Episode 007: Be Aligned & Embodied this Holiday with Theresa Pearce

Talking about embodiment and coming home to ourselves for the holidays with Theresa Pearce at www.bealigned.com.  Tabitha and Theresa talk about how they met and practical ways to get embodied with a mindful embodiment coach during this holiday season and beyond when self healing! 

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welcome Teresa. Thanks, Tabitha. I really happy to be here. So happy to have you here. I feel like we really, really, all of us need this. Yeah, it's better time. It has been a time. It's definitely been a time. So I invited you on because while I've been wanting to have you on for a while, and we've been talking about this and it finally is happening the day after Thanksgiving. Yes. It's auspicious or lesson bless the time of Thanksgiving. Yeah. Yeah. I think I hope we all feel that way about it on some level. Yeah. Sometimes you have to dig for gratitude. Like I have a warm cup of tea in my hands right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Simple. We do. We do, we do have to dig my boyfriend yesterday. He's like, let's think of things we're grateful for in the middle of just working through stuff and it was good. Yeah, it was. It's always good. Yeah. Yeah. What are you grateful for this year? One thing. Oh, just one. Okay. I'm grateful that I'm able to see the possibilities and a larger context around what is happening now, because that keeps me grounded. Hmm. I love that. That's good. And you came up with just one. That's amazing. Oh yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I feel like if, if you've got, yeah, I'm feeling that way too. I feel heavy, but I also feel like it's also, hasn't been, you know, Being able to keep perspective, I think. Yeah. Right. And I'm sure people living through plugs and things to different eons have felt the same. And there's another side. It's always, there's the, so yeah. I love that deep breath breath. we met. I'm trying to remember when we met a year, at least maybe two, maybe two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. my doctor sent me to you actually. I have no idea how that happened. But I was going to have Rolfing done and I did, and that was a bit of a journey of itself, but that's how we met and I just found you to be amazing. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I, it was, you have such an overall, like healing presence, I would say. I think that's just, you know, that's how I would put it. you work the entire system. I think you take the whole person into account, which is what you do. You're an embodiment coach. Yeah. So tell us some more about that. Well, I am an embodiment coach and what's called the somatic education educator or coach. And it really does take in the whole being. For all of us, I've found I've been at this over 30 years and I've, I've really found that you can't take anything apart in parts and not connect it to the whole it's. that's an old paradigm. You know, the paradigm we're working in now is that we, everything within us, without us is connected. It's a quantum physics kind of perspective. And, we can't avoid it. So. When someone comes in, I don't know what they're bringing in. I just know that it's again, about the context that one holds for the experience. It has to be larger than we're going to work on this body part. Never would. It is right? Yeah. Yeah. It's true. It's never what it is. So tell me. 30 years ago when you were getting into this why did you get into it? That's a great story. I, as far as Rolfing goes, we can start there. I had been doing, some bodywork, some holistic massage therapy before that, but Rolfing really was my colleague and Rolfing came knocking on my door. I had a man, Jerry van DeVelder who came knocking on my door, looking for an apartment I have for rent. And he was a golfer. So my new career came knocking on my door and. And let them in then, and it started a whole process. Once I knew what the work was and had experienced the work and my son had experienced the work I knew, and every fiber of my own being this, that, that was what I had been looking for and nothing was going to stop me and taking that training, which wasn't easy for me at that time. But I did it and never looked back. Wow. So interesting. No, 83, I think when he showed up at my door. Oh, wow. That's so cool. I could see how it would do that. Definitely just going through it myself. And I know there was a time when I was like looking up training. I was like, Oh, this would never too late. Never too late. And I'm not going to say never, maybe someday. That's right. Yeah. But I can see how that would be your experience of it. Definitely. Yeah, for me, it started off a way of. Changing how I looked at working with people. I had been a little bit frustrated that people kept coming back with the same old, same old, same old and dressing, the same old, same old, same old. And I knew there had to be something more transformative for both of us so that we weren't caught in our relationship. The same way, doing the same thing over and over. So when I experienced Rolfing and it wasn't a transformative process changed and I didn't need the same kinds of therapies myself or the same kind of interventions place, help that I needed before. And that's what I wanted for other people. It's a terrible business model because. So true. I'm very free and for both of us, cause it's great. It's an empowering thing. You know, you know that one of the things I say to Pete, we'll add Tom, the completion of our 10 session series is go forth and integrate. It's like now all that you've learned your education and your experience. It's up to you now to take that and integrate it into your life and then see what happens. Yeah. I love that. I think, I think I had been trying to kind of find, I don't know, I didn't know what I was looking for, but I know after walking away from working with you, I definitely had the ability to be a lot more aware and present and. In my everyday life. And it just really kind of changed the way I just approached everything and it was approaching things. It wasn't just kind of like reacting to everything. It was more like, Oh yeah. So yeah, it just, it definitely opened up much more awareness and the ability to do that in the moment. Yeah. And that really is the embodiment process. When I think about, embodiment, as we talked about a little theme of coming home for the holidays, the holidays and the body that really for me is coming home. It's this, this is home and you're coming all the way into experience through everything. And. At least this lifetime and, and feel what that feels like and face what kind of responses you have, but with a sense of grounding and being safer, in your own experience, that's maybe different than it was before. Okay. Yeah, definitely. I was trying to think of ways to talk about this with listeners, just to like, if anyone doesn't really quite understand the con. Cause I think it's very easy to not understand the concept of coming home. We think what's that we're like we live in our bodies every day. Well, we think we do you think, and that's the thinking. That is the thing we think we do. I had an interesting experience the other day I was looking at. Photographs of, a relative. And it just reminded me of being back in a time in my life when I was a very disembodied, but I wouldn't have known it at the time. And I noticed a feeling of leaving my own body in that moment, because it was just such a different feeling from what I normally have now. And I, I just really kind of sat in that and I was like, Oh, this is, this is exactly how I was living for decades. Like just not at all in my body. Not. Yeah. So I don't know how to explain. Do you have any like, experiences like that or? Yeah. And it is experiential, so putting it into words, he just did it in a nice way. You know, if we're going to look at just the Rolfing part, and actually that's not. Just what I do, but just the fact of, feeling things in your body and having someone work with you in a way that, is not inducing trauma, but allowing you to experience places where maybe you blocked some feeling. but in a way that's very invitational for you to occupy that again, too. Look at that from a different perspective, to have a little bit of skill, education around that to make you feel, like your container can hold it in your spirit and your psychology and your body. Describing specifically what that's like, because different for every person, minute, it's a hands-on experience. Something happens and the connection between the person and myself and whatever other healing energies are present in the moment, that works synergistically. And I always hold the intention for the highest good with everyone that comes in to my space. I don't know what that's going to be, and I don't try to figure it out because that's not for me to figure out that's for you to have the experience of the client, to have the experience of what that evolves into for themselves. So there's freedom around that for both of us, cause it's not imposing onto you. or onto me, you know, for, for a healer to have to feel like they have to fix something. It's a trap and. No, it's a trap for both individuals because it's a dead end. But if we're looking at as a transformative and evolutionary possibility for anybody in any given moment that it's wide open, we don't know. But we know it's for the highest. Good. Yeah. I love that. Cause it's it's. That is how it is. It's how it works too. Like it's the only way it really works. I'm trying to think what would be some ways people might be able to understand or recognize that they might be living in a disembodied state? Yeah. There's many symptoms of that. one of them is, that you just bump into things all the time. You might trip, you might forget where you're at, you know, find yourself in a place, all of a sudden that you didn't know why you were heading there, but you've arrived. All of those things can be a sign that you're operating from a default pattern. That's not very present. One of my favorite things to talk about is feet. Yes. Eat and getting our feet, connected to the earth or the ground or whatever they're out at the moment. It's a way to get grounded and to feel the beginning of that embodiment. And it's also one of the first, let's say stops your feet to, to, begin your journey. if you can't feel your feet, you're not in your body, you know, and that's even for people who don't have feet, there's an energetic connection that comes through. So, it's important. So we could, we could even try a little something. So I like to do things that people can do anywhere. Not like they have to sit somewhere and do a particular exercise. Say you're in a meeting and all of a sudden something gets triggered or who knows what happens. And you're feeling like you've left. You have left the room, find your feet on the floor and start wiggling your toes. So you could try that right now. Everybody looks, listen. It feels like, yeah, you can even wiggle them in your shoes. If you have shoes on. but just start wiggling them and touching them to the surface. If you can, and feeling the energy that starts to happen when you put some attention in your feet and you can do that anywhere at any time. And all of a sudden just bringing your attention there. Gets you in your body a little more. It gets you out of your head out of that floaty. Headspace. I love that. I am doing it right now. Yeah. That's squiggly the toes, you know, in a place where you can massage your feet. That's great. If you're out somewhere and you can stomp your feet, that's also a great way to get in your feet. You know, you don't have to be angry to stop. You can just stop. I agree. I mean, that might be something that's happening, but you can stop your feet. can March you can, do a little jig dance, but anything to get your energy into your feet, down through your legs, feel your connection to the earth that is grounding. Yeah. I can attest to it. Like I've come back to that advice that you gave. Time and time again, like even just the other day, I was like feeling that. So I, I was feeling what I was feeling the other day when I, when I explained what I was looking at those pictures and I just did, I was like, I was working on stuff. So I just, I just started massaging my feet and just like, okay, like, come like it's okay. Come back. And that's a great self-care thing. Massaging the feet. Yeah. Yeah, it was really helpful. I, that has been, I think that's the thing that has stuck with me the most is getting the, getting grounded piece and it's like the quickest way to kind of, yeah. And the other, the other, piece of grounding can be your pelvis if you're sitting on something. And sometimes if you just exhale, you find yourself just coming down. Hmm into your body, into your Calvis and those two little knobby bones. Yeah, but some of those, they're not as NABI, but you can find them in there and they can be on your chair. That is grounding ground for your pelvic floor. You can ground for your pelvis and then down into your legs and feet. And there's a lot of imagery. People give about chords and colors and you can play with all that. But I find that works. Better when you're in your own space. you know, if you're just out and about in the world, you've got to have simple things to do. Yeah. It's very practical. Yeah. Very practical. Yeah. Very much so. Which I love let's make it simple. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get in there. You didn't those feet. Yeah. What do you find is the most, Well, I mean, a lot of things are probably beneficial, but what's like the most beneficial thing about being able to get grounded. Do you, do you find, have you had people come back to you and be like, it helped me in this area or. You probably have like ideas on this. Anyway, one of the things I think is the most important. And especially if we look at some of the things you've talked about in your other podcast about trauma and, people experiencing things that. Have caused them to leave their body to feel safe. there has to be a, a learned safety in the body. There has to be experiences of this is a safe place to be, and it has to be repeated over and over and over again because the wiring and the brain and the Springs in another modality, neurosculpting that I do. Do some rewiring of patterns in the brain, so that that new pattern can get stronger. And the old pattern can, you know, ease off and that this repetition and practice and, you know, any little piece you can do during your day to make something different and your experience counts, your brain is aware of that. And your body is aware of that. So I. I find for different people. It's different things as always, but the feeling of being safely at home is very efficient back to the home for the, the holidays. When you texted that to me, I was like, yeah, I love that. And I'm going to be using it through the rest of the month. or December, I should say. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's interesting because everyone approaches their healing journey in a different way. It's like they have come in through different doors, just kind of tumbling in like how'd I get here? Yeah. Yeah. He'd help. Or number one or number two or number three and they can all get you there. Right, right. There's not one way. I think too every like body worker, every psychologist, every life coach, I feel like this kind of stuff would be just so amazingly practical and helpful. Like from the get-go and, and like you were saying about the I'm sorry, I could see you're going to say something, but like you were saying about the business model, sometimes I wonder if that isn't playing a role too, in the journey and the process. So, yeah. Anyway, that was just, and it, it is, it's a business model that we've all been taught it, but it's, you know, it's also a life model that you. Have these ideas around how things are supposed to be and how they operate. And then we're all locked into that until someone has a different idea and breaks out of the, you know, it's a new paradigm and then people go, Oh, does that work? No. Well maybe, yeah. And, I think that's where we're at right now. There's so many new, new things happening that people are doing, even doing zoom like this for an interview. Yeah, no, I mean, people used to do TV interviews and radio interviews, and now there's podcasts and, you know, everybody has this technology and we've all had to learn it. So pportunity yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah, I don't know. It's just, I can't help but think about it. Cause I think about my own journey. Like I was in psychotherapy for years off and on really helpful, but I could just always feel myself like, but how do I, it was a little bit of a frustration there. And I think, I just want to mention this for anybody who feels like they're in that spot of like, Not being able to move forward or whatever it is. Like these are some really practical things that we're even talking about right now, or even getting in touch with you or an embodiment coach to practically work on these things, because it can be, I don't want to say it's like a fast track or anything like that. It's just a, I don't know. How would you describe it? I would, I always talk about there's a pie. For your own healing journey or recovery journey or whatever anybody wants to call it. And the pieces of the pie that you put in and take out change, and some are more appropriate at certain times in your journey. And other ones have to come in and augment what's going on and you are empowered to pick those pieces. And. You know, no one knows any better than you, what feels right. Have to actually experiment and, you know, I've experimented in some things that, that, no, that wasn't it. And that's okay. Because then I knew, you know, whether it was some gosh awful concoction I drank because it was supposed to be good and cleansing my body or, you know, whatever the thing was. Okay. I have that experience and I don't have to continue that because I know that's not going to be the piece of my pie. And so psychotherapy, PMB. A really beneficial thing when there's so much fragmentation and an angst and, upset and, you know, life is just not working and then these other pieces, and then you, Oh, you had, and then your doctor said, Oh, you know, maybe this. And so it comes in and if you're open and you keep yourself open to new awareness, there's a new experiences. Then I. I, I see that as the way that helps the most people. Yeah. Yeah. The openness and the empowerment. I feel like people sometimes think, well, this must be the answer. So I've got to do all the things and like, if it's not working, there's something wrong with me and yeah, you don't have to, well for a year or two years, and then you're different because you've changed. So. It makes sense that, that new you, with the changes that you've, that you've worked so hard for has different needs and it's ready for some different experience. Yeah. I feel like that's a really big one. I had, I had something I was going to say earlier, I'll have a sip of tea while you're thinking, just in talking. It made me think that all the different doors people enter into, I was thinking, you know, like when I went to psychotherapy, I was trying to figure out like how to fix a thing. It was a specific thing. And then it just opened up all these other doors and then. The whole, like physical piece too. I never tied my physical ailments and chronic pain, fatigue, even illness to the psychological trauma. I had never done that cause it, it really made no sense the amount of like injury and pain I was having from a very young age. And a lot of people run into that. Do you, I'm just curious. Do you see that often? Yes. Yes. And I think maybe the advice that I would offer, if you want to call it advice, but what I've seen is that. When you're choosing someone to work with, if you can look at things in a holistic way and know that the person that you're working with hassled a little bit of that perspective, too, they don't have to call themselves a holistic person, but kind of interview people on and, you know, read what they've written and find out. If that person has some kind of container for you within their professional, whatever that is, you know, the identity of their profession to be of service to you in that moment, or if they're really. Maybe a little narrow for what you're looking for. And then sometimes narrow and specific is just the right thing. So we really, really have to take responsibility for choosing who we work with. You know, why do people know it's not a good connection when it's not, and feeling empowered to do that. And. asking if they have a referral to something else that might be helpful to you and not being afraid to ask or hurt their feelings. Yeah. What are some ways people can get comfortable with doing that with being a little choosy and empowering themselves? I would say, ask other people don't. I mean, sometimes we don't want to admit that we're looking for help and. You know what that's okay. but there can even be anonymous ways to ask other people and start reading things online that people have written about their experiences with a certain person, reading books. Some, some people have written books or have blogs. you know, there's ways to find out if you are going to have. You know, some, some kind of a connection and then sometimes you have to get into it to really know, but don't be afraid of no, this isn't exactly what I was looking for. And also to know that you might be running away from something that they may be really helping you all your personal responsibility. we can seek help and then we also have to be responsible for that and accepting it and discerning, and that goes into it. It's okay. If you're making mistakes along the way, like it's necessary, they're not mistakes. They're just learning. They really are just learning. Yeah. Like if you really are running away from help, it might not be the right time for you. To do this thing. Yeah. Yeah. But it might feel different. Trust them. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's that whole thing, like, it's that I don't want to say balance, but it's both, it's like, we're very human. We're going to be prone to not always knowing exactly what's best for us, but also like we get to take that up and take responsibility for it. Yeah, and that is really something to practice and learn. The whole embodiment piece is really helpful with that. Like knowing you're safe within your body and you're not, you're not making like, you know, a horrible mistake. Yeah. None of us want to injure ourselves or traumatize ourselves all over again. So. Yeah. So just feeling safe as a really important thing. And we all have ways that feeling safe feels right to us. It's not the same for every person, some peaceful people, you know, it's just like having something to wrap around them and feel cozy a blanket or people have weighted blankets. Something, a cat on your lap, a dog, you know, something to ground into, some tactile sensory thing makes you safe. So use those things. Yeah, definitely. If you have a shawl or something that makes you feel good, like this is my peacock one and itself. Can I know it's a little cool in here today. So I like to wrap myself in it and. You can take that to your practitioner or whoever you're going to for psychotherapy or whatever else. you know, it really is like having your blankie. It's true. I had a sweater, A year ago, I felt like it was time to let it go. It was for some, for some reason, but I called it my security sweater and I, it was, it was like a blanket and just with sleeves and I wore it everywhere for like, I don't know, five or six months. Yeah. It was like lightweight enough to wear it in all kinds of weather. And, and I did, I just unabashedly my security sweater. Yeah. I think that's great because that's a, you taking care of yourself. Yeah. It's like, okay, this feels better. You know, it feels better. I can go out in the world and feel better with the sun. Okay. I'm going to do it and not shame yourself about it. Yeah, no, it's a good thing. I like telling on myself anyway. It's just kind of how I do. but yeah, anything like that? I definitely like when you were talking about that, I could really relate. So what are some ways I'm thinking about, people who are going through the holidays and maybe, I mean, definitely this year has been like separation city and, Also to people that are kind of, you know, disconnected from family, things like that this time of year can be really difficult. Just emotionally. Yeah. Yeah. So some ways we can just kind of come home to ourselves, take this time, take advantage of this time. Yeah. It really is a great time to take advantage. I see grief as really permeating through. Every aspect of society right now for all of us, you know, there's a grieving mourning, knowing something has happened and we've had to go and, you know, for some people it's just, you know, it's a loss of an actual individual and their life for, you know, it can be a job or so many things, but our way of life. Has changed in so many ways. And so the grief is real and acknowledging that as important, we have time to do that. And we've talked about self care, you and I in the past and, nurturing and ourselves in different ways. Like you have a nice fire going on your TV. I have a candle in the background on my desk. It's it's your all personal sense of what feels nurturing to you for some people it's baths. And I love epsom salts baths with essential oils and you know, it's cold weather now, so that feels good. Some people's saunas feel good. you can take advantage of that. If you could find one that, you know, some of them are still open. Some are not. I think grounding, is probably the most essential because whatever we're feeling, if we don't ground through it, it takes over us knowing that that we can be present with whatever feeling we're experiencing is really important. And again, it takes practice. So little moments. I have a bath I use, okay. I have this little bow that belonged to my grandma. Oh, sound can bring you right back in, you know, some people have the singing bowls or have a crystal glass who can make that sound with, or music in your background, but it can be very grounding in your body to listen to a sound that suits you. and it can bring you like the sound of the bell. And even you could put the chime on your phone if you're off somewhere. And you know, my phone has all kinds of bells and chimes. it can bring you to present time and then you can tell yourself, it's your signal for bringing yourself to present time and you can practice that. So again, wherever you're at, You could make a sound at the glass, you know, this doesn't take, but you know, whatever, it can be. Anything just knowing that that sound for you is that's going to ground me in my body. That's going to bring me right back to press a time. That's going to get my attention where I need to get it. And then one of the other things, is finding something beautiful in your surrounding. Something that gets your attention, whether it's a plant or a beautiful crystal back there painting, Just look at it. And the minute you look at it, it gets yo into your prefrontal cortex. It gets you out of that limbic part of your brain, that's spewing the stress chemicals, and it gets you into the front of your brain where the more executive creative functioning is. And so find something interesting or beautiful and, and just look at it, gaze at it. And you can do that wherever you are. Out in the world, you're feeling triggered out in the world. Just do that. And the more you do it again, the more your wire, your brain to that experience and the more your brain is wired to that experience, the more it'll automatically go there that becomes your new norm. You use the process of neuroplasticity in your brain. To create something new. Yeah. I love that. It's so practical. It's it's making me think too, just about like modern times in general and how I feel like ancient cultures and the things that they would do like, and the traditions that they had in the past. You know, I feel like all of that was just this inner knowing of,that's what we need as human beings. And I feel like we're just getting more and more separated from those from nature and from traditional practices like that. Just from the nature of the way things are. So, yeah, I think about pounding drums and stomping around dancing around campfires or blazing fires, you know, for ritual times, but you can do that in your own backyard. I walk barefoot on the snow. You know, I do earthing barefoot, walking outside, no matter what the weather is. Yeah. And it's like, there's no, I think we all feel like we would look weird for doing that. And maybe we would to some people, but also it's like, It's really not weird. My neighbors aren't used to me now. I have a push mower, you know, just one of those old, real mowers. I mow my grass barefoot. You know, there's no way I can hurt myself cause I'm just pushing it. It's not up. gas or electric mower. So for me, it's quiet. I can hear the birds and I'm walking on the earth in my own yard as I, I mow. And it's very soothing. I enjoy doing that. It's not like, Oh, I have to cut the grass. It's like, Oh yeah, go get to cut the grass. Yeah. I love that. so just even, even practices like that and exercises like that, where you're you look a little bit strange, maybe. Yeah. that can actually be really healing. Just like learning to not, I don't want to say not care, but it helps you become more yourself and get more in touch with yourself. And the more you do it, the less you do. Right. And I just laugh along with them going, yeah, weird. Not this is weird. Most people don't do this. Yeah. But the benefits of being so connected, you know? Yeah. And you get to share with other people while you're doing it, you know? So it's like, Oh yeah, walking barefoot could be good outside. Yeah. Try it. Do it with me. You might make me new friends, so true. And it doesn't have to be, you know, for me lately when I'm feeling that stress or just feeling like. Disconnected. I'll just go for a walk, you know, just even that walk around the block, whatever. Yeah. so you don't have to be like super weird just, but make yourself do something other than what you've been doing to get to that point. Yeah. Yeah. Something different. Change it up. And that always makes a shift. Even if you just get up out of your chair and walk around the house, when you're feeling something like grief for overwhelm, you know, just moving, just getting up and moving into your perspective. What about for people who feel I get this way? I feel discouraged when I get stressed out or I start to worry again. I'm like, man, aren't I over this? There's no such thing for a human. I mean, if we experienced stress, cause that's life comes at us and we have reactions we can get. So we have less reactions as we practice and we're not as reactive, but I feel stress. I just have skills now. I know. Well, I can choose to be stressed or I can do one of these things and unstressed myself. Yeah. So do I want to suffer in this moment while maybe sometimes I'm a little kitty and you feel sad for myself, but you know, I really don't have much tolerance for letting that last, any longer, you know, but sure. You can go into it and experience it because it's an experience. Yeah. I'm stressed. This is what it feels like. The moment you don't resist it, it actually starts to fade away. Totally. So that's the funny game. It is a funny game. Yeah, it really is. It's like the moment I learned that experientially, the first time it was like, Oh my goodness, this is so weird. And so not what I would have expected. and you don't. I think I like to beat myself up for not remembering the tools that I have sometimes. Like I do, right? Oh my gosh, I do that, but it's not a test. It's not a test. You can't fail. This is your life. You cannot fail your life. That's not possible. Yeah. So there's the good news. There is the good news. I think, I just want to talk about these things because I feel like, you know, those are the things we get tripped up on as we're collecting our tools and it's like, Oh, well, this isn't working because I didn't automatically know. Or remember. Yeah. Yeah. It's you know, it's okay. And I will say that the more tools that you practice over time and the more that you put in your toolbox, the more abundant your toolbox is it's easier to have one overflow automatically to you because it's a full box. Yeah. That's a good, a good word picture of that. I love that. Yeah, definitely. I love this. I can talk about this stuff all the time. and I don't think you can get enough of it. And that's like going, going back to the ancient practices thing, because it was a way of life, you know, it wasn't as like. Retraining your brain, I think no, so much it was simpler. Yeah. And, there was no judgment on people's issues and you know, these ancient tribal cultures, it was, you could be people call crazy and. We thought a wise one, you know, for going through that craziness and having that experience and you know, it wasn't as judged. I mean, yes, people were ostracized for certain things, but it was just different people. Weren't telling each other, these stories, like we tell each other now that this is right and this is wrong and you should feel bad about this. Not bad. This live your life this way. Yeah, the rules, the rules are just stories. They're just stories. Yeah. And you can make your own stories. So that's empowering. It really is. And really is. And, I think it's, I think it's a great way to look at this season in this time. And this year specifically during this. You know, season and yeah. Like really, really take advantage of the quietness maybe. Yeah. And when you've had enough quiet reach out, zoom, somebody call somebody, you know, actually talking on the phone. It's a good thing. Cause voice connection is, it's a different, it's a different shocker, you know, it's a different energy. then a text connection, which is more of a visual connection. And so, yeah, I would say. Reach out to people and, you know, different ways, you know, walking with friends is something I've done and finding places to walk where there's wide enough pathways that you can walk together and keep socially distance and enjoy it. Yeah. So there are reasons to connect. Yeah, there really are even, I've been using the app, the Voxer app. it's, it's like a walkie-talkie it's like, you can, it's kind of like sending a voice text. you can be talking and then it's kind of like, they can listen to it in real time on the other end. And it also saves the recording so they can go back and listen to it when they have time. So it's kind of like, You know, it's that nice, like sort of text culture of like, I don't want to bother this person. I want them to be able to answer when they can, but also using the voice. And I've really gotten into that this year. Yeah. The voice is powerful and it also we'll get you thinking in different ways rather than when you're texting. Like it's almost like a flow of consciousness when you're. It comes from a different place. Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, like Voxer or, Marco polo, even that's another one. but yeah, I was thinking about that this, this year, because that became like a mode of communication between me and my boyfriend when we started dating, because we were long distance and. I would send these like really long messages because it would get a thought going and then I'd be thinking out loud and he really enjoyed that. So that's why I kept doing it. I wouldn't have kept doing it. I didn't enjoy it, but, it's actually been really helpful to me to be able to like put thought into words and just voice it, you know? Yeah. And here you are with a podcast. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. And we need your voice. I mean, we each have a voice to give and we need each other's voices. Yeah. We really do. It makes me think of like, you know, story time around the fire, you know, that kind of thing. That was a big deal too. Yeah. I really love that. I love sharing story because that's the way we learn and that's the way we connect. So we realize we're not the only ones and yeah. Hey, here's how someone else did it. Yeah. Sharing, empowers each other. We hear each other's stories. Yeah, definitely. I love that. I want to ask you, like, is there anything, like, was there something you specific you had on your mind that you'd like to share in general? I think we've covered a lot of the things I love to share. You know, I would, you know, I would just say to people use all of your senses. as you live it live your life to embody in the spotty, use your census, hears your voice, use your eyes, who's your touch. you know, it's grounding to touch things and see things and smell things. Just smelling something can be grounded. Yeah. And for everyone that's different, whatever the smell is. Do you want to smell my coffee grounds every morning? No. Yeah. A very earthy kind of smell. Yeah. So to really be embodied using all your senses, try it. See what happens. That's what I say, just to see what happens. I can't hurt, you know, you might like it. You might not like it. And that's your choice. It's like just try different things. And, and when you make the decision to try something, that's not someone forcing something on you, it's you deciding. And so you take it in, in a different way. It's like a different experience. I'm not telling you to do it. I'm saying here's a whole range of things that you could experiment with. And maybe just, maybe perhaps one of these will be beneficial for you. Maybe you'll make up something you want to share with the rest of us. And that would be great too. Yeah. Yeah, I love that this has been so wonderful having you on that's so fun having a cup of tea and fires on both ends and cozy Shaws and blankets. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I, I just have so appreciated your work and you know, you are, you ha are having a huge impact on the world. Oh, thank you. Can you create a very large impact on my life. And, I don't think I've officially told you that. Well, I appreciate that. And I really appreciate being able to be part of your podcast and, you know, all the people that are. Or I'm tuning in and listening. So that just offers more sharing for both of us. Yeah, it does. And I want to share your contact information too, if that's okay. in the show notes and stuff, you are primarily working out of the grand Rapids area, is that correct? That's right. And I do zoom with people. I do do, different kinds of coaching things. you might have an exercise routine where you feel like you're hurting yourself all the time and you don't quite know what you might need to do to, just ease into it a little differently. We can do that on zoom. We can just talk about some of this stuff that you and I have talked about and make a plan. Do some of the neurosculpting meditation. All of this stuff is on my website. That's be aligned, right. B-line dot com. And I will have that in the show notes too. So anyone can get in touch with you. I'd appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate you. Thank you, Tabitha. I will say cheers to the holidays. Cheers. I've got my water and cheers to being home for the holidays for the holidays and coming home, coming all the way home. Yeah. I love that. Thank you so much. Bye bye.