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Here's"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":19.44,"endTime":22.47,"body":"some of the critical attributes"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":19.44,"endTime":22.47,"body":"of cloud storage of the CXL"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":22.47,"endTime":26.67,"body":"transformation is evolving, and"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":22.47,"endTime":26.67,"body":"the evolution of the cloud. To"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":26.67,"endTime":29.49,"body":"stay up to date on future"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":26.67,"endTime":29.49,"body":"episodes, please be sure to"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":29.49,"endTime":32.52,"body":"subscribe to the Marvell"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":29.49,"endTime":32.52,"body":"Essential Technology Podcast."},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":38.01,"endTime":41.07,"body":"Jon, what do you"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":38.01,"endTime":41.07,"body":"see as the critical attributes"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":41.13,"endTime":46.11,"body":"of Cloud Storage? And what are"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":41.13,"endTime":46.11,"body":"you and Marvell doing to address"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":46.11,"endTime":48.21,"body":"them as storage evolves?"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":48.6,"endTime":50.85,"body":"Well, the first"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":48.6,"endTime":50.85,"body":"thing that always hits me is the"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":50.85,"endTime":55.32,"body":"enormous scale of cloud. 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Is it"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":121.86,"endTime":124.89,"body":"competing with NVMe?"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":124.99,"endTime":127.36,"body":"I think when you"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":124.99,"endTime":127.36,"body":"sit back and look at it, you"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":127.36,"endTime":131.11,"body":"know, first of all, NVMe is you"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":127.36,"endTime":131.11,"body":"know, runs in the storage domain"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":131.2,"endTime":135.85,"body":"and CXL is a memory domain. When"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":131.2,"endTime":135.85,"body":"you compare performance and"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":135.85,"endTime":140.89,"body":"latency. 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In the"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":530.619,"endTime":535.058,"body":"case of private cloud, this is a"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":530.619,"endTime":535.058,"body":"situation where the customer has"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":535.126,"endTime":538.95,"body":"his own equipment that is"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":535.126,"endTime":538.95,"body":"provided by either by a public"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":539.018,"endTime":543.047,"body":"cloud vendor, or could it be by"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":539.018,"endTime":543.047,"body":"enterprise. And he can, you"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":543.115,"endTime":547.417,"body":"know, either have that located"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":543.115,"endTime":547.417,"body":"on site, or he could have it off"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":547.485,"endTime":551.787,"body":"site. Off site could be his own"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":547.485,"endTime":551.787,"body":"data center. Or he could have a"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":551.855,"endTime":556.089,"body":"co-location center, where they"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":551.855,"endTime":556.089,"body":"maintain the equipment and keep"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":556.157,"endTime":560.186,"body":"it within within their data"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":556.157,"endTime":560.186,"body":"center. Now, hybrid cloud, as I"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":560.254,"endTime":563.873,"body":"mentioned before, is a"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":560.254,"endTime":563.873,"body":"combination of the two. But it"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":563.942,"endTime":567.765,"body":"gives the customer the best of"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":563.942,"endTime":567.765,"body":"both worlds. So he can be"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":567.834,"endTime":571.862,"body":"running his business on both"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":567.834,"endTime":571.862,"body":"private and public, and he can"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":571.931,"endTime":573.57,"body":"rebalance as he needsto."},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":573.57,"endTime":575.25,"body":"Well, Gary, thanks"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":573.57,"endTime":575.25,"body":"for taking the time to talk to"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":575.284,"endTime":577.65,"body":"me. I appreciate it. It's been"},{"speaker":"Jon Haswell","startTime":575.284,"endTime":577.65,"body":"interesting. Getting your perspective."},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":577.65,"endTime":580.223,"body":"Well, thanks, Jon."},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":577.65,"endTime":580.223,"body":"And likewise, I enjoyed talking"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":580.275,"endTime":583.363,"body":"to you about and getting your"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":580.275,"endTime":583.363,"body":"perspective. I think this is a"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":583.414,"endTime":586.451,"body":"really interesting area and the"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":583.414,"endTime":586.451,"body":"cloud environment will keep"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":586.502,"endTime":589.642,"body":"growing and evolving. So I think"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":586.502,"endTime":589.642,"body":"there's a lot of interesting"},{"speaker":"Gary Kotzur","startTime":589.694,"endTime":591.65,"body":"things that will happen in the future."},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":594.17,"endTime":596.185,"body":"Thank you"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":594.17,"endTime":596.185,"body":"for listening to the Marvell"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":596.238,"endTime":599.421,"body":"Essential Technology Podcast. As"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":596.238,"endTime":599.421,"body":"always, please feel free to"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":599.474,"endTime":603.24,"body":"visit. our website to learn more"},{"speaker":"Christopher Banuelos","startTime":599.474,"endTime":603.24,"body":"and we'll see you on the next episode."}]}