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Hello, I am Joshua P. Warren, and this is Joshua P. Warren Daily. Last month, June 1st of 2018, I was contacted by a Silicon Valley engineer named Ronald Heath, and he told me that he had created a meter for the guy who has every other meter. It's called the DT meter, which stands for the Differential Time Rate Meter. Now, Ronald said he was inspired by an episode of the X-Files in which Mulder syncs up two stopwatches and then takes one to a UFO hotspot. Afterward, Mulder compares the two and finds they are different. Hence, something in the space-time environment had changed. So Ronald Heath created the DT meter to provide the same kind of feedback. It's a device that is comparing two points and the timing of a signal traveling between those two points. Now, Ronald honored me with being the first field investigator to try out his new invention. And I found a time anomaly, according to the DT meter, on June 18th, 2018, in the desert just north of Las Vegas, Nevada. I found out later that this spot just so happens to also be a UFO hotspot where astounding footage of strange lights have been filmed by researchers like Steve Barone and at least one man, Sean Kevin Jason, had a full-blown close encounter with a huge triangular craft back in 1996. My finding made international news, and in countless interviews, I have been asked for more information about the inventor of the DT meter and how the device works. Therefore, I could not be more pleased to present this conversation with the man behind the machine. Ronald Heath, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_00Hey Joshua, it's real honored to uh be on the show, and uh that's pretty exciting.
SPEAKER_04Well, you know, uh I don't think either one of us foresaw this, did we? Uh how all this was going to turn out, right?
SPEAKER_00No way. That that's uh that's pretty uh pretty great development. I I let's congratulate on finding the uh anomaly. That's incredible.
SPEAKER_04Well, you know, thank you for uh everything. I mean, w again, it was very serendipitous how all this worked out because as you've heard me say, I was looking for some uh reason to go to Area 51 uh anyway, and when you contacted me about your new device, I knew that, oh yeah, this is something that needs to be taken to that spot. And so, you know, what's funny is I've done so many interviews now with people uh all over the certainly the country and even the world about the finding, and sometimes people want to talk to me more about uh my opinion on you know how what this means and and theories and all that kind of stuff, but sometimes people want to get even more technical and and they want to know more about the the device. And so um in this conversation, I mean I think we should let everybody know that it's okay if we get a little technical. Um we we're gonna geek out a little bit and you know, trying to get into some of the details and specifics for those who want to know exactly how this works. But uh let's just begin with you, Ronald. So um uh tell me a little bit about where you're from, where you are, and the path that you've taken throughout your life.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well, I've I've always been uh been interested in electronics, um, or since a very young age. And uh I spent uh four years in the Navy uh a long time ago. And uh the last 20 years or so I've been uh uh electronics engineer in Silicon Valley. And um I always have uh side projects uh going on and uh uh a number of these involved uh various types of UFO detectors and um and the Mulder uh episode was was really uh a great uh inspiration. I I um was looking for uh a detector that would have no false alarms. Um the magnetic detectors presently, you know, if they they detect uh passing trucks and stuff like that. Uh so but the the time rate, um we don't have any technology that's available on textbook that could cause uh difference in time rate, a measurable 100 feet away. So that's what I built.
SPEAKER_04And so now you live in California right now. Are you from California?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I live here all my life.
SPEAKER_04Okay. And so uh and do you mind telling everybody uh roughly what age you are?
SPEAKER_00Um well I'll see that uh that I just retired last week.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Well, congratulations on that. All right. And so, and the reason I ask is because I want to make it clear just how long that you have been doing this kind of work and the exposure you've had to how technology has evolved. And so uh throughout most of your life to make a living, I mean, what are the kinds of projects specifically that you've worked on? I know you've done work with LEDs, for example. Uh I don't know if you feel comfortable mentioning the names of any companies, but you know, how much detail can you tell us about your resume?
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well, um my uh day job um always involves uh designing and building small add-on circuits for larger machines. I've designed circuits for mass spectrometers and electron beam lithography, and uh I can't really go into specifics about what exactly they're working on because um mostly they're RD projects.
SPEAKER_04Okay. And and so uh basically when you show up for work, I mean, do do you have just a little table uh and and you just sit down there and you're surrounded by just tons of circuits and s a soldering iron, or like what does your workspace look like on a most of the time throughout your life? What does that workspace look like?
SPEAKER_00Well, I usually have um both a cube and a lab. Uh I have uh the cube has the computer and and normal uh papers and stuff, and uh the lab is has the soldering iron and uh test equipment, uh and you go back and forth between the two.
SPEAKER_04And how did you learn to do all this? Did you go to school or are you self-taught? I mean, what's your educational status?
SPEAKER_00Uh I've been educated in both different ways. Um when I was a kid, very young, I broke open electron tubes and find out what's inside. In uh teenager I I made uh electronic projects, um I probably shouldn't mention but they they uh caused uh interference on TVs in the area.
SPEAKER_04Right. Done that too, I know what you mean.
SPEAKER_00Okay. But um when I was uh uh out of s right out of school, I went into the Navy and learned uh computers and in there and machine language programming. And I was on a ship for a while maintaining uh data entry uh consoles. And got out of the Navy and went to work in um as a technician for years and put myself through night night school and became an engineer.
SPEAKER_04So most of your formal education came from the Navy then, is that right?
SPEAKER_00That's right, and coursework.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. And so um did you work on things that were classified uh or or what I mean, what what can you talk about some of the things you did in the Navy?
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah. Um I was a technician, I maintained um radar tracking um display consoles that and your data into a computer system for uh tracking and fire control.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Okay.
SPEAKER_00At this time it's not no longer classified.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, amazing how that happens, isn't it? You know, as as as time goes on and the technology explodes. Um so, well now uh was there w some kind of experience that inspired your interest in UFOs, or I mean, where does that come from?
SPEAKER_00Uh my grandfather saw one and ever since then it's kind of been in the back of my mind. Mm-hmm. Um I've always always not really had too much trust in in what um I was being taught as far as uh especially physics. Um so I was always looking for a way to detect to see if anyone actually else had the technology that um in theory should exist.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. And you know, in in preparation for this interview, you sent me some pictures to sort of give an idea of various prototypes that you made for this meter that is now becoming world famous. And you've been working on this for a long time. I think you said uh you attempted it for the first time in in 2004 with a big bulky-looking contraption. Is that right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was the first one. Um there was there was a 9500 series from Xylinx at PGA. I mean, I'm getting way technical probably, but but they were cheap chips and they had a a large amount of area to program the um as far as logic. And I used uh combined that with a demo board for uh uh something called a rabbit processor, and uh it worked, but um it at that time the technology wasn't up to it to make a product that was um cheap enough to sell. And I mostly I didn't make it for that. I made it to do uh other experiments that I was working on at the time.
SPEAKER_04So now you uh you've heard me uh give all these interviews and try to explain to people the concept behind the DT meter. I even sort of did it in in your intro here, but uh let's hear it in your words. I mean, tell everybody, you know, what is the concept behind the DT meter and how this thing works.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um the the concept is is that um you have um an oscillator that's uh away a distance away, and you have a local oscillator, and then you have uh computer uh that counts the pulses fast at a fast enough rate to give you a good resolution. Um so so this computer counts every pulse that's coming in from the from the uh detector unit and it um compares the count with the internal oscillator. Both oscillators um are from the same company, they have the same specs, and there should be no difference other than the temperature variation. So since um it's a digital count and um the the microcontroller is very reliable, there should never ever be um a difference. So I count the difference and display it on the screen. Um the whole concept is is that um from a lot of evidence that um many scientists wouldn't stand up to scientific scrutiny possibly, um there must be time anomalies. There's been too many reports. So um my main goal in 2004 uh was to build a device that would uh cause a time anomaly. Uh of course, have not quite been yet successful in this yet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's a little different uh to detect one versus to create one, right?
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04Um well in fact it's kind of funny because um I ha I now that m you're making uh small batches of these, uh one uh researcher contacted me who I think he was he didn't understand exactly what the purpose of the uh device is, and uh he he was asking me how he travels through time with it. And I said, uh I don't it's not a time machine. Um that but uh it it it might help you find a place where you can increase the odds of having having a a time anomaly experience. Uh okay, so what by the way, that what that was a great description. Um now I was on a national radio program the other night. Uh Hal Hal just mentioned it. I was on uh ground zero with Clyde Lewis, and he asked me how is this device calibrated? And I said, Well, look, um because I didn't make it, I I don't want to talk about calibration because I'm afraid I might say something that's inaccurate. So let me pose that question to you. And I think you uh you already kind of just answered it, but but let's let's reinforce this. When somebody says, How do you calibrate a device that is supposed to measure a time anomaly, what what did you do there to calibrate this thing?
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um in um normal operation in the field, um you need to have both uh the sensor and the display unit close to each other. And then when you power up, the um computer that's inside the display unit will um assume that the local oscillator is is correct and it will measure out a second. During that second it will be counting the pulses from the sensor unit. And then it will take the difference and store that difference and say, okay, it's zero now. There's no difference in time rate between the sensor and the display unit. Okay, and and then it will continue on with that same calibration uh until the next power up.
SPEAKER_04Okay. And so essentially, like so, like you said, we have uh really two chips that are just like little clocks, right? They're like high precision uh high precision clocks. And they yeah, and they sync up when you when you turn the thing on, if you follow the instructions, you know, they they sync up, they compare oscillations, and they count that as the zero reference point, and then when you move the the sensor away 100 feet, um that's you know, that's when you look for some kind of a difference between the two. And and and you even mentioned also in the instructions that you know it'd be a lot easier if you didn't have a cable, but it's a lot more reliable to have the hundred-foot cable, right?
SPEAKER_00That's right. I think you noticed in in your your second trip that it was not affected by lightning. And the reason is is because the cable itself is shielded and um it's terminated with uh 75 ohm matching re impedance at the display unit so that the um signal arrives um cleanly so and protected from the outside influences of the EMI interference.
SPEAKER_04Well, I you know, I'm glad you pointed that out because you know I've mentioned to people who are uh understandably uh critical of my finding and and skeptical and all that. Uh I I've told them, like, look, yes, this is this is an anomaly. That's what I've always called it. So I mean, that that means it's something out of the ordinary, but it's it's still the first stage in this very long new adventure of plotting points. But uh to make sure everybody understands, I have now used this meter under uh various uh extreme circumstances, both night and day. I mean, here in Las Vegas, uh more often than not, I've used it when it's a hundred to a hundred and ten degrees. Uh I have used it in the middle of a raging thunder and lightning storm. I have video footage of that on my website. And uh and and the extreme heat and extreme lightning uh didn't make any kind of a difference. I mean, I'm sitting there watching the thing with lightning bolts striking and nothing's happening. In fact, it was really kind of kind of dumb and risky for me to do that. Uh, but I did. Uh and then and then, you know, again, you you look at these extreme temperature differences, and I know that you, as a guy who thinks scientifically, you uh are uh you're already you know saying, like, look, it's possible this is a circuit, something can interfere, something can screw with how this thing works, but uh I can't see any explanation for why on that particular day, under those particular circumstances, I got the reading that I got. Now let's talk a little bit about your thoughts on that reading, because as you know, I came back and I sent you a picture of the display, and I, you know, and I we and we have corresponded a lot about how this thing worked. I I'm very particular about using it correctly. What were your thoughts and feelings about that reading that I got?
SPEAKER_00That's totally incredible. Um there's no um explanation for it uh using regular off-the-shelf uh school textbook school uh theories. It should not happen. I've taken great pains in the design to protect against over voltage, uh uh interference from like I said, EMI. The cable shielded, the internal um oscillators, they have the the can, they're inside of the uh metal can, uh as they come off the shelf. Their s their temperature spec is is um well you there the thing is um you you verified that exact unit um over time and um for temperature. So uh yeah, yeah, there's no explanation other than uh actual uh difference in time rate.
SPEAKER_04And now this particular model, and again, you started working on this uh concept in 2004. When did you actually uh get this model refined, the one that I have and the one that I'm using right now?
SPEAKER_00Okay, well I let it sit on on my shelf for many years. Okay, so uh yeah, until I I I I think it was the the X-Files FSO that keyed it in again or whatever, but but I you know I I realized a few years ago that that the technology existed to make uh to make one that I could sell for a reasonable amount of cash. And um you know I'm never sure if if anybody would be interested in purchasing it, but uh I I did uh I realized it was possible to build, so um that kind of became irresistible to me to build it. And besides I wanted uh a unit that I could produce enough of to take readings uh continually.
SPEAKER_04And you told me that you have been uh uh running at least a couple of these things, just like the one that I have for for months now already. Is that right? And just as a as a test in the background in California.
SPEAKER_00That's right. Um it it did not add very much to the cost to put in um something called an RS485 interface. And this the DT meter um will respond to commands over RS485. And you can program it to respond only to one address. So you can hook up a number of these on the same lines and a computer can talk to them. So there's a computer on the market called a Raspberry Pi. It's an experimenter's computer and it's it's pretty much all set up for remote operation and it doesn't go to sleep. So um it it's reasonably easy straightforward to program it to talk to the DT meter. So I set one up um in a place called Kelseyville California and uh there's there's two DT meters there one at right angles to the other and they they're continually monitored and logged uh except when I forget to um to uh check on it and the power goes out so uh yeah when that happens uh I lose lose data but but they're pretty much monitored 24-7 and uh I have bunches of data and I have never seen um a reading like you've got the highest I've got is like about seven microseconds is is uh the largest event that I've seen and yours is 25.
SPEAKER_04Okay well yeah I'm glad you said that let's talk a little bit about uh that and again it's totally fine for us to geek out here um I actually thought I'd written down my my measurement but um you you might even remember it I don't know but okay well let well let's talk about the display okay the display is uh it's like a calculator uh display for people who don't know is zero point and then it has eight zeros right okay so um let's just talk about the basics well what what if you're looking at that display 0.00000000 what are we looking at and what does that tell us okay um well the the design was to make it have more digits than the stability is is there on the oscillator the actual spec of the of the oscillator that I'm using is 20 parts per million and it is a one megahertz oscillator and that that um is uh guaranteed throughout the the full temperature range of the oscillator okay so so so that's gives you an idea of the maximum amount of variation which would um show up as the last three digits all zero and uh two and the next one so point zero zero zero zero zero two uh zero two sorry um anyway twenty microseconds okay that would be throughout the whole temperature variation from I I've forgotten the exact numbers of the temperature but so anyway um the last couple of digits the main purpose of those is to tell that it's still running and performing because you notice the seconds per second on the top line the last two digits are always changing and the the the next line down is the peak reading so um without those extra digits um you may not know whether something has gone wrong with the meter or not because you wouldn't notice any change for a while until the peak got updated.
SPEAKER_00But with those extra digits even though they have very little meaning um you can tell that it's it's performing as normal.
SPEAKER_04And of course if there is a a negative sign there then that it means the signal has slowed meaning that theoretically time has slowed. And if there's not a negative then that means that you know it the opposite has happened that time has sped up correct?
SPEAKER_00Yes in relation to the to the um sensor unit.
SPEAKER_04Okay. So now uh so my reading again just for and again it's totally fine for us to get into these technical details my reading uh was a peak here of 0.00002491 now uh I am not an expert when it comes to measuring time uh in fact you you've taught me a lot about this frankly but I have been telling people that I measured an anomaly that was you know like uh a 20 microsecond slowdown uh and I've described that as being something like taking a second and slicing it into a hundred thousand pieces and then twenty of them slowed down but uh I would like for you to give everybody a much more accurate description of the reading that I received please okay um yeah it's uh it's um twenty five pulses per second um the meter the meter measures seconds per second um and the the peak reading is is what you have the reading on um so the seconds per second line on the top uh would have gone up to that value and then gone back down so um as far as the magnitude of it um it's uh well let me ask uh ask you a question um when after the reading um did you notice what this what the top line um was reading over a period of of time um well I do have video footage of that uh so I'd have to go back and look at my video because I kept the video camera on it most of the time but uh you know in this one particular still that I'm looking at uh the top line is all zeros except for a two and three on the extreme right hand side yeah okay I I have that picture as well um it it it means that um the the peak reading um was not sustained for a long period of time. Right. It was just a boom just a moment when I saw that happen.
SPEAKER_00Yeah okay um yeah it's it's difficult for me to explain um that much about the magnitude of the reading but one thing's for sure uh it should not have happened at all so it's a pretty significant reading.
SPEAKER_04Um so and and how would you describe that like what is that reading instead of me saying oh it's a I got a 20 microsecond slowdown what would how would you phrase that?
SPEAKER_00Well I'd say 25 microseconds because of the rounded up I mean for me as an engineer I deal with microseconds and milliseconds all day um so it's pr pretty familiar.
SPEAKER_04So if I if if I say to you right now I got a reading of twenty five microseconds slowing down is that accurate is that a is is that an appropriate thing for me to say as a description of this well you should include per second. Okay so I would say so so like 20 we'll say 25 microseconds per second?
SPEAKER_00That's right yeah that would be the most correct thing to say. Okay.
SPEAKER_04Now you know when it the the pe the people around the world have responded as you know uh with uh overwhelming sort of uh you know emotion and input and thoughts and and when it comes to those critics there's this one fellow uh who says this is just noise this is just noise what would you say to that guy um I would say that um it's pretty well protected against just noise uh both both circuits they have over voltage protection uh the sensor unit has its own internal regulator that after it's uh protected against over voltage it it regulates uh precisely to a voltage and uh it sends it through uh uh shielded cable that that's well terminated uh and you know I I I don't know how to respond better than that.
SPEAKER_00It should should never have happened. Um if it had been uh intermittent cable problem uh you can see w see what would happen uh if you pull the cable out it would start beeping instantly and uh uh the the reading would go crazy which did not happen. Um oh I okay uh I can't I've I remembered a uh way to to put it into perspective. Um with with our technology the s uh satellites um the difference in time rate between the satellite and um here on earth is about twenty microseconds per twenty four hour period okay so uh twenty microseconds per second is something that we don't have the ability to do. Hmm so so basically then um you know people who who want to criticize this people who are looking to play devil's advocate like if you were in their shoes if you were one of those folks who's a lawyer for the fact that well this is nothing notable I'm just a sensationalist you know I'm a guy who's just out there trying to get publicity or whatever if you wanted to criticize this reading what do you think is the most credible criticism for the way the DT meter works well it um I don't have a good criticism but um it it in the ideal case it would be an area to where you could you could go to it go away and come back and and repeat the the the reading over and over. But since since we don't have the ability to make this reading happen and since you've you've used this meter continually over and over again and never gotten um that sort of reading um you've kind of proved the reliability of of the device that you have. I've designed designed the device to be to be um as reliable as within um present technology and the price range uh which is very reliable it should be it should be very reliable and I've I've been running these for months with without any uh reading like that.
SPEAKER_04So so I I'm pretty solid that it's uh that it's an actual time um a time rate difference from from location to location and um for me that's that's not even the question the question is is um what caused it and uh that's what I would really be interested in in uh uh finding out well you know you're you're reading my mind because you know that's that's ultimately where all these conversations go and when people are interviewing me they're saying what do you think caused it and I'm sure you've heard some of my explanations people who listen to this podcast they've heard me you know use my imagination but let me ask you Ronald I mean what are some of your ideas and feel free to just you know go out on a limb and get creative here like what are some possibilities for what created this?
SPEAKER_00Well there was a guy named Hutchison and he I don't know if you know the story or not.
SPEAKER_04You're talking about John Hutchison?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh yeah yeah I've interviewed John Hutchison absolutely oh well okay well he built some machines that that uh is a possibility to you know uh would be very interested to to see if he can uh take a DT meter and and uh create a machine that that you turn it on and it uh has a seconds per second difference in time rate between having the machine on and having machine off.
SPEAKER_04If you if you look at what he's done is is he's used uh high voltage um and uh microwave energy um and uh what you're describing uh with the lights uh that are visible one possibility is that uh there's underground uh seismic activity that causes a piezoelectric effect that could possibly uh make a uh uh time rate difference you know that this is all total speculation nobody's nobody's got one of these repeatable devices that uh or at least nobody's talking about any and and and I am the uh first person who and I've been saying this but I just want to s you to say it for the record I'm the first field investigator who got to take one of these out and do this research is that correct?
SPEAKER_00That's uh yeah that's correct. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so but I know that I am the first of many because now people are starting to understand the implications here and how many of these have you made altogether?
SPEAKER_00Uh total of uh oh twelve or fifteen.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00So less than all of them all of them are sold out except for the last three.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. Well I know that people uh have already contacted me at least two or three people and they're out there they're using these things and I really believe that whatever is causing these anomalies that we are going to to measure more and more of them very soon over the next few years. How do you feel about that?
SPEAKER_00I'm really hopeful. It would be so awesome to have to um have somebody write me and say I've got a machine I turn this thing on and I get I get 50 microseconds per second and I turn it off and it goes away. I mean that would totally tickle me because I I've tried to make such a thing and and have not been successful. Those rumors of rotating magnetic fields and uh experiments that were done in the UK with with uh superconductive disks that are rotating and you hear all these things and I'd really like to have some data and that was mostly the purpose of making this meter is to get some data.
SPEAKER_04Now obviously throughout your life you have worked on many, many different kinds of projects that have not been presented to the public um is this sort of your crowning achievement as far as that's concerned or do you have some other stuff you're working on there?
SPEAKER_00Um I have a number of projects that have been waiting for me to um get some time and um I hope hope to spend some time on it. That's um I don't know if I really want to go into that much on Yeah oh yeah no yeah I understand.
SPEAKER_04As a matter of fact uh when you uh sent I I asked you before this interview um to send me a bit of a bio and and you've never done an an interview before right this is your first interview is that correct?
SPEAKER_00Yeah yeah that's true.
SPEAKER_04Yeah and so uh and one of the funny things in your email you said basically this is all I do you know the I don't I don't go out hiking or playing golf or whatever. I mean you know this this is your thing you know you like to sit there and create circuits this is your life right that's true that's what I've been done all my life and uh as a hobby and um as my main interest as well and so um now that you uh have seen your name all over the world and then and the name of the DT meter all over the world and all that uh how how does that make you feel to be a person who has created something that is obviously having these kinds of ripples throughout the research community well I never thought it would happen and um and I'm totally tickled that's that's just uh just an incredible thing that's that's the coolest thing I've ever done well you know I uh I've told you this uh privately and I'll tell you again here I I am just so uh thrilled and honored that you thought of me first uh to send this to me to go out and use it and give me this opportunity and you know it didn't turn out the way I thought it was going to turn out I mean I had this little fantasy that I would travel from Las Vegas up toward Area 51 and everything would be normal, normal normal and then I get to Area 51 and the thing would go bonkers and then I'd be able to turn around and say yeah hey listen folks they're doing some weird stuff at Area 51 you know that's what I was hoping would happen but uh it you know it it didn't turn out that way it turned out that uh I didn't get anything unusual around Area 51 and Groom Lake it was just that little spot that nondescript spot on the side of the road in the desert where I got this anomaly and uh you know that in and of itself would have been pretty exciting but when I found out that that spot was where so much had happened that's when I realized okay this is more than coincidence. I mean I mean Ronald when you see the video of me standing there next to a man who has a model in his hands of the gigantic triangular craft that was hovering over his head at that same spot where your meter pegged so to speak and and and and this is an incident that goes back to 1996.
SPEAKER_00I mean how do you how do you put all that together in your mind yeah yeah the there's there's influences on on space time I think that that linger um it people uh have these bizarre things that happen in crop circles just as uh as an example and uh something has not only made the circle but um days later people have s effects that happen like the batteries will drain and stuff like that. So it's it's possible that that uh the space time has affected the matter and um something like that is going on. But I gotta I gotta say that um that of course that I would have sent it to you. I've I've been listening to you for many years uh and um I actually talked with a person named Obius who was trying to uh get one of one of my sensors and I couldn't uh supply one because of it's uh it was an experimental thing and there's there was no commercial application but but I've uh Always pay attention, always here, so you have a fan.
SPEAKER_04Well, I'm certainly glad that you picked me to send it to and and you knew that I would take it seriously. And also, you I and I I I hate to beat a dead horse here, but I want everybody to realize that I didn't just get this thing from you and run out and start looking around. I contacted you and and made sure I knew how to use it as as well as possible, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, you sent me an email and I sent you as um detailed instructions have an email. And it was not in in my manual. Um my manual was written mostly that you set this up in your bedroom and and have the um sensor as far away uh in your yard that you can get it from you. And that was the way it was written. But um when you mentioned that you were going to take it in the field, uh I w wanted to um have you understand that you should calibrate it with the two units together and then bring the after the calibration then then uh bring the uh sensor out uh to a distance. And that and that way you can get the difference between uh between uh the the display unit and the because if you just have it calibrated with with the uh cable already stretched out, uh it'll calibrate to zero. And you won't, you know, that's the reading you'll get.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, you know, uh and so I yeah, I did everything I could do. And so I really believe that this is a brand new, well, candle in the dark, so to speak, um, that will allow us to view these anomalies in a new way. And uh of course uh everybody asks about repeatability, and I say, well, look, uh, I think that we'll we'll get it, but it's kind of like looking for a rainbow, looking for a lightning strike. I don't know what the variables are here, but uh it wouldn't be special if if it happened consistently and predictably, but eventually we'll perhaps find some patterns and correlations. So uh we're getting short on time here, but let me just ask you um having listened to me talk on numerous occasions about you and about your invention and about how I use this, uh now that this is your first actual interview, and I guarantee you there are lots of people around the world who are excited to hear directly from you, is there anything that you want to say? Uh anything you want to correct, anything you want to emphasize, anything that you you want to inspire people to do? Is it I mean the floor is yours.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well, um uh if you're going to go hunting with one of these, I think um it it would be great to uh to test it possibly near ancient sites. Uh there's the ley lines and things like that that have not been explained. Um there's uh Richard C. Hogan has had a similar device uh uh but he used a tuning for because different. But uh it would be interested to go back to maybe that same site. Uh but I I really uh really couldn't tell you as far as what would be the best location. I mean the most obvious things that people have read before is the is the chronometers on their aircraft as they flew through this greenish fog and arrived at a totally different time when they did not have enough fuel in the plane to arrive there. So I know that these uh time anomalies exist and um I hope that my meter is uh is instrumental in uh taking some data on them.
SPEAKER_04And your website is dtmeter.com. Dtmeter as in time differential rate. Dtmeter.com. Uh is that the best way for people to learn more about you and this device or and anything else you yeah, okay. Okay. Dtmeter.com.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, dtmeter.com with no dash in the middle or hyphen or anything.
SPEAKER_04And of course, um uh people who listen to this podcast ought to know that if they go to joshuapwarren.com, they can click the tab there that says Gallery of the Strange, and I have all kinds of weird topics. And one of them is the Vegas Interstate Time Anomaly, which is what I originally called this. Uh it didn't catch on. Nobody cared about that. They just call it the time warp. But still, if you click that, it's got um all the updates on this, including the links to to Ron's work and to uh all the other you know sort of supplemental material. But um, you know, Ronald, I I gotta tell you, um you sir represent the essence, the spirit of the true explorer, uh, the true researcher, the true pioneer. And I love the fact that you know you have the imagination to think of what it takes to discover something new, and you're able to condense that down into something practical that can actually accomplish a physical goal. And uh what I can tell you being the center of attention for for all of this is that uh 88% of everything that is coming directed toward me and and vicariously to you is positive. People are excited, people this makes sense to them, and the the rest of them are people who just uh they're looking for some reason uh to just be critical. And I find them all valuable, frankly. And I think that you know, by you doing this interview, you've answered a lot of those uh questions, you've made it clearer uh about you know where you're coming from, and you're also very responsive. So if people want to email you, um is your email address easily accessible at dtmeter.com, or do you want to give out an email address as well?
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, it's on there. Um yeah, yeah. If if you want, I can I can uh give it give it out.
SPEAKER_04Well, if it's if it's on there, that's fine.
SPEAKER_00You know, to be it's better to have folks go to dtmeter.com and it'll refer you to oh oh sorry, talk over here, but um, it'll refer you to rhwebco.com, which is Ron Heath's web company. But the the the URL DT meter uh I bought to uh forward to uh the page where the manual is kept, and my book is on there too.
SPEAKER_04Well, now that you're retiring, I hope that you're really, really bored because I have a lot of ideas for things that I want you to do.
SPEAKER_03How does that go?
SPEAKER_00Always interested to hear about new new projects to build. I've I've got a got a long list.
SPEAKER_04Uh I'm sure you do. All right. Well, uh hey, you know, again, you're great. Uh I commend you for everything. And uh, what can I say? The clock has got us, but uh, thank you so much for appearing on the program with me today, sir.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you're welcome, and thanks for the opportunity to tell people about my DT meter.
SPEAKER_04You're very welcome. And uh everyone, once again, if you go to joshuapeewarren.com, no period after the pea, joshuapewarren.com, just click that link to Gallery of the Strange, and you'll see the heading that says Vegas Interstate Time Anomaly, and that's where I will be posting updates. So that's it for this particular podcast. Thank you for listening. Thank you for staying curious, and I will talk to you again soon.