1 00:00:01,163 --> 00:00:03,810 Speaker 1: Hey, big guys, sun's getting real low. 2 00:00:03,810 --> 00:00:10,492 That's what Sam should have said to Ross in Captain America 3 00:00:10,512 --> 00:00:10,993 Brave New World. 4 00:00:10,993 --> 00:00:13,147 Has he not seen Avengers? 5 00:00:13,147 --> 00:00:13,769 Age of Ultron? 6 00:00:13,769 --> 00:00:16,763 I mean, come on, this guy wants to be in Avengers. 7 00:00:16,763 --> 00:00:19,170 So bad, but he's not playing. 8 00:00:19,170 --> 00:00:21,765 But we're going to be talking about Captain America Brave New 9 00:00:21,806 --> 00:00:25,361 World, guys, for episode 123 of Project Geekology, we're going 10 00:00:25,381 --> 00:00:25,762 to get into it. 11 00:00:25,762 --> 00:00:27,748 We're going to get into the nitty gritty of what we liked, 12 00:00:27,868 --> 00:00:29,745 disliked, what worked, what didn't work. 13 00:00:29,745 --> 00:00:31,772 I'm one third of your hosts. 14 00:00:31,772 --> 00:00:32,615 My name is Dakota. 15 00:00:32,957 --> 00:00:36,164 Speaker 2: I'm joined, as always , with Anthony and joining us, 16 00:00:36,265 --> 00:00:37,146 as always is. 17 00:00:37,527 --> 00:00:40,993 Speaker 3: Rich, the guy who's also podcasting with Anthony and 18 00:00:40,993 --> 00:00:42,021 with Dakota. 19 00:00:42,021 --> 00:00:45,329 I just wanted to give people some exposition background to 20 00:00:45,691 --> 00:00:47,944 explain our relationship in case they forgot what our 21 00:00:47,984 --> 00:00:49,048 relationship was like before. 22 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,668 Speaker 1: It's a very difficult relationship to comprehend. 23 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,624 Speaker 3: I mean, we've been estranged for like a whole week, 24 00:00:53,624 --> 00:00:54,106 you know. 25 00:00:54,106 --> 00:00:55,929 So now we're back together. 26 00:00:55,929 --> 00:00:57,142 I mean, I don't know, maybe there's. 27 00:00:57,142 --> 00:00:58,667 Maybe there's a chance, maybe there's hope. 28 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:01,744 Speaker 1: There's definitely hope for our listeners to you 29 00:01:01,784 --> 00:01:03,689 know, understand and gel with gel with. 30 00:01:03,689 --> 00:01:07,882 You know our podcasting dynamic it's just three dudes, mostly 31 00:01:07,942 --> 00:01:13,632 white, and I'm in a basement and rich is in a basement. 32 00:01:14,914 --> 00:01:17,543 Speaker 2: How you guys been been pretty good, you know, just 33 00:01:17,543 --> 00:01:21,893 , uh, just doing my thing, man doing your thing, I don't like 34 00:01:21,933 --> 00:01:24,948 doing my thing I don't like to hear that we're gonna have to 35 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:28,085 touch back, touch base on you a little bit later. 36 00:01:28,406 --> 00:01:30,590 Speaker 1: Uh, rich, how you doing uh, pretty good. 37 00:01:31,012 --> 00:01:34,608 Speaker 3: I've been uh still grinding away at mlb the show, 38 00:01:34,709 --> 00:01:37,319 for I just feel like a zombie at this point. 39 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,667 I think I need to put it down there how far are you along in 40 00:01:40,808 --> 00:01:41,067 mlb? 41 00:01:41,087 --> 00:01:44,918 Speaker 1: the show like how, like percentage wise how many of 42 00:01:44,918 --> 00:01:47,263 the cards have you collected that you need to collect? 43 00:01:47,263 --> 00:01:48,105 What? 44 00:01:48,125 --> 00:01:48,746 Speaker 3: you want to collect. 45 00:01:48,746 --> 00:01:51,719 I don't know how it works so, like you, uh, one thing you can 46 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,143 do is you close out every team. 47 00:01:53,143 --> 00:02:00,435 So I've closed out like 24 franchises out of 30, so the 48 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:00,980 only ones. 49 00:02:01,081 --> 00:02:05,349 You know I don't spend any money , so that's one problem. 50 00:02:05,349 --> 00:02:13,528 And the other issue, like the otani card is 650 000 uh stubs 51 00:02:13,568 --> 00:02:14,490 they call it all right. 52 00:02:14,490 --> 00:02:16,774 Uh, I currently have 50. 53 00:02:16,774 --> 00:02:18,055 I've spent some. 54 00:02:18,055 --> 00:02:19,421 I bought juan soto. 55 00:02:19,421 --> 00:02:20,944 I bought, like you know, which. 56 00:02:20,944 --> 00:02:25,693 He was like 200 or no, he was 150, 000 stubs and I thought 57 00:02:25,733 --> 00:02:26,354 that was a lot. 58 00:02:26,354 --> 00:02:29,486 And then just, I looked to see iron judge and otani and they're 59 00:02:29,486 --> 00:02:31,670 upwards of 700 to 1000. 60 00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:34,687 I I don't know how I'm ever gonna get there until the prices 61 00:02:34,687 --> 00:02:38,901 drop on those cards is otani still the highest he's the 62 00:02:38,921 --> 00:02:40,644 highest rated regular card. 63 00:02:41,384 --> 00:02:43,669 They they had to kind of change the game around because last 64 00:02:43,688 --> 00:02:48,055 year they basically started releasing 99s way too early and 65 00:02:48,355 --> 00:02:50,058 so they had to kind of slow that down. 66 00:02:50,058 --> 00:02:53,366 So the cards that are coming out now are, you know, decent in 67 00:02:53,366 --> 00:02:56,372 power, but there's still a lot that's behind paywall stuff. 68 00:02:56,372 --> 00:02:59,310 And then you know, once you collect all those like regular 69 00:02:59,349 --> 00:03:03,301 cards, you trade them in for like a rare card and then that 70 00:03:03,361 --> 00:03:08,169 rare card goes into the set for each division and then each 71 00:03:08,289 --> 00:03:12,503 league and then the league overall, and then you can get 72 00:03:12,524 --> 00:03:16,343 the one card that's the top card in the game, and of course he's 73 00:03:16,343 --> 00:03:19,167 a New York Met, former New York Met, carlos Beltran. 74 00:03:19,167 --> 00:03:23,069 So here in the past the top card is not a Met. 75 00:03:23,229 --> 00:03:26,701 I don't care, I'm like I'm'm just gonna get my mets and I can 76 00:03:26,701 --> 00:03:30,509 forget about the rest of it because the top card is a met 77 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:35,127 this year I have to do everything in my power to get 78 00:03:35,187 --> 00:03:39,879 that card so beautiful that's it is um, you know, my season 79 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,073 doesn't really start until about june, uh, end of june, so once 80 00:03:44,112 --> 00:03:47,403 school's over and also charlie's going to school for two weeks 81 00:03:47,443 --> 00:03:52,538 in july, oh boy, oh boy, those are, uh, those are like eight, 82 00:03:52,598 --> 00:03:56,707 ten hour gaming days so, of the sevens, of the seven franchises 83 00:03:56,769 --> 00:04:00,222 that you have not completed, the dodgers, the yankees and the 84 00:04:00,262 --> 00:04:02,365 mets are among no. 85 00:04:03,387 --> 00:04:03,768 The Mets. 86 00:04:03,768 --> 00:04:08,014 I did everything I could to get that one done, basically as 87 00:04:08,054 --> 00:04:08,754 soon as possible. 88 00:04:09,264 --> 00:04:11,144 Speaker 1: So, like I, oh, so you have the top card. 89 00:04:11,506 --> 00:04:12,798 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got some of them. 90 00:04:13,401 --> 00:04:15,429 Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were still trying to. 91 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:17,305 Speaker 3: Oh, no, that's the one that I kind of sold 92 00:04:17,346 --> 00:04:18,069 everything out for. 93 00:04:18,069 --> 00:04:19,331 I just went hard for that card. 94 00:04:19,331 --> 00:04:20,300 I understand I understand, okay . 95 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:22,682 Speaker 1: Okay, so Yankees and Dodgers, you still have. 96 00:04:23,204 --> 00:04:24,886 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're, they're a pain. 97 00:04:24,906 --> 00:04:26,867 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I hear you, bro, I hear you. 98 00:04:27,149 --> 00:04:28,029 Speaker 3: If I just spent some money? 99 00:04:28,029 --> 00:04:32,214 If I just spent some money, I'd be no problem, but I can't look 100 00:04:32,214 --> 00:04:32,935 myself in the mirror. 101 00:04:37,620 --> 00:04:38,603 Speaker 1: You know, anthony, ever since Rich has joined the 102 00:04:38,622 --> 00:04:40,127 podcast this is, you know it's become a weekly recap of 103 00:04:40,307 --> 00:04:41,149 everything baseball. 104 00:04:41,149 --> 00:04:42,072 How do you feel? 105 00:04:47,379 --> 00:04:47,982 Speaker 2: I don of everything baseball. 106 00:04:47,982 --> 00:04:48,362 How do you feel? 107 00:04:48,362 --> 00:04:49,908 I don't know, you know, we, we might have to, uh, you know, 108 00:04:49,927 --> 00:04:51,232 separate you guys into a baseball podcast. 109 00:04:51,232 --> 00:04:51,552 You know? 110 00:04:52,276 --> 00:04:52,557 Speaker 3: and wait. 111 00:04:52,557 --> 00:04:55,665 Hold on, I'm gonna bring it back to geekdom because uh this 112 00:04:55,745 --> 00:04:55,985 week. 113 00:04:55,985 --> 00:04:58,911 You know what they gave out at city field three times. 114 00:04:58,911 --> 00:05:00,281 They gave it out three times. 115 00:05:00,281 --> 00:05:01,644 This is I've never. 116 00:05:01,644 --> 00:05:05,531 The item was so popular last year that people were lined up 117 00:05:05,591 --> 00:05:08,925 outside the stadium two hours before the game started. 118 00:05:08,925 --> 00:05:12,139 Their lines were starting, backed up to the subway and it 119 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,444 was for one hot item. 120 00:05:13,444 --> 00:05:16,495 Tell me hello kitty in a mets uniform. 121 00:05:16,495 --> 00:05:20,487 And they outdid themselves because this year they did it 122 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:25,596 three days in a row that's how about that, Anthony? 123 00:05:25,637 --> 00:05:26,319 That's pretty impressive. 124 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:26,841 Did that raise? 125 00:05:26,862 --> 00:05:27,927 Speaker 2: your interest in baseball. 126 00:05:27,927 --> 00:05:32,514 So was it just Hello Kitty or was it like the rest of the 127 00:05:33,136 --> 00:05:34,300 Sanrio ensemble? 128 00:05:34,661 --> 00:05:37,168 Speaker 3: Sadly, they do limit it to only Hello. 129 00:05:37,168 --> 00:05:40,625 So they did Hello Kitty, three days, bobbleheads and the New 130 00:05:40,665 --> 00:05:45,115 York City Connect jerseys, their third kind of jersey. 131 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:49,290 Speaker 2: Is this how you're going to try to pull Dakota into 132 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:49,812 the fold? 133 00:05:49,812 --> 00:05:55,870 Sadly, he has pulled my wife with this. 134 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:58,565 Speaker 1: Hello Kitty bobblehead yeah no he definitely 135 00:05:58,565 --> 00:05:58,766 has. 136 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:02,947 No, yeah, my wife was talking about the Hello Kitty bobblehead 137 00:06:02,947 --> 00:06:05,473 that he brought to work. 138 00:06:05,473 --> 00:06:08,908 I do want to talk a little bit about baseball because I'm a 139 00:06:09,028 --> 00:06:09,810 little bit salty. 140 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:14,507 This week we had a real as a Yankee fan. 141 00:06:14,507 --> 00:06:16,932 We had a really, really horrible game. 142 00:06:16,932 --> 00:06:21,389 It was a truly momentous upset. 143 00:06:21,389 --> 00:06:22,531 I got to bring it up, you know. 144 00:06:22,531 --> 00:06:23,252 I got to talk about it. 145 00:06:23,252 --> 00:06:26,365 So last year we lost the World Series. 146 00:06:26,365 --> 00:06:31,134 It was against the Dodgers and, as they do, they have a rematch 147 00:06:31,134 --> 00:06:35,028 somewhere down the line in the year and we got to face off 148 00:06:35,048 --> 00:06:35,932 against the Dodgers again. 149 00:06:35,932 --> 00:06:40,449 This year they won the series, but the last game in the series 150 00:06:40,548 --> 00:06:45,247 I think they won by like it was like 18 runs to two and the only 151 00:06:45,247 --> 00:06:48,363 two runs were like home runs from aaron judge, which is like 152 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:49,165 it's good. 153 00:06:49,165 --> 00:06:51,572 It's good for him, but it's it's just bad. 154 00:06:51,572 --> 00:06:56,507 It's a bad look for the team letting 18 runs through it was 155 00:06:56,548 --> 00:06:58,189 such that's crazy. 156 00:06:58,209 --> 00:07:02,624 Speaker 2: yeah, that like I mean, with the way like I've 157 00:07:02,663 --> 00:07:07,843 seen how scores in baseball are and it's, you know, it's very 158 00:07:07,903 --> 00:07:11,449 similar to, I guess it like sits . 159 00:07:11,449 --> 00:07:14,975 Maybe the scoring is a little bit above the amount that you 160 00:07:14,995 --> 00:07:19,322 would see in, maybe like soccer or hockey, but most of the time 161 00:07:19,382 --> 00:07:25,884 it's what like four, five you know, runs, yeah, five runs per 162 00:07:25,944 --> 00:07:27,370 team per game. 163 00:07:27,370 --> 00:07:27,831 Right. 164 00:07:28,139 --> 00:07:30,906 Speaker 1: So, like you know, if you're seeing anybody getting 165 00:07:31,067 --> 00:07:36,425 like 18 in baseball, like even I know that's crazy, that's a 166 00:07:36,485 --> 00:07:40,307 blowout, it's psychological yeah , not like the Yankees were 167 00:07:40,348 --> 00:07:43,379 psychologically like traumatized from the World Series, clearly 168 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,500 because there's literally not been a game this season where 169 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:52,093 they've gotten 16 less runs than the other team. 170 00:07:52,093 --> 00:07:53,540 It was bad, it was just really bad. 171 00:07:54,062 --> 00:07:55,507 Speaker 3: At least they did it on the road. 172 00:07:55,507 --> 00:08:00,545 I happened to go to a Red Sox game where they lost to the 173 00:08:01,307 --> 00:08:02,471 Toronto Blue Jays. 174 00:08:02,471 --> 00:08:06,069 I believe the score was 27-4. 175 00:08:06,069 --> 00:08:10,785 It got to the point where the Red Sox fans were cheering for 176 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:15,060 the Blue Jays to score more because they wanted to be there 177 00:08:15,139 --> 00:08:18,800 for the biggest blowout game in the history of baseball, you 178 00:08:18,819 --> 00:08:18,940 know. 179 00:08:18,980 --> 00:08:20,005 So at least you guys did it. 180 00:08:20,005 --> 00:08:23,048 Look, I mean, clearly I did mock a few people when I saw the 181 00:08:23,048 --> 00:08:28,084 score and the fact that Shoei Otani it seemed for about a 182 00:08:28,144 --> 00:08:31,028 couple seconds like nodded off, like he was so bored, like he 183 00:08:31,048 --> 00:08:33,269 had his arms on the like. 184 00:08:33,269 --> 00:08:37,794 He's on the bench or by the fence and he like put his head 185 00:08:37,914 --> 00:08:38,034 down. 186 00:08:38,075 --> 00:08:48,020 Speaker 1: Let's put it this way Shohei Otani from the Dodgers 187 00:08:48,041 --> 00:08:49,323 is now the leading home run hitter for the entire game, the 188 00:08:49,344 --> 00:08:51,828 entire baseball franchise, at 23 home runs this season, where 189 00:08:51,869 --> 00:08:54,173 Judge is now below him at 21. 190 00:08:54,173 --> 00:09:00,673 But Judge is still the best hitter in terms of just batting 191 00:09:00,732 --> 00:09:00,974 average. 192 00:09:00,974 --> 00:09:04,865 But that's yeah, anyway, let's just. 193 00:09:04,865 --> 00:09:05,969 I'm so sorry, guys. 194 00:09:05,969 --> 00:09:08,727 You guys have been listening to us like ramble for the past 195 00:09:08,847 --> 00:09:11,264 like eight minutes about baseball. 196 00:09:11,264 --> 00:09:12,568 We're going to cut it out. 197 00:09:12,568 --> 00:09:15,544 No more baseball, this podcast, rich, anything else you've been 198 00:09:15,544 --> 00:09:16,027 up to this week. 199 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:20,190 Speaker 3: That's really kind of just been focused on that. 200 00:09:20,190 --> 00:09:24,999 And yeah, since I'm limited, that's no more, no more Rich. 201 00:09:24,999 --> 00:09:26,048 Yeah, that, uh, and uh, yeah, since I'm limited, I that's no 202 00:09:26,006 --> 00:09:26,823 more, no more, yeah, no, that's it. 203 00:09:26,823 --> 00:09:31,173 I guess, uh, I'll just have to leave it, uh, you know, for for 204 00:09:31,214 --> 00:09:32,236 another time, for next week. 205 00:09:32,236 --> 00:09:35,043 It's a long season, boys, it's a long grind, don't worry, we'll 206 00:09:35,043 --> 00:09:40,153 be back, just like hambone hambone, the great hambino oh, 207 00:09:40,259 --> 00:09:41,263 okay, came back. 208 00:09:41,283 --> 00:09:42,205 Speaker 1: That's the last thing I'll do. 209 00:09:42,205 --> 00:09:45,111 This does tie into the Sandlot episode that we did a couple 210 00:09:45,152 --> 00:09:45,533 weeks back. 211 00:09:45,533 --> 00:09:51,568 They brought the great Hambino one of the characters from the 212 00:09:51,589 --> 00:09:55,293 Sandlot to a not a major league game, but a game. 213 00:09:55,293 --> 00:09:59,187 Yeah when he played with the Savannah Bananas. 214 00:09:59,187 --> 00:10:02,684 Yes, savannah Bananas A team I had not heard of before. 215 00:10:03,246 --> 00:10:04,070 Speaker 3: They're wild. 216 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:07,003 If you guys haven't seen anything, if you had not heard 217 00:10:06,931 --> 00:10:07,096 of before, they're wild. 218 00:10:07,096 --> 00:10:07,818 If you guys haven't seen anything, if you've never heard 219 00:10:07,748 --> 00:10:10,335 of the Savannah Bananas, you don't need to like baseball at 220 00:10:10,535 --> 00:10:12,125 all to enjoy their antics. 221 00:10:12,125 --> 00:10:17,349 I would sincerely recommend their games are sold out. 222 00:10:17,349 --> 00:10:19,360 They actually travel all over the country. 223 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,546 Their games are sold out. 224 00:10:20,546 --> 00:10:24,211 They basically play a hybrid baseball league. 225 00:10:24,211 --> 00:10:27,942 They're like the Harlemlem globetrotters they dance and 226 00:10:27,962 --> 00:10:32,191 they sing and there's mascots and and characters from the 227 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:34,241 sandlot just showing up randomly . 228 00:10:34,241 --> 00:10:35,847 So it's, it's really. 229 00:10:35,847 --> 00:10:36,389 It's different. 230 00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:38,216 It's not baseball, it's, it's an. 231 00:10:38,216 --> 00:10:41,445 It's an entertainment show that that is centered around the 232 00:10:41,485 --> 00:10:43,570 game of baseball loosely. 233 00:10:44,051 --> 00:10:45,413 Speaker 1: Rich, you're cut off again. 234 00:10:45,413 --> 00:10:47,325 Anthony, we're bringing it over to you. 235 00:10:47,325 --> 00:10:48,327 What have you been up to this week? 236 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:49,270 Speaker 2: All righty. 237 00:10:49,270 --> 00:10:54,058 So we're going to move from discussing baseball for eight 238 00:10:54,099 --> 00:10:57,679 minutes to discussing hockey for another eight minutes. 239 00:10:57,740 --> 00:10:58,725 Speaker 3: Yes, let's go. 240 00:11:01,044 --> 00:11:02,778 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the Florida Panthers. 241 00:11:02,778 --> 00:11:09,471 They're in the Stanley Cup for the third time in a row. 242 00:11:10,073 --> 00:11:10,594 Speaker 1: Are they actually? 243 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:12,644 Speaker 2: They're the only Florida team that's repping. 244 00:11:12,644 --> 00:11:18,027 You know any talent, honestly, I mean so really like nothing 245 00:11:18,147 --> 00:11:19,311 crazy going on this week. 246 00:11:19,311 --> 00:11:24,669 You know watching this movie for a second time, you know mean 247 00:11:24,669 --> 00:11:26,833 we'll, we'll talk about it later, but hold on. 248 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,793 Speaker 1: Anthony I, I I distinctly remember you texting 249 00:11:29,832 --> 00:11:32,000 the group chat that you were going to see another movie this 250 00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:34,908 week no, no no I didn't see anything. 251 00:11:34,969 --> 00:11:35,370 Speaker 2: Now it's okay. 252 00:11:35,370 --> 00:11:36,472 Yeah, man. 253 00:11:36,472 --> 00:11:41,663 Uh, you know this ties into another episode that we did a 254 00:11:41,703 --> 00:11:42,365 while back. 255 00:11:42,884 --> 00:11:44,668 Speaker 1: Uh this is pre-rich lilo and steech. 256 00:11:45,089 --> 00:11:48,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we did watch. 257 00:11:48,693 --> 00:11:52,340 Uh, I did watch lilo and steech and and when you, when you had 258 00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:54,870 mentioned the end, I was like you know, we're getting towards 259 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:58,022 the end, I'm like this is pretty much the same thing until like 260 00:11:58,062 --> 00:12:01,967 the end and happened, and I was like, okay, you know, I, I can, 261 00:12:02,208 --> 00:12:05,734 I can see like where, where, like some of the gripes were 262 00:12:05,793 --> 00:12:09,806 with that, but I mean, other than that, for the most part, I 263 00:12:09,846 --> 00:12:12,732 think that they did a pretty decent job with, like the rest 264 00:12:12,820 --> 00:12:16,950 of the movie what I'll say about the the end of the live action 265 00:12:16,990 --> 00:12:23,368 lilo and steech um I can't keep it going, because that's what we 266 00:12:23,368 --> 00:12:28,081 called it so, uh, background for those of you who don't know, 267 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:30,607 if you haven't listened to our lilo and siege episode, we 268 00:12:30,628 --> 00:12:32,922 pronounce it lilo and siege throughout the entire episode 269 00:12:33,202 --> 00:12:38,693 pretty much, and for some reason it was huge with friends, with 270 00:12:38,754 --> 00:12:43,269 with french audiences, like he uh it got like 900 a thousand 271 00:12:43,328 --> 00:12:46,802 views or listens in French within the first week it was 272 00:12:46,842 --> 00:12:47,667 bonkers in France. 273 00:12:48,801 --> 00:12:51,889 Yeah, that's how they also pronounce it Lilo and Steech it 274 00:12:51,928 --> 00:12:52,330 must be. 275 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:55,163 Speaker 1: Anyway, lilo and Steech, what I will say about 276 00:12:55,202 --> 00:12:58,091 the ending of that movie without spoiling anything. 277 00:12:58,091 --> 00:13:02,402 If you see that on paper, if you see that written online what 278 00:13:02,402 --> 00:13:06,782 the ending changed it to, without like the context of the, 279 00:13:06,782 --> 00:13:09,568 the way that the movie handles it, I can totally see why you 280 00:13:09,589 --> 00:13:13,548 would be really upset by that and, um, you know, be angry 281 00:13:13,587 --> 00:13:14,652 about it online and all that. 282 00:13:14,652 --> 00:13:18,682 But it's definitely the best possible ending for that movie 283 00:13:19,143 --> 00:13:20,284 within the context of it. 284 00:13:20,284 --> 00:13:21,948 So I mean, do you agree with that, anthony? 285 00:13:22,048 --> 00:13:27,739 Speaker 2: I um, I mean they could have gone the original 286 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:32,548 route and it still would have like made sense, but I I mean 287 00:13:32,950 --> 00:13:35,000 what they were kind of presenting like throughout the 288 00:13:35,061 --> 00:13:35,542 movie. 289 00:13:35,542 --> 00:13:38,808 It was kind of headed towards that way. 290 00:13:38,808 --> 00:13:41,682 You know, I mean dakota and I are kind of dancing around it, 291 00:13:41,701 --> 00:13:44,048 because I don't think you haven't seen it right, rich. 292 00:13:44,048 --> 00:13:46,995 Oh, I read about it, oh yeah, I spoke myself. 293 00:13:47,134 --> 00:13:49,746 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't think it's worth spoiling 294 00:13:49,746 --> 00:13:53,441 the audience, cause it is like if you hear it from us it'll 295 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,326 sound worse than it actually is. 296 00:13:55,366 --> 00:14:08,561 Speaker 2: Just see it for yourself, it's it's actually not 297 00:14:08,561 --> 00:14:09,062 like most of most. 298 00:14:09,062 --> 00:14:10,927 It hit pretty much like most of the beats and there were enough 299 00:14:10,927 --> 00:14:12,292 changes to make it feel like fresh enough that uh, yeah, that 300 00:14:12,292 --> 00:14:15,321 I mean I I feel like it could have ended the the original way 301 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,231 and it still would have made sense, but they were kind of 302 00:14:18,312 --> 00:14:21,682 like going the route of that ending like throughout the movie 303 00:14:21,682 --> 00:14:21,682 . 304 00:14:21,682 --> 00:14:24,789 So I mean, but I mean overall I enjoyed it. 305 00:14:24,789 --> 00:14:26,721 I thought it was a fun movie. 306 00:14:26,721 --> 00:14:31,750 It there was a lot of like heartfelt moments in it and, you 307 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:36,523 know it, it still had, I I would say like what, what kind 308 00:14:36,562 --> 00:14:40,610 of like what you were saying about, like you know it being a 309 00:14:40,672 --> 00:14:43,884 potential, like you know, good live action. 310 00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:49,852 I mean, when you think about the last, I think maybe few live 311 00:14:49,852 --> 00:14:52,426 actions that they've had, they've just really missed the 312 00:14:52,485 --> 00:14:52,687 mark. 313 00:14:52,687 --> 00:15:00,192 But this one at least does well enough to capture the story and 314 00:15:00,192 --> 00:15:01,695 keep it fresh. 315 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,044 Speaker 1: I totally agree. 316 00:15:04,044 --> 00:15:09,542 As far as what I've been up to this past week, I feel like I 317 00:15:09,663 --> 00:15:12,649 did something that's worthy of being discussed in this show, 318 00:15:13,912 --> 00:15:16,879 and I've been wrecking my brain for the past five, ten minutes 319 00:15:16,899 --> 00:15:18,322 because I knew my turn was coming up. 320 00:15:18,322 --> 00:15:22,956 But I can't remember and it'll probably pop up in my head as 321 00:15:22,996 --> 00:15:23,919 I'm editing this episode. 322 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:24,822 Speaker 3: Marvel timeline. 323 00:15:26,491 --> 00:15:28,418 Speaker 1: I didn't have anything crazy going on. 324 00:15:28,418 --> 00:15:33,434 Some news for those of you who watch Doctor who we have a new 325 00:15:33,515 --> 00:15:33,876 doctor. 326 00:15:33,876 --> 00:15:38,842 It's not Chudi got one anymore, it's uh potentially billy piper 327 00:15:38,842 --> 00:15:43,414 , who was a who played rose, was the original companion of the 328 00:15:43,836 --> 00:15:44,397 ninth doctor. 329 00:15:44,397 --> 00:15:46,601 So very crazy uh news. 330 00:15:46,601 --> 00:15:48,712 I'm not sure if I like it, um I don't. 331 00:15:48,732 --> 00:15:52,441 Yeah, I saw that I, I don't know , I don't know what they're 332 00:15:52,461 --> 00:15:52,982 doing over there. 333 00:15:52,982 --> 00:15:55,936 I haven't been watching uh doctor who for a couple seasons, 334 00:15:55,936 --> 00:15:57,941 so I'm, I'm, I'm definitely behind. 335 00:15:57,941 --> 00:16:00,595 I, I missed pretty much the entirety of the shooty got web, 336 00:16:01,096 --> 00:16:05,014 uh, you know thing for, except for like two, two episodes maybe 337 00:16:05,014 --> 00:16:10,027 , but yeah, dude, I missed most of after capaldi. 338 00:16:10,067 --> 00:16:13,313 Speaker 2: I think I watched like a couple episodes after him 339 00:16:13,313 --> 00:16:17,981 and yeah, that was it yeah, I didn't stick with it yeah, rich. 340 00:16:18,022 --> 00:16:20,672 Speaker 3: I don't know if you watch doctor who at all, but um 341 00:16:21,573 --> 00:16:26,341 no, I I do know, you know, I know the broad strokes of what 342 00:16:26,381 --> 00:16:26,643 it is. 343 00:16:26,643 --> 00:16:31,217 I know that david tenet was a doctor who I believe, if that's 344 00:16:31,298 --> 00:16:31,577 correct. 345 00:16:31,577 --> 00:16:36,592 I know there's the targus and I know like that much essentially 346 00:16:36,592 --> 00:16:36,592 . 347 00:16:36,592 --> 00:16:41,293 I kind of in my head it's kind of like a quantum leap, but he 348 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:48,099 gets to pick where he goes and yeah, somewhat I never sunk my 349 00:16:48,139 --> 00:16:51,684 teeth into it and then generally I've heard. 350 00:16:51,705 --> 00:16:52,509 Speaker 1: It's an interesting premise. 351 00:16:52,509 --> 00:16:55,149 Yeah, it's an interesting premise. 352 00:16:55,149 --> 00:17:01,554 It's basically like he's an alien who, uh, can travel 353 00:17:01,595 --> 00:17:05,442 through time and space with the tardis and he picks up strays, 354 00:17:05,923 --> 00:17:09,895 most normally from earth, um, strays meaning like companions 355 00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:11,459 and you know they. 356 00:17:11,459 --> 00:17:14,351 They go on little adventures and some of them are really 357 00:17:14,372 --> 00:17:15,693 crazy, some of them are really corny. 358 00:17:15,693 --> 00:17:17,698 Some of them are really corny, some of them are, I don't know. 359 00:17:17,698 --> 00:17:20,609 Anyway, there's some really good episodes in there and 360 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:23,279 there's some really not good episodes in there. 361 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:25,498 But that's kind of the joy of the series. 362 00:17:25,498 --> 00:17:28,259 It's not, like you know, excellent every week. 363 00:17:28,259 --> 00:17:30,518 It's kind of like pick and choose what you like. 364 00:17:30,518 --> 00:17:33,578 But yeah, I haven't watched. 365 00:17:33,578 --> 00:17:46,353 I watched the first season of Jodie whittaker. 366 00:17:46,353 --> 00:17:47,095 The, the first female doctors run. 367 00:17:47,095 --> 00:17:48,539 Oh and when, when, when one of the doctor dies, they are reborn 368 00:17:48,539 --> 00:17:49,943 into a new actor, basically, which has kept the show's 369 00:17:49,963 --> 00:17:51,027 longevity for 50 plus 60 plus years. 370 00:17:51,047 --> 00:17:51,568 Speaker 3: Yeah, say that again. 371 00:17:51,568 --> 00:17:54,661 Like dax from uh curzon, dax from the space nine, like they 372 00:17:54,681 --> 00:17:57,676 just keep like the, so they have all the memories of, like the 373 00:17:57,718 --> 00:17:59,431 previous doctor who? 374 00:17:59,431 --> 00:18:01,255 Or are they completely like reborn? 375 00:18:01,275 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: yeah, tabla rasa yeah , I guess it is a little bit 376 00:18:03,601 --> 00:18:04,001 like dax. 377 00:18:04,001 --> 00:18:05,272 Yeah, a little bit. 378 00:18:05,272 --> 00:18:07,458 Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a new, it's like a literal 379 00:18:07,577 --> 00:18:11,814 reincarnation of the character oh, but um yeah, yeah it's, it's 380 00:18:11,814 --> 00:18:18,547 interesting, but anyway, um, they recast the doctor as one of 381 00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:25,442 the previous companions from 15 , almost 20 years ago at this 382 00:18:25,502 --> 00:18:29,997 point, and it was very random, so nobody really knows. 383 00:18:29,997 --> 00:18:32,140 Oh no, it was 20 years ago because 2005,. 384 00:18:32,140 --> 00:18:37,182 Yeah, 2005 was the first episode of the reboot of Doctor 385 00:18:37,201 --> 00:18:37,281 who. 386 00:18:37,611 --> 00:18:40,579 Speaker 2: Wow, 20 years ago that I mean so that that wasn't 387 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,576 the first time that they had pulled a previous like actor 388 00:18:43,636 --> 00:18:47,553 from the show, because, remember , peter capaldi was like in a 389 00:18:47,613 --> 00:18:51,780 previous episode, like he was um , he was in like that pompeii 390 00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:54,954 episode, but this one was way different because this was like 391 00:18:54,994 --> 00:18:55,938 an actual. 392 00:18:55,938 --> 00:19:00,953 This was a main character, right, this was a main um and 393 00:19:01,015 --> 00:19:05,707 like she, she was around like during, during, it's like it's 394 00:19:05,747 --> 00:19:09,194 infancy, yeah, the first couple seasons, yeah yeah, she was up, 395 00:19:09,234 --> 00:19:12,401 she was in it and during its upswing, so so it's. 396 00:19:12,521 --> 00:19:16,936 Speaker 1: it's a weird choice to um promote that she is going 397 00:19:16,977 --> 00:19:20,663 to be the next Doctor, but I don't think that she actually is 398 00:19:20,663 --> 00:19:23,419 based on the credits of that episode. 399 00:19:23,419 --> 00:19:27,417 It did never say that, you know , introducing Billy Piper as the 400 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:32,336 Doctor, which for the entirety of like since Christopher 401 00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:36,146 Eccleston, david Tennant, matt Smith, capaldi Whitaker and 402 00:19:36,166 --> 00:19:40,571 Shudy Gatwa, they have all said introducing this actor as the 403 00:19:40,612 --> 00:19:43,422 Doctor, and in the credits of this it just said introducing 404 00:19:43,602 --> 00:19:44,586 Billy Piper. 405 00:19:44,586 --> 00:19:48,075 So I think it's just a gimmick to get people involved and 406 00:19:48,276 --> 00:19:49,137 they're going to backtrack it. 407 00:19:49,137 --> 00:19:50,160 But we'll see. 408 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,733 I do hope that she is not the Doctor, just because I don't 409 00:19:53,954 --> 00:19:58,603 want any more gimmick stuff going into the show. 410 00:19:58,603 --> 00:19:59,325 It doesn't make any sense. 411 00:19:59,325 --> 00:20:01,298 It kind of annoys me. 412 00:20:01,298 --> 00:20:02,635 Anyway, I'm not going to dwell on it. 413 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:08,042 Guys, we're talking about a MCU title this week. 414 00:20:08,042 --> 00:20:10,477 We don't talk about MCU too much on Project Ecology. 415 00:20:11,038 --> 00:20:12,021 Speaker 2: Rich, you've never talked about it. 416 00:20:12,021 --> 00:20:12,784 We do from time to time. 417 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:14,451 Speaker 1: We do from time to time. 418 00:20:14,451 --> 00:20:18,517 Yes, I don't know, Honestly, probably less than five times 419 00:20:18,616 --> 00:20:20,599 we've done an MCU title Rich. 420 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:24,163 I think this is the first time you've talked about an MCU title 421 00:20:24,163 --> 00:20:24,163 . 422 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:31,945 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I think this is the first one, so I'm 423 00:20:32,007 --> 00:20:32,650 pretty excited. 424 00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:34,960 I'm not sure if you guys know much about the MCU Dakota. 425 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,242 Do you have a lot of familiarity with, like, how 426 00:20:37,343 --> 00:20:38,203 things are laid out? 427 00:20:38,203 --> 00:20:39,445 I don't. 428 00:20:41,676 --> 00:20:44,738 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what year this takes place. 429 00:20:44,738 --> 00:20:48,815 I couldn't tell you how many months it's been since. 430 00:20:49,381 --> 00:20:51,167 Speaker 3: I saw a date, I thought I got president. 431 00:20:51,854 --> 00:20:53,990 Speaker 1: Thaddeus Ross was inaugurated as president. 432 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:57,915 I couldn't tell you how long Sam has been Captain America no, 433 00:20:57,915 --> 00:21:00,105 no, I couldn't tell you how long Sam has been Captain 434 00:21:00,144 --> 00:21:04,759 America no, no, I do happen to know a little bit about the MCU. 435 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:06,672 I'll be honest, anthony. 436 00:21:06,672 --> 00:21:08,700 What's your relationship to the MCU? 437 00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:11,234 Speaker 2: My relationship to the MCU. 438 00:21:11,234 --> 00:21:16,617 Oh man, I don't know, it's a semi-fan. 439 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:18,111 Speaker 3: That's fair. 440 00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:19,792 Speaker 2: No, I was a fan. 441 00:21:19,792 --> 00:21:25,058 I would say I was a fan until after Endgame and then now it's 442 00:21:25,098 --> 00:21:31,026 just been a rollercoaster of semi-good things to really bad 443 00:21:31,086 --> 00:21:31,506 things. 444 00:21:32,151 --> 00:21:34,498 Speaker 1: I'm going through the list of topics that we've 445 00:21:34,538 --> 00:21:35,401 covered in the past. 446 00:21:35,401 --> 00:21:38,837 We've actually covered quite a bit of, you know, I would say, 447 00:21:38,958 --> 00:21:45,332 recent MCU ish titles Our second episode, sorry, our third 448 00:21:45,393 --> 00:21:46,939 episode we did Black Panther. 449 00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:48,777 Speaker 3: When did you guys do Love and Thunder? 450 00:21:48,777 --> 00:21:50,546 That's a good question, have we ? 451 00:21:50,566 --> 00:21:51,348 Speaker 1: not done, love and Thunder. 452 00:21:52,211 --> 00:21:54,941 Speaker 2: Because I don't think that movie really exists. 453 00:21:54,941 --> 00:21:55,711 We did. 454 00:21:55,791 --> 00:21:57,137 Speaker 1: Falcon and the Winter Soldier. 455 00:21:57,891 --> 00:22:01,634 Speaker 2: We did, we did, we did one division shang chi. 456 00:22:02,095 --> 00:22:05,161 Speaker 1: What if eternal spider-man no way home? 457 00:22:05,161 --> 00:22:06,442 I'm just going through the list . 458 00:22:06,442 --> 00:22:07,211 Hold on hold, on hold. 459 00:22:07,211 --> 00:22:10,097 On guardians of the galaxy, volume three, we skipped the 460 00:22:10,138 --> 00:22:10,599 first two. 461 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:14,180 Third one is a good one and I believe that was the last one, 462 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:16,228 except for, uh, deadpool and wolverine. 463 00:22:16,228 --> 00:22:19,415 I think that was deadpool and wolverine was the last one that 464 00:22:19,457 --> 00:22:19,696 we did. 465 00:22:19,717 --> 00:22:21,962 Speaker 3: I don't think we did a wandavision one actually yeah, 466 00:22:21,962 --> 00:22:24,515 I'm pretty sure we did, did we? 467 00:22:24,595 --> 00:22:26,338 Speaker 2: I feel like we did all right. 468 00:22:26,338 --> 00:22:28,262 Well, that's a mandela, that's. 469 00:22:28,303 --> 00:22:29,932 Speaker 1: That's the mandela effect going on. 470 00:22:29,932 --> 00:22:31,237 Guys, what uh? 471 00:22:31,237 --> 00:22:33,020 Is this the first time you're watching this movie? 472 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:35,173 Is this the second time or the third time you're watching this 473 00:22:35,192 --> 00:22:35,472 movie? 474 00:22:35,613 --> 00:22:37,936 Speaker 3: for me it was the first time I saw it in theaters 475 00:22:38,617 --> 00:22:42,242 and I I think I had pre-seen it in theaters. 476 00:22:42,242 --> 00:22:43,404 Then I saw it in theaters. 477 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:47,036 Then I watched it two times before this episode two times. 478 00:22:47,436 --> 00:22:48,940 Speaker 1: Okay, anthony, hit it . 479 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:50,182 How many times have you seen um ? 480 00:22:50,182 --> 00:22:51,271 Yeah? 481 00:22:51,491 --> 00:22:56,378 Speaker 2: I had ended up seeing it in theaters and, yeah, this 482 00:22:56,398 --> 00:23:00,345 was like my second time, I think seeing that movie in theaters 483 00:23:00,444 --> 00:23:04,578 is what kind of like just derailed me from even caring 484 00:23:04,618 --> 00:23:08,976 about seeing an mcu movie in the theaters now okay, yeah, I, I 485 00:23:09,036 --> 00:23:11,942 was already a little bit derailed prior to this movie. 486 00:23:12,464 --> 00:23:14,714 Speaker 1: There's never been an mcu movie where I didn't see it 487 00:23:14,714 --> 00:23:15,518 twice in theaters. 488 00:23:15,518 --> 00:23:18,971 But uh, this was the first one, because I hadn't seen it at all 489 00:23:18,971 --> 00:23:19,491 in theaters. 490 00:23:19,491 --> 00:23:23,278 I, I just didn't care anymore, I guess. 491 00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:26,672 Um, so this was, this was the first and only time I've seen 492 00:23:26,692 --> 00:23:29,579 this movie, so I'm, I'm, I'm riding on gut instincts, 493 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:29,921 basically. 494 00:23:29,921 --> 00:23:31,892 Basically, anthony, tell me your thoughts. 495 00:23:31,892 --> 00:23:36,559 You said that this movie derailed you from the MCU. 496 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,263 Was there any positives to this ? 497 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:44,260 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there is some positives to it. 498 00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:51,138 I mean I do like Anthony Mackie and I do like Sebastian Stan. 499 00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:53,309 I do like their characters. 500 00:23:53,309 --> 00:23:56,979 I just feel like they. 501 00:23:56,979 --> 00:23:58,082 I don't know. 502 00:23:58,082 --> 00:24:01,257 I just feel like the writers wrote themselves into a corner 503 00:24:01,317 --> 00:24:03,762 and now they just don't know how to write themselves out of the 504 00:24:03,803 --> 00:24:04,002 corner. 505 00:24:04,002 --> 00:24:06,839 They just don't know what they're doing. 506 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:11,978 They just are kind of trying to I don't know. 507 00:24:11,978 --> 00:24:16,444 It's like the DC effect is happening to them. 508 00:24:16,444 --> 00:24:17,891 They're trying to rush things. 509 00:24:17,891 --> 00:24:19,311 It's like the DC effect is happening to them. 510 00:24:19,311 --> 00:24:20,292 They're trying to rush things. 511 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:21,894 Honestly, to tell you the truth , I'm more excited to see 512 00:24:21,913 --> 00:24:24,757 Superman than I am any MCU movie that's coming out. 513 00:24:25,156 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll touch back on that point 514 00:24:27,499 --> 00:24:27,778 later. 515 00:24:27,778 --> 00:24:30,582 Rich, what are your thoughts when you saw this movie? 516 00:24:30,582 --> 00:24:33,084 Like dislike, middling. 517 00:24:33,084 --> 00:24:34,884 Where do you land? 518 00:24:35,365 --> 00:24:36,686 Speaker 3: So I saw it with my son. 519 00:24:36,686 --> 00:24:37,186 He's 10. 520 00:24:37,186 --> 00:24:40,132 It's funny. 521 00:24:40,132 --> 00:24:42,516 Last night I told him that we were going to be recording, so I 522 00:24:42,516 --> 00:24:48,063 asked him what he thought and he summed it up as the movie was 523 00:24:48,063 --> 00:24:48,243 good. 524 00:24:48,243 --> 00:24:55,261 It had some cool effects, but the stakes weren't really high 525 00:24:55,281 --> 00:24:56,028 for me and I didn't really care. 526 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:59,590 But I like all the characters and I think that that's kind of 527 00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:02,056 I'm I'm not sure. 528 00:25:02,777 --> 00:25:05,903 I almost feel like I'm echoing anthony in this, but I don't 529 00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:08,701 think I am, because I think, anthony, you enjoy going to the 530 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:09,324 movie theater. 531 00:25:09,324 --> 00:25:11,111 You enjoy the experience a lot more than I do. 532 00:25:11,111 --> 00:25:15,181 I've gotten to the point where I find watching movie at home so 533 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,752 I can pause and go to the bathroom honestly so much more 534 00:25:17,772 --> 00:25:18,294 enjoyable. 535 00:25:18,294 --> 00:25:22,321 Now that I have a son, that as well. 536 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:23,624 It's just easier. 537 00:25:23,624 --> 00:25:25,424 I don't have to go grab anything for him or miss any of 538 00:25:25,444 --> 00:25:27,866 the movie, because then I get there late and he's got to get 539 00:25:27,926 --> 00:25:30,830 in there and my wife tends to knock out during the movies, so 540 00:25:30,912 --> 00:25:32,538 I spend some of the time waking her up. 541 00:25:32,538 --> 00:25:34,798 It's easier to keep her awake if we're at home. 542 00:25:34,798 --> 00:25:44,534 So for me the movie going experience has become a little 543 00:25:44,554 --> 00:25:45,698 bit more laborious and that means that I really don't. 544 00:25:45,698 --> 00:25:46,862 I want to go to the movies generally for something that I 545 00:25:46,883 --> 00:25:48,186 know I'm going to really enjoy or something that's going to be 546 00:25:48,207 --> 00:25:48,268 big. 547 00:25:48,268 --> 00:25:50,436 And I think that at first the marvel movies were all that. 548 00:25:50,436 --> 00:25:53,169 For a very long time in my life those were the movies that I 549 00:25:53,229 --> 00:25:54,792 went out to see every single time. 550 00:25:54,792 --> 00:25:57,939 And now I am picking and choosing. 551 00:25:57,939 --> 00:26:01,112 I remember I didn't go see a multiverse of madness in 552 00:26:01,132 --> 00:26:01,512 theaters. 553 00:26:01,512 --> 00:26:04,778 I was okay, just uh, watching it from home. 554 00:26:04,778 --> 00:26:09,174 When it came out, I, you know a lot of it's just fomo, it's. 555 00:26:09,174 --> 00:26:12,403 It got to the point where it's not that I wanted to see the 556 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:15,617 movies, it's that I didn't want to fall behind on what was 557 00:26:15,718 --> 00:26:16,601 happening in the movie. 558 00:26:16,601 --> 00:26:18,656 And I think that this is kind of the same thing. 559 00:26:18,656 --> 00:26:21,799 Like, look, put this on Disney and I'm totally cool. 560 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:26,492 Like you know, I don't have to go out to the theater, I would 561 00:26:26,532 --> 00:26:26,894 enjoy it. 562 00:26:26,894 --> 00:26:29,290 You know I'd be like, oh, that was a nice little movie, you 563 00:26:29,351 --> 00:26:31,989 know, whereas I'll be honest, and we haven't talked about it 564 00:26:32,028 --> 00:26:34,940 yet, but I don't think you've seen it, dakota. 565 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:39,773 I don't think you've seen it, dakota, but thunderbolts I liked 566 00:26:39,773 --> 00:26:40,194 a lot more, you know. 567 00:26:40,194 --> 00:26:40,836 And like I would have said, okay. 568 00:26:40,836 --> 00:26:42,762 I'm almost okay with spending the money on that kind of like. 569 00:26:42,762 --> 00:26:44,934 I did with guardians the first time. 570 00:26:44,934 --> 00:26:47,020 I was like I don't really know this group, but I'm going to 571 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,570 take a chance and see. 572 00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:50,232 You know how I like them together. 573 00:26:50,232 --> 00:26:52,655 And so this was. 574 00:26:53,217 --> 00:26:56,119 It felt like it was lacking something. 575 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,086 It, the the antagonist, is a little muddied and unclear and 576 00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:04,434 kind of obfuscated. 577 00:27:04,434 --> 00:27:08,001 So I think that my 10 year old's assessment of the lack of 578 00:27:08,041 --> 00:27:13,199 a threat being it didn't really ever feel like there was no 579 00:27:13,259 --> 00:27:13,599 point. 580 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,251 We were talking about this a couple weeks ago when we, uh, 581 00:27:16,332 --> 00:27:18,738 when we were talking about you know and or like, there were 582 00:27:18,778 --> 00:27:21,323 points where I was on the edge of my seat like, oh, my goodness 583 00:27:21,323 --> 00:27:24,240 , and this is supposed to be an edge of you know political 584 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,714 thriller, and there was never a time where I was worried about 585 00:27:27,835 --> 00:27:28,257 anybody. 586 00:27:28,257 --> 00:27:31,328 I wasn't worried about anything happening ross, I wasn't 587 00:27:31,368 --> 00:27:33,211 worried about anything with cap. 588 00:27:33,211 --> 00:27:33,991 I wasn't. 589 00:27:33,991 --> 00:27:37,994 You know, there was nobody, no, even Joaquin. 590 00:27:37,994 --> 00:27:39,675 Why am I calling him Redbird? 591 00:27:39,675 --> 00:27:41,458 I can't the Falcon? 592 00:27:41,458 --> 00:27:45,721 He, like you know, I wasn't worried about him. 593 00:27:45,721 --> 00:27:48,182 I was like, oh no, he's going to be fine. 594 00:27:49,403 --> 00:27:50,183 Speaker 1: There was no. 595 00:27:50,183 --> 00:27:52,605 Oh no, he's out of this match. 596 00:27:52,605 --> 00:27:53,807 He'll be in the next one. 597 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:02,830 Speaker 3: Yeah, next one, yeah, like I didn't. 598 00:28:02,830 --> 00:28:04,334 I I think that maybe if we would have gotten more than ross 599 00:28:04,334 --> 00:28:05,836 telling cap I want you to reform the avengers, right, like 600 00:28:05,836 --> 00:28:10,451 if we would have had some movement towards that, maybe at 601 00:28:10,491 --> 00:28:14,199 the end you get a couple of other people showing up uh, yeah 602 00:28:14,199 --> 00:28:17,753 , is that like cameoing us so that it's more exciting? 603 00:28:17,753 --> 00:28:19,720 Yeah, and guess and guess what, I don't care. 604 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,500 Like these are supposed to be steps to the bigger movie. 605 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,477 Right, these are the mini steps to the bigger piece. 606 00:28:25,477 --> 00:28:29,114 So this is all heading towards Doomsday and I'm excited about 607 00:28:29,153 --> 00:28:33,027 Doomsday and I think that one of the things that the other 608 00:28:33,067 --> 00:28:36,251 movies did in the other phases when they built up was they gave 609 00:28:36,251 --> 00:28:38,159 us a little bit more of the team building. 610 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:42,878 And falcon, winter soldier and cap being in the same movie, it 611 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:46,513 feels like an extension of winter. 612 00:28:46,513 --> 00:28:49,760 So, captain, american winter soldier, right, or falcon and 613 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:50,962 winter soldier, like that's. 614 00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:56,336 It just feels like an extension of that rather than a tentpole 615 00:28:56,758 --> 00:29:00,522 marvel movie yeah, okay, no, I, I totally get that. 616 00:29:01,064 --> 00:29:03,734 Speaker 1: So, uh, touching on what you said about thunderbolts 617 00:29:03,734 --> 00:29:07,229 , you know being the better film or the one worth, you know 618 00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:08,352 spending the money on in theaters. 619 00:29:08,352 --> 00:29:11,219 I I put on twitter that. 620 00:29:11,219 --> 00:29:11,619 You know. 621 00:29:11,619 --> 00:29:14,957 The next thing that we're going to be covering is captain 622 00:29:14,977 --> 00:29:19,469 america, brave new world, and a lot of the people who follow me 623 00:29:19,509 --> 00:29:24,961 on Twitter know that I have been staying away from the MCU for a 624 00:29:24,961 --> 00:29:27,435 little bit and they're like what are you doing, man, watch 625 00:29:27,537 --> 00:29:28,249 Thunderbolts instead. 626 00:29:28,249 --> 00:29:30,878 And I'm like this is what we decided to choose for the 627 00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:31,400 podcast. 628 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,672 I'm not just going to just randomly change it up and talk 629 00:29:34,692 --> 00:29:36,759 about Thunderbolts on our Brave New World podcast. 630 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:41,336 So there was a lot of that online today or you know, the 631 00:29:41,355 --> 00:29:41,757 past week. 632 00:29:41,757 --> 00:29:46,134 But, yeah, no, I do think that I will like Thunderbolts more 633 00:29:46,555 --> 00:29:47,276 when I see it. 634 00:29:47,276 --> 00:29:51,510 I might even love it, I don't know, but I'm again, I'm willing 635 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:52,393 to wait to see it. 636 00:29:52,512 --> 00:29:55,278 Like, at this point, I'm just, I'm not like on the edge of my 637 00:29:55,317 --> 00:29:55,519 seat. 638 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:55,898 I don't. 639 00:29:55,898 --> 00:29:58,304 I have no fear of missing out right now. 640 00:29:58,304 --> 00:30:00,698 There's nothing you can tell me online. 641 00:30:00,698 --> 00:30:01,452 You can. 642 00:30:01,452 --> 00:30:03,323 You can tell me any character dies. 643 00:30:03,323 --> 00:30:07,186 I will be okay, you know, like that's, that's my level with the 644 00:30:07,186 --> 00:30:07,490 MCU. 645 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:13,259 Like you can tell me that Falcon kills the aged Steve 646 00:30:13,298 --> 00:30:17,932 Rogers in in Captain America, brave New World, and I will be 647 00:30:17,972 --> 00:30:19,196 like that tracks. 648 00:30:19,196 --> 00:30:20,059 Yeah, that makes sense. 649 00:30:20,059 --> 00:30:22,996 Um, I'm okay with that. 650 00:30:22,996 --> 00:30:23,978 Like I, I don't. 651 00:30:23,978 --> 00:30:27,223 I don't have the emotional stakes anymore in the mcu that I 652 00:30:27,223 --> 00:30:30,576 used to have and I think that that's a problem yeah, well, I 653 00:30:30,616 --> 00:30:35,934 mean it opens you up to more, I guess like artistic direction 654 00:30:36,076 --> 00:30:37,499 with your youtube channel. 655 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,423 Speaker 2: But but I agree with you, dakota. 656 00:30:39,423 --> 00:30:42,015 Honestly, to tell you the truth , I would go even further to say 657 00:30:42,015 --> 00:30:45,402 that if they didn't announce an MCU movie for the next five 658 00:30:45,461 --> 00:30:46,523 years, I wouldn't care. 659 00:30:46,523 --> 00:30:50,637 Like I mean, honestly, to tell you the truth, I'm just like I 660 00:30:50,939 --> 00:30:52,923 am fatigued with the MCU. 661 00:30:52,923 --> 00:30:57,616 I wouldn't say superhero stuff in general, because I mean I 662 00:30:57,656 --> 00:31:02,545 watch anime and there's a lot of like super-powered stuff going 663 00:31:02,684 --> 00:31:02,724 on. 664 00:31:02,724 --> 00:31:05,998 You know I watch my Hero Academia and, like you know 665 00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:07,201 that's superheroes and stuff. 666 00:31:07,201 --> 00:31:11,121 But like I'm just tired of mediocre stuff. 667 00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:13,195 Like stop giving us mediocre stuff. 668 00:31:13,195 --> 00:31:13,538 What is? 669 00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:16,192 It's like they're giving us all of those. 670 00:31:16,192 --> 00:31:21,201 It's like every movie is being written by those, those like 671 00:31:21,382 --> 00:31:23,625 writers that they get during like strikes. 672 00:31:23,625 --> 00:31:26,494 That's what it seems like, that's what these movies feel 673 00:31:26,535 --> 00:31:29,660 like and this one especially does have that vibe. 674 00:31:30,309 --> 00:31:34,500 Speaker 1: What I will say is I'm not averse to new MCU titles 675 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:34,942 coming out. 676 00:31:34,942 --> 00:31:36,818 I'm not I'm not necessarily, like, opposed to the idea of no 677 00:31:36,838 --> 00:31:37,382 announcements coming out. 678 00:31:37,382 --> 00:31:38,669 I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of no announcements 679 00:31:38,709 --> 00:31:43,523 coming out, but I will say I am excited about the Fantastic Four 680 00:31:43,523 --> 00:31:43,884 movie. 681 00:31:43,884 --> 00:31:48,337 That's probably the only title right now that has any interest 682 00:31:48,377 --> 00:31:52,309 to me, just because it looks unique enough that I will 683 00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:54,875 definitely be giving that a shot and I love the. 684 00:31:55,234 --> 00:32:00,151 I I have, you know, said for a long time that they should have 685 00:32:00,171 --> 00:32:01,012 been in the movies. 686 00:32:01,012 --> 00:32:02,214 You know, ages ago. 687 00:32:02,214 --> 00:32:02,756 You know they. 688 00:32:02,756 --> 00:32:08,273 They have absorbed fox into you know their system over what, 689 00:32:08,375 --> 00:32:11,119 six, seven years ago at this point, and they're just now 690 00:32:11,201 --> 00:32:14,673 getting to making, you know, fox owned properties. 691 00:32:14,673 --> 00:32:16,597 It's, it's actually a crazy timeline. 692 00:32:16,597 --> 00:32:20,471 If fox had bought disney, you know, they would have had, you 693 00:32:20,511 --> 00:32:22,435 know, like five, ten movies out by now. 694 00:32:22,435 --> 00:32:28,294 But because the mcu has so much meat to chew on and they don't, 695 00:32:28,294 --> 00:32:30,861 they don't want to say no to projects, you know they they've 696 00:32:30,901 --> 00:32:33,858 had to, like, push off their plans for, you know, adding the 697 00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:37,088 x-men and the fantastic four, and that sucks because those are 698 00:32:37,088 --> 00:32:38,313 some of the biggest marvel properties ever. 699 00:32:38,313 --> 00:32:39,040 But you know I'm I X-Men and the Fantastic Four and that 700 00:32:39,018 --> 00:32:40,115 sucks because those are some of the biggest Marvel properties 701 00:32:40,093 --> 00:32:40,173 ever. 702 00:32:40,173 --> 00:32:43,539 But you know I'm digressing and we're talking about MCU as a 703 00:32:43,579 --> 00:32:43,740 whole. 704 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:47,941 We should, you know, dial it back to Brave New World. 705 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,138 Speaker 2: It's so hard to like talk about this movie without 706 00:32:52,219 --> 00:32:55,153 kind of, I guess, expressing your dis. 707 00:32:55,153 --> 00:33:00,342 You know how we're disgruntled with the mcu and kind of like 708 00:33:00,422 --> 00:33:05,936 the I guess the missed missteps that it's like taken, it's 709 00:33:05,957 --> 00:33:08,721 definitely fallen pretty fall. 710 00:33:08,721 --> 00:33:11,932 It's fallen far from the its grace. 711 00:33:11,932 --> 00:33:17,101 You know like it was at one point it was tough, but it was 712 00:33:17,181 --> 00:33:21,134 tough to point out a bad MCU movie and now you could just see 713 00:33:21,134 --> 00:33:21,917 it all over the place. 714 00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:26,557 But yeah, I agree, let's talk a little bit about this, 715 00:33:27,494 --> 00:33:28,689 Something that I noticed. 716 00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:29,551 Speaker 1: Really quickly. 717 00:33:29,551 --> 00:33:34,696 You mentioned that this feels or the MCU movies recently have 718 00:33:34,757 --> 00:33:39,931 felt like it's when writers go on strike, they get like the 719 00:33:40,010 --> 00:33:43,558 non-union writers to come in to, like you know, fix up and patch 720 00:33:43,558 --> 00:33:43,818 it up. 721 00:33:43,818 --> 00:33:47,758 It feels to me like this movie feels to me like they had a 722 00:33:47,798 --> 00:33:48,540 really good premise. 723 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:53,234 You know, like you take the premise there's a new Captain 724 00:33:53,275 --> 00:34:00,671 America, there's a new president it happens to be Ross America. 725 00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:02,257 There's a new president it's it happens to be Ross, Thunderbolt 726 00:34:02,257 --> 00:34:02,376 Ross. 727 00:34:02,376 --> 00:34:03,903 He's running for president and he's going to turn into the, the 728 00:34:03,903 --> 00:34:05,449 Red Hulk, at some point in in this movie. 729 00:34:05,528 --> 00:34:10,097 Whatever, do your best to make a Captain America like it's. 730 00:34:10,097 --> 00:34:13,311 Imagine putting this in chat, gpt, feed it all the scripts of 731 00:34:13,331 --> 00:34:17,980 the previous movies, type in, you know, write a script for a 732 00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:23,175 captain america 4 featuring sam as the new captain america, and 733 00:34:23,396 --> 00:34:27,483 also, uh, make sure to incorporate, uh, loose tie-ins 734 00:34:27,704 --> 00:34:31,277 that we haven't done yet and also tease an x-men movie coming 735 00:34:31,277 --> 00:34:33,081 forward and that's exactly all. 736 00:34:33,081 --> 00:34:36,536 Like that, those are the three like jumping on points for this 737 00:34:36,576 --> 00:34:39,443 movie, because we have a Captain America movie, we have Ross 738 00:34:39,483 --> 00:34:42,690 back, and then it feels like they're tying in loose ends from 739 00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:44,577 movies that they've forgotten about. 740 00:34:44,577 --> 00:34:48,539 The first movie obviously is Eternals. 741 00:34:48,539 --> 00:34:51,516 There's a big Eternals. 742 00:34:51,516 --> 00:34:52,715 Call out that. 743 00:34:52,715 --> 00:34:55,472 It's been years since they've brought up the fact that there's 744 00:34:55,472 --> 00:34:57,630 a big celestial in the Indian Ocean. 745 00:34:57,869 --> 00:35:02,059 Speaker 2: That's just there I literally said that when, when I 746 00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,451 had seen this in the in the movie theater, I was like, oh 747 00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:09,960 wow, they finally bring back this giant celestial being that 748 00:35:10,021 --> 00:35:10,902 is in the ocean. 749 00:35:10,902 --> 00:35:13,653 Like how do you not bring that up? 750 00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:18,023 You know that, like, that thing is like way more massive than 751 00:35:18,806 --> 00:35:22,096 um, like the statue of liberty, like any of the like anything, 752 00:35:22,155 --> 00:35:25,088 yeah, any of the wonders in the world and it's like way bigger 753 00:35:25,108 --> 00:35:25,369 than that. 754 00:35:25,489 --> 00:35:28,056 Speaker 1: That's like the ninth wonder of the world it's like 755 00:35:28,077 --> 00:35:30,851 tall enough where it reaches into space like the hands. 756 00:35:30,891 --> 00:35:32,996 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like like you see it right there, like 757 00:35:33,036 --> 00:35:36,012 it's like breaking the atmosphere, like in dakota has. 758 00:35:36,012 --> 00:35:40,550 He has the, the, the, uh, the celestial being like as his 759 00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:45,201 backdrop in zoom and like you could see like its hands like 760 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,853 kind of pointing out like out of the atmosphere. 761 00:35:47,853 --> 00:35:49,757 But yeah, like it's insane. 762 00:35:49,757 --> 00:35:53,271 But yeah, like when you said that there is a tie into the 763 00:35:53,431 --> 00:35:57,297 x-men, I noticed that also when they said that this being had 764 00:35:57,338 --> 00:36:03,534 like adamantium in it yeah, I, I previously knew adamantium to 765 00:36:03,574 --> 00:36:06,740 be an alloy, meaning that they mixed it with two different 766 00:36:07,181 --> 00:36:07,563 metals. 767 00:36:08,023 --> 00:36:09,838 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how it is in the comics. 768 00:36:09,838 --> 00:36:13,090 I know that that's how it is in the x-men movies, but uh, yeah, 769 00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:14,572 I was a little bit surprised about that. 770 00:36:14,572 --> 00:36:18,056 I mean, I, I knew, like I had heard the rumors that they were 771 00:36:18,077 --> 00:36:21,521 going to use, you know, the celestial to like be the 772 00:36:21,981 --> 00:36:24,103 producer of adamantium. 773 00:36:24,103 --> 00:36:28,476 But you know what let's, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give my time 774 00:36:28,536 --> 00:36:33,266 over to rich, who is our resident wolverine fan on the 775 00:36:33,306 --> 00:36:33,728 podcast. 776 00:36:33,728 --> 00:36:39,686 Well, he, even he had, for at least as long as I've known him, 777 00:36:39,686 --> 00:36:42,655 and I'm sure it's much longer than that he has shaped his 778 00:36:42,775 --> 00:36:47,007 facial hair to be wolverine-esque yeah, I gotta be 779 00:36:47,007 --> 00:36:48,190 ready for comic con every year. 780 00:36:48,512 --> 00:36:49,554 Speaker 3: I I used to go. 781 00:36:49,554 --> 00:36:52,822 I cosplayed as wolverine one year and my friend said if 782 00:36:52,842 --> 00:36:55,815 you're really dedicated, you know you gotta do this, you to 783 00:36:55,856 --> 00:36:57,157 grow out the beard for the whole year. 784 00:36:57,579 --> 00:36:59,663 Speaker 2: And I went he's got the hugh jackman thing going on 785 00:36:59,704 --> 00:37:00,083 right now. 786 00:37:00,083 --> 00:37:02,548 He's got the yeah, the white tank top. 787 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:04,954 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, that's just the, that's just the 788 00:37:04,954 --> 00:37:05,737 half cuban in me. 789 00:37:06,237 --> 00:37:10,213 Speaker 2: Uh, this is summertime, half cuban, no no 790 00:37:10,253 --> 00:37:13,358 man come on like what's, what's the other half, canadian logan I 791 00:37:13,358 --> 00:37:17,255 , I, the ital, but uh, I've, I've had this since. 792 00:37:17,496 --> 00:37:19,083 Speaker 3: Uh, since the wolverine came out. 793 00:37:19,083 --> 00:37:22,034 Uh, yeah, right, because it was a summer movie, it was a july 794 00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:23,820 release, so it was between. 795 00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:26,851 Uh, you know, I didn't have to deal with the students the next 796 00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:28,195 day, so I just did something wild. 797 00:37:28,195 --> 00:37:31,222 But uh, I, I won't say that, you know I was. 798 00:37:31,222 --> 00:37:32,572 You know it's sad. 799 00:37:32,572 --> 00:37:37,621 I didn't even get excited, like I knew what it meant, I knew 800 00:37:37,641 --> 00:37:38,443 what they were doing. 801 00:37:38,443 --> 00:37:43,061 But also, I guess part of me is like, I love Hugh Jackman. 802 00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:44,916 He's done the role of great service. 803 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:50,076 But listen, as a longtime Wolverine fan, as a child who 804 00:37:50,115 --> 00:37:55,583 was offered HGH shots because I was on the we side and my family 805 00:37:55,583 --> 00:38:00,891 was like, hey, maybe you should be taller, the we side, and my 806 00:38:00,911 --> 00:38:02,313 family was like, hey, maybe you should be taller, uh, the guy 807 00:38:02,353 --> 00:38:03,797 who the back of the card said five, three was my favorite 808 00:38:03,936 --> 00:38:04,599 superhero. 809 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,711 That's that's why I attached myself to him at first, and then 810 00:38:07,711 --> 00:38:09,836 everything I found out and I fell in love with him. 811 00:38:09,836 --> 00:38:12,851 I, you know, after watching dead pool and wolverine, I 812 00:38:12,952 --> 00:38:14,115 really enjoyed that movie. 813 00:38:14,115 --> 00:38:18,539 You know, I guess for me it's like I need to see who wolverine 814 00:38:18,539 --> 00:38:19,289 might be next. 815 00:38:19,289 --> 00:38:22,157 You know, for me to get a little bit more excited, like at 816 00:38:22,157 --> 00:38:23,840 this point in my mcu fandom. 817 00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:27,918 I've seen enough of it where just dropping me, oh adamantium 818 00:38:27,978 --> 00:38:30,202 is not gonna send shivers up my spine. 819 00:38:30,202 --> 00:38:33,577 I'm not like, oh, he's coming back, uh, I, because I I don't 820 00:38:33,617 --> 00:38:34,721 know what they're gonna do with it. 821 00:38:34,721 --> 00:38:37,717 You know, I almost feel like they really need to. 822 00:38:37,717 --> 00:38:39,081 I mean, they have they're. 823 00:38:39,081 --> 00:38:41,851 They're just sitting on all this money, like why don't you 824 00:38:41,871 --> 00:38:44,978 just have like tons of of just groups working on this stuff and 825 00:38:44,978 --> 00:38:46,735 and making good stuff all the time? 826 00:38:46,735 --> 00:38:47,318 I don't. 827 00:38:47,318 --> 00:38:52,856 I think part of what there is happening and it's something 828 00:38:52,896 --> 00:38:55,721 that happens with the comics as well is is kind of when they 829 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,806 like reset a little bit right it it takes. 830 00:38:58,806 --> 00:39:02,958 When they do something a little bit different, you know, a lot 831 00:39:02,978 --> 00:39:05,811 of times readership drops, people aren't, aren't as 832 00:39:05,871 --> 00:39:09,139 involved with it or or care as much, and then what ends up 833 00:39:09,179 --> 00:39:14,275 happening is they have to stop making kind of strong narrative 834 00:39:14,335 --> 00:39:18,242 choices to keep the characters where they are right. 835 00:39:18,242 --> 00:39:21,452 And I and I think that's a little bit there's a transition. 836 00:39:21,452 --> 00:39:23,056 I I don't think. 837 00:39:23,456 --> 00:39:27,592 I mean I think that uh, chad boseman passing away was I think 838 00:39:27,592 --> 00:39:31,324 he was going to be like the next centerpiece, in many ways, 839 00:39:31,684 --> 00:39:36,438 of the marvel mcu that's interesting and I think that his 840 00:39:36,438 --> 00:39:40,550 because he was, because he, he was star power, right, like that 841 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:44,202 black, that black panther movie comes out and it it brought in 842 00:39:44,262 --> 00:39:49,275 a whole new audience, right and and he, he was carrying, he I 843 00:39:49,335 --> 00:39:52,742 think he was one of the major stars and losing him, I think, 844 00:39:52,822 --> 00:39:54,112 was a major blow. 845 00:39:54,813 --> 00:39:59,702 And here I think that this movie just could have had more heroes 846 00:39:59,702 --> 00:40:03,936 to help, to help kind of boost them up a little bit, uh, to get 847 00:40:03,936 --> 00:40:06,181 people excited a little bit more. 848 00:40:06,181 --> 00:40:09,255 You know, I know that there's going to be a different avengers 849 00:40:09,255 --> 00:40:11,690 coming up, so I just would have liked to see a couple of them 850 00:40:11,751 --> 00:40:12,132 in here. 851 00:40:12,132 --> 00:40:13,315 I think it would have. 852 00:40:13,315 --> 00:40:16,949 It would have just made look, I don't think you need to be 853 00:40:17,028 --> 00:40:18,211 subtle anymore that these movies are tying together. 854 00:40:18,211 --> 00:40:18,650 Like I don't think you need to be subtle anymore that these 855 00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:19,112 movies are tying together. 856 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:22,539 Like I don't think we need a subtle drop, like don't, don't 857 00:40:22,579 --> 00:40:25,817 give me a subtle drop of animantium, like you already 858 00:40:25,836 --> 00:40:28,349 here's the thing, though I don't think this was subtle, I I 859 00:40:28,389 --> 00:40:29,932 really don't think like they. 860 00:40:29,972 --> 00:40:31,516 Speaker 1: They made it a focal point. 861 00:40:31,958 --> 00:40:32,599 Speaker 3: Oh, just give me. 862 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:36,135 But see, I guess I'm greedy, like I want to see hank mccoy in 863 00:40:36,135 --> 00:40:40,271 that, in that, in that lab, you know, like that you guys showed 864 00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:44,481 us in the marvels, you know, right, okay, I, I, I wanted to 865 00:40:44,561 --> 00:40:48,150 see you know what drive by the mansion. 866 00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:51,056 It's right over here in westchester, we're not far from 867 00:40:51,155 --> 00:40:55,411 it, okay, on gray malkin lane, all right, uh, it's, it's real 868 00:40:55,452 --> 00:40:56,617 close to you. 869 00:40:56,617 --> 00:40:59,730 Know, I've mapped it out from my house, one of the reasons why 870 00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:00,612 I moved to westchester. 871 00:41:00,612 --> 00:41:05,442 Uh, so I, I, just, I, I don't know, maybe that's part of it 872 00:41:05,523 --> 00:41:05,782 also. 873 00:41:05,782 --> 00:41:08,438 It's like I know you're saying it's obvious, but, man, just 874 00:41:09,601 --> 00:41:12,512 it's obvious to you and me, right, it's obvious to anthony, 875 00:41:12,733 --> 00:41:15,967 right, is it obvious to the guy who just goes hey, I'm gonna go 876 00:41:15,987 --> 00:41:19,532 see a captain america movie who's not deep in, are they like 877 00:41:19,532 --> 00:41:19,532 ? 878 00:41:19,532 --> 00:41:22,300 Oh, adamantium, that means the x-men are coming. 879 00:41:22,762 --> 00:41:26,552 Speaker 1: I think at this point that average dude knows what 880 00:41:26,612 --> 00:41:30,503 adamantium is and knows the the context behind it you know after 881 00:41:30,503 --> 00:41:31,407 what. 882 00:41:31,407 --> 00:41:36,579 10 different films with wolverine um being either, you 883 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,487 know, like saved by his adamantium or poisoned by it, or 884 00:41:40,487 --> 00:41:44,300 any anything in between that that's just us, dakota. 885 00:41:44,661 --> 00:41:46,548 Speaker 2: That's just us because we watched all those 886 00:41:46,588 --> 00:41:49,394 movies in a row it could be. 887 00:41:50,056 --> 00:41:54,806 Speaker 1: It could be that, um, I I can't deny that fact, but I 888 00:41:54,806 --> 00:41:58,536 I feel like making it wasn't, as it didn't just say that. 889 00:41:58,536 --> 00:42:01,956 You know that this is the celestial, is new land that's 890 00:42:02,016 --> 00:42:02,438 popped up. 891 00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:05,409 It's that they're fighting over what's inside the celestial. 892 00:42:05,409 --> 00:42:11,860 You know it's a new material that has so far been absent from 893 00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:12,181 the earth. 894 00:42:12,181 --> 00:42:13,724 But again, what does it mean? 895 00:42:13,724 --> 00:42:17,277 Like I'm trying to picture what the future of the mcu looks 896 00:42:17,338 --> 00:42:20,192 like from this point and it doesn't make any sense. 897 00:42:20,192 --> 00:42:24,581 So we know that secret invasion or not secret invasion, um, 898 00:42:25,041 --> 00:42:28,661 secret wars is coming up, which is like the end of the 899 00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:31,971 multiverse saga, which is the second major saga after the 900 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:35,817 infinity saga that encompassed the first three phases of 901 00:42:35,856 --> 00:42:37,380 Marvel's cinematic universe. 902 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,536 The multiverse saga ends with Secret Wars which, spoiler alert 903 00:42:42,536 --> 00:42:45,429 it will bring multiple universes into one. 904 00:42:45,429 --> 00:42:50,840 There will be a type of sentient being, probably Doom, 905 00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:55,393 played by Robert Downey Jr for some random reason, who brings 906 00:42:55,753 --> 00:43:01,807 random worlds together into a battle world scenario where they 907 00:43:01,807 --> 00:43:04,557 will have to literally battle for their world and there will 908 00:43:04,577 --> 00:43:06,585 be, you know, different factions among them. 909 00:43:06,585 --> 00:43:09,655 They will get along or they won't get along and eventually 910 00:43:09,675 --> 00:43:11,942 they'll all come to the conclusion that you know we're 911 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:15,376 wait a minute, we're on the same side, which is what happened in 912 00:43:15,376 --> 00:43:16,679 the secret wars comic um. 913 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:22,195 That will happen at the end of the multiverse saga and the 914 00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:24,518 worlds will be rearranged somewhat. 915 00:43:24,518 --> 00:43:28,833 We will have x-men and fantastic four full scale within 916 00:43:28,833 --> 00:43:29,735 the mcu proper. 917 00:43:30,338 --> 00:43:33,445 Will the current mcu be any different? 918 00:43:33,445 --> 00:43:34,789 We don't really know. 919 00:43:34,789 --> 00:43:38,117 Most likely it will, because most of, like, their main cast 920 00:43:38,157 --> 00:43:42,896 has aged out of the roles or are no longer willing to play them. 921 00:43:42,896 --> 00:43:45,931 You know, long term, like we don't have a proper steve rogers 922 00:43:45,931 --> 00:43:46,833 anymore, we don't have. 923 00:43:46,833 --> 00:43:50,327 Well, I guess we do have a thor , but we don't have a black 924 00:43:50,407 --> 00:43:51,431 widow anymore, we don't. 925 00:43:51,431 --> 00:43:54,418 There's a number of characters that have, you know, aged out of 926 00:43:54,418 --> 00:43:57,875 their primary roles and they will need to be recast at some 927 00:43:57,914 --> 00:43:59,300 point if the MCU is going to continue. 928 00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:03,851 So my question is are they going to reboot the universe as 929 00:44:03,911 --> 00:44:07,840 a whole and this celestial will stay and this adamantium will be 930 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,702 the driving point? 931 00:44:08,702 --> 00:44:11,474 Which will, you know, feed wolverine's? 932 00:44:11,474 --> 00:44:14,862 You know exoskeleton, or is he just going to be a new character 933 00:44:14,862 --> 00:44:18,056 from another world who already has adamantium in his skeleton 934 00:44:18,318 --> 00:44:21,092 because he's supposed to be older than all the x-men by 935 00:44:21,132 --> 00:44:22,094 about a century? 936 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:25,043 It doesn't make any sense to me and I'm just like what is the 937 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:26,452 point of this easter egg that? 938 00:44:26,452 --> 00:44:27,733 Do you understand what I'm saying? 939 00:44:27,793 --> 00:44:28,474 Speaker 3: I'll be furious. 940 00:44:28,474 --> 00:44:33,202 Listen to me, I will be furious , furious if it's just like oh, 941 00:44:33,242 --> 00:44:37,635 we just ran, uh, you know, uh, weapon, the weapon x program, 942 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:41,583 and in in 2027 because we discovered adamantium. 943 00:44:41,583 --> 00:44:46,614 Now, like I, I will, I will rage, I, I will, I will, I will 944 00:44:46,815 --> 00:44:47,775 lose my mind. 945 00:44:47,775 --> 00:44:54,362 Like part of what I love about Wolverine is that kind of you 946 00:44:54,382 --> 00:44:54,503 know. 947 00:44:54,503 --> 00:44:57,045 Oh man, he was in World War II, you know. 948 00:44:57,626 --> 00:44:59,856 It's cool, you know like that kind of stuff. 949 00:44:59,856 --> 00:45:07,179 I really that he's seen our earth and he's seen our culture 950 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:11,304 adapt and change and morph and evolve over these years. 951 00:45:11,304 --> 00:45:16,981 He knows our shared history and that's what makes him also 952 00:45:17,143 --> 00:45:21,251 different from everybody else, because he also carries the pain 953 00:45:21,251 --> 00:45:26,679 of the loss that he, I, I, no, no, I, I so do you see my 954 00:45:26,739 --> 00:45:30,485 problem with the adamantium being proposed as a new element 955 00:45:30,625 --> 00:45:31,146 in this movie? 956 00:45:31,751 --> 00:45:33,630 Speaker 1: Like, what is the end goal, you know? 957 00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:36,681 Like if they're going to reboot this, what does it matter that 958 00:45:36,702 --> 00:45:39,090 they bring adamantium in the first place? 959 00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:42,755 And if they don't reboot this, it will be even worse, because 960 00:45:43,197 --> 00:45:47,885 we will suddenly have a Wolverine in the mid-21st 961 00:45:47,905 --> 00:45:51,070 century at this point, who is just being, you know, turned 962 00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:51,630 into wolverine. 963 00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:52,853 It would be terrible. 964 00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:56,782 So maybe are you following along with like our logic, like 965 00:45:57,003 --> 00:45:58,032 is it, is it making sense? 966 00:45:58,474 --> 00:46:01,061 Speaker 2: yeah, no, I, I get what you're talking about. 967 00:46:01,061 --> 00:46:06,094 Uh, I'm thinking that it's probably gonna really sit on the 968 00:46:06,094 --> 00:46:10,824 shoulders of secret wars, that that's probably when some of 969 00:46:10,869 --> 00:46:13,501 these characters are going to come into the fold, you know, 970 00:46:13,541 --> 00:46:15,367 being brought in from another world. 971 00:46:15,367 --> 00:46:18,797 But yeah, no, no, I totally get what you're talking about. 972 00:46:18,797 --> 00:46:23,755 I do want to because, man, we, we've been so focused I know 973 00:46:23,835 --> 00:46:26,242 we're, we're, we're like so meta right now. 974 00:46:26,262 --> 00:46:27,746 Speaker 1: We got to talk about the film itself. 975 00:46:28,206 --> 00:46:31,353 Speaker 2: Right right, right, right Well. 976 00:46:31,353 --> 00:46:38,221 So obviously like Ross is the focal point of like the film you 977 00:46:38,221 --> 00:46:41,123 know, kind of like in the trailers, like you knew that 978 00:46:41,143 --> 00:46:46,998 there was going to be a Red Hulk , but there is also a villain 979 00:46:47,018 --> 00:46:48,663 that's kind of hiding in the shadows. 980 00:46:48,663 --> 00:46:53,621 What are your guys' thoughts of how they portrayed the leader 981 00:46:53,702 --> 00:46:54,043 in this? 982 00:46:54,632 --> 00:46:57,487 Speaker 3: If he's so smart, why didn't he get himself out of 983 00:46:57,527 --> 00:46:57,769 prison? 984 00:46:57,769 --> 00:46:59,672 I don't even he's been. 985 00:46:59,672 --> 00:47:06,001 Ross has been stringing him along like some mistress over 986 00:47:06,081 --> 00:47:09,875 here, saying like don't worry, don't worry, don't worry, after 987 00:47:09,894 --> 00:47:13,815 the kid's graduation I'll get the divorce, but until 988 00:47:13,876 --> 00:47:15,554 graduation we got to stay together. 989 00:47:15,554 --> 00:47:19,916 I just don't understand how I really. 990 00:47:19,916 --> 00:47:25,260 It boggles my mind how I'm supposed to believe that this 991 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,530 man is so smart but he can't just contact someone on Reddit. 992 00:47:29,530 --> 00:47:32,699 He's apparently got internet access. 993 00:47:32,699 --> 00:47:34,958 Like you can't get anybody sent . 994 00:47:35,018 --> 00:47:39,117 Speaker 2: like I don't, I get 15 emails a day from a Nigerian 995 00:47:39,157 --> 00:47:39,338 prince. 996 00:47:39,338 --> 00:47:45,224 See, the thing for me is that it's not that he couldn't break 997 00:47:45,286 --> 00:47:45,750 out of prison. 998 00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:49,579 Speaker 3: He was there very much, so purposefully, like he, 999 00:47:49,739 --> 00:47:53,782 he was but he's like a scorned lover afterwards, right after he 1000 00:47:53,782 --> 00:47:56,532 doesn't get what he, like his whole goal was to be free. 1001 00:47:56,932 --> 00:47:58,635 Speaker 1: You know, like that was, that was his whole goal. 1002 00:47:59,237 --> 00:48:01,161 Speaker 2: Like, well, but but was it? 1003 00:48:01,161 --> 00:48:05,173 Was it free from prison or was it free from something else? 1004 00:48:05,173 --> 00:48:05,655 Free? 1005 00:48:05,655 --> 00:48:06,436 Free from Ross? 1006 00:48:06,436 --> 00:48:11,663 Right, because, like the whole thing was him getting back at 1007 00:48:11,742 --> 00:48:18,338 Ross for being slighted, and his best bet for that was to be 1008 00:48:18,438 --> 00:48:22,710 where he was, because Ross had something that he needed and he 1009 00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:27,938 was able to really like, I guess , show the world the monster 1010 00:48:27,958 --> 00:48:31,811 that ross is, and so, like, pretty much he, he got what he 1011 00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:32,552 wanted. 1012 00:48:32,552 --> 00:48:35,900 You know, even though, like I mean, he get beaten down at the 1013 00:48:36,059 --> 00:48:38,050 end, he still got what he wanted . 1014 00:48:38,192 --> 00:48:42,623 Speaker 1: As far as you know, ross, so I'm, you know I was 1015 00:48:42,664 --> 00:48:44,969 sitting thinking about the uh, the leader. 1016 00:48:44,969 --> 00:48:48,563 As you know, he samuel stearns. 1017 00:48:48,563 --> 00:48:51,793 You know, he's a character that was first introduced in the 1018 00:48:51,833 --> 00:48:56,643 incredible hulk, which was the second mcu movie ever, um, in 1019 00:48:56,664 --> 00:49:00,771 2008, and they're finally bringing him back in a 2025 1020 00:49:00,791 --> 00:49:05,780 movie to play against an actor who's portraying another actor 1021 00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:08,545 who has died, and it's too little, too late. 1022 00:49:08,545 --> 00:49:10,697 I'm sorry, it's too little, too late. 1023 00:49:10,697 --> 00:49:15,896 It's 10 years too late that they bring these characters back 1024 00:49:15,896 --> 00:49:15,896 . 1025 00:49:15,896 --> 00:49:19,293 You know, and I'm really frustrated by it, because I 1026 00:49:19,432 --> 00:49:24,777 don't care about the leader, I don't care about Liv Tyler's, I 1027 00:49:24,797 --> 00:49:27,224 don't care about this dynamic that these characters have 1028 00:49:27,266 --> 00:49:30,360 anymore, because it's been so long that it didn't matter. 1029 00:49:32,112 --> 00:49:36,139 They basically were kind of retconned from the MCU, with 1030 00:49:36,278 --> 00:49:39,423 Edward Norton no longer being the Hulk anymore. 1031 00:49:39,423 --> 00:49:40,085 You know what I'm saying. 1032 00:49:40,085 --> 00:49:44,737 These actors were attached to a previous version of the Hulk 1033 00:49:45,157 --> 00:49:50,865 and it became so, uh, distinguished from the rest of 1034 00:49:50,885 --> 00:49:54,632 the MCU in terms of, like, how it felt or what was going on. 1035 00:49:54,632 --> 00:49:59,460 Besides, you know, of course, um Everett Ross, that these 1036 00:49:59,561 --> 00:50:03,376 characters didn't make any sense to bring back anymore, and now 1037 00:50:03,396 --> 00:50:06,271 that they're bringing them back, it doesn't make any more. 1038 00:50:06,271 --> 00:50:07,833 It literally doesn't make any sense to me. 1039 00:50:07,833 --> 00:50:10,760 I have no emotional attachment to them and I'm I was so 1040 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,054 surprised that they brought back live tyler and, uh, this 1041 00:50:14,173 --> 00:50:16,360 accurate actor who's playing samuel stearns I don't remember 1042 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,614 his name, but I, I could not. 1043 00:50:18,775 --> 00:50:22,144 Speaker 2: I could not believe that they did that, and I feel 1044 00:50:22,184 --> 00:50:25,974 like it was a weird placement though, like because these 1045 00:50:26,054 --> 00:50:29,922 characters existed within an incredible hulk film, but then 1046 00:50:29,943 --> 00:50:34,322 they brought them back into a captain america film, which I 1047 00:50:34,362 --> 00:50:36,108 mean, I agree, it made no sense. 1048 00:50:36,108 --> 00:50:42,416 I don't know about you, but when they finally show betty 1049 00:50:42,476 --> 00:50:45,000 ross, you know, live, live, tyler. 1050 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,543 She looked a little weird, didn't she? 1051 00:50:47,543 --> 00:50:49,885 She looked like she was CG, she did. 1052 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: Or just heavily filtered. 1053 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,795 Heavily filtered, or like obviously she was not present on 1054 00:50:56,795 --> 00:50:57,157 set. 1055 00:50:57,157 --> 00:51:00,490 You know, like even the voice that they had her speak over the 1056 00:51:00,490 --> 00:51:04,795 phone to the president early on the film, it didn't really 1057 00:51:04,896 --> 00:51:07,737 sound like her, it sounded like an approximation of her. 1058 00:51:08,318 --> 00:51:09,972 Speaker 2: And they promised that that was her. 1059 00:51:09,972 --> 00:51:12,699 They said that no, that that was her but I'm like dude that 1060 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,722 does not look like her. 1061 00:51:13,869 --> 00:51:16,637 Speaker 3: She was on the phone on her way to like the beach 1062 00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:20,253 yeah you know, oh, hold on guys, I'll pull over santa monica 1063 00:51:20,293 --> 00:51:20,914 boulevard. 1064 00:51:20,914 --> 00:51:25,708 There's cars honking and she's just hey dad this is your 1065 00:51:25,728 --> 00:51:26,090 daughter 1066 00:51:26,331 --> 00:51:28,177 Speaker 1: that was the one who's estranged by. 1067 00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:30,192 Speaker 3: By the way, can we just acknowledge? 1068 00:51:30,192 --> 00:51:31,014 That they did that. 1069 00:51:31,014 --> 00:51:35,222 So like they were just oh, you mean, you're a strange daughter, 1070 00:51:35,222 --> 00:51:37,800 the one you haven't talked to, like the way they, uh, would 1071 00:51:38,041 --> 00:51:41,873 kind of remind the audience of who betty was was just, and the 1072 00:51:41,913 --> 00:51:42,835 fact, weird. 1073 00:51:43,175 --> 00:51:43,797 Speaker 1: You know like. 1074 00:51:43,797 --> 00:51:47,733 I'm sorry, but like harrison ford does not look like the 1075 00:51:47,793 --> 00:51:50,041 previous thunderbolt Ross in the slightest. 1076 00:51:50,041 --> 00:51:52,775 They should have kept the mustache. 1077 00:51:52,775 --> 00:51:53,237 No, I heard he refused. 1078 00:51:53,237 --> 00:51:54,219 I don't know what they were doing. 1079 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,202 Speaker 3: No, he refused. 1080 00:51:55,202 --> 00:51:56,753 I think that was literally. 1081 00:51:56,753 --> 00:51:59,960 I think, if you look, I'm almost positive. 1082 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,972 I came across this that the reason that he's clean-shaven is 1083 00:52:02,972 --> 00:52:05,614 because Harrison Ford's, like I'm not doing it, he just 1084 00:52:05,753 --> 00:52:06,333 refused. 1085 00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:08,436 I'm not doing it Okay. 1086 00:52:08,436 --> 00:52:08,876 I'm not doing it Okay. 1087 00:52:08,956 --> 00:52:09,237 Speaker 1: All right. 1088 00:52:09,237 --> 00:52:09,697 Well, I mean. 1089 00:52:09,956 --> 00:52:11,077 Harrison Ford gets what he wants . 1090 00:52:11,077 --> 00:52:12,478 I can't argue with that logic. 1091 00:52:12,478 --> 00:52:16,541 But going back to the leader, samuel Stern's being the villain 1092 00:52:16,541 --> 00:52:20,364 in this movie, as much as I can criticize the fact that it's 1093 00:52:20,465 --> 00:52:23,146 way too late, I have to agree with Rich here. 1094 00:52:23,146 --> 00:52:27,771 He's way too smart to get outsmarted so often, or at least 1095 00:52:27,771 --> 00:52:28,032 he, you know. 1096 00:52:28,032 --> 00:52:30,637 Like he claims to be so smart that he can calculate every 1097 00:52:30,699 --> 00:52:33,063 possibility to you know a percentile chance. 1098 00:52:33,063 --> 00:52:37,338 But I think, like only twice in this movie did his like you 1099 00:52:37,378 --> 00:52:39,443 know calculations actually like work. 1100 00:52:39,443 --> 00:52:44,867 Besides, you know, like the music that he plays, that worked 1101 00:52:44,867 --> 00:52:45,750 out a number of times. 1102 00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:47,614 But there was a number of scenarios where he's just like 1103 00:52:48,235 --> 00:52:52,155 there's a percentile chance that this will happen and you ruined 1104 00:52:52,155 --> 00:52:52,295 it. 1105 00:52:52,295 --> 00:52:56,331 You didn't do what I wanted you to do and it made me think of 1106 00:52:56,413 --> 00:52:59,577 Star Wars Rebels, where you introduce Thrawn, who's a 1107 00:52:59,617 --> 00:53:05,552 character known in the novels for being three steps ahead, and 1108 00:53:05,552 --> 00:53:09,010 then in Star Wars Rebels rebels , they diminish him to a point 1109 00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:10,998 where, like he doesn't get any victories. 1110 00:53:10,998 --> 00:53:14,552 But we have to believe that this is some like master genius 1111 00:53:14,672 --> 00:53:18,423 at work, because you know that's what the books previously that 1112 00:53:18,463 --> 00:53:23,916 are no longer canon have you think, and it gets to a point 1113 00:53:23,976 --> 00:53:28,081 where you know, every single time that Thrawn gets outsmarted 1114 00:53:28,081 --> 00:53:32,132 , he's just like, uh, yes, this, this works perfectly in my 1115 00:53:32,172 --> 00:53:33,876 plans and it's, it's. 1116 00:53:33,876 --> 00:53:37,172 It's just a number of those you know like, ah, you've fallen 1117 00:53:37,231 --> 00:53:42,021 right into my, my, my, my plans to, you know, be outsmarted 1118 00:53:42,061 --> 00:53:42,300 again. 1119 00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:43,063 And it. 1120 00:53:43,063 --> 00:53:46,193 That's how the leader felt, where, like, everything that 1121 00:53:46,454 --> 00:53:50,981 went wrong with him didn't make us feel that he was a smart 1122 00:53:51,202 --> 00:53:54,070 villain, even though he was purported to be so. 1123 00:53:54,070 --> 00:54:00,159 Okay, in the Winter Soldier, you have the AI algorithm of 1124 00:54:00,398 --> 00:54:05,806 Arnim Zola, who is controlling Hydra, you know, from a digital 1125 00:54:05,846 --> 00:54:06,106 space. 1126 00:54:06,106 --> 00:54:10,721 That was a genius concept that worked perfectly within that 1127 00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:11,090 movie. 1128 00:54:11,431 --> 00:54:16,822 This felt like such a poor successor, like a poor yeah, it 1129 00:54:16,862 --> 00:54:17,844 was a poor successor, like it. 1130 00:54:17,844 --> 00:54:22,918 It felt like the same story beats again, but on a much 1131 00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:26,753 smaller scale, um, and they tried to make it big by like, 1132 00:54:26,793 --> 00:54:29,179 make, like, bringing the whole world into it with. 1133 00:54:29,179 --> 00:54:32,641 You know like, uh, inter um, continental politics and stuff. 1134 00:54:32,641 --> 00:54:35,831 Man, I I'm sorry I I haven't actually said any nice things 1135 00:54:35,891 --> 00:54:39,300 about this movie yet and I I realized, you know, I didn't 1136 00:54:39,539 --> 00:54:39,940 hate it. 1137 00:54:40,561 --> 00:54:45,297 I liked the concept of it, I liked the ideas that were 1138 00:54:45,338 --> 00:54:45,798 introduced. 1139 00:54:45,798 --> 00:54:48,623 You know like I like, I like the fact that you know we're 1140 00:54:48,643 --> 00:54:52,556 learning more about how the world is shaping up after like, 1141 00:54:52,617 --> 00:54:56,284 like, post, snap, post eternals with the celestial. 1142 00:54:56,284 --> 00:55:01,581 I like to know what's going on on the like socioeconomics, like 1143 00:55:01,581 --> 00:55:02,001 scale. 1144 00:55:02,001 --> 00:55:06,492 Um, I want to see how the united states is dealing with 1145 00:55:06,753 --> 00:55:10,115 india and and Japan and all that , and how they're fighting over 1146 00:55:10,155 --> 00:55:10,518 resources. 1147 00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:15,315 I think that's a really, really cool concept, but this did not 1148 00:55:15,394 --> 00:55:19,679 showcase that well enough, where it sated any of my questions 1149 00:55:23,358 --> 00:55:25,463 and ultimately it felt like I was wasting my time. 1150 00:55:25,463 --> 00:55:28,139 It was so rote. 1151 00:55:28,139 --> 00:55:33,494 It felt like an AI script had been written and filmed In the 1152 00:55:33,514 --> 00:55:34,315 beginning of the movie. 1153 00:55:34,315 --> 00:55:40,619 When Captain America saves the day from that church, from 1154 00:55:43,161 --> 00:55:46,563 Giancarlo Esposito, there's that scene where he's talking to a 1155 00:55:46,804 --> 00:55:52,813 number of army generals and I've never seen in an MCU movie two 1156 00:55:53,054 --> 00:55:57,563 actors who are so clearly not listening to the other actor but 1157 00:55:57,563 --> 00:56:00,876 waiting for the other actor to finish their lines before their 1158 00:56:00,936 --> 00:56:05,911 next line, like it was just like I say ABC and you say you say 1159 00:56:07,315 --> 00:56:10,840 DEF, and then I I say g h, I. 1160 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,391 That that's how that scene played out, and there was a 1161 00:56:13,431 --> 00:56:16,005 number of scenes in this movie where you could just tell the 1162 00:56:16,065 --> 00:56:18,293 actors were waiting for the other actor to finish their 1163 00:56:18,353 --> 00:56:21,340 lines before they jumped in with their line and it didn't feel 1164 00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:25,197 like acting, it just felt like reading from a script and it it 1165 00:56:25,257 --> 00:56:27,802 really bothered me, man, like there was, there was a lot in 1166 00:56:27,822 --> 00:56:33,177 this movie that like could have been cool conceptually but fell 1167 00:56:33,338 --> 00:56:37,490 so far from the mark um, that you know, like I, I I've have 1168 00:56:37,610 --> 00:56:41,177 loved from the mcu and right I don't know like it 1169 00:56:41,237 --> 00:56:44,231 Speaker 2: fell it fell short, no, no, but I mean, like the 1170 00:56:44,271 --> 00:56:47,704 thing is, is that like that's the the whole thing and that's 1171 00:56:47,724 --> 00:56:47,965 how? 1172 00:56:47,965 --> 00:56:52,155 That's how we ended up on that whole tangent prior to this 1173 00:56:52,215 --> 00:56:55,764 discussion is because, you know, this is what I'm talking about 1174 00:56:56,271 --> 00:56:58,597 with the mcu, like taking missteps. 1175 00:56:58,597 --> 00:57:02,750 This is a misstep and this is why, you know, I mean, obviously 1176 00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:04,112 there there had been. 1177 00:57:04,112 --> 00:57:08,820 I mean, for a while I would say that you know, I I hadn't 1178 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,856 really felt the push to go see a , an mcu film, but like, 1179 00:57:13,916 --> 00:57:16,521 definitely, after seeing this, I'm like, dude, I really just 1180 00:57:16,541 --> 00:57:18,112 don't care at this point. 1181 00:57:18,112 --> 00:57:21,159 And this is where I'm like, you know, I mean, yeah, I'll 1182 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,375 probably go and see the fantastic four, just because 1183 00:57:25,474 --> 00:57:27,257 that is like a Fox IP. 1184 00:57:27,257 --> 00:57:29,442 But you know that that's what I'm saying. 1185 00:57:29,442 --> 00:57:30,744 Like, for me, I won't. 1186 00:57:30,744 --> 00:57:33,695 I wouldn't care if they didn't, if they said that they were 1187 00:57:33,715 --> 00:57:38,050 taking like a five, like a five year hiatus on making movies. 1188 00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:39,074 I would not. 1189 00:57:39,074 --> 00:57:42,516 I really it wouldn't bother me it would actually give us a time 1190 00:57:42,516 --> 00:57:42,516 . 1191 00:57:42,898 --> 00:57:44,414 Speaker 1: Huh, did you watch Thunderbolts? 1192 00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:46,034 Speaker 2: Uh, Did you watch Thunderbolts? 1193 00:57:46,034 --> 00:57:46,474 No, not yet. 1194 00:57:46,474 --> 00:57:47,197 Yeah, not yet. 1195 00:57:47,217 --> 00:57:48,721 Speaker 1: We'll have to cover that when it comes to Disney+. 1196 00:57:50,034 --> 00:57:52,974 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll look into it and I mean I'm pretty sure 1197 00:57:53,014 --> 00:57:58,878 that I'll like it, but I'm also fairly certain that it's still 1198 00:57:58,918 --> 00:58:02,744 not going to live up to that quality that we're used to. 1199 00:58:02,744 --> 00:58:06,255 We'll probably like it a lot more than this. 1200 00:58:06,255 --> 00:58:09,931 But the fact that we, you know, the fact that you're stacking 1201 00:58:09,971 --> 00:58:13,659 that up to a movie like this and you're saying like, yeah, 1202 00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,273 that's the better movie, it's not, it's you know, it's you, 1203 00:58:17,313 --> 00:58:20,440 you're punch, it's at like a different, like you know, just 1204 00:58:21,121 --> 00:58:24,333 weight class, you know that that's probably a welterweight 1205 00:58:24,373 --> 00:58:28,541 and this is a lightweight, you know do you guys read comics 1206 00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:29,963 like now? 1207 00:58:30,284 --> 00:58:32,052 Speaker 3: do you have you guys been reading comics last couple 1208 00:58:32,112 --> 00:58:32,313 years? 1209 00:58:32,833 --> 00:58:34,396 Speaker 1: the past year. 1210 00:58:34,396 --> 00:58:37,583 No, so I prior to that I have. 1211 00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:40,112 I have been reading, I I was reading pretty regularly yeah. 1212 00:58:40,371 --> 00:58:45,297 Speaker 3: So I was reading, like lots of marvel stuff for, 1213 00:58:45,777 --> 00:58:53,784 like I'd say, a strong 10 years where I was reading 15 comics, 1214 00:58:54,565 --> 00:58:59,117 20 comics a week, uh, and I was reading almost every title. 1215 00:58:59,117 --> 00:59:01,402 Uh, there there was almost I I would. 1216 00:59:01,402 --> 00:59:04,474 I would honestly just have to kind of open it and not like the 1217 00:59:04,474 --> 00:59:06,159 artwork to not give it a chance . 1218 00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:06,619 I didn't. 1219 00:59:06,619 --> 00:59:10,353 You know, that's why I ended up enjoying squirrel girl so much, 1220 00:59:10,353 --> 00:59:13,501 because I gave it a shot when I normally wouldn't have before. 1221 00:59:13,501 --> 00:59:15,735 Squirrel girl is awesome, yeah, no, it really is. 1222 00:59:15,735 --> 00:59:19,210 And I just wonder if, like you know, there are those lulls, 1223 00:59:19,251 --> 00:59:23,365 there are those times where I I don't particularly like, uh, a 1224 00:59:23,445 --> 00:59:27,034 story arc or something, but I I kind of just hang on and and 1225 00:59:27,175 --> 00:59:30,119 part of the allure is almost like the characters are always 1226 00:59:30,179 --> 00:59:32,443 there, right, they're always there to come back to, like 1227 00:59:32,463 --> 00:59:34,253 that's the comfort, right, it's not. 1228 00:59:34,253 --> 00:59:37,481 It's not like I go back, because every time I'm I'm 1229 00:59:37,601 --> 00:59:38,523 really enjoying it. 1230 00:59:38,523 --> 00:59:43,480 Almost it's like it's part of my, the fabric of my universe. 1231 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,255 Is that the I care about these characters and even if I'm a 1232 00:59:47,295 --> 00:59:49,351 little disinterested, I still kind of hang on. 1233 00:59:49,351 --> 00:59:52,699 And I know, when I was a kid I didn't care, I just kept reading 1234 00:59:52,699 --> 00:59:54,853 for years and years and you know, as long as I had the money 1235 00:59:54,853 --> 00:59:55,614 I was reading comics. 1236 00:59:55,614 --> 00:59:58,692 So the only break I the only reason I really took a break was 1237 00:59:58,692 --> 01:00:00,998 I was just a broke early 20 year old. 1238 01:00:00,998 --> 01:00:03,831 So when I started having more money I started buying comics 1239 01:00:03,871 --> 01:00:04,072 again. 1240 01:00:04,552 --> 01:00:08,420 I I wonder if we're just at that point like in the mcu, where 1241 01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:13,315 it's just like there's so much to tell and they're just kind of 1242 01:00:13,315 --> 01:00:14,398 lulls a little bit. 1243 01:00:14,398 --> 01:00:17,431 I don't, we're never gonna get, we're never. 1244 01:00:17,431 --> 01:00:21,860 I don't think we're ever gonna get the feeling of seeing steve 1245 01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:25,514 rogers and iron man and captain america I mean, I'm sorry, uh, 1246 01:00:25,554 --> 01:00:29,431 captain America, iron man, thor, black Widow, you know, all 1247 01:00:29,471 --> 01:00:32,163 together and like that, that hype, that feel that like, oh, 1248 01:00:32,202 --> 01:00:35,112 my goodness, I can't believe we're seeing this Like, what can 1249 01:00:35,112 --> 01:00:37,536 they really do at this point? 1250 01:00:37,536 --> 01:00:40,041 That is going to wow us again. 1251 01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,909 I almost feel like. 1252 01:00:41,909 --> 01:00:45,943 I know they're adult movies, but it's like a kid's franchise 1253 01:00:46,023 --> 01:00:49,012 almost, where you just keep going because they're the 1254 01:00:49,052 --> 01:00:50,056 characters are there. 1255 01:00:50,056 --> 01:00:53,500 I don't know, I know that sounds like I'm making excuses. 1256 01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:54,954 Speaker 1: No, that's a good point. 1257 01:00:54,954 --> 01:00:59,918 Yeah, the idea of the first Avengers movie. 1258 01:00:59,918 --> 01:01:05,233 Nowadays it happens a couple times a year, but back in 2012, 1259 01:01:05,554 --> 01:01:08,300 when they first brought those franchises together, there had 1260 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:08,922 been nothing. 1261 01:01:08,922 --> 01:01:13,621 Nothing like that to a degree and and a success. 1262 01:01:13,621 --> 01:01:17,532 There had never been a success like that prior to that point, 1263 01:01:17,572 --> 01:01:19,838 where, like it was the, it was greater than the sum of its 1264 01:01:19,898 --> 01:01:23,172 parts in terms of, like, how much the box office, you know, 1265 01:01:23,914 --> 01:01:27,699 uh, picked up after that and it just steamrolled into what. 1266 01:01:27,699 --> 01:01:29,302 What ended up happening? 1267 01:01:29,302 --> 01:01:30,445 Uh, with endgame. 1268 01:01:30,445 --> 01:01:31,331 You know what was it? 1269 01:01:31,371 --> 01:01:34,539 Speaker 3: 18, 19 films later yeah, you know, I don't know if 1270 01:01:34,579 --> 01:01:38,556 you guys like, when street fighter the movie came out it 1271 01:01:38,615 --> 01:01:42,688 was not great, you know, but it was like the first time that my 1272 01:01:42,728 --> 01:01:45,175 friends and I were like, oh man, it's the video. 1273 01:01:45,175 --> 01:01:48,501 Look, there's vega and there's m bison, and like we were just 1274 01:01:48,561 --> 01:01:51,836 happy to see them on the screen, like our, our standards were so 1275 01:01:51,836 --> 01:01:52,077 low. 1276 01:01:52,077 --> 01:01:54,282 Like, go back and watch street fighter it's. 1277 01:01:54,282 --> 01:01:57,978 It's a rough movie, you know, but I think it was just the 1278 01:01:58,057 --> 01:02:02,016 novelty, and the novelty is worn off and and, and, and they're. 1279 01:02:02,016 --> 01:02:04,829 They've played their card with their bit, with their biggest, 1280 01:02:04,929 --> 01:02:07,876 most exciting characters, and they're they're, you know. 1281 01:02:08,016 --> 01:02:11,494 I think that hopefully you're right, dakota, that we get this 1282 01:02:11,614 --> 01:02:12,036 reboot. 1283 01:02:12,036 --> 01:02:14,197 But what is that even going to mean? 1284 01:02:14,197 --> 01:02:15,976 Is it a reboot for fans? 1285 01:02:15,976 --> 01:02:19,539 Is it a new entry point for a new generation of kids to come 1286 01:02:19,641 --> 01:02:19,701 in? 1287 01:02:19,701 --> 01:02:22,818 Because I don't know if this is almost like a cyclical. 1288 01:02:22,818 --> 01:02:26,012 I don't know if this is some sort of cycle where you'll get 1289 01:02:26,052 --> 01:02:27,719 into it, you'll really enjoy that phase and then you phase 1290 01:02:27,739 --> 01:02:27,800 out. 1291 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,244 I don't know if this is some sort of cycle where you'll get 1292 01:02:29,264 --> 01:02:30,489 into it, you'll really enjoy that phase and then you phase 1293 01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:30,570 out. 1294 01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:32,514 I don't know. 1295 01:02:32,911 --> 01:02:33,976 Speaker 1: No, I see what you're saying. 1296 01:02:33,976 --> 01:02:36,559 Yeah, I think the issue is time . 1297 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,135 It doesn't work the same way that comics do, where you can 1298 01:02:40,677 --> 01:02:44,543 pick up a comic at any point and the characters are roughly the 1299 01:02:44,583 --> 01:02:46,045 same age as they were 20 years ago. 1300 01:02:46,045 --> 01:02:49,701 It doesn't work like that in real life, with real acting. 1301 01:02:49,701 --> 01:02:53,773 You're going to have to change actors eventually, especially if 1302 01:02:53,773 --> 01:02:55,097 you want to keep reusing the characters. 1303 01:02:55,769 --> 01:03:00,496 But as it stands currently, we're in a phase where we're now 1304 01:03:00,496 --> 01:03:05,155 treating the sidekicks of characters as the main 1305 01:03:05,175 --> 01:03:08,898 characters and we're trying to make the sidekicks of the 1306 01:03:08,938 --> 01:03:11,293 sidekicks just regular sidekicks . 1307 01:03:11,293 --> 01:03:14,681 At this point, um and that's that's a big part of why, like 1308 01:03:14,802 --> 01:03:16,998 falcon and the winter soldier didn't really do anything for me 1309 01:03:16,998 --> 01:03:19,791 , because or sorry, not falcon and the winter soldier, captain 1310 01:03:19,811 --> 01:03:23,603 america, brave new world um, it's because we've had sam 1311 01:03:23,623 --> 01:03:27,432 wilson be this sidekick character for several films. 1312 01:03:27,432 --> 01:03:31,141 At this point he had his own TV show and all that with Winter 1313 01:03:31,161 --> 01:03:35,034 Soldier, and in that TV show we're introduced to Joaquin 1314 01:03:35,054 --> 01:03:42,414 Torres, who plays the sidekick's sidekick, and in this movie he 1315 01:03:42,653 --> 01:03:46,302 gets bumped up to regular sidekick and he's trying to take 1316 01:03:46,302 --> 01:03:51,974 on the role of the Falcon, who is the second to Captain America 1317 01:03:51,974 --> 01:03:51,974 . 1318 01:03:51,974 --> 01:03:56,541 And I guess my issue with that is why not just make the Falcon 1319 01:03:57,264 --> 01:03:59,775 its own like top tier like. 1320 01:03:59,775 --> 01:04:02,865 Why not make the Falcon its own like top tier hero? 1321 01:04:02,925 --> 01:04:03,166 I'm not. 1322 01:04:03,166 --> 01:04:04,411 I'm not suggesting that. 1323 01:04:04,411 --> 01:04:07,659 I don't think it's a good idea for cap or for sam wilson to be 1324 01:04:08,181 --> 01:04:12,498 captain america, but denigrating falcon as a lesser hero to 1325 01:04:12,538 --> 01:04:15,530 captain america like this is a tiered system that you have to 1326 01:04:15,550 --> 01:04:20,242 like, level up to gives the whole sidekick thing meaning and 1327 01:04:20,242 --> 01:04:24,096 lessens the roles for future sidekicks down the line. 1328 01:04:24,096 --> 01:04:25,202 If that makes any sense, it's just. 1329 01:04:25,202 --> 01:04:26,086 It's just like you said. 1330 01:04:26,086 --> 01:04:29,001 It's a cyclical thing where, like, you level up sam wilson to 1331 01:04:29,001 --> 01:04:31,110 captain america, but now who's going to be the falcon, who's 1332 01:04:31,130 --> 01:04:32,956 going to be the sidekick to the new captain america? 1333 01:04:32,976 --> 01:04:35,322 well, it's the, the sidekick to the falcon. 1334 01:04:35,831 --> 01:04:39,237 Speaker 2: Uh, it's, it could be like an evolution in a way, 1335 01:04:39,257 --> 01:04:43,331 because like it's so, so like, think about, like batman or 1336 01:04:43,371 --> 01:04:47,498 robin right, it's hard to see robin as, like you know, 1337 01:04:47,557 --> 01:04:51,471 somebody other than a sidekick to batman, but then when he 1338 01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:55,338 becomes nightwing, you're like, okay, now, like it's like this, 1339 01:04:55,639 --> 01:05:00,594 this character is his own hero, you know it's, he's like his own 1340 01:05:00,594 --> 01:05:03,820 , it's like batman, but like different, you know. 1341 01:05:04,402 --> 01:05:06,775 And so I, I totally agree with you. 1342 01:05:06,775 --> 01:05:08,943 So like, maybe not as the falcon, but like you know, say 1343 01:05:08,983 --> 01:05:09,083 that. 1344 01:05:09,083 --> 01:05:09,985 So I, I totally agree with you. 1345 01:05:09,985 --> 01:05:11,210 So like, maybe not as the Falcon, but like you know, say 1346 01:05:11,231 --> 01:05:14,639 that Sam Wilson was the Falcon and he stayed the Falcon. 1347 01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:18,338 You know, instead of, yeah, him being a sidekick character, 1348 01:05:18,771 --> 01:05:21,538 there could have been like an evolution of that character. 1349 01:05:21,538 --> 01:05:25,222 Maybe you know there could be an evolution for that character 1350 01:05:25,282 --> 01:05:26,670 with, uh, joaquin Torres. 1351 01:05:26,670 --> 01:05:32,550 But you know, honestly, to tell you the truth, like, and it, I 1352 01:05:32,590 --> 01:05:34,556 like that you brought up the Falcon and Winter Soldier. 1353 01:05:34,556 --> 01:05:37,032 Honestly, to tell you the truth , I like that show more than I 1354 01:05:37,072 --> 01:05:37,735 like this movie. 1355 01:05:38,666 --> 01:05:41,186 Speaker 3: I thought you said the F in Winter Soldier and I 1356 01:05:41,206 --> 01:05:45,108 was like, whoa, this is very powerful, anthony, I don't know 1357 01:05:45,128 --> 01:05:47,889 if you were reading at this time , but there was a point in time 1358 01:05:47,909 --> 01:05:53,010 where, essentially, amadeus Cho became Hulk, jane Foster became 1359 01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:58,329 Thor, sam Wilson became Captain America, right, uh, and I think 1360 01:05:58,349 --> 01:05:58,588 there was. 1361 01:05:58,769 --> 01:06:02,458 There was another one, uh, but oh, Riri Williams came out as 1362 01:06:02,478 --> 01:06:06,012 kind of Ironheart, right and and , and I think, uh, miss, and, 1363 01:06:06,032 --> 01:06:08,144 then right, I mean, right around the same time, I think, miss 1364 01:06:08,164 --> 01:06:12,331 Marvel, uh, kamala Harris, uh, not Kamala Harris, kamala Khan, 1365 01:06:12,893 --> 01:06:17,400 kam, come on, came around, and for me kamala khan was the only 1366 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,550 one that really stuck and, and maybe that's because I I had 1367 01:06:20,612 --> 01:06:23,746 less of an established version or vision in my head of miss 1368 01:06:23,786 --> 01:06:28,074 marvel overall, but that was a rough time for marvel, like the 1369 01:06:28,175 --> 01:06:31,065 fans were not happy and you know , and it was. 1370 01:06:31,106 --> 01:06:36,275 They were trying to take the ip or the hero's name and put 1371 01:06:36,315 --> 01:06:37,958 somebody else there and make it work. 1372 01:06:37,958 --> 01:06:41,132 And, anthony, to your point, the thing that Marvel didn't do 1373 01:06:41,371 --> 01:06:44,865 was they didn't have this person be a new person, they had this 1374 01:06:44,925 --> 01:06:49,155 person try to be the person that people knew as somebody else. 1375 01:06:49,155 --> 01:06:52,311 And yeah, you know what that maybe worked with Ghost Rider, 1376 01:06:52,925 --> 01:06:56,929 but I don't think you can't just pull that off with marquee 1377 01:06:56,969 --> 01:07:01,248 characters, right, and I think that's part of the issue also is 1378 01:07:01,248 --> 01:07:05,231 that some audiences you know, yeah, you're learning that Sam 1379 01:07:05,271 --> 01:07:07,492 Wilson and look, I like the Sam Wilson part, I do. 1380 01:07:07,492 --> 01:07:11,135 But you could even see that they did it a little bit with, 1381 01:07:11,204 --> 01:07:13,909 they did that storyline a little bit in Thor, love and Thunder 1382 01:07:14,472 --> 01:07:16,628 or no is it Love? 1383 01:07:16,688 --> 01:07:17,369 Speaker 1: and with with? 1384 01:07:17,849 --> 01:07:21,496 Speaker 3: uh, you know and and they did and look it's, it's the 1385 01:07:21,496 --> 01:07:22,137 movies. 1386 01:07:22,137 --> 01:07:24,369 It's weird, but it's the movies where they're almost kind of 1387 01:07:24,391 --> 01:07:28,706 like replacing some of these characters where people are less 1388 01:07:28,706 --> 01:07:32,054 than enthused because you know that that's that lack of 1389 01:07:32,114 --> 01:07:32,596 investment. 1390 01:07:32,596 --> 01:07:35,994 You know, and and and dakota, you said it before. 1391 01:07:35,994 --> 01:07:38,851 You said, time's the issue where you just pick up and put 1392 01:07:38,871 --> 01:07:39,353 down a comic. 1393 01:07:39,353 --> 01:07:41,827 But the other problem is, is that time's an issue also with 1394 01:07:41,847 --> 01:07:42,369 the actors? 1395 01:07:42,369 --> 01:07:43,873 Right, comics freeze time. 1396 01:07:43,873 --> 01:07:48,391 The characters don't have to age, and they do here and, as 1397 01:07:48,472 --> 01:07:52,664 you've chronicled very, in a very detailed way, part of the 1398 01:07:52,704 --> 01:07:55,360 other problem is this damn continuity, right, where, 1399 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,409 because you got, uh, people paying attention to dates and 1400 01:07:58,811 --> 01:08:03,027 and they have to be, they have to do things that make sense and 1401 01:08:03,027 --> 01:08:06,153 they're they're kind of getting themselves trapped because of 1402 01:08:06,173 --> 01:08:11,010 the constraints of time and and space that comics don't have to 1403 01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:11,530 inhabit. 1404 01:08:11,911 --> 01:08:16,257 Speaker 1: I've I've come up with a like reviewing method 1405 01:08:16,377 --> 01:08:19,469 that I don't always employ for everything, but if I'm if I'm 1406 01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:24,248 like trying to be really critical about something, um, or 1407 01:08:24,248 --> 01:08:26,698 I'm trying to understand why it worked or why it didn't, I'll 1408 01:08:26,738 --> 01:08:27,201 employ it. 1409 01:08:27,201 --> 01:08:32,072 And it's actually influenced heavily by thanos's infinity 1410 01:08:32,091 --> 01:08:35,238 gauntlet, it's's the six infinity stones. 1411 01:08:35,238 --> 01:08:40,186 You know they focus on different aspects of you know 1412 01:08:40,527 --> 01:08:45,175 you got reality, mind, time, space and so on and so forth. 1413 01:08:45,175 --> 01:08:51,974 And if you take those concepts, say time, let's just focus on 1414 01:08:52,014 --> 01:08:54,364 time, because that's a big part of what I do with my YouTube 1415 01:08:54,404 --> 01:08:55,085 channel is focus on, like the. 1416 01:08:55,085 --> 01:08:56,485 That's a big part of what I do with my YouTube channel. 1417 01:08:56,485 --> 01:08:58,466 It's focused on the timelines and continuity and stuff. 1418 01:08:58,466 --> 01:09:06,548 You can pinpoint how well a movie realizes time, because 1419 01:09:06,588 --> 01:09:09,609 time is a concept that is encompassed in every single 1420 01:09:09,649 --> 01:09:10,511 story ever told. 1421 01:09:10,511 --> 01:09:15,231 If you say a sentence that this person went here and then he 1422 01:09:15,292 --> 01:09:20,774 went here, that's a story and it has a linear like one, two and 1423 01:09:20,833 --> 01:09:21,094 three. 1424 01:09:21,094 --> 01:09:25,756 You know like time is an integral part of that story and 1425 01:09:25,775 --> 01:09:27,636 it's a part of every story. 1426 01:09:27,636 --> 01:09:28,997 And then you have space. 1427 01:09:28,997 --> 01:09:33,998 You know, like another way you can visualize this is in I'm 1428 01:09:34,019 --> 01:09:37,439 going to bring up Star Wars, obi-wan Kenobi. 1429 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:43,761 There's a lot of visual aid to the idea that space is very 1430 01:09:43,801 --> 01:09:47,363 important, because what you can see on camera may not translate 1431 01:09:47,382 --> 01:09:48,984 to what the script actually entails. 1432 01:09:48,984 --> 01:09:53,230 So there's several scenes in the visual of Obi-Wan Kenobi 1433 01:09:53,251 --> 01:09:57,217 where you can say wait a minute, those characters can just walk 1434 01:09:57,257 --> 01:09:58,079 around that obstacle. 1435 01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:00,431 That's on-screen space. 1436 01:10:00,945 --> 01:10:06,577 You can review, you can critique this piece based on the space, 1437 01:10:06,778 --> 01:10:11,226 the spatial awareness of the actors, the direction and the 1438 01:10:11,247 --> 01:10:12,873 way that the script unfurls. 1439 01:10:12,873 --> 01:10:17,938 You can review things on a scale of reality. 1440 01:10:17,938 --> 01:10:21,807 You can say that this is realistic because in this 1441 01:10:21,948 --> 01:10:26,213 universe this makes sense, because in XYZ episode of Doctor 1442 01:10:26,213 --> 01:10:29,784 who they've already established that this happens. 1443 01:10:29,784 --> 01:10:33,355 So this has always been a possibility in this episode. 1444 01:10:33,355 --> 01:10:34,952 So you can't really argue that point. 1445 01:10:34,952 --> 01:10:39,251 So you can bring reality as it, as it works within that 1446 01:10:39,411 --> 01:10:41,434 universe, into this. 1447 01:10:41,434 --> 01:10:45,198 You know world or you can keep going with this logic. 1448 01:10:45,198 --> 01:10:46,541 You know Mind Stone. 1449 01:10:46,541 --> 01:10:50,475 You can bring real, real world calculations into things. 1450 01:10:50,475 --> 01:10:51,467 You can. 1451 01:10:51,467 --> 01:10:52,845 Soul Stone, you can. 1452 01:10:52,886 --> 01:10:55,018 Speaker 2: You can bring in like real world or like 1453 01:10:55,097 --> 01:10:59,890 relationships between characters yeah, man, it's, it's going, 1454 01:11:00,072 --> 01:11:03,899 it's it's going rough for the, uh, the mcu these days. 1455 01:11:03,899 --> 01:11:06,849 I just, I don't know, man it's. 1456 01:11:06,849 --> 01:11:10,377 You know, like, like, I'll agree with you about, you know, 1457 01:11:10,417 --> 01:11:13,610 a little bit of the excitement with the fantastic four. 1458 01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:18,346 But you know, I mean I still I think I'm going into that one 1459 01:11:18,386 --> 01:11:23,037 cautiously, optimistic, and usually when I go into something 1460 01:11:23,037 --> 01:11:25,408 like that that seems promising. 1461 01:11:25,408 --> 01:11:27,011 You know I'm I'm proven wrong. 1462 01:11:27,011 --> 01:11:29,738 You know I the, you know live action one piece. 1463 01:11:29,738 --> 01:11:34,595 You know I went to that one cautiously, like, you know, not 1464 01:11:34,635 --> 01:11:36,859 too sure it ended up being a lot better than I thought. 1465 01:11:39,047 --> 01:11:40,552 Speaker 1: You're excited about Superman. 1466 01:11:40,953 --> 01:11:43,512 Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, it looks good man. 1467 01:11:43,512 --> 01:11:47,411 To me it looks good, and it's been a while since we've had a 1468 01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:48,654 solid DC film. 1469 01:11:48,654 --> 01:11:53,935 The thing is that we need DC to succeed so that Marvel gets 1470 01:11:54,015 --> 01:11:54,296 better. 1471 01:11:54,296 --> 01:11:57,587 When there's no competition, you could just throw out 1472 01:11:57,608 --> 01:11:59,774 whatever crap, you Just whatever . 1473 01:12:00,265 --> 01:12:01,610 Speaker 1: People will just go to see it. 1474 01:12:01,610 --> 01:12:06,451 Competition breeds creativity, so I do agree about that. 1475 01:12:06,451 --> 01:12:09,828 I don't know why I was talking about my Infinity Gauntlet 1476 01:12:11,252 --> 01:12:12,336 ranking system just now. 1477 01:12:12,506 --> 01:12:12,666 Speaker 3: What? 1478 01:12:12,666 --> 01:12:14,233 Maybe you saw that was wrong. 1479 01:12:14,233 --> 01:12:15,730 That didn't work in this movie. 1480 01:12:16,212 --> 01:12:18,493 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not going to go into all that. 1481 01:12:18,493 --> 01:12:23,487 I was just, you know, like the Marvel Cinematic Universe is and 1482 01:12:23,487 --> 01:12:24,953 can be, a creative genius. 1483 01:12:24,953 --> 01:12:28,555 It can be a realm of, you know, creative possibility. 1484 01:12:28,555 --> 01:12:31,787 There are so many characters for it to play with and, unlike 1485 01:12:32,009 --> 01:12:34,690 Andor, which we covered a couple weeks back and we're going to 1486 01:12:34,711 --> 01:12:38,572 cover next week spoiler alert are we no I thought we were 1487 01:12:38,612 --> 01:12:39,514 waiting two more years. 1488 01:12:39,734 --> 01:12:42,149 We're gonna wait two more years uh, no, I'm kidding, we're 1489 01:12:42,168 --> 01:12:42,890 covering it next week. 1490 01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:47,586 Uh, and our season two episodes , one through six, unlike andor, 1491 01:12:47,586 --> 01:12:52,216 which, when backed into a corner of continuity or like you 1492 01:12:52,216 --> 01:12:54,009 know, like they get backed into a corner of canon. 1493 01:12:54,009 --> 01:12:54,371 They thrive there. 1494 01:12:54,371 --> 01:12:55,658 When you back sam wilson, as they get backed into a corner of 1495 01:12:55,658 --> 01:12:56,363 canon, they thrive there. 1496 01:12:56,363 --> 01:13:00,453 When you back sam wilson as captain america into a corner of 1497 01:13:00,453 --> 01:13:02,858 canon in the mcu, it doesn't make any sense. 1498 01:13:02,858 --> 01:13:04,608 Sorry, I'm like losing my voice . 1499 01:13:04,748 --> 01:13:10,359 Speaker 3: I think, I think and I'm not sure if it's whoever's 1500 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:15,673 overseeing everything, uh, but I feel like the star wars writers 1501 01:13:15,673 --> 01:13:19,328 that are hired and maybe I might be, I might be way off, 1502 01:13:19,408 --> 01:13:22,333 maybe they're just very good at what they do, but I feel like 1503 01:13:22,394 --> 01:13:23,997 they know it so well. 1504 01:13:23,997 --> 01:13:29,274 There's something about that, and I wonder how many people 1505 01:13:29,354 --> 01:13:34,975 working on this project know these characters so sometimes 1506 01:13:34,996 --> 01:13:37,024 you need somebody to think outside the box. 1507 01:13:37,064 --> 01:13:40,029 Speaker 2: Remember we were talking about how the rogue one 1508 01:13:40,069 --> 01:13:46,765 director who is also over and or , really was not a star wars fan 1509 01:13:46,765 --> 01:13:50,971 and really was not all about that that uh, you know that 1510 01:13:51,533 --> 01:13:56,279 series, you know that world, but he wrote it differently. 1511 01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:58,542 He wrote it as it was. 1512 01:13:58,542 --> 01:14:03,070 It was themed as, like rogue one, was a war movie. 1513 01:14:03,070 --> 01:14:07,666 It was a straight-up war movie but it happened to be set in the 1514 01:14:07,666 --> 01:14:11,514 star wars universe and that's what a lot of marvel movies 1515 01:14:11,673 --> 01:14:13,698 thrived in there were. 1516 01:14:13,698 --> 01:14:17,545 There were themed movies that just happened to be in the mcu, 1517 01:14:17,765 --> 01:14:20,130 like one one that I really liked . 1518 01:14:20,411 --> 01:14:22,354 That was the winter soldier. 1519 01:14:22,354 --> 01:14:25,806 That was a, that was a spy, that was like a spy thriller 1520 01:14:25,886 --> 01:14:27,550 film but in the mcu. 1521 01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:33,346 And so the that's what we got with andor and I think that that 1522 01:14:33,346 --> 01:14:36,735 a lot of the mcu needs to kind of go back to that, like you 1523 01:14:36,775 --> 01:14:36,896 know. 1524 01:14:36,896 --> 01:14:38,148 Go back to. 1525 01:14:38,148 --> 01:14:40,393 I mean, I know that this one could, you could consider this 1526 01:14:40,493 --> 01:14:45,551 one like a political film, but they were still trying to do too 1527 01:14:45,551 --> 01:14:50,002 much on a grander scale that it just didn't work for this film 1528 01:14:50,342 --> 01:14:53,953 what was up with the leader randomly saying I'm the hero, 1529 01:14:54,274 --> 01:14:58,645 like in all your infinite wisdom , you cannot tell that you're 1530 01:14:58,685 --> 01:14:59,106 the villain? 1531 01:14:59,807 --> 01:15:00,328 Speaker 1: I I was. 1532 01:15:00,328 --> 01:15:04,939 I was really like boggled at that line choice uh by the, by 1533 01:15:04,958 --> 01:15:05,284 the writers. 1534 01:15:05,284 --> 01:15:09,250 But yeah, I, I to go along with what you're saying, anthony the 1535 01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:10,631 , uh, the mcu has marvel parliament. 1536 01:15:10,631 --> 01:15:16,140 The MCU has Marvel Parliament versus Star Wars having the 1537 01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:17,201 Lucasfilm Story Group. 1538 01:15:17,201 --> 01:15:21,972 The Marvel Parliament is basically just a bunch of 1539 01:15:22,052 --> 01:15:25,920 producers who meet together regularly to discuss what the 1540 01:15:25,939 --> 01:15:29,024 latest is on each of their respective projects, because 1541 01:15:29,045 --> 01:15:30,667 they do group things up into different. 1542 01:15:30,667 --> 01:15:33,510 You know like you get these films, you get these shows 1543 01:15:33,670 --> 01:15:33,970 whatever. 1544 01:15:33,970 --> 01:15:35,150 You know like you get these films, you get these shows 1545 01:15:35,190 --> 01:15:35,390 whatever. 1546 01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:38,694 The Lucasfilm Story Group has members for each section of 1547 01:15:38,734 --> 01:15:43,738 continuity, whether it's concept art or timeline or the way 1548 01:15:43,819 --> 01:15:46,662 creatures are portrayed on screen and on the page. 1549 01:15:59,725 --> 01:16:00,787 Speaker 2: And you know, like there's there's a way, way, way 1550 01:16:00,828 --> 01:16:02,030 more attention to detail within like continuity within the 1551 01:16:02,051 --> 01:16:03,295 Lucasfilm Story Group than there ever will be within Marvel 1552 01:16:03,314 --> 01:16:04,478 Parliament, as, as the you know, the way it stands currently. 1553 01:16:04,478 --> 01:16:05,380 So I think that's part of the issue, yeah, man. 1554 01:16:05,380 --> 01:16:06,523 So you know, we're kind of we're kind of getting a little 1555 01:16:06,542 --> 01:16:06,884 bit deep in there. 1556 01:16:06,884 --> 01:16:10,609 Uh, let's get some last minute thoughts on this movie rich, how 1557 01:16:10,609 --> 01:16:10,850 about? 1558 01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:12,412 You rich, throw it, throw it down. 1559 01:16:12,894 --> 01:16:18,166 Speaker 3: Look, I mean I'm going to be honest, here Sitting 1560 01:16:18,166 --> 01:16:22,037 on my couch putting that on Disney Plus yeah, why not? 1561 01:16:22,037 --> 01:16:28,378 I cannot say to anybody out there, don't watch this film. 1562 01:16:28,378 --> 01:16:33,006 Now, if I had watched it in the theater, I would have said, eh, 1563 01:16:33,006 --> 01:16:34,311 wait for it to come on Disney Plus. 1564 01:16:34,311 --> 01:16:38,613 But to spend a couple hours on my couch watching some marvel 1565 01:16:38,653 --> 01:16:40,475 content, I was fine, you know, I . 1566 01:16:40,475 --> 01:16:43,912 I just I've lowered my expectations and I'm not sure if 1567 01:16:43,912 --> 01:16:47,505 that's because I'm 43, right, and I don't know if I, I don't 1568 01:16:47,505 --> 01:16:49,427 know if I get excited as much anymore. 1569 01:16:49,427 --> 01:16:54,516 You know, uh, in terms of, like , highs and lows, I don't get as 1570 01:16:54,516 --> 01:16:57,149 as high but I also don't get as low, so I'm kind of more in the 1571 01:16:57,149 --> 01:16:57,832 middle, you know. 1572 01:16:58,244 --> 01:17:01,854 So did it give me more content about characters that I 1573 01:17:01,914 --> 01:17:02,657 generally love? 1574 01:17:02,657 --> 01:17:06,207 Yeah, did it give me some scenes that I I kind of enjoyed 1575 01:17:06,288 --> 01:17:10,346 and enjoyed seeing the way I thought the fight, some of the 1576 01:17:10,466 --> 01:17:15,158 flying scenes, and the way that they kind of incorporated the 1577 01:17:15,326 --> 01:17:19,871 Wakandan, the wakandan armor, I think what did a really good job 1578 01:17:19,871 --> 01:17:23,725 of kind of explaining how sam wilson can do all these things 1579 01:17:23,805 --> 01:17:26,110 despite the fact that he doesn't have the super soldier serum, 1580 01:17:26,231 --> 01:17:26,533 you know. 1581 01:17:26,533 --> 01:17:29,988 So I mean, I mean, but the truth is this, and and and this 1582 01:17:30,047 --> 01:17:33,373 happens in the comic too, you know, he's not captain america, 1583 01:17:33,613 --> 01:17:37,945 he's he's falcon, he's sam wilson, you know, and that's 1584 01:17:38,006 --> 01:17:38,287 okay. 1585 01:17:38,287 --> 01:17:43,293 Uh, but I, I, I think this is fine, that's it. 1586 01:17:43,293 --> 01:17:47,447 It's fine, I get, it's not good , it's not bad, it's it's just, 1587 01:17:47,726 --> 01:17:48,389 it exists. 1588 01:17:48,389 --> 01:17:50,333 It's better than secret invasion. 1589 01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:53,228 You're not going to slam your fist and be angry about stuff. 1590 01:17:53,228 --> 01:17:55,595 You're not going to throw your hands up and be like I can't 1591 01:17:55,635 --> 01:17:59,054 believe it, but you're also not going to be like wow, that was 1592 01:17:59,113 --> 01:17:59,695 really awesome. 1593 01:18:00,345 --> 01:18:03,493 Speaker 2: If you had to rank it , where would you rank it? 1594 01:18:03,493 --> 01:18:04,537 On one to ten. 1595 01:18:07,286 --> 01:18:08,010 Speaker 3: That's a tough one. 1596 01:18:08,010 --> 01:18:10,630 I mean, I don't know how much Marvel stuff goes over seven 1597 01:18:10,649 --> 01:18:11,211 these days. 1598 01:18:11,211 --> 01:18:16,168 I'm not lying, I put it at a. 1599 01:18:16,168 --> 01:18:18,759 I put it at this, I don't. 1600 01:18:18,759 --> 01:18:22,913 Okay, passing of my school is 65, so I'm gonna say 6.5. 1601 01:18:22,913 --> 01:18:25,823 You did not get out of the park , kid, all right, but uh, you 1602 01:18:25,844 --> 01:18:28,488 know you're not going to summer school um, this is a top five 1603 01:18:28,587 --> 01:18:39,198 mcu movie for me I really loved it, you know I I'm sorry you cut 1604 01:18:39,198 --> 01:18:39,920 my laughing out. 1605 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,905 I'm sorry that's too much that's staying. 1606 01:18:41,985 --> 01:18:43,088 Speaker 1: That's staying right where it is. 1607 01:18:43,088 --> 01:18:44,814 No, it's, it's a genuinely good movie. 1608 01:18:44,814 --> 01:18:44,954 It's. 1609 01:18:44,954 --> 01:18:46,408 It's a really fun popcorn flick . 1610 01:18:46,408 --> 01:18:48,274 I'm I'm pissed that I didn't see it in theaters. 1611 01:18:48,274 --> 01:18:51,606 Um, really nice seeing live tyler back. 1612 01:18:51,606 --> 01:18:56,423 Really nice seeing the the leader back and the special 1613 01:18:56,463 --> 01:18:59,939 effects when it comes to the Red Hulk, and then like the blown 1614 01:18:59,979 --> 01:19:01,229 out scenery around them. 1615 01:19:01,229 --> 01:19:03,271 You know like it was gorgeous. 1616 01:19:03,271 --> 01:19:07,408 It reminded me of, you know, past times I went to DC and it 1617 01:19:07,448 --> 01:19:08,752 was all like destroyed and stuff . 1618 01:19:08,752 --> 01:19:09,935 It was really. 1619 01:19:09,935 --> 01:19:12,819 We'll watch again for sure. 1620 01:19:12,819 --> 01:19:13,925 Anthony, what are your thoughts ? 1621 01:19:15,247 --> 01:19:19,595 Speaker 2: Well, mine is that it's definitely not a movie, 1622 01:19:19,636 --> 01:19:24,416 theater film, something that, yes, that waiting to. 1623 01:19:24,416 --> 01:19:28,411 I mean, obviously it's on Disney Plus now, but if we were 1624 01:19:28,570 --> 01:19:32,007 covering it while it was still in the theaters, definitely yeah 1625 01:19:32,007 --> 01:19:34,676 , it would be a Disney Plus movie. 1626 01:19:34,676 --> 01:19:38,002 Rich, you definitely gave it a lot of grace. 1627 01:19:38,002 --> 01:19:40,447 I would give this thing a 4.5. 1628 01:19:40,447 --> 01:19:44,032 Not, I mean, it's not possible. 1629 01:19:44,032 --> 01:19:51,207 As an mcu film it's okay, it's decent, but like I can't put 1630 01:19:51,247 --> 01:19:53,938 this over a five, I really I just can just can't. 1631 01:19:53,978 --> 01:19:56,670 Speaker 1: I really I'm going to , I'm going to disagree with you 1632 01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:56,911 here. 1633 01:19:56,911 --> 01:20:02,949 The way I like in this movie is it's it's like the first three 1634 01:20:03,130 --> 01:20:05,747 seasons of agents of shield, you know, like when they had that 1635 01:20:05,847 --> 01:20:08,988 big finale episode where they brought back some real big MCU 1636 01:20:09,029 --> 01:20:13,867 cameos, uh, like Samuel Jackson, for like a scene, um, and then 1637 01:20:14,007 --> 01:20:17,237 the rest of it was like a semi-political thriller slash, 1638 01:20:18,046 --> 01:20:20,011 you know like sci-fi series. 1639 01:20:20,011 --> 01:20:22,157 You know that's how this felt. 1640 01:20:22,706 --> 01:20:26,315 Speaker 3: It was a really good early Agents of SHIELD finale 1641 01:20:26,676 --> 01:20:30,172 you know, I think, guys, that I must report that it seems that 1642 01:20:30,193 --> 01:20:34,555 Dakota is actually a Skrull and has been for this entire episode 1643 01:20:34,555 --> 01:20:39,890 I thinkota broke somewhere along the lines yeah, yeah, I'm 1644 01:20:40,011 --> 01:20:44,338 uh, you know what will fix me, though, kind of like how, uh, 1645 01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,011 you know, everett thunderbolt ross was taking those pills that 1646 01:20:48,011 --> 01:20:48,673 juiced him up. 1647 01:20:48,974 --> 01:20:52,588 Speaker 1: You guys need to juice this podcast up with a 1648 01:20:52,668 --> 01:20:54,152 five-star juicy review. 1649 01:20:54,152 --> 01:21:00,537 We really thrive on that, just like 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