Have you ever gazed upon a field and wondered if the intricate patterns etched into crops were the work of pranksters, or perhaps something more otherworldly? This week, we raise our glasses with Karen Fitzhenry, a native of Lethbridge, Alberta, with a personal connection to the mysterious crop circles that have long captivated the imaginations of locals and conspiracy theorists alike. Together, we relive the golden era of these enigmatic formations, discussing the complex designs that baffled even the most skilled farmers and musing over the thrilling possibility that extraterrestrial life might have paid our planet a visit, especially in light of the CIA’s declassified files on unidentified aerial phenomena.
RumChata in hand, Karen shares spine-tingling stories from Canada, blending her own encounters with the unexplained and the historical intrigue of crop circles. We scrutinize the geometric precision that defies simple explanations and consider the bold claims of Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, the infamous duo who took credit for creating these meticulous patterns using rudimentary tools. And as we sip our Voodoo Ranger IPA, we can't help but ponder whether these formations might be a universal language, a message to time travelers, or evidence of a covert alien influence that has nudged our technology forward in leaps and bounds.
Wrapping up our session, we invite you, our listeners, to share your theories and experiences on our social media platforms. Are these crop circles coded communiques for beings outside our current understanding, or elaborate hoaxes that have stirred up more questions than answers? Let's continue this journey together, exploring the remaining riddles of these crop circles and the possibility of life beyond our blue planet. So, tune in, join the conversation, and who knows – you might just unfold a corner of the universe's greatest mysteries.
Have you ever gazed upon a field and wondered if the intricate patterns etched into crops were the work of pranksters, or perhaps something more otherworldly? This week, we raise our glasses with Karen Fitzhenry, a native of Lethbridge, Alberta, with a personal connection to the mysterious crop circles that have long captivated the imaginations of locals and conspiracy theorists alike. Together, we relive the golden era of these enigmatic formations, discussing the complex designs that baffled even the most skilled farmers and musing over the thrilling possibility that extraterrestrial life might have paid our planet a visit, especially in light of the CIA’s declassified files on unidentified aerial phenomena.
RumChata in hand, Karen shares spine-tingling stories from Canada, blending her own encounters with the unexplained and the historical intrigue of crop circles. We scrutinize the geometric precision that defies simple explanations and consider the bold claims of Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, the infamous duo who took credit for creating these meticulous patterns using rudimentary tools. And as we sip our Voodoo Ranger IPA, we can't help but ponder whether these formations might be a universal language, a message to time travelers, or evidence of a covert alien influence that has nudged our technology forward in leaps and bounds.
Wrapping up our session, we invite you, our listeners, to share your theories and experiences on our social media platforms. Are these crop circles coded communiques for beings outside our current understanding, or elaborate hoaxes that have stirred up more questions than answers? Let's continue this journey together, exploring the remaining riddles of these crop circles and the possibility of life beyond our blue planet. So, tune in, join the conversation, and who knows – you might just unfold a corner of the universe's greatest mysteries.
Welcome to Drunk Conspiracies and I'm Drunk Conspiracies.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to another episode of Drunk Conspiracies Podcast. Tonight's guest is Karen Fitzhenry. How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2:I'm doing wonderful. Thanks for having me. Thank you for having me, thank you for coming on so obviously it's a drinking podcast, so what do you have to drink tonight?
Speaker 1:I brought some rum chata tonight, couldn't find the tequila no rum chata is not bad. Are you mixing it with anything?
Speaker 2:Well, for my shots I just have the rum chata in there. Sometimes I'll put it in with my paralyzers, okay, Other than that it's vodka and Diet Coke.
Speaker 1:Not bad, not bad. Tonight I have Voodoo Ranger, a juicy IPA, so juicy haze IPA. So have you ever had the beer?
Speaker 2:No, I'm not much of a beer drinker. Okay, I'm kind of a pussy drinker in a sense, I like my sweet stuff.
Speaker 1:Right, I don't mind sweet stuff. This one's actually kind of sweet. It has tropical flavors to it, so it's not bad. I like it we just tried the new.
Speaker 2:What rock band came out with it? Motley Crue? No, of course, I can't think of it right now, but uh, yeah, the the metal band that came out with their own. Uh, beers for beers. Uh, they were not too bad.
Speaker 1:Can you?
Speaker 2:say that I'm not a big beer drinker. I there's some of them, I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 1:Right, I don't think I I'm not sure what it is, so, yeah, I'll definitely have to look for it. All right, well, my shot tonight is a shot of apple pie. Moonshine Yum, yeah, I like it. I'm from the south so you know moonshine down's a. It's a big staple in the south so all right. So, uh, ready to take our shots? All right. Cheers good as always. I don't know. I don't know if I've ever had rum shada, just straight just right it's.
Speaker 2:Uh well it sad because it's got that creamy film. I don't like creamy shots.
Speaker 1:I don't mind creamy shots. I've always mixed it. I like to mix it with apple pucker.
Speaker 2:Oh, that'd be different. I think they call it an apple jack.
Speaker 1:Super good, very dangerous.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:For some reason they just go back.
Speaker 2:Uh, pretty smooth yeah, and they come up nicer too. Yes, I love my starblast for that. If I'm gonna throw something up, I would rather it be that right, I don't blame you one bit.
Speaker 1:All right, so tonight's episode is on crop circles.
Speaker 2:Yes one of my favorites growing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can imagine you said you've experienced them, you've seen them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's kind of why it was. Something that interests me was because it actually happened in farms around where I lived.
Speaker 2:Oh really happened in farms around where I lived. Oh really, we saw, like I grew up in a little town outside of Lethbridge, alberta, here in Canada, and we had, I believe, five or six farms, if I remember, because I mean, this is back in like late 80s, mind you and then we had them pop up and everybody was just all all at Twitter, I guess, with it, you know, like they just couldn't believe that this would happen and how you know it came into being. All of a sudden they were there and then, you know, men not there, like it was just so unique you know right, I can imagine.
Speaker 1:Um, like I told you before, I've never seen a crop circle myself, just pictures and videos. I could only imagine just experiencing it and living in a town where they just started popping up like that. I can imagine how the fascination would just be crazy.
Speaker 2:We even had the farmers try to recreate them, because none of them were all the same. They were all different in patterns. We had a couple of the farmers try different farming equipment to try and figure out if it was man-made At least the ones in our area.
Speaker 2:No matter what they used, nothing was similar. It didn't even come close to how the crops laid or even the patterns in the ground. So it was kind of interesting to see. And still no. Even after, like you know, 30 some odd years, there was still no explanation. It just kind of fell by the wayside.
Speaker 1:I know we don't hear about it as much anymore right, yeah, that's crazy, um yeah I couldn't tell you the last time like a crop circle was like in the headlines I think the last one that we had out here in saskatchewan was back in 2001 okay, yeah, upon research for this.
Speaker 2:Uh, it's um, from what I read, like the late 80s, early 90s was like the peak of crop circles appearing and then, yeah, you really don't hear much about them anymore no, yeah, no, and we really have a lot of um, ufo sightings, you know, back then too, and that's something we don't really see a lot anymore, we don't hear a lot anymore right I don't know if the aliens just are not coming around anymore.
Speaker 1:They're kind of bored with us right, yeah, yeah, how you mentioned like we don't really hear about them anymore. I mean, uh, not too long ago the cia finally released documents. Well, they released those videos about, like the spacecrafts and like the uh, the um air force coming upon some, and I saw the videos they're. They're kind of crazy to watch, but I do know the. The cia finally released that information that they're not.
Speaker 2:They didn't necessarily say that they were aliens or spaceships, but they did release information about other crap, like spacecrafts in the air yeah so, without actually coming out and saying they were aliens, they put the information out there yeah, and I mean that they have to be testing, you know, some sort of equipment in order to be able to create that like it can't just manifest just out of the blue. It would be neat if it was actually aliens, because to think that we would be alone in this universe is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:Do you believe in aliens?
Speaker 2:I don't know if I necessarily believe in aliens, but I have a hard time believing that we're the only life in the universe, right? With all the planets and everything that we have, and even all the different, you know, universes that they've kind of brought in and you know, if you like, study they talk about it's hard to believe we're the only planet to have that. So I do, but I don't in the same sense.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I'm a, I'm in the same boat and that's always my. My go-to point is like how are we the only life form out there on all these planets we have? I honestly don't believe we're the only life form. If you want to call them aliens or just other life out there, I believe there's something.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, it's kind of egotistical of us to think that we're the only life.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So it's there. There's got to be something. And didn't they prove on Mars that there was some sort of life at some point?
Speaker 1:They did. Yeah, it was some concept of life that they proved or that like you could actually live there, because I know they've been talking about like moving people to the moon, or not the moon, but like mars and creating life form out there. So there is stuff on mars and that either has life form or it can contain life form yeah, well, and they did find evidence of water at some point, so it's it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is out there for sure. Uh, it'd be interesting to hear what other people have to think about that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Even to talk to other people to get their different thoughts and ideas on crop circles and alien life is interesting.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, it's definitely a fun topic to talk about. I never did too much research before, so I came across a couple theories with the crop circles and we'll get into those. But I like to do a little brief history on the subject. So do you know when the first crop circle came about?
Speaker 2:It was about the early 80s when they first brought it. I can't remember exactly where, but I do remember and again I'm kind of drawing back from childhood. I do remember that being a big thing, even on the news that all of a sudden these crop circles just started appearing all over the world.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, upon my research, a lot of them say, like the, uh, it's mostly in, like the english countryside where most of them appear, but there have been some that popped up in the united states, russia, um, other countries too, and from my research it actually I saw that, um, back in 1678. Uh was like people claim to be one of the first reports. But, like, upon researching and other people have researched this it actually came out that, uh, they don't. It was like I guess you could call it a crop circle, but it was manmade.
Speaker 1:There was a farmer in an English country I'm not sure which one, but he needed, he wanted his grass mowed and he was feuding with one of his workers about the fee that he was charging them to cut the grass. And so the farmer said he would rather have the devil himself cut the grass. And it actually came out to be termed called the mower's devil and I guess it was an actual like when you looked at it it was like a devil with horns and a tail and stuff like that. So it actually came out that they believe the farmer actually mowed it himself.
Speaker 2:So definitely back then it would be more of a religious aspect to it. Uh, because of of everybody's beliefs back then religion was very huge. Uh, in a sense it was. It was the power you know. So for them to come out and and have it, um, have more of that, like you said, devil feel, um would make total sense right, yeah, so some people claim that to be the first one, others don't.
Speaker 1:It's more of a uh fork fork tale folklore. I'm sorry not tale folklore story, so don't really believe that. But, like a lot of people in like the crop circle community, believe that the first one was actually in uh tule, australia yeah, yeah with the two farmers yeah, uh, he said eventually um claim hoax or find out that it was a hoax I believe. So, yeah, um, she kind of upsets me. I'd like to. For me, I'd like to think that, like there's someone something out there doing these crop circles instead of like human made.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, and even if they are human, made it's, there's still that concept of why and like. Why are they all different? Because, if you go through and you, like you said, you research the crop circles, you look at the different photos from each one. None of them are the same. They're all different, you know.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So if it's just, if it's manmade, then it're all different, you know, right, so, but if it's just, if it's man-made, then it would be. You know that would be one vehicle, in a sense, um, and you know you would think that there would be more than one that would be similar, um, but to have them all be different is that's the question, you know right, yeah, like with the one in Australia, like the farmer said he saw some light, like a beam of light, that, and he said he saw a flying saucer like leave, and so that's that's how that one came about.
Speaker 1:But, like you mentioned, I think that was actually debunked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did, they did eventually um figure out that it was a hoax. I believe that was back in 1976, yeah it In Australia when that happened, right, and just the whole fact too of them claiming to see a UFO compared to just a regular plane, the movements in those are so much different from what we've seen throughout the years of Area 51 and all the UFO sightings across the world, and they've been able to figure out why, like the difference between the military plane compared to the UFO in that concept, so to have a former or to have anybody say that they've seen a UFO, that then brings up a bunch of other questions, so like as far as movement, as far as light.
Speaker 2:You know how everything was all set up for it.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and before we really jump into the theories, did you read about the two gentlemen that came out in like 1991 who claimed that they were behind the crop circles?
Speaker 1:I haven't read that one yet yeah, so um, doug bauer and dave chorley, I believe, is how you pronounce his last name. Yeah, in 1991 they came out and, um, like they, they claimed themselves as pranksters it said in the articles I read and stuff like that. But but they claimed in 1978 is when they started making crop circles. So they took credit for like all the crop circles. But the way I see it is like how they appeared in different countries too and stuff like that, trees too and stuff like that. Like you're telling me, these two guys traveled all over the the world to man make these crops, not saying that they couldn't, because like they could be man-made, but like looking at different crops, circles and the details in them and the designs, I mean, and they're not small no, the crop circles are rather large yeah, and they claim to do it in like a night or two, in like the middle of the night, like, so like there's no people around, no evidence, but there's.
Speaker 1:I find it hard to fathom that two guys could do this in the dark, in the middle of the night, in a day or two, like, because of the size of them, the, the, the detail in them too, to do in the dark would be so hard of them of the art and it is.
Speaker 2:It's in, it's actually art, um, you know just the way that it's all done up, but anybody that's ever been on a farm or you know has been a farmer they know that they know their land Right and for them to go, you know, even a day without noticing somebody on their land is not something you would hear very often. You know, those farmers know their land pretty well and they spend a lot of time around it right so it's.
Speaker 2:It's hard to. It's hard to think that somebody could just show up on your land for a day or two and all of a sudden start cutting down your stocks and you don't have no idea you know, right, like I mentioned earlier, I'm from from, uh, the south, I'm from tennessee.
Speaker 1:A lot of farmland down there and I I find it hard that a farmer wouldn't realize it happening, even if it was in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and even having, like all the the animals, um, when they would have animals that would get sick, and just all of a sudden, fall over. The farmer notices that right away. You know it's. It's not something that's left out there for days you know, they get out there and for these crop circles again, like said, to just appear and have somebody be out there for two days to make them would be unheard of. It's hard to imagine that.
Speaker 1:It really is, like I said, not saying that it couldn't be man-made. It's kind of hard to fathom that these two guys were behind all the crop circles and stuff like that. Yeah, and with and from what I remember, like the, the stuff they used, like they would use like um, or how do they name it like a plank of wood. They use like a plank of wood and like a baseball cap of string and stuff like that, and I just in a day or two, with wire too, yeah but in a day or two, to do something that big and that detailed.
Speaker 2:I find it very hard to wrap my head around and you would have to create like, almost like uh didn't geometry sets. Remember when you had like the pencil, with the little thing that you would draw your circles with, so like, with using the plank and the cap and this and the rope? You know, it would be like creating that kind of idea in order to make them perfect Because, again, when you looked at the photos of the crop circles, they are pretty perfect as far as being around right not, uh, as like, geometrically, if I can speak today, I've not had enough shots.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, it would be difficult to not have that be as perfectly round as it was. Oh, don't bite me right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of the theories I touched on actually goes into like the geometric part of crop circles and like one in particular, two. So we'll we'll touch back on on that, but yeah, it's uh, it's very detailed and I don't know it's hard to believe two guys actually did that, yeah. But all right, so we'll jump into the theories. First theory I have I've actually never heard this theory before and it kind of interested me was some people believe that crop circles are codes for time travelers.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, yeah, and they kind of like like tied that in with stonehenge um, you know, because they and again we still don't know a lot about stonehenge, uh and so how it would correlate with, you know, those crop circles but uh, for them again to show up so quickly and then kind of disappear so quickly too.
Speaker 2:So, they had to have been speaking some sort of language to do that. So for that to be a time thing would be kind of interesting, Especially with how much we jump around, Like even watching. I watched some of the TV shows where they go into time jumps kind of give that idea to me anyhow.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, just like when I came across this theory and reading upon it, I found it very interesting. Me, I believe that we probably have the technology to time travel. To be honest, I fully believe that, because our technology that we have is like 20, 25 years in advance, if not more. The public just doesn't really know that yet. Um, so I I fully believe that we probably have the technology to time travel. And when you think about it, the crop circles being used as codes kind of makes sense, like like landing spots and stuff like that, and uh, I, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just I found it really interesting and I I could probably believe this theory yeah, that it's probably the easiest of of them, uh, to believe, because, again, it gives that whole meaning behind why they appeared. You know, because they knew they do need to have that way to speak. You know, just like with hieroglyphics, they had to like write down something somewhere.
Speaker 2:So we have to just figure out the same with that, you know, and if we could figure out exactly what those crop circles meant. As far as time travel, it would be really interesting to see where we could take it from there right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know a lot of um researchers in the field have been like testing the theories and doing their research and stuff like that. So I'm I'm interested into seeing what more research comes out of these crop circles being codes for time travelers, if, like, if these researchers can find more proof or just um more theories about why, why these would be coded for time travelers and and to land or go to wherever they're time traveling to.
Speaker 2:But I'm very interested in seeing more about the time traveler aspect of crop circles right, you know, and it's um, it would give it an interesting, uh, an interesting value to them, because if they're, if they're time traveling here and creating that circle, then where are they going to like? Are they just time traveling within earth, or are we also time traveling within other planets as well, or the universes?
Speaker 1:right so it does open up a very big you know hole for us that we don't have an explanation for right, yeah, like I mean, of course there's always a theory of why there's a crop circle and stuff like that, and most of the time people uh connect crop circles with aliens, like. But but looking at it as the aspect of time traveling, it's uh and like you said, like we really don't have a meaning for the crop circles, we like we still don't know why we're getting them. So like for the researchers to come out with more, more evidence and more theories and proof of why crop circles are related to time travel, I think will be will be very cool and interesting down the road.
Speaker 2:Very much so. The other thing that I found that was really interesting too was it seemed like, yeah, we had some crop circles that were reported earlier years, but it seemed to have the majority show up in the 80s. Uh, in early 90s right and then again just kind of fade off and disappear. So, um, my, my question is always why that like that era, why that decade did we have such an abundance of them and then now nothing right?
Speaker 1:yeah, because I believe in the 80s and 90s they hit like an all time peak of crop circles and being reported and pictures and video and then, as we go on through the years up until now, you don't really see them that often.
Speaker 2:No, no, and you would see groups of them, like now, if you do hear of of anything, it's like one or two, but back then it was like actual groups of them where you would see five to six or more all being reported within certain areas right, so very interesting none the least.
Speaker 1:On that theory, um, I kind of I kind of really like that theory of the time traveler and being coded. Um, yeah, I definitely like that one a lot actually. And, um, so my next one I have are crop circles being used as communication system from aliens or other species out of our galaxy. Right, you know, and to be honest, I mean, like, like I mentioned earlier, I feel like that's the one people most mostly lean towards is that it's aliens coming down, it's easier to explain it that way.
Speaker 2:You know it's a little easier to believe that another being came down with their spaceship and the spaceship is what caused it, because just the heat from the bottom of a ship would show exactly all the burn patterns and the weight to cause those crops to fall the way they did. And the weight to cause those crops to fall the way they did.
Speaker 1:Right, and there was one crop circle that I came across and they had researchers looking into it and I guess there was a mathematician who was looking at it and he said when you, when you break it down, the crop circle came out to, uh, to make pie like down to like 10 decibels. So he's like he said it, it, when you broke it down, it was the perfect, um, it added up perfectly to the pie system and uh, which I still don't understand, even with the university degree right?
Speaker 1:um, I do know a lot of people believe that like, uh, like, math is like the universal language. Yeah, you know. So me, I'm horrible at math, so I would never use math as a language. But I mean, advanced species probably would use math as a way to communicate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like when you think about it, everything that we do and I'm the same as you, I was always horrible at math I can add, subtract and that's about it. Multiply and divide, maybe, but the minute you start putting in numbers in there for me I'm done, um. But when we look at anything um, like, even in my, my everyday life, as in, like, I'm an esthetician okay that's why I do lashes and nails. I still have to have that math concept, you know.
Speaker 2:So I have to figure out my weights and and you know what lengths and stuff will work. So even in our day-to-day lives we do still need math. We still use it a lot more than we realize, even pouring our drinks tonight. You know I don't know about you if you had an answer to, but you know we still had like our math to figure out what's gonna work you know, the drinks.
Speaker 2:So to think that they, the crop circles themselves, would be in line with that again makes total sense, because it does run across it's. It's almost like the common language, right? We? We think you know english is our common language for our world. Math is kind of common language for you know all of our universes exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah and um, I wish I had the picture of the crop circle to show you and so I could break it down. But I'll try to break it down as much as I can. Um, so, like when they were breaking it down, the mathematician said you got to measure each arc in the crop circle Because it was like, looking at it, it almost looks like a spiral and like it would get bigger and smaller and bigger and smaller. And he said you have to measure the arcs in it. And he said you have to measure the arcs in it and as it breaks down and gets smaller, and then there in between them are little circles, like perfectly shaped circles, and he said those were used at, like the decimal points, because, like he said, it broke listening to them. Explain it like it makes sense, like, like I said, I don't really know the pie system, I I couldn't break down pie to save my life, but as he's explaining it and showing it, it it just makes sense. And, uh, I just I also find this theory probably credible as well.
Speaker 2:Like, between the two, I don't know which one I'd like to believe more, but like for now, though, there's more proof behind the communication system, it's a little easier to believe the communication because with time travel there's so much variances with it and so much um, so much things that we have to like, really put into our minds and you know we're going off of like movies, we've proven it through movies how difficult time travel really could be. And how badly.
Speaker 2:You can screw everything up right if you like, make one wrong move, move. So time travel does seem to be a little harder to comprehend. And to feel like that's, you know that would be the coolest one for sure. I would definitely love it if it was time travel, but to have it feel like an actual language. You know that that would make more sense and it would also make it feel a little bit more realistic as to why you know it showed up and then why it would go away again and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:And uh, in the video he was recording, one and then off to the side was like a little like a little flash of light, like a glowing beam. He said and you can actually see it in the video and they said it it just kind of like takes off on its own and he said it actually goes over a farmer who's on his tractor. And he interviewed the guy on the tractor and he's he was like, yeah, there was like a beam of light that just like kind of like flew over me.
Speaker 1:He's like I don't know what it was, I couldn't explain it so that kind of like feeds more into the theory of it being like an intelligent universe, like someone out there aliens, if you will, or whatnot. But it was kind of cool to watch because you can see the light and it just like slowly like takes off and then it picks up and then, like the farmer even said that yeah, he saw like a beam of light fly over him, just kind of take off.
Speaker 2:So it was kind of cool to watch yeah, we really, um, we had the one farmer in my hometown area and he, him and his wife, had actually been out on the farm. They were out checking the cattle late at night and same kind of thing. They, you know, realized that there was something kind of odd that they could kind of see in the distance and then all of a sudden it was just gone. It was just like a shot of light. And then later on that the next morning is when they went out and actually found the crop circles, and to have that be as close to my hometown, you know, as it was, was really scary to a point because, you know, I mean, we always just thought UFOs like down in the States or you know over in England, you know, because that's really where we heard a lot about it.
Speaker 2:But for that to actually happen, you know, just within miles of my hometown in Alberta. It was interesting, it was unique. It's kind of what caught me on the whole idea of it and just got my interest in it and then also scared the crap out of me at the same time. Right, and just got my interest in it and then also scared the crap out of me at the same time right now canada.
Speaker 2:You have quite a bit of like land up there, right farmland and stuff like that. We're mostly we're mostly farmers up here with um from bc. Uh, all the way through to manitoba is the majority of just farmland okay all of saskatchewan's so flat you can see your dog running away for days oh wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've only been to canada once I was like five or six and it was just over there. I'm in michigan, so it was just over the bridge over to like windsor, yeah, so so I've never really experienced canada and like the, the landscape and stuff like that, but from what I've like read and seen, like Canada has like a lot of parts of Canada, has a lot of farmland and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and mostly in our southern area too, because our northern areas tend to be more forested so and definitely like very beautiful up there because of the forestry area, but our southern land tends to be more with farms and that so are you in the southern part I am yeah I'm closer I'm actually just over top of north dakota okay, yeah, I didn't know, like if you were in the middle or over more towards washington state area. So yeah, I'm in the very plain province, very difficult to spell but very easy to draw gotcha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I could. I could easily see canada being um a hot spot for crop circles and just because of all the open land in your area and stuff like that yeah, it would give them a lot of places to land right, but, um, as far as theory goes, to be honest, those are the only two that I really came across. Um, there weren't that many because, like I mentioned earlier, a lot of people just associate crop circles with aliens, so there hasn't been a lot of like research more into different theories of them.
Speaker 2:Besides the time traveling and then the aliens, do you have any other theories that you know of, or on your own I know that they kind of uh, they talked a lot about the government, um, and usually you know, comes down to people right away going into the government and saying that they're working with um, different you know, flight flight simulators or planes, different armies and we do have a couple of army bases in Alberta and Saskatchewan that were kind of around where the crop circles came or were. So it would make sense that possibly the government may have been testing something and we just didn't know and they kept it hush-hush. Our government's not really very good at keeping things hush hush, so I don't, I don't know if that really kind of was.
Speaker 2:And there was never anything that was really said about it. It was just kind of automatically pushed off on. It was either a hoax or it was an alien. We were never really given much more conspiracy theories other than those two okay, yeah, with, like, the united states government.
Speaker 1:Um, they try to keep things hush, hush as well, but a lot of times it doesn't really work out. It gets leaked or known, but they basically always cover it up with oh, it was just a us military, like experiment they were. They don't give us any explanation behind it, but every time something weird comes out like that, they always cover it up with it.
Speaker 2:It was just a us military, something, something, something to do with our military yeah and I find it funny that, you know, when something's like you said, when something weird comes out and they just give like just this plain bland explanation, it's you know everything else you give me this big, this big explanation, this big elaborate explanation, but then something like that, it's just very bland. So that's, that's where it just lends me that whole idea that there has to be something more going on that they're not telling us and they're just trying to cover it up or they don't even know.
Speaker 2:And maybe our theories are correct. We were given a brain for a reason and we do like to use it on occasion.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I would like to know more about them and hopefully in the years to come that we get more explanations on crop circles. But, like you mentioned earlier, it's kind of like a dying down, like we don't see them, we don't hear about them. I couldn't tell you the last time I've read anything about a crop circle in recent years read anything about a crop circle in recent years?
Speaker 2:no one. Like I said, the last one that we've even heard about out here was back in 2001, so that's that's a lot of years to have all of a sudden nothing right so whatever was causing it. If it was a language, um, you know thing that they were using. If it was time travel, you know a thing that they were using. If it was time travel, you know a thing that they were using then why have they all of a sudden stopped?
Speaker 1:Right, like looking at the aspect of like the time travelers. Maybe back then that was the best that we had at the time to to for time travelers and maybe obviously, as the years go by, our technology advances and everything just advances. So I'm wondering if, like maybe in today's day and age, we have a better code for time travelers as opposed to the crop circles yeah, possibly, and because, I mean, everything seems to be getting smaller with our technology.
Speaker 2:so so it would make sense that whatever created you know, those circles, you know, possibly now is, is downsized and isn't as large anymore, and that's why we're not seeing as much. Or maybe it just the technology itself is completely changed and they don't need to have the extra added heat and weight extra added heat and weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, yeah, it's. Uh, it definitely really this.
Speaker 2:This topic really makes you think about stuff like because, like we said, we really have no explanation for crop circles like yeah, they could be alien time travel yeah, but, and if you go through like I, it's definitely inspired a lot of different you know writers to to bring it up in in different books and different movies.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, throughout um the time you know that all this is going on um, because I mean, you look at thor with the rainbow bridge, um, that, that marking that they made, that's almost exactly what some of the crop circles look like, you know, so that the writer, you know, got that interpretation and that idea from somewhere you know, um, so it has given us a lot of inspiration, it's given us a lot to think about and a lot to talk about, and it's something that I kind of like to keep, you know, keep considering, because there is more to it than what we're we've been able to find out.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I definitely hope, like researchers in the field are keeping pace with researching crop circles and, as we said, like they're dying down. We don't see them as often, but I'm hoping that there's still people out there trying to investigate while investigate why they were there in the first place. Right, because we really don't know. It's a huge mystery as to why props were here.
Speaker 2:It's an unsolved mystery, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I'd definitely like to know more, and you mentioned earlier like you've come across some. You've seen some yourself. Can you tell me about those experiences with them?
Speaker 2:The first one that I saw was it was again really weird because you would be going through the field. So my grandparents, they had a farm, we had a cattle farm and they wasn't their farm, it was their neighbors that had actually had one and they, when we were going and taking a look at it, we would just drive along with the tractor because that's how we always counted the cattle, just go, sit in the tractor or be on the back of the horse. But this time we happen to be just down riding along in the tractor and you're going along and you're seeing the crops, you know, just standing, not like normal, and then all of a sudden you just have this open field and the crops. You're just seeing them lie down. Now, with weather, you know, we see it a lot like with storms, when they come in the winds, especially when they get really, um, really bad, like apparently we're supposed to have really bad wind tomorrow.
Speaker 2:When they get really bad, the crops will fall over and bend and break. But even the breakage of the stalks weren't normal. They weren't what would have been caused by an animal or by wind. The stalk was just weird and I don't even know how to explain it. Even more than that, it didn't look like it was cut, it didn't look like it was snapped, it was just weird. Uh, and the way that they were laying. You know, again, when a wind comes by or an animal goes through, they break off into different areas. And these were all lying in the same direction, you know, and just kind of went around, you couldn't.
Speaker 2:We were able to see an aerial picture later on, but to just look at it on the flat ground it was weird. And the ground itself too. It was almost charred, you know like, not like burnt, but just kind of charred. So when you're looking at the dirt instead of normal you know clay kind of dirt, it was like almost like a blackish, you know soot kind of feel to it. And the scent too it wasn't again, it didn't smell like it was burnt, but it didn't smell like it was freshly cut either.
Speaker 1:Interesting, yeah, interesting. So when you looked at the aerial picture of it, was it just like a circle?
Speaker 2:or was there actually like a design in it? Well, there was. It was in a circle, but there was an actual design in the center of it. See like little geometrical shapes to it. Right, and I know, like I'm, I'm such a hand talker so I'm like drawing it out as we're talking.
Speaker 2:But it's just, it's a picture that I honestly could never get out of my head after seeing it, because it was, again, so, so unique, you know, and so perfect. You know, every aspect of it was perfect Again, even the cutting of the stocks, you, the way the stocks were laid, everything about it was so perfect, you know there was no, um, there was no like non-perfection to it, you know, in a sense, so it was.
Speaker 2:It was hard to believe that it was just something that somebody just kind of went and did on their own yeah, I, like I mentioned earlier, I'm not discrediting anybody.
Speaker 1:I know they can be man-made.
Speaker 2:I'm sure some have been man-made they have in the past actually had crop circle contests really yeah, and so they've actually had a prize. It was over in the, it was over in the UK and they had like a $3,000 prize for it.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was some businesses, some places where and I can't remember which Olympics. It is offhand, but they actually did crop circles to look like the Olympic rings and when they first, like when they appeared, everybody thought it was like an actual crop circle, but it wasn't. It was actually man-made for the olympics themselves, but they had passed it off in the media like it was a crop circle oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:I'll have to look into that and just see if I can bring up pictures of it. Um, do you know if it took them more than a day or two to do?
Speaker 2:uh, that I'm not sure. Um, because yeah, it was quite a few years right a few years since it was done I can only imagine it.
Speaker 1:It did take a more, even if you have a team of people, and I feel like it would take longer than a day or two. So, like with with the two guys we mentioned earlier, I I feel like uh and they were self-proclaimed pranksters, so like, I fully believe like they were just trying to wow people up I don't like in a day or two, in a night, I don't think they could make something that big, that accurate with such uh, because, like crop, when you look at crop circles, the designs in them are magnificent, like they're beautiful designs they're like artwork yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I just find it hard to believe that two guys could do that in a night or two. But I'm I'm kind of jealous of you that you've been able to see a crop circle, because I'm I'm a person who would love to experience that and I'm and I'm also a person who wants to see aliens. Like I would love to be driving one night and just see something and like, stop, a lot of people call me crazy for that. They're like why would you want to see that? I'm like, why wouldn't you want to see that?
Speaker 2:Right. To be able to have that opportunity to say like you know, all all this stuff that we've, you know we think about all the time to actually have come face to face with it and same thing I would love, I'd love to run into, I'd love to be honored to have the own alien come down and be like hey, karen, how are you doing.
Speaker 1:I, I, to be honest, I probably wouldn't even mind like being taken by aliens just just to see what, what what it's like I know it's probably crazy and like probably scary as hell, but like I mean, you hear about all these people who claim to be abducted by aliens and stuff like that I honestly think it's kind of cool. Um, I don't know, I, I don't know if it's just me just wanting to experience the different lifestyle of the advanced species that is out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, we see so much of all these gray blobs. You know, aliens, you know, like we've got ET, and then we've got, like you know, all these drawings with the big heads and everything. Is that really what they look like? Like this, that's the aspect that I want to see, you know, and I'm like I'm a huge trekkie, so you know, to have that big um, you know variation that they did with all the aliens they brought in.
Speaker 2:Like how many are humanoid? How many are are, you know, amalistic in nature? You know all of this, like there's so much to the alien races that we don't know If they are out there. You know why not. It'd be so great to see and be able to have that. You know that adventure.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I would love to see like what? Because, like you said, we have our portrayals of aliens and a lot of times they're like on small bodies but big heads and stuff like that. But like I don't necessarily believe that, because there are a lot of people out there who believe aliens are here on Earth and like walk among us and it's not like we're at the grocery store and see like a little person with like a big head, like an alien, so like if they are among us, walking the Earth with us, they got to be able to blend in, obviously, yeah, otherwise we'd see them, notice them right away, exactly.
Speaker 2:So like for me, I, I would just love to experience that like. That might even be like some of the reason why the crop circles have dissipated over the years is maybe they've um got enough people on enough of their own people on earth now to do the research that they're doing, that they don't need to bring it back. You know, in that sense, as big of a sense than that. So maybe that might be one of the reasons we don't see crop circles as often.
Speaker 1:It could be. I mean, if you think about it, it makes sense Because, like, obviously, technology over the years advances and I would probably believe that whatever species is out there, that they probably have a more advanced technology than we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and if you look, at how our technology has advanced from the 80s on how quickly?
Speaker 1:because in the 80s.
Speaker 2:We didn't have, you know.
Speaker 2:I think we were just getting the internet at that point we didn't we were just getting cell phones and to go in that short period of time, you know, in like what? 30, 40 years of time to where we are sitting right now in in our technology, that it would make a lot of sense if there's all these aliens here helping us do that. You know like maybe they are here helping us get our technology going so that we can advance to be able to come face to face with them right and, like I mentioned earlier, like the us government, they hide a lot of shit from us, like I mean, we they're kind of smart to do that in a sense because our herd mentality, once we get spooked is crazy.
Speaker 1:have aliens or an advanced species working inside our government or your government up in Canada to help them with the technology advances?
Speaker 2:you know, I don't think an alien would want to take over our government right now. No, definitely not. Didn't hear that from me.
Speaker 1:No, I definitely believe that. But um, well, yeah, I could. I mean with my open-mindedness of everything, because I like to keep an open mind on everything, because, like I said, I'm not like a crazy conspiracy nut. I don't just like hear one thing and be like, oh my god, that's it, and I always, I always do research and stuff like that and for my own opinion, but I could like say we do have an advanced species out there.
Speaker 1:I could see our government working with them, you know to, to advance the technology we have. Because, like you mentioned, our technology gets like stronger and better, like quickly, like it's not, like it takes years to advance something. I mean just like, like you mentioned, with the cell phones back in the 80s and then, as they started coming up because I remember the first cell phone I got, I had a nokia and like I played snake on it all the time and they weren't that advanced, but it wasn't many years later to where we had internet on our phone no, like we basically can, we can do anything on our cell phones now oh, yeah, well, and for us to go from, you know just the um, back in the day, the ICQ, you know when we that's what that was our chat.
Speaker 2:You know to go fromQ, you know when we? That's what that was our chat you know to go from that to you know. Now, I mean we can you know straight webcam off of our phones. Right, that's a huge jump, you know, in technology experience.
Speaker 1:And, like I mentioned earlier, I, I fully believe like our technology is like 20, 25 years plus in believe like our technology is like 20 25 years plus in in advance to what we know right now.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they have. And where we're sitting right now? Um, because we're sitting at what five? We're just getting into 5g right now, um, out in china, uh, they are already um testing at 8g you know, so in a couple years we'll get that and then they'll already have, you know, 20 G going like. So. Everything just keeps advancing so quickly. You know there's, there's a little bit more help I think that they're getting than we really realize.
Speaker 1:Not saying that we, like our species and stuff, couldn't come up with that technology in many years in advance, because obviously, with the people who are creating these technologies are probably some of the smartest people in the world, obviously. But to be that far in advanced in technology than what we have right now, but being that ahead, it's hard to believe that we don't have a smarter species or a more advanced species out there, because I fully believe we're not the only species out there. The galaxy itself is so big and a lot of it's still unexplored, like. I'm not sure about the mathematics behind it, but like, like, for instance, our oceans are only what like 90, 95 percent or not even 91 yeah, less yeah.
Speaker 2:So they're like five percent.
Speaker 1:Five percent Like there's still like 90 to 95 that hasn't been explored yet, so just, and that's just on Earth. So if you take an effect to the galaxy, how much of that isn't explored yet?
Speaker 2:Well, and they know that there's that we're just one universe, they know that there's another universe yet beyond us.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:In fact I think they're sitting. I think they've found three and don't quote me on that, but I think they have found like three different universes that they've been able to go through, like to see, but they haven't been able to get much farther than that so far. So that's a lot of planets, that that's a lot of that's a lot of planets and that's a lot of travel, um, that we haven't been able to really, you know, take a look and explore, you know.
Speaker 1:So there's still definitely a lot more out there than we, than we even could fathom right, yeah, I, I, I, 100 believe that there's more life form out there and I kind of believe that, like I definitely believe they're already here with us, you know. But like, as we were mentioning earlier, like what effect do they have on our technology right now?
Speaker 2:like I wouldn't find it hard to believe that that they're working alongside us in advancing our technology well, and even if they had, um, because I can remember again, uh, back in the late 80s, where they were talking about a ship, the spaceship that had crashed and that was the big whole area 51 thing that was going on, right even if that technology was there and they've spent, you know, all of these decades just working with that technology alone, um, to try and figure out how it works and what kind of different things that they could do with it.
Speaker 2:You know, to advance our technology would make make a lot of sense as well too. So right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, I've actually done an episode on aliens and uh, I want to do another one because there's so much you can explore with aliens. But like when, when you mentioned area 51, I don't believe that was alien related. I, uh, and like, like I said in my one of my episodes, I believe it was Russia actually, because there was a big with the USSR at the time. As the Russians were in America, we were at war with each other to get our technology out there first, get our technology out there first, and, um, I, I saw an interview on the joe rogan experience with the lady who who does the research and stuff like that, and she has, like inside sources saying like that, like when it it wasn't supposed to crash at roswell, I apparently was like a drone that the Russians sent over and it crashed and we took it to Area 51 and examined it and it turns out that they weren't aliens but they were humans that were physically altered to look like aliens.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely an interesting article and story to listen to. Yeah, it's, it's definitely an interesting article and story to listen to. But, um, yeah, as far as area 51, I don't think really and it have had anything to do with aliens itself, but I do believe they're out there and, um, I, I believe they're here and I honestly wouldn't find it hard to believe if they were behind, advancing like our technology yeah, well, like like fox molder said, the truth is out there it is.
Speaker 1:it is, and I would like to know that, I'd like to know more truths about crop circles. Yeah, because they're, they're very interesting and I I feel like it's, it's like a slept on conspiracy theory, because you don't, you don't, hear a lot of people talking about them. Not anymore, not anymore Back in the eighties, nineties. Yes, just because they were. They were around more, but, like, as they've died off over the years, I feel like other people have just like kind of like died off with the theories too.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah, and just like having that uh, that open communication, you know about it because, like everybody's all that, everybody's talking all about other ones, other conspiracies, um, because they have died down, so much so people have forgotten that these are part of our history and they, they were there and we still have no answers, so nobody's asking any questions anymore right?
Speaker 1:yeah, we really don't have any answers to them. Like we mentioned, a lot of people just associate crop circles with aliens, but not saying that they don't have anything to do with aliens.
Speaker 2:But there's so many possibilities to research them that can give us five or six different people to try to recreate it, and that's that's what was a really cool documentary to watch back then, even to see them try to recreate these crop circles. So if anybody's you know that's listening if they have an interest in that, definitely check out um from the discovery channel I may have to look into that because,
Speaker 1:I, I would like to watch that because I know personally myself I would never be able to do that. Like if you're, if you're gonna go out there and man, make a crop circle, I feel like like you have to be really good at math, you have to be like artsy because, like we said, they're beautiful designs, like they're outstanding, phenomenal designs me personally would never be able to do something like that, like I couldn't, like I couldn't even draw a perfect, beautiful, designed crop circle, let alone go out there with a plank of wood and string and whatnot and build one myself yeah, well, and even just to have the evidence of, of the stuff that they would use right because they would have to have that um and it would take months to draw out an idea.
Speaker 2:You know it's not like they would have to have that and it would take months to draw out an idea. It's not like they would just go out that night and go okay hey, well, let's go this way.
Speaker 2:This way, this way, they would actually have to draw out the diagram, they would have to lay it all out and figure out exactly what they wanted to do and know exactly how big and how long, and then they would have to set up lights, because you can't do that sort of thing in the dark you can't and our moon isn't always the brightest no so you can't always just see by that no, and then you have to take account too, like you know the animals of the land, because even though these are, you know, in the crops, you know we still have deer and elk and antelope.
Speaker 2:You know we have coyotes. You know we have like all of these animals that would also be affected by these people being out there as well, and would also affect how the crop circles would lay.
Speaker 1:And it still doesn't explain why they're so perfect right, I I feel like that's one of, like, the biggest questions surrounding crop circles is why they are so perfect. Yeah, and there's always, there's always um with the designs. Going back to the mathematical part of the designs, like a lot of them, like a lot of crop circles, have mathematic equations or whatnot in them. Like, if it's man-made, why go the route of mathematics? You know, like the one I mentioned earlier, that that represented pi perfectly like. Why, why pi like? Why would you take the time to break down, first of all, pie into a design and then put it out in an open field into a crop circle, just for, like, shits and giggles? You know, we really don't know and I want to know more. Like I hope researchers come out more with it and I hope, as we said, it's kind of like dying down, but I hope there's people out there who are still like behind the research and trying to figure out why they started appearing to begin with yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:and if it is, um, if it is a language you know, it'd be great to you know even get some linguists out there to try and figure out what the language is, what it's saying, or you know what it was trying to say. Right, trying to locate, you know the photos. They're still out there. People can still find the photos and see them. So, it's just a matter of you know. Let's just really open up those channels of communication and get that research going again.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, really open up those channels of communication and get those that research going again. Right, yeah, this was a fun episode. Like, like I said, I'd love to know more about crop circles and I wish we had more to talk about, like theory wise, but we really don't. And, um, I know we would if, like throughout the years, crop circles stayed like popular, if you will, yeah, as like they were in the 80s or 90s, but they're really like, like we mentioned, they're really not out there anymore and you don't really come across them anymore. So there's not, so no one's, actually putting theories behind crop circles. So very limited on the theory aspect of these crop circles, but nonetheless, it's like I don't know, for me it's very interesting, yeah, and I can imagine how interesting it is for you actually experiencing seeing a crop circle yeah, it was definitely very, very unique.
Speaker 2:It was a, it was a interesting experience was it big, like all the other ones it was huge, um, like I don't remember exactly what the size was, but in order to walk from one end to like go straight across, um took us a good 15 minutes really yeah, so like there's no way that it could have been man-made you know, because it was the diameter itself was just huge right, I'd like to, I'd like to believe, like a alien spaceship, like dropped down and you know, made that because, like you said, in the one you you witnessed, it was like charred in some places but but, like you said, wasn't really burnt yeah, like it wasn't.
Speaker 2:Like when you see a host fire, you know even if you see, like a crop fire, you know, when the farmers go out and burn their fields, and you, if you look at the land, um, how that fire has affected it, um, this was completely different. Like there's the coloring, the feel, the texture, everything was so completely different from from a normal fire, you know. So, whatever heat was used on there, whatever substance was used on there, we always assume heat but may not have even been heated, you know, could have been, you know some sort of other kind of substance, but it just changed the whole texture and for years after that it was really hard to even plant anything in that part of the ground. It really didn't grow very well. So it's taken quite a few years to get back to normal.
Speaker 1:Now was that area that was charred smoky at all.
Speaker 2:Not when we got there.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by the time like we saw it, or by the time I saw it, there wasn't any smoke or anything like that.
Speaker 1:But it didn't smell smoky.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Because even after something burns and, like the smoke goes away it was smoke for a while but eventually will go away, but you can still smell yeah, that that sense of that fire, that sense of the smoke is would still be linger, because it would still linger within the plants itself but, the scent.
Speaker 2:It was almost like not quite perfumey um. As far as like scent or sorry, sweet um, it was almost like a sticky kind of spicy kind of scent to it that just had a dirty undertone. You know, like it's, I can't. I've never smelled anything like that since right or before, so it was really hard to even kind of put it into an actual description you know right what it actually smelled like it's kind of hard to pinpoint it description you know as to what it actually smelled like.
Speaker 2:It's kind of hard to pinpoint it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, like I said, even even trying to describe like how the how the stocks were were bent or cut um, because they it wasn't either in a sense, like it wasn't. It wasn't like they were cut Like you would see with a machine, you know, when we harvest um, but they weren't bent over like you know, cut like you would see with a machine, you know, when we harvest um, but they weren't bent over like you know wind, the wind had bent them either. So it was just, it was just too weird you know, right, um, because there was no explanations.
Speaker 1:You know, we couldn't explain anything right, huh, that's, that's super interesting and, and, like I said, I'm I'm kind of jealous that you were able to experience that and because I would love to come across a crop circle and just like that, but like to actually experience it yourself and like get your own feel for it and your own instincts about it would just be mind-blowing yeah, well, and whenever you're talking about anything with paranormal related, it's so much of it is you know, you, you all, you want to see it, to believe it, because it's really about the only way you can you know right but you want to just believe it even without seeing it, because the possibility of it, you know, is just so interesting right man, that's.
Speaker 1:That's really cool. I I hope one day I could come across a crop circle. I'm sure there's some out there that have been kept that way for people to come visit. I may have to look into that. I may have to see if there's any out there that have been kept so people can actually come and visit in, you know, like a tourist attraction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be, um, I don't know if it'd be easy to keep them because they, you know. Again, you're dealing with um, you're dealing with actual plants, right?
Speaker 1:right, so that's yeah, because they would kind of grow.
Speaker 2:They grow back, you know and that's what kind of happened with, with the farm, you know, is the stuff eventually, did you know, grow back um? With all the planting and everything, but just that. Um, some of the other areas, like the swamp areas, that where they did have a couple, um, you know, like, how, again, like how, would those swamp areas retain, you know that, even long enough just to be able to view them? You know, it's always kind of interesting for me yeah they.
Speaker 1:I guess they would grow back eventually. Yeah so, but I don't know, maybe maybe one day in the future they'll start popping up again and they talked to us once before, so right I have faith that we'll get some speaking again right, yeah, I hope you know, I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't.
Speaker 1:You know, and you know, unless, like you said, they're, they're already here and they're, you know, just speaking to us in different ways right, like maybe our technology did advance enough for them to communicate in a different way because I'm obviously no expert or anything like that, but that kind that kind of is the only logical reasoning of why the crop circles would just start dying off yeah is that maybe our, our technology did advance enough for them to communicate in other ways.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. Still very cool, very fascinating topic, um, and like I mentioned earlier, I feel like it's a, it's a really slept on conspiracy, like because there's, like you said, like we have no, we have no real meaning behind them, but the meaning has to be out there, like we have.
Speaker 1:There has to be a way for us to find out why they started appearing, and maybe we already know and we're just not told. You know, and it's like, like I mentioned, the CIA finally released those, the videotapes of the aliens and spacecrafts, and but look how many years that took for them to release that information.
Speaker 2:So maybe in the near future files will finally come out about crop circles about crop circles yeah, I think if we start asking you know the right questions, you know they'll, they'll give us, or they'll feed us some answer at least, right, because because I I would love to know personally.
Speaker 1:Um yeah, super interesting. Um I, I really like this topic. I just wish there was more to go on.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, but there really isn't, and it kind of just comes down to what you believe and like your mindset on the topic. So usually at the end of the episode I like to get the opinions of the theories and what you, which one you mostly believe in and whatnot. So, breaking it down to time traveling or alien communication, which way do you lean?
Speaker 2:I kind of lean more towards the communication aspect of it. It Just from you know again, witnessing a lot of it throughout you know the 80s and the 90s, and seeing all the, all the news reels not on it. That's just how it seemed to me, just the way that they, the different circles, how they each had different intricacies and different like none of them were the same. So to me they each stood out like almost like a language. So I've always kind of felt that that was just a way of communication that they were doing yeah.
Speaker 1:As much as I would love to believe that it was more of a time-traveling aspect of it, I would have to say I lean probably more towards the communication, just because of the mathematics behind a lot of them. Like I know, some of them aren't mathematical and they're just beautiful designs, but a lot of them were broken down in a mathematical sense perfectly too. So I would probably have to say I lean more towards the communication aspect of crop circles as opposed to them being coded for time travelers.
Speaker 2:Yeah time travel is cool, but but communication, just it does, just makes more sense it really does.
Speaker 1:If you look at it logically, it just it makes so much more sense than the time traveling aspect. But yeah, that's a very interesting topic. Um, like I said, I'd love to know more about crop circles and hopefully in the future we get more answers to them.
Speaker 2:Eventually.
Speaker 1:Eventually. All right, Karen. Well, that will wrap up this episode. Thank you again for coming on.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Of course. Right and you said. You said hopefully soon you'll be coming out with your own podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping to. Right now, people can find me on Miko and you just look for Karen Fitzhenry, and also you can check me out on Facebook and Instagram.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And that's where I tend to do a lot of stuff. I do, I do all my, all my podcasts so far, right on there, until I get everything set up in my home here.
Speaker 1:Okay, what kind of podcasts are you leaning towards?
Speaker 2:Well, right now. So I have what's called the Paper Doll Initiative, which is a foundation that I've created to help provide a space for people like women and girls and basically anybody, to kind of have a sponsor that they could talk to. It's just like little ways of helping for self-love in a sense, especially nowadays with all of our mental awareness that we have. So, I will be doing a lot of casts on that and teaching workshops.
Speaker 1:Okay, do you have a link for that?
Speaker 2:Aesthetics with lashes and nails and what some tips they can do with that.
Speaker 1:Okay, very beauty related. Okay, well, if you have the link, uh send it to me and I'll put it in the description for the episode so people can uh go to it. And, um, do you have like a donation thing and stuff like that set up?
Speaker 2:um, I don't. I'm losing you there. Sorry, your phone's been back. You're good. Um, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't right now, but I will be in the future okay, well, uh, still send me the link, so, uh, if any of my listeners want to look into it and to help out, um, I'll put that in the description for the episode so people can uh check out your calls and everything like that sounds great all right and uh, this ispiracies.
Speaker 1:You can find us on Facebook Drunk Conspiracies Podcast Group. We're on Instagram as well Drunk Conspiracies Podcast. And TikTok as well. Drunk Conspiracies Podcast as well one of the cooler topics, just because I would like to know so much more about crop circles and where they came from while they're why they were here and many things like that. But all right, thanks again for coming on. Have a good night you too.