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Hello, I am Joshua P. Warren, and this is Joshua P. Warren Daily, and I want to talk to you about the Thunderbird Photo, Dead Celebrities, and the Mandela Effect, and the Paratemporal Loop Hypothesis. Now, if you don't know exactly what I'm talking about, that's completely understandable. This is some extremely weird stuff. I'm going to take you down a deep rabbit hole. If you do know what I'm talking about, well then you're already buckling your seatbelt because you have a sense of where this is going to go. I figured I would go ahead and kind of lay a heavy one on you because I have been much more missing an action than usual this month, and that is because I am working on multiple television shows. I'm doing the airplane hopping thing. Very soon I am going to be shooting a program in the Brown Mountain area where the brown mountain lights are seen, and there are some really remote, rugged areas there where you just can't get a cell phone signal, or you may or may not have internet. So I'll tell you a little bit more about that later. But basically, um I've I've been just so jam-packed with these all these projects that are sort of culminating right now, enhanced by the fact that some of them are in very remote places, and so that's why my podcasting is going to be much more sporadic than I would like, frankly, for for a while. But I'm sure you understand. I mean, that's just how it goes. This is not the only thing that I do. And that's why when I do a podcast for you, usually I think you enjoy it because you know I'm actually out there experiencing life and bringing some things back. Before we get into the train of thought that I want us to hop on here in this podcast, I have a couple of things I want to mention. For one thing, the miraculous prayer board is sold out. So I've got people emailing me saying, please, please, can I get one? Well, maybe in the future I will consider making more of them, but for now, uh nope, they're gone. And if you have one, consider yourself to be a very lucky person. Also, uh, I just want to hit upon this because this is kind of breaking. Uh, you know, in Stanley Kubrick's classic film 2001 A Space Odyssey, there is this big black obelisks uh that kind of haunts the film. It it appears from the beginning to the end in various capacities, and nobody can agree to this day about the exact symbolism of the obelisk in uh 2001. Uh it may be that it just represents the unknown and something that is finely crafted by an intelligent force, i.e. something like God. But regardless, it's really interesting that when that movie starts, you know, really kicking off in the modern age, they send all of these astronauts to the moon because they have found this obelisk buried in the moon. And now there is this news story, it's all over the place. I tweeted it, I put it on Facebook. Um this is just one version of it. I'll read you some uh see mysterious large mass discovered on Moon bewilders scientists. Quote, whatever it is, wherever it came from, end quote. So it says a large mass of unknown material has been discovered on the largest crater on the Moon, and scientists aren't sure what it is. According to an April twenty nineteen study published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, the researchers believe the mass could contain metal from an asteroid that crashed into the celestial satellite, which resulted in the aforementioned crater. Says here now of course uh you know these all these reporters that like to get a little too fancy with their words, but what they're saying is that there's just a big, huge solid mass of some kind that has been apparently discovered within the moon, and we don't know what it is. Says, quote, imagine taking a pile of metal five times larger than the big island of Hawaii and burying it underground. That's roughly how much unexpected mass we detected, end quote. That comes from Dr. Peter James, assistant professor of planetary geophysics at Baylor University. Uh so and then they get into more details. You can look this up on your own, but you know, they just you know, obviously, you you I'm sure you know, NASA says we're going back to the moon and we're gonna stay there this time. So there are lots of new studies being done, and they have combined various data to realize that this strange thing is there. The story says the anomaly, quote, whatever it is, wherever it came from, end quote, is weighing down the basin floor by more than half a mile. Uh Dr. James says we did the math and showed that a sufficiently dispersed core of the asteroid that made the impact could remain suspended in the moon's mantle. So they're saying maybe this is some kind of asteroid, or you know, it's maybe this will be a great laboratory for studying catastrophic impact events. They don't know. What they're saying is they don't know. So, okay. I at this point I've lost track of the timeline that I once was keeping for you, where I was saying, all right, last year uh, you know, we say we've got uh there's organic material on Mars, and then we've discovered water on Mars, and I discovered a time anomaly near Area 51, and then President Trump announced the creation of the Space Force, and you know, then of course all this ATIP stuff is is coming out where everything is being discussed about back engineering of UFO technology here in the Vegas area, and then there's a variety of controversy about that. And then NASA says we're going to the moon. We're going to the moon. We're going to set up a base, a permanent base on the moon. And that'll take us eventually to Mars. And now we have this. Now this. Well, call it what you will. Disclosure. I don't know. We a report. We have a report. There's something really weird on the moon. And it takes me right back to my friend, the late great Jim Mars, writing in his book, Alien Agenda, about all of the all of these weird attributes on the moon that nobody wanted to officially acknowledge for a long time. That when it's hit by a meteor, uh, it uh rings like a bell. It's almost like the Death Star. Maybe there are big metallic hollow sections within the moon. Is it possible that the moon is a giant UFO? That's why it looks so weird. How ironic would that be that we're running around constantly saying, Well, when are we going to get the proof of UFOs? And it turns out every night you look up and there's a huge one that's hovering around us. It may or may not have a history of intelligent beings on it, but uh what if it does? What if it is like a big Death Star? So we'll keep our eye on that and we'll just see. You know, that's the thing, it's like you and I, we just have to sit back and watch the news and see these reports like anybody else. I don't have a rocket ship to go up there. And uh so we just have to see what they tell us. So I definitely wanted to squeeze that in there just in case that you wanted to get uh a little more information if you hadn't heard that or if you wanted my point of view. I don't know what to make of it. But I think it's very possible there is more happening on the moon than we are being told about. I will definitely go on the record saying that. And uh that actually is a whole other podcast, but you've heard me talk about the smokestack on the moon and that sort of thing. I mean, like if you're a new listener to this podcast, I can't repeat everything I've said, every podcast, to catch you up, so you've got to go back and start listening to past editions of this podcast to know about the smokestack on the moon. I was even on a sci a sci-fi channel show called Aliens on the Moon, where we talked about this. So anyway, here I was talking about Stanley Kubrick and 2001. Interestingly enough, I was recently watching on YouTube some behind the scenes footage of Stanley Kubrick shooting the movie The Shining, which is one of the greatest horror movies ever made. Maybe the greatest. It's certainly just a wonderful film altogether. And of course, the star of The Shining is Jack Nicholson. And there is this part of the behind the scenes footage where Nicholson is being asked to meet all these people on the set, you know. Oh, I don't know who these folks are, if they're connected to the the uh the the owner of the hotel where they're shooting or whatever, it's like, oh, this is my grandma, and this is my mom, and this is my daughter, you know. And anyway, this is sort of um combined with Nicholson uh on a separate occasion saying, and I actually think I have this pretty close to a quote. He says, quote, the average celebrity meets in one year ten times the people the average person meets in his entire life, end quote. Now I don't know where Nicholson got that kind of uh information. I I it's probably anecdotal. I mean, what is a celebrity? I mean, you'd have to really start breaking that down and to determine what a celebrity is. It was probably much easier to do that uh back in the 1970s than it is now. That word celebrity is sort of all over the place. Now we have influencers. You know, somebody has a gazillion views on YouTube and they say, I'm a celebrity. You've never heard of that person. I've never heard of that person. You know, we used to have like three TV stations, and you know, now we have five hundred. So but you you see what he was the point he was making, and I'll read that again. He says the average celebrity meets in one year ten times the people the average person meets in his entire life. So just taking that as a premise, um what I found is that you know I myself have met a lot of people throughout my life just by being involved with the media. And you know, I've produced some pretty big events and I've been a part of some pretty big events, and I've worked on television shows and movies, and one of these days I'll sit down and I'll just go down the list of like big movie stars that I've met, and I'll I'll give you the scoop, the dish on what my experience was with each of those people. And and I'm telling you, I'm talking like some big ones, man. I've I I've had the opportunity to not just like shake shake the hand of some big movie stars, I mean work with a few big movie stars. I'm actually on screen with some movie stars, and you wouldn't you'd be surprised when you hear this. But anyway, I've met quite a few people, and I also own tourism companies, and it's funny to me because I was years ago talking to my friend Mark Jones, who is one of the top tour guides in Charleston, South Carolina. He has written books about, you know, the it's he writes the Wicked Charleston series, and he has been a tour guide, I don't even know how many years. Okay, where he just gets out there every day and he personally goes face to face and he interacts with people from all over the world. Charleston's one of the most popular uh tourism destinations in in the world. And we were talking about the fact that as time goes on and you get older and you meet enough people, you actually start to see patterns in people types. That this I'm this is going to be a gross oversimplification, but it's almost like there are only really like fifty people in the world, and that everybody you meet is a variation of one of those fifty people. And it's kind of like maybe when you look at a Lego person, and you you know, there are different types of Lego people, but they're all Lego people, and you can tell it. But but honestly, I want you to think about this. When you meet enough people, because some of you are in a position where you meet a lot of people in person, some of you are in a position where you you may maybe you mainly deal with people on the telephone or through email, or you know, maybe your only exposure is when you go to the grocery store in your own community. But I, you know, I've traveled around the world a good deal, and I work in uh businesses like tourism, where you have people coming to you from around the world, and when you start seeing enough people from around the world, it becomes kind of weird when you start seeing that there i I mean, again, it it seems like there's like fifty people types, and everybody is they uh and it kind of kind of looks and even behaves as if he or she is a part of that person type. Now, I don't know what kind of an ism that that is, but I'm just telling you this is an observation that I over the years have shared with more and more people who are in my position who get to see lots of other people from around the world. And it would kind of make sense because, you know, we're all related, you know, we all go back to the same genetic Adam and Eve, so we're all brothers and sisters. But it's just an odd thing because sometimes it's kind of creepy. I was recently at a at an event and I was telling Lauren, okay, this person looks like that person that I that we know, and this person looks like that person that we know, and this person looks like that person that we know, and then when you go up and you start talking to that person, guess what? The person actually also sort of talks and behaves like the other person that you know, who might be you know thousands of miles away. And the the kind of spooky thing is that sometimes you wonder, well, if this is some kind of a computer simulation, a very advanced one that we call the organic or whatever, if this is some form of a computer simulation that you and I are living through, then is it possible that they only made up, you know, like a handful of profiles because you know, they're they they got kind of lazy, like, oh fifty that's enough. Fi we'll just come up with fifty different types of people that that look a certain way, behave a certain way. And uh you just have you know, most of us don't get to meet enough people to see the pattern emerge. Now I know that to some of you listening, you'll say, this sounds like some crazy paranoid, you know, like conspiracy shit. Fine. Fine. But let's you know let's just open your mind for a minute and think about like if you are in that and some of you I'm sure are in that position, if you're in that position, so that you get to meet enough people and you start seeing people patterns, personality types is it not an option, not a possible option that this could be some kind of a big virtual reality program and the programmers got lazy enough that we only have uh, you know, uh a certain amount of personality or people types. Now, of course, you've always got your exceptions. You've got your mutations, you have that one who's like, Well, I've never met anybody like that before. You know, you've got a handful of those people where you're like, I've never met anybody close to that before. So I'm always interested when I put myself in a position to meet other people, sort of what's going to come of that. And since I have started producing the creepy Vegas Ghost and UFO show here in Las Vegas, I have met some really interesting people because Vegas is possibly possibly the biggest worldwide destination. I know you might think New York, but New York is a huge place. Like New York City is gigantic compared to Las Vegas. Las Vegas is tiny compared to that. And so you have much more of a concentration of interesting people from various diverse backgrounds who all combine here in Las Vegas. This past Saturday night I was telling you about what an amazing creepy Vegas show we were doing. It was a very special one. Uh every Saturday we are doing the Creepy Vegas Ghost and UFO show. To be honest with you, I don't know what the future of the thing will be ever because, you know, uh the the nothing is certain in life. It this thing started out as a walking tour and then we decided to turn it into a show. So I tell you that because maybe we'll go through another transformation. So you, if you're interested in experiencing this, you better get your ass to Vegas and experience it. Okay? It's like these people who are contacting me. Oh, I would like to have a miraculous prayer board. Well, sorry, you missed your opportunity. Last weekend, this past Saturday, we had such a great creepy Vegas show. I had some big VIPs there. Of course, we always talk about Sean Kevin Jason, and uh Sean Kevin Jason, he is the guy who had a close encounter on his way to Area fifty one, which just so happened to occur at the exact spot in the desert where I discovered the time anomaly last year, unbeknownst to me. He was there. We talk about him anyway during the show, but everybody got to meet him. We had Shannon LeGreux there. Shannon LeGreux is one of the most popular investigators and broadcasters in the world of the paranormal. She does shows like Into the Fray, Midnight in the Desert with my buddy Dave Schrader. I mean, she's just a wonderful person. I'd never met her before. I've been out in the desert and done research before with Sean Kevin Jason. I'd never met Shannon LeGros. She was there. We had David Weatherly there. Man, I've I've been wanting to meet him forever. David Lev Weatherly is one of the most fantastic authors. Uh, we have this book that uh is one of my new favorite books called Silver State Monsters. And it's like legends, encrypteds, and all this from Nevada. And I've talked to you about this on the podcast before. He was the guy who dug up the story on the Space Clans. Remember that one? That podcast, Attack of the Space Clams. And David, as it turns out, you know, he's he's written about everything you can imagine. The guy's been all over the world. Turns out he recently moved to the Vegas area. He came out. I'd never met him before. As soon as we met, we seemed like we were brothers. I mean, like, you know, boom, we hit it off. He you know what? He came in the door, he gave me a copy of this book called Copper State Monsters. And this is a book about cryptids and weird things in Arizona, right next door. So Silver State is Nevada. So the still you know, the Silver State stuff, that's when you have like the red haired giants of Lovelock Cave and the space clams and the water babies and all this kind of crazy shit. And then he gives me a copy. Of Copper State Monsters, he signed it, he inscribed it, personalized it to me, and we just had a ball. Alright. Now I know you might be thinking, Josh, where where are you going with all this? I want you to see how beautifully I tie all this together. I want you to see what a talented podcaster and broadcaster that I am. Because I'm going to take what I just told you about meeting people and seeing patterns in those types of people. Just like when I was recently at Creepy Vegas. I met people there and I looked at them and I said, you know what? This person reminds me of that person I've met before and this person. But then we have David Weatherly in the mix. And when David Weatherly gave me his book Copper State Monsters, there was something that he wrote about in that book that tied directly into this mystery about how society and civilization is formed and composed and functions in general. And whether or not there are people patterns and whether or not this could be part of some program. So I want to thank once again Sean Kevin Jason, Shannon LeGreux, David Weatherly, everybody else who was there last Saturday. Congratulations. I gave everybody a nice free gift, by the way. I won't get into that right now, but man, it was it was a blast. Shannon took some killer photographs that we put online. I say we, I put online. Well, I guess she put online and I put online. And then also just so it happens, well, you know, we do this thing at Millennium Fandom, which is like a pop culture cosplay bar, and they have movie props and reproductions and stuff like that. And uh just so happens that last Saturday a group of people came in dressed like the Scooby-Doo Gang. And if you haven't seen the picture of me with the Scooby-Doo Gang, uh just go to Twitter and type in Joshua P. Warren or go to my website joshua parren.com and you'll see a place where you can click the link to my Twitter feed. Alright, so how does all this tie together? Meeting people, personality types, whether or not there is some program here that we're in the middle of, and what we can learn from all this and what David Weatherly has written about in Copper State Monsters. So, what I want to do for you is um I want to read some material to you. If you go to Amazon.com, you will find a variety of my books. Some of them can be read for free, depending on um what kind of a uh a plan that you have. I'm a prime member, and then you get Kindle Unlimited, uh which is something you can get for free. Uh I don't I don't remember how this works, but basically, one of my books is called Pet Ghosts Animal Encounters from Beyond the Grave. I'm very proud of that book because it's chock full of some of the craziest like stories in it. I did a lot of research for that book. And I never liked the name of it. I would have called it something like, you know, Phantomals or I don't know, something like that, because it pet ghost was more of a marketing name. Because, well, let's see if we can cash in on people uh who have a dead dog or cat or bird or whatever. But it really the book is about uh non-human apparitions. So I'm going to read to you a section of my book that you can get on Amazon called Pet Ghost Animal Encounters with Animal Apparitions from Beyond the Grave. Here we go. I couldn't get through this section of the book without resurrecting one of the most fascinating phenomena in the course of recorded history. It's an episode known as the Thunderbird Mystery Photo. By the way, just just for the record, I should probably tell you when I wrote this book. Let me look it up real quick. I can't remember. I and you'll see why I want to do this, because some people have gone on to call what I'm talking about here something different. The they call it the Mandela Effect. But this was okay. According to Amazon, I published this book in 2006. And I'd never heard of any such thing as the Mandela Effect because that term wasn't coined until at least four years later, but we'll get back to that in a minute. Okay, so let me start over, alright? I couldn't get through this section of the book without resurrecting one of the most fascinating phenomena in the course of recorded history. It's an episode known as the Thunderbird Mystery Photo. Though I've already mentioned Thunderbirds a couple of times, if you don't know for sure, they're basically huge birds recorded by Native Americans for hundreds or thousands of years. Exactly how big? No one can say for certain, but definitely big enough to pick up a human child and carry him or her away. Even in recent times these creatures have made the news. In October of two thousand two, Alaskan pilot John Balker and his passengers saw a creature outside his plane that thoroughly shocked them. A quote bird with a wingspan that matched his Cessna two hundred seven, that's about fourteen feet, glided alongside the craft. Balker told the Anchorage Daily News, quote, at first I thought it was one of those old time otter plans. He's huge. He's really, really big. You wouldn't want to have your children out, end quote. As a general example, the monster was compared to something from the Spielberg movie Jurassic Park. According to CNN, another local pilot had recently seen the bird about one thousand feet outside his airplane. But the most amazing quote Thunderbird incident occurred in eighteen ninety near the notorious tombstone, Arizona. The local newspaper of the Tombstone Epitaph supposedly printed a story on april twenty sixth of eighteen ninety about several locals who had shot and killed one of these magnificent animals along with a photograph, and according to legend, the photo showed at least half a dozen men posed beside the beast which was nailed to a wall. The bird was mentioned by writer Horace Bell in the nineteen thirty book called On the Old West Coast, and yet for the most part this incident did not enter the popular consciousness until nineteen sixty three. That year a man named Jack Pearl wrote of seeing the picture in Saga magazine, a pulp fiction publication geared toward men, and then later in September of nineteen sixty three HM Cranmer wrote of seeing the photograph in Fate magazine, however, no one could produce the actual image. Stories regarding the Thunderbird photo were fairly consistent. A group of rugged old timers stood next to a dead winged beast that was spread on a boarded wall. But aside from that, descriptions varied. Some claim the wingspan was twenty feet, while others said it was more than one hundred. All the while, staff of the tombstone epitaph looked through their files to no avail. They claimed there was no trace of this image. Various historians poured over epitaph issues without success, even as others said it had been reprinted in a variety of modern periodicals. But that only reinforced the zeal of those who claimed to have seen the picture. More and more came forth each day. Even Ivan T. Sanderson, the famed writer and researcher of natural anomalies, claimed to have a copy of the elusive photo. Canadian researcher W. Richie Benedict had a particularly titillating tale. In nineteen seventy one, he claimed to have watched an episode of the Canadian Pierre Burton talk show. On the program, Burton's guest, Sanderson, displayed a copy of the Thunderbird photo on a placard. In order to find that episode, Benedict contacted the Screen Gyms organization in Ontario, but they were unable to produce the image. But Benedict finally received a letter from Burton himself, and in the letter Burton said he remembered that episode as well as the picture, but he did not have a copy. Next Benedict turned to the National Archives. They replied saying they had sixty seven of the shows on file, all except the relevant one. Even John Kill of Mothman Fame said he had seen and perhaps once owned a copy of the picture. According to some sources like Troy Taylor, Kill remarked, quote, I know I saw it. And not only that I compared notes with a lot of other people who saw it. Peter Johnson, a correspondent of the late Mark Chovinsky's Strange Magazine, also said that he had seen it. Here's his quote What I saw in one of these magazines, and I'll never forget it because it amazed me at the time because I did not think that cowboys were ever clean shaven, was that the men are standing in the foreground there in front of the barn or the side of a railway car or the side of this big house or whatever this big boarded thing, though I seem to recall doors there like barn doors. They some had beards and broad brimmed hats like sombreros. It was very unusual and I thought how weird, cowboys never look like that, so I've always remembered them as being miners. Whether this is true or not I don't know. Mark Chorvinsky went on the hunt to the best of his ability. He wrote Peter Johnson Jog W. Richie Benedict's memory, and he recalled he may have seen the photograph in Saga magazine, perhaps from the mid nineteen sixties. But I went to the Library of Congress and I checked out all the issues of saga from nineteen fifty eight through nineteen seventy, and I can say with assurance that it's not in any of those issues. To this day no one has been able to reproduce or let me put it this way. Nobody has been able to produce the Thunderbird photo. In some descriptions it looks like a big feathered bird, but in others it seems to have more characteristics of a pterodactyl type creature with the pointed head and the face of an alligator. Periscope.com says one account describes quote the beast was said to have no feathers but a smooth skin and wing flaps composed of a thick and nearly transparent membrane easily penetrated by a bullet. By the way, folks, I'm still reading from my book here called Pet Ghost, and I'm going to continue a little bit more because it's worth it. In the Mammoth Readers Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained A story is recounted about a pterodactyl seen alive in France in eighteen fifty six. Workers were toiling on a railway tunnel between the Saint Desier and Nancy lines. And here's what they reported, according to the news story. In the half light of the tunnel something monstrous stumbled toward them out of a great boulder of Jurassic limestone they had just split open. It fluttered its wings, croaked, and died at their feet. The creature whose wingspan was ten feet seven inches had four legs joined by a membrane like a bat. What should have been feet were long talons, and the mouth was arrayed with sharp teeth. The skin was like black leather thick and oily. A paleontology student at the nearby township of Gray immediately identified the animal as a pterodactyl. The limestone within which the creature was imprisoned seemed consistent with the period in which those winged creatures lived, and the particular section of stone contained a cavity with the exact shape of the beast forming a mold of its body. Now that story is credited to the Illustrated London News of february ninth, eighteen fifty six, page one sixty six. Astoundingly there is no mention of what happened to that animal and its whereabouts are still completely lost to history. Why is this? So was the creature in the photograph a thunderbird or a prehistoric creature, and did it even exist at all? If we're to believe the reports from research authorities like Ivan T. Sanderson and John Kill, we must accept that such an image does and has been around for more than one hundred years. Hence the deepest question is why no one can locate this image. Some researchers think the photograph cannot be located for a rather simple reason. They surmise it has never actually existed, but just naturally fits into the human psyche. The idea is that the concept of some images is so familiar that it neatly occupies a place in the human mind. Compositive many pictures through the years here and there, along with bits and pieces of stories sort of all club together into one representative image. And given the collective suggestion of others who say the picture exists, a recollection of this non existent photograph is only reinforced. Snowballing into a phenomenon of tangible memory that has arisen from an intangible and non existent source. Now is that a valid possibility? Well, I think it is. But let's look at an alternative. Shall we, however long the limb we must navigate, give proper respect to those devoted researchers who claim to have seen this image? Can we accept them at their words as opposed to demeaning their thoughts and expertise? Let's say this image does exist or at least did exist. Well what happened to it and why? Could there be a principle of reality at work so far beyond what we normally consider believable that we can't grasp what's happened here? Maybe there are multiple dimensions orchestrated by some higher intelligence that dictates the information we receive and when we receive it. It is conspiratorial to ponder this polyp possibility, yet we shall. Throughout journalism, we're overwhelmed with tales of amazing finds that somehow disappear to the record. I am immediately reminded of the skeletons discovered in the eighteen eighties, also included in Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained. Human skulls with horns were found in a burial mound at Sire, Bradford County, Pennsylvania in the late eighteen eighties. Except for the horny projections some two inches above the eyebrows, the men to whom these skeletons belonged were anatomically normal, though at seven feet tall, well above the average height. It was estimated they were buried about AD twelve hundred. Now that discovery they say was made by a Pennsylvania state historian, a dignitary of the Presbyterian Church, doctor GP Donohue, and two professors, A. B. Skinner of the American Investigating Museum and W. K. Moorhead of the Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts. Some bones were sent to the American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia where quote they seem to have disappeared, end quote. What's going on here? Were these humans or animals? An almost diabolical pattern of amazing evidence surfacing then mysteriously vanishing is evident all throughout history. We can imagine that some aspect of our society, perhaps religious or governmental, feels threatened by such fines and therefore suppresses them. But if that is not the case, a much more complex facet is revealed. Is there another dimension filled with other creatures and agendas of which they are in complete control? If you obtained a copy of the Thunderbird photograph tomorrow, by the time you brought it to your local newspaper or your scanner, would it just become a blank piece of paper? Alright, that's all I'm gonna read from my book Pet Ghost Animal Encounters from Beyond the Grave. When I picked up the book that David Weatherly gave me as a gift called Copper State Monsters. We have here right toward the beginning a chapter called The Thunderbird Photograph. And guess what? David Weatherly David Weatherly says that he was one of those people who saw this photograph. I'm gonna read to you part of his chapter. He says I'm one of the countless people who recall seeing the now famous Thunderbird photograph. In my memory, it was one of the men's adventure magazines published sometime in the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties. Such magazines were popular for years, and there were dozens of titles. Saga, true, and Argosy were the most popular and well known, but there were countless others, including Real Men, Men's Adventure, and Man's Action. My father had a stack of them that ranged through many years, and they were full of sensational stories, and one of them I've never been able to remember which one exactly, but was the photo in question. The picture was old and grainy, and as I recall, it showed an extremely large winged creature pinned to the side of a barn. The creature appeared leathery, the wings almost bat like, and There were no feathers visible, the creature's head was long, and the beast looked prehistoric. Like classic depictions of a pterodactyl. In the foreground was the group of men responsible for bringing the creature down. They were wearing older Western style clothing and holding rifles, the weapons I assumed they had used to kill the unusual creature, and the accompanying story detailed the event. Now if you have no knowledge of this photo, I know what you're thinking at this point that you'd love to see it. It's a sentiment shared by others. As I stated, I'm one of the many, many people who recall seeing the photo, but here's where things get strange. It's never been found. In fact, many people are of the opinion that there was never such a photograph to begin with. Despite this, prominent figures in the fields of cryptozoology and Fortian studies attest to the picture existing. Ivan T. Sanderson and John Kill are two such figures. For the roots of the mystery we we uh we journey to southern Arizona and an article printed in the Tombstone Weekly Epitaph april twenty sixth, eighteen ninety. Here is the story in full as it appeared on page three of the paper. Now here you go, folks. Maybe you're familiar with this, but have you ever heard the whole actual article? Here you go. April twenty sixth, you know I have a whole thing about April being a paranormal month, so that's pretty wild. Here we go. Here's the article from eighteen ninety. Found on the desert a strange winged monster discovered and killed on the Huachuka Desert. Have no idea if I'm pronouncing Huachuka right, but hey, it's close enough probably. Here we go. A winged monster resembling a huge alligator with an extremely elongated tail and an immense pair of wings was found on the desert between the Whetstone and the Huachuka Mountains last Sunday by two ranchers who were returning home from the Huachucas. The creature was evidently greatly exhausted by a long flight, and when discovered was able to fly but a short distance at a time. After the first shock of wild amazement that passed the two men, who were on horseback and armed with Winchester rifles, regained sufficient courage to pursue the monster, and after an exciting chase of several miles succeeded in getting near enough to open fire with their rifles and wounding it. The creature then turned on the men, but owing to its exhausted condition they were able to keep out of its way, and after a few well directed shots the monster partly rolled over and remained motionless. The men cautiously approached, their horses snorting with terror, and found that the creature was dead. They then proceeded to make an examination and found that it measured about ninety two feet in length, and the greatest diameter was about fifty inches. The monster had only two feet, these being situated a short distance in front of where the wings were joined to the body. The head, as near as they could judge, was about eight feet long, the jaws being thickly set with strong sharp teeth. Its eyes were as large as a dinner plate, and protruded about halfway from the head. They had some difficulty in measuring the wings as they were partly folded under the body, but finally got one straightened out sufficiently to get a measurement of seventy eight feet, making the total length from tip to tip about one hundred sixty feet. The wings were composed of a thick and nearly transparent membrane and were devoid of feathers or hair, as was the entire body. The skin of the body was comparatively smooth and easily penetrated by a bullet. The men cut off a small portion of the tip of one wing and took it home with them. Late last night one of them arrived in the city for supplies, and to make the necessary preparations to skin the creature, when the hide will be sent east for examination by the eminent scientists of the day. The finder returned early this morning accompanied by several prominent men who will endeavor to bring the strange creature to this city before it is mutilated. That's the end of the article from the Tombstone Weekly Epitaph from april twenty sixth, eighteen ninety. David Weatherly goes on to say there were no follow up stories in the tombstone epitaph regarding the giant winged creatures living in the Arizona desert, leaving one to speculate that the tale may have been one of the era's creative news stories. But the saga of the Tombstone Thunderbird was far, far from over, and that's when he goes on to talk about how lots of people saw this picture, including him. Including him. Alright. Where is all this going? What is a possible explanation? Why you know, why did we go from meeting people and people types and is this a programmed world and all that into the Thunderbird photograph and how something can appear and a lot of people see it and then all of a sudden, you know, it disappears. You know I don't take a break. I have no commercials. I'm gonna wet my whistle here. I used to call this the dead celebrities phenomenon. Nowadays a lot of people call this the Mandela effect. If you look up the Mandela Effect, the Wikipedia article talks about false memories. It says false memories can sometimes be shared by multiple people. In 2010, this was dubbed the Mandela Effect by self described paranormal consultant Fiona Broom, in reference to a false memory she reported of the death of South African leader Nelson Mandela in the 1980s, who was at the time still alive, which she claimed was shared by perhaps thousands of other people. Other such examples include memories of the Barenstein Bears name previously being spelled as Barenstein with an E. So let me stop and repeat that. Okay, like right now, if you're a good speller, how do you think the Barenstein Bears is spelled? A lot of people think it's B E R E N S T A I M. Okay. A lot of people think it's B E R E N S T E I N. What do you think it is? Well, turns out it's the first one. B-E-R-E-N S-T-A-I-N. Like stain. Like, oh, I have a stain on my shirt. That's how it's spelled. A lot of people who think it's S-T-E-I-N swore to that, apparently. They give another example of a 1990s movie titled Shazam starring comedian Sinbed as a genie. Well, guess what? That movie never existed. So do you think you remember a movie called Shazam with Sinbed? That didn't exist. So, I mean, like, I you know I I've had conversations with Mobius before about like how we both remember uh Hervey Villages supposedly being dead, and all of a sudden he wasn't dead. I remember Jack Pallance, for me, that was a big one. Oh, Jack Pallance died. I remember watching the news story. All of a sudden Jack Pallance isn't dead. People call this the Mandela effect, but I used to call it the dead celebrities phenomenon because whatever happens to a celebrity is uh is prominent. You know, like this could you know, something like this could happen to ten thousand non-celebrities and nobody pays attention, but it happens to one celebrity, suddenly we notice it. So you start to to wonder, hey, is this reality that we're living in some kind of a fluid, flexible reality? Is it like some kind of a computer program? Is it some kind of a simulation? Is this virtual reality taken to the max? Well, I address this in my book The Secret Wisdom of Cukkou Khan. Now I have published books with a lot of different publishers. Simon and Schuster publishes two of my books, but when I published The Secret Wisdom of Cukkou Khan, I did not want anybody, any editor to come in and mess with this book because this book is just like too out there and too weird. And so I I self-published this book, and right now you can read it for nine dollars and ninety-five cents instantly if you download it from joshua pwarren.com. Go to the Curiosity Shop. It's compact, it's short, and it's sweet. And chapter six is titled The Paratemporal Loop Hypothesis. Now if you've never heard of this, you're saying, What the hell is that? Well, that's because I made it up. The Paratemporal Loop Hypothesis. I told you this book is short and sweet, The Secret Wisdom of Cukkokon. So I'm gonna read to you this whole chapter right now. Chapter six of The Secret Wisdom of Cukkokon. And by the way, the subtitle of The Secret Wisdom of Cukkokon. And uh make sure I don't get this wrong. It's been a while since I wrote this book. Let's see here. Interdimensional contact. Wait a second. Yep, I'm typing it in. Oh man, my throat's getting dry. I'm talking too much. I told you I was gonna give you some good stuff though. Interdimensional contact in a holosentient universe. Interdimensional contact in a holosentient universe. Aliens, spirits, cryptids, ESP. You alright here we go. Chapter six The Paratemporal Loop Hypothesis A hi um a hypothesis we'll start that over. A hypothesis is an explanation or model that hinges on at least one testable element. If that element eventually tests in favor of the hypothesis, then it becomes a theory. In this case, the one condition that is testable is whether or not traveling into the past is possible. If ever, ever, ever, ever in the infinite future, under any circumstances humans or similar beings figure out how to travel back in time, we can suppose they will. This is the basis of the peratemporal loop hypothesis. Just to be extreme, let us imagine that millions of years into the future and after humans are long gone, another species based on mammals, reptiles, amphibians, birds, insects, fish, or some type of life yet unknown, advances and surpasses our present human state and becomes the first the first to figure out how to travel back in time. Now even if it is illegal to do so, a rogue scientist won't be able to resist the temptation. For the sake of example, let's say the first person is Fishman, a highly evolved humanoid from the Earth's ocean. So Fishman travels back to the year nineteen twenty. Now we view time as an inexorable march ever forward based on our perception. But in going back, even while his timeline continues, Fishman has now created a time loop, one we will call a paratemporal loop. Now he knows how important it is for him to remain hidden and elusive. If he makes too big of an impact on the world, especially if he is seen, he could affect the chain of events ever after and jeopardize his own future existence. As a result, he would fade away like the lead character and back to the future. However, if Fishman is willing to take a risk, he could try to create some result that might enhance his position in the future. So let's say Fishman brings back a disease that will wipe out the genes of his future predator. If the risk has been calculated correctly, he may return to a better future. If he fails, he may either vanish or his future could be worse. But Fishman says what the heck and gives it a try. If he fails, then it's over and who knows when the next big being will travel back. But if it succeeds, well then Fishman is now stronger when he returns, and he ruthlessly protects the time travel technology so that no one can go back and mess him up. So let's say he successfully keeps this secret for a few years, and then he wakes up one day and the world has changed somehow. He's confused. How did this happen? Well what Fishman didn't realize was that in a million years after he was born, long after Fishman is gone, Bear Man, who has evolved from the future forests, discovers how to travel back and he has done the same thing as Fishman. Traveling to nineteen fifteen, five years before Fishman went back, tweaking the past to his advantage. So now Fishman has to go back again, this time to nineteen fourteen and correct it to his liking. He's now engaged in a sort of time battle with Bearman. But what neither Fishman nor Bearman realize is that in all of the future there are thousands of others, just like them. What we therefore have is a very complex series of millions of peratemporal loops, with countless members of countless future species all trying to outdo each other in favor of their own personal self interest in the future, and they are not fully aware of each other. What a mess. So how does this affect you and me in our lives? What if the world around you actually does change somehow from day to day, hour to hour or second to second as you move through this intricate structure of loops, some lasting days, some lasting less than a second? One moment flying saucers exist, the next moment they don't. One moment Bigfoot exists, the next moment he does not. Have you ever sworn that you saw a detailed news story about a celebrity who had died? Then you find out later the celebrity is alive again. This is what we call the dead celebrities phenomenon. At this point in the book, I kind of recap what I've already said to you, so I'm gonna skip past that. You know, I talk about the Thunderbird photo and all that. It all sounds like some dizzying plot and a bad sci fi movie, and yet if the premise of the hypothesis, which is very plausible, is true, then this is surely the realistic outcome. The one thing that most paranormal entities have in common is a connection to warped time. As touched on earlier, remember that ghosts usually represent a glimpse of the past or a person as they appeared in the past. A UFO hovers above a car and the vehicle stops. When the UFO zips away, the vehicle starts running again even though the ignition was not turned. The car didn't die, so time was apparently stopped. Someone follows Bigfoot, leaving behind a trail of tracks, and then suddenly the tracks stop in mid trail and the creature's gone. The Bigfoot has warped its place in space, and since space time's a single element in changing space, the creature's time is also changed. And yet you may ask, if a UFO hovers above a car and the car stops because time stands still, why doesn't it make the driver freeze as well? Well, of course, in some cases this does account for the missing time reported by witnesses, but in other cases the human mind continues to function because the mind is itself a time machine that generally functions independently. When you remember what you had for lunch yesterday, you are mentally traveling through time. When you imagine the outcome of tomorrow's election, you are traveling into a future possible timeline. Some people experience paranormal activity all the time. Others never experience it at all. Why is this? It may be because everyone has a unique brain and therefore a unique time machine. You actually have an entire life path that is aligned with your own pattern of loop perception. The loops around us in their layers create frequencies. Some people have a brain tuned to the frequency of the UFO realm, and others do not. And this goes for any phenomenon, just as the length of an antenna can determine what electromagnetic signals one can detect, variables within your brain and mind can determine what aspects of reality you are most apt to receive. In this sense, our worlds overlap somewhat, but we each are truly experiencing a unique reality, the product of our own personal interface with the web of timelines we encounter each day, each timeline full of new yet fleeting possibilities. In some of them you may be psychic, and others you're not. Your ability can come and go second by second or year by year. When on your conscious journey through life you pass through a substantial specific point where a loop is connected, time at that spot ceases to exist as we usually experience it. At that point, we are sometimes able to more easily perceive phenomena that are suspended in time. Especially ghosts, be them conscious or imprints. Also at the joints, our potential for ESP is enhanced, allowing the time machine of your mind easier access to stretch into the past or the future. It is highly possible that even if the staple of the peratemporal loop is wrong and beings have never been nor will ever be capable of traveling through time, well, similar time loops may exist naturally as well. Humans represent the passing of time in a straightforward linear fashion. A common modern calendar is laid out in a line of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. So we therefore imagine ourselves moving straight ahead in a smooth procession. But what if this model does not correspond to the genuine shape of time? Just one little twist here and there can turn everything upside down. If you take a strip of paper and twist it one time, then tape the ends together, you have something similar to a figure eight. And if you then place the tip of a pin in the middle of the strip and never lift the tip as you draw straight forward, you will eventually find that you come back to the same place that you started. Then if you undo the ends, you will find that although you never lifted the pin, you actually drew a straight line down the middle of both sides. If you were an ant crawling straight forward on that strip, you never would have realized that you shifted over to the other side and back. This design is called a Mobius strip. Now often just before someone witnesses a paranormal event they describe in retrospect an eerie moment of silence just before the manifestation. It seems as if time almost stops for a moment, and then the individual is utterly alone, and then pow the weirdness happens. English researcher Jenny Randles calls this the Oz factor, a sign that one is about to cross into a new realm. If time is occasionally shaped like a Mobius strip, maybe sometimes you encounter one of these twists in the timeline. And that moment just before you switch over to the other realm, all is quiet because you are not quite here nor there. You were in some fuzzy purgatory for a few seconds, devoid of the usual sensory input. And when you return back to the other side of this timeline Mobius strip, you're kind of left dazed by how out of place and unreal the entire experience seemed. In some cases, for a while you may even continue to simultaneously exist in two timelines. Has someone ever seen you somewhere you have never been doing something that you did not do? Some people even run into themselves face to face with their doppelganger or double. Modern physicists have photographed the same particle at two separate places at the same time. Now we can't comprehend this. But it happens. And it may occur in our lives from time to time. As you have read thus far, our world filled with mystery is complex enough when simply viewed from one point of view, but now imagine that complexity multiplied exponentially as those phenomena are also occurring within these countless paratemporal loops. The enormous range of subtle frequencies that waver and fluctuate, bringing us in and out of contact with a mind boggling spectrum of energies and beings operates within an ever changing reality, shifting ever so slightly like waves of light on a hot road as forces from the future struggle with those in the past to determine those possible futures again and again. In some loops we experience the flying humanoids like Mothman. Such winged beings exist just beyond our normal physical vibration, and then there is a large impending change in our world on the physical level. It is preceded by a gradual and powerful change in the energy environment. So like electrical charges building in a capacitor, they strengthen and warp our dimensions, bringing us into contact with those beings, seemingly omens of transformation. And then when finally the physical change occurs, often quickly and violently all the energies snap back into place, removing those beings from our realm until another convergence can occur. Perhaps winged beings sometimes blast into our dimension with such force that they actually destroy themselves. The incredible Tunguska explosion of nineteen oh eight left a huge butterfly like blast pattern on the ground, considered unexplained to this day. Many of the creatures so popular in paranormal lore, Bigfoot, aliens, mothmen, ghosts, chupacabra, so called angels and demons are glimpsed when the dimensions warp toward each other once in a while. During the limited interaction, most of the parties are somewhat confused, especially those I call phantomals. Paratemporals that appear more animal like than human like. Now if you read this book, by the way, a paratemporal is just a being like an alien, a ghost, a cryptid, that exists outside of this timeline. In many cases, our ability to see and interact with them is just as surprising to us as their ability to see and interact with us is to them. And yet some of them appear to truly understand what's going on. It seems rather likely that future humans do in fact figure out how to travel into the past. They may not be fully organic like us, though. Because we think of ourselves as organic, we are organocentric beings, but you are composed of metal as well. When spilled your blood leaves iron rust. As we advance, we will surely become more like cyborgs, blurring the line between the current concept of man and machine. It's already happening. How often do you see someone with a little tiny phone or computer practically glued to the ear and in the future will be a combination of organic and inorganic, just like the advanced ships of the peratemporals? That is why some describe such qualities of grazes and why there's something so unsettling about the inhuman quality of men in black or MIB. Now if you want to understand the men in black or MIB, you must ask yourself one very simple question why especially throughout the twentieth century did these men always dress in black? It is now so well known that it seems that they you know they would stick out like sore thumbs, and because of that, we don't hear as many reports of them. For the most part they have apparently changed their dress. But why? Well think about this. In the early nineteen hundreds, if you saw a man walking down the street wearing a black hat and a black suit, you might notice him, but he wouldn't look extremely out of place. And in the late nineteen hundreds, if you saw a man walking down the street wearing a black hat and a black suit, you might notice him, but he wouldn't look extremely out of place. This particular outfit was flexible enough to work within the social context of a century or more. Therefore, if you were jumping around traveling through time and within the course of one quote work day, you might find yourself visiting nineteen fifteen and then nineteen eighty nine, then nineteen fifty three, where you could keep the same clothes all the while. Now this is a convenient suit that fits within the general fashion of the era. Not specific enough to be quite right, but not so generally strange to draw undue attention. If the paratemporal loop hypothesis is correct, then the MIB are future humans, slightly cyborg, maybe with some alien influence, who work to keep the secret of paratemporal contact and time travel for the benefit of future humans. In that regard, they are the most human of the peratemporals. Now, of course, I don't mean to say there are not regular old government spooks running around in black suits as well. But there is much less of that than you might think. We're talking about time police. Given that standard, non paranormal government and military powers form the bulk of our system, and they thrive on creating confusion to maintain their secrecy, this whole thing is further complicated by low level government taking advantage of the ridicule factor associated with people who discuss the paranormal. So for example, let's say a military division is practicing how to secretly run a civilian area at night or run through some civilian area like a neighborhood or whatever, and they choose your backyard as a practice course before going into a live war zone. If your dog starts barking and you look outside to see men running by with rifles, you'll likely call the police. But if those same men are wearing rubber alien masks, you might hesitate to pick up the phone and tell the local authorities that you've seen two aliens in your backyard. So, you know, for this reason I feel confident that governments sometimes disguise their personnel and equipment in the guise of paranormal imagery from modern pop culture. It works. The real paratemporals seemed to have a fascination with human life forms, and especially blood. There were reports of mothman chasing a blood mobile and women on their periods. Chupacabras suck blood. Cattle mutilations leave carcasses without blood. Again, it's not inconceivable that some of them are actually eating humans. The idea of the vampire itself is likely based on this fact, as Bram Stoker wrote The blood is the life. And when paratemporals appear, they often leave traces of radiation. Firsthand witnesses have shared records of radiation exposure and conjunctivitis with me. Massive radiation also has a tendency to settle in the anus, so mutilated cattle with cord out rectums may demonstrate that someone is checking the carcasses to measure the amount. In many cases, cattle mutilation is just the product of natural decomposition with tiny insects and microorganisms eating the most sensitive parts of a highly symmetrical anatomy, creating the appearance of fine slices with a blade, but along with digestion of leaking fluids, that does not explain something like radiation. There are many ways in which strange beings manifest, and there are evidence and methods we can use to discern the real peratemporals from deceptions and delusions. But keep in mind that all these phenomena may exist within those loops so abundant that they enshroud our lives and the entire human experience. And as you read these words, the world outside your window may essentially look the same, but just beyond your view it is changing in some fundamental way. Since we are talking about time travel, there is one other point that should be made. It is possible that those or at least some of those who travel into the past cannot interact with it. They might be invisible to us or partially invisible, since their dimensional position may be close to ours but does not completely merge. If that's the case they might appear as shadowy figures that quietly watch us, the infamous shadow people. As opposed to shadowy phantasmal forms that might simply be ghosts that have not fully materialized, shadow people behave in a particular fashion that defines them. They tend to crouch back at a corner or some other subtle nook and watch us, yet when they are noticed they quickly exit. Now if from the future this could explain why they run, they know that if you merely perceive them, it could influence the chain of events, altering the timeline and jeopardizing the future. There are other paratemporals that simply watch us, though. We enjoy stories about those we feel help us, angels and such, yet some of the most frightening stories you can imagine come from those of a ghoulish nature. One story that raised the hair on my flesh was that of a young woman who moved into a haunted house. At first she didn't know it was haunted. The first night she woke up at two AM sharp and sprang upright in bed. All seemed fine. The second the exact thing happened same two AM and again the third night. After she told a co worker he suggested that she set up a camera on the room and he lent her his. And that night the same thing happened but with the camera rolling this time. And the next day, upon returning from work, she watched the footage. There she was, lying asleep in bed, all normal. Then at one fifty seven AM a tall black form, very similar to the grim reaper, quietly drifted up to her bedside. He stood there, silently watching her sleep until one fifty nine AM Then he turned and glided away, and moments later she sprang upright at two AM. Just as some of the peratemporals want our blood, others simply want our energy. If you see them and are panicked, you withdraw your energy field. But when you don't see them and you're relaxed and at ease, your aura is wide and radiant. You're vulnerable, and it's easier for them to feed off your energy directly without your attention. The paratemporals that slip in and out of this realm sometimes orient themselves to humans and take our organ. So when one realizes that a paratemporal is trying to avoid observation, it is because that being is either a biofeeder or is a partially manifested time traveler from the future attempting to stay hidden as he or she watches us for a variety of purposes. This realm, this synchronistic fantasy in which we perceive so much yet are conscious of so little is truly an overwhelming place. In the most technical sense, this very moment is all that really exists the here and now. But how long is that moment? Time is indeed a flexible thing. Your time machine, the one between your ears, is processing data as quickly as it can. Your wormhole brain is sucking it in and shooting it out as rapidly as possible, the frequency changing all the while. And as the program runs through where is it leading? What happens when you reach the end? Alright, so that was the chapter. Chapter six from The Secret Wisdom of Cuckoo Khan. The next chapter, chapter seven, is called Your Purpose and Intention. Your Purpose and Intention. So this is gonna definitely be one of the longest podcasts I've ever left for you, but it's kind of like, you know, a semi-audio book as well. Now I hope you can see where I was going with all this. Alright? I was saying maybe there's some kind of thing happening here that we would perceive as a program. And sometimes we can tell even more clearly it's a program because the program has glitches and flaws. Maybe it's like having deja vu in the matrix. And that's why you have the dead celebrities phenomenon, the Mandela effect, the uh Thunderbird photo type thing. And if so, why is that? Well, you could say, Well, our brains are just all screwed up, but the problem is they seem to be so collectively screwed up that it makes you think perhaps there's a mechanism that we are all uh prone to tap into. And if so, what is that mechanism? Maybe the paratemporal loop hypothesis and associated phenomena help us understand that mechanism. Look, the simplest mysteries are the ones we saw first. We've done a pretty good job. Hell, we've been to the moon. We're about to go to Mars. We've actually we've already been to Mars. We haven't sent a person, but you know, we've that's pretty amazing you can send a probe, you know, outside of our solar system, which we've done. Voyager. I mean, we've reached a point now where we have solved so many mysteries and overcome so many problems and achieved so many things. That what remains now are the most complex and sophisticated things that involve something about the nature of reality itself and who you are and how your mind works and the philosophy and psychology. psychology and spirituality of how you relate to this whole thing and what the makeup of all this is. Perhaps that has something to do with it. Like I say, if you enjoyed that, and maybe you didn't, if you didn't, I'm sorry, because that may that may just been like just too much to toss out there. But if you enjoyed it, go to joshuapwarren.com. There's no period after the peak. Go to joshua PWarren.com and scroll down. You can buy the Secret Wisdom of CukoCon as an instant download for $9.95 right now and get deep because it goes that was deep, but there's a lot of other deep stuff in there. Who the fuck is CuckoCon? Where what does all this mean? What is all this about? How does it apply to technology and what happened in World War II? I mean some people have told me I read this book and this was the life changer. Like this opened my eyes and suddenly it all snapped into place for me. So I wanted to give you something to think about since I'm not going to be able to do as many podcasts as usual until I get all this TV stuff over with. Because my TV shoot schedule even though it's crazy I'm you know it it's it's even crazier than usual because I am going to be operating some equipment for the first time. You know I for about well less than a year I've been using the Ron Heath's DT meter, the differential time rate meter. I was the first investigator given the opportunity to go out and use it and what I discovered made international news. Well I am taking this thing for the first time ever to Brown Mountain where the Brown Mountain lights are seen and the Brown Mountain lights are part of a phantasmagoria of theories. Nobody knows if we're talking about something related to piezoelectricity or time space warps or aliens and UFOs or ghosts or you know like you just name it. It could be any of those things. And then I'm going to be doing the very first ever proper investigation with the opticalizer which I talked about on a previous podcast and I've been going out at night and getting a database assembled of various types of light sources that I can use with the opticalizer. But again I'm going to be out in the field a lot in rural places and so I'm just telling you right now don't get your feelings hurt if you don't hear from me or I don't reply to your emails or messages. I usually do a good job at that but that's not going to be the case over the next few weeks. I don't care if you're a really good friend or if you're just somebody who is listens and emails me once in a while just you should know things are going to be different for a bit but every single weekend well actually let me start by saying every night we're now in the season every single night if you're on the East Coast you can take the Haunted Asheville Ghost Tour which goes into the Asheville Mystery Museum. Okay this is my creation I own all of this hauntedasheville.com in Asheville North Carolina if you're near the West Coast we are doing for the foreseeable future on Saturday nights the creepy Vegas Ghost and UFO show I'm not going to be here but Nick Weird is the host you're in good hands you'll see holograms you'll see all kinds of crazy stuff creepyvegas.com creepyvegas.com it's a hell of a good show nothing else like it really probably in the world to be honest with you creepyvegas.com and then remember that on the night of Sunday july fourteenth in Las Vegas we're going to have the Cosmic Invocation a UFO summoning event hosted by Devin excuse me hosted by Derek Evans and I am producing that I'm proudly producing that and it looks like I'm going to be there. I wasn't sure at first because of my TV schedule but it's looking like everything's going to work out for me to be there for that as well. 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