Sidle up to the conspiracy roundtable as my guest George and I uncork the enigmatic universe of Disney, spilling secrets and theories that have swirled around the iconic empire. In a conversation that's as intoxicating as the apple pie moonshine I'm sipping, we traverse the shadowy paths of Disney World's urban legends and scrutinize the psychological undertow of its classic films. You'll want to tune in for a discussion that's as rich in mystery as it is in history, shedding light on everything from the absence of maternal figures in Disney narratives to the chilling notion of Walt Disney's cryogenic preservation.
Gather 'round for a ghostly discussion that will leave you questioning every creak and whisper of your next park visit. George and I share personal anecdotes and peel back the layers of lore behind the ever-burning lamp in Walt Disney's apartment and the real skeletons that once adorned the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. As we explore Disney's intricate marketing strategies and the true tales behind the spookier aspects of the happiest place on earth, you're in for a magical ride that guarantees more than just fairy tales and fireworks.
Finally, we venture into the darker corners of Disney's legacy, where the fantastical meets the factual. From the exclusive and secretive Club 33 to the pervasive rumors of subliminal messaging in films, we leave no stone unturned. Whether you're a seasoned Disney aficionado or a curious newcomer to the realm of conspiracy, join us for a captivating journey that blurs the lines between entertainment and intrigue—just be prepared to look at Disney in a whole new light.
Sidle up to the conspiracy roundtable as my guest George and I uncork the enigmatic universe of Disney, spilling secrets and theories that have swirled around the iconic empire. In a conversation that's as intoxicating as the apple pie moonshine I'm sipping, we traverse the shadowy paths of Disney World's urban legends and scrutinize the psychological undertow of its classic films. You'll want to tune in for a discussion that's as rich in mystery as it is in history, shedding light on everything from the absence of maternal figures in Disney narratives to the chilling notion of Walt Disney's cryogenic preservation.
Gather 'round for a ghostly discussion that will leave you questioning every creak and whisper of your next park visit. George and I share personal anecdotes and peel back the layers of lore behind the ever-burning lamp in Walt Disney's apartment and the real skeletons that once adorned the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. As we explore Disney's intricate marketing strategies and the true tales behind the spookier aspects of the happiest place on earth, you're in for a magical ride that guarantees more than just fairy tales and fireworks.
Finally, we venture into the darker corners of Disney's legacy, where the fantastical meets the factual. From the exclusive and secretive Club 33 to the pervasive rumors of subliminal messaging in films, we leave no stone unturned. Whether you're a seasoned Disney aficionado or a curious newcomer to the realm of conspiracy, join us for a captivating journey that blurs the lines between entertainment and intrigue—just be prepared to look at Disney in a whole new light.
Welcome to Drunk Conspiracies. Welcome back to the long-awaited episode of Drunk Conspiracies. Tonight's guest I have George. How you doing tonight, george? I'm doing good man. Thank you for having me on. Thanks for coming on. So are you doing tonight, george? I'm doing good man. Thank you for having me on. Thanks for coming on. So are you big into conspiracy theories?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a little pastime of mine. I love just the creativeness of it and how people think outside the box, but also I love just how accurate some of these conspiracy theories can be, or how close to the truth. Uh, some conspiracy, some conspiracy theories actually end up being, you know right.
Speaker 1:So um, would you consider yourself like a conspiracy theorist or just someone who just like, finds them interesting and dives?
Speaker 2:into them. I, I would consider myself a bit of a conspiracy theorist. I wouldn't say, like you know, full blown um, but I do have like some pretty strong opinions on like a wide variety of like topics, whether you know, scientific to historical um. So yeah, I did, there are, I do, there are like a couple conspiracy theories that I believe are very, very solid. So I consider myself one.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I'm the same way. I've always been into conspiracies, ever since I was like early teenager, so I've always dug into them and did my own research. I wouldn't say I'm like a crazy conspiracy theorist because the way I do it on my show I don't know how familiar you are with my show but I like to look at every aspect of the conspiracy. I like to look at people who believe it's true and people who don't believe it's true. I like to gather up all the information before I actually make my final opinion on if I believe the conspiracy is true, could be true, or is just ridiculously not true.
Speaker 2:Right yeah. Yeah, and that's something that's missing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately from the community is that that due diligence that you take the time to do. That's something I can very much respect and appreciate.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, because nowadays it's like you either believe it or you don't and there's like no in between. But I like to stay neutral until I can gather up my own information. But, like you, you mentioned you on some conspiracies you like fully believe that are true. There are many that I fully believe are true.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, I've done research, you know yeah, it's like, uh, there, there's some things that I feel like the evidence and like the probability is strong enough that I'm like okay, I, it's like. It's like, okay, I believe all my heart. But it's just like if I had to put you know, if I had to bet on it, I, I strongly bet that. You know some of these conspiracy theories are fairly accurate and, you know, possibly true, you know right, yeah, I, I agree with you.
Speaker 1:Um, so my show is a drinking podcast, but obviously you don't have to drink and you're not drinking tonight, so I'll just drink the boat.
Speaker 2:Enough for the both of us I appreciate that I would love to drink with you, man, but my fiancee, she would jump on me if I had too much, right?
Speaker 1:no, I get it, but, um, I usually like to go over like what kind of uh drinks we're having tonight. So the the drink I'm having tonight is called three stooges. It's um, it's a holiday beer and since we're in the holiday season, I figured I'd give it a shot. It's a, it's a holiday beer and since we're in the holiday season, I figured I'd give it a shot. It's a local brewing company called Griffin Claw Brewing Company here in Birmingham, michigan. I'm from Michigan. I'm not sure what state you live in.
Speaker 2:I'm currently in the Louisville Kentucky area.
Speaker 1:Okay, so not too far. I was born and raised in Tennessee. Gotcha Know Kentucky pretty well. Drive through it a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's my beer tonight. I usually take a shot with my guests too. I'll just take a shot for the both of us here. I have some apple pie moonshine Courtesy of my next door neighbor, so thank you to him for that. Uh, I'll take the shot real quick for us, and it's good. It's just like apple pie nice. So that's good, not a, not a bad. Uh, after bite to it too, so it goes down really smooth, which I mean can be really dangerous true, true depending on how much you like your moonshine stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But um, yeah, man, uh, yeah again, I appreciate you coming on. It's. It's been like, I think like a little almost two months since I put out an episode, so so, uh, I'm glad to be back and glad to get a guest on here, nah no problem, man, again, like you, the couple episodes I listened to you.
Speaker 2:um, you know I like your content, you know I like what you're doing, so that's why I hit you up and I'm like you know, hey, let's do something together.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, no man, I appreciate you listening and I know like with like podcasts are very popular and big right now, especially when the pandemic hit, they just like blew up. But I know my podcast is like a special niche to it. Yeah, so it's definitely a certain audience that I got to try to attract and that's been my hardest part is just trying to find the audience to attract. And but my podcast has been doing well Actually, since the my, my break from it, my my numbers have like kind of skyrocketed, which I don't know how.
Speaker 2:But I've experienced something similar. I I mean, I wouldn't say like they like skyrocketed or anything but but like it's just like. Right now I have three different podcasts one I host with, two I host with a good friend of mine and uh, one I host solo and uh, it's like as soon as I take a break from them, that's when people started listening and saying you know, hey. So I definitely can relate to that sentiment and also like with you, like conspiracy that's a very niche genre but at the same time, you want to attract the right type of conspiracy listeners because you know you don't want to get get you know the the actual loonies out there right, which I'm, I'm sure I have.
Speaker 2:But true, you know, but it's just, it's like I remember one time, you know, it's just like I was having a conversation with um someone about you know, 9-11 and it went into some zionist territory and I'm like, oh no, no, no, so uh, you gotta be careful with, like you know, people like that, because unfortunately it's like where's the line, you know, with the conspiracies you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, and the and the way I do mine. Like I explained to you, like I like to look at every aspect of it. It's not just like one-sided. So I'm hoping, like other people who like aren't really into conspiracy theories or like never like dove into them, hopefully they come across my show and see that like it's not one-sided, that there are two sides to it, and just as long as you do your research on it and get facts and shit like that, I mean hopefully, hopefully. But yeah, since my break my numbers, I went up by over 2,000 downloads and it was kind of crazy. So glad to be back, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad to be here again and it's just like, yeah, congrats on just the rise in numbers and just going back at it, because I think what's going to show with success-wise with some of these podcasts, especially pandemic podcasts, is when people start going back to work or when people's lives start becoming normalized again, is a lot of people are going to drop their podcast projects. You know, and it's going to be the people that you know continue on that are going to actually be like the new wave of podcasts, I think yeah, totally, and uh, that's what I'm trying to do now that I'm back in working and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping I can keep with it, but this is me diving back into it, so hopefully I can keep it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I want to clarify this real fast I did mention when people were getting crazy about their podcasts or about their conspiracy theories. I meant to use the word anti-Semitic rather than Zionist. But yeah, there's some people that get to some really anti-Semitic territory with their conspiracies sometimes and I try to step away from that. But yeah, going forward, I really feel like this is a good platform and a good, good outlet for people to, you know, look at and like, analyze these things.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent. But, um, all right, man, so should we dive into it? Yeah, man, let's go All right. So tonight's conspiracy at topic is Disney. Everyone knows Disney, we all love disney. Um, there's definitely a dark side to disney. That um, to me is, I thought was well known, but I guess to some people it's not yeah, um, disney is one of those clean companies that their reputation is everything.
Speaker 2:So I think the average person you know because some of these are going to be very common conspiracy, like surface level conspiracies that we discussed, but you know, some of the more like nefarious ones and some of the more like obscure ones you're going to kind of like be scratching your head but like, really it was like, yeah, you know, and that's the exact thing. You know that disney doesn't want people you know talking about or looking into and stuff like that. And some of these are true. Some of these are obviously bunk and some of these are just more, uh, just, it's up to your own interpretation. But again, yeah, disney has one of those squeaky, squeaky clean reputations where their brand, their reputation, is everything.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, some of these like a lot of the conspiracies I looked up about Disney I've known about, read about before, but there was actually like two maybe three of them that I never heard before and took me a little by surprise. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it should be a fun show, though I got a lot down here.
Speaker 2:So did you want to start us off?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can start us off. So tonight's episode Disney. The Walt Disney Company was founded in October 16th of 1923 by brothers Walt Disney and Roy Disney as Disney Brothers Cartoon Studios. Did you know that the original name?
Speaker 2:I did not know that. Actually I know that it was started by both brothers around that time, but I did not know the original name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it actually went through a couple names. Yeah, it started out as Disney Brothers Cartoon Studios. It was replaced no, it was Okay. Okay, my bad, I messed up there. It was operated under the name the walt disney uh studio. After the original name it went to the walt disney studio and then after that it went to walt disney productions before officially changing the name to the Walt Disney Company in 1986. So it did go through a couple of different name changes itself, but now it's as everyone knows it, as the Walt Disney Company Gotcha. So a few name changes, a little background about that. Obviously, walt Disney is the bigger name in the company than the brother Roy. Everyone knows Walt. To be honest, I didn't even know his brother was involved in it. To be honest, I didn't even know his brother was involved in it. To be honest with you, I always just thought it was Walt Disney's company.
Speaker 2:I knew about Roy's involvement, but I it was. It's just one of those things to where you just focus on. It's just one of those things to where you just focus on, unfortunately. You focus on, uh, the the main guy, more so than you know, the the guy that's unfortunately second fiddle, because it's just like how you know, apple, you know, was started by two people, but everybody focused on Steve jobs because he's the face of the company and I feel like that's that's what happened with Walt, you know, is that he became the face and, like you know, the name of the company. Um, so, uh, yeah, that's interesting though that, like them going through the name changes.
Speaker 1:I just thought, you know, they just went with disney right, yeah, um, yeah, I had no idea until I really started like digging into it that there there was a brother involved in it too. But yeah, I mean, I don't really have much about Roy, basically just Walt, because it's mostly about him and like the conspiracies around him as well. But Walt Disney was born December 5th 1901, and he passed away December 15th of 1966. He was born and raised in Chicago and then he moved to California in the early 1920s to set up the Disney Brothers Studios with his brother. Which fun fact.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you knew this, but I also like to throw fun facts into my episodes. When they moved out to California, roy was doing door-to-door vacuum sales to like bring in money for them so they can fund their their studio. And walt disney came very close to quitting in, like not doing any animation work, and he was going to be a door-to-door vacuum salesman with his brother I've been fascinated yeah, which, uh, I thought was kind of interesting, because can you imagine if, like, walt did just scrap the idea of disney and, like we had no disney today?
Speaker 2:yeah, uh, yeah, I mean it's one of those things where it's just like just a simple decision can, like you know, have such a ripple effect.
Speaker 1:You know yeah, um, I believe it was, it was, um, it was a company out in new york who called walt to have him do animation drawings for their company, and that's what got him to stick with his art and, uh, not give up and do the door-to-door salesman. So, uh, thank, thank you to that company, you know yeah that's uh, that's fascinating um came, came very close to not having a disney yeah, that is very interesting and um.
Speaker 1:but so anyways, back into it. Disney actually started just as an animation company. I mean, we all know Mickey Mouse was like his golden goose, that was his first real character that he drew. And obviously Mickey's the face of Disney, yeah, besides Walt, of course. But um 1965 they started the development of disney world. In 55 is when, uh, disneyland opened up and uh, obviously, walt disney died before Disney World opened. I believe, yeah, he wasn't alive for Disney World.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:I think he died before it opened.
Speaker 2:If you want another bonus or fun fact is, before Mickey there was Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.
Speaker 1:Right he made for Universal right. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's a bunch of shorts that he made for Universal under. You know, like you saidalt, disney was mostly animation, so they were producing oswald shorts for universal and uh, it's, it's like he kind of just went, he was, he didn't become as popular as mickey. Um, obviously right, but recently, um, there was a couple of video games they made, uh referencing uh the character and stuff like that and kind of bringing them back into the limelight a little bit. But yeah, it was interesting that you had this other character that isn't as iconic.
Speaker 1:It was kind of like his first thing at it and yeah, it's just really an interesting tidbit right, uh, don't quote me on the year, but I believe back in 2006 disney actually bought the rights to oswald I they got, they got the rights back because they did make two video games with him and I think he is under their roster.
Speaker 2:I don't see how they wouldn't be able to, Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I believe it was. 2006 is when Disney bought back the rights to Oswald and so now he's technically under Disney. But yeah, I messed up back earlier on the parks, um, in 19,. In the 1950s they started expanding into the amusement parks and in on July 17th of 1955, they opened Disneyland in Anaheim, california. And then in 1965, disney started developing another park, which we all know is Disney World, and then that one actually opened in October 1st of 1971. So Walt was deceased because he died in 66, and they opened Disney World in 71. So he wasn't actually there for the opening, but he was the one who got it in motion and, uh, definitely expanded, like he started the expansion of the disneyland amusement parks, just wasn't around for the actual opening itself. Gotcha, have you? Have you been to any of the disney parks?
Speaker 2:unfortunately I have not. I know a lot of people that have been um and you know they say it's like one of the best experiences you know of your life, which I can believe you know, because just right, seeing the parks pictures of a video of it, it does sound like a, you know, very fun place to be and I think um interesting. The interesting thing about walt is that I think he he knew the company was going to go beyond him so he kind of planned for it like you know. He kind of like laid the groundwork for the company to you know last and like live on, you know, even when he's deceased, which is very interesting. You know um like uh, if you just look at some of his uh original videos that he when they were planning disney world and stuff like that, um right with the epcot center and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:He's like extremely passionate about it and like that's something that I think he's like extremely passionate about it and like that's something that I think is very admirable.
Speaker 1:You know, right, yeah, I've. I've been to disney world a few times. I believe the last time I went I think I was only 11 was the last time I've been to disney, so 20 years ago, right, um, you know it's been, it's been a minute, but I've never been to disneyland, which you know it's on one of my places to go yeah, this is off this off topic, but like a pet peeve of mine is when people take their infants to disney world.
Speaker 2:I'm like they're not gonna remember that for some reason. Like I, it's like I get it in a sense like okay, if you go with, like you know, your other kids and, like you know, your infant is with you or whatever, but it just like if you're just there and it's just like you have a one-year-old, I don't know how on earth they're going to remember that experience down the line.
Speaker 1:They definitely won't. But but I will say, um, I'll give you, I'll give you my opinion on that. So me, so me and my wife were thinking we wanted to, we wanted to take our son, um, my son's six now. But we were. This was probably when he was like three, right, um, obviously he's not going to remember much of it. Um, I also wanted to go, just because me, as an adult wanted to go, like I'm not not going to lie, uh, I love Disney. So me, as an adult, wanted to go. But the way I saw saw it too, like we knew he wouldn't remember it, but at the same time, at the age he was at, he was free to get in. Disney tickets are disney tickets are extremely, extremely expensive okay, I can feel that.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you're getting in for free right I can.
Speaker 1:I can understand that so that's, that's the way I looked at it. I was like, yeah, he's not really going to remember it, but I'm not dishing out a couple hundred dollars for my three-year-old to get into Disney where he's not going to remember it. You know Now, if we would have had to pay all the money for him to go and him not remember it, I wouldn't waste my time and money. I'd wait until he was old enough to appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Right, but that makes sense. That makes sense yeah.
Speaker 1:But since he would have been free and just solely based on the fact that I wanted to go to Disney, I could see where people bring their smaller children who won't remember it. But also on your point too, it's hard to hard to take, like what's the point if they're not going to remember it?
Speaker 2:I can feel it okay. It's like I'll backtrack a little bit. Okay if you take them at that young of an age and like, okay, if it's free, take the opportunity, but at least bring them back at some point. Like I've seen kids that have gone at that age. I've met friends that have gone at that age where it's just like they're toddlers and stuff like that, and then they didn't go for the rest of their childhood and I'm just like, so your parents brought you when you were like two years old and never took you back.
Speaker 2:It's just like I'm like at least do like a follow-up, you know, just so right later down the line, so they can more thoroughly appreciate it right, yeah, yeah, no, I know I get that for sure. Uh, yeah, going as a toddler, not remembering it, and then never going back as a child, and then like it would suck because it's like everybody told, it's like all your parents and like you know, everybody's just like yeah, you went to Disneyland. It's just like wait, what Right you? Don't remember Of course I don't remember.
Speaker 1:We have all those family photos. How do you not remember?
Speaker 1:You know, no, yeah, no. So, yeah, I can see both sides of it. But, like you said, at least take them back when they're old enough to appreciate it, you know, as a child, yeah, so, yeah, I definitely get it. But, yeah, so, jumping into some of the conspiracy theories, so I don't know what all you have down and what I have down have down and what I have down, and like, I have some like honorable mention ones which I'll throw my honorable mentions, and then if you have, if you have more in-depth details of any of the ones I mentioned, let me know. Okay, and then we'll. We'll go from there on those. But some some of the um, conspiracy theories or urban legends, if you want to call them, is, uh, one of them is like people go there to scatter ashes of family members around the park I've actually heard that and I I actually don't, I don't, I don't not believe that.
Speaker 2:I think that's actually fairly true.
Speaker 1:According to Disney and castmates of Disney, it is true and they even have a name for it. So if you're ever at Disney and you hear a cast member say, like paging over their walkies or whatever they carry around, white powder, that means that they saw someone or caught them on camera dumping ashes in the park.
Speaker 1:But, what's even more messed up about it is when they do dump these ashes, they don't stay there. When the castmates see it and um, they put out the white powder, call and everything. They bring it like a vacuum or like a room. They sweep them up, but then they just throw them away.
Speaker 2:So so what you're really doing is just like dumping your, your loved ones, ashes, just to be thrown away yeah so they don't even stay there yeah, and if you're, if you're at least in the florida, uh, disney world, uh, there, there's plenty of places around that area that are absolutely beautiful, where you can dump, uh your loved ashes, you know, for free, and not get, you know any getting any type of trouble. I don't know why people feel you know a need to do it at Disney world.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean. I mean, some people are diehard Disney people.
Speaker 2:It's like I understand that I get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2:But at the same time it's just like you got these kids next to you, like, hey, what are you doing? We're dumping our aunt's ashes out over Cinderella's castle, or something like that.
Speaker 1:It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's going a bit too far, and also.
Speaker 1:I could be wrong, but isn't dumping ashes in like a public place like that, illegal?
Speaker 2:I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 1:I thought it was.
Speaker 2:I could be wrong, I thought it was, though because, like technically, like, technically, like you know, if you were to go to like, I guess, like a lake or something, to spread ashes across the lake or something like that, I mean that's. I mean it's ashes, it's biodegradable, I mean it's like people do it all the time. There's nothing toxic about it. It won't hurt the fish or anything like that. So I don't think. I think if it is on the books, it's a very not enforced law, like people understand um right and I know, state by state everything varies, you know, right, um, you know.
Speaker 1:So I can't say for sure, like what the law would be in other states compared to, like you know, here or, uh, any other place I've been, but I can think, I would think that, um, if it is on the books, then something not very heavily enforced okay, yeah, that's that's what I would think too, because I do know people like take, take ashes to, like you said, lakes or like oceans and stuff like that, and people sprinkle their, their loved ones ashes in there, but for some reason I thought in like public places, like that it was technically illegal well, I think in the public, like, I guess, like what's your, it's like what is it like private property, private properties okay, yeah, private property, then yeah, if, if the, if the owner has an issue with it then it can be considered, like you know, okay yeah, I should, I should.
Speaker 2:I should have phrased it a little better than that yeah, if it's, if it's public property, I I highly doubt it was public property and it's not like somewhere like a library, like you're just dumping ashes in the library, like you know lobby or something like that.
Speaker 2:Nope, like like nobody's gonna grab you if it's at like a public park or something like that or a lake. But if, like, you're on somebody else's property, I know for sure that the property owner can like press charges or like get you fined somehow right especially if they were just like, especially if they didn't consent or approve of it, you know right, yeah, that that makes more sense.
Speaker 1:yeah, I should. I should have phrased it a little better than that of public property and private property, but yeah, so, yeah, it is actually a fact that people actually do go to Disney and spread ashes, which, like I, get the sentimental value of it because it's like that family member loved Disney, whatnot, but at the same time, like you, just basically what you're doing is just throwing their ashes in the garbage yes, essentially.
Speaker 2:Um, right, yeah, if you're a person that does that, you know, and that's the thing that that's on their will. They said spread my ashes at disney world. You might have to be just like. We can't oblige by that G. It's just like sorry.
Speaker 1:I'll take a fingerprint of your ashes and I'll drop them somewhere.
Speaker 2:At the most, like you know at the most. But if you dump the whole ashes that will end up in you know a vacuum bag somewhere.
Speaker 1:Right, all right. So the next one I have is that Walt Disney himself actually haunts his apartment on Main Street. That's interesting. I have not heard that one before.
Speaker 1:One of the housekeepers was up there cleaning after, after his passing. She was cleaning up the apartment, everything, and she turned off all the lights and she turned off the lamp that, like sits in the window. She goes down and as she's walking by she sees the light turned on, so, thinking that she just forgot to turn it off. She goes back up there, turns it off, goes back down, sees it back on again. So she goes up for a third time. She turns it off, but instead of leaving she waits and then all of a sudden the light turns back on. And then she ran out in a panic because, like any normal person would Like, if I see a light just turn on by itself, I getting the hell out of dodge and yeah, yeah, like not looking back.
Speaker 1:But so that happened and so it's rumored that he actually haunts his hotel room or his, uh, his apartment there on main street. But now they keep the lamp on 24 7 to honor the memory of walt disney. So so when I, when I read that because that was. This was the first time I had ever heard of that one too, because I know that I know they kept the light on, but I never knew the backstory of it. So do you do you think possibly they they keep it turned on 24 7 to honor his memory now, because of that fact, was he the one just like turning it on and instead of like keep going with like they being turned on and off, they just keep it on. Now, to like in his memory that's um.
Speaker 2:Now is this? Is this a place that you know? Is this apartment like? Is it somewhere that they they rent out, or is it like somewhere where people visit?
Speaker 1:I do not believe they rent his out because, um I know, at disney you can actually rent out the cinderella castle right like they have rooms in there that you can actually rent out for the night and stuff.
Speaker 2:But I believe his apartment on main street is strictly off limits okay, I, I don't know it's like, because I'm a bit conflicted, because while something like that does sound like, you know, a typical ghost encounter, um, it also sounds like a very great lore tactic to kind of just give more what's the word? Just add on to the legacy of Disney himself. You know, it's just like, oh, we keep the light there to, you know, satiate his ghost and stuff like that, and it's just like it is. It's kind of cool, you think about it. It's like you know.
Speaker 2:So like if you're, if you're like you know, just a Disney lover and you hear something like that and you're like like, oh man, that's fascinating, that's really interesting. I have to, like, you know, check that out next time I go. It's one of those things where it's just like it just benefits them. You know, right, because I've had, you know, slight paranormal experience. I think everybody has had at least one experience or two where it's just like okay, that was some shit that I cannot explain, you know right and uh, that you know.
Speaker 2:Uh, you said what was it? It was a maid um yeah, it was like a housekeeper yeah, and I I totally believe if, like you know, she had that type of experience, that it was valid. And who knows, maybe it was, it was, maybe it was most of the reason, maybe it was electricity or something like that. But I believe that her experience probably, you know, did shape her to think that OK, something's going on here. So no but whether or not it's true, it's really fascinating, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, I could, I could definitely see both, both sides of it's. True, it's really fascinating. Right, I could definitely see both sides of it. Yeah, exactly, but yeah, I thought it was an interesting thing because, like I said, I do know they keep that light on now permanently, but before they didn't. So I mean, I don't know. Like you said, it's it's super fascinating. I, I would like to believe it's true. You know, just just just because of the backstory. You know Walt Disney, you know turning on his light and stuff like that. I'd like to think it was true, but I thought I thought it was an interesting little urban legend conspiracy to throw in there. Yeah, exactly, but uh, yeah, I have a, I have a couple more and um, so another one is the uh, in a cast member hung themselves on the ride. It's a Small World. Do you know about that one?
Speaker 2:I have heard that one. I have not heard the details of that, though.
Speaker 1:Alright, so I'm not. I don't really believe this one. Okay, for a couple reasons. So there was a family in 99 who went to Disney. They were on the small it's a small world ride and they said all of a sudden that the ride stopped.
Speaker 1:The lights came on and cast members were coming to like usher them off the ride and stuff like that, usher them off the ride and stuff like that. And they said, uh, the mom had their vid, their their camera and she was just taking pictures before they left the ride. And on one of the pictures she took of, like, the ceiling where some of the animatronics are, she said in their picture they could see like a cast member who was wearing red overalls hanging up from the, uh, like the light fixtures. And then they said when they got out that there were ambulances and police cars inside of like the like right outside of the, the ride and stuff like that. The reason I don't believe it is because, according to many things I read and stuff like that, no castmates ever wore red overalls on that ride or in the in disney. A lot of people came out and said that was never a thing, that the red overalls, especially specifically for it's a small world ride.
Speaker 1:Never wore red overalls right I, like I said, it's been 20 years since I've been to disney. Um, I believe I rode the ride, but I'm definitely don't remember. I'm not going to remember what the hell the people were wearing. You know all right, so I, I for me, personally, I can't tell you if they ever wore red overalls or not, but from what I researched and stuff like that, that that was never a thing.
Speaker 1:But another one that really sells me on that it was fake is because they said that there was ambulances in cop cars outside of the ride. So where the park is positioned, where the ride is positioned in the park, is in the very back of the amusement park One Disney has a no-die-on-the-property clause. No one can die on their property. If something happens inside the park, they take them outside of the park. So they're technically not on Disney grounds. That's a known fact. Disney would actually allow an ambulance and cops to come inside the park instead of being outside of the back of the park, where the ride is actually located. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know, if that was the case, then why wouldn't they have them parked behind the park, where they're not in the plain sight of the public inside of the park?
Speaker 1:Exactly you know so that that one in there's no in in Disney has like a list of deaths at the park and whatnot. That one's not on there. So to me I it according to to sites it's been debunked, I believe it to be debunked, um, just from the facts of what I looked at and uh, I don't think that one actually happened there. I feel like that, I feel like they just trying to get, like I don't know, publicity, some shit like that. You know um, so yeah, I definitely don't believe, believe that one yeah, okay, cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that one sounds like you know kind of bs right and then um, so the last one I have is another death of a castmate. Who actually did you hear about the guy who died? The castmate who died on the Tower of Terror?
Speaker 2:I have yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was on like Platform D and supposedly it was a heart attack. And then now amongst the castmates because um on the tower of terror. Whenever you when um, when the the ride closes, the castmates working have to ride the ride and make sure like it's functioning right the lights, the electrical work, all is all working. But I guess among the castmates now no one is allowed to ride d alone because there were things that were happening like the lights would cut out on them and like a lot of paranormal things were happening and they believed it to be this castmate, the parks and whatnot. This was also never listed as a death, so a lot of people believe it to be a conspiracy or urban legend because there's no actual um evidence of this this happening.
Speaker 2:So that one, that one, I'm kind of um, I'm up in the air about yeah no because like, and then too, is like you know, the tower of terror, it's designed to be scary, you know? Is this designed to right? Yeah, so it's just like it. Are the people on there actually having these experiences where, you know, things are weird, weird things are happening, but is it a part of the ride or is it, you know, actually something paranormal?
Speaker 1:you know right and uh I will say, though, tower of terror was my favorite ride at disney. I love that ride, um.
Speaker 1:Do you remember the movie they made about the tower of terror with um steve grutenberger, whatever his name is, and, uh, kristen dunst yeah I love that movie, not even gonna lie, but but, yeah, like you said, um, it is, it is supposed to be a spooky ride and, like, if you saw the movie that we're talking about or just ever been to the ride, you know it's haunted, like supposedly haunted because there was an elevator crash and you, you know the gist of the, the ride and everything, right, right, um. So so, yeah, I found it interesting that one I'm kind of torn about because, um, it could have happened. Um, I know, upon my research, I never found anything that specifically said it was not true or said it was true, yeah, so so I found the list of, like, where it said, like, a death never occurred there. But then you got all like the on-hand testimonies of people who have worked on the ride and been there firsthand that have said that all this stuff has happened while they were on the ride and whatnot. So that one I'm gonna kind of leave up in the air, okay.
Speaker 1:So, but yeah, those, those are just my little, um, honor roll mentions before we jump into, like, the main conspiracies about disney. Okay, cool, um, some fun ones. But uh, all right, man, I'll let you, I'll let you open up the, uh, the bigger conspiracies. I'll let you start.
Speaker 2:It started off okay, um, one of the main conspiracy because, like I did have a couple smaller ones, but one of the main conspir cause, like I did have a couple smaller ones, but one of the main conspiracies that I've noticed, uh, about Disney and like, uh, this is more so, this is more so like a marketing conspiracy. Um, but you've heard of Disney vault, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, like so, disney, back in the day when people bought DVDs and VHS tapes long before Netflix, disney did this thing where they would release their classic movies Lady and the Tramp, snow White, aladdin, just all types of Disney films.
Speaker 1:The classics yeah, yeah, basically yeah.
Speaker 2:Classics, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, and they would do this limited time thing where it's just like, okay, uh, you, you have to buy it now because they're in scarce supply and it's going back into the vault, so-and-so, and the vault was pretty much where they would not produce any copies of this film or like this, uh, the series or whatever they were trying to sell you at that point and you'd have to, essentially, wait out. You'd have to wait to buy these, uh, these movies again, and they did this multiple times for multiple movies throughout the years and decades.
Speaker 2:Like they'll have one version of snow white where it's like a special edition, and then there's like a uh, a deluxe edition of snow white, and they'll keep saying, like it's going back into the vault. It's going back into the vault and like what economists, and like you know what people have like figured out is that it's essentially just a marketing scheme. So it's just, like you know, a, it's more of a um, it's a conspiracy, but it's based in like just grounded really in reality, because this is what companies do they want to make money. And you know, if you're a company and you have all this content right, these classic movies and stuff like that that aren't selling like they used to because they're old movies, how can you get people to buy them by making them seem more valuable than what they really are?
Speaker 2:not to say, like these, these films don't have any value, but it's just they're upping the value by creating this fake scarcity right right saying like, okay, if you don't buy fantasia in the next two weeks, we're gonna put it back in the vault.
Speaker 2:You're never gonna see it again. And it's just like so people would. I remember like people would rush and buy these movies and like I remember I had a friend and, like his mom, had like all these VHS tapes of these movies and because they came out with so many different editions, nowadays if you find certain editions of these vhs or dvds they can be worth a pretty penny, because the irony is they the fake scarcity that they created actually did create value because over the years these vhs tapes gets, they get destroyed, they get broken, they get lost, and so you only have like a real handful of these uh movies from a bygone era, from like the vhs and dvd era. So they're actually worth a significant amount of money, you know right and that's, that's what that's.
Speaker 2:What's really fascinating to me, um, is that you know they actually did create this, uh, and this kind of like market and this mini economy based around the rarity of these films. Because I've seen people like you know, on Craigslist and stuff like that they'll say, hey, we have these old Disney films you know for sale. If you want to give us like 20 bucks, we'll have, like you can have the whole box. If you want to give us like 20 bucks, we'll have, like you can have the whole box, and then one or two of those movies might be worth, you know, a thousand dollars or two thousand dollars or what have you, based just on the rarity you know right and you know, I, I just find that, like, I, those, those are the ones that are like grounded just really in reality, that I really find uh, likely, uh, because I just like again, there's no reason for disney to create this fake skin.
Speaker 2:They say going into the vault, like what does that mean, you know right?
Speaker 1:so I, remember, I remember the commercials, yeah, of uh, of the videos, and they're like get it before it's in the vault and it's gone forever you know exactly, I remember it's gone forever yeah, I remember, I, I, I like, if I close my eyes and I picture it, I remember the voice, I remember how it looked and everything. And they're like buy it now, before it's in the vault forever and whatnot. And yeah, like I'll give it to disney's marketing team like, yeah, that's genius yeah, that is.
Speaker 2:It's like they had a bunch of ad execs just sit down and just come up with a literal I mean because, like again, this is a conspiracy, technically, like it's just like they come up with this idea and they just said, hey, we're just going to create fake value. And because what it?
Speaker 2:did was it put a lot of these older films that weren't selling back into the limelight. You know it's like, imagine, like watching lady and the tramp when it came out as a kid, and then you know, decades later they're reselling it on vhs or dvd and you're okay that's my nostalgia, because you know. You know our parents and our grandparents. They went there. They went through their nostalgia crazes too.
Speaker 2:You know where it's like we, we, we like everything that's retro and stuff like that. They went through that phase as well, so that was marketing towards them too, you know, because like okay, I can buy this movie and I can make my kids watch it and they can appreciate the old classics and stuff like that. And yeah, it was really really clever. But, um, that's one of the main ones I have.
Speaker 1:Uh, you mind if I throw out like a couple mini ones before I get back into some main ones yeah, uh, real quick though, but like you were saying, yeah, that's, that's just like marketing genius right there, and uh, I actually had like I don't have them, but I believe my sister does, because she had kids before I did. But we still have some of our old disney vhs tapes oh yeah yeah, we still have some, so I'm wondering if any of those are worth any you you might.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna look into that yeah, look into it, man, and it's like because, uh, they, there were certain ones that you know, um right, that are more valuable than others, because, again, they would do, they would do this multiple times for multiple films, and some, uh, disney vault promotions were longer than the others, and, um, they, they created more, uh copies for some films than other films.
Speaker 1:So, right, so, yeah, they're definitely you could be sitting on a pretty penny, you know I mean I may have to see if my sister's I'm pretty sure she still has them uh, yeah, I'm gonna have to take a look at those and yeah yeah, see what I can find.
Speaker 1:But but yeah, I remember in, uh, I even remember on, like right, when DVDs were coming out, they were still releasing them from the vault and stuff like that. So I remember on the DVD packaging like um, released from the vault, and all this stuff and like get it before it's back. But I mean now we have Disney plus, so like like they're all remastered and stuff like that. But but yeah, that like just the just the marketing aspect of that and like to stir up the craze of people buying it now, and then when they re-release it from the vault it's a new edition of it or whatnot, and so people would go out and buy that version of it too exactly because because I me personally, like my I have a big DVD collection.
Speaker 1:I have multiple DVDs of the same movie but that were released different covers and special features in them and stuff like that. So I am one person who actually has gone out and bought different versions of the same movie for the different aspects of the same movie, for the different aspects of how they, they remarketed the movie, you know but uh, but yeah it's genius idea.
Speaker 1:Um, one hell of a way to get make money, because I mean, now we're in the the like the times of streaming, so everything, everything's streamed now, basically. But back then it wasn't. So they had to make money and keep making money. So that was a pretty damn clever way of being able to still profit off the same movie, if you will, you know yeah that's a pretty good one.
Speaker 2:I definitely believe in that conspiracy of it, if you want to call it a conspiracy yeah, it's more grounded in reality, but it's just something that you know because again the conspiracy is. I guess you would say it's more grounded in reality, but it's just something that you know because again the conspiracy is. I guess you would say it's just the manipulation aspect of it, because it's it's not them outright lying to you, it's just them creating a false.
Speaker 2:You know narrative of it a false narrative, a false scarcity of these products that they easily could just you know. Either narrative, a false scarcity of these products that they easily could just you know, uh, either produce and sell or or produce on demand. That was. The whole thing was that they were saying like, okay, it's gonna go in the vault and we're not gonna be able to make it. It's like what, what's stopping you from doing that?
Speaker 1:right, you know, yeah, like, why can't you make more copies of it?
Speaker 2:exactly that was exactly the thing, um, but uh. So yeah, just to go to like a couple of the smaller ones before we start go back into some big ones yeah, yeah uh, now you heard the, the conspiracy that, uh, walt disney is frozen, right. Yep, that's the classic one, right?
Speaker 1:that's. That's like the main conspiracy of Disney.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So a mini conspiracy from that is, when you enter Disney Frozen, right, what pops up is Frozen, the movie with Anna and Elsa. So the mini conspiracyconspiracy is that Disney created Frozen or named Frozen to counter that conspiracy. When you start searching it online and what's fascinating to me is that what makes me think that this may be true is that the original name for Frozen was the Ice Queen, so it was named Ice Queen before it suddenly became Frozen. So I'm like, why did you change the name? What was the point the name change? So it's just like was this like an effort to kind of just like you know, counter those like you know searches or anything like that? So that's something I feel like you know could, or anything like that. So, uh, that's something that I feel like you know could have a little bit of truth to it, but it's just like a mini conspiracy that you know I don't have too much evidence for other than you know a couple people, you know, just guessing it.
Speaker 2:Um, there's also the uh conspiracy theory, that, uh, that, why there aren't any, why there aren't any mothers in a lot of Disney films. Have you heard that?
Speaker 1:oh, upon my research, I came across a video that that mentioned this, but I didn't, I didn't really dive deep into it. Did it have? Did it have something to do with his actual mother? Yes, um, okay, uh. So I I know he felt guilty for his mother passing. Yes, he, he blamed he because because I believe they're like something to do with their house and, um, something, something was supposed to get fixed in his house and he had set it up to be fixed but it never got fixed properly and his mother ended up passing from asbestos, if I remember correctly, and he, he blamed himself for that yes um okay, that's that has a.
Speaker 2:That's a strong aspect as to why people think this theory is true. Because, uh, and they think, like you know, because, up until that point, um, because not only is, it was not only the films before, um, where either, if you notice, either the protagonist does not have a mother or their mother dies, like in bambi, right, right, so bambi, bambi's mom gets killed by man, right, and I think in dumbo, if I'm remembering correctly, dumbo gets separated from his mother I believe so it's been.
Speaker 2:It's been a while since I've seen dumbo, but I believe that's right yeah, so you have these, you know, uh, these characters you know, and then you do you have characters that don't have any mother, like you know, pinocchio, and stuff like that. And then afterward, after disney's death, the films that come after, like you know, no, um, I'm sorry, like um, uh, little mermaid ariel has no mother, uh, right, beauty and the beast, uh, bell has no mother. In um, aladdin, uh, uh, jasmine has no mother. And then pocahontas, uh, pocahontas, uh, she also has no mother. That's present and it's just a trope, like at this point, right and right. So that's the.
Speaker 2:So the idea is that these renaissance film that came after disney died, they felt like the, the ideas that they were paying homage to, uh, disney's mom, or disney's mom, you know, the fact that he, that she died and that disney felt guilty about it and continuing this trend of having mothers either not being a picture or mothers being taken out of the picture, right, um, so what was?
Speaker 2:So I don't know if, like, I could say this is like true, because I think it has a lot to do with creator intentions, right, like you know how much of a hand you know, did you know waltz have in like the story and the narrative of, like you know, the films prior to his death and how much you know of the writing and the story of the renaissance films. You know, because I, I would argue, the renaissance films pay pay more homage to the trope than the the pre-disney death films. Uh, so it's like, were the creators actively thinking about this? And like you know, um, so when you kind of like research it and like read up on it, a lot of the writers and like creators say that it's a tactic to get the main character to mature more. Right, right, your films, then it's a lot easy, easier and makes more sense, logically, for these characters to go and miss adventures.
Speaker 2:Right, because if you have parents, then you know, if you have, like, a set appearance, it's like okay, no, you're not doing this, right, you're not you're not going out, but, like, if you have a character that doesn't have that type of direction and doesn't have, you know, parents that are actively trying to stop them, then it's a lot easier for these characters to get mischief. If and that's the idea, you know, or that's the, that's the narrative that some writers, uh, disney writers that have a pitch that is a it's a technique used to get the characters in these situations or mature them faster. So I don't know, I'm just curious as to what your thoughts were on that man.
Speaker 1:I mean that if you think about it, it makes sense. You know, um, about like his mother passing and then him, like all these disney movies, never having mothers in there, especially since he because, uh, everything I read told me that like, he felt extremely guilty about the passing of his mother. He thought it was his fault because he hired the company to come in and fix their house and it didn't get fixed properly and so his mother ended up dying. So he, he felt extremely guilty of his mother passing. So like, when it comes down to it, I'm sure walt disney had a big say. I know he didn't write the movies himself, but I'm sure he had a say in every movie that was produced when he was still alive like, if you think about it too, it's like you're alive, right?
Speaker 2:and you're right you lost your mom right and yeah you're. You're creating these films that are designed to be happy and stuff like that, and then you see the main character with a mom. I don't know, maybe that, maybe that triggered him in a way, maybe that kind of just upset him to where he's just like no, no, just cut the mom out, completely right right um, and like, who knows, maybe maybe that has some merit.
Speaker 2:Maybe there was like some type of unspoken rule going forward to not include mothers as much in the films after he passed, you know, as a way to honor that. Or maybe it was just something that you know the animators and team decided because they knew he hurt from that a lot, so they went forward without including a lot of mom because, like you, really don't see a lot of, like again, mom characters. I mean like, especially in the disney renaissance movies, like nowadays, like you know, you're seeing a re-emergence of motherly characters in disney films today, you know, but it was like right after you know, disney's death and like you know, uh, in the uh, subsequent decade, you know, after his death, with the renaissance, um, you had a lot of films that did not have motherly characters at all in them. And uh, like again, like even tarzan, uh, right, tarzan's parents get killed, like in the first couple minutes, I think what was her name?
Speaker 2:Jane with her father, her mother isn't present.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You see this a lot with those films. It's just really intriguing. I think it bled into Pixar a little bit too, because Finding Nemo, nemo's mom gets eaten. Nemo's mom and his like siblings are murdered by a barracuda in the first five minutes of the movie. And it's just like so. Yeah, it's like there is an extreme aversion to moms, for some reason, with this company, you know.
Speaker 1:Right conversion to moms for some reason with this company, you know right? Yeah, um, I mean obviously walt disney's past, so we'll never know for sure because we can't get his opinion on it. But yeah, I, I mean it totally makes sense if you think about it like that conspiracy, that I believe that conspiracy could hold up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:In that aspect.
Speaker 2:I think it holds somewhat. I won't say it applies to every single film that does not feature a mother Right. I think if it was true for Walt and he actually was actively influencing the movies and trying to exclude the mother, actively influencing the movies and trying to exclude the mother I think it would have trickled down into, like you know, the movies after his death, with some animators actively trying to honor. You know what he wanted, you know in the films at that time.
Speaker 2:So I can definitely see that having you know, some truth to it, you know. But I also understand some writers may have not actually intended that to be the case and they're just writing from a uh, convenience type standpoint. But I think, like you know, I think, I think, I think it does, you know, match up especially, like you know, like you said, like with walt feeling so much guilt over his mother's death.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, you know what? I'm going to say I believe in that conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, If I haven't bet $20, I put my money on this one man.
Speaker 1:I believe that because it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:It does, it does.
Speaker 1:So I think there's enough credit and merit to that conspiracy that we could say that's probably the case. And, like you were saying, in today's age, even though Walt's no longer with us, but a lot of Disney movies still continue that aspect of having no mother around. Not all of them. There are mothers in some of them, but a lot of them still don't have mothers. So I believe that could just be their. What's the word? I'm looking for, their acknowledgement or respect for walt disney, that they just kept up with that, that kind of storyline, throughout each movie right you know.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I, I could, I could 100 believe, believe that one yeah yeah, um, but another.
Speaker 2:Uh, I knock out some more mini ones that I had, um. Another one was uh, it's kind of silly, but uh, it's a walt disney world theory and uh is it. The argument is like the 3 pm parade is designed to make kids cranky, so parents leave and come back the next day. Uh, and I have not heard this one uh, yeah, it is, it was one of the ones I had. It's one of the more obscure ones. I had to like dig in some forms, right.
Speaker 2:But uh, to me it kind of made because, like, their argument was like, okay, because the 3 pm parade is usually on main street and main street is usually near the exit, um, right, the idea is that you know, the the toddlers would be just so irritated by that point um either waiting for the parade or actually having to wait on the parade, that you know they'll throw a tantrum and then the parents have to leave and then come back the next day, you know, to end off on a good note, or what have you, um, and like, you know, with the design of like, just how much design goes into, like, you know, marketing and like, how, especially when it comes to children, uh, I, I, I, I lean that this may be possibly true.
Speaker 2:Uh, in a way, because if have you ever heard like, you're like supermarkets, right, when you go into the checkout line and then there's a bunch of candy and stuff like that, that's there. So your kid, so you're stuck in line and your kid's seeing all this candy, that's, that's by design, that's, that's right. That's to get your kid to be like mommy, I want a snickers, mommy, I want, you know, reese's.
Speaker 2:It's either to get your kids to be like that or it's to, you know, tempt you, you know it's like oh man, maybe I can just grab a snickers, or maybe I can grab a honey bun or something like that and then check out right yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:I think it's called like add-on sales or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, um yeah, because we do it at home, at home depot yes, yes, uh, you're talking about that like uh, yeah, so yeah, that's definitely a thing, because it's just like where you you're and like these snacks are bright, they're colorful you know, and not only like.
Speaker 2:Not only would that attract the attention of an adult, it will especially attract the attention of a child. You know, and not only and like. Not only would that attract the attention of an adult, it will especially attract the attention of a child. You know, right, so you have these bright colors and then it's just like if your kid throws a tantrum, it's like you know, hey, you know, just just give, just buy it for them so they can just shut the hell up right that's the goal is like you're already boxed in, so you're under social pressure to get your kid to stop crying while you're in line.
Speaker 2:So you just go ahead and cave and you buy them candy, right? So that makes me think that this is possible, you know because, like there would definitely be a benefit to clearing out. You know a good chunk of like you, you know the, the people there, and then having them come back the next day because you know who wants to leave Disney world on a bad. On a bad note, right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Get those a tantrum and then, like you know, they leave Disney world. You don't want your kid's memory of Disney world to be them leaving while they're crying, you know. Right so obviously you're going to be like, okay, we'll just come back tomorrow and we'll do something else, and blah blah. So it makes a little bit of sense to me it does yeah, so I think that would be something that would be very plausible. There's also another conspiracy that I have with just the like. You know what? The Disney Renaissance is right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, like people say that it started with the Little Mermaid, correct?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But it's like just more of like an argument rather than, I guess, a conspiracy is that the Disney Renaissance actually started with Oliver and Company, and Really, yes, I guess a conspiracy, is that the?
Speaker 2:Disney Renaissance actually started with Oliver and Company? Really yes, and I staunchly, I will fight people tooth and nail about this, because Oliver and Company, I think, set a lot of tropes for Disney Renaissance films going forward. If you look at the musicals that were in it, then it's a retelling of a popular tale. Oliver and Company is obviously Oliver Twist. It's a remake of Oliver Twist A lot of musical elements and the fact that it came out late 80s, around the same time that, you know, the little mermaid came out. I think this was when disney actually started the renaissance. But because little mermaid was the smash hit, right, people just go.
Speaker 2:people just go with the little mermaid, which I feel is unfair to oliver and company, because I feel like it set a lot of the standards. Uh, because, again, like around that time, like you know, disney a lot of people don't know Disney was actually struggling, you know, prior to this Disney Renaissance. That's why it's called Disney Renaissance. It's like they had movies like what was it?
Speaker 2:the Black Cauldron and, I think, the Sword in the Stone or something like that yeah, and these were movies that you know in hindsight were actually fairly decent and okay, but they weren't big hits at the time. You know, disney was actually going into a little bit of a darker territory with their storytelling and stuff like that and it did not appeal to audiences. So again, like with Oliver and Company, you had, you know, sword and Stone and Black Cauldron, these very dark films and stuff like that, and then you have this bright film about puppies and stuff like that and cats and stuff, and I think it was Disney attempting to change their direction to tell more positive beat stories compared to these darker, more mature stories, you know, and uh.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's, that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1:I just I want to hear your thoughts, man yeah, um, going back real quick about the like the parade and stuff like that, um, what I was thinking of is they're called impulse buys. So when you're at, like what you were saying at the grocery store and stuff like that, they're called impulse buys because you see them and you're just like, oh, it's a little impulse, so, yeah, I could fully see them doing the parade at that time. Just because I don't, are you a parent yourself?
Speaker 2:I am not. I've worked with children for years, but I'm not a parent myself.
Speaker 1:Okay, I am, I have a six year old. So, and before before I was a parent, I've been in situations where I would you. You hear a toddler, just like, screaming and crying, and you're just like, oh my God, make it stop. And then, as you become a parent, your your narrative switches and you're just like, oh my God, make it stop. And then, as you become a parent, your narrative switches and you're just like, oh my God, I don't want these people like you know, like yeah, like control your kid, and stuff like that. It's totally different when you're a parent. It is. It's totally different when you're a parent.
Speaker 1:Being in a big family place, big crowded place, like Disney, and having a three or four year old like just screaming at the top of their lungs, like most, like some people don't give a shit, but most parents I'm one of those parents will like I think about other people sometimes. Sometimes I'll think about other people's like thoughts and stuff like that, and I'm like I'll think about other people's thoughts and stuff like that and I'm like I don't want my son screaming at the top of his lungs and these other people next to me into their ears while they're trying to enjoy the parade, you know. So I could 100% see families leaving at that time to calm their kids down and then bringing them back the next day to finish up. A lot of stuff to do at disney.
Speaker 2:You can't exactly and like what you know interesting about the 3 pm parade is that you know parents when they come back, they know to avoid it, you know, so it's just like you know, oh crap it's about to be that parade. My kid's about to go off I'm we're gonna leave while he's still happy right, right so it's like so, it's like they've learned.
Speaker 2:You know a trick, you know it's just like okay, the 3pm is going to be when they start, you know, getting really antsy and really frustrated and fussy so we're going to go before then or do something else, and then we'll have the end of the day on a good note and in their memory, with Disney on a good note and so like, yeah, I definitely think that's like a thing you know, the day on a good note and in their memory, with disney on a good note and so like, yeah, I know, I definitely think that's like a thing you know, because, again, it's just like it's like people spend millions of dollars designing things for no reason, right right people don't go to, you know, school, school for years learning about advertising and human psychology, for no reason.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like even down to. I think there was like uh, what was it like? I think the the products, when, when you're placing things on the shelves, the products like there's a certain area that like gets the person's eye a lot easier and that's where the money is. And like companies pay for that space to have their products on there and whereas other companies will pay less money to have their products on like the bottom of the shelf or like at the top of the shelf and stuff like that. So no, there's a lot of like effort and stuff that goes into it.
Speaker 1:Man but yeah, I could 100 see that being a thing of, while they do it at 3 o'clock Just to bring back families like that. Yeah, I definitely see it. But jumping back into the Renaissance, I could see it actually starting with Oliveriver and company, you know, and not the little mermaid yeah, the little mermaid brought disney in a lot more money. Yeah, then then oliver and company did.
Speaker 2:But I liked oliver and company, I thought it was a good movie I did too, and I I say obviously I'm not saying like the little mermaid isn't like the little mermaid. No, it's a classic, I mean classic, it's more iconic and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:But I think again, like you know, I think the Oliver and company kind of, like you know, just laid the foundation for what the Renaissance would later become. Because, like you said, you know, prior to Oliver and company there weren't a lot of Disney films utilizing musical numbers, you know, the color palette was extremely darker compared to Oliver and Company, you know. And then afterwards you had a lot of movies follow this same trope, you know, of having colorful palettes and then these musical numbers and then these upbeat goofy characters and stuff like that. So I feel like you know, it doesn't get us, uh, respect in the terms of, like you know, how influential it was for the company. You know, I feel like they just write that to the little mermaid.
Speaker 2:And again, the little mermaid is iconic in its own right, obviously, but um, yeah, it's uh, because again, the little mermaid essentially started the Disney princess line. But yeah, that's just something else I just found interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never heard. I've never heard that one or thought about that one that way.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and that's interesting. Another fun fact about the Disney Renaissance is that a lot of people were putting their money on Pocahontas over the Lion King. Some of Disney's best animators and executives and stuff like that were really thinking Pocahontas was going to be it. They thought Pocahontas was going to be a classic compared to the Lion King. In a way Pocahontas is kind of a classic, but it doesn't compare to the Lion King in the slightest.
Speaker 1:No, look at the Lion King. They've already made Pocahontas. They made sequels to as well, but they haven't. They haven't made like a reboot of it exactly, you know, it's just like they had the lion king. Lion king's been on broadway. You've had reboots. Um, yeah, it's, it's definitely. And I liked pocahontas, don't get me wrong. Um, I'm native american myself, so, like, pocahontas was my sister's favorite princess because we're native american, so that was always my sister's favorite, but it it wasn't as big as the lion king.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know yeah and like and again, again, it was a very. It was a strong movie in its own right, but it's just it was interesting to see, like how people just brushed off, you know, a Lion King, it's just like it was just people weren't expecting that movie to take off, because I think one it was. It was mostly animals, there was no humans, whereas other did. All the other disney renaissance films, save for oliver and company, have humans in them. You know, right and uh, the lion king excluded humans completely. You know, it was just about these talking animals.
Speaker 2:You know, in africa that you were going around singing and stuff like that and like, but it worked, you know it, right, it was, it was, it was phenomenal and uh, I think, uh, what's interesting is that, you know, uh, it's, it's one of those movies that, again, like, it lasted a while. And another fun fact is that the the singing voice I think I don't know if he was, I don't know if he was actually the young voice too, for Simba and the singing voice for young Simba, but I know for sure the singing voice for Simba.
Speaker 2:He was offered, I think, around 5 million up front for his role, something like that yeah, and then his mom had convinced him to take residuals from it instead of the five million and he said he pretty much he doesn't necessarily live off it, but it pretty much supplements his income. To this day he's still collecting checks from his voice as Simba, like you know. An's still collecting checks from his voice as simba, like you know, a odd 20 something years ago, you know. And that's crazy, you know, because it's just like it's just a testament to how relevant the the film is.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, uh, real quick to backtrack, I think I may have messed up. Did didn't? Did they not make a live action pocahontas?
Speaker 2:they did not. Uh, did they not I thought they were they going to I I don't see the problem with the problem with pocahontas is that I don't know if, with the political climate we have today, I don't know if that movie would like kind of fly over as well, yeah, it probably would not, to be honest, to be honest like yeah, I mean, I mean, like you know, not, not to get too political, but I don't think right fly over, as well as some of the other films, because, again, those films are pretty much absence of any political commentary, whereas pocahontas is full of that, like you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, like the, the core conflict, you know, between the natives and, like you know, the, the uh, yeah yeah, yeah, the Europeans, I mean it's yeah, so I they would have had, you're right they would have had a task in trying to make that something that would have satisfied everybody, and I think they would have failed miserably yeah, just my opinion.
Speaker 1:You're right. Uh, I was right the first time. They didn't make one, but for some reason, as we were talking, I thought they may have made like a live action, because I know they did a live action to the lion king.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, but it's possible that yeah, it's possible that some other company may have made Pocahontas, because I know for sure that Snow White has been remade into a live action by other companies other than Disney. Because Snow White is, you know, a public domain. You know the character isn't owned by anybody. And the same thing, you know, with Pocahontas. Pocahontas is based off a real person, so technically anybody can make a movie about Pocahontas, way, you know, with um pocahontas.
Speaker 1:Pocahontas is based off a real person, so technically anybody can make a movie about pocahontas, you know yeah, yeah, you're right, for for some reason I thought maybe they did, maybe maybe it was in the works at one point, I don't know. But um, but yeah, going back to the lion king, it's just um, but you, you like you were saying about the voice actors in it, um, they did. They did have two different actors doing the voice and the singing. Now, the voice of Simba was Jonathan Taylor Thomas from Home Improvement.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay, Gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1:He did the voiceovers, now the singing. Do you remember the TV show Smart Guy?
Speaker 2:Yes, I do.
Speaker 1:You know the older brother, marcus, uh-huh, jason weaver, his, his actual name is jason we he did the singing voices okay, because that's the one I'm thinking of yep and it. It was his mom or his dad. One of them told him not to take the, the five million or whatever they offered them pretty I'm.
Speaker 2:I I'm pretty sure it was his mom.
Speaker 1:Okay. I know it was one of them.
Speaker 2:I think he said his mom had some experience in show business herself. And so she had learned that it's better to get paid over time than all that was up front. So he said that he took her advice Because it went from I think it was it was five million up front compared to 100 000, you know okay he got paid 100 000 plus residuals, you know, so right, and he said he's made his money back from oh, for sure yeah, he's made his money back, especially with how, how massive, because I remember like on top of that, not only were these films extremely popular, but the soundtracks they sold like hotcakes the residuals.
Speaker 1:And because his mom and it's weird that you mention this, because I read this not that long ago, I read an article about it, not even doing research for this that when he was talking to his mom about it, she told him that, like, disney is well known for making remakes and like reboots and stuff like that, so that's why she told him to take, like, the residual deal, the royalty deal, instead of all the money up front, because disney's known for making like yeah, like remaking movies, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And and she knew the lion king would be one of those movies exactly so and yeah, I mean like, like you said he's, he's like not making millions, but like it's keeping him afloat yeah, no, definitely, I mean, I would love you know, to get a random check for some work that I did years ago right that, that, that, that is that is love.
Speaker 1:Right there, it's like, so he's like shout out to his mom like that was some very intelligent because, because you know, the checks aren't like probably a lot of money, but they're definitely not a low amount of money yeah, exactly, I mean you know, like I mean because it's probably paying his rent.
Speaker 2:No, I guarantee, I guarantee you it pays his rent somewhere I, I, you know, I mean it probably pays that and probably a little bit more than that, and because, like probably because, like with in just in the 2000s, you know, again, like I said, back to the disney vault, they were re-releasing the lion king over and over again. Yeah, they was like okay, it's going in the vault and we're taking it out of the vault, it's going back in the in the vault, and they were doing this for 15 years back and forth.
Speaker 2:And so, on top of that too, the album sales for the soundtrack, and then the fact that Radio Disney used to be a thing and they would play their on their radio tracks and stuff like that. And so he, he, I, I thoroughly believe he made his money back.
Speaker 1:And then some, you know for sure, because because, yeah, not only is he getting, like the, the royalties from the movie, but since he was the singing voice, right, he's on the soundtrack as well. I I guarantee you he's.
Speaker 2:He's made more than jonathan taylor thomas over time as him playing the voice, as opposed to jason weaver being the the singer I would not deny that, because again, uh, because on top of that, you know this it's like the anytime it plays on tv. You know that's that's a check anytime you know someone buys a dvd.
Speaker 2:That's a check. I mean, I don't know how streaming works, but I imagine they've negotiated something with streaming, like if right watches it, you know then, and like, maybe if they watch it all the way through, then maybe that he gets a, he gets a chunk of change for that too right because because, like we mentioned earlier, we have disney plus now, so I'm I'm wondering if they may, like they put it in some kind of contract or deal that, like every time that movie is streamed on disney plus yeah, because I mean because it had to, because I I'm pretty sure he's not the only one getting residuals from that film.
Speaker 2:So everybody probably went to Disney and said we need to work something out about this streaming stuff.
Speaker 1:I know damn well, I would've keep the money flowing yeah, I want that money. That's crazy to think about, but yeah, I mean that's crazy to think about, but yeah, I mean shit.
Speaker 2:Honestly, that's the bulk of what I have in regards to conspiracies.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I think we covered a good chunk, man Right.
Speaker 1:Do you have time to do a couple more?
Speaker 2:I do. I mean, if you're game for it I'm game for it.
Speaker 1:I'm always game for it, man. Um, that's part of my show. Um, yeah, I actually have like a, a handful, like probably like two more, two, three more okay, cool um, so one I want one. One of the bigger ones I want to jump into is the skeletons in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the someone in Montreal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it started out as a conspiracy, but I don't know if you can really call it a conspiracy anymore, because it actually has been proven true.
Speaker 2:Oh, it has.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I, I, I and like okay, because I've seen that conspiracy, I've seen it on like a listicle, you know, just like one of these lists where it's just like the, you know the skulls aren't supposedly real and I thought that was such bullshit. I just kept scrolling.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know, I didn't even read it. It is real. That is so crazy, let me. Let me break it down real quick. So when they started to do the pirates of the caribbean ride, the the skeletons they made for it looked way too fake, like it was too fake for their liking. So what Disney did was contact UCLA's medical center and told them they were making the ride and whatnot, and asked them if they had any skeletons, any skeletons, which? Another thing I found is that a lot of the skeletons that they got from ucla medical center were death row inmates who donated their bones to science. Oh yeah, so so when this ride, so when pirates of the caribbean opened up and you're riding this ride, the majority, like the skeletons you're seeing, are real and they're like death row inmates but in a sense that kind of fits in with the vibe right he kind of does, if you think about it yeah, it's like because you have these criminals and like you know it's like it's a pirate right.
Speaker 2:So it's like it's kind of fitting in a way, but it's still right.
Speaker 1:It's still a weird me out right, but but it kind of gets even more crazier. So the skeletons were real, but as time goes by, as you know, like, like our technology, everything gets better. Yeah, right. So as time went by, they were able to the the, the M what did they call them? Ammonitrometers or something like that. Yeah, they get better over time. So they were actually able to make fake skeletons that looked more realistic. Ah, okay, so they did change them out over time. But, um, I know you've never been to disney and stuff like that, but as you're riding the ride, there's one where you're looking over the captain's bed and there's skulls over the captain's bed.
Speaker 1:To this day, those are actual skeleton remains of a human person man, that's crazy and it's it's it's believed that the the skeleton remains are someone who worked on the ride and he was so invested in disney and loved disney that he put in his will that he wanted his skeleton to be the one that was up over the captain's bed. So so to this day, when you're riding that ride and you're, you're going by the captain's bed and, oh man, examined, like the, the bones from the ride and he concluded that at least three more of the, the the skeleton remains, are actual human. So disney came out and said that they replaced all the the skeleton remains with fake ones that they were actually able to make realistic, besides the cap, the ones above the captain's bed. But this scientist actually came out there and said that there are actually at least three more skeleton remains that are throughout the ride that's crazy right, that's crazy, and I had never heard that one either, um, until I started doing the research and stuff like that and like so.
Speaker 1:like having one skeleton remain in there is wild enough for today's day and age.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But with this insider coming out and saying at least three more are actual human remains, is wild to me. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's crazy yeah, so I mean, who, who knows if they actually are, besides the ones above the captain's bed? But like I don't know that, that'd be crazy. Just to be on a ride and like rolling through and then you see all these skeleton remains and like their actual human remains from skeleton, from people, right, you know?
Speaker 2:uh, I don't know, it's crazy to me yeah, that definitely adds to the you know uh eeriness of the ride. You know it's just uh, yeah, that's right, crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, I thought that was an interesting conspiracy, so, like, I believe it to be true. I mean no reason to lie about that. I mean obviously, but as far as the three other remains go, who knows if they're actually remains or if they are still there? At the time because this was this was years ago when this insider reported that the skeleton remains, there were actually three more, right? So I mean by now, by now 2021, disney could have replaced all those exactly, yeah and like with um them.
Speaker 2:Like with the parks closing down for covid I, they probably had the time to do so.
Speaker 1:Right, who knows if today they are. But this was only not even 10 years ago that it came out that at least three more skeleton remains were actual human remains. Me personally, I find it kind of cool, to be honest, um, no being being that they were donated to science. You know, like if they, if disney, just contacted some medical center and be like, hey, we need some remains, like illegally, to put in a ride, that'd be kind of messed up.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah. It's not like you know, they put the bones of their enemies up there. It's like whose bones is that the last person that talked shit about us? It's just like no, it's just some bones that they got from a medical center to add to the authenticity.
Speaker 1:and, like you know, right, that's so you know, yeah, so. So back then I I would have found it kind of cool, like those are actual skeleton remains, you know, but today probably wouldn't fly as well as back to back in what like this when did I say the first park opened? Uh, the 50s?
Speaker 2:today somebody will complain somebody is gonna say that's just how it is nowadays. It's like uh somebody's going to be upset about it for some reason. It doesn't matter, right?
Speaker 1:karen's gonna get on the road the ride and feel like those that skeleton looks too real for my liking.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly, there's going to be no satiating people nowadays.
Speaker 1:I found that kind of interesting that they used actual remains donated by UCLA's medical center and the fact that they were death row inmates. A lot of them were death row inmates yeah, A lot of them were. They said so I I definitely found that interesting. Another conspiracy that I found interesting which ties in to the Illuminati, because I find the Illuminati very interesting. I love talking about the Illuminati and shit like that, but you know, club 33, disney's exclusive club I am actually not familiar with that oh really I am not okay, so so club 33 is an exclusive club for, like, rich members of disney, right?
Speaker 1:so so you buy into this and I actually have like. So Club 33 you have to buy into. It is a $25,000 to $50,000 initiation fee and then you have to pay $30,000 a year to keep your membership.
Speaker 2:Oh damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and on top of that it's a 10 to 15 year waiting list.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's a very, very exclusive, exclusive club and Walt Disney died six months before this club was actually rolled out. Disney died six months before this club was actually rolled out, so he he was Walt Disney himself was actually not able to see the club 33 come into to Disney, but it is there and I remember I actually remember this from being at Disney World I remember seeing doors that say club 33, but you have to be an exclusive member to enter those and it's like restaurants and like bars and stuff like that that the like, the richer customers can actually go into if you're a member and drink and order food, but club 33 people Um, I don't know if you ever read into this but people believe that Walt Disney was a.
Speaker 2:Freemason.
Speaker 1:Gotcha which if you, how much knowledge do you have on Illuminati and Freemasons?
Speaker 2:I know a bit. Um, I know the problem with the illuminati is that a lot of it is grounded in a lot of uh, truth and like actual reality and history. The problem is that there's been so much disinformation on the internet about it that if you haven't done your like research which I'm like, I know you have, but I know I have, yeah, it's like like you know, if you haven't done your research, which I know you have, I know I have, yeah, If you haven't done your research about it.
Speaker 2:It's pretty much like you can easily just say some shit that's highly inaccurate. The Freemasons I know quite a bit about them.
Speaker 1:I was not aware that Walt was apparently a freemason, though okay, um, I know I know your picture's blocked off, but can you see me on our our screen? Uh, yes okay, I actually have um my tattoo right here, is all seeing eye okay yeah.
Speaker 1:So I like I love talking about the illuminati like that. That's what got me into conspiracy theories. Was the illuminati so? But yeah, it walt disney was I don't. There's no facts on it that I found um, just speculation that he was actually a Freemason and his intentions with Club 33 were to host Illuminati meetings in this club, because the number 33 is associated with free masonry. Uh, so when you, when you look into three the, the masonries in the illuminati, there's only, there's only three um degrees of masonry there's an apprentice, there's the journeyman and then there's the master mason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people believe that Walt Disney was actually a master mason. But according to a lot of people, and no one could ever confirm that, he was actually a Freemason, so they say he wasn't. But let me find it in my notes here Walt Disney was part of the how do you pronounce this? The, the, or I don't have it written down better. He was a member. I believe it's called the, which is a. They're represented by the Freemasons. So I couldn't find anything saying that he was actually a Freemason, but he was part of the Damole people and they were sponsored by Freemasons.
Speaker 1:So a lot of people try to debunk this conspiracy, saying because he was not a freemason, that it was not built to help host illuminati meetings but, but the way I I see it is, who's to say that he didn't make this club for Illuminati meetings, trying to move up in the chain to become a Freemason?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know he could have been. He could have started out as an apprentice and then with his company because they knew his company was going to be worth money and be big that this wasn't his effort to become a Freemason or an Illuminati member himself, as opposed to just being a Demole member. You know Right, member, you know right. So I mean the way I, like I said I'm I'm super big into the illuminati. Um, I 100 believe in the freemasons, the illuminati. Well, it's it, it's a fact that the freemasons are real. But as far as like the illuminati goes, like that's, that's a big conspiracy on if the Illuminati actually like runs our entertainment business in the world, like people say it does or they don't. But I could definitely see Walt Disney building this club for the Illuminati in order to becoming a higher member of the Freemasons.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I found it very interesting that the Club 33 was rumored to be made for the Illuminati.
Speaker 2:No, that's actually very interesting, because I had no idea that Club 33 even existed. It's like, when you think about this, it's like, again, I haven't been to Disney World, but I'd argue most people probably haven't heard of Club 33. It's like what's fascinating about it is that that's just what we know of, right, that's just like surface level, you know. I mean there's clubs within clubs, you know.
Speaker 1:So it's just like you know. It just kills me, like you know, I mean there's clubs within clubs, you know.
Speaker 2:So it's just like you know. It just kills me like you know that the elites have their, just have their own little playgrounds where they just can be away from us peasants right it's just like I don't want to be around normal people, right? I was reading up on it a little bit while you're talking about it, like apparently this is one of the few places in disney world where you can actually drink alcohol.
Speaker 1:Um yep, they have bars and stuff, or because you can't buy alcohol, yeah, out in disney world. But if you're a member of club 33, when you go in there there's bars and stuff that you can actually buy alcohol and you can eat privately and shit like that.
Speaker 2:So I mean yeah yeah, and then like think about it too, like on the surface level. You know you're, you know what you're getting, you know, uh, package right. But how do we know that's the whole package right?
Speaker 1:Exactly, especially when you're dishing out $25,000 to $50,000 just for initiation fees.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's suspect as hell Right.
Speaker 1:And then, on top of that, you're paying $30,000 a year to keep that membership.
Speaker 2:No, the $50,000 and the the 30,000 was intentionally there to keep us out of there. Right, it was intentionally there to keep, you know, poor people out of there. Like it's just like, no yeah, you don't belong at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the the way I see it, because I I fully believe in the illuminati. I fully believe that they run our entertainment business and government and shit like that. I fully believe that you can call me a crazy conspiracy theorist on that one. I'll take the name on that. For me, though, the way I see it is, if I'm paying $25,000 to $50,000 for initiation, and then $30,000 on top of that, just to go into a secluded club where I can eat dinner and drink alcohol in an amusement park, I think is wild that people think that there's nothing more going on.
Speaker 2:think that there's nothing more going on. Look, I could I don't know if you would care to have me back on, but I could talk with you about the Illuminati all fucking night. Honestly, because to me, like it's just a, it's just in its simplest form. It's elites pretty much doing what they can to keep their power right.
Speaker 2:And like when, when people talk about, like okay, uh, the Illuminati and stuff like that, it's like it's very intriguing because it's like you wonder, like you know, if a person like Jeff Bezos and people that you have millions and billions of dollars, and it's like what do these people believe, you know? Like what right do they believe on a religious level, on a spiritual level? Like what, what entertains? Like when you like going back, like not to get like too um, in, too inappropriate, anything like that. But like, uh, jeffrey epstein, for example, right, right, like I was having this discussion with my, my, my, my podcast partner, and like when you're so rich you know what and you have anything and everything you want, what can possibly entertain you, like you know what it has to me we've had.
Speaker 2:Like you know, I think it ends up being like some pretty much some devilish, inappropriate shit, because it's just like it's like you have to, it's like when you can do anything you want on a legal sense, it's just like you start to turn to more illegal activities because it's not only an assertion of your power, but it's just something that keeps you entertained. That's why I truly believe, like Jeffrey Epstein bought an island and had all these, something that keeps you entertained. That's why?
Speaker 2:that's why I truly believe, like jeffrey epstein, bought an island and had all these young girls on there because he wanted to flex his power, you know he wanted to go to next level with what he found to be, what he found to be entertaining. Because when you have all the money in the world, you know and you can do literally anything like what again? What entertains you?
Speaker 1:yeah, like again, it's just it's just mind-bogg, you know, and you can do literally anything like what again? What entertains you? Yeah?
Speaker 2:like again, it's just. It's just mind-boggling too, and you read about people that like were on the planes and talk to jeffrey epstein is like you were on that island getting massages by girls and you don't. You didn't know that all this was going on.
Speaker 1:It's like you know, uh right it's, it's just like.
Speaker 2:Again, it's just really interesting and mind-boggling because it's just like what goes on, but uh, high and closed doors. I mean like not in, like a, because it even goes back to like um ben franklin, I think he was a member of like the hellfire club, I believe um something like that yeah yeah, and it's just like it was this group and like they would do like weird shit. It's just like right and it's just like there's just like a trend of like you know these elites, that you know they, they form these you know groups to not only consolidate power but exercise their power in very weird and you know, inappropriate ways in my opinion.
Speaker 2:You know, because it's like you know why, it's like every time, it's like you think, think about it like I. I like there's a couple millionaires where I live and, uh, we drove. We drove through a neighborhood one time and there was just so much land that this person owned yeah, you know it's like, again, I'm not a type of person like pocket watch or anything like that, it's just.
Speaker 2:But I'm just like what could that person do with all that land? Right, like. And then I thought, like I just said to my fiance when he was driving by, I'm like you know, they could have like an underground bunker, a dungeon full of women, and like we not know, like there's no way we could like ever figure it out, because they just have so much money, you know, at their disposal. And like I feel like this club 33 is just like an example of that. Because, again, who could possibly afford that? Who would actually spend all that money just to drink alcohol at Disney world?
Speaker 1:Exactly that. That's another one of my points. Um real quick, though, man, I'd love to have you on for an illuminati episode hey man, let's do it, let's do it all right, because I've I've done an. I've done an episode on celebrities in the illuminati right but I haven't done an actual episode on the illuminati itself, like going back into the history of it and shit like that.
Speaker 2:So if you want to come on for another episode where we just talk like the illuminati and shit like that, we can do that no, I'm down I'll be all right perfect sure to get you know my notes and, like you know, have everything all together for research and stuff like that, because not the history of it and just like it's so deep it is and like it's so deep it is, and like you know, when you see like in a modern day sense, you know, and it's just like you have people that, because, again, it's just like just with the Epstein thing, it's just like they're almost openly taunting us.
Speaker 2:It's like he killed himself. But how Did he though? He's just Did he though?
Speaker 1:Did he?
Speaker 2:though that's the thing Exactly. They just said he killed himself, and you know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:You know it's asinine.
Speaker 2:And then they just said you have to take our word for it.
Speaker 1:Nothing about that makes sense, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like you have to take our word for it. There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1:Just shut the fuck up. It's just like no, you know, we'll definitely, we'll definitely run it back and we'll do it, we'll do an illuminati episode, all right but yeah but.
Speaker 1:But getting back to to what we were saying about club 33, about like drinking and it's like spending all that money just to consume alcohol in disney world, I I find that mean, yeah, you get other perks, like you get like special dining and shit like that, but at Disney I don't know how it is in California, I don't know if they have one too, but in Florida, in Orlando, at Disney, outside of Disney, they have what they call Downtown Disney and it's a bunch of shops and restaurants and bars and shit like that. I don't care how much money I have.
Speaker 1:I'll go sit at a bar with fucking random people paying like five bucks a drink, as opposed to paying thirty thousand dollars a year just so I can drink inside of disney great exactly you know, there has to be definitely more going on than just that, so so for you to have to pay a 25 to 50 000 initiation fee, 30 000 a year membership, and then wait 10 to 15 years to actually gain membership? There has to be, there's got to be, more to it.
Speaker 2:It sounds like the wait period itself, sounds like a test. You know, right, right.
Speaker 1:There's got to be more to it. So for that one, even though it's never been claimed that Walt Disney himself was a Freemason, but he was part of a group that was sponsored by the Freemasons, I believe that Walt Disney, even if he wasn't a Freemason yet, was trying to work his way up into being a Freemason, into the Illuminati.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, for sure, and I think that club was a way of him getting their attention, you know, and that could have been his like initiation into you know, like, how the Illuminati works is like you do something for them, they'll do something for you, whatnot. And you got to prove yourself. This could have been Walt Disney's way of proving himself into the Illuminati. Right, it's given them a safe space to actually come and conduct meetings, like the conspiracy goes and whatnot. But that that one I could fully see and believe, just because he was part of a group sponsored by the illuminati. Yeah, and, and just the initiation fees and the annual fees itself. I don't care how much money I have, I would never. I, I don't know if I would pay thirty thousand dollars a year just to be a member of a club in disney world. Right, because even no matter how much money you have in the world, how rich you are, how often are you fucking going to disney world?
Speaker 2:right, exactly, it's like am I paying to stay there? Do I have an apartment here? Is it like yeah?
Speaker 1:you better, if I'm paying thirty thousand dollars a year, I better have a very nice fucking apartment In there or something to where I can come stay Whenever the fuck I want.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't add up Right.
Speaker 2:Disney plus better be included Right.
Speaker 1:I don't know. The whole aspect of Club 33 Just doesn't. It doesn't add up to me for what they tell you members get. I'm not going to pay $30,000 a year to eat secludedly and drink alcohol, right? I don't know, that's just me. I don't know how rich people think because I'm not rich, me. Um, I don't know how rich people think because I'm not rich, you know.
Speaker 2:so I mean I I guess, if I had the thirty thousand dollars to blow, maybe, but I honestly feel like it's, it's crazy, um, yeah, so so that's.
Speaker 1:That was another big, big conspiracy I came across. Um, I got two more that are are, are bigger ones that that we'll get, we'll get into, and, um, the next one is subliminal messaging in disney movies and stuff like that. So, um, I actually have a few, uh, a few pictures here that I'll put up for me and you to see. I know this is a audio podcast. I'm not on youtube yet, um, so other people can't see them, but I'll put up some pictures for me and you to look at and we'll gather our thoughts. But, um, one of them before is just an audio one that I don't have the audio for, but you, you know, the movie aladdin, obviously, right yeah, of course like we all.
Speaker 1:We all know Aladdin. So there's a line in the movie when the tiger's like walking up to Aladdin and you can hear Aladdin say say this quote good, tiger, take off, scat, go. That's, that's what the official line is. But when you're actually watching the movie and listening to it, a lot of people think that Aladdin is saying good, teenagers, take off your clothes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'll tell you what I was watching videos on this and shit like that and they played it and then they slowed it down and I'll tell you what man it sounds like he is saying good teenagers, take off your clothes.
Speaker 2:I think it might be. I don't know if they're that bold, because, like I think it's one of those. Do you ever hear that meme, yanni and Laurel, whatever, yeah, it's like. If you think about it, that's what you hear, right?
Speaker 2:Right and like you, know, it's just like so I think it might be one of those situations to where, like, the words just line up, to where you just hear that, if you're thinking about it, right, because I've heard, um, the scat go thing, if I'm actively listening to when I've been told about, like you know, to take off your clothes things, and I'm thinking about that's all I hear. So like I don't know, I don't know if, like you know, the I don't know, like disney would like risk, like, uh, backlash, like that you know I think they would and I have other.
Speaker 1:I have other ones to to prove my point of why I think they would. But I, I could definitely see, like, what you're saying is 100 true, like, like if you have it in your head and that's what you're listening for, that's what you're gonna hear if it's close enough. But when, when I heard it, I did, I, I I could see where they were saying good, teenagers, take off your clothes and whatnot. Um, but I forgot, I forgot to put the picture of this one up. But the next one is, you know, the movie the Rescuers.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know when they're flying down the tunnel in the cart.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Have you ever noticed the pornographic photo?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen some clips of that.
Speaker 1:That was in there. That's 100% true and in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no. Yeah. I think it was one sneaky animator that put that in there and I think they fired him Right.
Speaker 1:I don't have that knowledge anyway. I'd assume so you know, putting that into a children's movie. I'd assume so you know putting that into a children's movie. But I don't know, like, when I think about it, like, if they're willing to risk like doing shit like that, I don't see why they wouldn't try to like put in subliminal messages like the good teenagers, take off your clothes. I could be wrong. It made like it just makes sense, though.
Speaker 2:um, like who, who knows for sure, though you know, besides the person who actually did it right and it's like um, you gotta think, is it, is it a studio effort or is it just one mischievous employee? Because we've seen that before, where with video games, you'll have a programmer sneak in an Easter egg and it'll be inappropriate or something like that. It's just like the company comes out and they're just like, hey, this is one guy, but sometimes the big waves are in on it too, right.
Speaker 1:But another one, though, that I actually have a photo that I'm going to put up on our screen for us is from the Little Mermaid. I actually have two from the Little Mermaid, so you know the scene where they're getting married and they're being married by the priest or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mermaid, so you know the scene where they're getting married and they're being married by the priest or whatever. Yeah, have you ever seen like people say that the priest has like a boner? Yeah, and they've been arguing whether or not it's a boner or it's his knees, I think something like that.
Speaker 1:Here's the here's the picture of it yeah, I see yeah you clearly see a bulge down by where the penis region area is. You know, yeah. So now if you watch that movie today, like on disney plus and everything, they remastered it to where that bulge is no longer there really yes, because I read, because I read up on it too, and the guy who created this scene like drew it out.
Speaker 1:I forgot. I forgot what he said, but I I do remember reading at one point, like you said, like it was supposed to be a knee or something like that, um, but just looking at this photo right now, kind of hard to believe that that's his knee To me you know, I could be wrong, but yeah, that you clearly see a little bulge there where his penis area is.
Speaker 2:I mean to add merit to what you're saying because we know in cartoons, like children's cartoons, like Fairly Oddparents and Grim Adventures, billy um Fairly Oddparents and um Grim Adventures, billy and Manny Adventure Times, like there is actual, like you know, sex jokes hidden in these shows. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Most of the time through the writing. You know Right when you know. Even in Spongebob, like I think there was a uh don't drop the soap joke in Spongebob- right it's just like so you? Obviously there are sex jokes and there are sex references right, especially from the 90s.
Speaker 1:Yes, like, like. Did you ever watch ren and stempy?
Speaker 2:oh man that, oh my god dude watching, watching that as a child and then an adult is so different yeah, um, and it's, it's like so, if they can be overt like that, then it's entirely possible that they'll be subvert. You're a covert with some of the jokes that they're hiding in there, or some of the references that they're hiding in there. So, and the fact that they removed it is kind of suspicious, like if it was just exactly why remove it exactly.
Speaker 1:But but if you, if you were to do you have disney plus, I do. Okay, so do I. Whenever you get the chance, turn on the little mermaid, check it out.
Speaker 2:That bulge is no longer there yeah, I def have to, you know, go check that out?
Speaker 1:yeah, they, they definitely removed it. Um, so I don't know, it's it's pretty crazy, um, and and, like we said, it could come down to just the person who created it. Um, because I know on some of these that I have read that people who have drawn these pictures for animation, um, were like getting like they knew they were getting fired or something like that, and that they they would draw these, like the next one I'm going to show us, um was rumored that this guy was, uh, he got in trouble for something, was going to get fired, so he drew in this image to make sure people would remember him, and it was also from the Little Mermaid, but it's from the cover of the Little Mermaid. Pop it up here From the cover of it. You know the little castles in the back. Yeah, you can. You can clearly see what that looks like, right?
Speaker 1:that is definitely phallic yes now, oh no, the guy who drew this. He came out in a statement and said that when he drew this he was in a hurry and that he drew this he was in a hurry and that he drew this at like four in the morning. He didn't realize what it ended up looking like To me. I don't care like how much, how many hours of sleep I have or what time in the morning it is. If I'm drawing this and I'm looking back at it, I clearly see that that's a penis.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right Now, when you look at this, when you look at the cover of the Little Mermaid now, that's not like that. They changed that as well.
Speaker 2:See again. If it's no big deal, why change it?
Speaker 1:Exactly, but no, you see the curvature at the top?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like you can even see like the tip is like.
Speaker 1:Yes, like, like, like. This dude straight up drew a penis.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like I don't know. It's like, maybe he was tired, maybe he had dick on the brain for some reason. I don't know, maybe he was tired, maybe he had dick on the brain for some reason, I don't know. It's just like, exactly, it's interesting, this is the cover and nobody bought this.
Speaker 1:No, it was. One mother caught this in. I forgot what state it was, I want to say Kansas or some shit like that. She went to the store, bought movie, bought the movie on VHS, brought it home, noticed the cover and then she took it back to the store with her concerns about it. And then the news picked it up, picked up her returning it because she noticed a penis on the movie cover. And so that's what really brought this into light is that someone bought it, noticed it and then the news picked it up. And then that's when it really became into a conspiracy and shit like that. But I mean, looking at that, I clearly see a penis. Yeah, like, being a guy myself, I know what a penis looks like. You know what I mean. Yeah, it's really hard. It's hard to justify this one, like the fact that the illustrator said that it was 4 in the morning and whatnot, and he was in a hurry. I don't care what the situation is when you're drawing something, you know if you're drawing a penis or not.
Speaker 2:Well then, it's just like you know before you submit something, you're going to analyze it and make sure that everything is up to par.
Speaker 1:Right, you would think, think, but apparently this guy did not, so I don't know either. Um the last one I have for, like the subliminal message messages, is um in the lion king. Do you know what the one in the Lion King is?
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure it's the one where it's supposed to be sex in the air or whatever, yep.
Speaker 1:So here's the photo of it for me and you to look at. I don't know what you see, but I clearly see sex.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the counter to that they said there's supposed to be sound effects, like you know, sfx.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to say SFX. Yeah, and, to be honest, when you're looking at it you can see SFX, but with the E at the bottom of it, how it drags down, it makes it look like an e right now, if you go, ahead.
Speaker 2:Why would you, why would you include a reference to sound effects at a point like that in the movie? You know? Exactly in a manner like that, like to, where it can be so easily confused right, why not just put stars out there? Right, exactly because that's what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to be just stars. So why? Why even put in a subliminal message of sfx?
Speaker 2:I. I have no idea it doesn't make sense what kills me. It's like, okay, so sound effects. Right, you know that's what it's referencing. Okay, why is the animation team referencing sound effects?
Speaker 1:in this scene. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense. But when you're looking at the picture like they can say oh, it's supposed to say sfx, that clearly says sex. You can see the bottom line drag out from the supposed to ask.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's not as malicious as people are thinking, isn't this around the scene where Simba meets Nala? Maybe?
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's been a while since I've seen.
Speaker 2:The Lion King, but I Simba meets Nala. Maybe I don't know. It's been a while since I've seen the Lion King, but I know he meets Nala somewhere around when he becomes an adult and maybe he's referencing their romance. I don't know. I mean, that's me trying to give it some type of saving grace Like a justification. Because I don't know any reason why you put that in the film, right?
Speaker 1:right, because he's, he's having a conversation with his dad, right, like in, and then you see, you see that. But but, like you said before, why even put in like sound effects abbreviation in this scene? Right, it doesn't make sense. But no, I clearly see sex. I see, I see the word sex because the e obviously drags out in the bottom to make it an e and not an f. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, could just be me, I don't know. That one's crazy to me. And, like you said, why even put in the SFX to begin with Makes no sense. But I don't know, I believe someone just snuck it in there.
Speaker 2:That's just me yeah, I think it was. I mean, I think that was someone again on the animation team, because, again, why is the animation team referencing sound effects? Right, it doesn't make sense and I think it was that, and then that was the way of that person backing out. If they were to get in trouble, they'd be like oh, it's just referencing sound effects, it's not sex. So, yeah, yeah, I lean towards that being a mischievous employee, if anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, but yeah, those are just some of the subliminal messages. There's so many more. Um, we, we could probably do a whole episode on subliminal messaging in Disney movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's. There's a ton of them that you know some like more valid than others. But yeah, there's definitely.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, those those were just the ones that I that from, like classic Disney movies and stuff like that. Uh, that I came across. But yeah, man, I only have really one more conspiracy theory left.
Speaker 2:All right, let's knock it out.
Speaker 1:And we briefly talked about it earlier, but it's the most common conspiracy theory about Disney and that's Walt Disney. Disney is frozen, yeah, so according to his daughter and every a lot of other people, that he was frozen and not cremated. So the conspiracy goes that Walt Disney was never cremated but he was frozen Frozen Like before he passed away. He put it in his will or talk to someone and said that he wanted to be frozen until that science was able to cure him of any disease which he died of lung disease, wanted to be frozen before until he could be cured of his disease and be revived. So I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:This one's weird, it's, uh, so it's. It's called like cryptogenetic, if I remember correctly, is what it's called when you're frozen, which the famous baseball player, ted Williams, who played for Boston and I'm wearing a Boston hat because I'm a Boston Red Sox fan he was frozen and so was his son and so was his son. But it's rumored that Walt Disney was actually frozen with cryptogenic, which, for the listeners who don't know what cryptogenic is, or the freezing, it's when you have your body, your whole body, or your head frozen, or like, yeah, frozen, and then your temperature dropped to match liquid nitrogen freezing level till you can be revived by, like your disease or whatnot. So they'll freeze your body down to liquid nitrogen levels and then, when the science is correct to actually bring you back and cure you of your disease, they'll thaw you out and do it, which, for me, is crazy. You know, which for me is crazy. I don't know if I would ever do that. Upon my research, though, you can actually do this for $28,000. Just a little fun fact that's what it costs.
Speaker 2:It's not bad.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, if the science ever gets there which I'm sure it could be there, because I don't know what you believe in, but to me our scientific releases, and we're 10 plus years in advance than what our actual, like our world knows military training and like not training, but our military um, like weaponry and shit like that we have 10 years plus in advance of what we actually know of today.
Speaker 1:We're like 10 plus years in in the future that we actually have than what our society tells us we have. So who's to say that we don't have the technology to actually unthaw these people, revive them, cure them of the disease and bring them back to life? Yeah, you know, walt Disney's daughter has gone on record saying that it is false, that her dad is not frozen, that he was cremated and all this shit. But according to one of the cryptogenic founders or something like that is he received a phone call from Walt Disney himself asking in-depth questions about the process of being frozen and all that. And according to Walt Disney's daughter is that her dad had no knowledge of how the process worked or anything like that. So why is his daughter saying that he's had? He didn't even know how it worked and all this, but but one of the main guys in the cryptogenic field says that he received a phone call from walt disney's asking all these questions about the process. Right, you know it, it just doesn't add up.
Speaker 2:It's totally a possibility. I mean, with how dedicated Walt was to just the continuation of Disney, and then he was working passionately on Club 33, it's entirely possible that he wanted to come back and experience all those things that he was trying to build, but just whether or not it was actually feasible at the time of his death, that's the only thing that trips me up, because, again, if I was rich I'd freeze myself. You know, it's like well, I mean shit.
Speaker 1:It's only $28,000.
Speaker 2:That's like what a brand new car right, exactly, I'm just like okay, you know, this is like I'm like you know, if I were to die at this point, like hearing that it's only $20,000, if I have a life insurance policy that's 100k, I might take 30 of that and put it towards my right, which I actually read up on this about 300 people have actually been frozen to reserve their body.
Speaker 1:Because what it does is, when you're frozen, it brings your levels down to match liquid and nitrogen levels, and then what that does is it preserves the tissue in your body from being, like, ruined. So that's the whole part of being frozen is that it reserves your tissue so when you are able to be thawed and revived, your tissue isn't damaged and they're able to actually revive you. But for I mean, like shit, for 28,000, you can't like people could do that. And when you brought up the life insurance policy, some life insurance policies actually cover that. So like like, when I read that I was, I was just like, like, if that that's covered by life insurance, why wouldn't a lot of people do that?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean I think it's not as common, honestly it's really not because it's because, even though it's an actual thing the cryptogenic freezing is an actual thing it's not approved by science.
Speaker 2:It's not approved yet yeah, but to me I'm like, you know, it's better than nothing, because I'm going to be dead regardless. So I'm just like I might as well take a chance and possibly be revived then, you know, be for certain buried and like have no chance of being revived at all. So if I had the resources, that'd be definitely something I would consider. So I mean sorry, go ahead because you can.
Speaker 1:You can.
Speaker 2:You can do your whole body or you can do just your head yeah, and I think the head thing is interesting because it's like you might have to wait even longer, considering that you might have to wait for a suitable body to come up, one that won't reject your head, or one that your head won't reject this is all really intriguing because, uh, again, it's like I think, I think this is something that could feasibly walt could have done or would have want to done, but it's just, we don't have any proof.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's at this point, it's just hearsay exactly, but I believe 100 that this is something walt disney would do I mean I don't doubt either, especially again, just how much he was invested in his company and, like you know, building and adding on to it, because I think he he wanted to make certain parts of Disney actually livable, like a place where I think he designed the city like that he wanted to create as another aspect of this, I think I think it was a city where the employees would live, or a little town where employees would live and then they would go in and work at the park and it's just like so.
Speaker 2:He he obviously had a vision that he wanted to continue.
Speaker 1:Yes, Because from what I read up on it is that he did this like, if you believe that he was actually frozen, that he did this because he died right before he died, what? Six years before Disney World was opened.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So he wanted to be frozen and then brought back and revived when the science was correct to do so, so he could see the success of Disney and Disney World.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which to me, me makes sense. And the way this conspiracy got brought upon is that a reporter in California, after his death, went to the hospital where Walt Disney was being treated and where he took his last breath. A reporter snuck in, acted as an orderly, so they could get in. A reporter snuck in, acted as an orderly, so they could get in. And this reporter claims that he saw, when he walked in, walt Disney's head in a cryogenic device of just his head being frozen, and he claims that that's what he saw and that's how this conspiracy really got brought to life.
Speaker 1:But, his family claims that he was cremated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's totally feasible.
Speaker 1:Right, but what's not to say? That? Because this reporter and all the other conspiracy claims believe that it's just Walt Disney's head was frozen. What's not to say that his actual body wasn't cremated, but his head was frozen.
Speaker 2:That's a good point.
Speaker 1:So you know theoretically they're telling the truth. You know, right, it's a loophole in the truth. Yeah, they're like, yeah, he was cremated, but was his whole body cremated?
Speaker 2:That's a good point, you know.
Speaker 1:The way I see it, I would like to think that his head is fucking frozen and that when we get the technology and the science behind it, when we get the technology and the science behind it, that he could be thought out and like we could still have like his brain.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean no, yeah, definitely man, I think it's, I think it's highly likely that again it's like we talked about before Illuminati, I mean, I wouldn't doubt. If you know, cryo freezing is something that's extremely common, you know, right, I mean because, again, I mean these people want to live forever. You know exactly, it's like you've had, I mean even down like the people, like hitler I mean he had nazis going on goose chases for the founding of youth, right, obviously, that's something. Immortality is something that a person with all the resources of the world they're going to try to obtain, at least in my opinion, exactly, yeah, but so I don't know.
Speaker 1:So, from what his daughter says and then what other people say, um, I'd like to think that he was actually frozen, like at least his head. Yeah, to be and then to be thought out. Because another thing I came across is that, hit, he's supposed to be thawed in December of this year, that they were going to thaw him out, but, like I said, I don't know if the technology is there. Even though, like I said, we're like 10 years in advance, 10 plus years in advance of what we actually know, of what we have, I don't think it's actually out to the public yet.
Speaker 2:I think if they were to thaw him out, I don't think he would come back as Walt Disney, I think he would just be somebody else. Because it's just like I mean, because the implications of coming out and saying that we have cryo technology and you can live forever, that that's going to send ripples through society. I think, if anything, if he were to be revived, he would probably either live in secret or pose as if he's another member of the Disney family.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And just go with the narrative of the Disney family, right, and just go with the you know narrative that.
Speaker 1:The actual Walt is dead, right. And another thing, though, is that he they claim that when he wanted to be in a secure facility when no one knew where he was, conspiracy goes that he's actually like. His frozen head is under the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland.
Speaker 2:I think that's a little bit extreme. I think it would be something else.
Speaker 1:I feel like it would be kept at the the cryo Facility.
Speaker 2:I think they probably do have Some type of facility somewhere In Disney World Just because they have the money to, but I don't think it would be Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I highly doubt he's stored under the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. But if he is frozen like his head, if it is frozen, I believe it's at a scientifically. The cryo world isn't scientifically proven yet. I feel like it's hard to actually debunk or bunk this conspiracy of him being frozen Because his daughter says that he's not frozen, that he never knew anything about that. And then, like, shortly after that, they opened up that thing I forgot what it's called but they opened up a facility to to bring light about walt disney's life. Right, like there's an act, there's an actual place you can go to where you can learn about Walt Disney and stuff like that. And one thing I read was like why would they open that after after all these conspiracies about him being frozen and not actually cremated, right, I don't know, it's a crazy conspiracy.
Speaker 1:I've always thought he was frozen, you know that's what, like since I was a child that's what we've always been told is that Walt Disney's been frozen and that they're just waiting on the science to bring him back to life. So I mean I don't know if it's actually true. Was he actually cremated? I know there's a place in California called Forest, something where people are. Their remains are which? Walt Disney is there. Michael Jackson's remains are there? If Michael Jackson is actually dead, I don't believe he is, but that's another. That's a whole nother episode, right, I don't know. I cause we were always told he was frozen and then all of a sudden we're telling, we're being told he's cremated me as a conspiracy. Like like a person who loves conspiracy theories, I would like to say that he's actually like frozen and we're just weighing on the technology right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's highly likely. I mean, if, if he had, if the technology was there and he had the money, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't he definitely had the money I mean 28 000 to freeze your body and that's it.
Speaker 1:That's in today's age. How much was it back in fucking 66?
Speaker 2:yeah, probably you know what I mean small fortune.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he definitely had the money, so I don't know. Uh, but those are all the conspiracies I have. Do you have any more?
Speaker 2:uh, no, I think we covered a good chunk, you know so I mean shit, so all right.
Speaker 1:so at the end of my episodes I usually like to go over like if what you believe in, what I believe in, to be true, so the gist of it, how much of these conspiracies do you actually believe are true?
Speaker 2:Well, I definitely believe the marketing ones.
Speaker 1:I do too.
Speaker 2:Like the Disney Vault and the parade thing, but some of the more out there ones, I think it really just depends on your personal, for example, the subliminal messages ones, on your personal like. For example, like the subliminal messages ones, those are hit and miss with me sometimes. It's like, sometimes I think sometimes people are reading a bit too much into it, but then some of them are obvious, and then you think about the fact that they do include sex jokes and references in children's media regardless. So I mean, I think it's entirely possible, but I don't know if it's a company effort or if it's just some employee being outlandish and, like you know, trying to, you know, just be mischievous for some reason.
Speaker 2:But with, like you know, the Frozen Head thing, I think it's highly likely. If the tech was there and if Walt knew about it, I think he might have frozen himself for sure. And then, with the idea of Freemasonry and Club 33, I think that's highly likely because just the again, like we said, you know why would you play 30 grand to just drink alcohol at Disney World, right? There's like a lot of questions about that. That I feel like is extremely likely to be, like you know, but for the most part, like I think a lot of these are just a lot of smaller ones, like you know, whether or not Frozen was intentionally like to made, intentionally to, like you know, divert tension away from the conspiracy theory about Walt being frozen, I think those are just more so fun, just you know, not really consequential as to whether or not you believe it or not, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I think, like you know, just for the most part, a good chunk, I'd say about 60% of the stuff we covered I think, are kind of based in reality, you know. And then, like you know, with the stuff about the theme parks, you know with the Tower of stuff about the theme parks, you know with, um, the tower of terror and the pirates of caribbean, you know, obviously you know why would they lie about real bones, you know, and why would all these different sources lie about having real bones? Um, but the tower of terror, like some of the more paranormal ones, um, like Walt haunting his apartment and the guy haunting the Tower of Terror, I think those are unlikely, I just think they're there to add on to the lore of the park in general.
Speaker 2:It's just like here's this cool thing about. You know, here's this cool fun fact. It's just like one of those things that people just discuss and it gives more character to these locations, you know Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree with you on most of them. Me personally, I would like to believe that Walt actually haunts his apartment. It'd be cool if he did Right, exactly, exactly, I feel like. To me that would just bring so much more like story and history to it that he's actually haunting his, his old apartment where he would stay in the park.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like with with the, the head freezing and all that I know his daughter comes out and says that that's not true. But but like we, like I mentioned earlier, who's to say that his body wasn't cremated but his head was frozen. And then with the guy who runs or was high up in the cryptogenic field saying that before his death he received a call from Walt Disney asking all these questions, when his daughter says he probably knew nothing about it, some of that just doesn't add up to me. So me personally, I would like to think that he had his head frozen and stuff like that. But with some of the smaller ones, like obviously some of them have been debunked and whatnot, but like with the Club 33, I definitely believe that that could have been built for an Illuminati meeting site so Walt Disney could get his name up in the Illuminati to where he was actually like a member of the Illuminati and the Freemasons and what not.
Speaker 1:But for the most part, I believe a lot of these conspiracies could be true. There's there's facts behind them, and then there's some that could make you question the facts, but for me, I I believe a lot of them could be true yeah, I'm right there with you, um, but yeah, I mean it's, I mean I've had a blast, I mean it's been, it's been great talking to you man it's been great talking to you too.
Speaker 1:I like I love doing this shit and it's so much fun and and, like, like I said, I like in in what we did in the episode. We look at all all aspects of the conspiracy. We don't just come on here and be like, oh, this is what happened and whatnot. We actually talk about it and and that and that's what I like to do with my guests is actually look at research and facts or non-facts, debunks and things like that that we can actually talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nah, man, it's been great and definitely keep in touch with you about the Illuminati episode if you're still interested. Oh for sure, dude, we'll definitely. I've been wanting to do one.
Speaker 1:Definitely keep in touch with you about the Illuminati episode, if you're still interested. Oh for sure, dude, We'll definitely.
Speaker 2:I've been wanting to do one That'll probably have to be a two episode one just because there's so much about it. Yeah, the history by itself, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, so we'll definitely probably have to do two episodes on that one. But yeah, I'm definitely down to do that. You mentioned earlier that you actually host a couple podcasts yourself. Tell my listeners what podcast they are and what they're about, so they can listen and follow.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. First, a couple of these are on hiatus, so go listen to them. But know that even though some of the episodes are a bit dated, I am planning to upload more content. I actually have a couple episodes for all of them on the back burner. I just have to edit and upload them. The first podcast is Cultural Sugar. It's my personal podcast. I kind of just talk about just random things from a comedic element. Random things from a comedic element. I host a podcast with my boy, Dr Culture Raymond. He's actually kind of tick tock famous. He has like a million followers on tick tock right now.
Speaker 1:Oh shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a really cool dude but laid back dude. We host two podcasts together. The first one is a cultureorance and that's on Spotify and iTunes and we just talk about kind of like semi-conspiracy stuff like here. But we also talk about like societal phenomenons and stuff like that. Like you know, why do teenagers, like you know, tiktok, like, why are they so fascinated with short form content or something like that? We'll have like discussions like that, stuff like that, just kind of breaking down psychology and sociology and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:And then the last podcast that we host is Rap Sugar and it's a music podcast about hip hop and we pretty much talk about anything like you know, hip hop related. We pretty much talk about anything like you know, uh, hip hop related. Uh, our last episode we did was talking about, uh, ghost writers and whether or not it's actually appropriate in hip hop, and you can find all that on spotify. Honestly, um, I usually go by cultural, sure, or george culture on my social media. But, yeah, man, uh, yeah, it's um again, I'm gonna be adding on to those projects in the coming weeks. But yeah, definitely I would love to be back, you know, and talk about, you know, more conspiracies with you man yeah, we'll definitely.
Speaker 1:I'll definitely get in touch with you about, uh, illuminati episodes and, uh, do you guys ever have guests on your shows?
Speaker 2:we actually been planning for a guest on a culture of ignorance. I feel like you'd be a good fit. Um, we were talking one of the pot one. We were talking about aliens the uh, ufo thing that was way that was back. And uh, raymond, he's really into the alien, aliens thing, so I think uh dude, I'll kill an alien episode yeah, yeah, you me and him. I think we'll mesh really well. So I'm uh, uh, actually like we were planning to record tomorrow, uh, so would you be available tomorrow if possible?
Speaker 2:anything after about three o'clock okay, okay, so I'll see if we I see me and him can like coordinate with you and see if we can figure something out to where all three of us can record. So I'm not trying to like just have you jump on too soon, but we me and him usually record about once a week, um so, uh, if, if you're not able to make this one, we'll definitely have you on the next one, so I'll keep you posted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just let me know. I get off of work at like 1.30, but I got to stop by the store afterwards, so that's why I was like saying 3 o'clock Okay. But yeah, that's why I was asking if you guys have any guests, because I'd love to jump on an episode of your show, since you did mine for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, we'd love to have you. I would love to do an alien episode yeah, he's been itching for an alien episode again because, like we were talking about it so much but there was so much more that we could have dived into right. But yeah, so I think you know with your, you know your research, and how nuanced you are, I think you'd be a great element to have on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I, I'd love to come on your show sometime.
Speaker 2:So yeah, man we'll, we'll make that happen for sure. So yeah, and thanks for, like you know, let me, you know, do a little shout outs.
Speaker 1:No problem, of course, that's what I do here. So, yeah, go, follow. Go follow George's podcast and look out for me on future podcasts of his. But for my show, follow me on Facebook Drunk Conspiracy Podcast Group. Go on to Instagram instagramcom slash drunkinspiracypodcast to Instagram instagramcom slash Drunk Expressionist Podcast. And hopefully I have more episodes for you guys, because I love doing this and hopefully I'm back into this more than I have been, so I'll be looking forward to dropping this episode. It was a good episode. I feel like we covered a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we covered a ton man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was a fun show. So it was, it was a fun show. Yeah, I love Disney, so but but yeah, let me, let me know about tomorrow and hopefully we can get me on your show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. Yes, I will definitely let you know about tomorrow and, like I said, if we can't do tomorrow, we'll definitely set up something for next week. Okay, all right guys.
Speaker 1:Thanks for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed the episode. George, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2:No worries, thank you.
Speaker 1:All right, and until next time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you be safe man.
Speaker 1:You too Peace you. So I have Titanic ready to go, but if we want to do a different one, we can. Yeah, I have Titanic ready to record. Yes, I have all my shit on Titanic. We don't have to, or we can do like we can do, a JFK one or whatever conspiracy you want to do. I would just need time to do Research on it too. So if we didn't do it tomorrow but I'd like to put, I want to get a couple recorded so I can put them out frequently.
Speaker 2:Walking in the spot for the first time. Thank you.