that you have to have in order to pass his test for whatever reason. So most recently, he had came out with a couple wide receiver rankings a couple weeks ago that took me down this rabbit hole. So for him, he had his top five receivers in this upcoming, this upcoming draft. His number one was Denzel Boston, a wide receiver out of um Washington, Jordan Tyson, wide receiver out of Arizona State. Chris Brazzle was his number three, who was a wide receiver out of um Tennessee. Carnell Tate, the Ohio State receiver, he has a number four, and then he has Zachariah Branch at the number as the number five receiver. And when it comes to general consensus, people look at Carnell Tate as a potential top 10 type of pick receiver because he has a size. He's not necessarily the fast receiver, but he has shown to have enough production at the receiver predic uh receiver position, be able to get down the field, make big plays, and be able to like he doesn't have the crazy explosive speed, the 4-4 type of thing, but he has enough to be able to be one of the top receivers in this upcoming draft and the top receiver in the NFL. Because what I want to say before I get into my thoughts on these receivers, Jace, can you name me the top five receivers in the NFL right now? This past season, the top five receivers production-wise in the NFL.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:09

Pukanakua.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:11

Um JSN, right? Mike. Jamar Chase is up there, right? Obviously.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:29

Um, let's see who are the other ones that we would talk about. Obviously, Jay Jettas. Yeah. Jay Jeddas, and then we're going to talk about who's another one the weekend. St. Brown. Okay, fine. You can throw him up there too. Of those guys, how many of those guys run a 4-4?

unknown 1:10:49

One.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

So I think it's been proven in the NFL that you do not need to have the blazing fast speed in order to be an effective NFL receiver. What you need to have is you need to be able to run routes, need to be able to have positioning and be able to use leverage to make a defensive player do what you want them to do.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:06

And that at the top of your routes, you need to be able to be able to be a hand fighter and be able to battle for the football and come down with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:13

Okay. You're losing me again. What?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:16

You're losing me. I'm saying crazy, like Puka ran a 4-6 coming out of college.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

Puka's in a system where it's impossible to fail with one of the probably better quarterbacks of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:31

Okay. JSN.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

Physical freak. He's the one I'm okay with. What were the other ones?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:38

Jay Jettos.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:39

That's an elite player.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

But he isn't like a crazy fast player. Like he's more of a run a great route, have you looking stupid, be wide open, or he'll be he'll be he can jump really high. Like he has really good. Like his elite trade is probably like his not speed, but it's short area quickness and stuff like that. I'm just trying to make the case that su that having long speed is not necessarily the way that make you a top receiver in the NFL. True or false?

unknown 1:12:11

False.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

What do you mean false?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:23

Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:25

What do you how how but you said Puka Naku is in a system where he doesn't he can't fail? I think the only reason it works because of what he does well. He runs very well after the catch. He knows he does runs very good routes. He battles for the football in the air. He's not like he like all of those things can take over a fact that you're not gonna be able to blaze down the field and beat somebody off the off the line all the time. I'm saying there's other things you can do as a wide receiver to make up for the fact you if you don't have elite elite speed.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:59

Which I can agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:03

But what is elite speed?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:06

Elite speed is running a low to mid four fours.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:11

Okay. So as you were saying this, and as I was looking at it, George Pickett's one of the best receivers in the NFL last year. Low 4-4. I just looked it up. Uh-huh. He'd ran a four-five. It was a four like five.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:27

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:27

No, we're not Jamar Chase running a four-three.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:30

But will he ever be a top five receiver in the NFL? Because he has maybe the physical talents too.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:35

He was. He was a top five receiver in the NFL this past season.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:38

No, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:39

1400 yards. Yes, he was. One, two, three. He's three.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:48

But a just straight yardage line? Okay, okay, fine. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:51

Yards, targets, receptions, touchdowns.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:54

In your heart of hearts, do you think it is a top five receiver in the NFL? You don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:58

Okay. Who is a top five receiver in the NFL, Joe?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:01

We just talked about them. We talked about Puka Nakua.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:04

Is Zay Flowers?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:06

He was a sixth best receiver.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:08

I don't give two fucks.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:09

Chris Olave. Probably not.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:13

Nico Collins. Probably not. No, probably not top five receivers, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:19

CeeDee Lamb.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:20

I'm not a big people. There's some people that love CeeDee Lamb. I'm not a big CeeDee Lamb fan. Yes, I'm I very much understand that. I I don't think so. Every single year?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:42

Yes, to be elite every single year, even it day in, day out, whether you have quarterback play or not, you need four, four speed.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:52

But you just said JSN is a he's an alien in a different way that you don't that you understand.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:57

Literally every other box is checked besides the 4-4 speed.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

And he doesn't have the size, he doesn't have a huge size either.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:06

He's 6'2. That's okay. Yeah. That's perfectly fine for a receiver. 6 foot 2 is a honesty, probably a larger receiver nowadays. Jamar Chase is 6 foot. 6 foot.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

Yeah. No, I yes. Needing to have a 6'4 receiver is not necessarily a need anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:25

No, it's never been needed. Receivers are probably more versatile versatile than 6'2. Let's be honest.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:32

They're talking about drafting Zay Flowers is like 6'5.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:35

And that's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:37

So as long as you can use them correctly, receivers can be useful.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:40

Every single year, you need 4-4 speed at minimum. Which is why Justin Jefferson's played 17 games with shoddy quarterback play. Barely cracked a thousand. Right. Jamar Chase has been well over a thousand every single year he's played.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:05

Several games without Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

Yeah, for sure. Again, he he is like he is like the more like four-four speed. Yeah, for sure. I I agree with that. But I'm saying you don't need that to be a top five receiver in the NFL or a top ten receiver in the NFL, you don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:18

Every single year, yes, you do. With or without quarterback play, because most of the guy these guys in the top 15 receivers have great quarterbacks or at least consistent quarterback play. Which is why Justin Jefferson, year in, year out, isn't always amongst the top receivers. Right now he sits at 12 in most yards, receptions, just all and all.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:43

Yeah, because the quarter his quarterback play was like god awful, but ugly awful. And that's not on him.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:51

Okay, and that's what I'm saying. To be elite at a position, you need to be able to do it with or without your a quarterback in a way that he always can. He can't always do that. Now I'm not saying he's not top five. He is one of the best receivers in the NFL year in, year out. But again, I I watched Jamar Chase have almost 200 yards with Joe Flacco. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:14

I watched Jamar Chase have Joe Flacco is a.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

I watched Jamar Chase have almost 200 yards with Jake Browning.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:20

Okay. Jake Browning was more of a better argument. But I say Joe Flacco does have a supreme, even at 40 years old.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:27

He's accurate as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:28

He has an arm that would destroy half the league for how power how good it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:33

And he's accurate. That's what that's why we kept Joe Flacco. Browning killed the broadside of a barn.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:38

He's gone. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:39

He put up Jamar Chase put up 1,300 yards with him. Yeah. Top five receiver in the NFL. I think to be elite in the NFL every single year, you need to be a freak of nature like JSN. Supremely good at everything else. Like an Omeka Obuka. Not 4-4 speed, but truly so good like JSN. They're very similar players in my book. Amecha Obuka just lacks some of the athleticism. Like a JSN has.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:14

Short area quickness is insane for JSN. Yes. Otherworldly.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

He's a bigger body receiver. Oh, yeah, for sure. He's not a skinny dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:20

No, he's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:21

And in a way, Mekka Obuca and Chris Olave are very similar receivers to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

Chris Olave has better stroke. He actually has long speed. Which is fine. Chris Olave actually ran a 4-4.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:29

You're in, you're out, Chris Olave is not an elite receiver because he lacks other things.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:34

I think other things, as in health, because of his injuries. And quarterback play.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:39

Chris Olave is kind of small.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

No, Chris Olave is 6'1.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:44

Yes. Chris Olave is small.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:46

Oh, you're talking about, okay, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:48

You need Jamar Chase for everything you can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:51

Yeah, for sure. But he runs like a running back. He kind of runs like running back once he has ball in his hand.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:56

Uh doesn't matter how the fuck he's run. He's already five yards past the James. Oh, yeah, for sure. So I think to be elite year in, year out, you need four, four speed.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:03

But a wide receiver, there's not that many. I'm saying there's not that many year-in-year-out top five receivers.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:08

Jamar Chase.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:08

As a top, I'm saying not that many. I'm saying a guy's at stick. There's Jamar Chase, Jay Jettas.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:14

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:14

Jay Jettas is a top five receiver. He is.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:16

Yeah in year out. Right now it's telling me he's 12. CeeDee Lamb played 14 games and had more yards.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:25

Yes, but CD Lamb had much better quarterback play, and that's another dude on his team with 1,400 yards. Yeah, but they couldn't do anything else but throw the football. They literally couldn't do anything else.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:36

What the fuck are the Vikings doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:38

The Vikings couldn't do anything because their quarterback play was so bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:41

Dude, that's what I'm saying. To be a to be good year in and year out, you need to have the speed.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:49

I don't I honestly hard to I honestly don't think so. That's how bad JJ that's how bad JJ McCarthy was.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:55

I'm not disagreeing with that, bro. I can't. I don't nah.

Denzel Boston And Jordan Tyson Breakdown

SPEAKER_03 1:20:00

Okay. Alright. That's fine. Maybe we disagree on that. Alright, this is this is these are the wide receivers I wanted to talk about. And he had, and when it came to the rankings, I told, like I said already, Denzel Boston, Jordan Tyson, Chris Brazzle, Carnell Tate, Zachariah Branch. He had them tiered. He had a tier one being the top two, Denzel Boston, Jordan Tyson. Tier 2 being Chris Brazzle and Carnell Tate, and then tier three being Zachariah Branch. So I went through and looked at, I took a couple hours and kind of looked through all these players and then said what I wanted to say about them, kind of have my own thoughts, and then I also added Tim's thoughts if we needed them for whatever reason. So I went through them. And I know you did your own research, but I know you didn't write anything down, so you just have reactions as I go. Denzel Boston, wide receiver out of Washington, 6'4, 212 pounds. When I was watching him not blazing fast, physical with the ball in his hands, good hands, makes contested catches, really good acceleration for his size. I don't think he's very fast, but when he does want to pick up speed, he can pick up speed a little faster. Um a really good route runner. Um, so and then for what Sim said, he has good short um start-stop speed. He also thinks good acceleration, and then uh he has him has a great route runner. I didn't think it was a necessarily crispy route tree, but I think he just doesn't want more power, so it comes off as being really good because they're so scared of his You know, that's not a bad way to say that.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:26

Because I always agreeing with you with what he was saying. I thought his route running was good, but maybe Hang you're saying he may just do it with more power.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:37

Yeah. I I think some players, because he's he's he's not necessarily the fastest, but he has a big body. So getting beat deep is such a big problem that they are kind of giving him a lot of space. So a lot of the short area routes are maybe not that crisp, but he already has so much space to begin with because they let him have it. So I think that comes off as being a better route runner than I think he probably is by comparison to some of the other players that are behind him in his rankings, which would probably expose him later on. Right, even though I think he's a he has a good bit of everything. I really do think when it comes to prototypical, you're looking for size and speed. I think he has a good portion of that. Do I think he's number one? Obviously, for me sounds like a number two. I think he can be a number one.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:16

I just don't I he can be a really good number two.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:19

No, for sure. I I'm just for me, because obviously coming into this, obviously, I obviously have Carnel Tate as number one receiver because he showed it, he showed it at Ohio State that when he's out there and playing, he can do everything. Big play receiver can do everything. So I do have that coming into where I'm a little bit slanted in that way. But I did try to be as positive as I possibly can be on these receivers as I looked at it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:41

Most people don't agree with, don't disagree with you that Carnel Tate is probably the best. People have him as a top 10 receiver for the most part. And I would agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:50

He did what he was supposed to do at college, and some in what this what Chris Sims, he has been a guy that has always loved having an elite trait. If you don't have an elite trait, he is gonna downgrade you no matter what. And this is what makes me pissed off about him having Denzel Boston at the at number one, is that I don't think Denzel Boston has an elite trait other than his size. And I can maybe get behind the start-stop speed. The idea once he stops, he can get accelerating pretty quickly, get to a stop speed faster. Other than that, I don't see him everly having an elite trait either. So the fact that he put a guy like this as number one that he would never have as a number one receiver in years past, and now he breaks his own rule to have this guy as a number one receiver, doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

Um but I think Denzel Boston's a good receiver. He might, he probably is a first-round pick, but there's so many different needs in this draft that I think it can get a little bit dicey. I think he might be a late-round first, but I don't even see him as being as good as the neck guy he has number two on his list, Jordan Tyson. Um Jordan Tyson out of Arizona State, he's 6'2, 203. Um, for me, I see him as having a great combo of size, explosiveness, and um his injuries are an issue. He has a lot of injuries. He has hasn't done anything the pre-draft process at all because of the, I think, a hamstring injury he's dealing with right now. Kind of the same as JSN coming out because JSN having his hamstring injury didn't really do a lot um during the pre-draft stuff because of that injury. Um, he is a good route runner, creativity after the catch. If he gets the football in his hands, he's gonna make a move, um, juke somebody out of their shoes and be able to make some make some creativity, like creativity. Um catching is not necessarily consistent. A little bit here or there, not necessarily, but he was better this last year. But in years before that, he wasn't as consistent as he has been. But I think when it comes to uh Chris Ms. He compared him to guys like Odell, JSN, um, with him being hard to tackle one-on-one because of what he can do creativity-wise and the the actual size and speed. I think if it comes to you're trying to look for a receiver that can do everything, this guy might be like because of his explosiveness, would make sense for me being like a guy that people would go after outside of the injury issue.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:06

What? I'm starting to remember what I was thinking when I was watching these guys' highlights. He reminded me of Kadarius Tony.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:11

Um he's a more better all-around receiver than Kadarius Tony.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:18

It was it was his a lot of his highlights that I was able to find and watch were a lot of creating after the catch. Which was a huge part of why Kadarius Tony got drafted, was his once the ball was in that he was talented. Kadarius Tony couldn't catch for shit, which was his whole problem. And I've noticed this dude drops a lot of easy passes, but makes the freak as a way to pass. Um and then his creating after the catch was immaculate. But it wasn't always for a positive. Sometimes he tried to create after the catch and the ball would be knocked out. Um I don't think he didn't lose one because they were always recovered, but it was a creating after the catch that would hurt him sometimes. And then a lot of the easy catches there was uh one where it's an almost slant and the ball just goes right into his head, and he just didn't catch it. And then there were certain plays where he was so focused on getting the ball and turning that he was messing up the routine thing. Oh he's too quick with his movements. Simple mistakes that should not happen as an NFO prospect. Sorry. I just Kadarius Tony was my only I think it's more of a I think it's a better all-round guy than Kadarius Tony.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:34

But I do I get the b cat after the catch, I do get what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:38

No, I I remember Kadarius Tony doing the same thing of he was so I'm gonna get the ball, I'm gonna turn, I'm gonna juke this guy, I'm gonna move, I'm gonna go up the field. It was the simple things he would forget.

unknown 1:26:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:51

Kadarius Tony would make the freak's ordered catches and not normal catches.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:55

Now again, I'm I'm comparing apple to oranges. They're similarities, but they're not the same thing. Yeah. But that was just a comp I got in my own.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

Because Gary's Tony doesn't have nearly the size of a guy like this does.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:06

But their playstyle was very similar.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:07

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I get that, I can get that.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:09

I think a lot of the problem is he a lot of his routes were usually pretty short, uh, and an area gave him the ball and let him work.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:19

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:20

Which it works, and it worked. But in a way, I feel like that's not how a lot of NFL offenses work nowadays.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:27

You gotta be able to do everything. Yeah. There's room in the NFL for you to be a short, like a screen game type of receiver, throw it to you real quick, make something happen. But in order to make them scared of that, you also have to have some speed like to make them think I can go deep on you too. Yes, don't press a little too aggressive.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:44

Yeah, me go up on you and it'll be that. I don't think he has that right now.

Chris Brazzle And The Tee Higgins Comp

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

What this oh no, Darren Tyson, I think he does. I think the explosiveness right now. I think the expl maybe not the route. I think the route running is where it comes a little bit, not as crisp. But when it comes to his actual explosiveness, like Once he gets running, he cannot run dudes. He can beat you deep. That is not necessarily going to be his issue. Then the injuries may be a part of that to where he's not always going to be able to do that all the time. But again, up to this point, maybe once you draft him and get the right guys behind him when it comes to the medical team, he'll be fine and not have the issue. But injuries has been his thing in college to where that is the thing that I would have understood him being Chris Sims number one guy, because I think he just has some explosiveness that the other guys on the list doesn't have, other than maybe like Chris Brazzle, who was like he's like all type of like big bodies, very fast type of receiver. But I I think he is like the all-around, like why I could see him, he's probably gonna be a first-round pick, probably in the mid-first round. Um, but I think he's a very good receiver. As long as the injuries get figured out, I do think he can be a good all-around dude. Um that can be a number one. I truly think so. Think that. Um, the next receiver, Chris Brazzle, his number three, six, four, one ninety-eight. He ran a four-three seven forty. At that size and that speed, he was compared to a guy like T. Higgins and um Pickens by Chris Ems, which makes sense at that size, and they can run that speed. That makes a lot of sense. From what I saw watching him play, he's tall, um, tall and long. He makes contested catches with uh with his length very consistently. Doesn't a lot of power, but again. Brazzle. Um, but he makes a Tennessee?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:23

What I can say with like some of the issues with Tennessee receivers not being able to actually play receiver, he wasn't a Tennessee receiver his whole time in college. He played at two lane before that. So there was a time where he was actually asked to be a real receiver. But even when he was asked to be the big play guy, he was able to do so because of his his longness and him being able to be as fast as he is. And then he also does catch with he does cat, he makes good contested catches and makes use of the length that he does have. Um he might have the best acceleration of all the receivers here just because he can get to his top speed very quickly. Um, Chris Sims said pretty much said the same thing as me. Long might have the best acceleration, plays with big and fast. I think this is a guy that I think most years Chris Sims will probably have as number one guy because he has the elite speed and the elite size that you just can't you just can't teach that in the NFL. Um, but I just think for him, I just there might be a little bit more for him to learn when it comes to running good routes and becoming being a good all-around receiver.

unknown 1:30:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:25

This one I could not remember. Uh T. Higgins is a great comp, especially coming out of college. I actually think they're the same player. From what I'm dude, I did this like two weeks ago. Um from what I can notice, he has really strong hands like T. Higgins, he's making catches. Getting the catch with the ball in his hand, his hand up there, and he is just moving out of the way. Um his acceleration is really good. Yeah. His route running is horrendous.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

Horrhetic. Again, he didn't have to show to Tennessee because they don't ask the receivers to do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:58

But like, I'm talking like it just looks sloppy. ETSU is who I just told you. I'm good. I've seen enough of your route running. This the dude he's playing against is not even a danger competition. Other than it's just and I'm like, no. And I look at him like, you look like T. Higgins, man. Everything about him screams that. Which is not bad by any means. I understand why in years past he would be a number the number one guy on the board. And I do believe he is more talented than the last two guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:34

Oh, yeah. Well, but when it comes to the size and speed, he has that. He does.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:39

And he has strong hands, he's good in short range, he was good in deep.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:43

He uses his size very well.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:45

He does. Yeah. Um he honestly is a pretty well-rounded receiver, except he can't run routes really well. And he does have some short area quickness. Yeah. Where he is on.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:58

Give him a quick pass, he can take it to the house. He can he can run deep, he can do all of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:03

He is a bigger receiver, oh yeah, and he can stuff dudes.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

So in all honesty, he doesn't play a lot of strength though. He doesn't, he's he's a wiry wire. Like again, he's 6'4, 198. He is wiry.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:16

So mate, he didn't look like he had a huge frame where he like you could throw on, maybe you can throw on 10 extra pounds, maybe help him out, but he's never gonna be a guy walking around at 220, like a guy like Jeremiah Smith, who's 6'4, 220. Probably Higgins size, too. He can he can sit around 210, maybe help out that a little bit, but he's never gonna be able to like if somebody tries to play tough with him at the line of scrimmage, I don't think he's gonna do great at battling them off.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:40

Not this play, but the next play is he just has strong hands and he's good at using his size. And we've ran that same play with T. Higgins before. Yeah. Of his hands are just strong. Yeah. In all honesty, out of the compared to the other two guys, I think this is more of a sure hit of he will be good. Of like he has everything else.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:04

The route the route running can be taught. That's the one thing that can be taught. T.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:07

Higgins has gotten better over the years. Yeah, for sure. Uh this would be my number two prospect on my board.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:15

I don't blame you. No, seriously. There's some things you at the end of the day, there's some things you can't teach, and it's the things that you were given from birth, and it's the size and the speed that he has that cannot be replicated by knowing the routes perfectly.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:29

Oh, yeah, such a length. His catch radius, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:32

His catch radius is so long, he like everything is available.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:35

If I'm gonna be honest with you, this player is very similar to T. Higgins. Maybe T. Higgins might be a little faster.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:40

Uh, but I think I don't think Tiggins is faster than him, but I think T. Higgins was bigger. Like, I think T. Higgins has like more fill filled out coming out of college.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:48

I think T Higgins is like really tall.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:50

Yeah, but so is he. He's Chris Browser's 6'4.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:53

Okay. Yeah, filled a little more filled out. Filled out.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:55

He just has more mass to him naturally. I just think Chris Browser doesn't have that. I don't think he has the same play strength. Yeah, he's in around 215, 220. That's like where he's sitting. So he just has a little more, like he says has a bigger frame to him, where I think Chris Browser doesn't have that. He is not going to sit here and out like just war to sit there and battle you out strengthwise. He will do it with his length and with his speed. That'll be what he can do. But again, as long as he gets the the the actual like routes figured out, and like I think that's something that can be taught. Yeah, I think he can be a very, very good number one receiver.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:27

I believe he has all the intangibles.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:29

And is probably in all honesty, if teams are scouting these players, I believe they are, I believe he's probably a higher pick than the others.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:38

I think mid-teens from what I've seen, it's like foresee him. I think the ones that it's I think how most people have it ranked, it's obviously um why am I good? Carnell Tate. It's then it is no. Well, people want to keep saying the lemon lemon. I think he is a fucking like, I don't think he's good. I'm not gonna lie to you. I I told you to look up Lemon too, because I did actually look up him as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:04

I yeah, I I don't need to. I saw him play. I don't think he's that great.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:10

He plays, he plays like well, I'll get to him, but my main thing is he plays like Puka, but he's not nearly as big and strong as Puka. So playing like that doesn't make sense if you actually can never put on the size and the frame to make that work. Because he's not fast either. Not only is he not fast, he's not big, he's not big or strong enough, and he's never gonna put on the weight to make it work. So I think if he's not gonna be a perfect slot, I don't think I don't think it's okay. We'll get we'll get to him. But Chris Brazzle, very good receiver all around, makes a lot of sense. I usually I think he'd be a number one guy that people just look at all the in all the tangibles, the height and the speed.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:44

He's a he's a he's a mid first round pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:47

No doubt. In the way I have it ranked, I would probably where I see it, Tate, then I would go with Jordan Tyson because I just think he might, I think he has a real ceiling to be like a Jay Jetta's a JSN type. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:01

Again, the injuries is one thing, but I think otherwise I think he has a little bit of on messing up the simple things bothers me. Being able to do the spectacular things has transferred into a lot of receivers that can't do the simple things. Maybe. And that's where it loses me just a little bit.

Why Carnell Tate Feels NFL Ready

SPEAKER_03 1:36:17

And then after that, then I would go to like having a Brazzle and then Boston, and then I wouldn't even have Zachary Branch up there, but that's for a totally different thing. I'll reason I'll get to him. Um, next one in Chris M's list is Carnell Tate. I know a lot about him off the top of my head. Smooth route runner, contested catchmaker, not the fastest, but he has good routes and he has enough speed that if you do take him lightly, he can take it deep. It's not like sneaky speed like a white dude. He does have enough speed to get the job done when necessary. Again, I'm not gonna sit here and say the four-five that he ran at the I think there was a whole story about how the laser timer was wrong because of how he runs. I think when he re-ran at Ohio State, it was like a high four-fours. So he has enough speed to get the job done. Again, my whole claim is you don't need to have four four speed to make it in the NFL. He can do everything you need him to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:07

Didn't even look up this dude playing. I've seen it enough. I understand what he is. I understand that again, he's another Emeko Buka type where I'm at elite speed, but I'm gonna do everything else correctly.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:17

He's gonna do everything else correctly. He's gonna be your quarterback's best friends.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:22

Because I, honest to God, believe everybody else thinks he's the number one receiver in the end in the draft. So I I got nothing to say on him. You know where I stand on this. Of everything, OSU does produce NFL ready receivers. Yeah. Whether they're number one guys, number two guys, they're NFL caliber guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:39

Yep. Um, this is what Sim said. Smooth, good route runner, QB friendly, NFL ready, not as explosive, no elite trait, thinks he benefited from being a wide receiver too at Ohio State, and not a top five or top ten pick, and not a good yak player. Apparently, he has a big problem with Ohio State never trying to throw him a quick out a quick route and to have him run after the catch because he thinks that Ohio State believes he's not a guy that can create after the catch. I think Ohio State just didn't have that enough in their offense at all. I don't think we did enough for Jeremiah Smith doing that, even though Jeremiah Smith has that type of freaky speed.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:13

You said it at the start, and I was like, Oh, just being an Ohio State stand. I was like, but those are tiki-tacky. You're not wrong. Those are those are very tiki-tacky.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:20

Yeah, all very tikky-tacky. I think he showed more than enough of everything. And I think the short route stuff, Ohio State just didn't do that enough at all last year. So I think it took away the took it away from the whole offense. Yes. So I'm not going to blame Carnell Tate for that whatsoever, like he did. But I just think Carnell Tate showed it at Ohio State where he, even with a guy like Jeremiah Smith being the all-around, probably best player in college football, Carnell Tate showed while he's out there that he can be just as explosive and just as big of a receiver as him based on the role that he plays the number two receiver, just like Hemek Buka did while we he was sitting on the other side of Marvin Harrison. So the only downside was that he was the number two while an all-time receiver was at the other side. But other than that, I think Carnell Tate can do everything. He's a top 10 worthy pick. And anybody, if you're gonna sit here and let him fall to a better team later on in the draft because everybody else is stupid, you're gonna make a mistake because he's gonna be one of those receivers that's gonna literally start out hot from day one, just like Mech did last year with the with the freaking Buccaneers. So that's the mistake you're making if you're gonna let him drop. So don't make it. Um, especially for the Browns, because if you're sitting at six, you don't have a receiver on in your team that can do anything. Why would you let a guy like him fall? Which is insane to me.

Zachariah Branch And Mikhail Lemon Doubts

unknown 1:39:32

I agree.

Other Receiver Names Worth Knowing

Chris Simms Quarterback Rankings Open

SPEAKER_03 1:39:33

Next one, Zachariah Branch. 5'9, 177. He had this um Chris Sims Evans is the fifth receiver. Um, when I watched him, he's a great yak player with great speed. He's very fast. I think he ran like a four, I think he ran like a low four fours, high four threes. Um, explosive slot receiver. I don't think he'll be an outside receiver at all just because of his size. Like 5'9, 177. Not only does he not have the frame, he's not very, he's not even close to being a tall, really tall guy at all. He does have very good speed. I think as a slot receiver, he could, if he can get into the right system, I think he can do some really good things. But it's just, I don't know, man. It's just he's so small. And he reminds me a lot of freaking, um, you said his name, you said him earlier from the Ravens. Um Zay Flowers. He reminds me a lot of Zay Flowers. He's probably more explosive than Zay Flowers when it comes to actually track speed. I think Zachary Branch was like a like all like beat everybody in high school, like a top 10 like track runner in high school. So like he has that all-time speed that you could potentially be looking for, but I just think his size is such a big thing. Like, if he's not going to the perfect system that knows how to use him, I don't think he really has a lot of versatility outside of being a really good slot if he can do that. So um Sim said that he runs tough but and plays bigger than his size. Um most explosive in short area. Um he said that he reminds Jalen Waddle, reminds him of him. So, like, I'm sorry, he reminds him of Jalen Waddle. Which I get that to a certain extent, I think Jalen Waddle is still still a little bit bigger and can do a little bit more like on the outside in comparison. But I just think Zachariah branch, he's just such a small player. I don't like there's a reason why small wide receivers don't work in the like of all the things that wide receivers have changed over the years, they don't need to be the 6'4 big bruising guys. Like now, instead of being having to be like 6'2, 6'3 to be a top receiver, you can be 6'. But now that you're now we're getting down to five being 5'9, like come on, dude. Like you're like you're out there with real monsters out there, even at the corner in safety positions. We're talking like a guy like Kyle Hamilton can be 6'4 and over 200 pounds and run as fast as he does. Like, I'm like, when you're that small, just in the corners, like they all are tall and long, and I just I just feel like he doesn't have enough versatility because of his lack of size. Um his speed is elite though, but it's just having just having elite speed isn't enough either. Which I think is the difference. Is that I think the NFL has proven what was the guy that you guys picked up? Um John Ross. John Ross. Elite speed. Couldn't catch the broadside of a barn, couldn't do any, couldn't figure it out, and he just didn't work out in the NFL whatsoever. Um so that was my big thing on him. I don't think he's a top five worthy receiver, but Chris Sims is always a weird one with how he ranks them. And now to Mikhail Lemon, 5'11, 192. Um, for me, when I watch him, he's smaller, not as athletic that for his size. He ran a 4'5, 40-yard dash. So not only is he not big, he's not very fast either. Um, he runs tough, he's a slot receiver with less explosiveness. He's really gonna be, if he does work out in the NFL, he's gonna be a guy that'll find the open space in open slots in zone coverage, and he can be a quarterback's best friend if he does make that relationship with the quarterback he ends up going to in the next level. Um he's a small slot though. Like it's just again, it just doesn't make sense to me. And I think the things that he does in college football that made him so good, I just don't think he'll be able to do those exact same things in the NFL when you have a bunch of elite athletes on the field at all times, unlike what you're doing in college. That'll be able to know what you're doing by trying to find the weaknesses in the defense. First, what Sims said, he said he's not explosive, has good play strength, he's a small slot, um, without elite trait, um, not JSN, obviously, because people like to compare him to JSN. The difference is that JSN has an elite area quickness that is very like unworldly, how fast he is and such with in short areas. That is not what Mikhail Lemon is whatsoever. And like I said before, he reminds me of Puka Nakua, but he's not as big or as strong as him. So doing the things that Puka Nakua does is just not in his bag because he doesn't have that same type of play strength because of his lack of size and speed, all in all. Um, other notable receivers, even though Mikhail Lemon is might be picked up in the first round, I don't think I don't know why he should be. But the thing is about what some of these receivers is they like to see you do it in college football, and sometimes it takes a little bit more. There's some teams that like to do the I'd rather be the gut team that kind of gets the best out of a player even if he didn't show it in college. And there's other players that play their best in college and you know what they are at their best, and you just need to make it work for where you're at. And some people will be able to look at Mikhailem and be like, I would I saw that he was very good at USC playing very well, and they're willing to take that even if he doesn't have any of the he does not, he's not, he doesn't have a lot of clay to deal with. Like he's already a pretty much a ready-made player. There's not he won't get much better than what he's at right now. Um other notable wide receivers that I looked at, Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, all around receiver, not the fastest, but I think whoever he gets drafted to, he can be a very good number two in the NFL. Um another one is Deion Burks from Oklahoma, smaller slot, good speed, deep, but he doesn't have great hands, and I think that he still needs a little bit of growing to do when it comes to being an all-around receiver, but I do think he has some tools there. And then Omar Cooper Jr. from um Indiana, um, not very athletic, but he's a slot that runs through, um, runs tough. I think he he does remind me a little bit more of like a Puka Nakua type, even though I don't think I again Puka Nakua, like you said, is kind of in a perfect spot where all of his strengths can be kind of like accentuated. So like maybe Omar Cooper can find a really good spot where like they know how to use him and he'll be able to be a lot more effective. But when it comes to what he did in college, it's just he can be a quarterback's best friend, but never like one of those top flight type of dudes like you're getting. But some people are trying to say he might be like a second round pick or something, like might be a little too high on that, but it it is what it is on that. So those wide receivers. Um, any other main thing about the wide receivers you want to talk about before we go to the quarterbacks? All right, Chris uh quarterbacks now. Chris Sims had his quarterback rankings. He had Mendoza at number one in tier one by himself, he had Ty Simpson in tier two um at number two by himself, and then he had a tier three of the last three guys in the top five. He had Barron Morton at three, he had Joey Aguilar at um Barron Morton who's at Texas Tech, he had Joey Aguilar, who is the quarterback of Tennessee at number four, and then he had number five, he had Garrett Nussmeyer. Um, you know, Chris Sims, quarterback-wise, always a little weird for me. He's a guy that loves tools, all of that. Again, he he one thing he has done well that I actually agree with. He had he when CJ Shot was coming out, everybody was going crazy for um Bryce Young. And he was the one guy of everybody that said, I think CJ Shot will be a better NFL quarterback than Bryce Young by a landslide. And this last year, notwithstanding, I think CJ Stroud has proven to be an actual like a real NFL quarterback that'll be able to have a long NFL career. And I think they're a little bit more of Bryce Young. He has some growing to do, not physically, but when it comes to being an all-around quarterback to be able to make up for some of those deficiencies to even be close to what CJ Stroud can be at his best. Alright. So for the quarterbacks that went through did the exact same thing as I did for the wide receivers.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:18

Uh-huh.

Fernando Mendoza Hype Check

SPEAKER_03 1:47:19

Um, for Dana Mendoza, I just went through his rankings and did it one by one. Mendoza, 6'5, 236 out of Indiana. Big frame, uses it to run when needed. Not crazy athletic like a Josh Allen, but he has enough movement to like get the yards kind of like um he has enough movement to get the yards and like run tough. Kind of like who? Kind of like who? He's not a Josh Allen. Kind of like a Will Howard. I think Josh Allen athletically is closer to Josh Allen. No. When it comes to running? Mendoza?

unknown 1:47:53

Huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:54

I think Josh Allen's closer to Josh Allen when it comes to actually running. I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:57

What? Are you having a stroke?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:59

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:00

You you I think Josh Allen is closer to Josh Allen, is what you're saying to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:04

I'm saying Will Howard is closer to Josh Allen than Mendoza is.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:08

Oh. You've been saying I think Josh Allen's closer to Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:10

I'm like, oh sorry, I was-I was having this thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:12

And then you say it again. You said it three times in a row. And that's why I'm confused. Okay, here's my thing. What Howard was a sixth round pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:21

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:22

Mendoza's the number one overall pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:24

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:25

They're the same fucking player. I actually think he's less.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:30

Okay, before you go negative, let me let me try to be a positive, positive guy for a second.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:34

Joe, I look at me. I think this is a garbage fucking quarterback draft. Oh, I think so too. Simpson is fucking horrendous. I think he is awful under stress. Awful under it. Any type of fucking pressure, he's crumbling. Uh, I think safeties took advantage of him because this motherfucker would stare at targets. I think safeties took advantage of him all the fucking time.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:57

You're talking about Ty? Yes. Why are you going to Ty with Red Fernando?

SPEAKER_04 1:49:01

Because he's a number one overall pick and he's not that fucking good. I think he's worse than Will Howard in almost every fucking concept. I think Will Howard had a better arm. I think Will Howard was a bigger, uh had a bigger overall frame, was a better runner, and just a better overall quarterback. You know why he's a number one overall pick? No one else to fucking pick. Everybody's like, we need a fucking quarterback. Do you know who they got to cut to you know uh guide him so he don't have to start?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:28

Mr. Mid? Mr. Kirk, Kirk Coach, Mr.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:31

Just to run your fucking pockets? Like, what are we doing? This dude, I think Mendoza is a starter at best. That's it. I think he's a starter. I think Ty Simpson's going to be picked way too fucking early. Uh, and it's going to be a fucking bust. I truly do think you guys got lucky, Will Howard. If y'all give him the chance to play, I think he will fucking ball. Uh because no. I'm not gonna lie to you. This quarterback class is pissing me off.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:01

This is what I this is what I saw out of Mendoza. Throws a good ball, not a howitzer arm, but enough to make every throw. Accurate, makes good decisions with a clean pocket when things get a little messy. Things do can get a little weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:14

Well, how are you that?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:15

He will take a hit to get um take a hit to get a big play, show some creativity to extend plays and make throws on the run. He can get happy feet with chaos on the pocket, make some mistakes, feel like I can I can um gauge emotion while watching, um, can be knocked off mentally compared to a Joe Burrow. Um assassin, calmness, and chaos. So Chris Sims, when watching him, talked to when talking about him, compared him to Joe Burrow. And I can't see it whatsoever. Okay. Um but Joe Burrow in 2018. Do you know what I saw when in Mendoza? I see Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:56

No, no. And I see Tom Brady when it's.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:58

No, sorry, sorry, sorry. When I at his best, I'm out. What he can look like is a Tom Brady. I'm out.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:04

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:04

He can sit in the pocket, I'm out, he can make all the throws necessary. Nope, I'm good. I'll talk about the type of quarterback not saying he can be Tom Brady. No, I'm saying this nigga is not that ever. But my problem with Chris Simms when you try to compare him to Joe Burrow and how good of a first overall pick he can be. He's not that. He's not. And I just like you said earlier, it's because this quarterback Krello class is not good, he isn't, he has made himself the number one guy overall. And unfortunately, there is a team at the top in the Oakland, in the sorry, the Las Vegas Raiders, that needs a quarterback, and he has turned himself into the obvious guy. He played awesome last year with the Indiana Hoosers. They they did what nobody thought they can do and went out there and won a national championship, something nobody ever thought could happen. And honestly, in big moments, he did show up. But I don't think when looking at him that he is a number one type of quarterback in a way that the Joe Burrows and the other guys that have been picked at number one have been overall.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:04

Dude, again, I think he's inflated by the fact that this is a bad quarterback class. I truly don't think he's better than Will Howard in any aspect of what how they play.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:13

Again, I I agree with you with what I saw with Will Howard too at Ohio State in one year, just like we all saw of Fernando and one year at Indiana. But it's just, I'm just I don't want to go down that road because I could just see it be seen as an Ohio State homer. Dude, I've been saying this whole time.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:30

I don't want to give you all anything, but I honestly, dude, I can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:35

I can't. I don't see it either. But again, when pe when people try to try to compare him to Burrow, I'm like, not even fucking close. And it made me actually go watch the Joe that Joe Burrow Heisman year, and made me make sure I wasn't tweaking when I was thinking about what Joe Burrow was at LSU. And I saw a totally different quarterback. I saw an assassin, I saw a guy that can do everything. He can run, he can throw every ball necessary. Um, he had the toughness to go out there and get some tough yards when necessary. And this is where the difference was for me is that at the level that he was at, the assassin was the biggest thing. He was going to be able to throw through any issues that he had to have. He was not going to be broken down by any issues. He was going like nothing was going to take him too up or too down, just like he has shown in the NFL. That when Joe Bros out there, he has ice in his veins, and he's like, even through the struggles, some of the struggles he's had, I have all the confidence of the world, nothing's going to bring him down because that's the type of quarterback that he is. And when I compare him to a guy like Mendoza, like I said, I can I felt like I can see his emotion watching. Even though I'm nowhere close to him, I can see his emotion through the television. When he doesn't seem all that confident, I can see it in the way that he handles it, carries himself. But when he's feels he when he's feel when he feels protected and can secured, he can go out there and make any throw you possibly can ask him to do. And that's where I do want to give him a little bit of credit that he can be a Tom Brady type to, when he's given a clean pocket, go out there and run your offense like you need him to. But that's the thing. What people are asking for in the NFL, they're asking for not that. They want guys that can go out there and be like be able to do things outside of the norm when necessary. And that's where I think Fernando can be a little bit lacking in that area, even though I do think he does have the physical tools to do so. So maybe with, like you said, getting a guy like Kirko Chance to be the like the mentor to him, maybe they can figure that out and like kind of grow that a little bit more if he's not going to be looked at as having to be the starter from game one. Maybe that can be kind of built up with Tom Brady and Kirko being his idols over the first year or so. Well, I don't think he's in the wait a whole year before playing. I really don't think so. But however much time it takes, I do think he can probably learn a few things and get a little bit better. But like you said before, having him as a like lockdown number one quarterback, I don't feel as confident about that as other people do throughout the NFL world that just think that automatically he's worthy of being that number one overall pick. I don't think so. Which is where when I see people talk about Ty Simpson and what they what they can see from him at his best, I can understand where people are trying to find a reason. Alright, this is where we might have an issue with Ty. So that's with that's Fernando. I get why he's number one overall pick. I don't necessarily agree with that. I don't think it's necessarily a grand slam like everybody's saying it's gonna be. But I think his floor is very high. If that's the best thing I can give him, is that I think at his floor, he is a starter. I think he could really make it be a he can be a Kirk Cousins type. Okay, a starter in the NFL.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:44

I had notes for Mendoza, but I did not.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:46

Do you want to go first then?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:48

No, uh, that's up to you.

Ty Simpson Critique And Red Flags

SPEAKER_03 1:55:49

On Ty? I'll give his okay, we'll go to Ty now. Alabama quarterback, 6'1, 211. I was giving my notes and I'll let you go. Smaller quarterback does show some juice when running. I think what like once he gets to top speed, he can run a little bit. Um, was asked to make throws all over the football field, including the middle of the field, which I would compare him to a guy like Mendoza. Mendoza was not asked to make middle of the field throws at all. All of Mendoza's throws were outside the numbers, back shoulder throws or big throws down the field. I think I think Ty Simpson was asked to do a little bit more in that aspect. In Joe Burrow, when I compare it to Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow was asked to do a lot of middle of the field throws and make some short, short window throws. I think Ty Simpson was asked to do that a little bit at Alabama.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:33

Dude, I'm about to root this dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:34

Okay. Um he has a good arm, but not, you know, not great, but he has a good enough arm to make throws. Not great accuracy and isn't consistent whatsoever. Shows the ability to make questionable decisions. Um and the talk during the back half of the season was because of an injury that he had due to his smaller, but again, injuries he's gonna have due to his smaller frame, he's not able to change that. Um injuries will be an issue, but is said to be to play in some of his struggles as well. But the problem is that injuries are always gonna happen, you have to be able to play through those. And if it injuries are gonna impact him that much, to where he goes from looking like one of the better quarterbacks in college ball in the first half of the year to being one of the worst ones in the back half, that is the problem for me where I'm like, I don't know how that's going to translate once he gets there. But I do get people that want to like have some fantasies as to some of the good throws he can make. The good throws look great, but it's just the bad ones are too often and too like they happen too often and too regularly to where I can feel any confidence in him. Being a first round pick, let alone like if you're talking about him in the the second and third round, I can understand you taking a flyer, but if anybody takes like especially the Steelers take him in the first round, I'd want to kill myself. Just like I would feel worse about taking him in the first round than Kenny Pickett. Go ahead. You have you go ahead and rip him a new one if you like.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:59

Uh he has okay arm talent at best. Um that's he has okay arm talent at best. It is okay. He has inconsistent timing on throws. Uh from what I when I was watching his tape, his deep throws were everywhere. They were never fucking consistent. Uh his ability to extend plays over just hey, I should take this short route was a huge thing. I I hate High Simpson because I believe this is going to be a fucking miss. Over so he would want to extend a play, like trying to find a deeper throw instead of just I'm I should check this check down. Um He would take unnecessary sacks was a big one. I noticed he would just he's just holding the ball. There's no play opening up, he's just holding the ball.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:43

Oh yeah. They I will give him this credit, is that they did not have a run game at all. So I get maybe the idea of if I don't get a big play, we're never gonna be able to like check, we're never gonna be able to like inch our way down the field using the run game at all because our run game is so bad. So maybe that pressure on him would make him make worse decisions than he probably would have made if he felt like he had a little bit of support in the running game, like he probably needed at Alabama.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:05

And as I already said, he crumbled under pressure, which made his ball placement inconsistent. Uh and then safeties and linebackers would really take advantage of him. Uh he would make a lot of poor decisions if there were safeties pressing his receivers, and if there was linebackers kind of be staying too close, he'd make a lot of poor decisions. Uh and then one thing I didn't I don't personally hold against quarterbacks, but some people do. Only one season of starting. That's another thing. I I don't hold against him, but some people do.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:39

He can't control the fact that the guy he wasn't I guess partially you can if you're good enough, you'll get put on the field.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:45

Which means he wasn't good enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:48

I don't think you either.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:49

No, he's a five-star. Dang.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:51

Um okay, but we're ready then. That's gross to me, but okay. What are you been there for?

SPEAKER_04 2:00:07

Oh, he wouldn't you would have been there with uh quarterback. No, you fucking dumbass. The quarterback that was in Alabama with the dude who he was there with?

Jace Leaves And Orlovsky Take

Garrett Nussmeier Arm And Bad Choices

Drew Allar Warning For NFL Teams

Draft Plans And Listener Support

SPEAKER_03 2:00:35

I was thinking he was with um Why am I having such a hard time remembering I got his name earlier? Goodness gracious, I was thinking he was there with um I'm totally waiting on his name right now. Freaking Brace young. He was there a price. Oh yeah, he was there with the middle row. He was on the Seahawks, wasn't he? I totally forgot they drafted him. Gross. Yeah, okay. Yeah, you you're not wrong. Yeah, no, that okay. I'll give you that. You gotta go? Yeah. Okay. So as you guys heard just now, Jace had to get out of here. But actually, I don't really blame him too much for. He did give us two hours, so nothing to really feel bad for when it comes to that. So without further ado, I guess may as well get to the rest of what I was trying to say, which isn't that much now that he's gone. I think my main thing about the Tyson Simpson thing we were just talking about was I don't think I like I like I already said before, I feel worse if like the Steelers picked him up at late in the first round than when they picked up Kenny Pickett. But for the people, and it became this is part of the reason why I want to talk about this, like was during the week when I was about to like wanted to do all this quarterback stuff two weeks ago, and again, I messed up on that. Sorry guys, this is a little late. But the main story coming out was Dan Orlovsky coming out and talking about how he thought Ty Simpson was his number one quarterback coming out in the draft rather than Fernando Mendoza, who is universally like the number one guy. And Jason, me and Jason have already made it clear about our apprehension about Fernando to a certain extent, but even with all of our apprehension about Fernando Mendoza, I think we both still look at him as a better guy than what Ty Simpson is by a far by a wide margin. But here's where I can get I can I don't necessarily un I can I don't get by I can't get behind what a guy like Olavsky said because not only do I not think that because he was trying to say that there's GMs that would agree with him, and I'm like, what actual GMs would actually say that, and but this is where I can get maybe understand with the argument he was trying to make. I think the job that Ty Simpson had at Alabama, what they were asking him to do there was more difficult than what Fernando did at to do at Indiana. Okay, which is crazy to say because the idea that a guy like Fernando Mendoza at the University of Indiana, the Hoosiers, in the year 2026 at football has more help around him than a than the starting quarterback at the University of Alabama, Alabama. Like when it comes to historically, that's an insane thing to say, but that's where we are at currently in this time of college football where a place like Indiana can put a put up a better team than a team like than a college, then a school, than a program like the University of Alabama based on how Nick Saban not being there anymore and the money being very similar now. Now the northern schools are can actually pay above board, pay big money for players and all that. Even though I'm not saying that Indiana was paying big money for the team they had this year, which I which I think that's what makes them so like their story so insane, is that they don't have a bunch of five stars in their roster or anything like that. It wasn't like Fernando was looked at as like a five-star type of player coming out of high school or even when he transferred to Indiana. People were looking at him as like a can be an okay guy and put play some good football there, but nobody was thinking he was gonna have the year that Fernando had last year. But back to the whole point on Ty Simpson where Orlovsky was coming from. I think Ty Simpson more weight was put on his shoulders to run the offense than for nick for than Fernando was for hit for Indiana. In that case, what I'm talking about when it comes, like when it comes to Ty, there was no running game at Alabama. They did not have a running game to rely on whatsoever. And I think Fernando Mendoza had two running backs that were averaging over five yards a carry. The offensive line for Alabama was awful last year, and I think the Indian the Indiana offensive line, even though they didn't have a bunch of five-star stud type of guys like they have at Alabama, but they had an offensive line that were that were veteran that knew what they were doing, and they were very good at keeping pressure off of Fernando in a way that Ty Simpson didn't have that same type of health. And then when it comes to wide receivers, I think Indiana had better wide receivers when it comes to knowing what they were supposed to do. Um I'm not gonna sit here and say that Indiana receivers were more talented than what um Ty Simpson had at Alabama, but I will say that Indiana receivers knew exactly what their roles were and they were they were playing them to perfection in a way that I don't think they were doing so at Alabama. I just don't think so, especially with them having a guy like Ryan Williams, they're a five-star guy out of Alabama, not nearly nearly being the receiver that they want him to be and that they thought he was going to be after his first year two years ago. Not this past season, but season before that. So is that two years or just a year? I'm not sure, but I'm not good at math. Even though I actually kind of am. It's just a I don't know. So, and then when it comes to obviously on the field, Fernando Mendoza did a lot more and he played up in big moments in a way that Ty Simpson wasn't going to, and it didn't matter about what they have alongside them. But I just think when it comes to the hard moments, I think Fernando Mendoza is a guy that can play up, play better than what his his stature is and what his talent is in a way that Ty Simpson cannot, and I think he crumbled, especially later on in the season last year. Injuries are not, I think injuries are going to happen, and I don't think you can necessarily use that as an excuse for a whole half of a year not playing well. So that's where you're not really the getting thing with me. But I just think all in all, with what Ty Simpson was asked to do when it comes to the offense he was running, I think asked him to make a lot more throws in tight spots where like I think defenses knew that they had to never run game and they were they were really ready for the pass all the time. To where I can see why with some of the throws that he was able to make, I can understand why a guy like Dan Orlovsky can get infatuated with some of those wow throws he can make. But I just think between those wow throws, there were too many non-wow throws slash shouldn't have hospital balls shouldn't have thrown them whatsoever to make him even viable to be the number one quarterback at all in this class, let alone any other class, or just like I just think Fernando Madoz is a lot more consistent to where I just would never make that statement at all. And I think Orlovsky probably learned his lesson in this fact where even if even though I do think I don't I don't know, I think he just put a little bit too much stock into the throws that he saw that were good, rather than taking in totality all of what he did in college in comparison. I just don't think I just think he watches tape and just sees the wild throws, and that's all he gets attached to, not in the not the bad things that were very apparent throughout last season that you just can't get over if you actually watched all of what Ty Simpson did last year rather than just watching the highlights. You know? Um, but that's about done Ty Simpson, man. I don't think he's a first round pick. I think if he's a second or third round pick, I'd be a little more okay with it. But unfortunately, if you're a team that needs a quarterback, why take him in the first second round? If you could take him in the first round and get a fifth year option and do all that, that's where I'm like, man, now we're getting we're overdrafting dudes, not only because they're quarterbacks, because you'd rather have the flexibility to be able to get him for a fifth year if he's actually good. And that's where it's like, ugh. I'm like, remember when the remember when the Eagles picked up Jalen Hurts in the second round? And how, again, the issues recently notwithstanding, like how well it worked out? Like, imagine if Jalen Hurts is a first round pick. I think we'd look at him a lot differently than we do right now. So I just think that once you take a guy in the first round, it takes it puts a whole different type of pressure on a guy. That I just don't think Ty Simpson's talented enough or good enough to make work. At least as of right now, maybe he gets in the NFL, whoever he goes to and changes it all around and makes me look stupid. I'd be more than happy to accept it if that was the case. But I just don't see it as of right now. Neither does Jace. So I have two other quarterbacks. Nope, I did one. Let me see here. I did quote I did two other quarterbacks that I actually looked up and actually did some um what is the word I'm looking for? Did some actual no, what is the word I'm trying to look for? Research on. Um Chris Sims in his rankings did have Baron Morton as the number three guy in his rankings. I didn't even do the work of trying to look him up because the way I looked at him was they Texas Tech fans in the school wanted him gone so bad. And again, this is a team that made the playoffs and did all that, but every time he got on the field, he was all over the place. And I just did not see enough to where I felt like even doing a deep dive on what he was just based off how his own team feels about feels about him. Like people were happy to see him go, and they're more than happy to like let him walk out. And I just don't feel like he was even like it just wasn't good enough to even go out down that road, okay? So maybe maybe I'm crazy about this, maybe I'm not, maybe I'm going too far, but I don't know. But the other two quarterbacks I did a little bit of work on was his and then Joey Aguilar, uh I for him, I didn't do a lot of research on him, but I I saw enough of what he can do. He was Chris Sims' fourth-ranked quarterback. When I saw him, I think he was a decently good quarterback, but he played a lot of college football. I think he was like a sixth or seventh year guy. He was also a quarterback that I feel if he could have stayed for another year and had another year at eligibility, he probably would have stayed because he's just not going to be a highly sought-out type of talent. He has a big arm, but I just think when it comes to he's not necessarily all that big of a quarterback. He doesn't make great decisions all the time. When he does get pressure in his face, he's not going to make good decisions. I think all the other things that he doesn't really have all the tools necessary. He's definitely older for being a quarterback coming out right now. I say that all those things are just kind of going against him in that way. And I just don't think he's the talent necessarily necessary to be a top five quarterback in this year's class. Again, this quarterback class is awful. So maybe he is a top five guy in this year's class, but when I compare him to other quarterback classes I've seen in the past, it does not even close. So it is what it is on that. But the other two quarterbacks I did work on was Garrett Nussmeyer, who was the quarterback out of LSU, and then Drew Aller. So I'll go through these two and then kind of end the podcast from there. But I just kind of I did do the work on them, so even without Jace here, I do at least want to kind of give my thoughts. So Garrett Nusmeyer, I'll go first. He's the fifth ranked quarterback in Chris Sims' rankings. Um, and I'll give you my thoughts on him. So he's 6'2, 203. He has a smaller quarterback. I think he's sitting around 6'1, um, sorry, 6'2. Is what he's sorry, 6'2 is where he's at. So he's but he he's smaller as in stature, so he doesn't have a lot of weight on him at all. He's sitting definitely under 200 pounds normally. Um, but he does have a canon of an arm. He played a lot better in 2024 than 2025. So maybe the like gunslinger mentality kind of got coached out of him with Brian Kelly from 2024 and just made him a lot worse in 2025. But the I just I don't know. But again, he still was making crazy decisions in 2025 and throwing the football in bad spots and everything. He played terribly on his own, which I don't think you can totally blame blame on Brian Kelly, even though I do think Brian Kelly does have a propensity to kind of like tear players down and not necessarily make them their greatest. Other than um Um, why am I for Jaden? Um why am I forgetting his name? That's not good. Jaden. Oh no, why am it's Jaden? Um this is a bad time for me forgetting names, huh? Uh Washington Commanders. Jaden Daniels. That's his name. Um, other than Jaden Daniels, who got found a way to get better under Brian Kelly, not a lot of the not a lot of other quarterbacks can say the exact same thing because Brian Kelly's just not a good head coach. Sorry, he is fine, but he's not a elite head coach. And it's just his coaching style just has a way of like grinding on you and maybe maybe taking the best out of you. So again, but I'm not gonna blame that all on him. I think Garrett Nessmeyer definitely made a lot of bad decisions all on his own. Um so he knows he has a canon, so I'm back to Garrett Nessmeyer now. So he does know he has a cannon when it comes to his arm. He plays like it, so he does make a lot of bad decisions thinking I can fit it in there, which he does. He there's so many throws he does he throws out there where it's like, man, I can fit it in there, and it's just like, man, I know you have a good arm, but like you can make a better decision than this. He can throw different arm angles, he is an easy thrower, like everything he throws, he does not have to put a lot of effort into to throw the football at all. Like he his arm is an absolute canon, he really is. And when he is reading the defense and making good decisions, like he is a he's a son of a coach, so you can tell that he does have that in him a little bit, but it just feels like his um his own ego and knowing how good his arm is can kind of get him in trouble. Like I said before, I can fit it in there. Um he has a willingness to run, but he's not as athlet as athletic as Simpson at the smaller size. So, like when it comes to how I see Simpson running, I think Simpson can get running to his top speed a little bit quicker, where I think he can get some extra yards when necessary. I don't think Garrett Nussmeier can do nearly that. Like he's a little bit more lumbering when he tries to make any athletic movements outside of throwing the football. Um, he can extend the plays and make throws on the run with accuracy and anticipation, so he can do that. He doesn't have that in his bag, but again, it's all back to making good decisions. Um, he did play hurt until he was benched in 2025, so he is going to go out there and be a warrior and try to do that. But because of the frame, getting hurt will be hard to avoid. So when it comes to what he can do and how big he can get, like he's not, he's not, he doesn't have a frame to kind of put on 10 to 15 extra pounds to make him more durable in the NFL. So when I look at that and know that, like, yeah, you played hurt and you played tough, but it's just if you're not going to sit here and put on it be able to put on extra weight to kind of make you be able to last longer, on top of all the other things that that that are a little bit deficiencies in your game, I'm just not sure where teams should land on trying to pick him up and trying to think he can be their next guy or even a backup. Maybe he can be a very good backup that can do some good things, but I just don't ever see him being a number one quarterback, like starter for an NFL franchise. I just don't see it based on what I saw out of him. So again, I the arm is probably the best in this whole class. Like when he when he's throwing a man, it's an easy thrower. He has an howitzer of an arm. Like it's not even close to any anybody else's arm, it isn't even close to what his is because how easy of a thrower he is. Um, just effortless, natural thrower of the football, honestly, for him. But that's honestly his best trait, and I feel like he does rely on that too much to where it does have him make mistakes. The last quarterback that I did work on was Drew Aller. Again, I only did this because he was nowhere near Chris Sims' rankings. And I think Chris Sims on this one was actually pretty honest and was definitely on top of all the issues that Drew Aller has, and I totally agree with them. But I did want to do it because I just think that there is going to be a team, and I'm very scared about the Steelers being this team. I'm totally honest with you, with them being playing in Penn State, the same, obviously the same state as Pittsburgh plays in. So I do think there's gonna be a team out there, maybe I think it's might it could be Pittsburgh, but I hope not. That might trick themselves into thinking that if I can get him in, that is a ball of clay that I will be able to mold into being the quarterback that I need him to be. That he can be that lottery ticket if we give him the time necessary to do so. Okay? That is where I think the issues come in with him, okay? Because I he played for three years at Penn State as a starter, and I think did not get any better throughout his time there. Can that be partially to the idea that his coaching was not good there? Not only was his head coach not all that great in James Franklin, again, he's a good college football coach, but he's not great. And he's not necessarily an offensive guy either, so it's just like again, I think he is an offensive guy, but it's just that's not his, he's more of a CEO type. So it's not like he's getting elite coaching, and then all the coaches that James Franklin brought in to be his OCs either didn't weren't actually good at their jobs or didn't have an offense that actually fit what Drew Aller was as a quarterback. I think the guy that they had coaching him these last two seasons, he's more of like a like an actual college OC that's trying to spread the football out, run the quarterback, have like a more of a core like Drew Aller is a like people are gonna trick themselves into thinking he's a Josh Allen type quarterback, but I don't think he has the same, I think he has a similar athleticism, but it's not as easy as Josh Allen. So I really do think Drew Aller is more of like a stand in the quarterback and throw and distribute the football type of quarterback at his best, okay? Even though I don't think he has the arm, like the actual accuracy or anything like that to believe he can be that long term. But that's the type of quarterback he is, and the OC that James Franklin hired to be his O to be there for him doesn't run an offense that accentuates his strengths. So parti I will put partially some of that on the fact that he did not have the coach necessary to make him the quarterback that he that he is going to at his best be eventually be, right? But I think also you have to do a little bit of work on yourself to kind of make yourself a better quarterback, and one thing that you can work on yours work on by yourself is your fucking accuracy. And I think more often than not, when I look at the thing I was looking at, and I've obviously watched a lot of him because he's in the Big Ten and against Ohio State and all that, so that's a team I do pay attention to on a week in, week out basis. Anytime there's a wide receiver running away from him, it is a like a 60-40 chance he will not be able to hit him at all. He has real accuracy issues, and it's due to his mechanics not being consistent, and there are times where his mechanics look good, like in games where he feels like he doesn't have to work all that hard against lesser teams, but as soon as bullets start flying and they're playing against a team that actually has some real talent on the other side and that can get after him, his mechanics break down and his accuracy goes down with it. And he doesn't have an arm because you know there's just people that like can throw with their arm that's like just naturally accurate. And again, partially part part of that can be taken up by can get better by having good mechanics. But there are people out there, like I like Aaron Rodgers, who were is just naturally accurate, that even throwing off their back foot, not having the perfect mechanics can still make it work because of how perfect how good their arm is, but that's not Drew Aller. He needs to have perfect he he needs his frame from top, from bottom to top, from the bottom of his feet to the top of his head, need to be perfect in order for his for him to make the right throw, because his he doesn't, even though I think he has a powerful arm that can make big throws, but he doesn't have an accurate one. And that's the problem. So how no matter how much training you do, when bullets start flying and it's time for competition, you're gonna go back to what feels natural to you. And naturally, he is not an athletic, sorry, he is not a accurate or good passer. He's just not so Drew Aller at 6'5-228, he can he can he is physical enough, he has every physical trait that a GM can ask for in a Q quarterback for today's NFL. Really is. You look at him and you see his frame, you see his size, you think Josh Allen. 6'5, 228. That is exactly what Josh, that's a that's a lab. If you're making a Josh Allen clone, pretty close to that, Drew Aller is. When his mechanics are right, he could he can accentuate his big arm, leading to big plays, but consist but inconsistent, right? He is willing to run and can make throws on the run, but don't bet on it due to his accuracy issues. There are times where he can throw he's on the run, they can make some big make some throws. Again, not big ones down the field, but like he can he can do it. It's there, I guess, sometimes. Very few, very few out of the many. But it's there, I do have to give him that. But his accuracy is such an issue that I just don't think you can rely on that consistently. Um like I said before, a GM will probably trick themselves into thinking they can fix him as a late-round pick, and I just don't see it, man. I don't see it. Don't trick, don't, do not fall into this trap. I'm telling you, it is the worst thing ever because I saw so much of him at Penn State over three years and he never got better on his own. Some of the issues he has are things you can get better on on your own, and it never got better. It just didn't. And I just think and he especially and this is my other big thing about him, he's not a big moment quarterback. Whenever whenever it's time for him to go out there and win the game for your team and make the plays necessary to go get the job done, he is never gonna be a quarterback that's going to like put the team on his back and go make a play. It's just not what he is. And maybe that's partially due to the t his his inaccuracies to where he doesn't have the tools necessary. But I just don't look at him and see a confident enough quarterback and what he is like in his own, just like I talked about Fernando earlier, where I'm like, I feel like I can feel his emotions through the TV screen. When I watch Drew Aller on the TV screen, I do not feel like he thinks he can go out there and put a team on his back and win. And again, at the at the end of the day, football is a contact gladiator, big bravado sport. And I just feel like you need to have that as a quarterback if you're going to be a guy to lead a franchise and go win football games and go win championships. And Drew Aller doesn't have that either. So not only does he not have the accuracy and the arm necessary, but he doesn't have the inner belief that he can go out and make things happen when things need to happen. That's just too much for me to have to ignore in order to trick yourself into thinking he can eventually be a real starting quarterback in the NFL. I just don't see it, man. It's not good enough. It hasn't been good enough. And I just think there are, like I said before, I keep saying it, there's gonna be a team dumb enough to make it make it make themselves feel like they can fix them, and it's not gonna fucking happen. I'm telling you. And again, if it fucking happens, I'll I'll have to eat it on this one. I'll have to eat it. But the way I see it right now, I just don't think he has the tools necessary to get the job done. And I don't I don't know. I don't know what to do about it, man. I don't know what to do about it. I would say just stay away. But uh there is gonna be a team that's gonna be dumb enough to make that move, and uh they're gonna be wasting their picks slash their money on it. But you know, it is what it is on that. I just hope it's not the Steelers making that decision. I really hope. I really hope. Because they're a sucker for an in-state guy, just like they already did with Kenny Pickett. So even though I think Kenny Pickett was like a different, even different level because he was literally in the same building as them, because he played at Pitt, who they share a practice, a practice facility. So, again, that is part of it where I think it was a little bit more attached there. But again, Penn State being in the same state, there's gonna be a lot of Pittsburgh fans that are gonna want to start clamoring for it. And I feel like there is a little bit of an organizational, like, oh, he's from Pittsburgh, he can be a guy, and it's just gonna like ugh gross. I'd rather just put more of your time into Will Howard and hope that he can turn into something rather than try to pick up Drew Aller to do that because it's just not gonna happen with him. It's not gonna fucking happen. He had three years at Penn State to make get him make himself better, and he didn't, it didn't happen at all. No better. Again, coaching is partial part of that, but I think it's on him to work on it as well, and it that just didn't happen over his three years as a starter for Penn State. It didn't, it just didn't work. All right, and that's about it for all the quarterbacks that I had talked about. So hopefully you enjoyed that whole thing because I know it took a while. We're two out, two and a half hours in, but again, we talked about a lot of different things today. A little bit of a tangent here or there, which isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world. But I wanted to make sure to kind of get this podcast out this week, as I did the podcast earlier this week. I just want to make sure I made up for us not being here the last two weeks, and then just making sure we put a couple another episode out for you. We'll be back next week. I think I want to do running backs. Um the running just like we did today with the quarterbacks and wide receivers. I want to do some running backs for the NFF for the draft, and I think I want to do running backs, and I think I'll do defensive ends. Yeah, and I'll have Jace look it up. If he wants to be a part of it, I'll let him go ahead and do some do some research as well, and we'll do it again. But if not, it'll just be me sitting here talking to a wall. Be more than happy to do that as well. So it is what I will definitely be back next week because we just have we have two weeks till the draft. So sorry, 13 days until the draft. So I definitely want to make sure we get all the draft talk in that we can before we get to the um before we get to the what of what is the the draft. Why? Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm having a brain aneurysm there. I did want to go through a mock draft for let me see here. Um what is the word uh who's the guy that I think was looking for? I wanted to go through Peter Schrager's mock draft that he came out with a c couple days ago where he did a whole first round mock, and he usually is a guy that's doing it all based off of what he hears. He's more of like a news outlet guy that's kind of getting information from people and organizations. But because we've already gone for two and a half hours, I don't want to just sit here and make it extended if we don't have to. So I will go ahead and save it for the next pod. Either we'll do this one or we'll do a different mock draft if I find one I find more interesting for us to react to. I'll wait until then. So I don't want to make this one too much longer. It's already two and a half hours. I've been going on for you know half an hour by myself now with with Jace having to leave a little early. So let's just go ahead and get out of here before I overstay my welcome. So, if you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you. 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