Iconic Seasons Off Season - The Road to Incubus Pt. 1

The Anxious Rambler has her own feed but I am posting one final episode to encourage anyone interested to subscribe. I am contributing as a producer and sometimes co-host. The voice is all her own. This episode is a dose of nostalgia as we prepare for a throwback concert. Incubus and Morning View fill the rearview and now the road ahead.   

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Transcript

 Welcome to episode four of the anxious rambler. This is going to be the first episode on the anxious rambler feed. So we've done the previous three episodes on the iconic seasons feed. And as per usual, very anxious rambler E, uh, been trying to get Cassie to set up the  email address so that we can put this feed out there on its own because it stands on its own.

It has, it's an original idea. And I'm excited that it lasted past the first three because it's like 50 percent of podcasts that fail after three episodes to the fact that you're making it to four is, is an accomplishment and this was on a whim. It was very impromptu, no outline really for this one at all.

I know. You've made me very anxious.  But you like to have organized outlines and I'm fine with just having a conversation. I do. Uh, yeah, I've found, I'd say from my experience, , podcasting that that is my preferred style. Not that that, that you have to do that. I think there are a lot of incredible podcasts that, , can be different.

And originally a lot of the ones that I liked were very conversational.  But isn't this literally what I said I was afraid the podcast would be though, like maybe a rough idea, but then I would just start rambling because I can't handle an outlier. I know. I'm glad it's your brain squirrels all of the time.

This is perfect. That's the way it becomes yours and not mine.  So what you got for me tonight?  You want me to start?  You have the ideas. I, so I can, I can at least describe some of the things that we talked about. So we've got a upcoming concert that we're going to, that you're very excited about. You were so excited that it took over our lives for a little while and much like our previous podcasts on the nineties and the greatest singers, uh, and Daniel John's silver chair week for a while.

We haven't even.  Dove in on, I've had an idea to include Daniel Johns as like a front runner of the podcast, but I'm taking that idea very seriously. And I want to do justice to all of those people that I talk about. And the last like month at work has been so busy and time consuming when I haven't been in the headspace to give my time to that as I have wanted to.

So.  I thought that was going to be the next one and then three weeks passed. So we had to throw one out and  may as well. Well, it syncs up because of what we're two weeks out from going to see  incubus.  I think the first time I thought about incubus,, since  My run with them in like 2001 to 2003 was when we saw Brandon Boyd on our, one of our favorite TV shows, reservation dogs, white Jesus.

He is white Jesus. They humorously  referred to him that he's a, he's a homeless person in Los Angeles. Come to find out, come to find out. Yes. But he has the, I guess, You know, what you would say is the imagined clothing of Jesus. Cause we don't, no one knows what he actually dressed. Dressed in, yeah, the imagined wardrobe.

The sandals, the white robe. Yeah, exactly. Tall and thin. Yeah, and he's white. Shaggy hair. Right. Yeah. White Jesus. Yeah. Hence the name.  Yeah. So we started talking about incubus then. And I, I don't know. No, if you knew just how into incubus I know I did not we we had talked about it Yeah, I'm talking about music, but you're into a lot of bands though.

So yes, and I  Specific history of the right you this I tend to I'll listen to a lot of music and a lot of bands but there will always be someone as Like a front runner During that time and incubus consumed  A few years of my life. And it's interesting too, because, , it'll be a band like Incubus. I didn't really listen to any other bands that sounded like them and,  listen to them all of the time.

So I almost only list only listened to Incubus solely for  a period of time as well, like no other bands. Hardly. Wow. That's surprising for you. I did not during that time. I didn't expect that. We're talking like my senior year of high school, junior year, some, but senior year as well. And my junior and senior year of high school, I devoted so much time to school. 

I was so worried about like, I specifically wanted to get into one college and one college only. I didn't even want to apply anywhere else, but.  Was of course by my guidance counselor talked into applying to at least three schools or like two backup schools. Wise guidance counselor.  And so I made sure I busted it my junior year.

And then I also was very into track and set big goals for myself.  And  the group of female friends did not listen to incubus or music that much. So I, and I set it up for us a little bit. I don't think I cared for their music, set it up for us a little bit.

Cause what year is it? What would you describe?  Cause this band specifically, I think has held on to a lot of its fans as you're an example of, however, this, their sound has changed pretty dramatically from where it started within, within like a, even like a four or five year period, it changed quite a bit.

So give me a, so get set us up at least the initially, what are you talking about? What do they sound like? What year is it?  So I, the, the first, I, I think the first album that I might've heard was Science.  And that came out in 1997. I probably heard it in 1997, but I  didn't realize. I think that my friend Spelly told me that,  You need to see what they look like, , because you'll like lead singer and that's all he needed to say. 

And then si between, between like science and, and make yourself.   I don't know if there were any music videos out from like in rotation on MTV, but then when Make Yourself came out like, pardon me  and I that I was done. So, it was around, like, 1999 that I was fully in.  And they had a very different look then, too, which was kind of interesting for this band, because they've had also different looks along the way.

So, before White Jesus, uh, they looked very different. I started with the Brandon Boyd that had just shaved his head.  So he had dreads before that. Okay. So he had just shaved his head and then then it began to grow. And then he had the shaggy hair, like 2000, 2001, which was the look  at that time. But my, like, I think my high, my high school friends were listening to like Dixie chicks and  whatever was on 96 STO, which is like, Pop music countdown.

So TLC. Yeah. Well, I was kind of middle school for me  elementary school middle school  but um, but my high school boyfriend they were like into  Like went from like grunge to alt metal and like they liked corn and system of it down and so they liked early incubus and then Transcription But they continued to listen to them.

So when they started to kind of shift from that, like funk metal to like  alt metal, like kind of blurring the lines of funk metal, alt metal, I got into it as well. So those that my group of guy friends were not in the same group as my female friends. They were a year older than me. The boys were.  So,  yeah, so I was, um, yeah.

Science and Make Yourself and then, uh, going into, like, my, I had  heard some of Morning View  before it was released, but that Is this the, did it come out after Make Yourself then? Mm hmm. It was Fungus Among Us, Science, Make Yourself. And then Morning View. I think you're skipping over Make Yourself a little bit too.

Cause it was like, it was huge, right? No, I'm not. Make Yourself was 19. 99. No, I know, I'm just saying like, , going straight to Morning View, like, how, how big, like, was it a situation where, you were like, oh, I like Incubus, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, everyone likes Incubus. No, I, I,  Because you got into it right before they got huge.

Right around here. No. Oh, even make yourself people didn't know. Oh no. Only my group of guy. 

 And those guys,  that group of guys, like my high school boyfriend and his friends, they were like skaters and snowboarders and you know, so they were Southern Indiana snowboarder.

Oh, I went through a phase. I only shopped like deal deal. Yes. Magazine. And, uh, at Pacific Sun where, so my girlfriends, some of them teased me a little bit when I went through a JNCO space.  Yeah, they're back. That's all right. I still wear big jeans. Yeah, they did come back. Who knew I was always ahead of the trend  but uh, yeah, so I When make yourself came out I  Had listened to some of science.

I didn't go back to fungus among us until make yourself when I became like Incubus is my favorite band. I got to see them when I was a junior in high school, but I, I 19, nine, yes, 2000, but morning view hadn't come out yet. So make yourself came out in 1999. But, um, yeah, so I got to, my mom let me go. I was a junior in high school.

I played in Louisville. So it's the Yum center now. I can't remember what it was.  And, uh, I  can't remember who all played. It could have even been like, cause I remember seeing Korn and Rob Zombie as well. So I think it might have been those three. Wow. Yeah. Quite a pairing. Yeah, but I had to sit, I got to take a friend, Emily with me, but she was dating my cousin Aaron.

So, Emily was a cheerleader.  So she got to sit with me. We had to sit in seats. It was all general admission, even the seats  and they weren't very full because everybody wants to be on the floor moshing.  So, and then I  went to a warp tour in the summer, like on the lawn and got to see them and then, yeah, we're going then into my, my freshman year of college.

So fall 2001 Morning View came out. And, , Emily was actually my roommate freshman year and  we, , we obviously had very different tastes in music and everything all around, but we'd known each other for a very long time. And, , you know, the room was like, you could clearly tell two totally different girls were sharing that dorm room.

And I got a, like a wall size. It was like six foot by four foot incubus poster  and  asked her, like, I'm going to ask you, but it is going up on the wall. So I had that up and then I had a couple of other, photos and it was  Maybe like the first or second day after moving in the dorms there was a we all had dry erase boards on the outside of our doors and  there was an   in like someone had written a note on it that said You like incubus I love incubus rachel room You know whatever room she was in and so I went down to her room because I'd found a girl who liked Incubus as well, right?

And no friends at home that did. I had to always, like, listen to it with the guys.  And they were They're not, like, the hardest rock band in the world, which is kind of interesting. Yeah.  And I think they were, it was just a little too like funky and alt and strange. And then by morning view it kind of became more like soft rock, alt rock.

Did you feel like that they were selling out? No.  No, I honestly really describing a rock band at some points in the 90s as soft rock would have been an Morning view. I I'm talking about like all there were no, I understand. I don't think they're a soft rock band I think that album like kind of blurred all of those lines like there's like Jazzy sounds to their music There's like some techno sounds too of it because they have the DJ as well So, yeah, I'm saying Morning View as an album kind of just blurred all of those lines and I I think that that  Seemed to fit who like these guys from California that were like  Can I say pot smoking?

I don't know what TOS is. Seems appropriate, yeah. You know, like, there's surfers from California, and, , like, just seem like happy guys having fun, and, and we got to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff. Stuff with Morning View and like just kind of goofy and there's a whole, there was a whole lead up to it.

So I, in my own way, got into incubators probably with this album. And I had seen the songs from make yourself. And Dig was really big. I was learning to play guitar. What's that? Oh no, sorry. What is it? Dig is ,  Light Grenades. Oh, , Drive? Drive, yeah, sorry. Drive, I was learning to play that on the guitar. 

Obviously not well since I can't remember the name. Dig is one that I really like. It's a good song too. I think I was singing it last night maybe. That's probably why it's in my head. Yeah. But I started to get into like the major songs of them. And then  So by the time, but I didn't go back, I actually, because by the time I'd gotten into those songs, the lead up to this album was coming out and they did a really good job for me with the marketing of it in the behind the scenes.

I'd always dreamed of going to California. Morning View. They lived in a mansion in Malibu, which was, looked fantastic. I mean, what a, I mean, I don't think that anybody who really loves music, uh, would not want the experience of living in a mansion in Malibu and making an album with their friends. Like, that seems like a really good, it seems like a great thing.

Fun thing to do. Like, I'm in. Yeah, I think it's fun to watch  people play instruments as well, because you got to see how talented they are. Yeah, that's good as well.  Um, I think there wasn't. I feel like it's so there's so much behind the scenes now. Yeah. That  was super rare. Well, it  Like we didn't have the internet either to like watch so many things.

So it was so exciting. Not just rare, but it felt more authentic. I feel like because everyone, especially celebrities or musicians, tape themselves and are being taped all the time, that I don't know when they're them. If that makes sense. Or maybe that is them, but it feels so much more polished. Whereas the behind the scenes stuff back in the day was just a little looser and goofier and more, again, more authentic for, you know, I'm repeating myself, but I think that's how it felt to me.

Yeah. Oh, let's also,  um, to the first couple of days of college, just to show how obsessed I was with Incubus. I did not have, um,  instant messenger. That's AOL instant messenger. And so whenever we were all meeting each other on, we were in the forest, a West tower  and all of the forest, a West girls that we were for a seven a is what we called the floor.

Like I'm in for a seven a and um, yes. And um, Yeah, everyone was like, oh, what's your AIM? What's your I am name? What's your I am name? And I was like, what's I am? Because my parents didn't I they had a computer but it was like dial up and everyone shared it and I didn't really use it you know and So someone helps me get set up and they're like you have to have a screen name And so, you know, I'm trying to put Cassie in and it's like this name is taken.

She's another name and I was like, oh  I don't know. I don't, I know. I don't know. Like Cassie Hoosier. I don't know. Cassie H. No, this is all new to me. And I was like, well, I,  what, what do you like identify with that? Like go with your name? Like, are you like  Cassie? B ball Cassie. And I'm like, um, I like incubus.

So my instant messenger name was IncuCass. Classic. And I be, I  came to be known on  Forest 7A West as IncuCass. So you're like, Kobe, you gave yourself your own nickname. Yeah. I'd get off the elevator to go to the room or You know, and I'd hear  INCUCAS and then I'd be like, yeah, and it would be someone on my floor so  I have to  Give a shout cuz if if we go down a rabbit hole music in the early 2000s that I know I mentioned that Rachel left that note on my dry erase board, but  The second week of school we moved in on a Wednesday So the, not like two days later Friday, but the following Friday Incubus was playing at the Egyptian room in Indianapolis.

Okay. And, wow, just thinking about seeing them at the Egyptian room right now just blew my mind. But, um, I had tickets like for quite a while to go to that with my like then high school boyfriend, I think. I imagine that's probably who I went with. And, um,  Rachel had told me she was going with Ana who also was on our floor and she went to high school with, but it was not her roommate.

And so I had met on Ana seemed quiet to me then, but come to find out Ana was just high  all the time. So, uh, so we went,  to that show. I don't even know if it was on a Friday. I think it was a school night, actually. Maybe like a few days into the next week. And I got back and there was a message on my board.

Come talk to me tomorrow, Anna. And that was it. And Anna became  my very best friend, my partner in all things Incubus.  And it's been 23 years and Ana and I get to see them together again. You're back. In two weeks, yeah. So, yeah. Um, Ana and I saw them 11 times after that night. Okay, so we're going to put a pin in that.

We're going to come back to that. But what made you want, because I think that part of the idea is to document some of this experience, and seeing them again, because this is, there's a unique thing in your bands from, your youth sticking around and persevering in their own ways. So what makes them though resonate with you still  so much so that you want to go see them in concert?

Pay the amount for our tickets to go see them. Exactly. Yes. Because you know, there is the, you know,  the  new band  excitement that you have when you first discover a band and when they're young. And they, they capture something, but it's not every band that you stick with. There's a lot of bands I'm sure you can rattle off that you're like, yeah, I don't know if I want to go see them live.

I mean, if you, if you happen to see them, you'd be fine, but you're not going to seek them out. My brain's firing off so many things. So,  so hang in for this.  for this journey because there's probably gonna be a bunch of exits and hop, hopping back on to the main highway of  this. What am I about to say? So,  I, while I started listening to Incubus  in high school, I do not associate them with high school.

I associate them with  my first like year and a half of college and Anna and Um, that my freshman year of college was, I have a few points in my life where I can say were like some of the best times of my life or times when I really felt like, oh my gosh,  this is the person that's been buried deep down inside of me my whole life.

And, I shouldn't say my whole life, I feel like I was the person that I am today, the person that I was in 2005, the person that I was in 2001. Those points in my life that really stick out when I was a child, but going through middle school and high school were difficult. And I think that's also where I started to really bury my insecurity because  I don't know how many people would look back and be like, you were insecure, or you were.

really that sad, or that stressed out, or  and I, and I was, I think being the youngest  in my family helped, like, you know, who's gonna, when, when your siblings are, you know, more than five, eight, nine, ten years older than you, everything's gonna be like funny, and you get a pass for, or, you know. You get to be kind of in the spotlight a little bit, you know.

I went to a private Catholic school through 6th grade and it was a really small class. And I was really different from the girls in my class, but there were only, you know, we only had like classes of like 15 to 20 kids and we were even sometimes broken up into two classrooms. For that grade, but then I went to the public school and I was accepted right away sort of into the more like I hate using the word popular because Who now says what popular is but I think back then that was in the nine like mid 90s that was more almost a requirement, right?

It was you know kids who? wore certain clothes played certain sports or maybe definitely kids who like You know, whose parents had a particular last name or they had siblings, but I, I mean, my parents did not have money growing up. We shopped at JCPenney and Kmart. And when I went to my first day of middle school in like Arizona jeans and, you know, an IU basketball t shirt, and I'm like, I remember going home and asking my mom what Abercrombie was.

Cause every girl had an Abercrombie and Fitch t shirt on and I didn't, I'd never heard of it before. We never shopped at a mall for my back to school clothes. Like everything came locally but ,  yeah, , Paige and Laura were the first two people and I talked about Paige before. Paige still has been like such a sweet person in my life and she sort of went off and  did something different into high school as well, but, ,  you know, they were friends with,  you know, girls that maybe were more in like a popular group, but I just never quite fit in with them, but was always friends with them. 

Um, and I did, I had like a best friend that went through like  sort of the awkward teens with me and then kind of went different, directions a little bit in high school, but stayed close and I did get to meet Chantel in high school, who's still one of my best friends, but um  Anyway, so that time going into college, I think  Meeting girls that  knew Incubus, loved Incubus  that like registered with me to be like, Oh my gosh, there are girls like me.

And then I was always kind of like,  you know, in a chain of 10 girls, I was the last one to get picked, last one to maybe be asked to do things or maybe sometimes left out. And  when I got there, people wanted to be friends with me.  You know, like, I think Anna is so cool and  She wanted to be my friend, you know, like she wanted to know what I was doing.

She wanted to do things with me, and of course me the same to her as well, but just to hear, I remember Rachel told me that she was mad, but she, you know, like, Found me first and then Ana and I got to be close I mean it was like a silly like cute thing to say but then like Ana and I were inseparable After that like she'd come home with me on weekends sometimes and in the summer.

She'd come visit and  Yeah, just someone that and she still just has always lifted me up and Shown me what my worth was and that's something that Chantel has also. I don't want to leave her out, but I know we're talking about  about this, which Chantel became part of the Inky Bus train too, but um  yeah, so When I think back to that time, it was sort of the start of Anna and I's friendship, and me being really comfortable with who I was, and, um, finally having someone to go to concerts with, so Anna and I, every chance we got, we went to see.

You said 11 concerts? 11 times. I think that I went  to maybe 9 with Anna. I, if, well if you count the one,  that we were both at, but we didn't go to that together. But you know, I saw them in concerts, maybe it was eight cause I saw them twice in high school. And then I know  I saw them in Lexington.  I think that was just with  the high school boyfriend.

So what about Rekindling obviously the friendship's still there, but how's the concert reconstitute that time for you or begin to because obviously you were two weeks out from going, but it's already on your mind and how is it reconstituting  some of those good memories and what are you hoping by seeing this band that you loved?

20 years ago, and I still think you really enjoy the music. I do. And some of them, oftentimes I found that us going back to some of these bands, we've also then kind of looked, looked up what they've been, because obviously these are fully foreign people now that have been doing their own thing. Some of them have continued in music, looking up some of Silverchair's later catalog was certainly an adventure.

Uh, but what about, what about this band? And are you mostly.  excited about the nostalgia of that time or are Do you see this as like the start of something new or maybe both? both for sure, I think both so  Ana has been  someone like I said that has not wavered in love for me nor I for her and we She was in our wedding, of course but we went like many years without seeing each other even though we kept in touch, but Uh, we both just got busy.

She was in law school and then started her career as a lawyer and We kind of moved around and then I started I went back back to school here and then started a new career twice and, um, you know, over the last, like, five years, we've really made an effort to try to see each other when we can and, um, instead of, like, the random check in, you know, you don't have to wait to call someone until you have time to have an hour conversation.

It's that,  you know, see something that's funny, send it to them, remember, you know, find a picture, have a funny memory, um, and I think we're, we're better about doing that stuff now, and I also,  that I have mentioned in the previous three podcasts, that, um, I think the last,  I hate saying the last five years, because the last four years have been good, but, you know, between, um, Like 2014 and 2019 were some of the hardest falls that I've ever had personally and with my mental health.

And I had to really evaluate the people around me and my circle. And,  uh, sometimes instead of being able to pick myself up, I really focused on.  Who, what, what people thought of me and why I wasn't hearing from certain people or things that would get back to me that other people said about me and, um, Anna just was always a person that, and, and Anna and Chantel, there's people that didn't, didn't care about anything other than, I think those two got to experience the purest form of my soul and who I am. 

Prior to meeting you,  as you point at yourself, like, what?  Uh, prior to meeting you, and, uh, also are two people who don't really care what other people think, cause when you know someone and love someone and care about them, you don't care what they've been through in their darkest time, you love them and,  and you pick them up.

Like Chantal has always said, I don't, I don't care what you're doing, you  When you're at your lowest, I want to know what has happened  to make you feel this way or make you do it. Everybody else worries too much about like, Oh man, she's, you know, losing it right now or she's unhappy or this is happening.

And I don't know if I want to associate myself with that. And it's the, who cares about what, like, we love this person. Why is this happening and we need to be there. And those are,  uh, people that have voice.  been that way, uh, with me. So, what do I, I told you I was going to go off in a million different directions.

So, uh,   that time was, uh, like 2001,  early 2002, um,  was a time when I was just truly so, like, excited and happy and really coming into my own and had, you know,  made this new friend that, uh,  was sharing those experiences with me and we had so much in common, but also enough differences that, like,  we were both really, I think, interesting to each other and Um,  and in the last like five years, I think we've also made more, you know, a greater effort to remember  how special we are to each other.

And, uh, so, and we have, you know, visited with each other more frequently in the last couple of years. And so always talk about, you know,  Like, let's see each other, let's figure something out to do, and of course, uh, this year, Incubus, which was where we started, not only are they on tour, but the tour is they're performing Morning View in its entirety, so it just seemed like  kismet, I guess, you know?

So I was bringing up and I wanted to talk to you a little bit about the re recording of this you talk and hinted at that and that that's part of the reason for the tour and the concert that we're going to is like You Morningview plus the hits.

But why did they why rerecord an album that was good? I mean, it's probably their it's their best selling album or is maybe that it's like yourself like, right? It probably is, because I think Morningview open to a big, you know,  prior to Morningview, it was a little bit of the like, maybe like alt rock, a little more heavier metal, sort of like.

metal rock listeners. And we, it, you know, open the floodgates for some bros in 2001 for sure. I think it opened number one or number one or, you know, pretty high peaks, especially for the first single. Yeah. They weren't really on MTV too much. And then they were on total request live countdown for sure.  So one of the things I find interesting about the Morning View album is that they decided to rerecord it. And I didn't know this, but you introduced me to some of the new recordings, which are really good. In fact, you were saying just a little bit ago that, You like a couple of them better than the originals, would you say?

Or, you, I don't know. I like them as well. As well.  Yeah, they're like they have value. There was value in them going back to the same mansion, recording the same songs over again. Yeah, I think they're, like, some of them are completely almost identical with, like, little changes. I think the way the album  starts, uh, there's like a little bit longer of an intro with, uh, maybe like a little more like faint guitar in the background as opposed to just the,  is it circles?

Yeah. It starts it, it's just kind of the like, a little like drum, like hi hat sound and he does some ooh at the beginning and I think it's, he does that like airy  distant  Like ooze and ahs for like two minutes before it starts so it starts a little different and then sounds almost the same and then a few of the songs, um in like  Like bridges or guitar solos are a little bit heavier or more like rock driven  uh, like  Less compressed i'd say Um, and maybe more of like a 2023 24 sound that you would hear like if they had written them today maybe what like some parts that they  Updated a little bit just have a little bit of a difference But yeah for the most part most of the bulk of the the song or the song sound You know, which I think I like that.

I like that. They stayed true, you know, just rerecord it 23 years later and You  People want to hear Morning View. It's such a great album. Yeah, what I thought was interesting, too, is part of their rationale for this, besides, you know, creating this time capsule years later, was that they didn't own the master copies for this album.

So they were able to go in, re record it with some changes, and own their own music, which is something that so many young artists get taken away from them. You are part of the, the conglomerate and the, the music industry that helps to start and propel your career. But then years later, they're still taking advantage of the work that you did while you aren't, you know, getting, receiving the fruits of your labor.

So I think it's so, so it's a unique thing to be in a position to go back, re experience some of those things, but also take new ownership of those songs in a different way. And I don't know if it has much to do with it, but, Brandon Boyd broke his nose three times. Oh, yeah, you did tell me that about the sound.

And somewhere in the like 2010s ish, 2015, maybe it was like 2015 to 2018. He had to have like a third nose surgery and he had a really hard time  Singing again or sounding like himself and, uh, in an interview I heard him say that there were some nights where he would like read, uh, like posts or reviews where people's like, he sounds terrible.

He doesn't sound like, and he's got such a beautiful voice too. But, uh, I think he's had to change, you know, his breathing and how he How he sings as well. So maybe I did notice that there is a you know a little bit of a change in the in the way that he sings or takes breaths or hits some of his notes and it still sounds Incredible, but you know, I think it's a smart idea before you go on tour so that people can't be like, wait a minute That's not how he sings that part not saying that's why they did it But if i'm gonna be an incubus conspiracy theorist  brandon boyd lover and supporter  I'm going to go ahead and throw one out there to say if it sounds a little different.

He broke his nose three times, guys. Still sounds incredible.  I love it. And he looks fantastic. Good job, B Boy. What do you think? Uh, is that a good stopping point for us? I think so. All right. Well, we've got a plan for the next, next couple potentially with a revisit of some of the songs. I think. We didn't get too into the catalog hit on a few of the bigger ones, including me making a mistake between dig and drive man, large, large, uh, mess up there, but you can correct the record.

Hopefully we'll have a special guest to help you. If not, I'll do my homework and, uh, make sure that I, that I correct, uh, my knowledge before that, and then we'll have a review of this, this concert. I think that this experience is going to be really unique for both of us. I think. Uh, taking that perspective of a band 20 years later, is a, I, I, we haven't done a lot of that.

So I think it will be a lot of fun. 23 years later. Yes. Sorry.  It's 20 years since I've seen them though. I saw them, um, at Vans Warped Tour in  2004. There you go. 20 years. Perfect. Oh, shoot. No, I think I saw them in two. Oh man.  That'll be for another time. But I saw them in 2004 or five, um, play with when my world's collided.

Let's leave it there for now.