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Speaker 1: Project Geekology at
your service.

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We'll take on any episode for
the right price, and that is a

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quote, a direct quote from Cad
Bane.

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Not really, but I am one half
of your host, anthony.

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Oh, this is episode 120 and we
are covering Tales of the

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Underworld Star Wars, and
joining me, as always, is Dakota

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, and actually you're one third
of the Underworld Star Wars and

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joining me as always is Dakota,
and actually you're one-third of

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the regular hosts on Project
Ecology now, because we've had

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Rich on for probably what 20
episodes?

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at this point you are right.

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I am just so conditioned to say
that You're conditioned.

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Speaker 2: It's been years of
that and now you've got to

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change.

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Life is all about change, buddy
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Speaker 3: Rich, how you been
Pretty good.

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You know, buddy, rich, how you
been Pretty good Just working

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hard, excited to be here Just
working for other people's

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sunrises.

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That's what I've been doing
lately.

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Ah, a little Andor reference,
yeah, one that I'll never see,

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but yeah, obviously, watching
the end of Andor, loving that,

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just absolutely really enjoying
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As I said last time, I just
going it.

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It makes it makes season one
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Speaker 2: I just really, I
really think so I think we need

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to like briefly touch on and or
season two, now that it's

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concluded, even before we talk
about like what, what else we've

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been up to for the, you know,
over the past week?

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Anthony, are you caught up?

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Speaker 1: no, I still have like
a few more episodes that I've

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got to cover, but I don't want
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about Endor, because we are
going to cover it at some point.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I do agree with
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It's currently the best show on
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the best, if not best, ever
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So it's the first live-action
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a row on IMDb that are rated 9.5
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It's the first show ever live
action anyway to get that feat.

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So it's episodes eight through
12 are all 9.5 to like 9.8.

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And it's like I've never seen a
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this I'm so, so excited and
like sad that it's gone and

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we're not gone, but it's over.

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But yeah, I, I can't wait to
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because that is literally.

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I don't think we're ever gonna
get anything like that again.

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It's like just lighting in a
bottle and I hope you know, I do

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hope that they take lessons
from the reception of andor.

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Like it's good.

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Everyone considers it's good,
you know.

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Like it's like this is what we
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but if everything's written this
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everything's produced this way,
you got a recipe for success for

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the next 10, 20 years.

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Speaker 3: So there were a
number of things that occurred

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in the show that I knew were
gonna have to happen, right,

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just because I've watched the
other stuff, you know, and I

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still found myself like on the
on the literal edge of my seat,

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like I know people say that,
right, but I'm on my couch and

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I'm watching Andor and I'm on
the actual edge of my couch like

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chewing my fingers with the
screen Because I tend to watch

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it on my iPad a lot in front of
me, so like three inches from my

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face, like biting my nails,
like crazy.

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It just was riveting, riveting
television.

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And what I think I appreciate
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with you know, superhero stuff
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really question what's going to
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it's.

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You know, like when Infinity
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Was it Infinity War or Endgame?

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Infinity War is the first one,
right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When Infinity War
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everyone Sorry, spoiler alert If
you haven't seen that, that's

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on you when he snaps everyone
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theater and I was just like my
guys cheer up.

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This is part one, baby.

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Like you know, like this is not
, this is not how it ends.

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You know, wait, they lose the
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The the good guys lose I was.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 3: You know, as much as
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by many deaths.

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I don't think we got to see the
impact, a lot of it, but I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's something
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something that's under the kind
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fantasy genre, kind of going on
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they've created like riveting
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lightsabers, you know well, well
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infinity war, is that they kind
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completely and who was going to
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only knew, you know there was
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that you know, andor and mon
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gonna live on yeah, it's one of
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difficult to you know watch
because you know that there's

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only like a couple characters
who have plot armor and there

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really isn't like a lot of plot
armor, because we know cassian

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andor does not survive the you
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Speaker 2: So it's like we're
watching this guy like walk

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towards his doom.

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But it's also it's just
brilliantly written.

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It's.

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It's so good we we got to talk
about it soon.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to get on
to andor, season two yeah, man,

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you know, maybe in two years
I'm gonna kill you.

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Dude, look how long it took for
us to cover the first season

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yes, and that was a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, no,
it wasn't a mistake, because now

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we have rich and, you know, we
have some extra commentary that

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we didn't have last time, so
it's okay, well, I mean, you

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know, if it you know extra
commentary being you know, met

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Mets lore that's somehow
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universe.

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I'm sure there will be no Mets
lore today.

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There's nothing more that we
need to know about the Mets Rich

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is like just like biting his
tongue right now.

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Speaker 3: Just keep going, guys
, yeah so, Andor, Andor, Andor,

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Speaker 2: So I still think the
third arc, the one that dropped

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last week, which was episode
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strongest week and it was a
little bit of a dip in quality

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this week because it's a tie-in
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You know, like everything's
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spark Rogue One, the events that
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So it's even more bottlenecked
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because we know now's the time,
this is it.

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It's one BB wide.

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Everything's going to come to a
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But what they were able to
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on Gorman and Mon's speech crazy
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We'll talk about it soon.

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But yeah, Rich andor, so I'm
gonna shoot it over to anthony.

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What have you been up to this
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Speaker 1: man, I've been
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anime tear.

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I've been watching, just kind
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things or like kind of or.

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Or I re-watched the last season
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that movie that's coming out
soon and I've been watching.

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I've been watching that and it
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like season one of of my hero
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Yeah, yeah, because like all
might is like pretty much like

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in full swing and yeah, it's
pretty cool, like seeing these.

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You know, these are like
characters that have, you know,

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abilities that might not seem as
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just like it's like slip and
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One has like a jump ability and
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like a freelance j-pop idol that
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and the other one's like an
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He has like no quirk at all but
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He fights one of the heroes
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thought he was being a villain
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strength yeah, yeah, when he
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using a quirk and he was just
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whoa, yeah, yeah, pretty much.

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So I've been watching tales of
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I didn't watch it fully twice,
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first arc twice because of me
catching it, like you know, in

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that pre-release and fortnite.

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But, yeah, man, nothing too
insane for me this week.

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How about y'all?

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How about you rich?

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Speaker 3: let's shoot it over
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pull the trigger and get a blue
vineyard remastered.

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I've just been seeing so much
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It's on my youtube.

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You know.

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I accidentally watched one
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avalanche and I kept watching
it's an accident, I promise yeah

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I think I want to get back into
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I really love the world of
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even the ps5 version and I just
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The visuals are a little too
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You know, every time I play it
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red dead or something because of
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from oblivion is great, and I
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want to buy it and it's kind of
weird, but it was a clip of

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somebody said they've remastered
the audio, right, so they had

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people like literally they
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recast some people to read the
parts and they still kept some

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of the original dialogue where,
like this, one lady's talking

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about what about, like patrick
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back in the well, no, no no,
they didn't get him back, but,

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like some of the side people,
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who's like she's like how much
do what's the fine for

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necrophilia here?

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and then she goes oh, that's it.

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In morrowind it was like 500
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wow.

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And then there's one where he
you know where a bounty hunter

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basically says oh yeah, no.

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So I walked into the party and
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So it's part of the job and
it's just like nowadays you

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probably wouldn't find that kind
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kind of love that they've redid
it and still like, still stood

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firm.

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Speaker 2: So okay, that's cool.

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Yeah, that's that's pretty.

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That clip might lead me to buy
the entire game I have fond

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memories of playing oblivion
over like the summer breaks of

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school, and my favorite thing
about that game is that you

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could just spam certain actions
jumping you can keep jumping and

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you'll keep getting better at
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Yes, your jumps will get higher
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You're, you're, I think it's
called acrobatics yes yes, is

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you're you can bring your
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where you can jump over like
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almost jump over buildings, and
it's, it's, it's insane, my

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friend frank.

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Speaker 3: I remember the first
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He's just hopping all the time.

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I guess he's moving through and
I'm like, what are you doing?

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He's like I'm raising my
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Man, never waste any motion.

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I was like that's a little
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And then I, two weeks later,
I'm doing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing and it
totally breaks the game because

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you know, then you can do the
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attacking and just like
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continuously like progresses
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like 99 is the highest level.

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Yeah, I don't think it gets 100
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oblivion.

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What else have you been up to?

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Speaker 3: just I'm in the
middle of a kind of hectic week

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at work where I get paid to be
silent to 17 consecutive days of

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Rich Laconi being asked to just
not talk and watch kids test.

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So it's not the most fun.

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earlier, sometimes you just find

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the time to maybe multitask and
listen to something while

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you're supposed to be doing
something else.

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So I will not confirm nor deny
listening to anything while I

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was proctoring, but Tales of the
Underworld was watched three

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times.

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I'm not sure if you would call
that a coincidence.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting
coincidence.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I will call that
a coincidence, thank you.

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In case the International
Baccalaureate is listening, I

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just want to be clear.

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There's not an admission of
guilt no, of course not.

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It just two things happen to be
true separately so what have

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you been up to down in dakota?

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Speaker 2: a lot of work like
actual work, boring old work.

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I did listen and or watch the
tales of the underworld a second

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time while I was at work.

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This is an admission to guilt
and I doubt anyone from my job

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is ever going to hear this, so
but anyway, no, I was just.

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I was.

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I'm an electrician.

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I was working on outlets for
hours, so I just, you know, plop

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my phone down on the ground,
click, play and start splicing

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wires together.

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That that's all I do.

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It was fun, you know, getting
bite-sized Star Wars while I was

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at work, so that's been good.

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Usually I like to listen to
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podcasts, but yeah, oh, a fun
thing that I was doing this week

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is I don't usually make
playlists.

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That's not something that I'm
big on, but like music playlists

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I don't usually do, because I
like listening to albums in

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their full.

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the habit of listening to like

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Apple Music's recommended
playlists based on you know just

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what I'm into, or like what is
currently downloaded onto my

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phone.

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And it's sometimes really
annoying because I know that I

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listen to like film soundtracks
occasionally, but when I'm

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listening to like music, music
or like an artist that I'm

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really into, or whatever, and
then it like cuts to John

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Williams or Howard Shore or any
of those you know excellent

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composers.

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It's a total vibe shift and I'm
just like I wish Apple Music

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had an option where I could just
say no more film scores, no

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more Disney movie soundtracks.

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I don't want that when I'm
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Speaker 3: No, I got it In my
head.

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You're listening to getting
jiggy with it, right, and you're

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just like na na, na, na, na na.

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Speaker 2: And then suddenly,
like Star Wars themes hits and

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you're like man, man, there goes
my whole vibe yeah, so but

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anyway, I have kind of like
worked my algorithm a little bit

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so that it doesn't happen too
often anymore.

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But I've been thinking about
like music in general recently

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and like why certain songs like
resonate with me and when and

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others don't.

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And one thing that I've found
is that I really like longer

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songs.

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I always find that if there's a
song that's like two or three

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minutes, four minutes, that I
really like longer songs, I

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always find that if there's a
song that's like two or three

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minutes, four minutes, that I
really like, I always get a

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little disappointed because it's
over too soon, you know.

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So I started creating a
playlist called Songs that

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Transcend the Six Minute Divide,
and it's specifically songs

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that I like or songs that fit my
vibe or mood, but they have to

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be over six minutes, and I've
got about 20 songs in the

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playlist now just based on, like
, my listening habits and I'm

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just I'm not like looking for
the songs, but you know, like if

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they pop up on my recommended
music, I'm like, hmm, maybe I'll

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add this one.

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So I've been working on that,
so it's a pretty fun playlist.

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And right now it's mostly like
very moody and brooding, but

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that's kind of me.

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But anyway, what else I've been
up to?

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I've been doing a lot of
writing.

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Last time I think I was saying
that I was writing the avatar

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kurok era.

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I'm done with the avatar kurok
era.

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I'm well into avatar kiyoshi
and like I'm really picking up

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speed on that and I'm really
excited because, you know, once

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I get past Kyoshi and Roku, then
I'm I can talk about the shows,

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I can talk about the Last
Airbender and, you know, legend

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of Korra, then I'll truly be in,
like the modern eras of the

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Avatarverse and I can finally
hone in on that.

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So I'm excited about that.

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My video is very long.

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I think I'm nearing 20 000
words and I'm still in the

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kyoshi era.

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So I do expect this to be a
multi-hour documentary style

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thing, but it's a product that
I'm really excited about.

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So yeah, that's what I'm
working on right now are you

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gonna?

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Speaker 1: is that gonna be like
a one video type thing, or are

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you going to do it like in?

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Are you going to split it up?

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Speaker 2: so I wrote, I made a
video a couple months ago where

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I I broke down how many avatars
there have been and I calculated

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, based on quotes from the
creators and stuff, that korra

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is the 99th avatar and the
avatar after korra will be the

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100th.

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That is actually mostly taken
from this video that I'm working

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on right now.

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So that's a portion of the
video that I'm working on, like

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my actual timeline.

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I took a chunk of that out and
I made a separate video.

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But once I'm done writing the
script and recording, I'm

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thinking that as I go through my
edit I'll release chunks of it.

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So you know, era of rava and
juan, then like some of the like

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mystery eras, because there's
like 7 000, 8 000 years worth of

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stuff that we don't fully know
about.

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But I have a lot of like
history that I've kind of

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planted in there so I can make a
whole video about that.

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I can do some a video about like
the lesser avatars, like gun

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salai and zito.

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Then I can do a whole episode
on, or a whole video on, yang

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chan.

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I could do a whole video on
kiyoshi and roku and maybe even

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correct.

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So I I have I think I'm going
to release it in parts but also

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have a full video that you can
go like if.

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If you don't want to watch it
in like chunks, you can just

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watch it straight through,
basically so that's kind of what

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I'm hoping to do I think you
should do it like ironheart.

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Speaker 3: You know, just drop
half the season in one day, and

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then half the season the next
week, and you know is that what

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they're doing?

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Speaker 1: yeah?

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Speaker 3: apparently they're.

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Speaker 2: They're just gonna
drop it in like two chunks I

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mean it's hard to say that, like
especially after andor, where

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they were releasing three
episodes a week, which is a lot

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of content, like that's a movie
length's worth of content every

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week.

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It's hard to say that that
doesn't bode well for Ironheart,

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because a lot of times when
they release a show in its

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entirety, it's usually a sign
that they don't expect it to

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have much leg.

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Okay, so chucking's a little
have much leg.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so
chucking's a little bit better,

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all right Fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Andor was
different in the sense that each

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week was supposed to be its own
movie, basically.

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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 1: You know they're
releasing arcs.

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Essentially, that's exactly it.

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Yeah, they're releasing arcs.

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Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think
that's all I've been up to.

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I'm gonna say that's all I've
been up to.

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Let's jump into tales of the
underworld people are you sure

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it's not the underground?

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I.

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I keep off camera saying we're
covering tales of the

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underground or tales from the
underground, and it sounds like

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Underground and it sounds like a
hip-hop album from the 90s.

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Yep, Tales from the Underground
.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it
was.

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But yeah.

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So in past years, specifically
every May 4th for the past three

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years, Lucasfilm has released a
new series of short form videos

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or short form stories.

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Two years ago, on May 4th 2023,
they released Tales of the Jedi

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, which featured three episodes
of Ahsoka Tano and three

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episodes of Dooku Sereno, and I
really love that one.

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I still think that's the best
of these episode drops.

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Then, the year after May 4th
2024, they released Tales of the

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Empire, which it featured oh
man, I forget the girl's name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Barriss.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was
Barriss Offee.

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She had three episodes that
take place post-Order 66.

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And we also got I think her
name is Morgan.

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I forget the other girl's name.

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Oh man, it's killing me the
girl from Season 2 of

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Mandalorian who ran that town
and Ahsoka had to fight.

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Speaker 1: I forget her name, oh
yeah, are you talking about

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Bo-Katan?

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Forget her name.

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Speaker 3: oh yeah are you
talking about boca tan?

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Yeah, no, no I know who you're
talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're
right, dakota the witch like

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the one who yeah she's.

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Speaker 2: She's related to like
house and then yeah which

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sisters?

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Speaker 1: yeah, I don't know
why, I'm like, was it like

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morgan?

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Speaker 2: no, no, you're right?

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Speaker 1: no, you had it right
was it morgan?

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Speaker 2: yeah, okay, yeah, all
right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's
supposed to be almost like a

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morgan lefay reference from the
arthurian tales that's what you.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned morgan
lefay and I was just like, yeah,

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that sounds right, but it's I
think it's a little different

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than that, but yeah, it's
definitely based on that.

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That was last year's six
episodes the barisoffi and

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morgan and now this year we have
three episodes of asajj

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ventress and three episodes of
cad bane.

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Really quickly, how do you guys
rank tales of the jedi, tales

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of the empire and tales of the
underworld under not underground

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underworld?

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Speaker 3: I think I go jedi
underworld dead empire yeah, I

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go with that ranking too I like
okay I like dooku too, like I

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love dooku so much, you know,
and in some ways almost I think

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that's why I love this one so
much, because I definitely feel

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way more attached, like to asajj
ventress at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I'm a
little different from you guys.

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I would choose Jedi, empire and
Underworld, underworld being

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the last for me.

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I have some criticisms that I
you know I'm going to explore

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later.

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But for me the reason I choose
Jedi first is because Tales of

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the Jedi were completely
separate stories.

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They were short stories that
didn't really tie into one

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another, you know, besides, like
the thematic arc of one's life.

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That's kind of how that series
went.

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Then the Barriss Offee stories
in Tales of the Empire were a

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little bit more streamlined,
same with Morgan's.

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It was a three episode story
instead of three separate

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stories, if you know what I mean
.

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So it was no longer really
tales.

456
00:22:12,068 --> 00:22:16,325
It was a tale of barris and a
tale of this girl.

457
00:22:16,325 --> 00:22:21,559
And this one, I think, like the
asajj ventress one is probably

458
00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:25,410
like the most egregious where
it's just like three very

459
00:22:25,589 --> 00:22:26,621
consecutive, like they.

460
00:22:26,621 --> 00:22:29,413
They take place days apart each
of the three asajj ventress

461
00:22:29,432 --> 00:22:29,713
stories.

462
00:22:29,713 --> 00:22:32,323
And that really bothered me
because it's no longer the same

463
00:22:32,403 --> 00:22:36,981
format that they were trying to
do in the first place and I mean

464
00:22:36,981 --> 00:22:38,767
maybe they were never planning
to stick to that format.

465
00:22:38,767 --> 00:22:41,082
I don't know, maybe I'm being
too critical there, but that

466
00:22:41,122 --> 00:22:43,846
really bothered me because I
want variation, you know, I want

467
00:22:43,846 --> 00:22:46,009
to see different points of this
person's life.

468
00:22:46,009 --> 00:22:48,734
It seems clear to me they just
wanted to tell a specific story

469
00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:52,325
yeah, yeah, see, see, I get that
.

470
00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:58,334
Speaker 1: I think the reason
why I place underworld second is

471
00:22:58,334 --> 00:23:01,963
because, like when cad bane
rolls around, that was

472
00:23:02,044 --> 00:23:05,127
definitely the strongest
storyline and, to be honest with

473
00:23:05,127 --> 00:23:08,932
you, I felt like that storyline
was stronger than both the

474
00:23:08,972 --> 00:23:10,474
Barriss and the Morgan ones.

475
00:23:11,276 --> 00:23:15,671
You're right and so I would say
that that's what carried,

476
00:23:16,299 --> 00:23:20,462
because I definitely agree with
you with the Asajj one.

477
00:23:20,462 --> 00:23:24,289
I mean it was cool seeing Asajj
, you know, in her like kind of

478
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:27,179
gray jedi, kind of like form.

479
00:23:27,179 --> 00:23:30,346
She's obviously not, like you
know, trying to go straight

480
00:23:30,386 --> 00:23:34,516
towards the life of a jedi, but
she has that desire to help a

481
00:23:34,576 --> 00:23:36,746
little bit, just in her own way.

482
00:23:36,746 --> 00:23:41,255
So it was cool seeing that in
the way that they tied in dark

483
00:23:41,295 --> 00:23:45,008
disciple with it, which was I
thought that was really cool.

484
00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:48,938
But man like that cad bane one
was so good.

485
00:23:49,626 --> 00:23:53,817
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the
cad bane side of that show yeah,

486
00:23:53,817 --> 00:23:57,468
which which of these two arcs
did you more resonate with rich?

487
00:23:58,049 --> 00:23:58,351
Speaker 3: hmm.

488
00:23:58,351 --> 00:24:01,599
So before I heard you say
anything, I was gonna go with

489
00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:02,442
asajj ventress.

490
00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:06,711
I just really like her
character, it I don't know how

491
00:24:06,730 --> 00:24:08,634
to put it when she comes on
screen.

492
00:24:08,634 --> 00:24:10,858
When she came on I was like, oh
, I was like a Sash.

493
00:24:10,858 --> 00:24:15,055
You know, I feel I know her a
little bit more than I know Cad

494
00:24:15,096 --> 00:24:15,415
Bane.

495
00:24:16,265 --> 00:24:19,214
I did like seeing obviously Cad
Bane in live action and

496
00:24:19,255 --> 00:24:22,873
everything, but I don't know,
for me I think it's just I

497
00:24:22,932 --> 00:24:24,136
really like Dark Disciple.

498
00:24:24,136 --> 00:24:30,648
So seeing that kind of played
out here was anthony said was

499
00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:31,290
definitely a treat for me.

500
00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:31,792
And yeah, I mean.

501
00:24:31,792 --> 00:24:35,383
But then you know, you do say
that this is only like one, like

502
00:24:35,383 --> 00:24:39,038
three day arc in her life and
I'm like man, I didn't think

503
00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:39,781
about it until now.

504
00:24:39,781 --> 00:24:40,886
I'm like, yeah, you're right, I
kind of.

505
00:24:40,886 --> 00:24:44,702
I kind of wish it was a little
spread apart in her life and we

506
00:24:44,742 --> 00:24:48,282
would have seen a little bit of
different kind of moments of her

507
00:24:48,282 --> 00:24:53,193
, maybe you know, somewhere with
dathomir or something or I

508
00:24:53,213 --> 00:24:56,048
don't know, just just a little
bit of a break.

509
00:24:56,048 --> 00:24:59,342
But I think a part of the issue
with that is a lot of her stuff

510
00:24:59,342 --> 00:25:00,885
was covered in.

511
00:25:00,885 --> 00:25:03,309
I'm gonna say the wrong one.

512
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:09,679
But rebels, no clone wars yeah,
I knew I was gonna guess I was

513
00:25:09,699 --> 00:25:12,830
gonna say the wrong one, because
they're all a 50 50 show I

514
00:25:12,871 --> 00:25:15,237
watch, unless you're also
throwing bad batch into the the

515
00:25:15,277 --> 00:25:17,170
scene and then oh, there you go
technically she does show up in

516
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:18,253
bad yeah, I watched.

517
00:25:18,294 --> 00:25:21,431
You know I kind of binged all
the whole like I had kind of

518
00:25:21,471 --> 00:25:24,077
ignored the star wars cartoons
for a while.

519
00:25:24,077 --> 00:25:28,276
I'll say animation, sorry, and
I don't know why I was really

520
00:25:28,336 --> 00:25:29,886
resistant to any of I.

521
00:25:29,886 --> 00:25:34,016
I kept putting them on and like
I even tried with charlie and I

522
00:25:34,016 --> 00:25:35,018
, it wouldn't stick.

523
00:25:35,018 --> 00:25:38,538
I'd watch three episodes and
then I would be like I don't

524
00:25:38,618 --> 00:25:40,987
even know what happened there, I
don't know why, and it kept

525
00:25:41,067 --> 00:25:42,750
happening until bad batch came
out.

526
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:46,028
And then, once bad batch came
out, I was able to kind of go

527
00:25:46,067 --> 00:25:48,520
through that and I really liked
it and then I went back and

528
00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:49,365
watched everything together.

529
00:25:49,365 --> 00:25:53,575
So I really like Asajj in the
animation that I've seen before.

530
00:25:54,195 --> 00:25:54,717
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah.

531
00:25:54,717 --> 00:25:57,652
Yeah, did I hear that correctly
that you have also read Dark

532
00:25:57,672 --> 00:25:58,053
Disciple?

533
00:25:58,413 --> 00:25:58,574
Speaker 3: Yes.

534
00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:01,051
Speaker 2: All right, so that's
pretty cool.

535
00:26:01,051 --> 00:26:04,568
We got three panelists who have
all read Dark Disciple.

536
00:26:04,568 --> 00:26:05,289
I think that might.

537
00:26:05,289 --> 00:26:08,273
No, I think we've also all read
Light of the Jedi.

538
00:26:08,314 --> 00:26:08,493
Speaker 3: Yes.

539
00:26:08,954 --> 00:26:09,976
Speaker 2: Which yeah?

540
00:26:10,497 --> 00:26:12,859
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we did
an episode on that one.

541
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,089
Speaker 2: We did an episode on
that one, but this is probably

542
00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:17,545
the closest we'll come to a Dark
Disciple-esque episode.

543
00:26:17,545 --> 00:26:20,442
So for those of you who are
listening and have not read the

544
00:26:20,482 --> 00:26:36,056
book or don't know what we're
talking about, it's six of the

545
00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:38,141
clone wars, you know like they.

546
00:26:38,141 --> 00:26:41,249
Season seven was canceled
briefly before it was picked up

547
00:26:41,288 --> 00:26:44,696
later but one of the story arcs
was an eight episode story arc

548
00:26:44,744 --> 00:26:47,249
written by katie lucas, which is
george luc Lucas's daughter,

549
00:26:47,769 --> 00:26:50,934
and it was called Dark Disciple
and it was a story of Asajj

550
00:26:50,974 --> 00:26:56,148
Ventress and Quinlan Vos falling
in love and she it kind of it's

551
00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:59,516
like her break away from Dooku
and turning to the light side

552
00:27:00,157 --> 00:27:03,509
and it's a beautiful story and
it was after it was cancelled

553
00:27:03,569 --> 00:27:07,175
because they cancelled season
seven, christy golden wrote it

554
00:27:07,215 --> 00:27:11,092
into a novel form and it is like
totally canon it's.

555
00:27:11,092 --> 00:27:12,657
It's extremely strong.

556
00:27:12,657 --> 00:27:16,229
It's one of the stronger books
in the in the canon and it's

557
00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:16,750
really sad.

558
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:19,655
Like I remember where I was,
where I was, the first time I

559
00:27:19,676 --> 00:27:20,317
was listening to it.

560
00:27:20,365 --> 00:27:24,414
I was, I was like I was working
on cars, I was detailing cars at

561
00:27:24,414 --> 00:27:26,530
the time and I was on some like
used car lot, like in a range

562
00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:27,921
rover dealership, and I was on
some like used car lot, like in

563
00:27:27,961 --> 00:27:31,719
a Range Rover dealership and I
just remember, like you know,

564
00:27:31,739 --> 00:27:33,625
because it was like winter,
there was like snow everywhere

565
00:27:33,645 --> 00:27:36,912
and I was just like I was like I
fell onto the snow.

566
00:27:36,912 --> 00:27:42,125
I was like, no, I was, I was
tearing up in the Range Rover

567
00:27:42,145 --> 00:27:42,626
parking lot.

568
00:27:42,626 --> 00:27:44,587
Yeah, that was, that was a fun
time.

569
00:27:44,587 --> 00:27:49,353
But this episode, the first
episode with Asajj Ventress,

570
00:27:49,853 --> 00:27:52,174
begins at the end of that novel.

571
00:27:52,174 --> 00:27:55,618
So, spoiler alert Asajj
Ventress dies in that Quinlan

572
00:27:55,638 --> 00:27:59,122
Vos and Obi-Wan Kenobi bring her
back to Dathomir, put her in,

573
00:27:59,642 --> 00:28:02,424
you know, some green goo, some
green liquid.

574
00:28:02,944 --> 00:28:05,287
Speaker 1: They put her in the
Lazarus pit, you know.

575
00:28:05,928 --> 00:28:07,528
Speaker 2: They put her in the
Lazarus pit, you know, they put

576
00:28:07,548 --> 00:28:08,069
her in the Lazarus pit.

577
00:28:08,069 --> 00:28:10,751
It's the same place that they
dropped Imhotep in the Mummy,

578
00:28:11,392 --> 00:28:12,113
right before he goes.

579
00:28:12,113 --> 00:28:15,816
Death is only the beginning,
and, yeah, so that's where this

580
00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:16,497
episode starts.

581
00:28:16,497 --> 00:28:19,259
We have Mother Talzin basically
giving her an ultimatum.

582
00:28:19,259 --> 00:28:21,941
Like you can chill with us,
we're cool, you know.

583
00:28:21,941 --> 00:28:26,130
Like we're all swimming here,
we're all ladies, but you can go

584
00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:26,951
back to the living world.

585
00:28:26,951 --> 00:28:30,327
But the only thing is you
cannot have your heart's desire.

586
00:28:30,327 --> 00:28:32,353
And that was an interesting
ultimatum.

587
00:28:32,353 --> 00:28:35,007
I like that shakespearean, you
know.

588
00:28:35,007 --> 00:28:37,876
Like I like when star wars does
stuff like that.

589
00:28:37,876 --> 00:28:41,567
But my issue is they don't
really explain what that means,

590
00:28:41,906 --> 00:28:46,734
because does that mean quinlan
voss can't see her, can't love

591
00:28:46,775 --> 00:28:47,316
her anymore?

592
00:28:47,316 --> 00:28:50,339
Does that mean she can't love
Quinlan Vos?

593
00:28:50,339 --> 00:28:53,753
Because she then spends the
next three episodes searching

594
00:28:53,814 --> 00:28:58,935
for him and she comes very close
to you know, potentially seeing

595
00:28:58,935 --> 00:28:59,396
Quinlan Vos.

596
00:28:59,396 --> 00:29:01,849
There's the idea that Quinlan
Vos might be on that ship

597
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:05,377
leading to the path you know to
take wayward Jedi to safety.

598
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:08,252
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool
hearing about that again too.

599
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,910
Speaker 2: The path yeah,
something brought up in obi-wan

600
00:29:10,930 --> 00:29:11,151
kenobi.

601
00:29:11,151 --> 00:29:14,279
Yeah, that they are like just
very good at weaving stuff

602
00:29:14,365 --> 00:29:16,789
together over over the span of
different series.

603
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:18,874
But yeah, so like what?

604
00:29:18,874 --> 00:29:24,631
What is your take on the I
guess, the ultimatum slash curse

605
00:29:24,631 --> 00:29:29,301
that mother talzin put on asajj
so that she can live again?

606
00:29:29,301 --> 00:29:31,846
Can she still love quinlan voss
?

607
00:29:31,846 --> 00:29:33,210
Can quinlan voss still love her
?

608
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:35,414
Or is it just too vague
currently?

609
00:29:35,414 --> 00:29:36,577
Maybe it's well?

610
00:29:36,704 --> 00:29:39,810
Speaker 1: obviously she still
felt something, you know yeah

611
00:29:39,871 --> 00:29:42,234
she, she was.

612
00:29:42,234 --> 00:29:45,787
I mean, that was the whole
reason why she was kind of

613
00:29:46,188 --> 00:29:49,453
looking for the path you you
know with what was his name

614
00:29:49,493 --> 00:29:49,733
again?

615
00:29:50,095 --> 00:29:51,397
The kid Lyco.

616
00:29:51,397 --> 00:29:52,259
Yeah, lyco.

617
00:29:52,259 --> 00:29:57,145
So you know, obviously there
were some feelings on that and

618
00:29:57,946 --> 00:30:02,676
maybe the ultimatum was I don't
know, maybe it was a little bit

619
00:30:02,817 --> 00:30:06,791
deeper than that, maybe because
you know that was, you know,

620
00:30:06,833 --> 00:30:09,266
know, because she was kind of, I
guess, like it was almost like

621
00:30:09,306 --> 00:30:14,256
she was being reborn again and
so it's like that was part of

622
00:30:14,336 --> 00:30:18,730
like another part of her life,
and so I guess, yeah, she's just

623
00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:24,965
trying to, I guess, live in a
way that would make him proud, I

624
00:30:24,965 --> 00:30:28,857
guess quinlan voss yeah, what
are your takes on?

625
00:30:28,978 --> 00:30:29,660
Speaker 3: it rich.

626
00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:35,292
I mean, I could see it being
something like a I'll call it

627
00:30:35,313 --> 00:30:39,566
the rogue curse, where she, as
you know she went to go touch

628
00:30:39,645 --> 00:30:39,946
him.

629
00:30:39,946 --> 00:30:43,955
She would be enveloped in like
the green magic of the witches

630
00:30:43,996 --> 00:30:48,615
of dathomir, and that touch
would kill quinlan or completely

631
00:30:48,615 --> 00:30:51,095
separate yeah, like maybe like
they would be incapable of

632
00:30:51,134 --> 00:30:52,522
touching that would be,
interesting.

633
00:30:52,723 --> 00:30:56,074
Speaker 2: I could actually see
that because the like the magic

634
00:30:56,114 --> 00:30:58,942
with a k that they have, the
witches of dathomir.

635
00:30:58,942 --> 00:31:02,375
I feel like that's something
that you okay, I like that

636
00:31:02,415 --> 00:31:02,696
theory.

637
00:31:02,696 --> 00:31:03,661
I like that theory.

638
00:31:03,661 --> 00:31:07,211
Let's send it over to day
feloni and you know, hopefully

639
00:31:07,231 --> 00:31:08,596
in couple of years we'll get a
full series.

640
00:31:08,596 --> 00:31:13,073
No, this is our little writer's
room.

641
00:31:13,073 --> 00:31:15,874
We're working away at scripts
over here.

642
00:31:16,826 --> 00:31:19,374
Speaker 3: And I feel like there
will be something at some point

643
00:31:19,374 --> 00:31:19,374
.

644
00:31:19,374 --> 00:31:21,173
I think there's got to be.

645
00:31:21,645 --> 00:31:23,452
Speaker 2: That's the thing with
Dave Filoni like love him or

646
00:31:23,472 --> 00:31:28,224
hate him, he's not going to let
his box of toys die, they're

647
00:31:28,244 --> 00:31:31,491
just going to, on living to, so
they can just keep going through

648
00:31:31,491 --> 00:31:32,032
more stories.

649
00:31:32,835 --> 00:31:36,249
Speaker 1: The only one who I
think can't just because it was

650
00:31:36,288 --> 00:31:41,104
a perfect death is kanan jaris
spoilers I'm not sure if that's

651
00:31:41,124 --> 00:31:45,632
yeah, dude, I mean like I, I
feel like once it's been out for

652
00:31:45,632 --> 00:31:50,098
a while, if you haven't seen it
, then the spoiler thing is kind

653
00:31:50,098 --> 00:31:50,599
of on you.

654
00:31:51,365 --> 00:31:52,852
Speaker 2: Wait, did Thanos win?

655
00:31:53,444 --> 00:31:54,770
Speaker 1: Wait, Bruce Willis
was a ghost.

656
00:31:54,770 --> 00:32:00,393
Oh no, that's kind of why, I
guess, in a way that's why I'm

657
00:32:00,432 --> 00:32:04,469
like okay, let's buffer Andor a
little bit, let's kind of

658
00:32:04,528 --> 00:32:07,538
marinate a little bit before we
start talking spoilers.

659
00:32:08,765 --> 00:32:11,212
Speaker 2: We're not big enough
to hop on things right away I do

660
00:32:11,212 --> 00:32:15,105
think at some point I would
like to do a couple episodes,

661
00:32:15,265 --> 00:32:19,173
not necessarily of andor, but a
couple episodes in a row of

662
00:32:19,252 --> 00:32:24,910
stuff that is either coming out
that week or coming out, like

663
00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:27,035
you know, within a certain
amount of time.

664
00:32:27,035 --> 00:32:31,030
Because I'm curious if people
will, because I think the people

665
00:32:31,030 --> 00:32:34,258
who are listening actively to
podcasts, or searching for

666
00:32:34,325 --> 00:32:39,075
podcasts to listen to, are
people who are fresh off of that

667
00:32:39,075 --> 00:32:42,228
topic, you know, or it's it's
in their minds, so they want to

668
00:32:42,268 --> 00:32:42,689
check it out.

669
00:32:42,689 --> 00:32:45,986
So I feel like, yeah, I think
that would be like just to test

670
00:32:46,066 --> 00:32:48,512
out the numbers, see if there's
any particular bump, because

671
00:32:48,532 --> 00:32:49,776
that might actually help us out.

672
00:32:49,964 --> 00:32:51,873
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm
definitely open for that.

673
00:32:51,873 --> 00:32:54,993
I just I guess I don't want to
be confined to that, if that

674
00:32:55,054 --> 00:32:55,535
makes sense.

675
00:32:56,144 --> 00:32:58,852
Speaker 2: You don't want the
whole show to be topic of the

676
00:32:58,872 --> 00:33:01,116
week, you know, and like
whatever's like coming out.

677
00:33:01,116 --> 00:33:03,126
Which exactly which house, you
know?

678
00:33:03,146 --> 00:33:04,528
Speaker 1: I just want to talk
about stuff we like.

679
00:33:04,528 --> 00:33:09,551
But yeah, no, I mean that could
line up to things that we like.

680
00:33:10,012 --> 00:33:11,713
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, so is
it.

681
00:33:11,753 --> 00:33:12,974
Speaker 3: Housewives or Love
Island.

682
00:33:12,974 --> 00:33:14,977
I just want to know which one
that we're looking at.

683
00:33:14,977 --> 00:33:16,657
I don't even know if those
shows are on.

684
00:33:16,698 --> 00:33:20,662
Speaker 2: I just honestly love
on the spectrum Too hot to

685
00:33:20,721 --> 00:33:21,021
handle.

686
00:33:24,664 --> 00:33:26,115
Speaker 3: I literally tried to
pick the most detestable shows I

687
00:33:26,115 --> 00:33:26,557
could think of.

688
00:33:26,617 --> 00:33:28,586
Speaker 2: That are possibly
still on television 90 Day

689
00:33:28,605 --> 00:33:28,726
Fiance.

690
00:33:28,726 --> 00:33:30,169
Most detestable shows I could
think of that are possibly still

691
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:31,029
on television 90 day fiance.

692
00:33:31,049 --> 00:33:32,973
Speaker 3: I think there was a
clip from one of those shows

693
00:33:33,414 --> 00:33:36,468
where this guy had seemingly
like no neck, all right, and my

694
00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:40,842
students decided to big, big, al
or big ed, yeah, yeah it's big,

695
00:33:40,842 --> 00:33:45,295
ed I know exactly they were
spamming me, like when I was

696
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:47,059
teaching, like I think hybrid.

697
00:33:47,059 --> 00:33:49,628
You know, I'm did something
like mr coney.

698
00:33:49,628 --> 00:33:50,432
This guy looks like you.

699
00:33:50,432 --> 00:33:53,345
They drop it in the chat and
I'd be like this is so offensive

700
00:33:53,345 --> 00:33:53,806
to me.

701
00:33:53,806 --> 00:33:58,741
I'm like I, I have a, I have a
neck not them saying that that's

702
00:33:58,741 --> 00:34:03,092
your doppelganger they said
that, and william h macy from

703
00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:03,993
what's the series?

704
00:34:04,153 --> 00:34:05,356
I've never seen it before.

705
00:34:05,356 --> 00:34:10,086
It's like acclaimed a series
that he's on willem h macy.

706
00:34:10,748 --> 00:34:11,809
Speaker 2: I can't remember who
that is.

707
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:13,592
Speaker 3: He's on like this hbo
series.

708
00:34:14,114 --> 00:34:16,938
Speaker 2: Sorry oh uh,
shameless, shameless.

709
00:34:16,938 --> 00:34:18,690
Yeah, they saw, shameless.

710
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:21,601
Speaker 3: That looks like you
I'm like that's just a random

711
00:34:21,641 --> 00:34:25,012
white guy with like longish hair
and facial hair that that

712
00:34:25,032 --> 00:34:28,583
doesn't classify me as him like
kids are ruthless.

713
00:34:28,742 --> 00:34:31,769
Speaker 2: Speaking of 90 day
fiance, like I actually did like

714
00:34:31,769 --> 00:34:36,858
during covid like me, my wife
and like her in-laws would just

715
00:34:36,945 --> 00:34:42,155
like sit and watch seasons of 90
day fiance like on the on.

716
00:34:42,416 --> 00:34:45,007
You know, just in a row, just
like on the couch, like we would

717
00:34:45,007 --> 00:34:47,610
go on like and I would poke
holes in it left and right,

718
00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:49,472
because that stuff is all fake.

719
00:34:49,472 --> 00:34:54,000
There's like they would like be
fighting and like the girl

720
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,291
would like run off, and like the
cameramen are all like we don't

721
00:34:56,291 --> 00:34:59,708
know where she is and like
she's just sitting in a car in

722
00:34:59,728 --> 00:35:00,190
the background.

723
00:35:00,190 --> 00:35:01,635
Like we know where she is.

724
00:35:01,635 --> 00:35:02,400
She's right over there.

725
00:35:03,081 --> 00:35:04,867
Speaker 1: It's so stupid or
they don't know where.

726
00:35:04,867 --> 00:35:07,172
They don't know where someone
is, but there's a camera

727
00:35:07,213 --> 00:35:07,795
following them.

728
00:35:08,275 --> 00:35:11,072
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so good
stuff.

729
00:35:11,072 --> 00:35:13,492
Yeah, that's the origin of my
time at Big N.

730
00:35:14,704 --> 00:35:16,713
Speaker 3: How about 90 Day
Fiance, cad Bane and Asajj

731
00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:17,134
Ventress?

732
00:35:19,449 --> 00:35:20,030
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate it.

733
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:21,916
I think no, all right.

734
00:35:21,916 --> 00:35:26,393
So what do we think about Lyco
the new Padawan?

735
00:35:26,393 --> 00:35:29,657
Oh, actually, before we jump
into that, when do you guys

736
00:35:29,697 --> 00:35:30,480
think this takes place?

737
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,911
Because I'm at a loss.

738
00:35:31,911 --> 00:35:38,438
It's short enough where Lyco, a
former Padawan, is still

739
00:35:38,981 --> 00:35:40,704
seemingly a teenager right.

740
00:35:41,688 --> 00:35:44,876
So he hasn't got his knighthood
yet, presumably.

741
00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:51,686
And he's all alone, no one here
beside me, and sorry, I have

742
00:35:51,706 --> 00:35:53,708
that, the donkey song, I'm all
alone.

743
00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:57,635
There's no one here beside me
in my head.

744
00:35:57,635 --> 00:36:04,210
So he's young enough for order
66 to still be quite recent, but

745
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:07,577
we now know that the
Inquisitors are fully in gear.

746
00:36:07,577 --> 00:36:10,907
There's another, like you know,
pointless Inquisitor where they

747
00:36:10,907 --> 00:36:15,597
immediately offed, but then
there's enough time has passed

748
00:36:15,737 --> 00:36:20,275
for Quinlan Vos to have created
the path, which I assumed would

749
00:36:20,315 --> 00:36:21,958
be something like late in the
game.

750
00:36:21,958 --> 00:36:24,592
Like after like, he's
accumulated a bunch of resources

751
00:36:24,592 --> 00:36:26,036
, a bunch of people in the
background.

752
00:36:26,036 --> 00:36:29,431
That's something that I assumed
would have taken a long time to

753
00:36:29,431 --> 00:36:31,456
like come together, but I, I
don't know.

754
00:36:31,577 --> 00:36:33,489
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard
time placing this one so maybe

755
00:36:33,509 --> 00:36:37,804
it could be it could be safe to
say that it might kind of reside

756
00:36:37,804 --> 00:36:43,331
around when obi-wan takes place
I don't know, because lyco's

757
00:36:43,371 --> 00:36:44,313
too young for that.

758
00:36:44,492 --> 00:36:47,858
Speaker 2: He's still obi-wan
takes place.

759
00:36:47,858 --> 00:36:49,300
Oh no, no obi-wan.

760
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,891
Yeah, I guess it could be
around obi-wan yeah, I mean lyco

761
00:36:53,891 --> 00:36:53,891
.

762
00:36:53,891 --> 00:36:59,125
Yeah, he is young, but I mean
there's all no, you're right, it

763
00:36:59,125 --> 00:37:01,391
seems like he could have been a
youngling he could have been a

764
00:37:01,411 --> 00:37:06,369
youngling, yeah I mean yeah he
he doesn't give yeah, or younger

765
00:37:06,369 --> 00:37:10,494
on the padawan because he did
have a little bit of proficiency

766
00:37:10,494 --> 00:37:11,416
with the lightsaber.

767
00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:15,949
Yeah, it's a conundrum, I didn't
get him Do you feel like he's

768
00:37:15,989 --> 00:37:18,585
Jedi Temple survivor youngling.

769
00:37:18,585 --> 00:37:21,032
He might not have been at the
Jedi Temple, but he's definitely

770
00:37:21,032 --> 00:37:22,394
a survivor of Order 66.

771
00:37:22,434 --> 00:37:24,951
Speaker 3: Okay, I know, I'm
pretty sure that Anakin's pretty

772
00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:25,333
effective.

773
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:27,427
He killed all the younglings in
the temple.

774
00:37:27,427 --> 00:37:28,126
No, I just want to.

775
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:29,307
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that
Anakin's pretty effective.

776
00:37:29,307 --> 00:37:30,449
He killed all the younglings in
the temple.

777
00:37:30,449 --> 00:37:32,150
I mean with the existence of
characters like Ezra, you know,

778
00:37:32,309 --> 00:37:36,614
somebody who learned the ways
after the fact Like do you think

779
00:37:36,614 --> 00:37:38,074
that Lyko is better than Ezra?

780
00:37:38,074 --> 00:37:42,679
No, whoever he was with,
definitely you know they got

781
00:37:42,739 --> 00:37:45,300
killed while he was in the midst
of training.

782
00:37:46,161 --> 00:37:49,565
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's the
vibe that I got.

783
00:37:49,565 --> 00:37:52,893
He's kind of like a kanan jarus
who you know his master died

784
00:37:53,052 --> 00:37:57,128
protecting him during order 66
and you know he grew up kind of

785
00:37:57,409 --> 00:38:00,936
semi a jedi, but not really a
jedi until it until, like, he

786
00:38:00,976 --> 00:38:02,346
was ready to take on that role
again.

787
00:38:02,346 --> 00:38:04,429
So it kind of seems like that
could be the case.

788
00:38:04,429 --> 00:38:09,617
Or same goes for oh man, who's
the kid from the Jedi Order

789
00:38:09,657 --> 00:38:09,918
games?

790
00:38:09,918 --> 00:38:10,980
I forget his name.

791
00:38:11,626 --> 00:38:13,211
Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking
about Cal Kestis.

792
00:38:13,351 --> 00:38:16,052
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Cal Kestis
also kind of falls into that

793
00:38:16,092 --> 00:38:16,233
boat.

794
00:38:16,485 --> 00:38:16,947
Speaker 1: There's a lot of.

795
00:38:16,987 --> 00:38:17,268
Speaker 2: Jedi.

796
00:38:17,268 --> 00:38:18,813
Out there, guys, orphan Jedi.

797
00:38:20,146 --> 00:38:23,835
Speaker 1: So we're saying that
Yoda was a liar when he said

798
00:38:23,875 --> 00:38:25,778
that Luke would be the last Jedi
?

799
00:38:28,885 --> 00:38:29,929
Speaker 2: Unless something
really terrible happens to

800
00:38:29,949 --> 00:38:33,240
quinlan voss and like I mean
that that still could happen,

801
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,967
like that, that would be a crazy
story, just like, literally,

802
00:38:35,989 --> 00:38:39,295
the rest of the jedi are found I
understand that it's yoda and

803
00:38:39,335 --> 00:38:43,811
he said it, but yoda was also on
the planet of dagobah, kind of

804
00:38:43,851 --> 00:38:44,552
like luke was.

805
00:38:44,652 --> 00:38:48,458
Speaker 3: Later he was on this
dark nexus of evil cave thing,

806
00:38:48,518 --> 00:38:51,952
that kind of offset and hid him
from being able to be read.

807
00:38:51,952 --> 00:38:54,981
I just think that I know yoda
said it.

808
00:38:54,981 --> 00:38:59,030
I don't think the idea that we
have like yoda was wrong about

809
00:38:59,110 --> 00:38:59,552
so much.

810
00:38:59,552 --> 00:39:03,266
Yoda could have told anakin
like hey, it sucks to lose

811
00:39:03,306 --> 00:39:05,599
somebody and you know it really
hurts, and maybe you should

812
00:39:05,619 --> 00:39:08,769
process those feelings instead
of like it's good, death is good

813
00:39:08,769 --> 00:39:08,769
.

814
00:39:08,769 --> 00:39:09,952
They embrace the force.

815
00:39:09,952 --> 00:39:13,128
You know, as the guy's sitting
there in darkness brooding

816
00:39:13,168 --> 00:39:15,693
because he's obviously upset,
yoda couldn't read his mind.

817
00:39:15,693 --> 00:39:18,367
He couldn't sense his emotions
in that moment.

818
00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:21,356
I'm sorry to all those people
out there that really ascribe to

819
00:39:21,356 --> 00:39:24,130
this theory but I'm just like
no man yoda can be wrong.

820
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:24,530
That's what we.

821
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:25,012
We learned.

822
00:39:25,012 --> 00:39:31,951
Like Yoda's folly the fact that
everyone always thought he was

823
00:39:31,971 --> 00:39:33,739
right was actually our folly and
the galaxy's folly.

824
00:39:34,585 --> 00:39:36,331
Speaker 1: Well, that was the
whole point of the prequels.

825
00:39:36,773 --> 00:39:37,534
Speaker 3: Makes me so angry.

826
00:39:37,534 --> 00:39:39,112
He's such a like ah.

827
00:39:39,929 --> 00:39:41,646
Speaker 1: That was the whole
point of the prequels to really

828
00:39:41,686 --> 00:39:44,034
like show how dogmatic the Jedi
were.

829
00:39:45,469 --> 00:39:46,192
Speaker 3: Yeah, it made me
wonder.

830
00:39:48,065 --> 00:39:49,748
Speaker 1: I mean, they had some
good principles, of course, but

831
00:39:49,748 --> 00:39:52,954
there was definitely a lot of
emotion.

832
00:39:52,954 --> 00:39:57,414
You know a lot of stuff that
like if you told a therapist

833
00:39:57,436 --> 00:39:59,222
that you were doing that, they
would be like, no, that's

834
00:39:59,422 --> 00:40:03,590
unhealthy you know, it's kind of
stifling emotions pretty much

835
00:40:04,552 --> 00:40:08,376
what I will say about the so or
the asajj ventress episodes.

836
00:40:09,259 --> 00:40:12,768
Speaker 2: I really liked the
way that they started it with

837
00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:16,195
this new intrigue that she's
back, but like they don't give a

838
00:40:16,195 --> 00:40:19,791
why, it's just a, you know,
like this this is happening.

839
00:40:19,791 --> 00:40:23,525
Now she's back and they don't
really follow up on that

840
00:40:23,606 --> 00:40:27,615
meaningfully enough for it to
really make those episodes worth

841
00:40:27,615 --> 00:40:28,056
it for me.

842
00:40:28,056 --> 00:40:30,293
I guess I'm happy that she's
back.

843
00:40:30,293 --> 00:40:34,074
I'm interested about what
happens to this Lyco kid.

844
00:40:34,516 --> 00:40:35,097
Speaker 1: Right.

845
00:40:35,525 --> 00:40:37,894
Speaker 2: But it wasn't in.

846
00:40:37,894 --> 00:40:40,706
Again, I would like, like you
know we were saying earlier, it

847
00:40:40,746 --> 00:40:44,231
would have been better if they
these were three like disparate

848
00:40:44,271 --> 00:40:47,972
stories, like completely
separate and not telling one

849
00:40:48,735 --> 00:40:49,456
incomplete arc.

850
00:40:49,456 --> 00:40:50,306
Honestly it was.

851
00:40:50,306 --> 00:40:51,510
It wasn't even like they didn't
.

852
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:53,755
They never really resolved
anything.

853
00:40:53,795 --> 00:40:56,769
Speaker 1: Besides, I'm gonna
stick with you like that was the

854
00:40:56,769 --> 00:41:00,498
the gist of the arc yeah but
anyway, final thoughts on these

855
00:41:00,585 --> 00:41:03,990
three episodes guys I thought it
was cool to like kind of see

856
00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:09,159
gray jedi asajj in an animated
format.

857
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:15,989
Dark Disciple was amazing and
obviously listening to the

858
00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:23,286
audiobook was pretty much like
listening to radio, but it was

859
00:41:23,327 --> 00:41:25,472
cool to actually see it visually
too.

860
00:41:26,253 --> 00:41:27,637
Speaker 2: Yes, rich, what do
you think?

861
00:41:27,637 --> 00:41:30,206
I truly enjoyed it.

862
00:41:30,206 --> 00:41:31,331
It was cool to like actually
see it visually too.

863
00:41:31,331 --> 00:41:32,335
Yes, rich, what do you think I
I truly enjoy?

864
00:41:32,335 --> 00:41:33,541
Don't don't take what I was
saying, like the criticisms that

865
00:41:33,541 --> 00:41:34,766
I was saying, to like
negatively impact your opinion

866
00:41:34,806 --> 00:41:37,954
of it, because I do want to hear
your opinion like okay.

867
00:41:38,034 --> 00:41:40,608
Speaker 3: So I'll admit,
hearing what you said made me

868
00:41:40,829 --> 00:41:41,610
want that.

869
00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:45,342
But before you said that, I
just really enjoyed it.

870
00:41:45,342 --> 00:41:47,367
I really enjoyed from the
beginning.

871
00:41:47,367 --> 00:41:50,952
He tries to use the Jedi, you
know mind trick and she's kind

872
00:41:50,994 --> 00:41:53,398
of like you idiot, like you're
not doing you know, like what

873
00:41:53,478 --> 00:41:53,998
are you doing?

874
00:41:53,998 --> 00:41:55,146
What a loser, yeah.

875
00:41:55,146 --> 00:41:58,353
And she immediately kind of
like it's almost like a thief

876
00:41:58,452 --> 00:42:00,838
watching somebody trying to like
pickpocket poorly.

877
00:42:00,838 --> 00:42:03,210
You know, I kind of really
appreciated that.

878
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:05,251
I liked the ending of the first
episode.

879
00:42:05,251 --> 00:42:06,532
She's that I liked the ending
of the first episode.

880
00:42:06,532 --> 00:42:06,672
She's.

881
00:42:06,672 --> 00:42:07,813
You know you gotta tell me who
you are.

882
00:42:07,813 --> 00:42:08,875
And then I'm a savage ventress.

883
00:42:08,875 --> 00:42:10,856
I've probably killed many
people that you've already known

884
00:42:10,856 --> 00:42:10,856
.

885
00:42:10,856 --> 00:42:14,579
You know that I thought was
pretty, that that that was

886
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:14,940
awesome.

887
00:42:15,021 --> 00:42:17,686
I mean, that was like a moment
where that was cool that, that

888
00:42:17,706 --> 00:42:20,873
was it reminded me of just I
know it's often, but like when

889
00:42:20,914 --> 00:42:24,429
mcbeth gets confronted by young
c word in act, act five of

890
00:42:24,489 --> 00:42:27,916
mcbeth, and he's like you know
my name will scare you and he's

891
00:42:27,936 --> 00:42:29,858
like you know well what is it.

892
00:42:29,858 --> 00:42:33,510
And he's like my name's Macbeth
and I've always imagined it as

893
00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:34,454
my name's Macbeth.

894
00:42:34,454 --> 00:42:37,469
And then a word for a female
dog because I just think it's

895
00:42:37,509 --> 00:42:41,574
his moment of just kind of my
name is enough to inspire fear

896
00:42:41,746 --> 00:42:44,173
and when she says it I get the
same feeling.

897
00:42:44,173 --> 00:42:49,007
So I think it's just because I
love the character so much, I

898
00:42:49,027 --> 00:42:50,853
hated her and then grew to love
her because of Dark Disciple and

899
00:42:50,853 --> 00:42:52,556
everything and everything I've
seen.

900
00:42:52,556 --> 00:42:53,867
I think she's so interesting.

901
00:42:53,907 --> 00:42:57,717
I've always loved the Witches of
Dathomir, ever since I read the

902
00:42:57,717 --> 00:43:00,472
Courtship of Princess Leia,
which is now legend.

903
00:43:00,472 --> 00:43:03,007
But it was one of the books
that was supposed to take place

904
00:43:03,146 --> 00:43:07,481
right after Return of the Jedi,
where basically han and leia go

905
00:43:07,541 --> 00:43:11,552
off and get married and they go
and they end up on this crazy

906
00:43:11,612 --> 00:43:15,628
planet with the witches of
dathomir and writing rancors and

907
00:43:15,628 --> 00:43:16,010
stuff.

908
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:17,612
That led to a lot of the stuff
we see here.

909
00:43:17,612 --> 00:43:21,208
So I think I'm always going to
like somebody who's tied to that

910
00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:25,117
dathomir in some way, because
dathomir felt like one of the

911
00:43:25,284 --> 00:43:29,612
first really like nerdy places
that I knew about, that not even

912
00:43:29,612 --> 00:43:31,817
my other Star Wars friends knew
about, because they weren't

913
00:43:31,876 --> 00:43:33,260
reading, they were just watching
the stuff.

914
00:43:33,744 --> 00:43:36,188
Speaker 2: That's not real Star
Wars, man, real Star Wars, and

915
00:43:36,268 --> 00:43:37,452
it would return to the Jedi.

916
00:43:37,512 --> 00:43:41,929
Speaker 3: Exactly so I think
that the character of Saj

917
00:43:41,949 --> 00:43:46,056
Ventress is just always going to
kind of take precedence and

918
00:43:46,137 --> 00:43:48,159
really kind of make me pay
attention more.

919
00:43:48,744 --> 00:43:52,427
Speaker 2: So you liked her
moment of my name is Inigo

920
00:43:52,447 --> 00:43:52,971
Montoya.

921
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:58,094
Speaker 3: Yes, Unsurprisingly,
I have that clip in my iTunes,

922
00:43:58,324 --> 00:44:02,146
so when I'm just driving that'll
just pop on randomly and it

923
00:44:02,186 --> 00:44:03,451
warms the cockles of my heart.

924
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:04,974
Speaker 2: Love it.

925
00:44:04,974 --> 00:44:09,110
All right, let's talk about the
Cad Bane arc, and the timeline

926
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:14,333
for this is also kind of unknown
because we I don't think we

927
00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:18,527
know canonically like how old
cad bane is, but this all

928
00:44:18,547 --> 00:44:21,132
clearly takes place prior to
clone wars.

929
00:44:21,132 --> 00:44:25,307
This is like very early cad
bane, laura, and it starts with

930
00:44:25,367 --> 00:44:29,003
him as a child, where he he goes
by Colby and he has a best

931
00:44:29,063 --> 00:44:31,391
friend named Nero Nero.

932
00:44:32,775 --> 00:44:35,362
Speaker 1: I know that part was
like really sad tell me your

933
00:44:35,402 --> 00:44:35,601
thoughts.

934
00:44:35,682 --> 00:44:38,949
Anthony hit me that like like
that, that part was really sad.

935
00:44:38,949 --> 00:44:42,478
Like you know, when you know
you kind of he's growing up on

936
00:44:42,684 --> 00:44:49,335
the streets of Duros and yeah,
like you know, just poor, you

937
00:44:49,375 --> 00:44:54,347
know no family and pretty much
you know his buddy, that's his

938
00:44:54,427 --> 00:44:58,039
family, and you know they come
across a bounty hunter that

939
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:02,711
looks very similarly to him when
he gets older, you know, yeah,

940
00:45:02,731 --> 00:45:06,306
like they kind of come into
money helping him out and you

941
00:45:06,326 --> 00:45:09,592
know his buddy gets caught and
it's kind of sad because money

942
00:45:09,632 --> 00:45:13,617
helping him out and you know his
buddy gets caught and it's kind

943
00:45:13,617 --> 00:45:15,141
of sad because you know like
they get separated.

944
00:45:15,141 --> 00:45:17,684
You know he's sad that like
he's like kind of lost his buddy

945
00:45:17,684 --> 00:45:19,887
and so, like you know, in that
moment it's like dude, like

946
00:45:19,907 --> 00:45:21,913
that's really sad, like his only
kind of his only family is like

947
00:45:21,913 --> 00:45:23,456
he's about to get separated
from him.

948
00:45:24,105 --> 00:45:27,327
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an
interesting dynamic and you kind

949
00:45:27,327 --> 00:45:29,173
of saw it coming, or at least I
did.

950
00:45:29,193 --> 00:45:32,431
I thought I kind of saw it
coming yeah, yeah, like one of

951
00:45:32,472 --> 00:45:36,088
these people is going to be cad
bane and one of them isn't, you

952
00:45:36,128 --> 00:45:36,268
know.

953
00:45:36,268 --> 00:45:39,018
So you, you kind of think
either this guy's going to die

954
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:42,009
or he's going to get separated
by them.

955
00:45:42,009 --> 00:45:45,302
And you know, as soon as the
guy came in with you know, like

956
00:45:45,322 --> 00:45:49,431
this is an investment, you kind
of assumed at that point that he

957
00:45:49,431 --> 00:45:52,016
was going to take Cad Bane on,
but not the other kid.

958
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:56,423
And the other kid was showing
reserve to you know, aiding Cad

959
00:45:57,186 --> 00:46:00,335
I forget the Cad Bane lookalike
guy's name, but he was showing

960
00:46:00,375 --> 00:46:02,786
reserve to it, like is this
really worth it, you know.

961
00:46:02,786 --> 00:46:06,065
And then Cad Bane, like he's
like, yeah, you're right, and

962
00:46:06,085 --> 00:46:08,152
then he turns around like let's
double the offer.

963
00:46:08,505 --> 00:46:13,291
I thought that was really funny,
but I did, like, you know, like

964
00:46:13,291 --> 00:46:15,498
thinking about it now I do like
the arc quite a bit.

965
00:46:15,498 --> 00:46:22,259
I think that they really made
Cad Bane an unlikable character,

966
00:46:22,259 --> 00:46:25,427
like he wasn't really like a
lot of people like Cad Bane just

967
00:46:25,427 --> 00:46:28,891
because he's like the cool guy
with the cowboy hat from you

968
00:46:28,911 --> 00:46:30,831
know, clone Wars and he's an
excellent bounty hunter.

969
00:46:30,831 --> 00:46:34,148
And it was interesting learning
about his backstory and how he

970
00:46:34,188 --> 00:46:36,235
became the cold hearted man I am
.

971
00:46:36,235 --> 00:46:38,244
I'm quoting nothing Like I was
just literally.

972
00:46:38,244 --> 00:46:40,733
I was just trying to mimic his
voice.

973
00:46:40,764 --> 00:46:44,492
You were trying to like mimic
his voice, yeah yeah, but yeah,

974
00:46:44,632 --> 00:46:50,744
it does give you moments to
sympathize with him, but because

975
00:46:50,744 --> 00:46:56,094
of his actions throughout the
couple episodes, those brief

976
00:46:56,175 --> 00:46:59,748
moments of potential sympathy
for the character are ripped

977
00:46:59,869 --> 00:47:01,632
right away just by his actions.

978
00:47:01,632 --> 00:47:04,027
If that makes sense, rich, what
do you think?

979
00:47:04,748 --> 00:47:04,869
Speaker 3: it's.

980
00:47:04,869 --> 00:47:07,134
So it's funny I think I go into
this with.

981
00:47:07,134 --> 00:47:07,715
I didn't.

982
00:47:07,715 --> 00:47:10,168
I wasn't a cad bane lover going
into it.

983
00:47:10,168 --> 00:47:13,436
I mean, yeah, he looks pretty
cool, but from what I'd seen of

984
00:47:13,496 --> 00:47:17,195
him and other star wars
properties, I kind of just

985
00:47:17,215 --> 00:47:19,704
thought he was like a heartless,
you know, a heartless bounty

986
00:47:19,744 --> 00:47:24,773
hunter guy and I assumed that he
had a rough, you, you know, he

987
00:47:24,813 --> 00:47:28,179
had a rough upbringing, you know
, and that hearted him as a

988
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,800
young boy.

989
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,251
And there's only two paths
Either you become Batman or you

990
00:47:33,271 --> 00:47:34,193
become a villain.

991
00:47:34,193 --> 00:47:35,786
I wasn't super surprised,
actually.

992
00:47:35,786 --> 00:47:38,510
What ended up happening at the
end of the arc is I was like

993
00:47:39,152 --> 00:47:43,820
gosh darn, I hate this man more
than I thought I did before, you

994
00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:47,992
know, like I always, that's how
I felt I never like I.

995
00:47:48,092 --> 00:47:49,356
I didn't like him.

996
00:47:49,356 --> 00:47:52,668
I mean, it was cool to see him
in live action, but I didn't.

997
00:47:52,668 --> 00:47:55,275
You know, I don't have any love
for the character I'd much

998
00:47:55,356 --> 00:47:56,545
rather see uh, what is it?

999
00:47:56,545 --> 00:47:57,347
Reef karga?

1000
00:47:57,347 --> 00:47:59,134
Is that the character played by
?

1001
00:47:59,574 --> 00:48:02,804
Speaker 2: grief, yeah, grief,
cargo right from yeah, from

1002
00:48:02,844 --> 00:48:05,269
mandalorian right from
mandalorian that's my man from

1003
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:05,650
rocky

1004
00:48:05,992 --> 00:48:09,668
Speaker 3: carl weathers, baby
yeah also uh, by the way, just

1005
00:48:09,688 --> 00:48:12,101
because this is tangentially
kind of related carl weathers is

1006
00:48:12,101 --> 00:48:14,989
in happy gilmore and the
alligator who was in happy

1007
00:48:15,009 --> 00:48:18,273
gilmore sadly died this week at
the age of 80.

1008
00:48:18,273 --> 00:48:21,460
So but 80, yeah, 80 years.

1009
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:23,563
He's apparently a star of many.

1010
00:48:23,563 --> 00:48:27,773
He's been the alligator and and
many movies, not that I can

1011
00:48:27,813 --> 00:48:30,579
name right now, but anyway
that's crazy.

1012
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:33,375
Speaker 2: I did not know that
alligators lived eight decades I

1013
00:48:33,375 --> 00:48:34,077
didn't know that either.

1014
00:48:34,179 --> 00:48:34,862
Speaker 3: I was like what?

1015
00:48:34,862 --> 00:48:36,125
I thought they were talking
about?

1016
00:48:36,125 --> 00:48:38,648
Bob barker, and I was like no,
bob barker died a long time ago.

1017
00:48:38,648 --> 00:48:41,010
So I clicked it it's the
alligator.

1018
00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:46,235
But yeah, I guess just that
he's never been a character.

1019
00:48:46,235 --> 00:48:50,759
You know, I've always thought I
like Boba Fett and I actually

1020
00:48:51,099 --> 00:48:52,561
ended up liking him.

1021
00:48:52,561 --> 00:48:53,722
I mean, this sounds crazy.

1022
00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:56,326
On the Book of Boba I liked him
more.

1023
00:48:56,326 --> 00:48:58,809
I feel like that disappointed
more people than ever because it

1024
00:48:58,809 --> 00:49:01,753
took away his mysteriousness
and people didn't like what they

1025
00:49:01,753 --> 00:49:02,172
found.

1026
00:49:02,172 --> 00:49:05,918
And I think it's kind of a
similar thing here with cad bane

1027
00:49:05,918 --> 00:49:05,918
.

1028
00:49:05,918 --> 00:49:09,728
Sometimes it's the
mysteriousness of the character

1029
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:13,643
that makes them really cool, you
know, and I just think that if

1030
00:49:13,842 --> 00:49:17,329
once you start giving us too
much, it becomes like that

1031
00:49:17,369 --> 00:49:20,275
terrible gambit character in the
x-men movies, you know, like

1032
00:49:21,376 --> 00:49:23,219
just poorly well done.

1033
00:49:23,219 --> 00:49:27,253
I mean not done well, because
you somehow took the mystique

1034
00:49:27,414 --> 00:49:30,751
away from that character oh, I'm
about to make a name for myself

1035
00:49:30,751 --> 00:49:31,976
I think so.

1036
00:49:32,077 --> 00:49:36,628
Speaker 1: So for me, cad bane
is definitely in this part of of

1037
00:49:36,628 --> 00:49:37,711
tales of the underworld.

1038
00:49:37,711 --> 00:49:41,480
It was more geared towards fans
of clone wars, you know,

1039
00:49:41,434 --> 00:49:42,298
because that's where cad bane
was that breakout character.

1040
00:49:42,298 --> 00:49:42,842
You know, one of the underworld
was more geared towards fans of

1041
00:49:42,842 --> 00:49:44,592
clone wars, you know, because
that's where cad bane was that

1042
00:49:44,652 --> 00:49:45,554
breakout character.

1043
00:49:45,554 --> 00:49:47,818
You know, one of the breakout
characters in that show.

1044
00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:50,936
He came out in that show and
that's where a lot of people

1045
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,139
liked him.

1046
00:49:52,521 --> 00:49:54,208
I always thought that cad bane
was really cool.

1047
00:49:54,208 --> 00:49:57,460
I'm not gonna go and say like,
oh, he's my favorite character,

1048
00:49:57,862 --> 00:50:00,231
but I always thought that cad
bane was really really cool.

1049
00:50:00,231 --> 00:50:05,313
And when I saw that like he had
popped up in, you know, book of

1050
00:50:05,313 --> 00:50:07,478
boba fett, like you know, I
thought, like you know, like

1051
00:50:07,545 --> 00:50:09,670
that was kind of like a treat
within itself.

1052
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:13,137
But yeah, you know, book of
boba fett, you know we we've

1053
00:50:13,204 --> 00:50:16,092
gone down that rabbit hole
already and I'm not going to

1054
00:50:16,112 --> 00:50:16,974
talk much about it.

1055
00:50:16,974 --> 00:50:20,208
But the thing is is that, like
you know, even with that being

1056
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:25,768
said, this side of tales of the
underworld was the stronger side

1057
00:50:25,768 --> 00:50:29,717
, you know, even if it does take
away, yes, you know, some of

1058
00:50:29,777 --> 00:50:31,887
the, I guess, mystique of cad
bane.

1059
00:50:32,548 --> 00:50:37,277
You know, the thing is is that
there's still a lot of mystique

1060
00:50:37,297 --> 00:50:40,150
to him because we had really
never gotten anything about him

1061
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:44,648
except for the fact that he is a
bounty hunter.

1062
00:50:44,648 --> 00:50:48,014
You know, we never had really
gotten too much of his backstory

1063
00:50:48,014 --> 00:50:53,112
, we just got him just hunting
down bounties and that's exactly

1064
00:50:53,112 --> 00:50:55,856
what he did in book of boba
fett.

1065
00:50:55,856 --> 00:50:58,628
You know we got a little bit
more of him and and some of the

1066
00:50:58,769 --> 00:51:01,956
other animated series you know,
especially clone wars.

1067
00:51:01,956 --> 00:51:05,635
But you know, cad bane was
definitely cool and it was cool

1068
00:51:06,197 --> 00:51:08,204
to see, you know, a little bit
of his upbringing.

1069
00:51:08,204 --> 00:51:12,434
That story was actually broken
up in the way that dakota would

1070
00:51:12,454 --> 00:51:14,567
have wanted the assas one to be
broken up?

1071
00:51:15,048 --> 00:51:15,891
Speaker 3: yes, I agree.

1072
00:51:16,012 --> 00:51:18,141
Speaker 1: You know, the thing
that I that I will say that was

1073
00:51:18,181 --> 00:51:22,514
really cool about assas and I I
forgot to pick this detail out

1074
00:51:22,574 --> 00:51:24,311
was that you can tell that she
was aged.

1075
00:51:24,311 --> 00:51:28,204
You saw it in her face okay,
that there was that that age

1076
00:51:28,244 --> 00:51:28,425
there.

1077
00:51:28,565 --> 00:51:31,150
so I thought that that was
really cool, some of that small

1078
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:31,572
detail.

1079
00:51:31,572 --> 00:51:35,927
But yeah, the cad bane side of
the story, I enjoyed it a lot

1080
00:51:36,027 --> 00:51:40,577
and it was really, really sad
when he faced down his buddy,

1081
00:51:41,097 --> 00:51:46,148
nero, because Cad Bane was with
somebody called Aaron and you

1082
00:51:46,188 --> 00:51:50,358
know when Cad kind of got sent
off to prison for killing a

1083
00:51:50,418 --> 00:51:55,914
marshal some years prior, you
know some romance buds between

1084
00:51:55,954 --> 00:51:59,264
Nero and Aaron and you know at
some point, yeah, aaron passes

1085
00:51:59,324 --> 00:52:04,108
away and you know that pisses
off Cad Bane and you know I

1086
00:52:04,128 --> 00:52:07,056
think what really like made me
sad was when he gunned down his

1087
00:52:07,217 --> 00:52:07,498
buddy.

1088
00:52:07,498 --> 00:52:11,512
You know the kid was there but
then like you realized whose kid

1089
00:52:11,512 --> 00:52:12,153
that was.

1090
00:52:13,005 --> 00:52:14,769
Speaker 2: And then he walked
off to go get some milk.

1091
00:52:15,672 --> 00:52:16,936
Speaker 1: Oh my God, Not the
milk yeah.

1092
00:52:27,764 --> 00:52:28,807
Speaker 3: No, I tell every once
in a while I'll tell my wife

1093
00:52:28,827 --> 00:52:30,010
all right, I'm gonna be right
back, I'm gonna go get milk and

1094
00:52:30,030 --> 00:52:31,094
cigarettes and my son goes what
are you talking about?

1095
00:52:31,114 --> 00:52:32,458
Speaker 2: and my wife goes no,
that's not funny, don't do that.

1096
00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:33,119
That's funny, that is funny.

1097
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:33,681
You can tell her.

1098
00:52:33,681 --> 00:52:34,744
Dakota said it is funny.

1099
00:52:34,744 --> 00:52:40,813
No, so just to clarify, I
wasn't saying that I didn't like

1100
00:52:40,813 --> 00:52:41,373
this arc.

1101
00:52:41,373 --> 00:52:46,559
I just said that it makes Cad
Bane a less likable character.

1102
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,112
Speaker 1: Right, right, right,
especially by the end of it.

1103
00:52:49,844 --> 00:52:52,873
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really
becomes irredeemable.

1104
00:52:52,873 --> 00:52:56,775
At the end he guns down his
childhood buddy, Nero.

1105
00:52:56,775 --> 00:52:58,327
Do you think?

1106
00:52:58,387 --> 00:53:01,974
Speaker 3: that Nero could have
just in the like I felt like

1107
00:53:02,034 --> 00:53:05,969
there was when he went to the
doorway, like the, the kind of

1108
00:53:06,269 --> 00:53:09,577
he asked the boy to stand back,
you know, and he's kind of in

1109
00:53:09,637 --> 00:53:12,731
front of him, right, and then he
goes to do the duel and the

1110
00:53:12,793 --> 00:53:16,507
whole time I'm thinking like
just yell, it's your son, it's

1111
00:53:16,568 --> 00:53:17,851
your son, right, like.

1112
00:53:17,851 --> 00:53:22,081
And instead he like starts the
dual steps and then obviously

1113
00:53:22,121 --> 00:53:24,427
gets killed, like I just I don't
get it.

1114
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:27,215
Speaker 2: I don't know why he
didn't just yell it out yeah,

1115
00:53:27,235 --> 00:53:30,088
it's also interesting like cad
bane even says something like

1116
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:33,396
don't worry, I'll look after you
, you know, like the kid, until

1117
00:53:33,416 --> 00:53:35,351
he realizes it's actually his
own kid.

1118
00:53:35,351 --> 00:53:38,643
And then there has to be like
some level of like oh man, I

1119
00:53:38,684 --> 00:53:39,306
screwed this up.

1120
00:53:39,766 --> 00:53:43,416
Speaker 3: And he just like
walks off Like I mean it just if

1121
00:53:43,416 --> 00:53:44,018
it's even weird.

1122
00:53:44,018 --> 00:53:46,721
I think I would have found it a
little bit more believable if

1123
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:48,670
maybe Bane just shoots him in
the back.

1124
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:53,431
You know, I don't know, it was
like a weirdly honorable way for

1125
00:53:53,431 --> 00:54:02,445
him to kill his friend and his
friend knew it was coming and

1126
00:54:02,465 --> 00:54:03,708
all he had to do was kind of
open his mouth for the sake of

1127
00:54:03,728 --> 00:54:03,889
the boy.

1128
00:54:03,889 --> 00:54:05,152
I don't even mean to save his
own hide, like I didn't expect

1129
00:54:05,192 --> 00:54:07,746
that from him, but it was just
for the sake of the boy.

1130
00:54:07,746 --> 00:54:13,297
Because even if bane offers to
take care of him I mean he just

1131
00:54:13,416 --> 00:54:17,797
watched what that, what kind of
man his dad is you know that

1132
00:54:17,876 --> 00:54:21,005
that can't be something you ever
want to to follow I don't think

1133
00:54:21,005 --> 00:54:24,773
that cad bane would have been
the type to gun down a childhood

1134
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:25,835
friend in the back.

1135
00:54:25,934 --> 00:54:29,568
Speaker 1: Even though he was a
deplorable character, he still.

1136
00:54:29,568 --> 00:54:35,128
He had that whole instance with
the Marshal and he had no

1137
00:54:35,228 --> 00:54:37,668
emotional connection to the
Marshal and the Marshal killed

1138
00:54:37,748 --> 00:54:38,250
his friend.

1139
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:43,347
So Laszlo, that was the guy
that originally had the hat and

1140
00:54:43,628 --> 00:54:47,960
even he went with the whole like
dual moment with that he could

1141
00:54:47,981 --> 00:54:50,728
have just easily just pulled his
gun and shot the marshal in

1142
00:54:50,748 --> 00:54:53,355
that instant, but no you a law
man.

1143
00:54:53,394 --> 00:54:56,628
Speaker 2: Now you trying to
make sense of these scripts yeah

1144
00:54:56,628 --> 00:55:01,157
, I don't know like even his
character is cool, though, like

1145
00:55:01,217 --> 00:55:05,431
I will say no, he's cold-hearted
and cool yeah like there's no

1146
00:55:05,610 --> 00:55:08,492
doubt about it, and just like
his entire vibe, even though he

1147
00:55:08,532 --> 00:55:13,146
kind of emulates Laszlo, his
entire vibe is very polished and

1148
00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:16,820
I will even go as far as to say
he probably outstripped

1149
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:21,155
Laszlo's ability to be a proper
gunslinger by the end.

1150
00:55:24,105 --> 00:55:25,929
Speaker 1: He definitely Cad
bane, definitely pulls off the

1151
00:55:25,951 --> 00:55:26,873
man with no name, vibes.

1152
00:55:26,913 --> 00:55:27,655
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the good.

1153
00:55:27,655 --> 00:55:28,378
What did you think of?

1154
00:55:28,378 --> 00:55:31,068
What did you think about his
like original name, colby?

1155
00:55:31,668 --> 00:55:32,831
Speaker 1: I feel like it was
believable.

1156
00:55:32,831 --> 00:55:36,166
Like you know, I think that cad
bane is very much so like an

1157
00:55:36,346 --> 00:55:36,766
alias.

1158
00:55:37,007 --> 00:55:40,672
Speaker 2: So the fact that his
name was colby before, like it

1159
00:55:40,733 --> 00:55:46,286
made sense to me I will say
colby is a a soft or a softer

1160
00:55:46,347 --> 00:55:50,195
name, you know, like a bobby, so
I could see him shortening it

1161
00:55:50,255 --> 00:55:52,965
to bob or, you know, cat in this
instance.

1162
00:55:52,965 --> 00:55:54,751
So it worked for me.

1163
00:55:54,751 --> 00:55:57,657
You know, one thing that I
really liked about this episode,

1164
00:55:57,657 --> 00:56:00,429
the one thing that really stuck
with me, you know they were,

1165
00:56:00,449 --> 00:56:01,329
they were when they were kids.

1166
00:56:01,329 --> 00:56:07,559
Colby and Nero were, you know,
going from dumpster to dumpster,

1167
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,347
from trash can to trash can,
pulling out like rotten fruit,

1168
00:56:10,427 --> 00:56:12,853
and they were really looking for
something juicy.

1169
00:56:12,853 --> 00:56:16,809
But in the end they got
something even better they got

1170
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:17,431
crunchies.

1171
00:56:17,431 --> 00:56:19,916
They got crunchies.

1172
00:56:19,916 --> 00:56:23,864
So in the honor of that, I
brought my own crunchies, I got

1173
00:56:23,903 --> 00:56:28,472
my candies here and you know,
usually we we like to, you know

1174
00:56:28,833 --> 00:56:32,786
suggest that you guys review our
podcast with the five star like

1175
00:56:32,786 --> 00:56:33,507
a juicy rating.

1176
00:56:33,507 --> 00:56:37,237
But today let's make a crunchy
in in honor of nero and the

1177
00:56:37,277 --> 00:56:38,306
crunchies that they ate.

1178
00:56:38,327 --> 00:56:39,472
It's like yeah, and the
crunchies that they ate, yeah,

1179
00:56:39,532 --> 00:56:42,565
and the crunchies that they ate
with that one little coin.

1180
00:56:42,724 --> 00:56:45,054
Speaker 3: That might be my
favorite Segway of all time.

1181
00:56:45,054 --> 00:56:49,817
I was like, yeah, okay, yeah,
they're going to the garbage.

1182
00:56:49,817 --> 00:56:52,264
I was like, oh, and then I saw
where it was going.

1183
00:56:52,264 --> 00:56:57,833
I want us to get advertisers on
the show solely for us, having

1184
00:56:57,893 --> 00:57:02,481
the most awkward Segways into
the e-commerce For us having the

1185
00:57:02,481 --> 00:57:03,802
most awkward segues into the
conversation.

1186
00:57:07,204 --> 00:57:09,827
Speaker 1: Speaking of, I think
that we could really knock out

1187
00:57:09,887 --> 00:57:10,208
advertising.

1188
00:57:10,208 --> 00:57:12,751
That was just a crazy segue
right there, Dakota.

1189
00:57:12,751 --> 00:57:16,516
To pretty much ask for ratings,
you know.

1190
00:57:17,518 --> 00:57:19,900
Speaker 2: Yes, please give us a
five-star Crunchy review, guys.

1191
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:24,067
Please make it crunchy this
week, guys.

1192
00:57:24,067 --> 00:57:27,432
Thank you so much for listening
to us here for our 120th

1193
00:57:27,592 --> 00:57:27,954
episode.

1194
00:57:27,954 --> 00:57:31,148
Before we end the show, I just
want to ask what did you guys

1195
00:57:31,188 --> 00:57:31,329
like?

1196
00:57:31,329 --> 00:57:33,420
Final thoughts what do you
think of tales of the underworld

1197
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:33,902
as a whole?

1198
00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:36,373
Speaker 3: rich, go ahead I had
a really good time with it.

1199
00:57:36,373 --> 00:57:39,324
I I still find myself sometimes
with the animation.

1200
00:57:39,324 --> 00:57:41,606
I don't know what it is about
my brain.

1201
00:57:41,606 --> 00:57:46,190
I need to watch it more than
once before I think I get fully

1202
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:46,891
engulfed in it.

1203
00:57:46,891 --> 00:57:53,255
I also think that I might have
enjoyed and this maybe speaks to

1204
00:57:53,255 --> 00:57:53,635
your point.

1205
00:57:53,635 --> 00:57:57,539
I may have enjoyed, say, the
Asajj Ventress just as one 45

1206
00:57:57,579 --> 00:57:58,199
minute episode.

1207
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,221
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.

1208
00:57:59,541 --> 00:58:03,304
Speaker 3: Because just that's
the way that one went Right.

1209
00:58:03,304 --> 00:58:05,831
One 45 minute episode, okay,
yeah, because just that's the

1210
00:58:05,851 --> 00:58:06,592
way that one went right.

1211
00:58:06,592 --> 00:58:08,518
I think sometimes the 15 minute
episodes are a little bit of a

1212
00:58:08,538 --> 00:58:09,420
viewing anomaly for me.

1213
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:13,449
I'm kind of almost past the
point where I I very rarely

1214
00:58:13,489 --> 00:58:17,398
watch anything that's under half
an hour, so it was almost kind

1215
00:58:17,425 --> 00:58:18,668
of jarring for me when they
ended.

1216
00:58:18,668 --> 00:58:21,775
But that's why why I ended up
rewatching them and honestly, I

1217
00:58:21,815 --> 00:58:22,356
really like them.

1218
00:58:22,356 --> 00:58:26,074
If you haven't seen them yet, I
would highly recommend sitting

1219
00:58:26,114 --> 00:58:26,436
down.

1220
00:58:26,436 --> 00:58:30,929
They're easily digestible and I
think that they give us a

1221
00:58:30,971 --> 00:58:34,800
little bit more into two really
interesting characters in the

1222
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:35,661
Star Wars universe.

1223
00:58:36,362 --> 00:58:37,025
Speaker 2: Anthony, what are
your thoughts?

1224
00:58:37,764 --> 00:58:40,931
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it
was a really cool you you know,

1225
00:58:41,193 --> 00:58:45,271
may 4th thing that they gave us
and I like that they're doing

1226
00:58:45,291 --> 00:58:47,197
this stuff it seems like yearly.

1227
00:58:47,197 --> 00:58:51,231
And yeah, like rich said, it
was cool to see two characters

1228
00:58:51,271 --> 00:58:52,697
that are definitely interesting.

1229
00:58:52,898 --> 00:58:56,309
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean,
obviously they both hold a

1230
00:58:56,349 --> 00:58:59,115
place in my heart because I mean
, you know how much I like clone

1231
00:58:59,115 --> 00:59:03,527
wars and so the fact that they
both originated from there and

1232
00:59:04,047 --> 00:59:07,255
we got more of them, yeah, man,
I thought it was awesome it was

1233
00:59:07,275 --> 00:59:10,530
a good time and you know, in the
moment when I'm watching these

1234
00:59:11,231 --> 00:59:14,865
new Star Wars, it's only after
the fact, you know, like when I

1235
00:59:14,945 --> 00:59:20,135
come to the podcast or I turn my
critical brain on after the

1236
00:59:20,197 --> 00:59:22,510
fact is when I kind of start
breaking it apart.

1237
00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:25,293
But in the moment I was totally
enjoying all this.

1238
00:59:25,293 --> 00:59:27,010
And that's not to say that it's
bad.

1239
00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:29,914
I don't think this was bad
storytelling by any means.

1240
00:59:29,914 --> 00:59:33,576
It just wasn't what I wanted
from the format, I guess.

1241
00:59:33,576 --> 00:59:38,909
So from that perspective I had
the issues and even to a lesser

1242
00:59:38,949 --> 00:59:40,896
degree, the Cad Bane story arc.

1243
00:59:40,896 --> 00:59:43,126
Even though it was three
separate stories that took place

1244
00:59:43,126 --> 00:59:46,851
over the course of years, they
all were one arc.

1245
00:59:46,851 --> 00:59:51,655
One story arc versus the Count
Dooku one and the Ahsoka one in

1246
00:59:51,675 --> 00:59:55,880
the first season of Tales of the
Jedi were completely separate

1247
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:56,621
stories each time.

1248
00:59:56,621 --> 00:59:59,244
But anyway, I don't want to
harp too much on that, that's

1249
00:59:59,264 --> 01:00:00,407
just my personal takeaway.

1250
01:00:00,748 --> 01:00:04,474
I do think that the Cad Bane
trilogy of stories far

1251
01:00:04,614 --> 01:00:07,018
outstripped the Asajj Ventress
one.

1252
01:00:07,018 --> 01:00:09,893
But Asajj Ventress for me is a
more.

1253
01:00:09,893 --> 01:00:13,333
I like Asajj Ventress as a
character more than I like Cad

1254
01:00:13,373 --> 01:00:13,574
Bane.

1255
01:00:13,574 --> 01:00:17,835
So I think I was probably
expecting more from that.

1256
01:00:17,835 --> 01:00:23,677
But I also find this issue
where a lot of times the bad

1257
01:00:23,717 --> 01:00:26,849
characters you know the enemies
in one film or the enemies in

1258
01:00:26,969 --> 01:00:30,657
one series end up becoming kind
of good guys.

1259
01:00:30,657 --> 01:00:31,746
And I don't.

1260
01:00:31,746 --> 01:00:34,954
That happens a lot in Star Wars
, like it happens quite a bit,

1261
01:00:35,295 --> 01:00:36,246
you know off the top of my head.

1262
01:00:36,246 --> 01:00:40,036
Boba Fett they made a whole
show about like the baddest

1263
01:00:40,297 --> 01:00:44,469
bounty hunter in the galaxy,
taking over a crime ring so that

1264
01:00:44,469 --> 01:00:45,090
he can do good.

1265
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:47,474
Speaker 3: He can do good by
this town, that's, that's his

1266
01:00:47,494 --> 01:00:52,773
goal yeah, and make it into
mandalorian season 2.5 yeah,

1267
01:00:52,932 --> 01:00:55,338
yeah, that was, that was
definitely you know, I mean, I

1268
01:00:55,358 --> 01:00:58,730
think it's, I think it's the
truth is, in almost any

1269
01:00:58,789 --> 01:01:03,958
storytelling right, the villain
can only be a villain for so

1270
01:01:04,018 --> 01:01:05,559
long before he's taken down.

1271
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:10,447
So if you want the villain to
keep being a character, you kind

1272
01:01:10,447 --> 01:01:13,635
of need to eventually have them
not be a villain.

1273
01:01:14,144 --> 01:01:17,152
Speaker 2: Well, that's also why
I'm a little bit wary of the

1274
01:01:17,652 --> 01:01:19,416
Darth Maul series that's coming
out.

1275
01:01:19,416 --> 01:01:20,077
It's called Maul.

1276
01:01:20,324 --> 01:01:20,547
A couple years ago.

1277
01:01:20,547 --> 01:01:21,449
They're making an animated
series called Maul series.

1278
01:01:21,449 --> 01:01:22,172
That's coming out.

1279
01:01:22,172 --> 01:01:22,313
It's called Maul.

1280
01:01:22,313 --> 01:01:22,789
A couple of years they're
making an animated series called

1281
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:27,916
Maul and that will obviously,
you know it'll take place with

1282
01:01:27,996 --> 01:01:28,257
Maul.

1283
01:01:28,257 --> 01:01:31,353
But yeah, eventually we're
going to see Maul become a much

1284
01:01:31,452 --> 01:01:34,664
more nuanced character and he is
already a nuanced character,

1285
01:01:34,945 --> 01:01:38,115
you know like he shows up quite
a bit in different mediums.

1286
01:01:38,115 --> 01:01:41,873
But yeah, I'm worried that,
like all of these characters

1287
01:01:41,914 --> 01:01:44,351
like now, asajj ventress is like
a good guy.

1288
01:01:44,351 --> 01:01:47,764
You have boba fett who's like
very clearly a good guy it just

1289
01:01:47,784 --> 01:01:48,326
happens a lot.

1290
01:01:48,326 --> 01:01:52,976
It's a trope that I I find not
unenjoyable, just something that

1291
01:01:52,976 --> 01:01:55,648
I'm noticing and it's a pattern
that I'm noticing that I'm just

1292
01:01:55,648 --> 01:01:57,532
like I don't want this to keep
happening.

1293
01:01:57,532 --> 01:02:01,590
So, yeah, and I think that's
kind of why I find andor

1294
01:02:01,851 --> 01:02:04,827
partially like I mean, it's it's
, it's a fantastic show, but

1295
01:02:04,867 --> 01:02:07,755
like the bad guys stay bad guys,
they're not turning around.

1296
01:02:07,755 --> 01:02:08,945
You know, like they're in too
deep.

1297
01:02:09,626 --> 01:02:14,275
Yeah, kyber, kyber, and he just
goes, goes down, you know, yeah,

1298
01:02:14,275 --> 01:02:18,568
so guys, again, thank you for
listening to us here for our

1299
01:02:18,708 --> 01:02:21,494
120th episode of Project Ecology
.

1300
01:02:21,494 --> 01:02:25,568
I have no idea what we're
covering next week, but did you

1301
01:02:25,588 --> 01:02:27,273
guys have any ideas as to what
we're covering?

1302
01:02:27,954 --> 01:02:28,657
Speaker 1: Not at the moment.

1303
01:02:29,304 --> 01:02:30,289
Speaker 3: Survey says no, sir.

1304
01:02:31,186 --> 01:02:34,353
Speaker 2: You will figure out
what we're covering next week by

1305
01:02:34,353 --> 01:02:34,855
listening.

1306
01:02:34,855 --> 01:02:35,786
You will.

1307
01:02:35,786 --> 01:02:36,489
It'll pop up.

1308
01:02:36,489 --> 01:02:38,835
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this podcast.

1309
01:02:38,835 --> 01:02:41,688
Put notifications on, and it'll
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1310
01:02:41,728 --> 01:02:45,077
cellular tablet device when
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1311
01:02:45,117 --> 01:02:45,597
information.

1312
01:02:45,597 --> 01:02:47,806
So good luck to you, guys.

1313
01:02:47,806 --> 01:02:49,891
If you want to check out any of
our socials, be sure to click

1314
01:02:49,992 --> 01:02:51,215
into the show notes down below.

1315
01:02:51,215 --> 01:02:54,771
And yeah, stay juicy, my
friends.

1316
01:02:55,606 --> 01:02:56,733
Speaker 1: Or stay crunchy.