064: Microgreens Edition

In this episode Joe and Nick talk about nutrient dense farming, growing microgreens in space and an update on the indoor ag con.

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Transcript

Polygreens Podcast Episode 64

[00:00:00] Joe Swartz: Hey everyone. Welcome to another episode of the poly greens podcast. I'm Joe Swartz from am hydro along with Nick greens and the Nick greens grow team. And I've had a busy couple of weeks, Nick, indoor ag con just wrapped up in Las Vegas. We had a good time there. Um, a lot of interesting people, a lot of great conversation.
[00:00:18] Yeah. 
[00:00:18] Nick Greens: One of my favorite times was, uh, I think you can, uh, uh, contest this. I don't want to speak for you, but spending time with, uh, Stephen Ritz, that guy. I mean, uh, you know, I think I'm taking words out of your mouth, but I mean, he can, he can frequently hang out with anybody he wants right now. And he chose to hang out with us, us two knuckleheads, you know, 
[00:00:40] Joe Swartz: Yeah.
[00:00:41] Yeah. I mean, um, if you, if you were there at the event, you know what we're talking about? If, if you weren't there, you missed a really fine, fine world-class event. Uh, best, best, uh, event I've attended in a very, very long time. Um, kudos to Suzanne Pruitt. [00:01:00] Um, Kyle Barnett, Jim Panilego, uh, Nancy Halberg, um, Brian Sullivan, uh, you guys put on an amazing event.
[00:01:08] Um, the. The level I've been, I've attended, I think nine or actually eight, eight events. Uh, and I'm by far the best, uh, the focus on. Growing a lot of people enjoy the keynotes. They like the inspiration, but I mean, just to have the conversations, people are always asking questions and talking about, you know, wanting to know more about growing and wanting to know more about the nuts and bolts of the various technologies want to know the realities of a controlled environment, ag business.
[00:01:45] There were so many different topics and, you know, Stephen, Stephen Ritz was, uh, he's just an amazing educator. Um, uh, I'm sure everyone listening knows exactly who he is, but if you haven't checked him out, uh, one of the, one of the greatest educators I have ever [00:02:00] seen, um, and just as amazing thing with controlled environment agriculture, to instill that love of science and that love of learning.
[00:02:10] That curiosity, that that's in all of our, uh, in our youth and, um, just as amazing stuff. And he was a lot of fun to hang out with them. Um, and you 
[00:02:19] Nick Greens: know, he's not afraid to speak his mind, Joe, and, and I, you know, it, it could be a loaded cannon, but it also can be a breath of fresh air for people, you know, like he, you know, I've, I was on a panel with him and I'm not going to mention names here or anything like that, Joe, but.
[00:02:35] You know, there was a little, little pushback between two panelists and I've never, ever, ever in my life have ever been on a panel where the panel is kind of had a little pushback at each other, which was not a bad thing. Joey, it's about discussion, right? It's about, it's about creating those round tables like we've been doing and having those discussions.
[00:02:56] Joe Swartz: Oh, absolutely. I've done. I mean, and yeah, you're right. I mean, [00:03:00] sometimes the good discussions can be contentious. Uh, one of the reasons we put together this podcast over a year and a half ago already was to have those open and honest discussions and Paul rattling or in Chris Higgins, the conversations we had there, I mean, they really hit it on the nail on the head when they 
[00:03:17] Nick Greens: said, look, Kelly, and the doctor greenhouse that.
[00:03:19] Oh yeah. Another 
[00:03:20] Joe Swartz: one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, You know, everyone's speaking their mind and not being afraid to be challenged, not being afraid to, to have that. Tell me a little bit about your panel for anybody that wasn't there. I mean, your panel was amazing. 
[00:03:34] Nick Greens: Yeah, it was, it was a very amazing panel. You know, it's a bunch of, uh, organizations that are really, uh, developing all about education programs, uh, specifically targeting, uh, the next generational farmers.
[00:03:47] Um, and you know, and everybody's, model's different, Joe, not everybody's. Going to have a model where it's a win-win for everyone. You know, I mean, every model business model that's built is completely has their different focuses and [00:04:00] their end results. Right. So, you know, I, but it was great. I had a great time and, and, and chill, you know, hanging out with you.
[00:04:08] And Steven was probably the highlight of her. 
[00:04:12] Joe Swartz: Yeah. Yeah. The network that networking that went on there was just amazing. We had so many people, gosh. I mean, if we go down the list, um, but I'll mention a few of the, the, the breakout sessions, the, this year's event, of course featured, uh, a greater array of speakers, um, speaking to all the different topics and CA and I think that's what really made this event.
[00:04:34] Awesome. Suzanne and Kyle and the crew. They, they, uh, they listened. Uh, to feedback from previous conferences and they made those improvements. People had told them. Countless times they really enjoyed, you know, the, the, the keynote speakers and being inspired by some of these big farming companies. And, but then I had a couple 
[00:04:56] Nick Greens: of the reps, you know, come up to me.
[00:04:58] And these are reps that have been, [00:05:00] you know, with some of these, uh, companies for years. So they've been doing all of these, the, these conferences, and they said the energy this year at the end, our ag con was just something that. They have never seen the energy. It was just the energy between everybody and how everybody was just so excited.
[00:05:19] Yeah. 
[00:05:19] Joe Swartz: We had a lot of, a lot of conversations, whether it was on stage or whether it was just on the floor. Um, everyone had something to bring to the table. Everyone had a lot of questions. Uh, one of my favorite panels, um, featured, uh, Dan OVI. Uh, from Florida and he's been on before Dan isn't a great friend and an amazing guy.
[00:05:40] Um, he and John Purcell, they, they had a really great conversation on genetics and the importance of genetic work and CA which is really in its infancy and even developing 
[00:05:52] Nick Greens: genetics that are actually growing low, low lighting, right? Like. How can we get that same size of head it head of [00:06:00] lettuce behind you, Joe, under lower light, right?
[00:06:03] Is that also a focus in the genetic world? Oh yeah. Yeah. I 
[00:06:07] Joe Swartz: mean, the CEA has certain advantages, uh, versus more conventional field ag and has certain challenges and you know, all of the work that we've seen. In genetics, as it relates to controlled environment, ag is, is all about, you know, producing higher nutrient density, uh, plants that are producing under different conditions, obviously in CA situations, whether you're talking about a greenhouse, uh, supplemental light or an indoor grow space, or what have you.
[00:06:34] Um, there's a lot that can be, that can be done, uh, with, with genetic development. And, and these guys are really at the forefront of it and it was awesome to spend some time with them and it was awesome to listen to them talk and having the discussion. Um, you know, really the level of discussion on and off the floor was, was just top notch in our panel.
[00:06:57] I was with, uh, Earl Chipman of, uh, [00:07:00] hyphen north America and Karla Garcia from ward American. And we talked about fertilizer and nutrient management and what we decided to do right off the bat, rather than give a presentation and kind of give talking points and then having a little Q and a at the end, we open the floor immediately.
[00:07:16] So we, we addressed, I opened with a couple of questions to the panelists, and then we basically said, what are people interested in? What are you looking at? You know, go ahead. And, and people just started right off. The bat questions just started and every question. You know, kinda morphed into another discussion.
[00:07:34] Nick Greens: Yeah. I heard to say those questions, create discussions and rabbit holes that we normally wouldn't went on. If, if that, uh, uh, button wasn't pressed, you know? 
[00:07:43] Joe Swartz: Absolutely. And it's funny too, because you know, people are always hesitant to ask questions. They don't want to look stupid or they don't want, you know, they, they think that, well, it's just my question and no one else really cares about it, but I guarantee every single time someone asked the question.
[00:07:57] Everyone else kind of smiled and nodded, some people were writing [00:08:00] notes. If you have a question, there are a lot of other people who have the same question. And, and so, yeah, the, you know, the first question, uh, each panel has to answered it. I, I threw in some, some feedback and. Led to another question and it led to discussion and we basically for 50 minutes had a really lively, interactive and informative discussion just about fertilizers and nutrient management, which again is one of those things that, you know, you don't normally see a lot of that talked about other conferences, but it was something.
[00:08:35] The people who are growing, want to know about, they want to share ideas, they want to get more information. And we had a lot of, a lot of great conversation. I know, I know other panels were doing the same thing. It was just a non-stop conversation. I was a little sad that I, uh, I was on a panel on the second day.
[00:08:55] At Glen, Beerman a good friend who hung out with us also at the indoor I got, he [00:09:00] was speaking at the same time. I wonder, was that all recorded? Everything recorded. Yeah, I think it was. And, and we, um, 
[00:09:07] Nick Greens: we got to hit up Suzanne 
[00:09:08] Joe Swartz: about that. Yeah. And I know that he got really great, uh, you know, his panel, uh, on container farming.
[00:09:14] I know they got a lot of great input as well, so I mean really covered those. The gamut from, from economics to environmental control systems to genetics. That's another man 
[00:09:25] Nick Greens: that speaks his mind by the way, he does not have a filter. If you don't know how to take criticism, don't ask Glenn a question. Just don't 
[00:09:36] Joe Swartz: I think, well, I, and we've got to get Glenn back on the, on the program.
[00:09:40] Nick Greens: Maybe we do a container farm one. How about we, we, we do a whole container farm. Is it. Is it really profitable? Let's do a whole break the numbers down to us, Glenn, you know? Yeah. 
[00:09:50] Joe Swartz: Yeah. So the conversations are free form open. We encourage that. I think that at this point now, I think it was Chris Higgins that had said it, [00:10:00] even that the only way we're going to get this industry moving forward as rapidly as possible is to have those open and honest discussions.
[00:10:08] And, you know, instead of playing your cards close to your vest, really getting it out there, getting your questions out there, getting. Information out there sharing information. Um, you know, it was just, I had someone approached me after the, um, uh, the fertilizer nutrient management segment and thanked me for, uh, I had given some advice, um, about foliar feeding and not spraying magnesium sulfate on your lettuce because magnesium sulfate is a strong laxative and we don't want to spraying laxatives onto our crops.
[00:10:39] Um, and she said that she had never thought of that. And, you know, I said, well, those are big mistakes that other people, including myself have made. Well, you know, we don't want, uh, unless 
[00:10:50] Nick Greens: in less, maybe, you know, if you're selling to a lot of, uh, you know, retirement homes, then maybe they do want that in their lettuce.
[00:10:59] That's another [00:11:00] story, Joe. 
[00:11:00] Joe Swartz: Yeah, that's a, that's a panel. I don't know if we're going to have it into our icon next time, but maybe it is. And that's one of the thing though. Seriously, for everyone listening, that's something that. Suzanne and Kylin and everyone at indoor icon takes really seriously is that input.
[00:11:16] So please feel free. Go on their website, indoor.ag, uh, talk to them there. They're obviously very accessible. Let them know what you want to hear because to make an even better event than this year. Is to, to take a lot of input from the public. So what they want to know and what I want to know, and what you want to know is, is, you know, what are people most interested in and, and addressing and having those big, important conversations, because at the end of the 
[00:11:41] Nick Greens: day to do a microgreen panel, um, just about nutrient dense growing.
[00:11:48] I really think, uh, you know, the demand is there, you know, they're getting popular. It's not the save of microgreens are not going to save. I mean, they're not going to [00:12:00] end hunger. Okay. That's not what I'm preaching here. I just think, uh, like, um, NASA talks about, it's just an additive, you know, they're an additive to the foods, you know, 
[00:12:11] Joe Swartz: Well, they're extremely nutrient dense.
[00:12:13] So on one end of the spectrum, they're a great addition to, um, you know, our culinary options. You know, you want to be able to have a nice meal with something like that added to it, but then when you go to the other side, They could be almost looked at as kind of a vitamin or a supplement where there's very specific nutrients that you're looking to produce in very short order.
[00:12:36] And as a matter of fact, you got some information, uh, recently about, uh, so microgreen research 
[00:12:42] Nick Greens: and, you know, NASA I've been helping NASA, you know, during the whole COVID, um, And, um, I got to help, you know, do, I don't know, we probably had about a good 13, uh, meetings, uh, about microgreens and one of those meetings, I got to go to, uh, the Kennedy space center, uh, to speak to all the [00:13:00] scientists, the plant scientists, um, you know, just everything that from the industry that I know and how to really do this properly, I gave them whether they used it or not.
[00:13:09] Uh, you know, that was on that. Uh, and then they came up with all this research. It's this whole open source research Joe on, um, on growing microgreens and, and space. Uh, so I think they already harvest in space, uh, you know, shout outs to my friend, Christina, over at, uh, um, uh, NASA, you know, she's been my connection over there and she's, she sent me this whole thing and I mean, there's just pages and pages and pages of research that's been done.
[00:13:40] And the whole mission is to figure out how those nutrients, how can they provide those added nutrients to the astronauts diet, uh, to provide, um, you know, to keep them healthy? Cause they already know what they're lacking. You know, I mean, they've been doing SpaceOAR for 50 years or. Yeah. A long time. So they know what the astronauts are [00:14:00] lacking in space.
[00:14:00] I'm pretty sure they got all that data, but now they want to figure out how they can add, you know, microgreens and other things. I think that our diet to help them, I don't think it's just microgreens. I think they're focused on other food sources. 
[00:14:13] Joe Swartz: But the microgreens obviously are very fast turnover. Um, very nutrient dense.
[00:14:18] There are certain, certain crops, whether we're talking about brassicas or, uh, different mustards, they have different nutrient composition as well. 
[00:14:27] Nick Greens: So, yeah, and think about it. Okay. Let's go to the nutrient side, Joe, like, how do we hold the water into the plug? Right. So if we have a plug here on land, right.
[00:14:37] We can get a, uh, some sort of medium that, that holds a certain retention of water. Right. We tend to have a certain amount of water to air ratio. Right. But when you're in space, Gravity is not pushing on that cube. No more. Joseph, how is the water going to stay in there? Why they're growing? 
[00:14:58] Joe Swartz: Yeah, I mean that, that [00:15:00] research, I know we talked with Gary Stewart about that.
[00:15:02] Gary was by the way was another, um, great, uh, visit, had some, spent some time at indoor icon with Gary. Um, got to meet his brother there as well. Gary will be back. Yeah. So it will be, we'll be doing a more ask the experts, segments, and Gary will definitely be on there to bring his expertise. One of the criticisms I get sometimes, especially from kind of the conventional ag world, is that controlled environment ag, well, we can't all grow leafy greens and it's not going to save the world.
[00:15:30] No CEA is a part of the puzzle. It's a way to further our crop production and, and to do so with less resources. And it. More land for production of other crops. So it's not, it's not a be all end all, and it's not a replacement, but it's certainly a, uh, a important piece to developing our food systems to a much higher level.
[00:15:53] And I think that the micro grains are the same thing, because I hear that a lot too, that criticism, well, you know, you can't eat, you [00:16:00] know, just microgreens or how do you, you know, micro greens are a part of the. And 
[00:16:05] Nick Greens: they also go potatoes already. Ray, Ray Wheeler has been doing, I mean, he's been around for 30 something years and NASA.
[00:16:14] Joe Swartz: Yeah. Yeah. And so, so the, the, the, microgreens just in the CA context, obviously, um, Are are just a piece of that puzzle from a nutrition standpoint, again, just a piece of the puzzle. And now we take it to the application of space. So, so we have the, both the nutritional end of it. You know what we're what the end product moving forward.
[00:16:35] The research on innovative ways to grow in, in zero gravity, for example, or in the other conditions related to space. So now what it's doing again, it's not, we're all not going to be growing our food in space now, but it is again, it's a piece of that puzzle. To help us better understand 
[00:16:52] Nick Greens: maybe it, maybe it develops certain equipment out of it.
[00:16:54] Joel, like certain harvesting devices, certain absolutely, you know, tools to do [00:17:00] other things that they develop because they need to in space, but then it may help us here on earth too, as well. Like a lot of things, right. The internet, um, you know, a lot of things that you, you know, our technology that talks back and forth, a lot of that was developed for space.
[00:17:15] Right. It's but we can talk to them. The command center and why they were often space. 
[00:17:20] Joe Swartz: Yeah. Yeah. I mean so many amazing technologists technologies all across the board, not even specifically in CA, but just that have moved to the world, usually started out as something different or, um, you know, research into something different or technological advances.
[00:17:36] So, yeah, I mean, this is just kind of. Again, I feel like we're really still on the cusp and the, just the, the, the, the early stages tip of the iceberg, um, understanding of our crop production. But now when we have to look at zero gravity, we have to look at all the different conditions of space. Not only will that help, will that work, that all these great people are doing, help us to do that, [00:18:00] but it also will just push the industry forward in so many other ways in ways that we don't even really understand yet.
[00:18:05] I think 
[00:18:05] Nick Greens: one way would be looking at ma looking at food as medicine. You know, so many people has been preaching right before me. Right. Everybody's preached food as medicine. So this is just one factor at the same microgreens can be some of a medicine, uh, health medicine for people that are lacking certain nutrients, uh, um, maybe because, uh, some genetic, uh, mutation or something within them that they're they're, you know, they need some more broccoli at eight to no more eat more something.
[00:18:36] So they can have concentrates of that, uh, with the micro. 
[00:18:39] Joe Swartz: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of these grains are very concentrated in certain phytochemicals and different plants have different composition and then take it one step further. And now using CA we can alter the light. Or alter the temperature or alter the nutrition or some combination of those things, [00:19:00] maybe 
[00:19:00] Nick Greens: the turf, right?
[00:19:01] The turpines in there. I don't think a lot of the scientists are even thinking about the turpines being some sort of a healing properties. 
[00:19:09] Joe Swartz: Absolutely. Yeah. So the, the plants themselves have certain properties, but then finding ways to manipulate the plants, the using, you know, environmental or nutritional, uh, manipulation to then, you know, so, so again, we're really.
[00:19:22] Just scratching the surface at what we could do, but, but this kind of research is yes. 
[00:19:27] Nick Greens: Yeah. And it's open source. So I mean, uh, the name of the project is called, uh, Ari. So it's a R I know it's N a I R I 
[00:19:37] Joe Swartz: airy. And so you were kind of looking through it. I don't know. You just got it, but what are some of the things that you're seeing out of it, it really kind of catch her to.
[00:19:46] Nick Greens: I mean, I just like, you know, how much they're really, really into the nutrients inside the plant? Um, not just the nutrients on what we're feeding the plant, Joe, right. And saying, Hey, we're feeding good stuff to the plant. [00:20:00] That means it is a healthy. Which is what traditional farming is about, right? Like we based traditional farming quality on the way it looks and how it was grown.
[00:20:11] We never really based it on how much really nutrients is in that leaf or in that vegetable. And I think that's, what's been grasping me. And what NASA is doing is it's taken us down that route of being able to figure out ways. We're in real time on what's inside the, uh, the leaf structure. 
[00:20:31] Joe Swartz: Yeah. Can you give everybody that website again?
[00:20:33] So I'm sure people would like to go and check this 
[00:20:34] Nick Greens: Astro botany.com 
[00:20:37] Joe Swartz: Astro, but. Dot com. Yeah. So everyone go check it out. Nick just told me about it this morning. I know you've been looking at it. Um, lot, a lot of information I'm sure. And again, it's just one of those things, you know, most of the people listening to this are plant geeks to a certain, 
[00:20:56] Nick Greens: remember they do have a different mission, right?
[00:20:58] So. [00:21:00] Maybe you can learn some of the stuff that they're doing for space, uh, to use in your home. But if you follow step-by-step of what they're doing in space, it might now work in your home because they're dealing with different, uh, um, climate controls, right? The different, uh, parameters in space. 
[00:21:18] Joe Swartz: But certainly there's a lot to learn there and a lot to understand.
[00:21:22] Nick Greens: Correct? Correct. And it's fun. I mean, come on, like who, and it's open source. Why wouldn't you want to not give to open source? You know, I, I, I love where everything that NASA does with plants, it's all open source, right? Even their chili challenge, you know, they're growing chilies in space. Uh, Jacob Taurus and NASA is in charge of that one and he's doing a great job.
[00:21:41] He's from New Mexico and he's, you know, chili peppers, of course, being from New Mexico is probably up his alley, you know? Yeah, 
[00:21:48] Joe Swartz: for sure. Yeah. So now, are you still working regularly with them? Um, not 
[00:21:54] Nick Greens: really. We're talking about some projects that we got in the works right now. I don't wanna really, you know, let these projects out, [00:22:00] but they're really some huge projects and seeing on how they could, uh, do appearances.
[00:22:05] Um, but I probably will start teaching a class on, on growing microgreens in space. Uh it's just so the kids can have an under a different understanding on what it's like. 
[00:22:16] Joe Swartz: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's cool. Well, there's a lot of, um, you know, a lot of opportunities for, for more education. I mean, we talked about a lot of the great work Steven is doing kind of in the public school systems and getting people on we've had people on, um, who have educated, will run.
[00:22:32] Hydroponic stores and provided that information. And then, you know, we we're, we're at events like indoor icon where not only are, you know, experts in the field and people with experience in the industry, you know, giving presentations and talking about their work. But the level of discussions, uh, you know, is, is really a valuable thing.
[00:22:53] We've had a couple, um, uh, some people have, may have not heard some of them we've started. Um, some of our podcasts, we've [00:23:00] been doing an ask the experts segment. Um, obviously we had, um, Paul from, uh, crop king and Chris from hoard America's on for the first one and really we shared some great information.
[00:23:11] And, uh, now we've got Dr. Greenhouse, Nadia, Saba and Kelly Nicholson. And I got, I've got to say spending some time with not. And her team, Dr. Greenhouse team that was at the end or icon. That was a great time. You had a night 
[00:23:26] Nick Greens: to remember there, 
[00:23:27] Joe Swartz: there were the whole, I mean, th these, she brought the whole team and, you know, we had a lot of really fun and animated discussions about the industry.
[00:23:37] Uh, people, uh, people we think are doing great things for the industry. Maybe people who are not doing such great things for the industry, Um, a lot of the ins and outs. Um, but, but what an amazing team, uh, and, you know, Nadia has such expertise. I really enjoyed spending some time. She's doing a, another short course in Sacramento, um, coming up in a few [00:24:00] months on her podcast as well.
[00:24:02] Yeah. She's got a great podcast. Uh, I'm going to try to attend her short course because I mean, there's just so much great information that she brings to the table. So that was, uh, that was, uh, another great surprise, uh, down there. Just, you know, sharing information with people at such high level who have so much expertise, especially, you know, in very specific areas, you know, environmental control.
[00:24:23] I mean, that's one of the most, you know, um, under, under appreciated company. And 
[00:24:28] Nick Greens: I think what people don't understand that it crosses over on other industries. I mean, you got people that are growing crickets and greenhouses now. Yeah. There's cricket farms that are just set up like a whole lettuce farm right behind you.
[00:24:42] But there's no lettuce in there maybe just to feed the 
[00:24:45] Joe Swartz: crickets. Yeah. But only if you're specifically raising crickets, I don't want to see any other bugs in a greenhouse while we're growing crops. Otherwise you're going to have, we're going to have to have that IPM discussion again. And if you have.
[00:24:56] Nick Greens: Thousands and hundreds of thousands of crickets, there is no other bugs that are [00:25:00] not compete that 
[00:25:02] Joe Swartz: everything, Joe. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, so obviously there's a lot of, uh, events coming up. Um, we've got some more great guests. Um, we just did a podcast last week with, uh, Damian Solomon. And I'm mark Doherty cannabis, you know, industry experts.
[00:25:21] They've got a ton of 
[00:25:23] Nick Greens: let's, let's make sure that people understand the terms here. Uh, when we speak cannabis, a lot of times it does cross over the hemp. They are the same plant. Uh, the difference between it is that the hemp plant contains hardly nothing of THC, which is the active ingredient. 
[00:25:42] Joe Swartz: Yeah. So, I mean, again, one segment of the industry, but a tremendous wealth of knowledge.
[00:25:49] These guys are, are amazing. They know so much, they've got so much experience. And so there's a lot. So moving forward, we're going to have more of these segments. And, um, we're going to be talking [00:26:00] about specifics, such as lighting, such as alternative energy. Uh, we have specific crops, specialty crops. We're going to talk a little bit more about specifics to running a controlled environment, ag business.
[00:26:13] So we talked about economics and what we'll be doing is, is bringing on, um, usually two or three experts to have an open conversation. Well, we're going to ask you to do is encourage you is reach out to us on social media, send us emails, send questions. We love getting topics. I get it. I get emails all the time from people.
[00:26:35] Um, especially when they know ahead of time that we're having some special guests on and they will ask, um, you know, specific questions and just like our Q and a sessions. That's where the good conversations come from. So, you know, we can bring on some great people and we can have some interesting conversations.
[00:26:52] If we're not addressing some of your specific questions, we're missing some of the, some of the boat there. So if you 
[00:26:58] Nick Greens: feel like you're a candidate [00:27:00] to be a guest, please, uh, you know, that 
[00:27:03] Joe Swartz: would be the best thing going. Yeah. Um, if, if you have, uh, you know, I haven't gotten fortunately, any negative feedback.
[00:27:13] Um, if someone comes to us and says, you know, you talked about such and such, and I disagree with that, come on the podcast, then let's have the conversation. I don't want to have a conversation that's one sided or that has, you know, just a specific agenda for, for something, but rather to have those conversations.
[00:27:31] So. So if you're going to, um, you know, disagree with something or think that, you know, some part of the conversation is not, uh, applicable or what let's, let's talk about that and dig that out. So, yeah, Dick's right. If you, if you'd like to have a conversation, get in touch with us, come on. The show. We'll have, uh, we'll have some, some lively and spirited discussion.
[00:27:53] I think a good round 
[00:27:54] Nick Greens: table would be a. An expert cannabis grower with an expert, uh, [00:28:00] food 
[00:28:00] Joe Swartz: Gerler. Mm, very interesting. Yeah, we could talk about the different, different technologies, the different approaches. 
[00:28:07] Nick Greens: I think there's some, there's some big cross pollinations that are not happening. Yeah. 
[00:28:13] Joe Swartz: Oh, for sure.
[00:28:14] Yeah. Cause every, everyone has gone into their little corner, you know, we're all so tribal and uh, and so we need to kind of step out of that a little bit, dude. Exactly. Yeah. So, so we want to talk about things that you want to talk about. So please feel free to get in touch with us and, uh, and reach back out.
[00:28:32] We've got, as I said, the next podcast, um, that you'll probably be hearing will be Damien and mark and. We've got lots of great guests coming down the road again as well. So, um, in the meantime, we, we appreciate you spending some time with us and look forward to more great conversations coming up in the future.
[00:28:50] So thanks very much and have a great day, everyone.