Expanded Awareness-Deepening Your Meditation with Technology with Holly Copeland

Expand your awareness and learn how you can deepen your meditation with my guest, Holly Copeland.

Holly Copeland, MA is a certified Human Potential coach and Biofield Tuning Practitioner, NeuroMeditation and Subtle Energy Meditation teacher, and Reiki Master. She teaches non-dual awareness and subtle energy meditation techniques and uses neurotechnology, Reiki and tuning forks in transformative quantum healing experiences and in her coaching work.​

Founder of HeartMind Alchemy, and as a former scientist turned meditation teacher and coach, Holly unites ancient wisdom with modern science and harnesses modern technology and neuroscience to empower clients on their path to human flourishing and upgrading from “ordinary mind" to luminous awareness. She guides people out of the muddy waters of the thinking mind to live in flow joyfully and effortlessly from their own inner compass--their own stable ground of being.

During this episode we discuss:

• How to use technology to initiate or deepen your meditation practice.
• A Guided Practice to Expand Awareness

Holly shares tools that she uses, and she has pooled resources to get discounts to those that are interested in getting started with The Muse and other devices:

Check out Holly's Cool Things

How Holly Rewired her Brain

You can find Holly at:

Instagram: @hollyerincopeland

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/heartmindalchemy

Twitter: @hecopeland

Linked in: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heartmindalchemy/

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:55

Hello, art of Healing podcast listeners, thank you so much for joining me for the month of December, which will be one of our last episodes for this year. Um, it's been an awesome season of recording and I feel like I get to finish on just a really great note. I'm joined today with my guest, Holly Copeland, who is a certified human potential coach and biofield tuning practitioner, neuro meditation and subtle energy meditation teacher. And she's also a reiki master. She teaches non-dual awareness and subtle energy meditation techniques, and she also uses neurotechnology reiki and tuning forwards in transformative quantum healing experiences. And in her coaching work, she's the founder of Heart Mind Alchemy, and she's a former scientist turned meditation teacher. And coach Holly unites ancient wisdom with modern sinus science and harnesses modern technology and neuroscience to empower her clients on the path to human flourishing and upgrading from an ordinary mind to luminous awareness. She guides people out of the money waters of thinking mind to living and flow and joyfully and effortlessly from their own inner compass. Thank you so much, Holly, for joining me today. How are you doing?

Speaker 2: 2:22

I am doing great. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm just delighted to be

Speaker 1: 2:27

Here. Thank you so much for joining me. So listeners, um, as I'm learning about Holly, I think it's really interesting she's got this science background. Um, you, and you know, it just occurred to me, Holly, you probably already know this, but your background reminds me a lot of, uh, Barbara Brennan. Um, mm. I dunno if you saw that parallel before, or I don't know if you've read any of her books. Hands of light.

Speaker 2: 2:54

I have hands of light, yes. And I'm, that's a, a very flattering comparison. Thank, she's incredible. So thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 3:01

She just occurred to me you have a very similar background. So, um, so, um, I have a few questions I had for Holly and I I wanted to ask her to share some of our wisdom. So my first is with my community. I love to share ways to make meditation more accessible. I'm always looking for any tools to do this. Um, I don't want people to feel like in order to become a student of meditation, they have to drop their lives, leave everything they know, become completely aesthetic. Um, I noticed that Holly likes to harness harness technology and biofeedback devices. So I'd like to ask her, how can technology and biofeedback devices help re rewire our brains for calm and happiness and to support our healing process?

Speaker 2: 3:48

That is such a great question and a wonderful launching off place. So thank you for that question. I will start by answering from my personal journey on how they helped me and because I think it's always easiest to hear from somebody's first person experience to kind of understand how it might help you, the listener. So in my journey, I was a scientist working for the Nature Conservancy and I had done that for 25 years. And I came to a place where, you know, without going into too much of the detail, but just to say I knew and was aware that I had this very busy mind. Like, like I just, the narrator in my head was very strong and wouldn't stop necessarily. And I was sort of tired of myself if that's, if you can say it that way. Like who is this voice in your head and why won't she just shut up, you know,<laugh>. And she felt bossy and she felt confused and she felt, you know, reactive to things that were happening. And so I really wanted to get out of my own head, if that makes sense. I wanted to learn to live more embodied, of course happier, freer. I wasn't super happy even though I felt like I checked all the boxes in life. Like I had children that were doing well in school. I had a good job, I had a loving husband and I, you know, I had a beautiful home so I checked all the boxes and yet when I took like, took inventory of my situation, it's like why am I not happier? And what I felt like was, it's me. It's in me. It's not out there. I can't, you know, I've done all the things I could possibly do and I'm so lucky to be able to say all those things cuz a lot of people have, you know, one or more major issues with things in their life. And, and I'm saying this because that turnaround inwards into looking at how our own experience of reality is actually contributing is actually what governs our happiness and our wellbeing. It feels like if I just change that thing out there, then I'll be better in here. And that illusion is actually what I really love working with people on because it's you in that place. You end up always chasing something out there in life to make better so that you can feel good in here. And this meditation, the meditation journey for me really is the journey to learn to feel good in here regardless of what's going on out there. So the outside world is going to continue with all of its trials and tribulations and difficulties and challenges. And meditation invites us to change our experience of our inner landscape. So I wanna start there. I know that's a really, like a big place to start, but it, it's important for me to set the stage of what meditation is and why it's so important. So we wanna change our inner experience and that's where I came to in my own journey was knowing that I wanted to change my inner experience. And I had tried meditation. So I had in part, during different parts of my life, I'd been reading lots of self health help books and books like Eckhart Tole and they'd helped me immensely. But the truth is, when I sat down to meditate, it felt difficult. It felt like I didn't have time for it. I was a busy scientist and I could never make it stick. Okay. And the first technology that I ran across, a couple things happened cause I'm a scientist, but, and, and so I did, let me just say I did a lot of reading and studying about brainwaves cuz I wanted to understand what is happening in my own brain and mind. Why is it so busy and how do I get it to quiet down? And I learned about brainwaves, I learned about this incredible doctor, Dr. Fairy, who wrote a book called The Open Focus Brain. And I started to learn that that busy mind is, those are beta brainwaves in our, in our head that are keeping the mind active and busy. And then I learned through Neuro Meditation Institute about different areas of the brain that are overactive, like the prefrontal cortex and the aang singulate cortex along the top of the brain. And when those are overactive and overheated, we experience a very stressed, busy brain. We don't have a lot of, um, calm, quiet, slower alpha and theta brain waves that are what facilitate a calm state of mind. Okay? So that was a first aha for me as a scientist was just seeing like, like dissecting the brain a little bit to understand what, why is it what's happening when my brain feels so busy and how can I change it? And so here's where now I'm gonna get back to the, during answering your question directly, which is here's where neurofeedback and and technology tools come in. And the first tool that I ran across that was so life-changing, changing for me was called the muse. And the muse is a meditation headband, and you put it on and it allows you to listen to your own brainwaves in real time. And so if you put it on and you start meditating and your brain is very busy in those beta brain waves, you get, you hear a lot of rain. So it's like literally you're hearing feedback in your ears that are telling you your brain is busy. And then as you quiet your mind through f through focusing on your breath, for example, and that's not the only technique, but that's a kind of a tried and true technique, and you actually are successful at that, then the rain that you hear, the feedback in your ears will, will quiet. And so for me, that simple technology was so profound because it was like, oh, I can hear what a quiet mind sounds like and I'm getting feedback. And so it's not such a black box. Like what's, for me, meditation felt like a black box because I didn't have a reference point to even know what a quiet mind would be like, how am I supposed to know? And this technology gave me the, the actual sound in my head so that I could like training wheels that like, here's how you learn to ride the bike. You know, it, this is, you focus on their breath and you hear your brain quieting and through the, through the quieting of the sound in my ears, and now I have some reference point that I can work from. And that for me was absolutely like one of the first of many life-changing ways that technology helped me.

Speaker 1: 11:50

So, um, previously you started a meditation practice and you said it didn't stick. Um, so mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So when it wouldn't stick, would it, would it be the sort of thing where you might meditate for a day and then come back several weeks later or not come back for a long time? Or do you recall what those days were like?

Speaker 2: 12:17

Sure, I do. I would sit down and say, okay, I'm gonna stare at this candle, you know, focus on practicing, on focusing on the candle for 10 minutes or 15 minutes. And I think what it, what what happens is that when you, when you start to quiet your mind, often actually more thoughts will come up because there's so much waiting to come up from the, of the energy in the body. And so even more thoughts would come up. And I had this sense of like, is this doing anything? Am I doing it right? What am I supposed to be doing? And that uncertainty for me made it difficult to stick with it.

Speaker 1: 13:07

So, um, you found that using this device, the muse, um, was helpful. Do, is that something that you recommend with your clients that might be struggling? Or is that a, um, something you're incorporating in your practice now?

Speaker 2: 13:24

Yes and yes. So I do recommend it for clients who want to start meditation and, um, who my dis you know, who listening to me describe this sounds like something that would work for them. It's not for everyone. There are some people where, you know, putting on a headband and hooking it to your phone and adjusting it is just too much, you know, so it's not for everyone, but for many people and especially younger people who are used to technology and aren't afraid of, you know, hooking their phones up and all that, then uh, it's, it's, you know, been very, very helpful for them. Um,

Speaker 1: 14:10

I'm actually, I'm curious, I'll describe curious myself now. I actually have, it has never occurred to me to actually incorporate any technology and I'm becoming increasingly curious as you described this, cuz I

Speaker 2: 14:22

Didn't, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, it's, I mean it's an amazing piece of technology. It really is like I'm, I gotta hand it to this company for coming up with something that really, you know, I mean for me now it's a little bit like training wheels. So like you asked if I use it, if I still use it, um, occasionally I do, but I used it for like years, you know, it was a little bit like training wheels, you know, you put the training wheels on, you learn to ride the bike and then eventually you can drop the training wheels and just ride the bike. So to me it's a little bit like that. Um, you don't necessarily need it forever, but by God, you know, if you don't know how to ride a bike, training wheels are pretty cool,<laugh>, you know, um, they save a lot of falling over deciding that, you know, riding a bike isn't for you<laugh> cause you're just too humiliated. So, um,<laugh> the other thing that, um, I learned to do with Muse, and this is a little bit more, this is gonna wade into the waters of a little geeky, but some people might appreciate this. So there's an out-of-the-box app that the Muse has that does what I just described with the rain. But there are other apps that are third party apps that connect to the muse and create, um, graphs that you can graph your meditation and look at it afterwards and see what your brainwaves did during the meditation. And my profession, in my profession as a scientist, I was a data analyst. And so I found this like extraordinarily fascinating. So for, I wrote an article, a blog article on this. If you, if people are interested in more detail, we can share the link to that. And I described, yeah, I described how I recorded a meditation each day. And then also because I'm a data analyst, I wrote a program in, in this software called R and and created a trend graph so that I could see how my brain waves changed over time using the muse. And what I found was that not only did it feel like through meditation, my brain was getting quieter and I was having more theta and alpha waves and fewer beta brain waves, but I actually have the data to prove that I did that. My brain literally quieted through meditation and I have over a year of data to show how I did that. So, um, yeah,<laugh>,

Speaker 1: 17:05

It's pretty, maybe we're geeking out. I now I'm very interested. I, I so cuz honestly I didn't even know that was possible. Um, I I'm thinking is this, so is this like an e e g that we use in medicine?

Speaker 2: 17:18

It's an eeg did not. Yeah, it's a,

Speaker 1: 17:20

It's a homes an eeg. Okay, well listeners, we all learn something new cuz I actually did not know what this was possible to do at home. And, um, I will share with the listeners where to find your, your, um, article so that we can read it. So yeah, we'll sh I'll share that in the show notes. Um,

Speaker 2: 17:38

Super. And I also have on my website you can get a link to the Muse, um, and people can get a discount going through my link, so, oh, I'll

Speaker 1: 17:47

Also share that. Oh, Holly, thank you so much. So listeners, I'll make sure to share Holly's link to make sure you get that discount if she's, if she's speaking your language and you know that meditation is for you, but you were needing that little ooph, this is maybe what you're needing. I love this. So we'll make sure to share your link calling. You had said yeah Holly, that this, um, mind matter, mind chatter inner critic, um, you described her pretty well. Um, with my own patients mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I'm o I'm often, um, hearing something similar and we often talk about their mind, their thoughts and how this links to their health. Um, cuz they seem like two different things. Definitely in the world of traditional medicine there's an attempt to make the mind different from the body, but often we're discussing like how some of their thinking is leading to some of their, their poor health. So I advise my patients that trying meditation can create a happy internal environment. And that's just what you were describing. So can you share with a little in a little bit more detail, just however you're comfortable, how is it that meditation can create that inner happiness? And if it's so easy and your scientist, why isn't everyone doing this

Speaker 3: 19:13

<laugh>?

Speaker 2: 19:14

Okay, great question. So how meditation can create inner happiness and if it's so easy, why isn't everyone doing it? Um, wow, okay, So first, right, we have this co this, you know, this from being a physician, this complex system actually it's an embodied whole system. So we're not just in our minds, you and I have been talking about our minds, but actually it's the whole body. And I think more and more from the work of Dr. POIs, we understand how the nervous system is actually, you know, regulating our body and our wellbeing. And so really, really what we wanna do is, you know, balance the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system so that the body is in coherence so that we can, um, flourish so that we can have overall health and wellbeing. And the brain in a sense is kind of the last piece of that, of, you know, listening to how the body is and then responding. So bef so I wanna address your question also by tying that in, cuz I don't wanna just keep it in the head. I think there's a risk in just thinking if we just meditate that, you know, we'll sort of solve all the problems, but really there's this heart brain connection that's so important. So I wanna bring that in. So the HeartMath people have been some of the people that have really been making these connections for people and you know, saying like, there's 60 times more signals that go from the heart to the brain than the brain to the heart, right? So actually really we wanna start by bringing ourselves into coherence in the body first and as one, one piece of the puzzle that's so important. So I just wanna say first, like, I'm also a breath work practitioner and I'm a heart math practitioner and really encourage people into breathing and some of the, um, you know, learning to work with the breath and slowing down the breathing to, to also bring the body into flourishing. And HeartMath has some great tools for that. And they, like, we've been talking about the muse, the e e g, but then there's also, you know, the heart, um, heart coherence tools that HeartMath has. Do

Speaker 1: 21:49

You have that one? No, no. Cuz again, and it's really funny as you're discussing<laugh> this, and I, and I work kind of in the heart sciences, I will dilly do it with thinking about getting it and then I never do. So I was thinking about getting one of the heart math devices and then I just kind of like, I don't know, I just thought, I think that's intimidating<laugh>, I'm a physician. I thought, well, that's too much. I mean, but the way you're describing this is much easier than the way I, than what I was thinking.

Speaker 2: 22:17

It's super easy. They're a little ear clip, you put it on, they have an app and it encourages you to breathe and you breathe in and out of the heart like five or six seconds in, it guides you, like the app guides you and it like the muse when you're in coherence, when you're in a coherent rhythm, then you get a green, you know, the app goes green and then as you fall out of coherence it goes into orange and red. So it teaches you how to use slow coherent breathing coupled with, um, happy emotions or, or positive emotions. Because when we bring in, let's say thinking about love for a pet or a child or something that actually brings coherence into our system. So it, and you just like the muse, you, you can actually see it and hear it. You get a little chime and you get a green. So you start to learn how to regulate your body's system through this beautiful, you know, biofeedback device that's not super expensive. And for me again, like what does wholeness and wellness feel like when in the breath? And, and that's not necessarily very obvious, but you can train yourself by working with this tool like 10 minutes each day to start to bring the body back into coherence. And you know, that's why breath work too is so many meditation practices use, um, breath work because of that. Okay, so, so<laugh> and after all that, just setting, setting the stage for, for meditation, um, I think one of the things that it's helpful is to know why you're meditating. I think you, you know, a little bit of reverse questioning, why does so many people not do it well, one is they're not clear on their why. They're not, they're a little foggy on it and what it's really gonna do for them. So one thing is you wanna be so clear with your intention about why you want to do it, and then you need to be confident and clear that the method you're using is gonna get you to the goal. And I think sometimes that feels murky. Like we don't really know if those things match up. Um, I think the Neuro Meditation Institute has done a really great job of that. They have a meditation style survey you can take and you can learn like, should I be working on a focused meditation or is more of like a loving kindness meditation or a mindfulness meditation? Good for me. So, um, and we can put the link for that. So getting clear on your why and knowing what you're doing it for, um, and then getting, getting support for that technique. So there are so many. So how do we get support for that? Well, there's so many good apps now out there and teachers that are there, but it can be confusing to know like, which one do I do and is this the right one? Um, the insight timer app is one that I really, really love and it's free. There are neuro meditation meditations on there, so that go directly from the survey that I said to, you know, do a breath focus neuro meditation, and they have guided meditations on that. I have, I'm a teacher on insight timer, so you can go to my meditations as well, um, uh, neuro meditations and I have all the different styles. I have one for each of those on, on my channel. Um, and I also wanna say that just this simple sense of knowing like, and having confidence that, that the brain can change. Like if you are stuck in a monkey mind, if you're stuck in a stress state to know that, you know, neuro the beauty of neuroplasticity in the neuroplastic brain now, right? Is that we know that we can change this. We're not like just, I hear people say like, well I just have a busy mind as though that's an unchangeable state, but it's not, you know, just cuz you've had it, even if you've had it most of your life, doesn't mean that that's, that that's the only state to live in. And so I just wanna stress that to know that the brain can change. Like we know that that's probably just because you're, you've, uh, the way I describe it, the metaphor I use is like you've been traveling down one highway. And so those, those, um, neuro pathways in the brain, those are the ones that are solidified. And so if you wanna jump the track and go onto a dirt road, it's gonna take a little work right? To, to jump into that dirt road and for that dirt road to become established and become the new norm in your brain, you have to keep traveling it. So you have to retrain and rewire your brain into this other way of being, to being more like, to use less fermi's te terminology to be more open, for example, and not so rigidly focused and hyper-focused. And meditation can train you to, to be more open and have an open awareness, but you need to train in that every single day and understand what you're doing and why you're doing it. And as long as you have confidence in your what you're doing and you know why you're doing it, it it's actually remarkable. Like the science and the papers that have been done, say within eight weeks, you can change your brain. You know, that's the work of Sarah Lazar at Harvard who did a mindfulness study with participants and within eight weeks they had started to see like real changes in the brain and brain structure, positive changes from meditation. So it doesn't take long, but you just need to know that you're, you're doing the, you're making those positive changes and the right changes for you.

Speaker 1: 28:41

Nice. So I like, I've actually really like that metaphor of, uh, you're traveling a new road, so maybe the road you've been on is paved and it might even be a highway. Oh, where is it taking you? No<laugh> where Exactly.

Speaker 2: 29:00

Completely. And if you're one of those people who jumps around all the time from app to app and you know, Instagram feed posts, you're, you're wiring in kind of a hyper arousal state, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, so that's the one that's wired in the brain. So that's, you know, that's what your brain is gonna be like. But if you practice opening up your awareness, and I would even invite, like if I may just with the listeners right now just, and you, if I just, so let's, fair me. One of the ways that he discovered to help people get into alpha is so first to just notice the ordinary way of being, which kind of feels like there's this sharp focus behind the eyes, right? That kind of sense of me that sits behind the eyes and what happens if you just imagine the space between your ears and then what happens if you imagine the space between your shoulders. And then I invite you to bring that out to feeling the space in the room and then feel that you're aware from the space in the room. And as you feel with this awareness from the space in the room, just gently notice What's happened to that constellation of thinking awareness behind the eyes, that sense of me. Just see if it feels like maybe you have more space in your own being and then we'll do one more. Drop that awareness so that you feel you're aware from your heart space. So center that sense of awareness down in your heart. So like you're feeling your heart from within your heart. And then I invite you, I'm gonna ask you to open your eyes in a minute, but before you do, when you do, I want you to imagine that you're looking out the world from the eyes of your heart. So open your eyes gently, but keep your awareness centered in your heart space.

Speaker 4: 32:08

Hmm.

Speaker 2: 32:09

And just notice, notice how that might be different from how you were looking out before. What do you notice?

Speaker 1: 32:24

No, that was such a gift. I could immediately feel my own heart rate slow down. Um, you know, whenever you, from my perspective, it's time to have on a gift and I want to make sure everything works. I had shared with Holly listeners that I was having some technical difficulties, um,<laugh> and um, so I was, I was still carrying that. And as soon as you brought us into our heart space, I felt it like ohs, it's okay.

Speaker 4: 32:54

<laugh>,

Speaker 2: 32:56

Right? Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, because, so that just shows that's that as you described in the, in the biograph in the bio you read of me earlier that this ordinary mind that we take to for granted to be kind of the way we are, is that we can actually immediately shift out of that into a new way of being like I just did with you. That we're not actually stuck as it were from this one view, which feels like this solidified view of me that most of us have, but that we can actually experience the world from a different perspective. Like just shifting awareness out to being aware of the space in the room. Actually, I mean, on a neuroscience from the geeky neuroscience, we're, we're shifting our brain waves in that moment. We're slowing them down, we're bringing in alpha, we're allowing this, but our experience of the world is more calm, right? Feels like there's more space here, actually gives us more space to deal with whatever's arising. So if something were to immediately happen, right? A child were to come into the room and need your help, like you can actually have more space to deal with that issue cuz you're not so razor focused. I like, I what I, one of the metaphors I use here is like, it's as though when we're like, we're razor focused, we're in that beta brainwave states, like we're hunting for the, you know, the tiger might get us in the jungle. Like we're kind of stuck in that like, oh, hyper alert. Oh my god, where's the tiger kind of mode of being and this is like dropping into like the ancient warrior who's kind of walking mindfully through the jungle. Like just very aware of everything that's happening with much more space to respond to whatever's happening, you know? Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:12

Holly, thank you so much for me from the listeners. That was a beautiful moment. Um, and I totally didn't anticipate that was coming. Um, you just brought us a little bit of healing and you just kind of just did it. That's, that is so nice. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 35:31

Sure.

Speaker 1: 35:33

So Holly, do you mind sharing with the listeners, um, where to find you how to stay connected? Um, how, if they're wanting to go further with everything that you've advised and offered, um, how can the listeners find you?

Speaker 2: 35:53

Yeah, thank you. So I, my website is heart find alchemy.com and you will find links there to number of things I mentioned here. You'll find in the resources, you'll find links where you can find some of the technology I mentioned and discounts to that. You will find links to my insight timer meditations there, my blog articles there and then ways to work with me. So I work one-on-one with people. So if you're interested in one-on-one coaching using the Muse and getting meditation support. And I also do sound healing work and I'm a breathwork practitioner and so I actually created a program called Awaken Heal Breathe, that's like my signature program that I work with people on and bring all of these tools. I combine them all into one package to really help people elevate their whole lives and flourish. That's my kind of thing that I really, really am passionate about and love working with people on. And I'm also start to starting to do some online workshops and courses. And so there's links to some of those, to those as well there, uh, on my website. And you can also just book a 30 minute discovery call for free with me and I can talk to you about what the options are.

Speaker 1: 37:19

So, oh, that is fantastic. So Art of Healing listeners, um, I hope that as we close out this episode, as Holly mentioned, that you're expanded more aware, um, I have a feeling that we are all making a lot more alpha ways right now, thanks to Holly. So, um, on behalf of my listeners, Holly, I want to personally thank you for being a guest. I want to personally thank you for taking us into that many meditation awareness. Thank you. Um, thank you so much for being a guest and that maybe I could have you back sometime in the future.

Speaker 2: 38:01

Oh, thank you so much. I'd love to come back. I absolutely just, yeah, would love that. And just appreciate you so much and your audience. So thank you all for having me here.

Speaker 1: 38:10

Listeners, if you check your show notes, all of the important information, how to reach Holly, how to book a call with her, it'll be there in the show notes. Also, listeners, it's a little bit easier if you wanna shine up for my weekly newsletter, you'll get an easy link to download this episode. You might wanna keep this, listen to it later and do that beautiful practice we did later as well as for Holly's information listeners, thank you so much for joining us and until next week, bye-bye.

Speaker 2: 38:40

Bye-bye.