177. Biblical Dialogue of Dinah, Part 2

As we unravel the layers of Genesis 34, Sister Adne Godin joins me to honor both the personal and the scriptural narratives that shape our spiritual and relational journeys. We start by sharing heartfelt moments, like Sister Godin remembering her late brother, which lead us into a poignant exploration of the distressing events surrounding Dinah and Shechem. This episode isn't just a biblical recount; it's a reflection on the resonance these ancient stories have with today's conversations about the sanctity of courtship, the power dynamics in relationships, and the divine guidance in finding a partner.

The depths of domestic violence and sexual abuse are complex and painful, and it's here that we, with great care, sift through the emotional and spiritual aftermath. Drawing parallels between Genesis 2:24 and modern understandings of consent and emotional bonds, we offer a candid discussion on the long-term effects of such traumas. Through a lens of faith, we confront the significance of these experiences and emphasize the importance of acknowledging and healing from the wounds that violate the soul.

Our journey through this episode culminates with a call to action against the exploitation and abuse within relationships, spotlighting the critical role parents play in safeguarding their children. We extend a lifeline, sharing resources and support for those in need, and leave you with a solemn reminder of the redemptive power of Jesus Christ. As we close, we invite you to immerse yourself further in our discussions, reminding you that amidst the gravest of topics, there is always a beacon of hope and unwavering love waiting to be embraced.

A Call to Salvation

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

He wanted to satisfy himself without the benefit of. So just because I said I'm not even talking about marriage, I'm saying the benefit of getting to know her, the benefit of spending time. See the thing is so. One thing about marriage right A true man of God, he that finds the wise, finds the good thing and attains favor from the Lord. When you find a good thing, you obtain favor from the Lord. Favor deceitful beauty is faithful, a Godfrey woman. She shall be praised. When a Godfrey man meets a Godfrey woman, his initial, his, although, yeah, he may look at her beauty. But what attracts a Godfrey man? That I'm gonna keep on saying that. I'm gonna keep on reiterating that what attracts a Godfrey man is the spirit of his potential wife.

Speaker 1: 0:56

Welcome to the Call by God podcast. With Adne Godin and myself, nixon Sylvain. This show is about dialogues of biblical characters and testimonies of Christians who submitted to the will of God. Each week we bring on one guest so that they can share their story of how they were called by God. I hope this show inspires you. Enjoy Hello and welcome world to the Call by God podcast. I'm yours truly, brother, nick, and I'm here with sister Adne Godin. Sister Godin, how are you doing on this blessed day?

Speaker 2: 1:29

I am doing okay, brother Nick, just a little heavy hearted. Today is three years since we lost my older brother, gilbert. So just taking it one step at a time, one day at a time, and just allowing the Holy Spirit to comfort me at this time. And but the most important thing is, the assignment of the Lord must continue no matter how we feel, no matter what we're going through, his assignment never takes a bat burner to our emotions. How are you doing?

Speaker 1: 2:02

I would say this the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. This overnight job, Adne, you know it's not easy working overnight. I got up early this morning, I would say somewhere between 1.30 and 2.30 o'clock this morning, and I haven't gone to bed since.

Speaker 2: 2:25

So your body's accustomed to being up around those times.

Speaker 1: 2:30

Yes, yes, yes. So I tried to sleep, so I bought some melatonin supplements.

Speaker 2: 2:37

So hopefully, prayfully, that when I yeah, melatonin, and get like what they call those curtains that blacken out the room.

Speaker 1: 2:51

Oh yeah, I have dark curtains in the other room but I don't have it in my main room.

Speaker 2: 2:58

Yeah, put that in the room, because the thing is, it's like your brain is what wakes up. So if your brain is in the dark, it's gonna know it's dark.

Speaker 1: 3:08

That's true. So, yeah, you guys out there, y'all pray for me on my brothers and sisters in Christ. Y'all pray for me that God bless me with something stable. Stable schedule nine to five, seven to three, 30. Y'all definitely pray for me, but overall, adne, I'm just doing good. It's just that my flesh is just.

Speaker 2: 3:27

My flesh is like you need to be going to bed, but the spirit is like nope.

Speaker 1: 3:31

There's a word from the Lord.

Speaker 2: 3:33

So there's a word from the Lord.

Speaker 1: 3:35

There's a word from the Lord, but I'm excited about this episode. This is part two of Dina. That's how you, we at first we used to say Dina, Dina.

Speaker 2: 3:44

Dina, Dina, Dina, but her name is Dina.

Speaker 1: 3:49

Yeah, we were just butchering on her name and then you was like, oh, I know how to pronounce it, it's Dina. So I liked that, dina. And part two part this is actually part two. So part one was with our special guest sister, kimberly Hernandez. She did a phenomenal job with that. So it says, kim, if you're listening to part two, we really we miss you, we're gonna miss you this episode, but we know that you probably wanted to be with us, but I'm sure you had other prior engagements. But I'm excited about part two, addy, cause we was deep in, I mean diving and delving right into the text of Genesis 34. And we didn't even read the whole thing. And we're not gonna read the whole thing, we're just gonna read a few verses. But we stopped at verse number three, chapter 34, verse three, and I'm gonna have you read it from verse number three through verse number five and we'll have a discussion.

Speaker 2: 4:43

Right, verse three begins. It says okay. So I'm gonna start here because, remember, the message is completely different than most it says. Then he felt strong how about this?

Speaker 1: 4:58

Yeah, how about this? Can you read one through five? Yeah, just for those that didn't listen to part one Yep, we can do that All right.

Speaker 2: 5:07

I'm reading from the Method Bible in chapter 34, and I'm starting at verse one, and it reads one day Dana, the daughter of Leah had I'm sorry, the daughter Leah had, given Jacob went to visit some of the women in that country. Shackam, the son of Hamor the Hivvite, who was chieftain there, saw her and raped her. Then he felt a strong attraction to Dana, jacob's daughter. He fell in love with her and wooed her. Shackam went to his father Hamor get me the girl for my wife. Verse five Jacob heard that Shackam had raped his daughter, dana, but his sons were out in the field with the livestock so he didn't say anything until they got home.

Speaker 1: 6:01

Lord, I'm mercy. You know it's a lot going on in these first five verses that you just read, adne, and I don't know when this episode will air or go live. But we're recording this episode this October 4th and we are bringing awareness to domestic violence. This is the month that domestic violence awareness month. So this is a form of domestic violence, is a form of abuse, sexual abuse, and it is so fitting, adne, for the month that we're trying to heighten and bring awareness to. But again, like I said, I don't know when this episode is gonna go live. But I know, adne, I know you were victimized, you were a rape victim, so I know you could speak more on that. But what I wanna talk about, verse number three. Let's start off at verse number three and we will tip to all the way to verse number five.

Speaker 1: 6:59

So in my Bible says in verse number three and this is the I'm gonna read three versions it says the NASB version. I know your verse said attracted. So it says he was deeply attracted to Donahue, the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the girl and he spoke tenderly to her. So I'm reading another version Bible. This is the Lexham English Bible. Says and his soul clunged to Donahue, the daughter of Jacob of Jacob, and he loved the girl and spoke tenderly to the girl. So now this is the King James version says and his soul claved onto Donahue and the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel and spake kindly onto the damsel. Now, the reason why I wanted to read three verses, simply because I like how the King James version and also the Lexham English version highlighted soul and clunged.

Speaker 1: 8:00

So when I think about soul, I think about let's just put it in this way, the word clung is the Hebrew definition, means debak and it means to cling, to stick, to stay close, to cleave. So cleave, to join together. So when I think about those words, I think about Genesis, chapter 2 and 24, where it says Therefore, shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall become one. So, adne, I believe I know Denau was violated by Shechem Denau was violated by Shechem, but I believe, adne, that if you notice in verse number 3, after he violated her, he now wanted her, he now had some kind of emotional attraction to her, because I believe that they became one. So I say that because we know the danger of fornication, whether or not you're a fornicator, you're married and having sexual relations with your partner. But we know, when those things transpire you become one. So there becomes a spiritual attraction when it comes to the individual.

Speaker 1: 9:30

Because when you talk about, we talk about soul ties. Right, his soul clunged into that. And when you talk about soul, the soul is the real him and that's where we get our emotions, that's our intellect, that's our feelings, that's our emotions and our passion. So I believe in verse number 3, adne, there's some soul ties that was going in there. Now it's not all the. It's not Denau's fault, it's Shechem's fault.

Speaker 1: 9:58

He wanted how can I put this? I guess, adne, you're a female, so you could probably break it down, because I mean, this has happened to you in the past and I know this has happened to a relative of mine. I'm going to speak on behalf of my relatives because she's been delivered from this situation. When she explained her story, when she was violated by a relative, this relative, his soul clunged to my sister. He constantly kept thinking about it and my sister shared this how things transpired between the perpetrator. And this was happening under our roof, adne, and we didn't even not know. But it shows you that when a person has indulged in some kind of sexual activity with a person, that you become one and again, like I said, I believe that they became one.

Speaker 2: 11:00

When I think about it. Like you said, sex is to be between a husband and a wife, and that is one of the reasons the Lord says a husband should leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife. Why? Because when they engage in that activity, that is an activity that allows them to, number one, be in a state of worship to him, because sex is a form of worship, right. And then, number two, it is these two people declaring themselves for each other.

Speaker 2: 11:38

When Shechem violated the gnaw, he didn't give her the opportunity, he didn't court her, he didn't do anything. All he saw he saw the young girl who didn't look like the people where he was from and he just had to have her. So he violated her and in violating her he became one with her and then becoming one with her, his flesh, his body. It desired her so much and he felt like he loved her. Who knows, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, nobody knows. But if you speak to any rape victim, that is, the last thing on their mind is that this person loves me. If he loved me, you would have done things the right way. You would have sought my hand in marriage. You would have gone to my relative and say hey, I want to marry your daughter, I would love to spend the rest of my life with her. That's not what happened. What you did was you used your power, your strength and you violated her in the worst possible way because, number one, she's a Hebrew, she is a woman of a different caliber, and here it is. You all are y'all barbarians. You literally displayed your barbaric beliefs and mind by raping her.

Speaker 2: 13:01

With my situation when it happened, the one thing that I always said and I blamed myself a lot because I was like maybe I showed this person that I liked them, so they thought it was okay. But that's not okay. And I want to talk to a young girl out there, or even a young boy. If you did not invite this person into your space, they have no right to come in and violate you in such a way. They have no right. I don't care who it is, they have no right.

Speaker 2: 13:39

No means no. When you say no, this is not what I want, that's exactly what it means. It means no. We don't know. You know everyone's speculated because they're like you know, she didn't scream, she didn't yell. We don't know. Nobody was there. None of us from this time was there. All we know is that it's just that he raped her and then, raping her, he took something from her. He took her innocence, he took her virtue, he took her purity. My heart bleeds for those women that have been violated and their innocence have been taken, because it's a lot to recover from, because their first experience is at the hands of a rapist. It's violent, there's no love, there's no oh. You know, this is a time for me and my husband to come to know. This person literally lost something so precious, so beautiful at the hands of a violator, so that experience has been ruined for them. So I really, truly my heart bleeds for those people who, or those women and even young men who have been violated in that manner.

Speaker 1: 14:55

You simplified just for our listeners. Like you said, that word rape and it's still uncomfortable for me to even talk about it. It's just the thought of a man taking advantage of this woman you talk about. Here's one. She's a Hebrew and he's just a Canaanite. He's living in the land of Canaan and actually he's a Hivite. Well, actually he lives in the land of Canaan.

Speaker 1: 15:26

But even the thought of rape, you know, violated her in that way and I like how you pointed out Adne Day. He did things backwards, he was sick. How are you gonna see a young lady? You notice her, you walk up to her, you violate her. After you done taken her innocence, you gonna say, oh, I love you now. Just a sick individual mentally. That's a person that's not. Don't have all the bells and the whistles connecting up there. That's just sickening to me and that's why it's kind of it's difficult for me just to even have this conversation.

Speaker 1: 16:12

But I know that this is a real thing that's happening today in this world, where there are women that are being violated by men and women and there are young men and men that are being violated by women and men. So we know that this is something that is ongoing and this thing must stop. And we see the sinful nature of man and it's just so sad. But let's just go on to the next verse. And we know that he did things out of order because he raped her. Then, on top of that, he loved her. And look at verse number four. So my Bible says so.

Speaker 1: 16:52

Shacum said to his dad hey, mar, get this girl for me as a wife. So now he wants to marry her. Adi, I guess from a female perspective, I want to hear your thoughts on this one here, because I know, because I can't relate how a female may be going through emotionally in terms of if a person violate them and then to do like hey, you know, I just want to, I just want to, I want to marry you now. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2: 18:20

There is a movie I watched back in the I want to say it was in the late 90s and the man, the young lady, was coming from work. He pushed her from behind, raped her and impregnated her and then as sickening as it is he pursued her and then he ended up marrying her and then marrying her. The baby's born, baby grows up, baby gets sick and the baby needs a kidney. Mom is not a match, but dad is a perfect match. Why am I bringing this up? The mom found out because the dad was a perfect match, that he was the man that raped her, because she never saw his face. What happened to the young woman who was violated and is raped and she's impregnated? Fortunately that was not Dina's story. But again, like we said, because of we don't know how long he's been watching Dina, right, again, we're reading the scriptures. We don't know the timeline, we don't know if this is their first encounter, we don't know. But even still, as a woman, how in the world would I want to marry the man that violated and took something so precious to me? Like you, didn't even see me as a woman. If you notice, he said take the damsel for me to wife At that time. That's not what you saw. You just saw something. Or I'm saying something because she wasn't a human being to you, because had she been a human being, you wouldn't have gone and violated her in that way. She was just a piece of property or something that you saw that you wanted to conquer, and you conquered her. And then, after the fact, you want to say, oh, I want to marry her. Now, for me as a woman, I'm sorry to say that I've been like hell. No, nope, absolutely not. I will not marry him. He took something from me. He didn't even see me as a woman. He didn't see my purity. He didn't see, he didn't even see her. You understand what I'm saying. Like a lot of times when, if you ask a man before he married his wife, there is something he saw in her that made him say this is going to be my wife. He didn't violate her. He pursued her in a way that is chased. He pursued her in a way that is respectful, right. But Shekham did not do that. So what woman in her right mind would want to marry her rapist? I don't know of any, not one, not one, because you got to think about the trauma, right? So you violate me, traumatic.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Then you want to go to your daddy and say you want to marry the damsel. Now you see me as a damsel. Now you see that old snap, she was pure, because I wanted to look up the word damsel so I could share what it means. I couldn't find it, but I'm going to find it and I'm going to share it, right. But you say, take the damsel for me, right? And then you telling your dad, and your dad, who's 10 times worse than you, doesn't even say no, that's not how we're going to do things. You know, we have to do things decently and in order. And yeah, it's just sickening. That's all I could say. That's just sickening to me. It's sickening to me.

Speaker 1: 22:19

It is, and I want to put it in modern terms. So I'm going to say a couple of things based on what we're reading about Shekham. So, firstly, shekham was more concerned about taking care of his fleshly desire. You know that's fleshly because you know we have there's three components of man there's flesh, spirit and soul. So Shekham was more concerned about his flesh, about satisfying himself and and and we know, adne he's there's no spiritual background. Shekham does not have a spiritual background.

Speaker 1: 23:04

What we do know that he's a hivite that live in the land of Canaan. So what we do know about the folks that live in Canaan besides the Hebrews, that these other individuals, these other individuals, these aides we call them the aides y'all that they worship other gods, they're into other gods, so they do not honor the one true God, yahweh, they do not honor him. So when you don't honor the one true God and you honor and or worship in the little G gods, we know that there's no, there's no good morals. You know the things that they do is unethical and it's not morally correct. It's going to always be an opposition to the things that's of the spiritual realm. So if we put it in modern term, adne, he wanted, um, in the beginning. This, this is when he first met her. He wanted the pleasure, without the benefits he wanted. Yeah, he wanted the pleasure. He wanted to satisfy himself without the benefit of. So, just because I said I'm not even talking about marriage, I'm saying the benefit of getting to know her, the benefit of spending time. See, see, the thing is so Adne. One thing about marriage, right, a true man of God, he that finds the wise, finds the good thing and attains favor from the Lord. When you find a good thing, you obtain favor from the Lord. Favor, deceitful beauty, is favor to God. For women. She shall be praised.

Speaker 1: 24:41

When a God fear man meets a God for a woman, his initial, his, although, yeah, he may look at her beauty. But what attracts a God fear man that I'm going to keep on saying that. I'm going to keep on reiterating that what attracts a God fear man is the spirit of his potential wife. That's what attracts that and it goes both ways. So it's not only one sided. A golly woman if she happened to meet a golly man, she's going to feel his spirit. Yeah, he may be tall. I don't know why people say tall, dark and handsome. Can he be? Short foot. Can he be short foot change? Can he be five, seven, adne?

Speaker 2: 25:26

In all honesty, I think it's the character of the man that women well, for let me say it this way for me back in the day, light skin, pretty eyes right Now, it's like being nurtured by the word of God. I appreciate a man who, too, is being nurtured by the word of God.

Speaker 1: 25:47

Exactly yes.

Speaker 2: 25:48

Which means that we are very, very, very, very good, being nurtured by the word of God. Exactly, yes, which means that we are both seeking God first in all things right, and in understanding that when I meet my potential mate, or when he meets me, it's like God will whisper in both of our ears and say, ok, this is the person right, like it's like your spirit, the spirit of God, draws you to each other and, in the drawing, to each other, you know, you get to know that person, you get to spend time with that person, you get groups of people together so you won't be in compromising situations because you want to protect each other's virtue. And then you know, you say, ok, you know what, we want to take this a little further. So here comes the engagement right, this man goes and takes out the most beautiful ring that he can find because he feels like she's deserving of it, and then he plans this whole thing. You know, maybe he plans the whole thing, or maybe he just takes her to dinner and says, hey, you know what, I just cannot see myself without you in my future, so I want to spend the rest of my life with you, right? And then she says, oh my gosh, yes, yes, I was waiting for this to happen. And then you know they get engaged. And then they can get engaged, probably, and say, ok, we're going to wait a whole year. Or they're like, nah, look, we want this thing to happen real quick. So let's just go ahead and go to the courthouse and get this thing done, get married, so that way we can already start our lives together and everybody else will do a reception for them. Who knows? Whatever the case may be, but at least there is a process that takes place, and it is God that is that is in the forefront of this relationship With Shekham.

Speaker 2: 27:39

It was straight up demonic. Ok, he led with his flesh and with the flesh he went and he violated this young woman. So let me talk to a rapist right now. Let me speak to a pedophile right now. Let me speak to that person that is violating somebody's child right now. That husband who married a woman, who has a teenage daughter or a little girl or a little boy. And you purposely, purposefully, picked this woman out because you know she's a single mom and she works and you know that you will be there.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Shame on you, shame on you, shame on you for looking at a woman and desiring her to the point where you're not man enough because I'm sorry, this is, and it may sound harsh on me saying this You're not man enough to approach this woman to say, hey, I would love to take you out on a dinner and just to see where this goes. But no, you allow the enemy to enter into your heart and you violate this woman, to take something from her, whether she's a virgin or whether she's already sexually active. That is not your place to go and violate her in such a way. Shame on you, on this pedophile that looks at a little girl or a little boy and says that you want them in such a manner. Shame on you. You need help, help. Number one, you need Jesus, and number two, you need a therapist, because it is not right that these poor children are being ruined. Their lives are being turned upside down. They're losing self-worth and self-identity because somebody took away something so precious to them.

Speaker 2: 29:30

That woman who was violated has no trust for men. She may have met the man that she was to marry, but because of her being violated, she can't even open herself up to him. Shame on you, because it is not right. It is not right for you to think in your mind that it is okay for you to approach someone and just take from them because you think you have the power to do so. And that is to the politicians, that is to the cops that think that they have the right to do that.

Speaker 2: 30:11

I'm talking to you too because, yes, if we look at the statistics, a lot of times men in power are the main ones that are performing these type of acts. And that's what Shechem showed. Because he was a Hivite prince, he thought he had the right to violate Dina. Shame on you and you need help and I pray. I pray that you are man enough to go to God and repent and that you are smart enough to seek the right therapist. And if you are the man that was violated and you became a violator again, shame on you, because it is your job, your healing is your responsibility, your healing is your job. Seek the proper help that you need to heal from that, because no one's life deserves to be turned top 30, because you could not control yourself or you chose not to control yourself.

Speaker 1: 31:15

Yeah, that was very profound, very, very profound, and I thank you for sharing those words to somebody that may be going through it even at this time while they're listening to this episode. But, Adne, I want to go in a different direction with verse number four and then we're going to skip over to verse number five. So, as you mentioned, the spirit of Shechem was demonic. It wasn't a spirit from God by way of just taking advantage of Dina. But I want to go in a different direction. So there are men and I want to put it in a modern term, it's not more so rape, but there are a lot of men that exploit and a lot of women out there, as you mentioned. Whereas in Shechem's case, shechem's yes, he raped Dina and then he went to his father and he wanted to wifer. But what I wanted to say when I went, when I meant by I want to go in a different direction whereas there are men that have multiple women in modern time, guys that have multiple women and what they want to do to them, they want to play as though they love them, like as though they're going to marry them, but it's kind of like what I said earlier they want the pleasure, but they don't want the benefit of getting to know that sister, they don't want the benefit of even marrying that sister, they just want to just simply just open her legs. I mean, I know it's two ways Women got to have self-worth and look at themselves in the mirror and say you know what? I'm not going to let this guy take advantage of me, because that's the form of taking advantage of. I mean because dudes and we know that there are more women than men in this country, in the world, there's more women everywhere more women at the jobs, more women in college, more women in just pretty much everywhere. And though the Lord knows, don't go to the mall, you don't see number of women, but guys. There's more guys in jail or either dead. So there are guys out there that will manipulate women. They would trick them into thinking that they're the only one. So, as a result, they will exploit them, they'll sleep with them and they'll say you know what? I wanted to test the waters before I marry you, because there are men like that. They said I would not marry you until I see without what you're working with. So I'm talking to those men that have the spirit of shechem that they got to repent. They got to repent. And the reason why I say it worked both ways, because I believe that women got to have self-worth, got to look at themselves and say you know what I'm worthy, I know they need to start saying Jesus Christ is my boyfriend.

Speaker 1: 34:00

And when I was in the world I saw encounter women and I used to try to talk to them. It was certain women I used to talk to. They'd be like I got a boyfriend, I'm like who your boyfriend? Who's your boyfriend? And they're like Jesus, adne, don't you know that word? Jesus used to scare the demons. That word Jesus used to scare the demons out of me and I used to flee from their life. So I think women got to have like a lot of self-worth and say you know what? I'm not going to let a guy take advantage of me, try to sway me or taught to taught me any kind of way just so he could get me in bed. I know, yeah, we're talking about the now deny, how deny got raped, but I'm talking about the spirit of Shechem, of having you wanting a male, wanting pleasure without the benefits. So let's just go ahead and skip over to verse number five, adne, reading your version again.

Speaker 2: 34:49

And verse number five. It says Jacob heard that Shechem had raped his daughter Dona, but his sons were out in the fields with the livestock so he didn't say anything until they got home.

Speaker 1: 35:04

I'm going to try my hardest not to talk about Jacob.

Speaker 1: 35:06

So it's talking about Jacob. He heard what happened to his daughter, how, in the word, the Bible in my version says that Dona was. We kept on saying violated, violated, but they use the term defiled, she. You know, she was defiled by Shechem and Jacob didn't say a word. Wow, so Jacob didn't say a word. This is the ad.

Speaker 1: 35:33

I was going to try my hardest not to talk about Jacob, but since he's in this passage, we got to talk about the leader. So, so, adne, this is what I'm getting out of this right, and I want to try to put it in modern term, modern term, and I want to go back. I'm going to go back in the future, or is it back to? Yeah, I'm going to go back to the future, back to what happened to my sister in the house. So, my sister, when she was violated, she, she told adults, I think she told a couple of adults, but the adults, they kept silent, and it's very ironic that the Bible has an adult. He heard what happened to his daughter, how she got violated. He didn't say a word, adne, don't you know?

Speaker 1: 36:23

There are single mothers that have daughters that know that their daughter is being violated and they keep in silent. Same thing the son may be getting violated and it's an adult parent in the house is keeping silent. So there is nothing new under the sun. We see it right here in this text where an adult, jacob, his daughter, being defiled and he ain't say a word. Now y'all got to go ahead and read the whole chapter for yourself. But this is a real thing and this is why we're we're kind of like bringing awareness to it. Adne, I mentioned how this is the October, the month of domestic violence awareness month, and we're highlighting all kinds of abuse sexual abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse and we could capture this right here, where this is a former abuse that's going on and nobody is speaking on it. Now there's going to be revenge, but we're I'm talking about the adult, I'm talking about the leader that's supposed to take ownership and take responsibility and he ought to show justice for what transpired with his daughter, but he just kept silent. He ain't say a word.

Speaker 2: 37:39

I want to talk to the mom Because you always know I have something to say. I have a little I had at the time. I refused to date while my daughter was young and if I dated they were never allowed to come around my child. The same thing happened when my son was born. I refused to bring anybody around them because, number one, I knew what happened to me and number two, I knew what was going on in the world. I said, as parents, if we do not understand that God blessed our wounds as mothers, blessed our wounds as fathers, our seed to give birth to these children and we are to be their protector, we are to be their provider and we are to steward them well, shame on us.

Speaker 2: 38:32

I remember telling my aunt that I was being felt on by a relative and my aunt told me I was lying. It took my little cousin to come to me and say I know you're telling the truth because he did the same thing to me. Parents, stop saying your children are lying, because what happens is you cause them to shut down and they never share. When something greater happens To me, I was just touched. But can you imagine the little girl who is being raped and molested Because you caused her a liar. She never opened her mouth, so everything went farther than it needed to go because she went to her mama and her mama says she was a liar. Mothers, stop choosing your boyfriends or your husbands over your children. God blessed you with these children to steward them well and to protect them, and you choosing a man over them is a shame before God. And maybe that's what happened to you. Your mom chose her boyfriend over you and you were being raped by her boyfriend. Whatever the case may be, break the cycle. I won't call it a curse. I will say it's a cycle. Break the cycle when your child comes to you and say, hey, mom, such and such touched me in the wrong way. Don't tell her, don't tell him he's lying. Investigate and kick that person out your house and out of your life.

Speaker 2: 40:13

There is a movie I watched a long time ago called called bastard of Carolina. That movie always touched me in such a way because this little girl was being raped by her mother's husband and her mother took her birth certificate, gave her to her relatives and stayed married to him. Can you imagine what happened to that little girl when she became a woman to know that her mother chose a rapist, a molester, over her. The hurt, the pain, the trauma that my mama chose a man that was hurting me over me.

Speaker 2: 40:55

Parents, I'm saying it for a reason it is time for you to really look deep into your heart. If that is what you're doing, I'm sorry. You need help. And number two if you can't love your children the way that God needs you to love them, give them up for adoption. Allow somebody else to raise them that will love them the way that they need to be loved. But no children, no children, deserve to be hurt the way that you know this young woman and whether we believe it or not, dinah. Dinah was a young girl. She wasn't even a woman yet. She was a young girl. Let's be reminded of that. And my dear brother just said his own sister was being violated by a relative. Oh, and that's another thing. Just because Uncle Such-and-Such is helping you pay the bills doesn't mean that your daughter or your son should be given up to the highest bidder so those bills could be paid. Love your children enough to protect them.

Speaker 1: 41:56

Amen, addy, and man, I see this is the thing and this is why parents need to speak up and we need to monitor and study the behavior of our children, because children, they act funny. They act up when something is going on with them and they deem that it's not normal. They will act funny because I had, I recall, with my sister when she got violated. She just started, she had behavior issues and we're like, well, where is this behavior coming from? And she wouldn't say anything and but I know she did mention it to an adult figure and then again they kept silent. So there is help and, addy, I have a 800 number that, for those who are listening to this podcast, that's, maybe they've been victims of being violated by a loved one, a relative or just anybody there is help. So there's a number that they could call and it's a 24-7,. They could get, they could get 24 support and it's confidential, so it's a confidential hotline. They could call 800-656-HOPE, h-o-p-e. They could call 800-656-HOPE. So that's the number. The number is 800-656-4673. So definitely call that number if you are being sexually assaulted by someone, a relative or just anybody, or if you spoke into an adult and they just kept silent, like Jacob.

Speaker 1: 43:36

But Addy, look, I really enjoyed this episode of the Na'a. It highlights and it captures the flaws of humanity and whenever I see these events that happen between even if they, if whoever like listening to us, and they read the whole chapter, the Hebrews wasn't alright either. There's some things that they did that I'm sure that God wasn't pleased with. But it shows you, even with these characters, from the Na'a to Jacob to Shechem, it shows you why humans, humanity, are in need of a savior. It shows me why we need Jesus Christ more than we think. Although some people may think, oh, I don't need God, I could live without God. In fact I am God.

Speaker 1: 44:23

You know, there are people out there that think they're God, but no, we are all in need of a savior because, leave it up to us, we'll mess things up, we'll destroy things, we'll destroy each other, we'll start nitpicking things that really is, is not even relevant to to being a human, like, such, as, skin color. We'll be saying, oh, my skin color is better than your skin color, or I'm from this part of the land and you're just from this part of the land. We just start nitpicking stuff. Or my car is better than your car, or my job is better than your car, but where's the love? What happened to love God at all your heart, all your mind and all your soul, and likewise your neighbor? You got to love God first and love your neighbor.

Speaker 1: 45:08

So I think Adne, like these biblical characters, especially the, not the not name, and I think we talked about that in part one, but I did a quick Google search Her name means justice and God judged injustice. So I think that that this awareness that we're bringing forth Adne about domestic violence verbal, physical, sexual I think somebody need to be the mouthpiece for those that are on being silence. Any, any closing remarks I want to speak to the victims.

Speaker 2: 45:42

Know that you are not alone and, like brother Nick said, there is a number out there. If you are a little child, a little kid that is being violated, talk to a teacher. Go to your principal. Do not hold this in, because when they don't talk, they're held responsible. They really truly are. Teachers are held responsible If a child comes to them and says that they're being abused and they don't report it. Principles are held responsible If they have a child come into their classroom and they say, hey, I'm being violated and they don't report it. So you have a way of escape.

Speaker 2: 46:28

I'm speaking to the mother who doesn't love herself enough and because she doesn't love herself enough, she's allowing any type of man to come into her life.

Speaker 2: 46:40

Love Jesus, get into a relationship with Jesus. If you don't even have, if you don't even know who Jesus is, find your local church of Christ. Sit at the feet of the minister, sit at the feet of the minister's wife, sit at the feet of the congregants and allow them to pour life into you. Introduce you to Jesus, because once you are introduced to Jesus, you will understand your worth in your value, and once you understand your worth in your value, you will understand the worth and the value of your children and you will know that God gave them to you to protect you and not to allow somebody to hurt them and violate them. And if you were violated, I ask you, I plead with you seek therapy, specifically trauma therapy, not talk therapy, but trauma therapy, because God loves you. And because God loves you, he has a great plan for you and he has a great plan for your children, and that's what I wanted to share.

Speaker 1: 47:49

Amen, amen, All right world. So it was a very, very good discussion about the na, but remember that Jesus Christ, he is the king of kings and he's the Lord of lords. Be blessed. That's it for now, but before we go, please continue to listen, subscribe, share our podcast. Also, if you want to support our show, please scroll down to the bottom of the notes and click on the link that says buy me a coffee. We were greatly appreciated. Thank you for listening and remember God is good all the time and all the time God is good and also Jesus Christ loves you. Thank you.