CHEcast Ep 38: What's happening in the Texas Special Session? w/ Ric Galvan

While we thought the 87th Texas Legislative Session had reached it's end on May 31st, Gov. Greg Abbott announced that he would be holding a 30-day Special Session with 11 items on the agenda in July. In a call to fight for our democracy, 59 Democrats fled the House floor and headed to Washington, D.C., effectively breaking quorum and preventing Gov. Abbott from passing the bills he intended to prioritize this session. While House Dems have temporarily blocked the progression of this session, the governor is entitled to call as many special sessions as he deems fit. Confused as to how this impacts the Texas Lege?? Let's have Ric Galvan from Texas Rising explain!!

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Steve: 0:00

CHEcast Episode 38 presented by the Center for Health Empowerment, headquartered in Austin, Texas.

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Steve: 0:57

And now... the CHEcast Welcome back, everybody to the CHEcast. I'm Steve.

Gabi Antuna: 1:04

And I'm Gabi!

Ric Galvan: 1:05

My name is Ric Galvan.

Steve: 1:06

Welcome to the show. Ric, how are you today?

Ric Galvan: 1:09

I'm good. I'm good. Thank you so much for having me.

Gabi Antuna: 1:11

Yeah

Steve: 1:11

I love it.

Gabi Antuna: 1:13

So can you tell our audience a little bit about who you are, and you know what you do?

Ric Galvan: 1:17

Yeah. So my name is Ric Galvan. I'm from San Antonio, Texas. I'm a current student at UT Austin studying history and Latino Studies, and I am the Central Texas Campus Organizer for Texas Rising and so I do a lot of work helping organize around social justice with students from UT Austin, St. Edward's University, Tilton University, Baylor University and Texas A&M College Station.

Gabi Antuna: 1:36

Awesome. So can you tell our audience a little bit about Texas Rising and how you got started working with that chapter?

Ric Galvan: 1:41

Yeah, well Texas Rising is a nonpartisan nonprofit, uh political organization that's focused on social justice and equality. So we have a lot of different issue work that we focus on, including like voting rights, repro justice, LGBTQ equality, climate justice, and so many others. And yeah, I got involved, actually, almost four years ago now. Yeah, I got involved in high school. Actually, I was just trying to blossom as an organizer trying to figure out what it is what it means to organize and politics. And I got connected with Ray Martinez, who is the current director of Texas Rising, and they brought me in and let me start organizing at UT when I got to college, and just been doing it since.

Gabi Antuna: 2:14

Yeah. Tell us a little bit about how you got started as the president of Texas Rising. That's a really big deal. How did you become the president?

Ric Galvan: 2:21

Yeah, well, I guess truthfully, it's like, I got there. And it was just like, no one wanted to pick it up. So it's like, Okay, well, I guess I'll do what I can. So I was there all the time. And I did a lot of illustration work and a lot of advocacy. Were trying to build coalitions with student groups on campus and groups off campus. I did that I was the president for I think two years. And then I became the campus organizer. And so I got to work with other campuses across Central Texas, not just UT anymore. So my good friend Gerardo is now the president along with Lauren. They're both co presidents of it. And they do really well do really good work there. And yeah, and so it's been a wild ride, honestly, going through several specials are doing going through several legislative sessions and city council meetings and elections. Oh, my gosh,

Gabi Antuna: 3:00

Ric works really, really hard. He's really dope.

Steve: 3:03

You said special sessions? I would love to talk a little bit about the Texas Special Session.

Gabi Antuna: 3:09

Yeah. So thank you for sharing. We're gonna take a quick break. And when we're back, we're going to be diving into the special session.

Steve: 3:16

This should be fun.

Gabi Antuna: 3:19

And we'll be right back.

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Steve: 3:58

So we're back. Welcome back, everybody. So alright. Are you also a UT person? UT is big around here. Huh Gabi?

Gabi Antuna: 4:10

Yeah, it's pretty big. I mean, I'm a UT person or UT student he calls me UT Gabi. That's what my intro show was.

Steve: 4:18

So can we talk a little bit about that. So are you also at UT?

Ric Galvan: 4:22

Yeah, I'm a student at UT. I'm going to be a senior this year, which is kind of scary how quickly that happened. Yeah, so I'm studying history, minoring in Latino Studies, and also getting my, I'm in a program called UTeach, UTeach liberal arts. And so I'm working on getting my certification to teach social studies from middle school to high school. Yeah, and that's really exciting. I'm gonna start doing my student teaching in high school, this fall in De Valle ISD. And I'm super excited to do it because it's gonna be all focused on world history, US history. That's just my passion. And so I'm really excited to do all that and be able to use all the things I've learned and really just go into it.

Steve: 4:59

Wow.

Gabi Antuna: 5:00

That's amazing. That's I'm so excited for you and like what you're gonna do in the future genuinely like, that's awesome. All right, so

Steve: 5:09

Awesome. So where were we?

Gabi Antuna: 5:10

Yeah, so we were talking about this special session, as many of y'all know are many of our audience members might know, Governor Greg Abbott called a special session of the Texas Legislature, which started July 8, and is set to last up to 30 days to address bills that died at the end of the regular legislative session, like the election bill and bail bills with 11 items in total on the agenda. Ric, can you tell our audience or explain to our audience a little bit about what a special session is and how long it's predicted to last?

Ric Galvan: 5:36

Yeah, for sure. It's kind of funny, as we're doing this recording, I'm here in the legislature. I just finished testifying to the Senate on one of the bills that I'm sure we'll talk about in a second. But so just to talk about my second home, truly, the Texas legislature is you know, where our state government makes and passes our state laws, and only operates every two years for about five months. So from like January through May, after that all the representatives all the senators are sent home until the next odd year. However, the governor has the power to call a special session, a little like mini legislative session, all based on whatever the governor wants to address. And so he'll bring all the representatives and senators back the office back to Austin. And then they address his wishes. And these sessions can be as short as one day. There's history of that being only one day, but they can on-. And then they can only last a maximum of 30 days. However, the governor can call as much as at any as many special sessions as he wants.

Steve: 6:30

Wow. So it's almost like a king, but not quite the same. He's just in control of that.

Gabi Antuna: 6:35

Quite frightening to hear.

Steve: 6:37

You say you call it your second home. Are you there that much?

Ric Galvan: 6:43

I mean, I've been here with some other friends from Texas rising. We've been here the past about four days. Yeah, and we get here all day, because the testimony is long. last long. We've been here today. I know I got here a little bit later, around like 11am. And now currently, it's 4pm. And we just finished the fine. But some of my friends get here but the early when husband opens up at 8am. And so we're trapped all day.

Steve: 7:06

Thank you for your service.

Gabi Antuna: 7:07

Absolutely. I was texting him maybe like a few weeks ago. And he was telling me that he was going to be in Austin all the month of like, the entire month of July just for the legislative session. Like he came to Austin just to be present for this and to do the work that he does, which is pretty awesome. Okay, for some business. Yeah, absolutely. So you said that Governor Abbott can talk about whatever he wants. Right. So can you talk to us a little bit about the 11 items, Governor Greg Abbott announced are on the agenda for this special session.

Ric Galvan: 7:37

Yeah, absolutely. So there's quite a bit. Like I said, there's 11 of them. So I'm not expert on all of them. But I'll try to hit some main points and try to just wrap up some quick points about all of them. Let's Let's start with some of the ones that are a little interesting considering that they already passed in the regular session. So from January to May, they already got some bills through this. The first big one is the abortion ban the abortion pill ban. So in case you didn't hear back in April, or May, actually, while I was hear some, several Texas Rising students were also here, were sitting in the in the house and watch them pass the abortion ban here in Texas. The governor signed it. And so that's going to be law in September, and yet the governor decided we need to go further and ban the abortion pills as well. And so that's what the senate actually today is currently speaking about in the health committee. And they're trying to figure out if they're gonna pass it or not. And unfortunately, they probably will. And that's just starting off. That's number one. There's other ones. Yeah, yeah. So the other ones, which is this one I just testified on, actually. So they, there's a lot of talk about critical race theory, talking about the racism that's ingrained in the foundation of our society. And teaching that history to students here in Texas. Legislature already passed a banning on that. But, Greg, I've been wanting to do more. And so they wanted to ban or they want to ban they're probably going to do it soon here actually learning the history of Native Americans entirely while learning the writings of Frederick Douglass, even learning from documents from the civil rights movement entirely. So you know, just some casual censorship. Yeah, awful. Yeah. And then some of the other big bills that so in this session, the regular session back in April, May, The governor, or the legislature tried to pass a voter suppression bill, they tried to pass anti trans bill that would have banned trans kids from participating sports that affirmed their gender identity. Right. And they would have tried to pass a bill reform bill that would have blocked nonprofits from raising bail funds for people in jail. So you know, just criminalizing poverty making it hard for people to get out. Thankfully, because of organizing advocates here on the ground and the democrats walking out of the house, the last hour in May, all those bills were killed. However, Greg Abbott said I want to do it again. And so thats what we're currently fighting against right now, man.

Gabi Antuna: 10:02

Can you talk to us a little bit about your testifying experience? Like, yeah, I saw you testified on Monday, you're testifying today. Can you tell our audience about what that means? And why you do it and what you're testifying for? I know you mentioned it a little bit, but do it. Let's do a deep dive.

Ric Galvan: 10:15

Yeah, no, for sure. So basically, just a really quick just a background, the legislature has little committees, where there's a group of think like, maybe 10 senators, and maybe a little bit, maybe too many, but the majority are always whoever, the ruling party, so the majority Republicans, and there's specific committees for each kind of like, topic of Bill. So it's like health, elections, sometimes state affairs, things like that. And that can encompass a lot of different things. And so whenever there's a bill on voting rights, it goes through Elections Committee, and then they discuss and it opens the hearing to the public so that people can come in from all over Texas and say that either they support the bill or they oppose the bill. And then try to tell the legislators what to do, you know, they work for us. So this past Saturday, there was a big hearing, I believe in the Senate, on the voting rights bill, or not the voting rights, but the suppression bill, I should say, because that one was trying to limit how many people how many early voting locations there can be how many polling locations there can be in Texas, limiting vote early voting hours, banning 24 hour early voting altogether, a whole bunch of different things. And that one, I got to testify and all my friends got to testify, including Texas Rising folks, and they stayed here, literally, almost 24 hours, waiting to get heard, because over 300 people showed up to say, we don't want this bill here. And yet they pass it anyway. Wow. That's one of them. On Monday, they did the anti-trans bill again, I got to testify on that one. I got lambasted by some of the senators on the committee. They didn't, they didn't like what we were saying. You know, we're just talking about, you know, treat kids fairly let them have their full education. And they did not like that. Yeah. And then today is the the history bill. And so talking a little about that, and saying, you know, you got to teach all the history, it's ugly, we got to talk about it. And so that's what's going on today, as we were talking about this right now. And there's gonna be several more I believe, the also the abortion pill ones happening today, we weren't able to do that one, just because we're waiting for the other one. So it's a whole mess. But we'll hear more, we'll have more hearings, where people can come in, and go testify and say what they want us to give their two cents, about the bills.

Gabi Antuna: 12:20

Yeah, so that actually leads to my next question. If there any issues that particularly resonate with our audience, can you guide them through how they can testify for or against certain bills? And also, is it virtual? Or is it in person?

Ric Galvan: 12:34

Right? Well, let's start with a big one. Um, it's not virtual, or it's only in person. Even when COVID was happening, you know, it was still big going on. I mean, COVID is still happening, we got the Delta variants going around. But even when it was, you know, earlier this year, we're everyone's wondering, how are we going to have those testimonies? How are we gonna be able to go to the Capitol, how are we going to be able to speak to our legislators, and the Senate said nope only in person. And they also didn't require, like testing, they didn't require mass. So you know, just again, denying science denying that the pandemic even exists? Yeah. That's just that's what I say that it is only in person. So if you want to come testify, you do have to come down to Austin, and you have to keep track of when they open registration to testify, there's limited time that they have it open, that is close. And so you can get here too late, and then you can't testify at all, although sometimes they let you slide it if you stay all the way to the end, which of course can be long. And then you're able to go and say like I'll testify to and they'll let you speak. But to answer the question, what issues are currently happening. So I know the anti trans bill already passed out of committee into the Senate, and the Senate will probably pass it in full. And then the voting want to also avoid a special and also went through this critical race day one probably going to get through right now. And so that's unfortunate. However, I was and I know we're gonna talk a little bit about this soon. I'm sure. It's going to all those bills don't really have a place to go because the house currently is a little under construction in a way.

Gabi Antuna: 14:02

That's one way to put it.

Ric Galvan: 14:06

But there are ways for people to to come down and see other bills are coming through, whether it's on bail reforms, I want to think still hasn't been heard. There's other bills like teacher retirement funds, or funding. Those are going to come through in the coming weeks. So just keep an eye on the Texas Senate website to see what's coming up.

Gabi Antuna: 14:22

Yeah. Is there any contact information that you can give to our audience if they need help learning how to testify I know that I had to do like a whole video series to teach people out of testify because it is a little tricky sometimes. So how can we reach out to you?

Ric Galvan: 14:34

Yeah, they can definitely reach out to me, Either, well, first of all, through social media, you don't have to just reach out to me directly. There's all of Texas Rising. Social media on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter Texas Rising is T e x R i s i n g You can also reach out to some chapters if you're in if you go to UT you can reach out to Texas Rising same way Tex rising UT or St Edward's SEU, etc, etc. But if you reach out to me directly, Ric Ric@tfn.org, you can email me and I can try to help as much as I can because you coordinated with somebody to help out.

Gabi Antuna: 15:05

I'll make sure to add more info in the show notes. Let's take a quick break and we're back. We're gonna do a deep dive into the special session and what happened on Monday.

Steve: 15:13

We'll be right back.

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Steve: 16:06

That was nice little break. So is there like a cafeteria someplace down there? Do you guys get your breaks on when you're in the middle of stuff? How's the atmosphere there? I think I went there one time the cafeteria wasn't that bad?

Ric Galvan: 16:18

Yeah, now the Capitol Grill pretty good. Um, I think it was Monday. I didn't eat breakfast. That morning. I ate like a small like little sandwich kind of thing. And I just like ran out over here. But yeah, we all went out to get a burger and man, that was good. It really filled me up the rest of day. I was like, Okay, nice.

Steve: 16:36

So nice. So before we start diving into this real quick, can you kind of break down what the term break quorum is all about?

Ric Galvan: 16:45

Yeah. So quorums are just like a, it's a weird like procedure is kind of a rule within a governmental bodies that you need a certain group or a certain amount of people on whatever it is, and maybe even city council or in the US Congress, or here the legislature, you need a certain amount of people, representatives and senators I should say, to be at their respective chamber, so at the house or in the Senate. So in the house, I believe it's like you need 100 representatives to be able to gavel in to start working. It's like focusing on bills or passing things or discussing things. And currently, there is not a quorum of enough people, there's not enough representatives in the house to start a quorum, therefore the house is no longer functioning. Because the democrats have left to DC to go talk to federal Democrats in Congress to push for voting rights. Good.

Gabi Antuna: 17:37

Yeah. What bill? Or why did they walk out of the house floor on Monday? What were they trying to fight against? And what were they trying to do for Texans?

Ric Galvan: 17:44

Yeah, this is something that I'm really proud of them doing. Especially my representative Ray Lopez, you know, back in San Antonio, he's a great representative. And I'm really happy to see that him even my senator Jose Menendez, who, while technically the senate doesn't have enough Democrats to even really do anything to that effect, the house has whatever so that they can actually do that where they can leave and there's not 100 people. I still appreciate both of them. Senator Menendez and Ray Lopez going to DC to advocate for the passage of the For the People Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, because here's the thing. After Well, actually, we'll go back a little bit in the history cuz I you know, I'm the history person, I just like talking about history. So I'm gonna go back just a second, I'll tie it back together, Texas has a long, long record of suppressing the right to vote, especially for people of color. You know, Texas was one of the lead proponents of Jim Crow laws back before the 60s. But even after that, every single, every 10 years when we had to redraw our districts, to meet a better fit that we know our populations growing. So we need more representation. We need more people for Congress that we have ever represented in Congress, every 10 years that we do it, Texas violates the Voting Rights Act. This will happen perspective, every single 50 years that they've tried to just disenfranchise black voters, Latinx voters, indigenous voters, and even the Texans with disabilities, making sure that they can't go vote early, things like that. And so we're seeing now is that after former President Trump lost the election, and claimed that there was a lot of electoral fraud, that there's no way that he could have lost. It emboldened republicans across the country in Georgia and Louisiana, instead in Arizona, and now here in Texas, to say, Okay, we have a reason to start passing these voter suppression bills where we ban drive through voting we ban 24 hour voting which helps communities of color in Houston, get out in droves. make it harder, make it so that when communities with high registration, voter registration numbers, get more polling locations, but communities with low voter registration numbers don't get any. I mean, you're just picking and choosing who gets to register to vote that point you get to choose who's going to go vote. If you don't have a polling place next to you. You got to All across town, you're not going to do it. Especially when you limit how many how long you can go vote. Which is another part of the bill? So I believe it's SB one Senate Bill one number one on the senators agenda was to pass voter suppression, all these little intricacies to make it harder to vote as if it's not hard enough to vote already in Texas, you can't register online. And so democrats walked out in protest to say that No, we are not going to sit here in this legislature be held hostage by Greg Abbott and the Republican party trying to pass these bills that really are not on anyone's mind. We have the power grid failure, we have healthcare not expanded at all. We have education funding on a severely low level but doesn't seem like the legislature want to handle that. So democrats said we're gonna go to get our majority up in Congress in DC at the note that we need to pass the For the People Act, we need to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act to get federal legislation that says no more gerrymandering, no more voter suppression. We're gonna make registration online automatic for every single person that can vote, you know, just make it easier to vote, because why are we making so hard at this point, unless you want to keep power? That's the only reason that you would make it hard to vote.

Gabi Antuna: 21:09

Yeah, exactly. I have a question. Can you explain to our audience what gerrymandering and redistricting means?

Ric Galvan: 21:16

Yeah, absolutely. And, honestly, it's very important timing. Considering that this year, we're going to have some gerrymandering and redistricting going on. So peeling back a little bit to what I was saying every 10 years. The US government does the census, we see how many people are in a country, whether they're citizens or not, doesn't matter, as long as you know how many people are here. And the census then decides what resources are allocated by the government. So if there's education funding, we know Okay, this school has got more kids now. So they need more funding, or the schools got less kids now. So we got to move some funding away. Things like that are all decided by the census. Additionally, our congressional districts so you know, how, how the lines are drawn, and where you live to be represented by a certain Congress person up in DC, is determined by our state legislators. So every 10 years, that census is done, but they released their results to the state legislators, they look at it and they say, Okay, let's redraw and make sure that okay, Texas grew. Okay, let's get some more congressional districts that aren't represented well. And yeah, we just all have good representation. Here's the thing. gerrymandering is where they draw the lines in such a way that they don't fairly represent the voters well. And so there's things like, actually in Austin, Texas is probably the most notorious way just to look at it is that Austin, Texas, does not have one congressional district for the entire city. So if you're in Austin, you know, you can live at UT Austin as a student. You have Jester Hall, where I lived when I was a freshman, and I had a, I think it was representative, Roger Williams. But if I walked just a few blocks away to pass Guadalupe Street, I had Chip Roy, yes. So it's like, so it's like, well, hold on, how come? These are just one street apart? Why is it separate. And the goal is that you get a little bit of voters, you get some voters that are against your party, and you pack them into one big, giant group of your voters that way, all their voting power, your opponent's voting power is diluted so they can vote you out of office, essentially, it's legislators drawing their district lines that who their voters are. And so what the for the people act, and what the John Lewis Voting Rights Act would do is end gerrymandering altogether, so that that can happen anymore.

Gabi Antuna: 23:28

Awesome. Thank you so much for explaining that was really well said.

Steve: 23:31

Yeah, that and that's a problem too, because, right, I know Roy Chip he's in my district, and I actually went to DC and talk with him. I talked to him about cannabis reform, which he was completely against. So how are you going to be in control of kids at UT campus? Yet you're against cannabis reform, which means you don't listen to those congressional those constituents. You're representing the people that are opposed to it. Yeah. So what happened as far as cannabis reform goes in this last session? And is there anything on that on the agenda right, right now for this special session? Right. So cannabis reform a big reform that Texans are looking at. I believe there's been a lot of recent polling that voters in Texas want to see cannabis legalized in Texas, we want to see it decriminalized, we want to see some real justice implemented for people who have been faced with charges of possessing marijuana as a national conversation now, right? We saw presidential candidates pushing for it, all these big things. It's popular. The legislature, not about it. This last session, we had some bills file, they were there, they're ready to go in case someone wanted to pick them up. The Republican Party wants to pick it up as the majority and say, let's pass this let's get some real stuff done. That is bipartisan, that everyone can agree on. But they didn't. And now, the special session, Greg did not put that on his list of wishes that what he wants to see done. And so there is some bills filed I believe around it but they're not they did not get picked up because they don't count. They don't qualify as Greg Abbott's list of demands. However, I will say if you're in Austin, Texas, in Travis County, look for folks called are part of Ground Game Texas, it's a new organization. They're focused on legalizing marijuana amongst other big, important issues in Texas. There's, they're doing a petition drive right now. I believe the deadline is sometime next week. I think it's maybe July 22. But I would say check Ground Game Texas. With that. And what you can do is if you signed a petition, you would help try to decriminalize marijuana here in Travis County?

Gabi Antuna: 25:31

Awesome. I definitely put a link to that in the show notes. Yeah, that's a big one. It's a big one. I appreciate that. Yeah, I have another question, too. But there are any bills filed in the last legislative, or the regular session against gerrymandering, or for redistricting and stuff like that? Like, can you tell us if there's any bills filed for that?

Ric Galvan: 25:50

Yeah, there was some there's a lot of bills on voting rights. A lot of progressive eyes of Texas Rises some Texas Rising champions I like to call him John QC, is one a big one who tried to put in like online registration. And then other folks have tried to put in some things to make Independent Redistricting Commission, which would be, you know, no longer that whenever there's redistricting, it would go to that commission, who are not politicians who are not beholden by a party. So it wouldn't be legislators drawing their own districts and saying, Okay, well, I'm gonna get some voters here and some of my voters here and I'll pack some other folks here. It would be its own independent government commission, that would take care of it. Again, not hurting Elections Committee, the Elections Committee was focused on just getting through the voter suppression bill, limiting people's right to vote, limiting access to the polling locations. That's all they were about. And it's all they continue to be about. And I will say, on redistricting, redistricting. There's the census results for 2020 because that's, you know, 10 years, were pushed back to be released in September, which means that there will be another special session, likely in October all focused on redistricting. So all of Texas will get an opportunity to go see what's going to happen at the legislature will get time to testify and say, we want, you know, appropriately drawn districts that don't just dilute my voting power. And that'll happen late September or October. Likely. Awesome.

Gabi Antuna: 27:13

Well, thank you for letting us know.

Steve: 27:15

Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna take a break. We'll come right back. And I think we have a few more questions. So give us a little second here and we'll we'll be right back. See you soon.

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Steve: 28:23

And that was our break. That was a fast break huh?

Gabi Antuna: 28:28

How was your break Ric?

Ric Galvan: 28:29

It was good. Got to run around, do some laps.

Gabi Antuna: 28:38

That was a wrap on this week's episode of the CHEcast. Ric, do you have any final thoughts to share with our audience?

Ric Galvan: 28:43

No, I would just say thank you so much for listening. And thank you so much for having me on here to talk about this important stuff. Texas is going through some big changes right now. And there's some folks out there who don't want these changes to get through. And so I would ask everybody to get involved where you can look, look at organizations that are near and dear to your heart, that their focus on issues that matter to you, whether it's Texas Rising or Move Texas, Texas Organizing Project, all these big groups out there that are doing some really good work, plug in see what you can do help out. So we need everybody in this fight if we're gonna save our democracy, save our rights to reproductive justice, and so much more.

Gabi Antuna: 29:18

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us. It was a pleasure having you we learned so much. That was such a great episode. So if you'd like to know more about the Texas Special Session, Texas Rising, Ric or how you can get involved, we will upload some links within the show notes. We'll see you next time.

Steve: 29:32

So for me for some final thoughts. I want to say first off, thank you, Gabi, for bringing Ric on the show. Definitely. Thank you Ric for coming on the show. Very informative. I know I learned a lot today and which means that our audience probably learned a lot too and I want to give a special shout out to UT campus Forgive me, Ric and UT Gabi. So thank you UT Ric now. UT Ric. So UT campus is doing it up. I appreciate you appreciate that. You know keep on educating and try to make the world a better place for all of you guys out there, wherever you are. Be safe. Have fun, and enjoy the apocalypse. Bye.

Ric Galvan: 30:16

Bye yall.

Gabi Antuna: 30:17

Peace out.

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Steve: 30:31

That's our show. Thank you for listening. Please Like and Share. Be safe, have fun and

Gabi Antuna: 30:43

Stay awesome!