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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to
episode 125 of Project Geekology

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We have a very special show
today.

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We're talking Andor season 2,
specifically the last six

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episodes.

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So we are completing our Andor
discussion this week.

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I'm one-third of your host,
dakota.

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I'm joined, as always, with
Rhydonium.

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Speaker 2: Every day more lies.

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This is Anthony.

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You know, yes, we are covering
andor super excited and you know

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, joining us, as always is rich.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, guys
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I'm very excited to really jump
into this.

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I think the maybe the best half
season of the show I've ever

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seen.

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Speaker 1: I think it might be
the best half season of a show

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period.

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I think I mentioned it on the,
the podcast before, but the last

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five episodes of andor, you
know, from episode 8 to episode

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12, are the only live action
episode, the only consecutive

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live action episodes in a TV
show to rate over 9.5 on IMDb,

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which is just a staggering score
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Because everybody knows Star
Wars Online is very polarized so

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it's very unlikely that that
could ever happen.

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But this show really is that
good.

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So if you haven't seen it and
you're allowing yourself to be

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spoiled, just step away for a
little bit.

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Speaker 2: Watch andor yes, very
good.

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Yes, actually, before we we hop
into the stuff that we've been

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into, go definitely go check the
show notes and we will place

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the time stamp for when the
discussion actually starts.

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So go head on over there right
now if you want to skip what

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we've been up to.

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You know it won't.

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It won't hurt our feelings, we
won't know, but uh yes, it'll

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hurt, it'll hurt.

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Speaker 3: Speak for yourself,
man, like honestly I have about

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17 minutes of baseball talk that
I'm about to get into guys yeah

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, strap in, baby, we're, we're,
we're.

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Speaker 2: Mid-discussion of
moving Rich over to a baseball

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podcast.

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Speaker 3: Rich and the Rumble
Ponies, a podcast only about the

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Binghamton Mets, the AA-level
team.

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So if you guys want to check
that out, just search that up.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Well, I mean since we're on you
, you rich, won't you tell us

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what you have been up to?

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Speaker 3: oh, so in the time
that we have talked uh, charlie,

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actually my son graduated from
k to five, fifth grade.

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I'm sure you're all excited,
but what you really care about

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is that I'm excited I decided
that it was time for his half

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birthday gift, because we had
already got him a graduation

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gift, and I went ahead and got
him a switch too nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember you
uh mentioning that, the last

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episode yeah, so I finally got
to pick it up.

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Speaker 3: On june 20th I picked
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I gotta hand me up.

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So I got the.

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I got the switch one now which?

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Is great because you know this
kid, like he had lent it to me

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last summer, early on, and I was
trying to I didn't want to say

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I was in a hundred percent
breath of the wild, but I wanted

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to explore it, I wanted to get
deep into it, I wanted to just

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really play it like I would say
red dead redemption and he's

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like, oh, you got enough hearts.

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You could be ganon.

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And he like directed me to
because he had already beat it

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and he was playing um, he wanted
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so he kind of rushed me through
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So I'm really happy now because
I've been playing it, he's, now

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you can actually breathe breath
of the wild I finally got.

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I never had the online account
like I had it under.

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Oddly, I was umbrellaed under
his account and then I finally

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kind of got a family account.

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So now I have my own proper
thing and he's got his switch

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too.

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He's got the expansion pack, so
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of the wild and for tears of the
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So he's been playing that again
and actually he's playing wind

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waker now, but the load times
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I mean, it's crazy, it's I
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If you have the money, and even
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not super star-studded, that I
don't think you have to run out

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and get it.

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I will say that the way that
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detach the Joy-Cons are so much,
so so much better, Like it's

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like a button, kind of magnet
thing, that kind of snaps on and

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off instead of doing the
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and the actual the joy cons like
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always like yeah, they'd slide
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it'd be really frustrating and I
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So I got that, you know, and I
paired it my, you know my son

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had gotten me the N64 controller
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I was playing some Mario Kart
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So honestly, although I was
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early, seeing the just how much
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like they really.

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The screen size is markedly
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I know I would watch my students
play like, I guess, mario kart

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or whatever, when they had it
propped up and they both had joy

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cons and it always seemed so
silly because it's such a silly,

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tiny screen compared to what we
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And this seems less silly if
you're sitting there with the

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pal just in the middle of
nowhere, whatever you set up, it

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doesn't seem as absurd.

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The screen size is nicer, the
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nice in your hands and Charlie's
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I have a Switch One now, which
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Despite all the upgrades that
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I'm going to buy Mario Odyssey,
so by the next time that we

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cover, I'll probably have some
thoughts on a game that's 12

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years old.

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Speaker 2: Which I actually
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for the Switch 2.

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Oh yeah, I think that that
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I know that Pokemon, scarlet
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big upgrades.

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Now, like more Pokemon spawn,
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You know like there's a lot of
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switch that you know.

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hindered the potential that a
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of how underpowered it is.

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And you know I mean compared to
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You know it's still
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that still.

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You know that game is amazing.

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But I remember, you know
telling myself like dude, this

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game is not meant for the first
switch, it's just not.

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It could be looking so much
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was a little bit stronger to to
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And now you know I've I've seen
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the switch too excellent,
excellent, anthony.

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Speaker 1: What else?

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What have you been up to,
honestly?

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Speaker 2: not not all that much
, man, uh, I I've got, I've got

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a couple, or I have a convention
that's coming up in a couple

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weeks super con and I got press
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So there'll definitely be
either like a mini sode or a

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discussion on that.

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And, yeah, man, I, I'm, I'm
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And I feel like, honestly and I
know you feel this I feel like

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there's something else that I
have to say, but I just don't

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remember and at some point I'll
either remember during the

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podcast, like I did remember
that one time I was like oh yeah

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, I went to go, I saw the
Minecraft movie and.

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I forgot to mention it in the
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, it's
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happen.

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So I mean, I know, I know
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marvel tv shows right now.

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Speaker 2: Have you been
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You know, like we talked about
the, we had that whole

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discussion on on captain america
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kind of disillusioned with the
MCU.

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I think that we just need a
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I think that they need to go
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really like try to figure out
where their direction is.

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But you know, on the other hand
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you know we got Star Wars We've
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for for what?

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The last 10 years now.

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I mean sure we had clone wars
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like the period between 2005 and
2015, but it wasn't as

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consistent as what we're getting
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10 years from.

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You know, the force awakens up
until now and you know, even

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though that, yes, star wars has
definitely had a lot of stinkers

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, I am still hanging around for
a lot of their stuff and you

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know we're about to talk about
one, I mean arguably like the

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greatest star wars show that's
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So I'm definitely excited,
excited to dive into that.

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What about you, dakota?

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What have you been up to?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm
excited to talk about Andor as

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well.

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I do think it is the current
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that can be met within the Star
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It doesn't need to always be
that mature, doesn't always need

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to be that level of production
quality, but it can be and

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that's something that we didn't
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that's something that I think a
lot of people are going to

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expect, hopefully, moving on,
and hopefully the studio also

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expects quality of that standard
, because that will help push

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better content out.

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Speaking about, hopefully
better content.

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Speaking about, hopefully,
better content there's a rumor

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going around that Obi-Wan season
two has been greenlit.

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I don't know if Rich has seen
that news yet.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it
was a troll or not, because I

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just briefly saw it and I saw
some responses to it.

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Speaker 1: I do think I trust
the person who reported it.

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It's Daniel RPK.

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He's been in the Scoop game for
a while now and, yeah, I trust

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a lot of his reporting.

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Even if it doesn't come to
fruition, I do believe that

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there are talks being had for a
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that
even goes as far back as the

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original, like when that series
first dropped, because, remember

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, it was originally slated as a
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dropped that limited part to it.

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Yeah, yeah, it was almost like
maybe, yeah yeah, so potentially

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I mean maybe, maybe they'll the
you know they had something

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going with with obi-wan maybe if
they tackle some of the issues

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that they had in the first
season, it could have a really

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good second season yeah, no,
they definitely it can't.

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Speaker 1: It can be good, you
know, it can be done.

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Obi-wan's a great character
he's.

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He's got a lot of hidden
stories that we have no idea

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about.

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I just hope, hope it's really
good.

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Anywho, I don't have too much
going on right now.

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The reason we were off last
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but not so busy that he
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frantically studying for a test
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weekend and that's over.

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So I'm feeling a lot better.

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I don't have to study like cram
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Don't know if I passed yet, but
I'm pretty sure I did.

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So that was good and it's for
my job, basically.

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And next week I'm going to be
away.

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It's not going to be a normal
podcast Like we.

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You know, instead of the topics
that we normally cover, I'm

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going gonna be in disney world,
so I'm gonna be having a lot of

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fun elsewhere in the world, and
by elsewhere I mean florida.

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But but yeah, I think that's
all that I got going on right

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now.

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Anyone else want to bring?

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Oh, rich you, you did watch
iron heart.

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You want to touch on that
briefly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's
actually the best piece of

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Marvel TV in quite a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I, you know it's got,
unfortunately.

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I watched three episodes.

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I watched four episodes.

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I watched the first three on
the drop and then I watched the

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fourth one.

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My family had been behind me,
so I watched the fourth one with

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them when it came out at 9
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then my son had to go to bed, so
I went to sleep and I

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accidentally scrolled through
twitter and spoiled one of the

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major kind of points, I think,
in the last three episodes.

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But I ended up still really
liking it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it a point
with sasha baron con?

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Yes, I have no idea what it is.

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Speaker 3: Well, so thing, you
know, but I think that I think

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it has some pretty big
implications.

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I wonder how they're going to
treat it.

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I'm curious to see, if I don't
know, if it's going to be really

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required viewing, but I think
it's way better than, let's say,

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echo, like echo was fine and I
got some lore on a character

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that I didn't really care to
find lore about how do you feel

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it compares to daredevil,
because I know that you like

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daredevil porn definitely
different shows.

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I mean daredevil's like law and
order, svu, you know, superhero

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edition, and this is definitely
different.

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I kind of liken it in a way,
but I think it's better than

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miss marvel.

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I.

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I also have a special place in
my heart for riri as well as

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miss marvel, because they are
two characters that had comic

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lines come out and I started
reading them from like the very

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beginning and right.

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So you're you, so you fully
know these characters.

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Yeah, they're not like the one
they swapped out and they had

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what's his name?

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Amadeus Cho as Hulk and they
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I like that.

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These are separate characters,
essentially.

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Speaker 1: And new characters,
yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: I really like Riri
Williams, so I thought this was

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a really fun exploration.

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And it's again another Marvel
show that does deal with grief

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from the grieving process,
because you know what is grief

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but love persevering.

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So what is marvel but love of
comics persevering through bad

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movies sometimes and shows to
reward you with something that's

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actually kind of fun.

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So anyone out there who hasn't
seen it and is on the fence

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about it, I would actually say
that it's a really fun way to

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spend six hours cool.

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Speaker 1: All right, you guys
ready to talk about uh some

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kalkite and uh radonium?

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Yes, sir and a little bit of
rogue one, because I think yes

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rewatched Rogue One after that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes,
definitely man.

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Yeah, I was gonna.

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I wanted to save that part for
the actual discussion, but yeah,

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definitely.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's
start with the first three

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episodes.

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We're now a year past the
second arc.

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You know the weird arc where
everyone was high for some

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reason.

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And now we are.

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Yeah, now we actually have to
deal with some major issues in

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the galaxy.

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The Empire is playing its hand.

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No more time is being allotted
to finding Kalkide alternatives.

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They're going all in.

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They need what's under the
surface of Gorman.

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What is your favorite episode,
guys, of these last six episodes

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?

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Where do you sit?

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What are your favorites?

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The episodes start with you,
anthony.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, go ahead
rich as they're taking when

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andor has to meet up with and
take care.

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Okay, like that.

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I remember we we were, I forgot
we were covering, but I had

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spoken about watching it in the
moment and how, like that was

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one of the most.

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I never thought that, like you
know, the senate would get me

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excited, but here we were.

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You know, I was, I was on the
edge and what's absolutely

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insane is I obviously knew that
she was going to make it right,

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but I still was like oh man,
what's gonna happen?

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What's gonna happen?

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And like that's a testament to
tony gilroy, right?

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Speaker 1: yeah, I mean so tony
gilroy was brought in late in

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the game when it comes to Rogue
One.

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It had a number of drafts
written and the film had mostly

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been shot by the time Tony
Gilroy showed up and just

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cleaned up the plot a little bit
, and some people argue that he

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should have gotten a partial
directing credit because so much

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had changed with Rogue One.

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So much had changed with Rogue
One, so it was really awesome

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seeing him take on the role of
head writer for a show like this

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, for characters that we didn't
think needed a show.

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Several like almost ten years
after the Well, maybe not ten

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years, but a good number of
years after the fact that Rogue

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One was complete.

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Speaker 2: It was such a strange
thing to get Andor and, yeah,

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now we're actually like
receiving some of the best tv

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that we've seen ever right,
right and and you know I've said

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this like multiple times you
know this discussion and even

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outside of this discussion that
you know Andor was definitely a

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series that nobody asked for or
you know, maybe a small group of

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people, I'll give them that
there were a lot of like.

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You know there were some major,
you know cassie and andor fans

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after rogue one but you know,
after you know you kind of

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talking about tony gilroy really
, you know, taking the helm of

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the show you like, and we
already loved what we had gotten

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with rogue one.

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Imagine if he was there from
the beginning, man, it would

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have been probably crazy dude
like that, that movie.

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But as far as like episodes,
that the mon mothma one was

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really good.

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I really did like her monologue
and and you know we finally got

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these two characters that we've.

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You know they've been kind of
like on different ends of the

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universe and they're kind of
like together.

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Now it's that introduction.

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You finally got Cassian meeting
Mon Mothma.

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Definitely episode eight was
huge.

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Episode eight, just like that
one, was like really, really

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tense.

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Speaker 1: And it was.

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It's such an insane thing to
have tense.

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Oh yeah, it's such an insane
thing to have filmed Right right

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and they did it well.

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Speaker 2: They did it so
believably you can't take your

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eyes away from the screen as you
see everything unfolding and

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it's so crazy.

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With all the meta knowledge
that you have, you know

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something's about to go down.

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You know that this is a trap,
but these people don't know it's

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a trap.

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And then, obviously, the
episode that I really liked a

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lot was the last episode.

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It rolled in so cleanly into
Rogue One, like I mean, it

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rolled right into the movie.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't expect
it to Right Not that I didn't

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expect these the, the show, to
like work with the movie.

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I didn't expect that they were
going to lead the finale of and

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or directly into rogue one, and
I'm glad that they did, because

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there's so many little things
within the series that we learn

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about Cassian, we learn about
his backstory, and we would have

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previously just taken all of
that for granted.

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The first thing that I think
you'll notice when you rewatch

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Rogue One you'll find a bunch of
little things in there like oh

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yeah, how did he know about that
?

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Speaker 2: Or oh yeah yeah he
did mention stuff like that yeah

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, like yeah, I thought the exact
same thing, dude.

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Speaker 1: It filled in so many
holes when he goes to tivic on

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the rings of kathleen and he
goes galen or so, you know, like

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he already knows the name galen
or so before tivic brings it to

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his attention and it's just
like, oh yeah, how would he have

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known who this random guy on
Eadu was?

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You know, like he's been like a
way Galen Erso is a nobody

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essentially in the galaxy, like
he hasn't ever been anything,

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and it's kind of the whole plot
of Rogue One is that not even

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his own daughter knows where
this guy is.

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So like, how would this random
rebel know anything about Galen,

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or so?

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And it's just like, wow, okay,
because he found out from Luthen

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.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, and it's
crazy because you know Tivic

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being like that, he's that rebel
that he shoots in the beginning

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of that movie and you know they
talk about him at the end of

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Andor and you're like, oh man, I
know where that I know what's

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about to happen to that guy.

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Speaker 1: do you feel that the
character of andor is consistent

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, like fully consistent,
throughout andor and rogue one,

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or do you feel that some of the
things that he does might feel a

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little bit more shallow in
Rogue One just because he

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doesn't have that backstory?

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Speaker 2: I feel like Rogue, or
I feel like Andor, really

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cements why he does what he does
in Rogue One.

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Because of everything he's gone
through man, he's gone through

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so much since the beginning of
Season 1.

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And a lot of dude, it's all been
for the sake of the rebellion.

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You know, he got sold on it by
luthan and by the end of it

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luthan, the guy that brought him
into the fold, is dead man and

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so like he kind of carries that,
that a little bit of a chip on

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his shoulder because he's like
you know, I've been doing this

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for so long.

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He sold out for it, man, he
sold out for the rebellion.

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That's why it was so easy for
him to like just kind of stage,

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like his own little, like you
know, take his own little group

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to go to scarif it dude, that
was such an andor thing to do,

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like just to go and do his own
thing.

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That's on track with what he
does and they they were pretty

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much consistent with that's what
he does.

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Like he's part of the rebellion
but he's gonna do his own thing

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a time or two.

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He will be a team player but
when he needs to do something

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he'll do it, whether he gets the
permission or not yeah, rich

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did you?

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Speaker 1: did you notice
anything from rogue one that was

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heightened because of your
viewing of andor?

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I'm sure there's a couple
things that like popped up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean his
motivations obviously are

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clearer and easier to kind of
understand because you know you

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do have him like quickly killing
so flippantly and he seems very

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much like luthan esque in this
idea that you know I do what I

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have to do and it doesn't matter
.

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But now we know why he does
what he has to do and why you

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know it's not even.

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It makes it more noble, almost
that he's doing this for

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somebody who left him right,
essentially like he's creating

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that sunrise for somebody who
chose who will say it even

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though he.

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Yeah, you know, and that's
because I think too often we get

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that hero who sacrifices his
love, right, and that's kind of

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very tropey and I, I like it.

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I like it way better this way.

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I think the only thing that
maybe we don't get is the.

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He definitely feels more like
Han in that he's.

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You know, hokey religions and
ancient weapons are no match for

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a blaster your side kid like.

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He feels that way way more in
Rogue One and, you know, at the

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end of Andor, and that's
obviously just because of the

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way they filmed it in the order,
right.

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But he kind of seems to be a
little bit more accepting of his

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00:23:49,356 --> 00:23:54,625
role in the larger scheme of
the force, right, and I don't

464
00:23:54,746 --> 00:23:57,972
feel like that's something that
that continued, but that's, it's

465
00:23:57,972 --> 00:24:00,462
such a hyper nitpick that I
can't, you know, I can't even

466
00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:02,425
fault them for it, you know, I
like it.

467
00:24:02,625 --> 00:24:03,007
Speaker 1: I like that.

468
00:24:03,007 --> 00:24:07,432
I guess you could take you
could take that thread and kind

469
00:24:07,472 --> 00:24:12,824
of expand on it, because when
you know, throughout the two

470
00:24:12,844 --> 00:24:21,830
season Fourth of July Well, it's
not actually fourth of July,

471
00:24:21,932 --> 00:24:22,920
but I have a lot of fireworks
outside.

472
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,788
Speaker 3: I honestly thought
you had a it's 4th of July, but

473
00:24:24,726 --> 00:24:24,913
I have a lot of fireworks
outside.

474
00:24:24,913 --> 00:24:27,001
I honestly thought you had a
it's the 2nd of July I thought

475
00:24:27,021 --> 00:24:30,733
we were going to hear
fee-fi-fo-fum and you had a

476
00:24:30,835 --> 00:24:34,999
giant sitting outside of your
house knocking at the door.

477
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:43,045
Speaker 1: I didn't know what
was happening, bro oh my gosh, I

478
00:24:43,045 --> 00:24:46,988
don't even know what side of my
house that came from awesome

479
00:24:47,509 --> 00:24:51,105
all right, sorry guys no um what
was I even saying?

480
00:24:51,686 --> 00:24:53,371
I feel like I hope that doesn't
keep happening.

481
00:24:53,371 --> 00:24:56,345
You can make that point that
throughout the first two seasons

482
00:24:56,345 --> 00:25:00,580
he learns that he is this guy
who has to get the job done, or

483
00:25:00,621 --> 00:25:03,825
has to get from point a to point
b, or he has to, like, deliver

484
00:25:03,924 --> 00:25:08,651
a message, or he has to deliver
a person, and sometimes he does

485
00:25:08,711 --> 00:25:12,256
that despite his better judgment
and despite other people's

486
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,714
permission and it's consistent
with rogue one, because it's

487
00:25:16,755 --> 00:25:18,299
exactly what he does in rogue
one.

488
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:19,662
Speaker 2: That's exactly what
he does.

489
00:25:19,662 --> 00:25:21,085
Yeah, he's a messenger he
realizes.

490
00:25:21,705 --> 00:25:26,494
Speaker 1: He realizes that the
message that Jyn Erso has to say

491
00:25:26,494 --> 00:25:32,103
or is telling the Rebellion is
the truth, it's something worth

492
00:25:32,144 --> 00:25:32,685
fighting for.

493
00:25:32,685 --> 00:25:38,403
And not only that, but the
bigger message, which is what

494
00:25:38,505 --> 00:25:41,645
Galen Erso wrote into the code
for the construction of the

495
00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:42,047
Death Star.

496
00:25:42,047 --> 00:25:44,941
That's a message that needs to
get to the Rebellion so that

497
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:46,964
they can end this thing for good
.

498
00:25:46,964 --> 00:25:51,362
It's, it's too big of a thing
to succeed, basically like the

499
00:25:51,382 --> 00:25:54,710
death star needed to be dealt
with immediately, or else it

500
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:59,585
would have become like just this
huge tyrannical government

501
00:25:59,605 --> 00:26:03,951
across the galaxy, even worse
than it already was so yeah I do

502
00:26:03,951 --> 00:26:05,673
like motivation wise.

503
00:26:05,713 --> 00:26:09,909
I do think that you know you can
spin it in a way where it's

504
00:26:09,989 --> 00:26:13,240
like well, these things kind of
make sense in retrospect.

505
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,590
But if you are looking at the
character's decisions in rogue

506
00:26:18,770 --> 00:26:21,323
one as opposed to what he does
in andor, I feel like it's

507
00:26:21,383 --> 00:26:24,150
mostly mostly pretty consistent
and I'm really pleased by that.

508
00:26:24,369 --> 00:26:25,472
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

509
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,690
Speaker 1: Let's jump back to
the first three episodes.

510
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:32,884
So we have what happens on
Gormin, we have Mon Mothma's

511
00:26:32,903 --> 00:26:34,670
speech and there's another
episode.

512
00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:37,068
I forget what happens in the
seventh episode.

513
00:26:37,068 --> 00:26:40,119
It's a shame because that
episode was good, I remember,

514
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:44,443
but it's just so overshadowed by
what happens and over season

515
00:26:44,505 --> 00:26:44,605
two.

516
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,125
Speaker 3: I have, but like it's
just so overshadowed by what

517
00:26:48,144 --> 00:26:50,491
happens and over season two, I
have a hard time separating the

518
00:26:50,531 --> 00:26:50,731
episodes.

519
00:26:50,751 --> 00:26:52,917
Speaker 2: They become so mushy
because, oh well, well, wow, oh

520
00:26:52,938 --> 00:26:53,519
okay oh, I'm sorry.

521
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,584
Speaker 1: it's the messenger
episode.

522
00:26:54,584 --> 00:26:58,979
It's where cassian learns that
you know, the force is real,

523
00:26:59,019 --> 00:27:04,729
basically, and it's also like an
episode that kind of highlights

524
00:27:04,729 --> 00:27:09,364
that Bix may be Force-sensitive
, because she says that she's

525
00:27:09,423 --> 00:27:10,548
felt it a couple times.

526
00:27:10,548 --> 00:27:16,909
She's felt this inkling about
Cassian being something more

527
00:27:16,949 --> 00:27:22,284
important than what he assumes
that he is and apparently she's

528
00:27:22,324 --> 00:27:23,268
had dreams about this.

529
00:27:23,268 --> 00:27:27,405
She's really contemplating like
what the what the deal is with

530
00:27:27,425 --> 00:27:27,867
this guy?

531
00:27:28,450 --> 00:27:31,700
right she she finally brings him
to a force healer because he's

532
00:27:31,881 --> 00:27:34,847
he has some injury on his arm
that we don't even know where it

533
00:27:34,847 --> 00:27:38,382
came from a blaster shot that
isn't healing, or something.

534
00:27:38,382 --> 00:27:44,049
So they, they take him to this
force healer and, yeah, it's.

535
00:27:44,049 --> 00:27:48,175
It becomes this like really
weird scene you guys want to

536
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:48,480
like.

537
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,923
What did you think of that
scene?

538
00:27:50,484 --> 00:27:54,211
Speaker 3: I mean, it's very
much like it reminded me of

539
00:27:54,271 --> 00:27:57,326
times where, like I'm guessing,
like harry, almost like harry

540
00:27:57,365 --> 00:27:59,751
potter, would meet someone and
it was just this.

541
00:27:59,751 --> 00:28:03,446
Oh, there's something about you
, you know, like this very

542
00:28:03,487 --> 00:28:04,548
chosen one.

543
00:28:04,548 --> 00:28:08,723
It kind of jarred me a little
bit at first, because we haven't

544
00:28:08,723 --> 00:28:13,573
had any of that stuff right in
in this story as yeah, I think

545
00:28:13,613 --> 00:28:15,845
that was the first time the
force was brought up in both

546
00:28:15,865 --> 00:28:16,727
seasons, right, yeah?

547
00:28:17,208 --> 00:28:20,463
so it was definitely out of
character almost for the show

548
00:28:21,205 --> 00:28:24,554
and I I wonder if they had left
it out, if it would have been

549
00:28:24,594 --> 00:28:24,894
okay.

550
00:28:24,894 --> 00:28:30,226
I mean, it does explain away
his penchant for being in the

551
00:28:30,267 --> 00:28:31,869
right place at the right time,
right.

552
00:28:31,869 --> 00:28:35,384
And I'm not sure if they're
just doing it as a way to kind

553
00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:38,832
of get out of that, if they're
trying to ground it in some

554
00:28:38,872 --> 00:28:39,232
weird way.

555
00:28:39,232 --> 00:28:42,329
They're grounding it and making
it more realistic by saying

556
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:45,621
that it's because of a mystical
force that's actually a funny

557
00:28:45,661 --> 00:28:46,122
way to put it.

558
00:28:46,282 --> 00:28:49,893
Speaker 1: It's instead of, you
know, trying to rationalize it

559
00:28:50,375 --> 00:28:53,763
with real world concepts,
they're using the physical

560
00:28:53,804 --> 00:28:56,932
boundaries of the star wars
universe, which is makeup of the

561
00:28:56,932 --> 00:29:01,727
force, to explain away how he
has survived all these events

562
00:29:01,787 --> 00:29:07,035
and like why he is so pivotal to
all of this, and I really like

563
00:29:07,095 --> 00:29:07,800
that concept.

564
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,112
I like the idea that he learns
along with us that he is kind of

565
00:29:13,112 --> 00:29:15,362
a chosen one, and there's a
couple chosen ones in this

566
00:29:15,402 --> 00:29:19,130
galaxy, apparently, and they
each kind of have their own path

567
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:21,320
, and that's that's kind of.

568
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,846
The cool thing about the force
is that it doesn't seem like

569
00:29:24,145 --> 00:29:28,513
it's only focused on the
Skywalker family at this point.

570
00:29:28,513 --> 00:29:30,848
You know like this is more than
just the Skywalker family.

571
00:29:30,848 --> 00:29:35,230
This is the Force trying to
bring balance to the galaxy.

572
00:29:35,912 --> 00:29:36,272
Speaker 2: Right.

573
00:29:36,272 --> 00:29:39,970
Well, it's kind of going back
to something that you had said

574
00:29:40,009 --> 00:29:40,510
before.

575
00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:44,667
It's that moment that really
does establish Andor as a

576
00:29:44,748 --> 00:29:46,972
fulcrum in the star wars
universe.

577
00:29:46,972 --> 00:29:50,329
You know, rather than like,
rather than it being like a

578
00:29:50,391 --> 00:29:53,840
catalyst or him being a catalyst
, he definitely is somebody

579
00:29:53,861 --> 00:29:57,026
that's essential for that to
happen.

580
00:29:57,026 --> 00:30:02,500
You know, and yeah, I, I, I
didn't that that didn't bother

581
00:30:02,540 --> 00:30:03,082
me so much.

582
00:30:03,082 --> 00:30:08,381
I thought it was actually cool
to see somebody that was a force

583
00:30:08,381 --> 00:30:12,369
user, that I mean, maybe at one
point she was a Jedi, but you

584
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:17,109
know, obviously she's tapped
into the force, like I always

585
00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:19,739
thought about, there are
definitely force users that are

586
00:30:19,878 --> 00:30:21,623
neither Sith or Jedi.

587
00:30:21,623 --> 00:30:26,092
They just somehow were able to
find a way to tap into it and

588
00:30:26,272 --> 00:30:30,306
use it, and so I kind of viewed
her as that kind of person.

589
00:30:30,707 --> 00:30:33,921
Speaker 1: The way I like to
view the force and like all

590
00:30:33,941 --> 00:30:34,483
these different.

591
00:30:34,483 --> 00:30:36,939
You know cause there's there's
different force religions and

592
00:30:36,979 --> 00:30:41,685
force cults out there and you
know you got the night sisters,

593
00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:46,771
who have youightsisters, who
exhibit the Force in a more

594
00:30:47,212 --> 00:30:51,605
magical way than the Jedi do,
and the Sith are more

595
00:30:51,645 --> 00:30:52,348
brutalistic.

596
00:30:52,348 --> 00:30:55,680
There's different ways of
tapping into this Force, but

597
00:30:55,820 --> 00:31:00,613
ultimately it's the same source
of power throughout the galaxy.

598
00:31:00,613 --> 00:31:04,386
No matter what you call it,
it's the same source of power

599
00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:09,984
and it's basically like one big
magic system that anyone in the

600
00:31:10,005 --> 00:31:15,615
galaxy can interact with to some
degree and with this force

601
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:15,960
healer.

602
00:31:16,942 --> 00:31:18,804
I don't think that she was a
jedi.

603
00:31:18,804 --> 00:31:22,488
I didn't get that vibe,
especially because what it

604
00:31:22,788 --> 00:31:28,776
seemed to me was happening was
that the I don't know how to

605
00:31:28,819 --> 00:31:33,089
describe it seemed like she was
amateurish, you know, like it

606
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:36,683
was just like an amateur thing
that she was practicing and

607
00:31:36,744 --> 00:31:37,926
sometimes it she said it.

608
00:31:37,926 --> 00:31:39,530
Sometimes it works, sometimes
it doesn't.

609
00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:43,045
With cassie and it actually did
work, and probably it worked

610
00:31:43,125 --> 00:31:45,651
well, because he was very
surprised by how quickly he was

611
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:49,577
able to regain motion in his arm
after the fact.

612
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,380
Speaker 2: Yeah.

613
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,287
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't
catch that or I didn't think

614
00:31:53,326 --> 00:31:55,893
that she was necessarily a Jedi
previously.

615
00:31:56,601 --> 00:31:58,963
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much
exactly like.

616
00:31:58,963 --> 00:32:03,309
What I was thinking was that
she was somebody that somewhere

617
00:32:03,329 --> 00:32:07,535
along the lines of her life
found a way to tap into the

618
00:32:07,595 --> 00:32:07,875
force.

619
00:32:07,875 --> 00:32:12,087
And you know that could have
been in many number of ways that

620
00:32:12,087 --> 00:32:13,913
you kind of you know named.

621
00:32:13,913 --> 00:32:17,675
You know there I mean, yeah,
sure, there's, you know, force

622
00:32:17,715 --> 00:32:18,599
cults and all that stuff.

623
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:23,451
But who knows, maybe there was
just a group of people that got

624
00:32:23,491 --> 00:32:26,626
together, they figured out that
they have this different

625
00:32:26,666 --> 00:32:28,652
connection and learned how to
use it together.

626
00:32:28,652 --> 00:32:31,698
You know that, outside of being
a cult, you know, yeah,

627
00:32:31,718 --> 00:32:42,832
definitely it was.

628
00:32:43,051 --> 00:32:45,795
It was interesting to see the
andor because I mean, you know,

629
00:32:45,855 --> 00:32:49,664
at the end of the day, andor is
still within the star wars

630
00:32:49,746 --> 00:32:54,173
universe and I don't think it
detracted from the show.

631
00:32:54,173 --> 00:32:57,567
You know we did get that
important moment out of.

632
00:32:57,567 --> 00:33:01,761
You know him, yeah, him being a
messenger, that confirmation

633
00:33:02,262 --> 00:33:05,269
pretty much, and yeah, that that
it really does.

634
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:09,925
It makes you look back onto the
show and it makes you look at

635
00:33:10,006 --> 00:33:13,673
rogue one and you realize like,
yeah, this guy really is a

636
00:33:13,779 --> 00:33:19,048
messenger so let's jump forward
to episode eight, which is the

637
00:33:19,108 --> 00:33:21,393
the big gorman massacre episode.

638
00:33:22,074 --> 00:33:24,886
Speaker 1: It's been teased
throughout the season.

639
00:33:24,886 --> 00:33:28,622
In the first first week we had
Krennic, you know expressing

640
00:33:28,662 --> 00:33:32,411
that like we really need this
Gorman Kalkite, which is a

641
00:33:32,832 --> 00:33:36,546
mineral that's found deep
beneath the crust of this planet

642
00:33:36,546 --> 00:33:36,546
.

643
00:33:36,546 --> 00:33:41,101
But to get to that it will mean
destabilizing the planet and

644
00:33:41,121 --> 00:33:44,184
killing the entire ecosystem,
including everyone lives there.

645
00:33:44,184 --> 00:33:48,150
But you know, several years
pass, they, they try to

646
00:33:48,191 --> 00:33:52,823
determine if it's viable to, you
know, not destabilize the

647
00:33:52,843 --> 00:33:55,712
planet and, you know, find
another alternative, which I

648
00:33:55,772 --> 00:33:57,337
guess was nice ish.

649
00:33:57,337 --> 00:34:02,569
But eventually they needed what
they needed and there was, you

650
00:34:02,609 --> 00:34:04,875
know, nothing stopping them
really right.

651
00:34:04,954 --> 00:34:06,940
Speaker 2: How hard did they try
that?

652
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:09,065
That's the question they?

653
00:34:09,125 --> 00:34:10,248
Speaker 1: they definitely.

654
00:34:10,248 --> 00:34:10,969
Yeah, we don't know.

655
00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:12,681
We actually don't know how hard
they tried.

656
00:34:12,681 --> 00:34:16,929
They did say that they had
their people on edu, which is

657
00:34:16,969 --> 00:34:20,945
like galen urso and all them
trying to find alternatives for

658
00:34:21,485 --> 00:34:25,833
the panels for the weapon, but
ultimately they needed Kalkai,

659
00:34:25,934 --> 00:34:30,349
for whatever reason, and it only
seems to have existed on the

660
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:31,211
planet Gormon.

661
00:34:31,211 --> 00:34:36,766
And yeah, so after that point
we had Cyril Karn go and

662
00:34:36,927 --> 00:34:41,054
infiltrate the Gormon people,
you know, try to start inciting

663
00:34:41,436 --> 00:34:44,989
a rebellion so that they could
bring Axis out of hiding.

664
00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:49,208
And I love that arc too,
because you know we have Andor

665
00:34:49,248 --> 00:34:54,364
coming as a fashion designer and
little does Cyril know.

666
00:34:54,364 --> 00:34:58,233
He's like walking by Cassian
for like a couple days.

667
00:34:59,902 --> 00:35:00,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real.

668
00:35:01,179 --> 00:35:04,047
Speaker 1: And then, by the time
of the Gormin Massacre, Cyril

669
00:35:04,146 --> 00:35:06,612
is seemingly a changed person.

670
00:35:06,612 --> 00:35:10,809
Before this was all about, you
know, like he's doing his job to

671
00:35:10,809 --> 00:35:11,831
the utmost.

672
00:35:11,831 --> 00:35:14,168
You know like he's definitely
going to bring these rebels down

673
00:35:14,168 --> 00:35:14,168
.

674
00:35:14,168 --> 00:35:16,467
Empire's the greatest blah,
blah, blah.

675
00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:20,617
These people are, you know,
overblowing this scenario and

676
00:35:20,878 --> 00:35:21,139
whatever.

677
00:35:21,139 --> 00:35:25,534
But as soon as you know he sees
what's really happening, that

678
00:35:26,155 --> 00:35:30,646
they're inciting violence within
, you know the, the gorman

679
00:35:30,666 --> 00:35:32,572
people, they're laying out a
trap for them.

680
00:35:32,572 --> 00:35:36,746
They have ships coming to
descend to mine, the planet

681
00:35:37,168 --> 00:35:39,233
right right cyril's a different
person.

682
00:35:39,393 --> 00:35:40,902
What do you guys think about
cyril's?

683
00:35:40,902 --> 00:35:42,324
You know, change of heart.

684
00:35:42,324 --> 00:35:44,309
Is it deserved?

685
00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:47,074
Is he worthy of forgiveness at
all?

686
00:35:47,074 --> 00:35:48,541
I have no mercy.

687
00:35:48,641 --> 00:35:53,028
Speaker 3: I don't, yeah, I
don't think that his blindly

688
00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:57,195
being in comp that's incompetent
.

689
00:35:57,195 --> 00:36:02,148
He willingly blocked out what
he wanted to block out and until

690
00:36:02,148 --> 00:36:05,014
it was it was, it was blind
loyalty until it was, until it

691
00:36:05,074 --> 00:36:06,925
was unavoidable.

692
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:08,809
That's when he confronted it.

693
00:36:08,809 --> 00:36:12,762
Too little, too late, man like
you're infiltrating this group.

694
00:36:12,762 --> 00:36:17,532
He knew what he was doing right
and and he just convinced

695
00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:19,400
himself that they were the bad
guys.

696
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,789
It's difficult to talk about
that episode at that arc without

697
00:36:24,789 --> 00:36:29,304
getting too analogous to what's
going on in certain parts of

698
00:36:29,465 --> 00:36:32,755
our world, but it was a little
scary, I won't lie.

699
00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:37,264
It hit home a little bit harder
to kind of see this unfurl, and

700
00:36:37,264 --> 00:36:42,731
for me cyril is like too many
people out there that are just

701
00:36:42,891 --> 00:36:47,400
willingly being ignorant and
then will be indignant when it

702
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,085
happens like oh, no, what?

703
00:36:50,606 --> 00:36:55,322
no, no, this is not what I
wanted, you know, it's just he's

704
00:36:55,322 --> 00:36:58,989
so believable I just, he's such
a believable character, but I

705
00:36:59,090 --> 00:37:03,485
will say I strongly dislike him
and ethically I cannot forgive

706
00:37:03,565 --> 00:37:03,766
him.

707
00:37:03,766 --> 00:37:08,121
I also didn't forgive jamie
lannister, so okay, fair enough.

708
00:37:08,442 --> 00:37:10,829
Speaker 1: I, I like the, I like
the qualifier there.

709
00:37:10,829 --> 00:37:13,297
Anthony, how do you feel about
cyril?

710
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,985
Speaker 2: I don't think it's
that easy I don't think it's as

711
00:37:16,065 --> 00:37:19,581
easy as saying black and white
with cyril I really do not think

712
00:37:19,581 --> 00:37:24,590
that it's that easy to be like
yes, the thing is a lot of.

713
00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:29,742
His character is believable,
because blind loyalty is

714
00:37:30,682 --> 00:37:34,349
something that is, you know,
very, you know it's very real

715
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:38,483
and it's a human trait yeah,
exactly, it is a human trait.

716
00:37:38,603 --> 00:37:42,275
The thing that was different
about cyril is that there were a

717
00:37:42,275 --> 00:37:44,204
lot of people who knew what was
happening and they actively

718
00:37:44,224 --> 00:37:44,688
turned their eye to it.

719
00:37:44,688 --> 00:37:45,954
But the thing is is that there
were a lot of people who knew

720
00:37:45,974 --> 00:37:47,701
what was happening and they
actively turned their eye to it.

721
00:37:47,701 --> 00:37:53,731
But the thing is is that cyril
was sold something and he

722
00:37:53,771 --> 00:37:54,393
believed it.

723
00:37:54,393 --> 00:37:58,945
And when he, when his eyes
finally opened that they sold

724
00:37:58,985 --> 00:38:03,701
him bs, he realized wow, you
know, essentially like, what did

725
00:38:03,701 --> 00:38:04,081
I do?

726
00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:06,802
And that's why he was out there
in that crowd.

727
00:38:06,802 --> 00:38:09,775
He could have easily just
hidden that room, you know, with

728
00:38:09,775 --> 00:38:12,804
with the other people, but no,
he was out there really

729
00:38:12,903 --> 00:38:18,534
witnessing the lie that he was
being sold and I felt bad for

730
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:23,045
him because you know he was
being strung along by also you,

731
00:38:23,146 --> 00:38:30,096
dedra, and I understand your,
you know definitely issues and

732
00:38:30,501 --> 00:38:36,090
any anger towards dedra, but
cyril was definitely somebody

733
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:37,273
who thought he was doing his job
.

734
00:38:37,273 --> 00:38:39,543
That has always been who cyril
has been.

735
00:38:39,543 --> 00:38:43,072
You know, ever, ever since,
from the, from the beginning of

736
00:38:43,092 --> 00:38:43,722
the series.

737
00:38:43,722 --> 00:38:45,548
That is always how he's been.

738
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:49,967
Of course, he is the portrayal
of an antagonistic character,

739
00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:55,255
but I like that he exists
because he is not a black or a

740
00:38:55,315 --> 00:38:55,976
white character.

741
00:38:55,976 --> 00:38:59,110
He is somebody that exists
within the gray.

742
00:38:59,110 --> 00:39:03,510
I don't completely dislike him
for that reason, but he does do

743
00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:04,672
things that piss me off.

744
00:39:04,672 --> 00:39:06,742
Completely dislike him for that
reason, but he does do things

745
00:39:06,762 --> 00:39:07,083
that piss me off.

746
00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:09,507
You know, like, like all all
the all caution went to the wind

747
00:39:09,507 --> 00:39:13,460
as soon as he saw cassie and
I'm like, oh, dude, like the,

748
00:39:13,541 --> 00:39:16,449
the sympathy that I felt for you
in that moment, is just gone

749
00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:20,342
now, my jaw definitely dropped
dropped, you know, when he took

750
00:39:20,443 --> 00:39:25,092
a blaster bolt to the temple so
I want to hop on and you know I

751
00:39:25,251 --> 00:39:26,273
I see what you're saying.

752
00:39:26,641 --> 00:39:30,429
Speaker 1: Rich in the sense
that this is a person who had

753
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:34,860
every opportunity to see the
truth, but I don't know that

754
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:39,250
that's necessarily true based on
his position within the

755
00:39:39,309 --> 00:39:41,034
hierarchy of the empire he.

756
00:39:41,481 --> 00:39:44,806
Speaker 3: We only saw him being
gaslighted a couple of times.

757
00:39:44,806 --> 00:39:49,842
All right, but imagine, okay,
he's getting home from work

758
00:39:50,864 --> 00:39:52,847
every single day, right.

759
00:39:52,847 --> 00:39:57,679
He's with dedra, right, like
they're recapping their days and

760
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:01,025
they're talking things over,
like we saw a couple of

761
00:40:01,125 --> 00:40:04,530
instances of him being blindly
loyal.

762
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:11,501
But he was sitting like doing
all these things and openly

763
00:40:12,382 --> 00:40:17,927
listening to Deirdre gaslight
him with no attempt for thought

764
00:40:17,987 --> 00:40:18,547
of his own.

765
00:40:18,547 --> 00:40:19,027
I don't.

766
00:40:19,027 --> 00:40:26,653
As a teacher, it's really hard
for me to sit there and be okay

767
00:40:27,114 --> 00:40:31,818
with a person who is, I believe
to be, negligent.

768
00:40:31,818 --> 00:40:35,269
We have a responsibility to
understand the world around us

769
00:40:36,521 --> 00:40:41,730
and he was negligent in his
personal relationship and in his

770
00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:48,581
political kind of loyalties
relationship and in his

771
00:40:48,621 --> 00:40:49,864
political kind of loyalties,
like he openly wanted that life

772
00:40:49,884 --> 00:40:52,469
right Because his mom had made
his life so terrible that he was

773
00:40:52,469 --> 00:40:55,983
just so desperate to have this
relationship and have good

774
00:40:56,043 --> 00:41:00,914
standing that he I think he was
willfully ignorant.

775
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,784
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with
both of your sentiments and I'm

776
00:41:03,804 --> 00:41:05,728
going to give the middle ground
opinion here.

777
00:41:05,728 --> 00:41:09,981
What I will say about Cyril is
that every job that he's had up

778
00:41:10,021 --> 00:41:12,907
to this point has been behind a
computer.

779
00:41:12,907 --> 00:41:17,722
This is his first real field
assignment that he is seemingly

780
00:41:17,782 --> 00:41:20,329
doing a really good job at and
he's getting accolades and he's

781
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:23,304
you know, he's receiving praise
from the top.

782
00:41:23,304 --> 00:41:26,152
Even Partagas is like well done
, cyril.

783
00:41:26,152 --> 00:41:33,012
I think that does chemically do
something to the endorphin

784
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,606
center in your brain that
rewires you a little bit.

785
00:41:35,606 --> 00:41:41,052
And you're right that he should
have realized at this point

786
00:41:41,842 --> 00:41:44,150
that they're making stuff up.

787
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:48,063
These rebels aren't actually,
you know, as bad as they're made

788
00:41:48,063 --> 00:41:51,996
out to be, which I think that
he realizes by the time, because

789
00:41:51,996 --> 00:41:55,666
a year passes between the last
time that we saw him first begin

790
00:41:55,666 --> 00:41:59,960
his spycraft on gorman and by
the time that we see his

791
00:42:00,041 --> 00:42:02,927
character in this gorman episode
.

792
00:42:03,427 --> 00:42:04,230
He's changed.

793
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:10,903
He clearly likes the rebels, he
clearly feels closer to them

794
00:42:11,043 --> 00:42:15,476
than he does, dedra, and I think
that there is even hinted love

795
00:42:15,596 --> 00:42:18,943
between him and the daughter of
that rebel leader.

796
00:42:18,943 --> 00:42:22,108
I forget, I forget their names,
but you know like there's that

797
00:42:22,148 --> 00:42:26,914
scene where, like, she slaps him
and it almost felt intimate,

798
00:42:27,114 --> 00:42:30,530
you know, like no, no, no, like
he even grabs her arm and stuff,

799
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:34,583
and it's like I think that he
had changed sometime between

800
00:42:34,643 --> 00:42:38,215
then and there but he hadn't
fully believed that the empire

801
00:42:38,255 --> 00:42:41,646
would be capable of actual
genocide.

802
00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:44,916
And I think that because he's
been behind the desk and he's

803
00:42:44,956 --> 00:42:50,427
believed in order for so long
that this was like something

804
00:42:50,489 --> 00:42:52,932
inconceivable for him to come up
with.

805
00:42:52,932 --> 00:42:57,413
So I don't think I I kind of
sit in between you guys, like I.

806
00:42:57,413 --> 00:43:00,822
I do think that, yes, he should
have figured this out long

807
00:43:00,862 --> 00:43:04,130
before now, but I don't think
he's an irredeemable character

808
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:07,945
and I think that you know, just
obviously it's kind of like

809
00:43:08,708 --> 00:43:10,231
padme saying there's still good
in him.

810
00:43:10,833 --> 00:43:12,923
There there was there was still
good in him.

811
00:43:13,686 --> 00:43:15,615
Speaker 2: There was still good
in him even though he was the

812
00:43:15,655 --> 00:43:19,728
worst person in the galaxy for
like 19 years well, I'm I don't

813
00:43:19,748 --> 00:43:24,018
know man like I really do, you
know, I I understand the

814
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,771
sentiment that he should have
realized something.

815
00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:29,994
Maybe he should have paid a
little bit more attention to the

816
00:43:29,994 --> 00:43:33,867
writing on the walls, but I'm
definitely not sold on him, like

817
00:43:33,867 --> 00:43:34,148
you know.

818
00:43:34,148 --> 00:43:39,063
Yeah, he was, you know he was
in this relationship with dedra,

819
00:43:39,063 --> 00:43:42,355
but she definitely was not
sharing anything with him at all

820
00:43:42,355 --> 00:43:42,355
.

821
00:43:42,896 --> 00:43:45,286
Speaker 1: She was not sharing
that type of she was not sharing

822
00:43:45,286 --> 00:43:47,184
that level of stuff to him I.

823
00:43:47,184 --> 00:43:49,110
I agree with that, because yeah
he.

824
00:43:49,110 --> 00:43:52,641
He had no idea what the heck
they were doing yeah, exactly

825
00:43:52,742 --> 00:43:53,463
like you know.

826
00:43:53,623 --> 00:43:54,606
Speaker 2: Like he he was.

827
00:43:54,606 --> 00:43:58,380
He was in the dark and then
when he realized that there were

828
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:03,268
ships coming down to mine
minerals like he, he went as far

829
00:44:03,268 --> 00:44:07,280
as to like choke dedra out to
figure out what it was that they

830
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,255
were doing so like the fact
that he went that far and was

831
00:44:12,295 --> 00:44:14,320
like yeah, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm
done with this.

832
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,389
This woman and he and he like
put physical hands to like

833
00:44:17,409 --> 00:44:20,565
figure out what it was that they
were doing, because he knew

834
00:44:20,605 --> 00:44:22,068
that something terrible was
happening.

835
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:25,083
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, come on,
like you know that that's I

836
00:44:25,103 --> 00:44:29,123
forgot about part and that just
makes him I actually had blocked

837
00:44:29,123 --> 00:44:29,543
that out.

838
00:44:29,543 --> 00:44:34,505
I'm sorry For me, that's
inexcusable.

839
00:44:34,847 --> 00:44:35,389
Speaker 1: Okay, sure.

840
00:44:36,864 --> 00:44:37,326
Speaker 3: I forgot.

841
00:44:37,326 --> 00:44:38,829
That's another reason why I
dislike him.

842
00:44:38,829 --> 00:44:41,045
Like that's you, don't?

843
00:44:41,045 --> 00:44:42,108
I mean?

844
00:44:42,108 --> 00:44:44,858
I'm sorry, that's to me, I
can't forgive.

845
00:44:45,985 --> 00:44:48,460
Speaker 2: No, no, I get it, I,
I get where you're coming for

846
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:48,601
that.

847
00:44:48,601 --> 00:44:49,242
That's a fair.

848
00:44:49,242 --> 00:44:49,983
That's like I forgot.

849
00:44:49,983 --> 00:44:51,907
Yeah, yeah, no, no, exactly.

850
00:44:51,907 --> 00:44:52,548
He goes out.

851
00:44:53,251 --> 00:44:54,721
Speaker 3: It's just and I get
it.

852
00:44:54,721 --> 00:44:56,585
Look, I also dislike ben solo.

853
00:44:56,585 --> 00:44:58,369
I don't buy ben solo's turn.

854
00:44:58,369 --> 00:44:59,552
I'm sorry you killed han.

855
00:44:59,552 --> 00:45:01,864
There are just some things that
are unforgivable for me and I

856
00:45:01,985 --> 00:45:03,608
and I just thought that one.

857
00:45:03,608 --> 00:45:08,465
See, here's my thing if you're
on the fence about cyril, once

858
00:45:08,626 --> 00:45:10,110
he chokes dead, you're out.

859
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:14,786
I just feel like that's you
know, and like that was real.

860
00:45:14,786 --> 00:45:18,793
What was haunting about that
was the fear in her eyes, right,

861
00:45:18,793 --> 00:45:24,007
like it obviously just you know
, excellent job by the actor.

862
00:45:24,007 --> 00:45:29,583
But it just really conveyed
like what's crazy is she's in

863
00:45:29,664 --> 00:45:33,896
charge of this crazy operation
and he made her helpless in that

864
00:45:33,896 --> 00:45:34,317
moment.

865
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,969
Right because yeah, because he's
because he felt small.

866
00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:43,461
He needed to make himself feel
bigger and in control, and the

867
00:45:43,501 --> 00:45:46,409
way he went about it is uh
that's.

868
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: That's an interesting
I.

869
00:45:47,601 --> 00:45:49,806
Speaker 2: I hadn't considered
that point of view there, so

870
00:45:49,987 --> 00:45:54,262
well, my, my question is and you
know, I, I get, I get where

871
00:45:54,282 --> 00:45:58,070
you're coming from, you know,
definitely in that moment, but

872
00:45:58,552 --> 00:46:01,264
would it have been bad had he
killed her in that moment

873
00:46:01,284 --> 00:46:04,291
because your boy, and or was
about to sniper?

874
00:46:04,291 --> 00:46:09,945
So, like she was, she was on
death row, or or she she was

875
00:46:10,007 --> 00:46:12,907
pretty much it was close to
dying in that moment anyway,

876
00:46:13,188 --> 00:46:14,963
because the and or was about the
sniper.

877
00:46:14,963 --> 00:46:18,452
You know, we, we understand, uh
, we, we understand the that's

878
00:46:18,512 --> 00:46:18,572
an.

879
00:46:18,739 --> 00:46:20,688
Speaker 1: That's an interesting
moral quandary, actually.

880
00:46:20,688 --> 00:46:27,260
Yeah, I mean actually.

881
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:27,822
Yeah, I mean, dude, like is it?

882
00:46:27,822 --> 00:46:29,226
Is it okay because the hero did
it and it would have been bad

883
00:46:29,246 --> 00:46:30,750
because the the he saved her
life by choking her out?

884
00:46:31,211 --> 00:46:32,856
Speaker 2: it's crazy, he did
pull her in.

885
00:46:32,856 --> 00:46:34,824
You know in that moment that
that was weird.

886
00:46:34,824 --> 00:46:37,271
But I mean, you know he, he
definitely had that anger, but

887
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,949
she, she would have, you know
she would have been dead she,

888
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:43,271
she would have been dead.

889
00:46:43,271 --> 00:46:46,047
But I'm not saying that, like
you know, he did it to save her.

890
00:46:46,047 --> 00:46:48,898
I'm just saying it right like
you know what's the difference

891
00:46:48,918 --> 00:46:51,485
between a villain killing her
and a hero killing her.

892
00:46:51,485 --> 00:46:51,905
You know?

893
00:46:52,547 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 3: well, I mean if
you're talking about end result

894
00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:59,826
there, but I mean in terms of
the character, morality, in

895
00:46:59,865 --> 00:47:01,128
terms of the characters.

896
00:47:01,128 --> 00:47:10,219
He choked out his fiancee
essentially a quasi wife because

897
00:47:10,219 --> 00:47:13,565
he realized that he let himself
get deluded into living a lie

898
00:47:13,606 --> 00:47:18,161
with her and felt small, whereas
andor was trying to kill

899
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:24,530
someone who was willfully
helping the empire to commit

900
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:25,070
genocide.

901
00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:28,394
So I mean like there's a big
difference there.

902
00:47:28,615 --> 00:47:32,688
Speaker 2: I think if she dies
by andor's hands, it's, I think

903
00:47:32,807 --> 00:47:36,121
it's a good thing uh, let me
close that gap a little bit,

904
00:47:36,961 --> 00:47:41,427
maybe because cyril realized the
writing on the wall, you know,

905
00:47:41,788 --> 00:47:46,112
and he wanted to find out what
it was that was going on.

906
00:47:46,112 --> 00:47:51,045
Like you know, I get your gripe
, but at the end of the day, you

907
00:47:51,045 --> 00:47:55,773
know, in a morality sense it's
bad right in a day-to-day sense

908
00:47:55,893 --> 00:47:58,768
it is bad, of course, yeah I'll
always say that it's bad.

909
00:47:59,289 --> 00:48:02,478
But the thing is is that,
Because you said and you said

910
00:48:02,518 --> 00:48:08,987
yourself that Andor was going to
kill somebody that was actively

911
00:48:08,987 --> 00:48:12,778
helping the Empire, Cyril was
confronting somebody who was

912
00:48:12,918 --> 00:48:17,407
actively helping the Empire
incite violence for their own

913
00:48:17,447 --> 00:48:21,539
gain, and he hit that
realization, he obviously like

914
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,219
that's quick fury right there
Because, yeah, he might have

915
00:48:24,259 --> 00:48:27,561
felt small in that moment, but
the thing is is that he was sold

916
00:48:27,561 --> 00:48:31,119
on a lie, and when he when he
realized that he was sold out on

917
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,344
a lie and that a lot of
innocent people were about to

918
00:48:33,384 --> 00:48:35,728
get killed, I would be pissed
off too.

919
00:48:36,576 --> 00:48:39,255
Speaker 1: So in that moment he
actually breaks with the Empire.

920
00:48:39,255 --> 00:48:43,461
That's the moment where he
stops wanting what the Empire

921
00:48:43,523 --> 00:48:47,429
wants, because she tells him
that we're going home heroes,

922
00:48:48,516 --> 00:48:53,726
and then he realizes that's not
what I want, you know, like,

923
00:48:53,846 --> 00:48:55,528
this is not what I want, and so
it's.

924
00:48:55,528 --> 00:48:56,416
It's an interesting.

925
00:48:56,416 --> 00:49:00,144
I see both sides of this
argument and I think that goes

926
00:49:00,184 --> 00:49:03,240
to show just how good the
writing of the show is.

927
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,793
I think all of us will agree
that he's a well-written

928
00:49:06,833 --> 00:49:10,639
character and he is morally
complex, and the fact that we've

929
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:15,023
been talking about him now for
like 20 minutes is a good gauge

930
00:49:15,103 --> 00:49:15,465
for that.

931
00:49:15,485 --> 00:49:18,300
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, but I
think In real life I'm very

932
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,260
forgiving when discussing
characters.

933
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:26,900
I'm essentially Judge Dredd, I
am Okay and I'm unforgiving.

934
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:27,702
It's terrible.

935
00:49:28,164 --> 00:49:31,420
Speaker 1: Oh man, I would love
to continue this conversation,

936
00:49:31,501 --> 00:49:33,505
but we have more Andor to talk
about.

937
00:49:33,565 --> 00:49:34,648
Speaker 2: We do, we do.

938
00:49:35,635 --> 00:49:39,606
Speaker 1: Really quick final
thoughts on the Gorman front,

939
00:49:39,715 --> 00:49:44,684
Specifically how they were
capable of showcasing this trap

940
00:49:44,744 --> 00:49:45,826
that they you know.

941
00:49:45,826 --> 00:49:49,277
Eventually, that led to mass
mass genocide you.

942
00:49:49,358 --> 00:49:51,704
Speaker 2: You know, what was
crazy about that was that it

943
00:49:51,764 --> 00:49:52,405
really did.

944
00:49:52,405 --> 00:49:57,143
It gave me even more like world
war ii vibes, like it was so

945
00:49:57,264 --> 00:50:01,074
well those scenes were so well
like constructed and written,

946
00:50:01,797 --> 00:50:05,949
that like it really blew my mind
that just this, the whole

947
00:50:05,969 --> 00:50:08,376
season, the season as a whole,
was amazing.

948
00:50:08,376 --> 00:50:10,702
But like the fact that I was
like, oh my gosh.

949
00:50:10,702 --> 00:50:13,335
Like you get to the second part
of the season, you're like, oh

950
00:50:13,356 --> 00:50:14,599
my gosh, it gets even better.

951
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:15,902
How's that even possible?

952
00:50:16,583 --> 00:50:19,539
Speaker 1: yeah, the moment that
you know the they, they stopped

953
00:50:19,539 --> 00:50:22,547
chanting and they started
singing their national anthem or

954
00:50:22,547 --> 00:50:23,637
their, their, their anthem.

955
00:50:23,637 --> 00:50:29,039
Whatever we are the goal, my
heart sank because you know it's

956
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:32,367
not gonna end well, you know
it's just gonna be the worst

957
00:50:32,407 --> 00:50:32,907
thing ever.

958
00:50:32,907 --> 00:50:37,186
And these poor people who you
know are just, they're just

959
00:50:37,206 --> 00:50:37,646
trying to live.

960
00:50:37,646 --> 00:50:40,599
You know they're trying to be
who they've always been.

961
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,907
We're very quickly snuffed out
rich.

962
00:50:43,907 --> 00:50:45,552
What are your thoughts on this?

963
00:50:45,612 --> 00:50:45,793
Speaker 3: episode.

964
00:50:45,793 --> 00:50:47,056
I think I said it last time.

965
00:50:47,056 --> 00:50:53,246
You know gripping amazing
television, but I don't want to

966
00:50:53,286 --> 00:50:55,329
do this more than I don't want.

967
00:50:55,936 --> 00:50:57,702
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, yeah, we
I can't.

968
00:50:57,802 --> 00:51:00,510
Speaker 3: I can't watch this
week in week out yeah, no, it

969
00:51:00,530 --> 00:51:04,003
just you know, and I watched it
like three times or whatever, as

970
00:51:04,003 --> 00:51:07,900
I normally do, and I found it
harder and harder each time, I'd

971
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,485
see, because you knew what was
coming, a little bit I see

972
00:51:10,525 --> 00:51:11,936
somebody's reaction in the crowd
.

973
00:51:11,978 --> 00:51:13,099
That was a little different.

974
00:51:13,099 --> 00:51:15,005
It's just I don't know like
it's.

975
00:51:15,005 --> 00:51:18,802
It's really well done and, like
anthony said, yeah, world war

976
00:51:18,842 --> 00:51:19,483
ii vibes.

977
00:51:19,483 --> 00:51:22,818
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna be a
little bit, possibly more

978
00:51:22,858 --> 00:51:25,063
divisive and say that it's
reflective of a lot of things

979
00:51:25,103 --> 00:51:28,746
I'm seeing around the world
currently and maybe that made it

980
00:51:28,746 --> 00:51:31,898
much more chilling, like to the
point where you know, when

981
00:51:32,117 --> 00:51:35,481
everything was going down in
California and Los Angeles, I

982
00:51:36,603 --> 00:51:40,347
read I'm reading the New York
Times in the car and I yell out

983
00:51:41,027 --> 00:51:47,043
does he think this is bleep and
gore, like this is not Star Wars

984
00:51:47,043 --> 00:51:47,043
.

985
00:51:47,255 --> 00:51:51,438
We know what's happening, like
you're not planets away and I'll

986
00:51:51,438 --> 00:51:52,041
leave it at that.

987
00:51:52,041 --> 00:51:55,297
That's a real reaction I had
after seeing the episode and

988
00:51:55,356 --> 00:51:58,155
it's something that Star Wars
has never made me feel, and

989
00:51:58,677 --> 00:52:00,364
kudos to them for doing it.

990
00:52:00,364 --> 00:52:04,806
But, moving forward, I want
some fun stuff.

991
00:52:04,806 --> 00:52:08,405
You know, I want, like some
Padawans, to fall into some

992
00:52:08,465 --> 00:52:10,018
mischief because they, you know.

993
00:52:10,018 --> 00:52:13,398
I want some little kids to get
on a ship and accidentally take

994
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,101
off into space.

995
00:52:14,101 --> 00:52:17,726
I want a little bit more
saccharine with my Star Wars.

996
00:52:18,976 --> 00:52:19,398
Speaker 1: Got it.

997
00:52:19,398 --> 00:52:20,442
Yeah, no, I hear you.

998
00:52:20,442 --> 00:52:22,181
All right, let's jump into the
next episode.

999
00:52:22,181 --> 00:52:26,119
We spoke, or, rich, you said
earlier that you didn't think

1000
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:29,135
that the Senate would ever
entertain you and I, growing up

1001
00:52:29,356 --> 00:52:33,286
with the prequels, where the
Senate was always just kind of

1002
00:52:33,545 --> 00:52:38,407
the boring scenes, I will
probably have some newfound

1003
00:52:38,447 --> 00:52:40,858
respect, like going into those
scenes just because I know

1004
00:52:40,898 --> 00:52:44,976
what's capable in the Senate at
this point and ultimately, like

1005
00:52:45,418 --> 00:52:50,161
I felt like what mothma was
going through, you know, like

1006
00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:52,927
over the course of this season,
you know, as she's trying to,

1007
00:52:53,088 --> 00:52:56,001
you know, get people on to her
cause, and like she's trying to

1008
00:52:56,041 --> 00:52:59,615
like, pull more attention to
gorman and all that, and people

1009
00:52:59,635 --> 00:53:02,920
were just, you know, pushing her
away, whatever, until until you

1010
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,963
know this episode where she
finally, like you know, breaks

1011
00:53:06,364 --> 00:53:10,268
with decorum and decides to, you
know, tell it like it is.

1012
00:53:10,590 --> 00:53:11,851
You know this is genocide.

1013
00:53:11,851 --> 00:53:15,143
You know you're all propping up
this monster, palpatine, who's

1014
00:53:15,163 --> 00:53:18,018
going to come for you on the end
, and she's entirely right to do

1015
00:53:18,018 --> 00:53:19,742
so, and she's entirely right in
general.

1016
00:53:19,742 --> 00:53:21,295
And it's such a good scene.

1017
00:53:21,295 --> 00:53:26,005
The tension in the air, the
other senators who give up their

1018
00:53:26,005 --> 00:53:32,663
time to speak so that she can
have this in is so brilliant.

1019
00:53:32,663 --> 00:53:35,668
And yeah, no man, it's so, it's
so good.

1020
00:53:35,668 --> 00:53:38,778
I would watch a show of, you
know, mothma in the Senate.

1021
00:53:38,778 --> 00:53:43,164
I just feel like it's such a
strong maybe not a whole show,

1022
00:53:43,346 --> 00:53:48,954
but you know, like if, if that
was the level of intrigue that

1023
00:53:48,994 --> 00:53:52,983
we got from the proceedings in
the star wars senate, I would

1024
00:53:53,143 --> 00:53:54,106
love to see more of that.

1025
00:53:54,106 --> 00:53:55,268
Like I, watched.

1026
00:53:55,434 --> 00:53:56,597
Speaker 3: I've watched c-span.

1027
00:53:56,597 --> 00:54:00,346
When I was younger and weirder,
I would totally watch like a

1028
00:54:00,447 --> 00:54:02,838
c-span s galactic senate
hearings.

1029
00:54:02,838 --> 00:54:06,967
I mean it's nerdy, but I just I
did like the the seating of the

1030
00:54:06,967 --> 00:54:07,268
time.

1031
00:54:07,268 --> 00:54:13,384
You know like and in you know
law 17 bc.

1032
00:54:13,605 --> 00:54:17,230
The precedent was said so that a
senior member can see to you

1033
00:54:17,255 --> 00:54:20,081
know like, and just a little
tiny loopholes that they were

1034
00:54:20,141 --> 00:54:25,099
pulling and how that's kind of
stuff and it reminded me of, in

1035
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:27,503
some ways, like the
filibustering that we have, you

1036
00:54:27,543 --> 00:54:30,248
know, in the US Senate or in the
House of Representatives

1037
00:54:30,268 --> 00:54:34,704
sometimes when it's like this
totally arcane, like weird thing

1038
00:54:34,704 --> 00:54:37,719
, and they're like yeah, by the
way, so we're just going to talk

1039
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,007
for 27 hours because it's a
rule there.

1040
00:54:42,047 --> 00:54:43,329
Speaker 1: You know that we're
allowed to break.

1041
00:54:43,795 --> 00:54:46,864
Speaker 3: So I thought that was
like that made it even better

1042
00:54:46,905 --> 00:54:47,144
for me.

1043
00:54:47,144 --> 00:54:52,065
And I actually also liked when
Mothma was asking Bael if he

1044
00:54:52,106 --> 00:54:54,378
could vouch for his people and
he's like, yeah, of course you

1045
00:54:54,398 --> 00:54:54,981
can vouch for them.

1046
00:54:54,981 --> 00:54:56,581
And she's like do you know them
?

1047
00:54:56,581 --> 00:55:00,304
And he's like, no, of course I
can't, I don't know them, I

1048
00:55:00,405 --> 00:55:01,027
can't know them.

1049
00:55:01,027 --> 00:55:05,643
And I thought that was
top-notch, like I I can vouch

1050
00:55:05,682 --> 00:55:10,077
for them as much as I can, but I
have to protect myself and

1051
00:55:10,177 --> 00:55:13,264
there's no way I can actually
know that these are people you

1052
00:55:13,284 --> 00:55:16,300
can trust which is why luthan
was so important in that moment,

1053
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,907
because he realized that, you
know, bale's team was

1054
00:55:18,954 --> 00:55:21,440
compromised yeah anthony, what
are your thoughts on this

1055
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:21,840
episode?

1056
00:55:22,481 --> 00:55:23,684
Speaker 2: I thought it was
really cool.

1057
00:55:23,684 --> 00:55:26,809
I I liked mon mothma's speech.

1058
00:55:26,809 --> 00:55:31,351
I would also kind of agree that
we could get, like you know, I

1059
00:55:31,371 --> 00:55:35,400
know you said like a whole
series, but maybe like a limited

1060
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,516
series of mon mothma, maybe in
the moment where she kind of I

1061
00:55:40,556 --> 00:55:43,699
mean it might have been for a
while but like disillusioned

1062
00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:48,106
with whatever the empire was
selling, and her introduction to

1063
00:55:48,106 --> 00:55:51,510
luthan, that'd be cool yeah,
that would be cool because we

1064
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:54,661
didn't actually see, like how
they were first introduced.

1065
00:55:54,681 --> 00:55:56,186
Speaker 1: So that's, that's,
that would be pretty neat.

1066
00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:59,463
What do we think of the
extraction with cassian?

1067
00:55:59,463 --> 00:56:02,938
You know, leading up to that
point, we have the empire, like

1068
00:56:03,179 --> 00:56:06,295
isb, specifically going crazy,
trying to like shut her down,

1069
00:56:06,577 --> 00:56:07,701
and they finally do shut her
down.

1070
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,956
But you know, she, she said what
she needed to say yeah I love

1071
00:56:11,016 --> 00:56:16,967
that so much because that speech
goes basically viral and you

1072
00:56:16,987 --> 00:56:18,836
know everyone in the galaxy
hears it.

1073
00:56:18,836 --> 00:56:25,826
And then you have this race for
cassian to get her and her aid

1074
00:56:26,025 --> 00:56:29,610
to this meeting point somewhere
else in the galaxy.

1075
00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:31,900
And I don't know if you guys
know I might have brought it up

1076
00:56:31,961 --> 00:56:32,643
on a previous show.

1077
00:56:32,643 --> 00:56:36,864
There's kind of like a secret
episode after this point that

1078
00:56:36,903 --> 00:56:40,460
you can watch If you decide to
jump onto Star Wars Rebels at

1079
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:40,920
any point.

1080
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:49,356
You can watch Season 3, episode
18, secret Cargo, and it's the

1081
00:56:49,376 --> 00:56:50,858
follow-up to what happens in the
events of this episode.

1082
00:56:50,878 --> 00:56:53,766
So we have mon mothma, who just
gave her speech and just got

1083
00:56:53,806 --> 00:56:57,460
away from the empire being
shipped over to the rebellion

1084
00:56:57,922 --> 00:57:02,076
and the rebels are gearing her
up to speak to the disparate

1085
00:57:02,135 --> 00:57:06,226
rebel groups and that's the
speech that she gives that like

1086
00:57:06,525 --> 00:57:09,822
starts the rebel alliance, like
fully, because at this point

1087
00:57:09,844 --> 00:57:13,635
they haven't really formed that
unique alliance even though

1088
00:57:13,655 --> 00:57:15,478
they're all kind of over the
galaxy.

1089
00:57:15,478 --> 00:57:21,456
So this episode with mothma
giving that speech leads pretty

1090
00:57:21,496 --> 00:57:26,385
closely into what happens in the
rebels episode.

1091
00:57:26,385 --> 00:57:28,527
Secret cargo, season 3, episode
18.

1092
00:57:28,527 --> 00:57:31,237
Not as closely as the.

1093
00:57:31,237 --> 00:57:35,106
The final episode of andor,
season 2, leans into rogue one,

1094
00:57:35,487 --> 00:57:37,498
but the connections are
definitely there and you will

1095
00:57:37,518 --> 00:57:41,152
definitely experience more about
what's happening in the galaxy

1096
00:57:41,653 --> 00:57:44,447
and how the rebels came together
if you watch those two episodes

1097
00:57:44,447 --> 00:57:46,574
back to back right, right now.

1098
00:57:46,614 --> 00:57:47,697
Speaker 2: That's cool, I like.

1099
00:57:47,918 --> 00:57:51,826
Speaker 1: I like when they do
connections like that yeah and

1100
00:57:52,887 --> 00:57:56,065
yeah, let's jump into the, the
final three episodes, because

1101
00:57:56,085 --> 00:57:57,489
they all kind of happened really
quickly.

1102
00:57:57,489 --> 00:57:58,894
Luthan is caught.

1103
00:57:58,894 --> 00:58:01,179
Yeah, what do we think of the?

1104
00:58:01,298 --> 00:58:04,505
Speaker 2: the daedra and luthan
scene as soon as she went in,

1105
00:58:04,525 --> 00:58:07,777
like I knew it, I was like, yeah
, I mean, but he, he knew it.

1106
00:58:07,777 --> 00:58:11,063
He also knew, he knew that that
time was coming and he felt it

1107
00:58:11,123 --> 00:58:16,039
in that moment he had no
reservations about him surviving

1108
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:16,420
the war.

1109
00:58:17,121 --> 00:58:20,547
Speaker 1: He knew that he was
in too deep, he had too many

1110
00:58:20,648 --> 00:58:24,362
holes in the galaxy, basically
too many people that he was

1111
00:58:24,402 --> 00:58:26,376
spying on for it not to fall
back on him.

1112
00:58:26,376 --> 00:58:30,523
Eventually he was kind of like
too big of a pawn not to topple

1113
00:58:31,804 --> 00:58:36,340
and, yeah, we finally get the
name drop of a death star.

1114
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:40,592
You know, like lonnie finds out
that this energy program that

1115
00:58:40,632 --> 00:58:43,398
the emperor has been running for
a couple years isn't actually

1116
00:58:43,438 --> 00:58:44,420
an energy program.

1117
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:47,505
He's building a super weapon,
and they don't know what the

1118
00:58:47,525 --> 00:58:48,927
super weapon is capable of.

1119
00:58:48,927 --> 00:58:52,217
They just know it's big and bad
and he's been working on it for

1120
00:58:52,217 --> 00:58:52,659
years.

1121
00:58:52,659 --> 00:58:55,326
What did we think of lani's
final moments?

1122
00:58:55,806 --> 00:58:58,637
Speaker 2: that was kind of
crazy, because it really shows

1123
00:58:58,878 --> 00:59:03,503
how similar luthen and andor are
.

1124
00:59:03,503 --> 00:59:06,947
Like they'll, uh, sever some
loose ends.

1125
00:59:06,947 --> 00:59:08,690
Man and Lonnie was was.

1126
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:09,675
He was a loose end.

1127
00:59:09,675 --> 00:59:12,362
I had a feeling that that was
going to be his fate.

1128
00:59:12,943 --> 00:59:14,467
Speaker 1: Rich, what do you
think of Lonnie's end?

1129
00:59:14,775 --> 00:59:17,902
Speaker 3: yeah, I kind of I
kind of always had a feeling

1130
00:59:17,943 --> 00:59:19,726
that it wasn't going to end well
for him.

1131
00:59:19,726 --> 00:59:23,518
He tried showing a backbone at
some point, but it was kind of

1132
00:59:23,556 --> 00:59:25,259
too late and he was kind of in
too deep.

1133
00:59:25,259 --> 00:59:28,782
I don't trust a man with a
mustache like that to begin with

1134
00:59:28,782 --> 00:59:28,782
.

1135
00:59:28,782 --> 00:59:34,865
So, as our listeners may not
know, but I am mustache-less.

1136
00:59:34,865 --> 00:59:38,989
I refuse to wear to sport a
mustache as it calls my

1137
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:40,010
character into question.

1138
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:42,152
And I felt the same way about
Lonnie.

1139
00:59:44,617 --> 00:59:45,534
Speaker 1: No, but I Hold on,
hold on.

1140
00:59:45,534 --> 00:59:48,481
We have to also express to the
audience that the other two of

1141
00:59:48,561 --> 00:59:49,960
us do have mustaches.

1142
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,572
What does that say about our
characters, rich, you've got to

1143
00:59:54,592 --> 00:59:55,878
expand on that a little bit.

1144
00:59:55,938 --> 00:59:57,003
Speaker 3: You guys do have
beards.

1145
00:59:57,003 --> 01:00:02,420
I do think that means you guys
are big Rhydonium hounds like

1146
01:00:02,541 --> 01:00:03,043
huge.

1147
01:00:04,094 --> 01:00:05,476
Speaker 1: Just always huffing.

1148
01:00:05,373 --> 01:00:06,090
Speaker 3: Rhydonium, just all
the time.

1149
01:00:06,090 --> 01:00:07,141
Rhydonium hounds like huge,
just always huffing Rhydonium

1150
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:07,257
just all the time.

1151
01:00:07,317 --> 01:00:08,460
Speaker 1: Right Rhydonium
huffers.

1152
01:00:09,182 --> 01:00:09,804
Speaker 2: Save the dream.

1153
01:00:10,456 --> 01:00:11,882
Speaker 3: I just I don't think
I liked Lonnie.

1154
01:00:11,882 --> 01:00:14,523
I think I kind of expected this
to happen, right.

1155
01:00:14,523 --> 01:00:19,798
I mean, this is kind of what
eventually has to happen to

1156
01:00:19,838 --> 01:00:20,579
spies, right.

1157
01:00:20,699 --> 01:00:21,559
Speaker 1: They're going to be
burned eventually.

1158
01:00:21,579 --> 01:00:24,643
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I mean
, and you kind of get into you,

1159
01:00:24,782 --> 01:00:27,264
kind of he signed up for it
right.

1160
01:00:27,925 --> 01:00:31,768
Speaker 1: Essentially, I think
we wanted him to be to get free.

1161
01:00:31,768 --> 01:00:34,909
You know, like, as we're
watching, you're just like, oh

1162
01:00:34,929 --> 01:00:36,931
yeah, he's got a family, he's
got, you know he's got a wife

1163
01:00:36,972 --> 01:00:37,411
and a kid.

1164
01:00:37,411 --> 01:00:40,416
And you see that, like you
haven't, you haven't.

1165
01:00:40,416 --> 01:00:44,681
You know, like that, like
calmness, like you know, hit him

1166
01:00:44,681 --> 01:00:49,226
as he like gets some sense of
relief in that moment.

1167
01:00:49,226 --> 01:00:52,974
And then the next we know is
you know he's dead, yeah, and

1168
01:00:52,996 --> 01:00:55,824
then, pretty much immediately
after that, the dominoes start

1169
01:00:55,864 --> 01:00:56,186
falling.

1170
01:00:56,186 --> 01:01:01,141
Deidre comes to his office
space and it's such a fantastic

1171
01:01:01,201 --> 01:01:03,583
scene, those two characters
having never interacted before.

1172
01:01:03,583 --> 01:01:05,179
Yeah, I love that.

1173
01:01:05,179 --> 01:01:10,041
And she asks him like are all
of these items legit?

1174
01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:11,784
Like are these actual things?

1175
01:01:11,784 --> 01:01:14,896
And he goes there's only two,
two items of questionable

1176
01:01:14,976 --> 01:01:18,224
provenance, and he's talking
about himself and her.

1177
01:01:18,224 --> 01:01:21,356
You know, like he's that's what
he's talking about is just like

1178
01:01:21,356 --> 01:01:26,766
I'm not really nameduthen Rail
and you're not really here to.

1179
01:01:26,766 --> 01:01:29,210
You know, look at my artifacts.

1180
01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:31,101
You know, like it's so good.

1181
01:01:31,375 --> 01:01:34,023
Speaker 2: Bro, when she pulled
out that Starpath unit I was

1182
01:01:34,063 --> 01:01:37,922
like yeah, it's just like.

1183
01:01:37,922 --> 01:01:40,463
I was like man, not the
callback to season one.

1184
01:01:41,635 --> 01:01:44,121
Speaker 1: I would have if I was
Luthen and I wanted to play

1185
01:01:44,141 --> 01:01:46,027
that off a little bit, a little
more.

1186
01:01:46,027 --> 01:01:48,202
I would have been like vintage.

1187
01:01:48,202 --> 01:01:50,483
The empire has only been around
for 19 years.

1188
01:01:50,483 --> 01:01:53,523
Everything else in this place
is like thousands of years old.

1189
01:01:53,684 --> 01:01:53,905
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1190
01:01:54,175 --> 01:01:56,641
Speaker 1: So Luthen stabs
himself with that Nautilin

1191
01:01:56,661 --> 01:01:59,248
bleeder, which might not even be
real.

1192
01:01:59,248 --> 01:02:02,264
I think that's what got to me
at the end of the episode.

1193
01:02:02,264 --> 01:02:03,922
I was like is the Nautilin
bleeder real?

1194
01:02:03,922 --> 01:02:11,735
I need to know.

1195
01:02:11,735 --> 01:02:13,278
Well, it made him bleed, all
right, but is he noddling?

1196
01:02:13,278 --> 01:02:13,639
I don't think so.

1197
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:15,143
What did we think of kleia's
arc in these last episodes?

1198
01:02:15,143 --> 01:02:17,467
Because she's always been this
character in the background that

1199
01:02:17,467 --> 01:02:21,860
has shown a little bit more
gumption as the show's going on.

1200
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:22,300
What?

1201
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:22,942
What are our thoughts?

1202
01:02:23,081 --> 01:02:25,224
Speaker 3: I wish the series was
longer.

1203
01:02:25,224 --> 01:02:31,541
I don't love exposition dumps
almost, or the need for

1204
01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:32,143
flashback.

1205
01:02:32,143 --> 01:02:36,266
I got, like Naruto, ptsd from
flashback episodes.

1206
01:02:36,266 --> 01:02:39,679
So I understand that they had
to do it right, because they

1207
01:02:39,699 --> 01:02:42,501
obviously started the series
while we already have them in a

1208
01:02:42,521 --> 01:02:43,103
relationship.

1209
01:02:43,974 --> 01:02:45,635
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't
understand the relationship, so

1210
01:02:45,655 --> 01:02:49,563
they kind of have to explain it
a know and I, I get it, I mean

1211
01:02:50,003 --> 01:02:51,347
it, it's believable.

1212
01:02:51,568 --> 01:02:54,641
Speaker 3: It gives us a reason
why luthan left.

1213
01:02:54,641 --> 01:02:59,514
Although he definitely doesn't,
although he does treat her like

1214
01:02:59,514 --> 01:03:01,800
a daughter, he also doesn't
treat her like a daughter, right

1215
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,373
, like I would probably not put
my son in some of the perilous

1216
01:03:06,393 --> 01:03:10,963
situations and ask him if he's
ready to to set off a bridge and

1217
01:03:10,963 --> 01:03:12,385
kill people on naboo.

1218
01:03:12,385 --> 01:03:13,407
It seemed like that.

1219
01:03:13,407 --> 01:03:14,398
I think that was naboo.

1220
01:03:14,398 --> 01:03:15,824
It felt like naboo it was.

1221
01:03:15,943 --> 01:03:18,554
Speaker 1: It was, uh, confirmed
to be naboo, I, I, and it makes

1222
01:03:18,554 --> 01:03:21,782
sense because palpatine is from
naboo, so he went into a

1223
01:03:21,822 --> 01:03:24,027
terrorist attack in his homeland
.

1224
01:03:24,568 --> 01:03:28,876
Speaker 2: So I mean that that
kleia was his daughter when it

1225
01:03:28,896 --> 01:03:31,161
was convenient yeah, when it was
convenient.

1226
01:03:31,161 --> 01:03:33,688
I like that yeah, that was his
line.

1227
01:03:33,688 --> 01:03:38,704
Oh yeah, something that we I
mean we can, we can, uh, let's.

1228
01:03:38,704 --> 01:03:41,655
Let's finish this up here, but
something that we forgot to

1229
01:03:41,715 --> 01:03:47,347
mention was andor had pulled
from gorman a k2so yes, yeah, so

1230
01:03:47,347 --> 01:03:47,688
that's.

1231
01:03:47,788 --> 01:03:48,916
Speaker 1: That's one of the.

1232
01:03:48,916 --> 01:03:52,344
The better things about this
last arc is that the vibes are a

1233
01:03:52,344 --> 01:03:56,282
little bit different, and I
think that's specifically to do

1234
01:03:56,322 --> 01:03:59,570
with the fact that everyone's
now on yavin and they now have

1235
01:03:59,594 --> 01:04:00,436
another team member.

1236
01:04:00,436 --> 01:04:02,800
That adds a lot of levity to
the show.

1237
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,268
And and I'm glad that K-2SO
wasn't a thing for the entirety

1238
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:10,342
of the series or like the
majority of the series, I mean

1239
01:04:10,735 --> 01:04:14,105
Just because I would have loved
him.

1240
01:04:14,105 --> 01:04:17,697
I would have loved him from the
first episode, but I like

1241
01:04:18,298 --> 01:04:24,559
seeing Andor exist before K-2SO,
because now that I know that

1242
01:04:24,759 --> 01:04:28,717
with K-22so he almost seems like
a more complete person, if that

1243
01:04:28,717 --> 01:04:29,260
makes sense.

1244
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,007
Speaker 2: Like there was
something missing from him.

1245
01:04:31,007 --> 01:04:36,742
Yeah, he was definitely missing
, something like before k2so and

1246
01:04:36,742 --> 01:04:42,914
or was b2emo like he was being
too yeah he definitely replaced

1247
01:04:42,954 --> 01:04:45,300
b2emo way too quickly.

1248
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,659
Speaker 1: I'm glad that b2emo
got a final happy moment at the

1249
01:04:48,759 --> 01:04:51,266
end there, you know he's, he's
with his friends and he's with

1250
01:04:52,177 --> 01:04:56,083
bix and yeah, yeah, which his
daughter and all that that.

1251
01:04:56,083 --> 01:05:00,362
That last moment was kind of
crazy too yeah and I feel like

1252
01:05:00,403 --> 01:05:02,873
we're skipping a whole bunch,
but we're coming up on like a

1253
01:05:02,914 --> 01:05:05,599
minute or an hour and 20 and so
I'm just trying to like.

1254
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:09,106
All the best scenes are just
piling up in my head right now.

1255
01:05:09,106 --> 01:05:10,469
Well, really a lot like.

1256
01:05:10,548 --> 01:05:11,958
Speaker 2: I mean, we covered a
lot of it.

1257
01:05:11,958 --> 01:05:17,432
You know, luthan, he stabs
himself and kleia pretty much

1258
01:05:17,753 --> 01:05:20,701
takes it upon herself to, you
know, kill him while he's in the

1259
01:05:20,701 --> 01:05:24,878
hospital because you know she
didn't want him, like there was

1260
01:05:24,958 --> 01:05:26,978
no way that she was going to be
able to extract them.

1261
01:05:26,978 --> 01:05:30,811
And so you know, that's
something that he would have

1262
01:05:30,992 --> 01:05:33,119
wanted, because he didn't want
to be captured.

1263
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:38,251
And so she, she took it upon
herself to do that and and or

1264
01:05:38,753 --> 01:05:43,181
comes in for one last extraction
, which is to get clea out of

1265
01:05:43,322 --> 01:05:46,989
coruscant, which initially she
didn't want to yeah, let's talk

1266
01:05:47,009 --> 01:05:49,963
a little bit about kleia and
yavin and like why she's so

1267
01:05:50,025 --> 01:05:53,215
apprehensive to make that trip
to yavin.

1268
01:05:53,775 --> 01:05:54,818
Speaker 1: What are your
thoughts on that?

1269
01:05:54,818 --> 01:05:59,588
Like, why was she so almost
like haughty when it comes to

1270
01:06:00,596 --> 01:06:01,637
being taken to yavin?

1271
01:06:01,637 --> 01:06:02,820
How did you interpret that?

1272
01:06:03,061 --> 01:06:06,706
Speaker 2: well, I know that
that side wasn't too partial

1273
01:06:06,947 --> 01:06:10,601
with luthan I guess because he
still kind of had a little bit

1274
01:06:10,661 --> 01:06:15,195
of like an extremist like type
of mentality, not as bad as saw,

1275
01:06:15,195 --> 01:06:20,925
but he was almost like his own,
like little you know, I guess

1276
01:06:21,126 --> 01:06:24,639
rebel outfit, that didn't yeah,
he was a rebel cell that didn't

1277
01:06:25,121 --> 01:06:26,945
actually become part of the
Alliance.

1278
01:06:26,985 --> 01:06:27,606
Right, right, right.

1279
01:06:27,606 --> 01:06:34,164
Same thing with Saw and Saw and
Luthan, weren't you know they

1280
01:06:34,184 --> 01:06:35,347
weren't really buddy-buddies?

1281
01:06:35,347 --> 01:06:41,275
There was this, I guess kind of
you know, I guess respect, but

1282
01:06:41,617 --> 01:06:45,619
it was still like you know,
you're crazy, you know, like

1283
01:06:45,659 --> 01:06:49,438
Luthan was like yeah, this guy's
crazy, and like he realized

1284
01:06:49,498 --> 01:06:50,661
that rich.

1285
01:06:50,681 --> 01:06:53,547
Speaker 1: What are your
thoughts on clay's apprehension

1286
01:06:53,608 --> 01:06:55,757
to yavin lifestyle?

1287
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,362
Speaker 3: I don't think that
she is.

1288
01:06:57,362 --> 01:07:00,246
That's not her world, that's
not her universe.

1289
01:07:00,246 --> 01:07:06,884
Living comfortably in one place
with people and being her real

1290
01:07:06,963 --> 01:07:10,409
self without Luthan around, I
think, is just something that

1291
01:07:10,809 --> 01:07:11,429
she just can't.

1292
01:07:11,429 --> 01:07:15,476
She's not been her real self
with anyone but him, and even

1293
01:07:15,596 --> 01:07:21,356
then she seemed guarded, in some
ways right, because the cause

1294
01:07:21,456 --> 01:07:22,755
was the most important thing.

1295
01:07:22,755 --> 01:07:24,918
The cause was the most
important thing so.

1296
01:07:24,998 --> 01:07:29,860
I don't think that she could
just now fall into this idea

1297
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:32,902
that there's this whole group
and that she's part of this

1298
01:07:33,001 --> 01:07:33,302
group.

1299
01:07:33,302 --> 01:07:35,983
They were catalysts.

1300
01:07:35,983 --> 01:07:37,483
They're not part of this.

1301
01:07:37,483 --> 01:07:38,744
They weren't conformists.

1302
01:07:38,744 --> 01:07:39,764
They weren't conformists.

1303
01:07:39,905 --> 01:07:41,666
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's
a good point.

1304
01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:44,628
What I found was interesting
was that everyone kept saying,

1305
01:07:45,427 --> 01:07:49,891
like Cassian and Clea both
heavily believed that the rebels

1306
01:07:49,891 --> 01:07:54,333
on Yavin wouldn't exist had
Luthan not been who he was.

1307
01:07:54,333 --> 01:08:04,902
And it almost makes me wonder,
like, where did the money go,

1308
01:08:04,922 --> 01:08:06,085
when you know they stole it off
of aldani?

1309
01:08:06,085 --> 01:08:06,565
What happened after?

1310
01:08:06,565 --> 01:08:10,217
You know, cassian left yavin
earlier in this season and left

1311
01:08:10,237 --> 01:08:12,762
those that like crazy rebel cell
to die there.

1312
01:08:12,762 --> 01:08:16,859
Did he get that message to
luthan to say, like hey, this is

1313
01:08:16,859 --> 01:08:18,622
actually a pretty good place
for a base?

1314
01:08:18,622 --> 01:08:22,743
And you know like, because like
there's a lot of coincidences

1315
01:08:23,123 --> 01:08:26,414
and stuff where Luthan's kind of
at the center of everything,

1316
01:08:27,076 --> 01:08:31,222
like he's an axis, you know like
, is he responsible for the

1317
01:08:31,264 --> 01:08:34,628
formation of the rebel base on
Yavin?

1318
01:08:34,628 --> 01:08:36,619
I'm curious about that and I
don't think that we have an

1319
01:08:36,699 --> 01:08:36,961
answer.

1320
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,407
Speaker 2: I like that you
brought it here because

1321
01:08:39,815 --> 01:08:44,063
something that kind of made me
think about how the setup of the

1322
01:08:44,063 --> 01:08:44,382
show.

1323
01:08:44,382 --> 01:08:48,756
Remember, you know, I was
saying originally that andor was

1324
01:08:48,756 --> 01:08:50,059
supposed to be more seasons.

1325
01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:54,889
I think they were looking at
five seasons and so maybe that's

1326
01:08:54,889 --> 01:08:58,847
what they were like looking to
explore, maybe to expand a

1327
01:08:58,887 --> 01:09:02,457
little bit more on those like
year gaps but yeah I guess they

1328
01:09:02,518 --> 01:09:06,407
settled for something a little
bit more condensed, which I mean

1329
01:09:06,407 --> 01:09:10,262
even with it being condensed,
we got something that was really

1330
01:09:10,262 --> 01:09:10,764
good.

1331
01:09:11,546 --> 01:09:16,538
But I mean exactly and like
another reason why I'm glad you

1332
01:09:16,578 --> 01:09:19,445
say that, another thing that was
never resolved, that was

1333
01:09:19,506 --> 01:09:23,545
brought in the first season of
andor, his sister, what happened

1334
01:09:23,545 --> 01:09:23,746
there?

1335
01:09:24,448 --> 01:09:26,434
Speaker 1: so I I don't think
that was ever going to be

1336
01:09:26,493 --> 01:09:29,881
resolved, just based on comments
from tony gilroy.

1337
01:09:29,881 --> 01:09:34,737
He's basically said that, like
this is just a pipe dream that

1338
01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:35,679
andor's always had.

1339
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:38,445
Basically I don't think those
are his words exactly, but it's

1340
01:09:38,787 --> 01:09:44,123
it's that that drive is what
ultimately first gets him

1341
01:09:44,385 --> 01:09:45,988
involved in everything.

1342
01:09:45,988 --> 01:09:46,989
Basically Right.

1343
01:09:47,074 --> 01:09:49,063
Speaker 2: But it was kind of
like never addressed again,

1344
01:09:49,122 --> 01:09:51,119
though it was just like
literally the first episode.

1345
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:51,823
That was it.

1346
01:09:53,135 --> 01:09:56,012
Speaker 1: And they actually do
show the sister in the final

1347
01:09:56,052 --> 01:10:00,485
episode, but it's almost like a
symbolic viewing of the sister,

1348
01:10:00,506 --> 01:10:00,987
so I don't know.

1349
01:10:00,987 --> 01:10:05,662
She may still be out there
somewhere, but I think let's

1350
01:10:05,721 --> 01:10:07,055
bring this podcast to a close.

1351
01:10:07,055 --> 01:10:07,376
Guys.

1352
01:10:07,376 --> 01:10:09,301
Final thoughts rich did.

1353
01:10:09,301 --> 01:10:10,082
Why do you hate this show?

1354
01:10:10,122 --> 01:10:12,336
Speaker 3: so much I hate it
because it doesn't give me the

1355
01:10:12,376 --> 01:10:13,096
warm fuzzies.

1356
01:10:13,096 --> 01:10:18,506
I don't get to see ewoks
dancing and you there's not

1357
01:10:18,567 --> 01:10:22,279
enough using the helmets of
presumably decapitated

1358
01:10:22,860 --> 01:10:26,469
stormtroopers to make beautiful,
beautiful music with ghosts.

1359
01:10:27,296 --> 01:10:28,979
Yeah, I, I.

1360
01:10:28,979 --> 01:10:32,746
You know star wars is not
supposed to make me think the

1361
01:10:32,805 --> 01:10:36,497
adult things most of the time,
right, and I know that obviously

1362
01:10:36,497 --> 01:10:39,300
it's made for fantastic
television.

1363
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:46,608
It's definitely the best star
wars tv show that's out there.

1364
01:10:46,608 --> 01:10:51,101
You know all respect to obi-wan
and I know obi-wan, season two

1365
01:10:51,122 --> 01:10:52,067
is going to be even better.

1366
01:10:52,067 --> 01:10:54,136
It's going to be even better
than book of boba fed baby.

1367
01:10:54,136 --> 01:10:57,304
Uh, it's going to focus on one
character maybe, and then I'm

1368
01:10:57,344 --> 01:11:00,055
not it already was better than
book of boba fed.

1369
01:11:00,096 --> 01:11:05,664
To be yeah, to be fair I mean,
but at the same time I don't,

1370
01:11:06,265 --> 01:11:09,274
like I'm I'm not gonna my son
and I aren't gonna watch this,

1371
01:11:09,756 --> 01:11:10,797
not yet, right.

1372
01:11:10,797 --> 01:11:11,097
It's?

1373
01:11:11,097 --> 01:11:16,606
Yeah, it's too adult and it's
the first for me kind of

1374
01:11:17,849 --> 01:11:18,909
gatekeepy thing.

1375
01:11:18,909 --> 01:11:23,181
Look, there's there's three of
us here, totaling probably

1376
01:11:23,422 --> 01:11:24,725
almost 100 years of age.

1377
01:11:24,725 --> 01:11:27,489
But Star Wars is for kids,
right.

1378
01:11:27,489 --> 01:11:31,606
It's that hope and it's that
beautiful hope in the galaxy.

1379
01:11:31,606 --> 01:11:35,926
It's the hope and believing in
people and that's not what

1380
01:11:36,088 --> 01:11:40,443
Andor's about and it's okay and
it belongs and it needs to be

1381
01:11:40,483 --> 01:11:41,145
there, right?

1382
01:11:41,145 --> 01:11:47,662
But it doesn't scream Star Wars
to me and I think that's what

1383
01:11:48,082 --> 01:11:52,761
makes it so good all right, a
little twist there, anthony.

1384
01:11:52,881 --> 01:11:55,027
Speaker 1: Final thoughts the
worst.

1385
01:11:55,849 --> 01:12:00,118
Speaker 2: no, no, I actually I
agree with rich and I'm gonna be

1386
01:12:00,118 --> 01:12:00,659
honest with you.

1387
01:12:00,659 --> 01:12:04,876
Like I really do believe that
endor is the best star wars tv

1388
01:12:04,896 --> 01:12:08,686
show and that's even with the
existence of the Mandalorian.

1389
01:12:08,686 --> 01:12:12,904
Like, I love the Mandalorian,
but the Mandalorian is a lot of

1390
01:12:13,045 --> 01:12:13,846
fan service.

1391
01:12:13,846 --> 01:12:16,382
This is not fan service at all.

1392
01:12:16,382 --> 01:12:19,400
I mean, I don't know if you
know the amount of people that

1393
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:22,719
I've sung the praises of Andor
to and they're like, nah, it's

1394
01:12:22,738 --> 01:12:23,341
kind of boring.

1395
01:12:23,341 --> 01:12:25,958
I'm like dude, like Did you
sing it?

1396
01:12:26,019 --> 01:12:28,498
Speaker 1: did you sing it like
we are the goal?

1397
01:12:28,498 --> 01:12:29,100
Yes, of?

1398
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:32,886
Speaker 2: yeah, exactly, you
know I was standing on a statue

1399
01:12:33,006 --> 01:12:36,417
and everything you know, just
waving a flag, you know?

1400
01:12:36,778 --> 01:12:39,862
and but yeah, no, it's.

1401
01:12:39,862 --> 01:12:44,606
It is easily my favorite Star
Wars TV show.

1402
01:12:44,606 --> 01:12:49,375
It just blew my mind the way
that it connected so much and,

1403
01:12:49,676 --> 01:12:53,436
even though that there's still
stuff that was not explained, it

1404
01:12:53,436 --> 01:12:58,965
did a lot, man, and I'm proud
to say that a show that I never

1405
01:12:59,125 --> 01:13:03,760
asked for became a show that I'm
asking more of, that I want

1406
01:13:03,819 --> 01:13:07,765
more of, and that I am going to
be too emo that this is over.

1407
01:13:08,416 --> 01:13:10,461
Speaker 1: This is a top five
MCU project for me.

1408
01:13:10,461 --> 01:13:19,240
I no, it's top tier Star Wars
Like, even if you compare it to

1409
01:13:19,282 --> 01:13:24,096
the films you've never watched,
like hypothetically you've never

1410
01:13:24,096 --> 01:13:26,855
watched the original trilogy,
prequels, sequels, whatever you

1411
01:13:26,876 --> 01:13:27,015
want.

1412
01:13:27,015 --> 01:13:31,225
You watch the best of the best,
empire strikes back for the

1413
01:13:31,246 --> 01:13:34,221
first time and then you watch,
say, episodes eight and nine of

1414
01:13:34,301 --> 01:13:34,582
andor.

1415
01:13:34,582 --> 01:13:39,856
Pound for pound, andor is the
stronger technically thing.

1416
01:13:39,856 --> 01:13:42,661
So I I do believe that those
two hours of andor are the

1417
01:13:42,701 --> 01:13:45,284
strongest star wars that we've
ever received.

1418
01:13:45,284 --> 01:13:50,292
Whether it's like star wars,
star wars is up for debate and I

1419
01:13:50,292 --> 01:13:53,800
do hold the films up to a
higher level just because of you

1420
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,484
know, like what they represent
and everything.

1421
01:13:55,484 --> 01:13:59,159
But I'm just, you know, like if
, if we're taking nostalgia and

1422
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:02,587
we're taking you know the, the
years and production quality

1423
01:14:02,627 --> 01:14:05,498
that you know existed at the
times that they were produced in

1424
01:14:05,498 --> 01:14:08,844
, I do think Andor is probably
the strongest thing that we've

1425
01:14:08,884 --> 01:14:11,688
ever received and that's good.

1426
01:14:11,688 --> 01:14:17,738
More of that, you know it
doesn't have to be you know this

1427
01:14:17,738 --> 01:14:19,881
maturity level, it doesn't have
to be TVMA, it doesn't have to

1428
01:14:19,902 --> 01:14:22,688
be extremely dark or anything
like that.

1429
01:14:22,688 --> 01:14:26,875
But if we can get this quality
of writing in another star wars

1430
01:14:26,895 --> 01:14:31,064
project down the line I'd be,
I'd be a happy camper and the

1431
01:14:31,125 --> 01:14:32,636
the future would look bright for
star wars.

1432
01:14:33,016 --> 01:14:38,949
So that's that's how I feel, and
if you don't like it, you can

1433
01:14:39,010 --> 01:14:39,470
go away.

1434
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:42,837
Yeah, no, I really like, I
really like android guys.

1435
01:14:42,837 --> 01:14:45,643
Yeah, thanks so much for
listening to us here for our

1436
01:14:45,783 --> 01:14:49,069
125th episode of Project
Geekology.

1437
01:14:49,069 --> 01:14:52,682
My name is Dakota again, and
we're joined as always with

1438
01:14:52,863 --> 01:14:57,423
Anthony and Rich, and we had a
great time talking about the

1439
01:14:57,463 --> 01:14:58,627
final two episodes of Andor.

1440
01:14:58,627 --> 01:15:01,542
There's not going to be a
normal episode next week.

1441
01:15:01,542 --> 01:15:05,823
I'm going to be away, but we're
going to be picking back up the

1442
01:15:05,823 --> 01:15:09,820
following week with something
hopefully very good to be

1443
01:15:09,881 --> 01:15:10,622
determined.

1444
01:15:11,283 --> 01:15:13,708
Speaker 2: Either is it, you
know, keep an eye out for, you

1445
01:15:14,055 --> 01:15:19,404
know, maybe an update on on
twitter, or, uh, you know, just

1446
01:15:19,746 --> 01:15:23,020
keep an eye out for an episode
drop keep an eye out to the sky,

1447
01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:23,764
you might see.

1448
01:15:23,804 --> 01:15:25,189
Speaker 1: You might see like a
red cape.

1449
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:26,675
We're dropping a vine.

1450
01:15:26,775 --> 01:15:30,068
Speaker 3: We'll be dropping a
vine on Wednesday at 4.35.

1451
01:15:30,068 --> 01:15:31,577
So just tune into Vine.

1452
01:15:31,577 --> 01:15:33,002
Do it for the gram guys.

1453
01:15:33,462 --> 01:15:35,416
Speaker 1: You guys want to do
Superman Sure.

1454
01:15:35,797 --> 01:15:36,742
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm down for
that man.

1455
01:15:37,875 --> 01:15:39,926
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do the
new Superman movie that's coming

1456
01:15:39,926 --> 01:15:40,127
out.

1457
01:15:40,127 --> 01:15:41,319
It should be coming out next
week.

1458
01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:43,197
We will cover it the following
week.

1459
01:15:43,819 --> 01:15:44,362
Speaker 2: Superman.

1460
01:15:44,362 --> 01:15:44,842
Speaker 1: Superman next week.

1461
01:15:44,842 --> 01:15:46,546
We will cover it the following
week Super Ming, super Ming for

1462
01:15:46,586 --> 01:15:47,226
our next episode.

1463
01:15:47,226 --> 01:15:51,564
You will believe a man can fly
Right on him.

1464
01:15:51,564 --> 01:15:53,317
Bye.

1465
01:15:53,317 --> 01:15:54,180
Guys, bye.