The ideological war that has raged between the youth and the traditional environments that they are born into is nothing new. However, our present-day “meta crisis” - the confluence of climate change, supply chain disruption, authoritarian governance, digital misinformation, extreme economic inequality, and a rising sense of impending global armed conflict - is stirring our youth to become more involved in civic activism than during any other time in history. If a call to avert collapse is motivating young people in unprecedented ways, how much more might cultivating empathy, hope, and transformation through foresight empower them (and all of us!) to co-create a brighter future for all? Join Futurists Yvette Montero Salvatico and Frank Spencer as they talk about how today’s youth are changing the world, and why Futures Thinking should be a critical part of their toolkit to inspire better tomorrows.
The ideological war that has raged between the youth and the traditional environments that they are born into is nothing new. However, our present-day “meta crisis” - the confluence of climate change, supply chain disruption, authoritarian governance, digital misinformation, extreme economic inequality, and a rising sense of impending global armed conflict - is stirring our youth to become more involved in civic activism than during any other time in history. If a call to avert collapse is motivating young people in unprecedented ways, how much more might cultivating empathy, hope, and transformation through foresight empower them (and all of us!) to co-create a brighter future for all? Join Futurists Yvette Montero Salvatico and Frank Spencer as they talk about how today’s youth are changing the world, and why Futures Thinking should be a critical part of their toolkit to inspire better tomorrows.
Frank: With that, couple years ago we got to go to San Francisco to the Hippie district back in the '60s. The love, the flower child, and all that. The Haight-Ashbury district.
Yvette: That's correct.
Frank: Yes.
Yvette: Very hilly San Francisco is.
Frank: It is.
Yvette: It's a San Francisco treat.
Frank: San Francisco. Alcatraz.
Yvette: We were there in September as well, but this was, you're talking about the trip a while ago.
Frank: I'm just think- We've been to several times together to Haight-Ashbury district, and it always makes me think of The Mamas & the Papas, All the Leaves are Brown, and protest songs and Joan Baez.
Yvette: Of course, we went on like a--
Frank: We did.
Yvette: It was supposed to be a ghost walking tour, but it ended up being like a murder mystery, like serial killer tour which was weird.
Frank: Which was centered around the 60s'. They're like, "Oh, and all these flower children came and love was in the air." Different kinds of love as a matter of fact, we were in the air more.
Yvette: Wow. This first podcast back is starting off with a bang.
Frank: Then they were like, "and there's where Charles Manson lived before he started his rape." Which by the way, fun fact Charles Manson never actually killed anybody. He had people do it for him.
Yvette: That's all that matters.
Frank: No, because, you can't tell people to go start a protest or storm the Capitol and be held responsible for it. [laughs]
Yvette: That's true.
Frank: I said, do it doesn't mean you should. Hey, San Francisco Haight-Ashbury district, great music, love's in the air, flower children, protests against the war, killers were around, son of Sam.
Yvette: It was definitely a different time. I think it was an interesting time. I always wondering what it would be like to be young in that time period.
Frank: It was a turning tide for the United States too, because everybody agrees that youth movement that took place during that time changed the face of politics as we know it today. Interestingly enough, a lot of those kids grew up to be our corporate leaders. [laughs] Forgot what happened I think. There's reasons for that.
Yvette: There's a lot of reasons for what happens. It's always interesting to really challenge people's notions as these conventions of, as you age you're going to become more conservative. It'll be interesting to see, especially youth today what happens with that.
Frank: It's by the way not a proven fact that the older you become, the more conservative you become. Of course, I don't know if I'm old yet, but like the older getting the more progressive I'm becoming. Now it could be because of the field that I'm in and the people I talk to every day.
Yvette: All of the more reason.
Frank: When you travel you become more progressive.
Yvette: All the more reason to encourage people to think futures.
Frank: I was just going to say that. I was making a few jokes about Haight-Ashbury and all of that. I was born in 1965, so now you can do the math everyone. If that was more in 1973, she probably won't need to-- [laughs]
Yvette: Wow. Is that what this podcast is, math?
Frank: No, you can do the math or-
Yvette: I'm much younger.
Frank: You are. Eight years almost a decade. Almost a full decade.
Yvette: It's a lifetime really.
Frank: You wouldn't really understand the whole Haight-Ashbury. It wasn't impactful to you as it was to me when I was zero to one years old. [laughs]
Yvette: I know it's really weird.
Frank: Or three in 1968, or the summer of 69. In 1965, The Who, remember this famous event many years later, so The Who's first album came out in 1965, but many, many, many years later, The Who, I think it was in the '80s were holding a concert where people got trampled. Remember that?
Yvette: Oh, God vaguely.
Frank: Where it was like the first time that anybody got trampled at a concert, but there were like 10.
Yvette: This is a depressing podcast so far. [laughs] I'm hoping it makes a turn here, because we've talked about serial killers, overthrowing the government, and stampedes.
Frank: Just facts.
Yvette: We talk about some positive facts.
Frank: Factual things. Anyway, The Who were a very popular band and now they aren't really around as much although some of the members are still around. They had a lot of popular songs, but in 1965, they put out a song on their first album called The Kids Are All Right. Actually, on the album, I believe it was spelled A-L-L, and then a separate word, R- I-G-H-T. Producers and directors and people that comment on the album fix the spelling. There's a lot of questions about whether they meant the kids are all right or the kids are all right. All right, they're the right ones.
Either way I think it speaks to the fact that The Who were saying there needs to be this uprising of youth voices because they need to be included. That's what we wanted to talk about today. We started off with some fun facts on the next little segue. I liked it.
Yvette: I'll go with it. I think there's a different-- there's obviously lots of ways you can interpret The Kids Are All Right. I certainly feel after our recent elections here in the US, we're recording this, it is still November, it is before our Thanksgiving holiday here in the States. Some question about whether we're going to continue to celebrate that, but it is in fact still a--
Frank: I was just watching the TikTok on this last night.
Yvette: Still celebration.
Frank: By the way, for everyone else outside the United States, and especially those in the US that are listening to this, November is Native American History month. I'm sure on purpose.
Yvette: Yes. Now I know. To try and counteract.
Frank: That is also the month that I would make it. There's a whole long depressing story about that as well.
Yvette: Anyhow, I don't know when this is going to be published, but I just wanted to give that context that, we're on the heels of an incredible election cycle here in the United States. For those of you, because we do have a global audience, we're not meaning to make this a US-centric podcast. It's not, we're going to talk from a global perspective a global lens, but let's lift the curtain a little bit and tell you why we're even down this path today. It's because we did have this record turnout, by youth ages 18 to 29, I think is how it's evaluated. This is a, what we call midterm election. It wasn't a presidential year. Typically turnout is already low in those off years.
Frank: There's not as much engagement or excitement because you're not electing a president.
Yvette: Correct, but even then, even so we had record turnout really across the board. Specifically, in that youth category we saw, I think 37% of those registered ages 18 to 29 actually turn out and vote. As you might guess, they vote generally speaking at a very high percentage rate, very progressive.
Frank: I saw a stat that said 65% voted more progressive as opposed to 35% that voted more conservative.
Yvette: It depends on the pocket.
Frank: It depended. Yes, exactly.
Yvette: On university campuses, 97% of that age range voted Democrat. Anyway the interesting stat that I saw too was that, and you shared this with me, that the youth vote basically offset the vote of ages 65 and over.
Frank: Cancel it out.
Yvette: Which is really interesting, because normally ages 65 and over traditionally have been the highest population, but as we're seeing--
Frank: They're both like at 70%.
Yvette: We're seeing aging populations shift. Of course, lots to say here, but because of that in the US, again just a little bit more about the context here. It was such significant turnout, not only just from the numbers perspective, but we were able to maintain our hold of the Senate. We did, Democrats did lose in the house, however, nowhere near at the rate that it was expected.
Frank: Which typically happens when during a president's midterm elections, the opposing party usually wins back the house and usually the Senate too. Not this time.
Yvette: By pretty much all accounts unprecedented record election cycle driven primarily by youth, there was also a great story around obviously Black male and female voters, of course, women voters really turned out. This is not an election podcast. This is not a political podcast. Personally, we were just so inspired by this youth turnout. It got us thinking about what does this mean in terms of the future and foresight and how can we draw parallels or be inspired by what we saw happen.
Frank: Absolutely. I was just thinking about you saying some of the people that voted and just a big shout out to Black women because they basically saved them democracy.
Yvette: They always do. Even though we treat them like crap.
Frank: It's one of the reasons, and I love this quote that I heard years ago. For me, it was a decade ago, and it should have been longer earlier than that but only a decade ago, I heard this great quote that I think was attributed to George Washington Carver. He was one of the first to ever say that, "Black people have never really experienced democracy in America. You can call it a democratic country, but when a portion of your citizenship and electorate never experienced democracy then is it a democracy?"
Yvette: Yes.
Frank: It is and it can be even more so. Like Yvette said, we don't want to make this US-centric, as a matter of fact. There's all kinds of great stats that we have about global voting among the youth, 18 to 29 years old as well. As a matter of fact, it was just reading an article about a student who came over from Korea. This is this year. He is on an internship and he's living in DC and he's studying American youth politics and doing an exchange program, wants to go back to Korea and be a politics reporter, a global political reporter and he was saying that one of the things that he was stunned by that is even though we just had historic numbers of youth vote, it's dwarfed by--
Yvette: It pales in comparison.
Frank: Yes, by the number of youth that vote in Korea because they have around regularly 70% of youth vote in Korea and there's reasons for that. One, they're required to get her a voter ID card at 18 years old. They turn election day into a festival with bands and parades which many people have said here, it's like, why is it not a holiday? Well, it's--
Yvette: I wonder too--
Frank: It's probably a feature not a bug.
Yvette: I know in Korea that military service is required. I wonder if that's just part and parcel with obviously the culture.
Frank: Civic engagement.
Yvette: There's also a culture, but clearly, globally we're seeing a rise of youth activism and there's a lot of why behind it. Again, you don't have to read too many articles, but you know that we're seeing this huge land grab and personal rights grab if you will by different governments and institutions. Here in the US, obviously, we had Roe v Wade was turned over which was a huge thing but it's just been across the board impacts to rights of LGBTQ and that's been happening for quite some time. Don't Say Gay bills like propping up all over the country and again--
Frank: Banning books. What's happening here?
Yvette: Again, we're seeing similar phenomenon globally, not everywhere, obviously but this is the environment that our youth are seeing themselves in and you reach a tipping point.
Frank: You are. As a matter of fact, Brazil is another great example because Bolsonaro was just voted out and the youth had a significant play in that as well, as did all segments of the country.
Yvette: Of course, you're talking about a generation that had--
Frank: That was a climate issue so what you're about to say, a generation that's aware of this meta crisis.
Yvette: The climate thing is huge. Of course, it is and we saw it with Greta and her notoriety. Clearly, you have an environment with all these existential crises. You've got a youth that's growing in numbers demographically in many situations and many places and in addition, you have a generation that grew up on social media in these technologies.
Frank: Plays a big role.
Yvette: It's basically fish and water. They understand and this is how they communicate and how they relate and how they connect and how digital values are formed. All of those things obviously create a positive, in my opinion, perfect storm towards youth activism, and ultimately that leads to them impacting and being engaged electorally in election cycles.
Frank: It really does.
Yvette: This is despite I think in the US and other places, youth's voices traditionally being muffled or muted.
Frank: Suppressed. Oftentimes, purposely suppressed and there's different reasons for that, and I'm going to-- I actually wanted to like just touch on some quotes from some articles here because we do want to make sure this is a global issue. It is a global issue. We want to have a global focus.
This one article I brought out says "Youth activism is on the rise around the globe," and this is just from 2019, so a couple of years ago but pre-pandemic, which is interesting. We always have to think pre or post-pandemic and the context. Here it says, "Around the world we're seeing children and youth engage as social, political, and economic actors demonstrating their capacity to help make social change." This is from Jessica Taft an Associate Professor of Latin American Latino studies at UC Santa Cruz. "Adults make a lot of assumptions about children," she says, "and what they're capable of and those assumptions are often quite false. To not listen to their voices is anti-democratic," she says.
You are making this point about the suppression. She says, "the United States really remains the only eligible country in the world that's failed to ratify the United Nations Convention on the rights of the child and the convention has given children, other countries the ability to make demands on their schools or governments and that's only rising, but however," she says, "the youth, the United States are organizing around causes they do believe in." You got your mass shootings at high schools and the climate issues and all of these things are terrible things, but they're causing the youth to become more and more engaged.
You said this on a podcast before. Your 16-year-old daughter is engaged in issues and her friends are at their high school that when we were kids, we were like, "What? Go out and play the dirt."
Yvette: I'm going to be super honest here that I don't know if, at 15 or 16-- I'm pretty sure I could tell you who the president was. Pretty sure, but I definitely couldn't name any other global political leaders. I'm not proud of that but I don't think I was unique in that perspective. My daughter knows, and her friends know the political landscape both in the US and globally. They understand these issues and they have an opinion on all of these issues.
I dare I say, an informed opinion, yes, in some cases it's informed by TikTok videos, but informed nonetheless. You've got a group of kids that this is not-- She's not even able to vote yet so I think this trend of activism and just an awareness and a desire to be empowered to make choices, each election cycle is just going to grow.
Frank: Just grow. I wanted to read this last piece on this article, this last quote. Taft again says, "Here in the United States we talk about children as objects of protection." You saw a lot of that recently too. It's like, we don't want people talking about slavery or that the land was stolen because it wasn't and it was. You've seen laws pass against that and that's a part of the youth rising up and saying "Stop, we have to hear the truth," but she says, in the United States, we're seeing objects of protection rather than people with rights.
The reason I included that is because remember again, this is a foresight podcast and that's going to come up again in just a minute about rights and the future and agency and our engagement in the future, which we're seeing a reflection come from them as well.
Yvette: Yes. What can this teach us and I think what are the parallels here to our work within strategic foresight and the work of those that are listening to our podcast? I think obviously you have the obvious take of these kids are our future and it's inspiring to see them take hold and take the reins of their future, our future and they're the ones that should have the most voice into what's happening with these issues because they're the ones that are still going to be living on this earth when it's time to pay the piper on some of these concerns.
I think from that perspective, we still don't have enough youth turning out, even though it's increasing so what is our role as foresight professionals and adults well into our careers to support more youth going out to the poles and feeling empowered and becoming active? I think that's an obvious place to think and to talk about, but there's other ways to look at this issue as well.
Frank: Well, I'm prepping for today's podcast. You and I were talking about the two sides of this issue. How do we get more youth engaged? I'm looking at another quote from a different article here about Tufts University that says that recent surveys suggest that children and youth are more socially and civically engaged today than any other time in history. We're actually seeing an environment with the 18 to 29-year-olds that's ripe for positive visions of the future are activist visions of the future at least, and not just doomsday scenarios about the future.
Yvette: Yes so we know that they're willing and able, we know that there's still there. We've just scratched the surface on the potential of this group because there's so many more that we can activate. That alone is is worth focusing on. I think the other perspective that struck me about this election cycle is that the way youth are being activated and coming out not just to the ballot box, but to social media and to speak their mind and to be informed on these issues that really mimics and parallels what we see every day in our work.
When any individual is exposed to strategic foresight and futures thinking, and they realize that there is a repeatable transparent participatory process to do what they probably do innately or think about innately it's an empowering effect that happens. It's similar to what we're seeing with the youth, and so what if we showed people that you don't have to wait until it's an election. You don't have to be 18 to 29 years old to get excited about the future, we just have to leverage strategic foresight.
Frank: I think just a moment ago you used the word engage.
Yvette: Yes.
Frank: That word is so powerful when it comes to futures thinking, foresight, futures foresight whatever the case might be. I want to offer this juncture a turn on the traditional or pop concept of futures or foresight because I think it really plays a huge role in what we're talking about today. Just the engagement or the excitement as you said are encountering the future again because I was reading in one of the articles there was a quote where they said, "but over time the momentum can be lost, and people get discouraged when they don't see Their efforts pay off over time," or what. You've got to wait, you've got to wait a couple years to see it happen.
I know that you believe the same thing too, but you know that I'm a big proponent of-- Foresight's not really about waiting 10 years to see what will happen or when do you think we should pull the lever on this technology? Or when is it going to actually take place? That's time and space thinking, but the reality is and the reason people get excited when they come to our session, our programs, or when we're working with clients is because what they say to us is I got a sense of something happening inside of me right now, not a year from now.
There's almost this funny thing it's like oh I learned about futures and foresight. If my prediction were to come true a year from now I might get excited about it, but they get excited now. What does that mean that you're getting excited about it now because you have a sense that foresight's doing something to you now. I like to say that foresight is less about time, and space, and traveling to that place and forward to some movement towards time and really an engagement about visions that are in the here and now and how they could be different.
It's emerging novelty, it's transformational reality. It's not really about when will it happen. It's about alternative visions that challenge today's present dominant narratives. When you think wow things can be different and they can be different starting right now that's the future. That's foresight. When we come back just in a minute to what are our takeaways, I think that's going to show up again as one of those takeaways is how we approach foresight and how we think about it.
Yvette: It's just it's something I think we sometimes gloss over because it doesn't seem as tangible but it is amazing what happens when you introduce hope and aspirations, and give that a voice that potential future a voice. It changes behavior in the present. If you could change the way and shift the way people view the future, you've changed their current state, their present day. We just had an opportunity to conduct a webinar for our partners across the Middle East region. We told them about the work that we've done locally with the Orlando Economic Partnership.
It was years ago that we did that work, and so we have the the ability to look back with that perspective, but in that moment on those days that we engaged with those 200 stakeholders from across this region, in 2018 we introduced concepts to them and made them actually plausible to them. Made them a possibility to them. Whether it was making this region the autonomous capital of the world for embracing the idea of mirror cities, and a talent ecosystem, and a forum for the future and a foundation for the future.
All of those things have come to pass, and again it's not a magic trick. We didn't make it happen. We looked at the external environment, we saw those bits and pieces of things already happening. We brought them together into a narrative around the experimental prototype community of tomorrow.
Frank: Yes, up cut.
Yvette: It literally changed the narrative. Politicians were using it to stump on. They were creating visions and maps of 2030 and 2050, and this became part of the zeitgeist, but it started in the summer of 2018 and because you don't always have a radar to see how people are thinking or how it shifts perspectives, we miss that in foresight and we think to your point that this is a time capsule exercise. We're going to come back in a few years and see if we were right, but all of those things that are happening now were set in motion in 2018.
Frank: I would even go so far as to make the argument that the future happened in 2018 not today.
Yvette: It did.
Frank: All we're seeing today is the repercussions the ripples of it.
Yvette: Absolutely.
Frank: That's bound to happen if you grasp that the future is a present transformation or alternative visions of what exists today, the dominant narrative. That's what I want to suggest that the youth got excited about. They're like it is time for the future to happen now, we often say that the future exists across the spectrum. There's the push of the future and that's the end that everybody says forecasting, and they're most used to, and they're hunting for trends, and they say when is this trend going to be important, when it reaches apex.
Then there's the pull of the future the other end of the spectrum that we can pull ourselves to the future. I'll pull the future to today, and that's the end that we don't pay attention to as much, and that's the end we're really talking about here today, that impacts the youth to get out, and be civic, and make a change, or that we could use to encourage them more than 37%, 47%, 57%, 67%, to get out there.
Yvette: Yes think about it, today they're responding to threats as they should. Threats of authoritarianism, threats of climate change. Threats of their personal rights being eliminated. You got 37%, we can get 100% if we flip the narrative to not only say we're going to deal with these threats but we're also going to say what future do we want to create?
Frank: That's right. What a powerful point that is. That you've got a rise of people who are reacting to a present downward spiral saying I do not want to go there.
Yvette: Thank God they are.
Frank: Thank God they are, but barely with any message about what the better future, the better future is just stop this from happening.
Yvette: Stop this nonsense.
Frank: What if you were putting in front of them and transformational reality, a vision of a brighter more brilliant future for them and for all voices included.
Yvette: I was going to say all of us it's not just powerful for the youth.
Frank: Such a powerful point.
Yvette: I think you would inspire gen X and to some extent the baby boomers too. Let's draw this back to some takeaways. Clearly, we want if you can hear our voices, we want you to be part of our mission of democratizing the future, and that means that you have youth in your life, and we want to inspire you to reach out to them and provide them lessons around strategic foresight. If you want a more formal way to do that, there's some great programs. Teach the Future I think is a little bit younger age group but still getting them at school age is still really phenomenal and fantastic and getting involved with Dr. Bishop's program is fantastic.
Frank: Absolutely.
Yvette: A lot of our alumni have gone on to teach for Teach the Future, but you don't have to have a specific program either. You have youth in your life, engage them, engage them with trend cards, engage them with a conversation, help them understand how they scan the environment, how their assumptions and biases play into their thinking, and how they can think in simultaneous multiples, and how the future can't be predicted. Just some of these principles can make such a difference.
Point them to our website. There's so many great free resources, and hopefully, next year if you want to nominate them for year free you've got a few weeks left to do that. We'd love to have them in one of our programs. Obviously, we've extended year free in terms of placement into next year, but the official year free celebration ends on December 31st, so if you have someone you want to nominate we would love to have some additional youth join us for our programs next year. We have programs. really slated for across the globe, all time zones. If you have trouble finding the program that's right, just let us know. We would love to have them join us for a program or use some of our resources.
Frank: Listen to that point. We just saw the first Gen-Z age cohort individual elected to the House of Representatives in Congress in the United States. His name is Maxwell Frost. He is an alumni of the Future School. I'm not saying that he got elected because he was an alumni, the Future School.
Yvette: I'm sure it didn't hurt.
Frank: Didn't hurt. Before doing that right out of high school, or even during this last year or two of high school, he started an organization called March for Life.
Yvette: March For Our Lives. Yes. March For Our Lives. I think the organization was started by the folks in South Florida that were David Hawkins.
Frank: Those guys.
Yvette: Yes. I think he got involved in that. Yes, you're right. Yes. He was definitely a leader within that organization before. He ran for political office here in Florida and he won.
Frank: Somewhere in between he came to the Future School, Foundations and Natural Foresight program. Send those guys. We're going to go after them more aggressively, even in 2023.
Yvette: Beyond that, what can this impact that we're seeing, we're seeing youth because they're young, because they're excited about their future or they're worried about their future. We're seeing them engaged in activism and moving to the polls, but that same spark can be lit by foresight. What's the takeaway there for us?
Frank: Yes, that's exactly right. I think the takeaway there reverberates back to what I was saying about foresight is not a time or space. Yes. The future is today. Yes. The more you grasp that the future is today, the future's not a year from now, the future's not 10 years from now. I know you might be listening to this, I've written this on like LinkedIn before and had people go like, "Are you crazy? Do you not know the thing called time?" I'm not worried about time. This transcends time and space to have an encounter with the future as the poet Maria Rilke said, and people hear me say this all the time, like a broken record, the future enters into us in order to manifest itself. It must before it works its way through us. That's a bit of a paraphrase. The future is today. Be encouraged towards that and practice that as a part of your foresight practice.
Yvette: When you're working with folks and they want to put off foresight or futures thinking, remind them that the future's not about the future, the future is about today. How we think about the future directly impacts the actions we take and those of our stakeholders and our community members.
Frank: Then I would just last but not least before we leave, encourage everybody, get more involved in activist visions. You heard me say that earlier in the podcast, or, positive or reinforcing visions of the future. I know that there's a whole talk out there about doomsday visions or negative visions of the future, or presenting possible negative scenarios motivates people. There's some psychological evidence towards that. There's a lot of psychological research that's been done that says that's not true.
Actually, I think that the more you do it, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. We need more stories and sci-fi and movies and just voices saying, "we can do this". Even if I'll just say something crazy, even if it turns out that we can't do this, and it all ends in a big bang, what did we have to lose? . I think that fact of the matter is yes, the future's not going to look like it did in the past. In some ways we don't want it to, and things aren't going to be the same. We are going to go through some climate problems, and, but we have to find out how we can live lives of equity and liberty and justice and hope and love in those environments. We can, we can. We can.
Yvette: Our shout out at this podcast, I think has to go to Gen-Z, who for me personally gave me a ton of hope and optimism for future based on their recent response in this election. Hopefully, you found some inspiration in this podcast. Don't forget, we do have podcast live streams. We have another one coming up in December where we talk about Listmas. Join us for that checkout on the website for date and time on that. Until next time, thank you for joining us on the Wicked Opportunities Podcast.
Frank: The rest of the world doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving, for obvious reasons, but Mary Listmas everybody. You'll find out what that means on that podcast. Merry Listmas.
Yvette: It's the important holiday. All right, thanks.
Frank: Well, it's wonderful to always be with you and thank you of that again.
Yvette: Thank you, Frank.
Frank: It's great to kick the podcast back into high gear and you'll see us back now, or hear us back, I should say. Everyone take care.
Yvette: Take care.
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