Why This Wuthering Heights Remix Works And Fails At Once

We rate and debate a new Wuthering Heights adaptation, digging into where it stuns on screen and where the story blinks. We push past the outrage cycle to ask what an adaptation owes the source and what happens when a film hints at heavy themes but refuses to land them.

• why tension reads as “lewd” when it’s repression
• key deviations from Brontë’s plot and tone
• revenge vs romance and what got softened
• depiction of sexual violence and missing context
• desire, kink, and early exposure shaped by the internet
• strong lead chemistry and smart close-ups
• uneven soundtrack with a few standout tracks
• the outrage machine steering first impressions
• communication as the theme the film avoids
• final ratings and a playful “fake movie” reveal

Transcript

Cold Open: Banter And Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:15

So, have any of you guys actually like have you guys read this fucking thing?

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Uh no. No. I wasn't aware it was based on a book.

Welcome To High And Dry

SPEAKER_00 0:25

What? Alright. Well, uh, hey everybody. Uh welcome to High and Dry Podcast. I'm your host, Ryan Barron North with me as always, James Crossland. Luke, how you fellas doing this week?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

How are you doing good? How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Good. Um, we're we're happy to have you back, Luke. You know you had some scurvy last week.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

So back away with the scurvy and we uh how how are your how are your guns and teeth doing? Yeah, finally. It was rough for a minute there, but sort of enough. Got any open sores or anything? No, no, we've got it all taken care of this whole week. Just a week's time. Completely.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

I hate it when I get scurvy and you shake your head and you can just feel your teeth swaying. Um but uh I'm glad they have fixed. I'm glad they have fixed. Well, um, so uh anyway, as I was saying, um I'm Hall Strommouth. Welcome to High and Dry Podcast, the only podcast keeping the alive the fandom of Zack Began's haunted uh mysteries, whatever the fuck that thing was. Wait, what? You don't remember that thing. But tell me about it. It's the it was that fucking jackass who uh would go on. He's got a he has the fucking uh museum in Vegas now. He had a TV show with it. Really? No, goddammit.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

I don't know what you're talking about. You I think that you think I'm fucking with you, but I actually don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Wow. He he was a uh an internet personality who uh started going into um he made a show on like I don't know, the Lifetime or fucking HG1 or whatever. Looks like Hallmark.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Hallmark?

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Hallmark.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Well, come on, guy. I mean you expect never mind. Fine. I'm fine. I just missed it. Everyone else knows what this is. I don't know what this is.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

He would go into houses and he started like he was like a big proponent of that whole phase where everyone was a ghost hunter. He did ghost hunters. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Oh, okay. I've heard of ghost hunters.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

He eventually bought he bought that Gary Indiana Demon house. Yeah, he's got a museum.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Michael Jackson's childhood home.

From Ghost Hunters To Today’s Topic

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Might as well be, but uh, he's got a museum in Vegas that is super like there are some very, very troubling things on display. Uh I tell you that much. And I'm almost a hundred percent sure that him and Post Malone had sex.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Um, that's what hasn't had sex with Post Malone. Well, that's what I got. That dude just puts out. He can get it.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Oh, well, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Um, so as you may or know he looks like like a middle schooler's notebook when they're bored in math class, scribble all over it.

Pivot To Wuthering Heights

Format And Intoxicants Declared

SPEAKER_00 3:21

He does, but I'm sure he's a great guy. Uh Zach Bagan, I and I don't know. But anyway, so uh we're not actually gonna be talking about Zach Bagan anymore. Um we're going to this week, we're going to dive into Wuthering Heights. We are about to weather the fuck out of these heights, and we're gonna do it in a three-part method. Guaranteed to get you the best movie reviewing for your book. All right. First, we're gonna rate that bitch uh out of five. Then we're going to dive into the deeper uh thoughts and feelings behind the film on the golden path, and then we're going to insert ourselves, drugs, or alcohol into the movie, and what makes it so great, special, and fun is that we are going to be doing it drunk and high. So uh fellas, what are you uh what are you what are you smoking this week?

SPEAKER_01 4:09

I uh I got horchata today. Like that's it's gonna be hard, it's gonna be hard to smoke. It's very wet. Yeah, I uh I don't know if it what what where this flavor has stemmed from, but it's horchata and it does not taste like it. It's it's it's kinda yucky. I'm sorry. Okay, it's okay. It's okay. I still got my unnamed hemp. Whatever this hemp is that I had laying around, still got it. Hemp brand hemp. Get your hemp on.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

And I'm going to be joining you guys this week with Larceny, small batch weeded bourbon, mash bill whiskey. Um it's 92 horsepower. It says I shouldn't drive with it.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Don't do that. Don't drive. Are they saying you shouldn't drive with it in your car? Or is it like this standard like morning like don't drink and drive?

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Standard. Standard. Oh, in Missouri, I'd put an open container here.

Open Container Laws And Toasts

SPEAKER_01 5:13

They what? We're open container here. You can have an open container in your car? Yeah. Wow. I was I was thinking I was thinking it was just saying that you should like this is this is so explosive that you should not have it in a you shouldn't transport it by vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

But no, uh, a little note in Missouri, I could put this in a cup holder. And as long as I'm not drunk. Yeah. As long as I'm not drunk, I'm good to go. Yeehaw. Yippie Kaye, motherfucker. That's right. So, um, well, here is to uh lax drinking rules in uh the heartland, I suppose. Uh cheers into our film. Cheers.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

The heartland's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

It's a lawless place. It's uh it's a desipable spot where I can drive around with an open container. Women are essentially state-appointed birthing machines.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah. Well, I mean, it sounds like they're living life the right way. That's uh it's what our it's what our country was founded on.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Yeah. Yeah. All those uh God bless America.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

God bless Missouri.

Shoutouts To New Listeners

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Hell yeah. So it's time now for a second toast, second shot, second hit. This one goes out to our newest listeners. Um we got uh, let's see, Richland, Missouri, maybe our only non-VPN. Let's see, we got Hitchin, Hertfordshire. That's a new one.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

We get that's gotta be Australia. No, just written.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Uh Toronto, Ontario. We've we've had them a couple times, so uh thanks for using your VPN on us again. So uh and uh let's see.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

We could just have a Canadian listener. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 7:11

That could be maybe as well as uh Hells. They're bored here.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Canadians are very bored.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Oh, Council Bluffs Iowa. How exotic. Now that's a bored person. Holy shit. Guaranteed. That's we know why he's listening. So uh well, buddy, thanks for uh I guess taking that gun out of your mouth and listening to high and tripod.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

You don't know, you don't know that the gun's out of their mouth. They could have they could have just held the gun in their mouth the whole time. He likes the rim. Yeah, is this worth it? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

I like to salt the rim so it tastes like the margaritas I abuse.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

You can just put sugar on there, don't you know? You just put sugar on the rim. It's so much better.

Third Toast And Kickoff

SPEAKER_00 8:00

God damn, dude. Well, here's to him. Here's to him specifically. Cheers. Cheers. Please stick with us for one more episode. Yeah, we need your viewership. Every every uh every one counts. Oh damn. All right. It's time. The final one right here. Load up your last toast. This one I guess goes to uh shitting all over the literary classics from what the uh attack rage machine is telling me. So here's to that.

Initial Reactions To The Film

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yeah. I uh again did not know this was a book. Not surprised though. Maybe it won a Hugo Award or something. Everything it's a it's a novel from the 1800s, so it's like an old book, too. Well, really liked future seeing their very good predictive writing.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Well yeah, no, it well, let's dive on it. So none of us have read the fucking book, so that's a thing. But I think that gives us some uh some clear eyes to walk into this theater with. So I I had so many thoughts walking out of this, and I was I I was so confused, and I don't know how to feel.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

And it was a confusing movie. Uh, you know, a lot of um a lot of visuals that were you know there was there was so much emotion and movement and stuff in the visuals that it was just uh you know, it was hard to keep up, it was hard to keep your eye on it. Filled you with a lot there was and there was so much tension between the leads. I'd agree. There was tension between the leads.

Is It Lewd Or Just Repressed

SPEAKER_00 9:59

There was some tension between those leads. Well, uh Luke, uh would you do me the honor of starting this one? I need to hear one of your guys' opinions.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Yeah, so I I didn't read the book, but I have I know somebody who did, and they gave me like a kind of a breakdown. And I guess the the movie and the book were very, very different, which we kind of knew going into the director said that this was going to be an interpretation. Oh, really? Yeah, I missed that. Yeah, yeah. The director said, Yeah, because they put the the titles actually in quotes, worthering heights. Oh, okay. Are you serious? Yeah. So it is it's an and it's an interpretation of the story. Now, with that being said, like you said, I Ryan. Holy shit. I was on the internet I was on the internet, and apparently people are outraged about this. Yes, they were not not happy that they've done it this way. Um and I uh personally I didn't mind it. I thought that the movie was pretty decent. I I enjoyed my time watching it. I didn't know what to think. I saw it on Valentine's Day with Cam.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Well, were you able to find a dry seat?

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Yeah. Imagine that. I the issue was dry when I left after I was yeah, no, it was it was uh I thought it was a good movie. I I thought cinematically that some of the camera work was really, really fun. I thought that it wasn't explicitly lewd in the sense of just like new nudity and like don't get me wrong, there was the sexual aspects of the movie, however, it wasn't like as in your face as I thought it was gonna be. I thought that was a good one.

Book Vs Movie: Big Deviations

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Well, I'm super glad that you brought that up because so many people are freaking out about like how lewd it was, and I'm watching it going like this isn't lewd. You guys just don't know how to process raw emotion.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

In fact, like many parts of it are like repressed, and there's like lots of tension that's like building because of the repression.

unknown 12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

It's like it's like the it's like the two scenes that our leads end up in are like different uh kind of uh emotional sets where their ability to be uh like uh uh intimate with each other are either facilitated or repressed. Yeah, I agree. But yeah, so it definitely is not that like I feel like the the preview was kind of you know, it almost misinterpreted it. Uh-huh. Alright, alright. Or missold it. Missold it is a better way to say. But uh what were the differences? Really quick, what were the differences? Because you said you did a little research between the book and the movie. Again, so again, I was no idea that. I really, really appreciated this. Um I really, really appreciated this. My she my co-worker gave me a whole breakdown of the differences. So realistically, the book is not so much of a uh it is a romance, but it's not. It's almost like a revenge story. And it's it's Heathcliff's revenge. And in the book, the brother doesn't die. The brother is alive, and his name isn't Heathcliff. And the father actually is not a like a tyrant, and he's not the villain. He's actually a loving father who loves Heathcliff actually more than he loves his own son to a point, and that's why his son ends up becoming resentful. His fat the father dies eventually, and the son takes over the estate and treat makes Heathcliff a slave. Also, Heathcliff at this in this time is black because that's the time that it was in. It wasn't a white slave boy.

Heathcliff, Race, And Canon Debates

SPEAKER_00 13:42

It was well now, so I looked into that portion of it because that seemed to be the main outrage. Um, and what I was able to find, and please correct me if I'm wrong for the love of God, so I'm talking on the right foot here, was that the only description of Heathcliff was that he had dark hair and dark eyes. And so there was also potential that he was Roma. There was like it was never officially like it was it was always nebulous.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

I could be wrong. So, but so this is how this this woman who I know portrayed or perceived him at least. So she you know, her word isn't the Bible by any means. So Yeah. But yeah, so it Heathcliff ends up becoming a slave at that point, and then that he but then he does end up seeing uh and hit him and uh Cathet never have sex, that just that never happens. It's just like all yearning in the book. They just like bust after each other, and then it actually um from that point she Heathcliff does hear, you know, Kathy kind of be like, he'll degrade me, and then she ends up he he does move away, comes back, but then from there it's him just being an absolute monster trying to destroy Kathy's life. There's no more like like there is a little bit of romantic tension still, but other than that, like a little bit, it's he is like maliciously trying to destroy destroy her life. Her like um her nephew is like a slave in the manor now because he took the the brother got became a drunk and died it, but had a son. And Heathcliff's taken over the manor now and is like made her his son a slave. So it's a big difference, like in the way the story's gonna be. All of this sounds wildly different than the movie I than the movie I watch, certainly. Well I mean it's not that far off from the movie.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

So well in the second half of the novel, you know, after she passes, he's haunted by her.

How The Film Reframes Themes

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Yeah, yeah. And that's way and she dies certainly. She dies way later. Like it's like a lot later that it that she it yeah, it's a it's uh it's a whole um it's a whole nother story. Pretty much a second half of the could be a second half of uh of a movie. However, but yeah, um but with that being said, I thought the movie itself was good. If I if you went into it, the I went in the way I did, no, no thoughts, no like, oh I want to see it this way. I think it's a good time. I think like there's um clearly the two main actors, Jacob Alordy and Morgarabi, have chemistry on screen in the movie. They they clearly like just you know worked well with each other throughout the film, and I thought the rest of the cast, including the the nanny, uh Hong Chow, um, she did a really good job. Uh she was like I I really hated her. I was like, oh my god, I hate this character. Oh yeah, in the book as well, she's not evil at all. She's like a loving, like she's just a loving nanny who loves loves Kathy. Um and the father as well. I don't know who this I don't know who Martin Clunes is. Do you guys clone as uh oh, you're talking about the sea dog? I don't know their names. That's what we call them on the island. That's the dad. Oh, is that oh god, no.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Yeah, Margarie was there, so uh don't let her tell you otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Don't let her fool. But yeah, so I thought everybody did a good job. And I thought the cinematography was actually really cool. There was multiple scenes that I had notated down that there was like one scene where it was the husband, Edgar, and Margarie was in her room, and each of them were in their prospective um outfits and the color scheme, like from each from it was like a royal green to a hallway that was like a page color to a I wonder if there was something wrong with my projector because uh when you know I remember their outfits being mostly really monotone, like that it was he even the main character, you know, the main the main guy even complained about how you know how his how his uh uh clothes were so white and uh no there was no color there for him. I don't know. No, I that that is not what I meant. The use of color in this movie was this what a movie have you won? This cannot be.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

What are some of your scores? Because I am dying to dive into the fucking second part of this. Uh there was shit I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

So acting, I definitely would give a 4.5. I was told that Kathy was portrayed very well from the book, and then also I just felt like every every um scene I wasn't pulled out by somebody like not performing well. Um I really, really liked it, so I give it a 4.5. Cinematography, I'm also gonna give a 4.5. Like I said, there were multiple scenes where I was like, that this is kind of a standout. I think they did a good job with close-up shots to build like uncomfortable sexual tension at times. And it was, yeah, uh, but it was really good. And then the score and soundtrack honestly let down a little bit. I thought like I it was sold to me like it was gonna be the best soundtrack ever with Charlie XEX, SEX. Well, I'm not gonna lie, she had one song that did give me that I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It was yeah, yeah. Yeah. I listened to it on the way home.

Color, Camera, And Soundtrack

SPEAKER_01 19:11

That's amazing. That yeah, that's what it just movies. It wasn't like phenomenal for me, but I it still was good. 3.5. Um story and plot. I thought it was I thought it was pretty good. Um it's obviously like about kind of shitty people, um, which is always a difficult story to just want to love. Um it's just kind of like, oh my god, these people suck. Like they're all oh my god, like morally, like just everybody is wrong. And I uh Yeah, they were all they were pretty naive and then and then you know, willing to do anything to to fulfill their you know what they wanted in the end. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. I would agree. Yeah. But yeah, and then the uh rewatchabil. Oh, so I gave the story in Plata 4. Um, because I still did I still did like it. Like I said, overall, I I thought the movie was was good. And then the rewatchability 2.5, I don't, I'm not like it, and that's not like a it's weird, it's not that like I don't want to read the book either. It's like you know, yeah, it's just it was just like a good movie to watch one time. Now that I've seen it, I've been like, okay, cool. I've seen this one a few times. I don't know. But I did like watching a few times.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Well, I liked watching Margot Robbie suck fingers. Uh other than that.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Yeah, the the the blonde lead can really get it.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

For for real. Like gorgeous. Especially at this time, just peak, just beautiful, amazing. Yeah, so that can that that's all my scores.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Okay, all right. Uh well, let me dive on in. Um, James, if you don't mind me throwing my scores.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

No, no, get ahead of me. That's fine. Because you know, Luke's Luke's uh Luke's description of the movie and everything really differed from what from what from my notes. Maybe maybe things will even out when I hear yours.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

So uh for me. Acting and again, I'm a guy going in, so like it's wild. Like, as soon as this movie dropped, the everyone pulled out the copy of Wuthering Heights that they had just been keeping in their pocket this whole time, and I just hadn't fucking noticed, and like we're ready to murder over a book that in high school I refused to read. And so I walked in um just fucking you know, blind.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

You're just ready for a popcorn movie.

Ratings Round One

SPEAKER_00 21:47

I I well I I was ready I was ready to bioctane thrilling. Yeah, yeah. I from what I understood, Vin Diesel was gonna be cruising around in uh fucking Camaro, and I was ready. And Margarie's there, so I'm already down to party. So the for me, the acting I I thought the acting was solid across the board. Um I is an Academy Award chilling in this film somewhere? No. But I I can't even I honestly but if someone did win an Academy Award from this one, I wouldn't fault them. I mean, like Margot Robbie fucking brought it.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Yeah. Like Yeah, I felt like her I felt like her perfor well, I guess we'll get to mine, but I don't know if I exactly agree with the woman lead's performance on this. I think it was kind of lackluster. But I mean, we'll it's fine. We'll get to it.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

But uh, like she was she was great. And everyone else was just there to sort of keep her going. She she played this perfect little uh fucking psychopath. And uh I give the acting a 4.5.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Well, even the child actors were really good. The ones who played played them in their early life.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

I thought they were really solid too. None of them pulled me out of it. Uh oh, yeah, I give the acting a 4.5. Cinematography, it was um it it definitely made me fucking look. I had a lot of people tell me like the it's not historically accurate, and I'm like, guys, I I've I watched that movie, two minutes in, I could tell you that no shit, it's not historically accurate. Like, no fucking shit.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Well, yeah, I mean, I mean the it takes place in 2019, and you would uh it's clearly not the same kind of uh you know, it's clearly not what we would recognize as uh as historically accurate.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

God damn it. So cinematography for me um 2019, what took place in 2019? Um cinematography for me, I give this thing I like it. I like seriously, I was watching it and it like it evoked a response. I give the cinematography a four. I give the cinematography a four. Um scoring soundtrack, one song took me out of it. I I saw very quickly that this was supposed to be like a Neo Wuthering Heights, and so I I was prepared to accept that hey, we're gonna do a sort of a weird soundtrack, we're we're bringing this, it's something different. And one song did take me out of it, Jurassic Park style. You know, the movie where we realized that maybe Scarlett Johansson isn't an actress.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah, I kind of recognize you know, she she looks a lot like the female lead, you know, from this movie.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Are you doing Total Recall?

SPEAKER_01 25:00

No, it's definitely not. I definitely didn't watch Total Recall.

Story Critique: Too Many Threads

SPEAKER_00 25:05

God damn it. All right, and uh I would say that but then it brought me back in. There were some songs that really fucking took me, and one of them I even listened to on the car ride home. And so for that, I give the soundtrack and score a three. Or Tarantino three. Story and plot. This is where I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to knock it because then not because it's based off of uh everyone's favorite book, apparently, um, but because um the writer was unable to find a point, like what they were trying to say. They were unable to find what they were trying to say, um, and didn't stick to it. There were so many things that were brought up that we should have talked about, like class inequality, race classism, race inequality, rape.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

What what it means to be human.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Um there were so many things, and but they never delved into it. It just became a fucking fanfic where we watch you know Robbo uh Robbo Marco Robbie. Rago Mobby sucks some fingers.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

And and uh fingers, she has said fingers suck.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Well, and and Alison Oliver put a collar on and fucking bark like a dog. That's what we saw. I missed that scene. That would have been pretty great. It was fucking wild, dude. Um fucking wild. Yeah, I was I I I did have to, you know, I had to like cross my legs on that one. But um that that that was my problem with the story. Like, if you're if you're gonna do it, pick what you're trying to say. And this this didn't pick what it was trying to say. So for that, I give the story a two. Rew rewatchability. I'm gonna watch this one more time just to make sure that I saw it with the right lens, and I'm gonna get into that in part two. Uh lens next time. Well, rewatch ability, I give it a three.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

The lens I uh uh that mine came through had a lot of flare on it.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

A lot of lens flare. Well, uh, James, you want to uh give us your scores?

The Island Bit: James Didn’t Watch

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Yeah, sure, sure, sure. So uh so like I said, you know, uh, you know, a lot of the things that uh you guys are saying I'm disagreeing with. You know, I think that on the acting level, I'd say, you know, I'd say it was okay. You know, our our two leads, they did a good job of of of playing like naive at the beginning and and being afraid to ask questions, you know. They they you could tell that our that the characters were like getting close to each other, but you know, there were so many eyes on them all the time, and you know, uh they had separate quarters and separate uh you know um uh sleeping arrangements, but they were always monitored, you know? And uh, but you could you could tell that every once in a while they'd get in proximity of each other, and someone was really quick to jump in and and and stop that. You know, and uh and I felt like uh I felt like Sean Sean Bean did an excellent job uh as like the authority figure, um kind of kind of kind of like try trying to try don't don't look don't look it up. Don't look you can't you can't I'm not looking at anything up. Okay, okay. Yeah, you use your own skills first. You know, he keeps a close eye and uh he he you know questions you know whether whether uh whether our leads are like getting out of control. Uh Jim Hansu was really good in it, you know, uh try you know, being like uh you know that badass who like you know comes in for uh for to control the situation, to get to wrest control back from our protagonists who who once they move you know away from the living arrangements, you know, out into the out into the wilds, uh, you know, into into the into this you know brave new world uh uh of of the water of the watering guys. That's that you know they need to be.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

You got it already.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Is that the fucking island?

unknown 29:53

It's the island.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Son of a bitch. Of all the Oh, is that the island?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Oh, is that the island? Uh you know, I was saying there were different, you know, a lot of things, but yeah. A lot of great parallels though, you know. You know, the tension between the characters at the end, they get to a French kiss. Uh he's doing that, you know, do that thing with your tongue again.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Sean Bean and Hansu, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean Bean of of course dies because he dies in every movie. Um obviously. Except Silas Windows. I mean he died in our in our hearts. Yeah, yeah. I'm not even gonna score up now because you guessed pretty early.

Final Score And The Guess Reveal

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Yeah, uh we got I guess that, yeah. You you you gave me two names. Uh Hansu is what brought me back to it.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Oh, my bad.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Well, so folks at home, uh here's the new deal.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna go through it. That let's hold off on that. But I I did not manage to see the movie this week, and so I brought in a fake movie and they had to try to guess which which one I was talking about.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

But I gave you a well after this particular episode, we're gonna discuss the potential that on an episode one of us didn't watch the movie, and we have to try and lie to the other two throughout the and you know, each of us has no idea that one of us which one of us didn't see the fucking movie. Um we'll see how it goes. It'll still make us better than Fandango, so who gives a shit?

SPEAKER_01 31:32

There are a lot of themes of of classism and and rights, you know, what kind of rights people have to make their own choices and and relationships like Ewan McGregor's character, is he human? Is he the per is he is he his his personal needs?

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Well Charles Johansson was was she could really get it though. In that movie, she was banging.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

It's really good. She wasn't in Wuthering Heights. So what that means then it is time now to get into the second part of this. It's time to get on the golden path. It's time for us to take our final score.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

What was the final score? The final score is a 3.5 out of 5 for Wuthering Heights. That's really good. It's a good score. I think it's fucking fair. I thought it was gonna get higher if I'm honest with you. I really like cinematically, but I do I do agree that the story wasn't like you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

And that was the problem I had. But how many times have you seen the island? Once.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Got all that from one time watching that you remember Giuan Hansu from the island or the from that one time?

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Well, no, because I know Sean Bean.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

And so, yeah, as soon as you said another name, I'm sitting there going, Alright, who did he act with? Who did he? Ah should have only done one.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

That's my bad.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Yep. As soon as you gave me two actors, that was a wrap. Alright. I'm a host of high. That's all you need. Yeah. Well, especially if it's Sean Bean.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Like he give me a full cast, I might fucking miss it. Lord of the Rings?

Golden Path: What The Movie Missed

SPEAKER_00 33:20

All right. Well, so it's time now to move on to the second part of this. It's time to get on the golden path because I got some shit to talk about. And James, you didn't need to see this movie to talk about the shit we're about to talk about. So sure. But that means it's time for our final toast, final shot, final hit. This one goes out to quotation Wuthering Heights. Withering heights. Congratulations on your 3.5. Um, we probably just pissed off TikTok. Cheers. Cheers.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

I don't think TikTok or anyone gives a shit what we have to say.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Hey, we're a podcast with dozens of fans in Helsinki. The stakes are medium. You watch your mouth. All right, we're talking about high and dry. So all right. Well, the thing uh so Luke, my my question for you, because how did you feel leaving this fucking movie? How did I feel? Mm-hmm. As you're listening to Charlie XCX, what what what's going on with you?

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Honest to God, and this is I know you're looking for something more profound, but I saw it late at night and it was like one in the morning, and I would just wanted to go the fuck home. I was just like, okay, like the I'm glad that that that was kind of kind of done with. Like it wasn't uh it really was a movie that I I understand why I the score it got at the end of the day, no matter how good the acting was and how good the uh cinematography was, it really was just kind of a bland movie. Uh I can tell I can tell you when I was finished watching this movie, uh the the the swelling music of uh of our you know and our leads sailing away on the renovatio, which we learn is is Latin for rebirth, uh as they as they as they sail away on this experimental boat, you know, it left me with a sense of you know just uh just hope hopefulness uh about the future and of rights and and uh you know our fight against classes.

The Outrage Machine Problem

SPEAKER_00 35:38

And when when when you take when when you take a film, adapt it, say that it's just fanfic, you get shit like that, all right? Marco Robbie leaves on a boat. Uh you know, Heathcliff is obviously a white man who's just into hoop rings. But uh and that was the main problem I had with this fucking thing, was that they didn't pick what they were trying to say, because this film did have potential to say a lot. And I left it fucking just like watching the way Heathcliff, you know, does what he does and all this between Margot Rabbi and the cheating on the spouse and all that kind of thing, I left it just goddamn ashamed of myself because I've been the other man, you know? Um, and it if they decided that this was not gonna be a film about race, fine. If they decided it was gonna be a class thing, cool that the option was there. Um and but what I was left with was just um a critique on toxicity of relationships, of which I have experienced a few.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

I don't mean to interrupt, but the I think a big reason for that is because the director said that she was this is the version of the story from like just a 14-year-old girl romanticizing it's perspective. Versus like like it's it's kind of like an ignorant mind's perception of a story that was inherently dark and kind of like fucked up at the end of the day. And I think that's why we both felt lackluster in the sense of like there was so much to talk about and so much that you guys could have like dove into, but it was really just like the horny, like cut like lustful or um you know, um yearning style. So I think that's like a big reason why.

Rape Depicted, Trauma Ignored

SPEAKER_00 37:52

Really? Well, that's because I I left uh because there was a part where I'm like, if they named this anything else, like if they named this fucking Margot Robbie Island, I feel it would have been received better. But there there's just been this weird um attack on it because of I I I wasn't aware that everyone on Earth was an Emily Bronte fan. I missed that. But but apparently all Americans walk around with a fucking copy of it in their back pocket and aren't able to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Just in case both stuck together. Yeah, both both the pages stuck together. They're shelf pieces now. They're they're not opened anymore. Well Yeah, I just I do think like, but however, at the end of the day, I think like that's very interesting that I think this movie was kind of portrayed as more of a palatable because like in the original book there was like incest between the two cousins and they were in love. And there was like it wasn't it just like wasn't as like that would play with modern audiences. It would play. It doesn't do really well. But at the end of the day, like that kind of like shit doesn't really isn't really portrayed well. I think like there was uh there's like a sexual assault scene in the in the book somewhere I could be Right in the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Right in the beginning of the book? No, no, no. I'm talking about so and that was a part of it. So and and so this is just kind of an open question, so James, please feel free to you know so there's a scene in this movie. Margot Robbie's character is younger, um, and she is up in the rafters, and she's looking down into a stable, and she watches um House of Dragons eye patch guy putting a bridle onto this stable girl and essentially rape her from behind. And but then before she's a bridge.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

What was she wearing? No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

A bridle. Oh yeah, that's right. And but before Margot Robbie can gasp or whatever, you got Heathclip comes up, puts a hand over her eyes, puts a hand over her mouth, and they sort of wait for it to be done, and this rape occurs beneath them. And then in the future, when we you know transfer forward when they're adults, Margot Robbie, when she like fucking masturbates, will want someone will want her husband, well, like she wants like fucking that same scenario where Heathcliff is like doing that shit to her. And but then they never comment on the the trauma of that scene. It's just sort of we move on, and that's now a fetish of the main character.

Desire, Fetish, And Internet Shaping

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Wait, so what kind of comment do you want? Like I think for I think for a lot of people that kind of thing might refret reflect reality on whether it's good or not. It might reflect reality for for some of the audience.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Yeah, no, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Um I I definitely see a lot of discussions online about people who um who in our generation, you know, the internet was coming to prominence and you know things like pornography became a lot more available. And so they talk about you know their first, you know, the first time they saw pornography on the internet and how it kind of changed them and shaped them when they were children, you know, and and shaped the things, the things that they that that turned them on or whatever today. And for some people, they encountered, you know, extreme or or uh you know non-vanilla things, and it did have an effect on them. And some of them, you know, there's definitely discussions about whether that's trauma or or how to how to approach those things, whether it's healthy to to play those things out. Uh, you know, there's a camp that says, you know, uh don't yuck someone else's yum when it comes to fetishes and their, you know, uh uh uh whatever origins they have in their fetishes. We and then there's a camp that says, well, you know, that kind of thing probably wasn't healthy because it's trauma related because you saw something sexual way too young. I think that uh, you know, as long as it's not negatively impacting your life, you know, you sh everyone should examine themselves and the things they like and they believe at times and self-examine. You know, but as long as it's not impacting your life poorly, you know, like whatever you want. We we humans don't get to make a choice on the things they experience. Um and they often don't get to to make a choice on the things that they like. So just a few thoughts there. Very interesting, honestly. Like a very like a very interesting um way to way to think about sometimes like the shit that does shape you. Like it it's not always bad, even though that is a the movie did just kind of like brush over it. It was just kind of like that.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

Yeah, it just brushed sexual assault aside. Yeah, like it happens, but we're here to watch you know, fucking Margarabi suck fingers. That's what why that's why we're here.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Right. Damn. Gotta see that scene. I probably just google it.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Probably. Probably. Like there. I don't know how to win watching. I I will also say this though, you know, it's just since we're on the golden path. Jacob Alordi is a weird looking dude.

Communication As The Missing Key

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Why do you say that? Obi-Wan Kenobi. No, nothing. Oh, wait, no, sorry, that was the island. My bad. I have a I have uh I think he's a good looking guy. I think he I do.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Well so I I uh I was watching uh a thing. It was a it was a a TikTok thing, actually. Just it just in the in the vein of this whole TikTok outrage where uh and that was a part of this movie because I had walked into it. I had never seen read the book, I had not seen a single trailer. My only reinteraction with this film before I saw it was the poster and then TikTok telling me I should be mad about it. And that sort of already put me into an ultra-critical mood where I'm like, I'm not I I hate it when people tell me how to feel. Right, and so I I walk into the show. It's the worst fucking movie of all time. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean oh, I I need to go outside, I need to smoke. But fuck you, Zach Snyder. Jesus Christ. I hope he dies for that. But um I I hope he's in the files. I hope he's in the files. But anyway. Anyway.

unknown 45:37

God.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

What movie where am I? What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 45:42

Yeah, you're talking about the the the content uh creation outrage engagement machine. God damn it.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

I I have one of these fucking smart rings on, and it tells me my heart rate and my stress rate and my like sleeping patterns, everything like that. It probably just freaked the fuck out of my phone. Just remembering. You're in crisis.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Call 911.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

Yeah, yeah. Uh emergency. Emergency services are on the way to my house because someone reminded me that Rebel Moon is a thing. And I gotta go to work tomorrow. So sorry. So anyway. Fuck. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Outrage machine. Bree. Engagement. Engagement, bait, outrage.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I I was already resistant. Like, I'm gonna watch this movie, I'm gonna see what it is, and I'm not gonna judge because fuck you, TikTok. Fuck you, Zag Snyder. Fuck you. And I don't remember my point anymore.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

It's gone.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

It's it's totally gone. Oh my gosh. Like, I need to spend the rest of this episode getting my fucking pulse down.

Insert Ourselves: Rewriting Outcomes

SPEAKER_01 46:58

But you have any thoughts, Luke, on the on the engagement, the the outrage engagement cycle. No, but I do think that just a little bit of commun. No. But I do think that the moral of this entire story really is that you need to have open communication or you will destroy yourselves. Because that's really that's really all they needed was just a little open communication, and they would have been completely fine. Yeah, if they had you know talked with the government, that they were making clones that no that were that were that had cognition, that had sentience, never has they could have worked something out. But of course, you know, the 2015 law that banned cloning with sentience, they instead they undermined it. And that's not you gotta communicate. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

I will say this. I will say this to that point, Luke. That when you are the other man in an extramarital affair, it's harder than you think. But then you you leave it, and and and just folks at home, I I've undergone extensive therapy to become a better person. I don't want to be a Byronic hero anymore. I I just want to be happy. And and that never happens in that in that scenario, in that setting. Um, but I uh I walked away from it all the time, sitting there thinking, like, if we had just fucking talked, but it it creates just such a toxic situation, and it's harder than you think. And and so and that's why and that's what I left the theater going, feeling like a piece of shit because I related to characters that I don't want to relate to anymore. And uh, you know, just ask myself, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

Yeah, but you know, toxic shit's every everybody and everybody's an individual, even if you are the healthiest person in the world and you try to sit the person down and say, listen, I'm your clone, I escaped from the facility. I I know you didn't expect me here. Sometimes they'll turn around and turn you in. They'll call, they'll call the institute to come pick you up. And even though it it people do anything to survive. Just be aware.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

That being said, it's time now to insert ourselves drugs or alcohol. Yeah, hepatitis. God damn it. So it's time to insert ourselves into this film. We've stuck it out at this point that James has not watched weathering heights. He did not have his heights weathered. So, unfortunately, we'll still let him insert himself. But um let's insert ourselves. Uh, who wants to kick this off? Uh James, do you want to start this thing? How would you insert yourselves uh yourself into uh Marco Robbie?

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Let me let me tell you. Uh no, I don't have anything. I don't have anything at all. You go first.

Wrap-Up, Score Recap, And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_00 50:31

For me, how would I insert myself into this film? Um, so me uh like I yeah, I would search myself as the character that I that I felt uh akin to. Uh keep in mind, people I didn't read the book, I've never read the book, I go to therapy, I'm trying to be a better man, all A, B, C, all those fucking things. And uh me as Heathcliff would uh go to a fucking professional.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

But they don't even professionals at this time, yeah. They the professionals definitely aren't great.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Uh so what I would do.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

All the professionals are in on it.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Is I would confirm like if I'm Heathcliff and I want to actually solve this thing, alright? If I and I I want what I want, I'm gonna be a fucking I'm gonna do things a little differently. I'm gonna roll after we've been fucking, alright, and Heathcliff, take notes if you want to survive one of these fucking things. Um you walk up to the husband um and you say, Hey, this is what's been going on. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Maybe we can come to some kind of arrangement.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Like, yeah, you want to do an arrangement, you want to leave? Like, what are you gonna do? You want to kick my ass? Because I'll throw hands, that's fine. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

And don't really feel like that's a I don't feel like that's a productive way to solve the problem. Short-lived catharsis.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

But but I find in these situations, and and so this is just for hey folks, if you find yourself in a situation that's akin to this, get out of it. If you cannot get out of it, start speaking the truth. Because that at least will force a conclusion.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Yeah, tell people that the island is not real, that there's no contagion.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

That's that's that's what I would do. I I would roll up to her husband and say, Hey man, look, uh, we've been doing this thing. I I'm sorry for that. I am, but passions, humans, uh it is what it is. If you want to beat my ass, you're welcome to try.

unknown 52:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

But like let's just I've been training, I've been training in the fighting, sim. I was gonna do something. I was gonna do something else, but now I'm gonna be the husband, and I'm gonna go, I'm totally cool with it, brother. Do you want to cuck me from now on? And I'm just I I'm I'm I'm Mr. uh I'm the main character's husband, except I'm just a cuck the entire movie. You just really enjoy it? No, like we can make you a cuck balcony. Um like you're not gonna let him in the room? What what's what are the rules? Um Edgar Lynn. Oh, I just uh I can walk around, I can I can get up, but throw a hand. No, you can get up in there? Can you hold a you can hold a candle up there for some light? Of course. See all the see what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 53:31

Yes, yes. I only fucking fluorescent lighting. I need to see everything.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

I have a hooded lantern that directs the light right into the right to the good parts. No, I want to be my character, I would be the brother, except I didn't die. Um, and I was just like, because Kathy kind of as a child is fucking insufferable. Like, not saying I get why the dad's a sociopath. Yeah, she's she's so I and I realized this early on as her brother, and I actually fake my own death and move away, and I live just like a happy life, like a normal, normal life. Because like back then you could just like build a house somewhere and it's just yours now, that whole piece of property. Whatever you fence off, whatever you're willing to fucking build a fence around is yours essentially. So um I'd I'd have a big piece of land and um for for a little bit of money and and you know live on my days uh on a ranch. Solid. Solid. Probably have a have a family or something. I don't know. I don't know what people do in 18, so it sounds fucking boring, if I'm honest. So I like I do like Luke's idea. I might I might play off Luke's idea a little bit. So you know, if if I'm dealing with a crazy, you know, young woman uh who doesn't, you know, who's who's a sociopath, I mean I guess I'd I guess I guess if I was a kid, I'd try to be I'd try to get a good job on the estate, you know, that uh that Sean Bean is running. And I'd um I'd be a stable boy. And uh and I would uh I would uh one day I would I would suffer, you know, some kind of medical event that uh had me collapse and I would uh just start babbling, you know, you know, uh hold the door, hold the hold the hold the door. I could only say could only say one word for the rest of my life, Hodor. And you know, everything else is history. So Sean Bean properties, baby.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

So Wathering Heights, but Hodor is there, and he thinks he's in the island. Hell yeah. Well, there you have it, folks. Wuthering Heights was just the island with Hodor. Um, and that's all I have to say about it. So thank you all for listening. Uh, congratulations, Wuthering Heights. I'm so sorry. Luke, it was what, a 3.5?

SPEAKER_01 56:12

It was 3.5, yeah. Yeah pretty good. 3.5.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Yeah, solid. Solid. Just watch this movie. Watch the movie. At least watch it once. Make your own fucking opinion. Not not every you don't need to get your opinions, news, facts, and ideas from TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

So give it uh get them from here.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Yeah, you get them from High the Try Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 56:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

So I'm your host, Ryan Barry North. With me as always, James Croslin, Luke. Remember, we're the only ones who can tell you how it is. We're the ones who know what's right. So um, thank you for tuning in. When it comes to movies, yeah, yeah. Everything else. Where do the tubes go? Bye. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

Bye.