October Monthly News Review

Ever wondered what makes TJ Watt a star player or why Kenny Pickett's audibles are changing the game for the Steelers? This episode brings you a careful dissection of the October NFL season, with a close focus on the surprise Steelers-Jaguars matchup. We take you through the highs and lows, contemplating the fate of offensive coordinator Matt Canada while highlighting rising talents like Trevor Lawrence. This discussion isn't limited to just one game. We turn the spotlight onto Ravens and Lions, and the evolution of Lamar Jackson as a pocket passer. 

We step away from the NFL for a moment to reflect on sobering global events. The recent conflict between Israel and Palestine is on everyone's mind, and we take an in-depth look at the complex dynamics at play. We discuss the role of Hamas, the Israeli military's reaction, and the media's part in the narrative. The potential for a world war and the dark role of weapons sales is weighed as we navigate this sensitive topic. In a twist, we draw parallels with NFL incidents, exploring the role of emotions in conflicts.

To end on a positive note, we reflect on gratitude and perspective. In the face of global conflicts and high-stakes football, we urge the importance of appreciation. Remembering to be thankful for our loved ones, our quality of life, and even our access to technology is essential. As we navigate through complex topics, we encourage empathy and support for those less fortunate. Tune in for this unique blend of sports analysis and insightful global commentary.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:10

And we're back, live Well kinda, anyways, welcome back we're back dude, we haven't been here. We're doing a Well. I should say I haven't been here with you specifically.

Speaker 2 0:21

I mean I haven't been here with you either. So I mean I think it's been a long time coming and honestly, I was really excited about today. I was like oh shit, I know.

Speaker 1 0:33

And it's like dude, it's like substitute teachers are in bro.

Speaker 3 0:35

We're here, dude.

Speaker 1 0:37

We're doing Heads Up, 7up and Chillin' Exactly, but today is we're doing the October monthly review. Yes, sir, tim and Sam aren't here, so I hope you guys are having a great day. Love you guys. Love you guys absolutely, and we're gonna try to do our best. Here Turns out again, we have a ton of stuff to potentially talk about.

Speaker 3 1:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:03

You know and we're kinda even talking beforehand what's the route we're gonna go today. But if anyone can notice, myself and Evan are sporting the NFL Day.

Speaker 2 1:13

Yep.

Speaker 1 1:15

Got a Steelers fan over here.

Speaker 2 1:16

Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 1:17

With their juicy matchup against the Rams today.

Speaker 2 1:19

Oh, no, no, no, that was last week.

Speaker 1 1:21

Oh my gosh, what are you guys playing today?

Speaker 2 1:23

We're playing the Jaguars, which that's gonna be crazy. So, oh, that's right. Yeah, man, the Jaguars are doing really well this year. Trevor Lawrence, the AKA the Prince, is. He's doing exactly what the Jacksonville Jaguars drafted him to do. He is definitely their cornerstone piece in that offense. He's definitely a great up-and-coming star.

Speaker 2 1:45

I think that it's anybody's game and, honestly, with my team, the Steelers, they're 4-2, but it's like how the hell are they 4-2? They have an amazing defense. Tj Watt, who I'm wearing in his jersey right now. He is absolutely amazing. Honestly, because of him, I think we are 4-2. He is the pivotal piece in our defense, just in our team in general. Honestly, I think he's been getting a great run to be a defensive player of the year. I mean, he has more sacks than anybody in the league right now. Is he leading with sacks? I believe so. Yes, again, unless there has been a change recently, but from last I checked. But, that being said, great defense. Our cornerbacks are a little iffy. Our defensive backfield is not that great because we have problems there, but we have a lot of offensive weapons. We have a bad offensive coordinator by the name of Matt Canada and he needs to make some maple syrup and get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 2:51

We need to fire him.

Speaker 2 2:53

I'm very much on board with firing Matt Canada. I am very much on board with us figuring something else out, but the thing is we still manage to win games. We have a lot of great pieces Deontay Johnson, George Pickett or no George Pickens, and then Kenny Pickett. Everybody is saying, oh, I don't know if Kenny Pickett's the guy I actually kind of think he is. Honestly, he's only in his second season, but the way that this guy lights up in the fourth quarter, you want that in a quarterback. You don't want someone to shrivel up in the fourth quarter, you want someone to come back and actually win it for you, which he's done time and time again. I think that it's like when we get a proper offensive coordinator and then also if we build up our offensive line, because that's trash right now too. It's like offensive coordinator and offensive line are not great. Najee Harris hasn't been able to run the ball as effectively as we would like him to. Same with Jaylen Warren. Honestly, both of them are phenomenal.

Speaker 1 3:55

I don't know why you guys don't start Warren and run Najee out of the slot for a short passing game. Jaylen Warren, I think, is a fantastic running back. I think he will be the next. I mean, I like Najee Harris. I always root for him because I feel like he's a cool guy. I've seen a lot of off the field stuff with him and he's just very likable. Seems like a good team player.

Speaker 2 4:17

He's from the Bay.

Speaker 1 4:18

Is that where he's from?

Speaker 2 4:20

Yeah, I think he's from Oakland. Oh, he's either. Yeah, he's North Carolina. Yeah, Bay Area guy.

Speaker 1 4:26

Okay, yeah, I mean, and you know what I think I like how you say you don't know how. You're foreign too, because I've watched a lot of Steelers games just here and I kind of feel the same way. But they have this fourth quarter resurgence. Yes, it's like if they could just figure out how to start the game in that manner then, they would be a really really top tier team.

Speaker 2 4:44

Well, you know what, though it's as far as, with that, a lot of the fourth quarter stuff is more of like Kenny Pickett going off script and like making audibles. Actually, there's been a couple of clips of the last couple of games that, like they've scored touchdowns. You know, kenny Pickett literally will call it audible and then do like a play that is like no, fuck this, we're going to do this play, and then it'll cut back to Matt, canada and all and everybody is like cheering and all, and then Matt Throwing the club board down.

Speaker 2 5:12

And like he's just well, he's just like there, he's not excited, he's just very stoic and all and it's just like.

Speaker 2 5:17

he's very like plain and you'd think for a guy who's fighting for his job, you know it'd be a little more excited that his offense is actually scoring. But then the thing is it's like oh wait, it's not the play that he's rid up, it was like a totally like. It was an audible that like a Kenny Pickett was just like no, we're doing this. And that happened like two games in a row now, and so you know, just seeing them, yeah, like, honestly, like it's, the offense is, I wouldn't necessarily say like a atrocious, but, for lack of a better word, atrocious for three quarters.

Speaker 1 5:54

Just the consistency of the like. They seem to start flat and then it takes the controversy throughout the game to kind of light that spark. But it is good seeing, like you know, when you see the younger quarterbacks like get to go off script. I think that's where the promise of the future, like as a potential franchise quarterback, is at Right, because it's a game. Script is one thing and sometimes you'll see rookies do well.

Speaker 2 6:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:20

I mean, a great example of that is like not to be just because I'm a Bears fan, but Trabisky was a was a very good example of sticking to grant game script. In the first you know 20 plays of the game he would look like a top 10 quarterback. But anytime, you know, because as the game goes on, defensive reads they pick up on things, they start everyone's changing on both sides. Yeah, and now you have the off script potential changes and that's where you see guys will not step into that next role and being that top tier quarterback like the Mahomes or like Aaron Rodgers or Tom. I mean Tom Brady's a bad example because he basically called all the plays from the quarterback position. But yeah, yeah, you know. So it's fun seeing that I'm a fan of Kenny Pickett and George Pickens is the man dude, he is a fucking beast.

Speaker 2 7:08

And you know it's funny that, like you, brought up Mr Risky, because now he's our backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 7:13

I know, hey, I was going to say you're good dude, he's a good like injury filler time guy Big time he is.

Speaker 2 7:20

I will say and again, I don't say this to be, like you know, to punch down at your team and everything- but it's Okay, I could take it, it's a bear's friend. Don't bear's, but you know, it's like you know. I think that they, like the bears. That organization ruined Mitch Trebisky, just like I think that they might be ruining Justin Fields. Might be, might be.

Speaker 1 7:43

I think we're full blown. I was like I think you've seen Justin Fields and again, this is not, this isn't. I wish with every fiber of my being in football fandom as a bear's fan, that Justin Fields delivers Like it's not a. So when I say these things, it's not because I don't want him to be excellent, because he has all the markers, he's the, the build, the athletic ability he has, he has an arm, he has a can't dude and when he was a high I was high.

Speaker 2 8:14

Yeah, Ohio State, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 8:16

He wasn't a running quarterback, no, I mean, he wasn't like a true pocket passer either, but he had a lot of like. He was a dual threat and downfield accuracy was a thing for him and all of a sudden you know obviously it's not college then it felt as much different, but it's like he's been victim of a and I hate using the word victim, but the victim circumstance in this case, right, is that the bear's identity of who they're trying to be. It's like when Nagi came in, they want to be Kansas City. Right, they're not Kansas City. They don't have the playmakers like Kansas City. They don't have the offensive line like Kansas City. And let's be real, dude, what makes Kansas City what they are is my homes and unfortunately, you know it wasn't translating, but even though, if you're a dude, if you're a casual fan, you could see that what they try to do doesn't work. So it's been super frustrating.

Speaker 2 9:04

You know what who's actually doing? Pulling a Kansas City right now, and not not in the way of, like a quarterback play, but how to like basically rebuild a franchise the Detroit Lions. So the Detroit Lions they literally looked at how Kansas, like modern day Kansas City, literally like, built themselves and everything being, like you know, super Bowl contenders, like just being a top contender in the NFL. Right, they're arguably the best team in the NFL, even if, like they, their offense isn't quite right after, like, eric Biennamy went to Washington. Right, but they're still winning games. They're still like they have a better defense than they've ever had. So they're more balanced team this year than they've ever been. And all that so they mean their offense have may have gone down, but their defense has gone significantly higher. So now they're a more balanced team and they're still able to beat teams. It may not seem like as much of a blowout, but they're, they're doing the job.

Speaker 2 10:02

But what Detroit did is that they, what they drafted, like the first thing that they did was they drafted a left tackle to cover the blindside.

Discussion About Football Teams and Players

Speaker 2 10:13

Then they then, like they traded away their like you know, franchise player like Matt Stafford and got a shit ton of picks and Jerry Goff and everything and everyone's thinking. I remember I remember I was like LA did Jerry Goff really dirty because they're like, oh, we don't believe in this guy. I'm like, dude, this guy is actually a good player and I like he, like he was a young quarterback yeah, he makes some mistakes. The fact is is that, like you know, they're like, oh well, he took us to one Super Bowl but he lost it. He's not our guy and but he's having an amazing season. Obviously, like last game against the Ravens, which the Ravens are a really good team they did like he got like destroyed by, but you know, they built up. They built up their offense of a left tackle. They got like a solid, you know veteran quarterback that can throw the ball. It's a good pocket passer like a legitimate, like like gunslinger.

Speaker 2 11:03

And then like and then they started building up like again, getting a good receiver, getting a good running back and all and so like they're really just building up their team, oh yeah, and then their edge rusher like. Hutchinson, bro, he's a beast. Do you know how tall that guy?

Speaker 1 11:17

is no. How tall is he? He is six foot seven, like 268 pounds. What Basically pure muscle.

Speaker 2 11:26

Dude, that guy's a monster, Holy shit.

Speaker 1 11:28

I didn't realize because, like his, there was some commentary about his wingspan, because I was thinking it was after the first week. He like there was game week one and he had a crazy good game.

Speaker 3 11:37

And yeah.

Speaker 1 11:39

I was like there he was standing next to somebody and he looked like a gigantic person standing next to like a child, right, I'm like how tall is? Anyways, looked up, he's six, seven and just all athletic as can be. And they scored on that pickup with him. And I totally agree with you, the rebuild of Detroit's model, you know, they went out very similar to like Kansas City. Right, you build off the line, you create security and going after golf, I thought was genius because his metrics were if he has protection, he's a top five quarterback.

Speaker 1 12:12

If he has to scramble. He can't, he's not fast, he's not going to run. If you get pressure on him, which the Patriots showed in the Super Bowl, it puts him in spot. But if you have a good line you can create that distance. He needs that one extra second and he's. You know, it's like it's like a 40% differential on his completion percentage. And to talk about the game against Uh, what did they play against the?

Speaker 2 12:34

Ravens.

Speaker 1 12:34

Jesus, they hadn't played the, they hadn't played Baltimore in years and I think I don't even think they've faced them with Lamar. And there's, like some I read, some interesting metric that for every team's first time playing against Lamar Jackson with the Ravens, yeah the Ravens have like a 95% win percentage.

Speaker 2 12:52

Every NFC team.

Speaker 1 12:54

Oh NFC team.

Speaker 2 12:55

So at any NFC team and it's uh, you know it's funny because, like the week before, what? Like uh? Or was it the week before, two weeks before? It's like you know, the Steelers beat the Ravens and all and everyone's like uh, saying it's like it was more so. The Ravens lost that game rather than the Steelers won that game, because there's a bunch of drop passes or like miscue with the like uh, with their routes and everything. But I mean again uh, like uh, coach Tomlin says a win to win and it's like we do not apologize for winning yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 13:26

You know.

Speaker 2 13:27

So I'm like I'm like, yeah, I get it, but I'm like, you know, it's like obviously if things went another way, like yeah, the Ravens would have won that game, but at the same time it's like we keep exactly, but we keep it like the thing is like the AFC North, like the Ravens, will always have a really big challenge against other AFC North teams, um, every once in a while, like it'll be like a, like a standard blowout, but, um, but yeah, no, because we see them twice a year, every year.

Speaker 2 13:54

It's like we're used to like, so Steelers are used to, um, used to LeBron Jackson to, so that they know how to contain them, at least to where it's like you know, some of his greatness doesn't shine Right and the fact is is that, like you know, I know that there are some people who are like, ah, like, I don't believe in LeBron Jackson, da, da, da, um, I think he's overhyped, I and like, and there are times where it's like you can see that and you're like, yeah, maybe you know, but then you watch him dude, Dude yeah.

Speaker 2 14:17

He's really good, yeah, and he the thing is is that he's a. You know he came in more as a scrambling quarterback like a like a Michael Vick 2.0. Yeah, but honestly, dude his, his ability to become more of a pocket passer, like he's gotten so much better in his passing game and honestly I think like he's blooming into like into his own like where he's going into his you know his prime right when he still has his legs and he's getting a lot more accurate in the pocket and so you know, his, his career is most definitely going to like expand longer. Now is now that he has more of a command in the pocket. Because you know, like, just like a you know Michael Vick like, honestly he like was mostly a scrambler and all that and like for the majority of his career and then when he did go to Philly with Ed Reed.

Speaker 2 15:09

He did become a little bit more of a pocket passer way later in his career but like he had maybe like what, two or three good seasons in Philly and then after that he was kind of done. I mean, granted, funny enough. Not a lot of people know this, but Michael Vick was a backup quarterback for the Steelers at the end of his career.

Speaker 1 15:28

Oh, that's right yeah.

Speaker 2 15:29

He was back up for a big bend, which was wild to think, because you're like wait, what the hell am I yeah?

Speaker 2 15:35

So but yeah, but it's. You know he's like he is a better version of Michael Vick and I think that you know he has a lot of promise and like. The one thing that's really cool to see is that you know how. Like you know when players get paid a lot of money and like or like they get the big payday, but then it's like their play doesn't kind of reflect that anymore, cause like they're like I mean you could even say the same thing about like the Sean Watson and how, like that whole entire debacle. You know what. I love it because fuck the Browns. All right, if you're Cleveland fan, hey, you know what. You might be a great person and like we might have get along, have a beer, but I mean yo fuck your team, like yeah.

Speaker 1 16:15

Well, I mean, dude. I feel the same way about the.

Speaker 2 16:16

Packers.

Speaker 1 16:17

Even though now I feel like we can beat them, even though the week one. Yeah, but you know what, and it's, it's interesting because it's like those types of players, you know, like that's what, like going back to the Bears. Right, that's what the hope was with Justin Fields and still is to a certain extent.

Speaker 1 16:33

But I will say this depending on how his hand heals up, if Tyler Bajant or AKA T-Bag which is the funniest nickname of a quarterback if they go out and they beat the Chargers tonight and he has a just a competent game. It doesn't have to be you know some, you know world beater type.

Speaker 3 16:55

Right.

Speaker 1 16:55

He looks. I released last week. He looked good and he looked good as in. He kind of had like a Alex Smith vibe to him. Good game manager. Quick reads didn't turn the ball over. Now it was against the Raiders, so you got to take that for what it is, but at the same time I think it was a good transition. This will be more of a test tonight If they can be competent against what I would say is a porous Chargers defense and the Bears defense has to stop the Chargers offense, which there's, I feel in lies, a bigger question mark. Yeah, but it should be an entertaining game. I'm super pumped because we're going.

Speaker 2 17:28

I do yeah, dude, that's gonna be sick man. Oh man, so far, so dope I've never been, so I'm really excited. I've never been inside for a football game. We were there for a concert at the YouTube theater like back in. May, but like again, like oh man, that looks so sick. I have some friends that like actually work like at SoFi, so like I've always see like all the clips of them on IG. You know, I have like I'm like damn, it looks sick. I'll send you some pictures.

Speaker 1 17:53

Tonight, dude, I'm super, super, super pumped. I don't know what to expect other than I don't know. I feel like I've been trained to not be. I say this out loud, but the reality is, when we lose, is it like just, it's such a weird thing. It's like I, it means nothing to my life, but and it's like you're doing it. It's like you sent, you, send that to me yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have the like. I have the choice to let this impact me for the remainder of the day.

Speaker 1 18:18

It has no bearing on anything that happens in my life.

Speaker 2 18:21

And then there's like a blank, blank thing where you just sit, and it's like I'm going to fucking let it yeah, I'm going to let it destroy my day, you know?

Speaker 1 18:28

yeah, and it's just, you know, I guess that's what it is being a fan and you'd think, of course I mean being a fan of a franchise that's been an eternal letdown, essentially, other than like I guess it makes you just like the little wins in a weird way. So it's like not this expectation of greatness, so you kind of just you roll with it. But, oh, dude, like I think it's there though, dude, like I think you know, like and I, and again like I don't, I don't want to say like, ah, man, we got to move on from fields, but I also feel like it might be time to move on. And I'm not saying Kayla Williams is the answer either, because I watched the game last week and he did not look as good as I, as far as that was the first time I watched the whole game. Now, again, it's one game.

Speaker 3 19:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1 19:07

But it was one game against a top tier team that I thought, ok, well, this is what you're going to see in the NFL more things like this and better, right. And so how does he handle it? And I was like, oh my God, they're already talking about going after this guy. And I'm like, nah, didn't, didn't knock my socks off. I'll say that much.

Discussion on NFL Teams and Players

Speaker 2 19:22

Actually, hang on, Like, where do you think, where do you think Kayla Williams is realistically going to go? Like again, based on draft, yeah, Like we're like he's going to, he's going to go number one. Who do you think is actually going to win the Kayla Williams sweepstakes of being like the worst team?

Speaker 1 19:39

Well, I mean, I hope it's not the Bears, because that means the Bears aren't going to win maybe more than one or two more games for the rest of the season. I really think that he can be in Arizona. I think that he can end up, see that.

Speaker 1 19:54

Honestly like he won't end up at Tennessee, but Tennessee would need a quarterback, although Will Levis is starting today, so we'll see I thought he was going to do a lot better, pound out more, but he hasn't had a start for the season yet, so Well, yeah, but like he had a couple of starts last season and he did not look good and everything. The mayonnaise and bananas weren't helping him out.

Speaker 2 20:16

No, no, like, honestly, it's funny because I remember that draft, like because him and Kenny Pickett were both drafted in the same draft class. No, kenny Pickett was the first quarterback taken in that, he was the only quarterback in the first round taken. But it was really funny just because, like, oh, it's like, oh, yeah, like we might get Willis and all. I think he's a better fit for us, for our team, and I'm like he might be a better fit for us, like right now, are you?

Speaker 1 20:42

talking about Malik Willis? Oh, my bad, I was talking about Will Levis.

Speaker 2 20:46

It's tough because they have a very similar same name. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 20:49

Yeah, this was his last draft. Oh, is it Will Leviss? Anyway, but he was the guy that during draft day was there because he was gonna possibly go in like the top 15. Oh, and then he didn't get picked at all and they were, like you know, on the cameras and he looked. You know he's bummed out.

Speaker 1 21:09

Of course every, every guy would, he was shading on that and I was thinking I'm like why, of course he's gonna be upset. You know what I mean. Like if I was told like, hey, you might even go number two, number three, number four, you know, you got your family there, everyone's getting ready and stuff and you don't even get picked on day one, I'd be like I'd have a hard time keeping it together too.

Speaker 1 21:27

So, get out there and kick some ass today, but you deserve it. Hell yeah, but yeah. So I know this is a monthly review and we've kind of just basically only talked football.

Speaker 3 21:37

Yeah.

Speaker 1 21:38

Well, one more question, though, Other than let's say who do you think the best team in football is right now?

Speaker 2 21:47

The best team in football right now. Okay, it's tough because, like you know, other teams blossom at different times and all that Based off of last week, like the. I mean again like it's tough because, like you know, you think like based off of last week, it's like oh, the Ravens look like just like fucking monsters.

Speaker 1 22:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2 22:14

And like all the way, like from like weeks what? Week one through five, like I was thinking you know San Francisco which, by the way, san Francisco when we played them week one. Like I was going into the season like kind of feeling my team a little bit too much and I and I got humbled real quick on week one.

Speaker 2 22:33

To the point where it's like I had like, for a good few weeks I just had pessimism, and a pessimism for my team where it's like, oh hey, you won a game. It's like, yeah, but did we really win though? It's like, like you know, like it was kind of like I had a little bitter taste in my mouth all the way from week one. But I just saw time and time again that, like you know, san Francisco is the real deal. Obviously, the last two games kind of like you know, kind of like a, demystified that a little bit.

Speaker 2 23:01

I think that when they're healthy, that San Fran is probably the best team. Overall. They have the most complete team. I think the most exciting offense is Miami. I think that when the bills actually, like the bills are hot and cold, they're either really good and dominant or they lose to the Jets, you know. So it's kind of hit and miss and like I mean you could say I mean even the Eagles the Eagles are winning the most ugly football that has ever been played. You know the Tush push or the Brotherly shove. Like you know the Brotherly shove I haven't heard that one yet, oh man.

Speaker 1 23:38

That was good.

Speaker 2 23:40

So you know, like there's, I think that as far as and now again there are some people that are saying like, oh well, it's Kansas City, because they're still winning, they have a more balanced team that they have ever had, like their offense is still, like they're still trying to find an identity, they actually just honestly like the only thing that the Kansas City needs is receivers, because they can't just rely on Kelsey like they have been doing.

Speaker 1 24:05

What are you talking about? If you have 10 wide receiver fours, that's gotta.

Speaker 2 24:10

I'm just joking. You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 24:12

The fact is that they are a team that can still put it together somehow With like relatively no one. I think Rishi Rice is good.

Speaker 2 24:21

Like I think he'll be their number one outside.

Speaker 1 24:24

Of.

Speaker 2 24:24

Kelsey yeah, he'll grow into that for sure.

Speaker 1 24:26

But like, why aren't they going after like a handful of like decent veterans that they can absolutely be a number one on their team?

Speaker 3 24:34

Big toe.

Speaker 1 24:35

I mean honestly, that's why I think the organization looks at it and they just go yeah, we're actually doing pretty good so with relatively, you know nobody and they're, you know they don't take the financial cap hit. You know what I mean. So they're basically balling on a budget and it's all around Mahomes. I mean that's it and their defense, for whatever reason, it started the year good Like that never happens.

Speaker 2 24:59

Exactly Like Kansas City has been known for just having a really their best defense is their offense. It's like that in the past, like they've had like next to nothing like defense, and which is why that one year what? Four or five years ago, where it was like you know Jared Goff Rams and you know Mahomes with Kansas City, where that was like the most like high scoring game in NFL history Dude, I was at that game.

Speaker 1 25:24

Oh, it was a life moment. Check off list. Like that was the most exciting game. I mean, dude, like I would run up to go grab a beer and I would miss two touchdowns. Oh, like what's going on? Like it's just like in six minutes, like, come on, you know it was really cool.

Discussion on Potential Super Bowl Contenders

Speaker 2 25:42

Yeah, like I honestly dude. I think that as far as when it comes to there is no like I don't see like a standalone best team in the league and everything, I would say like there's a good handful of teams that I think will take it all the way. I think that it's like you know, san Fran, when they're healthy, I think Kansas City is still there, like, unless, like they absolutely just get beat and everything if they like get handed, basically if they get handed it to them, like the Lions just got handed to them, like from the Ravens and everything. If they have a loss like that, then it's like okay, yeah, they're human, but like they're winning games there it's not as flashy as it used to be, they're kind of playing more conservative football and everything. Like again, like relatively for the Kansas, for Kansas City, yeah. But I honestly think, like you know, we might see a rematch of like a 49er Chief Super Bowl again. I guess you know I could also see, you know, the rematch of last year of the Chiefs and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 26:47

I don't wanna see that I don't either. I really don't.

Speaker 2 26:51

But, like you know, like I want more variety, but you know, I think the Ravens are in the mix for sure. Yeah, and again, there are teams that I really like seeing and I like seeing them do well, like the Lions, even though I know that they're a division, I don't care.

Speaker 1 27:08

That's who I, that's how I'm. I mean, obviously, I wish the Bears would turn it all around and be undefeated and have a playoff run by the end of the year, but at the end of the day, I think Detroit's really well-rounded, like you're a lot of the points you were talking about earlier, and I really, really think that they have a good chance of making it to the end.

Speaker 1 27:25

Are they the best team in football, which is, I guess, what the original question was? Probably not, but they're up there and I would say probably the Niners are probably the most complete team. The defense is unreal and as much shade as Brock Pretty gets as far as like, I know he had a bad game last week, but yeah, he also had a concussion last week that no one knew about until like he got in the plane.

Speaker 1 27:44

It was like a day later, dude. Yeah Well, they're all seems like. Oh yeah, by the way, like I can't see my toes, yeah, he didn't say that, but I just what I'm getting at is that, like that makes more sense, Cause he had a lot of bad reads in that game, which hasn't been his MO for since he took the Ravens. What the last 11 games? Yeah.

NFL Quarterbacks and Israel-Palestine Conflict

Speaker 2 27:58

Yeah, honestly, I think that, okay, like before we move on to yeah, with Brock, the whole entire thing with Brock Pretty, this is my thing. So I think that people may have overhyped him when he came in and like he started taking over and like no one was expecting anything from him, and then he does his job, basically, and then everybody overhypes him, right, and then now it's like we're getting to a point where people are now just starting to dog him and trash him like unnecessarily and all. I think maybe some of that praise might have been unnecessary too, but now it's like it's the exact opposite Pendulum's swung in a different direction. I think that he is again he's. People need to understand that, dude, this is only his second year.

Speaker 2 28:41

This guy came in as Mr Irrelevant, like Larry. Like, for those who don't know, mr Irrelevant is literally the last pick in the NFL draft, so he was the last person to get drafted in his draft class, whereas, if I enough, he's the last quarterback, whereas Kenny Pickett was the first quarterback and he definitely showed that he was the better quarterback that week one. But granted, again different circumstances where, like, kenny Pickett is in a situation where, like, he has to step up and be like, you know, kind of do more for his team, whereas Brock Purdy has a team set up around him. So, honestly, like he has kind of a similar situation, you know, and like I hate making this comparison, but like everybody does is that he has more of a, he has a better situation, as like a Tom Brady type of situation where he's going into a good organization.

Speaker 2 29:35

Good organization, like you know, that everything else is set in place and he's literally like like again. Like no one expected a lot from Tom Brady when he first started, cause no one really knew who the hell he was. And so same thing with Brock Purdy he's doing his job, he's doing great. You know, there was like the game in Cleveland. It's just like there was just a bunch of stuff happening there as far as, like you know, wet, like bad weather, all that stuff Granted it football. Obviously I understand, but, like you know, that was his first like not great game that he's had in the NFL and everyone's going way too hard on him because, like he's supposed, like he's supposed to be perfect, because like he's out, he has a great team around him, he should not be able to mess up. I'm like dude, he's a young quarterback in the NFL and like he's he's there's going to be growing pains there.

Speaker 1 30:25

Dude. The fact he hasn't had the game like last week, I think more so shows you that, like he is, absolutely he's going to. I mean, he's going to be the guy in San Francisco, barring no injury for sure. And you know and like so much of that you know, and we'll move on from football because I feel like we need to cover some other things too, but I can talk this all day, Dude.

Speaker 2 30:48

I love it.

Speaker 1 30:49

But which maybe next time we won't call it a review, we'll just do football. Football Sundays, but Tim new segment right, I know we've talked about it, yeah, no, but it's so much, just kind of lucky, like on where you land. You know, like he's he's obviously a good, like Perti's a great quarterback, a good player, a good coachable player, and you know he happened to fall into a team that has a lot of the key components already there, you know. So it's like, dude, if Kenny Pickett was on the Niners.

Speaker 2 31:20

Oh dude, he would be doing amazing.

Speaker 1 31:22

You were right.

Speaker 1 31:23

I mean like he's like a step up and you know athleticism, throwing that kind of like gamer type, you know, or so it's like so much of the shuffle. Just that's what makes football so interesting is like you can have guys like whoever you know, like look at Justin Fields, get her example right, right, all the metrics of athleticism off the charts, he's the next, whatever. Yeah, dude, you know you go to an organization which you know our offensive coordinator. I just I can't stand him. Dude, run, stop running out of shotgun formation, just do it. You know, mix it up, go traditional, play action, rollouts, all that stuff. Like as soon as they went old school first game, the game that they tried that out, they scored 38 points. It looked great.

Speaker 2 32:05

Wait, was that against the Broncos? It was against Denver.

Speaker 1 32:07

We fell apart there in the end. But I'm just saying like the scheme was different, showed success, next week comes back. They went away from it, sucked, lost. Week after that comes back. We ended up winning that game because they started mixing it up again and like to talk like I know exactly what I'm talking about. Dude, I'm just a big fan.

Speaker 1 32:27

That's all, Of course of course, I'm not a head coach or I'm not an offensive coordinator, but I tell you what, if I can see things as a casual fan, I'd have to imagine, like you're going what are you doing, man? You know now, is that the play calls? Is that the expectations of your players to be able to execute, or are your players messing it up Because all these things go inside? But at the end of the day, if you're not winning, you're not going to be able to do anything.

Speaker 1 32:51

Yeah, three years he's high fields is one like three games for four games. I think now that's the longest I've ever seen a rookie quarterback which is not even a rookie anymore right given a chance to be a winner and just do the NFL, the media, everything is always like you know. It's not his fault.

Speaker 2 33:10

It's not his fault everyone, everyone's making excuses for him and everything. Yeah, and believe me.

Speaker 1 33:14

I do it too like. I'm like well, you know the line sucks. I was a bad play calling that it up. At the end of the day, dude, you got a, an undrafted free agent that comes in, that hasn't played a game since the division to college team right came out Looked competent.

Speaker 1 33:27

Yeah and one, yeah. So I'm like okay. Well, like I said, tonight's gonna be the true test. I really hope it works out for the Bears and I. You know I'm bummed because my wife's a charger and I'm not bummed, but like there's gonna be that, like you know, oh, she's gonna be a chargers fan and I mean like and I love, I do. I love the Chargers Justin Herbert, echler, freakin, josh Palmer. Hopefully well, in my case I hope he doesn't play tonight but he probably will yeah him and Keenan Allen Probably torch the Bears.

Speaker 1 33:53

Second, year.

Speaker 2 33:53

I mean, dude, like you have what Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack as well, and everything, but the thing is like Well, dude, you're awesome, but you sucked for us. Yeah, Dude it's funny cuz like, yeah, whenever, whenever, I'm not rooting for the Steelers and all, I'm rooting for the Raiders, and so he's like he was a raider first. Yeah, and you know it's funny just because, yeah, like I, it's like I really don't care about the chargers. Honestly, they should just stay in San Diego.

Speaker 2 34:21

Yeah like but yeah, it's like. I think that like yeah, whenever it's like the Raiders are playing, it's like obviously it's like, yeah, we, we hate the Broncos. And then like, yeah, the Chiefs is like, ah, yeah, we don't like them either, but even though that it's exciting for them to watch. Honestly, I don't have anything any beef with the Chiefs. I think what they're doing is great and, honestly, there's fan base is awesome. Yeah like they honestly have never met a dick. That's a cheese fan.

Speaker 1 34:46

No right, you know they're either.

Speaker 2 34:47

Yeah, they're not kind of want them to be, so I can like, not like them, yeah, so I could hate them, but yeah.

Speaker 1 34:52

I'm like cuz, it's easier. Yeah, the fans are jerks. You're like yeah, when you're not, you're like damn it, dude, that's why it's so easy to hate New England.

Speaker 2 34:59

You know Cuz like boss.

Speaker 1 35:07

Yeah, anyway, we Know I love it, man, I love it. I just wanted to. We'll just, we'll just talk about one more subject, and it's super relevant and it's very controversial, you know. So Try to tactfully speak my mind about it. Yeah, which I feel like it's kind of in the middle. Anyway, so same. But what's happening with Israel and Palestine? You know, I'm sure everyone is aware of the incident that occurred and now the backlash that's occurring, with the whole instance going down the Gaza Strip. Yep, without getting too deep into the history of stuff because I am not a history expert at this, which also is the reason why I take my stance on this it's an area that has been Fuelled by turmoil based on religious ideology from the get-go.

Speaker 2 35:59

Yeah, like from like dude. It's like like what was it like this? Like this goes back, what like Centuries, right?

Speaker 1 36:07

Well, it's the it's it's the fight of that area, predominantly as a holy rights right, you know so you have Palestinians, muslim, stating that these are holy lands of this area, versus Israelis, with, you know, having this and again, like I don't even know the exact spots of it, but it runs the borders of both those countries right, and you know it's. It's one of those things where I feel like there's, you know, like you said earlier, there's bad blood on both.

Speaker 3 36:35

Sorry, I'm trying to do the cameras at the same time.

Speaker 1 36:38

No, but there's bad blood on both sides, you know, and it's like so when you have people. You know, when I say people, I mean people from that area that have the affiliation to it. I'm not talking about some White college kid that's not affiliated in either way but wants to stand up, and I use that term just because there's a lot of memes and things of Seeing these more specifically, like the pro-Palestinian protests and stuff, where you start looking in the crowd and you're like man, okay, like interesting vibe, because then again, right. So it's like, if you're taking the side of, like, like I don't want anyone to die, right, okay, which is a fair statement. You know what I mean. It's like, yeah, I don't want to see innocent people get hurt, and I feel that way on both sides. So it's like, yeah, my take.

Speaker 1 37:23

When I first saw it, when I when that, when that happened the first day, I thought, oh man, that's not good. You know what I mean. Obviously it's not good. But like this wasn't just like. I mean, dude, israel has the Iron Dome. They get potshots from rockets all the time.

Speaker 2 37:36

That's why they have it right yeah and they're actively defending themselves constantly right.

The Israel-Palestine Conflict and Retaliation

Speaker 1 37:40

Now, whether you're an agreeance of that or not, it's just what it is, right, right. So when this occurred, which basically was like 1500 soldiers, whether it's ARC, I mean, you see all the, the Concerts where people are flying in and, oh yeah, going out and killing people and stuff, like when I saw that, I thought, holy crap, dude, like they have to make a crate, like they have to be Extremely aggressive in response, right dude, when I yeah, actually I agree with you when I saw that it was just it, like you know, that was like kind of a spark plug.

Speaker 2 38:10

It's like that was a trigger of you know what was to come to, where there would be even, like more bloodshed, and it's just like you know, like Because it's funny, it's funny how it's like you know, it's like military operations, though I'm like you know the like it, like Hamas, the turret terrorist group, like went in and like literally did it. It was like it was just an act of terrorism, right.

Speaker 2 38:32

Yeah, and so, and so you know a lot of like, and not only like Israel, like civilians, but, like you know, international civilians that were just at that, like you know, outdoor 22 Americans.

Speaker 2 38:43

I think, yeah, like non-military, yeah, you know, and like, and then like all, and then like the people who Didn't die, like there are like a lot of hostages from that situation to that are still hostages, right, yeah, and so obviously, yeah, like the whole entire, like the retaliation, and this is like where it's like you know, like the whole entire conflict. There is, like you know, like all the bombing that's going down now where it's like you know, yes, like what the initial, like trigger, like the thing that sparked it all off At least this current rendition, because, again, like there's been so many of these throughout the decades, right, right?

Speaker 2 39:20

And so it's like you know, the thing is like I'm like, I'm like maybe this is gonna sound controversial, but like there's blood on both people, both sides, and everything. Like there's blood on people, both people's hands, like where you know, it's Like I, obviously, I just want all the stop. I just want all the stop right everything you know cuz you know it.

Speaker 2 39:41

But the but, yeah, but like the retaliation of like, just like this, like straight up bombing and everything right, it just like. You know. Obviously it's like we're like the actions or like what they're saying is like we want to Get rid of Hamas, but then it's like but the declared war on.

Speaker 3 39:58

Yeah.

Speaker 2 40:00

But it's like the actions are not like, it's like you're Disregarding civilians and everything, and I think that's kind of like. I think that's like the issue. I think that's the issue with a lot of people are having, as far as when it comes to like you know, like a protest or the ceasefire stuff, right, it's like you know, it's like this is not the way to do it or like it's becoming a more of a humanitarian crisis, right?

Speaker 1 40:24

And that's and that's kind of the thing too is it's like okay, look like I, and then when I talk about it, it I am. I will sound like I'm pro-Israel when I'm talking about it, and that's not necessarily the the true foundation of what I'm thinking. Because at the same time, it's like look to have an event that took place, right so, as the largest loss of Israelis, essentially since the Holocaust, right, and a one-time event, right, right. So You're crazy if you think that they're not going to retaliate when every country that surrounds them is basically wants them off the map, right, doesn't recognize Israel as a country, and a lot of that is disputed in religious issues, because the majority of the surrounding countries are all Muslim. Yeah, you know, and I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying that, like, if you're backed into a corner which these people are right, it makes sense that they would be aggressive in the retaliation. However, it's hard to justify that when you're you know it's like look, collateral damage is a thing. That's why war isn't pretty, that's why all the stuff that goes on when they're fighting it sucks. So when people are like I'm pro-saving Palestinian people, it'd be like, yeah, dude, like I totally would support, not women and children dying. Yes, you know like I and I agree with that, but I also think it's kind of like you're.

Speaker 1 41:35

There's too many blanket statements. It's generalize when it's like because you're saying, okay, free Palestine. It's like, well, just so you're aware, the Gaza Strip isn't Essentially Palestine. Yeah, okay, it's like a. It's like a border-shared area where there's both sides of people that are in one spot. If the, if the goal is to go into eradicate, which will never happen, you can't. Because it's like, it's like a right. It's like saying that you're going to war on an ideology. Hamas is a group right and they're the recognized group within Palestine, which is like the pseudo political slash. You know tears organization, but yeah, at the end, of the day.

Speaker 1 42:14

It's like when people are saying they're freeing Palestine, I don't feel like Most people aren't. Well, we're pro Hamas, but you're really just anti people getting killed, your anti collateral damage, your anti this, but it's not how it gets propagated from the media, right? So when you see, like lgbtq flags Flying free Hamas, I'm like, hey, don't you remember, like a year and a half ago, when the girl was stoned to death or was killed by the, the Palestinian officers, because she was wearing what wasn't considered to be appropriate out in public? Right, you're telling me that Palestine supports this. Like that's why it's like. It's like this hypocrisy that just you know keeps accelerating, but, like most movements that are bound with religion or faith or Race or whatever, right, it kind of has generated these huge Outcries, right, and so, like that's why we're seeing like I think it was in DC.

Speaker 1 43:05

They had a hundred thousand people show up in a pro-Palestinian Well, dude, and everyone's chanting from the river to the sea set Palestine free and I'm like, just so everyone's aware of that, that means from the river, from the Jordan River, up to the sea that is, israel is in the middle of that. So if you're saying like you're setting them free, what to get rid of Israel, like that, that's why it's like I don't think people understand the history and the understanding of how this operates, where it's like I don't think the random person who's like pro whatever, that they don't have a total grasp on what's going on. I just think it's like Sometimes he's turned into a popular thing, right, you know. And then it's like I'm like, well, dude, like I could be against both things. I just don't want to. I just don't want people to innocent people to be hurt. Yeah, I don't want the fighting to keep going on and it's Sad to see. But I'm also like what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, like you can't do what you just did and then Israel is going to go. Oh, okay, maybe.

Speaker 1 44:00

Like I was trying to make an. I was talking to someone about this the other day and I felt like it's not a great example, but I was trying to bridge that. It would be like saying Between, let's say, california and Mexico, right, and you can make the argument that the United States and California are Moving drug trafficking people. Does that, that we've done some shady things, that people that live in Mexico are probably like F the United States. My family member was killed Da, da, da da in the process of this.

Speaker 1 44:30

Just like we would say we don't want cartel moving in here and doing all this stuff and innocent people dying and all the bad blood is there, right, right. But if A thousand people came over and they were like, oh, I'm going to be killed, I'm going to be killed, I'm going to be killed. If a thousand people came over into San Diego and 500 people were slaughtered that day, you can bet your ass the United States would Go in and mess them shit up, with the potential of collateral damage also being a problem. So it's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 44:57

I can understand almost like kind of like a forced hand to like retaliate, like it's like a forced retaliation.

Implications of Israel-Palestine Conflict

Speaker 1 45:03

Right. I was like, even if, even if you are the representative of that country, how are you going to walk up and be like, yeah, we're just, you know, we're really unhappy with how this went? No, you have to have, there has to be a strong stance, and they even more so in the Middle East, which I think a lot of those areas are. Basically the power structure is what leadership is built upon, and fear is a huge tactic, and so it's like I don't think I mean, at least I'm not shocked that this is the response. You know, the unfortunate side of it is is like look, you know, cause, like even the whole thing with like oh, they bombed a you know, which is actually kind of ironic because there was like two days into it.

Speaker 2 45:37

Oh, the hospital, the hospital that was supposedly bombed.

Speaker 1 45:40

Which by. Israel but yeah, there wasn't it wasn't.

Speaker 2 45:44

It was like actually a failed bomb from like Hamas Right.

Speaker 1 45:49

They were trying to launch bombs from the parking lot of the hospital that ended up blowing up in the parking lot, but then they said it was an Israel strike, so in like not to get. I don't want to get nitpicky in it, but it's like, look, at the end of the day it's gonna. It's gross, it's dirty, it's murky water. Yeah, it's murky is a great way to yeah.

Speaker 2 46:07

Yeah, honestly, I think it's honestly I okay, like, so I, you know me being, you know, just a white guy in America, right, I'm like as far as like I don't like it, like this doesn't have like a direct impact on me because I'm neither like Jewish or Palestinian, right, like so, or like you know, or Muslim, like honestly like I'm neither and all that, so it doesn't affect me personally, right?

Speaker 2 46:36

So it's like I'm definitely the outsider looking in on this and so obviously I don't want to know any part of it Like. The one thing that I do fear, though, as an American, is more so of like the broader implications of you know, would this be like the powder keg thing that actually sparks off another world war? Where it's like, if we go to war with Iran, which I think that's like a worst case scenario, cause we don't want to like, we don't want to war with Iran, we don't honestly like I don't, we don't want to war with anybody, like, and that's the thing where it's like we like and I don't want us to get involved in something that we don't necessarily need to be involved with. I know, I do understand that we are allies to Israel and actually, like Israel is like one of the biggest consumers of our weapons.

Speaker 3 47:23

I got like they're like.

Speaker 2 47:24

They're, like our like biggest customer as far as when it comes to like, manufacturing weapons and everything because of like, because of their military like, their military aspects.

Speaker 1 47:36

Yeah, we funnel a lot of stuff through Israel and us being one of their biggest backers, you know, gives them, it propagates them too to be, like, I would say, to not be messed with in that way, right, but it's like they're also one of, like, the only standing democracies in the area, right, and you know, and it's interesting, cause it's like, and they have a big split over there and like, in the last couple of weeks I've been listening to a lot of stuff and digging in a little bit, cause I was like I'm, you know, I don't know, I want to educate myself a little bit on some stuff, because I feel like there's implications on the broader spectrum, like what you're talking about is what concerns me.

Speaker 2 48:12

Yes, that's my, that's more of my concern If, like, I don't I don't want to come off seeming like insensitive to the issue because again, it's like I think that you know it's there's a lot of stuff that I don't understand. Even, dude, like I remember I've had, like like I've had like Jewish friends, like growing up, and like they've kind of talked about like conflicts, like, like you know, israel, palestine, like conflicts back in the day when, like I was like a kid, like 10, 15 years ago, right, and the thing is, every single Jewish friend I had like I would ask like a question about it, I was like no, you don't understand. Like this is like it's different, don't like you know everything.

Speaker 1 48:48

Yeah, and probably around that time is, I thought that they had a, they had a small war that had gone on between the two already. So it's like the turmoil and past history is there. So that's kind of where it's like when you, when you hear things and you know it's like, okay, yeah, these are the bad guys, and it's like, look, you can't take it as good guys, bad guys.

Potential Implications of Current Conflicts

Speaker 1 49:08

You can't because it's like there's both on both sides, I'm sure, but it's like you have to go off to like, at least the way I look at it is that this was a specific event that's gonna propagate a retaliation. That retaliation now hopefully isn't drawn out for too long. But if they can get key people within the you know terrorist group or what is deemed as a terrorist group, then good, then that's a win in itself. But the reality is is that, as this keeps moving on, cause like look, we've like, the United States has deployed ships closer to that area that moved in Two days ago they had bombed, like I ran, backed Islamic extreme groups in Syria, oh Syria, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 49:49

And you know, and that's because that was a retaliation effort, because the US outposts have been starting to become attacked- so it's like From like, from like Arab just extreme we can just call them extreme groups at this moment, and I don't know the specifics on a lot of that stuff, but I'm like there are many things occurring right now where you have positioning of stuff that can lead to, you know, a potential World War three type conflict, and that's not good for anybody. No, and you know. So the hope here is that it's like listen, you know, get the, get the people in charge that started this, you know, the propagated this move of Hamas. That's a win. Yeah, Get rid of them. You know, and I'm on board with that, that's fucking terrible what happened, you know.

Speaker 1 50:34

But outside of that, it's like I hope that cooler heads will prevail at a certain point because our economy, the way things are going, all this stuff, it's like dude, we don't, we don't, I don't think we would want that now, I'm sure, like Lockheed Martin and all them are looking at their chops because they're like we're gonna make a shit ton of money if this goes through, but you know, but at the end of the day, I think it's like that that would be a bad, bad deal for the world in that case.

Speaker 1 51:00

And look, iran's a heavy hitter.

Speaker 1 51:02

you know whether you think they're a powerful nation or not, but they're. They're part of the BRICS group with China, russia. You know what I mean. These are more implications and what'll end up happening, in my opinion, is that if we do get drawn into more conflicts, all that's going to happen is there'll be a war of economics, which has already has been, you know. But now these groups are trying to, you know, they're trying to power play the world, and it's like the United States, the UN.

Speaker 1 51:28

You know, I don't know it's like. You know it's like will we be okay here in the United States? I think, yeah, we'll be okay, like physically, you know, I don't think, I don't think there's gonna be nuclear war and like and I know people use that term a lot because it's a scary subject matter but I also feel like anytime you talk about like nukes, that's more of like something, I think, where it's like, unless the world's like ready to write itself off, which I don't think that's going to be the case you can't nuke an area because the area that you hit is not going to be operable for quite some time, right With the radiation fallout and stuff like that. So the idea that this terminator, like end of the world may occur. I don't really believe that, because you know it's like all right, well then, what You're going to nuke a country, and then that country can, is not inhabitable. Yeah Okay, that doesn't even make sense from a power play position. Exactly, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 52:18

Yeah, that's it, like that's if, like you know, like you're backed into the corner and like you're like, well, it's like if we can't have it, nobody can kind of deal Right. And, like you know, it's funny too because actually, like with everything going on, you know, with Israel and Gaza Strip and all that, you know how funny it is, how, like all the attention has been taken away from Ukraine and all yeah, but not the spending bill that we're trying to sneak another $60 billion over to Ukraine Bullshit though, like, but it's like you know, it's like it's starting to where it's like you know Sollensky's like started to sweat, I think a little bit, because you're like, oh, like you know, it's like the support and like the attention is not going to be on them anymore.

Speaker 2 53:02

And so it's like that's going to be like a little interesting there as well. But I honestly think, when it comes to just all this conflict, obviously again there's only so much that I know about this topic and like, and again I got I can be quite frank, like I don't know too much other than like what's currently happening right now and what we're currently seeing. I do think that the retaliation that Israel is like unleashing upon, like the Gaza Strip and like again, again it's supposed to be towards Hamas, but you know, the civilian casualties are so high and most of, and a lot of them are children and everything Cause like a Gaza Strip, like the Gaza, like two million people, I think, live in the area and it's a mix of.

Speaker 1 53:51

It's a mix of everybody of the area, so it's like a non-.

Speaker 2 53:54

But like almost half of that is like children, you know, and that's, and that's something that is you know, that's something that like shed light on where it's like you know that's not like I mean, obviously that's not okay, but but you know, it comes to a point where it's like hell. I think, even like Jaco Willink like said that's like yeah, I think the bombing kind of needs to stop and you need to kind of switch tactics because this is not necessarily working. And also, if you think about this way, you know, what type of look is that for Israel, right, like, for, like the world to see it, like you're always starting to see the tights turn as far as like public opinion towards Israel because of, like you know, their retaliation. Obviously, like, like you know, it's like they had it to retaliate and everything they had to show some type of force, but one is, like some type of force, almost overkill.

Podcast Discussion

Speaker 1 54:45

Yeah, and I think that that's a very good point and that's a. There was actually I can't remember one of the podcasts I was listening to. It was like the day after the event occurred and someone was talking about that exact thing. Is that the way things seem to work as of in the last few years, you know, with social media influence and all that kind of stuff, it's like the very first day that happened. The support of Israel was massive.

Speaker 1 55:12

It's like, oh my God, that's terrible, because it's something to empathize with. I mean, it was absolutely crazy, absolutely crazy. And so and it's like, okay, well, they're gonna do something back.

Speaker 2 55:22

Right.

Speaker 1 55:23

But as time moves forward, what happens? We all forget about the initial issue.

Speaker 2 55:30

So then-, dude, I think we listened to the same podcast. It was Breaking Points.

Speaker 1 55:36

No, this was, I think, the PBD Patrick, david, oh, patrick, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was someone that he had on the show that was talking about it.

Speaker 2 55:46

Maybe it was the same person, because I listened to the same thing with Breaking Points, the Breaking.

Speaker 1 55:50

Points okay, but that's the truth behind it and just like everything else, I mean look, a good example again probably not a popular topic, but what happened with BLM and the George Floyd process? And it's like, look people. I mean it's a bad comparison to death. But what I mean is that a situation propagated a response and that response depending, I mean look, fired up because this guy was killed. That was the narrative, and I'm not in support of the Chauvin guy at all.

Speaker 2 56:27

Right right.

Speaker 1 56:28

But I don't know, like in the last week or so, the autopsy report, like the official document, came out and it was talking about how there was no physical damage to his body that the coroners found. It was just the talk. Screening of the high fentanyl Is potentially or not, potentially is the cause of death, right, so and that's out there. I'm not making this up and I'm not saying you know, I'm not saying like see this was all messed up.

Speaker 1 56:55

I don't mean it that way, cause, like I understand, there's a field response with things and how things work. Now I definitely think it was way over the top and out of line with the destruction that caused. Oh, big time. But going back to my point is that If that information had come out at that, it is irrelevant.

Speaker 2 57:12

Right.

Speaker 1 57:12

Because the wheel already has started turning in that way and we forget about the reason, or maybe it's not what actually happened, but it's the thought of what happened which perpetuates things moving forward, which, in this case, it's probably going to be the opposite for the Israel support Right Because, even though it's like, yeah, absolutely, go in there and fuck these people up, dude, they killed hundreds of innocent people, hostages all this Maybe.

Speaker 2 57:38

Yeah, yeah, 40 babies.

Speaker 1 57:39

Well, that you know. And then it was like is that true, is it not true? And I'm like, look at the end of the day, like, well, it's crazy, it's all crazy and deserve. The people in charge of that deserve to get taken down. But as this moves forward, the tactics that they choose to do, the bombings, the collateral damage that will happen no matter what, even though, like I will say that the you know, we give them 48 hours to vacate an area. But then you have thousands of refugees that have been trying to get to the borders of the areas. Egypt terms them down, freaking Syria turns them down, all these other things, so now you force them back into the fucking soup. Yeah Well, you know what I mean. And then people are going to die, you know, and it's not good either way, you know.

Discussion on Conflict and Emotional Responses

Speaker 2 58:20

They will. And another thing too, with that is like, as far as I give them 48 hours and like they're only like their only route to like Egypt, like to like to get to Egypt, everything gets bombed and everything, and so it's like where are they supposed to turn to?

Speaker 2 58:33

you know? And also, again, like you know, it's just, I feel, like the, I do feel, like you know, the other countries surrounding have, like you know, they like inadvertently have blood on their hands too for turning away, right, like sure, it's like you know, it's like oh, like no, no, you need to go back and everything right. It was like we don't want any of this and everything, but it's like you know, it's. Yeah, I think it's like a whole, a whole big mess.

Speaker 2 59:00

But I do think, like what you were saying as far as, like you know, like the thought of it, and then it's like people get caught up in the emotion, right, and that's why, like, where I see people like that again, like whether it be like you know, the BLM, like a protest and riots and everything, or even with this, it's just like people get caught up with the emotion and people do things based off of emotion and everything, where you know, I think that I mean, I believe that you do this too, but, like you know, taking a step back and like just looking at the situation without the emotion, seeing what's going on, because, again, like we can get way too caught up with like again, you get caught up and dragged away and everything with like the like emotion of the time that's happening and not like not thinking away where it's just like you need to have a bigger, a broader perspective instead of like this, very honed in, like this pain point.

Speaker 2 59:54

I also think that you know how like I guess I can soccer. It's like or well, any sports really you know, someone might do something to a player, like give a cheap shot and everything, but it's like the foul or the flag or the red card or the whatever, like soccer.

Speaker 1 1:00:10

You're making a soccer reference right now. I was, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 1:00:14

You know, sorry, I just watched Beckham, so you know, oh, yeah, so.

Speaker 3 1:00:17

I'm just pulling out dude, it's cool.

Speaker 2 1:00:19

I know, yeah, but like you, know, but like you get, like you get the flag called on you and all the technical all that stuff. Like that only is done mostly to the retaliators and not to the initial person that caused that cheap shot. I mean, obviously it happens where it's like oh, if there's a blatant cheap shot, like it'll get called. But there's a lot of times where they'll do like the slight cheap shot where it's like to get under the guy's skin and then the other guy just erupts and goes ham on them Right, and so that's kind of what I'm seeing. What's going on right now Like again making it like terrible to make a sports reference for your reward, but like you know I mean it's reference.

Speaker 2 1:00:55

It's like you know, it's like, yeah, like Hamas did this absolute cheap shot, like a horrific cheap shot, right. But then it's like the retaliation is the thing, where it's like what was it? Oh, okay, you know what here I could make this type of reference right when it's like like a couple of years ago there was like the Miles, garrett, mason, rudolph like Browns.

Speaker 2 1:01:17

Browns Steelers game, right, yeah, so the Steelers like Miles Garrett, like Saks, mason Rudolph and all that. And then I guess, like there's some stuff being said and a lot, and then like Mason Rudolph, but he says something to Mason Rudolph. Mason Rudolph says something like in his face and everything, and they get into it. And to a point where it's like like Miles Garrett takes off Mason Rudolph's helmet and smashes it on Mason Rudolph's head. Luckily, like, honestly, like if it was turned the other way, mason Rudolph would have been dead, because Miles Garrett is for those that don't know, miles Garrett is like a fucking unit.

Speaker 1 1:01:56

Like he's Freakiest athlete. Like like it looked. Like he was concocted in a Petri dish. Like he is a monster of a man.

Speaker 2 1:02:02

A monster of a man. He's twice the size of both me and Jordan combined. Oh yeah, that's how big he is. So, but like Mason Rudolph, I guess apparently said something to Miles Garrett and so caused Miles Garrett to retaliate, and then he gets the like a suspension for the majority of the year because of based off of that action, right, right, regardless of what Mason Rudolph did and everything it's like.

Speaker 2 1:02:29

The action that Miles Garrett took was totally not excusable. Like and that's not something that like and that's something that everyone's like or like. Oh well, I get it, but you shouldn't have done that. I think that's kind of the similar thing as far like again, like, not similar, no, I see the explanation, dude, or the comparison, right, and that's what I mean, dude.

Speaker 1 1:02:49

that's what most things in life kind of, how they work. You know it's like an inexcusable response. You know it doesn't excuse the reason of why the response was that way. Maybe you're vindicated in that moment, right, but it doesn't. Depending on what the aftermath of that response is, everyone's going to forget the reason why you did it.

Speaker 2 1:03:12

Yeah, everyone's just going to know the action that you took.

Speaker 1 1:03:14

Exactly, yeah, and that's why it's like this, this whole thing with the conflict that's going on over there is it's so hard to just be like oh, I'm one side, I'm this, I'm that you know, and, at the end of the day, you know, if you're which I feel like most people are probably pro-humanitarian rights, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:03:34

And so, and there's no, there's no clear cut way to go into it. You know and like look, I have, I have, I have friends that are Jewish, or you know, and I have friends that are Muslim and you know or you know, so it's like I can.

Speaker 2 1:03:49

People on both sides.

Understanding the Complexity of Political Stances

Speaker 1 1:03:50

Absolutely hear people out for what their opinions are and at the end of the day, it's like my, my general opinion on it all is like I don't want any more fighting and I don't want to see people struggle and I hope that, hey, the bad people on either side get taken care of. Now I know there's you know, it's like you know it was that you can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs, and that's a terrible fucking term to say in relation to war, right. So it's like there is an understanding that conflict will generate collateral damage and I just hopefully that collateral damage gets mitigated and is less and less moving forward, because it's super sad to see anybody lose their life. That doesn't you know. That isn't involved, right, and you know. So I just.

Speaker 1 1:04:31

But the other side of me is kind of like looking at it where it's like dude, I see all these like pro, whatever rallies and you're like dude, you don't, you don't fucking know, dude, you have no idea. You know what I mean, or maybe you do, maybe I do, and if your family members are over there and all the stuff, for whatever side you're on, I absolutely understand the passion that's behind your stance, Right? I just think that the other people that you're influencing because they just feel a certain way. That's where those are the people that I'm like. Take a step back, see what's going on, you know. Make an educated opinion before you paint your body and show up to a protest screaming your heads off. I mean like that's what I don't know. I feel like it's like the. It's like the. It's like the.

Speaker 1 1:05:11

Non sport enthusiasts sport dude honestly and you know what I mean, and it's it's unfortunate to see, because these are big things and they aren't like terrible, you know. So it's like that's why we're going back to sit and where it's like oh, you know, you want to support whatever group it is you want to support. It's like yeah, I get it, you know. Like, but I think, instead of being like, hey, I'm pro Palestine, I'm pro Israel, you should be like I'm pro anti war, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:05:35

Like that's what you want. I think that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:05:37

You want to paint yourself and all of this. Whatever that flag is or whatever that sign you're holding is like no more innocent deaths, period dude, on both sides. It doesn't mean I'm against Muslims, it doesn't mean I'm against Israel. It doesn't mean anything other than I just don't want to see innocent people die. Yeah, you know, and it's like I might be a little bit of a cop out.

Speaker 2 1:05:55

I'm sure if someone's listening they're like I've heard you say like yeah, but I'm like both sides stands for BS and all that you know like, sure yeah.

Speaker 2 1:06:01

You know whatever, but like yeah, no, no, no, I think honestly, like I do, I agree 100% with you. I think that as far as and obviously there's there's a lot more complications within the issue, it's like there's there's a lot more in there, like a lot more you know just there's a lot more nuance in the situation. There is stuff that, like you know, there are things that, like you know, people that are more pro-Palestine or like, or people that are from Palestine, they have like legitimate grievances, like 100% everything.

Speaker 2 1:06:36

There's like there's stuff involved there, but then again there is also grievances for Israel too, and 100%, like you know it's like, honestly, I think that it's like whoever had like more backing, like honestly I kind of think about, like on the way over here I'm like you know who has like more of the like political and financial, military backing, like like would be doing the same thing to the other side, and so it's like, honestly, like there, like there is, like you know, bad blood on both sides and everything, and I think that you know there is more to it than like, oh, this person is bad, that person is bad. Like there's a lot of like nuance in this. I think that you know the average. I feel like the average American doesn't know about everything.

Speaker 2 1:07:17

And I think that you know it's like you can't get swept up from one side or the other about it. And I think that, again, saying that I was like yeah, just no, like no war, like just like no more innocent lives like taken, like you know, because, like you know, it's like again it's just it's horrible, right.

Speaker 1 1:07:36

And yeah, like I had another point too, but you know it was just well, I feel like it's something that we could probably talk about, you know, for a couple hours to be honest with you, but I will probably wrap it up here, right.

Speaker 3 1:07:49

Yeah, about an hour, but now, man, I'm well here.

Speaker 1 1:07:51

How about this? You know, with all the doom and gloom outside of the football talk that we've had, I'm super, I'm super happy that we were able to get on here and have like have fun. Well, I shouldn't say fun, conversation with what?

Speaker 1 1:08:03

we just talked about, but I have a good conversation about it because it is relevant and it is going on.

Speaker 1 1:08:08

But at the end of the day, I think that for everyone who gets wrapped up into the polarizing political stuff, you know, just take a deep breath and look around you, you know, see what's going on, and I, honestly, when I say this out loud, I get caught up in a lot of stuff too, you know, and, like I, let my emotions, you know, dictate sometimes how I feel.

Speaker 1 1:08:30

But I think the overall goal is to take that step back, try to appreciate everything that you have in the life where you're at right now and where it's going, and whether it's good or bad. If it's bad, try to correct it and get to a good and if it's good, enjoy the process, because it's bad for a lot of people out there and you got to be appreciative for the things that you have, and you know there's so much to talk about of, as far as you know, things in my life that I'm just so fortunate to have being here in the United States in a safe area with you know, family, friends, all that good stuff. So I just encourage everyone to go out there, have a great week, or until the next time we do this, you know, but I'm just super pumped. We were able to get on here and get the chat around a little bit.

Speaker 2 1:09:11

Hell yeah, man, hell yeah, no. Honestly, that was the one thing I remember to say when you were saying it. It's like, dude, I think that, like you know, there's a lot to be grateful for and, like you know, as mad as the world may seem and everything, there's actually a lot of good that we can be appreciative. And as far as like how far we've come technology-wise and, like you know, quality of life, all like overall, and everything is like we've come a long way, like you know, as a world really yeah. And another thing too, like I'll just leave off with, is that, like you know, with everything going on, it's like, not like.

Speaker 2 1:09:45

It's like you don't like like if you feel the need that you're like like earlier, you feel pressured that you have to be an activist. You don't, you don't have to be an activist. Like like not everyone has to. Like you don't have to give a damn about every single thing that goes along in the world because you're going to be absolutely miserable, like that's. You know you don't need to like. It's like you know you could take a step back, you could take like again. Like, look at what's going on in your life and your immediate life. It's like again, maybe we shouldn't stay online as much as we may do, right.

Speaker 2 1:10:16

And so it's like again, stay like in reality and obviously, of course, like other people's realities may be absolutely horrible, like the people, like in Gaza and like like everything. But, like you were just saying, man, just again, like, I think there's a lot to be grateful for and I think that for the majority of us, at least here in the United States, there's a lot like again, like there's a lot that I think that, like you know, we may take for granted. I think that we need to like, look at and, you know, be grateful for and that, like you know again, you know hug your loved ones. Like you know, tell them that you love them, tell them, like how much you appreciate them, appreciate the things that you have that are great going on in your life. And, yeah, I just like you know, I'm just I'm seconding, I'm just repeating what you're saying, but, man, it's absolutely like, again, I think that's like them.

Speaker 1 1:11:03

That's a huge takeaway that I think that we should all have and we should all, we should all practice what we preach in that, and I'm just as guilty of that too. You know it's easier to say stuff than do it, but I think the premise and moving forward and having a better outlook on things is, you know, falling through with that you know, be appreciative of the things you have, strive for greatness.

Speaker 1 1:11:25

And you know, life short, life is short, life is super short. You know what I mean and we try to make the best of it. And you know, like we're like, like everything you said to man, like I think it's a good note to leave it off of, is like. Being empathetic is one thing, yes, being a driven activist, if you will, maybe, is another. But you know, be supportive and I'm not saying that people can't be supportive of things at all.

Speaker 1 1:11:50

Of course, yeah, but you know, like I'm not saying you can't show support, like I'm not saying that, but like Well, showing up and screaming in someone's face because you are doing it If you're not a vested interest in that is like not the same as someone you know from there essentially you know what I mean From there who has family members there, Like that's like. I feel, like.

Speaker 2 1:12:10

those are two different things. If you're like you're just like you know, a college student, that like you, don't, you don't really again for lack of a better term have skin in the game and everything. But I mean that's so horrible. Like okay, it makes sense you know, but yeah, but it's like that's not a threat, it's not yeah.

Speaker 2 1:12:25

Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, oh Jesus, but like, again, like, if it doesn't, if it doesn't directly affect you, and like you are the one like going out and like doing this. I'm like, yes, you could show support, but it's like you don't have to be like, it's like you don't need to be like an activist yourself, like, but again, show support, you know, show care. And like the four, like the ones who, like you know, maybe going through it, but, like you know, at the end of the day, it's like just again, just like, live your life, live, live your life, like you know, so Make it better for you and everyone around.

Speaker 2 1:13:01

Exactly Be a positive person.

Speaker 1 1:13:04

Or what was the other thing? Someone always used to say like you know, when you go somewhere, like make it a thing where, like leave it better than how you found it oh, dude, that's what my coach would say it's a coach thing.

Speaker 2 1:13:16

Yeah, I was like I've heard that whole idea, that's what my coach would say, whenever we go into the locker room, or not the locker room, the the weight room at my high school, because I remember it, because, like, as football players, we go in there after either the wrestling team or the basketball team and they would like leave it like an absolute mess. And yes, I'm calling, I'm calling people out at El Toro High School. It's a wrestler Dude, the fucking wrestlers, I swear to.

Speaker 1 1:13:39

God Dude, you're gross.

Speaker 2 1:13:40

Honestly, like you do, like you wouldn't rewrap your shit and all that, and like, yeah, like yo, and if you, if you guys like alumni that are hearing this and everything, like you know, it's like if you want to come out for me, I said what I said you guys like, did not rewrap your weights. It's a pet peeve of mine, but you know what it taught me to be. It's like again, like, like you said, leave it better than how you found it, and I think that's a huge, I think that's the greatest takeaway Everything.

Speaker 3 1:14:05

It's a it's a.

Speaker 1 1:14:06

It's a. It's a cliche term that I've heard growing up, but you know what? It's a very good euphemism for life.

Speaker 2 1:14:11

Exactly. And you know, hopefully positive influence, you know.

Speaker 1 1:14:15

Exactly, man. Well, shoot, dude, we'll wrap it up, man. Thank you so much for coming on. Normally this is Tim's MO, but can we do a? Let's go on three All right One, two three let's go, let's go, bye everybody.

Speaker 3 1:14:33

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