We are fond of saying that foresight is a team sport, but what happens if you are the sole player on your squad? Whether because of funding constraints or due to a lack of organizational support, navigating foresight implementation all alone can feel overwhelming. How do you build a futures thinking culture and avoid burn out you while wearing all of the hats in your foresight practice? Join Frank and Yvette as they share proven tips to survive and thrive as a foresight team of one.
We are fond of saying that foresight is a team sport, but what happens if you are the sole player on your squad? Whether because of funding constraints or due to a lack of organizational support, navigating foresight implementation all alone can feel overwhelming. How do you build a futures thinking culture and avoid burn out you while wearing all of the hats in your foresight practice? Join Frank and Yvette as they share proven tips to survive and thrive as a foresight team of one.
Presenter: Welcome to The Wicked Opportunities Podcast. Yvette Montero Salvatico and Frank Spencer have firsthand experience with the challenges of igniting futurist thinking. Grab a seat as they spill the tea, revealing the most shocking and hilarious experiences from their decade-long partnership. Along the way, learn how you too can flip failures and obstacles into opportunities for transformation. Your wicked opportunities start now.
Frank: Christmas. As we're recording this right now, we're about two weeks out from Christmas. Two and a half weeks, something like that.
Yvette: Yes, this is going to be our last podcast of 2022.
Frank: When we're recording this, we're about two and a half weeks out, which means that I still have two and a half weeks to try to buy my Christmas presents for people.
Yvette: You're a last-minute shopper?
Frank: When I was younger, I always imagined that Christmas would never not be this wonderful, spectacular, mysterious time of year. It still has those elements for me. I'm not in the Christmas spirit yet. Two and a half weeks out, I'm not there.
Yvette: Really?
Frank: No. I still don't really even want to listen to Christmas music. I'll get there.
Yvette: If you put one more string of lights up here at the office--
Frank: I have been very much in the mode of like, the decorations need to be there, but it's almost been like a utilitarian worker be more kind of spirit, than it has been Elf and jolly and Hoho and Christmas and those kinds of things. Now I'm really worried about buying my Christmas presents because I just need to commodify and monetize myself as we should at Christmas.
Yvette: I make the mistake of starting very early and I do a lot of my shopping online, and then I forget what I've bought and over-purchase.
Frank: Here's my problem with shopping online-
Yvette: I have over-extended my budget already.
Frank: Before I say what I was going to say, I'll ask you, when did your Christmas shipping shopping start? Because knowing that you send a lot of stuff to the office, it seems to have started last January.
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It's just been box after box after box.
Yvette: Interestingly enough, there is a lot of shopping for me. Like I am also on my own Christmas list, which is, I think, a good segue into our podcast, a podcast office.
Frank: It sounds like a new album. You could do the Meet at Christmas, or Taylor Swift, it's me, I, I shop for myself at Christmas.
Yvette: I'm the problem, it's me.
Frank: It's me, I shop for Christmas myself. My problem is that if I ship to this office or to my house or to some third arbitrary location, people know what I've bought them for Christmas. I'm having a hard time shipping to a location. I feel my best bet is always to buy in-person, hide it in the trunk of my car, and then nobody knows.
Yvette: Oh, and that makes a lot of sense because I know how much you love going out into the public right now. You're a big fan of crowds and retails.
Frank: It's so good. I don't wear a mask. No, I don't actually wear a mask.
Yvette: If you're listening to this-
Frank: If you're listening, just know I wear a mask.
Yvette: - and you're on Frank's list, you're not getting a gift this year. That's what I'm taking away from this conversation.
Frank: Everybody who listens that might be a Foresight ally or you're new to Foresight, sorry that I won't be buying you a Christmas gift. My gift to you is the Wicked Opportunities podcast. Welcome, my name is Frank Spencer.
Yvette: I'm Yvette Montero Salvatico. This is the final podcast of the year 2022, which was our year three, which is like a big deal. We're excited to bring the year home on a topic that I think is going to be really relevant for folks. We've been covering topics all this year around the wicked problem of establishing Foresight practices, and integrating Foresight. Hopefully, you've taken away some useful practical tips to be able to make Foresight your operating system, which is really what this is all about.
Maybe we'll drop a hint at the end about what's to come in 2023. We won't give a direct thing because--
Frank: Just to be clear, Yvette is saying that so that I won't play the role of one of the Marvel actors who gives away on a talk show-
Yvette: A spoiler alert.
Frank: - that they all die at the end or something, because I'm the one that's most likely to tell you that we did X and Y and Z and it hasn't actually happened yet.
Yvette: Normally, I'm all about that, but this is definitely still in process, but we're really excited about it. Onto today's topic, which we are calling, Me, Myself and I, How to Launch and Grow a Foresight Team of One. Whether or not you consider yourself a Foresight team of one, perhaps you are an individual contributor or a leader within your organization tasked with flying the Foresight flag, or perhaps you're a consultant and you've hung a shingle on your own, or maybe you just feel really alone, especially during the holidays, this podcast is for you.
Frank: That's a whole different Christmas album, because there's a lot of people who feel the holiday blues. They call it the Christmas blues or holiday blues, and if you're a Foresight practitioner, it's double.
Yvette: Seasonal depression is a real thing. It's a real thing.
Frank: A lot of Foresight practitioners have seasonal year-round depression.
Yvette: It's hard. I was thinking today as we were getting ready to record this, that I think we have to give ourselves a break sometimes too, as Foresight professionals. It can be hard to be the one that is continually speaking for the trees to take a line from the Lorax. I think hopefully, through today's podcast you'll get some advice about how to have some self-care, but also how to implement some tactics, so that you don't feel alone. Because we know Foresight's a team sport. We've always said that and that's still true, but we also know that Foresight still is not integrated into our everyday lives in many cases. We often, as Foresight professionals and futurists find ourselves on a bit of an island or a drift, if you will. So I think this is going to be a timely conversation.
Frank: It will be because I love that this is the last podcast of the year because it's a great way to wrap up everything that we've said before because to really make Foresight work, if you go back and listen to all the podcasts that are before this, you'll hear echoes of what we're directly saying today, which is it's not just hard to do Foresight alone, it's really missing the point. We may be the esteemed leader of Foresight in our organization and maybe our name is on the door, Mr. and Mrs. X. Foresight, head of Foresight or whatever. But to really make Foresight work, it is, like you said, a team sport. It's not just that it's hard to do Foresight alone. We really shouldn't be attempting to do Foresight alone. If we want to be successful at it, we're going to need to think about what it means to get beyond me, myself, and I.
Yvette: Again, we recognize, myself having been a corporate Foresight practitioner myself at the Wald Disney Company, that whether it's resource constraints or a lack of sponsorship, or maybe by design, maybe you are in fact a consultant and you are an individual in your organization, we are often attempting to guide people socialize Foresight and maybe we have some days more success than others. How do we weather those periods of time when we do feel more alone and how do we avoid burnout?
As you said, Frank, ultimately our goal is to create community around the future and make it more equitable. That does require for us to involve a lot of other people, a lot of diverse perspectives. Sometimes even people that challenge us or don't see eye to eye with us, and so I think that can all be really, really challenging sometimes.
Frank: It can. It's interesting that you said burnout, because I am a member of a Listserv. Not the Association of Professional Futures or whatever, because people who hear me say Listserv often they think I'm talking about the APF. This is something that you may be a member of if you're listening to today, but it's not one of the most popular Listservs. It's futurist and Foresight professionals on this Listserv.
Somebody was saying that, the other day in confidence, so I'm not going to say who they were, but it's not uncommon to see people say this on this platform because they're looking for community, "I feel very burnout. I've been doing this for a long, long time and I've gotten to the place where I'm not sure that I even care anymore because I've done this for so long, and I feel like it's not making the difference I'd like to see it make." It all depends on what realm you're in and what difference you're trying to make with Foresight, but I think ultimately, we all really want a better world.
Yvette: What's interesting in those situations, is like it flips a switch in people sometimes.
Frank: Yes, absolutely.
Yvette: Like it makes them people that were otherwise either middle of the road or even optimistic-
Frank: Yes, that's right.
Yvette: - end up really only showcasing and promoting dire futures.
Frank: It's very dangerous. When we feel like that we are the lone voice and the wilderness, for those who just got my religious reference there, it can be a very dangerous thing. Then we ended up hiding in a cave.
Yvette: Yes, we give up hope. It's misery loves company, so it's like, "Wow, if I can't beat them, let me join them." I think there's so much psychology there and it's completely understandable.
Frank: It is understandable. I have my days, many days, where I feel this same thing. I said to the community, it's like, "Look, I am on your side. I have many days where I feel that. Let me just give you some of what has helped me, and if it helps you, then that's great, and if it doesn't, fine. Throw it away." What has helped me is to understand that my role as a living being in the cosmos is to live the best life that I can and to help others live their best life that they can, so that we create a better environment life world for one another. Ultimately, I can't control all of these other things. History has shown throughout time that there's been ups and downs and good times and bad times, and wars and nymwars. We're going through one of those right now, and I'm not saying that we're not at the end of the world because this is what, let me just go ahead and get the elephant in the room out of the way.
A lot of people listening to this probably think, well, this might be the end of civilization. We've reached this peak climate change and all of these bad things are happening, and I get really depressed. I know we've taken a bit of a segue here, but I think this is important. It's really important for us to connect with others who can see beyond that box that we put ourselves in. We get stuck in, when we feel that burnout because when you feel burnout, you're shrinking and you shrink down into this box.
When we start hearing others say like, "But wait a second, there's good things happening. Yes, there's climate change and yes, there's these awful things that are taking place, but I can do the best I can to help others to dream and to live, and to pursue life as the rest of the universe sees it." When I see my role there as someone who's going to be born and live and die, and in between, I get to be the best expression of life that I possibly can be, that gives me a different perspective, a new hope. That really comes best from what I surround myself with others who can see a perspective other than my own because if I do this alone, I'm going to fall into that dark place many times. It's easy to happen.
Yvette: Again, it's super easy to be discouraged. That's understandable, so I agree. I think surrounding yourself with a community of individuals that challenge your perspectives if you're feeling down and out, that they can help show you the light.
Frank: That's right.
Yvette: For me, I think maybe because my upbringing was Catholic and I'm a daughter of Cuban immigrants and I'm a mother, all of those things really combine for a heavy helping of guilt as an operating system. When I feel discouraged, and I'm not saying this is the healthiest tactic, but personally, I feel really guilty if I even think about giving up. Because ultimately, none of the work that we do, in my opinion, is about me or us. It's about those who don't have a voice, who aren't privileged and don't have agency in creating better futures.
Frank: That's right.
Yvette: I find it to be, if I'm being 100% honest, really selfish when people throw their hands up, and these are people that are living in air conditioned homes and have access to the internet and have a vehicle via this platform to bitch and moan, which I'm a big fan of bitching and moaning. I do it all the time. But I think if you make your persona about we're all doomed and F-it, then I feel like you probably need another profession because I just don't see what the point is and I--
Frank: Try to find something that helps you help others.
Yvette: Right. I feel like at that point, there are others that would only dream of having the opportunity to speak to people about this work and about how we have the power to create better futures. Again, I'm not saying that there's not days where we get discouraged.
Frank: Absolutely.
Yvette: It is really frustrating. Look, we work with corporate partners all the time and there's no more frustrating work, I think, in strategic Foresight than trying to either do work within the government or work with our corporate partners. I love them all to death, but it's a steep uphill climb most days.
Frank: It very much can be. We've created a different podcast here, but I this is very important.
Yvette: I like it.
Frank: We'll get back to our point in just a minute here, but I do think this is an important point. Like you said, we love working with organizations or corporate partners because, here's the reason we do, the people that we work with in those organizations, more often than not, I'd say 90% of the time, believe exactly what we're saying. They want to make a difference. They want to make a change. They want to make products or services or whatever, that really actually help humanity.
Now that doesn't mean that the larger entity of the corporation has that mindset. They're like, "How do we serve shareholders and how do we make more money? How do we do this quarter, blah, blah, blah?" So there's a fight, not between us and the corporation, many times between those inside the corporation and the corporation themselves. That's why we've always said, we really don't work for companies, we work for the people in companies to change them and make a difference because the reason they hired us in the first place, 90% of the time and we usually don't even work for the other 10% of those clients many times, unless we feel like there's a way to change hearts and minds. But 90% of the time, we're working for people who really, really want to make a difference and are saying like, "We make this product, but I want to make sure that product is really serving humanity to grow and develop and do a thing."
That's why they'll come to us because they know our approach, it's not just, how do we measure more people to commodify them and make sure that they'll buy the product. How do I make sure the demographics are right? We use Foresight in a way that really, really delves into provocative visions of how we can challenge our present systems. I just think that was a very important point that you made. It's like we feel challenged many times by the corporate, but not because of the people in the corporate necessarily. It's because of the corporate entity.
Yvette: Oh, no, it's the system.
Frank: I want to just say, and we'll wrap this up by saying, I want to go back and say I empathize greatly with the people that feel the burnout in the field.
Yvette: Well, you're constantly singing for your supper.
Frank: Constantly singing for your supper.
Yvette: Constantly, constantly and it like, I totally get it because at one point you're like, "Fine, you don't want this, screw you, that's fine." But we're all on the same vessel here and we can't afford to- [crosstalk].
Frank: We can't afford to, and those that shared in that discussion that I started this with-
Yvette: It's not just them.
Frank: No, of course.
Yvette: Literally, we're talking about ourselves like friends, let's be clear. If you all had had microphones and cameras in the Future School office, you would hear us all the time being frustrated. We're human and we're just being really candid here.
Frank: I want to get back because it sounds like I'm pointing fingers, and I'm absolutely not. As a matter of fact, I know the people that said that will tomorrow or probably this morning, they're out helping people again.
Yvette: For sure.
Frank: It's important for me to really point out, that not only are these people that have and are working so hard to change people's lives, but when they do feel that burnout, it's important again, as I said a minute ago, to remember that you're serving people's lives. I think you brought up a great point and that is that our goal ultimately, and that's why I brought up the people inside corporations, this is what I really wanted to say. They are just like the people that you talked about a minute ago, those unheard voices. They're not the underprivileged because they work for companies and they have cushy lives.
What we're trying to do is change people's hearts and minds and lives because that's what makes decisions. Ultimately, if we want to see corporations change and our governments change, we've got to change the people or put the right people in place that do that work. That's how we start from getting burned out.
Again, back to my original point surround yourself with those, or other voices that can help us to see Foresight in the right light. This field exists to challenge those power structures. This field exists to challenge the corporate quantification of life. This field exists to challenge those systems that say, this is the only way the world could ever be.
As Ursula K. Le Guin said, capitalism is this overarching system that we feel like we can never overcome, but we overcame the divine rights of kings as well. We can overcome that. Mega segue in today's podcast, but I thought that was a really powerful point.
Yvette: In terms of looking for a diverse community to challenge yourself, I think again, for me, my sense of responsibility is a big driver. It's again, not uncommon to fall into burnout or even this almost victim mindset of the underdog, when you're practicing Foresight and futurist work. Whether inside a company or outside. Again, we know why a lot of folks ultimately give up, but at the end of the day, you're not alone and you shouldn't be practicing alone.
Let's talk about some of the more tactical things that individuals can do, whether they're a team of one or they're just feeling a particularly moment of isolation. Let's remember that we need to put our oxygen mask on first. This is the safety 101 on the airplane, and they say, if you're traveling with someone, the oxygen mask drop down, put your oxygen mask on first before helping others. We cannot serve others until we are in the right place and the right mindset.
Go back to your toolkit, go back to this field and do the work on yourself. Think about what assumptions and biases are driving your decisions. Think about what limiting beliefs are preventing you from seeing what's possible. If you do need to reach out to others, that's great, but make sure you start with, it's me, I'm the problem. Hi, I'm the problem. It's me, I'd like to circle back to that.
Frank: I'm the one who doesn't want to have a problem, it's me, right?
Yvette: Right.
Frank: When you were saying all that, you were reminding me of our strategy meeting that we had yesterday when we said, one of the things that we get excited about here at the Future School and that I think people get excited to be a part of what we're doing at the Future School, is about mentorship. We often are even surprised that people are like, "Wow, you guys were great mentors," and we didn't even know we were mentoring people.
Maybe it's through the podcast and the different things we do, but also, even in a company, you're hanging your own shingle. See yourself as a future doula, as a mentor of others giving birth to those futures. I know you saw me with my phone here a minute ago, but I was trying to think of who our friend is in Christchurch in New Zealand. Of course, Sheryl Doe, I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name, you'll correct me, Sheryl. She and her cohort there in Christchurch run this great outside of their companies, outside of their daily lives, just a meetup that's turned into a flourishing group in Christchurch now, that invites Soheil and Ella and other people to come in.
Hopefully, we'll get to make our way to Christchurch again soon and be with a group. It's great because she has created this community for people who otherwise would've felt isolated and they get to bring these different perspective and different voices together, and that mentorship is so crucial to be able to perform your best future self within whatever context you're in.
Yvette: Yes, and just to drill a little bit further on that, part of that is again, you may not even realize you're mentoring people.
Frank: That's right.
Yvette: I think it's like for those of us that have had smaller children, it's amazing what they're listening to and how they mimic us. They're always watching and that's the same, is true in our adult lives with our adult peers. People are watching you, how you behave, how you act, not just when you're on stage or when you're facilitating. You're always mentoring when you're in the Foresight field.
I think ultimately, as you said, that can be so powerful as a developmental tool. Bringing others along really helps develop us, teaching others is such a development tool, and we forget about that.
Frank: We really do.
Yvette: You want to do something really powerful for your Foresight practice, find somebody who maybe doesn't have as much experience as you and teach them something, or host a conversation with them, or have a quick cup of coffee with them. I think you'll see that you get as much or more out of that conversation as the person you are mentoring.
Frank: Yes, that's so true. I know that in our show notes, we had talked about what is a good case study on list that we had done, and I was mentioning to somebody the other day, how proud I was that for the past three years we've been working with Don Lavell, through a grant of the Lower Bush Foundation for libraries. Teaching librarians across the United States the power Foresight, but Dawn, as the epicenter of this work-
Yvette: At the Connecticut State Library.
Frank: - at Connecticut State Library. That's right. Thank you for adding that in. She has been mentoring people in this process and teaching them how to mentor one another because one of the problems that I think she's been addressing is Foresight libraries, but these librarians are like, "I'm just doing my daily job," just like many other people.
Yvette: Yes, and I'm isolated. A lot of them are individuals teams of one, and so I think the power of community is really, really a great example there. This common language that Foresight gives us.
Frank: That's right. The common language. She's done a great job, and now they're having these meetups and get togethers. She just posted yesterday that she and Stacy Aldridge, who's been in the field of Foresight for a long time, of course, used to work for the Library of Congress and works in Hawaii libraries now, are speaking together and they're forming scenarios that are national. I mean that's so powerful.
We talked the other day about, gosh, it would be cool to see some national level scenarios, and they're literally building these, and so it's so cool to see that mentorship. They're using the collective power of librarians across the United States.
Yvette: It's the power of Foresight. I think, again, as a reminder, especially if you've been in this field for a minute, don't forget that Foresight is its own best business case. No two people have the same past or the same present, but we can co-create a common future. While again, it's tempting to go back to fear-based tactics or talk about dystopias to try to invoke action, we know that that may get a knee jerk reaction, but doesn't have long-term commitment potential.
It's always best to engage people in transformational visions and giving people more agency, and providing more equity across the board for for the future.
Frank: Of course, the way for you to immediately do something like that is look outside of your business unit or your realm or domain. If you're not in HR, there's people in HR, there's people in innovation, there's people in strategy, et cetera.
One of the things that Tessa Finlev has done is head of Foresight at Dolby, is every interview she does, she says, "We built a team that was cross unit functional, across-functional, and that's how we made-
Yvette: Find those integrations points.
Frank: - it work. That's how we made it work at Dolby.
Yvette: If you're within an organization, finding those integration points with supporting work that already exists and that it's already a process that is in flight, is going to be your best bet. I think the flip side of sort of the underdog, is channel your main character energy, as the kids like to say.
Frank: As the kids like to say.
Yvette: I mean know again, that-- I think a lot of burnout and discouragement in Foresight field, often comes from a lack of confidence. I think we feel like as Foresight professionals, many of us go through a stage of feeling like we have to know it all. We have to know every trend, we have to be the smartest person in the room, and what I-
Frank: That also, I didn't mean to interrupt, but that also blocks us from learning the vast breadth of Foresight. We get so focused on Foresight's supposed to be about upping my game in consumer insights or only doing this, and we miss this broader richness of Foresight that we wouldn't see. When we try to play the know-it-all, not only are we hurting ourselves, but we're limiting the power of Foresight in our realm of what we're trying to accomplish.
Yvette: The future isn't written, you can't know the future.
Frank: That's right.
Yvette: There's no one to have the answer key here, friends. The role of futurist is first and foremost a facilitator. Someone who can bring together people to create a platform for conversation and discussion, and generate action from those conversations, that hopefully, creates a more positive outcome in the future than what we have today. If you're trying to be the sage on the stage, I think in my opinion, you're doing it wrong. I think that is a real easy way to get burnt out.
Frank: Super easy to get burnt out. I mean, congratulations that you got to speak in a lot of conferences and you were the sage on the stage, but it's like eventually, there's just more to the story.
Yvette: Even if you're not literally speaking at conferences--
Frank: I was half kidding.
Yvette: I know. - it's this idea that as a Foresight professional, we have to be well-read, we have to scan all of those thing.
Frank: Absolutely.
Yvette: But it's not about knowing the answers, friends, it's about asking the right questions. It's about being open to, as you said, new perspectives. If you're in a season of feeling discouraged, just know that we're here for you. There's an entire global community of Foresight professionals, both that participate in the Future School offerings and beyond. There are so many people doing great work in all parts of the world, trying to create better futures.
Frank: Yes, there are.
Yvette: You are not alone.
Frank: I just start throwing out names today.
Yvette: You were name-dropping like-
Frank: Sheryl and Tesla-- Tessa, Tesla, what the heck? Tessa.
Yvette: Maybe she drives a Tesla.
Frank: She could, she might, she works at Dolby. I don't know what that's got to do with Tesla. It's nothing, and Dawn. I would just like to say too, that this is my 2022 end-of-year wrap of how appreciative I am of working with you because you to me, Yvette, exemplify the encouraging futurist, the enlightening futurist. I think that's why people really love your work, and I know they love our work and the work that we do together, but it's just amazing to be able to have a partner like you, that encourages me day by day, week by week.
I'm such a passionate person, that I can get on roller coasters, very high, and then the next day, very low, and you keep me steady and you're full of hope. You give hope to so many people in this field, and outside this field and drawing people into the field. I'm super appreciative of you in 2022. It's been a great year. Thank you for that.
Yvette: It has been. I, of course, appreciate our team. I appreciate you, I think that-
Frank: Oh, gosh, there can be a whole-- we should do a podcast on just talking about the power of Nicole Baker Rosa and Angela Crane and Ashley Bowers and how powerful these guys are.
Yvette: I think you help everyday with the work that you do to elevate this field. Oftentimes individuals like yourself, a lot of people understand and respect your genius, and then there's others that feel really challenged by it because you are a provocateur. You are really asking us to ask ourselves, is Foresight doing enough? Are we really embodying what this is and leaning in? Through this podcast, I've learned a ton.
Frank: Oh, same. This is a great format.
Yvette: I've learned to lean into empathy and love, and things that I didn't learn in my MBA and that I didn't practice, when I was in a corporate environment.
Frank: That you won't learn from a Foresight master's degree either. We learn the most once we get our degrees or whatever, our training, and then we get out in the real world.
Yvette: Speaking of learning and maybe being on your own, 2023 will hopefully bring more resources, even more resources that you can deploy individually or as a team, or as a group, more personalized way to experience the future. That's your Easter Egg there.
Frank: Like Santa Claus.
Yvette: We want to thank each of you. I know that we have been less than consistent with our podcast schedule.
Frank: We're back, baby.
Yvette: But we're back. We really do love having this opportunity to speak in a more intimate way with each of you. It would mean the world to us if you share your thoughts with us on social media, share the podcast with your network. We'd love to grow this community even further, and reach more people. We've got to figure out how this podcast continues to evolve in 2023, but we will talk to you in the new year.
Frank: That's a great point because, of course, the name of the podcast is The Wicked Opportunities Podcast. It's supposed to be about, and it is, about the complexity and how we leverage that for opportunity. Of course, this year we had this great opportunity to just talk about what makes Foresight tick and work and how to do it, which is a different kind of view of the wicked opportunities.
Before that, we were talking about anthropological regeneration and those kinds of things. We'll probably get back to that at some point. Actually, we have a great topics lined up for next year, and I think there are some exciting stuff. Like you said, great year, great time, great format, love our audience and so excited to see what people share about it. Love you and look forward to seeing you in 2023.
Yvette: Take care, everyone. Happy Holidays and happy New Year.
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