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The Thunder Spurs series has everything we claim we miss about basketball and also everything that makes us want to throw the remote. We break down why OKC’s depth keeps saving them even when key ball handlers are out, why San Antonio’s offense rises and falls with Wembanyama’s mindset, and the simple but brutal difference between playing inside-out versus settling for outside-in. When Wemby lives in the paint, the whole floor bends. When he drifts, the Spurs start asking him to do KD things without KD burst, and that’s where the cracks show.

Then we say the quiet part out loud about the modern NBA: foul baiting is a science now. We talk Shai, flopping, free throws, swallowed whistles, and why fans feel like they’re watching a loophole instead of a game. From there we pivot to the Knicks, the noise around New York, and whether the East prepared them for the kind of West opponent that punishes every weak link, especially when matchups force tough defense and real rim pressure.

The back half turns into a rapid-fire sports news run: what LeBron’s next move could look like, the Brennan Sorsby NCAA gambling story and where consequences should land, plus NFL offseason chaos with Josh Jacobs, Rashee Rice, Stafford’s extension, Derwin James getting paid again, and the AJ Brown trade rumors. We close by running the Bengals schedule game by game, arguing about their floor, their ceiling, and what “Super Bowl or bust” really means with Joe Burrow. If you like honest sports talk with strong takes and zero patience for nonsense, subscribe, share the show, and leave a five-star review.

Transcript

Back After A Short Break

SPEAKER_06 0:09

Welcome back to James Fuck Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May the 27th. Back for the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

We're back, the both of us. It's been a minute. I think it's been a few weeks. And I didn't record at all last week. I no, I recorded last Monday. And then I was waiting for stuff to happen. Next thing you know, the the finals, not the finals, Western Conference, Eastern Conference finals happening. So I was like waiting, and then next thing you know, Jace shows up on my job, he's and then he mentions potting for the first time. If obviously you don't always get that side of not being on podcast while talking, but Jace never brings up the podcast first. It's very rare. So as soon as he brings it up first, gotta pounce on it, and he's like, hey, let's do it today. I'm like, you know what? Let's get it done. So we're here. We got stuff to talk about, and plenty too.

Thunder Spurs Series Takes

SPEAKER_02 1:00

So I guess we'll start with basketball then. If there's not that much to talk about, but you know, let's get to that. Do you want to start with the Knicks running through the East, or you want to get to the better series happening right now? That isn't over yet. Um, I want to call it the better series. Yes, it is the better series. Thunder Spurs? That's a much better. A very good series. We'll start with that. Thunder Spurs. Thunder's currently up 3-2 after the game last night. Pretty close game, but it just felt like there was a hole that the Spurs just kind of got into that the Spurs just couldn't get out of. And it was a close game most of the time. Like they it was a 10-point lead.

SPEAKER_06 1:41

I wouldn't call it a hole.

SPEAKER_07 1:42

I feel like the the way that the Spurs have been playing sometimes. Wemby was horrific from three. Yeah. Um, just horrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

I have a I have a theory on as to like what the difference is. Good. Uh so for me, I think Wemby, everybody looks at Wemby and sees he's a he's literally when you watch him play, it's like he's from the future. He's so tall, he has crazy handles, he can do everything possible. He can shoot, he can be a big man on the inside, and it's almost like a it's like a even more like when KD used to be like that, it was like a future thing, but I think KD was a different athlete, right? The difference is from Wemby from when he decides he wants to be aggressive and play from the inside, and then there's nights where it looks like he doesn't have it in him to do it. And I'm not sitting here saying about I'm not going to question the guy's toughness because it's stupid, he's a very tough guy, they foul him all the time, he plays through stuff and all that. That's that's cool. But there is an obvious difference, it almost feels like when he goes into a game saying, Hey, I want to dominate this game offensively, being in the paint, than when last night it is him not getting any of his touches in the paint, and he's trying to play from outside in. When I think it's very obvious that for Wemby, his best offensively is when he plays inside out, where he's getting all of his touches on the inside, he's getting the lobs, and he can like attack from the inside, but then guess what? Next thing you know, he can hit a three on trailing. So like the thing is is like when he gets so attached to trying to score from the outside, because again, I get it, him playing like a big man on the inside is very tiring for him. Especially when you're playing against a team like Oklahoma City that has a bunch of really good defenders. Hartenstein is not gonna let him bully him on the inside, he's at least gonna play tough, right? And I don't think Chet Homer actually wants to guard him ever, but I think at least when Chet is in Chet is in there and he does have to do the job, he at least is a big man that Wemby has to fight through to a certain extent. So, and so when Wemby has that in front of him, I can understand him being tired, be like, hey, I don't got it tonight. I need to play from outside it. I need to play more from the outside. But if his three shot at three ball isn't hitting, it takes away all his effective his effectiveness. Defensively, he's super effective. They use him on the middle of the defense. I don't think that'll ever be a problem with them defensively, but offensively, especially with that team around him, like because let's be honest, the the Spurs, I think starting the season, nobody really understood how good that that whole team truly was. And then as the season went along, you start realizing how good Stefan Castle is and how awesome he can be, even though in this series I think he's had a lot of turnover issues, and he didn't actually have a lot of turnovers last night. But guess what? In the big moment where they were trying to get a singles, like a single uh single point deficit trying to cut down on the deficit they were in, there's a bad foul. Or um Dylan Harper being another, him being in his first year as a as a as a pro, him playing very well, but he's coming off an injury and he's kind of still kind of working his way back. He's not playing as physical as he was in that game one, where yes, he was probably he was overshadowed by the fact that Wemby scored 41 in that first game when he truly went when Wemby truly went off. But Dylan Harper hasn't been the same since since then because he had a hamstring injury, I believe. So if Wemby doesn't go into a game right away saying, hey, I'm gonna dominate this game from the inside offensively, it changes the way their offense works. Because next thing you know, he's asking for the ball at the three-point line, and then they're asking him to try to break down somebody off of that. And as much as I think Wemby is a very gifted guy, Wemby doesn't have the burst to be unless he's playing against like a real like nobody at as a center, right? That doesn't have any athleticism, he's not gonna burst past you in like what KD did when he in his younger days. He uses his length against centers, it's length, not necessarily having a burst that no one or other center has. So I just think that in OKC, as much as I think they have they've had their issues in the series because they've had so many of their ball handlers kind of like go out with injury. Last night they had freaking, why am I forgetting his name? Um, Jared McCain have his first start in his whole career, and he had 20 points last night.

SPEAKER_07 6:06

Jared McCain started before.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

I don't think so. I think that they they I think they were talking about last night that was his first start ever as a pro.

SPEAKER_07 6:12

Yeah, no, that cannot be true.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

Hold on, let me look it up. Let me make sure I'm not saying it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Jared McCain starts.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Um, so he had 11, he has 11 total of 11 clear career starts. It was his first start last night with the thunder. Yeah. My bad. There's no way. But still, only has only having 11 career starts in like two seasons is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_07 6:41

Well, that's because he was on a team where he maxie was the point guard. True.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 6:47

They're trying to play him at the two. And have you met Jared McCain?

SPEAKER_02 6:51

That's not what the he's not he's not a big ball handler. Even though I do think he's actually relatively good handling the ball, but he's not like gifted. No.

SPEAKER_07 6:58

Okay, Jared McCain would be a great two. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 7:03

Hey.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

He doesn't play good enough defense to be an every night starter for starter for Oklahoma City. For Oklahoma City specifically.

SPEAKER_07 7:10

No, but I do believe he could be a quality starter for a different team.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

Yeah, he just doesn't play defense. All that again, he tries. He tries to play defense. He is he's gritty. A lot of tenacity. He's doing what he can. But he doesn't have the physical tools to play great deep. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 7:25

And he's on a team that knows that.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Again, why they've again, they didn't want never want to start him until last night where they've had so many guys out. J Dub, Jalen, the better Jalen Williams was out. They had um Lou Dort who didn't play last night. There's a whole bunch of guys that they usually would be able to handle the ball that wasn't didn't play last night, and yet the Thunder still dominated that game because a guy like Jared McCain came in and did great, along with the fact that um Wemby didn't get the help from potentially the other guys on his on a on a starting roster that he usually would get.

unknown 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

Like Darren Fox has been so he's been hurt.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

He has been gimpy, he's been trying to play.

SPEAKER_07 8:06

But some like sometimes while I've been watching him play, that motherfucker's just mid.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Oh no, for sure. He is definitely a guy that plays more with his athleticism. And if that three ball wasn't hitting, which it wasn't last night, he kind of again, he's gimpy, he's still trying to play. He missed like the first two games of the series, and then ever since then, he's been playing. But it's been obvious that he's getting up gimpy when he's going to try to make a big play. Um athletically. So I just think that all in all, again, they're going back home for game six, and hopefully they can win that game to kind of force a game seven back in Oklahoma City. But guess what? You're playing the longer this series goes, the more likely OKC is going to be able to get their guys back, J Dub, um, Lou Dort, and this other guys they're we they'll be looking for. And here's my Can I ask you a question? Do you have a preference as to who you would like to actually go? Because I I do think this game is this series is the finals. I I think whichever team comes out of this, they're gonna beat the Knicks. Am I crazy for saying that?

SPEAKER_07 9:13

I say the the Spurs probably body the Knicks?

SPEAKER_02 9:17

I think OKC would body the Knicks. I think the Knicks but OKC's guards are all bullies, and I don't think that the Knicks could even handle that.

SPEAKER_07 9:27

I believe the Knicks would be okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

You think so?

SPEAKER_07 9:30

You think they'd win the series though? I think the Knicks would put up a better fight against OKC. I I can see it going to seven. I could see it going to four.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Right, okay, so it's it's more of so you think it's like they don't really win the series, but they can make it closer.

SPEAKER_07 9:49

I think they okay. I think the determining factor is one they'd have to be ahead. They'd have to be up to one. They'd have to never be ahead. That's the only problem. I believe they could beat OKC. I believe there's a world where they can beat OKC. I see no fucking possible way they beat the Spurs. I think they have a better chance of beating the Spurs. I think Wimby goes for 60. Because Towns ain't that fucking good.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

He's Towns can't play defense at all. I don't think they have a center that can handle Wemby. If Wemby plays aggressively.

SPEAKER_07 10:18

But again, this is the finals. That motherfucker's gonna show his ass.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

No, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 10:22

If there's anything I like about Wimby, he don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Oh, he wants to smoke, he wants to smoke.

SPEAKER_07 10:27

I really this is this is a game I have to win. Yeah, for sure. I saw on Twitter of like your clips of Wimby, and the first combo was Kobe would have loved him. Uh, because this motherfucker's gonna do what it takes to win.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

He is not like the normal like Middle Eastern player that comes in with like a laissez-faire type attitude. He came in saying, I want to dominate this league.

SPEAKER_07 10:46

And he gets angry, he cries, he gets mad. No, he gets watching Wimby play.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

His his hate for Chet Holmgren will last for all lifetime. And it all spurns, because I watched a whole like a whole TikTok made about it, where this all spurns from when they played each other when they were high school.

SPEAKER_04 11:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

And Wemby fouled out of a game, didn't get the MVP, and ever since Wemby's like, this is the enemy of my life. Fuck him. And I don't think I don't think Chet ha even has that same hatred towards Wemby, but Wemby don't give a fuck. He's like, no, that one moment is gonna change my life forever. And I just I I admire that about Wemby, but I just think that when I s what I saw in that first game, what he did with that 41 points, he had 24 rebounds, is like the best of what he can be. But I just think that when it comes to putting out that type of effort, both offensively and defensively, all in one, takes him so much effort to happen because of how thin he is. And again, I'm not saying he's not strong, I'm not saying he's weak on the inside, but it's just all of the beating that it takes being a center and playing like that is a lot is a lot harder on a guy like him because as big as he is, he's small. So I'm just sitting there like, will he over time get better at being able to kind of distribute that energy and be able to like last over a whole series? And absolutely, but like the question is will he be able to pull it out for this series? Which I'm like, I'm not sure. I still think OKC might, because again, these are the last two games. If San Antonio can even pull off this game sixth and push it to a seventh game, OKC's gonna be back at home in that crazy I'm I'm not gonna lie. The best home from all the games that I've watched, the best home experience is the OKC Thunder. Like their fans are insane people. They all show out, they all wear their t-shirts, they're standing for as much of the game as possible. Even though I do think San Antonio is really good, their fans are as well to show out on on TV.

SPEAKER_07 12:37

I watched the game on TV on my tablet. Hearing them go flopper, flopper, flopper. I think I I about cried hearing that. Uh, it brought me true joy because I hate watching

Flopping And The Free Throw Problem

SPEAKER_07 12:50

them play basketball. It makes me angry.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

Okay, so let's get to that real quick before we get to the next part. Does OKC make you that angry watching them like everybody else?

SPEAKER_07 12:58

Motherfucker, I liked watching OKC when Russ was coming down the lane, and I'm like, he's about to hammer this motherfucker. Now they come down the lane and I'm watching Shay through shoot three free throws. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. Do you motherfucker? Literally, I'm watching kids who enjoy basketball flop.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Yeah. Everybody's their take.

SPEAKER_07 13:18

Like, I remember I like I remember being younger, and I'm trying to head top a motherfucker just because I can't.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 13:24

Like, I don't want to watch this shit because it's not good basketball. Fuck this bullshit. It's over. No, watching play brings me fucking joy.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

True. No threes. Reckless abandoned. Actually, no, and shoots a lot of threes.

SPEAKER_07 13:39

And he's pretty fucking decent.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Relatively, but again.

SPEAKER_07 13:42

He's about to come down court on this seven foot five motherfucking. He's about to hammer this bitch. That's why I like watching Ja.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

If he ever plays a game.

SPEAKER_07 13:52

Exactly. But again, watching that man, Anthony Edwards, come down court with reckless fucking band, and he's trying to murder whoever the fuck is down there. I miss, I miss hearing announcers yell, Russ, that man had a family. Like, what you mean? That man had a family, a wife and kids on air? You're saying that on air? That's because that man came down court with a vengeance.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong, dude.

SPEAKER_07 14:20

I like like come on, man. There was something about watching a fucking contact dunk. No foul call. Watching a motherfucker like Quincy AC go up for a fucking dunk.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

I I will say that the foul baiting, it used to be when Harden did it, it was like a thing like specifically to him. Yeah. But then the rules changed and then things. Everybody's doing it. The foul baiting has become a science. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:45

I think last night got fouled where Darren didn't even touch.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah, he went up for he went up for it was like a it was a jump shot, long two.

SPEAKER_07 14:53

Literally, Darren Fox goes like this. Doesn't even touch him.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Matrix is around him. Yeah. And he fell. Have you do you do you subscribe to the fall theory from Shea?

SPEAKER_07 15:01

I don't know. Or the one where um Hartenstein has Castle's fucking dreads. Ref is looking right at it. No foul called.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Heck, they got a crazy call on uh Stefan Castle too. Because Castle's playing defense on um on not Holmgren, but Hartenstein. And Hartenstein just locked his arm in and just like flopped. And then that gave him like his fifth foul, so he had to leave in the middle of the fourth quarter because they're worried about getting him getting a sixth foul and getting taken out of the game. So like the foul baiting has become a science, and I think OKC, because Shea does it so aggressively at times, even though I do think throughout this playoffs he's been better.

SPEAKER_07 15:40

This nigga shot nine free throws last night.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

But usually he shoots a lot. Like in the during the regular season, he's shooting like 15 a night, dude. Like this is still, even though it's bad, and like when the moments you see it, the clips to come up, it looks very bad. I don't think he's actually doing it as much in this playoff run because I do think they're they're um playing him a little different when it comes to like swallowing their whistle. But I think the downside of that is that they're playing their they're not sw they're swallowing their whole thing. They're not calling for everybody. They're calling it for they're not calling any fast. They're not calling anybody, and next thing Wemby's getting mugged at all times by the bunch of goons they have with OKC when they're playing that way. Again, goons is probably a little aggressive, but that's how they play. Out.

SPEAKER_07 16:22

Like it's like hockey. You have a motherfucker where all he's about to do is go out there and blow their best player up. That is literally what they do in a hockey. They have no motherfucker. He does not play. He's about to get in for a minute. Go kill that motherfucker right there.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

You know they did that to McCain last night. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:38

You see Wemby talked to Go fuck that motherfucker up.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Two hard fouls on McCain right away.

SPEAKER_07 16:43

Literally, it's currently being upgraded to a flagrant one. They're trying, they're reviewing it today to upgrade that bit to a flagrant one.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

It was bad. It was a bad look.

SPEAKER_07 16:53

I don't I talked to those dudes and they got Mason Plumley. I think that's who that first dude was.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Oh, that was a that was on purpose.

SPEAKER_07 16:58

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The second one, I don't think, was actually on purpose. The first dude that he talked to Mason Plumley, you could see he looked him down and like a football player. Send him to go. Next dude. Stop, send him to go. I don't remember who I don't know who's gonna be. Bizmack Biombo. Okay, I do know who that is. That's weird. Uh Crazy Pool.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Uh the fact I remember that name is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 17:18

But you know, I think you say that name, and I know that man.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

But I don't think he was as bad. He was going for a block. But he did kick him in his chest.

SPEAKER_07 17:25

He sent those two randoms to go kill Jared McCain. And it sucks because Jared McCain don't be doing the other shit now. Jared McCain don't foul baby. Sometimes he does. But again, you know, it's okay here and there. Right. Right? Two, like once or twice a night cool. Right. You're talking. I'm watching Shay jump up, kick his legs out.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

There's so many TikToks of him falling all the time because they're like, oh, he never fell this much when he was with the clippers, and next thing you know, he's on the ground, he's on the court all the time. And I'm sitting like, oh, I like maybe I can get that fact that oh, he was so athletic, why is he falling so much now? Again, when everybody's just trying to make the case that he's just trying to get a foul at all times. Which I'm like, okay, fine, but it like I've always said that it accentuates what he does when they have a bunch of bullies playing defense on the other side, fouling all the time, daring the refs to call it. So it just makes it look that much worse what Shea is doing when they have so many guard, so many just like Lou Dortz and just dudes like playing super aggressive, saying I just meet they're gonna make the refs call it at all times. So it just makes it look worse. And it's just like that's the part where pe a lot of people are like against OKC so much. Even though I think that I was watching something that they were like, San Antonio was the team that everybody hated for a long time. They respected, but they hated because they played a certain way, and it was like it was like super boring and all that.

SPEAKER_07 18:44

But I just think they just played basic basketball, yeah. Not exciting, yeah, not exactly fun to watch. They're gonna win by 10.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Yeah, you're not wrong. And not so I think there's I just think now the all the excitement. I the the idea of OKC doing what they do and everybody talking about them foul baiting and all that and winning back-to-back titles, I think makes everybody a lot more frustrated by that. And the idea of Wemby going up.

SPEAKER_07 19:10

Did he really fuck up 17? Oh, that's bad.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

All right, 17 free throws. That's a lot. That's a lot.

SPEAKER_07 19:17

Ludort played 25 minutes, uh, went three for seven.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Oh, Ludort's not out there to actually score. He's there to swing on somebody. No, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 19:27

He played a lot of fucking time to not do shit.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

He's out there to play defense as hard as possible. That's what that's what his job is in that in that for that team, let alone in that game.

SPEAKER_07 19:38

Okay. Okay. The game they lost two days ago, I bet you he shot a quarter of the free throws. I know this nigga shot 15, he just missed a fucking six for 15. I don't know how you shoot the most free most free throws in the league and go wow.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

What's crazy is that they've won these three games, and Shay hasn't necessarily played all that great at all in this series at all, and it's just the bench coming up big in the games that they're winning.

SPEAKER_07 20:00

17 a few days ago.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:03

I'm not gonna lie to you, you saying he hasn't been doing a lot in the playoffs just went out the window.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

No, okay, maybe. Maybe maybe. Maybe okay, you're not 17. 24! What game was that?

SPEAKER_06 20:13

This was uh game uh uh game two. Twenty-four! That's a lot of free throws.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Yeah, that's a lot of free throws.

SPEAKER_06 20:22

Twenty-four! Yeah Jerry McCain took 14! Bro.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Okay, all right, I'll have to eat that. I'll eat that. I'll eat that for sure. I will. Twenty-three game one okay, twenty-three Jay Will took twenty-five! Okay, game one went to double overtime.

SPEAKER_07 20:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

That's a lot of game time. Okay, that I'll give the first game.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

Rushot shot 19, SGA shot 23, and Jared Jay Will shot 25. My nigga, that is almost 60 shots.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:01

Literally.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

It was a long game.

SPEAKER_07 21:04

Almost half their points came from free throws.

SPEAKER_06 21:10

Bro. Bro.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Okay. Alright. Alright.

SPEAKER_06 21:14

I know why motherfuckers hate these niggas.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Look, I so, so, so is it's very clear to see that you're rooting for San Antonio.

unknown 21:23

No, I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 21:24

I just like Wemby.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

I like Wemby too, man. He's just watching him is like watching the future a little bit. I just think that as long as he plays aggressively, he's very he's just so hard to stop. And I just think the guys around him is like, I just think if Dylan Harper can play and be able to produce a lot more offensively than what he has been the last couple games ever since game one with the injury. And then Stefan Castle, as long as he's not turning the full turning the ball over, he's very good.

SPEAKER_07 21:51

That's his only problem.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Is he does he dig he does get turnover heavy? He will turn that bitch over. I think he had like a he had like twenty turnovers in the map in the matter of two games, not last. Night, but the two games before that, he had like 20 combined turnovers by himself in two games in a row.

SPEAKER_07 22:05

He had three last night. Okay, it does it does the only problem I have with him is that it helps a lot that he's pretty good on defense.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Oh no, he's a dog on defense. He plays hard.

SPEAKER_07 22:14

He had three turnovers and five steals last night. No, you're not wrong. So it's like he's offsetting his turnovers, which makes him a starter.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Not last night's game. The two games before that, he was a turnover monster. It was a problem. But I and stuff, and here's the thing, I think it makes it that much easier for all their guys to play dog defense because they know Wemby's behind them. He's like, hey, you're not gonna go to the basket on me because Wemby's sitting back there and what are you gonna do? Shoot over that guy?

SPEAKER_07 22:37

The night before.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Huh?

SPEAKER_07 22:39

The 24th? He only had one turnover.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

That's last that yeah, that's 24th.

SPEAKER_07 22:44

Yeah. It wasn't last night, it was uh two nine seconds.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

Oh, okay. Did he realize I thought it was more than that?

SPEAKER_07 22:52

One turnover.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Maybe I'm crazy. I think he had a lot of turnovers.

SPEAKER_07 22:58

No, you're you're right. At some point he thought it was.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Was it game two and game three then? Am I crazy? Is that it?

SPEAKER_07 23:03

Who cares? Again, it doesn't matter. But again.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Yeah, he had nine turnovers.

SPEAKER_07 23:08

Okay, yeah, he had yeah, it was two games.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

It was two games before that.

SPEAKER_07 23:11

Shea took literally almost a hundred or something more free throws than the next closest guy while playing nine games less than the next closest guy.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Oh no, for sure. During the regular season, he's a he's a foul merchant, dude.

SPEAKER_07 23:24

It continued. It didn't stop.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

20 23. No, you're not wrong. Okay, I I get that fact. I just think that watching four. Yeah. No, here's the thing. Maybe it's because he does so much to try to bait fouls when he doesn't get the foul, it it becomes that much more like um. It's like it's no more noticeable when he tries to get the foul and doesn't get it. Oh, yeah. Maybe that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 23:49

No, no, no. It becomes he becomes a little bitch about it, starts flailing his arms. And everybody was like, he didn't even fuck a touch. Yeah, no, you're not wrong. That's my only problem, is that it's not Joe Joe. Jay Wolf shot 20. They literally shot the same amount of free throws. They shot half the amount of free throws that they had points. They had 115. They shot 64 free throws.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

There's no way that which game was that?

SPEAKER_07 24:13

One check it.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

That's a lot of free throws.

SPEAKER_07 24:16

Jay Wolf shot 25. Uh I got you. I'll pull it back up.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

I'm on the game two here. Hold on.

SPEAKER_07 24:23

Sorry, now I'm kind of angry.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Okay. They they shot 19 free throws, my guy.

SPEAKER_07 24:29

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:31

Game one?

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Yeah, I'm looking at free throw percentage. They went 16 of 19.

SPEAKER_07 24:35

Joe, that's free throw percentage.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Yeah, but 19 total free throws. Oh San Antonio had 29 free throws. Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it right here. No, it's not bullshit. Because 60 something free throws in a game is insane. You know how long that game would be? No, they shot 19 free throws total.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

I think it's like my field goal percentage. My fault. My fault. My apologies.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

That's funny. I'm glad we got that one figured out. I'm like, you kept saying it. I'm like, there's no way.

SPEAKER_07 25:12

I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Free throw percentage. Yeah, they only shot 19 in that game. Again, which made a big difference because San Antonio shot 27 and 29 in that first game. Um but yeah, it's just, you know, it's just, I just think overall, I think this this series is for the finals for the most part.

Knicks Run And Why It Annoys Us

SPEAKER_02 25:28

And let's go to the other side, I guess, for the Knicks. Do you find the Knicks to be impressive, or I find the all the talk about the Knicks to be annoying? Um maybe I'm just a Knicks hater because our stepdad's a Knicks fan. And every time I ever I hear him talk about the Knicks, it makes me hate that.

SPEAKER_07 25:47

I think it's the difference. I get to watch the Knicks from the outside and get to watch motherfuckers in New York be like, Jalen Brunson, you win the finals, and I'll suck your dick. Like shit like that. I get to watch that stuff. Or literally them getting the police ready for the Knicks to win the conference finals.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Oh, the oh, the fans don't know how to act.

SPEAKER_07 26:05

No, literally, there's videos of them on the news that day getting the police officers ready for the Knicks to win the conference finals.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Yeah, because they know that everybody's gonna act a full.

SPEAKER_07 26:16

Yeah, yeah. And I watched a video of them get a dude off a street sign, and then the whole crowd, breed him, breathe him. You know what they do? They free that nigga. There's like three of y'all in a crowd. You have to free up. Y'all go, y'all don't have enough bullets. You know what they did?

SPEAKER_02 26:30

They free him. So you find so you find the extra stuff more entertain more entertaining.

SPEAKER_07 26:35

Again, I don't live with a Knicks fan. Um the Knicks are fucking annoying. They're all annoying because I'm be honest with you, they're not beating the team from the West.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Am I crazy? Because they if they give me like a I've I've said this before, they have like kind of like the Cowboys vibe. No. Of like their fans like always believing they have a chance, and then next thing I think here's the difference. Even though I do think cow Knicks fans are they know basketball. They do, but they have a crazy hope that only rivals cowboy fans.

SPEAKER_07 27:01

Their hope is warranted because their team's always good.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

At least over the last couple years they have been for sure.

SPEAKER_07 27:07

Like I'd I'd say I'd give them like fucking 10-15 years of their team's been pretty fucking good. Back when they had Melo and that they had JR, they had a bunch of teams that were always really, really good.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

But they just weren't LeBron.

SPEAKER_07 27:22

Yeah. And if it wasn't LeBron, it was the fucking Celtics.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Somebody or the Pacers having their having their heyday. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 27:31

Literally, either a better team, like back in the 2000s, it was the Celtics and LeBron, and then it wasn't LeBron for a while, and the Pacers would just send them home at random. Yeah. Uh not the Pacers, it was somebody else. It was the Bucks for a few years. And then LeBron comes back, sends them home again and again and again. Yeah. Again, either they're up against a literal the Celtics were just a super team every time they went. Yeah. Or LeBron James.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

No doubt. So like LeBron had a stranglehold of these.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

I just think that with the with the the road that they had in this, and not to I think it's really accentuated by the fact that like places like ESPN, it's a big market with a big team. So next thing you know, this is like all they want to talk about. But again, because it's such a big deal because they agree with New York finally has no for sure. It's a big deal.

SPEAKER_07 28:23

It's it's a huge deal, and I understand, and I just think New York really loves their fucking sports.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

And they love that they love their Knicks. They deliver it on their things. They do, they love their Knicks. I think that's the favorite team in the city.

SPEAKER_07 28:33

Well, it's the only team that plays in the city.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

You're not wrong. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 28:38

Every other team don't play in the city, and the one did that did play in the city ain't in Brooklyn no more. No, they still don't play in Brooklyn. They play in New Jersey still. The what, the Yankees? The Nets. Oh, the Nets. They don't play in Brooklyn. They still play in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Yeah. I thought they moved to Brooklyn when they got the new stadium.

SPEAKER_07 28:59

I don't know. I'm I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

I'm pretty sure it's Brooklyn, but I don't think most New Yorkers even like Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_07 29:03

Because they moved to New Jersey.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

And I just think it's a Knicks town, dude. It's kind of like the same thing with the Lakers and the Clippers. It's just a Clipper, it's a it's a Lakers town. So it just is what it is. There's nothing the Clippers can do about it.

SPEAKER_07 29:14

Look, there's nothing like it's the same thing I would think, like the Yankees. Uh I don't know a fucking Mets fan from New York. I I've I have a friend that's from New York. Yeah. I've never seen a fucking Mets fan.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Even though I do think Mets fans are a lot more, um, they have a lot more bite to them the than the other fans of a city of a two two team city.

SPEAKER_07 29:33

You got to be. You're a Mets fan. Yeah, for sure. Your team's ass.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

At all times. Let's be honest with you.

SPEAKER_07 29:39

I don't see like let's be honest with you. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You've you've always existed.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Even when they spend money their ass.

SPEAKER_07 29:45

Yeah, you spend money on a player from the Yankees just for him to be duck shit for you. Doesn't do shit, doesn't she? Fuck nigga. Like, that's the thing. Yeah, like they they've never truly been horrible. No. You're just not the Yankees. Exactly. And you never will be. Nope. That's your fault.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

And you're not gonna never gonna be the Yankees in that city. Like, that's the problem, is that you're always battling against the Goliath.

SPEAKER_07 30:04

Brooklyn's in the same boat.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Yeah. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 30:06

It may be a New York team.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:08

But take your bitch ass back to Jersey. Yeah. Like that's what I've heard that said to a Brooklyn uh Nets fan. Yeah. Like, that's what it is. That's a Knicks city. And these motherfuckers are out Madison outside of Madison Square guard doing a fucking Dougie. Like that's what they're doing. Conference finals. For a conference finals, you would think they won the fucking final. You would think they won.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Yeah. They're just like, hey, we just want a shot at it. And even though I just think. Let's get let's let's get to the road here to where they've gotten. Oh, that's they've they've dominated everybody that they played. I have to give them that credit.

SPEAKER_07 30:43

I guess the only problem is there's no one in the East.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Um there's fucking nobody.

SPEAKER_07 30:46

You didn't play you played the one team in the East, and that team's best second best player is James Harden.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

I don't know. I think the Pistons are probably a better team than the than the Cavs, but it's just they only had Kate cut they only had Kate cutting him. Outside of him, they have nobody else that scores. Durant didn't do shit. He went from he went averaged 19 points a game in the regular season to averaging 10.

unknown 31:07

Dude.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

He cut his point total in half. And his rebounds was like a third. He only averaged like six rebounds in that series. He was averaging over 10 in the regular season. So like the Pistons don't have enough yet. And then you kind of go to um the Cavs. Like, sorry, no, the Knicks didn't play them. They played the Sixers and the Celtics. My bad. I was thinking about the um I was thinking about the Cavs. For Celtics, they weren't ready yet, and it felt like they just kind of broke down Jason Tatum. Just what coming off injury really tried, just what didn't have it. I think the Celtics kind of broke down at the end. Um and then the Sixers put up a put up a fight. But it's just, you know, relying on Embiid to be healthy for a whole series is kind of impossible. Maxie was fine, but he just helped that Jerry McCain. You know what's funny? They didn't have a bench at all. Being able to pull off Jerr pull Jeremy Cain off the bench to be a secondhand scorer would have been nice. Would have been nice. Yeah. That would have helped them a lot in that series. And the Knicks blew them out 4-0, and then the Cavs just they have James Harden.

SPEAKER_07 32:15

Okay, real quick. I don't know what the fuck Cavs were doing. Um I I watched them for two back-to-back games. Hey, let's leave Josh Hart open on the three-point line. I'm talking, he took like eight or nine threes. Yep. After this motherfucker bangs three in a row, go guard him. No.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

There's five, ten feet between him and the next defender, and he's just They left him over from every time, and it felt like he had decided open three, and it's like, hey, we're just gonna roll the dice, and if he's gonna miss it.

SPEAKER_07 32:42

Only problem is he didn't fucking miss game four.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 32:45

Again, I think game three. In game three, he banged out like five, six, three.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:50

Did not even I'm talking straight net. Yeah. I understand his three point percentages ain't great.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

But when he's hot, he's hot. You gotta respect it.

SPEAKER_07 33:01

And you're talking, Donovan Mitch was giving a good ass speech in there. Oh yeah. Look at these motherfuckers like that.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

He's the only person that I felt like was trying, and he was hurt. Like you could tell he was a little giddy. Donovan Mitch was the only one that really did anything in that series at all. And that game four was a one, two, three Cancun game. 130 to 93, bro. Like, what are we doing? Like that's like the Cavs, literally, their whole thing was like, hey, did we even pack to have to go back to New York? Let's just go ahead and it let's like let's just go ahead and end this now. And I'm just sitting like that whole team gave up, and I'm like, there was a clip of Donovan Mitchell like yelling at everybody on the bench, and it seemed like nobody was listening. And I'm just like, man, I feel bad for Donovan Mitchell because I'm just sitting there like, I know he's trying, I know he's a little gimpy.

SPEAKER_07 33:42

Game three? Hold on. You're talking in game three, their highest score was Evan Mobley.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

And Evan Mobley is like the most like he looks like he can be like one of those great players. And then when you actually need him, he's like, Oh, I'm gonna give you around 15 points. And he's a tall man, but not a big man. But he's not as tall as a guy like Wemby, so just like it's he just disappears in games. Stretch four. Yeah. And they have him, him, and uh in Jared Allen, and I'm like, there that's a good tandem in theory, but it's just like they both kind of were like they would just take turns like scoring around 15 to 18 points, and they're just not real big men.

SPEAKER_07 34:20

With a guy from like Jared Allen, he's pretty good defensively, he gets rebounds, yeah. Um, and he's seven, 17 points, 7 for 9. Couple free throws, uh, three for four on free throws. Like he's doing as a center, that's pretty good fucking numbers. Yeah. Jalen Durin numbers.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Uh just all the other, it's all the other um three-point shooters and stuff that they just couldn't do anything in that series whatsoever for the for the Cavs.

SPEAKER_07 34:43

No. Um that and the Cavs. And Harden. I it was over and over again. The Harden just sucks. I'm watching the Cavs, dude, I don't like he this motherfucker would just disappear. Um, but I'm watching the Knicks literally was like, hey, every time you have Donovan Mitchell and Jalen Brunson, let's get him switched on to Evan Mobley and watch Brunson shoot a three in his fucking team.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_07 35:03

Uh no help D. Their coach should be fired. That motherfucker was awful.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Why were they switching at all times? Like, why how are you gonna make Harden? Here's the thing, and this is the only thing I'll give Harden is that he at least looked like he was shying on defense. But it's very known that Harden can't play defense. So why would on all times would you they literally they were hunting Harden at all times? Why would you do switch? Why would you do the switch defense? Like, why would you switch when you should be fighting through a screen and making sure Harden doesn't have to play defense because it's not what he does wrong? That's not what he does. And I think that's the one thing I will give um um Draymond Green credit for because I don't I don't like relate Draymond Green talking about sports at all. But when he's talking about defense, like talking about the actual like how to play defense. Let him talk. He has like a whole like one-minute clip where he's talking about why would I ever want Steph Curry playing defense on the other team's best player for? Like, what's that? That's not what he's here for. And like that makes total sense. Why are you gonna try to make James Harden as much as he sucked throughout the everything else? He didn't shoot well. I think he was shooting like 20 something, like he was like shooting like 17% from three. He was trying to give get all these assists because he didn't actually want the shot himself, and then everybody else was missing. Harden was disappearing but on his own in many other ways. But on defense, he was trying, and he was shouldn't have been a guy that was ever having to play defense on the other team's best player because it's not what he's fucking there to do.

SPEAKER_07 36:23

Like, okay, I you're right. They were switching on to Harden, and they were switching. Evan Mobley can play defense, but Jalen Brunson is it is quick. Oh, yeah. He's not that's Donovan Mitchell should have never left Jalen Brunson. Um because Donovan Mitchell can play some fucking defense. Left Jalen Brunson? They would Donovan Mitchell would be guarding the Brunson. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who can't guard the faster Brunson? Donovan Mitchell would be the fastest in the world, but his arms are so fucking long. He's not a good defender either. He's so still. But again, all you have to do is make sure he opened that quick. Donovan Mitchell was a longer guard.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

He's a small, he's small, but I guess for his size he's a little longer.

SPEAKER_07 37:10

Donovan Mitchell's six foot one or six foot two.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

I don't even think he's that tall. I think he's around six one. Yeah. Donovan Mitchell ain't big, man.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

At all.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Maybe I'm crazy.

SPEAKER_07 37:21

Donovan Mitchell's six foot two.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Okay. He doesn't look big when he's playing out there. He really doesn't. Okay, fine. Yes. But J but Jalen Bronson, to everybody to his credit, is like a very elite, knows how to use his body. No, no, no. It's like he's strong. Like as small as he is, he is a strong player.

SPEAKER_07 37:40

My favorite thing was that uh dude it was OTA, so it was interviewing in uh New York after they won the game. Only people brave enough to go into the city of New York and start interviewing motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_06 37:52

Uh one dude was like, Stephen A, we see you in the city, your your ass is mine.

SPEAKER_07 38:00

Because he I remember when they traded Brunson, because they traded, they traded for a first round pick for Brunson. And Stephen A was like all against it, saying blah blah blah blah blah. These motherfuckers were on Stephen. Because Stephen A is a Knicks fan.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Oh yeah, he's like, again, uh the only Knicks fans I truly know are our stepdad, our stepdad and Stephen A. Smith. The loudest Knicks fans are like I've ever liked. There's not like a very loud Knicks fans ever looked. Yeah, but they don't talk like that. He's just at the games, he'll do everything he had to do. But you're not, you don't have to hear him talk. Stephen A is like one of the biggest like out there Knicks fans I've like you can see out there in sports media.

SPEAKER_07 38:38

No, for sure. And New York was not forward.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

No, for sure, but here's my thing. They're gonna be so loud for him right now, but is he gonna be this best player on a championship winning team? I don't think they're winning a championship this year. And this this road they're being given, the very easy road where the Cavs gave up, and like every team that they played pretty much gave up at a certain point. And they've been able to coast through this whole this whole eastern s side of the playoffs. But my problem is that when they face a real team like San Antonio or like OKC, whoever they have to face, I just don't think they're gonna be ready for that moment. I just don't think so.

SPEAKER_07 39:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

I think I do think they'd be better off against OKC because they do have bench depth in a way that's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

They do have bench depth.

unknown 39:19

I'm sorry, how far away.

SPEAKER_07 39:21

They have better bench depth than any other team besides OKC.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

Yeah, OKC has waves advantage, man.

SPEAKER_07 39:28

Right. Which is where I think they'll be better. That I think their starting fives are very good. Uh I do think OKC probably has the better combo with uh Jalen Will Williams, Chet Holmrin, and um Shay. Shea. But I don't think I don't think the Knicks are far with Brunson uh Towns and I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

I don't I don't think I trust Towns to do anything seriously, honestly.

SPEAKER_07 39:56

I don't know. I think he's okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Because you'd actually he'd actually have to play defense. Like he can't do the whole point guard thing that he's been doing throughout the whole Eastern Conference. Like they again, once they made him a point guard and kind of have him like being a distributor, he can't do that shit whoever he plays. If he's gonna have to play Wemby, he can't do that shit. And then if he has to play the bullies in with Chet, and I'm like, Chet will be a big man against anybody but Wemby.

unknown 40:19

I hate watching that shit.

SPEAKER_02 40:21

Again, he just doesn't want that fight, which I'm okay okay with fun, cool, great. And Hartenstein, Hartenstein's will be like ready to go crazy too. So I'm like, I just don't think I trust I don't think I trust the Knicks against either of these teams, to be totally honest.

SPEAKER_07 40:35

I just I think they'd be better off against OKC. I think we'll get a better better game.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

And I think they have nothing for Shea. I don't think they have anything for Shea, though.

SPEAKER_07 40:42

I don't think anybody does. How are you gonna fucking stop when you want to shoot eight free throws against it?

SPEAKER_02 40:46

No, you're you're not wrong on you're not wrong on that. You're not. I I just don't think they have anybody even like make it hard for him. Like OG, like I'm just sitting there like, uh, okay, fine. I just don't think they I don't think they have the athletes really.

SPEAKER_07 40:58

I again I'm not disagreeing with you, man. I just, you know, I think it'd be better against OKZ. I'm not saying they'll win, I think it'll just be better.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

And you know, you know what this means, right? So no matter how this all goes at the end of the finals and all that, we're gonna have to have our we're gonna have to have our stepdad on to talk about whatever happens. Whether it's gonna be the Knicks win the finals and he'll be in total like total jubilee, or they got they get shit stomped by whoever they face and he'll have to deal with that.

SPEAKER_07 41:27

Again, I don't have the same hatred that you do because you live with him. So I don't know, gang. I'm cool.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

I don't think it's just that. I just think I I see as I see the whole thing as futile because I think no matter who they play, they're gonna lose to, right? But then the excitement of I maybe it's my Pittsburgh fandom and me. Because I'm like, hey, if you make the playoffs anyway, you're just gonna go fucking lose whoever you face, so why are we happy we made the playoffs? Maybe that's maybe that's where my hatred is coming from. Because I'm like, if you really don't have the chance in the finals to actually win it, what's the fucking point of getting as happy as you are? But maybe that's just me being pessimistic and not being not being just a you know happy go lucky fan like some of those guys get to be. I don't know. Okay, so that's the that's the whole that's all of what's happening in basketball right now. Um Thunder Spurs, they have game six that's happening tomorrow, I believe. In um with the Spurs, do you think it's going seven? Think the Spurs fool it off tomorrow?

SPEAKER_07 42:23

They're back in San Antonio?

SPEAKER_02 42:25

Back in San Antonio for game six for sure. And I I think they they the Spurs play a lot better at home, so I think they probably force a game seven as well. But my only thing is that this is the one thing I will give the Knicks is they do have this advantage. The Knicks will be very rested by the time the finals start. So I I think that is one advantage that they will have, but it's just I'm not sure if that's gonna be enough to get over the hump of whatever team comes out of this absolute war the Spurs and Thunder have been throughout this series. So okay. That's it on basketball. I do want I do have one last question before we get to other topics.

LeBron Next Move Predictions

SPEAKER_02 43:02

What do you think LeBron does? Do you think he stays in the with NLA? I think he's retired. I don't think he's retired. I think he's I I think LeBron is one of those that wants a retirement tour. He wants his Derek Jeter being able to go to all the all the arenas and getting getting the applause and all that. So I don't I think retirement's off the table. So what do you think he's gonna do? Do you think he'll stay as the third um fiddle with the Lakers for another year? Or do you think he goes back to the the Cavs? Because everybody's talking about that being an opportunity for him to go back home and have the storybook ending. I think he stays in LA, if I had to guess, because I just think it's just easier. And I think when he made this move to go to LA was because he wanted a different lifestyle in the first place. And again, he was good enough, he's been good enough in his time with the Lakers where he's kept the competitive to where championships are an option for them. Um again, I just don't think he's there anymore, and I just think that as long as the money is right, I think he'll stay in LA and like keep the lifestyle and do all that and. Have his retirement tour. Not to mention Bronny is there. I think I want to keep playing around Bronny, so I just think that's probably what he's gonna do, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_07 44:09

I think Bronny's a serviceable backup.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

I think he's just again, I think he can make real I don't think he'll ever work his way to being a starter on an NBA basketball team.

SPEAKER_07 44:19

I think Bronny is an NBA player.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

But yes, he can be on a bench and like playing good minutes on NBA teams.

SPEAKER_07 44:28

Yes, I think if you give him 15 to 20 minutes a night.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

I'm not sure if he'll ever get to that point where he's playing that much basketball in a single game, but again, I just I'm not saying he should, but I'm saying he is a serviceable player. Cool. No reason to have any more conversation about that part. Um I have one college basketball

College QB Gambling Scandal Debate

SPEAKER_02 44:51

thing. Have you remember the Brennan Sorsby thing? Brennan Soresby, Texas Tech quarterback that made all those bets, and um NCAA has pretty much made him and ruled him ineligible. Okay, Brendan Soresby um played at Cincinnati and then moved, went to went and then transferred from there to play with Texas Tech. He would actually be in his first season with Texas Tech this year, right? Um Gitz found out that he's been betting on a bunch of games. He bet not only on Cincinnati while he was he wasn't playing in Cincinnati, he was the backup, but he wasn't going, he wasn't going with them on the trips to go into way games and stuff, and he felt and he said that betting felt like he was connected with the team. Okay. So in and let's be clear, in college football, you cannot make any bets at all. That's a rule. No ifs, ands, or buts about it, let alone bet off for with on the team that you're on. So it's been found out that Brendan Soresby, this has been months in the making. I'm not sure how I even haven't talked to you about this. Soresby had made thousands of bets. Baseball, he went to Breds games and he was betting on balls and strikes. This dude had a real issue, okay? Um, I'm not that bad. Um, especially when the dude is making money from being on a team and he knew that he wasn't allowed to bet, and he did it anyway. So all this has been found out. He went to 30-day rehab, and I think all this news came out about a month or two ago where it's been found out he's been in rehab, and the NCAA said, Hey, you cannot play this year. You did you broke the one rule, you're just not allowed to bet on if you're a college player, okay? So he goes to rehab and then now has been on this whole thing of trying to get back reinstated. And the most recent thing is the NCAA has like it was like an he injunction to try to make them make their decision faster because he has to, if he wants to be a part of the supplemental draft for the NFL, he has to have his papers in by late June. So in the news came out yesterday, the NCAA has brushed their decision and said, hey, he is ruled ineligible, and now Soresby's gonna try to like try to do the lawful way of getting an injunction through a through a uh what through a little not nope through the courts and all that to try to make to overrule the decision, okay. My question to you is that do you think that he should be allowed to play college football this year? Knowing all that, knowing that he he said he he said here's the thing, he said he went the 30-day rehab, and now he's saying he's good and he's like he'll be ready to and I don't think he's necessarily saying that he would um that he's not at fault. I think he's taken responsibility for it and everything. But I think the idea of him thinking that he should be allowed to play when he broke the one rule that they're not you're just not allowed to bet at all, and then he not only did that, but he bet on the team that he was on. I don't know. I I just I think in general, and I only asked this question because I thought you knew a little more about it, so I thought you'd have a little bit better of a bigger opinion on it. He shouldn't be allowed to play football, not for c not college football. Um people try to say, oh, betting is made so much easier and for the younger generation that we should have that in mind to where like if we're gonna make betting as as available, as readily readily available and as accessible as it is, then moments like this are gonna happen, so we have to be willing to I just think they shouldn't be allowed to bet on college football games.

SPEAKER_07 48:21

I'm cool if they if they bet on like he was betting on baseball. I think that's fine. Um let him bet how he wants to bet, you just can't bet on college football games. I think that's more than reasonable.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

But he did. He did bet on college football games. So like that he's he overstepped the line.

SPEAKER_07 48:38

Um don't think he should be allowed to be like how is he like a he's a senior? Yeah, let him play.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

Let him play.

SPEAKER_07 48:48

He's probably not going to get into anyway.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

No, they're saying he'd be a first-round pick. If he went to next year's draft, he'd he could be a potential first-round pick.

unknown 48:56

No way.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

No, he has like if you look up clips of Brandon Swordsby, he has legit arm. Like he can play. Like, yeah, you have to let him play. I don't think you have to. I think you broke I think you have to use him as the example to be uh if it's a hard and fast line where the NCAA has made it very clear that we do not want our student athletes betting at all, I think you have to stick with this decision because if you if you don't, it makes you like the NCAA has already been looked like a they're already kind of run over at all times because everybody thinks the NCAA is stupid and they don't have actual power over anything. But if you have if you have this one rule, I just think that you have to stick to it and use him as the example and hope that all the other players get the get the whole get the deal. Because think about it this way in the NFL, right? The Jamison Williams and like some other players where they they all got hit all at once, where they all got caught betting when they shouldn't. None of them bet on actual football games, right? But they were just betting when they were in the facility and all that. But all that happened at one time, and then nobody has been caught again because guess what? Everybody got the hint and everybody started following the rules. So I just think that you need to have the first one to kind of get their get their hands hit a little bit by the ruler and hope that everybody else kind of follows suit and doesn't have it happen at all. Because I just think that if you start having color I just think that he has so much loose already, and he knew that that was a rule where she shouldn't, he wasn't allowed to bet, and he did it anyway. So I just think that you have to have some real repercussions for that, and I just feel like it, it is what it is. He made his he made his bet now, he has to lie in it. So hopefully he can go into the supplemental draft, and some team will take him and he'll be an NFL pro next year, and he'll be able to make as many bets as he possibly wants as long as it's not NFL football, and it can't be on NFL property. So he'll be able to bet more and then not get in trouble for it. But I just think that all in all, it's a rule that he knew the knew the consequences of, and I feel like he has to take the L for it. And the thing that makes it that much crazier about this whole situation was that he was due to get like six and a half million dollars from Texas Tech to play this year.

SPEAKER_06 51:02

Damn, yeah, a lot of that boy play.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

So Texas Tech was willing to pay out the ass to get a quarterback to help them kind of take that next step and go farther in the playoff because he was actually that good at Cincinnati last year. So I think that was why he has fought so hard, fought as hard as he has, because wherever he gets picked up in the supplemental draft, he's not getting paid that much money straight out. Because I don't think anybody's gonna, because do you know how the supplemental draft works? Supplemental draft happens in July, and then if a team decides to use a let's just say a first round pick in the supplemental draft, they lose their first round pick in the next draft.

unknown 51:43

What?

SPEAKER_02 51:43

That's how the supplemental draft works. So if you use your first round pick in the supplemental draft, you lose your first round pick in the next official draft. And how it kind of is, is kind of like the um, yeah, it's how that's how the supplemental draft works.

SPEAKER_06 51:57

That's dumb.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

It is kind of, but again, it's just it gives players another opportunity if they haven't been, if they, for whatever reason, they can't play the next season to kind of get out. Because I think the last person that I thought about that was in the submetal draft was Truell Pryor when he got when he was at the whole Tattoo Gate stuff. Um didn't wasn't able to play at Ohio State his last year, so he ended up going into the supplemental draft, getting picked up by Washington, and then his nope. Nope, the Raiders. It was the Raiders first. Um and then he ended up playing for his career from there. But yeah, so the submetal draft, I'm not sure if like heck, if the Steelers are gonna not be able to be good enough to have a no, sorry, bad enough to have a good quarterback pick next year. Why not use a second or third round pick on him? Take a chance. I don't know. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_06 52:42

Let's I'm like, dude, I barely lost focus. Just you just spin that back at the Steelers, getting him up.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

Or the Cardinals. Cardinals, too. Cardinals are an option, they don't have a quarterback on their roster right now. At least the one they have they can have a long-term answer for. Um okay, let's go ahead and go on to something else.

Are Kid Leashes Ever Okay

SPEAKER_07 53:03

At like Disney World.

unknown 53:05

Fuck.

SPEAKER_07 53:06

Like a Disney World or a Disneyland. I think at an amusement park is like the one place where I'm like. How old is the kid?

SPEAKER_06 53:12

Let's say under five.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

Under five.

SPEAKER_06 53:16

At a place like that, I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_07 53:20

But like if you're at your local zoo, I think it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

If you're in a place totally foreign where you're not, you're not there, I like you like obviously if you're going on a destination trip.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

I'm cool with that.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

Yes, but if you're going to your local zoo and putting a leash on your child, like you're crazy.

SPEAKER_06 53:35

But if you're in like a like let's say we were to go down to Cincinnati and I had like a two-year-old kid, and I put a little backpack leash on him.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

I've always called up those parents bitches. Every time I see that, see that.

SPEAKER_07 53:48

Again, the video I saw was he had twins.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

Alright, that's a lot more children not to worry about. I got you. Okay, I get it.

SPEAKER_07 53:57

Right? But like if you got two kids under five.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

I'd almost feel better about just having a stroller and just keeping them in the stroller at all times if you're not.

SPEAKER_07 54:04

Yeah, you're at Disney World. That's not what this place is for. It's the most magical place on earth and probably one of the hardest places to steal a kid at. Also, probably one of the easiest places to find a kid at.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

You're not wrong. They have people everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 54:16

They probably got so many protocols for this.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Yeah, no, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 54:19

They probably also kick you out for not watching your kid. You're not wrong. Because it makes them liable for you for you to sue them. Get the fuck out. But probably not, because you're probably signed something in your ticket.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

So oh, yeah, you definitely there's so many rules that you don't even read when you get tickets like that.

Josh Jacobs Arrest And Packers Fallout

SPEAKER_02 54:35

Yeah. Um, so your favorite player, Josh Jacobs, did you have you heard about his recent issues?

SPEAKER_03 54:40

No.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

He got arrested. Good, good for being bad. Um, he apparently there's five uh several domestic violence charges. I think there's like five charges, and he was booked Tuesday um in Wisconsin. Domestic abuse, criminal damage to property, domestic abuse, disorderly conduct, um, domestic abuse, strangulation, and suffocation. Oh, bye bye.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

And intimidation of a victim. Bye-bye, Josh Jacobs.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

It's a problem. This is a definite problem.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

Bye-bye, Josh Jacobs. Is what you're just holding back.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

Yeah, I just and he's their like he is their one answer at running back for the Packers. They need to find a new one. What do you think? How do you think this impacts what the Packers can do this upcoming season? It's not like they run the football a lot.

SPEAKER_07 55:24

But now they can't run the football at all. Again, they're already kind of one-dimensional, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

Um, and again, running backs are but here's my thing, Josh Jacobs is really good out of the backfield catching the football. Okay. So he does give him a multi-faceted player. Okay. And now they probably won't have him.

SPEAKER_07 55:40

Running backs are not a dime a dozen. You can find just like you could sign two guys that does what he do, what he did for like four million dollars.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

And hope to maybe just make it up with a committee type of thing.

SPEAKER_07 55:52

Yeah, and in all honesty, that's what most people do. You just have a running back by committee. You have one guy that's like, hey, that's what he does is run, and you have another guy. Like, or if they go out and trade for like who picked up Rashad White? Oh, Rashad White?

SPEAKER_01 56:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 56:09

A guy like that, where he kind of isn't.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

Rashad White. Am I crazy though? Huh?

SPEAKER_07 56:15

Rashad White.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

Oh, from Tampa Bay? Um He is with Washington. Oh, that's sick. He'll be sick there.

SPEAKER_07 56:30

Yeah. Oh, he'll kill that. Like, there's there's plenty of guys like that. There's plenty of teams that you can be like, hey, I'll give you a fourth round pick for that your third string running back that does exactly what that does. Like it running, like, come on. Come on. No, you're not wrong. They will be fine when running the ball wasn't their thing anyway. You're right. That was their bread and butter. They want to throw the ball down. So what's it matter?

SPEAKER_02 57:02

That's what that is what they want to do.

SPEAKER_07 57:04

I really don't think it affects them all that much. I just think it makes it to where, like, hey, we don't have to.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

One less playmaker playmaker, you for sure have to.

SPEAKER_07 57:10

That effect of like they don't even have to think about having more than two linebackers now.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

You don't have a real running back threat for you to have to win.

SPEAKER_07 57:18

So now that you only have two linebackers back there in coverage.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

And you need to be able to run the football, especially later on in the season when they're going to be playing in the frozen tundra.

SPEAKER_07 57:26

You play in Lambo, it gets cold. You need somebody to run that tote that football at least 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

That's an advantage for you late in the season when you get to go out there and put some beating on somebody.

SPEAKER_07 57:35

No, that that is a perk of like Aaron Jones was one of those guys, of he was just a beefy, stout running back. He is not the most elite player in the world, but that motherfucker's 220 pounds of straight pain. And when he was playing in Lambo, because he was not a I'm gonna cut to the outside kind of back. No, he'll really meet you in this gap. Yeah, either you're calling you're bringing me down or I'm about to mow you over. And watching him play in Lambo, that's the kind of back Josh Jacobs was is not the kind of running back you need in Green Bay. You need a dude who is going to run that ball 25 times. He can be, but he's a he's hurt all the team. He's hurt all the team. Shitty ass back. Fuck Josh Jacobs.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

He's not a shitty ass back. Fuck. But he is hurt all the time. I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_07 58:18

Fuck Josh Jacobs. Fuck Josh Jacobs. I hope he gets locked up for life. I fucking hate that nigga. He's not that fucking good.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

That's probably going too far. Not that good. Again, if he did all the bad things that he's been accused of, then he probably does have to get locked up.

SPEAKER_07 58:31

But again, they need a hard-nosed running back who's going to tote the ball in fucking December. You're going to hand that ball off to him 25, 30 times, and you're going to look at him and be like, hey, run to the A-gap. Go kill that linebacker. I don't give a fuck. You get two yards. I don't give a fuck. You get you get none. I want you to murder whoever's in that A-gap. Make it hard for that team to want to keep playing in the third and fourth quarter. That's what they need a running back to do. Especially in a place like Lambo, where I know the water, the cold, that cold ass breeze coming off that water is hitting like a truck. I know it does. It hit like that in fucking Pittsburgh. And they're off a fucking lake. Pittsburgh's just off a little river.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

Alright,

Rashee Rice Trouble And Chiefs WR Mess

SPEAKER_02 59:18

that's it on that. We have a couple other um Rasheed Rice also getting in trouble here about him. He because obviously all the stuff with him racing cars and all that got in trouble. He was on probation. Yep, and one of the rules probation by smoking weed.

SPEAKER_06 59:33

Yep, I remember this.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

He failed his drug test and he had to go right away into prison. Apparently, he had to serve that 30 days of prison no matter what, anyway. But it went from him being able to choose when he gets to cho get when he has to serve that time to when he he failed the test, had to go into prison right away. And the crazy part of the story is that he had just had surgery two days before that, before he went into prison. So now he'll be trying to nurse an injury, nurse coming back off surgery in prison. Not to mention the fact that Rasheed Rice is they're probably their best receiver that they have outside of Travis Kelsey. Well, you know, he's a he's a tight end and all, but outside of like he was their one receiver that they could rely on. And now, especially after Kansas City didn't go get any wide receivers in the draft or anything, so like they really didn't try to beef up that position at all. They went pretty much all defense in the draft then in free agency, didn't really try to help out that position at all. And now Rasheed Rice is going to be nursing an injury while in prison, which is kind of crazy. Nursing a coming back off of surgery in prison, which is kind of hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:40

Can't even protect his own booty. That sucks.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:46

I just think it's another kind of long-standing thing where the Kansas City Chiefs, as much as they have Patrick Mahomes one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, and they can't have a consistent wide receiver room for him to throw to, which is kind of crazy.

Stafford Payday Derwin Deal AJ Brown Rumors

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Um Matt Stafford got paid. That happened last week. I think they he signed a one-year $55 million contract extension, um which can reach up to $60 million with playoff incentives. So good for him. He had to get that money because he had already said he was coming back, so that money had to get figured out anyway. I think do you think the Rams taking Ty Simpson was not only because they needed they wanted to have a quarterback long term, but I think they wanted to have a little bit of um negotiating power with Stafford to be able to say we do have a long, we do have an answer in our quarterback room now because we drafted a guy with a first round pick. But I don't I don't know. I don't think that really makes sense to when I'm saying it out loud because they're trying to go win a Super Bowl. And there's no way Tyson is going to take them to a Super Bowl if he had to play with them next year. So I don't know. They they gave him a big deal, 55 million. The actual money terms hasn't come out yet. But it was a deal that had to happen. He's getting paid one like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. As long as that money comes out right. Again, he did just win an MVP, so it kind of works out that way. But good for him. He got his money, and they'll be going, they'll be one of the best teams in the NFL going after a Super Bowl once again this upcoming season. Um, next one, Derwin James. This this one, this news came out today. He agreed to a three-year $75.6 million contract extension, which makes him the highest paid safety in the NFL once again. Am I crazy for thinking Derwin James is actually kind of old? He's only 29. Why do I feel like Derwin James has been playing in the NFL forever?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:41

I thought Derwin James was like 32.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I heard he got the contract extension. I'm like, why? He's so old. Especially being the highest paid safety in the NFL.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:53

I mean, uh Derwin James has always been good, so I don't mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

I don't know. Do I am I crazy for thinking that he doesn't have the same versatility he wants to? Because, like, you know, when he was in his heyday, again, he's 29, I'm acting as if he's like 30 something years old.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:07

James does is he comes downfield with the force of God.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:12

He does to murder a man legally. Legally. He has one of those safeties. He's about to hit the ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

He's dropping the hammer. He's dropping the hammer.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:21

With no flag. And they go flag you, and he they go challenge it, and they're gonna win that challenge. They have every time. He did it last year. I don't know who he came downfield on, but he came downfield on somebody and absolutely decimated him. But he went for the ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

Do you but don't you think he used to play like he used to be like the guy playing the like playing one-on-one defense a lot more and he doesn't do that as much anymore?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:47

Okay. He has never done that. Maybe I'm crazy. No, that's why I like Darwin James, because I just like seeing a motherfucker die. I come into Sundays hoping somebody dies on the field. It brings me joy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:00

Okay. Maybe I'm crazy. I thought I thought he used to play a little bit of like playing one-on-one defense like as like a kind of like a slot corner type in time at times against like your team's best safety or slot wide receiver. Never in my life have I seen Derman James do that. Okay, I'm crazy. Oh, crazy then. Again, they're paying, they're paying him like he's still effective, so why am I acting like he's not? So, um, next one. The Hurts Brown thing, there's still uh do you think because news comes out that it was like a whole little thing that says Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown are have a really still have a really good relationship, even though there's trade talks. Do you think this is like one of those things where they're just trying to keep the uh keep the pressure up on the Patriots to try to make the deal happen once June 1st comes around? I think that did I think he's getting traded. I don't think AJ Brown is going to be an Eagle this upcoming season no matter what. So I just think that they're trying to make sure that the Patriots don't come back at them saying, hey, we know you want to get rid of him and you have to because you've already pretty much said that you were going to. So now we want to get a better deal in this trade if we were to make it trade. But here's my thing. What if the e what if the um Chiefs come in and just say, hey, we'll just we'll give you a little bit more than what the Patriots are willing to give you? Because again, you're coming back with Patrick Mahomes coming off an ACL, and I feel like you need to give him more more help at the wide receiver position. Like, what if the Chiefs come in and say, hey, we're just gonna go ahead, even though AJ Brown's a very expensive wide receiver, but I think he he's still an effective wide receiver. I don't know. I I I I came up with this out of the out of nowhere, just coming up real quick.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:40

I don't know. I I don't know. I don't think uh I don't think he's an Eagle. I don't know if he's a Patriot.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

Apparently the but that deal apparently that that trade has been done for months and they're just waiting for June 1st so it doesn't cost as the Eagles as much with dead cap money. But here's the problem is that you can't do anything in writing because the deal hasn't happened yet. So if any team kind of comes up and just tries to just up the offer to try to get AJ Brown to go to their team instead, like there's no like Eagles don't have any allegiance to the Patriots. And they would honestly be doing themselves a disservice by not taking a better deal if a better deal came around. So I don't know. It's just it's weird in the whole this whole saga, the fact that they've been trying, the fact that I think there was a um one of the Patriots players were um doing an interview and they asked about AJ Brown as if AJ Brown was already on the team. And he just answered the question, like, oh, I remember playing with AJ Brown in Tennessee and he was really good and uh I think he'll be so much better now. And they he didn't necessarily say that he was gonna be a paid uh a Patriot, but it was like he said everything but and I'm sitting there like, man, everybody's acting as if the trade has already happened, it really hasn't. So there's like again when the Ravens were able to get out of the trade for Max Crosby so easily, I'm like anything is possible if that was if that managed to happen. Um next thing. Do I have anything else I have to really go to? No. I don't really have any other like big story to have to talk

Bengals Roster Talk Before Win Loss

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

about. So let's go ahead and talk about your Bengals because we haven't talked about them at all since has it really been since the draft we haven't talked about them? Or since schedule release came out. We haven't talked, we I haven't got you on the game.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:20

Most people have us ending our schedules at 12 and 5. I was gonna play the win-loss game with you. Uh yeah, most people have us at 12-5.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

Let's do it. Let's do it. Because I've already talked about my team. I will be honest with you before we play the game.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:36

In Cincinnati? Yes, I think so. And they have no receivers? How much for me to get tickets to that game? It's probably so expensive. It'll be a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:47

There's no doubt. And not to mention that game will be December 13th.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:50

Fuck it'll be cold as fuck. I'm about to go run her wallet. Um, I know that game might be sold out already.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:01

Uh I don't think those TV, I don't think the tickets are up for sale yet, hopefully. Maybe not. But yeah, we haven't talked about we haven't talked about the Bengals since the schedule release, so I wanted to give you an opportunity to come on here and play, huh?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:14

We definitely played that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

What? Win-loss. We did it off pod. I just want to Some time has passed, so maybe you changed your mind on some things. I I played the winning at all. I played the win-loss game by myself for the Steelers. Yeah, I think that's and I had a better and I had a better no, sorry, not on pod, but before the pod. And it had a three-game better outcome. I had like I was like eight and nine when I did it by myself, and then when I came on pod and did it, I was like five and so I do I did three games less. With like only a week changing. So like again, I know I'm very negative on my team, so maybe I'm I'm different than you in this situation.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:50

Yeah, when you said eight and nine when we were working on my car, I was like, you're fucking insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

The five and apparent I've huh? I said if eight, nine, five, and twelve. Yeah. So no, I'm not feeling great about my team. And before we play this game, I want to give I want to at least say I think the Bengals probably win the division.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:11

Think, my nigga. What you mean think? Well, maybe the Ravens are still out there two games to the Ravens because we're not stopping Derek. Well, actually, we might stop Derrick Henry. He may only have 150 yards.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

You have one of the best players. If you're gonna have a dude in the middle to try to stop Derek Henry from bursting up a wide open hole on the on the on the defensive line.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:32

We have the next best dude that's not named Jalen Carter.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:35

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:37

Sexy Dexie. Literally, we have the next best dude whose name isn't Jalen Carter. Yeah. You're not wrong. This is honestly the best roster I think I've seen since we went to the uh Super Bowl. Again, we don't have the elite secondary, but again, we don't need the elite secondary.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:57

I don't think your secondary, I I think you have pieces on your sec in your secondary that can work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:02

I think DJ, DJ, DJ Ivy, DJ Turner. DJ Turner. I think I have both on my team. And I think that's why I'm always so confused. DJ Turner, uh, out of Michigan, yes. Is a good DB. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:15

I'm not saying he's He's not gonna lock down nobody, but at least he's there.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:20

I think he's actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:22

I think with Jordan Battles progressing, he's progressed a lot. I think he's a good, strong safety.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

And you have a good defensive coordinator as well.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:29

We have linebackers, um Knight, uh, Darius Knight is so fucking athletic.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

Is it Demetrius Knight?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:37

It might be. I don't know. He's so athletic and he's very good. And honestly, if you would have picked him in the first round, I would have been happier than Shamar Stewart. Uh, because he is very, very fucking athletic. No, he is. I just don't think he's a linebacker. He has a six foot four frame on like a 200 on two with like 220 pounds. He's very fast. I really feel like he could put him to the line. Now he's not an RVL Reese, but he's damn fucking close. He's damn fucking close. Their builds and their stats. I was I watch follow up a lot of bangles stuff on Twitter. Yeah. And they were going over it. They're like, him and Arvo Reese are very similar. Yeah. The only difference. Arvo Reese ran like a 4-3. Yeah. He ran like a 4-5. Yeah. Now, Arvo Reese is just fast. Now, Arvo Reese is also supremely talented.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

I don't think Demetrius Knight is that talented, but I don't think they planned for him to be on the defensive line because they you guys went and drafted a defensive end in the second round.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:42

We did, but again, I was I was just really looking at him and I was like, you know what? I do see because I saw it on Twitter and I started really looking at it. I started watching how he plays. I'm like, I can see why they would throw him, why somebody would think he'd go on the vet defensive line, because he could. Yeah. He can't cover with a fucking shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:00

Yeah, but the having a guy that's a C-ball, get ball guy, he doesn't not necessarily gonna be great in pass coverage. But to have a guy that can go, he'll run with reckless abandon and just go after the football.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:10

He does. He also he gets running backs really well. And I I I do like that. He does help in run coverage. But I just I don't know. I can understand why somebody would be like, hey, we could put him on that left side and see what he can do. I just don't think I don't think that's his skill set, but I also don't think he fits a hundred percent linebacker, which is why I think he should be some some something of a combo kind of guy. Maybe on a blitz we he should be ran like that. I don't know. Um but uh yeah, we can be the game.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

The Cash is how guy for the edge from Tech AM. I think he'll be so much better than Shamar Stewart, and I think he'll be the starter at like Lily from the start of the season this year, even though his arms are short, if that's his only issue, because he was the best play, he was the best player on that Tech SM defense by far last year. He's really good outside of his short arms. Dude, so I think that's fast, and I think that's what'll help him.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:05

I just think hey, go throw him on the right side. The slower motherfucker is probably on that right side, and it also helps the sexy dexy as much as he can stop the run.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:12

He also can get after the passer, too. Yeah, that means he's gonna eat up one to two, two to three people. Yeah, by himself.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:18

Uh, because there's I wouldn't say uh the North has the best alliance. Um I think the Steelers have got you I I was talking shit last year at the start of the year, your O line was better. That was my fault.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:30

And y'all also y'all move on from Broadway Broadwick Jones. Yeah. That was my fault. I was talking shit on y'all last year. That was my fault. Y'all were better. So are the Bengals.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:40

I love Amarius Mims. I think he's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:43

I think he had an awesome, he really started to figure it out at the end of last year. And I think he'll be so good. I think he'll be very good.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:49

Leave him over there. Yeah. Leave him over there and then go fleece the fleece whatever team has a lefty quarterback for four first round picks. Uh believe him right where he's at. I will but in like two years, I want you to go to the Falcons and be like, hey, what you need for him.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:01

What you need.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:02

What you need for? I'm sorry. Somebody's gonna be like, an elite right tackle is a weird fucking thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:12

Right? Yeah. Are quarterbacks right-handed?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:15

But if we were the Dolphins, if we were the Falcons, we'd be fiending for that dick.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

So you're so right. You're so right. It doesn't change the fact he's not he's not very light of foot.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:26

But no, no, but somebody's gonna need a good right.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:29

No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:30

They're gonna need a good right tackle. Either Tua's are starter or Penix they're starting. Apparently it's Penix by a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:34

Yeah. But even Penix is still, he's still up and down, man. I don't know. I still think Penix will probably win that job, but it's just I see Penny Penix, I see as the upside. He has a ceiling. But I think Tua might have the better floor. Especially when he'll get to play inside.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:50

I I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

He'll he'll make some passes that'll be like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:53

Yeah, oh no, Penix will get like injured or something, and Tua's about to go out there and just dump one fucking bomb. You'll be like, I see why he's gonna be able to get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:59

Again, he doesn't have the strongest arm, but it's a beautiful, he's a beautiful thrower of the football, man. There's a reason why he made hundreds of millions of dollars.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:06

He took he took Jalen Hurt's job in like two games. He stole a motherfucker's job.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:11

He had one pass in the championship game of one.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:14

Yeah. It's pretty.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:17

He could throw a beautiful ball and he'll be playing inside. So like, and he won't have to deal with the the same weather issues. He'll be in the NFC South, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:24

I'm just like, he won't have to deal with nearly the Actually, I believe that division is getting better. Um I was gonna call it the easiest division in football, but I can't call him that because all those teams are so hard to beat. Would you ever go to Louisiana with me?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

For what?

SPEAKER_07 1:15:39

They had a lot of food.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:41

Well, we sent we sent our mom there and she came back just fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:43

You sent her to Louisiana? Yeah. It was me. I paid for it at that point. Was it was it did she have fun? Yeah. How much was it?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:52

Uh I only paid for her ticket. They paid for Fonzo's. I paid close to a grand. For just her ticket? Um, and hotel.

unknown 1:16:00

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:02

I I was in I was insistent that I wanted to pay for it. Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:07

We could drive there. How's that sound?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:10

It's a sounds cheaper. Not with gases as right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:13

It sounds safer for two niggas who have never been on planes and aren't fond of heights. I've been on a plane. I was just really young. Yeah, and we're not we're not fond of heights.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

You know what's crazy is that I know I'm gonna have to at some point because I just you know have to get over that bridge. I'm gonna like sensory deprivate myself and like put on headphones, thing over the eyes. I want my window closed. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Sensory deprivation, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:33

I'm gonna feel turbulent like we go like I'm gonna feel turbulent like a wee fought. Uh no, I can't, bro. I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

That's my only. I just think we're gonna have to go on a plane at some point because it's just part of human existence. And I'm like, No, no. So you're never gonna go to a different country?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:48

I get on my fucking horse front. Yeah, I'll go by I'm not going by boat. Nah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:53

Boats is worse. Boats worse. Boats worse.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:55

So, like You know what? That's a good fucking point. Boat's worst.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:58

Like, you can't go to Japan without being on a plane. Nigga, can't go to Europe without being on a plane.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:03

I'll get on a pirate ship. I can get on Japan. I'll be there in two years. I'll get on a pirate ship. I feel cool as fuck on a pirate ship. Literally, I think all words would go out of my brain.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:15

Put yourself in like put yourself in the tank in a uh shipping container and said, I'll see you.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:20

Like, if we can go play like a like a 1700 pirate ship and we start singing sea shanties, I'll be fine. I'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

So you could just play those sea shanties on your headphones when you're sensory deprivating yourself when you're on a plane.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:31

Fuck that, dude. I can't. I dude, I'm gonna hit some type of turbulence. We better go on the clearest days ever. You know what's funny to Louisiana, it's probably not even a long flight. It's probably like probably like eight hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:41

It's not that long.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:42

Okay, dude, that's the thing. It's probably a very short fucking flight. Like, we don't gotta go to sleep on the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:45

I'm about to say you can get to you can get to California in like six hours, my boy. My boy.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:49

What fucking plane are you talking about, my nigga?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:52

If you're going straight through, you can go how long.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:04

Two.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:08

I could do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:15

Two hours, man. From here to from here to New Orleans would be two hours. And to California at six, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:24

I like road trips. I like road trips.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:27

California would be four to four and a half. Yeah. So we yeah, it's not that long of a flight. You said eight hours. What are we talking about? We'd be going across the ocean if it was an eight-hour flight.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:41

Bro, it's only 13 hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:43

To go where?

SPEAKER_07 1:18:44

To drive New Orleans.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

That's not bad. Not a bad drive.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:47

And with how I drive, I can knock that bitch out less. Like nine? We'd rent a car. Oh, we're not, you're not taking a piss. We're still going. No, we'd rent a car, of course. Alright, let's get let's play this. Absolutely, we would rent a car. I want you to know. We'd totally rent a car.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:03

And it's going to be something cool as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:06

I don't think we need to be cool as fuck, because we just need to get to where we need to go and not pay that much in gas. That's where that's the kind of the goal.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:13

We're going to New Orleans. We're paying $1,000 for a tank of gas. Regardless, gang. You know what's funny? That'd be fun. We should go to New Orleans. It gets muggy down there. What kind of car would you take? Sorry. We can continue pod.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:29

Alright, win-loss

Bengals Win Loss Game And Expectations

SPEAKER_02 1:19:30

game. Let's get to it with the Bengals here. I want to give you your opportunity to have this moment to talk about your Bengals. And like I said already, I still I do think the Bengals are the favorite to probably win the division. I think I do think your defense is probably better than it's the best it's been in years, with sexy dexy as the as the big addition, and you've been adding other things to that defense. I think it's all in Joe Burrow, and if you guys can kind of, I think you guys again kind of get screwed over with the start of the season to where you have some really tough games to start, and that's always been your team's issue when it comes to just not starting fast, and the next thing you know you're in a hole that you have to dig yourself out of by winning a bunch of games just to get into the playoffs. Because let's be honest, if the Bengals get into the playoffs, I think they'll make a lot of noise. I think we both know that. But let's get to it. So Buccaneers, game one. This is at home, by the way. So this is in Cincinnati. Again, Buccaneers are coming to town. What you think? Game one of the game one of the season. Man, you're getting lost in the plant. You're getting lost in going to New Orleans now, huh?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:35

I don't know. I want to take a trip this summer, but I don't I can't fly. I can't fly. Like, I can't do it. This guy. Dude, I can't. I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

He's all enveloped now. He's getting out of the Who cares about the Bengals now? There's a potential trip on the other way.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:57

Because we got a little nigga who's making money now. So now we no longer splitting this cost three ways. So a thousand dollars becomes very becomes two fifty real quick. Yeah. Um, I don't want to take something lame. For a standard SUV. Yeah, not cheap. I'm not taking it on standard.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. Buccaneers, game one. What you who you got the Bengals winning? Losing.

unknown 1:21:31

Winning.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

Winning, for sure. No questions asked. Buccaneers coming out healthy, game one. You don't think mech will get a couple touchdowns on your head? A mech eggbuca. That boy. Don't act like you don't exist. You know, you know that guy. No.

unknown 1:21:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:50

Buccaneers, game one. You have them winning. Um, you have the Bengals winning, sorry. Um, game two gets at the Texans. For the record, I would have you losing that game. I think the Texans would run roughshot against Joe Burrow. And um, I think that's the issue. Because if they didn't have the pass rush they did, I think Joe Burrow could handle a difficult secondary. But the problem is the Texans have a great secondary and they have one of the best defensive ends in football, and their front seven is absolutely monstrous. So I just think that's a that's a whole problem. What in the secondary?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:34

Oh, never mind. We just have to go to a different place with a probably a shittier, I think. But yeah. Sorry. Um electric car.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:48

You say that now, and then you're gonna think about that. It's like, oh, we're gonna get caught dead in an electric car.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:52

I'll be honest with you. If we were to like me, you, Braylon, and Malaya take a road trip, I'm gonna do all the driving. Like, I can't. I can't. I get anxious when anybody drives me anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:02

So like I think Texans week two is a loss.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:08

Fuck what on a mystery car? Oh, yeah, no, it's a loss. Have you seen that front seven?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:13

Front seven's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:14

I'll be honest, I would tell Joe Burrow, hey, if any if you feel like somebody's getting in the backfield, just drop.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

Yeah, no, for sure. I again that's that that front seven is absolutely insane. And the back, the um back five, that they're insane too. That defense is absolutely insane for the Texans. And not to mention, I think CJ Stroud probably has a hard start to this year. I think he'll come back with a vengeance after hearing how many other how many people want to talk shit about him because he's had a couple bad games at the end of last season. So I think Texans win, especially it's in Houston, so that's already a pretty raucous environment as well. So I would give the Texans the win there as well. Um, game three at the Steelers.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:55

That's probably a win. For who?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:59

Bengals at Pittsburgh? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:03

Um you had yourself splitting with everyone in the fucking north.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:09

No, I had us losing twice to the Ravens.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:14

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:16

Um, so boom, um, boom, and boom. Um, so at Steelers game three, okay, fine, cool. I can accept it. Again, even here's the here's the problem though, is that the later the Steelers get in this season, I think they'll be worse. So the fact that the UF you guys have to face the Steelers in week three, the defense will be relatively healthy. Aaron Rodgers will still be relatively healthy, and that offense will be. Um, I'm not saying the offense will be amazing for the Steelers this year, but I do think it'll be a lot better because we'll have more than just one wide receiver for a defense to have to worry about now. So I think the Steelers actually can win that game, but I this is your win-loss game, so I'll I'll go ahead and go with that. Jags, week four. That's a win. Okay. I I understand that for sure. I don't rely, I don't trust Trevor Lawrence at all. Um, week five at the Dolphins.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:11

That's a win.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:12

Yeah, they're they kind of sold on this season. They want to get the bet they want to get the best pick possible and get a quarterback. Um week, let's see, week six, at the Ravens.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:26

That's that's a loss. At Ravens.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:28

Actually, no, you this is week seven because you guys have a week six bye. I know. Y'all get fucked with the bye this year.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:32

Yeah, week six bye, just me fucking going to the playoffs. Yeah, lovely. Fucking love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:37

So at Dolphins, it's a win.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:38

Yeah. At Ravens a loss. At Ravens a loss.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:42

So you're five and two so far through seven games. Um Titans. That's a win. Okay. I don't have any objection to that. Falcons. It's a win. Okay. Um, Steelers again.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:56

That's a win.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:57

Okay. It's your win-loss game. Okay, fine. Um, at Commanders. This will be an offensive showdown, I think.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:05

I know, and that's the problem is I As long as Jaden is healthy. Which I agree. They have Sonny styles. Okay. And now they have Sonny. And now he can anchor a defense, but there's nothing to anchor. He's anchoring a sinking ship. That's the problem. In a way that we have a more of a defense than they do, which is why I want to give us the win. How many wins do we have so far?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:28

You have them at seven and two through nine weeks.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:31

I'll take this one. That's a win.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:33

Okay. Sorry. No, you're good. Um command uh Saints. That's a win. Okay. Um at Browns. That's a win. So you have yourself 10 and 2 through 12 weeks so far. Yeah. Okay. Um Chiefs. That's a win.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:54

What do we have? You're you have yourself at 11 and 2 so far. Um at Panthers. That's a win. Okay. Um at Colts.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:07

That's a win.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:09

Okay. Do you notice, do you see something say anything wrong here? No. Okay, Ravens again.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:16

Uh at home?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:18

Um, no, Ravens are coming. Yeah, Ravens coming to you. It's a win. Late in December.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:25

In Baycore? Yeah, it's a win.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:27

Okay. Um, and then Browns, last game of the season. Win. They're not playing for a playoff spot. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:33

No, it's probably a loss since we bent everybody in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:36

Okay, so 15 and 2. Actually, no. So you're you're putting three fourteen and three is where you're at. So if you okay, so you just played this game and you did it game by game.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:48

You know, it's funny. We won uh two more games than what I had done last time.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:53

Do you actually can you can close your eyes for a second? Can you actually see yourself at fourteen and three and No, at the regular season, 14 and 3. Like that's that's where you see yourself for you. Seriously. Um I don't think your team's that foolproof. 14 and 3.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:13

I could see us at uh 13 and 4.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:17

My better question is what's your floor? 10. What do you think 10 games is your floor? Like you will not lose more than 10 games.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:27

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:29

No, sorry, you won't win. You won't win all the time. You won't win less than 10 games. Yeah, 10. That's your that's your absolute floor.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:38

At minimum, we should be making the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:42

At minimum. I think 12-5 is realistic. Because I do believe we could truly we could drop that game to Washington. Okay. But that's the game I believe we can win. We'll probably drop a game to the Steelers, but we shouldn't. I agree with you. Now, based on what is on paper, which is all I can go off of what on paper, we have a better defense than Washington does. We have better receivers than Washington does.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

Oh yeah. We should win this. I still worry about what you're gonna do with Scary Terry, but yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:17

Receivers. Yeah. It is a not just one guy. We have multiple receivers.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:22

We have Chris McCaffrey's brother, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:24

We have multiple receivers that can do the job, which is what I'm saying of barring injury and what's on paper, we sh we are more than good enough to win 14 games.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:33

But realistically, I realistically I see a 12-5 season barring injury.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:38

Okay. Are you worried about the start of your schedule at all? Kind of having a slow start again? Because again, that's been your that has been your problem.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:49

Um it wasn't a slow start. He was just inconsistent.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

He you guys are winning games, but he wasn't playing well.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:56

Yeah, we were winning, but he wasn't playing great. We still ended up with a two and three record through five games. So it was the same shit would have been whether he was playing or not. Right. So like it was I I realistically I see a 12-win season of we could drop a game to Washington, we could drop a game to Pittsburgh, we could drop we could drop two to multiple. Um fuck we could drop a game to the Browns, but I don't see that. Right. So but like I it's realistically say 12-5. On paper, I we could win four we can go 14-3.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:30

On paper, we can go 14-3. The only team I am a hundred percent sure we are not fucking beating is the Texans.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:37

Yeah, it's just too early in the season.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:39

That's the only team, guaranteed fucking teed. We have Unless unless CJ really has like unless Dexter Lawrence gets out there and pressures the fuck out of CJ Stroud.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:49

And CJ turns to a pumpkin for for good.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:52

Yeah, like dude, then.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:54

If what CJ Stroud was in the last couple games is what he is now, then fine. I think you guys can probably win. I don't I don't think that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:02

Like if the new edge we got in Dexter Lawrence can just fucking murder CJ Stroud for four straight quarters and us score at least three touchdowns, that's all we would need if CJ Stroud's not playing one.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:12

Yeah, but the problem is you gotta score three touchdowns. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:14

That's the thing. All they have to do is score two.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:17

Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:18

So it's like I I I am not that is the one game I'm confident we're gonna lose. I love my team. Yeah. That front that's that defense. Their secondary is not elite. They don't gotta be. You gotta hold off whenever that ball comes out. Yeah. And it's not often. Yeah, you're not. You're talking, I think the most I saw I've seen a team throw on them was like 25 times.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:42

You don't have time, dude. It's just that Will Anderson is an absolute monster.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:46

And that defense is so cool. Like, I just I can't see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:51

I don't either. Yeah, you're not wrong. I again, I've I've again, me being a CJ Stroud fan, I want to see the Texans play well. Like I got nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:58

Yeah. I don't see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:01

I think the week six bye screws you over a bit because that's so early in the season. I think the Bengals the Steelers did well because they got a week nine by, so I'm like, that's closer to the middle of the season where it's kind of works out better that way. Week six bye kind of sucks. I still I think around 10 wins being your floor, I think actually I kind of agree with.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:19

I think ten wins should be the floor, and I think twelve should be the real the realistic goal. I think this team, I think it's not a very hard schedule.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:27

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:28

Uh I do believe there's some hard teams on here.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:30

Perks of having one of the worst records last year. So you don't necessarily get the hardest schedule.

unknown 1:32:36

I believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:36

And getting the NFC South as like the NFC four opponents you get is actually quite helpful.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:42

I believe we should have at least 12 wins. I do believe there's gonna be teams that are hard out, like the Saints and like the Panthers. They're not gonna roll over and die anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:51

But I don't believe those are two teams we should lose to. I believe our we are far more talented than those two teams. Okay. I don't believe there's anybody defensively on those teams that can pressure Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:02

Okay. So since you've since you've pretty much made it clear you think that this is might this might be do you think this year for you, if you don't make it far in the play, like what is this season was a failure for you?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:17

Fuck, I guess any season without a Super Bowl is a failure with Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:21

No, no, I'm talking about I'm talking about like there is no moral victory. Like this this shit was awful. Like you think Super Bowl or bust? Like that's do you think that's where you're at? Or if you're looking like, hey, we make to an AFC championship game, I'll feel fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:34

Injured Joe Burrow is I feel like every year we don't get far to the Super Bowl is a failure, especially when the AFC is probably the weakest it's been in years. It five four years ago, the AFC guaranteed whoever was going to the Super Bowl was going to win it. Now I I'm worried about who we have to face from the NFC.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:54

Yeah. NFC's gotten pretty strong over the years, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:58

Especially when the NFC a lot of the NFC teams are defensive teams. And the Chiefs were at the weakest. The Bills still don't have a fucking receiver worth a fuck on the room.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:09

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:10

Who?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:11

Um why am I forgetting his name now? They just trade, they trade, yeah, they traded for him.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:17

Get the fuck out of my face.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:19

You're gonna disagree with DJ Moore? Fine. Yes, okay. That that I'll give you.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:27

Motherfuck, a professional playoff choker back there? Get the fuck out of my face.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:34

I no, sorry. Nope, I can't say anything. He choked that last he had a really bad throw. Choking on it. I don't think he shouldn't have had to make a throw at all, because they're if their defense did what did their job, but you know, it's fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:52

Don't say nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:54

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna stay away from that. Okay, so alright.

AFC Power Rankings And Chiefs Debate

SPEAKER_02 1:34:59

So where do you think you're at in the AFC? Like if you had to rank top five AFC teams, where do you think the Bengals fit in that scenario?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:07

Let me ask you what would be your top five AFC teams.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:10

I think yeah, it'll be be more a little more impartial. Top five AFC teams. I think top five AFC. I would probably go with the Texans one. I would go with the Bills. I think I might have Denver higher, but I don't I don't like I don't like Bo next. I'm not sure. Like his leg looks like in if you've seen that picture. Oh my god. So depending on Bo, I would probably put them higher, but uh if we had to do it in like a ranking, right? I'd probably put the Bills next.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:48

If is this an order? Because if you're gonna ask me.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:53

I'm gonna go with my order first, and I'll let you let you go. Texans, I'd go the Bills, I'd go I don't like the Chiefs, they lost so much, and Mahomes coming off an injury. I'd probably go Bengals then, three. And then I'd probably go with do you think last year was an admiration for the Jags? Like, do you think that was like a one-year type of thing? Because they they did like during the regular season, they played they played awesome. I just don't and they didn't even have Travis Hunter. So I'm like, I'm not saying Travis Hunter's gonna be an amazing player, but like they lost their first round pick that was gonna help them defensively. So I'd probably go Bengals three, and then four, I'd probably go Ravens, and then five, I'd probably go with I don't want to go. I'll go Broncos. I feel like I'm missing somebody. AFC South. Nobody else from the South. I really want to go with AFC North. No Patriots, dude. I think the Patriots are gonna struggle to make the playoffs this year.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:06

Uh that's my that's my hot take. I think they're gonna struggle to make the playoffs.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:10

The Texans are probably the best team barring CJ Stroud. It isn't CM Ghost.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:14

If he just gets back to being normal, I think they'll be the best team by far in the AFC.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:20

I think it's the Bengals or the Africa.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:22

Is he East? No. I think the Bengals are two. I think Bengals are two.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:26

I think the Bengals probably have the best offense in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:30

Best offense in the NFL?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:32

I think we have the best offense in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:33

Holy shit. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Best offense? You don't think you'd go with the R I I think I might prefer the Rams. Because of help. Like I think they have an actual running game. I think I believe in their play color. Am I crazy?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:52

Can everybody stop taking Chase Brown for granted? He had a thousand rushing yards and like 400 receiving yards. Can everybody stop taking him for granted?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:58

No, I'm thinking more I'm thinking more about the like the design of the offense. McVay can run the football down any throw if he needs to. He can he has Matthew Stafford at the helm to throw the football anywhere he wants. They have Puka, they got Devante, they have like a cascade of tight ends. They have like five of those dudes. They all look the same. They're all white.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:21

Look, whatever you say. I think it's the Texans, I think it's the Bengals. Um Bills.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:36

Bonex's health. Notwithstanding, bar barring Bonex's health.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:42

Broncos, Bills, Ravens.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:45

Okay. Do you where do you think the Chiefs another question, Chiefs? Do you think they get back to being a part of the conversation? Or do you think this is another down year for them? Mahomes coming off the injury. You think they're worse than the Chargers?

SPEAKER_07 1:39:00

I think the Chargers have a team. I think the Chargers were a playoff team. I mean the Chargers have weapons. They do. No, for sure. And they again they need both their.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:18

Yeah, for sure. No, they but they do have Kenneth Walker now. They have those so they'll have a running game again, which they haven't had in years.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:27

And Kenneth Walker's very good, but I think Kenneth Walker even.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:34

He's still up and down. No, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:37

I love Kenneth Walker, but he was very injured this past season. He wasn't great the season before, which why a guy like fucking Zach Charbonnet was taking his.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:44

Oh, Charbonnet is sick, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:45

He is. And I'm not lying. Kenny Kenny Walker's very good. He's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:51

Yeah, you're not wrong. Yeah. So he's he has a lot of tread on the tires and he hasn't been always healthy. Yes. And again, the Chiefs have always been a team that wants to do a running back by committee, but now they have a real bell cow. They have a back. They have a real dude. Like, let's be honest, as much as uh why am I forgetting his name? The dude that runs all crazy. Isaiah Pacheco. Pacheco. As much as he is like a he runs like a dog. He's a bullnosed back. But he's not a talented back deal.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:15

Hey, it's third and three. He's no threat to catch football off the backfield. That's the kind of back he is. Yeah. He's a third down back of he is a bowling ball. But it's all effort, dude. It's not a lot of talent there. That's fine. That is a good guy to keep in your room. It's a great number two. He's a cheap guy to have. Yeah. And he is a fire number two next to a faster back.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:37

Kenny Walker ain't that.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:40

He's a faster back. He doesn't he do he's not like Saquon, but he has getaway speed.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:45

Look at me. I've watched Kenny Walker play a lot. No, he's not. Um, but I just don't think they're there. Okay. I think they're worse than a team like the Colts, but I think they're better than a team like I think if Daniel Jones can stay healthy, I think the Colts can really amazing. The Tsar are worse than the Colts. I think they're one of the worst teams in the AFC.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:04

I don't think I want to go worse because it's just.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:07

I think they're better than the Steelers. I think they're better than the Titans. I think they're better than the Browns. That still makes them bottom bottom. The only problem is I think they're- My bad. They're better than the Raiders. That's still bottom six.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:15

The AFC West is so difficult.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:18

I got it, but they're still probably bottom six in the AFC.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:22

Ooh, that might be a little heavy. It's a little heavy for me.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:25

They're better than the Titans, Browns, Steelers, Jets, Raiders. And then it's probably them or the Dolphins.

unknown 1:41:35

Dang.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:36

Now that you're looking at it, you're kind of like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:38

No, I don't think I'm there, because I they're so we're going through it. They're better than the Dolphins. I think they're gonna be better than the Patriots this year. I I I think the Patriots are gonna suck this year, I really do. Um better than the Jets. Most of their defense they've replaced with new guys, and they're not dudes.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:57

Again, that is not a fucking random of a coach that's Mike fucking Vrabel. Yeah, there's made the Titans look like a playoff team.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:05

That's been dealing with all the stuff with his his home life this whole offseason. So do you think he's gonna be all football all the time? I think there's gonna be a little bit of a drop-off there.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:13

You meant Mike fucking Vrabel, I think fucking so that shit didn't I think one, that shit don't exist no more. Okay, I guarantee you.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:23

But I think, and here's the thing, they had the easiest schedule in the NFL last year. And now they're gonna go to being one of the hardest schedules in the NFL this year. And do you think Drake May is gonna be Josh Allen all of a sudden for the rest of his career? And it also is not it goes without saying that as soon as the Patriots start playing really good defense in the playoffs, Drake May fell off a fucking cliff when it came to his play. So now they're gonna be playing really good defense for most of the like you they're gonna be playing a lot better teams. I think the Patriots are gonna struggle and make the play. That's like my hot take of the whole NFL this year. I think they're gonna struggle and make the playoffs. Let alone win their division. With the Bills kind of coming back, I think the Bills are gonna be better. So, no, you're not I don't think the Chiefs being top bottom six in the NFL is kind of cra bottom six in the AFC is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:09

One more team that I didn't add that still makes them bottom seven.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:11

So that's three for me so far that I have written down. They're better than the Browns, they're gonna be better than the Steelers, they're gonna be better than the Titans, they're gonna be better than the Raiders. That's seven. And then they're gonna be they're gonna be battling it out with the Jags and the the Jags and the Chargers and the Jags have things that they don't, and so do the Chargers.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:35

No, you're not okay, fine. And I'm honest with you. And all of them have quarterbacks that aren't cops. You're being generous with some of those teams.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:42

Maybe. Maybe it's just what they've built over these past few years, even with Mahomes coming off the ACL injury. Maybe I'm just trying to get I'm gonna be the guy to give them all the credit in the world until they prove that they don't deserve it, and then I'll be the first person to jump off the ship. But it's just the idea of the Chiefs coming into this year and just sucking for the whole season is kind of crazy to me. Because I'm like, they're just they've just built up themselves up for these years to be always be competitive. And Mahomes are already practicing, even coming off the injury. He's out there practicing. He does have a whole like knee brace and everything on his leg, but he's out there practicing already. So I'm like, I think he's very dead set on starting week one. And I'm again, will he be able to be the guy? Like, I think he led them rushing last year. So I don't think Mahomes can ever do that again. But guess what? They have Kenneth Walker to help alleviate that to where they don't need him to be like the all all or nothing playmaker that he has been throughout his career so far. But again, doesn't change the fact they don't have a wide receiver that he can rely upon um with Rasheed Rice doing the crazy shit he's been doing. So okay, fine. Maybe maybe I'm being a little bit too maybe giving them a little bit too much credit, but you know, it is what it is on that. So you think this is the Bengals season? Like this is this is it for you. This is the time where they should get to the promised land.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:55

Hey man, uh, you know what? If you can't believe in your team, who can? Um honestly that's great. Uh, you know what's crazy? I thought you were gonna be a lot more boisterous about it and like not in just like be all about just Joe Burrow and nothing, but I do think you came with a lot of good information, and I think you have some really good takes about where your Bengals are gonna be this season. And again, it's not like I'm I'm that far off. I thought they're gonna win the division anyway. I think the Ravens are probably gonna take a tad bit of a step back because they're I think their defense is gonna take a little bit of a hit, and I think that even though I do have a new defensive head coach, so I do think the and not to mention Lamar still ain't signed a new deal, so like he's still that's still kind of in limbo a little bit as to if they're gonna get him a new deal to make sure he's happy coming into the season to be a to be a Raven. So I think this could be the Bengals year, man, and especially the only problem is that the whatever comes out of the NFC will be a problem because I think the NFC has just gotten so top-heavy over the years that no matter who comes out of that, I think they're gonna be battle-tested and ready to go, and you know it'll be very hard for Super Bowl Winner to not be an NFC NFC team, so who knows? But I do like um, I do like I'm totally in on your Bengals, your Bengals takes. Um even though we're enemies, obviously, me being a Steelers fan, so I can respect your Bengals takes as of right now. Okay, I don't think I really have anything else I want to talk about today. It's again, this is kind of the off-season and kind of like the dead set and um the camps haven't started yet and all that. So I don't want to get all the way into make making like our I think starting next week or the week after, I want to start doing like the um making our predictions for the season, win-loss-wise, and everything, um, and then winning divisions and stuff. So I want to give start that here soon. And then uh we'll just be taking news as we go and like keep talking about stuff. So that is about all that

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SPEAKER_02 1:46:43

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