Draft Winners and Losers

The boys bring back on the 'Duane Train' Michael Duane to break down the Mike Vrabel/Dianna Russini story from a Patriots fan perspective. Then they dive into the best and worst drafts from around the NFL. Love y'all. Enjoy!

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Hoy hoy tojoy toy toy one two a check one two with two minutes to go.

SPEAKER_03 0:14

It's fourth and thirty-two. Hello and welcome back to the Fourth and 32 Podcast. I'm your host, Cole Smitson, the Lock Smith, and joining me like always, it's Wettis Man in podcasting, fresh off of another vacation. Man, where's the time go? It's Lick Willy Will Einfeld. How you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:36

I'm great. Yeah, I had a nice, uh, nice long weekend and uh or week. Actually, it was my weekends have been Monday to Wednesday. So uh yeah, that was my weekend. But yeah, I had a great time and I'm glad to be back.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Yeah, glad to have you back. Yeah, definitely push this podcast a little far back. It was funny. We were gonna go Sunday and uh we'll text. Oh, I forgot we were gonna do that. I'm already on vacation, sorry. And you hear him laughing in the background there, also joining us, Patriots Super fan and it a former uh co-host of the podcast, but we love to have him on anyway. It's the Duane train. Michael Dwayne, how you doing?

SPEAKER_04 1:15

Do I like to play me back? A distinguished guest, if you will.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

Seeing you in the news studio, ripping the vape, looking like Red Hourback, looking like Vince Lombardi. I'm loving it.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

I don't know what that means, but I'll go with that. Thanks for letting everybody know. But I still have this horrible habit. Now I work from home too, so it's like it's just bad, man. I sit in the office, sending emails, making calls, just I got I gotta put it in the other room or something. But yeah, we're glad to have you on. We're here to recap the draft. Uh, we're gonna toss out some winners and losers, grades, that kind of thing, talk about how our teams did. Uh my Raiders, Will's Jags, uh, Mike's Pats, obviously. Uh talk about, I guess, some of the bigger news from the draft. We're not gonna go through every single team or anything, just kind of get the highlights here. Uh, but I'm glad we had Mike on because we've been talking about the Mike variable Diana Rossini thing a lot because it's just uh it's just a human interest story. I don't even think it's a big football story. We were talking about that before the show. But we have to talk about it with you, Mike, because I thought you had a pretty interesting take. Honestly, as a Pats fan, it wasn't that surprising. But uh yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

I mean, overall, I mean, my overall take, you know, I think he's a scumbag on a personal level, but I don't think it bleeds into the football situation here. You know, until there's real allegations, I don't want to hear it. We have an owner who has very little issue with going to, you know, low-rent strip strip malls and going to rub and tugs. So I don't believe that Mike Frabel will be losing his job for uh, you know, uh a little marital indiscretion.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. This is that's why I said this isn't a football story. Like a lot of people tried to make it a man-woman thing, and oh my god, she lost her job, had to step down. Mike Frabel should step down as well. But it's just I I said it before the show, but someone put it perfectly. If cheating weren't allowed in NFL locker rooms, there would be no league. And the it just is what it is. He brought this team to the Super Bowl. I was talking about it with my dad Ron. He he was like, Yeah, he went to the Super Bowl. He's not losing his job. It's like it's just how the NFL works, and it's embarrassing for sure. That that whole thing with the third day of the draft made no sense to me. Oh, I'm being texted about every pick, but I'd need to be at family counseling on a sun on a Saturday. Like, what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_00 3:40

I like how they they ranked it in levels of importance. He had round one or day one of the draft, day two of the draft, marriage and family, then day three.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

Exactly. Imagine him in like family counseling or therapy. Like, I imagine they have enough money to bring a therapist to the house, and he's just like looking at his phone the whole time, like talking about guards from Tulsa.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

He seemingly like didn't even go to therapy. He went to like Salt Lake City and like putzed around the airport and like bought souvenirs and like came back. So it's like the whole thing is like I feel like it was quietly like you know, a take a day off, like not not official suspension type deal. But his his movements did not make a lot of sense. Like, why would you go to Utah for a day?

SPEAKER_03 4:26

Yeah, no, that's super weird. I guess I I get it, right? You gotta put your family first. He's been married to this woman for a long time. But we were talking about before you think this is the first time? If this guy does this, he probably does it. She's not gonna leave. Right? Like it's it's ugly. It's an ugly part of life. People get uncomfortable talking about it, but like it is what it is, really. And to be honest, Diana Rossini put herself in a worse position by doing this because she ruined all of her journalistic integrity that she's supposed to have, especially as an NFL insider. But it's just what it is. Anybody got anything more to say about that? Because I do want to get into some of the details. Because one Okay, let's jump in.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Yeah, jump in.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

I mean, I mean the the real T, the real I I mean, the internet is a ruthless uh mistress. But the real T is that she was the beat reporter for Tennessee when he was the coach there. And she was in Tennessee with the team right around the time that her son would have been conceived. And she named him Michael. Uh-huh. And pictures came out from 2020, right the the Rudy Gobert day, right when the day COVID started of them in a bar in New York together. So this could have been happening for a long time. And it's messy. On her end, it is she had to delete her Twitter. She'll never work again. I I would be hard-pressed to see her being a journalist, especially for the NFL again. So it's messy on her end.

SPEAKER_04 6:10

In fairness, you know, her husband is also named Michael. So I think there is some overlap there.

SPEAKER_03 6:16

Okay. I did I actually didn't know that. So there goes me spreading pop propaganda.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

But I don't know. I mean, you know, it's all hearsay, but I've certain rumors about Mike Tomlin, Yoshawn McVeigh. I don't think Mike Vrabel's the only one. And, you know, that's that's hearsay, just through the grapefine.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Yeah. No, something came out in the John Gruden emails, uh, the ones that got him fired, that whole investigation into the commanders where wives of NFL coaches and uh front office members did not like her. Basically accused her of being inappropriate.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Did you see that clip from um it was like Pat's training camp last year where she was like interviewing Vrabel and it was like his birthday or whatever? And she's like, uh, what was the best part of your birthday? And he's like, uh-oh, um like hesitated a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

No, and then she kind of like threw a weird insult at his wife that he had to defend. Did you see that? Oh no. She was like, Oh, she used to be athletic. And he goes, Not used to be, or something like that. Very messy. Very messy. Yeah. Did you see that one chick from USA Today got fired for like celebrating the fact that she got fired? I did see that, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Yeah. I did, I did think she had a point, even though she probably did go about it in an unprofessional way, but it's gotta be so hard to be a woman in sports. It's becoming more prevalent in the NFL. There Mina Kimes, just more general sports, but mostly focuses on football. Um, who's like Katie Nolan just comes to mind. It's gotta be very hard to be in the industry. I went to journalism school, right? I kind of understand what you're supposed to do as a journalist, but she did kind of set women back. I I think there's a truth to it. I don't know. Maybe I'm I shouldn't even say anything as a man, but nothing. I got nothing.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Yeah, I mean, I I have very little follow up on that one.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

No, I'm just so over here on my soapbox. You know, I've never done anything wrong. Or unchrist-like. But that's true.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

You've been a man of God the entire time I've known you.

unknown 8:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

No, it's it's it's just it's messy stuff. But uh, like Mike said, it's it's not gonna affect the football. And uh, this is a football show. Uh so I think we should dive into it unless anybody's got anything else they want to say.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

I guess the last take on that was like I saw like it was obviously like a tabloid-style article yesterday, but it was like Patriots eyeing Mike Tomlin if variable resigns. And I was like, oh, I would hate that. The worst thing ever to get him in the door after everyone's like, yeah, Josh McDaniels is gonna be the guy.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

That's yeah, no, I mean, good luck to you. Because if Josh McDaniels is your head coach, you know exactly what that means.

SPEAKER_04 9:17

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

All too well. Yeah. Exactly. I I think that's why people are rooting for it, honestly. They hate the Patriots. Like, uh, no love lost between me and Josh McDaniels. But yeah, let's let's dive into the draft stuff. Let's do it. Uh, Will, I think uh we'll start with you. What you said earlier, uh, if you want to kick us off there and we can start wherever you want.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah, yeah. Well, um we're just gonna kind of go through the the winners, I think, just to start us off. And and I really think your team, the Las Vegas Raiders, is at the top of the list here. I think they I think they might have won the draft. It's between them and and maybe the Browns for me. And uh, yeah, I think you guys won the offseason in as a whole. So uh we can kind of run through your picks. I'd I'd love Fernando Mendoza. You guys got a generational quarterback there. Um, you pick up Jramon McCoy, who fell because of injury reason, but he's a he's a first-round talent if if he can stay healthy. Um, you got Mike Washington Jr., which was one of my favorite running backs of the draft. And uh yeah, yeah, you go you didn't draft a whole lot of offensive linemen. I know that's what you're rooting for, but you got a lot of guys that could play, a lot of meaningful minutes for you. And uh yeah, let's talk about the Raiders a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Yeah, I I'm bullish on the draft, even though I really did want some offensive linemen. But to be fair, we did draft two offensive linemen pretty high last year that Pete Carroll and his son, who is the offensive line coach for whatever reason, refused to play. So if there's anything they can do, that'd be awesome, even if they're just backups or swing players there. Obviously, we brought in Linderbaum, that should be you know a stabilizing force on the offensive line. Colt Miller's there. Uh, we brought in Spencer Buford. I think he's supposed to be slotted in as a starter. And then Jackson Powers Johnson has had some success uh at guard or center in the past. So if this is just a better unit and a better coach unit with a lot more talent, I think we can get by even if it's not one of the best offensive lines in the league. Um, I my real concern, because I I love that we stack the defense. I mean, if you you said it uh about Gerod McCoy or Jarmaud McCoy. Yeah, excuse me. Sorry. Yeah, but uh it he basically has to have a surgery that has to be successful in his knee, or he's not gonna be able to play because it's gonna degenerate. And it might be something he has to do constantly where they take ligaments from other parts of the knee to repair it. It's just not something you can do a whole lot. Uh so that I don't know anything about you know medical science, but if he is able to play, you know, first round value at the top of the fourth round, that's great. We went out and got two safeties from Arizona. Uh, a lot of people are really high on Stukes, the guy we got in the second round. I was shocked by that pick, but watching his film and just reading about him, I think it excited me a little bit more. And if if we can have a, you know, uh a secondary with a ton of pieces to throw out teams that play in different positions and perform different roles with the way we rebuilt the linebacker core in the offseason and Max Crosby stays. I don't know why we can't be a pretty good defense, and that helps out Mendoza a lot. Also, it looks like the plan isn't to play Mendoza a lot uh here uh early in the season, which I think I'm okay with if it's gonna help his development. Um, and I don't think next year we were gonna be this amazing team anyway. So I think it's a step in the right direction. I want to believe it at least. Uh but I uh we've how many times have we won the offseason? I want to win some real football games.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

That's fair.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

That's fair. And and rece receiver is scary to me. Trey Tucker showed that he's a real guy. We paid Jalen Naylor. Benson's a project, just uh, you know, a physicals guy. Yeah. Besh or Thornton from last year has to work out. Something like that. Because I don't I don't want to rely just on Brock Bowers and Trey Tucker like we did last year. I mean, we saw how that worked, but also the offensive line was so bad. But what are y'all's thoughts on what the Raiders did?

SPEAKER_04 13:27

I think overall, I mean, I think Genty's gonna take a step next year, too. He'll probably be the centerpiece of that offense as Mendoza gets comfortable. Um, obviously, you know, the O-line's getting built out a little bit more. That was a huge issue with Geno Smith last year. But like you said, I mean, you gotta have that at least number two receiver outside of Trey Talker there. So defense should look a little better. I'm not expecting, you know, a playoff appearance, but I think you're gonna see a step in the right direction this year and potentially a playoff team coming 2027.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Yeah, that that's my big hope is that okay, another great draft coming around the corner. If we're picking somewhere, you know, in the 12 to 17 range, I th I think we can get a really good player. Maybe we end up making that Max Crosby trade and we get another uh piece of capital for that draft, and then you know, sky's the limit from there. But I I I like the Mike Washington pick, or at least I want to, but Genty's a bell cow. You know, I I guess we can just run the shit out of the ball. Maybe that's the plan with Kubiak. He used two backs in Seattle a lot.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Just take a little pressure off of Genty. And he's so fast. Mike Washington Jr. is that that he's gonna add a little bit of a different element to so yeah, I'd I'd I'd love that pick.

SPEAKER_04 14:50

And McCoy, too. I mean, I think when you're a team like the Raiders, like right now, you have to take roll the dice on blue chip talent. You know, if you can trade that fourth round pick and get a guy who's projected to be in top 15, you take that every time, even if he's not gonna be a hundred percent healthy. Address the health issues as they rise. But for now, I mean, if you can get good production out of him, that's a that's a spark plug in the secondary right there.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Or let him sit for a year. He's got a whole year. Um since you guys don't I mean, you don't think a playoff appearance is is in the card. So let him sit for the year, let him rehab, let him come back full form next year, and uh he's gonna be a beast.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

I agree with that. I mean, we took a lot of bites at the apple in the secondary, so it's it's gotta improve it in some way. I kind of wanted that with the offensive line, but obviously they believe in the line. Yeah. To go out there and have the draft like they did. I'm curious to see how the guy from Auburn plays, Kieran Car uh Crawford. We didn't talk about him a lot. Uh we have some depth at pass rusher, so I don't know if he's gonna play a whole lot. And uh we ended up giving away Tyree Wilson, which is another classic Raiders top ten disaster. So I think uh I think he can go in and replace that, you know, zero production.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

But I was very high on him coming out of the draft a couple years ago, too. I thought he was gonna be a beast, so maybe we'll get into it, but will David Bailey be cut from the same cloth?

SPEAKER_03 16:23

You you think he's gonna be uh a bust, Mike? I do not actually. I think he's gonna be pretty good. Yeah, no, me too. Uh I hope I hope one of these receivers steps up. I think that's my big thing with the Raiders. Like Naylor and Tucker, I think we know what they are. Brock Bowers is obviously great. And if one dude steps up, you get Mendoza in there around mid-season, the line's playing well, defense is frisky. Like, that could be a real team. And even if we're not great this year, hard out at the very least. Do you think Kirk starts week one? Yes. I I I mean, I think they they paid him like he was gonna start. They keep saying he's gonna start. I think Mendoza would have to surprise a lot of people in the offseason. It's it's not out of the realm of possibility. But also, I think he's the perfect person to learn behind because I've watched a lot of videos randomly and interviews where he breaks down how to read coverages in the NFL and how to go through progressions in the modern era and he's seen so much football at this point. And Mendoza, one of the knocks on him coming out is he's a one-read quarterback, one read two, maybe two, and and or check down or or pull the ball down and run. So if he can learn from cousins how to do that and get ready by midseason, because I don't think cousins is gonna play well, but I do think he starts the year.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Yeah. Yeah, go go go learn from uh from Kirk. He's the perfect guy to sit behind and and yeah. Yeah, I I think he said it all. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

I will say too, like, I am curious, like, what will the Brady involvement look like? Like, is this gonna be a Michael Jordan, Kwame Brown type situation? Or like is he gonna be a real involved mentor? Because like he's been talking the part um through like interviews and on social media. So, you know, new coach coming in. Obviously, you got Brady in the ownership group. It'll be interesting to see like how they handle him coming into um training camp and then throughout the start of the season.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

I've heard a lot of mixed things about Brady where he's just so spread thin that he's not as involved as people think he would be because he's Tom Brady. But or he'd he's not breaking down all this film from all these college guys, but then he still wants the input at the table and people respect what he says. So there there could that could be a double-sided sword uh double-edged sword where he could really help Mendoza and sit down with him and and really care about his development. And at the same time, he could fall in love with a player that's just not very good because he's only seen the highlights or he hasn't really broke down all the film. So I I I don't know, but it seems like Mendoza and Brady are in contact and I it can't hurt as far as the quarterback position, but I think there's a chance that it could hurt with the rest of the team. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

You think Vegas is gonna change Mendoza at all?

unknown 19:17

No.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

High-rise penthouse at uh at a casino and face tattoo. No.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

I do not he's from Miami, he should be alright. You know, if he wasn't corrupted, there it'd be okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Did you see his draft room? There were no friends, there were no like that guy is just a family football god kind of guy. Yeah, that's what we don't said at all. I didn't see the ringtone actually.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

It was just the classic, like cartoony sounding. Hold on. Let me see if I can get it. Yeah, that's ridiculous. He's just a goofy little guy. He's gonna be he's gonna be fine in Vegas. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:08

Well he's the right guy they need.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

No car crashes, no, no crimes. Facts. No, that's probably true. Yeah, I I'm seeing um, I went to look it up, but it seems like he's in more of a consulting role with the GM and the coach, but the GM's also his guy, so I'm sure they they apparently Kubiak and Brady are texting daily. I'm sure he's texting the the GM a lot, but again, like how much does he actually know? Uh, I think Kubiak's gonna be the big factor on Mendoza.

unknown 20:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

Right. Honestly, we haven't even talked about him, but he just won the Super Bowl as offensive coordinator. He's been one of the hottest names in the league over the last year, and I was really worried how the coaching cycle fell. But then it turned out that you know we were in the prime position to go get Kubiak, so it ended up being all right. But if Kubiak's awesome, Mendoza's probably gonna be pretty good. And then this this team has way more talent than it did when I was looking at it last year, but a lot of people picked us to make the playoffs last year, so maybe we have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

Could have been me. I think it's just a year early.

SPEAKER_03 21:12

Tough. All right, we'll get into the rest of the winners, but I do want uh your takes on your teams first. So we'll go to the the Jags. I thought you had an interesting take on the Jags.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Well I think we were the the losers of the draft and losers of the offseason. We uh we go pick up a uh a tight end who's probably tight end six or seven in uh Nate Bork Borkirker from Texas AM. There was just the GM was right, there was gonna be a run on tight ends, but then he went out and picked this guy who's only had thirty seven or thirty-eight catches in his whole career, college career, and uh yeah, is mostly a blocker. So I don't know how well he's gonna fit into our system, but I thought we could have used that pick on So many other spots. Um, but yeah, yeah, we I the one guy I'm happy about is Emmanuel Pregnant from Oregon. He's just a massive guy who can probably start for us next year on the offensive line. And and that's pretty much it. We got a bunch of guys that I I I've never even heard of, and I I do a good bit of this research beforehand. So I'm a little bit bummed out about how this offseason went and and how the draft went for us.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

Yeah, I I saw a lot of just scathing reports about your GM and the hubris that he showed picking Nate Borker. The boy, the boy genius or whatever. He was very he was made famous by his quote about Travis Hunter last year. It seems like Hunter's gonna play full-time corner this season, so they traded up to go pick a corner, second. Uh, maybe not the best move, traded away their first round pick. And then apparently a lot of reaches, but obviously they like them in the building. And I think uh even outside of the draft, like you just didn't you weren't able to pick up a lot of guys this season or this offseason. You know, so you've bled a little bit of talent.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Yeah, we probably have our in the seventh round, we got a guy, uh linebacker from middle Tennessee who might have to start for us. We don't have a ton of linebacker depth, and uh after giving up Devin Lloyd, it's not it's uh it's not a hole that we want to fill with a seventh round rookie. So and then running back too.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

You lose Etienne. Bringing Chris Rodriguez doesn't feel like he's really a starter on your running game, is a big reason you're so good last year.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

I'm I'm actually I'm okay with um uh shooting, I'm gonna blank on his name.

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Is it Bayeshell Tutan? That's Bay Shell Tootin.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Yeah, I'm high on the show.

SPEAKER_04 23:48

I'm a big Beishell Tutin, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Yeah. Well, he's he's gonna have to be good.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

He showed flashes. He was our guy that that could really cut in between the tackles, and yeah, we're gonna miss at TN, but I I I don't think that that was as big of a hole as some of the other spots that we lacked to fill.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Yeah, I think your defense could be a real problem. Yeah. And not in a good way. What do you think about uh the Jags offseason and drafts, Mike?

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Well, well, I'll start with I do like Bashell Tutan a lot. I watched a lot of him last year when I thought the Pats would take a guy like late round three, early round four, obviously before we took Henderson in round two. But Tootin, I think, is a guy who could step up. I mean, the starter right now I see is like Chris Rodriguez off the draft chart, which um, you know, I don't think that's gonna be a tough data beat out for a second year player there. But um obviously the Jags weren't working with a lot. They gave up a lot of capital last year for Travis Hunter, so it was an AM heavy draft from what I'm seeing. Um but overall, I mean, the like you said, the pregnant pick was awesome. I mean, he was projected to go like early to mid-second round, so that's a great slide there. But yeah, like you said, the Borghir, not a great pick for a blocking tight end going in the second round there.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Mm-mm. We could have gotten it even if they flipped Pregnant and Borkatcher, I I think it would have been looked at better. But yeah, it's just too high. There's too many good tight ends available that could have really immediately helped us.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

I feel like they could have gotten a better tight end. Yeah. Like someone that's more ready to help out in the passing game. Which I know he wants to do in that offense. So I don't I don't know. Maybe one of these late round receivers steps up. I know, you know, you got BTJ and Jacoby Myers, but I'm okay with Parker Washington, too. Parker Washington came alive.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

I forgot about him. You're right. Holding on to BTJ is pretty good, too. I mean, he's been the subject of a ton of rumors the last couple months. So you think coming into a fresh season with him, staying on the roster, you know, hopefully he gets back to the 2024 form.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

He will. Yeah, it was they were trying to run him out in the wrong spot. They were trying to get him that Chris Godwin role uh for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but he needs to be more of the downfield threat, uh, just with his speed and size. So yeah, we'll let Parker Washington and Jacoby Myers take the middle of the middle of the field and and the short stuff.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

Yeah. Do you love your offensive line where you're at?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

I'm okay with it. Yeah. I don't think we're a top unit uh in any way, but I we're not at the bottom like we were a couple seasons ago.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Yeah, I I'm I don't mean to be insulting at all when I say this. Like my team was absolute garbage last year, and they've been pretty bad my entire life. But I think both your teams kind of could be regression candidates, honestly. Really successful, out outpaced what everybody thought heading into last year. I thought the Jags easily could have been the AFC representative in the Super Bowl, how they played down the stretch. Obviously, I had the tough loss to Josh Allen and the Bills in the first round, but they were right there. I just, I'm not in love with this roster when I'm looking at it, but you do have a really good head coach. And I think that could save both your teams, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Definitely. Do you want to jump into the Patriots?

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Yeah. But yeah, let's get after it. All right, Mike. How are you feeling? I'm seeing people not super high in your draft.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

I was pleased overall. I think it was a pretty solid B. I didn't love the draft, but I didn't think it was a poor draft. Obviously, you know, during the Belichick era, coming off of deep playoff runs, we would take some absolute duds. The low move pick, I like. We have a lot of flexibility there. It reminds me of like back in the day when we took Nate Solder when we already had two established starting tackles. You got flexibility, you got a swing guy now. He's probably gonna get some reps in. And if Campbell blows and left tackle again this year, you potentially have a guy who's a little bigger than him to take tackle and then slide him inside. So I like that pick, you know, not too much, but I didn't dislike the pick either. Gabe Dakis, as I told you, is like my favorite pick of the draft. I think he's gonna be an absolute freak. He was a beast wrestler. He was an incredible pass rusher. We need edge talent. So I think he should step in there. And then Eli Raradon, while we were on the topic of uh tight ends, that's the guy who's probably gonna sit for a year behind Hunter Henry. He had knee issues, he had two torn ACLs in the same knee, um, I believe two years apart, but he's a receiving threat, not really much of a blocker. We block we brought in um Julian Hill to be like the blocking tight end behind Hunter Henry. So ideally, he'll be that blocking guide for the next couple years. Maybe Rarodon takes over that starting spot in 2027, but I think he's a very high-end developmental project. My favorite pick overall was Demetrius Crownover, a 6'8 tackle out of AM. We got him in the sixth round. He was projected to be like late fourth, early fifth. The man is a physical freak. So if they can develop him to be like a long-term swing tackle, I'd like that a lot. But outside of that, I'm not really seeing a whole lot here that's gonna be like, you know, long-term guys who are probably gonna start. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

And you're bringing a lot of talent back to what your defense should be right back to where it was. So you brought in Bayard to help out your secondary. Yep. Um the the offensive line, that's the the big concern. If you have more injury issues there, obviously you got guys to replace him, but they'd be rookies. Who knows? Uh Vera Tucker has just been in and out of lineups his entire time in the league, even though he's a really good player when he plays. And then I guess you address the receiver. I I AJ Brown's probably gonna be there, so that changes the whole picture of your offense. Right. But bringing in Dobbs, I thought, was underwhelming if you don't get him.

SPEAKER_04 29:57

I agree, but like at the same time, I mean, Dobbs's best game of his career was in the game they lost against the Bears from the wild cards. So he is coming off a pretty hot stretch to his uh Packers' career. So hopefully they get something out of him early. Um it sounds like you know, one of or both of uh Demario Douglas or Kayshawn Booty will not be on the roster going into the new season. So I think you're gonna see some shake-ups in the receiver room. And if you can trot out, like, you know, Brown, Dobbs, and then one of Booty or Douglas, like I think that's an all right starting three. And then as long as Hunter Henry's healthy, like I think we will have at least a productive unit. Not a world-class unit, but there's you know, development there, and it should be at least like some consistency for Drake May. Yeah. Like you said, I mean, Vera Tucker is like the biggest question mark right now. Because if he's healthy, he could be elite. If he's not healthy, he will probably probably two games this year.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

Yeah, and I I I feel like the draft and the tackle in the first round when you already have two established ones, so it's not the biggest like vote of confidence in Will Campbell.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Right. It was also them saying that that Morgan Moses at 35 years old wasn't gonna be the answer long term. So that is true.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

That is true. Right. Well, there were rumors coming out of the Super Bowl that he would be retiring, but it sounds like he's gonna play out his contract. So he's coming into a contract year. I think it's safe to assume he'll probably retire at the end of the season, regardless of the outcome. But if you can get that guy developing the back who's, you know, a pretty high-level talent. I saw the Chiefs were trying to get him, the Bills were trying to get him. You know, if we can get him cooking, hopefully you have a long-term tackle, you know, on one end or the other.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Yeah. Do you think they move um Will Campbell to the other side? Because Lomu was primarily a left tackle in Utah.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

Yeah. I've seen that where they said he hasn't played out of position for Lomu. Um, I think it's more likely that they probably move Campbell to left guard. I think he'll probably follow the Peter Skaronsky career, who since moving from tackle to guard, also drafted by Variable, has been a very successful left guard. But I think there's rumors about Mike and Wenu. Are they gonna extend him? Are they gonna trade him? What's the deal there? So I think a lot of it comes down to like what's Vera Tucker gonna do? What's you know, Morgan Moses' deal? And a lot of it is also hedging on Jared Wilson being a much better center than he was left guard. And prior to the playoffs, I mean, he was a very good left guard, but post-injury, he was a liability alongside Campbell in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

No, uh that was the big problem. I mean, you made it to the Super Bowl, it wasn't the most impressive playoff run of all time. It was really on the back of your defense. But if you can't block for Drake May, I mean, we've seen even Patrick Mahomes fall apart with no offensive line in front of him. So you got to figure out this offensive line for your young quarterback. That's kind of priority numero right now. But you got some bites at the apple, like you said, with ground over with Lomu, uh flexibility with being able to move some of these guys around. So I I don't hate it. I just I honestly think the regression comes from your schedule. Like you had the easiest schedule of all time last season by a lot of metrics. And I'm not, you know, you made it to the Super Bowl. I'm not discounting that, but it will be a harder season for you.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

I agree, but at the same time, I mean, any team that makes the Super Bowl is gonna play a harder schedule. You're playing a first place schedule. I just don't agree with these takes where it's like, oh yeah, the Vikings are gonna walk into Gillette and blow you out. I'm like, from who? Like, who know.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

And it's like you have the Dolphins in your division, the Dolphins are gonna be terrible. Right. Jets will probably be pretty bad.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

But Bills will split one and one. The Super Bowl lost curse. It's true, but it happens. Luckily, we didn't lose too many guys, at least for a talent bleed perspective. But we'll see how the Vrabel situation develops, too, you know. That'll be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

That is true. If he steps away and you can't get someone like Tomlin, I think you're in a real world of hurt, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

The way I see it in a lot of ways, though, with the schedule is like it comes out in April or May. Every year you look at the Thanksgiving games, you look at the Christmas games in the spring summer, and you go, Oh, these are gonna be awesome. And then it's late October, and you're looking at the Thanksgiving schedule and go, oh, three of these are all ass. Like things change after you start playing the game. So I think it'll be interesting to see this year, but I still think you know, you'll see good defense, hopefully, May keeps a similar level of performance. But yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Also Oh, okay. I see what I'm on. There it also, I guess it doesn't happen as often as you think it would for teams now uh winning the Super Bowl and then being bad the next year. Last two.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

They lost um like a late fourth quarter drive in 2022.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

There's some examples. The 49ers last two times, Chiefs obviously last year, but a lot of it's injuries from what I'm seeing. The Rams winning this or no, no, no, the Rams after uh they went to the Super Bowl against the Pats that first time. Panthers, Cam Newton, her whatever. Anyway, we can move on. Anything else you want to say about the uh the Pats? Uh, not really.

SPEAKER_04 35:39

I mean, we'll see, we'll see how June 1st shakes out with the AJ Brown deal put.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

Yeah. And uh some controversy around that, as apparently Diana Rossini and her her magic fajine made that trade happen.

SPEAKER_04 35:52

So I guess uh Schefter and Rappaport were too. Yeah, exactly. They're all fucking brable.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

Yeah, them and uh and Howie Roseman's involved. It's messy. It's all messy.

SPEAKER_04 36:06

It's a dirty game.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Yeah, let's talk about some more of uh the winners here from the draft. Everybody is hyping up the Browns draft. Can I can I talk about it?

SPEAKER_04 36:16

I like the Browns draft.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Yeah, please go off. I don't like it. I'm sorry, but I they drafted a guy in the first round that everybody's stupid. He's very impressive with the ball in his hands, yes. But when I start hearing drop concerns for an undersized first round wide receiver, that's an issue. And then they go Denzel Boston in the second round, so they got KC Concepcion, Denzel Boston. The Browns' result for that is neither of them are good. Like, yeah, the idea is that they oh now instantly we're better at this position. But like all their quarterback rooms are a mess, so that could be a real problem. When's the last true Browns good wide receiver? And they're both receivers with some question marks surrounding them. So I I think while it's possible that that benefits them, this is the Browns, and this is what people outside of bad teams don't get. It's like I if the Raiders made those two picks, I'd be like, God damn it, they're both gonna suck. And that's how I feel about that. I think they got some value with McNeil Warren. Absolutely did. He was first round talent. I I like that they tried to build up the offensive line. Talon Green, that's a fun little flyer. I get it, but I'm I'm concerned about how they use their draft capital in this one. Obviously, you're gonna tell me I'm wrong and to call them winners, so go off. Whoever wants to start. Well, have a floor.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Okay. Yeah, no, I I really, really like this draft. Spencer Fano was one of the top offensive tackles out there. You know how much I liked uh Concepcion before the draft. I I knew he was gonna go in the first round and he was well deserving of it. Yeah, he's got some draw drop issues, but he's so fast and he plays the he plays the uh he plays the position so well that I think he just needs to work on his hands a little bit. He's gonna be a talent. Denzel Boston's kind of the opposite. He's a big-bodied guy who can just go up on the outside and go get the ball. So yeah, the quarterback is room is leaves a lot to be desired, but they're just loading up for next year. We have six quarterbacks that might go in the in the top 15 next year, and they're all they might all be very talented, very good players. So I I think you're you're uh this is kind of your your draft to just to build for next year. Like you said, I I like McNeil Warren, he was a first round graded guy, and then I like Justin Jefferson, the linebacker out of Alabama. He's fast, explosive, and a sideline to sideline player. So and then yeah, you take a flyer on Talon Green, you're pr you're probably gonna move on from uh Dylan Gabriel, is my guess. But yeah, you've got some pieces to work with, and inevitably it's gonna be a tough year again next year, just with with how everything's gone for this Browns organization, but that just gets you more set up to go get Lenora Sellers or Arch Manning or one of these other guys that that uh that can follow in the draft to him.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Yeah, Talen Green is gonna be winning a 12 to 7 game against the Steelers in November, isn't he? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

It's gonna be my hammer play, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Plus 11 and a half. Uh he's gonna look he's gonna look like, oh, who is that kid they make they made play during the 0-16 season? Deshaun Kaiser. Oh god. The cruel things they did to that boy. The sacrificial lamb. Literally did his football reference is one of the funniest football references of all time. It's like 0-15, like double the amount of interceptions as touchdowns. It's it's awful. But anyway, Mike, your thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

I like the Browns draft overall. I mean, I think Fano is a great tackle, probably one of the better ones in the class overall. But the receiver is like Concepcion was my number one guy for the pass draft if they were to go receiver. Denzel Boston was at the bottom of my list. Overall, like I don't think that's an indictment on him as a player. I just think it's such a poor fit historically for the pass to come in with like a Boston guy. Like, obviously, you know, that jersey would go triple platinum. But when it was like, oh yeah, 6'4, muscular receiver who wins the jump ball, I'm like, oh wow. Like I've seen a lot of really shitty players like that. But he's in Cleaver.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Who's the guy?

SPEAKER_04 40:43

Yeah, Nikhil Harry, yeah. Horrible. I mean, even like even more recently, like Devontae Parker, like oh, bums. But they need talent. I mean, they need receivers to come in. They need to throw shit at the wall. I saw I came out earlier today. They're saying, like, oh, like Deshaun Watson has the head nod essentially to start. Like, it's his job to lose going into training camp. So they're still paying him. Like, they still got to get talent around him, I guess. Like, Shadur doesn't have the inside track to win the starting job. So Concepcion, he's an electric player. He has a lot of drop issues. That was his big deal coming out of AM. But if he can put it together, you should be a good player. And if Boston can put it together, you have a pretty good core essentially there. But McNeil Warren, I liked a lot. He had a ton of buzz being like a potential like mid to late first round guy, slid into the second. So I like that grab. And obviously, you know, like we were saying, everybody's blowing this draft. Like they're saying, oh, the Browns are the crown of the league right now. But the teams that always win the draft don't always necessarily win the league. So I think it's a developmental year. You got to see what works, what doesn't. You're out of the Watson deal after this coming season. If they can either get a good year out of him, maybe get an extension to franchise tag, or maybe you have Shador Sanders start the second half of the year and you have franchise guy going into 2027. I think that's a successful year. But Munken, he doesn't inspire a lot of confidence as a head coach. I think he just needs to keep the lid on this whole operation and uh, you know, not go 0-17, essentially.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

Yeah. No, it's it's the Munken's gonna be gone, right? Like he's uh let's talk about sacrificial lambs. Also, let's talk about Deshaun Watson a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 42:27

Well, before we go into Watson, can I make one comparison on Munken?

SPEAKER_03 42:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:32

Remember David Cully?

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Yes, it was my exact one.

SPEAKER_04 42:34

That's exactly what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

Lovey Smith, David Cully, Texansera is perfect. Yeah. And they went and got their guy after that. So maybe David Cully. Oh my god. No one's ever been more fired before they started their job. But anyway, Deshaun Watson paid all that money guaranteed in three years in Cleveland, 9-10, 19 touchdowns, 12 picks, only 19 starts, injury concerns at the Wasu, double blew out his Achilles, who says karma's not real. Uh let's talk about it for his career. 37 and 35. I know he was really good that COVID year with the Texans, and it wasn't his fault they went four and twelve. But this is a guy that is a career 500 starter that they pay. Why is the GM still there? Right. Why is he being allowed to make these decisions going into the future? Scared off your DC, your defense was the only redeemable thing about the team last year. This is just what bad organizations do. And if they you know got that Travis Hunter deal, got a really good defensive tackle out of it, and then Casey Concepcion's a bust, like that's just another uh unforgivable uh, you know, decision from this regime.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

So they had a good draft last year, so I'm just gonna kind of lay it on those shoulders.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

He can draft. I just I this team hasn't been any good. Yeah. You know? And it's his fault. Like Baker Mayfield's a much better quarterback at this point than Deshaun Watson. And nobody here is big fan of Deshaun. We all know what he did. Um yeah. But I don't know. I just I don't really like where this team's going. Not gonna lie. Also, I just wanted to look mention this because I I was pinged this on the head. Deshaun Kaiser, 15 starts, 0-15, 11 touchdowns, 22 picks. It's brutal what they did to that. Not in a single win. That's crazy. More, yeah, more picks than starts. Yeah. It was a tough career for Kaiser. Swept out of the league after years of backup uh in Green Bay. But any more Brown's thoughts? I forget who said at this point, but it's a great point. People that win the draft, they very often don't win.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

So that's fair. But everybody has them as a winner. So I'm glad y'all believe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Didn't Devontae Adams have drop issues coming into the league? Wasn't that his big knock? Did he? I don't know. He catches everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

So that's one of the highest.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

No, Devonta Devontae Adams. Devontae Smith.

SPEAKER_04 45:16

No, um Devontae. Yeah. Sorry. It's it is getting late, dude. I get tired.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

It's all good.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

Yeah, coming out of Fresno Estate.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

Yeah, I know. I'm not, I don't remember the 2011 scuttle butt. Or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 45:29

Well, I remember 2016 when they're like, is Devontae Adams going to get cut? And then like he just became like a complete number one top five receiver in the NFL.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

Yeah, I do remember that actually. Um, all right. Who else we got for some winners, Will? Or Mike, you want to throw out one? I'll say I did like the Eagles draft quite a bit.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

I mean, they always draft pretty well, but like moving up from Makai Lemon, I mean, that was a shrewd play. He was on the phone with the Steelers when they called him to tell them they're drafting him. Very shrewd. Eli Stowers, I was very high on too. Like, if I could have picked any tight end for the pass to pick up, it was probably gonna be him. He was really good at Vandy, complete tight end. But beyond that, I mean, there's not a lot of depth there. I think it was pretty high end. I like the Cole Payton draft, could potentially be a good backup long term. And he's a character too from the Gruden interview.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

So well, I think he they want him to be Taysom Hill. Honestly.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

He's cop to the poor man's hurts. So yeah.

unknown 46:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

Maybe I'll say too, a um kind of uh a conciliatory praise here, but I like the Jess draft a lot. I mean, yeah, obviously with the David Bailey pick, like I think from a strategic standpoint, that was very much a I do not want to get fired in October pick from like Aaron Glenn. 100%. Yeah, he's he's pro ready. I loved Kenyan Sadiq. I would have loved for us to get our hands on him. But Omar Cooper, too. I mean, he looks like a Stephon Diggs clone. So you might have a pretty productive receiver there. D'Angelo Pons. I mean, they made a lot of picks in the first two rounds. And even like Cade Klubnick, he had a ton of buzz coming into last year, potential Heisman candidate, potential first rounder. They got him in the fourth. You're probably not gonna get a long-term um, you know, starting tenure out of Geno. So if he can become something in the background, we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Yeah, I really liked what the Jets did in the first round. Getting back in to get Omar Cooper, who everybody thought they're gonna pick at 16. I think there's a lot of value there. And then Sadiq, I don't know. These first round tight ends that are super physical freaks. We see it not work in the league, but if someone's gonna work, I feel like it's gonna be him with all that speed. But uh I like Pons from Indiana. Guy that can go make it.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

A lot of Indiana guys want.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

Yeah, of course. But uh they need an interception this year. I mean, Aaron Glenn, I'm shocked he's honestly.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

He might have to take the field, dude. He might have to shoot up and start picking guys off.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Exactly. No, but I I like what they did, but it, you know, it it feels like they're trying to save their jobs, and that's just classic jets. So hopefully they didn't whiff on any of these picks.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

But Will, your thoughts on Eagles, Jets, uh Yeah, Eagles, they essentially I I think you also gotta include the um the trade with their with their third round pick. They traded for um Grenard. Uh Jonathan Grenard, yeah, from the Vikings. Thank you. They signed him too. Two-thirds and they paid him. Yeah. Yeah. Two third rounders, and yeah, they gave him a hundred million dollars. Um he's gonna immediately come in and and be a good good player for them on the outside, gonna replace the uh the production that they're gonna miss um with um Oh my god. Damn, it is getting we're getting old.

SPEAKER_03 48:58

I know we all have dementia.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

I know what's the guy who just went to the Panthers injury prone from the Dolphins.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Um they traded for him on this is the dementia pod. No, it's uh oh my god, they traded for him on the traded for him last year at the trade deadline from the Dolphins. What position? Uh the linebacker D end, yeah, the edge rusher. Oh my god, he's on the Panthers. Well, it's right, he's on the Panthers. Hang on. I'm looking at it. It's with the J. It's with the J, right? It's not I I wanted to say Jalen Phillips, but I didn't know. No, it is.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Yeah, yeah, Jalen Phillips. Yeah, you got two. Yeah, they replaced Jalen Phillips uh on the outside uh with Jonathan Gernard.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Yes. I uh where do the Eagles get all this money? That's what I want to know.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

Ace everybody. They just make everything work.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Yeah, big Dom, dude. He's a topo. I like Makon Lemon a lot, but getting rid of AJ Brown kind of helped with Jalen Hurts' struggles, and then they they go smaller at wide receiver. They brought in Wicks from Green Bay, but he's more of a you know third, fourth banana. They bring in Hollywood Brown, they have Elijah Moore. I think they want to totally revamp this offense to be suitable for Jalen Hurts. Side to side, quick stuff. Small ball. Um you beat him eight yards in a cloud of dust with your pass game type thing and get back to grinding the ball out on the ground. So it'll be interesting to see if that works, honestly. But their defense is just fully loaded again. Yeah, they're gonna be they're gonna be really good. Yeah, one of the best uh rosters in the league per always. Uh I had some Eagles fans that weren't high on Lemon, though. We were talking to Brad, honestly. And he was like, sell me on it. And I was like, he could be an Amin and Ra St. Brown type. He seems like kind of a nutcase, but he's a really good receiver.

SPEAKER_04 51:00

Oh yeah, he's the guy who does that weird head motion thing, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

He looks like a snake.

SPEAKER_04 51:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:07

I saw him. Odd guy. I saw him. He could be like a beast or like a Keon Coleman.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

Did you guys see Nick Foles said that he could wear number nine?

SPEAKER_04 51:17

Yeah, I did see that.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

I was like, I didn't know Nick Foles had the.

SPEAKER_04 51:21

Yeah. I was gonna say, it's not a retired number. I was like, I didn't know you needed his blessings. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

I was shocked. I do love that all the players, it's like their college they went to, and then Uar Bernard just says Nigeria.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Like at the NBA dress.

SPEAKER_03 51:37

Uh dude, that dude is a physical freak. Wasting a seventh round pick on him, why not?

SPEAKER_00 51:43

He looks like he needs- never played football, right?

SPEAKER_04 51:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

Yeah. He looks like I mean, his the uh the side by side of his uh his combine versus uh was uh Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett was just insane. Yeah, he's he's gotta learn to move his hips a little bit more. He could go in and be a three T th three technique defensive tackle just with all that power. Um, but yeah, he's gotta learn to to use his body the right way. And they've got time. Like they uh this is what they did um uh a couple years ago, and and I just see them uh see them being able to to to really bring in the right guys to help them learn and and teach you the position.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

Yeah, they really like physical traits here with later picks, like Markel Bell, 6'9, 350, just an absolute mammoth from Miami. Uh Bernard, obviously, Cole Payton. So it feels like you know, their roster is so loaded, why not go take these swings? And then for the Jets, you know, we were talking about them, like they're a team that actually needs players to go start so they went out and potentially got four starters.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

I like we did you guys didn't mention him. VJ Payne from Kansas State, he was mocked going uh day two, probably at the end of the third round, and they got him in the seventh. Uh he's a safety from uh from Kansas State. I think he's gonna he's gonna have a starting position for him.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Yeah, I mean, their team's so bad that it wouldn't shock me if a lot of these guys are playing. Yeah. This is a team that everyone is gonna fall in love with because they're gonna play him on Madden and be like, this seems awesome. Geno Smith, I'm handing off deprece hall.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

That's gonna be me with the Browns this year, dude.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

Oh my god, dude. But Adonai Mitchell, Cooper, Sadiq, people are gonna think this team's a lot better than it is. I forgot they had A.D. Mitchell. They got him this um in March. Their offense on paper should be good. Fun, yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. All right, Will, who else you got for winners?

SPEAKER_00 53:50

I got the Panthers right here at the top. I loved what they did in this draft. Monroe Freeling, the uh the Georgia Tech or Georgia Bulldogs uh tackle. Uh they got him at 19. He's uh he's just a young, untapped potential. He's the guy whose mom was the uh yoga instructor, and you got to see him showing his team, teammates how to uh how to do some yoga stretches. But yeah, he's gonna I think he's gonna be a beast and a staple on the offensive line. Um I like Chris Braswell, who's kind of a uh high upside, but he also has kind of a low floor. He's kind of a boomer bust guy. But uh he's capable of of really going out there and helping him out as potentially the third wide receiver. And uh yeah, and then I really liked the safety out of uh Penn State Zake Wheatley with uh the 151st pick. I think I I thought he fell really, really far. I thought he was the third best safety and uh or fourth best, I guess. Um but yeah, not not too far off. And he's he's really big and and explosive. And yeah, I just I really like what the Panthers did.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

See, I'm kind of shocked by that because free freelan, is that how it's pronounced? Freeling. Freeling. Um one of the best uh draft night uh graphics. Mom is yoga instructor, like as one of his like value adds to the team or whatever. Yeah, but uh he's pliable. Yeah, exactly. That's awesome. But can he play football? Like, I want to know that because I don't think that the Panthers need to know that for sure right now. And then, like you said, there's a lot of bust potential with with uh the receiver they drafted, Brazil. And then like are these guy are are is this a team that's able to go make swings like that? I mean, they're supposed to be better on defense, they bring up brought in a ton of talent, but I think like always this all will fall on Bryce Young's shoulders. Is he any good?

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Brazwell's like six foot three too, so they've got one of the tallest uh receiver rooms to help him out. I thought they probably needed a tight end that they didn't snag, but yeah, no, I I do like this draft a lot.

SPEAKER_03 56:05

Mike, you got any thoughts on the Panthers?

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Not particularly, to be completely honest with you. Don't have a uh in-depth breakdown of them.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

I thought it was a little underwhelming to be honest. But what do I think about?

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Not everybody can have a Raiders type draft. Yeah, exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

I'll say I guess um with a similar Carolina um theme, kind of a down year for Gamecock draft picks. Yeah. We had uh Brandon Sissy in the second round and then Nick Barrett and Jalen Kilgore in the fifth. And as of now, I mean 2027 is supposed to be a pretty massive year for the Gamecocks. So we'll see if uh, yeah, I see three projected firsts as of now. Be interested.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

Well, I'm excited for Lenore Sellers coming back. Everything that could go wrong went wrong for South Carolina last year, and he'll probably be the best quarterback we ever have, honestly. Yeah. Should have made the playoffs two years ago. But hopefully we were looking this year.

SPEAKER_00 57:08

We were looking at the Dylan Stewart.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

I mean, he's looking like a Miles Garrett type guy.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

Yeah, definitely. You know how we were looking at the transfers and stuff? It's just I just continue to see stuff each and every day of guys flipping four and five star guys that are gonna be there next year. So I'm excited for for the game cracks.

SPEAKER_03 57:27

Yeah, I'm very excited. Maybe we'll go to another game this year, we'll get Mike to come this time.

SPEAKER_04 57:33

We'll run it back. I was there at the oldness game.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

No, no.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

This past Oh yeah, you went to you went to LSU. I forgot about that in Baton Rouge.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

That was fun. We played a lot of black.

SPEAKER_04 57:43

Yeah, when I was in fucking Phoenix. I was sweating my ass off in the desert. You guys are having a time of your life in Death Valley.

SPEAKER_03 57:51

Oh, we're the worst food ever. We told you about this, right, Mike. We stopped and got fast food from this place. Do you even remember what it was called, Will? I could find it. It was the worst fast food ever. Like it made us all sick. It was just like it was oh no. Like, do you want it? It was like the oddest number of uh like it was like two fish, one shrimp, one shrimp, chicken or something like that. That's how you ordered it. It was like two fish, uh seven nugget with three shrimp combo, and it's like what laughing at the menu. Yeah, we're like, you have to you'd have to order we can't we can't like they fucked up the chicken tenders. Yeah. Like the chicken tenders were were terrible. Brett ate the fish for some reason. Or waste the fish, yeah. Will ate the fish.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

Yeah, down bad.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

I was like through most of the next morning. Uh-huh. No, no, no. Will woke up and his nose was just profusely bleeding.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

Holy shit. Yeah, we weren't even doing anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

So here we go. Um but now like the blue marlin blue hook, po-boy shrimp, and and wings drive-thru. Yeah. And this is their menu was it was misspelled a lot. It spelled so bad. I'm gonna send you this picture, Mike, because I can't even do it justice. But yeah, it's like two snapper, four wing.

SPEAKER_04 59:34

The classic comedy wings of what? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

Will just ordered miscellaneous fish. Anyway, um what are some other good things that happened in the draft? Uh I liked, I thought the Ravens did pretty good, honestly. They went out and got two receivers that a lot of teams are high on. They might not be number ones by any means, but they can contribute, and that's just kind of what they always have needed in uh Baltimore. And then they got two first-round talent guys in the first to second round. Ione uh the guard from Penn State might be the best player in the draft, potentially. And then Zion Young had a first-round grade as an edge rusher. As always, the Ravens killed it. I mean, Ozzy's Newsom's been here forever, and you always got to trust what they're doing in Baltimore. And this is a team that's trying to load up uh and be a Super Bowl contender after displaying 2025, so, or 2024. What no, 2025? Fuck, we're old.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

Yeah, we're getting old. I was just saying, like, um, with the Ravens, too. I feel like it's not necessarily the draft pick, but the undrafted pick. They brought Diego Pavia in a three-year deal. Talk about an agent, talk about an agent masterclass going from training camp invite to oh yeah, he got a three-year deal. And it's like, okay, that's an unguaranteed undrafted deal. Like, well, it's a spin, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

He didn't have an agent. That was a big knock on him, other than like Yeah, that's when he brought in an agent.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:08

He's like, oh, I can't do this shit. Not like Jalen Hurts.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

I can't have my mom running it or whoever it was. That uh Lamar had his famous mom running it, yeah. But he's Lamar Jackson and you're Diego Pavia. Right. The pictures of him with the rest of the Heisman finalists will always make me laugh, where he's like clearly 5'8.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:30

Well, and the picture of him with Lamar was crazy because I know like Lamar's always gotten knocks for being really small, but then like you see him next to him and he looks like Josh Allen. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:40

But Josh, Lamar's like 6'2. Like he Diego Pavy is like short, probably shorter than me and Will. Yeah. Me and Will are comfortably 5'9.

unknown 1:01:51

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:52

5'10 on a good day.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:56

I only do my measurement in the tallest basketball shoes, but I just got back from space. I I still I still don't forgive them for what they did for the with the Max Crosby deal. Could have gone out and got a receiver.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:10

That's the dirtiest move of the offseason. That's one of the dirtiest moves I've ever seen in the NFL.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

It was terrible. The fact that they lined up Trey Hendrickson on the side, like they they should have lost a draft pick for it. I stand by that. Right. I think that completely sullies the whole, what do they even call it, the whole pre-free agency period legal tampering or the legal tampering? Yeah. But this team should be locked and loaded. And I want Lamar Jackson to have some playoff success. We're a Lamar Jackson podcast. I love him. He's a great player. I think me and Will will probably uh bow out of that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:47

We we both need those playoff appearances back. Yeah, yeah, if it's fair now.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

Will loves Lamar though. I do. I do. He's just he he's a guy that I don't think will be replicated. Even as the quarterbacks get more athletic and stuff, like we we will not have another Lamar Jackson. Um anything else for positives or we want to do negatives?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:08

I've got a few more positives to do them to talk about. We can go kind of quick. Yeah, I like the I like the Buccaneers with Ruben Bain falling to him. He looks super pissed off. You see him go right through the where everybody was trying on the hats with the with the uh with the mirror. He just grabs his hat, all business. Yeah, he's walking out there, he's pissed off. And I I think a lot of teams are gonna be a little regretful that they let him fall so far.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

Um he's a short arms guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

He's a short arms guy. But yeah, I do like the Buccaneers draft. I really like Keontae Scott too, the corner out of Miami. Um he's gonna come in and play some meaningful minutes on the outside for him, and they may sign him to safety, but yeah, he's instinctual and he's a beast. So yeah, I really like the Buccaneers draft. I liked the Bills draft a lot. They they went out and went, got TJ Parker at the end of the first round at Clemson Edge. Or actually w in the second round because they traded out of the uh out of the first round because their guy didn't fall. But yeah, they they got TJ Parker out of Clemson to to come in and be some edge depth for him. And then they they go out and get our guy Jalen Kilgore in the fifth round. Um who was I mean, he had a really nice phone call. You could see he was in in tears, so happy, and he's like, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna make you proud. And uh I I think he's a really, really good player. So if he can stay healthy, he can stay on the field, he's gonna be just a tackling machine for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

So yeah, Bane's draft for him look pretty sick too. Everybody, like his friends and family all in like the matching suits.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

Yeah, I think I like the takes about him too, where it's like he looks straight out of 1985 with like the hairline, the mustache, like this is a Hall of Famer from the 80s.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

Yeah, I and I think that might be where he would be better suited. I think he might be a bust. Oh no, yeah. I just the arms thing. We see it with Will Campbell. What was the non-cabo? No, dude, he had the shortest arms of any player ever drafted in the first round. The measurements, it's dumb, but everyone's big and strong and fast and great when they get to the NFL. I think it matters a little bit. Like Will Campbell is gonna be a great guard, but the reason he's not gonna be a great tackle is because he doesn't have the arm arm line. It's just a thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

He doesn't have the footwork either. And he we saw him, he was good until he got hurt. That's where because they rely on their athleticism when they have smaller arms.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:41

So if Baylor's pretty good, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:44

Playing serviceable playing the worst teams in the NFL. Yeah, but he did his.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:51

Like they talk about the Miles Garrett game where he had five sacks, but only two of those were on Campbell. Campbell only gave up five sacks the whole year.

unknown 1:05:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Not counting the playoffs. Obviously, he got worked in the playoffs. He did get worked in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

He got worked by four straight teams in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

But he also might not have been healthy coming back from that injury. Nobody's healthy in January.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:12

Put us back to like Christmas time and everyone's like, we need Campbell back now. He came back and it's like, all right, he got you know worked, but it's all contextual. I mean, I'm willing to give him a mulligan at least for the first couple weeks of the year. We'll see what Lomu does in camp in the preseason.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:27

But it's all about the athleticism when they have the the short measurables. So and Bane's got the athleticism and he's got the motor. So if he can keep that that that uh that grit that he plays with, I don't think the arms are gonna be a big deal at all. He did look badass going out to the stage.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

Yeah. I will say. Anything else, Will, or we want to go negative?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

One more. Let's talk about the Giants. They uh they had Arvell Reese fall to them at the fifth pick. Um, I thought he could have gone second. I think he was probably the most explosive uh player in this draft. And uh yeah, they can they can line him up at linebacker, they can have him rush the passer in in situations where they may need him. But yeah, I I think that defense is getting even scarier. Um, and I think John Harbaugh is is gonna have a lot of guys to work with because they go out and they they uh pair him with uh what I thought was the best offensive lineman in the draft in um in uh fuck. What's this uh Malwoga or out of Miami? Yes, the Miami tackle.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

But they're moving him to guard, and then they said that they were gonna move Reese to inside linebacker. So you drafted an inside linebacker and a guard fifth and tenth.

unknown 1:07:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

Well, that's something you see now too, because did you see um the Lions had to turn down Jack Campbell's fifth-year option because he would be like the top three paid linebacker in the whole league? So it's like it's not a long-term play getting a linebacker in the first round, but I like the pick. I mean, he's gonna be an instant impact guy. Obviously, the cave shot uh K-Shaw Thibodeau thing is um uh hanging over them with the contract extension. They'll probably have to move him at the deadline, but they have guys. I mean, you're presumably gonna see Abdul Carter break it out this year. You'll have Arvell Reese coming in. And I mean, on a similar positive note, I mean, the Titans taking uh Cardinal Tate at four, that was an early surprise of the night. Cam Ward must be pretty hype. You have Daybull as the OC now, you got a number one target, and then Arvell Reese falls to uh the Giants. So I think it was kind of a win-win for everybody there in the top five.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

Yep. And then I love Colton Hood too, out of Tennessee. He's I heard a story about him, how uh there was a a day where they just had receivers come out and run routes, and and he went out there to to go guard every receiver, and he went for like 45 minutes straight until he had to throw up, gave him a five-minute break, and he went back out there covering every receiver. So yeah. He's he's got the he's got the the drive.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:13

Yeah. So they went defense heavy and they already had some a lot of talent on that defense. And then are we are we is every everybody's just talking about Jackson Dart like he's the second coming? Is he a good quarterback?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

Also, I've seen polarizing takes about him where he's either the second coming or he's gonna be like a JJ McCarthy level boss. So that's a guy I don't want to make any take on until like September hits.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:37

Their offense might be bad. And Jameis Winston might be playing a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:42

Will neighbors be fully healthy and like ready to go? I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:49

But he's got hurt both both years, right? Right. He got hurt pretty early last year, too. Like what, right after that Eagles game that they beat him in?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

He played four games. Yeah. And like immediately blew out uh Za C L. But uh I I'm worried about their offense. But I think I believe in Harbaugh, so maybe they had an awesome draft. Adding three starters on your defense, it's already pretty good. Like, I think they're gonna try to ground teams out or grind teams out on the ground and just play really good defense. Yeah. So we'll see how that works. I mean, Jackson Dart can't take keep getting concussions. That's just the long and the short of it. All right, let's do some negatives. This is where it gets fun. The elephant in the room. Ty Simpson.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

We all know who we're thinking. Yeah, yeah. All right, Mike.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:40

We we already gave our takes. We did a first round breakdown, a super quick one last week. So uh what's your Ty Simpson take? Just terrible, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

I mean, that was like one of the most one of the most shocking picks I've ever seen. Like, I think it was on par with like when uh Atlanta took Panics a couple years ago after signing Kirk Cousins. But like I've seen takes where they're like, oh, Sneed and McVeigh said that uh Kenyan Sadiq and Mikhail Lemon wouldn't be instant impact rookies, so they wouldn't draft him. So you take a developmental QB, and now you have no guarantee that Stafford is even retiring after this year. It makes no sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:16

Not only no guarantee.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:18

The phone call was awful. It was awful.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:20

Yeah, so not even no guaranteed. They're signing him to an extension, and they only had five picks. They got a blessing from Atlanta to get the 13th pick. And they could have they could have added a receiver or something with all of Puka's problems. He had to go to rehab. He's biting women and being anti-Semitic, so like that's that's a problem. Right? I think this was unconscious. It gets worse the more I think about it. And the fact that the GM is like friends with his dad, like who gives a shit? Right. The stories were he made his a guarantee that he'd go in the first or something in like February. Mm-hmm. I just I don't know how you make that pick. Your offensive line's not even that good. There's a ton of linemen in this draft. Yeah. They could have gotten a Ione.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:14

Yeah.

unknown 1:12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:16

That could have gone a bunch of different ways. But I I I think we gotta talk about the the McVeigh story. So obviously he called he called Matt Stafford and was like, uh, so this is who we're gonna pick. Matt Stafford was obviously pretty pissed because he wanted a guy that can help him out. Um so then McVeigh went too far the other way to the press saying, Oh, I just I don't know about this guy. We'll see if he can compete with um Stetson Bennett. With Stetson Bennett, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:49

Our first round rookie comeback has to get award in the backup game.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

Like a guy who's never taken a meaningful snap at his life at the NFL. Oh my god. Who's like 5'10?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

And then in day three, he had to come back because he went so far the other way and be like, well, well, I had a phone call with him, like I'm okay with the pick. It's just a weird situation, all in all. Yeah. Um, I don't like how it went down. But if this is a guy that that Sean McFay believes in, then I mean, how long is it gonna take to for us to um to decide that this was a good pick? Like, how many drives do we need to see of Ty Simpson whenever Matt Stafford retires for us to be like, okay, maybe they made the right decision. What if for me it's like three? If he comes out and he's hooping three drives, I'm like, all right, I was wrong. They were right.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:46

I just I think there's a I I heard there's a disconnect between the front office and McVeigh on this one. That's what everyone was talking about, obviously. That's what we're talking about right now. And you just you still have positions to fill here. I think in three years, if they don't win another Super Bowl, it's already a bad pick. Because you can make that argument that they missed their window. What are the odds that Simpson is in the class of Matthew Stafford?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

I don't think he's in the class of Matthew Stafford, but what if he's I mean, he doesn't have to be that Matt Stafford type. That's why you have Sean McVeigh. He'll compete with Stetson.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:25

Yeah. Is he gonna be a JJ McCarthy level guy?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Like, no, that's a special rare bust.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:33

I think even the team I I thought when they were saying, like, oh, the Cardinals might trade up to like 31-32 to take Simpson and get like the fifth-year option. I was like, that's pushing it. Like, I didn't think he was a first-round guy at all. But in my opinion, I think his best case scenario is this is like a uh Jimmy Garoppolo type deal where it lights a fire under Stafford's ass, they win a Super Bowl, and then like maybe they flip him for a one or two three years from now. But I don't see like a path forward for him starting, especially if Stafford's gonna sign an extension.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

Yeah. No, I I heard a great point where it's also like the best free agent or veteran quarterback available will always want to play with McVeigh. So you don't even need to play that game where you go draft a guy. Also, the Cardinals wanted to trade up and go pick them. Let him. The Cardinals are awful at making decisions. Right. Historically. They got their guy Carson back. Imagine Ty Simpson's we were gonna talk about that. Imagine Ty Simpson starting on the Cardinals this season. It would be so bad.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

I don't want to do that to my brain.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:37

Yeah, brissett, he's gonna light up the stat sheet and win zero games.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:42

I don't think he's even brissett level at this point. And uh, we've seen it with the guys that have the one-year starter, starting experience, the Mitch Trubiskys, and uh, it never works out. The median is like 30 games started or something for successful quarterbacks. Like, look at Kirk Cousins. I don't know why it popped in my mind, but he was like a years-long starter at Michigan State. Like those guys work out in the NFL. An undersized, not freakishly athletic guy like Ty Simpson. Like, I just I don't think it's gonna do it. I don't I don't think it's gonna do it for the Rams. And I think you know, they're gonna be drafting uh a guy in like four or five years. It's like he can he's gonna compete with Ty. Like he's gonna be the new Stetson. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:27

So the worry is that Stafford can't stay healthy next year. We he was able to stay healthy all last year. That was our our big thing with the Rams all offseason was if Stafford could stay healthy, this guy's the limit. But we we honestly didn't see him making it past week six. And he did. So I think there there's still a lot of worry there, and and I don't know. I I think Sean McFay can can turn him into a serviceable quarterback.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

Yeah. I mean, I I the Rams didn't have a lot of picks, but if they could have traded out of that, got more capital, that would probably have been nice. But they draft a tight end in the second round. They have a stacked tight end room, is even gonna be able to make the roster. I didn't like their draft at all. Let's talk about the Cardinals. Yeah. So we're talking about them. Jeremiah Love, I'm so sorry. Yeah, sign a bunch of running dacks and then draft one at three. Like, give me a break. It was it was just the Cardinals doing Cardinals things. Jacoby Brissett is refuses to play for this team for five million dollars. I don't blame them. I never would want to either. Their coach is the younger LaFleur couldn't crack it as the Jets OC. Right.

unknown 1:17:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:49

But like I I told you uh on draft night, I was like, they do need like, you know, they need playmakers, they need some like electric talent, and like maybe love can fill that. Like, but you know, Marvin Harrison Jr., they advertised him as like a generational receiver. He sucked. He's going into a break make or break year. Yeah. You don't have a whole lot going on. Michael Wilson, Tyler Algier and Michael Wilson. Oh, yeah, I do like Michael Wilson a lot. I think he's a lot better than Marvin Harrison.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:19

That's true. McBride's a great tight end. He was the number one fantasy tight end last year.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

He's awesome. Uh they got Basantis from Texan M. I kind of wanted him to fall to the Raiders pick.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:31

I love that pick. He was a first round graded guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:35

Yeah, he's he's probably gonna be really good for them. But Carson Beck, everyone agreed that that was a reach. Yeah. The first pick of the third round.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:42

You just said guys that get guys that played a lot of games in in college. Doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna be good, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:49

I mean, he's just he's stiff and he's uh what was all the talk about him? He's a loner, nobody likes him, he's a perv. He shit the bet I mean against Indiana, yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:04

On a national stage last year. He what? He shit the bet. I mean, that's just that was the Carson Becky.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:12

Yeah. That was an awful interception. That's that's gonna be his career with the Cardinals. But they're not gonna be in the championship. But yeah, it should be like Witherspoon picking them off instead. You know, real, real guys making his lunch. Exactly. Uh, any more negatives you got, Will?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:33

I got a couple more. I did not like the Vikings picks. No. We talked about Caleb Banks already. Um, a freak of a of a size player and an athlete, but he's he's coming off of several uh, I think foot and ankle injuries. Never good. Yeah, is he's never quite why don't they have a GM? Do they not?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:56

Well, they yeah, he left right after the draft. Like when they announced they were firing him a couple months ago, and he's like, all right, bye, like two days after the draft. Like, why do you keep him around?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:06

No, I completely agree. Like, you gotta bring in a guy because uh that's what I was reading about is that when the GM has no power or there is no GM, really, then the coaches just fall in love with guys in meetings and tape, and they don't actually draft the way GMs are supposed to, and that's why you have the two different departments. It's what Bill Belichick did, right? It's why he was really bad at drafting at the end. Right. And so that the Goldie the Golday, Goldie, whatever guy is supposed to be really good, but yeah, they had a weird draft and nobody was high on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:38

Yeah. Yeah, I I actually do like the the Golday pick from the from the Bearcats. He's uh he was a guy that I was looking at a lot to potentially fall to us late in the second. He's got the athleticism, but he's got an improvement some some anticipation and instinct stuff. So strong depth, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:01

Kyler Murray Vikings.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

We'll see how it goes. Yeah. I mean their defense should be good, but they still have flores and pieces.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

Murray will start 10 games, but McCarthy starts seven, dude. I don't think it's gonna be a great year for them.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:22

Yeah. No, they they fuck they fucked themselves over really hard by getting rid of Sam Darnold. They took the risk. I mean, how fast did we realize JJ McCarthy was uh just a complete scrub?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:34

That was one of the fastest week two.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:38

That was one of the fastest busts ever. Yeah, they beat the bears, they had that comeback. Then yeah, Falcons 22 to 6 on Sunday night football. He was awful. Yeah, they beat the Lions, he was awful against the Ravens, awful against the Bears. Oh, they did that fake injury. Remember when he missed uh two months because it was like a concussion? And somehow he missed two months? Some sort of injury. Yeah, Vikings might be in a bad spot. And they have no third receiver. I just heard from the jump after that knee injury in 2024. It was over before it began. Yeah. But they have no third receiver. You look at their roster, it's like I'm gonna read some names to you guys. I I've never heard of any of these guys. Ty Felton, Sashawn Jones, Miles Price, Dante Fleming. These are guys out of like uh, you know, any given Sunday. Playing on like the the Dallas Red Hawks or something, because they don't have the NFL licensing licensing. All right. Who else as well?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:56

I didn't love the Niners draft. A lot of people are kind of coming back and saying that uh Dean Stribling pick from Mississippi was good. I wasn't a big fan of him. Um he's a great blocker and he's got good good hands and he's physical, but yeah, I I thought they could have used that pick better for uh for their team. They they just don't seem to add a whole lot of depth.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:22

They have receivers.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

Yeah, exactly. Or they add depth in the wrong spots. Um yeah, we saw their their offensive line and defensive line falling apart last year, and they drafted a a smaller edge from Texas Tech and Romelo Height. Funny his name is Height. Um Yeah, and then and then they really didn't get guys until till day three.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:45

But they but they said like everyone said that Kalen Black like wasn't even really like he might have been an undrafted running back guy from Indiana. They drafted him. How many running backs are they gonna draft in the third and fourth round? Yeah you know, reaching on stribling, just like a weird, weird draft. And then they got very defensive in the press conference when they got asked about reaching.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:09

They were like, oh, everybody loves him, like everybody wants uh, you know, they're all trying to trade up. If we traded back to like 45, we wouldn't get him. I don't know. I don't I saw him as like a late second round guy from like projections, but be interesting. I saw Tate saying he'd be better than DK Metcalf, which I think is a little bit of a reach, yeah, at the least.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:30

Yeah. And they traded down and they could have gotten like Lomu or tackle because Trent Williams is old. Just some depth on offensive defensive line, like Will's saying. Ephesians prize sock, that's probably the best name in the draft. Whoa. Yeah, it's a great name. Yeah. But they they're a really, you know, top-loaded roster that gets hurt a lot. Yeah. And they're kind of in the same spot. I'm curious to see if they can get anything for Mac Jones this offseason. If someone gets hurt, maybe like an indie or maybe Atlanta. Oh, Atlanta. Can we talk about Atlanta would be a fun play? I thought Atlanta was drafting for like vibes. Avion Terrell to play with his brother. Zachariah Brandt, because he went to Georgia.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:24

They weren't working with much either with their trades. Like, no, and they I mean they won't be working with much next year either. I mean, what they got Harold Perkins late. Yeah. That was one of those guys who's like very early 2026 mock draft from like December 2024 and be like, this is a top 15 guy. It's like it doesn't always work out that way, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:47

No, and did they cut what's his face? No, James Pierce. No, he's still on the roster.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:54

No, he he will be serving like a six-game suspension and coming back. They gave him like the biggest sweetheart deal imaginable.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:01

Wait, I didn't see that. He already got the key.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:05

He only has to do six months of pretrial diversion, and they're gonna drop all the charges on him.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:10

No way, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:11

He must have had a great lawyer. He had his girlfriend, the cops all agreed. The cops that he like hit with his car.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

He went on a GTA run. Literally. What? I mean, they're in hell because Penix Tua is just leaving a lot to be desired. Trevor Simeon, shout out to him for being on the roster. He's gonna stop. Shout out for him for being in the league. That's what I mean, dude. He's like 34, yeah. God damn. But yeah, I think the Falcons, I mean, they have a lot of talent and it's not gonna mean anything, unfortunately. I do kind of like Zachariah branch fitting into that offense. But they have bad quarterbacks, bad left-hand quarterbacks. All right. We didn't talk about Dallas, but I did like their draft. I know we're in bad stuff, but great value. The downslide was pretty nice, but yeah, I mean, I think he was kind of their crown jewel. I thought Malachi Lawrence was a good pick for them, and then they go get another edge rusher in the third round. And then even another one in the fourth. Like, why not? Just go get guys. See if one of them can, or all three of them together, can put in Micah Parsons production, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:23

Right. Did you see um that clip of like the morning of the draft where Jerry Jones was doing like the press conference and Bill Clinton walked in and he like stood up to run and like tried to trip or whatever? Yeah. I did not see that. What? Yeah, like Bill Clinton like popped up to like Jerry Jones' pre draft press conference, and Jerry got so excited that he almost fell over.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:49

That's ridiculous. I gotta watch that video. Uh Will, what else you got?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:55

Uh CTE is a big loser this draft. Um, I have uh I have an audio clip from the Buffalo Bills announcer. So uh yeah, here you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:07

He was hammered pick in the 2016 draft. I remember that. Lineback DJ Parker from Clemson.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:20

Yeah, he looks bad. 35th pick in the 2016 draft.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:27

Talk about the dementia pod, yeah. I remember watching that and I was like, oh, that's tough. Because Goodell went out with a bunch of those guys and made the picks with them just standing there, and I was like, maybe they saw that guy and they were like, we're not doing this again. I mean we've already paid out enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:44

Goodell always trying to go out and not get booed. So he thought he brought out TJ Will.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:49

He's been getting the open bar in the green room for the last two hours. He's ready to make the pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:56

Yeah. Uh that was funny. Um I like Sonny Styles to Washington. They didn't do a whole lot else.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:07

They needed that. I mean, their linebacking core has been the crypt of the last couple of years. Just ancient dudes.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

100%. Um, I don't really have much else. You got any more funny ones, Will?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:22

I'll take some funny. Proctor for uh Miami, the defensive tackle, or not defensive, the offensive tackle from Alabama.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:32

The guard now. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:34

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:35

I I don't know. They already said they're like, oh, he's gonna be the starting guard. Um he's gonna be bad, dude. Like he was projected going into the year as like top five, and his like work ethic is so bad. And now they're like, oh yeah, bring him to Miami. I'm like, oh, I'm sure that's gonna go great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:51

Isaiah Wilson alert. The fact that Saban came on and was like, don't take your eyes off of him. Cause uh yeah, he's gonna blow up like a balloon. He can't keep his weight under under wraps. Like he's 350 plus, 6'7, and yeah, I think they drafted him a bit too high with the 12th pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:10

Mike saw me doing the 6'7 hands, I believe. Um, but uh no, I I my favorite stat from him was five carries for 16 yards or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:21

Yeah, I mean, you know an O lineman's gonna be bad when it's like, oh, you gotta look out for him in the passing game. It's like, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:29

They they do need receivers. Felt like there was better quicker. We can play the X for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:34

Yeah, yeah. That is true. Dude, imagine you know, Christian Gonzalez on him. It's gonna be a mashup.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:43

I feel like uh Christian Gonzalez is gonna get landed on again.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:48

Oh no, crushed. Another torn labor from out for year. Yeah, no, just out for year, crushed. That's why you're not getting paid, Guns.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:58

Uh yeah, Chris Johnson felt like there's better corners they could have maybe picked for the pick they traded for Waddle. I like Jacob Rodriguez, though. But they drafted the best pick. Did they draft the most guys this year? Five 13 draft picks. I mean, they need it. Let's get somebody on that uh dreadful roster. I think they might be the worst team in the league this year, just eyeballing it right now. Obviously, we'll learn a lot more, but Malik Willis in in this on this team, not gonna look like it did in Green Bay. And then if he gets hurt, we have already seen what Cam Ewers is capable of. Yeah, I mean I don't need to see any more viewers ever. No, their receiver room is just dreadful. Malik Washington, Jalen Tolbert, and Caleb Douglas, their third round rookie. Two two Awell, Chris Bell, Kevin Coleman. When they get Cam Miller, the guy we drafted in the sixth round last year. I don't remember that happening. But their offensive line is bad, their defense is bad. Don't sleep on Storm Duck, though. That's what I always say. Best name, yeah. Yeah, one of the best names for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:20

Um, but yeah, no, that's maybe they can bring back Kalen Balage. What's he up to?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:24

They're gonna need him this year, dude. They yeah, they might be the team where it's like 95 players have played for the Dolphins this season. Something like that. Taking a snap. Um do we like what the the Saints did at eight?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:44

An injury riddled career, but potentially the best receiver talent-wise? I don't know. They compared him to Odell Beckham, and then it's like, what happened to Odell Beckham?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:57

Yeah. I don't know. They drafted Bryce Delp, I mean the third. Bryce Lance. He's Trey Lance's brother, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:05

Yeah. Yeah. I heard he's fast. Really fucking fast.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:11

Yeah, I remember hearing a lot about Trey Lance being really athletic too. So we'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:16

Exactly. We'll see how it translates to the NFL. But they drafted four offensive pass catchers, and you gotta think that they're just trying to get anything around Shuck because they know Shuck's the real deal. Yeah. So kind of makes sense where they went.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:32

A lot of it, I feel like, just hinges on how healthy Olave is gonna be. If he's healthy, I mean, Tyson should have like a fairly chill ease in, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:45

Will's guy, I mean, that's a big if, like 100%. Yeah, and Tyson. So they have two guys now that are injury history concerns. Will's guy, Bub Means. Oh, yeah, I do like Bub.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:57

1920s baseball player exactly. Yeah, pre Bub Means put up 200 RBI this year.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:07

Pre-uh integration for sure. Um yeah, I think that's about it. Uh we didn't talk about the the Chiefs at all, but underwhelming first round after trading their best cornerback. Peter Woods, it's like, oh, he's an undersized defensive tackle.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:30

I've come back around on on Delane. I think that was since since I didn't know all that stuff about um about uh the guy that you guys got. Shoot uh Mc McCoy. I didn't I he was by far and away the best corner in this draft. You move up to six to go get him just so no one else can snag him. I think that was a great, great move by them. I really like R Mason Thomas from Oklahoma, the edge rusher. Um do you know why his name is R Mason?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:59

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:00

That's his first name. It's because uh apparently his family all they all have R names, and his mom was like, I want to carry on this tradition, but I like the name Mason better, so we're just gonna do R Mason.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:12

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:15

I figured it was like Mason was his middle name, and his first name was like Robert or something. No, he's doing like the old school like R Mason.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:24

R Mason. That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Sounds like an author. Yeah, exactly. He's a good player. Yeah, like a female female author. It doesn't feel like they'll get the respect because they're a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they always do. That's why J.K. Rowling did that, I think. Yeah. Is that not her legal name? JK.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:51

I didn't know if her name was like Joanne Rowling or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:55

No, no, no. But Jay, it is her legal name, but she did JK because women get less respect. I was it was a joke, but like did I think they do do that. But we're not Jay. Oh, her name actually is Joanne, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:07

Joanne Kathleen.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:09

I clopped it. Yeah, how did you note that? How many women's names do we go with Jay? Like Josephine? Enough. Uh Jessica. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:20

Mike's a big J.K. Rowling guy, but nothing to do with her work.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:30

Jesus Christ. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:32

No, I like Tab's sword to light too. Uh yeah. Well, like he had a foot-in-mouth moment too, right after the draft. Do you see where he's like, oh, I wanted to play for the Chiefs. I didn't think they would take me when they moved up. I thought I was going at nine. Huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:47

Weird. I missed that.

unknown 1:36:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:50

Yeah. He's like, even he didn't think he was going higher than nine.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:54

He's a beast. He is a he's a true number one. Apparently, the commanders really liked him, so maybe they would have picked him. They definitely have a need there, even though I like that they got styles. I think that fits really well. This team, this team has a lot of holes. I have to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:08

I like the Nussmeyer pick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:10

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:11

Yeah. Seventh round. Fell all the way. I think he's I think he's better than Carson Beck. I think he's better than a lot of other quarterbacks that went before him.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:21

I agree. Yeah, I mean, literally, they were starting a Ludican in December.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:26

I mean, is it a Ludakin or Oladukin? Oladukin. I think it was Alodokin. I think that was Alodokin uh stands crying after Fields and Nusmeier go there, but maybe they'll keep him around on a practice squad. I don't think they should rush Mahomes back.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:44

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:45

Nor do I. I think that would be a bad decision, honestly. I don't think this team's gonna be great. But you know, people have counted out the Chiefs before.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:54

Well that's what I was saying last year, because like they were like, oh, if Mahomes didn't get hurt, they would have got that wild card spot. And it's like they would have lost the game he got hurt in and been eliminated from the playoffs in the same game. Yeah. Like it would have made no difference. The injury just added insult to injury, literally, but yeah. And they reversal it, like yeah, yeah, added added injury to insult. But yeah, no, that's just stunk, dude. Everybody kept the defense was terrible. They drafted horribly since 2020. They have the same deal. I've said it a few times, but like they've had the same deal the Paps had late in the dynasty, where it's like they cannot draft for shit in the first two rounds, and then they make up for it with like mid to late round guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:34

Yeah, that's why I'm concerned about uh the Peter Woods pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:38

What's Steelix like Zomo DK up to now? I mean, he was what, their first round pick like two years ago? I think he's not on the I don't even think he's on yeah, I don't even think he's on the roster now.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:49

Yeah, but no, they they fell apart because like everybody's like, oh, they're gonna turn around. They had that three-game win streak um to get to five and three, and then they lose to Buffalo, they lose to Denver in a tight one, they beat the Colts, everybody's like, all right, they're back at like six and five, and then lose to Dallas on Thanksgiving, got remember that Texans game? That was one of my favorite bets of the year last year. I think it was in Kansas City, and the Texans were like three and a half point dogs. Bet him straight up and they demolished him. And then he gets hurt the next week. But that team stuck, dude. You know, I'll never forget betting on the Raiders in that 14-12 win when they started Shane Bouchell against Aiden O'Connell the last week of the season, and Carlson had to hit a 60-yard field goal to win the game. It was ridiculous. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:45

I think I think getting Peter Woods in the room with Chris Jones could help a lot. I think they're such different players. Chris Jones is a man is like a monster of a man. Yeah. I mean, there was talks that Peter Woods was g would go top ten in this draft before the the the entire Clemson team fell apart last year.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:04

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:05

So there's hope, but yeah, they went four picks on defense for a reason. And yeah. Spaggs is a phenomenal coach, so I I I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:18

Yeah, they maybe they'll pick up one of those veterans still hanging around.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:25

Yeah, there's still that's true. There is still a lot of guys still available that they can they can go get.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:32

Yeah, I guess Felix uh Anaduke Uzama is still on the team, like Bam.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:38

Yeah, your guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:42

That's my guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:45

Uh we got uh we got anything else about the draft? Any other surprises? Kind of covered it.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:53

Who was Mr. Irrelevant this year?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:56

Oh, I remember he had a cool name. Red Murdoch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:03

It's like a like a sea captain.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:05

Yeah. See, I was thinking like old timey newscaster. Oh, that's that's probably because of like uh Rupert Murdoch, but yeah. Red Murdoch with the evening evening news. Yeah. That was all in all, it was fun. And it was nice to have a little bit of football in April, I will say. Yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah. Two more months till training camp. Mm-hmm. This is the quiet time of the year. I mean, I'm sure we'll be around to do stuff here and there, but really looking forward to the summer and all these teams coming together, seeing what late offseason acquisitions happen. Obviously, AJ Brown trade that's gonna be a big one. Maybe we'll have you back on to talk about that, Mike. Oh yeah. Um Victory Lap. That's in July, right? June 1st. June 2nd. Oh, yeah, June, June 1st, June 2nd. It has to be after June 1st, or his dead money is stupid. That's why I didn't go in the draft.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:05

Yeah. And to everyone who wants a 2027 pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:11

Yeah, exactly. But uh yeah, that's the podcast. Thanks for listening, y'all. We love you out there. Uh, thanks. Always good to have you on, Mike. Of course, my pleasure. Happy to hear your voice. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I'm getting there from Moss.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:26

I missed this mark.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:30

Mike will be uh exiting stage left, never seen or heard from again. A big big shepherd hook coming out. I I'm thinking uh Kamal's uh what is it, Kamal Khashoggi? Um dismember burn you in the acid and put you down the the drain, Mike. Uh uh that we're laughing, but that did happen. Anyway, we're crazy brought up there. From me, Cole Smithson, the locksmith from Slick Willie Will. I'd felt the one who's waiting podcasting. From all of you out there. Oh, nope, sorry, from the Dwayne train. Michael Duane, and from all of you out there to make the podcast. I know. All right, peeps. All of you out there to make the podcast especially. Thank you. Peace. Peace. Uh, you know, you can see that.