Speaker 1: Alrighty, guys, we are.
You know, here in the undergrounds we are a rebel sect
called the Gentle Lads and you know we are hiding from the
Empire.
Welcome to episode 124 of Project Geekology.
And this week we are covering the first six episodes of Andor,
season two.
And I know, I said you know Rebel Sect of Gentle Lads.
You know it's a little inside joke that we have off of the
podcast.
You know now it's on the podcast, so you guys have joined
us.
But, yes, I am one third of your host, anthony, and joining
me, as always, is Dakota.
Speaker 2: And yeah, gentle Lads is the name of our text group
and I will be sure to change that as soon as possible because
we have to keep you guys guessing.
Yeah, I'm really excited to be talking about Andor, season two,
the first six episodes, a lot of rebel sex activity and yeah,
yeah, my name is Dakota and I'm joined as always with, and, yeah
, my name's.
Speaker 3: Dakota and I'm joined as always with Rich.
Glad to be with you guys.
You know, honestly, my redonium's running a little low
and I just needed a little bit more of a fix of Andor.
So happy to be talking about episodes one through six with
you guys.
Speaker 2: Now I'm kind of upset that I didn't start the podcast
in my Saw Gerrera voice.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You can do that next week.
Speaker 2: Rhydonium, it's like my sister.
Speaker 3: That was wild.
I was very confused, like the first time around.
I was like wait, what's going on?
Man Guys, this guy is.
We find a lot more about Saw Gerrera.
Speaker 1: We do.
But before we get into that, it's been two weeks.
We had a little bit of a week off, but now we are back to it,
strong, with Andor, season 2.
Like I said, it's going to be the first six episodes this week
and then we'll do the remaining episodes next week.
Too bad, we don't wait on Rogue One, because we could have let
up to Rogue One, but we already did a Rogue One episode.
So after you listen to this season, you can go back to the
Rogue One episode and go listen to that.
But yes, like I said, it's been two weeks.
I'm going to go to Rich.
Rich, what have you been up to?
And we do know that it's been a lot of baseball, but what else
have you been doing outside of baseball?
Speaker 3: I.
So I I shockingly do have outside of baseball news,
although there was much baseball I.
I do want to highlight that.
But I got a for father's day.
My son and my wife got me this.
I should.
It's this it looks like an action figure but it's actually
like a kind of piece of plexiglass, almost that has the
image inside of it.
So it just has me and it says gamer dad.
This is like a normal dad, but much cooler.
And then the controller next to me has my son's name under it.
So I got that and my son's idea was to grab me a N64 controller
that connects to the Switch.
And I promptly schooled him in Mario 64.
I'm not going to lie, the pure jubilation.
So he immediately was like this is much faster than Mario Kart
Deluxe.
He felt that even the 50ccs was faster for some reason.
And man, I remember those.
I wasn't sure if I would remember the shortcuts and where
I needed to drift and where I had to stop drifting, but it all
came back.
You, you fell back into step.
Yeah, it was impressive holding that controller.
It was different, like I, it felt different than playing
mario kart deluxe.
I, I just I really enjoyed it.
And then I did something a little crazy.
We've gotten my son a number of things for graduation.
He's graduating fifth grade this year, even though it's just
kind of a legal state requirement that everyone has to
go through, because it's not much of an accomplishment.
Speaker 2: It's not like you have a choice, but anyway we got
to celebrate him yeah, you can't get held back in new york
state anymore at that early of an age.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but he's been talking about the switch to
a lot and I finally I was gonna ask about that.
Speaker 2: I found a tracker.
Speaker 3: I found a tracker.
I found I started following a twitter account and there was,
uh, the.
There was news that they were dropping it on june 11th, so at
like 11 o'clock luckily, my classes are pretty much winding
down.
The rumor was from 9 to 12, so I just basically was just
spamming the reload button and, as luck would have it, I got
myself a pickup model, so it should be arriving on friday.
By the time you guys hear this, I'll hopefully already have it
and unveil the news to charlie.
So I'm very happy to find out that the controller is
compatible with the new one, cause I was like, oh no, what if
it's not compatible?
Speaker 1: but it all is.
Speaker 3: And I'm very excited.
I'm going to be driving to Yonk to go grab this and luckily
it's not a GameStop in Texas, because I don't know if you guys
heard of the news, but it was something like $1.6 million or
more than that.
Switch 2s were stolen.
A shipment was hijacked on its way to GameStop Texas, so
something like 280,000 units or something were stolen.
And just imagine if you had a pre-order and you were about to
go pick that thing up.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's wild actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually I did.
That's crazy, that's wild actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is actually.
I did not know that.
That is awesome, though it's amazing that we hold these
things like N64 controllers as pinnacles of creation, but it's
one of the least ergonomical controllers.
Speaker 3: How do you hold it?
It was terrible.
He's like how do you hold this for racing?
Speaker 2: And I'm like oh, you got in the middle here, buddy,
it makes sense, but what an era of gaming like.
Speaker 3: It was such a such a fun time.
I cannot wait till I play him with what is it called slappers
only in golden eye this good old slap fest golden eye session.
And then you pick odd job because he's slightly shorter
than the other guys and you have an unfair advantage because
their chops go over your head.
I can't wait to spam him that way like I'm just.
I'm so excited to use my knowledge to once again assert
my gaming dominance in the household yeah, but you know can
.
Speaker 1: Can you beat him in diddy kong racing?
Speaker 3: oh, I mean, that was one of my favorites, I'm not
gonna lie, I really loved using the helicopters in that game,
loved the diddy kong racing man.
Yeah, I think that like one of my favorites, I'm not gonna lie,
I really loved using the helicopters in that game.
Speaker 1: Loved the diddy kong racing man.
Yeah, I think that like one of my favorite things about it was
mario kart was fun, but diddy kong racing had like all these
different types of vehicles they had like airplanes, these like
hovercraft, you know regular vehicles, like it would change
up and so like that was one of my favorite things.
And then you had a bunch of like characters across rare that
you could play.
That was fun, but but yeah, um a good tracker?
I don't know if I know that you said that you had been following
a tracker but, there is a good one that I had used in the past
called now in stock, and I had actually used that one to snag a
ps5 way back when.
Oh yeah, that one.
Speaker 3: I think I used that one because I had it.
I had that one going on the computer the entire time.
I was searching for a ps5 on the desktop and like that was
during like pandemic time, so I was teaching from home and
everything.
And one late night my wife is sitting in front of the computer
and I hear that beep.
Look, it could have been interpreted as other things, but
I launched her from that chair.
Essentially I jumped like the Black Panther and just jumped to
get that.
I'll never forget the feeling.
I mean, those were days where I was waking up at I had to teach
at nine or like 830 and I would show up at Walmart in yonkers
or something, because I heard rumors that there were three
available, and I would walk into the store.
They would just be like it's not available.
I'm like thank you, have a good day.
Turn around and then get back, jump in front of the computer,
be like hi guys, sorry, I'm a couple minutes late, it's got
back from walmart.
They're like did you secured a bag?
Speaker 1: I'm like I did not, guys, I did not so you know, the
the funny thing is is that, as much of a gamer as I am, I just
I.
I don't care to do all that.
I'm like no, I'm sorry, but no, you're just gonna wait till
it's.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait until I can get one.
Speaker 1: That's just my thing and dakota knows like I am the
gamer of this podcast or like for the longest time.
Like you know, I I talk about all the time that's my thing.
You like where you guys are like watching stuff, I'm feeling
that time gaming.
But when it came to the ps5, I wasn't gonna go try to go to
some back alley behind walmart and do a handshake deal to get a
ps5.
I'm not doing all that.
I saw that they had them available to buy at gamStop.
One time I happened to go online.
I ordered it and picked it up and called it a day other than
that.
I'm not doing all that.
I'm sorry, I just don't get into the FOMO like that.
When I get the PS5, I get the PS5, you know well, to be fair,
I can't remember what game it was.
Speaker 3: There had to be a wrestling game or something.
There's always a reason.
Or maybe it was FIFA.
There was a reason why I needed to get the ps5, not because I
wanted the ps5, but because I think that fifa wasn't releasing
one game.
And maybe it wasn't fifa.
There was a game that was not going to be releasing on ps4
anymore.
Maybe it was marvel and with the switch.
Honestly, the only reason I did this is because of charlie.
So, yeah, no, I get that this one.
I actually was like telling him like, dude, the launch titles
are weak.
I mean, you know, mario kart's gonna be fun, but like, then
it's over, that's it.
Like, you know, you don't need to rush to get this blah blah,
but he's been watching all those videos on.
He's got, you know, watches youtube as much as the rest of
us.
So he's like, oh and, and the way the controllers go?
Like he's.
And I'm like, dude, you gotta stop watching reviews of the
console, you're gonna go crazy are you?
Speaker 1: did you get the mario kart world bundle one?
Or yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, that, honestly, that's the
smart play right there.
Yeah, because mario kart world is 80 on its own, but when you
get the bundle, you're getting it for 30 cheaper oh, I'm glad
that happened, yeah, yeah so.
So the system itself is 450, the bundle is 500.
So mind you, you buy the 450, say you get the 450 bundle, and
then you buy the game.
Speaker 3: You know you're spending an extra 30 and, gentle
lads, I left this part out.
You know what happens with the Switch 1, right?
This guy right here just got a new Switch 1 to play, so it's
the very first hand-me-up in my family that's going to happen.
Where he's going to hand me up the Switch, oh, I like that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know this yet, but yeah, it's mine so I
just find it so funny that we've gotten to a point in, like tech
cycles that you know we have to make back alley deals, like
they're like drugs, you know, like my precious right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it just makes you wonder it makes me
feel like I was part of the rebellion, honestly like I feel
like I could be hanging out with andor and bix and cintra not,
not val.
I don't, she doesn't.
I don't like her much I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a little harsh.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for her on occasion, but she's a little
harsh yeah, what were you up to the last couple weeks dakota,
last couple weeks, dakota.
Speaker 2: Last couple weeks yeah, because it's been two
weeks since we recorded last but you know, not a whole lot.
I in my personal life my, you know, secular work I am training
.
Right now I'm doing like a bunch of test prep for my
journeyman's license, so I'm excited about that.
That should be coming two Saturdays from now that I take
that test, and so just a lot of like studying learning diagrams,
understanding Ohm's law, stuff like that, and, yeah, a lot of
like last minute.
Not a lot, you know for riches and a lot, but for me it is a
lot of baseball games.
I've just been supporting my local New York teams.
One team won and the other team lost, but I enjoyed myself.
Baseball is fun.
I went to two games.
It wasn't a Mets versus Yankees game, it was Yankees versus Red
Sox.
They won.
And I went to a Mets game and they lost, but the food was
better.
The food was better than Yankee Stadium.
That's what matters in the end.
Speaker 1: I know you made Rich proud by going to see the Mets.
Speaker 2: I will also make Rich proud by announcing that I had
two hot dogs at the Yankee Stadium and I had two hot dogs
at Mets Stadium.
The two dogs at Yankee Stadium were the worst glizzies of my
life.
Like they were just it was like pre-made, like wrapped hot dogs
and the buns were like squished , like they were like rolled
into little burritos.
I was and I was like what is?
This is the worst.
The condiment station sucked, so that was rough, but I I had a
pretty good hot dog, two hot dogs actually at that stadium.
So, and listen, you know if you ever field, if you ever.
Speaker 3: If you ever feel in randy and you want to go out on
a tuesday?
All right, on tuesdays they got five dollar dogs and if you
hang with me I have a 15 discount.
All right, so that's even.
You're getting better guzzies at a discount price wow, it's
like 425 a dog.
That's crazy, I am honestly wowed that you were able to do
that math in.
Never in a million years would I have a time.
I just get really happy.
Whenever I use the discount, I'm like, oh, look at that.
Speaker 2: I never have a conception of what I actually
don't know if that math is correct.
I'm gonna look that up really quick.
Five times 0.15.
Yeah, I was right.
Wow, oh, 4.25 a dog Plus tax baby Can't beat that, anthony.
Speaker 3: you got to come up here, man, just for the glizzies
on Tuesdays, does it?
It's actually really good, just fly up from my, I'll pick you
up from LaGuardia.
It's right outside the stadium.
All right him, all right, and then we'll go grab some dogs,
and then you know and then maybe watch some people throw a ball
around.
Speaker 2: Anyway, anthony, what have you been up to this past
couple weeks?
Speaker 1: tell me, tell me I'm gonna be honest with you, though
.
Like hot dogs are, like not even my favorite.
Like if they're.
If I'm at a party and there's a choice between hamburgers and
hot dogs, I'm going burger all the time.
That's fair.
I'm a burger guy.
Let me ask you a question, anthony.
Speaker 3: He's not in new york you're walking in new york
you're walking through washington dc, you're walking
through apalachia, you're walking through vegas all that
have been hit by nuclear bombs.
When you're walking around those locales, you know what you
never see.
You never see a hamburger.
But you know how many hot dogs I've seen in fallout 76.
My friend, the structural integrity is fine.
Here's the thing about hamburgers.
That person at that party do you know if they know how to
cook a burger the right way?
What if you get slightly ill from the temperature of the meat
?
Speaker 2: hot dogs, or or the opposite, the opposite.
You can be like having, you know, a cookout with my
father-in-law and you get served some hockey pucks.
Speaker 3: There you go but hot dogs you can't really.
They're already cooked, man, they're already.
You don't even need to really warm them up, man, you can just
eat them.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, but it just I mean and and honestly,
like if, if you're gonna go fallout, dude, there's still
brahmin, I mean you can ground that beef, but that's true, all
right.
So what I've been up to these past couple of weeks is that.
So I had a con that was a sandwich between this hot dog.
No sandwich between.
Like these two weeks, like I got to go to Otaku Fest.
Speaker 2: Nice, tell us.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I had Otaku Fest.
It's con time.
Cons are kicking in the tickets for this convention.
I actually had won them back in February by cosplaying Obi-Wan
Kenobi.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, I've seen that picture.
Speaker 2: Clever, clever.
Speaker 1: Best show on TV?
Speaker 2: Yeah, man always I mean, you know how it is man.
Speaker 1: I always have a good time going to conventions and
stuff man yeah, you're definitely a con man I am a con
man you should come up to nycc man.
Speaker 3: I just procured tickets.
The fam and I are definitely going on friday up here oh, and
they started selling tickets yeah, yeah, I secured the pro
pass or educators pass, and then they got the friday passes well
, nice I mean I have been wanting to go to new york
comic-con.
Speaker 1: It's been a while but yeah, I went up there and I I
went with dakota and gen one year anthony, listen, we're
thinking about going as thunderbolts.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna be bucky.
All right, my wife is going to be elena, my son is going to be.
Who do you want to be?
I'm blanking out right now, but we need a red guardian.
Oh yeah, he wants to be century .
You could be red guardian man.
I've seen you bald, like, I think a little good, and I can
be the leader.
Speaker 1: Let's go all you have to do is just get stung by a
dozen of bees.
Jen could be the that betsy that look like him who's betsy?
Speaker 3: she's got some relation to the hulk.
Betsy ross somehow is related to hulk.
Maybe, uh, jen could be bety Ross.
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Somehow, some way.
Speaker 3: Something about there's some relationship to
Hulk.
I don't know what it is.
Is that his estranged daughter?
Speaker 2: No, that's the nurse that stuck him with Gamma.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, she sucks .
Speaker 3: Well, maybe we should .
Sorry, but I think we've deviated.
Speaker 2: Alright, go ahead, tell us about otaku con or otaku
fest otaku fest man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, just straight.
Speaker 2: Otaku tastic man, you know so, for those of you who
don't know, this is a anime themed convention, correct?
Speaker 1: yeah, I mean, you know you can there.
There's always going to be stuff that's not anime related
there, but it's definitely a little bit more geared towards
that when you think of otaku.
You know obviously that's.
You know they're.
They're using that japanese word that kind of describes
somebody who's like obsessive over, you know, nerdy stuff.
And yeah, man, it was good it.
They had moved it back to the original convention center that
it was at.
I guess it had outgrown it and so they tried to like move it to
another one, but that one was way too big for it and I think
that it costed a lot more money.
So now they moved it back to its original space.
The problem with the last time when it was in that space, I
think they oversold.
It's just crazy that these places like they oversell and
their tickets and stuff, you know yeah, oh question, anthony.
Speaker 3: You said that you were seeing how to train your
dentist over the weekend how to train your dentist these guys,
these guys all right, wait, wait , rich explain it so I'm, you
know we have a group chat going on and anthony goes hey guys, I
think I'm gonna go see ht how to train.
Yeah, httyd, and I'm I'm racking my brain over here.
Guys, I have no idea.
I'm like, and after just like an hour, I think, of pulling my
hair, I was just like can someone please tell me what hd?
So now they go off with uh, how to train your dentist?
Speaker 2: it's just how to train your dog.
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: I got the message loud and clear after that, but I
felt a you know.
I guess I just completely forgot because I think in my
worldview it doesn't feel like that long ago that I saw how to
Train your Dragon.
Speaker 1: You know, like my son we watched it Same for me, so
like.
Speaker 3: I've seen it within the last five or six years, so I
didn't know that there was a need for another one.
Speaker 2: It's a it's, so it's a live action version of the
animated film and it's very, very closely like, linked to the
animated film.
Apparently.
That did you.
Did you watch it, anthony?
I haven't so.
Speaker 1: So that was the plan with my group of friends, but we
ended up not being able to go and see it.
We just got caught up in in our own stuff.
But it was the plan, but by the time that time kind of rolled
around, we're too tired from you know just just living.
Yeah, just tired of living just living yeah but it is, it is a
plan.
I do want to see it.
I mean, maybe I might I could go and see it tomorrow, because
I don't work tomorrow.
Tomorrow is juneteenth and since it's a federal holiday,
you know, the bank follows the federal holiday and so we all
have it off awesome, cool awesome, you got that you have
tomorrow off as well, rich right yeah, actually I got a sweet
four-day weekend because my son's graduation on friday.
So well, you should be finishing school up soon, right?
Next Friday is the last day.
Yeah, there you go, the kids down in South Florida.
They've been done with school for a week or so now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they go back a little earlier, I think.
I think you guys, they go back, yeah, they start earlier, yeah,
they do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I've been up to, but we're a
bit deep into the recording.
Shall we talk about and or season two?
Speaker 3: episodes one through six just call it an episode.
I think this is good.
This was fun.
Uh, we'll see you guys next week.
Thanks for uh being thanks for listening.
Leave.
Speaker 2: Leave a review for four stars, we'll make an and or
season two, one through six mini.
So that is not sorry guys.
Speaker 1: Let's start talking about that, right, donium boys
no, you have to say it the right way, dakota let's start talking
about the right donium boys.
Speaker 2: No, that was a bad.
That was a bad one.
I I'm really good at like redoing his lines, but I can't
just create new lines for him, like if that makes sense.
But yeah, so Andor is back and potentially better than ever.
A lot of people are saying that this is the best season of the
two seasons.
You know, it's not a super, it is a high bar, but it's not like
an incredibly high bar because there's only one other season.
What do you guys think of the start to this season?
Some people are like in the camp where first six episodes
are boring.
Some people are like, you know, getting on their knees and just
like bowing down, like it's, it's the best thing since sliced
bread.
What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: I think it was pretty good.
I would say, like the the first .
To me it starts off a little bit stronger than maybe the
first season of andor, and the first season of andor was really
good anyway.
But you have to get those characters established.
But now that you have those characters that are established,
it was able to go.
You know a little bit, you know start a little bit.
You know start a little bit stronger.
You know we don't have to figure out who Luthan is, we
don't have to figure out who Bix is, because they were explained
in that first season.
I would say the first season crawled so that this season
could run not walk but run and it was solid.
I mean, I liked the first six episodes and there's a lot of
parallels to things that happened in real life that I
definitely picked up on in these episodes.
Speaker 3: Rich.
What are your thoughts?
So I think I would have been in the first camp after my first
watch through, because I think that I appreciated some of the
relationships more.
I mean, I love the series.
I just think that it would the.
It's difficult for me to just say like this first six are slow
, because I think once you watch the whole thing on second
rewatch and of course I did like a third rewatch, but it's all
the interactions are so what's the word pregnant, that there's
so much to them that you don't even know until you finish the
series.
And then you go back and now these moments, the way they're
playing off each other, the moments between the Imperial,
the ISB and kind of that dance that's going on there, even the
dance between Deirdre and Cyril's mother, between Deirdre
and Cyril's mother, I mean everything like once you know
more just becomes.
They did such a great job of setting the groundwork for the
series to have a really impactful end and I mean that
cutaway scene from the wedding, you know, is just.
It's amazing how they made that just be something.
That was so.
Even though I already watched it, I was on the edge of my seat
again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're talking about the cutaway to the
wedding, specifically in episode three.
I'm assuming it's the scene where everyone's dancing.
Yes, correct, yeah.
So that's such a fantastic moment for me and that was like
a big like wow.
I can't believe they pulled that off.
So there's a couple things happening all at once.
You know it's the climax of several plots within this 4 BBY
setting.
So it's like a year, a little over a year, since the first
season took place.
And you know, andor, bix, brassoso and wilmon are on the
on the run.
They're living on this agricultural world being
mechanics and they're basically just hiding away from the empire
while also doing luthens bidding.
Andor is often like a side side job for a bit of this first
three episode arc and it all comes to a head.
You know where the, the empire catches up to them.
They rasso ends up dying and they leave that planet.
All the while, there's a whole bunch of stuff happening with
mon mothma at the exact same time, or we assume it's the
exact same time.
It could.
It could be different time periods, but whatever and what?
What's fantastic about the way that they did that was they used
the music of the dance.
So there's a bunch of stuff happening with Mon Mothma.
She doesn't want her daughter to get married to this thug's
son, basically.
But she's young, she's dumb and she thinks that she's in love
and she know she's gonna go full steam ahead with this marriage
and on top of that, the integrity of, or the secret of,
their rebellion and her you know , funds that go towards it are
about to potentially be dried out in the open, as her friends
is now ready to.
He's not getting that end of the deal anymore and he's
starting to wonder when he's going to get his cut and it's
starting to get agitated.
You could see he's like sweating for most of this, like
wedding arc and luthen basically tells mon that like we got to
kill this guy.
You know, like no amount of money is going to fix this
problem.
This is going to keep coming back to bite us and to drown out
her sorrow in.
You know, like this childhood friend who has to be killed to
pacify this issue, she literally just drinks and starts dancing
and it's such a fantastic scene because you can see there's no
joy on her face.
But, like when you watch the trailers for this, you're like,
wow, mom's really like getting down at this party.
But when you see the context of what's happening, it's so
fantastic.
And that music that they play, like with the, with the droid
the droid, that's like DJing the party is also used diegetically
.
So diegetic music is like in world music that you hear but
also works as the score for the episode.
They use that diegetically at the end with cassian as well.
So like the intense upbeat music while you know they're on
the run, his friend's just been killed, been murdered, and the
look on his face, you know, mixed with mon dancing super
chaotically and drinking heavily .
It's's just such a fantastic buildup to that last episode.
Speaker 1: Right, it's almost like the emotion is kind of
matched there.
You know, I mean sure, you know you have Cassian that is
mourning the loss of his friends , but then you also have Mon
Mothma that's kind of mourning the loss of, you know, her
daughter in daughter.
In a sense, you know that she's being married to somebody that
you know she didn't want her to get married to.
But, dude, you know, that moment was so strong and it left
me like like wow, this is intense, like it's crazy.
I'm actually a little side note and I I don't know and I hadn't
really realized this in the first season, but then when I
looked at the cast, so I don't know if you realize, but the
actress that portrays Mon Mothma actually does the voice for
Moira in Overwatch.
Speaker 2: I did find that out online recently.
Yeah, I thought that was pretty .
Speaker 1: I was crazy and then, like, when I thought about it,
I was like I see the similarities in a way, you know,
like the look, but you know, I thought that that was like a
little neat aside thing.
Speaker 2: But man, it's such a it's actually, like you know,
leaning into that a little bit, it's such a weird contrast
because this is such a fantastic visual actor.
You know, like her presence on screen is crazy and that usually
doesn't always translate to voice actors, so it's cool that
she has that ability to do both.
You know, like there there are actors who do both.
Speaker 1: Mark hamill is a actor who's very famously both
on screen and, you know, just vocal, but it's cool that
there's others in star wars that do that too yeah, yeah, in the
first three episodes you get something that you just don't
see in star wars and you have like an imperial officer, that
is, you know, he proceeds to try to assault bix, you know, yes
and you don't see that in star wars ever, really, you know we
haven't, yeah, and there's been, there's been, like certainly
they've kind of teased the idea of it.
You know it's been skirted but it hasn't been shown in this
capacity and I thought it was crazy because you know I could
very much so see the Imperials you know pretty much abusing
their power for stuff like that and it's insane, like I was,
like man.
You know this show is powerful in more ways than one.
It shows a part of Star Wars that some people you get caught
up in the mysticism of the larger part with the Jedi and
stuff, but you don't get the common man and this is what you
get.
Speaker 2: You don't get the nitty gritty as often as and for
me when it comes to Star Wars it doesn't get any more nitty
gritty than Andor and Rogue One.
Speaker 1: It really this season , you know, at least in this
first part, it really just blew my mind.
Something else that I really got that kind of blew my mind
was Gorman, and Gorman drew like such a heavy parallel to World
War II Europe, like I mean you could place Gorman, it could be
a European country and like think of the way that they dress
and like think about the way that it was intense for them.
You know that they're trying to build up this like rebellion.
You know I can imagine this being europe before the war was
in full swing, you know, before the invasion.
This is what europe in that time period was in the 30s.
You know, and yeah, man it.
It really it blew my mind how they were able to do that,
because with Star Wars a lot of times we get the Western side or
we get the samurai side, but we never get that side.
I mean, you get parts of it but you don't get it as strong as
you do in this show, like the World War II influence that Star
Wars has, you know, and you know it's very much so.
You know that's a huge part of Star Wars, that influence and
you get it a lot in this show man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree .
I think you know to tag along with what you're saying.
It's funny because we've seen so many things that are Star
Wars related.
We've read Star Wars, we've seen comic books and so on and
so forth.
There's a whole bunch of Star Wars out there, but it's amazing
that we're continually getting new vantage points and looks at
the Star Wars galaxy that we probably didn't think that we
needed or wanted, but just expanded not only the lore but
the reality of what's at stake.
And as that comes into the four with gorman, yeah, there's a lot
of parallels you can make with gorman and basically it's not
just like world war ii and all that.
It's pretty much every oppressive government, every
authoritarian regime trying to put another party down, and that
that has been the case like throughout history.
And I think that they nailed that down with how the
propaganda is being spread, how easy it is to, you know, make
the population dislike those people.
Like with Mon Mothma in the Senate building.
She was trying to curry favor with a bunch of different people
whom she probably agreed on with certain bills in the past,
but there was one senator who's even like.
I don't think Gorman is a good thing to be vying for right now
I forget the correct wording, but basically saying like I
don't want anything to do with Gorman right now, that's a bad
look for me.
And you just see everyone turning a blind eye to what's
happening and ultimately we don't know what's happening with
Gorman.
At this point.
We don't really fully get it.
I mean, we as the audience get it, but the people inside the
show, outside of a few, have no idea that they're going to be
mining for Kalkite in the near future.
So they have no idea what's coming for them.
They have no idea why the Imperial Destroying the planet
pretty much, yeah, which is what's going to happen, yeah
yeah they have no idea why the empire have decided to make
gorman their enemy, but it's apparent that that's what's
happening and it is.
It is a really scary thing.
But I want to take like a brief moment to like just talk.
Sorry, rich, you haven't.
You haven't actually chimed in on on these two topics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so, as I was listening to you guys talk
about this, it just kind of made me think about a couple of
things.
So I don't think andor works until now and I, like I was
thinking, like I think part of the reason we're enjoying it is
because it's a star wars property.
But it's not a star wars property, right, it's like star
wars property that exists in this universe that we know very
well, right?
And if, let's say, you just started watching andor and you
hadn't seen anything else for some random reason, or even if
you, you know, you start watching andor and you just go
through rogue one, right, you've got this universe that is, you
know, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
But it doesn't.
I don't think it would jump out at anybody.
It's well done, right.
But I think that why it's being so well received is because we
feel a lot of you know, I'll just like kind of our star wars
nerds over here.
We feel like we've explored so much of the galaxy in one
direction that we want to see it in another.
You know, that's a good way to put it right, because I I don't
like this doesn't come out in 1977 and people are like, oh man
, this is the franchise.
Speaker 2: I'm getting into.
That's an OK yeah, yeah, I like , I like that idea that because,
yeah, I see what you're saying, that like what, what may have
appealed to audiences back then is different than what appeals
to audiences now.
Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily playing to the times
, but it is, in a way I don't want to say encyclopedic,
because you don't really, but I think the type of person who's
going to like andor is very well educated about the star wars
universe right from my experience online, a lot of
people who had never seen star wars are watching andor and
they're considering it.
Speaker 2: They're considering it like some of the best tv
they've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I think.
So.
What I think about Andor is that, yes, I agree that right
now is the time for Andor to exist, but you couldn't have had
Andor be the first thing to come out, because Andor is not a
foundational series in the way that, like the mainline Star
Wars movies are.
That's the foundation.
Everything else is built upon that.
You cannot, you know and or would be telling a story about
something that just doesn't exist.
Now we know exactly what happens, because what's
happening in this show you know.
So this is just something that is being built on the foundation
of the greater storyline you know in star wars, the skywalker
saga, if you will.
But I also do agree that most people have some sort of idea
about star wars.
Even if they haven't watched it , they know it exists.
They've probably heard of luke skywalker.
They've probably heard of lightsabers definitely heard of
stormtroopers.
You know like it's hard to escape, even if you don't watch
it.
I could imagine you watching, and or without watching, the
mainline series and enjoying it, just in the same way that you
can watch the mandalorian without having watched the
mainline series.
You know, and there's especially like mandalorian
season two, there's stuff from other series that you.
It wouldn't mean much to you had you not seen it, but you
know it's definitely something that's really good.
It's something that's different .
I don't know what would you call it.
Is it espionage, the spy series that exists within the star
wars universe?
Like you know, it's not a star wars show, it's something else
that that exists within the star wars universe I see what you're
.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to really pinpoint why it works.
I think that you're both kind of right, in the sense that it
does build on everything that came before, and for it to even
exist requires these other properties to have existed for
ages.
You know, this is a prequel to a prequel, which in and of
itself, is a sequel to the prequels.
Speaker 3: It's a sell for my 10-year-old right.
He has enjoyed everything Star Wars with me.
We have our lightsabers.
He's definitely knowledgeable about Star Wars in the way that
most kids his age aren't.
You know, we played the lego games to their just maximum, so
he knows the most random of characters and I don't think
that I haven't had him watch it yet.
But I don't think he would enjoy and or right like I just
yeah, it's not like it's not the star wars he's looking for.
You know.
Yeah, I love it, I love this show, but when I look I walk
around, work and I have.
I used to have an over-the-shoulder bag but my
chiropractor told me I needed to wear a backpack to balance the
weight.
So I have these Chewbacca like the bandolier right but with
hair, and it's really you can use it in your car, but I use it
as like.
So I have these two chewbacca straps, bandolier straps, with
the fur on my backpack at all times at work.
You know, like I've got star wars stuff in my room.
I teach revenge of the sith, like I'm known as the star wars
guy, and I guess, when I think of like Star Wars in that way,
from the outside, looking in from the person who's not a big
fan, you know it's just what's odd, what makes Andor great, is
that almost it doesn't scream Star Wars in the slightest.
You know there's.
There's no Wookiees, there's no Jar Jar Binks, there's no Ewoks
.
You know there's very and I honestly got to the point where
rewatching it with the Bix store when Bix was assaulted, I felt
uncomfortable in a way that I don't want to feel when I'm
watching Star Wars, which sounds like a child you know.
And then as I'm rewatching the Gorman plot, because I just
think that these episodes are so packed with stuff that if
you're not hyper focused you're going to kind of miss something.
So that's why I also enjoy the rewatches and to know what is
going to unfold and see it now, see the seeds happening.
Let's just look around for a second right and then you look
back to the show and it's a bit startling, like anthony was
saying, it is like so much of you guys were saying earlier,
the authoritarian playbook and how easily it's working.
You know how you said the senators were so quick to oh, I
don't want to get the stink of Gorman on me too, you know,
instead of them all banding together and how, just the
little things you know.
Well, you know the crime on gorman has increased to 36
percent and just all these rumors and the spin doctor stuff
, it honestly scared me.
I was kind of like, oh, it's scary stuff.
Yeah, and it's such a different feeling than I'm used to
watching star wars.
I mean, I know like when han died I lost my mind in the movie
theater.
I couldn't believe it.
But you know, I got over it, I was okay.
You know, I I felt a little shaky after watching these
episodes again because it's so real, right, like, like anthony
said, it could be vania or estonia.
I'm just trying to think of other countries I've never been
to or can't really point to on a map, that are nowhere in europe
, you know right, I mean it's different.
Speaker 1: I was was thinking Poland or something you know.
Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: You know the thing is , is that the reason why I think
that Andor is so important for the Star Wars universe is that
you know?
Yeah, I understand like you know, yeah, there is a you know
a discomfort when you witness these things on screen.
There is a you know a discomfort when you witness
these things on screen.
But you know, we've always been told that the empire is bad,
the empire is bad.
The empire is bad, but we're being shown how bad they are in
this show this is why they're doing what they're doing.
We've only ever been told that they're bad.
You know it's always been black and white.
But why, okay?
What?
Okay?
Why is it what you know?
Show me some color.
Show me why and this is why the show is showing why and that
these people are willing to put their lives on the line to do
what they're doing.
You don't have that whole rebellion that destroys the
death star twice without these moments.
There has to be a build-up.
Speaker 2: It's.
That's such a really that's a great point, because little
things that have led to the original trilogy stack up like
dominoes.
You know, like they, like, you can't have all of this that
happens in rogue one without all of this that happens in andor.
You need the, you need the gorman I'm not going to say the
m word because that's a spoiler for next week.
We need what happens on gorman to happen because that's what
catalyzes the rebel alliance to finally form a united front.
You know, right now they're the rebels are a disparate, leader,
almost leaderless group of random bands of rebels
throughout the galaxy and and we actually see in the the first
couple episodes of, you know, I think, episodes one and two we
have cassian going to yavin four to meet up with a friend and he
comes into contact with 15 rebels that don't seem to have a
leader right, there's huge leadership, huge huge leadership
issues that you know everyone's fighting for leadership and
that's the problem with these rebels at this point, there's no
organization, and that's that needs to change if they're ever
going to defeat the empire and cassie.
Speaker 1: This is like cassian's like wake up, like, oh
wow, maybe these guys need some help and yeah, yeah, that was
crazy, like when when you you get that realization that he was
on yavin that whole time that that was insane.
I was like dude, what you know like we're there's about to be a
battle there soon, uh, but a couple years.
That was insane.
This season brings back a character that we haven't seen
since rogue one in orson krennic and oh yeah, dude, I mean he's
such a good bad guy man.
I really do.
I'm glad that they brought him back, like I am so happy that
they brought him back because I definitely wanted to see that
character again.
He just he kills that character man and I I loved his.
I loved his, like cal kite ramble that he just goes oh yeah
, um cal kites, cal kites.
Alternatives like synthetic yeah like yeah, dude, that was just
so that scene that when luthan and what's his, name again when
they were at that party and she's trying to get rid of that
listening device dude it was so intense what a great and then
they had lonnie there, like it's like, oh, poor lonnie's, just
in the middle of all this mess man, this guy's just trying to
survive at this point I know poor lonnie, I wonder if he'll
make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ben mendelsohn returning to to replay orson
krennic a couple years prior to the events of Rogue One.
Fantastic stuff, him being the catalyst.
I keep saying the word catalyst and I think it's because the
prequel novel to Rogue One is called Catalyst, so that's just
in the back of my head whenever I'm thinking of these characters
.
So anyway, he is the catalyst to why the whole Gorman front is
happening.
He knows that the Empire needs the calcite, the synthetic
calcite, the calcite alternatives.
He needs all that.
But it can only be mined via basically destabilizing Gorman.
And I love that scene where he brings in certain ISB members
and other people within the Empire to just have a little
brunch you know, have some cakes while talking about how they're
going to potentially kill millions.
Speaker 3: It's just a really great scene, really fascinating
um, in that scene that's the one of the I think one of the guys
that's to me was one of the most chilling things when they were.
Somebody asked one of the isb guys essentially like can't we
just tell them that you know there's like a disaster coming
or something and get them off planet?
And his response is something to the effect of we've seen that
not work before and generally it's just better to do away with
the whole thing.
And that means that they've done it on multiple planets,
right oh?
Speaker 1: yeah, you know and that's.
Speaker 3: That's what that was like.
Oh my goodness, you've done this so much that you have
freaking data on it right.
Like you can't do something twice and have data on it right.
You have to do something like five times, I'd minimum, I would
assume.
I don't know what the number is , but then it's just like how
many more planets have they done this to?
Speaker 2: oh, they've done it to a bunch and I I did do a
little bit of research on like other planets that they've done
that too.
So in response to someone online who thought it was like a
dumb thing, like there's a bunch of like haters online for
everything, this one I I don't I want to bring attention to
because it was pretty astronomically stupid.
There was absolutely no reason to militarily occupy Gorman.
It was one of the dumbest things Palpatine could have done
.
The Gormans were perfectly happy with their planet and its
industry.
The Emperor could have simply mined the material needed and
left the Gormans alone.
Why would he bring this kind of negative attention?
For no reason.
Blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like it's perfectly clear the empire needed the
calcite found in gorman's core.
The empire makes it very clear that the mining of said resource
was to destabilize the core and lead to ecological collapse.
But poverty needed it more than he believed.
The empire needed good pr and I explained that it's not the
first time this has happened.
In the book a new dawn, the, the Empire mined Thorolite on Cinda
, causing the core to nearly collapse.
In Rebels we learn that Geonosis was completely
sterilized to cover the construction of their Death Star
project.
In Rogue One we learn that the Empire destroyed Jedha City,
partly to cover their extraction of kyber from beneath the city.
And there's also Ilum, which is where the Padawans used to get
their kyber crystals.
Also ilum, which was where the that's where the padawans used
to get their kyber crystals.
They used that planet, they mined it out and basically a big
fissure erupted on the planet's surface, causing the planet to
start splitting in half and they had to, like, hold it in place.
And that planet, ilum, later became star killer base in the
sequels.
Um, so it's something that the Empire is well known for doing.
So the idea that like and they kind of do explain why one of
the ISB guys basically says Partagas, partagas.
He says they have a strong Senate presence.
You know, like this is a strong planet, they're not going to go
down lightly.
So they need to create this false image of gorman to the
rest of the galaxy to make it okay for them to do what need,
what they believe needs to be done.
And it's it's just crazy, it's just it's so sick and twisted,
but you could totally picture the empire doing that, because
they need what they got, you know, and there ain't no more
Kalkite alternatives elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Nope, something else.
So two characters that we also get back from the first season
is Cyril and Deidre, and in this one they're kind of like you
know, there's some romance there , you know.
So what?
What did you all think about that dynamic it?
Speaker 2: it was definitely kind of awkward yeah, they have
a very healthy relationship.
It seemed.
You know they both respected each other's boundaries very
clearly.
Yeah, no, it was very good.
I'm happy for cyril, very happy for deidre.
They both look and feel very happy in their new roles.
No, it's the weirdest relationship I've seen in star
wars period.
This is weirder than when those frog people, like that frog
lady with all her eggs, like met up with her husband and just
like touched heads at the end of that mandorian episode.
This was bizarre and it's so clear that Daedra is not a
psychopath but a Sociopath.
Sociopath, yes, she's sociopathic.
She has no emotions, she has no feeling.
Everything she does is to get ahead, to move up a ladder, and
Cyril just happens to be present and isn't moving out of her way
and is willing to help her out right.
Speaker 1: So she's, she's cool with it and she's even like
holding a secret, like from him, and he's helping them out.
Speaker 2: Like you know, locate these rebels on gorman I
actually really do feel bad for cyril I do too like, honestly,
he, he's someone who clearly needs a lot of structure in his
life and he's gone about it the entire wrong way.
And he wasn't wrong in that, you know, in the first season he
wasn't wrong for wanting to do his job correctly, to go
apprehend and or and all that.
He just was barking up the wrong tree with the wrong people
.
And then he got involved with the Empire and the Empire feeds
you all these lies about.
You know this and that, and it's so easy, you know, as it's
explained.
You know, just by watching the hollow news, like it's so easy
for you to be brainwashed by all the propaganda.
And Cyril is conscious that there is propaganda being
perpetrated about Gorman in this season.
He knows that what's being presented on the news isn't
what's actually happening on the planet.
You know, and it's such a fascinating concept because he's
undercover for these people, which does make him complicit.
He knows that the Empire is doing something and they're
trying to incite a rebellion on this planet for some reason, but
he doesn't know why or how it's going to play out.
You know, and I feel bad for him because he thinks he's doing
the right thing for the right cause.
He still truly believes that the Empire is what's good in the
galaxy and that the rebels are terrorists.
And with that mindset it's hard not to fault the guy.
Speaker 1: But right, right he is an antagonist.
Speaker 2: You know like it's hard to it's.
It's hard to make that balance, so I I feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 1: He's an antagonist.
He is an antagonist but he's also a bit of a patsy.
You know like he is definitely the type of guy that would be
set up to be a fall guy.
You know that the empire would leave him out to dry and what
we'll find out.
Speaker 2: You know I don't want to get ahead of myself, but
it's so easy in the empire for there to be fall guys.
You think of, like all of these big players, like we saw in
rogue one, that orson krennic, the guy who basically designed
the entirety of the death star.
He ran the project, he was the fall guy for tarkin.
Speaker 1: Tarkin stepped in, yeah, and there is a hierarchy
in the empire but there's no loyalty yeah, there's a lot of
like stepping on backs in the empire, a lot, a lot of stepping
on backs in the empire, a lot of stepping on, backs,
backsteppers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot that this season, even these first six episodes,
you can like read into, and what's amazing is the timeliness
about, like, some of the the stuff in the first couple
episodes.
You know like we have within america right now a big issue of
like being for or against illegal immigration, people
being deported back to their countries or detained whatever.
Say what you will about that.
This show was filmed several years before any of that was
mainstream news.
You know, like we've had deportations for illegal
immigration for years in America , but right now it's coming to a
head because whatever, but within Andor, it's so
fascinating because these are the characters that we love,
these are the characters that we're rooting for and they are
the illegal immigrants on this planet and the empire is
technically the lawful government that has the right to
deport them because they don't have their papers and it's.
It's such a timely contrast to the our real world discussion,
you know, and like the political , political landscape, because
they didn't know that this was going to be an issue when when
the show was coming out, but it kind of just fits perfectly in
the narrative and I think that's part of why this show is so
timeless.
You know you guys were saying that it needed to be released at
this point in history, at least in terms of Star Wars, for it
to like really resonate itself.
Even if it didn't like focus on andor and wasn't a prequel to
rogue one directly and all that it would.
Using these themes, it's kind of timeless, you know, like it's
always going to be relevant to some, some degree and I I think
that that's what's really cool about it yeah, it's definitely a
great show.
Speaker 1: You know, it's sad that we lost your boy, brasso
Brasso.
I love Brasso dude.
Yeah, man, he was definitely that homie.
Speaker 2: He was the homiest of all homies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy that you could rely on.
He watched out.
I miss B.
Speaker 2: Oh man, B2Emo.
I love that droid so much and I feel so bad that they just
leave B2Emo on that planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that droid Like it's my own pet, like it's
my own child.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Seeing them leave so unceremoniously, oh, it kills me
every time.
Speaker 1: And you feel so bad because, like you know, you do
like hear that depression, like he just he wants to be with
cassian, you know, and it's not that cassian doesn't want him
around, he just he knows that he's going to be doing dangerous
things and in a way he's kind of like the last bit of of
memory of his mother, you know, and if you lost marva yeah, if
you lost him, that that would be .
you know, it was definitely a good call on that front.
Something that we didn't really talk about was your boy Right
on him.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait.
What were you going to say, Rich, about B?
Speaker 3: Well, I love B and I was so sad that he had to be
left behind.
I know this is Star Wars and it happens all the time, but man,
just like he had to arrive at that exact second for them to
get off of there.
You know, like talk about fortuitous, I mean, you know
it's, it's a big galaxy, and he, he pulls up just right at say,
you know, without really kind of knowing about it, which is kind
of all that more right, he just hears like blockade or whatever
from clay, and then he immediately goes there, right,
but well it's.
Speaker 2: It's interesting like it's going to be a major plot
thread in the the next couple episodes.
But you know the idea of cassian as a messenger.
You know he wants to send a message to bix on this planet.
He finds out, oh he can't send message, so he's going to go
there directly.
And he is the messenger, you know, for all of these little
adventures.
He's the one relaying all the information to all these parties
.
That eventually culminates in a new hope and it's so.
It's so good the way that they wove that idea into the show and
we're going to talk more about specifically him as a messenger
next week because I think that that is a really fascinating
discussion.
But yeah, going back to B2Emo, I feel so bad for that guy.
Speaker 3: He just B's two emos and that's he's just so sad, and
you know you guys were talking about Saw.
You know this guy.
I mean, can I ask a question?
So do we believe that the mechanic in training was working
with the Empire?
Is that a real, or did he just make that up and then his friend
agreed?
Speaker 2: What's his friend's name?
I think it's Two Tubes or something like that.
I think that's actually like his name in the character
encyclopedia.
I don't think that this guy was .
It came out of nowhere.
And I don't think Saul would have humored this guy making
Rhydonium for as long as he did if he was going to kill him
anyway.
And I don't think that he planned on killing him.
I just think that he saw that there was a need for ridonium
and that wilmon couldn't leave, because clearly wilmon didn't
think like there was some apprehension when wilmon said he
thinks he's ready for, you know , this production yeah,
essentially he's like, he's good enough, you know like there,
but with, with, with ridonium, there's, there's there's no
margin of error.
There's no margin of error, yeah you're gonna blow up the whole
party.
So yeah, it's really I.
Speaker 1: I don't personally think that he was a empire spy
right, like maybe he just needed a reason to kind of kill him in
that moment.
But yeah, no, I I agree.
I think that, like he realized, okay, this guy's not, he's
obviously can't, he can't do the job, and it's like we kind of
put ourselves in a hard spot because we can't let this guy
leave, because he knows too much and he's the best bet for this
job.
So I guess he's going to be coming anyway.
I find that process of extracting Rhydonium so
fascinating Like that.
Just it's a eight step process, dude, and it looks so cool,
like you know, just like kind of like you know the rotating of
like the machine, and to me it just it looked awesome, like it
looked so complicated and it was a really cool like scene to
have.
And man, your boy I know your boy is just cracked out for
ridonium.
Speaker 2: No wonder why he's insane, saw so in uh rogue one,
we all thought that he was like huffing off oxygen, you know
like.
We thought that he was just like ill and he needed the, you
know the inhaler.
Turns out he's just been huffing rhodonium good boy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a drug to this man.
He's just how does.
Oh, it's a drug cracked out on him, man how is he now?
Speaker 3: how is he so like I?
How does he weather it, I mean, and then like, will I, don't
under.
Did he just like get peer pressured, like it sounds like?
It's the worst thing in the world you would ever do to
yourself and like it's not like hey take a hit of this joint
Right.
It's like I don't know.
Hey, here's some ether.
I don't.
It seems insane, right.
Speaker 2: It's a very extreme high.
Yeah, give's some ether, it seems insane.
Right, it's a very extreme high .
Give me some spice.
He just tells.
Speaker 1: Wilmon like just accept it.
Wilmon just looks like he's in excruciating pain.
Dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
And Wilmon's so surprised.
After he starts releasing the Rhydonium, saw just kind of goes
up to him like oh, how I've missed you.
And Wilma's like what on earth, how are you doing this?
Because Saw just went on this tangent about how your skin
starts to itch and you start feeling your skin crawl like
it's alive.
And as a kid he like hooked on this stuff.
You're asking how he weathered it.
I think it's just tolerance.
You know, like you give you, give a kid a taste of bourbon,
they're gonna hate it, they're gonna spit it out.
It tastes gross to them.
There's no way that they're gonna enjoy that because it just
tastes like spicy and bitter and all of that.
But as an adult you grow tolerances to certain things.
Now bourbon tastes fantastic to me.
It feels really good going down , burning.
The burning sensation is part of the fun of it and I think
that is what we're experiencing with the Rido.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you know it's like at this point, are you
going to use this for sarsaparilla?
Speaker 2: fuel fuel, or are you gonna like just huff it all?
Yeah, I don't got an answer for you.
Speaker 1: I, everybody else will use it for starship fuel,
but saul's just gonna use it for his own weird reasons yeah, no,
it's, it's bad.
Speaker 2: I want to look this up actually, right don't?
I know?
I've heard that like so many times before, like in random
things I mean, like this guy could just be using regular
spice.
Speaker 1: You know whatever would happen a good old spice
it's probably not strong enough, man, not that it doesn't have
that rhododium strength, you know, because like rhododium
because when you say rhododium strong like, I mean it sounds
strong, but when you think of spice, I'm thinking of like
maybe pepper right, some, you know pepper salt, you know
oregano, whatever but you know you think of rhodonium.
That honestly, doesn't even rhodonium sounds like, it sounds
like an ore, it doesn't even sound like a liquid.
You know yeah, but but yeah, no , it's crazy.
I'm not too sure.
Is there anything else that you , that you guys want to talk
about?
Speaker 2: I really liked luthen and kleia in this arc.
I feel like we've talked a little bit about them and I
appreciate that their dynamic is growing.
We didn't really know what their dynamic was in the first
season and we still don't know at this point in the show, like,
what their dynamic is.
Are they related?
Are they friends?
Are they just partners for a long time?
Could be in any number of things, but I think it's really
cool that they have such a professional relationship, even
on their downtime.
You know, like there is technically, there is no
downtime for them.
They're on 24 7, because that's what it takes to run a rebellion
and they're running it from the center of civilization.
They're in the hornet's nest while they're doing what they're
doing and it's it's so cool the way the show uses them as
accesses.
They're literally an axis.
It's such a like fascinating word because you think of an
axis, it's what the rest of, it's what turns in the center of
things.
It's what turns in the center is the one who's running all the
shots and they're partially right, he's one cog of the
greater rebellion, but he is like a mastermind of what's
going on in the galaxy rebel-wise, and you think of
another term that's used in machinery that's been applied to
characters like fulcrum.
Fulcrum was given to characters like Ahsoka, later it will be
given to Cassian, and it makes sense that there's multiple
fulcrums but there's only one true axis, so a fulcrum is a
pivot point on the spinning mechanism of the axis and these
characters Ahs, ahsoka, cassian and others are fulcrums,
basically like they're pivots in this moving cog and it's.
It's so cool the way that this is all being explored
subtextually but also like in real time on the show and I
think that it's just brilliant writing.
It's so cool.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Oh yeah, and we also lose Senta , which she was kind of not
around too much, Right, she was kind of here and there, but she
ends up getting killed during that heist.
Speaker 2: That heist on Gorman.
Speaker 1: Yes on.
Gorman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt bad.
Val clearly was in love with this person and the moment she
gets since a back since is like literally killed by mistake by
some kid who, you know, thought he could do his own thing on the
like as part of the rebellion, and that's why leadership is so
necessary.
You know and talking about gorman really quickly the
culture of this world was so fantastically realized.
I am amazed every time it's on screen because it feels legit,
it feels like a real world and it what?
What helps it is that all the actors are French.
They're not speaking French, but they're speaking an alien
language based off of French linguistics, which is why it
sounds like French, but you can't actually pick up any of
the words.
It's so well done.
It's the cultural world building of Gorman, making it
centered around these spiders who create weaves and silk that
the galaxy needs, and then bringing in Cassian to kind of
play onto that, because you know , this whole world's ecosystem
runs on these spiders, basically , and he's playing a designer so
that he can blend into this world's ecosystem and it's dude.
The writing on this show is next level and it just blows me
away.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and also something that I kind of wanted
to just kind of cap this conversation on is PTSD.
And Bix has that big time with what happened to her in season
one With Dr Gorse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and actually these episodes cap that
like plot line off really, really neatly.
We learn a couple episode, or like an episode prior to this,
that dr gorse the guy who invented the torture device or
the torture method that we saw used on bix in the first season.
They want to embiggen this project, they want to get more
people involved, they want to make a whole team involved in
this interrogation process.
So they give Dr Gorse this brand new wing within the
Imperial Complex on Coruscant and I just love that Bix, who is
so distraught about this, gets the opportunity to get her
comeuppance with this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Cassian just straight blows him
up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
What did you think of the PTSD Rich?
What did you feel about this plotline with Vix?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the first time I understand that to
properly short you need to do it over a little bit more time.
But I I was just I was unsure where it was really going.
But then the visit from luthan, I think when I saw it the
second time around, made it way more interesting.
And doors questioning of.
Well, if luthan did that and he didn't tell me that and he came
home he knew you would tell me.
So he had to know that he's always doing something for like,
and you could just really see andor's paranoia.
But I don't want to call it paranoia because he's right.
Speaker 2: I mean he's yeah no, he's pardon, he is being
paranoid, but he's also right.
You know, you don't just get visits from luthan.
Speaker 3: There's a reason so I thought that again, like it's
just, I appreciate it way more the second time.
I think I wanted to just kind of get to some big resolutions a
little earlier than I, than I should have the first watch
through, right.
So when I now know where everything was, watching it
again, it really is paced well.
I think the way they did it was excellent and without spoiling
too much for next week, right Like this PTSD arc is really
important.
Speaker 2: Totally yeah.
So one last thing I do want to mention, because I do think that
, you know, nothing is truly perfect, and if I could give it
a criticism, I would say that the jumps in years for every
three episodes is a little jarring and there's a lot that
goes unsaid between episodes that you just kind of have to
pick up the pieces on and try to figure out.
And this will come into like I think, like, think, like
technically, next week, the jump from 3 BBY to 2 BBY is probably
like the hardest jump for me in terms of like wow, I really
wish there was more to this story.
I wish they told all of those things that they're talking
about.
Speaker 1: You know they will eventually.
Oh yeah, I'm excited about the books.
Speaker 2: They teed it up so nicely for publishing.
Oh yeah, I'm excited about the books.
They teed it up so nicely for publishing and their publishing
is literally just finishing up the High Republic.
It's five years, I think, at this point, and they're going to
need new territory and I think they're going right into Andor
hopefully soon, because this is such a ripe area, for I just
don't know that they can write it as well.
I'm genuinely like will they give us good stories in Andor?
Speaker 1: Or will they give us good stories in Andor, or will
they not?
I think it can be done.
Speaker 2: you know it can be done, but it's tough.
Speaker 1: You know when you're going from.
You know a big huff of Rhydonium to, you know Spice.
Speaker 2: Oof, yeah, Speaking of which do next week, boys.
Speaker 1: Yes, next week we shall be doing the last half of
Andor and you know that'll be capping off the series because
the series rolls right into Rogue One.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do kind of wish we, like you said earlier,
I wish we hadn't done Rogue One and A New Hope so soon, because
it would have been nice to go into it.
Hopefully, like in some future episodes, we can go back and
like revisit certain things I would like to do, like a Rogue
One and A New Hope rewatch after Andor.
I know, rich, you already did it, but I have I have yet to do
it yet, so I really can't wait to like see how the story
unfolds in a new manner and a new light after watching andor.
So it could be something we we, you know do at some point.
But, guys, thank you for listening to us here for our
124th episode of project geekology.
We hope you enjoyed our ramblings on the star wars
galaxy as a whole.
Please be sure to check out next episode where we cover the
final six episodes of Andor as they lead up to the events of
Rogue One.
We're excited to finally get to what I believe is probably the
best couple hours of Star Wars ever produced.
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And, yeah, boys, stay juicy, like that Rhydonium that you
know, like that Rhydonium that Saw Gerrera is huffing and
puffing.
You need some of that juice in your life, and to do so, I think
what you'd really need to do is Anthony, you want to explain it
to them?
What do we?
Speaker 1: need.
You know we need that strong Rydonian.
You know five star review.
You know we want it to be so strong that it even knocks.
You know, saw Guerrera back a few pegs and you know, just keep
them coming for more yeah, yeah , speaking about pegs, we never
like figure out how he lost his leg.
Speaker 2: Anyway, guys, yeah, this is.
This is episode 124.
We shall see you or you'll hear from us, anyway, next week bye
guys.
Speaker 1: Long live the gentle lads.
Love it peace.