Core Wounds with Lisa Tahir

Join me for this special episode, Core Wounds with Lisa Tahir.

I am honored to have Lisa Tahir join me to explore Core Wounds.
Lisa is a licensed therapist, host of All Things Therapy podcast, artist, and author of, "The Chiron Effect: Healing Our Core Wounds through Astrology, Empathy, and Self-Forgiveness," endorsed by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

As a special thank you, Lisa has a fantastic offer to work with her at a major discount.  Just mention “Art of Healing Podcast” for her unlimited service for 30 days at a major discount!

Here is where to find Lisa:
www.nolatherapy.com
Instagram:  @nolatherapy
Facebook:  @Chironeffect
Twitter:  @TahirLcsw

Lisa and I are discussing “Core Wounds”

During this episode Lisa and I explore Core Wounds, how they show up in you body and life, and what’s the next step.

Would you like to get you Astrology Chart?    Lisa recommends www.astrotheme.com
Lisa also has a tool to help you determine where Chiron is in your birth chart here:https://www.nolatherapy.com/chiron/

During this episode, Lisa shares her innovative and unique approach to therapy combining personal psychology and Astrology.  Her book The Chiron Effect-Healing Our Core Wounds  is available for purchase now…I highly recommend starting her book as I have to accelerate your healing journey.

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Transcript

Charlyce Davis: 0:55

Hello, Art of Healing podcast listeners. Thank you so much for joining me. I am so excited to have a special guest on the Art of Healing podcast show. I am joined by best selling author Lisa to here. So Lisa is a therapist who has a bicoastal practice. She practices in both New Orleans and in Los Angeles. She's a licensed therapist and she hosts a podcast called All Things Therapy. She's also an author, and her book is The Chiron Effect, healing Our Cores through ato Astrology, empathy and Self-Forgiveness. And her book has been endorsed by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. So for you listeners, you'll want to definitely have a listen to this episode. Maybe have a listen twice because she s hares some information about some of your own astrological chart reading. And I did ask Lisa to give us a recommendation about how to get your own details o f your own astrology reading, particularly if you're planning on getting a copy of her book and working through it. Also, she has a really special offer to share with you listeners that you'll wanna listen all the way to the end. It's a really great offer that you'll wanna take her up on. Enjoy. All right, Lisa, thank you so much for joining me as an Art of Healing podcast guest. I gotta tell you when I first started to b eing acquainted with your work and what you do, I have been hoping that someone with astrology, k nowledge w ould show up a nd you did and then of course, someone with your background showed up of course. But, I have prepared some topics I wanted to cover with Lisa. And the first one of these is for the listeners that are tuning in, an d that are gonna probably wanna get copies of your book. You us e b oth psychology and astrology. And I did mean to ask you this before we got together, but do you have recommended resources if someone wants to do their full astrology chart reading, is there something that you prefer to use when you work with your clients?

Lisa Tahir: 3:32

I do, Charlyce. And first, I want to thank you for having me on Art of Healing. I love that you combine medicine with Reiki and energy healing. It's so rare to see a physician doing that and I, I hope it becomes more and more widespread. And so thank you for who you are and what you do in the world and for having me on.

Charlyce Davis: 3:55

THank You.! Thank you. You're welcome. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Lisa Tahir: 3:59

Yes, you're welcome. And I do a website that I really like because it makes astrology easy to understand. I'm a psychotherapist, not an astrologer, so I bring in astrology and the placement of Chiron through a psychological and taking of personal responsibility lens, which I know we're going to get more into, but if you don't already have a favorite site to look at your whole chart, I really like Astro theme A s t r o t h e m e.com because they have a lot of learning resources there as well. And you can get different variations of your chart and there's so much information to educate you if you don't already know. And for those of you that are more advanced in astrology, it will speak to you as well because there's so many different ways that you can pull up your chart that it could be really exciting for somebody with a lot of education and experience in astrology.

Charlyce Davis: 5:03

Oh, great. Thank you. I have just started into reading your book as well and I'm doing my process and as I start reading it, I thought, oh wait, am I gonna need my entire chart? So thank you for sharing that. Cause as the listeners are gonna want to probably for themselves and I will be, um, getting a little bit deeper into my own astrology chart. I know I'm an Aquarius, I know I have a moon sign and Leo, and then that's about all that I know. So I plan to dig deeper as well. So, um, Lisa, can you share with us what, how do you des how do you define psycho-astrology and how useful is this?

Lisa Tahir: 5:43

Sure. Charlyce. So for me, words are really fun. A favorite book of mine is the dictionary and has been since I was young. And when I was writing and researching my book in conversation with a friend, we came up with psycho-astrology which simply demarcates that intersection between our personal psychology, our upbringing, family of origin, genetic predispositions, as well as where that meets our natal astrology, our birth chart astrology. And for some of you, like me, you might have a little struggle around astrology that, hey, something in the stars dictates my life because that's what I used to believe Charlyce. But I've come to understand that we actually wrote our astrology chart as creators. We wrote and pre-paved the life that we wanted to come here to live on planet earth. And therefore, we are able to really change our life experiences through what we believe is true for us, which is what, what my book really gets into shifting your thought patterns, which then create belief systems which then dictate the behaviors that we engage in and don't engage in the orbit that we habituate and call our daily routine of people, places and things, and the people places and things that orbit us. And I see us like a mini solar system, Charlyce, we're little planets and we habituate our daily routine and call it our li lives. And we really have a lot of free will and choice to keep what we like and change what doesn't feel so good to us through understanding our patterns of thought, often sourced in core wounding, which is what a limiting belief really is. It's decisions we make about ourselves and life when something wounds us. And that's what my book helps for you to really change and look at so you can be happier and, and not hold yourself back because of things in the past that have hurt you.

Charlyce Davis: 7:53

Mm-hmm.<affirmative> mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, I've, I've shared some with, with my community that one of my, my hobbies is astronomy. I like to stargaze. Oh yeah. And um, and, and, uh, which you'll understand too, like, you know, on the other side of the spectrum, there are a lot of people who get furious if you bring up astrology and Right. You apply that the stars can have effect. But something that you said that is kind of my per personal belief is that, you know, we create our reality with our patterns, with our a existence. And I personally believe that every, every mass has its own gravity that you attract. So maybe you have the gravity of yes, a human or gravity of a planet, or gravity of a galaxy, but you attract, you know? So, um, yeah, I do like to play with I love that. Yeah. Yeah. And Iri, I thought, yeah, this jives exactly what I feel. So, and can you correct me? Is it Chiron? Is this Chiron

Lisa Tahir: 8:52

Or, yeah, you got It, Chiron. C h is like a K. Okay.

Charlyce Davis: 8:56

Chiron,

Lisa Tahir: 8:56

Chiron

Charlyce Davis: 8:57

Can you share with us who and what is Chron?

Lisa Tahir: 9:02

Absolutely. You know, Chiron has been written about for in, in ancient and more modern traditions, Carl Jung wrote in his work on the collective unconscious. Chiron is the archetype of the wounded healer, meaning that within us, our wounds contain the propensity and power to transform our lives. And we see that in Greek mythology. Chiron was the Greek centaur, half man, half horse of the healing arts and Greek mythology. And when we go to the doctor today, Charise, and you see the staff of medicine, the staff with the two snakes twisted around it, that was given to as escapist by Chiron, the, the Greek mythological founder of medicine, of therapy, of botany, of psychology, of the healing arts. And as well in astronomy, which you love, Chiron, c h i r o n was discovered as a minor planet and a comet. It has both designations in astronomy, which is rare, and it orbits, it has an elliptical orbit between the planets of Saturn and Uranus. It was discovered in the early seventies. And in astrology, Chiron speaks to the planet slash minor comment, Chiron, where that falls and one of the 12 signs. So just like you said, you're a Leo moon, an Aquarius sunshine. Is that accurate? Yes. Yes. That, that Chiron is in one of those 12 signs of the zodiac. And again, believing in astrology or not isn't important in my book because astrology is kind of the, the diagnostic point. What's really significant is what it reveals as far as an area on a spectrum of core wounding or vulnerability that's on a spectrum. Some of you, some of us have deep core wounds. If we've experienced childhood trauma and abuse, for example, if you were neglected or abandoned, there's certainly more of a, of a wounding that you had to figure out how to, how to manage, how to, how to cope with. And it might let have left you feeling like you're not good enough or you're not important or valuable. And then that's what plays out. And your adult relationships where you don't feel valued, you don't feel seen and heard as examples. And some of you, this might be more of an ouch, an area of vulnerability, like your life is going well, you might have some vulnerabilities, but you didn't have these pain points experiences in your life. So wherever you fall in the spectrum, it's okay. Chiron wants you to know this area of yourself so you don't feel like you have to keep hiding it from others. Like you might meet someone new and, you know, of course we lead with all the good things about ourselves, but we might feel ashamed about mistakes we've made. And and that's not helpful. You know, we all, none of us are perfect and we don't have to be. So knowing where Chiron is can help you understand where you just need to strengthen yourself. Does that make sense?

Charlyce Davis: 12:17

It makes perfect sense. And, um, if you don't mind, maybe we can del delve a little bit into what a, a core wound is in my head. I can think of it in my own life, for instance, is like, this keeps happening and it's unfair for myself. Right? And, and um, for the listeners, I shared with Lisa that I am working through my own process using her book, which has been just amazing. I, I will share at some point, but it's been very, very helpful. But, and I register like core wound for others, I will sometimes sense it's like, um, like when I work with my patients, like, hmm, why does that keep happening to this person? But can you describe what is a core wound?

Lisa Tahir: 13:01

Of course. And, and what you're saying is really important because we do Charlyce, sometime, you know, come to our adult lives and we're feeling hopefully predominantly good, predominantly well, but there might be this one area that stumps us from time to time. And unfortunately we, we sometime make meaning that something's wrong with us and we might shy away from those things that have been painful. And I talk in my book about, it's like putting your hand on a hot stove. You, you never wanna do that again. But unfortunately we sometimes do that with relationships, with dating, with trying new things, with, you know, putting ourselves out there because something might have been so painful. Like that meta metaphorical hot stove we touch that we might then limit our life experiences to avoid hurting. And that can keep us from so many wonderful things that life has for us. So an example of a core wound is if Kyron falls in the sign of Aries that speaks to a wounding or vulnerability and your sense of your value and worth. And a person with this wound or vulnerability looks like often a really successful person, you would never know that they struggle with self-esteem or valuing themselves because this person typically is a type A achiever. You've achieved a lot of public success, yet deep down you don't feel like you're good enough. And that's actually what keeps you doing, doing, doing. Even when you're exhausted and depleted, you feel like it's never enough, which deeper you feel like you are never enough. And it's really depleting and depressing to achieve so much, but never feel like, you know, you're adequate. And we see this with a lot of very successful people that commit suicide, that take their lives. And it'll be like a CEO of a huge company, often really wealthy and it's like, oh my gosh, they had everything but they didn't feel connected to what they had. So recognizing Chiron in this placement having to do with your value and worth, you can start working with getting out of performance based love, out of achievement to define yourself and step into more of what does it feel like for me to just be, if I never achieved another thing, can I start to value myself because of who I am? That I'm kind, that I'm generous, that I might go outta my way for people to help them and start to develop your self-esteem through those more intrinsic ways of finding meaning I talk about versus extrinsic value and meaning source through work and public accomplishment. And that could help shift that one pattern. And it's like this with the other core woundings, Chiron and Taurus having to do with the core wounding by neglect. This is where we might see sexual abuse happening in someone's past or a parent that had an addiction and neglected their emotional needs or was a workaholic and was working to provide for the family, but was never at, you know, your dance recitals or football games. And you wondered why like, am I not important enough? Does that speak to what you were curious about Charise?

Charlyce Davis: 16:19

It sure does. So, um, um, when I'm, when I'm working with the, the largest number of humans I work with my patients, um, one pattern I'll see, and you actually gave it words, is a patient that I might be treating that has several autoimmune diseases cuz I'm internal medicine in my day job. So that's the, that's the part that brings them to me. And then I'll learn that they have had a history of being sexually abused as a child. And then I also learn that in their current marriage they're being abused. Yeah. So I'll, I'll see like bo you know, I'll see that over and over. And so, you know, with I have just very basic working knowledge of astrology sometimes. Yeah. I look at their birthdate and I'll wonder, but I, and I will wonder like why is this happening over and over again for this poor person? Um, yeah. You know, holding empathy for them. But I really do question like why, and it's, and that is a pattern I'll actually see that's an, an an, a good type of patient for me. Um mm-hmm<affirmative>. So my role of course is dealing with the physical body where the body is turned on itself. But right then, you know, I don't ever have the luxury of finding out why. Um, so yeah, that does,

Lisa Tahir: 17:43

I think what you're saying is so important, charise, because from what I've seen and read, having to do, you mentioned autoimmune disorders mm-hmm.<affirmative> and the emotional connections to what, you know, what emotionally might cause the body to start, you know, misfiring in that way. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and from what I have read and understand, stood there's often fear underlying, you know, an area of fear in this person's life that's been really there, you know, that they can trace looking back, unhealed fear and certainly that's present in sexual abuse. And also being somehow mistreated or abused in a current partnership or marriage or fear in maybe expressing fully who you are in the world that I've seen fear really underlying autoimmune disorders. And I've also seen anger underlying cancers, you know, anger that's really lodged in the person's body that that hasn't been expressed adequately, hasn't been received or anger turned inward at the, on, you know, at the person themselves. Where I think self-forgiveness is really important. And I talk in my book about the role of self-forgiveness to heal ourselves. I'm speaking emotionally and psychologically and certainly it relates to physical healings as well to forgive ourselves, forgive our bodies even for working against us cuz that's what it's looking like. And autoimmune for sure. And cancer, like my body's betraying me. And to really get to the deeper, you know, emotional root causes of what, what might I need to forgive myself for, that I'm holding myself hostage about or blaming myself, shaming myself, and start to send really loving, kind messages to the cells of your body. And I wonder what you think and believe about that as a doctor.

Charlyce Davis: 19:40

So, um, everything you're saying is exactly what I often wish to put towards. Um, it would just be such a luxury because, um, you know, I'm in a high volume practice and I see this real time every day more than anyone can imagine. And um, you know, because I'm dealing with the physical signs and we've got medications and all the serious stuff and the labs and the diagnostics, but, you know, I really would like to slow down and, and actually say like, you know, why, why are you turning against yourself? Where did you stop? Right? Where did you never learn to love yourself? Um, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that everything you're saying is exactly what I feel. It's just that in the flow of my work, um, you know, we don't get that luxury. I keep on it's a luxury. It really would be a luxury. Um, so hopefully

Lisa Tahir: 20:34

To have that time to really sit and talk Oh yeah. With your patients and explore some of this. But I think you get to do that here on your podcast. I think that's a beautiful thing. Thank you. That, that people, your patients can listen. Yeah. You know, to do that, some of that with themselves and that, that was a hope and intention of my book is that you take it and take time mm-hmm.<affirmative> with yourself. I suggest in the beginning to get a journal, even a candle Yes. And spend maybe 20 minutes sitting and read. I I ask you questions to reflect and you really hit on it charise, where what, how did you turn against yourself? Cause that's really this core wounding piece is, you know, where we turn against ourselves to make meaning of something in our lives that didn't make sense. And to, to shift that, to, to stop blaming ourselves and shaming ourselves for it and forgive ourselves and really ask to align with those solutions in moving forward with our lives.

Charlyce Davis: 21:33

So my next question, um, and yeah, I did ask you to go a little bit more into core wound cuz I know for me that was a term I was actually pretty new to. Um, would there be other ways that others might describe a core wound? So I, you describe core wound to me perfectly. I'm seeing it all the time, but I didn't have a name for it. But would there be a way we describe a core wound that, or that shows up in your practice?

Lisa Tahir: 22:00

Sure. And Charlene's core wounding has definitely been called different things throughout, throughout the ages. Uh, in fact, Sigmund Freud in 1914 coined the repetition compulsion, which I talk about in my book, is being a pattern of relating that we encounter the same issue, say in different relationships with different people and we're trying to heal it, but we seem to repeat these unhealed patterns. And then after Freud, the object relationships, you know, talk spoke about as well, this core wounding pattern, this repetition of adult relationships that we experience in childhood with our caretakers and kind of the things that didn't work, we tend to attract that to us. And even modern day teachers, my mentor and friend Catherine Woodward Thomas, who wrote the book Unconscious unc Uncoupling that Gwyneth Ptro used in her separation from her husband, Kathryn talks about the source fracture wound, which is her way of, of articulating core wounding where it's like this area that something happens in our lives and in our mind where we really make these beliefs up about ourselves. Like I remember growing up in a family where there was, um, emotional trauma and abuse and in all the yelling, you know, feeling really scared and thinking that, oh my gosh, relationships are scary or marriage is scary. And, and kind of not knowing at that young age, I was kind of starting to make a pattern in my mind, a belief system about relationships and I didn't realize till I was older, well that's not something I wanna keep carrying around that just because my parents, you know, were hot, were yelling in their relationship doesn't mean I will and mine and it doesn't mean love is scary. So I want to release that pattern of love, being fearful of love, being scary, of love, being conflicted and, and angry. And it took some years for me in therapy to uncover that that was even a belief I had to release it and adopt instead. You know, I believe that love is safe, I believe that love is patient and kind, and that we're gonna work through things together from a place of curiosity and support. So is that helpful to kind of speak about it in a slightly different way? Mm-hmm.

Charlyce Davis: 24:24

<affirmative>. Yes. Thank you so much. It definitely is. And mm-hmm.<affirmative>, while we're still discussing core wounding, um, I would like to ask you, for anyone that's listening that is, um, and I sense is gonna be strongly resonating with what you're saying about where they stand in their own life and what's happened as far as their own core wounding. Um, how does one move from awareness that the core wound is there into transformation or move into just knowing it's there into healing that core wound? Um, how, how does that happen? Can you describe that for us?

Lisa Tahir: 25:02

Yeah, I like your question because I've recently, and I did a YouTube video about it on Nola therapy, my YouTube channel, where typically we think of people as good and bad. And, and to me that's so limiting that there's evil people even that it, it's so, uh, there's such polarity when when we look at ourselves and others, we we're on a range, we're on a spectrum. And I came up with this recent, literally within the last two months where I see people in this spectrum of, of healed to unhealed. And so there's those of us that are say, healed. You know, we're, we're like really doing well. We've addressed the things in our past that have held us back and we're really rocking out our lives. And so there's the healed category, then there's the healing. And I think most of us in the wellness field are in between the healing and healed. You know, we might get triggered, so we have to do a little healing, but then we feel mostly healed. We're we're kind to others. People are kind to us and we've really stepped into awareness and, and putting into practice when we need to do some healing work, we might go work with a therapist we've had for a while, or we might go see a different kind of practitioner. We know when we need to do some work on ourselves. And then I see thirdly people that are, that are unhealed and aware, and this might be the person you meet to say, date them and they're like, oh, you know, I like you, but I'm really in a bad spot. I just got out of this relationship. So they have an awareness, like something's not right. I'm not really there, I'm not available. But they might not have stepped yet into, say, booking the therapy sessions or starting the practices of healing and looking at one's self. And so they're aware that I have an area that's not quite fixed within me or whole, but like I'm not quite ready to do that work yet. And then there's those that are unhealed and really unaware, oblivious, and, and those are the people. I think that that cause a lot of harm. We hear that wounded people wound others, and that experience is really about someone who's unhealed hiding their pain in you because they've disconnected from it so much that they're not, you know, we see this in the, in the empathy deficient disorders like narcissism for example. And so that's when you develop a relationship with that person's pain thinking it's a relationship with them. Does that make sense? So it's like the spectrum of being in relationship to what we need to heal or look at and how much personal responsibility we're taking for it with my book is really big on having an awareness. Okay, I've been wounded, I've been, I feel vulnerable in this area and it might not be my fault why this happened or why I'm here, but it's our responsibility. What do I need to do now aware that this has hurt me? How do I heal so I can be happy? You know, so I can really be healthy and be my full and whole self in this world and unlimited versus limited by what's happened to us. And I want people to really be empowered.

Charlyce Davis: 28:20

Um, as I am reading your book and working through the process, what always plays in my mind and my heart is empowerment. That is the sense I get is I'm, I'm journaling is I'm answering the questions that you ask, um, which I love because, um, something I have asked myself, definitely my own patients and clients have asked me is mm-hmm<affirmative>, once we, we figure this out, oh, you know, a patient even asked me this earlier this week. Okay, now we, we talked about it and this is hard. So now what, what do I do? Um, and I would translate this like, once we know this core wound is here, is it gonna keep coming back?

Lisa Tahir: 29:02

Is that a question?

Charlyce Davis: 29:03

That's a question. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so if we identify, um, I think you mentioned, um, like the, if you're, if Kyron is in Taurus in your house of Taurus,

Lisa Tahir: 29:12

At least to the

Charlyce Davis: 29:13

Neglect, so let's say, okay, I've identified that. Now what, is this just gonna be something I do every decade in my life? I feel neglected is this

Lisa Tahir: 29:22

No, I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. Like, what do I do? Is this gonna keep coming back? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, I'll use an example, uh, as something that I have experienced personally in my own healing journey and I I often share with clients when it's appropriate is I see these triggers, this pain, this core wounding areas of vulnerability as like music coming through a speaker, a stereo, and it's like really loud when you're hurting. Like when you're in grief, when you're grieving the loss of someone or something that that's really loud. And as you heal, the volume gets turned down lower and lower and lower to to wear. Yes, there are definitely moments where it's like off where you're not, you're not feeling triggered, you're not feeling wounded, you're feeling really, uh, good about yourself. You're feeling, uh, you're relating to yourself and others and ways that light you up, you feel seen and heard, you're seeing and hearing others. And I'll use myself for an example with Kyron being in the sign of Aries and that vulnerability and wounding and my sense and value of worth. Once I learned that charise, I could really focus whenever I felt off about something or someone, I was like, okay, is this an aspect of me not feeling valuable and worthy? And, and every time it was, and I asked myself then, well how, how can I value and respect myself here in this situation? Do I need to say something to that person or do I just need to say something to myself and discerning? And there have been some circumstances where I do need to have a conversation with someone and say, Hey, I'm not feeling really valued or respected. I'm wondering what that's about for you. Have I done something to offend or hurt you that I can take responsibility for and make amends Or, or is this something more sourced within you? And you know, sometime the person can have the conversation with you and sometime they, they can't or won't. And the, the good news is that you're able to have the conversation. It's about your growth. That was about my growth that I could have conversations that I never used to be able to have cuz I was scared they might leave. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, and even if they do, at least I like took a stand for myself and asked about the situation, really wanted to repair it versus continuing to sacrifice my own emotions to be in a friendship or a relationship that I felt badly in. So you do get to a place where this is like really healed for you. And as we go through life, you know, we expand, we grow, we try new things and it's like, oh, we might encounter that vulnerability again or we might momentarily feel wounded, but we have the skills now to heal it, to talk about it. Hey, this didn't feel so good to me. Or, you know, I did something that didn't feel so good to me. So we learn a whole set of skills to manage whenever this area of vulnerability or wounding comes up, we, we know what to do to be, again, really empowered.

Charlyce Davis: 32:27

Wow, thank you so much. I think that it helps to know, and I will share it for the listeners, that as you read Lisa's book, you really will feel empowered. Um, I know that when I first started I was a little nervous to even get into my own core wounds. Like, oh no, but it's like, here we go, that wax off here goes. But it's, yes, that at all. It's, it's a very, very gentle process and really very empowering. And I have to say, Lisa, the pacing of your book, I'm, I'm really liking the way you share your experience and you have things for us, the reader to do really helps working through this process. Um, and I'm, I'm really looking for, cuz I actually don't know exactly where my house, I don't know where my house of Chiron's gonna land yet. I haven't gotten to that point, but I'll let you know,

Lisa Tahir: 33:16

Lisa. Well, you know, yeah. And if you go to my website, nola therapy.com and go to my book page, it's a button that says order my book. I just had a new, um, connection there. So now it takes you right to where you enter your, your date of birth, your place of birth, and if you have it, your time of birth and it literally will give you kyron, isan, blah. So you don't have to look at an astrological chart, you don't have to read that wheel. That's very complex. So it's a new plugin that I just added to help you find where Kyron is. So it, it's much more easy than it, it used to be. And I, I really appreciate what you said that, that my book was approachable and gentle because I want people to know that healing, it can be, it can be gentle and easy instead of something we're so afraid to do. Like I'm gonna be, I'm gonna go to therapy and be depressed for six months cuz I'm looking at this painful stuff where it's like really we can heal in a way that allows us to still be in our lives as a at, you know, working, being in relationships, being with friends. Like I want it to be user friendly so that you, you know, you can really do this to completion, to fullness. And cuz a lot of times, you know, therapy is presented is like, it's gonna be painful, it's just gonna be awful and you might have some awful painful moments, but it's, it's not gonna be worse than you've already experienced without that support. So I'm here to like support you with my book and my work so that you can have an easier experience in your life.

Charlyce Davis: 34:54

Speaking of Lisa, do you mind sharing with the listeners where they can find you because you are a podcaster, you have a website, you have a worldwide presence, you're on social media. Do you mind sharing some of your handles and a little information about your podcast?

Lisa Tahir: 35:11

No, I love that. I appreciate that so much. Charise, my website as I mentioned is nola therapy.com, standing for New Orleans los angeles therapy.com. Those are the nola therapy.com. That's also my instagram nola therapy.com. I think if you put Lisa ta here, i I will come up certainly if you google my name Lisa Tahi, all of the, the connections come up and I'd really love to connect with your audience cuz I love what you do chars. I love that you're a doctor and you incorporate reiki. It's so powerful that you have that medical knowledge and degree and licensure because you get to reach patients and people that, myself being a clinical social worker, you know that I don't. So you're in such a powerful place to help people access other modalities, integrative medicine that you talk about and represent. And I'd love to give anyone from your audience half off either an individual session to work with me on Zoom, FaceTime, or phone or half off a monthly unlimited. Uh, I got that from, you know, like used to when I was growing up in New Orleans, there were all these like, you know, you pay$5 and drink all night. So I thought, what if you paid a certain amount of money and you had unlimited therapy all month? So I I I initiated that at NOLA Therapy<laugh>.

Charlyce Davis: 36:32

I love that. I've never heard of that and I love it. Thank you.

Lisa Tahir: 36:35

No, I haven't either. So just say if you wanna text me like Lisa do, you have five minutes and as soon as I have that, that time I'll text you back and you know, we'll do unlimited sessions however longer short based on my schedule for a 30 day period. So it's half off that as well. Just mentioning you, your show, art of Healing podcast and um, to really offer that to your world.

Charlyce Davis: 36:59

Lisa, thank you so much for joining me. Listeners, you know, I would really take her up on her offer. That's an amazing offer. Thank you so much, Lisa.

Lisa Tahir: 37:10

You're welcome. I appreciate you so much.

Charlyce Davis: 37:13

Thank you. And listeners, I will be back with you very soon. Thanks so much. Bye-bye. And once again, thank you so much for joining me for this special episode with my guest Lisa to hear. Um, I will make sure that you have access to all of her information and for those of you that sign up to get my weekly newsletter because every week I send out an email to let you know a podcast came out. I'll make sure that you have her information so that you can take her up on her special offer. Um, this podcast is always a pleasure to create and I just love the way that I get to connect with people from all around the world. So if you are a listener, just so you know, and you may not be aware, but I do send out a weekly newsletter. Within that newsletter. You can actually download the podcast straight to your device and then we share other bits of information. But this one is a good one because there's a really valuable offer that'll be within that email. So if you'll check your show notes, I will have a link there where you can sign up, you can stay in touch. You'll also be able to find Lisa's information. Thank you so much listeners, and I will be joining you soon. Thank you. Bye-bye.