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73 - Jeremy Bolm of Touché Amoré
In this incredible episode, we catch up with Jeremy Bolm, the electrifying lead singer of the Los Angeles post-hardcore band Touché Amoré. Join us as we take a trip down memory lane, revisiting Jeremy's record store roots and exploring the incredible bands that have shaped his artistry. Matt and Jeremy also dive deep into the significance of authenticity and lyrical vulnerability, revisit the band's electric set at Outbreak Festival, and get an exclusive sneak peek at Touché Amoré's highly anticipated new album, set to drop later this year. As always, brought to you by Sailor Jerry!
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All right, jeremy Bohm here on the Sailor Jerry podcast. What a pleasure, my man. We have probably talked more in the last week here than we probably have in the last decade. I was just on your podcast and now you're here on our podcast, so thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a pleasure. It's an absolute pleasure. I think I said it on the episode we did together on mine, where, though, you and I just had our longest conversation the other day. You're someone I just look to as just like a fixture of LA, and it's always so nice to see you when I do see you, so it's nice to have another opportunity to chat it up with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, absolutely stoked to have you on. Truth be told, we were going to do this episode down the road a little bit, maybe in like another couple of weeks, but you just got back from Outbreak Fest over in Manchester and the FOMO is real. There were so many great bands and so much great footage coming out of Outbreak. I messaged you and I said, hey, man, any way we could kind of push this up because I really want to get the lowdown on the festival, because you guys played an incredible set and it just looked like such an incredible scene. The vibe looked fantastic.
Speaker 1:So I figured we'd start with a little bit of a breakdown of Outbreak Fest, manchester, uk, for our listeners who don't know. Historical music scene we got Herman's Hermits, the Hollies, the Bee Gees, the Smiths, joy Division, happy Mondays, stone Roses, the Verb, the Fall Oasis insane music scene. But it's just one of those magical places for music and obviously, as a touring band from the States, you go to London. It's incredible, england is incredible, the UK is incredible. But there's just something special about Manchester. From what I know about the festival, it started in 2011. Obviously, huge couple of years for hardcore, big resurgence. What was the vibe like at the fest and start us off and walk us through the Touche Amore set.
Speaker 2:So we were lucky enough to play in 2022. That was our first time ever doing that festival and I say to this day it's like it was my favorite show we've ever played, because it was like there was a lot to it. It was our first time in the UK post pandemic and we had this new album that we hadn't had a chance to play to anybody yet. There was also like some stress that got alleviated. Like the second we hit the stage where it was like we were never supposed to headline every time I die was. They unfortunately fell apart, so then they just basically moved us up to the headliner, which is like flattering, but at the same time like maybe from a from a fan perspective, they're like well, we already knew they were playing. This feels like potentially, us rockers know the the term deadliner where it's like, oh, did this become the sunday deadliner? Uh. But as soon as we hit that stage, man, the entire room was still filled, nobody left, and we opened with the first song off that new record and the whole place sang it back and it was like and we opened with the first song off that new record and the whole place sang it back and it was like it was just this huge, just like breath of like. Wow, this is I miss this so much. And wow, the love in this room. It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Try not to read the comments, but a lot of people seem pretty indifferent about people like manchester, it's gonna fucking piss rain the entire time. What are you guys thinking? Yeah, and it was a clear skies all weekend until we hit the stage. Then it's just like torrential downpour. But what's, what's cute is that the audience and the vibe of like the whole scenario seemed to be like touche in the rain was so cathartic and I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll take it like if that, if that's the way to spin this to where people are just sad and wet, like like fucking, I'm down. So it was amazing, man, like from far away, I was like, oh no, is there a barrier?
Speaker 2:But there wasn't a barrier. It was just like there was like a lip so people could like still roll up and like jump off the stage and have a lot of fun. It was like a really, really cool experience. Saw a lot of good friends. That's the thing about that fest too. It's like you know what it's like? You've done a million festivals, those ones where all of your friends are just there and you haven't seen each other in a long time. So every time you open a door you just someone just goes, hey, and it's like that's the whole the whole time. So that was a lot of fun, like our stage was stacked where it was like fucking, they went like nothing ceremony, poison, the well touche, have hard basement, which is just like crazy. Damn, yeah it was yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was really really cool. The band I was most excited to see was that band, chat pile. I don't know if you're familiar, if you've listened to them at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I recently just got turned on to them. It seemed super, super heavy and super awesome and they look kind of like like unhinged on stage. They. They look a little wild Like a grumpy dude just kind of moping around. What was the vibe? How were they Shirtless?
Speaker 2:shoeless the whole nine. Someone asked how would you describe chat pile? I say antisocial music. It is like the antisocial music and I love me some antisocial music. It's like it's. It's real unhinges, the right way to say it. Like it's if you mix like fucking, like swans, big black corn, like all of these weird mix of just like they're so unique and so goddamn cool and they've only ever played californ California one time and it was like at a festival, so I didn't catch them. So I was like today's the day I'm going to see them. They also all have like aliases, which I think is really funny. Like the singer goes by Reagan Bush, but like Bush spelled like beer. It's just, it's awesome. Like Luther Manhole is the guitar player.
Speaker 1:It's just oh, oh, I like that, I like a good musical alias.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're, they're fucking cool. So that was really exciting to see and then so I wasn't going to go back the next day, just because it was like kind of a pain to get in and out of the festival from like where I was staying. Yeah, I got dinner with a friend finished up that dinner and looked at my watch and I was like, like man, I know, Thursday goes on in 90 minutes Like and I'm saying bye to my friend.
Speaker 2:What am I going to do? What else do I have to do? So I figured it out. I got there and then ended up hopping on stage with Thursday singing a song with them, which was a whole lot of fun.
Speaker 1:So it was just a fantastic weekend. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Yeah, the footage from your set looked incredible. I love the description of sad and wet when it comes to describing the English rain and England in general. Right, but yeah, I mean it just it looked incredible, man. It looked absolutely incredible. And after all these years I don't think I still haven't seen your band live, which is infuriating to me and that's something that absolutely has to change and a cool moment for Thursday as well, a band that we both know really well. I'm stoked to see them having their legacy moment right now. The last couple of years, maybe the last two years especially, they've been just doing these tours and whether it's playing records front to back or whatever, but it seems like they've kind of crossed over into that Hall of Fame type band type band Totally and they and also they dropped a new song, which they haven't.
Speaker 2:they hadn't had a new song in a really, really long time and it's so fucking good. It's just like the chorus and it is unbelievable. It was really exciting to see them do that outbreak set because they're they're consistent touring band, but if you see them nine, nine and a half times out of 10, there's probably going to be a barrier. You know like they play like nice venues and stuff.
Speaker 2:So to see them do an outbreak, set in front of kids who are just like diving the whole time you could see it on their faces that they're like this is so sick that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you for the for the outbreak breakdown, the post game show yeah, post game show.
Speaker 1:well, no, it's just cool, man, because one of the things that that I've always appreciated about you and I think it's a universally appreciated about you, if I dare say is that you are a genuine lover of music, man, and it's just, it's something that's really cool. It's really inspiring to see, because there's a lot of people who might not understand this, but you know, sometimes the music scene isn't necessarily filled with people who really, really love music. It's just like somewhere along the way they can, they can lose it, or it becomes a job, or there's all sorts of different things that can happen to something that you love and something that has changed your life or whatever. So it's cool to, it's cool to talk with you about music, because I know how much it means to you. You know what I'm saying Totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, like my first job out of high school was working at a record store and that job changed my entire life, like I was such an introverted kid, like the idea of like having to talk to random customers, even just to ring them up was like incredibly stressful, but I had some amazing older coworkers who, like, really took me under their wing and, like, not only showed me so much music that I never probably would have found on my own, but also, just like, made me comfortable in my own skin in a way, like they all became like older brothers, older sisters to me, and so I'm thankful for that job, because it not only, yeah, brought me out of my shell, but it also showed me so much music that I, like I said, I probably would have never found on my own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's rad and it seems like every kind of artist or every person in general has moments that mean a lot. But it seems like that record store job was kind of a pivotal moment for your love of music. What were some kind of artists or people or or or bands that kind of had an impact on you when you were kind of first coming out of your shell? Oh good, question.
Speaker 2:Well, so I was. I mean, like I was a music fan really really early on, like I. I just it was the only thing I cared about. Um, my brother was I have an older brother. He was always kind of more of a video game guy. He also does love music and he plays drums and stuff like that, but like it was all I cared about. It was like I had to just go what?
Speaker 2:There was a few different record stores in my neighborhood, one like right at the top of my street that had the best name that I had no idea what it meant when I was a kid. It was called DB Coopers, which is like the hardest name for a record store. But I didn't know, I just figured it was like the owner's name or something. But anyway, yeah, like so I would, I would you know, get, get out of school and basically just go sit cross legged on the floor and go through all of the UCDs and there probably only be like six added every single day, but I would still look through all of them, read all the liner notes, see whatever I could find.
Speaker 2:But along the way I was obsessed with Nirvana and Pearl Jam and all that sort of stuff that was so big for me and then eventually it got really into metal. I loved Korn, I loved Sepultura.
Speaker 1:A lot of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2:And then I found hardcore through the OzFest 96 VHS because because earth crisis was on that and I was like what is this? Found that? And then around that same time I also bought stripes in this defiance because I saw that chino from the deftones did a, did a guest spot on it and I was like yeah, wait what? Because that was me sitting cross-legged on the floor reading through all the liner notes and all of a sudden I see, see Additional Vocals by Chino Moreno and I was like wait a minute, what? So I bought that. And then just it's so funny how you're At that time in your life like all music is just cool and you're not. You don't know that there's different tribes to belong to. You know what I'm saying? It's like if you're a metal kid you only listen about.
Speaker 2:Like this is at a time in my life where I was like I didn't know that there was a difference between strife and like sepultura or corn and earth crisis, like to me it was just heavy and aggressive. But eventually you start to kind of figure that stuff out where you're like, okay, this is different. But then then I I I started working at a record shop and then, probably when I was there is when I got way more into like indie rock and stuff like that, which is when I found bands like bell and sebastian and and uh, and that for me was like a huge one so, like I found at that point in my life, I was listening to the softest stuff I could listen to and then also some of the hardest stuff, cause I was like obsessing over, like when Jane Doe from Converge came out the same time.
Speaker 2:I was obsessing over like Dear Catastrophe Waitress from Bill and Sebastian.
Speaker 1:That's awesome man, and it's funny how Korn now I get it. But it's like you know, for me especially Korn, and like that first album, dude, I wore it out Like I fucking loved it. I loved it and when it came out there was nothing like it and it was so sick. And you know the same thing with like chaos ad was a record that I was sepultura that fuck man.
Speaker 1:That record I listened to that definitely still every now and then I'll put on the first corn record, but it's gotta be, it's gotta, you know, it's gotta gotta be in a little bit of a crazy place when I go back and listen to that. But both those records were so amazing, man and I think Strife, especially in LA you can't understate how kind of important they were and what an impact they had. Because even for me I was very anti-metal hardcore when all that stuff was dropping, when Earth Crisis came out, all that stuff, I was on the fucking punk train man. I was not trying to hear about it, but I understood it was there and even as it was happening it was having an immediate impact, immediate impact. So it's cool, man. I could see how those are big records, big bands for you totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I've said this before, but I wonder if you how you feel were you a Nirvana guy? Did you like Nirvana?
Speaker 1:Big time yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you and I are very close in age. When Kurt Cobain passed, I genuinely thought music was over. And I was so young that's such a dramatic thing to feel. I was like 11 years old and I was like music is fucking done. And then later that summer or whatever it was, I saw the music video for Blind and I was like wait a minute, because that came out in 94, shortly after Kurt passed, and it was like fucking, what is it? God closes the door, opens the window, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just like wait a second, wait a second. What is this shit, this?
Speaker 2:is so much more aggressive. There's people jumping all over each other in this music video. I don't understand. It Gives a butthead, watches the music video and makes fun of it. But I'm down. So I get that cassette and then, yeah, off to the races I go.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude. And then that album too. There's so many incredible songs, but just there's also super funny songs like the knickknack paddywhack give a dog a bone song yeah man. Shoots and Ladders, shoots and Ladders, shoots and Ladders. But then, like dude, the last two songs where he's like crying and then like the studio door slams, that record kind of has like it's got all the fixings of a classic it is, it's haunting, it's heavy, it's scary.
Speaker 2:It. It's an incredible album, man, and then a full circle situation.
Speaker 1:We've now worked with ross robinson, the guy who did that, yeah, and has done, and has done a lot of these records that were that we're kind of talking about here.
Speaker 2:Like he ended up doing roots from sepultura, all that sort of stuff. So hearing all the inside baseball on some of that stuff was just like so full circle and crazy and everything like that. But yeah, yeah man, those records were great. They were pretty terrifying, pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, man. So how you know? Let's get into you picking up a microphone. Let's get into Touche Amore. First album came out in 2009? Yes, Full length, yeah, 2009. Okay, so how does that band get started? How do you become the singer of that band? Tell me the story so.
Speaker 2:I had played guitar in bands, always Like I'd always just play guitar.
Speaker 1:Really, you're a guitar player.
Speaker 2:Yeah, always was, and not a good one, one that gets by.
Speaker 2:I learned I went from learning the power chord to learning the bar chord. And once you learn that bar chord it's even worse, because you're like wait a minute, I just threw one thing down and now I just lay my finger across and I get this thing done. Uh, so, yeah, like I yeah, I'd always play guitar um, the band I was in before had broken up or not, sorry, I had left and wanted to just do something so different, like I'd always kind of had a bug to want to try to sing in a band or yell in a band or whatever, but never had really the motivation or the courage or whatever it was. But I found myself without a band and I was like, maybe now? So I kind of grabbed random friends that I knew that I liked a lot, that, some of which I'd never met before. But I was like I think that guy would be cool to be in a band with, think that guy would be cool to be in a band with, that guy would be cool to be in a band with.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, we wrote a handful of songs and but what was great was, I know, when you and I spoke, you had done bands before the Bronx and everything like that. So I was curious. I don't think I don't think you and I really talked about this, but once the Broncos you had mentioned, you were now in a band with people who are like industry minded, knew how shit works, right, yeah, and how much of a leg up that gives you when you're starting a new band. Right, because you start making really critical decisions before you're even getting off the ground. Right, you're thinking ahead in a way that, like, if you're just a garage band with your buddies who, like, haven't had much experience, it's different, right? So, like, with this band, I had done all the boot camp like my previous band.
Speaker 2:I'd done all the boot camp, I'd done all the fucking touring the country in a van that's falling apart every every two days, driving 12 hours to a show that doesn't exist to like all the hard shit, right. So when two, when I started touche, it was like okay, we're not gonna play a show until we have something to sell, until we have like a full demo to sell before we have like t-shirts like we like we're only gonna play if we're opening for like a cool band that's coming to town, like we're not gonna overplay our hometown. Like in our first year I think we only played la a handful of times and it was like our second show was in the Bay Area. It was just like let's be smart about this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And that was sort of it, and we were already doing West Coast tours. We did two West Coast tours, I think, in the second year we were a band and that was around the time that we ended up doing the first LP. But it was just like, yeah, it was, we tried to be as strategic as possible, um, so that we don't. Yeah, like I think there's something about overplaying your hometown when you're starting out.
Speaker 1:that can be detrimental because no one knows you. Yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can only get your co-workers and your and your closest friends to come see you play the same fucking bar or open mic or whatever it is every other weekend?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely man. And when it comes to the band, how? When it comes to you singing yeah, going a little bit deeper how long did it take you to feel coming from the guitar world? Let's say, how long did it take you to feel comfortable on the microphone, on stage, just being a standalone singer?
Speaker 2:So you get gifted this thing. When you're playing the kind of music that we are trying to make right, when it's not uncommon to, where you're the kind of band that's playing floor shows and the whole band has its back to the audience you know what I'm saying Everyone's just throwing themselves around and whatever. So those first probably like 30 shows we were probably not playing on the stage and it was a lot of back to the audience just flailing around, which then eventually people started to know our words, which then made me feel a little more comfortable turning around, because now I can pass the mic to people and I think that was the evolution. It was like I'm scared to look at people. I feel uncomfortable a bit. Oh, people know the words. Now I can share this moment and then eventually I'm facing the crowd. I think that's the turn of how it went. That makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome man. And as the band progressed, parting the sea between brightness and me is survived by both on Death Wish, stage 4, huge record for you, huge record for the band. And, of course, lament, both on Epitaph. One thing that I think is special about you, which I identify with personally as a writer, is you're super vulnerable with your lyrics, and I just kind of wanted to wrap with you about songwriting for a little bit. Was that kind of an automatic thing, like is that just who you are, or was it a process of, like, trying to get stuff out of your? A lot of times writing is cathartic, it's therapeutic. You write to just express yourself, to heal yourself, but some people that's just who they are, like they're just going to let it spill Is being vulnerable lyrically. Is it a difficult thing for you, or is it just who you are as a writer? I?
Speaker 2:think it is just who I am. It's just what happens. You know what I'm saying and I've always firmly believed that. It's not lost on me how many millions of bands exist, right? Everyone has every choice in the world to listen to a million different things. So if someone is kind enough to give me their time, I owe it to them to be as open as possible, to give as much of myself as possible because they're giving me their time and I feel I owe that to them to be as direct as possible and let out whatever I'm going through, because it's going to be ultimately healing in some respect for myself too. But it's funny, we talk about you're just talking about Korn, and I think that and I've had this conversation with Ross Robinson before, where I think what drew me to that band without realizing it when I was young and then as time went on, was the vulnerability you- know, like that to me was the like.
Speaker 2:There was elements in Nirvana that were, that were vulnerable, for sure, but Korn, I think, was the first band because, yeah, you hear him crying on these records and stuff like that, and eventually that's what I'm chasing. You know what I'm saying? It's bands that you and I didn't talk about this, but I would be curious to hear your side on this too. But it's like what you know. You you were mentioning you were not so into the metal corey stuff when that was happening in the 2000s and stuff like that and I I you liked some of that stuff.
Speaker 2:For sure there's bands that I certainly like, but it was always I was very surgical in how I got into those bands because for me, if I can, if I hear the vocals and it sounds like they're making a voice as opposed to making this voice, because it's how they're feeling, it's a big difference for me, like I need to hear that this person means it, as opposed to they're just like growling, like a monster. That's like uninteresting to me. So if the vocals feel genuine, whether I even like the music or not, it's going to make me appreciate your band. So that's always been important to me, like the honesty and the voice like you have. You yourself, like there are some vocal parts in your records that like can give me chills because I can tell that you genuinely fucking mean.
Speaker 1:One of the things that first stands out is just the ability to see yourself in the music, in the lyrics specifically. It's way more open, it's way more something that you can relate to, and I think vulnerability is just a little bit just further down that same rabbit hole. You have some riders who are comfortable just completely sharing their lives in a way that is super powerful and can affect anyone who listens to it, and some people they have a more surface level of that type of vulnerability where there's only so much they're going to share and we're lucky to get it. You know what I mean. But it is super cool because I feel you on that and I really always appreciate vulnerability in songwriting.
Speaker 1:It's something that I think is very tough to do and I think it's something that you I think you walk a line sometimes as a songwriter. You hear a lot of people talk about how you'd never want to make things too personal, because then it's like the world as a whole can't really grab onto your song or whatever, and I kind of get that, but I also kind of don't. Like it's. The artistry is just to express yourself how you want to express yourself, and I do believe that when you're censoring yourself for the sake of making the song more appealing to the general public, you lose something.
Speaker 2:I have found and I'm sure you have too that the more specific, the more hyper-specific you get in what you write, the more you're going to connect with people.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Whatever that may be, whether you reference a fucking street corner in LA, guess what? That street corner probably has that same name in another town. You know what I'm saying? There's a million ways that you can get really, really specific and have it have a bigger impact than you'd ever imagine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and the emotions that someone can sing about those specifics are something to where maybe, if you generalize the lyrics a little bit, you lose the emotion within yourself when it comes to performing it. So then you might have something lyrically that people can identify with on a general level, but they're not identifying with the way you're delivering it or singing it, because it loses something when you put some sand on it or try to cover it up with kind of try to code your lyrics and stuff like that. So it is interesting. It's a really cool rider to rider kind of thing. I really don't think there's a right way or a wrong way to write a song. As long as it's coming from an honest place, I think that it can land with somebody somewhere. You know what I mean, totally, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you know, the stage four record that we have I remember driving around playing it, for I know you're friends with them too Pat Kinlan, chuck Church, pat Kinlan, so you know that dude's personality right.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so he's the best.
Speaker 2:He's one of my favorite people I've ever met through music, but he's also Pat Kinlan, right. So I was driving around with him and we got like four songs in and he was just like, so you're trying to alienate anyone under 35 on this record? And I was like I don't know, I was like this, like this. I just this is what I had to write, and I think that people take loss in a lot of different ways, whether it's like the actual physical loss of somebody or maybe a loss of a relationship. This is the most uncreative thing to say, but the whole idea of like, once you release a song, it's not yours anymore.
Speaker 1:People can always turn it into whatever their narrative is, and also, maybe not everyone in the world can relate to that specific thing. Things that happen to you through that experience that you relate through song is something that I think people can understand. So it's always just good to follow your heart and write what's on your mind. I don't think you can ever lose doing that, and I think you do a great job at that, my man.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I really do. Thank you, let's go to the internet here. A couple of questions from the web. Okay, uh, dear Jeremy, what do you think will come first? World peace or higher streaming royalties for musicians? Oh my God, musicians, oh my god. So okay, so we're gonna put, we're gonna. Let's put the. The middle east, obviously. We got ukraine, we got whatever's happening in the united states. We got china versus. We got spotify. Yeah, it's spotify, apple music. What comes first world peace or respectable streaming royalties?
Speaker 2:it's probably world peace you know what I'm saying like, and I and I hope it is I'll take world peace over over streaming royalties. Fuck man, but man, but yeah, that's a debilitating question. It's a tough one. It's a debilitating question. It's a tough one. It's a tough one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how about this one? What's up Jeremy? What's up from Australia we? Got a lot of love from Australia, so shout out Australia. What is your favorite Australian band?
Speaker 2:Royal Headache, oh yeah oh yeah, fucking hell man. What a band. What a band. Yeah, I love royal headache so much. I only got to see him one time. Unbelievable band, but yeah, I I think they're unbelievably cool. They just put out like a. They just released like a live record. That's, that's really, really great. One of my favorite front men of all time, like most soulful voice ever. Just yeah, I love royal headache awesome, man, awesome, uh.
Speaker 1:So we got some pickums here. So, okay, we got a couple. I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw some things at you. You tell me which one you like better. Okay, let's start with some bands here quicksand or thursday thursday j Lizard or Dillinger Escape Plan.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go, I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say Dillinger Escape Plan, just because Calculating Infinity was like a record that I truly wore out, so like that record in particular can kind of like own the entire band for me. So I'll say Dillinger.
Speaker 1:Awesome, sonic Youth or Pavement.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, clayton, I'm going to say I yeah awesome sonic youth or pavement. Oh sorry, clayton, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say I'm gonna say I'm gonna say pavement nice uh minor threat or fugazi oh, I'm gonna say minor threat only because it's like it's a perfect discography, whereas, like, fugazi has a lot of records and there's and there's songs on some of those records I'm less interested in.
Speaker 1:So I think really you're going minor threat over fugazi.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go minor threat over fugazi just because there's no, there's no throwout tracks with minor threat all right, I got that debbie harry or patty smith I'm gonna go patty smith just because because I truly enjoy like a straight up weirdo you know what I'm saying. Like like Debbie Harry is fucking amazing in so many ways, so many ways, but but Patti Smith was like a true and true, like out there, out there artist and I think that's sick.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice. What about some current bands? What about speed or drain?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go speed because I really, really, really love jim, the singer of that band, and and have toured with with him and his previous band and I I love it and also I'm, on on their behalf, annoyed at anyone who feels weird about his flute thing. I think it's fucking sick as hell. I think it's sick as hell he's.
Speaker 1:I think it's fucking sick as hell.
Speaker 2:I think it's sick as hell. He's playing flute on stage.
Speaker 1:It's sick as hell. Innovation. I don't think anybody saw the flute coming. I don't think anybody saw the flute coming. The first time I saw the flute clip I was like fucking I'll take it, I'll take it. You know what?
Speaker 2:Give me something new in the genre. You know what I'm saying Like give me something that someone's doing differently. I don't care what it is. Jonathan Davis had bagpipes. Speed got flute. Let's go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, I'm feeling this one might be tough for you, joyce, manor or Drug Church.
Speaker 2:That's tough, because those are friends. You're throwing the friends at me. Oh boy, I'm going to go drug church. Sorry, sorry, joyce, manor, I'm going to go drug church. They make me laugh more. I'm going to say that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nine-inch nails or rage against the machine. Nine-inch nails, cro-mags or turnstile.
Speaker 2:Turnstile.
Speaker 1:Ooh nice, I like that. Let's go. Labels real quick, let's go. Death wish or revelation, death wish epitaph or fat epitaph, matador, sub, pop, sub pop, all right, what about sst or discord, discord, nice, nice, all right, let's then. What about? What about?
Speaker 2:leonard cohen or john prine. Leonard cohen, I mean I, I love john prine. I love john prine, but I am, I will fucking no, leonard cohen is my guy. Converge or?
Speaker 1:Oasis Converge.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I just got to see Liam in Manchester.
Speaker 1:Literally.
Speaker 2:And it was fucking amazing. But you know what? Oasis never made me mosh.
Speaker 1:There you go, speaking of slam dance or stage dive, stage dive, nice Stallone or Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger Books or movies, movies, black Flag or the Circle Jerks.
Speaker 2:Black Flag.
Speaker 1:Ramones or the Clash Ramones. Terror or Agnostic Front Terror. Nice, hell, yeah, awesome. La, awesome, yeah, absolutely Okay, almost done here, appreciate your time. A couple of hypotheticals for you. Okay, time machine, bill and Ted style. Okay, time machine comes down, door swings open. Someone awesome is in there. Leonard Cohen's in there. He's like Jeremy, get in. Okay, anywhere you can go in the world, world anywhere in history. Where's the first place you're going and why?
Speaker 2:okay, so you were nice enough to send me this question ahead of time, so now I'm thinking. Right, it's an incredibly hard question, but I'm being a music fan, I got two. I got two things that I came up with and I know that's cheating because I'm giving you two, but experiencing the Greenwich Village era in New York City in the 1960s Ooh Getting to see like Bob.
Speaker 2:Dylan and Phil Oakes and Dave Enronk and all these people in these like little cafes in that era Probably pretty fucking amazing. And just to experience what that felt like in that time Music was so alive, experience what that felt like in that time music was so alive, uh or or other answer in the mid 80s, the revolution, summer era, discord records, washington dc to be able to see bands like fucking right to spring and embrace and like all of that sort of stuff when that was all happening also would be pretty fucking cool so those are my two answers, but it's tough to say which one.
Speaker 2:I would want more I kind of. I love I think I romanticize the idea of New York in general. So I think, like I think I'm going to go New York City, greenwich Village era like protesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. I like it. What about you get home? You pop open a beverage. Leonard Cohen comes out of the bottle, okay, and he says, jeremy, I'm going to grant you one wish. Okay, you have one wish. Could be anything, whatever the hell you want, could be selfish, it could be diplomatic, it could be anything under the sun. What's your one wish?
Speaker 2:Anything under the sun. What's your one wish it's hard for me not to make this heavy, but I would love a cure for cancer. Yes, hell, yeah, yeah, that's an amazing wish. Yeah, that's the one Too many people in all of our lives affected by it?
Speaker 1:Absolutely, man. That's what I'm talking about. That's a one Like too many people in all of our lives affected by it? Absolutely, man. That's what I'm talking about. That's a great wish, Cool man. I just want to kind of touch base on a lot of the other stuff that you got going on in your life. You've got a record label. You've got a podcast the first ever podcast you've been doing now for a couple of years Really awesome, Like we've been talking about. I just did it with you and I know that'll be coming out soon. Between the podcast, the record label, how do you kind of how do you divide your time nowadays between everything you got going on?
Speaker 2:That's a fucking great question, man. I know you know what it's like to have to wake up and be like which thing do I tackle first today For me? I wonder how you feel about this, too, because I know you've been doing this show for a while now, where, like, the podcast for me is very important because it does keep me on a schedule. It's nice to have something to be accountable to. It's where I'm like I have to do this every single week, like I have. Like I have to do this every single week Like I have to, you know, because now there's more on the line. I have sponsors I got to show up to. That sort of stuff helps pay my rent, so, like I need to get it done. There's nice people who I have who subscribe to my Patreon. I need to show up for them too. So that's like another thing that I need to like put focus on, but it makes me me. It's very gratifying to do, and I love talking to people like you. Like it's nice to like have these conversations. That's that's that's like always at the forefront, but then, like band stuff is constant.
Speaker 2:I also yeah, I do a label called secret voice. That used to not be that active. I used to put out like maybe one record every two years, two, two records every year, so like it was never on. It kind of made it like a less is more sort of a thing where I was like damn, he's putting out something, like he's got to really believe in this. But these last few years are like the last two years it's the most I've put out like kind of in a row, so that's been pretty crazy.
Speaker 2:So the labels is subsidiary of death wish, so they're the nice shit happen for me. So they came to me and were like, let's like, let's do more, let's do more, we will help you do more. Yeah, so because of that now it's like I just fucking. I got a band called so nagi that's about to drop, the band called blind girls. By the time this comes out, that record will be out. I did a band called heavenly blue band called infant island, like all these fucking amazing like kind of like screamo, screamo adjacent bands that are that are just mind blowing. So yeah, it's that also keeps me pretty, pretty busy. But we got new Touche Mori album stuff on the horizon so that's going to pretty much swallow my entire life for the rest of the year. So I got to make the other stuff also.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we appreciate everything you do, man. I know it's a labor of love. The podcast is something that you care about. The label is obviously something you care about. Both are highly demanding and the public gets to reap the rewards of your love for music. So we appreciate that. And just wrapping things up here, you mentioned something new from Touche amore. Coming down the pipeline, you guys been teasing some stuff on your socials. What's the rest of the year looking like for you?
Speaker 2:yeah, we'll have a new song out soon, uh, and then awesome. Yeah, uh, like new album by the end of the year and then a whole lot of touring a whole lot of touring, yeah, man, so that's exciting that's all. It's all it's all happening.
Speaker 2:It's taken us four years to do this record, so not to eat up more of your time here, but I wonder how you like we were very strong about like we don't want to make a new record until we feel we've exhausted the last one, and obviously we had to wait a little while to get that one started to be played live and all of that. So we're like we need to, because you I look, I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, but I feel like you need to learn everything you possibly can from your last record before you make a new one.
Speaker 1:So that's what we felt we had to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it finally. It felt like it was time, and very, very, very happy with what we've made.
Speaker 1:That's awesome man. I can't wait to hear it. I know there's a lot of people who can't wait to hear it super stoked. Jeremy Bohm, thank you so much for your time here on the say the Jerry podcast. My man really appreciate having you on, really appreciate your time. It's been awesome talking to you last question here. Yeah, yeah, man, it's been, it's been fucking great. Last question here what to you, is the meaning of life?
Speaker 2:OK, follow me down this rabbit hole, because it's not a one word answer.
Speaker 2:Help me, help me figure out how to how to correctly say this, matt the moments when you lose yourself with a friend, right like the moments when you lose yourself with a friend, right like the moments when you're laughing the hardest and all of a sudden it's just like that, that pure moment of being free, being like outside of yourself, right like when, all of a sudden, the worries dissipate, the fears dissipate, the stress dissipates and you're just like in a moment with someone that it might be a stranger that you just had this conversation with, or it might be someone you've known your entire life, might be the love of your life, it might be a parent, whatever it might be, but the times when you have a deep connection with someone in a whether, how short, whether how fleeting the moment might be, but that time to me is like the essence of what life is. So that's, that's my answer, and I don't know if there's like a specific way to phrase that, but that's the best I got yeah, man, that's beautiful, it's just it's.
Speaker 1:It's all about being alive, man. It's about those moments where you truly feel alive. Whether it's a brief interaction with a stranger on the street, or hanging out with your friends, or going to a show, or writing an album, or sitting on the couch with your significant other Anytime you feel genuine connection. I feel like that's what life is all about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I think it's when you find a genuine connection with someone, whether it be a stranger or somebody you know in your whole life, but getting lost, where you just don't feel anything other than just that moment, that's life Hell yeah, Awesome man.
Speaker 1:Well, Jeremy, thank you so much for your time. My man Really appreciate you, it's my pleasure, Super, super excited for everything you got coming down the pipeline. Thanks for your time here on the podcast and we'll talk to you soon.