Could Marilyn Monroe's death be the ultimate unsolved Hollywood riddle? In an episode charged with tension and revelation, my wife Sabrina and I examine the perplexing circumstances of the silver screen siren's untimely demise. Was it a tragically self-inflicted end or a nefarious plot woven by the most powerful men of the era? We raise our glasses to the memory of an icon and sift through the complicated web of her life, her alleged affairs, and the enigmatic events that marked her final hours.
Join us as we take you beyond the glitz and glamour into Marilyn's world, a place where her relationships with the Kennedys, Frank Sinatra, and the Rat Pack are scrutinized under the unforgiving spotlight of public opinion. Sabrina brings her astute perspective to our lively debate, as we dissect the varying reports and the shadowy presence of unknown figures in the harrowing narrative of Marilyn's last days. We navigate the contrasting theories, from Bobby Kennedy's rumored involvement to the Mafia's potential motives, and ponder over the sensational yet compelling idea that Monroe's death was orchestrated by those she knew all too well.
As the conversation unfolds, we pay homage to the cultural impact of Monroe's legacy, reflecting on the gender double standards of her era and the power struggles that painted the backdrop of her story. We question the truths and half-truths that have fueled Monroe's mythos, inviting you, our listeners, to join us in this gripping exploration. So, pour yourself a drink, settle in, and prepare to be enthralled by the enduring mystery that is Marilyn Monroe.
Could Marilyn Monroe's death be the ultimate unsolved Hollywood riddle? In an episode charged with tension and revelation, my wife Sabrina and I examine the perplexing circumstances of the silver screen siren's untimely demise. Was it a tragically self-inflicted end or a nefarious plot woven by the most powerful men of the era? We raise our glasses to the memory of an icon and sift through the complicated web of her life, her alleged affairs, and the enigmatic events that marked her final hours.
Join us as we take you beyond the glitz and glamour into Marilyn's world, a place where her relationships with the Kennedys, Frank Sinatra, and the Rat Pack are scrutinized under the unforgiving spotlight of public opinion. Sabrina brings her astute perspective to our lively debate, as we dissect the varying reports and the shadowy presence of unknown figures in the harrowing narrative of Marilyn's last days. We navigate the contrasting theories, from Bobby Kennedy's rumored involvement to the Mafia's potential motives, and ponder over the sensational yet compelling idea that Monroe's death was orchestrated by those she knew all too well.
As the conversation unfolds, we pay homage to the cultural impact of Monroe's legacy, reflecting on the gender double standards of her era and the power struggles that painted the backdrop of her story. We question the truths and half-truths that have fueled Monroe's mythos, inviting you, our listeners, to join us in this gripping exploration. So, pour yourself a drink, settle in, and prepare to be enthralled by the enduring mystery that is Marilyn Monroe.
Welcome to Drunk Conspiracies. Welcome.
Speaker 2:Alright, so Welcome to Drunk Conspiracies. My special guest today is Sabrina Hello Tell us about yourself, about myself.
Speaker 3:My special guest today is Sabrina Hello.
Speaker 2:Tell us about yourself.
Speaker 3:About myself. I'm your wife.
Speaker 2:Beautiful wife who I love.
Speaker 3:Well, a wife nonetheless. And you know, just killing it, balling shot calling.
Speaker 2:Naturally, that is our son On the intro, you hear. So he was very excited To do that with me, yeah, so I'm glad I was able to Put him in To the Show somehow, and I think it worked out really well.
Speaker 3:I think it did. He really had a lot of fun with that. He did have a lot of fun and I love it worked out really well. I think it did. He really had a lot of fun with that he did have a lot of fun and I love it.
Speaker 2:So today's episode Is about Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3:Dun, dun dun.
Speaker 2:Did she commit suicide or was she murdered? That's a conspiracy.
Speaker 3:So yeah her being. That's a conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her being murdered is a conspiracy? I know the answer, Like I know what happened.
Speaker 3:Like factually, you were there Facts.
Speaker 2:Facts, straight facts.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of things that I feel like kind of agree with the rhetoric of like, oh, she overdosed or whatever, but at the same time we do have to think about, about like her connections, I think, like how, why this is so suspicious?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, all right. So before we get started, I like to go over what our guests are drinking. Of course. You know, get into it. So what are you drinking tonight?
Speaker 3:A combination of things, I would say yes, I guess, not really that proud of saying it, I'm drinking some Natty Daddy Got to get all up in with that. 8%.
Speaker 2:Those of you who don't know what Natty Daddy is, because there are people who don't.
Speaker 3:I didn't not before I moved here, Correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Natty daddy is natural light on steroids indeed basically oh yeah, eight percent, eight percent alcohol. So yeah, like whatever. So yeah, we both started out drinking natty daddies tonight, just to get us there. It was warming up.
Speaker 3:It was stretching.
Speaker 2:Yes, so what are you drinking now?
Speaker 3:I'm drinking a Bud Light, michelada.
Speaker 2:Which is disgusting by the way he doesn't like tomatoes.
Speaker 3:He has no opinion on this. I like it. A Michelada is like beer with some tomato juice Well, it's Clamato juice, or whatever. Put it with some salt tomato juice well, it's clamato juice, or whatever. Put up some salt, some lime delicious disgusting.
Speaker 2:This is my show beer I'm gonna sip on this.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna do that because it's starting to hit me and my show. Beer tonight is corona yes, cue the rona jokes right 2020, rona.
Speaker 2:But before every episode I like to take a shot of some type with my guest. So yes, you would like that so what shot are we taking tonight? This is the sour watermelon old smoky that we got in gatlinburg we did while we were there, where I'm from. Well, I'm from pigeon forge, gatlinburg, same difference it's like the same area, whatever yeah, I love it, you know, homegrown to me. So so sour watermelon.
Speaker 3:We're going to take the shot.
Speaker 2:We're going to take the shot Salud.
Speaker 3:Salud.
Speaker 2:It's good, I like it. You okay.
Speaker 3:It's fine. It kind of tastes like Jolly Ranchers. A little bit. It does no, indeed, it does All right, oh Jesus.
Speaker 2:So all right, let's get into it. Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3:We're going to get into this. Marilyn Monroe, born Norma Jean Mortensen, although she did occasionally go by Baker, which was her mom's maiden name. So she was born Norma Jean Mortensen, june 1st 1926, in Los Angeles, california, to a Gladys Pearl Baker. Now, she never knew who her dad was, as far as I'm concerned concerned. He was never in the picture. Whatever. Split was shitty, okay. Um, she did grow up in four foster homes and orphanages. Um, for I guess her entire childhood her mom was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and her friend mary was just like I'm gonna take over your family affairs, like, whatever, I'm gonna help you out and take care of your daughter, because she was considered a ward of the state. Now, when she went into the foster homes she was, I'm gonna say, heavily molested, actually just molested in general, like it's all heavy.
Speaker 2:Okay, what, what? Like when you said heavily molested.
Speaker 3:I just want to say like it was probably, like it was definitely more than once, but at the same time, like even one time is heavy, yeah, so like it's all heavy.
Speaker 2:So I'm not saying like One time is all it takes, like so freaking disgusting, I can't even so.
Speaker 3:That takes like so freaking disgusting I can't even um. So that happened with like the first family. She was with the atkinsons. She was with them for like 16 months or something and she was molested. Now she also did live with mary's family. Her name was grace goddard. She lived with them. Her husband, doc goddard, also molested marilyn monroe. Just fucking pieces of shit, um. But after a while. I mean she lived between friends and family from Grace or not Grace. What's her name? Grace the fuck do I have written here? No, I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah, it was Grace, I think I said Mary earlier. Anyway, um, she was with Grace and her family and friends.
Speaker 3:Well, she did eventually end up living with Grace's aunt, who was like really nice to her, good to her like, but her aunt, the aunt's like health began to fail so she had to go back with the Goddards and you know that was around middle school. She was still being molested, but then they were going to have to move to west virginia for a job opportunity for doc the molester and um, and she didn't want to go back into the system. Obviously she wanted to escape that kind of life, because who wouldn't in that situation and she ended up marrying her neighbor's son who was a 21-year-old factory worker. His name was James Daugherty. She was kind of bored in that marriage. She actually was one time quoted as saying she was dying of boredom. He did end up joining the Merchant Marines and she dropped out of high school and she was like I'm going to be a sample wife. This is awesome. Well, it wasn't awesome for her. So I guess he had like shipped off um to the pacific because all world war ii was breaking out.
Speaker 3:Um, that was around in like 1944. She got a job with them. It was called the radio plane company and it was a munitions factory. Um, but there's where she met David Conover and he was sent by the U S army Um, and it was like their air forces first motion picture unit and it was to shoot morale boosting photos of female workers in the factories being like we got your back and that was fine. But she was like, really, she really liked it. She was really good at it. Obviously she was gorgeous, more of a pinup style, but she really liked it. She was really good at it. Obviously she was gorgeous, more of a pin-up style, but her husband did not like it Either way. She was like fuck it, I'm moving on my own, I'm doing this Right. Right.
Speaker 3:She's going to go. He didn't want her to have a career. She was like I'm doing it, and she ended up with them, the blue book modeling agency in 1945. So now she occasionally went by. Everyone says norma, jean. But something I read got the name totally backwards and they were like it was jean norman and I was like that's not a hot name yeah, I don't think that that's not hot.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know why they did that.
Speaker 3:Anyway, norma jean, everyone knows knows that.
Speaker 2:Can I fun fact you real quick?
Speaker 3:Yes, I love fun facts.
Speaker 2:So her name, her birth name, was Norma Jean. Everyone knows the song by Elton John Candle in the Wind Right. You know the song.
Speaker 3:I do. We love Elton John. We love Elton John. We do love Elton John, we love him.
Speaker 2:So the song Candle in the Wind was written about Marilyn Monroe? Did you know that?
Speaker 3:What song did he write about Princess Diana?
Speaker 2:The song they used for Princess Diana was Candle in the Wind. After her death, that's the song they associated with Princess Diana, but it was written about Marilyn Monroe in 73, because the opening lyrics to the song says goodbye, norma Jean which is Marilyn's birth name, so.
Speaker 3:I feel like those are both conspiracy deaths yes, for sure, absolutely like.
Speaker 2:I mean, we can always get into Princess Diana at a later date. But the royal family had her killed.
Speaker 3:Everyone thinks that Facts Come on, come on.
Speaker 2:But anyways, the song Candle in the Wind was written for Marilyn Monroe. I hope so.
Speaker 3:It was. Her death was very sad. Her life was kind of sad. Yes, she was very tragic in herself. I feel like um, okay, getting back. So she signed with the Model Agency Blue Book, model Agency right 45. Um she actually divorced Doherty Doherty.
Speaker 3:Doherty, whatever in 1946, which I guess was good for her, because he was like don't do this, I don't approve, like fuck it, she's gonna do what she do. Um, she had a career. She was very self-conscious. Apparently. They say she was kind of bullied by a lot of directors, which I think women in the film industry are probably not really. I mean, they're still not really that respected by sexism, right and um. But I think at that time they really weren't. They were just there to be the beautiful woman, the one that catches the eye now.
Speaker 2:At this time had she already changed her appearance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, because she wasn't born blonde. No, she bleached that shit Right.
Speaker 2:Okay so.
Speaker 3:I didn't know at this point. Yeah, no, I think she had really curly brown hair and then she switched it. She was like I'm going to relax it out, I'm going to blonde it up, Like let's do it.
Speaker 2:It's more Hollywood style at that time.
Speaker 3:It really looked good on her, but the process could not have been healthy for her hair, just going to say that. So she was getting a lot of anxiety, actually with her work. I mean everything with the pulling from them and her self-consciousness and her past. It gave her a lot of anxiety. She had a lot of stage fright and she developed insomnia. But in 1952, she met Joe DiMaggio. They started a thing.
Speaker 2:I love DiMaggio. He played for the fucking Yankees, which I don't condone Because fuck the Yankees. I'm sorry, but my opinion in this situation well, not my opinion, everyone's opinion, because, it's well known, joe DiMaggio was the only one of her husbands who actually loved her for who she was. He wasn't seeking the money the he had.
Speaker 2:That like yes, he was. He is one of the hands-down. Greatest baseball players of all time is Joe DiMaggio. Everyone knows that he truly loved Marilyn Monroe for who she was, so the fact that their marriage only lasted what nine months yeah, not very long is to me sad because he loved her like. What else do you look for in a marriage like love?
Speaker 3:and here's to you, Joe DiMaggio Stop it.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I'm sorry that's my little rant on Joe, but Joe was a good dude even after her death. I'm sure he was fine Up until Joe DiMaggio's death. He went to her grave site, left flowers and even after the divorce they stayed good friends, that's good. She stayed good friends with his son too. Oh yeah, who, according to people, the night of her death she placed a phone call to. She talked to his son, joe DiMaggio Jr, I believe, the night of her death.
Speaker 3:That's so sad I can't even.
Speaker 2:But, good for you, dimaggio, love you.
Speaker 3:He does, he feels very strongly about this. I do?
Speaker 2:I don't know. He was the only one of her husbands who never took advantage of her, you know.
Speaker 3:Well, she didn't need to. Well, he didn't need to.
Speaker 2:Well, he didn't need, he didn't need no but, and it's sad that that relationship couldn't have worked, you know she wasn't feeling it.
Speaker 3:She was like I'm off my own, I'm doing my thing. There was a rumor, though, that I guess that she had an affair with somebody on the set of what movie was it? Somebody on the set of what movie was it? Blah, blah, blah. Where is it? Let's Make Love? But I don't know about that.
Speaker 2:She was just young, I mean she was young, she made her way around, so Meaning what. She got around Like I'm straightforward with it. It's rumored, rumored that she got around Like, I'm straightforward with it. It's rumored, rumored, that she got around Like, so like.
Speaker 3:And men don't get around no they do.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, like you're saying, it's rumored that she had an affair with a co-star. Oh yeah, all I'm saying it's very possible, it probably did yeah, so she was exercising her. Nothing against her, I'm just saying it's very possible that the affair with the co-star more than likely took place. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I just think it's funny that guys be like oh, a girl gets around when a guy doesn't, and they're like he's a playboy. I didn't say that. No, I'm just saying, that's how it sounds in the wording.
Speaker 2:That's not what I said. I know that's not what you mean. I'm just saying they don't say that. That's what I'm saying. If that's not what I said, I know guys do it too. Yes, 100% agree with you. I'm just saying, in this situation, it's well known that she did get around. So all I'm saying is it's more than likely she did have an affair with a co-star.
Speaker 3:More than likely. Yes, yes, that's all I'm saying. No, he does not.
Speaker 2:Don't try to make me sound like that kind of guy.
Speaker 3:He's not that kind of guy. I'm just going to say that, thank you he's very supportive yes um, so I guess in the mid-50s she, that's when she started the barbiturates barbiturate, that's how it's spelled and it's weird there's like a random r, because I know you want to say barbiturates, but they're barbiturates.
Speaker 3:I trust you well, I've checked the spelling of this multiple times and that's what it looks like, because I know you want to say barbiturates, but they're barbiturates, I trust you. Well, I've checked the spelling of this multiple times and that's what it looks like. Anyway, she started on that and if that means an alcohol, she had stress, anxiety, insomnia. It started right mid-50s. So she was like full-on addicted by 1956. She was like full-on addicted by 1956. Now in 1957 she was hospitalized for an overdose on provicilates and I mean it's gonna happen when you're full-on addicted. It's like happening. Now she had stage fright and stuff. So that caused her that. And the drugs I'm gonna assume caused her to be late and absent from sets, but apparently with like directors and when she felt like she was being bullied, she did it on purpose, to like prove a point to them. She's like, nah, I'm going to come up late like you're paying for me. I mean, do what you got to. Okay.
Speaker 3:And that was like on the set of the let's make love. I guess she had an affair. It's rumored it's a rumored affair. But I mean, if the guy was hot and she's got it, she was going to do it with Yves Montand, but she was married to Arthur Miller at the time. Now I did read something. Now I did read something and it said that Marilyn Monroe was actually monogamous and faithful through all of her marriages and relationships. I'm not trying to say that's true. I'm just saying like somebody had a very idealized version of who she was Possibly Can I chime in Of?
Speaker 3:course she was.
Speaker 2:possibly can I chime in, of course, I 100 000 believe that is a false statement.
Speaker 3:I agree like there's no, no, there's not from what we know about marilyn monroe.
Speaker 2:She did not stay faithful between every relationship she had no, it seemed like she got bored very easily hence why she has so many fucking marriages, in my opinion well, that I mean.
Speaker 3:I just want to cite. Like her childhood, there's got to be a lot of psychological reasons for the things she did.
Speaker 2:The trauma she went through growing up probably did a fucking number on her head.
Speaker 3:It probably did I get that. Yeah, of course I understand.
Speaker 2:But no, she was not faithful through 100% of her relationships and marriages no way, not.
Speaker 3:No. Um, I'm going on to talk about like some of her like career here and what she's doing and I guess I just want to like lay down a foundation of like her addiction and like the trauma that she's had in life that's caused that much addiction. Right, well, I mean just the extent of it, because I guess arthur miller wrote the misfits but her health was failing, she had some gallstone pains and she was suffering from severe drug addiction. Now, um, there were some things where they said, like during that movie, like her makeup had to be applied while she was still passed out from the drugs I mean, you don't want somebody wobbling over when you're doing their makeup so they had to do it while she was laying down, passed out, whatever.
Speaker 3:But during that movie in August, production had to be halted because she had to detox for a week, to detox for a week. But I know, after that movie and actually that movie did very poorly, I think um, she had a what they would call a mexican divorce from arthur miller. Now, all that was is that during the time you could actually get a divorce through mexico and it was faster. Um, as far as I know, they don't do that anymore, because now you can only really get divorced like in the states, the states makes sense so you really can't do that anymore.
Speaker 3:But the time she did she was like boom ended and they did. Now, in 1961, she was still suffering from some health issues. Her gallbladder was like being a bitch and she spent four weeks hospitalized because of depression, which I don't blame her. I mean, like I said, she was very tragic life and god it was just I can't even um. So she had divorce and she was done blah, blah, blah. It was during this time and honestly okay, I'm gonna say this I honestly want to try to incorporate where she met the Kennedys during this time, but I have not been able to find where she met Bobby Kennedy or when she met him.
Speaker 3:Justin might know, because honestly we took separate notes on everything and we actually don't know what each other actually took notes on and we never went over it. We just kind of did our own thing when we looked into this and we never looked into our own separate books.
Speaker 2:It'd make for a better show.
Speaker 3:I guess it would, because he's going to have some stuff to say about this. He is, which is good, and I guess I'm glad we didn't look into it, although I feel like he's got like puzzle pieces that I'm missing, but we're just gonna let him, yes, fill that in whenever. Now, all I know is that at some time, she really did rekindle a friendship with joe dimaggio like he was her bro they.
Speaker 2:They stayed with friends after the divorce yes, which is so good, so important love you, dimaggio oh my god, he's gonna go jack off to DiMaggio later. No, because he was a Yankee.
Speaker 3:But it's rumored that she dated Frank Sinatra very briefly, who was friends with DiMaggio and that's who she met him through.
Speaker 2:It's also rumored that not only did she date Frank Sinatra, but she was passed around throughout the Rat Pack, rat pack, like they all had their turn with her so they had their turn with her, or did she choose to sleep with these men? They had their turn with her, I believe so she didn't choose it more than I mean. Come on, she may have made her own choices, she may have.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's I just it's out there. They passed her around. It's like she had no control over it. They passed her around like did they or didn't they what happened?
Speaker 2:when I did my research that's the way it was put is that she was passed around throughout just like the kennedys?
Speaker 3:no, I don't think that was passed around.
Speaker 2:Like trust me, like she was kind of passed around through the kennedys.
Speaker 3:We'll get to that she might have made her decision like, oh, like, jfk is one thing, but like one night stand, which also is rumored that her relationship with jfk was technically only a one-night stand, um, but that with bobby, then it might have been more.
Speaker 2:It was more with both of them and we'll get to that. I'll fact you on that.
Speaker 3:You're going to fact me on that yes. Either way, let's just say like I'm just going to say it like if she's going to sleep with who she's going to sleep with, like I'm not going to say that anybody had any control over who she decided to sleep with.
Speaker 2:It was just rumored at a party that she was passed around throughout the Rat Pack.
Speaker 3:Like a train.
Speaker 2:Probably.
Speaker 3:They drove a train on the same night.
Speaker 2:It didn't naturally say like a train, but it just said she was passed around.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's what it said.
Speaker 3:She seems like she puts her foot down when she wants, like. If she's like no, I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker 2:I think she's like no, I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm just I don't know. I'm gonna go off on a weird feminist rant but I'm not going to. I want to, but I won't. Um, so let's go into this now. I've already mentioned jfk and that people were saying that it was a night stand, a one night stand. Now, the only reason I'm saying this is because all the stuff that I've come up with and justin may have actually gone over this more. He may have looked more into it, but, um, I I wasn't. Maybe I should have on my lunch breaks, but I work full time. Okay, like I can, I kind of do this and he's full-time too he works full-time too?
Speaker 3:yes, but like since covid and shit happened, like he laid off.
Speaker 2:At the moment he's furloughed so you're not laid off.
Speaker 3:He's furloughed, he's still getting paid, he's just not at work um but I take care of our son.
Speaker 2:He does so he's at home all day.
Speaker 3:That's a full-time job, ladies.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 3:And now he knows.
Speaker 2:But I love it.
Speaker 3:I knew that before. I know he's such a good stay-at-home dad, though I am.
Speaker 2:I'm the best Ladies get yourself a stay-at-home dad.
Speaker 3:They even fucking cook for you sometimes. It's awesome. Actually he does all the time. He's a better cook.
Speaker 2:I make some bomb ass dinners yeah.
Speaker 3:If you want your fish like burned, I will cook it for you. But if you want your fish like perfect, he'll cook it.
Speaker 2:I got you.
Speaker 3:He does no, so JFK, the one I'd stay in. I did read something that said that they only had three chances to encounter each other throughout like their time in like public eye. Now, who knows what people do in their public eye?
Speaker 3:Probably in the 50s and 60s it's a lot easier to do stuff not in the public eye, because everything's not as accessible. You know, you got twitter. You don't have like a phone, like a camera in your pocket at every moment, like I get that. But three instances that are him being the president, though he's really got to report where he is. The three instances that they could have met each other was in April 1957, the first one Now. They attended the April and Paris Ball at the Waldorf Astoria, which is in New York.
Speaker 3:New York yeah, apparently they never met there and they were both with their spouses Arthur Miller and Jackie well. Jackie Kennedy at the time, 1961, it's rumored they were both attending a dinner party at peter lawford's home.
Speaker 2:now lawford was bobby kennedy's brother-in-law and jfk's, and jfk's yes, jfk's brother-in-law well, bobby and jfk are brothers, so yes, I mean an in-law of sorts. I never understood how that worked lawford, was married to jfk and bobby kennedy's younger sister so just like an in-law you know what I'm like, brother-in-law I'm too confused brother-in-law, in-law, whatever, yes they were lawford and the kennedy brothers were brother-in-laws no, I know, I think where I just came confused is like obviously Lawford was.
Speaker 3:You know, bobby Kennedy was married to his sister, so that's his brother-in-law. But JFK is like, yeah, that's my brother-in-law, bobby.
Speaker 2:Kennedy was not married to his sister, wife Cousin. No nothing who Lawford was married to Bobby Kennedy and JFK's younger sister. I thought he, I thought it was his sister. No, lawford was married to a Kennedy. That's how they were related.
Speaker 3:That makes sense. Yes, okay, their younger sister married Lawford.
Speaker 2:Okay, janet, what's her name? Janice?
Speaker 3:Patricia, something, janice, something. Okay, yeah, let Janet. What's her name? Janice? Patricia, something, janice, something? Okay, yeah, let's just go with that. But they actually never confirmed if Marilyn was there. They said JFK was, but she wasn't. Well, they don't know. If she was, you would think at a small dinner party people would know. And then, march 24th 1962, both were said to be at Bean Crosby's, palm Springs, 1962. Both were said to be at Bing Crosby's, paw Springs, california, but apparently it's rumored where they met and actually where they probably banged it out for the first time.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 3:Hey y'all everybody knows that we're late drinking so I gotta pee. But Justin's gonna explain this to you. Hold on, I have notes. Justin just explain it. I gotta pee, Dropped.
Speaker 2:So I don't know what notes she has. I dropped it so I don't know what note she has here. But yes, it's rumored that they more than likely met at Bing Crosby's party and it's rumored to believe that is where they first met, hooked up, got together, whatnot. My personal opinion is that's the first time they met. I don't think they met back in April at the Paris Ball in New York. They were both with their significant others, so don't think that's where they met. Then, like we said, the party at Peter Lawford's house. Jfk was there, we know that. We don't know if Marilyn was there.
Speaker 3:She could have been.
Speaker 2:Like that could have been their first meeting and then later at Bing Crosby's party. Could have been when they actually got together, so they could have met at the dinner party at lawford's house, then bing crosby's when they hooked up. But either way, I believe that they hooked up at Bing Crosby's dinner party. I'm back, she's back.
Speaker 3:Y'all when he says like drunk history, just remember that when you're drunk you gotta pee.
Speaker 2:You do.
Speaker 3:You do. That's what happened.
Speaker 2:I peed before the show, so I did, though that's the thing you gotta get that bladder checked it's just like a I've had a child.
Speaker 3:Okay, expect me to hold my pee.
Speaker 3:If I sneeze too hard, I pee myself, come on I don't that's not very sexy, but I'm just gonna say that's a real thing but I love you, my wife, everybody yay um so he went over the thing but that's rumored where they actually met for the first time and where they probably hooked up because they guessed that she had called him a suce friend of hers and was just like yo, tell me how to do those back rubs. But then, like kennedy was in the back, like yeah, I'm gonna talk to him, my back hurts, please rub me down.
Speaker 2:Well, we all know, kennedy was a playboy, jfk oh absolutely Sorry, I'm drinking. Yeah, we know that Marilyn wasn't his only affair to Jackie, which is fucked up Because in my opinion, jackie, she was a bomb-ass wife.
Speaker 3:No yeah, I absolutely agree with that. Maybe she didn't want to do weird shit in bed. Maybe he's like, yes, let's try something other than missionary.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but for him to step out on Jackie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you gotta be something like.
Speaker 2:My opinion, Jackie was a ride-or-die wife. And she did even with the affairs, Even after she knew about the affair with Monroe. I don't know about the other girls More than likely she knew?
Speaker 3:No, she did. She even made a quote saying like I know there were others.
Speaker 2:Well, I read that Jackie even reached out to Monroe and sent her a letter saying she knew and if she wanted her husband, she could have him. I did read that somewhere, don't know how true it is. Okay, well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3:I also read that whatever affair they had, it wasn't as hyped up as everybody was just like, yeah, it's sexy to probably be like, oh, they had a very long affair.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was very long. Everyone says it wasn't long, less than a year.
Speaker 3:I read that it was just like not even, it was like a one-time thing and that she wasn't even that interested in him. She was like yeah, it was a thing. A fuck the dude like whatever thing, a fuck the dude.
Speaker 2:Like whatever I, I did my research and I saw that, yes, they met on four occasions, but only slept together on one of them what were the four occasions? Can you go? I don't, I don't know all four occasions no, he doesn't okay but I also read that j JFK would slip her. Drugs no. Like American Secrets, and that's how she came about her little red book, the Red Diary.
Speaker 3:The Red Diary yes, that's also a thing. Yes, it's a thing that they said she did.
Speaker 2:That JFK would whisper her things during pillow talk. So when I hear that I think there's more than one occasion that they slept together During pillow talk, that would make you think yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Also what kind of pillow talk is that?
Speaker 2:Like you're just like it's after the sex. And you're just like it's after the sex and you're just like, oh, we're laying here feeling all sexy. And then he's like guess what? Fuck yeah, not gonna bomb cuba. And it's like what fuck? Yeah, you were the president of the united states. You're sleeping with a girl after you, banger, do your business. You're gonna be like yo, I know some shit I don't want to know those things yes, you do everyone does I would want to know.
Speaker 3:Not after we just had sex. It's like why are you telling me this Now? I'm like what I had to turn state's witness. Like, if something happens? Like am I going to end up Murdered in my bed Naked, clutching a phone, like Marilyn did? I don't want that info, man.
Speaker 2:That wasn't JFK's fault though.
Speaker 3:No, everyone says it was Bobby's. It was Bobby's Jumping ahead. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm sorry we're jumping ahead, but yeah, honestly, probably Bobby.
Speaker 2:But, I suspect, bobby. So anyways, back to the subject. I believe it was more than one time, I do. I believe they had an affair more than once.
Speaker 3:Honestly I guess, yeah, if I was JFK and I was already cheating on my wife a bunch of times, I'd be like, why not do it with somebody as hot as Marilyn? I got no morals about cheating. I'm gonna do it with Marilyn, I'd do it.
Speaker 2:You say that like Jackie was a bad looking chick. She wasn't. She wasn't.
Speaker 3:But, like, if he's already having affairs, why not do it with somebody who looks like Marilyn? I guess, I mean come on I get what? You're saying he's already doing it Up the ante.
Speaker 2:Don't just do it with a weird barmaid who's just got a truckload Because it was rumored that he had an affair with another chick. I can't remember her name, but Marilyn was pissed off about it.
Speaker 3:Rightfully so.
Speaker 2:Well, not rightfully so, because he was fucking having an affair with her.
Speaker 3:It's not like marilyn was his wife or anything oh, marilyn, well, no, yeah, no, I would be upset too, jfk was sleeping with marilyn rowe and another girl yeah, I'd be upset too, like are you kidding me? This is what you do, I'm just for fun like marilyn was upset about it, yeah like why are you fucking other hoes?
Speaker 2:anyways, do you like, do you have more with the jfk? And?
Speaker 3:honestly like that's where it stopped.
Speaker 2:I think like I was like do you know when the affair stopped between them?
Speaker 3:I thought it was like right after his birthday, because he invited her apparently to his birthday while they were at to do the infamous birthday song oh, the infamous birthday song which he after their affair. He invited her to sing him happy birthday rubbing mud in his wife's face like, just like fucking, apparently she didn't attend. I didn't actually realize that she like, yeah, apparently everything it says like jackie didn't attend I did not know that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's what I saw is that she didn't attend and she was really mad about it and she, she blamed bobby and was like he's the one who did this, he's the one who brought her but yes, so she no.
Speaker 2:Jfk invited marilyn monroe to sing the song for him. Anyone who's seen the fucking video of it? It is very. What's the word I'm looking for, like? Risque yeah, sure, sure wait. There's obviously sexual tension between them two from how she's saying happy birthday honestly she has like sexual tension with anybody she comes across with.
Speaker 3:She was like walking sex. She got sewed into that dress. It was so fucking tight like they just like sewed her into it and he was like flesh colored and like fucking like covered in diamond or like sequins, whatever. She was like shining and like I mean she was rocking the dress. Yes, I mean, I mean he was probably there and he did say complimentary things about it. He called it the most wholesome song and I think he was being sarcastic, obviously.
Speaker 2:He was because that was not wholesome. That is when he decided to end things with. Her is after that performance.
Speaker 3:It was, that's. What I heard is that he was like whoa, that's a lot. Now, that same night was the only night that her jfk and bobby kennedy were photographed together.
Speaker 3:Yes, but why he's like turning away from the cameras talking to her, like I guess he wants some privacy, like obviously, but he's just like I'm gonna turn my back to the camera and like talk to her. Like that just seems like he's like I don't know, it was just weird. Like, if it's like nothing, like just talk to somebody, normal, why are you like I don't want somebody to see my face while I'm talking to her because I can't concentrate on her eyes when I'm looking at her titties, naturally?
Speaker 2:But so after that performance, jfk was like I gotta quit this. People are talking, but you know how you said, you weren't sure how her.
Speaker 3:Marilyn Monroe and Bobby Kennedy met yes.
Speaker 2:Q and Bobby Kennedy met. Yes, q and Bobby Kennedy that's when they met. She died like like four or five months later yes, JFK sent Bobby Kennedy to end things with Monroe. When he did that, they hit it off. End things with Monroe when he did that. They hit it off Cue in Bobby Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe's affair Because his birthday was what? May? Yeah, she had it in.
Speaker 3:August. So it was like a summer long affair that she would have had with Bobby. I don't know how far I'm it in August, so it was like a summer long affair that she would have had with Bobby.
Speaker 2:I don't know how far I'm jumping in here, do? You know, about the abortion.
Speaker 3:Apparently she did.
Speaker 2:It's a rumor, in July of 62. She had a supposedly abortion and it's rumored to be Bobby Kennedy's, because at that point her affair with JFK already ended.
Speaker 3:So I would have ended it too. Have you seen, bobby? Yeah. I feel like he was a little hotter than JFK. I do appreciate JFK and everything that he was and looks like or whatever, minus the affairs. I mean that was pretty harsh, but Bobby, pretty good looking dude.
Speaker 2:No, JFK all the way.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:No, we disagree about who was hotter.
Speaker 2:It's JFK. He had the power, he had the looks. Jfk got done with Monroe so he passed her to his brother, the hotter one. Tomato tomato. I don't know the hotter one. Tomato tomato, I don't know.
Speaker 3:It was, oh my God, like, honestly, I've always thought that Like, yeah, you know, jfk is a president. He did so much for civil rights and all these things. That was great. And obviously maybe he had some strife in his marital problems, but at the same time, like, come on, bobby, you were hot. But I did hear that bobby was a very quiet, shy kid when he was younger and his mom was afraid that he would grow up quote unquote a sissy now he was a sissy.
Speaker 3:Well, that's kind of rude to say about someone's child, like he's gonna be a sissy, like I mean he was a sissy though rude. Maybe he was just like a nice, quiet, shy boy who just wanted to be in a nice, quiet, shy life. Okay, maybe that's all he wanted, um, but then though he got older, he became aggressive and then apparently had an explosive temper and all these things, which is why there are rumors about her death and then her visiting. Even neighbors have said they saw him visiting with Secret Service.
Speaker 2:Yes, that evening I knew about the visitation that evening, but not with the Secret Service, with Pierre Lawford.
Speaker 3:They don't know if it was Secret Service. They say it was just two men dressed in black that went with him. But obviously why would he go anywhere without a Secret Service?
Speaker 2:Bobby? Yeah, because Bobby didn't have Secret Service.
Speaker 3:He was Attorney General, why wouldn't he? If he's going out in the public somewhere, he did not have Secret Service being the. General.
Speaker 2:Attorney.
Speaker 3:So were they like.
Speaker 2:The only person with him that night was Peter Lawford.
Speaker 3:I heard it was like two random men. Well, I mean people wouldn't know.
Speaker 2:I've read, you didn't oh? My God, I looked into this. Oh, fuck, and I saw nothing about two secret servicemen being with them.
Speaker 3:People just said they were secret service.
Speaker 2:No, Everything I read was Bobby Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, peter Lawford.
Speaker 3:Well, apparently Peter Lawford was rumored to have been there, or have been, because they were saying that Peter Lawford was probably his way out of Los Angeles at the time that they chartered a private plane. After everything happened like the gruesome, and then that's how he got out was they chartered a private plane through?
Speaker 2:Peter Lawford, because Bobby Kennedy was in San Francisco that day, I believe.
Speaker 3:Was he? Because apparently the White House had no idea where he was that day.
Speaker 2:Naturally no, bobby Kennedy was in. San. Francisco, San Diego. He was somewhere in California that day.
Speaker 3:He was around.
Speaker 2:He flew into LA Burbank where she lived. Her house was in Burbank, which is she lived in Brentwood. Brentwood, Not Burbank, my bad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she lived in Brentwood.
Speaker 2:So, but he flew in like later, but he was in California the day yeah, no, that's what I heard too.
Speaker 3:Is that like he was there and people saw him? Even a neighbor was just like, yeah, but I'm not saying it was Secret Service. I'm just saying that people have said that they saw him going into the house with two men dressed in black or whatever. And I'm just saying like, I mean, they may not have been Secret Service, but if you see Bobby Kennedy walking into a house with two men dressed in black, you're going to assume, okay, well, the Attorney General is walking of the US, is walking into a house, marilyn Monroe's. It must be secret service, but it could have been anybody. I mean, it could have been like, I don't know, like assassins there's a lot that goes on with that. There really is, um, but it really could have been anybody at the time.
Speaker 3:I don't know I don't think he had secret service men no, I'm just saying that's what they described him as being because of how they were dressed not necessarily that they were.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, but it was just like a neighbor even said that. Like yeah, that's who it was, but they did identify him. Um, it's very hard so, whether or not she had a very long affair with kennedy or not, like it wasn't long, that wasn't like I don't think that was the catalyst that broke the back. Now, as far as her death goes, let's just get to that, because it was only like they said that was in what? When was that that she's saying that to him May? When is his birthday?
Speaker 2:May.
Speaker 3:May. Right, let's just say so. That was that, and she died in August. Now, in that time period, things have had to happen. Now some of the theories Let me just go into this around her death yes, so her death happens.
Speaker 3:It was August 5th 4thth, 4th they found her on the 5th they found her on the 5th, but apparently it was between the 4th and the 5th, very late at night, that she had to have died. Um, now, here's the thing. It's, it's a lot. Now there is a rumor that like, yeah, bobby Kennedy went and he showed up and the maid said even in one theory that they said the maid and her son were there and they were sent to. No, no, no no.
Speaker 3:I did read something about her son being there. I read nothing about the son.
Speaker 2:It was the maid and her doctor or her psychiatrist who she also had an affair with.
Speaker 3:Who wouldn't? But no, I did read something about, like the maid son was with her and they had to go and stay at a neighbor's house because bobby kennedy came in with some guys and they were just like looking to get some room, some space, we got a doctor, and so obviously they did so they went to a neighbor's house. Now there was a report of the maid saying that they went and then went to a neighbor's house. Um, after this all happened, but when they came back, whatever, they went to bed. But when the maid okay, so official story, let's not even get into that. What happened? Straightforward details. I feel like what the maid is like, whatever.
Speaker 3:So the maid was there and went to bed, whatever. Well, I don't know if she lived there, but she woke up, she was there. It was around 3 am in the morning. She noticed that Marilyn's lights and stuff were still on her room. So she went to go and check on her and was just like yo, what's up? Like knock, knock, knock, like are you okay? Why are you up? It's like 3 in the morning, which is weird question to ask an insomniac, I feel, because they'd probably be up. But she was still like what's up, why are you up? This is out of the ordinary. And uh, she didn't hear anything. She didn't hear anything. She was just like, okay, well, um, gonna call the police. Like I'm gonna try to get into the room. She can't get in the room, the door is locked no response. She knows she's in there. She's been in there all night, whatever. Whatever Calls, I think, her doctor or psychiatrist or someone to even come over and be like help us get into this room Now.
Speaker 3:I guess the psychiatrist doctor, whatever, came over and was just like, okay, he couldn't get anything out of her, couldn't hear anything. So he broke into the window of her bedroom, which is like I'm going to get in here, like we got to see what's going on. Oh, my God, sorry, my cat like sneezed or hissed at something, what the Anyway? So he did that, he went in, but when he made it in he broke the window of the room, got in. Apparently he just found her as she was laying naked, butt, ass naked, in her bed, face down and, they say, with a phone clutch in her hand yes that she died.
Speaker 3:Oh well, that's how they found her and they called an ambulance to let him. You know, open the door so the may call an ambulance, like whatever. Now there's various reports. People are saying that she was died upon. She was dead upon being found, but people are saying that she might've been in a coma. She was unconscious, very faint pulse, whatever. Either way, they called an ambulance and you know they came there. They're like nah, she's dead, we got to go. Uh well, they didn't leave her. Obviously they were like we got to get her out, like she's dead, she's gone.
Speaker 3:Now the reports during the night kind of vary, because the maid has been said and multiple reports, even from neighbors, have said Bobby Kennedy was seen at the house earlier in the evening, like he came the night before. So like chances are she had probably been dead a longer amount of time, because if he was there but he was gone by the time anybody found her. So I mean, but he was there and he wanted to talk to her and people have said that he was with two men or a man or a couple men or whatever in black and they wanted to talk to her. And this is just from what people are saying is that they were having an argument. The maid even heard the argument but then she had to leave the house. Um, for the short they said, hey, leave the house for a little bit, we gotta talk to her.
Speaker 3:Um, but they had an argument and because of explosive temper, they're thinking that something might have happened. He might have killed her or maybe he didn't want anything to get out and she died because they, you know, murder. Um, everyone's saying that maybe she could have been suffocated, strangulated or whatever. Or there's like so many things that could have happened in this time frame and all the different rumors that are coming in, but for that one there's like an argument and then, apparently, like, when the maid and stuff was coming, they were like well, when they realized that people were coming, they were going to leave and they try to leave out the back of the white house, and then peter lawford probably helped them get out of the the city estate, whatever. Um, there are other rumors that it was that men were there, unidentifiable men who were dressed fancy or whatever black suits, suits, whatever Came and saw her and that murdered her. Now, she was on the phone, but she had talked to some family members that night.
Speaker 3:Or friends and everything.
Speaker 2:And Joe DiMaggio's son and Joe.
Speaker 3:DiMaggio's son, and she had said like, oh, say goodbye to so-and-so for me and tell them I say goodbye, and goodbye to you too.
Speaker 3:Probably just some just believe that was to peter lawford yeah, but peter lawford was also said to be at the home, but they're saying that he she called him in another rumor that she had called him and that he wasn't there and was just like. You know, say goodbye to your wife for me and, you know, say goodbye to yourself too, because you're just fabulous, like whatever. Either way, the way she was found looked like a drug overdose. Now, when they you know, and say goodbye to yourself too, because you're just fabulous, like whatever. Either way, the way she was found looked like a drug overdose. Now, when they did the let's just go back to that when they did the autopsy after they found her, she was dead. She was dead. And they're saying they think it was a barbiturate overdose and all this stuff they said she could have. She had to have taken over 40 pills of stuff or whatever.
Speaker 3:A combination of things. But here's the thing is the autopsy, or the doctor who did it, said they found no traces or capsules of any of the pills in her stomach. Now, obviously nothing was going to happen all at once, like you don't take pills and they they don't dissolve, like right away, like snip, snap, be in your stomach, like it's a very slow process and by what everything breaks down it's very different. Um, but because of that people are. I did read some stuff that said like he was strangling her. He was like beating her or something. She had no marks on her face but she did have defensive wounds she did have defensive wounds.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, she did. I'm going to let Justin talk about that actually, because defensive wounds is more something he looked into. I did not, obviously.
Speaker 2:Also the whole thing that saying she overdosed on the pills, they found no drinking water. Overdose on the pills they found no drinking water. They found nothing for her to drink in her room or her bathroom. So how would she have taken all these pills with nothing to drink?
Speaker 3:well, I can take pills dry.
Speaker 2:I actually don't need any of that, okay, but also, I also read that the room she was found in wasn't her room. It was a guest room, had no lock on the door and the glass that they found broken from the supposed doctor breaking into the room the glass was on the outside. Oh. I did read that.
Speaker 3:Oh my.
Speaker 2:Because the doctor and the housekeeper, Eunice Murray, their stories started to not add up.
Speaker 3:Strange.
Speaker 2:Like with the broken glass on the outside, and then her saying, oh, the door's locked, I couldn't get in, but there was supposedly no lock on the outside. And then her saying, oh, the door is locked, I couldn't get in, but there was supposedly no lock on the door I never heard about a guest room.
Speaker 3:It was a guest room. Oh my, that's what I read.
Speaker 2:So, but I also don't know where to jump in in your story we'll jump in now, because like I'm getting like all mixed up because there's so many theories about what happened that? Night about like the mob coming in and then like I there was, like I will tell you everything about the mob.
Speaker 3:I will tell you that we're gonna get all into that. Let's do the mob, let's do bobby first. Well, okay.
Speaker 2:So with bobby, it's rumored that he showed up that night, was talking with her and everything with Peter Lawford. They left but showed back up later that night. A neighbor said that there was an ambulance that showed up as the residence at 10pm, so 10 o'clock that night. So one conspiracy and rumor that I read is that the ambulance showed up after bobby was there at 10 pm, took marilyn away, like the housekeeper found them, took Marilyn but she was still alive from the overdose. Kennedy had the ambulance turn around and drive her back to her house and that is when Bobby and Peter Lawford showed up again and then she died so but there it.
Speaker 2:It is rumored, and a witness said that there was an ambulance there at 10 o'clock at night the day she died, well before any other time frame of story. It's also rumored to believe that I read that Eunice Murray, her housekeeper, actually first found her at 12, 1230, like midnight, but she retracted that statement and said no, she actually found her at 330 in the morning when she walked out and saw the light under the door.
Speaker 2:Hmm and saw the light under the door. Hmm, so Eunice Murray is, I believe, on record saying she found her at midnight 1230, then recanted that statement and said she found her at 330. And it wasn't at 1230. Hmm. That's kind of a big time frame. Oh, very big it's like three hours for her to mess up.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, who was coaching her?
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's just from what I read and whatnot.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. I mean, there's different conspiracy stories.
Speaker 2:There is I have a few other ones too. There's others.
Speaker 3:There's one. Let's touch on the mob one.
Speaker 2:You want to touch up on the mob.
Speaker 3:We're going to touch up on the mob, okay. We're going to do this. So the mob okay, we're gonna do this. So the mob? They're saying that my boss um sam giacana, giacana giacana, he was god, okay.
Speaker 3:So let's just say this the mob did not like bobby kennedy and they were why well, they were supposedly teamed up with the teamsters, like jimmy hoffa and them, and they had, you know, very. They had ties to the mob or rumor ties to the mob, let's just say, nobody knows for sure and that everyone was very mad at him. They didn't want that to go.
Speaker 2:They didn't like him and go ahead sam giacano was pretty much number one on Bobby Kennedy's hit list. To end, in the mafia. Bobby Kennedy strongly and heavily went after the mafia, especially in Chicago. Yeah in chicago. Yeah, and sam j cana was at the top of the list of the people bobby kennedy was trying to bring down when I'm gone so so that was a thing.
Speaker 3:Now I remembered how she died according to the like the mob theories um, something similar, maybe not bobby kennedy, but they were saying that like men showed up to talk to her, whatever. I don't know what they wanted to chit chat about, but it's kind of late um, a lot of stuff. But what I do know about that theory is that they probably went in because they were trying to go after her and trying to dangle, like her affair and all that stuff getting out to get at Bobby Kennedy. Now there's a lot to go into that as well, as well as Bobby's reaction.
Speaker 3:That they say is why she all why maybe he also tried to kill her was to get rid of the mobs holding over him. Like, hey, if I kill her first, like y'all can't even hold it over me anymore. But basically what they're saying is like, okay, this is what I heard on how they killed her, what they were gonna, like strangle her, whatever. But and here's the thing about that is because they found no pills or capsules, whatever in her stomach, that how they murdered her was obviously strong-arming her she wasn't a very big woman at all but that they gave her a perpetuate enema, whereas, like you know, I don't know if they like.
Speaker 2:Do you know how they gave it to her?
Speaker 3:well, enemas up the ass yes and then there's like a what do you? Do you like? Grind up the pills, you're gonna put them in the water for the enema them and they're just going to pump it up, the ass. Okay, just let me know, because I was trying to think about that. I was like how do?
Speaker 2:they Can I give the back story of the mafia on her killing.
Speaker 3:Let's let him do the mafia part, because, god, I'm tired of hearing myself talk.
Speaker 2:All right. So the conspiracy of the mafia killing her is she had connections to Sam Giacana. She was friends with Giacana through Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:So once Bobby ended things with Marilyn Monroe, she wanted to get back in good terms with Giacana. Giacana saw it as hey, we can use Monroe to get to Kennedy. So Giacana came up with the plan that, hey, we'll get Monroe to get Bobby to come over there that night and apologize to her for breaking up with her and whatnot and have, like her, commit suicide after he left, basically to kind of like embarrass Bobby and kind of ruin his reputation as attorney general. You know, like he had an affair with this girl she died that night. Like she, he was trying to ruin his career because he was coming after him.
Speaker 2:So Giacana had Marilyn Monroe call Bobby, which she couldn't get a hold of him. And then another friend tried to get a hold of him. No one could get a hold of Bobby. He wasn't answering his phone or whatever. He finally did for one of their friends and Marilyn said that she had a sex tape of Bobby Kennedy and her and she was going to go public with it unless he came over and talked to her and apologized for ending things Because she wanted to be with Bobby. She wanted Bobby to leave his wife ethel, ethel, whatever, and be with her, but he wouldn't. So she threatened him with this sex tape that she didn't actually have if someone had it.
Speaker 3:I heard there was bugs. We're going to talk about that later.
Speaker 2:Oh, we will get into the bugs. Her house was bugged three or four times from different people.
Speaker 2:So we'll get into that. But so they finally got a hold of Bobby, told her hey, marilyn Monroe has a sex tape of you two. She's going to release it if you don't go talk to her. Bobby comes and talks to her with Peter Lawford. Rumors have it that they had a good talk. It went peaceful and whatnot. Bobby asked for the tape. She was like I don't actually have a tape. I just said that.
Speaker 2:He grew furious, started wrecking shit in her house trying to find the tape, but there was no tape. I guess he looked in the closet and found all the wires from her house being bugged. Grew even more furious because he's like what are all these fucking wires if there's no actual tape? And that's when it's rumored that on one of the wire taps you can hear them arguing and then you can hear kind of peter lawford come in and try to like defuse things and then everything goes silent and you don't hear any more arguing. You don't hear marilyn monroe talking and it's rumored that she either fell or was hit by someone because she had a bruise, I think on her left hip.
Speaker 2:Yes, I heard that showed up on the autopsy that they they say is when that happened. But anyways, so they, peter. She grew. Marilyn Monroe became hysterical like yelling at Bobby because of the tape and everything and him getting mad. So Bobby Kennedy had her doctor Greens, greensbro, greensbro.
Speaker 3:Something yeah.
Speaker 2:Greens something, come and give her a shot to calm her down. So the doctor gives her the shot to calm her down. So Bobby and Peter Lawford leave. A few hours later is when the mafia hitmen come in. They break in. They give her the fatal suppository in her butt.
Speaker 3:In the ass.
Speaker 2:They say they put it in her butt, taped her butt to make sure it didn't come out and waited for it to take effect.
Speaker 3:They taped her ass.
Speaker 2:Yes that's what they say, that's gross To make sure it didn't pop out.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, because after an enema it's going to like spew out, yeah, so once it took effect is when it's rumored.
Speaker 2:Because her maid or whatever housekeeper, eunice Murray, was there. The mafia threatened her and told her like we were never here. The only person you saw tonight was Bobby Kennedy and if you say otherwise, we will kill you, we'll kill your family. They basically threatened her and blackmailed her into saying that they were never there that night. The only person they saw was Bobby Kennedy. So that's the rumor of how the mafia was Bobby Kennedy. So that's the rumor of how the mafia killed her. The mafia and the story and then Bobby Kennedy's story are very similar of how things took place.
Speaker 3:It is. That is strangely similar, Because I have heard about the bruise and no one was able to actually figure out what that bruise was from, and I guess the coroner didn't even inquire about why or what it was.
Speaker 2:No, from what I read and everything, they really botched the autopsy oh my god, yeah which is when they say her little black book or little red book, diary, whatever went missing yeah, nobody could find it they say theer was under a lot of pressure and distress about getting the autopsy out and when he did, the next day is when missing information and the little red book went missing.
Speaker 2:Oh my god because also the police officer in charge of that case was chief chief, something chief parker was ahead of her case. Chief park Parker was very good friends with the Kennedys, especially Bobby and his wife. It's rumored to believe that at a party in California that there was a note left written from Bobby Kennedy's wife Ethel. Ethel wrote that she believed Chief Parker should be the next head of the FBI over J Edgar Hoover.
Speaker 3:Oh, Hoover did not like Bobby.
Speaker 2:No, him and the Kennedys did not get along at all, but with the head of investigation of Marilyn Monroe's death was very good friends and had connections with the Kennedys. Like come on, the shit went missing.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I can't even like any of her death. Scenarios are not comfortable.
Speaker 3:No, it's like either she was very sad and then decided to like kill herself, or she was like having to argue with a lover who killed her, or it was like the mob and her lover, or it was just the mob that came in. Like it was a lot that I can't. And like also how they found her, because they have Fred. That's like she was found. She had the phone in her hand. Was she calling for help? Was she like oh my God?
Speaker 2:Well, these bastards, like what I said earlier, with the ambulance, finding her at like 10 o'clock at night, taking her and then bringing her back. When they brought her back, bobby and Peter Lawford showed up. That's when it's rumored that, like her body was placed like that, they placed the phone in her hand to corroborate that she had called Peter that night.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Even though she didn't.
Speaker 3:Oh, that would make sense.
Speaker 2:They and they. It's, I read. I don't know if they did like like studies on it, but apparently she died like face up and stuff. But when they found her body she was face down with the phone in her hand, nude. It's also rumored to believe that she never slept naked. She always slept with a bra on to keep her boobs up and not sag and drag. She always slept with a bra on. So for them to find her naked, they said, was very uncommon. So that just plays into the point that there was someone else behind it, because she wouldn't have been naked.
Speaker 3:Well, no.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, that sucks.
Speaker 2:But yeah, with the whole finding her body and then like having her brought back to the house because she was still alive and it is rumored that she was suffocated.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2:I heard.
Speaker 3:Is that she was suffocated, and then like's what I heard that she was suffocated, and then like he just wanted her to stop screaming or something. Oh god, that's so fucking bad. Yes, that's disgusting. So, it's obviously a lot Right there, with her death even Okay. So let's just try to move past the step part. I'm not trying to like gloss over it, I'm just saying, like the bugs, the bugs yes, let's, let's touch on that a quick bit so they were saying that people could have bugged her would have been okay.
Speaker 3:So it was a privating investigator that said that he could have done. And then it came out this whole thing saying like yeah, I did it, like I have all these tapes, like I've heard having sex with these different men. They said JFK was a two-minute man Does that hurt Probably. I mean if you're having sex with Marilyn Monroe, I figure anybody would be a two-minute man. Probably. I mean she was hot, but they're saying J Edgar Hoover had her bus and as the mob.
Speaker 2:Yes, they wanted her done. Do you know why each person had her house bugged?
Speaker 3:Why not the Hoovers? Well, Hoover didn't like her no, not like her, but he didn't like the Kennedys. They were trying to find anything to bring them down.
Speaker 2:They were trying to find anything to bring them down. Hoover had her house bugged to try to find information on the Kennedys, Anything he could to disclaim or get rid of the Kennedys. Then it's rumored that the FBI had her house bugged too. But Hoover is the FBI. But what I'm thinking is the FBI did bug her house but Hoover had his own separate agenda against it. So Hoover's was to catch her with the kennedys anything to destroy the kennedys right he wanted to do the fbi bugged her house to get info on sinatra and the mob right
Speaker 3:they were after the mafia oh yeah, they wanted them down, so that's why the fbi had her house bugged.
Speaker 2:Okay, then the last bug was Giacana in the mafia. Had her house phone bugged to try to find info on the FBI and the Kennedys well, bobby Kennedy looking into the mafia because he was trying to bring down the mafia at the time. So it's rumored to believe her house was bugged like three or four times from different people.
Speaker 3:I'd be so pissed Like what the hell?
Speaker 2:And like when Bobby went through her house and found all those wires, he's like what?
Speaker 3:Bobby went through her house and found all those wires. He's like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was from the bugs. But it's rumored that, like when the mafia Like the mafia rumor of it Happened, bobby came Founder and actually called Um Jagder Hoover To get his help on it. Yeah. Even though they hated each other. Hoover did it Because was like well, if I help you guys out in this situation, you owe me, and it's actually on record of Bobby Kennedy saying that J Edgar Hoover was a great FBI person and that he did good at his job, even though they hated each other.
Speaker 2:So why would Bobby Kennedy come out and say this stuff about Hoover when they hated each other? I don't know Hoover saw it as like alright, I'm gonna help you out. I don't know. Hoover sold it as like Alright, I'm going to help you out, make this go away, but you owe me, so you, you can't go after my job. That's how Hoover kept his job, and he did. They didn't he?
Speaker 2:didn't lose his job as the FBI director no even though this Chief Parker, who was endorsed by the Kennedys, didn't win, oh my god which I think. If I remember correctly, parker died like a couple years later. After that cause, hoover didn't die until 72, I believe which he lived longer than Bobby Kennedy cause. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated as well, but that part, like that part, is rumored that Hoover helped Kennedy cover it. So Hoover would save his own ass and save his job. But I mean it depends on what you believe.
Speaker 3:I know what I believe. Okay, what do you believe?
Speaker 2:let's well, I was gonna save that for the end of the show. Oh like, do we have more, is there?
Speaker 3:what was your death? No, I wanted to get into the bugs and all that and then like what the mob has to do with it and like all these. That's what I mean is like trying to consolidate all the reasons as to how she could have died was so hard, because I was like I mean, you're this, you're that and you want to just be like something's gotta be the reason. I mean, she's just, she just fixed her relationship with fox and she did with them she was gonna restore her movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, her career was on the up and up after that. I know she was depressed and she went through some shit, but she was fired from fox yeah but she actually got her contract back yeah, they were gonna do it and that would have.
Speaker 3:actually they said there was nothing, she had just bought that house. She got her career back on the up. She was just going on a, although sometimes people hit that plateau where they're like on the up and up and they just kind of flop line.
Speaker 2:True, I mean people with depression. Like it happens, I don't think that was the case in this.
Speaker 3:You think it was. What do you think it was?
Speaker 2:She was murdered.
Speaker 3:Well you think it was. What do you think it was? She was murdered. Well, obviously I I mean honestly, if I'm gonna say like it was strange all the things I read it was like on all the reports and people, and then like, um, somebody's coming out the book about it might have been norman mailer. Someone was gonna come out with a book. I don't even know if it was norman mailer.
Speaker 3:Please don't take my word on that there were a lot of people who came out with books, they were gonna come up with books about it and then, like it was actually threatened and he retracted and redacted, it was like never mind, like I only did that to sell books, like I don't even know if that's happened, but at the same time you're just talking about yeah, I remember reading it was someone and they were like I was like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:like they're gonna come out with something. And and then they sat in there like oh, yeah, I wrote that, but like it was only to sell books.
Speaker 2:Right, I remember reading something about that. Why?
Speaker 3:would you? I mean, you've got to be a pretty horrible person.
Speaker 2:That's kind of shitty.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you've got to be a horrible person to write something and be like I only said that just to sell the books, and I, like you can't do that. But there's all these eyewitness testimonies and stuff that contradict completely what happened or was said to have happened and like, why would you do this? So I, I want to say like, yeah, like it wasn't. Her death was not on the up and up, it was not. I don't think it was for any other reasons, even if she did decide to like her own life. It just at the time I was like, well, everything seemed to be going really well reasons, even if she did decide to like her own life. It just at the time I was like, well, everything seemed to be going really well for her and she did.
Speaker 3:But in the past she did have like suicidal, like ideolation, which is true and a lot of people who do reach that point where they're about to kill themselves will be like, yeah, this is happening, for me, it's going great. And then they just do it and they make plans ahead of time that they know they will never reach. And because they're going to do these things like to themselves, like I mean, you can't, you can't really guess what people in that kind of mind state will make. But at the same time, it's kind of like well, and that kind of mind state will make, but at the same time it's kind of like well, she was having all these weird relationships with very powerful people. That it's like did she get it over her head which she might have?
Speaker 2:I clearly believe she got way in over her head.
Speaker 3:Do you think it was the mob or Bobby Kennedy?
Speaker 2:What do you think I want to know your opinion on that first. What do you think I want to know your opinion on that first? Who do you? What do you think happened?
Speaker 3:I think the mob is very likely, but at the same time it just I don't know if bobby kenny wouldn't would have, wouldn't have wanted his whole life disturbed by this. I I don't think he would have wanted that I. I mean, I think he had like 11 kids or something. He had a lot of kids.
Speaker 2:He did and he wasn't going to give up his family and his wife for Marilyn. No, he was like no no, no, which that's what she wanted.
Speaker 3:Did she want it or was she just like it was the fun of it?
Speaker 2:Either way, it was something like she wanted him to end it with his wife Because one of their sisters even emailed Marilyn Monroe and said Emailed yes, or lettered. I was like what the?
Speaker 3:fuck were they doing?
Speaker 2:Fuck you. She sent her a letter and said basically, we all know about you and bobby. You guys are the new, next new thing. We want you to come to thanksgiving with him.
Speaker 3:I did hear about letters her sister sent marilyn a letter saying that Also let's just talk about how one, how okay. So Donald Trump released FBI files on the Kennedys right in 2017.
Speaker 3:Yes, and in there there was a note about how Bobby Kennedy was sent mail or correspondence from the FBI and they were warning him like hey, they're going to come out with this thing about you and marilyn, just so you know like. Why would they have to like preface that with him? Why would they have to like tell him like, just so you know like something's gonna come out with you and marilyn, like do it? And he might have been like so fucking angry because apparently he had an explosive temper which could have ended in death. Because that's what happens. Yeah, yeah, and you wouldn't want that to happen, like not for him in his career. I mean, I can't imagine trying to like murder anybody for any reason, let alone my career.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you work really hard, but like I mean, rebuild man, like do something you don't gotta kill I get that, but he had a lot to lose and they're a very, very powerful fucking family.
Speaker 3:Apparently the Kennedys. Yes, so I don't. I don't know. I want to say, like there's all this stuff that comes out Like they had a lot. That was he was gonna have a lot that came out against him. Like I said, I don't even think jfk was like the main ideal here. No, I, he was definitely not a player in her death and I don't think jackie was either it was definitely going to be it was bobby or bobby or but who I I know who who? What do you think?
Speaker 2:what did you say I?
Speaker 3:didn't say anything because I don't even fucking know, like I can't even begin to be like which one. Could it have been? Because everyone has very big plays here in this game and it all could have gone so wrong. They were just like haha, we're just doing this for fun, oh shit, she's dead. Too far, like fucking, just cover it up, like I can't even uh do you want me to tell you what happened?
Speaker 2:what?
Speaker 3:you think happened? No, what I know oh my god, no, tell me what you think, and then we will. Let's tell me. Tell me, okay, let's go.
Speaker 2:As much as me personally probably would want it to be the mafia who had her killed. It wasn't. It was not the mafia. Bobby Kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1:Okay, he had the most to lose, well yeah, kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 2:Okay, he had the most to lose. Well, yeah, the Mafia really didn't. The Mafia aspect of it was they just wanted to get back at the Kennedys. They wanted to spook them. They wanted to spook them. Get back at them, embarrass them, make them look like he was the bad guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they probably didn't want to remember her.
Speaker 2:No, bobby Kennedy had the most to lose if Marilyn Monroe came out publicly with everything she knew. No, yeah, that would have been bad. So, Like I'm not going to say I think I know, I know Bobby Kennedy was behind Marilyn Monroe's death and so was Peter Lawford Because he was there Because and also At Marilyn Monroe's funeral. Was Peter Lawford because he was there Because and also at Marilyn Monroe's funeral. Do you know who set up her funeral? Who? Joe DiMaggio.
Speaker 2:Oh he, joe DiMaggio set up everything for Marilyn Monroe's funeral, also only allowed 30 people at the funeral, 30 personal, close and personal friends of Monroe. Do you know who's left off that list? Who? Peter Lawford.
Speaker 3:Fuck you, Lawford.
Speaker 2:Peter Lawford made it known that he was very upset at the fact that Joe DiMaggio would not allow him at the funeral. Do you know why he left Peter Lawford off?
Speaker 3:He was too emotional. No yeah.
Speaker 2:Up until DiMaggio's death. Dimaggio knew the Kennedys were behind her death. Joe DiMaggio is on record saying the Kennedys are the reason Marilyn Monroe is dead. Dimaggio knows the truth, I know the truth. It was Bobby Kennedy. Yeah, dimaggio knows the truth, I know the truth. It was bobby kennedy. Peter lawford was guilty by association, that's what it was and we all know it well.
Speaker 3:So I that's, that's my my aspect on it yeah, I really so, if you think about it, with the mob and their killings or whatever, like the murders that they do, marilyn was probably such small fish in that kind of game they were trying to play.
Speaker 2:Yes, because Kennedy had more to lose. Bobby had more to lose than the mafia did of Marilyn. Marilyn wasn't going after the mafia.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:They were using her as a pawn to get to the Kennedys.
Speaker 3:Everyone said that there's a lot of rumors and stuff that they say that she was actually.
Speaker 2:A lot of people say she was planning a press conference yes, the next day, yeah, the six yeah, try to, I don't know some sort of safety net she was gonna just the yeah, but she was all the secrets. She was going to do that as a safety net for herself, because she was like, well, if that as a safety net for herself.
Speaker 3:Because she was like, well, if it's out in the open, it's out in the mafia. You would think, like I was in the press and then if anything happens to me they'll know. They'll know, like if anything happens, but they got to her before it happened. Now, apparently there was even an actor, gianni Russo.
Speaker 2:Russo yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah okay, they said that it was orchestrated by bobby, that's what he said. It was like on his deathbed. Now he played carlo rizzi in the godfather, and it was I was gonna say he.
Speaker 3:It was rumored that he was with the mafia hitman that night yeah, apparently, like he had like a photo of them together like in california, nevada, like border, and it was just like right before her death or whatever, and he said that the person who took the picture was sam g akana. But they were just doing it probably as like a bait, like oh, we're friends with her, look what we're're going to do. Like she's saying a lot of stuff, like she's really mad, um, and that they're saying that Bobby was the one who did it. Even the mob was saying that like honestly, the mob, I feel like, would be like, um, they wouldn't even admit. They were just like kill, kill, kill. And then this guy it was this kid, this cape cod, like kid, who did this, not us, but it's just, it's hard it's hard like I.
Speaker 3:I mean, I do believe that they probably, so where do you?
Speaker 2:stand with it. What do you believe that it was very, very sad.
Speaker 3:Well, obviously I don't know who do you think okay?
Speaker 2:so here's the thing monroe did not commit suicide. Okay, so here's the thing Clearly, monroe did not commit suicide.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, no, here's the thing. A very big part of me wants to be like. She has had drug issues. She has had issues where this has been a thing that she's done and she's had sought help medical help over it. She has tried to better herself from it. She has had to go detox from it.
Speaker 3:It was something she suffered from. It was getting to a part, a point where it was very debilitating in her life and all of that. But also, I think, how they found her and the fact that the medical evidence is like all fucked up, like I mean, a suicide is a suicide, and the fact that there's like, well, she had to have swallowed upwards of like 40 pills and the fact they found none of that in her stomach. You part of me is just like how are they saying they didn't find? Well, maybe they didn't find that many, but it's like someone who takes these drugs regularly, I mean you might find something, but they didn't find. Well, maybe they didn't find that many, but it's like someone who takes these drugs regularly, I mean you might find something, but they didn't find anything.
Speaker 2:Or drinking water. I understand you're like, oh, I can take pills without water.
Speaker 3:I do without them, that's some supernatural shit. No, it's not. It's the thing is when I was little, I have to have water.
Speaker 2:I have to have drink something to take a pill. Well. And for her to have to take 40 to 50 of these with no nothing to swallow it down with. I can take. I don't believe it.
Speaker 3:I can take. I do not believe that I can take upwards of four at a time without water.
Speaker 2:Four, four. This is 40 to 50.
Speaker 3:Not at one time. That's the thing is. I mean, even if she did it in separate increments, of course, I had to break down differently right at separate times. I the only reason why that I know I I can is because I had some kidney issues when I was younger and I had to be on like I had to take like six or more pills a day for my kidney issues when I was younger. So I mean, they were big ass pills. Some of them. I was like they're like a fucking horse pill. But you learn to just take them. You know, just take them and back them, which is why I'm not saying like it's like a superpower. It's just that when you get used to taking pills, no, that's a superpower.
Speaker 3:No, you get used to taking pills.
Speaker 2:You're just like eventually you are able to take a small amount of them and just take them without.
Speaker 3:If you could take 40 pills not 40 I understand that, but in her case, to do that without water, that's a superhero power like I don't think she did, but she had to have something in her system but she didn't, so she didn't eat or drink all day, oh, probably but, they had to find something but they didn't find these pills not the pills. That's why I'm like. So some people were saying that like a doctor came up and like stabbed her either in the hip or in the heart or whatever.
Speaker 2:There's a mysterious bruise, the mysterious bruise there was something I forgot to touch on oh, touch on it real quick. I did read that the dr greensberg was that his name greenson. Dr greenson tried to give her a shot called a hot shot in the heart to try to like like, jumpstart her heart, bring her back. This is rumored after they found her when she died.
Speaker 3:I've never heard of a hot shot being a good thing when it comes to drugs.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what they called it. Okay, but apparently when he stabbed it in her he didn't hit it and was like forcing it down, moving it around. I guess with all the force and stuff broke her kidney.
Speaker 3:Oh, like bones yeah.
Speaker 2:Broke her kidney, crushed her kidney, something, then finally hit the heart and injected it.
Speaker 3:How do you get to the kidney from the heart?
Speaker 2:I don't know. That's what I thought too.
Speaker 3:That's not a thing. They're in two totally different spots of the body.
Speaker 2:No, no, but from what I read is he tried giving her a shot called a hot shot, trying to revive her heart. I don't want that I don't know I guess he was moving around broke her kidney, broke something, I don't know look your kidneys down here, your heart's up here finally hit the spot, but like two minutes after she died that's like a three foot needle so, like after I read that it was rumored that bobby kennedy ordered the doctor to do this, or was he trying to save her life?
Speaker 3:but fucked up, look and that doctor sounds dumb your kidneys.
Speaker 2:Well, that was, that was her doctor, who she also had the affair with.
Speaker 3:Okay, look your kidney's down here. I know it is your lower back, I don't know. Heart's up right up here.
Speaker 2:I don't know how long was that needle? I don't know. Well, not that long to where it hit down, but Both.
Speaker 3:He's just like. You know what? I'm going to skewer your whole body.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if he got on top of her and was like stabbing her in the heart with a needle, but with him applying all the pressure, maybe like his body breaking the kidney, and with him breaking her kidney or something giving her. The shot killed her. I don't know, it's just something I read.
Speaker 3:Let's not believe that. That sounds weird.
Speaker 1:I don't believe that at all, that's just something I read.
Speaker 2:That's two totally different parts yes, I straight up believe bobby kennedy killed her okay like let's stick with that, because that was weird is that what you believe? Is that? Is that where we're ending this like we think?
Speaker 3:I want to know what you think what you truly believe I don't think the mob wanted her dead.
Speaker 2:I do not think the mob killed her.
Speaker 3:The mob's even coming out saying like why she was a body girl. She partied a lot, she fucked whoever Give her, whatever she'll fuck you.
Speaker 2:It's very believable that the mob could have been behind it, because the mafia aspect of it and Bobby Kennedy's aspect of it were very similar Similar, sorry, but.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I mean it's weird.
Speaker 2:I don't believe the mafia did it.
Speaker 3:I don't think this is a big. You get a pin on the mafia.
Speaker 2:Bobby Kennedy had way more to lose than the mafia, the mafia just wanted to get back at the Kennedys.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was more of a humiliation thing.
Speaker 2:This would have ended his like publicly, if it came out, could have ended his marriage, his career. Bobby Kennedy had so much more to lose. So in my heart I 100% believe Bobby Kennedy had so much more to lose. So in my heart I 100% believe Bobby Kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm going to say I'm going to kind of lean towards that way, because I don't think the mob wanted to actually murder her.
Speaker 2:Then what other way would you lean? Suicide?
Speaker 1:Or suicide, yeah, yeah, you think no, no, I'm saying I'm leaning to actually murder her. Then what other way would you lean?
Speaker 2:suicide or suicide, yeah, yeah, you think. No, no, I'm saying, I'm leaning. I'm saying like both ways, like I think if it was, I know, but I'm telling you you're wrong. I'm like she did not commit suicide no, I don't know.
Speaker 3:There's just a lot of stuff that tells me like she didn't she no, and then maybe she didn't commit suicide. There was something that said that bobby maybe was just like, oh, they're gonna try to hold her over my head and then I'm just gonna kill her before they can do anything, but not that the mob was actually gonna ever do anything. They're like, no, I'm actually gonna kill her like we like her, we just well, they probably would have if they had to, I think they would have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if she had like their secrets, but she only had bobby's she probably had mafia secrets but oh, you gotta be really dumb to try to be like I'm gonna spill mafia secrets, you gotta be dumb and I don't think she was that dumb because even if she had mafia secrets, you gotta be dumb. And I don't think she was that dumb because even if she had mafia secrets.
Speaker 2:The secrets she would have exposed of bobby and jfk were much more worse than the mafia secrets yeah, I don't think she was gonna go like the Kennedys, had more to lose, even though they did.
Speaker 3:Honestly they did. I don't think.
Speaker 2:JFK had anything to do with the murder. He knew about it.
Speaker 3:He knew. I don't think he had anything to do with it, but Bobby.
Speaker 2:It was all Bobby.
Speaker 3:Everything I read is showing Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.
Speaker 2:It was Bobby, for sure.
Speaker 3:Nothing JFK did, for sure nothing jfk did. I think maybe he was there fleeing and happened. And then she got all involved with bobby who apparently was just like, yeah, I'm gonna fuck you, but guess what, I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 2:Well, he didn't tell her that no, but in his head he was probably like well, I don't think in his head either he was like I'm gonna kill you, not until after all this shit. Yeah, but that's weird. I probably feel like in his head he's like, hey, I'm gonna fuck you, this is it, I'm not leaving my wife. Like bada, bing, bada, boom, boom, boom, boom muffins.
Speaker 3:Like no, yeah, you know what it ended if she didn't tragically yeah, for her it was god that was so bad.
Speaker 2:She was what? 36? She was definitely when she died yeah 36 had a lot of still a couple years left, you know probably many years yeah like when she died. Her movies at the time had gross 200 million and in this day would be 2 billion. It was either 2 billion or 200 billion.
Speaker 3:I remember you said that and I was just like you were looking at something and I was like oh my god, she was like an avengers movie that's what I read. Okay, that's what I'm saying. She's like she just got her contract back. She bought a house.
Speaker 2:She was like yo, I'm doing my, thing, I don't think she would have fought so hard to get her contract back with Fox and to get the movie. What was it Something's Gotta Give back if she was just going to kill herself To get the movie? What was it Something's Gotta Give back If she was just going to kill herself?
Speaker 3:At the same time, people with depression do that. They do.
Speaker 2:But to get a new contract and to get more money and to get the movie back.
Speaker 3:Maybe she thought her life was going in a great way. She's like here I am, I'm living my life, it's great. And then guess what? Here comes Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 2:I get what you're saying, like the whole suicide. I get like how they try to make their life better or whatever, before they do it.
Speaker 3:They get really positive. I get that.
Speaker 2:You know I get that.
Speaker 3:I know. But, I don't think that was it.
Speaker 2:I think she was trying to get her life back together and she threatened the Kennedys to come out with this shit. She threatened the wrong family.
Speaker 3:I don't know if she threatened them. I think she felt threatened. I think she felt threatened.
Speaker 2:She did. But she also threatened them because she said she was going to come out. She had a press conference scheduled to tell all these secrets. She threatened them with this.
Speaker 3:And that's what got her killed. I feel like that was, she thought, an insurance policy for her. I tell the press this like if anything happens.
Speaker 2:If anything happens but that's still a threat? I guess no, shut up if I come to you and be like, hey, I have all these secrets about you. I'm going to the press. Everyone needs to know. That is a threat I would be like and they ended that threat by killing her and disposing of this little red book, because it has never been found to this day.
Speaker 3:It hasn't, honestly, okay. Side track here there was a private investigator who said that he was actually hired to look into these matters and he said like, yeah, this is what happened. Like bobby kennedy killed her, like all this stuff, and the mob was involved, but they actually didn't want to kill her, but then bobby ended up killing her, so whatever. Um, I want to say god, I have it here, but apparently like he had after, but he died before any of this is substantiated and honestly there was a lot of holes in his thing, in like his story. But after he died, a file cabinet or whatever that he had all this stuff in went missing and no one's ever found it. He was just like saying all this stuff and people were like, well, that's not really true and there's a lot of holes in this story and he was just like whatever.
Speaker 3:Basically he was towards the end forcing his life and then he passed away and apparently his lawyers came in. They took one file cabinet out with all these documents in it. That was just related to all this never came out. You would think that after that happens and one of the last people dies who knows what happens they would just let it out, but it's like they didn't. Nobody was like no, but it could have been because of political things. Like bobby kennedy, he was just like no, like, don't disrupt. Even if he's not here anymore, don't disrupt, like, his memory of things or don't disrupt people's memory of him and what he did. So, yeah, I don't know, I'm just part of me is just like I do not.
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 3:They wouldn't give a fuck about that I do not think that the mob had anything to do with her death. I think maybe they kind of toyed with the idea, but they weren't really going to do it, and that he acted way too soon because of that fear of anything coming out and for exposing everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah no, I definitely did and so, yes, maybe that. But then also part of me is just like god, her history with overdosing and having to put in hospitals for this kind of thing, like, yeah, maybe that was a thing, but also she got mixed up in some shit and I don't know if I can completely excuse bobby kennedy from that. I am not including jfk in that, because he had nothing. He was a very small, minor role in whatever happened he had his fun with monroe.
Speaker 2:That was it.
Speaker 3:That was he was everybody thinks like, because everyone's always like yeah, like she was trying to expose and she was in love with him and she was harassing the white house.
Speaker 3:It was like if she was going to the white house that much for stuff she was in love with jfk, but once bobby came around, he was hotter she fell more in love with bobby could have been, but so all the calls to the white house could have been to him and not jfk. I just feel like people drag him into it so much that he seems like the star of it, when really it's probably bobby, who was the one who did, who was the main focus. But yeah, I mean, bobby kennedy was hotter and he was a little spicier. Obviously he killed her.
Speaker 3:Debatable. He was hotter, all right. Whatever you say, I love JFK. I thought he was hot too. I was like way to go, you're hot, he likes civil rights. So do I. This is amazing. But then you look at Bobby Kennedy and you're just like oh boy.
Speaker 2:You're way hot, alright. So your final opinion on this was either Bobby killed her or she committed suicide.
Speaker 3:You're torn between the two yeah, because obviously I'm like Bobby you're pretty hot, but you're probably crazy.
Speaker 2:That means you're crazy I mean, that's what you believe, and I believe that it was bobby kennedy.
Speaker 3:She did not commit suicide yeah, the also the witness testimonies really got me the way that even neighbors who have no affiliation with the maid or anything were saying like, yeah, no, I definitely saw that that was bobby kennedy who went into that house, so I do definitely think that he was visiting her sometime during that time and the white house has said like we know jfk where he was during that time, but we have no record of wherever bobby was that night.
Speaker 2:Which he was in California.
Speaker 3:Exactly. And oh God, please, bobby, no, why'd you do this?
Speaker 2:He's a douche. The hot ones Was a douche he did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he got assassinated as well. Papa Also, if you think about it, everybody entangled in this, a lot of the main players assassinated. His phone also, if you think about it, everybody entangled in this, a lot of the main players assassinated naturally the main players were I mean, she was gone jfk. Even though he was minorly involved, he was probably assassinated for other reasons.
Speaker 2:Government government got it, we can get into that another time, oh, another time, I'm sure another episode on this show. I will do the jfk assassination, because that is actually one of my favorite oh, it is yes I I love the jfk assassination and conspiracy he doesn't agree with the assassination.
Speaker 3:He just believes that he was assassinated for political reasons oh, straight up, straight up oh he was For sure, I believe it.
Speaker 2:And I will get into that in a later episode. You guys will just have to follow, subscribe and listen, keep listening. So Sabrina. Yes. I love you. I love you, my beautiful wife.
Speaker 3:I look like trash right now here, guys Better half. I love you, my beautiful wife. I look like trash right now, guys, better half.
Speaker 2:My love. Thank you for being my first episode. Oh, thanks, and I wanted you to be my first episode. I know you. You argued on me on it. You're like you should have someone else as your first episode, like your best friends.
Speaker 3:He's had a lot of interest in people who really want to do this.
Speaker 2:I've had a few people. Yes, we definitely have more episodes to come.
Speaker 3:Oh, there's a lot of things to be discussed, In fact our next episode is our friend Kari.
Speaker 2:Oh Kari, she'll be discussing aliens. Aliens which.
Speaker 3:I'm all about y'all. She's got a lot of stuff to say about that so, but no, thank you, I love you.
Speaker 2:I love you and I think this episode was very good. I think it was good, so hopefully we educated some people about there's a lot of history. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there is y'all look into it. Very good, I think it was good. So hopefully we educated some people about Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of history. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. There is. Y'all look into it. There's a lot of stuff, a lot. I mean I couldn't even go into all of it because a lot of it was just fluff. Narrowing down the main points was like the hardest, because I was like, oh my God, is this a point?
Speaker 2:Is this, this a point? Is this a point like? Is this gonna come in later. There's a lot, so just look into it all right. Well, thank you for coming on, the show being my first episode, so, all right no I liked being did you have fun?
Speaker 3:oh, I had fun, guys. Of course you're gonna have fun. I mean, we're talking about conspiracies and then, well, I get, I'm gonna be really drunk and honestly Y'all I gotta pee. I'm not even gonna lie.
Speaker 2:So Alright, thank you, babe. Thanks, I love you. Thank you for listening and Hopefully you continue to listen. Try to build this podcast up. I'm trying to get it out there, you know. I just feel like it's an interesting show. I think it is good, yeah. So thank you again, yep. So thank you, everyone out there, for listening. This is Drunk Conspiracies and we will see you on the next episode.