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S1E2 - Empowerment w/Lauren Rose

October 13, 2020 The Biz Dojo / Lauren Rose Season 1 Episode 2
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In this week's episode, Lauren Rose from Divine Coaching with Tarot joins us to talk about her journey to entrepreneurship. We'll spend some time discussing self-discovery, empowering women, leadership, boundary setting, and more. We even spend a little time talking about softball.

We also have a VERY special guest join us for the first installment of a new segment called "The Podium" - you won't want to miss this one! 

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Seth Anderson:

Welcome to Episode Two of The Biz Dojo with Seth and JP. This week we're chatting with Lauren rose from divine coaching with Taro. Really awesome conversation. I think JP,

JP Gaston:

we went down many paths. We went from talking specifically about her journey from, you know, oil and gas and into running her business. And we ended up at baseball for a while there were there were a few different ways that we went with this interview, we talked about empowering women. And I liked it. It was it was very organic. And it was a great conversation.

Seth Anderson:

Yeah, I thought it was a lot of fun and definitely brought home a bunch of different junctures in her career, you know, got really got behind her decision making on the certain roads she took, and how she ended up where she is right now doing some pretty cool stuff, you know, starting her own business, and, you know, really doing what she is excited about in the, you know, coaching through Tarot, which I think is a, I guess, fun industry to be a part of,

JP Gaston:

yeah, it's, it's, it's different for sure. And I know that, you know, there's a lot of people out there who believe in those things and, and run into it headfirst. And there's people out there who will avoid those things and don't don't believe they can assist in any way. But, you know, having had experience in the past and broadcasting Actually, I had some, some experience working with psychics and folks who use tarot cards for readings. And, you know, there's all different sorts, there's some who believe that tarot cards will tell you everything that's going to happen in your life for the rest of time. And there's, and there's some who use it to help pull things out of you. And I think, I think our conversation kind of reveals where she lands in that spectrum. And it's, it's, it's really neat to talk through that definitely. And

Seth Anderson:

I think, you know, the other thing you touched on as well, women in leadership and empowerment, and that whole piece, and that's something we talked about, among many things that we wanted to sort of draw out and these conversations we were having with the podcast, you know, we didn't want to just stay on the peripherals and, and, you know, avoid difficult subject matter. And, you know, I don't know if this is maybe the most difficult subject matter, but you've given everything that's happening in the world today. But it is something that's sort of near and dear to myself, and I know you have a lot of great women in your life, I think, especially since I've had a daughter and you know, just kind of look through things a little bit differently and wanting to really create a future business environment that is conducive to women not only being successful, but having equal opportunity, proportional pay, you know, all the all those things that maybe we didn't think about, totally as we were kind of coming up in the business world, I think are things that as business leaders, we need to be cognizant of, and, you know, really do what we can to create that environment for the, you know, women now and in the future.

JP Gaston:

Is it not crazy to you that that, like that still exists? Like I, you know, I and naive me, you know, being in the roles that I've been in in the past? I it hasn't been obvious to me. But it is crazy to me that, you know, with all of the advancements we've made over the last, you know, 5060 years, we're still lagging there.

Seth Anderson:

Yeah,

JP Gaston:

the average women's adjusted salary is about 81 to 82%, of a man's in the United States. So, you know, you can you can venture I guess that in Canada, it's probably pretty similar. Yeah, absolutely. And for the guys out there, like, just imagine working two and a half months and your current job for free, because that's the difference that that 80% Mark, that's like working two and a half months for free every year. That's crazy. You know,

Seth Anderson:

I think about my daughter, and hopefully, the future that she can have, I like for her to be able to have every opportunity to make every dollar that she can to put towards her family and her best interest. And, you know, to your point, it's crazy to me that 2020 we still have to sort of have some of these discussions, but I think we do and, you know, and that's, that's something where, you know, hopefully we can provide a bit of a platform here, not just for the entrepreneur in 2020. But you know, for for women and for them to get a chance to talk about their stories and give their feedback and how they're progressing across industries and what they're doing to help pave the way for women of the future. I think that's something meaningful and, and helpful, hopefully, that we can do going forward. Yeah,

JP Gaston:

I think that's exciting, and it's really important for us to do. Let's start here and get into the conversation with Lauren.

Voiceover:

On today's episode, we'll talk with Lauren rose from divine coaching with Taro. Hi, I'm Lauren about empowering women to finding value based boundaries, and the art of self discovery. So welcome to Episode Two of The Biz Dojo.

Seth Anderson:

Thanks for joining Lauren, how we've kind of kicked all these things off. It's just you know, tell us a little bit about yourself, your background, and sort of, you know, high level how you got to where you are

Lauren Rose:

I always when people ask me these questions, I'm like, okay, where to begin, like I don't even know

Seth Anderson:

born at some point.

Unknown:

I was born born and raised Calgary, one of the rare ones apparently, I always knew from a very young age that I wanted to help people and I wanted to be of service and I wanted to just be around people like I've always loved people. I've always loved animals. And I've always had that really bubbly personality, right from the get go like, right from when I was little, my parents said, always be wandering off and making friends. And so growing up, I didn't really know what I wanted to do for a career at kind of flip back and forth. When I was really little, I wanted to be a veterinarian growing up, I wanted to be a teacher. And then as I got older, I was like, well, I like the bar industry. I like being in restaurants and hospitality. So I thought maybe that, but none of it ever really seemed to fit. So I went to university, I have a degree in commerce. And then I got out of university, and I was like, Okay, what now? Because I found, you know, you go to school for those 16 years, right grade 12 will probably plus kindergarten, preschool, grade up to grade 12, four years of university or more depending on what you're going to school for. So you're in school for your whole entire life. And then if you don't know what you want to do, I found I left University and I was like, Okay, what the heck do I do now. So because my degree is so broad. So I was okay, I'm going to start in oil and gas, because that's where my mom worked for the majority of her career. So it just kind of seemed natural for me to fall into that. I was a case I got a job as a receptionist, and figured just get my foot in the door. And eventually I would go into HR or event planning or office management or something of that sort. And that is not the way my career went. I ended up going into engineering and completions for anyone that knows oil and gas and drilling at all like, completions is a step of drilling the well. And then I got laid off from that. And I figured, okay, I'm never going to go back and oil and gas like I don't like sitting behind a desk, I don't talk to people, I don't talk to customers or clients. And then it was like, well, I had a mortgage, I had bills to pay, I didn't know what I wanted to do. Still at this point, I was probably in my early to mid 20s at this point. So I got, I ended up having getting another job back in oil and gas. And I figured, okay, again, I will learn and then eventually I will get into maybe sales or customer relations or something like that. And after about five years there, I was feeling so stuck. And I was like there has to be more. And looking back. Now, it's kind of nice, because if I hadn't had these opportunities in oil and gas, and if I hadn't made the money that I was making, so that I can have freedom in my personal life to pursue my passions, I wouldn't be where I am today. Because with working in oil and gas, it's known for making a lot of money. So I was able to pay all my bills, pay my mortgage, and still have enough money to travel and to develop my hobbies. And that's kind of where I found Taro and spirituality and Tantra and meditation, because I had this freedom outside my work to pursue whatever it was that I wanted. And it's funny that you mentioned earlier will, you would have thought Taro was whoo and and would never been here a couple years ago, I had those exact same thoughts in high school, like who would have thought 1012 years ago that this is where I would be with my career is wanting to build a tarot clientele and wanting to do Tantra and wanting to run women's circles. So it's just really interesting how life works out. So I got laid off from my job here this last May, I made it kind of through the first little bit of COVID. And then I was laid off. And so I took kind of the summer off to relax and just kind of enjoy myself and I haven't had a summer off since probably High School. And then now it's like, Okay, well, time to start building my business. And it's taking that knowledge that I've gained from all these different courses that I've taken, and from the schooling that I've done, and kind of now pulling it all together. And it's weird, because it wasn't an it wasn't a linear way that you kind of expect your career to go when you're younger. And you think you're going to go from point A to point B in such a linear fashion. And then all of a sudden, there's loops and twists and turns and backwards and forwards and ups and downs and you pull a little bit from all of those experiences and you say okay, now I have this rainbow of experience that I can take moving forward as I start this new chapter.

Seth Anderson:

That's really interesting. I think a lot of points resonate. And you know, JP and I, we've been doing this for a little while now and we've had a few of these conversations and it feels so there's some similar junction points, I guess I would say where, you know, you have these passions and interests as a kid going through school, and then you kind of come out of school and and it's tough to, you know, turn those passions into an income and you know, a lifestyle so you kind of got to go through this phase. have tried a bunch of different stuff in for you and look like, it seems like oil and gas was sort of that, that opportunity that foot in the door, if you will. And I think it's interesting because, you know, we've we've all had different areas where we get our foot in the door, and then we end up learning a whole bunch about ourselves and other industry, we pick up different leadership styles or different, you know, we learned from different leaders was, was there anyone in your journey, you know, through the oil and gas world where, you know, they're sort of at the end of their career, and they never really took the time for themselves, or they never really pursued their passion. And they get to that point, you know, where, you know, they're looking at retirement, and they didn't really live the life that they wanted to, but maybe they made a lot of money, and they stayed there for the security. Did you ever come across anyone that inspired you to, you know, before it was too late to really pursue your passion?

Unknown:

That's a good question. I don't, I can't say it was. It was one, I can't say it was one specific person. So I'm going to talk about my old boss, Carolyn, because she kind of did a little bit, she kind of fits into that role, but kind of not fits into that role. So she is very passionate about what she does. She loves oil and gas, she loves her career, she loves the role that she does. And she's really good at it. She's extremely smart. She's very passionate, and I love the drive that she had. But on the flip side, I also saw the stress that she was under the long hours that she would work and how, because she was just her and her husband, so she could work those long hours. And she could kind of, you know, do her own thing. But she was just so stressed all the time, that it just kind of made me stop and think well, I don't want I don't want that. But it kind of I'm, it's weird, because I think for her she, she had that passion and that drive. And she did like what she did. But also on the flip side, she was just so stressed about it because she was living in such a busy body world that she couldn't relax really into enjoying that part of her job. Right, if that makes sense?

Seth Anderson:

Yeah, no, totally, I think. So what do you what do you take from that, I guess, into your business that you're doing now, like, when you when you think about stress in particular? Do you find what you're doing? Like? Do you find it stressful, you know, sort of venturing into the unknown starting your own business sort of everything's on you? Or is there freedom in that you're pursuing your passion? And sort of the stress? or it doesn't even feel like work? Like, how have you found that sort of in the early days?

Unknown:

Both? yes to both of those questions. Because it's exactly what you said, there's, there's freedom in pursuing your own passions and making your own rules and doing exactly what you want when you want to. But there's also that stress of the unknown because you don't you, you have people that inspire you, and that can give you advice, and you can kind of follow what they do. But you're the one that has to make your own path, right, you don't have, you don't have a set structure that you're already a part of. It's It's okay, well, you now to figure out what works for you and what doesn't work for you. And so I found for me, I love being able to sleep in a little bit in the mornings, and go to a cafe and work or to take the day off and enjoy the sunshine, especially during the summer here. But then on the other hand, I have to make sure that I'm staying motivated to get my work done. And I have to learn skills and how to market myself and market my job now that I've never had to do before because I've always worked in companies that already had that brand established. So it's a little bit of give and take. And I love that learning part of it. But then I also am a little bit stressed out because it's like, well,

Mama Seth:

I don't really

Unknown:

know what I'm doing. But I'm determined to find out.

Seth Anderson:

But what would you say? Has that been the hardest part? Or maybe the thing you under? Under know what the word I'm looking for is maybe didn't didn't fully grasp was sort of that marketing yourself piece like, like you said, sort of where you came from that was what we sort of done, but did you realize how much sort of effort or thought or, you know, you know, outside of your comfort zone, you would need to go to market yourself like do you feel like that's one of the bigger challenges or is there something else that is sort of surface area like damn, I really didn't think of that when I was you know, starting this whole thing?

Unknown:

Well, it's interesting because marketing, I find marketing a product is easier than marketing yourself. And because the very nature of what I'm doing, it's both I have a product but the product is also partly myself like it's half me half what I'm doing. So I find a lot of the times especially when I talk to other people and I'm included in this as well marketing yourself as a A lot more awkward because we are. As we grow up, we're led to, we don't necessarily talk about the good things in our lives. Like when we want to connect with someone, we talk about the negative, we talk about the bad and we gossip and whatever. And it's a lot of unless you're surrounded by certain type of people who are, like a business group, for example, that are there to really pick you up and help you. Like, talk about the good stuff. It's, I find it hard being like, hey, look how amazing I am. Because these are all my reviews, and everyone loves me. Because that as a culture, we don't really do that very often. And if you have a different viewpoint, I'd love to hear it. But it's just from my own perspective, I found that hard, because you almost don't want to say, hey, like, look how awesome I am. Because you don't want to rub it in someone else's face that maybe they're not doing as well.

Seth Anderson:

No, I definitely that resonates with me. And and I think I was having a conversation with one of my team members today. And it was in that vein, and it was more along taking care of yourself. Like, I think a lot of times, whether it be in the workplace or personal relationships, it's almost like we're brought up to believe like, you got to, it's good to help other people, it's good to make other people happy. And it's all built into us, you know, to to make other people happy before we make ourselves happy. I'm using, you know, sort of a loose example. But I actually think if we're not working on ourselves, if we're not taking care of ourselves, you know, who is and, and sort of in that vein, like if you're not promoting yourself, and you're not sharing those, those, you know, the things that you are doing well, or the services that you can provide and how you can help people. Nobody's gonna do it for us. But it is a tricky balance. Because, you know, I do think we're sort of brought up in a world where you're not really supposed to brag about yourself, you're not really supposed to, you know, talk about how great you are. But you do provide, I think, a unique service like so. So I think it's figuring out like, how do you put out your service offering to people in a way that, you know, doesn't come across as you just talking about how great you are? And I could see how that would be tricky, because, you know, you want to get noticed, you want to say what's different about you and your service and your business, which is really centered around, you know, your skill set. And how do you find that? That right? tone, I guess is probably what you you look for, right?

Unknown:

Yeah, and I think what's really helped me over the last couple of months is I've I ended up hiring a business coach. And so when I would talk to him about how I would market versus how he was telling me to market. So you're, yeah, you want to say, hey, look at me, like, these are my awesome skills. But you also want to put it in a set of words that says these are the problems that I can solve. So you're talking me like, yeah, I'm confident in my skills, that it's going to solve this problem, because people want to know how it relates to them, right? So me just sitting there being like, yeah, I'm a very good tarot card reader. People are like, okay, that's cool. But like, why would I hire you to be a tarot card reader? So I can sit there and be like, I'm so intuitive. I'm really great at reading cards. I know this, I know that. And, and they're sitting there being like, Okay, well, how does that help me solve my problems. So as I'm now learning, the marketing side of it, my business coach is helping me the marketing side, it's less about how great I am and more about, well, how this is how I can help you solve your problem.

Seth Anderson:

And then I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think when I had reached out to you about the tarot card reading, for myself, I was like, What is this because I don't even know and I think more people than not, I'm going to, you know, make that sort of broad brush statement, probably don't really know what tarot cards are about and probably have a perception that is inaccurate, at least the people that I would know, because what I found in my experience was, you know, just the way you did it. You weren't necessarily making broad proclamations or trying to, you know, tell me exactly what my future was, but really drawing a conversation out of me, you know, that there was imagery there was, there were certain indicators on those cards, which obviously you're proficient at, you understand, you know, sort of what to say and where to to guide the conversation, but really, you were, you're pulling stuff that was out of me that I was already thinking or ruminating on or, or maybe already had a thought of, but hadn't necessarily verbalized, or put it out there. And I guess that's what I found most helpful was, it was more like a guiding, and visualization and really just taking stuff that I that I was already thinking about and getting it out, which was, I found extremely helpful to sort of move forward with a couple different situations in my life. And I think, you know, that's the unique service offering is, you know, people could come to you with any sort of problem, it could be business, it could be personal, it could be whatever, and and you just kind of help them but really, at least how I found it was they're kind of bringing out the information. You're just guiding them to start to do that. And maybe I got that wrong and you can top up but that was how I experienced it. So I

Unknown:

think you you hit the nail on the head there with kind of what you were talking about. At my service, and I don't know exactly how other tarot card readers read their cards, but I know from my own past and the stigma that I had around Tarot, it was like, Okay, well, they tell you your future. And then if that future doesn't come true, you're like, well, what the heck, what was the point of going to a tarot card reader, they can't even predict my future. But what people have to understand is that every choice that you make, and every piece of knowledge that you get changes your future. So when you go see a tarot card reader, or you go see a psychic or you go talk to a counselor, even or whatever the knowledge that you're getting from their conversations, or the wisdom that you've been pulling from yourself, changes your future. So what I like to do when I read is do sort of a coaching style session, I'm just using the Tarot as a tool to help interpret maybe what's going on deep down within you that you quite haven't seen yet. So I don't want to sit there and say, Hey, this is your future. Because the knowledge that I give, you can change your future, I'm just there to, to uncover the truth within yourself, and then guide you to whatever you feel is best for you.

Seth Anderson:

What do you see the value in it now, and I've been, you know, anybody who I've kind of come across where for whatever reason, the conversations gone that way, like, I just have a totally different appreciation for it and an open mind to it. I think JP may be a good spot to pull you in. I don't know if you've ever had a tarot card eating or anything like that. But you know, what, what are your thoughts on on sort of the biases that may exist about it? And would you ever have thought, you know, even in a business context, to use something like a tarot card reader to maybe come to a decision that you're struggling with, or something of that nature,

JP Gaston:

I have had one. many moons ago, working in radio, it was a thing that happened regularly on one of the shows, actually, so I've had it done, it's been a while. But for sure I you know, I see the value. But I also see that that bias, I think, you know, a lot a lot of people believe that it's a it's a, you know, mystic art, and it to your point, like you know, if it if the future doesn't come true, then it didn't work. But if you use it to uncover those things inside you that are in impacting your future, or finding those pieces of you that you might not be conscious of, it's a totally different experience. And even in the past, when I have had those readings, we've, you know, we had a whole bunch of different people on the show that we were that we were running, doing those readings, and you could tell the difference between even those readers, and, and how they chose to approach it. And some did approach it from the Hey, I'm gonna uncover some things about you and work with you on them. And some, you know, tried to be the, the, I'm going to predict your future with this. And, and a lot of times those didn't come true.

Unknown:

Yeah. And I it's interesting, because I have I'm of two minds about psychics and tarot card readers, even though I'm one of them. And I still have yet even to figure out my own thoughts of it. But I went to go see this lady, Oh, my gosh, this would have been years and years ago now, probably eight or 10 years ago. And at the time, she told me that I was meant to work with women. And I was like, okay, that's silly. Like what? Like, I'm, I'm throwing gas like, I like, I like what I'm doing now. And, and I get along with men better than women? Why would I want to work with women? And then now here I am. And I run women's circles, and I run events specifically for women. So did she predict my future? Or did she just plant that seed that I worked my way to eventually,

Seth Anderson:

myself? An interesting thought, I think that sort of lend my experience on that. When you did my reading, you said the number five was a sort of a thing that you sort of sensor, or whatever the case is. And as you know, we've been looking for a new place out in the Bray Creek area, and we did find a house and put an offer on it. And it's all successful. And there is a five in the house number. So I don't know, it's a really little thing. But when we I didn't even actually realize it until after we'd kind of put the offer in and everything but but then it's like, is that just a random coincidence? Or is there like something to it because you know, as soon as we walked in, we kind of knew that that was like the place and everything kind of felt great. And obviously that's like a very minor part of it. But that's where my head went. As soon as I realized what the minimum number of the house was.

Unknown:

That's really cool. And then to get sort of spiritual on you guys here for a second right time. As we notice, humans is linear, but anywhere else within the universe. It's not linear. When I say the number five Yeah, maybe I saw the five in your future and that's exactly where you went. But based on your own choices that you make, it changes your future, honestly, like anytime

Seth Anderson:

I that whole like time is now Linear, we just perceive it that way. concept. It just breaks my mind Linden and I were talking about it the other day. I'm deep quantum physic conversations with an eight year old. But like it, it's such a hard thing to like wrap your head around like time is not linear, but I don't know how to not perceive it that way.

Unknown:

Yeah, and it, it blows my mind. So this lady that I went to spirit could have been saying, Yeah, she's gonna work with women knowing that that was my absolute future. But then these other ones were, you know, you get these tarot card readings done and your future doesn't come true. Well, maybe that wasn't an absolute future, it was just the path that you happen to be walking, and you changed your mind. So I don't who really knows what the truth of the matter is? Right?

Seth Anderson:

I think another, you know, interesting thing when we've had a few chats over the last few months. And, you know, you've talked a lot about like boundaries. And I think when, you know, there's, there's a whole probably conversation on there when you talk about like personal boundaries, and not only like respecting other people's boundaries, but are you like appropriately setting boundaries of your time and yourself, which is made me think a lot. When you think of like the workplace or frequent business setting, I think that's probably one of the places where people are the worst at setting boundaries, right? Because you have a boss or a co worker, and they ask you to do something. And you know, depending on the power dynamics, or just you want to help somebody, I think often people will compromise their, their, you know, what their boundaries actually are to appease somebody else, or to try to look good or whatever, through sort of your coaching and just learnings. What advice do you have people when it comes to boundary setting? And and how do you sort of apply that in, in your sort of daily life? And what would you offer up in that regard? Well, that

Unknown:

we can, we can go multiple different directions with that one. Okay. So if you look at it the for in my own personal business, and the people that I want to work with, there is a boundary. And I suppose a standard around who I will accept into my events and who I won't accept into my events. And holding this boundary and upholding It is really important because it creates an appropriate space for everyone who's coming to this event and appropriate environment, where if I was just to let anyone in kind of all willy nilly, then I have less control over what might happen. And then I don't know if people are going to have a good time or going to get the right outcome from the event, right. So when I put these events together, I'm like, Okay, I know exactly what I'm looking for and who I want at these events. So that's a very important boundary to have. On the other hand, when it comes to work, and when I was working more in the corporate world, I had a boss one year, and she said to me, your review is fantastic, I wouldn't change a thing, only that you have to put email on your phone, because I want to be able to get ahold of you on weekends. And that was just it didn't sit well with me because I like to have that work life boundary. And so I ended up putting email on my phone or on occasion, I would answer emails when she needed them, but it was just kind of it. And that's probably part of the reason why I'm happy to not be in the corporate world anymore. Because I don't like those blurring of boundaries. I when I'm home I want to be home, I understand is that we're we're on a big project. And yes, you need to put in some extra hours. But I when I want to relax for the night, I don't want to email at 11pm and you need an immediate answer. Like that's just me as a as my own values. I was not okay with that.

Seth Anderson:

Email is a big one. And it's he I think gotten more blurry when you think of the communicator, you know, the modern day MSN, especially in the workplace, you know, there's it's always sort of on. And one thing I've had to do as a leader, you know, fairly large team of people who, you know, I could ask and get to do anything anytime of day, but I really asked myself before I send an email, like, what time is it? And especially when we're dealing with cross timezones in some cases, like, what time is it that I'm sending this message to this person? And I tried for a little while to do like, for tomorrow or not urgent and stuff like that, but honestly, like when I get those messages from a leader or somebody whether they're urgent or not, it's now occupying occupying my brain and I'm probably going to now do something or or I'm at least not going to enjoy whatever I was enjoying as much as I was because now that thing is on my mind. So I've really consciously as a leader had to really think about who's receiving this information that I'm sending to them. Is it clear? Is it concise? And does it is it the right timing, like timing, I think is is imperative in Everything that we do from a communication standpoint. So I think you know what your point, you know, most people need need a break, they need some time away, they need to, you know, if you equate it to like a hockey player or a baseball player, like they need some time away from the rink to just do their thing and get their head away from it. And I think increasingly on the business side, those lines are getting blurred with, you know, work from home, constant communication. And as leaders, we really need to be cognizant of that and take a step back and recognize, you know, what, and when we're sending people information. So I think it's a great point. Just the double bet, Oh, go ahead.

Unknown:

Sorry, I think a lot of it also is important to on your values. So you can talk about boundaries for your own personal values, but then values as a leader or values as your company, right, and creating boundaries around those values. So, for example, if personal life and business life management is an important value that you want to instill, then you want to make sure that you're not sending those emails past 5pm, that's a boundary, because you want your employees to have that balance. So just kind of recognizing what are your values are your company's values, and then building good boundaries around them so that no matter what happens, you don't lose sight

JP Gaston:

of those values, you what you were talking about is absolutely true. Like, I do the same thing now, and I didn't really do it before, but you know, you, you delay the delivery of an email to the next day, to try and make sure that you're, you know, keeping that that boundary for people. Because I mean, even when I get those emails, you don't, you don't see the for tomorrow line and think, okay, I don't need to deal with this till tomorrow, you think, Oh, I have a chance to impress my boss, by getting this done before two more. And you just end up working harder on it, then, you know, the sender intended. So like I, I have learned, especially over the last couple of years now to start to draw those lines, like, you know, when when is my phone on when is my email available, and I'm still not great at it. But I think I'm more conscious of it. And I'm a lot better about it than I was before. And hopefully those that get emails from me off hours, are no longer you know, feeling that pressure because I'm I'm making the conscious choice to defer them myself for that very reason.

Unknown:

Well, and I think it's important also to note that your boundaries can change, and you can flow and you can move them depending on the situations, like I was saying earlier, if you have a really urgent project that you need to get done, say within 24 hours, you're not going to stop working at 5pm, right, you're going to kind of be like, okay, boundary, you're going to just step aside for a second, because I need to get this project done. But on any other given day, you have that five camp boundary, so there's a flow, that and some boundaries, or maybe absolutely firm and you don't touch them and other ones, you're willing to go Okay, this can change, if absolutely needed kind of

JP Gaston:

like my relationship with Seth, we have some boundaries. And there, there's some ebb and flow,

Seth Anderson:

I was actually gonna ask you on that topic, because we've worked together for, you know, a few years? And do you notice a difference? Because it's one thing for me to say that I've become more conscious of boundaries, and that I, you know, I try to approach things differently. And, you know, while this podcast is different than our day job, do you find any difference in in my communication style, or or sort of our, our Evan flow boundaries working on this project versus some of the other stuff we've

JP Gaston:

worked on in the past? Well, now that we're not on the same team at work? I don't have any of the concerns of your late night. No, I like I think that, you know, I've certainly noticed a difference in you know, you've obviously you a few through a few interviews now. We've, we've we've uncovered a few of the changes that you've made over the last couple of years. And I've I've certainly noticed that too. But working on the podcast, like I would, I would say it's a lot more of a feeling of partnership and kind of working together and having those those lines drawn of when and where and what we're working on. And then you know, previously that that may have been a bit more vague. It may have been a bit more, you know, it's an idea in your head at 3am. And I recognize I'm usually going to bed at 3am. And you're usually waking up at 3am. But it's, you know, it might have been an idea in your head before and you would send it just thinking hey, I want to share this idea and not meaning anything by it. And now, you know, I feel like you're making the conscious choice to wait until appropriate times to have those conversations, which I appreciate.

Seth Anderson:

Well, thank you for the feedback. JP That's very nice.

JP Gaston:

You asked for it.

Seth Anderson:

But I think it's important that I do like with the people that I work with, I try to ask for coaching Yeah, like I do find like, when you reach a certain position in a corporate structure, it's hard to get coaching sometimes, especially from people who report to you. And so I've actually been on sort of this mission to like, ask my people directly, like, what coaching do you have for me because I like, I like to get, you know, feedback, I

JP Gaston:

like, What's wrong with me? What's wrong with me?

Seth Anderson:

If you don't know, and everybody's got it, everyone's got things they can work on and get better at and grow from, and, you know, if you don't know what they are, and if you're not, you know, making an effort to and if you're just sort of sitting in your bubble, thinking that you're perfect, you know, you're not going to get better. So I do think it's important that we give each other feedback, even as we go through this process, because we can, we can get better and we can learn from each other.

JP Gaston:

This podcast is perfect as we can't get. Is there anything, you know, when you when you have folks coming to you and you, and you're giving them some advice on, you know, things that they're things that they're pulling out from within? Like, what happened to Seth? is there is there anything that that you've noticed as a trend that people generally aren't aware of of themselves? Or that, you know, they they pull out of themselves? And they go, aha, that's the you know, this is my, this is my eureka moment.

Unknown:

Honestly, no, I don't think so the only time that something like that happens is so I read, sometimes at farmer's markets I used to, or there's like Christmas markets and things like that. And then over the course of a day, I will notice a trend happening. But I can't say that if I've read for someone, and then I read for someone a week later, and then a week later that the same trend is happening, like I'll see it over a day. But I won't see it over like weeks. Because it really just depends on the person I'm reading for and what they're going through,

Seth Anderson:

I think when you're reading a book, particularly about trauma impacts to the body. And I don't know if you're done that book, but you mentioned when we were chatting one day, is there anything like Are there any materials like that, or you know, other sort of books or podcasts that you've gotten into where you've been able to take sort of a concept and apply that into, you know, your offering, whether it be through your events? Or how you coach others?

Unknown:

Yeah, actually, there's a few. So the book that you're talking about is the body keeps the score. And it's how any form of trauma can physically and psychologically affect a person. So whether it's abuse in childhood, or you witness a horrific car accident and adulthood, or you go overseas as a soldier, and you come back with PTSD, and how, like any of those things can give you PTSD, but just how it rewires your brain and how you can be triggered. So I found that I found this book really fascinating, because the work that I like to do with people is I like to see the patterns, and I like to see maybe, where they're being triggered, or what's happening and kind of the thought process that they keep replaying within themselves. So that's that book, I definitely bring into the work I do. And then also, there's this lady on Instagram. And her handle is the holistic psychologist. And I believe it's the period holistic period psychologist. And she's fascinating because she has the background of being a psychologist for many years. And then she all of a sudden started switching into more spiritual based work. So more about breathwork more about yoga, more about healing your inner wounds and your inner child. And it's really fascinating to see how she brings her psychologist training and her school training, what she brings in versus what she leaves, because she talks about her own journey and how she was so unhappy going on office and just doing kind of textbook, whereas now she says, Oh, I get way more value out of the breath work that I do in this inner child work that I've done versus the talk therapy that I did in a psychologist chair. So I mean, everyone, it really kind of depends where you're at as a person, like maybe you need that talk therapy, and that's perfectly okay. But I think real change happens within yourself and actually going into the dark places that you don't want to look at. And she addresses that very well.

Seth Anderson:

What are you doing to, you know, ensure that you're continuing to grow? Like, do you have any, you know, sort of specific goals you have, or different things you're branching into or trying just to kind of keep keep growing, keep learning keep developing yourself as a as a person?

Unknown:

Oh, good question. So I love to read so I'm reading about three different books right now that body keeps the score is one of them. And then I'm reading another one on it's called dating deeper. And it's all about seeing what you think is a weakness is actually a strength. So for example, you've heard me a softball. I like to yell I get loud, I get competitive, I get like, super out there. And I know it can ruffle some feathers around way because people think that I'm being obnoxious or whatever. But this book makes you look at that and saying, Okay, well, you're not being obnoxious, you're not being loud, just for the sake of being loud, you're passionate, you absolutely love what you're doing. And it's just coming out in a very verbal way. And so I find that really fascinating, because it makes you look at what you think is you're being judged for what you think people might like about you, and how you can flip it and use it as a strength.

Seth Anderson:

It's an interesting point, because really, you know, to your point, you're not being obnoxious, you're you're being passionate, but someone may perceive that as obnoxious. And really, you can't control how each individual is going to perceive what how you're doing. It's just really what's your intent? And, and, you know, what are, you know, if you're, if you're aware of what you're doing, and why you're doing it, I think that's more important than worrying about what everybody else might be perceiving it as,

Unknown:

yeah, so I, I like to read books, because I want to learn, and then I learn it through myself and I go, Okay, well, I can't be the only one. So now how can I teach this to other people. And so I think it's kind of what I was talking about before with that, I'm gathering the rainbow. And so I feel like I jumped to a whole bunch of different knowledge centers, and I pick what resonates with me, and I'm just going to mush it into a rainbow. And then that will be my next course. And I'll be like, Hey, here's all the things that I've learned. And I want to teach it to other people now, because that's just what I love to do,

Seth Anderson:

I did want to touch on, you know, you talked about at your events, and I was lucky enough to attend one of your events. And, you know, just in terms of, you know, your your company and moving forward and what you're doing, you know, again, similar to the reading, didn't really know what I was getting into heading into it. But, you know, really enjoyed it. And you know, Caitlyn, and I, you know, we talked about it afterwards, and it generated some really good conversation on the ride home. I mean, it was kind of like a little bit of a date night sort of situation. And we really enjoyed just kind of doing something different, I guess, you know, for those who are listening to the pod and sort of we've whetted their appetite on, you know, sort of what you do, what kind of events you have coming up, you know, in the back half of the year, and you know, what kind of people are looking forward to, to attend your events.

Unknown:

So I really, I really loved running the event that you came to, because up until that point, all my events have been for specifically women, because that was where I was comfortable. And I wanted to help women and I wanted to raise women up to embrace their own power and embrace their own femininity. And however that looked to them. And then I, I've known for kind of a while it's been that little tickle in the back of my mind saying, Okay, well, men also need to realize this men also need to be a part of this conversation, because it's great to raise one side of the scale. But you also need to have men recognize and embrace that that is happening. I believe men and women are opposites, but they're complimentary opposites. So there's always going to be things that men are better at. And there's always going to be things that are that women are better at just naturally. And then there's always that flow that can happen back and forth. So I think it's important moving forward to have men be part of that conversation, because there's not going to be any changes when men are roughly 50% of the population, right. So if we don't embrace them, and bring them into this conversation, women are fighting an uphill battle, when we can just have, hopefully men help us with that battle.

Seth Anderson:

I think that's a great point. And I watched a lot of basketball, that's kind of my my thing in the last couple of years and definitely noticed, you know, this shift where, you know, the NBA players, for example, are really starting to promote the W NBA, really trying to, you know, promote women and basketball and you're seeing women get into the coaching ranks and all this great stuff. So there was that. And then I think another indicator for me, obviously, is having a daughter, and if she's molding into a spirited leader, I guess I would call her I don't know, the bossy, he could go that route. But you know, I see a lot of great leadership qualities in her for a three year old. And I guess it's made me more aware of, you know, gender equality and and as a leader, personally, or in business or whatever, just really being aware that, you know, women haven't always had a level playing field and haven't always gotten a fair opportunity. And I want to really create environments wherever I go, that, you know, if I think about my daughter, and you know, what kind of world is she going at workplace world, or, you know, culture is she going to enter over the next, you know, 1015 years, I want it to be a place where not only is she able to be included, like that's basically table stakes. That's the bare minimum but an environment where she can thrive and be as successful as she wants to be in whatever regard that might be. And so I think Seriously as a leader to open doors and to provide a platform and, you know, you're the you're the first woman that we've had on the podcast, and DP and I actually talked about, you know, we want to provide a platform for women, especially in leadership positions, running their own businesses, leaders in corporate environments, or athletics or whatever, an opportunity to share their stories and get their their stories out there. So we were excited to have you on and I just wanted to ask you, like, what does it mean to you to sort of be in that space leading, you know, on behalf of, you know, other women, but also like setting a course or setting a path as a business leader in Calgary for the future women to come?

Unknown:

It is. It's an experience, let me tell you, I've always been what feels like the Trailblazer and the person who's willing to go first and kind of put themselves out there. And, and because of it, I have, I've had made mistakes, and I have fallen on my face. And I've been like, Okay, well, this is a lot harder than I thought it would be. And it sucks like and in the moment when you're when you do that so called fail, right. And I put that in quotations because I don't look at things as failures anymore. I look at them as lessons, I think that's a huge mindset that you need to get behind is there not failures, they're practice their lesson so that next time you come to the same spot, because you will, it's now you know how to pass this hurdle effortlessly. So being a leader, and especially being a spiritual leader who wants to do Tarot and wants to bring this mindfulness and these events, I feel like I'm kind of breaking a bunch of stigmas and a bunch of tattoos with being a female leader and bringing spirituality and bringing in tarot cards. And it's not that I'm doing it on my own, like, I do have a business coach. And I do have female mentors, and I do have people that I depend on. So it's not that I'm doing it on my own. But I am also knowing that I'm not afraid to do it on my own. So I think it's important, like if you, if you want to go down a path that nobody's ever walked a path, man or women, it doesn't matter to do it, because you're always going to have support, there's always going to be someone who's walked a similar path, or maybe can help you with the first couple of steps until you get your feet up underneath you. So if you're wanting to be a leader, go do it like I don't, I would strongly encourage you to try because you never know until you try.

Seth Anderson:

Absolutely. And a lot of times, you know, people are more afraid of failing and never get started. And once you get past sort of that initial fear, whatever it is, I mean, you know, for me, and and you know how we got to know each other was through softball, like I had a big fear of, you know, I haven't played an organized game of baseball, and you know, 20 years, basically, of going out there and sucking. And you know what I went out there, and I would say I'm for my standard, I was not very good. But it was so much fun. And it was just great. And again, sort of to your leadership, you know, you've built this team of people that were just really fun to be around, and you sort of have that spirit, that energy excitement. And I don't know that we were the most talented team and obviously a lower tier of softball, and, you know, being what it is. But we went out there and we won our division. And I think more important than that, we had a lot of fun, that's hard to find in an organized sports setting, whether it be rec league, or professionally, or you know, amateur whatever, like it's tough to find a team, I've been a part a lot of teams JP has been a part of a lot of teams, I'm sure you have, it's hard to get onto a team where, you know, everybody's kind of having fun, and enjoying being there. And also working hard. And and you know, obviously winning is a great part. But, you know, you can see sort of some of the stuff you've talked about on the pod here. And just your leadership style. It's not just in your business and your personal life, it goes across everything that you do. And it's been a pleasure to be a part of it. So

Unknown:

thank you. And I and I think a big part of that is because when I put myself out there into these roles, I also do it because I want to have fun, being playful is a big part of my nature. And I don't want to be in a job or in a role or leadership role or anything like that, that I don't enjoy. And that's part of why I want to do entrepreneurship is because the corporate life I didn't enjoy anymore. So when I run softball, and I'm and I'm say opening it up for new people to join, I'm putting the intention out there that I want fun people who are going to be nice to be around the guy don't because our team is a rec league. And yeah, maybe we're in a lower division, but that doesn't matter. It's we're there to enjoy each other's company and drink beer and hopefully win some softball. But that was the intention behind the team. And that kind of comes back to the values and the boundaries that we were talking about is I value friendship and I value playfulness. And so when I built this team, that was the intention behind it was creating the space for people to just come and have fun. Absolutely.

Seth Anderson:

Kudos to you. I think I had a lot of fun and I think I speak on behalf of the rest of the team that you know I think everybody that can be will be back. And hopefully we can defend our title. Thanks for anything else you want to share in terms of you know where you're headed next and, and once you've got on deck or any, any shoutouts, you want to make

Unknown:

coming up, I just I'm hoping to put that event on again that you came to, I would like to do that every couple of months. So the timing of that would be at the end of October. So for those of you that hadn't heard about the event, it's all about disconnecting from your mind and coming back into your body. And every time I put it on, I want it to be just slightly different. So last time, it was a lot of with roses and chocolate and massage oil. And it sounds very essential and sexual, but it's not it was very, I don't know, how would you describe that event,

Seth Anderson:

I would almost describe it as like, you know, a bit of a meditative like a group meditation, like, I know, we did some meditation, there was like, almost like some stretching, you definitely push people out of their comfort zone a little bit. And I'm sure you'll kind of do that in different ways. I really enjoyed the the meditation part of it and just sort of the energy of the room. Because, you know, I've recently started into the self meditation, and doing that at home and, you know, just being in a room with others, and they're just sort of this like energy around it and kind of losing yourself in the moment. I thought that was pretty cool. And then, you know, just the different exercises that you had, were really, really rooted in mindfulness and, and seeing things through a different lens. And maybe you have before and stopping and you know, enjoying a moment and you know, fully immersing yourself in a moment, maybe just thinking about what you're doing for a minute versus kind of taking it for granted and just moving through the fast paced life that we do. So to me, it was like a just a, you know, an hour or what, however hour hour and a half to just really disconnect from the world and be in a warm energy, I guess I would say and that's that's how I took it anyway,

Unknown:

yeah, all about relaxing your that monkey mind and coming back into the present moment. And being here and sitting with whatever thoughts or feelings or emotions might come up no matter how uncomfortable they are. So I would like to do that. Again, I think at the end of October, beginning of November, and then I will be putting on my women's circles again. What I want to start doing those again once a month. And I'm toying with the idea of doing it on the first Wednesday of every month. So I just have to make sure the dates line up with the heart lodges where I do an OTA it's a really great space. If anyone's looking for a small intimate event space to work out of Melissa Hart Lodge. She's absolutely fantastic. where I'll be doing most of my events out of and so other than that, I'm just got the taro going on which I'm available always For Bookings we can you can find me on Facebook, or is Facebook is the divine coaching with Tarot or you can message my personal page is Lauren rose. Or you can find me on Instagram at love Lauren rose.

Seth Anderson:

Awesome. Well, I really enjoyed having you on the pod. And you know, hopefully, this thing is something that works out and we'd love to have you on again down the road here. And look forward to attending some of your events in the future. And, and yeah, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. This was a great time. It's great to chat with both you guys. Thanks a lot more and really appreciate it.

JP Gaston:

Yeah, you guys have a good night. Just want to thank Lauren rose for joining us for that conversation today. I thought it brought up some really great topics. And we have a new segment on our show today we are calling the podium and it will be the top three of something in a particular category or in today's case categories and we are joined in the virtual studio today by mama Zeff as I have affectionately dubbed her

Mama Seth:

Hi JP,

JP Gaston:

hi, Laura, we will get to her third so that you can wait in anticipation for her picks. But what we're going to do is go through our top three women in three different categories. For myself, it will be music, and then we'll go to to Seth for his category which he will intro

Seth Anderson:

Yeah, no, this is a hopefully it brings a little bit of fun to each episode going forward. And thank you for joining us mother.

JP Gaston:

So music was my category. And you know, I thought through who some of the some of the individuals were in music that I felt were kind of the most influential or who had a really big story to tell. I started with Ella Fitzgerald. I think she's had such an impact on so many musicians male and female over the years that it would be a sin not to choose Ella. My second one zeth might giggle at me but Cyndi Lauper choice Cindy did. I think she was the first one to win a Tony for Best Score without A male collaborator. So pretty big feat there, I believe, and great recognition for a pretty stellar musical career and kind of down the same vein, my third choice. My third, my third choice is actually Atlanta Morissette. I think she came out at a time when women were perceived kind of one way in music. And she shattered that perception with you know, Jagged Little Pill is a is an album that a lot of people, myself included, had and listen to you regularly. And she's gone on to have a pretty incredible career, both in music and an acting, which includes her playing God in Kevin Smith's dogma. So I can't leave her off the list if she's God. Right. So Seth, I will let you talk about your category and your top three,

Seth Anderson:

a great list JP, all pioneers in their own right, for sure. So I had sports as my topic. And for those of you who know me a little bit may venture a guess that I've may have slightly over thought this, you know, this bounce around in my head over the last couple of days when we're thinking about this, and I ended up with like, I think I have a list of like, 30 down here right now. You know, I was kind of thinking like what? Well, if you're going to have a top three lists, like, well, what what are the sort of the main components of sports, so really, there's like, the person on the field, or the athlete, I guess, would be one category, you have coaching as another category, then you have sort of executive ownership category. And then probably, you could probably add media in there, like those that sort of be like the four big pillars of sport, if you will. So I ended up with top three to 10 for each of them, not

Mama Seth:

you with the list, no way. I feel like I must an object and just tell the listeners that my son didn't play road hockey in the driveway, my son was trying to figure out your list. And you go out there and there'd be books full of lists of the teams he put together and the plays he put together while he stood in front of the net holding the hockey stick. So lists are just part of sass, like,

Seth Anderson:

Oh, yeah, that may be but here we are with another list. So

JP Gaston:

this is the first time it's really come in handy. It only took so many years and developing a podcast.

Seth Anderson:

And now it would be very handy every week when we do this. Anyway, where I landed on from an athlete leadership totally transcended sport, I think men women, you know, renowned around the world. To me, the one who kind of rises above is Serena Williams, you know, just what she's been able to accomplish from a purely athletic standpoint. And then you look at sort of what she went through the last couple of years coming back from, you know, pretty scary situation with her the birth of her daughter, and, you know, just the sort of crazy couple of years all around and to come back and still be able to perform the way she does. I think just setting an example for anybody anywhere who you know, wants to be great athlete. I think she's at the top of the list. But you know, I have another I have several more on this list that we could probably have a whole podcast about so three to Williams number one. The next one, I was thinking from the coaching lens, the leadership lens. There was a lot of great candidates here, where I landed on was Pat Summitt, or Patricia summit. She was the head coach of the UConn basketball team, I believe it was just a crazy, crazy illustrious career. So she won over 1000 games like her coaching record, over the 30 ish years that she was that she coached or 40 ish years, she went 1098 and 208. So an 841 head coaching record with eight NCAA Tournament championships. And just, you know, an unbelievable coach, by all accounts like so that I had her on my list. And then number three, just sort of more in that executive ownership type space. I think Michelle Roberts was someone of recent who stood out to me so she is the head of the player Union, the players Union for the National Basketball Association since 2014. And she's obviously but the, you know, the NBA pa through a pretty significant period of time over the, you know, the last better part of the last 10 years. And I think in particular, she was actually planning to retire earlier this year, and sort of stayed on board does help chart the course through this whole COVID situation. And when the the NBA got into the bubble, I think her leadership has been pretty outstanding. I listen to a few podcasts about the NBA and different things like that. And, you know, there were some pretty tricky situations that have come up over the last little while with some of the Black Lives Matter and social justice and things like that. Not to mention just you know, navigating this whole Coronavirus bubble, you know and going through over three months of of having several 100 people in there with no positive tests, I think is a remark accomplishment and she was sort of at the forefront of that. So that was, that was my top three list for women leaders and sports.

JP Gaston:

I'm glad you narrowed down the 37 others you had written out.

Seth Anderson:

There's a lot of other great women on here that I'd love to talk about. But for the sake of time, that's, that's where we're gonna carve it off for today. So I will pass it over to my mother for her picks, I believe on women leaders or

Mama Seth:

world leaders. Well, apparently this was homework I did not realize was homework. So it kind of quickly jotted down a list. It's tough because I think it's hard for any woman to become a political leader or like any kind of leader like that. That's, that's a hard. I can't even fathom what they go through. It's got to be really, really tough to break into that to be taken seriously to be listened to. So I mean, you've got, you know, Michelle Obama, of course, amazing Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I mean, what she did was, I guess she wasn't so much thinking she was a leader. I'm not sure how you a Supreme Court Judge like that, what that qualifies as, but she was pretty amazing and had a lot of impact. Definitely Angela Merkel, that what she's done with Germany's just like she's always so composed, and I quite envy her calm that she has even when she's dealing with complete idiots, or, or whatever she has to deal with. She always just comes across as so composed, and I really do envy her. She's one of the ones I really look up to. I really wish I knew her secret for staying as together as she does. And definitely my number one pick would be the leader of New Zealand you send to ardern just amazing woman, anyone that can be pregnant and give birth and nurse a baby all well running the country. Every mom out there knows how hard it is just to keep a household together. She kept a country together during a pandemic. Just absolutely somebody I think for any woman girl man to idolize, to be able to do that and not fall apart. And it's it's pretty amazing in her number of states alone during COVID. And she's just quite an amazing woman. So I think she definitely would be my my number one woman leader that I think is just amazing. So that's my thrown together last minute list.

JP Gaston:

It's better than my not thrown together list of top leaders. Those impressive,

Seth Anderson:

well done. And thank you for joining us, Mother, I think I think you represented well. So to recap, JP, I think for your list your top three women leaders in music, or

JP Gaston:

Ella Fitzgerald, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette,

Seth Anderson:

for sports. We had Serena Williams, Pat Summitt, and Michelle Roberts. And for women, political leaders.

Mama Seth:

I had Michelle Obama, but Ruth Bader Ginsburg for sure. Angela Merkel, and you send an order. Those are my top three.

Seth Anderson:

Thank you for listening this week, everyone.

JP Gaston:

Thanks to thanks to mama Seth, for joining. We'll we'll have to invite you back so that we can get all of the scoop on Seth over the course of the next several weeks.

Mama Seth:

Thanks for inviting me guys. It was fun.

JP Gaston:

We might just have to exchange emails on the side so that I can keep getting updates on little stories that I can insert into the show. Absolutely. I

Mama Seth:

will gladly tell you a little fun piece of info trivia each time

Seth Anderson:

and I was even gonna let you plug your business mother but now I don't

Mama Seth:

know. Anyone looking for anything custom beyond the beaten path course. Check us out Facebook web sites, Instagram, Twitter, Pinterest. We got a little bit of everything. Check us out. Thank you. You're welcome. Bye guys.

Voiceover:

Join us next week as we talk with Daniel Delgado, one of the founding members of tradespace. And thanks for listening to Episode Two of The Biz Dojo

Intro w/Seth & JP
The Interview: w/Laure Rose (Divine Coaching with Tarot)
Wrap Up (w/"The Podium")