JFK Assassination - Our thoughs

Episode 96:  JFK Assassination 

In this episode, Lisa and I dive into our personal thoughts on the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A quick note: My apologies for the mix-up — I misspoke, the Mafia was involved in solving the disappearance of three civil rights workers in Mississippi, not the tragic 16th Street Church bombing in Birmingham. Also, to clarify, Operation Mongoose was the U.S. government operation in which the Mafia played a role in efforts related to Cuba.
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References:
Operation Mongoose
Mississippi Burning 

Transcript

Episode 96 

John: [00:00:00] Back for another exciting episode. How you today? 

Lisa: Good. How you 

John: just, dandy? I wish the weather was a little bit better, coming up on the show, we didn't really discuss this one. This one, I wouldn't say it's off the cuff, but this is something that I've wanted to do for a long time. I wanted to talk about JFK's assassination.

When I first started the podcast, I wanted to do the big investigative thing that everybody else does. All the conspiracies and all that stuff. Nah, I don't really wanna do that because that's been done multiple times. Multiple, geez. Hundreds and thousands of times. 

Lisa: You are saying it's saturated, the top right.

Mine will 

John: be more of like an opinion or my thoughts and theories on the assassination of JFK. So I'm just putting it out there like that, because I've seen everything that you can imagine on JFK's [00:01:00] assassination. And also I've read a couple of books on JFK. His family, not only the assassination.

Lisa: That's actually what I was gonna ask you. Did you wanna do some deep diving into it or anything like that? But you just explained it that it's been done. 

John: Yeah, it has been done. But one of the books I did read wasn't really based on Kennedy's assassination. I see. It also talked about JFK Jr.

Being. Killed in the airplane crash as well. The other book I, I read about that it was more about the conspiracies. Would you even call it evidence because all the evidence disappeared. It's based on research of other people, not evidence. 

Lisa: I was just about to ask are, when you say evidence, are you talking about evidence on the FBI website?

John: No. No. You know how 

Lisa: they have all that stuff, like that's public record. 

John: The evidence disappeared from the assassination. 

Lisa: Explain. 

John: So when Kennedy was assassinated, everybody [00:02:00] knows he was taken to a hospital. 

Lisa: Yep. 

John: Rushed air secret service. Everybody's with him. His brain went missing. 

Lisa: Oh, I see what you're saying.

The 

John: x-rays went missing. 

Lisa: Physical evidence, 

John: the skull fragments went missing. Okay. The bullet 

Lisa: Yep. 

John: Was gone. 

Lisa: Yep. 

John: So there's no real evidence. Evidence. So everything's based off of research. 'cause the only thing we really have to go off of is what we saw because it was recorded. Sure. So we were able to see video of it and everybody based their research on that.

Autopsies. You can't really go by the autopsy either, because again, the evidence disappeared. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: And they can fudge an autopsy. You know what, 

Cross Talk: yeah. 

John: Since we're already talking about that, my thing is why would they take [00:03:00] a sitting president to a local hospital? Just have a. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Just a local hospital and with the I know the Secret Service has advanced over the years and technology and everything is much, much better. But from day one when people were protecting and securing or just a security guard for anything, they watch over every single step that per that person takes.

From back when, again, from back, go back to when Kings and things like that. It wasn't easy to assassinate a king because he had the King's Guard. 

Lisa: That's right. And 

John: everywhere that King went, there was the King's Guard. And even with the food, they had people tasting their food. 

Lisa: Can I tell you something?

Just by what you just said? It just made me think about it. Like when they. [00:04:00] Recover kings and things like that from Egypt, and it's how they died is blunt force trauma. Yeah. I'm not laugh, I'm sorry that I said blunt force and laughed at the same time, but I di I don't know where that came from, but it's always an inside job.

John: It's 

Lisa: always, 

John: now what I think you're referring to is when these kings get killed, unlike King Tut, which was a younger king. Some of the older monarchy kings, we, they have people that in their family that's gonna come up behind them, 

Lisa: right? 

John: They don't wanna wait until that king dies, so they get a little older and then they send their men, or even a maiden or something like that.

To kill them. Because most of the time it's probably when they're sleeping Sure. In their chambers, agreed. They poison them or they, like they said, they'll sleep sleeping in the bed and somebody hits 'em over the head. [00:05:00] Because with the King's Guard, if they're there and if they're watching over the king, unless it's one of the king's guard that's involved with the whole conspiracy.

But what happens is just like you see murders and things now. People will come into your house and if it's not a break in, they say, oh, it must have been someone they knew. 

Because there's no evidence of a struggle. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: So the same thing then. If this kings were expecting a visitor, they wouldn't expect, their a lover nephew or niece or something.

Not even that, just a nephew, a niece, or somebody just going into the chamber. And just killing the king. And then you won't find out till the next day. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: Because they just leave.  

They don't really check in on them. It's okay check in the morning when they come, dress them, give them their food and stuff like that.

Lisa: But it's always an inside job, 

John: but it's always an inside job. Now that is a perfect kind of segue to what you're saying. [00:06:00] Always an inside job, right? JFK had a lot of enemies. 

Lisa: Yeah, 

John: and first and foremost, we'll go to that timeframe, not even jealousy. During that timeframe, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: JFK sent people over to try to assassinate Fidel Castro. 

So that's one enemy. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: Then his father was a bootlegger. 

Lisa: Yes. 

John: So allegedly. It was mob ties that got Kennedy elected. So the first thing GFK and Robert did, Kennedy did, they went after the mafia, 

Lisa: right? 

John: And the third is the government.

And this is a two-parter. The first one I'll talk about like the real politics behind everything, because Kennedy was about socioeconomic change. So when you change rich people's money, they don't like that. It's funny that the first thing that popped in [00:07:00] my into my head was Obamacare. He was into universal healthcare, 

Cross Talk: right? Another part 

John: of his politics was lowering taxes. For the middle class and the poor. 

Lisa: And 

John: having the rich pay more money. And again, there you go. You the rich people don't make their money. Sure. So all those tax loopholes could have gone away a long time ago. 

And he was an advocate of the Second Amendment rights, which are gun rights.

He was a NRA member. So now you have three different factions. Could be enemies to Kennedy because we watch politics today and I know you guys, if, even if you're in another country, everything is a competition, right? Between people. So there's always a fight. So if he's on one side of the battle, there's somebody on the O opposite side that's fighting him, 

Lisa: right?

John: So there you go. And again, we have in the United States, we have. [00:08:00] The Democrats and the Republicans. So that's our fight with our government. Sure. Those, they battle with each other. But when it comes to our, they're idiots. Sorry. When it comes to our government, we do have, here the CIA is a central intelligence agency.

They have all kinds of secrets and they do things for national security and everything. Now, they sent the mob over to ro. 

So they were using mafia people and mobsters back in the fifties for things that they didn't want to do or be off books. Back in the fifties and sixties there was a church bombing and a couple of little girls died.

So they sent the CIA down to investigate it because of the civil rights movement. They couldn't get any information from anybody, right? They investigated, talked to everybody in town, of course, the KU Klutz, Klan and all that. They sent [00:09:00] one mafia dude down there to investigate. This dude had the information. The very first day he was there, he talked to a couple of people in the town. And see who could have been involved in the whole situation. One of the guys owned a TV store, so he went to the TV store and said, Hey, I wanna buy a tv.

Bada being looked around, he buys a tv. He said, can you gimme a hand getting it out to my car? And guess what he did? What? He snatched the dude up and put him in his car. Oh. Took him to hotel and did what he did. Don't know what really happened, but now he's got all the names of the people that was involved.

Lisa: Nice. 

John: Got back in head, back home. 

Lisa: So you're gonna post this source where you got this information so people can do their 

John: Oh, I can find it. Research, because this was one on one of the documentaries I watched. Oh, nice. Okay. I can find that. [00:10:00] Because this was something about the. How the CIA was using mafia to do some of the dirty work?

Pretty 

Lisa: much. Sure. 

John: CIA did their own dirty work. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: Back in the day. But it's easier because if you go down there anywhere with a suit and tie, if you go down to the hood, how many people going to give you any information? 

Lisa: Zero. 

John: Hey, I'm looking for Ray Johnson. You know a Ray Johnson, right?

What they gonna say? Ray Johnson could be just walked around the corner. Everybody's gonna say, nah, I don't know any Ray Johnson. 

Lisa: I'd say, ask your mama. 

John: And that's what they probably do. 

Lisa: I wouldn't say that 

John: they probably give him F words and all kinds of stuff. Prob 

Lisa: more than likely. Yeah.

John: Not only that other assassinations that error with JFK is Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, those again. The CIA and FBI has files on everybody. And although [00:11:00] back then the technology was different and you could get close to people, but like with Malcolm X, a lot of those places that he went, it wasn't for white people.

He, they, they weren't allowed in these places. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: So how could a CIA and there weren't any black CIA agents? 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: So how could they, how could you get a CIA agent into someplace I. And get information about Malcolm X in the nation of Islam. 

You know what I mean? Yeah. So what had hap what was happening, they have these files and they just followed Malcolm X around and whomever it's, if it's not our government or with, at whichever organization that didn't want Malcolm X around, they gave the information to whomever.

Lisa: Sure. 

John: And they had people planted, probably paid people. 'cause [00:12:00] I watched another documentary on a black guy that, that the government paid to infiltrate these black organizations and get information or our government before I go on, I don't know how you come on TV and do a three hour interview and you're smiling about what you did.

Lisa: Oh, they were smiling people killed. 

John: Wow. It was one guy he was getting people killed, infiltrating these black organizations. But anyway, going back to Malcolm X, not to ramble on with our whole government thing and CIA conspiracies and allegedly being a part of these assassinations and stuff like that.

Now, when it comes to JFK, we have one killer, supposedly one killer, Lee Harvey Oswald watching a video. You see the car coming around. The car goes down the street and they said it slowed down to wave at the people, but there are people that was in on the [00:13:00] entire route. So at that certain point where he's the most vulnerable, there was a bridge.

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: On top of him where somebody could have been there. 

There was a fence where nobody could have seen behind that fence. And there was these buildings, this book. Depository up there and the exit routes for whoever did this was easy. 

Lisa: Easy. Yeah. 

John: Easy. I. Because it was at the end of the road.

Lisa: Think of the training by the way that they did after that. 

John: Oh yeah. It definitely changed the like how 

Lisa: extensive it was. Your, the gaps 

John: Yeah. Compared to now. Yeah. Soft spots or whatever. Secret Service is a lot different from now. Sure. It went through, changes over time, so it's just like anything gets better with time.

But one shooter, one shot. He was in the military, Lee Harvey Oswald. [00:14:00] 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: But from that, with one shot, and he wasn't even a sniper. 

And it wasn't even a sniper rifle. So you have to be a dead on shot to kill somebody at that distance. And not only that, 

Lisa: are you saying he was a horrible shot? 

John: No, I wouldn't say he was a horrible shot.

He may have been a marksman or something like that, but he was not a sniper. 

And snipers with a sniper rifle they're dead on. But to hit someone in the head, it's not that easy. 'cause when you hunt, you don't hunt animals by shooting them in the head. You hunt animals by shooting men in the body.

So if you shoot to that, 

Lisa: what about between the eyes? 

John: If you shoot at anything's head, you have to be spot on, right? You have to be a remarkable shooter. 

So he shot him with one bullet and did the job. [00:15:00] So that was from behind. Why did his head fly backwards? Did it fly backwards? His skull went on back of the car.

Remember when his wife leaned backwards and tried to put her hand back? 

Lisa: Yeah, I, yeah. 

John: If you get hit by in the neck, you could, you can jerk. But there was two shots and they said, oh, magic bullet, that it did this. No, he got hit twice. And the one bullet came from either a 45 degree angle.

Or straight shot. And hit him in his head to have his head launch backwards. They rush him off. They arrest Lee Harvey Oswald when they were taken. Lee Harvey Oswald, I know you guys may know the story. He gets shot by Jack Ruby, a small time affiliate of a mafia group. 

How do you get into this police station in the first place?

Walk down the stairs. I know they were bringing him [00:16:00] out. And then you have a gun Who sent you in the first place? I know he, he wasn't a lover of Kennedy, so why would you kill the person that just assassinated the president? 

Who sent you to do that? 

Lisa: Hired help. 

John: That's why I believe. Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy.

I agree. And that they got rid of him right away. 

Lisa: Are you worried about being on the list yourself now? They have a file on you for talking about it. 

John: No. How many people have talked about that? I'm 

Lisa: kidding. I they have files on everybody. I 

John: and I'm saying allegedly. 

Lisa: You did say allegedly.

And we're only going by documentaries. 

John: Yeah. Like I said, other people's research, we weren't there. Then when it comes down to the hardcore evidence of it, there is no hardcore evidence. I am. If anybody has that information, let me know. I know people dig deep into the files, but you could dig. But so far, because they were never released to [00:17:00] the public.

So how far can you go? How far can you dig? You can only go by speculations and you could talk to some of the people that were there and to see what happened. It's the whole Tupac murder, they had people that were witness to this, but they never took statements. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: People that were standing there when Kennedy was killed, they never took statements.

Lisa: They never took statements. 

John: Why? If you if one of our presidents today. Were to even be shot at or somebody pulled out a gun. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: How many people around that person would they grab Sure to see if they were involved in it? 

Lisa: Yeah, 

John: they would. So why no statements from these people? 

Lisa: Did they pay the people off you think?

Later because, no, I think they, people have big mouths. How are they gonna keep stuff undercover? 

John: They probably told somebody back in the day, social media was not in existence. No. Yeah. So if I told you, oh, I was there, they go, oh yeah, I saw that on the news. [00:18:00] They're gonna believe that newsman. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: So that we already saw it, we saw the video and this is how they described how it happened. 

But now you have people that went in, you have people that went in depth of how the angle and how he was shot and where the entry of the bullet and stuff like that. It does not match up to what was said by the Secret Service and the original, broadcast of the media. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: And one from Lee Harvey Oswald Shot, which 

Lisa: I not to jump off topic, I'm not gonna do that, but I do like that when they showed the film, you can dissect it yourself rather than now they'll try to put a story underneath of it.

So if you and I were walking down the street and somebody filmed it, somebody could put the narrative underneath and say, couple leaving massacre or something to that. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. And people would go, oh my gosh, I wonder what they were doing. They don't look like they were in distress.[00:19:00] 

Yeah, they're horrible people. We could be smiling, look at them, smiling and a massacre and they could put you anywhere. Instead of people saying, can I see the whole footage? Who shot it? Where did it come from? How did it get there? Who, what, when, why? Of everything. That's like the key thing of fact checking and people don't do that.

But I said that to say it's, we have dissected it, but I still, it's only what the media is letting us see. They know more. They know more of what's go. They had to have panned the entire area because that's what media does. 

John: Yes, too. Because when he was shot, just like with Martin Luther King, you had people pointing 

Lisa: right.

John: And they could have people there that saying it came from there. 

Lisa: Sure. The paid actors. 

John: Yeah. Could, it could be a, yeah. It could have been a secret service agent or somebody like that. Yeah. Somebody part of the government trying to redirect 

Lisa: everyone. Yeah. 

John: Go there. Look that way. It's 

Lisa: almost like when people used to stand in the middle of a city street, look up and look up.

And [00:20:00] then everybody starts looking out. It's, yeah. It's the same thing, redirecting people, because we fall for anything, don't we? 

John: Pretty much. 

Lisa: Here's the thing, if I see somebody looking up, I'm looking up too. I'm, I can't even lie about it. I'm not, I'll keep walking, but I'm gonna look up.

John: Yeah. And I think, they talked about, we've always been in odds with Russia. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: And he was a Lee Harvey Oswald was a perfect. Patsy Lee Harvey Oswald was a perfect Patsy. Patsy because he had some Russian ties. 

Lisa: He had a 

John: Russian wife. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: And so there you go.

Did he have 

Lisa: kids? 

John: I don't believe so. He was young, but I don't think he had kids. Okay. 'cause they never, I don't recall. But no, I don't think so. But he was a perfect person because he was a military person. He's had some training. He had some involvement with Russia, but they, they could say what they want.

If he was a part of Russian government, he [00:21:00] had a Russian wife or girlfriend or something like that. So that's, he's probably why I was there. 

Lisa: Just from Google, he has too, two girls. 

John: Yeah. 'cause I couldn't recall because they never hardly talk about his family. They talk mostly about him and why he would kill Kennedy. 

It's funny, it's just oh, I'm a I, I'll just do this. I hate him so much, I'm gonna go assassinate the president.  

There's people like John Hinkley that shot. Ronald Reagan, was mentally disturbed. But for what he did and how he did it. That's not a disturbed person.

That's something that was calculated. Sure. You don't get up in a, in a sniper position to shoot somebody. People that are psycho are the ones walking down the street with a gun and go, here he comes, pow. PP. 

Lisa: And 

John: start shooting. Yeah. And start shooting all over the place. But this is wasn't what what it was.

It looks like it was a calculated assassination either. Allegedly by Lee Harvey Oswald, which we'll never give that, get that evidence or we'll [00:22:00] never get a statement from him because, whatever they ask him, I'm not sure there's some statements there. But again, all the files are closed and they tried to open them.

They won't. Yeah, because the parties Aren dead and alive that may be involved in it, allegedly. And you won't get a statement from Jack Ruby. I. And who else? Even the people on the street. Some of the statements that they got. Did he get shot? Yeah, he got shot. Some of the other conspiracies, 'cause there's so many behind it with him getting killed is it was an accidental shooting by one of the CIAs, sorry, the secret service agents by a accidental discharge of his firearm.

Shooting him. So that's why they said some of the evidence, like the brain fragments the bullet casing and all that stuff disappeared because they didn't want to be embarrassed because they accidentally killed the president. 

Lisa: Two things. One is, the popular DJ that [00:23:00] interviews like mobsters and things like that, there's a guy, a former.

Mobster. I think he still is. 

John: Yeah. Yeah. No, he's not anymore. I know who you're talking about. 

Lisa: Yeah. I didn't see the interview, but now I'm curious to watch it and see what he has to say about it, because it was it looked like the interview was extensive and then I was thinking about Lee Harvey all's W's wife. She believes that it happened. She thinks that she 

John: That, that's the thing about him. They were either separated or being separated. They were, they had a a disgruntled, what do they call it when people separate or, 

Lisa: sure, but let me finish. So they 

John: had an estranged relationship. So you're saying 

Lisa: that her view could be jaded?

John: Yeah, it could be. Whereas 

Lisa: I. This is just what I'm thinking. I think she was made to be comfortable, her family to be comfortable because she wasn't an American citizen just [00:24:00] yet. 

John: No. 

Lisa: So I. How did she get to Sta? I know she remarried, right? She's, moved on. She's still in Texas. As far as I don't even know if she's living or not, but I wanna see documentary and I wanna look at her face.

John: I believe that the immigration laws weren't as tight back then. They weren't a sight. 

Lisa: However, I guess what I'm saying is that if she think about the investigation that they did on that lady after it happened. What I'm saying is this is my personal belief or opinion because I don't have facts.

They made her comfortable, her family and her homeland, very comfortable for her to shut up, 

John: Watching things on Lee Harvey oal and his wife again, they were estranged at that time, and I don't even think they were living together at that point. So what I speculate is when this happened, they rushed to, they went to her [00:25:00] house.

Lisa: Sure. 

John: They interviewed her and they told her what he did to shut the 

Lisa: F up. 

John: Told her what he did. She may not have had any information about it at all. And they implanted this in her brain. This is what your husband did. Badda, Bing, badda, boom. And you go, oh my God, my husband killed the president. So they made her believe this too.

Lisa: You think so? 

John: I think that's what happens. I don't 

Lisa: think so. And I say this because she wasn't her husband part of, they both were in some type of intelligence. 

John: See, that's again speculation. So how would we know if he, 

Lisa: okay. He 

John: was Russia. I'm going on speculation. He's, she's Russian. He was in Russia.

But we have people that are high in politics that's married to Russians. 

Lisa: Sure. No, I get it. So does that 

John: mean that they're spies for Russia? They go over there and get their women? 

Lisa: No, I [00:26:00] know, I know this firsthand. I know it. No, I'm talking about if they're working for the intelligence, 

John: it could be 

Lisa: then, and then she doesn't wanna go back 

John: and, and with, if we go down that vein, so it could be again, to make him a perfect patsy if he was a rushed and sympathizer.

Which I believe he was, if he was a Russian sympathizer, that is the perfect person to use as a patsy. Sure. Even if he didn't do it right. Because back then, again, we've been in the Cold War and stuff like that with Russia for a long time. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: So the government says, okay, we got this perfect dude that is a Russian sympathizer.

Lisa: And 

John: everybody in the country's gonna believe it because we all hate Russia. As Americans. That's what the thought is. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: So now that Americans don't like Russia and you have a Russian sympathizer that [00:27:00] assassinated the president, everybody's gonna fall on board. 

Lisa: Sure. Yeah. And 

John: believe that he did it 

Lisa: right.

John: These people that are in these places are pretty smart. And when it comes back to the, the mafia guy, he's, he has information and people like that really don't have any reason to lie about some of the things. You can go by with a grain of salt but he talked about, that the JFK thing may have been allegedly a mob head also, or a mob involvement hit, 

Lisa: right?

John: So that was an another thing. And they also talked about it could have been Castro sending someone over to assassinate him, or again, go back to number one. And the one thing I did, I left out when I said there was something else as far as the conspiracy, that our government, of course, wanted to get rid of the GFK because of his views, his social economic views back at that time.

Lisa: Yeah. [00:28:00] 

John: And the one big thing he wanted to partner with Russia in the space race. Of course, we don't want that. We gotta beat Russia. 

Lisa: Sure. 

John: So that was one thing, and he wanted to share information that we have about UFOs. 

Now UAPs, 

That's another conspiracy. 

Lisa: It's a lot. I feel like that the former wife has a lot to say.

I feel like in our wife, yes. And you haven't heard anything from the kid? I haven't read anything on the kids at all. 

John: Yeah. 'cause they were little then they probably don't, you don't think her 

Lisa: mama, their mama told them something? They 

John: know because Yeah, that's, yeah, that's her dad. So Sure. 

Lisa: They probably just wanna be over it and just live their lives.

I don't know where they are or anything. 'cause I haven't Googled them. I didn't even know he had kids. 'cause he was awfully young when he Yeah, 

John: He was a young guy. 

Lisa: Either she was part of it or she was framed. I don't think any, I don't You mean he was framed? He was. [00:29:00] She's, yeah. Like she's probably going.

My husband was framed. Look how young he was. We were targeted, but I couldn't speak on it 'cause 

John: they threatened my life. And again, I believe that. I believe that also is that she was told that her husband did this. Now you are already estranged from your wife. You have a bad relationship. Y'all fighting all the time.

Yeah. And if somebody came and said, oh look what he just did. Yeah. And you are gonna go, yeah, I know that some bitch did do that. 

Lisa: Yeah, 

John: so they disbelieve anything anybody else said, because in your mind you're already pissed off at him. He's already an asshole. Now. He probably did do this 'cause he's an asshole.

I. 

Lisa: Yeah I like not the tragedy behind it, but I do like the mystery trying to solve or puzzle back how things occur. That's, 

John: with all these conspiracies and stuff like that's behind it, it just clouds everything. Sure. It is better for the people that are hiding the information. Yeah. For, yeah, for sure.

'cause the more pieces that you add to the puzzle, the harder the [00:30:00] puzzle gets. 

Lisa: Yeah. Agreed. 

John: If we just had the evidence, the physical evidence of the brain, if we had the shell casing if we had the real autopsy, the real x-rays and things like that, all the evidence, and it would be easier to deduce everything and get a more accurate account.

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: And if it's people that are hiding this information, they're never gonna come out and say anything. 

You wouldn't be able to get like a true account of the real shooter at any point. I. 

Lisa: Let me just bring something back up that you mentioned earlier, and then I know you're gonna wrap soon.

You mentioned the Kennedy curse. Why don't you expand on that just briefly on 

John: Oh, wow. It's been a couple years ago, so it's been quite a few years ago since I read that. That book, but I think it had some, it's, it originated from Ireland, and I'll post the name of the book or a link to the book in the show notes.

It was something that the [00:31:00] family was doing in Ireland and they were cursed by whatever they did. 

Lisa: So it's followed every member. So it followed them 

John: as, followed every member of the Kennedy family all the way over to the United States into their personal lives. As well as their political lives and also with their business as well.

Because when they came over to this country, they didn't have money. The Kennedys, 

Lisa: yeah. They were poor. 

John: They were poor. So the way the Kennedys made their money was their father Joe was a bootlegger. Yeah. So he dealt with the mafia back in the twenties. Sure. And during prohibition, everything is more money.

Yeah. When you have to, when it's illegal that Kennedy's money is from bootlegging, 

Lisa: he literally got it out the mud. 

John: Yep. And even know that's 

Lisa: the saying when you get it from ground up. 

John: So back then, who was doing most of the bootlegging? 

Lisa: Yeah. 

Mobsters were, yeah. 

John: People were, had their own little stills in the mountains and stuff like that.

Sure. But they weren't moving it, selling it to the juke joints and these [00:32:00] clubs and things like that. They weren't doing it. 

Lisa: No. 

Yeah. 

John: But he was lucky enough to become president of the United States right afterwards. Guess who else gets killed? His brother Robert Kennedy, 

Lisa: brother. Yeah. 

John: And there's a lot of conspiracy behind that too.

A 

Lisa: lot. Yeah. 

John: That he, that Sirhan Handel one who actually killed him was brainwashed or under some type of hypnotic trance when he killed him. So he didn't remember the whole situation and he claims that he didn't even have the gun. 

Lisa: Oh gosh. 

John: They claimed, I, I've heard two different accounts of this, that someone else was standing there, I believe a female.

Is I heard male and female that shot Kennedy and made it look like it came from him. 

Lisa: I see. Maybe the newest, and [00:33:00] that's 

John: Robert Kennedy. 

Lisa: Sure. The newer generation will break the family curse and trauma. 

John: Look at JFK Jr. He died in a air airplane. I'm saying the newer ones.

Yeah. Airplane. Airplane crashed. There was one of the Kennedy's that accidentally killed somebody. I think it was Teddy Kennedy killed somebody at,  

At a party. And you had one that died hitting a tree. Skiing. Yeah. So it's a. 

Lisa: See, you're laughing too. We're it? 

John: No, it's not a laughter. Like we're laughing at them.

Laughing at them, but yeah look, what do you think? Is this a true curse Yeah. Of this family? 

And it's just, not to again, get off a topic again when it comes to mobsters with curses, they thought Bruce Lee was cursed because the way he died and then his son died. But people in Hong Kong didn't like him.

Sorry, not the people in Hong Kong. Let me back that up. You had mobsters. Yeah. That ran the film industry. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: Bruce Lee didn't follow their way, so he did his own [00:34:00] thing independently instead of shooting with the mobs organizations that they had businesses and things. So now you have people that didn't like not again, not people, sorry.

You had the, allegedly the mobsters that are in Hong Kong or that were in Hong Kong, didn't like Bruce Lee. And the speculation is that they assassinated him by poisoning him, and then they finished it off by killing his son on his, on the set, because you cannot get live bullets onto a set. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: But he got shot by a live bullet.

And also the same thing with Bruce Lee. He got shot, he was shot at and there was a live round. 

Lisa: You can bring it on there because the most recent news of what's his face that 

John: and yeah, and it's possible. Yeah. Alec Baldwin. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: But it is possible, but it's a huge mistake. And sometimes they said that they set these, they set the charges up in the weapon to go off.

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: That fragments of whatever they use can come out. 

Lisa: [00:35:00] Yeah, that's true. 

John: So I don't know. 

Lisa: It's interesting 

John: just with this brief discussion, not detailed evidence. Research based information you needed to talk 

Lisa: about it. 

John: Do you think that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole shooter and the sole person that organized No.

This whole thing? 

Lisa: No. Not at all. 

John: Nope. I will never believe it in my lifetime. We probably won't see any of that information get released. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: And if it is coming from our government, how much real information would they have put in those files? 

Lisa: True. 

John: And did someone speak on it? Shot or was a part of the whole?

Did they speak on it? 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: We'll never know. 

Lisa: You never know. 

John: And as time ticks on the people that are involved, they're probably all dead now. 

Lisa: Yeah. 

John: So we only have paper to go by. 

Lisa: We'll find out. Just keep on checking the website. Maybe the FB website updating. Yeah. [00:36:00] Maybe they'll update it. They'll say finally we can.

Talk about it. 

John: It'll be on the news like Kennedy file released. 

Lisa: Yeah. So we're waiting for a couple of people that have been 

John: now an audio book. 

Alright. Now do you have anything else that you can add to this topic? Nope. Neither do I. Thank you guys for listening to the show. If you do have more insight and do you, if you believe that Oswald was a single shooter, if you did not believe it, if you have any conspiracies or anything like that, you can always email us or you can drop us a line in Facebook or Instagram, however you wanna communicate with us.

Lisa: Tickety talk, 

John: anything that you'd like. If you have a story that you'd like to tell, you can always email us or you can be on the show to tell your own story. Until next time, guys, peace. 

Lisa: Bye 

John: love and hair grease

Lisa: Boo.