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Speaker 1: Three centuries ago,
the first superpowered beings

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known as metahumans appeared on
Earth, ushering in a new age of

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gods and monsters.

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Three decades ago, an
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in a spacecraft to Earth and
adopted by Kansas farmers.

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Three years ago, the baby, now
grown, announced himself as

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Dakota, the first host of
Project Ecology, and I'm joined,

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as always, with the first host
of Project Ecology and I'm

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joined, as always, with Anthony.

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Speaker 2: You know I've been
spending some time at a

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convention in a galaxy with a
red sun, so you know I've just

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been having a good time.

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You know how?

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How about you?

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Uh, you know, let me send you
over to our third host.

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Speaker 3: Rich.

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I've been just basically
working photography for a little

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bit lately and I have been,
just, you know, dating all the

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girls because I'm a human, but I
do work at a newspaper.

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That's what I've been doing
over the last couple of weeks,

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since you guys haven't heard us.

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Speaker 1: That's how you get
the girls.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Guys, we are covering
Superman today, the 2025 film

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by James Gunn.

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It's the start of the DCU on
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Obviously, creature Commandos
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or earlier this year, I forget,
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So this is the first time that
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universe on screen, or semi-new,
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, yeah, I'm excited to dive into
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Anthony, you said this was
episode 126 of Project Ecology.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations,
folks.

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You're witnessing in real time
episode 126 of Project Ecology,

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but not in real time because
we're recording this earlier,

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guys, before we talk about
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all kind of really jazzed about,
and I think there's a definite

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vibe shift in the conversation
so far, and I think it's because

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we're all hopped up on coffee
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this is
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today is recording a podcast.

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We haven't done a morning
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Speaker 1: I think this is the
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Speaker 3: Yep 100%.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys.

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Yeah, so we have a lot to catch
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for a couple weeks as a team.

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I know, anthony, you released
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week, so, guys, check that out,
if you haven't already.

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A deep dive into the early
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became what it is today it's
crunchy it's, it's crunchy.

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Yeah, yes, yes, be sure to give
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when you get the chance.

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Anthony, what have you been up
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Speaker 2: well, the the reason
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actually recording on a sunday
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earlier in the week.

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record in the evenings, on uh,
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that I've been going to a
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I've been going to Supercon and,
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enjoying myself.

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a little bit more on that.

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You know I'm there with a press
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Thank you, fans of Project
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I would not be able to do it if
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But, yeah, no, man, that's
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after this.

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We're going to record this and
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Speaker 1: Man, All right, so
we're recording a super early

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podcast for Superman and then
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to go to Supercon.

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Yes, that's what I'm on this
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a super
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We'll have to touch, touch base
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see how super con is going rich.

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What do you, what have you been
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super break.

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house is kind of empty uh, but
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for my son, so I've been playing
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completionist stuff, so I went
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playing that a lot and I just
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It's one of my favorite games
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was on at first, or maybe it was
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You're basically yours.

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Uh, what's the same?

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Who's the guy who did the voice
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acting in star wars?

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motorcycle and you can upgrade
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If you guys haven't played it
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It is way worth it, because
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being MacGyver, like a MacGyver
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because you just have these
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talking like on the screen
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coming at you, like you'll see
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Speaker 2: Need for speed
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you might actually just kidding
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you gotta it was you gotta go
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you know all those zombie hordes
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Speaker 1: I, that actually does
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and, uh, I'm sure my, my wife,
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scary trailer for a movie, like
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eyes in a theater or else she'll
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I was the primary reason we
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I was not at my house.

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I was, um, in my second home
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I went to, uh, walt disney
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, like you know, doing a trip
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It's always fun going somewhere
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everything and showing other
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Rich, I'm sure you've brought a
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for the first time and like oh,
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Speaker 3: It's my favorite
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It's the best, it's the best.

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people is like one of like the
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that you can be a part of, that
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doing something as like big and
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the first time through someone
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this week because I need to talk
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Anthony, what are some of the
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What are some of the people
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Press pass, um, I want to hear
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What's going on over there?

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Speaker 2: well, with supercon,
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I want to like wait until you
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not, like there's, there was a
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You know, you know who's at
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Uh, josh holloway sawyer oh, I
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Oh, john boyega is actually here
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Was he at the last panel?

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Speaker 1: There's the voice
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yugioh we also have uh, they, he
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plays two different people in
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, okay okay,
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He's done a lot also, most
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Sanji from One Piece among like
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there's also a couple people
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You know I got a what's that?

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you know if you go if you go
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that we've covered.

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You know that that'll refresh
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Okay, I will but uh, but yeah,
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or as you would pronounce it in
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know, yeah, it's a good golden
but yeah, dude, and uh, I've

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just been, I've been trying to,
I've I've also kind of been like

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thinking of you know who I want
to cosplay next, like because

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you know I've done, I've done
obi-wan several times, but I

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want to do somebody from from
one piece, you know, and so I'm

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still trying to like figure that
stuff out.

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But yeah, man, it's, it's been
a good time.

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I definitely want to cover,
cover it, cover it.

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But you know, still in the
midst of it, you know I'm going

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to be heading back there after
after we're done recording,

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maybe not right away, you know,
but but I'll, I'll head there.

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I think they open up at 10.

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I'll probably get there,
probably by noon um how far is

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it?

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from you it's not terribly far,
depending on traffic, I mean

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today it should only take me.

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It should take me about like 45
minutes to get there and guys,

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it's only five miles away.

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Speaker 1: that's how, how bad
Miami traffic is.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dude Can
you imagine I'm kidding, it's a

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Miami beach.

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That's what makes it terrible.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible, yeah,
even on a Sunday.

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It's just Florida, man, it's
just so skinny.

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Speaker 2: There's only one road
that you can go on.

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Oh man, one of the very few
reasons why I go to Miami beach,

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miami beach, other than that I
don't, I'd never go there, dude,

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I went to a raising canes
yesterday and it was like

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literally a club.

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That's bizarre dude.

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It had a dj in there.

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I'm like I've never been to a
raising canes that had a dj in

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there.

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Like I'm like what is going on?

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But it made sense because it
was miami beach, so like I mean,

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you really don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that still
doesn't make sense, anthony,

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it's still.

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It't.

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Speaker 2: It's a racing game no
, no, no, dude, Like Miami Beach

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, they're extra.

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That's what.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: That's like thinking
chickens roaming around down in

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South Florida or you know it's.

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You know, rich, we have
chickens in South Florida like

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just roaming the streets and
peacocks and peacocks, yeah, and

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peacocks, and peacocks, yeah
and peacocks.

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Actually there's probably more
peacocks than there are chickens

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like dude.

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It's crazy, the the further you
go out like to like the, to like

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the red lit redlands slash like
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You start going towards, like
the everglades and stuff man.

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You like you see a lot of
peacocks, man them day and then

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them dang rich people bro,
they're bringing them peacocks

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over bro I don't know about that
, all that noise, but but the

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chickens are are definitely from
, like all the migrants yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Another.

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Another thing that's actually
like changed the ecosystem quite

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a bit in the past, like decade
or two, is like the iguana issue

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that you guys have in south
florida dude.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's the best
it's out of control it has given

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us so much joy to watch, like,
honestly, one of my charlie's

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favorite things to do when he
was, like I don't know, maybe it

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was during pandemic, right
during that, uh, that era he

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he's just loved watching videos
of iguanas falling off trees in

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florida yeah, yeah, because they
get so cold, they just they're

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literally.

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Speaker 1: Their body
temperature just drops to

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nothing and they just fall out
of trees and hit people.

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Speaker 2: I think it's sad to
say that Florida is the

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Australia of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Oh, 100%, oh yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

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let's cool it with the Florida
discussion, because Florida, I

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don't think, has anything to do
with the discussion at hand

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today oh, he doesn't visit in in
the movie.

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Speaker 2: What's the florida?

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Speaker 1: no, that was boravia
oh, I thought he had a south

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florida man oh, actually they do
visit florida, yeah, when they

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go into um that pocket universe
there's a lot of side.

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There's a lot of florida men in
this, in that pocket universe.

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Speaker 3: It was, it was yeah,
I mean, uh, peacekeeper's dad

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could be like a Florida man, I
okay.

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Speaker 1: I could believe it.

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All right, guys, let's talk
about Superman 2025, james Gunn

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Off the cuff.

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What are your first opinions?

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Like, dislike, ambivalent
Anthony.

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Let's start with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to
start on the cuff, you know.

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Speaker 3: Why was?

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Speaker 2: that so funny to me
Sorry.

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Speaker 1: We should do morning
shows more often coffee's like,

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actually like making this a lot
more fun you know, for for me, I

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was coming into it, you know,
cautious, cautiously optimistic.

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Speaker 2: You know I wasn't too
sure.

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I felt like the, the, I felt
like the trailers weren't really

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like.

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I guess the trailers didn't
really do the movie justice.

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But you know, I started to see
the reviews come in.

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I was like okay, so it must be
like pretty, pretty decent.

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But yeah, I mean so so far.

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Or, you know, like my, my, my
thoughts, like after the movie

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was like you know, that was
surprisingly better than I

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expected.

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You know it, it, you know a lot
of, I mean you.

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You also hear, like a lot of
people which you know, for me,

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like I don't care what, like, if
I enjoy something, I enjoy

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something.

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But you know, I think that that
was like the same case for a

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lot of people.

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A lot of people are like, ah,
this movie, I don't think it's

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gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: And then, like you
know, they leave thinking like,

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oh, wow, this was actually good
yeah, I think um know, just

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jumping off of what you just
said there a lot of people going

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into this film are looking at
the trailers, looking at the

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promotional material, looking at
the tone of the film.

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There's a lot going on.

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There's a lot that happens in
this film and from an outsider

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looking in it doesn't look like
it will all cohesively mix, but

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we'll talk about whether or not
it works in a little bit Rich.

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What are your initial thoughts?

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Speaker 3: I really liked it.

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I had moments of like F yeah,
man, that's Superman.

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There were those moments where
I kind of I think my heart

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jumped a little bit.

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I was like, oh, that's Superman
.

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Speaker 1: You know and.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Smallville guy.

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I mean I didn't really get into
the DCEU much, I watched a

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couple of them and whatever.

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But I was a big Smallville guy,
like really into it.

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I also watched Lois and Clark.

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I really loved, kind of really
loved that show just because it

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was like superman content and I
downloaded it.

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Yeah, I really like this movie.

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And then, you know, this kind
of forced me and we'll talk

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about it later.

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But I went back and, as I often
do, I get into my my content,

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uh, like world spirals, yeah
spirals.

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So I, you know, I immediately
went home and you started

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watching, you know, started
watching tons of dc content, uh,

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but, you know, after watching a
number of those movies, I like

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a lot about this.

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I like the colors, um, and this
is even something that my you

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know, my wife's complained about
.

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But just the darkness that we
have so many of these movies in.

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You know, part of comic books
for me is the color, is the

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brightness right is that they
kind of look ridiculous in their

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costumes.

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So I love so much about this,
and that's not even talking

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about the dog, yet that changes
everything yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna they were
probably I think originally the

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dceu was probably trying to tap
into like the edginess of marvel

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, but that only works for marvel
.

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You know that's not dc.

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I mean dc can get dark, you
know.

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I mean as as we've seen with
the batman, but I mean superman.

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Come on, dude, superman is like
mostly bright colors.

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I do.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the
dc universe is slightly more

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mature, leaning than marvel's um
output.

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Marvel can get dark and dc
definitely can get dark, or is

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dark.

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You know, like the, the entire
backbone of their mythos.

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Uh, there's a whole city that's
only ever like shown in

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darkness.

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You know, like you never see
Gotham during the daytime, it's

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never, yeah, never, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always thought that
was like funny, uh, but well, I

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mean.

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But but also, like you know, I
always saw like, yeah, you know,

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I always saw like, yeah, you
know, like marvel was, you know,

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it was like the, the teenager
of comics, you know, whereas dc

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was like you know, your your
grandfather's comics, you know

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it's that, that's like the okay,
older, you know yeah, like you

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said, there's a lot of there's a
lot of truth to that.

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It is like more mature, but then
the colors are like Rich said,

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it's brighter.

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And they tried to get visually
dark with the DCEU and it just

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didn't work, man, I mean along
with the writing, but they

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really brightened up the
Superman and it worked.

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And I'm going to be honest with
you.

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And I'm going to be honest with
you, like, I really do think

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that that Henry Cavill was a
fantastic Superman, but he just

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like he didn't have good writers
for him.

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And if he had really good
writers, I think he would have

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knocked it out of the park bro.

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Speaker 3: But it's
heartbreaking for him, to be

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honest, Like that's the one
thing that I take away from,

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like my, my deep dive not super
deep dive, but my, you know,

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going back and watching a lot of
the movies was man Like he was.

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He was so good and it's just so
dealt with beforehand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's a shame that
he you know he's not on this.

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He's obviously.

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He made the decision to pull
himself out of witcher because

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he did.

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He disagreed with the content,
but he's just like such a

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consummate professional that
really deep dives into these

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things that it's a shame that
he's not.

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And he's a fan, he's obviously.

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Yeah, that's the big yeah, yeah
.

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Speaker 1: So I, I I'm in
agreement with you guys.

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I I also think that Henry
Cavill had what it took to be a

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great Superman, and in many ways
he was a great Superman in a

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world where he wasn't written
very well or he wasn't written

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like superman.

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You know, he wasn't written.

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Um, I think the the worst thing
about, uh, man of steel and

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batman versus superman,
everything is that I never

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bought his interpretation of
clark kent.

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You know it didn't ever feel
like clark to me.

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He's not bumbling enough not
bumbling enough, too much aura

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farming, not giddy enough, you
know, and we got that with this

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film and I'm excited to to jump
into that and again, I, I like

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henry cavill as an actor.

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Um, I like his uh look for
superman and I wish that he had

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better material to work with.

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And that's not to say that this
film is necessarily like top

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tier material always.

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You know it's quite goofy in
some places and we'll discuss

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that.

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But I just, like Rich said,
this is Superman watching this

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and you know the smile you get
at certain scenes, the

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heart-rending moments that you
get just from him saying

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something nice is superman to to
like the core.

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And we're also smallville.

461
00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:17,372
Uh, anthony and I grew up on
smallville.

462
00:22:17,372 --> 00:22:17,973
Like there were.

463
00:22:17,973 --> 00:22:21,865
There were many a weekend where
, like, we would just have the

464
00:22:21,984 --> 00:22:25,593
dvd box set of small Season 3,
and I'd go to his grandma's

465
00:22:25,613 --> 00:22:27,796
house and we'd just watch
episode after episode of

466
00:22:28,038 --> 00:22:28,339
Smallville.

467
00:22:28,339 --> 00:22:35,285
So we were in that age range
for that we were binging before

468
00:22:35,365 --> 00:22:36,167
Netflix man.

469
00:22:36,819 --> 00:22:41,740
I always say that Superman is,
smallville specifically, and

470
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:46,530
Kingdom Hearts are my benchmarks
for the content that I realized

471
00:22:46,530 --> 00:22:47,772
would make me a good human.

472
00:22:47,772 --> 00:22:52,249
Kingdom Hearts is all about
friendship and Smallville is all

473
00:22:52,249 --> 00:22:58,346
about humility, and that's kind
of the two benchmarks that I've

474
00:22:58,346 --> 00:23:02,952
taken throughout my life about
what I want to emulate from

475
00:23:03,634 --> 00:23:04,536
content that I consume.

476
00:23:04,536 --> 00:23:06,647
But let's jump into Superman.

477
00:23:06,647 --> 00:23:08,925
I haven't given my opinion yet.

478
00:23:08,925 --> 00:23:09,648
I really liked it.

479
00:23:09,648 --> 00:23:12,569
I think this is a really fun
film.

480
00:23:12,569 --> 00:23:14,006
It's not perfect.

481
00:23:14,006 --> 00:23:17,529
There are some things that I'm
still trying to grapple with,

482
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:24,073
but I really, as a timeline guy,
I like and dislike certain

483
00:23:24,093 --> 00:23:24,272
things.

484
00:23:24,272 --> 00:23:27,907
I love that we start the film
with a timeline, a literal

485
00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:31,766
timeline, as I started this
podcast with Three centuries ago

486
00:23:31,766 --> 00:23:35,950
, metahumans Three decades ago,
clark Santa Earth or Kala Santa

487
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:36,151
Earth.

488
00:23:36,151 --> 00:23:40,541
Three years ago he announces
himself as Superman and actually

489
00:23:40,541 --> 00:23:41,326
I read the book.

490
00:23:41,326 --> 00:23:46,884
It's a tie-in book called
Superman Welcome to Metropolis

491
00:23:46,983 --> 00:23:51,227
and it's actually him and his
first week as announcing himself

492
00:23:51,227 --> 00:23:55,289
as Superman in the DCU and it's
fun.

493
00:23:55,289 --> 00:24:02,174
It's a junior novel, so it's
very childish, but it's a fun

494
00:24:02,214 --> 00:24:08,627
look at the early Superman in
this world, so that is fun.

495
00:24:08,627 --> 00:24:13,509
But yeah, as we go on we find
that Superman first started

496
00:24:13,548 --> 00:24:15,794
dating Lois three months ago.

497
00:24:15,794 --> 00:24:19,628
Then three weeks ago he stopped
Baravia from invading Jarhampur

498
00:24:19,628 --> 00:24:19,628
.

499
00:24:19,628 --> 00:24:21,794
Three days ago, blah, blah,
blah.

500
00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:21,446
There's a lot of threes,
there's a lot of threes.

501
00:24:21,446 --> 00:24:22,228
Three days ago, blah, blah,
blah.

502
00:24:22,228 --> 00:24:24,108
There's a lot of threes,
there's a lot of threes.

503
00:24:24,108 --> 00:24:27,230
And it's gotten me thinking
that I have to kind of make a

504
00:24:27,372 --> 00:24:29,993
breakdown of this in like a
YouTube video.

505
00:24:29,993 --> 00:24:31,355
So I started writing a YouTube
video.

506
00:24:31,355 --> 00:24:35,077
I haven't finished writing it,
but I might make it into a video

507
00:24:35,077 --> 00:24:35,077
.

508
00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:40,483
I'm still determining whether or
not the script has like enough

509
00:24:40,503 --> 00:24:42,107
weight to it, but it is
interesting because there's a

510
00:24:42,248 --> 00:24:44,855
lot of symbolic three stuff
happening here.

511
00:24:44,855 --> 00:24:46,123
Because there's a lot of
symbolic three stuff happening

512
00:24:46,163 --> 00:24:46,262
here.

513
00:24:46,262 --> 00:24:49,371
You think of Superman's classic
quote truth, justice in the

514
00:24:49,411 --> 00:24:50,032
American way.

515
00:24:50,032 --> 00:24:51,786
That's a set of three.

516
00:24:51,786 --> 00:24:56,691
You have him wearing three
primary colors on his uniform

517
00:24:57,011 --> 00:24:57,712
blue, red and yellow.

518
00:24:58,861 --> 00:25:04,432
There's a bunch of almost like
trinity aspects to the character

519
00:25:04,432 --> 00:25:04,853
as well.

520
00:25:04,853 --> 00:25:08,182
You could look at it a certain
number of ways.

521
00:25:08,182 --> 00:25:11,832
You can look at it as like his
father, his mother and and him

522
00:25:11,892 --> 00:25:14,426
as a son, like uh on on krypton.

523
00:25:14,426 --> 00:25:17,596
You can look at it as pocket
mock hands and superman, or like

524
00:25:17,596 --> 00:25:17,917
clark.

525
00:25:17,917 --> 00:25:20,826
You could also look at it as
like the father, the son and the

526
00:25:20,826 --> 00:25:21,528
yellow star.

527
00:25:22,009 --> 00:25:24,061
You know like there's a lot, the
yellow star being the holy

528
00:25:24,082 --> 00:25:29,329
trinity or, um, the holy spirit
rather, and it's there's a lot

529
00:25:29,369 --> 00:25:33,622
of threes in the superman mythos
and you know, a lot of times

530
00:25:33,923 --> 00:25:39,935
that translates to like a very
like divinely inspired number,

531
00:25:40,678 --> 00:25:43,663
and also the fact that this film
takes place over seven days,

532
00:25:43,742 --> 00:25:48,811
and seven, symbolically, is a
sense of completeness, you know,

533
00:25:48,811 --> 00:25:50,974
like a perfect completeness.

534
00:25:50,974 --> 00:25:55,886
So I think there's a lot going
into the background of this

535
00:25:56,086 --> 00:26:00,974
character that, numerologically,
is really cool and well thought

536
00:26:00,974 --> 00:26:04,807
out, unless I'm just seeing
patterns and things that aren't

537
00:26:04,868 --> 00:26:05,309
actually there.

538
00:26:05,309 --> 00:26:09,740
Um, but yeah, as as a timeline
guy, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking

539
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:13,650
about all these things as
something that is very well

540
00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:17,605
thought out, well-intentioned,
and I'm excited to explore that

541
00:26:17,705 --> 00:26:17,967
more.

542
00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:21,564
Sorry, timeline tangent over,
you guys can talk about Superman

543
00:26:21,564 --> 00:26:21,564
.

544
00:26:21,964 --> 00:26:25,661
Speaker 2: Matt, what was it
tangent over?

545
00:26:25,661 --> 00:26:27,105
You guys can talk about
superman now man, was it?

546
00:26:27,105 --> 00:26:27,385
You know?

547
00:26:27,385 --> 00:26:29,751
Guys just just know that
dakota's a little biased because

548
00:26:29,751 --> 00:26:30,493
you know superman is his
favorite.

549
00:26:30,513 --> 00:26:31,195
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, I would.

550
00:26:31,195 --> 00:26:34,865
I would say superman is in my
top five fictional characters of

551
00:26:34,865 --> 00:26:35,247
all time.

552
00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:38,132
Speaker 2: But how about in dc,
number one?

553
00:26:38,132 --> 00:26:44,743
Yes yeah, yes, yeah, I figured,
but uh, you know, I I like.

554
00:26:44,743 --> 00:26:49,547
So you brought up Ma and Pa
Kent and I'm going to be honest

555
00:26:49,586 --> 00:26:49,866
with you.

556
00:26:49,866 --> 00:26:53,269
I really liked their casting
because they made sense for a

557
00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:57,692
Kansas, like a parent kind of
like you would believe that

558
00:26:57,791 --> 00:26:58,291
they're farmers.

559
00:26:58,291 --> 00:27:09,267
You know, they had that look.

560
00:27:09,267 --> 00:27:12,189
That was immediately what
popped up in my head.

561
00:27:12,189 --> 00:27:16,667
They had, like, this sense of
homeliness that you would only

562
00:27:16,708 --> 00:27:20,413
really get like, maybe in the
south, or like the Midwest, you

563
00:27:20,433 --> 00:27:20,555
know.

564
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,483
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless I visit
a Cracker Barrel, I'm not

565
00:27:23,523 --> 00:27:26,961
experiencing that, you know yeah
, I mean, like kevin costner

566
00:27:26,981 --> 00:27:29,269
just felt like a guy who danced
with wolves, like he didn't feel

567
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:32,023
like a farmer, you know and
then definitely dance with

568
00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:36,873
wolves and and then, you know,
uh, jonathan snyder felt more

569
00:27:36,932 --> 00:27:41,765
like a, you know, he was more
like a duke, you know uh, yeah,

570
00:27:41,805 --> 00:27:43,626
he was very hazardous.

571
00:27:43,847 --> 00:27:50,776
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, um sorry
old guy reference I'm so happy.

572
00:27:50,855 --> 00:27:56,910
Speaker 2: I'm like yes um yeah,
both of them in smallville.

573
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:59,934
They definitely like, they were
definitely like.

574
00:27:59,934 --> 00:28:01,041
You know more.

575
00:28:01,041 --> 00:28:04,309
I mean, it was for for a kid,
kid, it was like whatever, and

576
00:28:04,329 --> 00:28:05,313
still like as a show.

577
00:28:05,313 --> 00:28:09,509
Like you know, I can I can
suspend that disbelief, but I

578
00:28:09,589 --> 00:28:10,632
was believing that.

579
00:28:10,632 --> 00:28:13,887
I was thinking that, like, out
of all the Superman material

580
00:28:13,907 --> 00:28:17,123
that I've seen, these are like
the most believable parents that

581
00:28:17,123 --> 00:28:17,804
we have gotten.

582
00:28:18,144 --> 00:28:19,307
Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I.

583
00:28:19,307 --> 00:28:22,693
I don't know if it's like the
most believable like when it

584
00:28:22,733 --> 00:28:25,779
comes to you picturing kansas
farmers.

585
00:28:25,779 --> 00:28:29,928
You know not that they need to
be like unattractive or

586
00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,614
extremely homely, but they felt
right at home.

587
00:28:32,614 --> 00:28:34,105
You know, like you did not.

588
00:28:34,105 --> 00:28:38,198
There was no, it was as humble
of origins as you could possibly

589
00:28:38,198 --> 00:28:39,461
expect from clark.

590
00:28:39,461 --> 00:28:42,508
You know they weren't overly
attractive individuals, but they

591
00:28:42,508 --> 00:28:46,049
were good people and that's
exactly what superman needs in

592
00:28:45,997 --> 00:28:47,074
this, in any mythos you know
like he needs, but they were

593
00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:47,986
good people and that's exactly
what Superman needs in any

594
00:28:47,932 --> 00:28:48,053
mythos.

595
00:28:48,053 --> 00:28:51,076
He needs to be raised by good
people to make the decisions

596
00:28:51,195 --> 00:28:52,616
that he ultimately needs to make
.

597
00:28:52,616 --> 00:28:56,607
Speaking of decisions that he
needs to make, I think we should

598
00:28:56,607 --> 00:28:57,631
go into.

599
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:01,169
I'm going to put a spoiler
warning from here on out.

600
00:29:01,169 --> 00:29:06,392
If you haven't seen Superman, I
going to uh talk about some

601
00:29:06,612 --> 00:29:10,255
spoilery stuff that you won't
have received in the trailers.

602
00:29:10,255 --> 00:29:12,121
So if you haven't seen it
already, please go check the

603
00:29:12,162 --> 00:29:14,566
movie out before uh going
forward.

604
00:29:14,566 --> 00:29:21,542
Uh, we have the message from uh
jor-el and his uh and his

605
00:29:21,583 --> 00:29:26,167
mother and uh, the first half of
the movie is interesting

606
00:29:26,228 --> 00:29:29,111
because we only get the first
half of the message, where he

607
00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:32,114
basically tells Kal-El to.

608
00:29:32,193 --> 00:29:37,482
He's sending you down to Earth
to do good, and that seems to

609
00:29:37,563 --> 00:29:42,672
jive well with the way he was
raised in Kansas, in Smallville.

610
00:29:42,672 --> 00:29:49,819
That's normal way.

611
00:29:49,819 --> 00:29:51,163
He was raised in Kansas, in
Smallville, that's normal.

612
00:29:51,163 --> 00:29:52,585
We've always had Jor-El give a
positive, or mostly positive,

613
00:29:52,705 --> 00:29:54,429
message about his purpose in
life.

614
00:29:54,429 --> 00:30:00,425
But then later on we find the
second half of the recording

615
00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:06,461
made by his parents on Krypton
is not very PC, it's not very

616
00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:12,141
politically correct for the 21st
century on planet Earth and

617
00:30:12,161 --> 00:30:16,851
it's actually becomes quite a
detriment to him and his mental

618
00:30:16,891 --> 00:30:17,913
well-being throughout the film.

619
00:30:17,913 --> 00:30:20,469
What are, what are your
thoughts on this guys?

620
00:30:23,123 --> 00:30:24,967
Speaker 3: I mean all right.

621
00:30:24,967 --> 00:30:30,179
So like when the, the, when the
message gets unscrambled, right

622
00:30:30,179 --> 00:30:34,651
and we get the second half of
it, the fact that, like so many

623
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:39,182
people, right after he's been
because, remember, he's been

624
00:30:39,282 --> 00:30:42,790
doing this stuff for a while,
right, he's been helping people

625
00:30:42,851 --> 00:30:45,279
for a while, right, the whole
world knows him as a helper yeah

626
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,949
, yeah, you get the message and
then, like a guy, just like the

627
00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:52,063
minute it comes out, like he has
just finished helping people

628
00:30:52,223 --> 00:30:55,932
and then, like somebody just
chucks like a can at his head

629
00:30:56,472 --> 00:31:00,228
and it's like are you, I don't
know man, maybe this is like my

630
00:31:00,288 --> 00:31:04,183
mets fandom, but like I, I don't
give up on someone, like in two

631
00:31:04,183 --> 00:31:07,383
seconds, like he had done
nothing to prove that that's

632
00:31:07,403 --> 00:31:08,605
what he was trying to do.

633
00:31:08,605 --> 00:31:13,623
And and maybe this is like, uh,
in terms of timeline, right,

634
00:31:14,325 --> 00:31:18,336
like for me, or pacing, like it
just made little sense to me

635
00:31:18,375 --> 00:31:21,865
that so many people turned on
him so quickly.

636
00:31:21,865 --> 00:31:26,857
When we literally have like
video evidence of people in

637
00:31:26,917 --> 00:31:31,070
power saying things and everyone
in, like our country, goes, I

638
00:31:31,111 --> 00:31:32,115
mean, who cares?

639
00:31:32,115 --> 00:31:34,602
Right, and like that's the
actual person saying it.

640
00:31:34,682 --> 00:31:39,671
This is his parents telling him
to do a thing that he hasn't

641
00:31:39,971 --> 00:31:44,507
demonstrably done, right, so for
so many to turn on him so

642
00:31:44,567 --> 00:31:47,313
quickly was a little bit even
like.

643
00:31:47,313 --> 00:31:49,526
You know like little they
showed, like little kids crying

644
00:31:49,546 --> 00:31:51,260
when they heard it like, or a
little kid like looking at his

645
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:52,663
mom like what now?

646
00:31:52,663 --> 00:31:55,671
And it's like if I were a
parent I'd be like what has he

647
00:31:55,731 --> 00:31:56,780
done to do that like?

648
00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:57,181
I don't know?

649
00:31:57,181 --> 00:31:58,403
Maybe it's the english teacher
in me.

650
00:31:58,403 --> 00:32:03,111
Show me the evidence that I
should now hate this man who has

651
00:32:03,111 --> 00:32:05,734
saved our lives countless times
.

652
00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:11,461
Speaker 2: Well, I think that
it's a mix of you know, because

653
00:32:11,481 --> 00:32:15,824
they have had a voice in their
ear pretty much like saying like

654
00:32:15,824 --> 00:32:19,384
you know, this is an alien, he
doesn't belong to be, you know

655
00:32:19,445 --> 00:32:22,446
he doesn't belong here, you know
he's going to be a danger.

656
00:32:22,446 --> 00:32:27,990
And so, like, pretty much, when
there was like an evidence of

657
00:32:28,050 --> 00:32:31,226
that like you know, like not
evidence that he was going to do

658
00:32:31,226 --> 00:32:36,263
something bad, but like pretty
much like a way of proof that

659
00:32:36,765 --> 00:32:40,792
you know that, like you know, he
wasn't originally there for

660
00:32:40,952 --> 00:32:45,382
good intention, you know, even
though, even though Clark you

661
00:32:45,402 --> 00:32:50,848
know this was news to him also,
it's not Like to me it wasn't

662
00:32:51,089 --> 00:32:52,994
out of the realm of like
possibility.

663
00:32:53,035 --> 00:32:56,260
I mean, sure I don't think that
everybody would turn on him

664
00:32:56,362 --> 00:33:00,797
right away, Like, but I would
say that, like, if you do have

665
00:33:01,057 --> 00:33:04,428
somebody that's been in your ear
saying something over and over

666
00:33:04,587 --> 00:33:07,825
and then as soon as, like, what
they've been saying has kind of

667
00:33:07,845 --> 00:33:11,117
been proven, then it'd be like,
oh dang, he's actually been

668
00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:13,306
saying the truth this whole time
.

669
00:33:13,306 --> 00:33:22,086
You know, and you know, and you
know that being Lex Luthor.

670
00:33:22,106 --> 00:33:23,191
Speaker 1: And jumping on what
you just said, Anthony, like

671
00:33:23,211 --> 00:33:24,635
yeah, you've had Lex Luthor for
the past three years telling the

672
00:33:24,635 --> 00:33:26,060
world not to trust this alien.

673
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:28,846
You know, he's come out, he's
honest about being not from

674
00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:34,074
Earth and just three weeks ago
you have Superman.

675
00:33:34,074 --> 00:33:38,419
You know, in his mind and in
reality he's stopping a war

676
00:33:38,439 --> 00:33:42,913
between two countries, but he's
going against, going against an

677
00:33:43,074 --> 00:33:44,257
ally of the United States.

678
00:33:44,257 --> 00:33:48,296
He's essentially stopping an
ally from exerting their

679
00:33:48,356 --> 00:33:51,085
sovereign right to do whatever
the heck they were doing.

680
00:33:51,085 --> 00:33:55,904
I don't fully understand the uh
geopolitical context of the

681
00:33:55,944 --> 00:33:56,185
film.

682
00:33:56,226 --> 00:34:00,713
Speaker 3: besides, you know,
boravia was uh, I think there's

683
00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:05,511
some pretty pretty easy modern
day conflict, oh yeah okay, so

684
00:34:05,571 --> 00:34:07,157
like, let's, let's just get that
out of the way.

685
00:34:07,539 --> 00:34:10,166
Speaker 1: We have, uh, several
wars going on in the world right

686
00:34:10,166 --> 00:34:12,731
now and I think it's a mix of a
bunch of them.

687
00:34:12,911 --> 00:34:16,797
You know, like you have the
Eastern European influence of,

688
00:34:17,036 --> 00:34:20,327
you know like, the Russian
language and the Russian like

689
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:25,900
lexicon being used in almost
like I think the more obvious

690
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,867
parallel would be like the
Israel and Palestine conflict

691
00:34:29,907 --> 00:34:36,257
going on, but we also have the
russia ukraine conflict and I

692
00:34:36,338 --> 00:34:41,333
feel like boravia and jarhampur
are kind of mashed into both of

693
00:34:41,373 --> 00:34:45,306
those conflicts together and I
think that was the intent by gun

694
00:34:45,306 --> 00:34:47,628
and company to, you know, get
that across.

695
00:34:47,628 --> 00:34:53,074
But uh, whatever your opinions
of what's going on in the world,

696
00:34:53,074 --> 00:34:59,302
in this universe, superman
wanted to stop a war.

697
00:34:59,302 --> 00:35:02,871
He wanted to stop people from
dying and he did so without

698
00:35:02,992 --> 00:35:05,324
killing anyone on either side,
which is notable.

699
00:35:05,324 --> 00:35:10,217
He did give the president of
Baravia a hard time, apparently

700
00:35:11,146 --> 00:35:16,686
Put him up against a cactus,
made him pee himself time,

701
00:35:16,706 --> 00:35:18,452
apparently put him, put him up
against a cactus, made him pee

702
00:35:18,472 --> 00:35:19,757
himself, um, which is really,
really funny, because I I really

703
00:35:19,757 --> 00:35:21,583
like the actor who played, uh,
like the the leader, for that.

704
00:35:21,603 --> 00:35:25,594
I thought he was just a very
funny guy yeah um, but this

705
00:35:25,956 --> 00:35:31,349
caused a moral dilemma, a moral
dilemma within the rest of this

706
00:35:31,429 --> 00:35:35,396
world, you know like, are his
actions sanctioned by any

707
00:35:35,536 --> 00:35:37,568
country or is he just working by
himself?

708
00:35:37,568 --> 00:35:39,815
And this became an issue
politically.

709
00:35:39,815 --> 00:35:44,289
And when you get into political
issues, even if you're

710
00:35:44,769 --> 00:35:48,177
technically, by all rights on
paper, on the right side of

711
00:35:48,197 --> 00:35:51,349
history or on the right side of
you know, doing the morally

712
00:35:51,369 --> 00:35:56,398
right, right thing, if you are
opposing the political opinion

713
00:35:56,659 --> 00:35:59,452
of, say, half the country, you
are now a bad guy.

714
00:35:59,452 --> 00:36:00,817
You are now a bad man.

715
00:36:00,817 --> 00:36:03,786
Um, you should keep your
political opinions to yourself.

716
00:36:03,786 --> 00:36:08,775
So, um, and I think that's
where the issue kind of stemmed

717
00:36:08,855 --> 00:36:09,076
from.

718
00:36:09,076 --> 00:36:12,869
And then adding, on top of, you
know, the fact that he's an,

719
00:36:12,989 --> 00:36:18,378
now he has potential cause to
basically take whatever he wants

720
00:36:18,378 --> 00:36:21,833
, take as many women as he wants
, into his harem, which I

721
00:36:21,873 --> 00:36:22,657
thought was very funny.

722
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:27,827
Speaker 3: And repopulate
Krypton Like Jimmy Olsen would

723
00:36:27,847 --> 00:36:28,652
have been a better choice.

724
00:36:28,652 --> 00:36:29,909
Jimmy would have.

725
00:36:30,806 --> 00:36:33,628
Speaker 1: Jimmy probably
already has, you know, he

726
00:36:33,648 --> 00:36:38,710
definitely already has his own
little harem yeah so, anyway,

727
00:36:38,851 --> 00:36:43,777
what are, what are your thoughts
on the change of, uh, the

728
00:36:43,838 --> 00:36:45,686
messaging, because I know a lot
of people hate it.

729
00:36:46,045 --> 00:36:51,853
I know a lot of people think
that that changes the perceived

730
00:36:52,173 --> 00:36:56,900
like messianic um intent of the
superman character as it's been

731
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,208
portrayed in like many films,
many shows.

732
00:36:59,208 --> 00:37:02,117
Um, you know, he's always been
this savior figure, but if

733
00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:05,090
you're, if you're being sent to
do evil, you're not really a

734
00:37:05,152 --> 00:37:08,887
savior figure unless you choose
to do so, and that I think that

735
00:37:09,007 --> 00:37:11,793
that's what is like the deciding
factor about this movie.

736
00:37:11,793 --> 00:37:12,494
It's about choice.

737
00:37:12,494 --> 00:37:16,246
You know, um, but I feel like a
lot of people are that I think

738
00:37:16,288 --> 00:37:18,192
we're because of smallville.

739
00:37:18,652 --> 00:37:21,438
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it,
that was like very much show,

740
00:37:21,538 --> 00:37:25,552
like something that was pushed
by jor-el in smallville, you

741
00:37:25,592 --> 00:37:30,447
know, and naturally clark fought
against it, but you know, this

742
00:37:30,527 --> 00:37:34,456
was something that he knew
earlier on in the show.

743
00:37:34,456 --> 00:37:38,387
You know, he was still young
when he found this stuff out,

744
00:37:38,407 --> 00:37:40,692
but it wasn't, I think, because
of Smallville.

745
00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:45,119
It really like broke that mold
of that kind of character,

746
00:37:45,164 --> 00:37:50,657
because he obviously made many
mistakes in that show and yeah.

747
00:37:50,737 --> 00:37:57,507
At least one a week, and then
you know, yeah, you know, do you

748
00:37:57,507 --> 00:37:58,708
have any red kryptonite?

749
00:37:58,708 --> 00:38:01,596
You know that was the best.

750
00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:04,007
Speaker 1: But yeah, no,
definitely I love the red

751
00:38:04,027 --> 00:38:04,429
kryptonite.

752
00:38:04,429 --> 00:38:07,172
Oh my God, they're so fun.

753
00:38:07,172 --> 00:38:13,617
As soon as you see him in like
a leather jacket, you're like oh

754
00:38:13,617 --> 00:38:14,259
, bad boy.

755
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:16,512
Oh he's on that red kryptonite.

756
00:38:16,512 --> 00:38:19,373
Oh man, he's pulling up in a
Harley.

757
00:38:21,125 --> 00:38:24,251
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think
because of Smallville, that's

758
00:38:24,291 --> 00:38:29,690
just something that I grew up
being used to Him being somebody

759
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:33,865
that had to learn a lot and
making a lot of mistakes and,

760
00:38:33,925 --> 00:38:37,934
yeah, him being sent not for
such a great reason.

761
00:38:38,376 --> 00:38:41,813
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it
paved the way for you.

762
00:38:41,813 --> 00:38:44,190
It makes more sense.

763
00:38:46,588 --> 00:38:50,132
Speaker 3: It makes way more
sense that a planet who was

764
00:38:50,431 --> 00:38:57,360
about to be extinct sent out a
child to repopulate their

765
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,733
culture and their race right,
rather than, oh no, our planet's

766
00:39:01,733 --> 00:39:02,193
dying.

767
00:39:02,193 --> 00:39:03,137
You know what we should do?

768
00:39:03,137 --> 00:39:07,586
We should send clark or we
should send kal-el to to this

769
00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:08,768
planet to save them.

770
00:39:08,768 --> 00:39:09,809
Right, like what?

771
00:39:09,809 --> 00:39:10,771
Uh that?

772
00:39:10,771 --> 00:39:15,717
Like like in terms of how you
would think a world ending would

773
00:39:15,717 --> 00:39:19,289
try to repopulate or whatever
property.

774
00:39:19,289 --> 00:39:20,193
I agree with that.

775
00:39:20,193 --> 00:39:21,840
I do agree with that yeah, no,
I.

776
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,465
Speaker 1: I think that that's
actually a really good point.

777
00:39:23,465 --> 00:39:28,795
Um it, it's a seemingly normal
message from a dying race to

778
00:39:29,717 --> 00:39:31,567
their progeny to live on.

779
00:39:31,567 --> 00:39:35,257
You know, like, do whatever you
can to keep this race alive.

780
00:39:35,257 --> 00:39:38,693
Now a lot of people are saying
that like the message was like,

781
00:39:38,833 --> 00:39:43,172
destroy the world and, you know,
be a horrible person.

782
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:45,719
I don't think they actually
said that.

783
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,547
No, it does sound that way
Because it just says, like you

784
00:39:49,586 --> 00:39:53,172
know, take as many women as you
want, and maybe in Krypton,

785
00:39:53,211 --> 00:39:54,012
that's, you know, it's.

786
00:39:54,012 --> 00:39:58,940
It's okay to be polygamous, you
can have multiple wives,

787
00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:59,619
whatever, I don't know.

788
00:39:59,619 --> 00:40:07,016
But on Earth that currently
isn't in vogue.

789
00:40:07,016 --> 00:40:09,949
Currently it was in the past, a
couple centuries ago, or I

790
00:40:09,969 --> 00:40:11,371
would say a couple millennia ago
.

791
00:40:11,371 --> 00:40:15,079
That would have been a real hit
message on planet Earth.

792
00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:28,634
Speaker 2: But Genghis Khan's
like yes, they rose a mug to him

793
00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:28,634
.

794
00:40:32,208 --> 00:40:33,009
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's move on
.

795
00:40:33,009 --> 00:40:38,416
I think we're all in agreement
that it was a shock to hear, but

796
00:40:38,416 --> 00:40:41,085
it's not the worst thing in the
world and it's not even the

797
00:40:41,126 --> 00:40:45,577
first time Superman has gotten
that message from his biological

798
00:40:45,577 --> 00:40:47,871
parents or a similar-ish
message.

799
00:40:47,871 --> 00:40:50,965
He wasn't entirely altruistic
in Smallville and everything,

800
00:40:52,751 --> 00:40:53,914
but we brought up Jimmy Olsen.

801
00:40:53,914 --> 00:40:56,552
We brought up Jimmy Olsen
before Lois Lane, let's talk

802
00:40:56,592 --> 00:40:56,773
about.

803
00:40:56,773 --> 00:40:58,077
We brought up jimmy olsen.

804
00:40:58,077 --> 00:40:59,760
We brought up jimmy olsen
before lois lane, let's talk

805
00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:00,222
about jimmy's harem.

806
00:41:00,242 --> 00:41:02,327
Speaker 2: Um what are we, what
are our thoughts on what I?

807
00:41:02,327 --> 00:41:07,135
Thought he was hilarious and
like this man had, like this

808
00:41:07,195 --> 00:41:12,329
dude had a a mole in like the
lex luther camp, like and and

809
00:41:12,369 --> 00:41:16,898
she was like just simping for
this man so my wife, uh, who's

810
00:41:16,985 --> 00:41:21,978
not, um, a major superman fan,
has barely watched any

811
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,867
smallville or anything like that
, maybe watched man of steel in

812
00:41:24,887 --> 00:41:25,206
the past.

813
00:41:25,969 --> 00:41:29,056
Speaker 1: She like turns to me
in the theater and goes so is

814
00:41:29,076 --> 00:41:31,228
this jimmy guy like always a
player?

815
00:41:31,527 --> 00:41:35,615
Speaker 2: and I'm, I'm thinking
to myself and I'm like no like

816
00:41:35,655 --> 00:41:41,632
he was like in the comics he was
like uh, superman's like nerdy,

817
00:41:41,632 --> 00:41:46,186
yeah, he's the nerdy co-worker
with uh with a camera, yeah but,

818
00:41:46,186 --> 00:41:50,755
uh, I, I liked it and he wasn't
was he a photographer in this

819
00:41:50,856 --> 00:41:50,956
one?

820
00:41:51,396 --> 00:41:53,206
Speaker 1: no, I mean he was,
but I just I.

821
00:41:53,648 --> 00:41:55,173
Speaker 3: He also wrote
articles.

822
00:41:55,173 --> 00:41:59,048
He also feels a little bit
older and I don't know if this

823
00:41:59,108 --> 00:41:59,731
is like for me.

824
00:41:59,731 --> 00:42:02,733
In my head Jimmy's always like
fairly younger, you know.

825
00:42:03,405 --> 00:42:06,974
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy's in
certain stories like the intern

826
00:42:06,994 --> 00:42:07,436
of the office.

827
00:42:07,456 --> 00:42:11,168
Speaker 3: Yes, so I was a
little bit, I was a little

828
00:42:11,228 --> 00:42:16,355
confused with that part, but I
think that the actor makes it

829
00:42:16,414 --> 00:42:16,635
work.

830
00:42:17,565 --> 00:42:21,615
Speaker 1: I love, his almost
like exasperated acceptance of

831
00:42:21,655 --> 00:42:25,474
his fate as someone who everyone
seems to love.

832
00:42:25,474 --> 00:42:27,911
It's funny.

833
00:42:27,911 --> 00:42:28,835
It's just funny.

834
00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:31,347
Speaker 3: The actor I think is
really good, and if it had been

835
00:42:31,407 --> 00:42:34,925
somebody else of a similar age I
think I don't know if I would

836
00:42:34,945 --> 00:42:38,614
have loved it, but I feel like
this guy played it off really

837
00:42:38,755 --> 00:42:39,014
well.

838
00:42:39,014 --> 00:42:39,836
There's something about this.

839
00:42:39,836 --> 00:42:42,050
I've seen him also in like the
righteous gemstones.

840
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:44,965
There's something about him
that, although he's a little bit

841
00:42:44,965 --> 00:42:51,673
older, does give off a kind of
youthful ignorance almost in

842
00:42:51,713 --> 00:42:55,699
certain areas that make him
makes him charming yeah exactly

843
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,577
yeah yeah, jimmy had a glow up
man rachel brosnahan as lois

844
00:43:00,637 --> 00:43:00,918
lane.

845
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,244
Speaker 1: I think that's
phenomenal casting.

846
00:43:03,244 --> 00:43:07,012
I think it might be the best
casting in the movie.

847
00:43:07,012 --> 00:43:11,786
Like I love david cornswet as
uh superman, I I love nicholas

848
00:43:11,806 --> 00:43:12,367
holt.

849
00:43:12,367 --> 00:43:15,315
I don't know if I love nich
Holt as Lex but I like him as

850
00:43:15,335 --> 00:43:15,416
Lex.

851
00:43:15,847 --> 00:43:16,612
Speaker 2: He did a good job.

852
00:43:16,652 --> 00:43:17,458
Speaker 1: He did a good job
yeah.

853
00:43:17,905 --> 00:43:22,672
Speaker 2: I think that he did a
lot better job than Jesse.

854
00:43:23,514 --> 00:43:25,436
Speaker 1: Eisenberg, oh yeah.

855
00:43:32,313 --> 00:43:34,237
Speaker 2: I think that the Lex
in this movie was a lot better.

856
00:43:34,945 --> 00:43:37,353
Speaker 1: I do prefer him to
Eisenberg.

857
00:43:37,353 --> 00:43:40,958
Yeah, I really think Rachel
Brosnahan is an absolutely

858
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,389
fantastic Lois Lane Just like
gets to the core of who the

859
00:43:45,409 --> 00:43:52,300
character is as this quippy and
no-nonsense reporter.

860
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,612
No-nonsense reporter, you know
like even in her personal life

861
00:43:56,693 --> 00:44:00,311
with Clark, who she's apparently
been dating for roughly three

862
00:44:00,351 --> 00:44:02,887
months now, she's probably known
that he's Superman for a little

863
00:44:02,887 --> 00:44:03,469
longer than that.

864
00:44:03,469 --> 00:44:09,576
She is willing to break
character so that she can go

865
00:44:09,617 --> 00:44:12,351
back into reporter mode and
maybe reporter mode is her

866
00:44:12,552 --> 00:44:13,233
natural state.

867
00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:14,514
You know, like for Superman,
his natural state.

868
00:44:14,514 --> 00:44:17,911
You know, like for for superman
, his, his natural state is

869
00:44:17,951 --> 00:44:18,331
superman.

870
00:44:18,331 --> 00:44:21,358
It's not clark kent, but for
lois lane her natural state is

871
00:44:21,485 --> 00:44:26,876
reporter, not, you know,
girlfriend and yeah I, I love, I

872
00:44:26,876 --> 00:44:28,561
love that dynamic that they
have.

873
00:44:28,621 --> 00:44:28,880
That.

874
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,530
That scene where they're
arguing while having that

875
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:33,936
interview is just magnetic.

876
00:44:33,936 --> 00:44:34,717
You're pulled.

877
00:44:34,717 --> 00:44:35,849
I've seen the movie twice now.

878
00:44:35,849 --> 00:44:39,146
I went to go see it again after
work one day and it's just.

879
00:44:39,146 --> 00:44:41,893
I love their chemistry.

880
00:44:41,893 --> 00:44:44,389
So so much it's.

881
00:44:44,389 --> 00:44:44,811
So.

882
00:44:44,811 --> 00:44:45,313
That's.

883
00:44:45,313 --> 00:44:49,079
My favorite part about this
movie is those two actors being

884
00:44:49,161 --> 00:44:51,331
on screen together, and I wish
they had more time on screen

885
00:44:51,351 --> 00:44:51,592
together.

886
00:44:51,592 --> 00:44:54,668
There's a lot of like Lois on
her own or Lois with a team of

887
00:44:54,708 --> 00:44:56,492
reporters with like behind her.

888
00:44:56,492 --> 00:44:59,748
I wish there was more lois and
clark, but, um, I'm glad we have

889
00:44:59,748 --> 00:45:00,769
that one scene.

890
00:45:00,789 --> 00:45:02,835
Speaker 3: That's just
absolutely phenomenal yeah, I

891
00:45:02,875 --> 00:45:03,315
think it was.

892
00:45:03,315 --> 00:45:07,432
I mean it actually like I, I
was like angry at her.

893
00:45:07,432 --> 00:45:10,224
I'm like that's your boyfriend,
like you know he's trying to

894
00:45:10,264 --> 00:45:14,373
save lives and she went like
full reporter, you know, before

895
00:45:14,414 --> 00:45:18,760
anything else, but she had to
and she said she, she gave him

896
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,788
that disclosure, like you know
this is what.

897
00:45:21,108 --> 00:45:24,838
Speaker 2: And he gave her and
he gave her the OK for it.

898
00:45:24,838 --> 00:45:26,427
Like you know he, he knew that.

899
00:45:26,427 --> 00:45:27,788
That you know it's.

900
00:45:27,788 --> 00:45:31,552
It's in those moments where you
know you can't let that bias

901
00:45:31,612 --> 00:45:34,215
you know it's like you, you know
you kind of have to get to the

902
00:45:34,255 --> 00:45:37,739
heart of it, otherwise it would
have been just another piece

903
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:39,460
that clark would have written.

904
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:40,447
You know that.

905
00:45:40,447 --> 00:45:42,811
That that's exactly like what.

906
00:45:42,811 --> 00:45:45,697
What you're asking for is
literally what clark was doing

907
00:45:45,757 --> 00:45:46,365
for himself.

908
00:45:46,365 --> 00:45:49,253
You know, interviewing himself
as superman.

909
00:45:49,773 --> 00:45:50,534
Speaker 1: I love that line.

910
00:45:50,534 --> 00:45:52,907
I love that line where she's
like oh so you, you've timed,

911
00:45:52,927 --> 00:45:55,010
timed your imaginary
conversations to yourself.

912
00:45:58,677 --> 00:46:01,949
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm
just saying if Dakota and I were

913
00:46:01,949 --> 00:46:06,976
reporters, you know, and our
significant others were these

914
00:46:07,197 --> 00:46:12,052
super beings trying to do good
in the world, and we interviewed

915
00:46:12,052 --> 00:46:14,210
that hard, I think we'd be
sleeping on the couch for a

916
00:46:14,251 --> 00:46:15,757
couple of weeks, oh yeah.

917
00:46:16,085 --> 00:46:18,949
Speaker 2: Honestly to tell you
the truth, man like I feel like

918
00:46:18,989 --> 00:46:23,757
true love is knowing when to
keep somebody accountable and to

919
00:46:23,757 --> 00:46:24,398
challenge them.

920
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:25,519
Speaker 1: That's fair, honestly
.

921
00:46:26,365 --> 00:46:30,072
Speaker 2: And that's what she
was doing, like she was, and she

922
00:46:30,072 --> 00:46:30,914
wasn't wrong.

923
00:46:30,914 --> 00:46:34,692
Though she wasn't wrong and you
know we are so used to growing

924
00:46:34,751 --> 00:46:35,753
up with Superman.

925
00:46:35,753 --> 00:46:38,438
You know going off and saving
the world.

926
00:46:38,438 --> 00:46:42,393
If there's an asteroid coming
down, I 100% know that nobody's

927
00:46:42,413 --> 00:46:44,958
going to care if this man flies
and destroys it.

928
00:46:44,958 --> 00:46:49,050
But then, like once, you kind
of sprinkle some politics in and

929
00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:51,835
it's like okay, who are you
doing this on behalf of?

930
00:46:51,835 --> 00:46:55,380
You know, like you're obviously
, you know he's like kind of

931
00:46:58,545 --> 00:46:59,969
he's based out of, you know, the
United States.

932
00:46:59,969 --> 00:47:02,257
So obviously everything he does
is in the name of the United

933
00:47:02,317 --> 00:47:02,659
States.

934
00:47:02,659 --> 00:47:05,965
And so once he goes and does
all this stuff you know it was

935
00:47:06,045 --> 00:47:10,289
almost in a way of like her you
know, telling him to be mindful

936
00:47:10,451 --> 00:47:13,208
of the things that he does do,
even though, like you know, it's

937
00:47:13,208 --> 00:47:17,135
Superman's nature to want to
make sure that everyone is okay.

938
00:47:17,135 --> 00:47:19,398
You know it's yeah, like it's.

939
00:47:19,398 --> 00:47:23,130
It's also accountability in a
way.

940
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:24,621
Like you know you're kind of
like the face of the United

941
00:47:24,641 --> 00:47:24,862
States.

942
00:47:24,862 --> 00:47:26,389
You know you have to be careful
.

943
00:47:26,489 --> 00:47:30,574
Speaker 1: You know, Sorry to
cut you off.

944
00:47:30,574 --> 00:47:37,016
I also liked that she agreed
with pretty much everything that

945
00:47:37,016 --> 00:47:39,226
he was doing too Like.

946
00:47:39,226 --> 00:47:42,496
You know, off the record, she
was just like yeah, no, I agree

947
00:47:42,516 --> 00:47:44,210
with that, but do I know that?

948
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:47,713
So she was doing her job as an
unbiased reporter.

949
00:47:47,713 --> 00:47:52,246
You know, Like, and that hurt,
you know, Right, right, Because

950
00:47:52,266 --> 00:47:53,050
it's so emotionless.

951
00:47:53,050 --> 00:47:55,820
That's actually even harder
when you know the person you

952
00:47:55,862 --> 00:47:56,021
know.

953
00:47:56,021 --> 00:47:57,967
It's emotionless, yeah, so the
fact that she was able to do.

954
00:47:58,027 --> 00:48:01,976
Speaker 2: that goes to show you
, like you know, how strong she

955
00:48:02,277 --> 00:48:03,398
is as a reporter.

956
00:48:03,398 --> 00:48:04,449
She's good at her job.

957
00:48:04,449 --> 00:48:08,655
You know that's why she's at
that place is because she's so

958
00:48:08,695 --> 00:48:09,356
great at her job.

959
00:48:09,356 --> 00:48:13,172
And who knows like in this
world, who knows like how much

960
00:48:13,634 --> 00:48:15,418
Lois has been dating?

961
00:48:15,418 --> 00:48:18,110
You know, like I'm pretty sure
that, like you know, she's

962
00:48:18,152 --> 00:48:22,090
probably dated like a few guys
but like she seems like more of

963
00:48:22,172 --> 00:48:25,670
like a career woman and so like
now that she has like somebody

964
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:28,769
that kind of in her life, you
know that's a balance also for

965
00:48:28,829 --> 00:48:28,911
her.

966
00:48:28,911 --> 00:48:34,753
So I do you know, like you said
, like she is that you know hard

967
00:48:34,753 --> 00:48:38,697
hitting reporter and you know
you don't get there without like

968
00:48:38,697 --> 00:48:40,641
really diving into your work.

969
00:48:41,045 --> 00:48:44,594
Speaker 1: Speaking about career
women, let's also talk about

970
00:48:44,634 --> 00:48:45,938
career men and women.

971
00:48:45,938 --> 00:48:51,096
We have the Hall of Justice
being built, which was fun to

972
00:48:51,115 --> 00:48:51,717
see on screen.

973
00:48:51,717 --> 00:48:55,773
I was just it was just put a
smile on my face as a as someone

974
00:48:55,773 --> 00:48:59,144
who grew up just watching Super
Friends in the background, this

975
00:48:59,144 --> 00:49:01,835
was just something very special
to me.

976
00:49:02,547 --> 00:49:04,650
Speaker 2: But it was kind of
Nah man, it's the Justice gang

977
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:04,791
bro.

978
00:49:05,766 --> 00:49:08,777
Speaker 1: It was sad seeing
that it was just three members

979
00:49:08,898 --> 00:49:14,005
in this Justice gang, you know,
like Hawkgirl, mr Terrific and

980
00:49:14,266 --> 00:49:17,375
Guy Gardner's Green Lan, green
lantern of all people.

981
00:49:17,474 --> 00:49:20,590
Speaker 2: Dude, um, dude, let's
talk about them yes, please,

982
00:49:20,831 --> 00:49:24,056
let's talk about guy gardener,
let's let's talk about the the

983
00:49:25,144 --> 00:49:28,211
like you know, because I I've I
have like read some of guy

984
00:49:28,271 --> 00:49:32,849
gardener and I feel like nathan
phillan like did a freaking spot

985
00:49:32,849 --> 00:49:36,268
on job, like he is that like
arrogant guy he is.

986
00:49:36,268 --> 00:49:39,375
You know, like that, that green
lantern, you know that that's

987
00:49:39,434 --> 00:49:40,076
who he is.

988
00:49:40,076 --> 00:49:41,525
You know he's the like kind of.

989
00:49:41,525 --> 00:49:43,269
He's not like um.

990
00:49:43,269 --> 00:49:44,632
You know how jordan he's.

991
00:49:44,632 --> 00:49:47,659
You know he's a bit of a hard
head, you know.

992
00:49:47,784 --> 00:49:51,452
And I and oh yeah, I love that
they kept like the, the comic

993
00:49:51,492 --> 00:49:54,757
book haircut yeah, that was the
best part.

994
00:49:54,777 --> 00:49:57,152
Speaker 1: He's, he's supposed
to be a dick, he's supposed to

995
00:49:57,172 --> 00:49:57,856
be like he's.

996
00:49:57,856 --> 00:50:00,706
That's literally who he is in
the comics and that's who he was

997
00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:01,208
on screen.

998
00:50:01,208 --> 00:50:02,992
Yeah, at all times they.

999
00:50:03,092 --> 00:50:04,836
Speaker 2: They knocked it out
of the park.

1000
00:50:04,836 --> 00:50:07,268
I think he did a really really,
really good job.

1001
00:50:07,268 --> 00:50:09,434
I I actually really liked he.

1002
00:50:09,434 --> 00:50:13,130
He knocked that patrol out of
the park, it and I laughed.

1003
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:15,657
I felt like I laughed every
time he was on the screen, like

1004
00:50:15,724 --> 00:50:18,625
because I almost couldn't take
him seriously.

1005
00:50:19,045 --> 00:50:21,192
Speaker 1: I loved his
constructs that he was making

1006
00:50:21,514 --> 00:50:25,954
the when, when he was facing the
dimensional imp with a, with a

1007
00:50:25,994 --> 00:50:29,893
baseball bat, and it was just
like a bunk, bunk sound Whenever

1008
00:50:29,893 --> 00:50:30,635
, whenever it hit.

1009
00:50:30,635 --> 00:50:32,867
I loved that Like a wiffle bat.

1010
00:50:32,867 --> 00:50:34,570
It was so fun.

1011
00:50:34,751 --> 00:50:36,795
Speaker 2: I know Rich was
cheering for that when he saw

1012
00:50:36,875 --> 00:50:38,157
anything.

1013
00:50:38,418 --> 00:50:39,358
Speaker 3: I was very excited.

1014
00:50:41,324 --> 00:50:43,088
Speaker 1: Mocked it out of the
park with that one as well, as

1015
00:50:43,128 --> 00:50:46,655
like when he's in Jarhanpur and
he's like flipping over the

1016
00:50:46,695 --> 00:50:49,199
tanks with the middle fingers.

1017
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,005
Speaker 2: Yes, hilarious, I
love that I was like yeah, yeah,

1018
00:50:52,005 --> 00:50:56,405
I said yeah, that's this
character, so irre, yes,

1019
00:50:56,465 --> 00:50:56,666
hilarious.

1020
00:50:56,686 --> 00:50:58,771
I love that I was like yeah,
yeah, I said yeah, that's this

1021
00:50:58,791 --> 00:51:00,135
character, so they got him like
perfect.

1022
00:51:00,135 --> 00:51:02,079
And it's crazy because like
we've only really gotten like um

1023
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,550
, uh, was it john stewart and
hal jordan on the screen, but

1024
00:51:05,570 --> 00:51:08,476
like we haven't really, like
we've had maybe a couple others,

1025
00:51:08,476 --> 00:51:12,250
but like you know the fact that
we got guy guy Gardner and that

1026
00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:14,492
that was the choice for this
film, it was.

1027
00:51:14,492 --> 00:51:19,320
He was definitely like the one
of the the comedic reliefs in

1028
00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:19,780
this film.

1029
00:51:20,246 --> 00:51:21,588
Speaker 1: And it's it takes.

1030
00:51:21,588 --> 00:51:24,173
It takes someone like James
Gunn to be like that's the,

1031
00:51:24,394 --> 00:51:26,219
that's the Green Lantern I want
to play with first.

1032
00:51:26,219 --> 00:51:31,172
You know, yeah, yeah, nobody,
nobody would be like the

1033
00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:34,878
quintessential Green Lantern
that we need for this is Guy

1034
00:51:34,898 --> 00:51:38,110
Gardner, except James Gunn,
because it totally fits his

1035
00:51:39,293 --> 00:51:40,536
direction, style and everything.

1036
00:51:41,217 --> 00:51:43,110
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he likes
deep cuts.

1037
00:51:43,110 --> 00:51:43,411
Man.

1038
00:51:43,411 --> 00:51:45,789
You know, you saw what he did
with Guardians.

1039
00:51:46,271 --> 00:51:47,215
Speaker 1: I saw what he did
with Guardians.

1040
00:51:47,215 --> 00:51:48,630
I saw what he did with Suicide
Squad.

1041
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:50,570
Yeah, it was terrific.

1042
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:55,414
Speaking of terrific, we have
Mr Terrific Dude just cool, cool

1043
00:51:55,414 --> 00:51:59,012
, just a cool character also has
my least favorite scene the the

1044
00:51:59,012 --> 00:52:01,907
scene where they're, you know,
in front of the garage hangar

1045
00:52:02,188 --> 00:52:04,213
and it's just going up slowly
and it's just like it comes out

1046
00:52:04,253 --> 00:52:06,927
of nowhere and it's just like
you wasted like 30 seconds of

1047
00:52:06,967 --> 00:52:08,588
this film on a garage hangar.

1048
00:52:08,588 --> 00:52:10,409
Uh, I was like I was.

1049
00:52:10,409 --> 00:52:13,811
I was like I was both times I
watched the movie.

1050
00:52:13,811 --> 00:52:19,916
I'm like this is so dumb, but I
I do love a lot of his line

1051
00:52:19,936 --> 00:52:20,438
deliveries.

1052
00:52:20,438 --> 00:52:24,360
I love that he just doesn't
care about, like, the emotional

1053
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:26,922
context of Lois and Clark's
relationship.

1054
00:52:26,922 --> 00:52:28,672
I love that he hates crypto.

1055
00:52:28,672 --> 00:52:32,833
What are your guys thoughts on
Mr Terrific?

1056
00:52:33,405 --> 00:52:35,432
Speaker 3: I had known nothing
about the character.

1057
00:52:35,432 --> 00:52:38,710
So, like there are, I do have a
lot of dc blind spots, uh,

1058
00:52:38,851 --> 00:52:42,106
where, you know, I didn't read
as much of the comics, so a lot

1059
00:52:42,166 --> 00:52:44,070
of my dc knowledge happens.

1060
00:52:44,070 --> 00:52:47,918
It just really comes from uh
films and shows yeah, films and

1061
00:52:47,938 --> 00:52:50,909
shows, you know, and I didn't
even go that deep, uh, with

1062
00:52:50,929 --> 00:52:51,530
certain stuff.

1063
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:56,179
So, like I didn't watch, um,
was it the flash and wb or

1064
00:52:56,338 --> 00:52:56,639
archer?

1065
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,793
I didn't watch, uh, I didn't
watch any of those now, you

1066
00:52:59,813 --> 00:52:59,994
didn't.

1067
00:53:00,034 --> 00:53:01,786
Speaker 1: You didn't watch the
arrowverse, the arrowverse.

1068
00:53:01,827 --> 00:53:03,010
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, archer.

1069
00:53:03,010 --> 00:53:04,313
What am I talking about anyway?

1070
00:53:04,313 --> 00:53:07,371
We're talking about that fx
series, that's a fantastic show

1071
00:53:07,992 --> 00:53:11,505
uh, that's great, but you know I
so I didn't know anything about

1072
00:53:11,505 --> 00:53:11,925
this guy.

1073
00:53:11,925 --> 00:53:14,972
Uh, so I I just thought he, I
was whoa, like everything he

1074
00:53:14,992 --> 00:53:15,434
started to do.

1075
00:53:15,434 --> 00:53:18,114
I was like whoa, that's pretty
cool, that's pretty dope.

1076
00:53:18,114 --> 00:53:22,317
So I really liked like I knew
nothing about him.

1077
00:53:22,317 --> 00:53:26,454
I felt like I got to know him
in a way that makes me want to

1078
00:53:26,494 --> 00:53:29,914
see him again and that's
fantastic, I think.

1079
00:53:30,304 --> 00:53:34,376
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Mr
Terrific is a fun character.

1080
00:53:34,376 --> 00:53:38,228
I wasn't hugely versed on him
either.

1081
00:53:38,228 --> 00:53:39,614
I mean, I knew what his power
sets were.

1082
00:53:39,614 --> 00:53:42,505
I knew like the way that he was
portrayed on screen.

1083
00:53:42,505 --> 00:53:45,958
Anthony, it's kind of like
Zenyatta in Overwatch you know

1084
00:53:45,978 --> 00:53:48,806
like with with the orbs and like
floating around and yeah, um,

1085
00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:50,869
but yeah, no, it was it was
really really cool to see on

1086
00:53:50,889 --> 00:53:51,028
screen.

1087
00:53:51,228 --> 00:53:55,173
It was really really cool to see
on screen and it was such a

1088
00:53:55,253 --> 00:53:59,619
James Gunn moment to have that
fight scene from Lois' vantage

1089
00:53:59,659 --> 00:54:03,949
point within that T-Sphere
bubble, as he's just going ham

1090
00:54:03,989 --> 00:54:05,936
with a stupid song in the
background.

1091
00:54:05,936 --> 00:54:07,552
Fun, fun, fun.

1092
00:54:08,492 --> 00:54:11,873
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that
was actually a really cool scene

1093
00:54:11,873 --> 00:54:16,106
, man, but yeah, um, it was that
I'm, I'm also kind of like with

1094
00:54:16,106 --> 00:54:20,576
rich that, like I, I didn't, I
didn't know this character.

1095
00:54:20,576 --> 00:54:23,268
I don't know if he, I don't
remember if he's ever really

1096
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:26,597
popped up and you know, like
there's certain like groups that

1097
00:54:26,597 --> 00:54:29,130
that you know I've seen, like
you know, I like know some of

1098
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:33,835
the, the heroes from, like you
know, the justice society and

1099
00:54:34,356 --> 00:54:36,826
you know, yeah, like he, he
hasn't really ever like popped

1100
00:54:36,885 --> 00:54:37,387
up for me.

1101
00:54:37,387 --> 00:54:41,755
Um, I mean, you know, I know,
but I knew the others, the, the

1102
00:54:41,815 --> 00:54:46,556
other two, uh, hot girl and and
guy, guy gardner what'd you guys

1103
00:54:46,556 --> 00:54:50,309
think of hot girl just like
screaming randomly whenever she

1104
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:51,795
was attacking people like a bird
?

1105
00:54:52,237 --> 00:54:54,405
Speaker 1: I thought that was
really funny better, so I've

1106
00:54:54,425 --> 00:54:54,945
been watching.

1107
00:54:54,965 --> 00:54:55,887
Speaker 3: Uh, last of us.

1108
00:54:56,188 --> 00:54:58,833
Speaker 1: So, uh, isabel oh
yeah, it's the same actress.

1109
00:54:58,873 --> 00:55:01,806
Speaker 3: She plays a big role
there, uh, and she's just

1110
00:55:02,708 --> 00:55:05,152
fantastic in last of us.

1111
00:55:05,152 --> 00:55:09,324
To the point where, like the
character of dina for me in the

1112
00:55:09,365 --> 00:55:14,277
game wasn't as interesting as it
is actually in the show and

1113
00:55:14,318 --> 00:55:15,621
interesting okay, uh.

1114
00:55:15,621 --> 00:55:18,708
So when I saw that she was cast
for this, I was excited because

1115
00:55:18,708 --> 00:55:22,197
I really like her work on last
of us I.

1116
00:55:22,197 --> 00:55:24,931
And then it made me recall that
she's been in another one of

1117
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:27,297
our favorite superhero movies,
dora the explorer.

1118
00:55:27,985 --> 00:55:31,974
Uh, no, but she was one of your,
one of your favorites, I

1119
00:55:32,074 --> 00:55:35,869
actually haven't seen it well
she is Dora, but no, there's a

1120
00:55:35,929 --> 00:55:40,512
movie that you maybe she got
tangled up in this movie.

1121
00:55:40,512 --> 00:55:43,913
Maybe you just don't remember
her because Sidney Sweeney was

1122
00:55:43,952 --> 00:55:48,135
in the movie yes, she was caught
in the web.

1123
00:55:48,135 --> 00:55:53,844
So you know she got like her
chance in a superhero movie and

1124
00:55:53,925 --> 00:55:56,748
obviously that's not going to go
anywhere ever again, so I'm

1125
00:55:56,949 --> 00:56:00,996
really happy for the actor I, I
keep thinking like about, like

1126
00:56:01,217 --> 00:56:04,190
sony's output, and it's just
don't, don't do it, don't do it.

1127
00:56:04,271 --> 00:56:04,791
Speaker 1: What are we?

1128
00:56:04,972 --> 00:56:08,507
Speaker 3: thinking I watched
what is going on I what is

1129
00:56:08,586 --> 00:56:09,048
happening?

1130
00:56:09,088 --> 00:56:09,831
Speaker 2: just to watch.

1131
00:56:09,831 --> 00:56:11,414
They're mishandling spider-man.

1132
00:56:11,414 --> 00:56:12,717
They need to just like give
those rights.

1133
00:56:12,717 --> 00:56:13,864
It's not even that they're
mishandling spider-Man.

1134
00:56:13,811 --> 00:56:14,434
Speaker 1: They need to just
give those rights up.

1135
00:56:14,434 --> 00:56:15,259
It's not even that they're
mishandling Spider-Man, because

1136
00:56:15,278 --> 00:56:16,099
he's not even in it.

1137
00:56:16,099 --> 00:56:19,635
They're beating around the bush
for no reason.

1138
00:56:19,635 --> 00:56:24,255
It's like $100 million there,
$100 million there, $100 million

1139
00:56:24,255 --> 00:56:24,436
there.

1140
00:56:24,436 --> 00:56:27,393
I'll take $50 million back
every time.

1141
00:56:27,393 --> 00:56:30,454
It's just like let's lose money
, guys, let's do this.

1142
00:56:32,731 --> 00:56:33,534
Speaker 2: It's like a gambler.

1143
00:56:33,534 --> 00:56:36,885
They could let's do this.

1144
00:56:36,885 --> 00:56:37,007
It's.

1145
00:56:37,007 --> 00:56:37,768
It's like a, it's like a
gambler.

1146
00:56:37,768 --> 00:56:39,273
You know, like they, they put
they, they could put in like 200

1147
00:56:39,273 --> 00:56:40,898
, and if they get like 50, 50
back, they feel like they're

1148
00:56:40,918 --> 00:56:41,219
ahead.

1149
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,268
Speaker 1: It's the sunk cost
fallacy with, with the, you know

1150
00:56:45,268 --> 00:56:46,711
, with the entire sony.

1151
00:56:46,931 --> 00:56:49,737
Speaker 2: I we're like yeah,
sorry sorry sorry, let's, let's

1152
00:56:49,757 --> 00:56:52,389
pull it back, let's bring it
back in the comic books, but,

1153
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:54,956
but yeah, no, I agree, but yeah,
no, it's.

1154
00:56:56,927 --> 00:56:59,556
Speaker 1: I liked Isabella
Merced in this role.

1155
00:56:59,556 --> 00:57:03,487
I wish there was more of all of
these characters, but I guess

1156
00:57:03,527 --> 00:57:07,818
we'll have to just wait until
this universe continues growing.

1157
00:57:07,818 --> 00:57:10,574
Okay, my cat's being really
loud right now, I'll be right

1158
00:57:10,594 --> 00:57:10,715
back.

1159
00:57:10,715 --> 00:57:14,710
Sorry, what did I miss?

1160
00:57:14,972 --> 00:57:15,958
Speaker 2: you missed tons, man.

1161
00:57:15,958 --> 00:57:20,411
We're already done with the
discussion, man, um, no, no, uh,

1162
00:57:20,411 --> 00:57:24,940
I, I agree, and I I like that
part where they're fighting that

1163
00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:28,550
, that monster, and like she was
hitting his eye.

1164
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:30,753
Speaker 1: Kaiju, oh my gosh,
that was so funny.

1165
00:57:31,134 --> 00:57:34,199
Speaker 2: I was actually like
he like, closed his eye over the

1166
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:38,311
the mace and like it got stuck
it's just.

1167
00:57:38,952 --> 00:57:41,556
Speaker 1: It's such a stupid
way to handle a big monster, but

1168
00:57:41,556 --> 00:57:44,469
it actually kind of makes sense
, you know, like go for the eyes

1169
00:57:44,469 --> 00:57:47,836
and they're just poking away at
its cornea.

1170
00:57:47,916 --> 00:57:50,228
Speaker 2: It's, it's just I, I
love how, like they're like

1171
00:57:50,288 --> 00:57:54,235
fighting it and and superman's,
just like you know, and like

1172
00:57:54,255 --> 00:57:59,148
they like, proceed to kill it
yeah.

1173
00:57:59,811 --> 00:58:03,358
Speaker 1: So that scene I think
I have to talk about because I

1174
00:58:03,398 --> 00:58:04,666
made a big stink about it online
.

1175
00:58:04,666 --> 00:58:13,134
So it involves a potential
major timeline error where the

1176
00:58:13,173 --> 00:58:20,721
the film proposes, um, that lex
luther and um mutant toes go to.

1177
00:58:20,721 --> 00:58:23,509
I call her mutant toes because
I forget her name, but that was

1178
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:28,146
her name in jimmy olsen's book
as well as uh, the, the other

1179
00:58:28,166 --> 00:58:33,114
people, they they go over to the
fortress of solitude to find

1180
00:58:33,293 --> 00:58:37,746
dirt on Superman and in that
scene they ask how do we keep

1181
00:58:37,766 --> 00:58:38,547
Superman away?

1182
00:58:38,547 --> 00:58:40,693
How do we like distract
Superman?

1183
00:58:40,693 --> 00:58:46,289
And Lex says that he has
something planned, basically

1184
00:58:46,751 --> 00:58:49,980
suggesting that while they're
there in the Fortress of

1185
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,309
Solitude he has something that's
going to distract Superman.

1186
00:58:53,731 --> 00:58:58,516
But by the time we actually see
the fight with the monster like

1187
00:58:58,916 --> 00:59:01,885
it's the next day, you know,
like it's at least 12 hours have

1188
00:59:01,885 --> 00:59:05,237
passed, because the monster is
now fully grown.

1189
00:59:05,237 --> 00:59:08,987
So it isn't really a
distraction and it really caused

1190
00:59:08,987 --> 00:59:12,416
me to think like wait, so am I
supposed to believe that Lex

1191
00:59:12,436 --> 00:59:14,527
Luthor was at the Fortress of
Solitude, made it back to

1192
00:59:14,586 --> 00:59:18,351
Metropolis, had a whole
interview planned, got onto the

1193
00:59:18,471 --> 00:59:22,596
interview, did all that,
released the footage, translated

1194
00:59:22,596 --> 00:59:26,980
the footage in the span of the
20 or so minutes that they were

1195
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,981
fighting this kaiju beast.

1196
00:59:27,981 --> 00:59:31,686
Well, no, obviously that can't
be true, but the way that it's

1197
00:59:31,827 --> 00:59:36,257
written kind of is it leans in
that direction well, I I think

1198
00:59:36,277 --> 00:59:39,012
in that moment this is where I
will.

1199
00:59:39,052 --> 00:59:40,637
Speaker 2: I mean it's, it's not
.

1200
00:59:40,637 --> 00:59:41,117
I think it's.

1201
00:59:41,117 --> 00:59:44,387
I know it's one of those
moments that you have to like

1202
00:59:44,447 --> 00:59:48,876
suspend disbelief, that you know
, while this is happening, you

1203
00:59:48,916 --> 00:59:51,971
know they're planning, you know,
like all of the I guess like

1204
00:59:52,391 --> 00:59:54,777
not everything is happening all
at the same time.

1205
00:59:54,777 --> 00:59:58,494
It's just like kind of over
that time right, this stuff is

1206
00:59:58,514 --> 01:00:01,027
happening in the background
while this creature is growing.

1207
01:00:01,367 --> 01:00:03,954
You know they're planning to
make their their way over there,

1208
01:00:03,954 --> 01:00:07,172
but it looks like it's all
happening at the same time and,

1209
01:00:07,452 --> 01:00:12,365
you know, on the screen it might
seem like the the monster was

1210
01:00:12,385 --> 01:00:14,934
like a 20 minute fight, but like
you know, who knows, it could

1211
01:00:14,965 --> 01:00:16,568
have been, you know, longer.

1212
01:00:16,568 --> 01:00:18,594
It might have been rampaging
for longer.

1213
01:00:18,594 --> 01:00:20,706
You know I mean well I mean it.

1214
01:00:20,885 --> 01:00:23,452
It had been rampaging for longer
because it eventually had to

1215
01:00:23,492 --> 01:00:27,650
grow up right to right, but I
don't, so the the actual

1216
01:00:27,692 --> 01:00:30,581
distraction with superman
happened when it was like fully

1217
01:00:30,621 --> 01:00:34,090
grown, like right, right, so I
guess.

1218
01:00:35,052 --> 01:00:35,614
Speaker 1: So there's.

1219
01:00:35,614 --> 01:00:36,898
There's two ways of looking at
it.

1220
01:00:36,898 --> 01:00:40,369
You can be very literal with
the script where the distraction

1221
01:00:40,369 --> 01:00:44,362
that Lex Luthor needs to get
the information from the

1222
01:00:44,402 --> 01:00:49,836
Fortress of Solitude was
Superman fighting this beast.

1223
01:00:49,836 --> 01:00:52,876
So that would be Superman
fighting this beast

1224
01:00:52,976 --> 01:00:56,045
simultaneously with lex luther
extracting that information.

1225
01:00:56,045 --> 01:01:00,414
Or it's just a weird line that
lex luther said because by the

1226
01:01:00,454 --> 01:01:06,393
time the you know distraction
was occurring, super lex luther

1227
01:01:06,413 --> 01:01:09,199
was already like being
interviewed on that program,

1228
01:01:09,465 --> 01:01:12,351
because we actually do see the
interview happening, uh, in the

1229
01:01:12,391 --> 01:01:16,838
background of that scene, like
on billboards or buildings.

1230
01:01:16,838 --> 01:01:18,431
There's screens on buildings
and stuff.

1231
01:01:19,304 --> 01:01:23,657
So upon a second watch it made a
little bit more sense to me.

1232
01:01:23,657 --> 01:01:27,126
It's not as glaring of a plot
hole, because the film actually

1233
01:01:27,186 --> 01:01:32,094
is very good about keeping an
internal, consistent timeline.

1234
01:01:32,094 --> 01:01:35,018
You know, like there are seven
days showcased throughout the

1235
01:01:35,057 --> 01:01:35,318
film.

1236
01:01:35,318 --> 01:01:40,052
Each day that they have like a
magazine on screen or a

1237
01:01:40,092 --> 01:01:44,253
newspaper on screen, rather it's
dated correctly as to that day.

1238
01:01:44,253 --> 01:01:47,954
So it would be like Monday the
18th, then Thursday the 22nd,

1239
01:01:48,014 --> 01:01:49,266
something like that you know it
was.

1240
01:01:49,266 --> 01:01:53,869
It was very, very consistent
like that, so I kind of just

1241
01:01:53,951 --> 01:01:56,648
overlook it at this point as
just like kind of a weird line

1242
01:01:56,688 --> 01:01:59,034
that didn't need to be in there,
because it ultimately just made

1243
01:01:59,034 --> 01:02:02,717
me think too hard and it
distracted me from it was a

1244
01:02:02,757 --> 01:02:03,541
distraction for me.

1245
01:02:03,782 --> 01:02:05,226
Speaker 2: It was more of a
distraction for me than it was

1246
01:02:05,246 --> 01:02:11,438
for superman, I think so and and
and I, I think like probably

1247
01:02:11,518 --> 01:02:14,271
for rich, and I like we just
were like none the wiser, we're

1248
01:02:14,291 --> 01:02:14,811
just like in it.

1249
01:02:14,811 --> 01:02:17,630
Yeah, I don't even think I,
until I saw your tweet.

1250
01:02:17,824 --> 01:02:19,469
Speaker 3: I didn't think about
it like once.

1251
01:02:19,469 --> 01:02:23,389
Like I was like, oh yeah, it's
just like I don't know.

1252
01:02:23,389 --> 01:02:26,088
I mean, it's just one of those
things like the, the stupid

1253
01:02:26,128 --> 01:02:36,528
movie God, it's with Arnold
Schwar.

1254
01:02:36,528 --> 01:02:39,797
Like it says christ in new york
and he's like maybe it's chris

1255
01:02:39,818 --> 01:02:42,967
in new york or, uh, christine in
new york or christine york, and

1256
01:02:42,967 --> 01:02:45,233
then the name just pops up on
the computer screen and that's

1257
01:02:45,293 --> 01:02:48,168
who they're looking for, like,
and I just kind of accepted it.

1258
01:02:48,168 --> 01:02:51,554
I'm like you know, arnold's
just so good at like enigmas,

1259
01:02:51,713 --> 01:02:51,994
you know.

1260
01:02:51,994 --> 01:02:55,246
Or like even in the old batman
show, like he'd put in a bunch

1261
01:02:55,266 --> 01:02:58,199
of evidence into like a machine,
right like this old school

1262
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:00,327
computer, and they would like
beep, beep, boop, boop, boop,

1263
01:03:00,407 --> 01:03:02,532
and then I would give them a
location of where they had to go

1264
01:03:02,532 --> 01:03:05,670
, like, and and I think that I
just was like, yeah, of course

1265
01:03:05,751 --> 01:03:07,657
lex was able to do that.

1266
01:03:07,657 --> 01:03:10,106
So I don't think I even thought
about.

1267
01:03:10,126 --> 01:03:11,068
Speaker 1: That's another thing
too.

1268
01:03:11,068 --> 01:03:15,443
Like in my head as I'm watching
this I'm thinking all right, so

1269
01:03:15,443 --> 01:03:19,952
lex gets access to this alien
language or like two minutes max

1270
01:03:19,952 --> 01:03:24,367
, two minutes total of like this
sample of kryptonian, like an

1271
01:03:24,487 --> 01:03:27,153
alien language that has no
etymological links to anything

1272
01:03:27,233 --> 01:03:34,556
in like the earth lexicon, and
within the day he has already

1273
01:03:34,617 --> 01:03:38,063
communicated with all of the
like top like the top 28

1274
01:03:38,523 --> 01:03:41,454
linguists in the world and
they've deciphered exactly what

1275
01:03:41,494 --> 01:03:43,202
this says from a two-minute
sample.

1276
01:03:43,202 --> 01:03:48,695
And I looked it up like how
long would it take linguists to

1277
01:03:49,195 --> 01:03:52,121
like decipher a humanoid
language from another planet?

1278
01:03:52,121 --> 01:03:56,438
Um, and according to ChatGPT,
it would say realistically, it

1279
01:03:56,478 --> 01:03:58,005
would never happen from a
two-minute sample.

1280
01:03:58,686 --> 01:04:01,954
Speaker 3: I'm going to actually
quiet the voices in your head

1281
01:04:02,076 --> 01:04:02,476
with this.

1282
01:04:02,476 --> 01:04:09,275
If he has a metahuman who can
turn himself into a substance

1283
01:04:09,896 --> 01:04:14,367
that doesn't even exist on this
world, I wouldn't put it past

1284
01:04:14,849 --> 01:04:18,416
Lex to have some sort of
metahuman locked up in his

1285
01:04:18,496 --> 01:04:22,170
pocket universe who's like the
brainiac level of being able to

1286
01:04:22,210 --> 01:04:26,264
figure stuff out I also think
that you could make the argument

1287
01:04:26,264 --> 01:04:32,293
that the computer that they
hacked probably had some

1288
01:04:32,353 --> 01:04:35,079
translation of the language.

1289
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,675
Speaker 1: It's not the worst
thing in the world, it just in

1290
01:04:37,715 --> 01:04:38,581
my in the moment.

1291
01:04:38,581 --> 01:04:42,293
While that was happening, uh,
and the the quick translation on

1292
01:04:42,293 --> 01:04:46,909
screen for the world to see, I
was just like well, well I mean

1293
01:04:46,969 --> 01:04:49,014
the thing is is that here here
goes.

1294
01:04:49,074 --> 01:04:51,686
Speaker 2: Another one of those
things is that lex might have

1295
01:04:51,786 --> 01:04:54,972
had exposure to other other
things.

1296
01:04:54,972 --> 01:04:57,137
You know from that language.

1297
01:04:57,137 --> 01:04:58,545
I mean, he knew about
kryptonite.

1298
01:04:58,545 --> 01:04:59,038
That was never explained.

1299
01:04:59,038 --> 01:04:59,496
Yeah, so the thing is is that
you know from that language, I

1300
01:04:59,438 --> 01:05:00,150
mean, he knew about kryptonite.

1301
01:05:00,092 --> 01:05:02,347
That was never explained, yeah
so the thing is is that, you

1302
01:05:02,387 --> 01:05:05,596
know, you also got to think that
, like he might have had, you

1303
01:05:05,637 --> 01:05:09,032
know, some sort of kryptonian
language that he, he had been

1304
01:05:09,112 --> 01:05:12,985
able to to have analyzed, and so
, when it came to that time,

1305
01:05:13,005 --> 01:05:16,534
they were able to download all
that stuff he was able to it's

1306
01:05:16,574 --> 01:05:17,835
in the caves, man I guess get it
.

1307
01:05:17,804 --> 01:05:18,391
You know, I guess get it.

1308
01:05:18,391 --> 01:05:19,010
Here's a question for you
people.

1309
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:19,318
It's in the caves, man.

1310
01:05:19,318 --> 01:05:19,458
I guess get it.

1311
01:05:19,458 --> 01:05:19,655
You know, I guess get it.

1312
01:05:19,655 --> 01:05:22,018
Here's a question for you
people it's in the caves here's.

1313
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:24,646
Speaker 1: I got a question,
lionel has it he's in the caves.

1314
01:05:24,688 --> 01:05:28,195
He's got the language already
dang it, lionel yeah he's, he's

1315
01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:31,268
like carving it into the wall
just like, uh, phil colson and

1316
01:05:31,389 --> 01:05:38,277
agents of shield yeah, um, they
mentioned early on that there's

1317
01:05:38,358 --> 01:05:40,300
no more kryptonite left in the
world.

1318
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:41,867
What happened to it?

1319
01:05:41,867 --> 01:05:43,793
Where did it go Like?

1320
01:05:43,793 --> 01:05:44,706
Does it dissolve Like?

1321
01:05:44,706 --> 01:05:48,583
Does it have like a really like
strong half-life kind of like

1322
01:05:48,684 --> 01:05:51,092
uranium, where it just starts
disintegrating like really

1323
01:05:51,132 --> 01:05:51,474
quickly?

1324
01:05:51,474 --> 01:05:55,181
And that's what I'm very
confused about, like where all

1325
01:05:55,202 --> 01:05:55,864
the kryptonite went.

1326
01:05:55,864 --> 01:05:57,853
And they obviously know about
kryptonite.

1327
01:05:57,853 --> 01:06:03,184
I read the junior novelization
where Luther finds a substance

1328
01:06:03,947 --> 01:06:08,804
that he imbues a cyborg with,
that he determines eventually

1329
01:06:09,748 --> 01:06:12,367
that this weakened Superman
somehow, I don't know why.

1330
01:06:12,367 --> 01:06:12,889
Blah, blah, blah.

1331
01:06:12,889 --> 01:06:17,092
And three years later it is
known as kryptonite, but it is

1332
01:06:17,172 --> 01:06:20,027
also known as a substance that
no longer exists in this world,

1333
01:06:20,728 --> 01:06:24,195
so they have to bring in element
man to create it.

1334
01:06:24,195 --> 01:06:25,518
Where did it go, guys?

1335
01:06:25,518 --> 01:06:26,586
What happened?

1336
01:06:27,248 --> 01:06:31,675
Speaker 3: hmm it it
disintegrated I like that theory

1337
01:06:31,675 --> 01:06:36,728
I, I just uh, you know, let's
like, like, let's like try to do

1338
01:06:36,728 --> 01:06:41,565
so much, tried to do so many
experiments with it that it I

1339
01:06:41,606 --> 01:06:43,451
mean like it's not the same
movie.

1340
01:06:43,451 --> 01:06:46,197
But you know, I'm batman versus
superman, which obviously I

1341
01:06:46,237 --> 01:06:49,371
mean, um, astoundingly, has so
many similar themes that I'm

1342
01:06:50,114 --> 01:06:53,168
rather shocked by the outrage of
some of the people, uh, the

1343
01:06:53,208 --> 01:06:56,514
reaction to this movie, because
I'm like, uh, in some beats it's

1344
01:06:56,514 --> 01:06:57,836
kind of the same story.

1345
01:06:57,836 --> 01:07:01,190
It's still, like you know,
superman's an outsider alien and

1346
01:07:01,190 --> 01:07:04,177
everyone kind of starts to turn
on him a little bit here.

1347
01:07:04,177 --> 01:07:08,012
Uh, and in that one it was this
idea that, like they, they just

1348
01:07:08,012 --> 01:07:11,407
had a finite amount, right, and
that they, they could have

1349
01:07:11,467 --> 01:07:11,668
messed.

1350
01:07:11,668 --> 01:07:14,735
Like batman ends up getting his
hands on it and he, he almost

1351
01:07:14,896 --> 01:07:17,128
wastes all of it, but before the
end, right.

1352
01:07:17,128 --> 01:07:20,610
So I could see a scenario where
Lex has been like doing some

1353
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:22,284
shady experiments in the pocket
realm.

1354
01:07:22,284 --> 01:07:27,036
I mean, maybe even creation of
Ultraman required some in some

1355
01:07:27,115 --> 01:07:27,838
strange way.

1356
01:07:28,648 --> 01:07:29,474
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

1357
01:07:30,025 --> 01:07:31,271
Speaker 3: How did he get the
DNA?

1358
01:07:31,271 --> 01:07:34,512
How did Superman's hair even
fall off?

1359
01:07:34,512 --> 01:07:37,574
Maybe that was even a
kryptonite thing that got the

1360
01:07:37,614 --> 01:07:40,771
hair cut, because you would
imagine that his hair can't be

1361
01:07:40,811 --> 01:07:43,565
cut by anything else, so I mean,
unless he's just going through

1362
01:07:44,005 --> 01:07:47,693
early, uh, male pattern he is in
his early 30s.

1363
01:07:47,713 --> 01:07:51,907
I mean, it's not I hope that at
the next movie they're like you

1364
01:07:51,947 --> 01:07:55,135
know, there's, there is somebody
who's like, how did he lose his

1365
01:07:55,135 --> 01:07:55,456
hair?

1366
01:07:55,456 --> 01:07:56,867
He's like, how did they, how
did I lose it?

1367
01:07:56,867 --> 01:08:00,016
And then lois goes well, you
know, I didn't want to say this

1368
01:08:00,077 --> 01:08:02,824
clark, but uh, you've, I've
caught some hairs in the shower.

1369
01:08:02,824 --> 01:08:06,793
Uh, you know I've taken it out
of the drain before you see it.

1370
01:08:06,793 --> 01:08:09,257
But uh, you have indeed been
losing hair.

1371
01:08:09,445 --> 01:08:12,373
Speaker 1: Hey the average
person loses like 30 to 60 hairs

1372
01:08:12,373 --> 01:08:12,755
a day.

1373
01:08:12,755 --> 01:08:16,807
So they grow back, but you know
, so anyway yeah, that's fun.

1374
01:08:17,350 --> 01:08:21,210
I I like all the little stupid
banter, but there's one thing

1375
01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:23,951
that we need to talk about
before we finish the

1376
01:08:23,970 --> 01:08:25,095
conversation, and that's crypto.

1377
01:08:25,095 --> 01:08:27,872
We haven't talked about crypto
at all.

1378
01:08:27,872 --> 01:08:33,520
I think that that's a really
fun thing, like when I first saw

1379
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,412
the trailer and I saw him
whistle and I saw the cloud of

1380
01:08:37,472 --> 01:08:40,345
dust, like you know, in
antarctica, like coming towards

1381
01:08:40,386 --> 01:08:40,447
him.

1382
01:08:40,447 --> 01:08:45,337
I'm like no way, no way,
they're doing crypto, which is

1383
01:08:45,436 --> 01:08:47,587
the most campy thing that's ever
existed.

1384
01:08:47,587 --> 01:08:52,002
In comic books, I have a super
dog, uh, and you know, back in

1385
01:08:52,082 --> 01:08:54,292
like the golden era, there was
like a whole super family, but

1386
01:08:55,036 --> 01:08:56,864
and I guess they they still
exist in, you know, modern

1387
01:08:56,904 --> 01:09:00,935
comics, but they're not all as
interlinked as they are, uh, in

1388
01:09:01,055 --> 01:09:04,524
golden age stuff but, yeah,
crypto is one of the most comic

1389
01:09:04,725 --> 01:09:11,095
book things possible and I think
they handled it phenomenally,

1390
01:09:11,576 --> 01:09:12,317
like in this movie.

1391
01:09:12,337 --> 01:09:16,970
Just it felt so you didn't
question it for a second.

1392
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:20,766
Within the confines of the, the
logic of this film am I?

1393
01:09:20,766 --> 01:09:21,507
Am I wrong there?

1394
01:09:21,507 --> 01:09:22,770
Like, do you guys feel the same
way?

1395
01:09:23,212 --> 01:09:25,777
Speaker 2: no, no, like I, I
didn't feel like it.

1396
01:09:25,777 --> 01:09:27,408
It didn't feel campy.

1397
01:09:27,408 --> 01:09:32,081
Like you know the, the comics,
or they had that animated series

1398
01:09:32,081 --> 01:09:32,561
also.

1399
01:09:33,043 --> 01:09:38,793
Uh, crypto the super dog and and
so, yeah, that I I really felt

1400
01:09:38,854 --> 01:09:39,435
like it.

1401
01:09:39,435 --> 01:09:43,167
It made sense and he had like
the, the mannerisms of like a

1402
01:09:43,207 --> 01:09:45,233
dog, like in that.

1403
01:09:45,233 --> 01:09:48,086
That trailer was literally like
the, the start of the movie

1404
01:09:48,386 --> 01:09:52,114
also, and no, it was just like
funny, though, like you know,

1405
01:09:52,175 --> 01:09:54,646
the crypto comes up and he's
just like trying to play and

1406
01:09:54,667 --> 01:09:57,952
like jump on him and stuff, and
I'm like, yeah, that's so much

1407
01:09:58,032 --> 01:10:03,942
so, so much so like what a dog
would do, and it's infinitely

1408
01:10:04,042 --> 01:10:07,548
worse because the dog is super
strong oh my gosh, it's probably

1409
01:10:07,548 --> 01:10:10,975
, it's probably so painful like
having, you know, being recently

1410
01:10:10,975 --> 01:10:12,466
beaten like to a pulp.

1411
01:10:12,907 --> 01:10:16,833
Speaker 1: Uh, superman is like
incapable of walking and you

1412
01:10:16,873 --> 01:10:19,798
have this super dog just
breaking bones trying to play

1413
01:10:19,838 --> 01:10:20,145
with you.

1414
01:10:20,145 --> 01:10:21,868
Love that, it's so.

1415
01:10:22,069 --> 01:10:24,414
Speaker 2: It's so funny
actually that's one thing that I

1416
01:10:24,414 --> 01:10:25,037
didn't bring up.

1417
01:10:25,037 --> 01:10:28,811
That I liked about this movie
is that superman was not

1418
01:10:28,891 --> 01:10:29,472
overpowered.

1419
01:10:29,472 --> 01:10:32,158
That was always my issue with
superman.

1420
01:10:32,158 --> 01:10:37,573
They did give him, they did
give him a weakness, but super

1421
01:10:37,594 --> 01:10:41,119
Superman has always been just
overly strong.

1422
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:43,592
In the comic books he gets so
much stronger.

1423
01:10:44,104 --> 01:10:46,953
Speaker 1: They gave him
boundaries that he can play

1424
01:10:46,993 --> 01:10:47,314
around in.

1425
01:10:47,314 --> 01:10:51,990
He's still the strongest
super-powered being, I guess,

1426
01:10:52,051 --> 01:10:54,354
outside of the Hammer of Baravia
and or Ultraman and or Ultraman

1427
01:10:54,354 --> 01:10:57,557
, but I don't even know if
that's true, because I think

1428
01:10:57,618 --> 01:11:02,015
it's more that, like brain,
brain beats Braun and in that

1429
01:11:02,055 --> 01:11:05,228
scenario where, like, lex is
controlling Ultraman so that he

1430
01:11:05,309 --> 01:11:07,695
knows every move before Superman
takes it.

1431
01:11:07,695 --> 01:11:10,230
So I don't know that he's
necessarily stronger than

1432
01:11:10,291 --> 01:11:14,672
Superman, um, but but yeah, I,
as far as Superman's power level

1433
01:11:14,672 --> 01:11:17,113
goes, he's not infinitely
strong.

1434
01:11:17,314 --> 01:11:20,686
He does have an upper limit and
it is met several times in this

1435
01:11:20,726 --> 01:11:23,112
movie I, I also like that.

1436
01:11:23,453 --> 01:11:25,597
Speaker 2: The, the super bots
were like you know, we got to

1437
01:11:25,645 --> 01:11:29,913
give them a dose of the yellow
sun and like they magnified it,

1438
01:11:29,993 --> 01:11:33,707
so it was just like a straight
beam of sun, like hitting him,

1439
01:11:34,210 --> 01:11:38,621
like he was getting hit with a
pokemon solar beam and you know

1440
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,167
that that was like really cool,
like I liked that they did

1441
01:11:41,247 --> 01:11:44,957
something like that, um, and
then the the robots were also

1442
01:11:45,016 --> 01:11:46,207
like kind of funny, like you
know.

1443
01:11:46,247 --> 01:11:49,996
Speaker 1: Oh, we're incapable
of caring yeah, um, I didn't

1444
01:11:50,015 --> 01:11:53,850
really care for some of the
minions of lex luther.

1445
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:58,957
I thought that the film didn't
really need it, uh, and they

1446
01:11:58,978 --> 01:12:02,649
could have written around them,
but I guess it was cool to watch

1447
01:12:02,649 --> 01:12:04,792
, uh, but yeah, uh.

1448
01:12:04,792 --> 01:12:07,779
So, anyway, my, do you guys
have a favorite scene?

1449
01:12:08,627 --> 01:12:11,311
Speaker 3: I think or like a a
scene where you felt like this

1450
01:12:11,372 --> 01:12:15,948
is superman the he, he's up in
the air and it sounds ridiculous

1451
01:12:15,948 --> 01:12:19,728
because that he flies, but it's
the scene where the he almost

1452
01:12:19,747 --> 01:12:23,760
kind of I wouldn't say eclipses
the sun, but it's just like he

1453
01:12:23,859 --> 01:12:28,033
floats up and the screen is just
the sun, like like sunshine,

1454
01:12:28,073 --> 01:12:31,625
like wrapping around him and
enveloping him, and it just very

1455
01:12:31,625 --> 01:12:34,672
much reminded me of uh, I don't
know if you guys watched it,

1456
01:12:34,693 --> 01:12:38,650
but like when I was super young
my grandmother would record uh,

1457
01:12:38,811 --> 01:12:41,820
all of the old, or she would
find the old Superman cartoon

1458
01:12:41,841 --> 01:12:45,890
from the 1950s and then just
kind of the way he'd be up in

1459
01:12:45,911 --> 01:12:49,890
the air with the light, almost a
little bit like your background

1460
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:52,077
picture, dakota, that everyone
else can't see.

1461
01:12:52,586 --> 01:12:55,648
But just this, him being
enveloped, and that to me was

1462
01:12:55,688 --> 01:13:00,668
like that's Superman for me
being enveloped, and that to me

1463
01:13:00,689 --> 01:13:02,033
was like that's Superman for me.

1464
01:13:02,033 --> 01:13:03,618
You're talking about the max
max Fleischer animated stuff

1465
01:13:03,637 --> 01:13:06,927
from yes 40s right yeah, I think
so I'm trying to think.

1466
01:13:07,670 --> 01:13:09,835
Speaker 1: There's two scenes
that I can think of that kind of

1467
01:13:09,835 --> 01:13:11,246
work in that frame.

1468
01:13:11,345 --> 01:13:18,154
There's one where he's he throws
Ultraman into the, into that

1469
01:13:18,213 --> 01:13:23,021
like cavern, that, that tear in
reality, um, and then he kind of

1470
01:13:23,021 --> 01:13:28,257
like he descends onto the
screen and, uh, he's like light,

1471
01:13:28,257 --> 01:13:30,783
light shines through the
background or whatever there's

1472
01:13:30,823 --> 01:13:34,118
that one, and then there's the
scene that I like a lot, which

1473
01:13:34,279 --> 01:13:38,688
is right after he saves, uh,
that lady in the car and he like

1474
01:13:38,688 --> 01:13:41,297
busts out of like the rubble
and he's just floating and just

1475
01:13:41,358 --> 01:13:42,600
like aura farming for a second.

1476
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,962
I love that.

1477
01:13:43,962 --> 01:13:47,186
That's a gorgeous shot yeah, I
love that, anthony, do you have

1478
01:13:47,226 --> 01:13:47,747
a favorite scene?

1479
01:13:48,189 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: I liked a lot of the
scenes that that humanized

1480
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,908
superman, like the, the scene
with his parents, you know like

1481
01:13:56,929 --> 01:14:01,261
where he's like recovering or
where he was like kind of like

1482
01:14:01,322 --> 01:14:02,162
mentally beat up.

1483
01:14:02,342 --> 01:14:06,395
And you know, lois like was
talking to him, and then you saw

1484
01:14:06,395 --> 01:14:09,623
like that monster in the
background which was, like you

1485
01:14:09,644 --> 01:14:12,338
know, lois is like kind of like
addresses it too, like, oh, were

1486
01:14:12,338 --> 01:14:13,402
you helping him out over there?

1487
01:14:13,462 --> 01:14:16,559
And like you could just see like
the, just the, the justice gang

1488
01:14:16,559 --> 01:14:21,408
you know, beating up on on it,
um, but I I liked those moments

1489
01:14:21,488 --> 01:14:25,622
that, uh, you know, because,
like you had, um, you know, and

1490
01:14:25,681 --> 01:14:30,412
it also like showed a lot of of
what Superman was, which was we

1491
01:14:30,452 --> 01:14:31,755
focus so much on the super.

1492
01:14:31,755 --> 01:14:35,765
But, like you know, like this
is where, like the man part

1493
01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:40,238
shows and you know, like the,
the empathy, and he's like you

1494
01:14:40,257 --> 01:14:43,931
know the dog, you know he's's
like, you know I, I need, I need

1495
01:14:43,931 --> 01:14:45,036
to turn myself in.

1496
01:14:45,036 --> 01:14:48,304
You know they're gonna bring me
where the dog is, which was,

1497
01:14:48,363 --> 01:14:50,997
you know, which was like a
really good, like you know it

1498
01:14:51,037 --> 01:14:53,403
was good intuition, because
that's exactly what happened.

1499
01:14:53,403 --> 01:14:58,701
Yeah, man, I, I, I just I liked
those scenes and and uh, and it

1500
01:14:58,701 --> 01:15:03,509
really showing the, the, the
human side that that he grew up

1501
01:15:03,628 --> 01:15:06,795
with, and and um, yeah, man, the
humility.

1502
01:15:07,456 --> 01:15:10,002
Speaker 1: Jumping on what you
just said, anthony, I think that

1503
01:15:10,002 --> 01:15:15,359
scene, specifically um of him
and lois, encapsulates the

1504
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,966
personage of superman better
than anything else in the film,

1505
01:15:19,127 --> 01:15:23,404
because she's like arguing with
him about you know, like the

1506
01:15:23,444 --> 01:15:27,801
world is full of bad people, but
you look at every life as

1507
01:15:27,822 --> 01:15:31,962
something that's pure and
beautiful and that's literally

1508
01:15:32,002 --> 01:15:35,662
Superman, whether he's saving a
squirrel or he's going out and

1509
01:15:35,863 --> 01:15:36,706
chasing that dog.

1510
01:15:37,516 --> 01:15:39,929
Speaker 2: And he does that and
he saves a dog.

1511
01:15:39,929 --> 01:15:42,501
Yeah, he uses like the super
breath of bloom from like

1512
01:15:42,521 --> 01:15:43,404
another monster.

1513
01:15:43,404 --> 01:15:46,939
Yeah, dude, I was like it's so
funny because, like you see that

1514
01:15:46,939 --> 01:15:50,132
in like the, the animated
series, and you see stuff like

1515
01:15:50,153 --> 01:15:53,081
that in the comics, it's like so
yeah, like I mean he, he really

1516
01:15:53,081 --> 01:15:55,024
, he really does, and I don't
know.

1517
01:15:55,024 --> 01:15:58,341
Like I think that that's what I
really liked in in those

1518
01:15:58,440 --> 01:15:59,382
moments the.

1519
01:15:59,422 --> 01:16:01,796
Speaker 1: The scene that got me
, or like the line that got me

1520
01:16:02,176 --> 01:16:06,426
from that scene was um, I have,
I have the script up in front of

1521
01:16:06,426 --> 01:16:08,661
me, I'm going to turn myself in
.

1522
01:16:08,661 --> 01:16:10,983
Maybe they'll take me wherever
they took the dog.

1523
01:16:10,983 --> 01:16:15,715
And Lois goes it's just a dog
and Superman goes, I know, and

1524
01:16:15,734 --> 01:16:18,725
he's not even a very good one,
but he's alone and he's probably

1525
01:16:18,725 --> 01:16:20,560
scared and he just flies out.

1526
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,842
That's the most Superman thing
he could have said.

1527
01:16:22,842 --> 01:16:25,456
It's so brilliantly written.

1528
01:16:25,456 --> 01:16:27,380
I, I absolutely adore I.

1529
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:30,988
I went back to see the movie a
second time just for that scene.

1530
01:16:30,988 --> 01:16:35,002
It, you know, it pulls at the
heartstrings and it just makes

1531
01:16:35,664 --> 01:16:38,296
the movie for me and I, I feel
like I haven't seen that

1532
01:16:38,516 --> 01:16:42,845
superman on screen in a long
time and it's like uh yeah, you

1533
01:16:42,864 --> 01:16:43,806
have a well-behaved dog.

1534
01:16:43,926 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 3: I mean, my dog is you
have a crypto.

1535
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,467
You actually have I kind of
have like like.

1536
01:16:48,467 --> 01:16:51,417
Just just yesterday I was
sitting on the couch minding my

1537
01:16:51,478 --> 01:16:51,838
business.

1538
01:16:51,838 --> 01:16:55,006
The dog jumps up angrily, barks
at me like he's talking to me,

1539
01:16:55,395 --> 01:16:57,621
and then immediately pushes me
off the couch to bring him

1540
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,716
outside, just so that he could
run in figure eights.

1541
01:17:01,216 --> 01:17:03,980
Speaker 2: And I'm just like
what and then and then some dogs

1542
01:17:03,980 --> 01:17:03,980
.

1543
01:17:03,980 --> 01:17:08,668
I feel like they learn the art
of where to get a reaction out

1544
01:17:08,708 --> 01:17:13,386
of a man, Because they will
literally jump on your family

1545
01:17:13,445 --> 01:17:18,045
jewels and I don't know how they
have the aim for that, but they

1546
01:17:18,045 --> 01:17:22,864
always do it and you're in pain
for five minutes.

1547
01:17:24,716 --> 01:17:26,979
Speaker 1: But you can't deny
that, you can't deny their

1548
01:17:26,998 --> 01:17:27,340
presence.

1549
01:17:27,340 --> 01:17:28,688
That's the issue.

1550
01:17:28,990 --> 01:17:30,595
Speaker 2: Right, right, that's
what they've learned, you're

1551
01:17:30,615 --> 01:17:34,461
like dang you and like that is
like literally something that

1552
01:17:34,502 --> 01:17:35,323
crypto would do.

1553
01:17:35,944 --> 01:17:36,627
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

1554
01:17:38,277 --> 01:17:39,177
Speaker 2: Oh, something else
that.

1555
01:17:39,177 --> 01:17:44,869
What did you think about the
entrance of Rich's girl from his

1556
01:17:44,869 --> 01:17:49,501
favorite TV show, House of the
Dragon, Millie Alcock?

1557
01:17:50,002 --> 01:17:50,143
Speaker 1: as.

1558
01:17:50,604 --> 01:17:51,046
Speaker 2: Supergirl.

1559
01:17:51,916 --> 01:17:53,199
Speaker 1: You're asking me, or
Rich?

1560
01:17:54,061 --> 01:17:55,145
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rich.

1561
01:17:58,462 --> 01:18:00,962
Speaker 3: So I know that she
had been cast for it beforehand.

1562
01:18:00,962 --> 01:18:03,375
I didn't know that she was
going to appear in this movie

1563
01:18:04,396 --> 01:18:08,804
and then I did a little bit of
research on her and it kind of

1564
01:18:09,264 --> 01:18:13,952
the little we got although
comedic is going to probably be

1565
01:18:13,992 --> 01:18:16,296
further explained, obviously, in
her movie and we're going to

1566
01:18:16,395 --> 01:18:18,939
kind of deep dive into her there
.

1567
01:18:18,939 --> 01:18:23,326
Often like, if I have to be
honest with superhero movies, I

1568
01:18:23,527 --> 01:18:29,362
don't like when character actors
that I know portray uh the act

1569
01:18:29,402 --> 01:18:31,045
like the characters I like.

1570
01:18:31,045 --> 01:18:34,018
I didn't know anything about
chris hemsworth, for example, uh

1571
01:18:34,018 --> 01:18:35,542
beforehand and I was like, yeah
, that's great.

1572
01:18:35,542 --> 01:18:37,917
You know, like I didn't know
hugh jackman at all and although

1573
01:18:37,917 --> 01:18:39,360
he's too tall, I was like, yeah
, that's great.

1574
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,398
Uh, like you know, I don't love
the fact that pascal is in so

1575
01:18:42,417 --> 01:18:42,838
much stuff.

1576
01:18:42,838 --> 01:18:45,947
Um, I think it's almost like
I'm getting too much of him.

1577
01:18:45,947 --> 01:18:49,744
I want him to be one guy and I
know actors don't want that in

1578
01:18:49,784 --> 01:18:50,225
their lives.

1579
01:18:51,996 --> 01:18:53,582
Speaker 2: What's his one guy
for you, though?

1580
01:18:53,582 --> 01:18:56,984
Because, I remember him from
Game of Thrones.

1581
01:18:57,083 --> 01:19:00,461
Speaker 3: So see, yeah, I was
like, oh, it's the spear of.

1582
01:19:03,877 --> 01:19:06,725
Speaker 2: But then I liked him
a lot in the Mandalorian also.

1583
01:19:06,725 --> 01:19:11,582
So for me so you kind of
typecast people a little bit,

1584
01:19:11,743 --> 01:19:15,542
yeah, I do For me, it doesn't
bother me.

1585
01:19:15,542 --> 01:19:19,945
I've seen Nathan fill in so
many different things Firefly

1586
01:19:19,966 --> 01:19:22,302
and all that stuff and I think
he killed it as Guy Gardner.

1587
01:19:22,302 --> 01:19:23,158
I loved him as Guy Gardner.

1588
01:19:23,158 --> 01:19:24,150
I do think that Millie Alcock,
uh, firefly and all that stuff,

1589
01:19:24,114 --> 01:19:24,730
and I think he killed it as Guy
Gardner.

1590
01:19:24,730 --> 01:19:25,106
I loved him as Guy Gardner, you
know.

1591
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:28,917
Speaker 1: Oh, I do think that
Millie Alcock um her, her role

1592
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:37,006
as um Rhaenyra Targaryen is very
different from her portrayal of

1593
01:19:37,006 --> 01:19:42,865
super girl and I I think that
in itself is um good enough for

1594
01:19:42,905 --> 01:19:43,025
me.

1595
01:19:43,025 --> 01:19:47,640
You know, like I, that in
itself is um good enough for me.

1596
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,265
You know, like I even like the,
the look of the character, like

1597
01:19:49,265 --> 01:19:49,386
it's.

1598
01:19:49,386 --> 01:19:49,847
It's much more regal.

1599
01:19:49,847 --> 01:19:51,694
She's got the white hair and
and supergirl and all that or in

1600
01:19:51,694 --> 01:19:54,600
um house of the dragon but, do
you?

1601
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,988
do you still feel like that's a,
that's a very familiar face?

1602
01:19:57,988 --> 01:19:59,479
Is that like jumping out at you
?

1603
01:20:00,421 --> 01:20:03,149
Speaker 3: I mean I, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna need to see the movie,

1604
01:20:03,149 --> 01:20:05,438
right, obviously, the
appearance is the appearance,

1605
01:20:05,497 --> 01:20:09,069
right, like you know, like, uh,
we got what's his name, uh, the

1606
01:20:09,090 --> 01:20:12,378
guy who, I'm sorry, who was
supposed to play hercules, but

1607
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,427
it looks like he's never gonna
come out, right, uh, brett,

1608
01:20:16,534 --> 01:20:21,125
something, uh, he's, he's from,
uh, this is the worst podcast

1609
01:20:21,145 --> 01:20:22,167
ted lasso, ted lasso.

1610
01:20:22,167 --> 01:20:22,787
There we go right.

1611
01:20:22,787 --> 01:20:26,019
So he came on as hercules and
I'm like are you joking me?

1612
01:20:26,019 --> 01:20:29,707
Like that's the guy who curses
and plays soccer, uh, yeah you

1613
01:20:29,728 --> 01:20:30,015
know so.

1614
01:20:30,555 --> 01:20:33,242
Speaker 1: Or even better, uh,
in eternals, at the end of

1615
01:20:33,301 --> 01:20:37,395
eternals, when, um, uh, harry
styles comes out in a in an

1616
01:20:37,456 --> 01:20:38,677
outfit that doesn't even fit him
.

1617
01:20:38,677 --> 01:20:43,256
It doesn't, it's the outfit was
just like in the like he picked

1618
01:20:43,256 --> 01:20:46,779
it up off the the background of
some casting lot somewhere, put

1619
01:20:46,779 --> 01:20:50,587
it on, just walked on stage
very bizarre, and I don't think

1620
01:20:51,387 --> 01:20:51,734
you know what.

1621
01:20:51,734 --> 01:20:53,139
We probably will see him again.

1622
01:20:53,139 --> 01:20:54,141
That's that's what annoys me.

1623
01:20:54,141 --> 01:20:56,976
Um, but yeah, I don't know that
we're going to see hercules

1624
01:20:56,997 --> 01:21:00,283
again yeah, so so the movie.

1625
01:21:00,323 --> 01:21:02,509
Speaker 3: When her movie comes
out right like then, I'll be

1626
01:21:02,555 --> 01:21:05,282
able to probably comment a
little bit more, because there

1627
01:21:05,301 --> 01:21:07,247
was very little that we were
given here.

1628
01:21:07,247 --> 01:21:09,984
It was more Easter egg-y to me
than anything else.

1629
01:21:10,256 --> 01:21:12,614
Speaker 1: I do like her
character, though.

1630
01:21:12,614 --> 01:21:16,462
I love the irreverence that
she's just like an angsty

1631
01:21:16,502 --> 01:21:19,988
teenager going to parties and
leaving her dog for weeks on end

1632
01:21:19,988 --> 01:21:19,988
.

1633
01:21:20,354 --> 01:21:22,016
Speaker 3: Well, can I comment
more on?

1634
01:21:22,056 --> 01:21:23,158
Speaker 1: that, no, rich, you
can't Go ahead.

1635
01:21:23,158 --> 01:21:23,918
Can I comment more on that?

1636
01:21:23,918 --> 01:21:24,579
No, rich, you can't Go ahead.

1637
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,622
Speaker 3: Well, so I've been
reading a little bit about the

1638
01:21:26,662 --> 01:21:28,564
character and the character.

1639
01:21:28,564 --> 01:21:33,849
So she so actually her city
like floated up from Krypton

1640
01:21:33,889 --> 01:21:40,657
before it exploded or before it
got destroyed, so she actually

1641
01:21:40,676 --> 01:21:41,881
had like a Kryptonian experience
a little bit longer.

1642
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:43,868
Speaker 1: and then, um, the
reason she goes to these red

1643
01:21:43,908 --> 01:21:47,720
planets is because she's
grieving and she wants to be

1644
01:21:47,779 --> 01:21:52,453
able to get drunk to drink the
pain away to drink the sorrow,

1645
01:21:52,472 --> 01:21:56,261
so she's not just partying
because she's like a wayward

1646
01:21:56,301 --> 01:22:01,197
teen, it's because she's uh
really going through it and, uh,

1647
01:22:01,197 --> 01:22:05,166
that's when I think it'll be
interesting to see the actor's

1648
01:22:05,305 --> 01:22:08,925
portrayal of the character and
then maybe she will become in my

1649
01:22:08,925 --> 01:22:12,457
eyes, maybe she'll be super you
know, super girl before she's

1650
01:22:12,939 --> 01:22:15,270
before it's interesting because
there's definitely some weird

1651
01:22:15,331 --> 01:22:19,304
like time dilation stuff with
her where, um, she was a

1652
01:22:19,363 --> 01:22:23,055
teenager when her planet
exploded, um, or a young adult I

1653
01:22:23,055 --> 01:22:23,792
don't know what, what they're
going to do with that whereas

1654
01:22:23,737 --> 01:22:24,270
clark was a baby um, her planet
exploded or a young adult I

1655
01:22:24,216 --> 01:22:25,037
don't know what what they're
going to do with that Whereas

1656
01:22:25,096 --> 01:22:29,703
Clark was a baby and now Clark
is the older one and she's the

1657
01:22:29,722 --> 01:22:30,244
younger one.

1658
01:22:30,414 --> 01:22:33,557
So the roles have reversed in
some weird, strange like time

1659
01:22:33,578 --> 01:22:37,074
dilation mayhem of like
subjective reality.

1660
01:22:37,074 --> 01:22:41,216
But I want to see how they play
that in in the movies and I'm

1661
01:22:41,256 --> 01:22:45,917
excited because I do like her
irreverent attitude, you know

1662
01:22:46,037 --> 01:22:49,704
just you know, coming back for
her dog and you know what that's

1663
01:22:49,704 --> 01:22:50,246
actually.

1664
01:22:50,667 --> 01:22:52,738
Speaker 2: You know that that's
actually something that's like

1665
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,671
really cool, that could be
explored, like the.

1666
01:22:55,671 --> 01:22:57,938
You know that you're talking
about the time dilation.

1667
01:22:57,938 --> 01:23:01,246
You know, obviously she's going
to these different galaxies and

1668
01:23:01,246 --> 01:23:04,644
you know, with the travel
between the galaxies and all

1669
01:23:04,663 --> 01:23:08,041
that stuff, you know her aging,
yeah, could, could be slowing

1670
01:23:08,081 --> 01:23:12,376
down compared to clark, who's
just mainly on earth it might be

1671
01:23:12,376 --> 01:23:15,322
the yellow sun like is like a
growth agent.

1672
01:23:15,322 --> 01:23:21,000
Uh, you know, like chloroplasts
and stuff so yeah, no that

1673
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:22,764
that'll be getting real sci-fi
here folks.

1674
01:23:23,204 --> 01:23:26,935
Speaker 1: Sorry, we're bringing
in chloroplasts here.

1675
01:23:26,935 --> 01:23:33,363
Guys, I think we should bring
this podcast to a close, but not

1676
01:23:33,363 --> 01:23:36,246
before Anyone else have
anything to say.

1677
01:23:36,246 --> 01:23:37,106
I'm good.

1678
01:23:37,747 --> 01:23:38,628
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm good.

1679
01:23:39,349 --> 01:23:49,662
Speaker 1: I want to bring up
one last scene, specifically

1680
01:23:49,882 --> 01:23:51,730
when Guy Gardner opened up the
eye of the kaiju.

1681
01:23:51,730 --> 01:23:59,716
That was a reference to this
podcast on how we always say

1682
01:23:59,737 --> 01:24:01,298
things are juicy, because when
he was poking the eyeball it was

1683
01:24:01,298 --> 01:24:01,699
a very juicy thing.

1684
01:24:01,699 --> 01:24:03,041
So, guys, if you liked the show
today, you like our podcast.

1685
01:24:03,041 --> 01:24:05,703
You want to see it relayed to
more folks.

1686
01:24:05,703 --> 01:24:09,930
Please be sure to give us a
juicy, eye-wateringly juicy,

1687
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:11,270
five-star review.

1688
01:24:12,855 --> 01:24:15,002
You know something that you
wouldn't want to poke your eyes

1689
01:24:15,061 --> 01:24:16,525
with, but you'd want to poke
your ears with.

1690
01:24:16,525 --> 01:24:20,363
Thanks so much for listening to
us here for our 126th episode

1691
01:24:20,484 --> 01:24:21,567
of Project Ecology.

1692
01:24:21,567 --> 01:24:26,256
Again, this is Dakota signing
off with Anthony and Rich, and

1693
01:24:26,296 --> 01:24:27,880
we hope you enjoyed our show.

1694
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,305
If you want to check out any of
our socials, be sure to click

1695
01:24:30,346 --> 01:24:32,462
down into the show notes for
more.

1696
01:24:32,462 --> 01:24:33,546
Thanks, guys.

1697
01:24:33,546 --> 01:24:34,992
See you next week.

1698
01:24:35,673 --> 01:24:38,926
Speaker 3: Bye, the Wolverine
Perfect.