WEBVTT 00:00:00.059 --> 00:00:07.634 Three centuries ago, the first superpowered beings known as metahumans appeared on Earth, ushering in a new age of gods and monsters. 00:00:07.634 --> 00:00:14.612 Three decades ago, an extraterrestrial baby was sent in a spacecraft to Earth and adopted by Kansas farmers. 00:00:14.612 --> 00:00:30.405 Three years ago, the baby, now grown, announced himself as Dakota, the first host of Project Ecology, and I'm joined, as always, with the first host of Project Ecology and I'm joined, as always, with Anthony. 00:00:30.425 --> 00:00:33.912 You know I've been spending some time at a convention in a galaxy with a red sun, so you know I've just been having a good time. 00:00:33.912 --> 00:00:35.021 You know how? 00:00:35.021 --> 00:00:36.043 How about you? 00:00:36.043 --> 00:00:38.890 Uh, you know, let me send you over to our third host. 00:00:39.290 --> 00:00:39.591 Rich. 00:00:39.591 --> 00:00:52.008 I've been just basically working photography for a little bit lately and I have been, just, you know, dating all the girls because I'm a human, but I do work at a newspaper. 00:00:52.008 --> 00:00:54.969 That's what I've been doing over the last couple of weeks, since you guys haven't heard us. 00:00:55.299 --> 00:00:56.524 That's how you get the girls. 00:00:56.826 --> 00:00:56.947 Yes. 00:00:57.901 --> 00:01:02.192 Guys, we are covering Superman today, the 2025 film by James Gunn. 00:01:02.192 --> 00:01:07.051 It's the start of the DCU on the big screen. 00:01:07.051 --> 00:01:14.373 Obviously, creature Commandos came out last year, I believe, or earlier this year, I forget, but yeah. 00:01:14.373 --> 00:01:26.112 So this is the first time that we're seeing this new superhero universe on screen, or semi-new, but we'll get to that later and, yeah, I'm excited to dive into this. 00:01:26.112 --> 00:01:29.429 Anthony, you said this was episode 126 of Project Ecology. 00:01:29.810 --> 00:01:30.331 Correct. 00:01:30.859 --> 00:01:31.924 Congratulations, folks. 00:01:31.924 --> 00:01:54.367 You're witnessing in real time episode 126 of Project Ecology, but not in real time because we're recording this earlier, guys, before we talk about Superman, which I think we're all kind of really jazzed about, and I think there's a definite vibe shift in the conversation so far, and I think it's because we're all hopped up on coffee and it's the first thing in the morning. 00:01:55.009 --> 00:02:02.471 Yeah, man, this is the first thing we're doing today is recording a podcast. 00:02:02.471 --> 00:02:05.605 We haven't done a morning podcast in a long time In a long time. 00:02:05.659 --> 00:02:07.548 I think this is the first morning podcast for Rich. 00:02:08.259 --> 00:02:09.163 Yep 100%. 00:02:09.586 --> 00:02:10.087 All right, guys. 00:02:10.087 --> 00:02:16.671 Yeah, so we have a lot to catch up on because we have been away for a couple weeks as a team. 00:02:16.671 --> 00:02:23.068 I know, anthony, you released the Crunchyroll mini-sode last week, so, guys, check that out, if you haven't already. 00:02:23.068 --> 00:02:32.730 A deep dive into the early stages of crunchyroll and how it became what it is today it's crunchy it's, it's crunchy. 00:02:32.730 --> 00:02:37.730 Yeah, yes, yes, be sure to give that a five-star crunchy review when you get the chance. 00:02:37.730 --> 00:02:42.467 Anthony, what have you been up to this past couple weeks? 00:02:43.829 --> 00:02:49.284 well, the the reason why we're we're doing, uh, we're actually recording on a sunday morning. 00:02:49.284 --> 00:02:51.151 We usually record on wednesday nights. 00:02:51.151 --> 00:02:57.824 Um, my, my mom came into town so I I was unable to record earlier in the week. 00:02:57.824 --> 00:03:18.144 But you know, also, the reason why I haven't been able to to record in the evenings, on uh, friday, saturday or today, is that I've been going to a convention this weekend, man, I've been going to Supercon and, yeah, man, I, I've, I've been enjoying myself. 00:03:18.144 --> 00:03:24.742 You know I'll, uh, we'll have to, you know, definitely expand a little bit more on that. 00:03:24.742 --> 00:03:26.649 You know I'm there with a press pass. 00:03:26.649 --> 00:03:31.953 Thank you, fans of Project Ecology. 00:03:31.953 --> 00:03:34.588 I would not be able to do it if it weren't for you all. 00:03:34.588 --> 00:03:39.646 But, yeah, no, man, that's where I'm going to head, right after this. 00:03:39.646 --> 00:03:46.697 We're going to record this and then I'll get ready, maybe take a shower and head out. 00:03:46.717 --> 00:03:56.436 Man, All right, so we're recording a super early podcast for Superman and then you're going to get super ready to go to Supercon. 00:03:56.436 --> 00:03:58.986 Yes, that's what I'm on this Super Sunday. 00:03:59.427 --> 00:04:01.503 Yes, it's a super podcast man. 00:04:01.905 --> 00:04:03.629 Yeah, I love that yeah. 00:04:03.629 --> 00:04:08.701 Awesome bro, it's a super podcast man. 00:04:08.701 --> 00:04:09.044 Yeah, I love that. 00:04:09.044 --> 00:04:09.727 Yeah, awesome bro, that's uh. 00:04:09.727 --> 00:04:11.877 We'll have to touch, touch base on you in a little bit just to see how super con is going rich. 00:04:11.877 --> 00:04:13.705 What do you, what have you been up to? 00:04:13.705 --> 00:04:13.764 Uh? 00:04:13.805 --> 00:04:16.475 surprisingly not too much baseball because we were on an all-star break. 00:04:16.475 --> 00:04:16.978 Uh. 00:04:16.978 --> 00:04:22.295 So just uh kind of relaxing I'm, uh my son's at camp all-star super break. 00:04:22.295 --> 00:04:24.423 Yes, all-star, super, all-star break. 00:04:24.423 --> 00:04:28.827 Or we did have a lot of number of mets playing in the game, but I will not regale you guys with all of that. 00:04:28.827 --> 00:04:35.500 My son's been away at camp, so it's a little weird, because the house is kind of empty uh, but I it's so quiet it is weird. 00:04:35.779 --> 00:04:42.889 I've uh, I think I told you guys I commandeered the switch too for my son, so I've been playing uh breath of the wild. 00:04:42.889 --> 00:04:57.492 He had kind of bullied me into facing Ganon before I did my completionist stuff, so I went back to my save and I've been playing that a lot and I just bought Days Gone Remastered. 00:04:57.492 --> 00:05:03.964 It's one of my favorite games from the Xbox 360, I believe it was on at first, or maybe it was PS5. 00:05:03.964 --> 00:05:05.425 I really enjoyed it. 00:05:05.425 --> 00:05:06.521 You're basically yours. 00:05:06.521 --> 00:05:08.507 Uh, what's the same? 00:05:08.507 --> 00:05:14.983 Who's the guy who did the voice of uh, who does a lot of voice acting in star wars? 00:05:15.704 --> 00:05:21.500 uh, sam witwer or something yeah, sam witwer yeah, so he's the main character in the game. 00:05:21.500 --> 00:05:22.985 It's his likeness and everything. 00:05:22.985 --> 00:05:25.831 Uh, so he, I just love the game. 00:05:25.831 --> 00:05:35.706 It's basically a zombie apocalypse and you have a motorcycle and you can upgrade the motorcycle to help you uh, you know survive. 00:05:35.706 --> 00:05:38.370 And then there's kind of a con. 00:05:38.370 --> 00:05:39.959 There's a little bit of a story in there. 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:42.442 It's not just like random zombie apocalypse stuff. 00:05:42.442 --> 00:05:44.846 There's actually like a thread going through it. 00:05:44.846 --> 00:05:46.348 So I really enjoy it. 00:05:46.348 --> 00:05:48.129 If you guys haven't played it before, I haven't played it. 00:05:48.149 --> 00:05:48.630 Yeah, that sounds. 00:05:48.630 --> 00:05:49.752 It's not just like random zombie apocalypse stuff. 00:05:49.851 --> 00:05:51.713 There's actually like a thread going through it, so I really enjoy it. 00:05:51.713 --> 00:05:53.377 If you guys haven't played it before, I haven't played it. 00:05:53.377 --> 00:05:54.257 Yeah, that sounds awesome. 00:05:54.257 --> 00:05:56.160 It is way worth it, because it's remastered now so it looks a lot better. 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:17.651 But I mean, I watched a video that kind of described it as you being MacGyver, like a MacGyver in the zombie apocalypse, because you just have these hordes and when I say hordes I'm talking like on the screen you'll see like 70 zombies coming at you, like you'll see these. 00:06:17.651 --> 00:06:18.028 I mean these, these hordes are. 00:06:18.028 --> 00:06:22.879 Quite honestly, I can't remember the last time that I played a game and I don't like to play a lot of horror games but that I played a game where I was gripped with anxiety. 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:26.665 As I'm playing it, I'm like, oh, that horde, I have to get away. 00:06:26.665 --> 00:06:28.129 You know, just like panic. 00:06:28.129 --> 00:06:33.526 Uh, it's a great game, uh, so highly recommended I haven't felt that way since playing. 00:06:33.548 --> 00:06:48.627 Need for speed underground too, I'm telling you you might actually just kidding you got me again, you got me you gotta it was you gotta go back to left for dead too, man, you know all those zombie hordes and need for speed man. 00:06:49.548 --> 00:06:53.668 I, that actually does sound like a really good time and, uh, I'm sure my, my wife, would love that. 00:06:53.668 --> 00:07:02.463 Um, being the the baby that she is, she can't even watch like a scary trailer for a movie, like she'll have to, like close her eyes in a theater or else she'll have literal nightmares for days. 00:07:02.463 --> 00:07:06.281 But, yeah, that would be fun to subject it with. 00:07:06.281 --> 00:07:07.142 Let's see. 00:07:07.142 --> 00:07:12.997 I, uh am probably the primary reason we were not able to record last. 00:07:12.997 --> 00:07:15.144 I was the primary reason we could not record. 00:07:15.144 --> 00:07:16.528 I was not at my house. 00:07:16.528 --> 00:07:20.980 I was, um, in my second home that I rent from mickey mouse. 00:07:20.980 --> 00:07:23.887 I went to, uh, walt disney worlds. 00:07:23.887 --> 00:07:33.750 I I went with my brother-in-law and his girlfriend's first time, like you know, doing a trip with with them, and that was fun. 00:07:33.750 --> 00:07:50.019 It's always fun going somewhere where you're very familiar with everything and showing other people the ropes, whether it's Rich, I'm sure you've brought a bunch of people to Citi Field for the first time and like oh, here's where this is. 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:51.505 It's my favorite thing to know. 00:07:51.505 --> 00:07:53.367 It's the best, it's the best. 00:07:53.579 --> 00:08:11.271 So being able to share experiences with other people is like one of like the coolest things about anything that you can be a part of, that you can be a part of and, yeah, doing something as like big and grandiose and expensive as Walt Disney World. 00:08:11.271 --> 00:08:17.151 It's fun, it's a good time, you know, looking at everything for the first time through someone else's eyes. 00:08:17.151 --> 00:08:42.226 So that was cool and, yeah, other than that, I think Superman Superman is the big thing that happened over the past couple weeks and it's become something I've been thinking a lot about and I'm happy that we're covering it this week because I need to talk about it to someone you know, I guess, before we jump into our discussion of Superman. 00:08:42.226 --> 00:08:44.793 Anthony, what are some of the panels and stuff that you've been to? 00:08:44.793 --> 00:08:46.384 What are some of the people you've met with? 00:08:46.384 --> 00:08:50.524 Press pass, um, I want to hear some experiences from supercon. 00:08:50.524 --> 00:08:51.404 What's going on over there? 00:08:51.886 --> 00:08:54.832 well, with supercon, I I kind of want to. 00:08:54.832 --> 00:08:58.591 I want to like wait until you know. 00:08:58.591 --> 00:09:01.659 Like I, I want to like give more of a comprehensive like coverage on it. 00:09:01.659 --> 00:09:12.201 But some of the panels that that I've gone to like, I've gone to like some of the to cosplay contest, believe it or not, like there's, there was a lost one. 00:09:12.201 --> 00:09:14.546 You know, you know who's at this convention? 00:09:14.546 --> 00:09:19.136 Uh, josh holloway sawyer oh, I love sawyer. 00:09:20.298 --> 00:09:22.864 Oh, john boyega is actually here too. 00:09:22.864 --> 00:09:24.086 Was he at the last panel? 00:09:24.086 --> 00:09:29.575 No, no, no, no, but um, they, they've had a. 00:09:29.575 --> 00:09:33.349 There's been a a couple different panels there's. 00:09:33.349 --> 00:09:36.375 There's also some of the. 00:09:36.797 --> 00:09:50.530 There's the voice actors for yugi and kaiba from yugioh we also have uh, they, he plays the same person or he plays two different people in the same show no, no, no, no like oh, there's two separate. 00:09:50.571 --> 00:09:56.304 Yeah, oh, okay okay, okay and uh, we also have uh and this is. 00:09:56.304 --> 00:10:05.687 This is like you know, he's well known, but uh, chris sabbat and he yeah he does the, the voices of like, well, most notably with us. 00:10:05.687 --> 00:10:11.086 Growing up he did vegeta and dragon ball z, but then he also does. 00:10:11.788 --> 00:10:16.580 He also does all my uh from my hero, yami from black clover. 00:10:16.580 --> 00:10:19.423 So he, yeah, he, he's well known. 00:10:19.423 --> 00:10:22.148 And there's also eric veil that's there. 00:10:22.148 --> 00:10:43.172 He's done a lot also, most notably Sanji from, or also Chris Abbott does Zorro from One Piece, and then Eric Vale does Sanji from One Piece among like several other characters, and there's also a couple people that do voices and you know persona. 00:10:43.172 --> 00:10:45.501 You know I got a what's that? 00:10:46.003 --> 00:10:50.765 you know if you go if you go back to the hundreds of podcasts that we've covered. 00:10:50.765 --> 00:10:52.350 You know that that'll refresh you. 00:10:52.871 --> 00:11:26.110 Okay, I will but uh, but yeah, man, it's, it's, it's been fun or as you would pronounce it in spanish persona oh persona I know, yeah, it's a good golden but yeah, dude, and uh, I've just been, I've been trying to, I've I've also kind of been like thinking of you know who I want to cosplay next, like because you know I've done, I've done obi-wan several times, but I want to do somebody from from one piece, you know, and so I'm still trying to like figure that stuff out. 00:11:26.110 --> 00:11:29.527 But yeah, man, it's, it's been a good time. 00:11:29.527 --> 00:11:32.832 I definitely want to cover, cover it, cover it. 00:11:32.832 --> 00:11:44.092 But you know, still in the midst of it, you know I'm going to be heading back there after after we're done recording, maybe not right away, you know, but but I'll, I'll head there. 00:11:44.092 --> 00:11:45.586 I think they open up at 10. 00:11:45.586 --> 00:11:49.350 I'll probably get there, probably by noon um how far is it? 00:11:49.370 --> 00:11:55.767 from you it's not terribly far, depending on traffic, I mean today it should only take me. 00:11:55.767 --> 00:12:01.601 It should take me about like 45 minutes to get there and guys, it's only five miles away. 00:12:02.003 --> 00:12:03.344 that's how, how bad Miami traffic is. 00:12:03.364 --> 00:12:07.668 Oh my gosh, dude Can you imagine I'm kidding, it's a Miami beach. 00:12:07.668 --> 00:12:09.130 That's what makes it terrible. 00:12:09.390 --> 00:12:11.474 It's terrible, yeah, even on a Sunday. 00:12:11.474 --> 00:12:14.037 It's just Florida, man, it's just so skinny. 00:12:16.764 --> 00:12:18.049 There's only one road that you can go on. 00:12:18.049 --> 00:12:29.594 Oh man, one of the very few reasons why I go to Miami beach, miami beach, other than that I don't, I'd never go there, dude, I went to a raising canes yesterday and it was like literally a club. 00:12:29.594 --> 00:12:30.054 That's bizarre dude. 00:12:30.054 --> 00:12:30.596 It had a dj in there. 00:12:30.596 --> 00:12:33.565 I'm like I've never been to a raising canes that had a dj in there. 00:12:33.565 --> 00:12:36.010 Like I'm like what is going on? 00:12:36.010 --> 00:12:40.142 But it made sense because it was miami beach, so like I mean, you really don't know. 00:12:40.162 --> 00:12:42.163 I'm sorry, that still doesn't make sense, anthony, it's still. 00:12:42.163 --> 00:12:42.303 It't. 00:12:42.764 --> 00:12:46.787 It's a racing game no, no, no, dude, Like Miami Beach, they're extra. 00:12:46.787 --> 00:12:47.408 That's what. 00:12:47.528 --> 00:12:48.528 I know, I know. 00:12:48.807 --> 00:12:54.211 That's like thinking chickens roaming around down in South Florida or you know it's. 00:12:54.211 --> 00:13:05.044 You know, rich, we have chickens in South Florida like just roaming the streets and peacocks and peacocks, yeah, and peacocks, and peacocks, yeah and peacocks. 00:13:05.044 --> 00:13:06.947 Actually there's probably more peacocks than there are chickens like dude. 00:13:06.967 --> 00:13:13.105 It's crazy, the the further you go out like to like the, to like the red lit redlands slash like. 00:13:13.105 --> 00:13:16.192 You start going towards, like the everglades and stuff man. 00:13:16.192 --> 00:13:31.990 You like you see a lot of peacocks, man them day and then them dang rich people bro, they're bringing them peacocks over bro I don't know about that, all that noise, but but the chickens are are definitely from, like all the migrants yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:13:32.952 --> 00:13:33.293 Another. 00:13:33.293 --> 00:13:41.083 Another thing that's actually like changed the ecosystem quite a bit in the past, like decade or two, is like the iguana issue that you guys have in south florida dude. 00:13:41.384 --> 00:14:03.360 Oh, it's the best it's out of control it has given us so much joy to watch, like, honestly, one of my charlie's favorite things to do when he was, like I don't know, maybe it was during pandemic, right during that, uh, that era he he's just loved watching videos of iguanas falling off trees in florida yeah, yeah, because they get so cold, they just they're literally. 00:14:03.740 --> 00:14:08.168 Their body temperature just drops to nothing and they just fall out of trees and hit people. 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:14.149 I think it's sad to say that Florida is the Australia of the United States. 00:14:14.490 --> 00:14:28.812 Oh, 100%, oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's cool it with the Florida discussion, because Florida, I don't think, has anything to do with the discussion at hand today oh, he doesn't visit in in the movie. 00:14:28.832 --> 00:14:29.955 What's the florida? 00:14:30.716 --> 00:14:46.149 no, that was boravia oh, I thought he had a south florida man oh, actually they do visit florida, yeah, when they go into um that pocket universe there's a lot of side. 00:14:46.149 --> 00:14:49.312 There's a lot of florida men in this, in that pocket universe. 00:14:49.452 --> 00:14:58.890 It was, it was yeah, I mean, uh, peacekeeper's dad could be like a Florida man, I okay. 00:14:59.071 --> 00:14:59.611 I could believe it. 00:14:59.611 --> 00:15:06.461 All right, guys, let's talk about Superman 2025, james Gunn Off the cuff. 00:15:06.461 --> 00:15:09.390 What are your first opinions? 00:15:09.390 --> 00:15:12.568 Like, dislike, ambivalent Anthony. 00:15:12.568 --> 00:15:13.090 Let's start with you. 00:15:14.301 --> 00:15:16.327 Well, I'm going to start on the cuff, you know. 00:15:19.441 --> 00:15:19.741 Why was? 00:15:19.761 --> 00:15:21.028 that so funny to me Sorry. 00:15:23.441 --> 00:15:33.923 We should do morning shows more often coffee's like, actually like making this a lot more fun you know, for for me, I was coming into it, you know, cautious, cautiously optimistic. 00:15:34.787 --> 00:15:36.591 You know I wasn't too sure. 00:15:36.591 --> 00:15:41.464 I felt like the, the, I felt like the trailers weren't really like. 00:15:41.464 --> 00:15:44.933 I guess the trailers didn't really do the movie justice. 00:15:44.933 --> 00:15:48.462 But you know, I started to see the reviews come in. 00:15:48.462 --> 00:15:51.570 I was like okay, so it must be like pretty, pretty decent. 00:15:51.570 --> 00:15:53.942 But yeah, I mean so so far. 00:15:53.942 --> 00:16:01.943 Or, you know, like my, my, my thoughts, like after the movie was like you know, that was surprisingly better than I expected. 00:16:01.943 --> 00:16:07.052 You know it, it, you know a lot of, I mean you. 00:16:07.052 --> 00:16:12.620 You also hear, like a lot of people which you know, for me, like I don't care what, like, if I enjoy something, I enjoy something. 00:16:12.620 --> 00:16:16.496 But you know, I think that that was like the same case for a lot of people. 00:16:16.496 --> 00:16:19.184 A lot of people are like, ah, this movie, I don't think it's gonna be good. 00:16:19.767 --> 00:16:35.794 And then, like you know, they leave thinking like, oh, wow, this was actually good yeah, I think um know, just jumping off of what you just said there a lot of people going into this film are looking at the trailers, looking at the promotional material, looking at the tone of the film. 00:16:35.794 --> 00:16:37.037 There's a lot going on. 00:16:37.037 --> 00:16:50.620 There's a lot that happens in this film and from an outsider looking in it doesn't look like it will all cohesively mix, but we'll talk about whether or not it works in a little bit Rich. 00:16:50.620 --> 00:16:53.048 What are your initial thoughts? 00:16:53.802 --> 00:16:54.465 I really liked it. 00:16:54.465 --> 00:16:59.793 I had moments of like F yeah, man, that's Superman. 00:16:59.793 --> 00:17:06.012 There were those moments where I kind of I think my heart jumped a little bit. 00:17:06.012 --> 00:17:08.279 I was like, oh, that's Superman. 00:17:08.961 --> 00:17:09.683 You know and. 00:17:09.805 --> 00:17:10.888 I'm a Smallville guy. 00:17:10.888 --> 00:17:16.587 I mean I didn't really get into the DCEU much, I watched a couple of them and whatever. 00:17:16.587 --> 00:17:20.651 But I was a big Smallville guy, like really into it. 00:17:20.651 --> 00:17:24.150 I also watched Lois and Clark. 00:17:24.150 --> 00:17:30.332 I really loved, kind of really loved that show just because it was like superman content and I downloaded it. 00:17:30.332 --> 00:17:32.821 Yeah, I really like this movie. 00:17:32.821 --> 00:17:35.631 And then, you know, this kind of forced me and we'll talk about it later. 00:17:35.631 --> 00:17:44.372 But I went back and, as I often do, I get into my my content, uh, like world spirals, yeah spirals. 00:17:44.451 --> 00:17:58.351 So I, you know, I immediately went home and you started watching, you know, started watching tons of dc content, uh, but, you know, after watching a number of those movies, I like a lot about this. 00:17:58.351 --> 00:18:03.423 I like the colors, um, and this is even something that my you know, my wife's complained about. 00:18:03.423 --> 00:18:06.972 But just the darkness that we have so many of these movies in. 00:18:06.972 --> 00:18:14.799 You know, part of comic books for me is the color, is the brightness right is that they kind of look ridiculous in their costumes. 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:23.313 So I love so much about this, and that's not even talking about the dog, yet that changes everything yeah. 00:18:23.473 --> 00:18:33.940 I'm gonna they were probably I think originally the dceu was probably trying to tap into like the edginess of marvel, but that only works for marvel. 00:18:33.940 --> 00:18:35.563 You know that's not dc. 00:18:35.563 --> 00:18:38.448 I mean dc can get dark, you know. 00:18:38.448 --> 00:18:43.324 I mean as as we've seen with the batman, but I mean superman. 00:18:43.324 --> 00:18:47.000 Come on, dude, superman is like mostly bright colors. 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:47.602 I do. 00:18:48.123 --> 00:18:58.161 I do think that the dc universe is slightly more mature, leaning than marvel's um output. 00:18:58.161 --> 00:19:02.909 Marvel can get dark and dc definitely can get dark, or is dark. 00:19:02.909 --> 00:19:06.174 You know, like the, the entire backbone of their mythos. 00:19:06.174 --> 00:19:09.930 Uh, there's a whole city that's only ever like shown in darkness. 00:19:09.930 --> 00:19:15.009 You know, like you never see Gotham during the daytime, it's never, yeah, never, yeah. 00:19:15.150 --> 00:19:19.163 I always thought that was like funny, uh, but well, I mean. 00:19:19.163 --> 00:19:41.922 But but also, like you know, I always saw like, yeah, you know, I always saw like, yeah, you know, like marvel was, you know, it was like the, the teenager of comics, you know, whereas dc was like you know, your your grandfather's comics, you know it's that, that's like the okay, older, you know yeah, like you said, there's a lot of there's a lot of truth to that. 00:19:42.082 --> 00:19:46.992 It is like more mature, but then the colors are like Rich said, it's brighter. 00:19:46.992 --> 00:19:59.893 And they tried to get visually dark with the DCEU and it just didn't work, man, I mean along with the writing, but they really brightened up the Superman and it worked. 00:19:59.893 --> 00:20:02.219 And I'm going to be honest with you. 00:20:02.219 --> 00:20:10.894 And I'm going to be honest with you, like, I really do think that that Henry Cavill was a fantastic Superman, but he just like he didn't have good writers for him. 00:20:11.340 --> 00:20:14.529 And if he had really good writers, I think he would have knocked it out of the park bro. 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:28.296 But it's heartbreaking for him, to be honest, Like that's the one thing that I take away from, like my, my deep dive not super deep dive, but my, you know, going back and watching a lot of the movies was man Like he was. 00:20:28.296 --> 00:20:31.826 He was so good and it's just so dealt with beforehand. 00:20:31.907 --> 00:20:32.147 Yeah. 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.734 So it's a shame that he you know he's not on this. 00:20:34.734 --> 00:20:35.519 He's obviously. 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.269 He made the decision to pull himself out of witcher because he did. 00:20:38.269 --> 00:20:46.951 He disagreed with the content, but he's just like such a consummate professional that really deep dives into these things that it's a shame that he's not. 00:20:46.951 --> 00:20:48.512 And he's a fan, he's obviously. 00:20:48.512 --> 00:20:50.855 Yeah, that's the big yeah, yeah. 00:20:50.900 --> 00:20:52.907 So I, I I'm in agreement with you guys. 00:20:52.907 --> 00:21:06.102 I I also think that Henry Cavill had what it took to be a great Superman, and in many ways he was a great Superman in a world where he wasn't written very well or he wasn't written like superman. 00:21:06.102 --> 00:21:07.144 You know, he wasn't written. 00:21:07.144 --> 00:21:19.734 Um, I think the the worst thing about, uh, man of steel and batman versus superman, everything is that I never bought his interpretation of clark kent. 00:21:19.734 --> 00:21:23.468 You know it didn't ever feel like clark to me. 00:21:23.768 --> 00:21:37.932 He's not bumbling enough not bumbling enough, too much aura farming, not giddy enough, you know, and we got that with this film and I'm excited to to jump into that and again, I, I like henry cavill as an actor. 00:21:38.233 --> 00:21:43.767 Um, I like his uh look for superman and I wish that he had better material to work with. 00:21:43.767 --> 00:21:49.425 And that's not to say that this film is necessarily like top tier material always. 00:21:49.425 --> 00:21:54.461 You know it's quite goofy in some places and we'll discuss that. 00:21:54.461 --> 00:22:13.392 But I just, like Rich said, this is Superman watching this and you know the smile you get at certain scenes, the heart-rending moments that you get just from him saying something nice is superman to to like the core. 00:22:13.392 --> 00:22:14.801 And we're also smallville. 00:22:14.801 --> 00:22:17.372 Uh, anthony and I grew up on smallville. 00:22:17.372 --> 00:22:17.973 Like there were. 00:22:17.973 --> 00:22:28.339 There were many a weekend where, like, we would just have the dvd box set of small Season 3, and I'd go to his grandma's house and we'd just watch episode after episode of Smallville. 00:22:28.339 --> 00:22:36.167 So we were in that age range for that we were binging before Netflix man. 00:22:36.819 --> 00:22:47.772 I always say that Superman is, smallville specifically, and Kingdom Hearts are my benchmarks for the content that I realized would make me a good human. 00:22:47.772 --> 00:23:04.536 Kingdom Hearts is all about friendship and Smallville is all about humility, and that's kind of the two benchmarks that I've taken throughout my life about what I want to emulate from content that I consume. 00:23:04.536 --> 00:23:06.647 But let's jump into Superman. 00:23:06.647 --> 00:23:08.925 I haven't given my opinion yet. 00:23:08.925 --> 00:23:09.648 I really liked it. 00:23:09.648 --> 00:23:12.569 I think this is a really fun film. 00:23:12.569 --> 00:23:14.006 It's not perfect. 00:23:14.006 --> 00:23:24.272 There are some things that I'm still trying to grapple with, but I really, as a timeline guy, I like and dislike certain things. 00:23:24.272 --> 00:23:36.151 I love that we start the film with a timeline, a literal timeline, as I started this podcast with Three centuries ago, metahumans Three decades ago, clark Santa Earth or Kala Santa Earth. 00:23:36.151 --> 00:23:41.326 Three years ago he announces himself as Superman and actually I read the book. 00:23:41.326 --> 00:23:55.289 It's a tie-in book called Superman Welcome to Metropolis and it's actually him and his first week as announcing himself as Superman in the DCU and it's fun. 00:23:55.289 --> 00:24:08.627 It's a junior novel, so it's very childish, but it's a fun look at the early Superman in this world, so that is fun. 00:24:08.627 --> 00:24:15.794 But yeah, as we go on we find that Superman first started dating Lois three months ago. 00:24:15.794 --> 00:24:19.628 Then three weeks ago he stopped Baravia from invading Jarhampur. 00:24:19.628 --> 00:24:21.794 Three days ago, blah, blah, blah. 00:24:21.794 --> 00:24:21.446 There's a lot of threes, there's a lot of threes. 00:24:21.446 --> 00:24:22.228 Three days ago, blah, blah, blah. 00:24:22.228 --> 00:24:24.108 There's a lot of threes, there's a lot of threes. 00:24:24.108 --> 00:24:29.993 And it's gotten me thinking that I have to kind of make a breakdown of this in like a YouTube video. 00:24:29.993 --> 00:24:31.355 So I started writing a YouTube video. 00:24:31.355 --> 00:24:35.077 I haven't finished writing it, but I might make it into a video. 00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:44.855 I'm still determining whether or not the script has like enough weight to it, but it is interesting because there's a lot of symbolic three stuff happening here. 00:24:44.855 --> 00:24:46.262 Because there's a lot of symbolic three stuff happening here. 00:24:46.262 --> 00:24:50.032 You think of Superman's classic quote truth, justice in the American way. 00:24:50.032 --> 00:24:51.786 That's a set of three. 00:24:51.786 --> 00:24:57.712 You have him wearing three primary colors on his uniform blue, red and yellow. 00:24:58.861 --> 00:25:04.853 There's a bunch of almost like trinity aspects to the character as well. 00:25:04.853 --> 00:25:08.182 You could look at it a certain number of ways. 00:25:08.182 --> 00:25:14.426 You can look at it as like his father, his mother and and him as a son, like uh on on krypton. 00:25:14.426 --> 00:25:17.917 You can look at it as pocket mock hands and superman, or like clark. 00:25:17.917 --> 00:25:21.528 You could also look at it as like the father, the son and the yellow star. 00:25:22.009 --> 00:25:50.974 You know like there's a lot, the yellow star being the holy trinity or, um, the holy spirit rather, and it's there's a lot of threes in the superman mythos and you know, a lot of times that translates to like a very like divinely inspired number, and also the fact that this film takes place over seven days, and seven, symbolically, is a sense of completeness, you know, like a perfect completeness. 00:25:50.974 --> 00:26:05.309 So I think there's a lot going into the background of this character that, numerologically, is really cool and well thought out, unless I'm just seeing patterns and things that aren't actually there. 00:26:05.309 --> 00:26:17.967 Um, but yeah, as as a timeline guy, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking about all these things as something that is very well thought out, well-intentioned, and I'm excited to explore that more. 00:26:17.967 --> 00:26:21.564 Sorry, timeline tangent over, you guys can talk about Superman. 00:26:21.964 --> 00:26:25.661 Matt, what was it tangent over? 00:26:25.661 --> 00:26:27.105 You guys can talk about superman now man, was it? 00:26:27.105 --> 00:26:27.385 You know? 00:26:27.385 --> 00:26:30.493 Guys just just know that dakota's a little biased because you know superman is his favorite. 00:26:30.513 --> 00:26:31.195 It is, yeah, I would. 00:26:31.195 --> 00:26:35.247 I would say superman is in my top five fictional characters of all time. 00:26:35.928 --> 00:26:38.132 But how about in dc, number one? 00:26:38.132 --> 00:26:44.743 Yes yeah, yes, yeah, I figured, but uh, you know, I I like. 00:26:44.743 --> 00:26:49.866 So you brought up Ma and Pa Kent and I'm going to be honest with you. 00:26:49.866 --> 00:26:58.291 I really liked their casting because they made sense for a Kansas, like a parent kind of like you would believe that they're farmers. 00:26:58.291 --> 00:27:09.267 You know, they had that look. 00:27:09.267 --> 00:27:12.189 That was immediately what popped up in my head. 00:27:12.189 --> 00:27:20.555 They had, like, this sense of homeliness that you would only really get like, maybe in the south, or like the Midwest, you know. 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:43.626 Yeah, unless I visit a Cracker Barrel, I'm not experiencing that, you know yeah, I mean, like kevin costner just felt like a guy who danced with wolves, like he didn't feel like a farmer, you know and then definitely dance with wolves and and then, you know, uh, jonathan snyder felt more like a, you know, he was more like a duke, you know uh, yeah, he was very hazardous. 00:27:43.847 --> 00:27:50.776 Yes, yeah, um sorry old guy reference I'm so happy. 00:27:50.855 --> 00:27:56.910 I'm like yes um yeah, both of them in smallville. 00:27:56.910 --> 00:27:59.934 They definitely like, they were definitely like. 00:27:59.934 --> 00:28:01.041 You know more. 00:28:01.041 --> 00:28:05.313 I mean, it was for for a kid, kid, it was like whatever, and still like as a show. 00:28:05.313 --> 00:28:10.632 Like you know, I can I can suspend that disbelief, but I was believing that. 00:28:10.632 --> 00:28:17.804 I was thinking that, like, out of all the Superman material that I've seen, these are like the most believable parents that we have gotten. 00:28:18.144 --> 00:28:19.307 Yeah, I, I. 00:28:19.307 --> 00:28:25.779 I don't know if it's like the most believable like when it comes to you picturing kansas farmers. 00:28:25.779 --> 00:28:32.614 You know not that they need to be like unattractive or extremely homely, but they felt right at home. 00:28:32.614 --> 00:28:34.105 You know, like you did not. 00:28:34.105 --> 00:28:39.461 There was no, it was as humble of origins as you could possibly expect from clark. 00:28:39.461 --> 00:28:48.053 You know they weren't overly attractive individuals, but they were good people and that's exactly what superman needs in this, in any mythos you know like he needs, but they were good people and that's exactly what Superman needs in any mythos. 00:28:48.053 --> 00:28:52.616 He needs to be raised by good people to make the decisions that he ultimately needs to make. 00:28:52.616 --> 00:28:57.631 Speaking of decisions that he needs to make, I think we should go into. 00:28:58.740 --> 00:29:01.169 I'm going to put a spoiler warning from here on out. 00:29:01.169 --> 00:29:10.255 If you haven't seen Superman, I going to uh talk about some spoilery stuff that you won't have received in the trailers. 00:29:10.255 --> 00:29:14.566 So if you haven't seen it already, please go check the movie out before uh going forward. 00:29:14.566 --> 00:29:32.114 Uh, we have the message from uh jor-el and his uh and his mother and uh, the first half of the movie is interesting because we only get the first half of the message, where he basically tells Kal-El to. 00:29:32.193 --> 00:29:42.672 He's sending you down to Earth to do good, and that seems to jive well with the way he was raised in Kansas, in Smallville. 00:29:42.672 --> 00:29:49.819 That's normal way. 00:29:49.819 --> 00:29:51.163 He was raised in Kansas, in Smallville, that's normal. 00:29:51.163 --> 00:29:54.429 We've always had Jor-El give a positive, or mostly positive, message about his purpose in life. 00:29:54.429 --> 00:30:17.913 But then later on we find the second half of the recording made by his parents on Krypton is not very PC, it's not very politically correct for the 21st century on planet Earth and it's actually becomes quite a detriment to him and his mental well-being throughout the film. 00:30:17.913 --> 00:30:20.469 What are, what are your thoughts on this guys? 00:30:23.123 --> 00:30:24.967 I mean all right. 00:30:24.967 --> 00:31:08.605 So like when the, the, when the message gets unscrambled, right and we get the second half of it, the fact that, like so many people, right after he's been because, remember, he's been doing this stuff for a while, right, he's been helping people for a while, right, the whole world knows him as a helper yeah, yeah, you get the message and then, like a guy, just like the minute it comes out, like he has just finished helping people and then, like somebody just chucks like a can at his head and it's like are you, I don't know man, maybe this is like my mets fandom, but like I, I don't give up on someone, like in two seconds, like he had done nothing to prove that that's what he was trying to do. 00:31:08.605 --> 00:31:21.865 And and maybe this is like, uh, in terms of timeline, right, like for me, or pacing, like it just made little sense to me that so many people turned on him so quickly. 00:31:21.865 --> 00:31:32.115 When we literally have like video evidence of people in power saying things and everyone in, like our country, goes, I mean, who cares? 00:31:32.115 --> 00:31:34.602 Right, and like that's the actual person saying it. 00:31:34.682 --> 00:31:47.313 This is his parents telling him to do a thing that he hasn't demonstrably done, right, so for so many to turn on him so quickly was a little bit even like. 00:31:47.313 --> 00:31:52.663 You know like little they showed, like little kids crying when they heard it like, or a little kid like looking at his mom like what now? 00:31:52.663 --> 00:31:56.780 And it's like if I were a parent I'd be like what has he done to do that like? 00:31:56.780 --> 00:31:57.181 I don't know? 00:31:57.181 --> 00:31:58.403 Maybe it's the english teacher in me. 00:31:58.403 --> 00:32:05.734 Show me the evidence that I should now hate this man who has saved our lives countless times. 00:32:06.259 --> 00:32:22.446 Well, I think that it's a mix of you know, because they have had a voice in their ear pretty much like saying like you know, this is an alien, he doesn't belong to be, you know he doesn't belong here, you know he's going to be a danger. 00:32:22.446 --> 00:32:52.994 And so, like, pretty much, when there was like an evidence of that like you know, like not evidence that he was going to do something bad, but like pretty much like a way of proof that you know that, like you know, he wasn't originally there for good intention, you know, even though, even though Clark you know this was news to him also, it's not Like to me it wasn't out of the realm of like possibility. 00:32:53.035 --> 00:33:13.306 I mean, sure I don't think that everybody would turn on him right away, Like, but I would say that, like, if you do have somebody that's been in your ear saying something over and over and then as soon as, like, what they've been saying has kind of been proven, then it'd be like, oh dang, he's actually been saying the truth this whole time. 00:33:13.306 --> 00:33:22.086 You know, and you know, and you know that being Lex Luthor. 00:33:22.106 --> 00:33:26.060 And jumping on what you just said, Anthony, like yeah, you've had Lex Luthor for the past three years telling the world not to trust this alien. 00:33:26.060 --> 00:33:34.074 You know, he's come out, he's honest about being not from Earth and just three weeks ago you have Superman. 00:33:34.074 --> 00:33:44.257 You know, in his mind and in reality he's stopping a war between two countries, but he's going against, going against an ally of the United States. 00:33:44.257 --> 00:33:51.085 He's essentially stopping an ally from exerting their sovereign right to do whatever the heck they were doing. 00:33:51.085 --> 00:33:56.185 I don't fully understand the uh geopolitical context of the film. 00:33:56.226 --> 00:34:07.157 besides, you know, boravia was uh, I think there's some pretty pretty easy modern day conflict, oh yeah okay, so like, let's, let's just get that out of the way. 00:34:07.539 --> 00:34:12.731 We have, uh, several wars going on in the world right now and I think it's a mix of a bunch of them. 00:34:12.911 --> 00:34:47.628 You know, like you have the Eastern European influence of, you know like, the Russian language and the Russian like lexicon being used in almost like I think the more obvious parallel would be like the Israel and Palestine conflict going on, but we also have the russia ukraine conflict and I feel like boravia and jarhampur are kind of mashed into both of those conflicts together and I think that was the intent by gun and company to, you know, get that across. 00:34:47.628 --> 00:34:59.302 But uh, whatever your opinions of what's going on in the world, in this universe, superman wanted to stop a war. 00:34:59.302 --> 00:35:05.324 He wanted to stop people from dying and he did so without killing anyone on either side, which is notable. 00:35:05.324 --> 00:35:21.583 He did give the president of Baravia a hard time, apparently Put him up against a cactus, made him pee himself time, apparently put him, put him up against a cactus, made him pee himself, um, which is really, really funny, because I I really like the actor who played, uh, like the the leader, for that. 00:35:21.603 --> 00:35:37.568 I thought he was just a very funny guy yeah um, but this caused a moral dilemma, a moral dilemma within the rest of this world, you know like, are his actions sanctioned by any country or is he just working by himself? 00:35:37.568 --> 00:35:39.815 And this became an issue politically. 00:35:39.815 --> 00:35:59.452 And when you get into political issues, even if you're technically, by all rights on paper, on the right side of history or on the right side of you know, doing the morally right, right thing, if you are opposing the political opinion of, say, half the country, you are now a bad guy. 00:35:59.452 --> 00:36:00.817 You are now a bad man. 00:36:00.817 --> 00:36:03.786 Um, you should keep your political opinions to yourself. 00:36:03.786 --> 00:36:09.076 So, um, and I think that's where the issue kind of stemmed from. 00:36:09.076 --> 00:36:22.657 And then adding, on top of, you know, the fact that he's an, now he has potential cause to basically take whatever he wants, take as many women as he wants, into his harem, which I thought was very funny. 00:36:25.266 --> 00:36:28.652 And repopulate Krypton Like Jimmy Olsen would have been a better choice. 00:36:28.652 --> 00:36:29.909 Jimmy would have. 00:36:30.806 --> 00:36:45.686 Jimmy probably already has, you know, he definitely already has his own little harem yeah so, anyway, what are, what are your thoughts on the change of, uh, the messaging, because I know a lot of people hate it. 00:36:46.045 --> 00:36:59.208 I know a lot of people think that that changes the perceived like messianic um intent of the superman character as it's been portrayed in like many films, many shows. 00:36:59.208 --> 00:37:11.793 Um, you know, he's always been this savior figure, but if you're, if you're being sent to do evil, you're not really a savior figure unless you choose to do so, and that I think that that's what is like the deciding factor about this movie. 00:37:11.793 --> 00:37:12.494 It's about choice. 00:37:12.494 --> 00:37:18.192 You know, um, but I feel like a lot of people are that I think we're because of smallville. 00:37:18.652 --> 00:37:34.456 Yeah, you know it, that was like very much show, like something that was pushed by jor-el in smallville, you know, and naturally clark fought against it, but you know, this was something that he knew earlier on in the show. 00:37:34.456 --> 00:37:40.692 You know, he was still young when he found this stuff out, but it wasn't, I think, because of Smallville. 00:37:40.692 --> 00:37:50.657 It really like broke that mold of that kind of character, because he obviously made many mistakes in that show and yeah. 00:37:50.737 --> 00:37:58.708 At least one a week, and then you know, yeah, you know, do you have any red kryptonite? 00:37:58.708 --> 00:38:01.596 You know that was the best. 00:38:02.197 --> 00:38:04.429 But yeah, no, definitely I love the red kryptonite. 00:38:04.429 --> 00:38:07.172 Oh my God, they're so fun. 00:38:07.172 --> 00:38:14.259 As soon as you see him in like a leather jacket, you're like oh, bad boy. 00:38:14.259 --> 00:38:16.512 Oh he's on that red kryptonite. 00:38:16.512 --> 00:38:19.373 Oh man, he's pulling up in a Harley. 00:38:21.125 --> 00:38:37.934 But yeah, I think because of Smallville, that's just something that I grew up being used to Him being somebody that had to learn a lot and making a lot of mistakes and, yeah, him being sent not for such a great reason. 00:38:38.376 --> 00:38:41.813 Yeah, okay, so it paved the way for you. 00:38:41.813 --> 00:38:44.190 It makes more sense. 00:38:46.588 --> 00:39:02.193 It makes way more sense that a planet who was about to be extinct sent out a child to repopulate their culture and their race right, rather than, oh no, our planet's dying. 00:39:02.193 --> 00:39:03.137 You know what we should do? 00:39:03.137 --> 00:39:08.768 We should send clark or we should send kal-el to to this planet to save them. 00:39:08.768 --> 00:39:09.809 Right, like what? 00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:10.771 Uh that? 00:39:10.771 --> 00:39:19.289 Like like in terms of how you would think a world ending would try to repopulate or whatever property. 00:39:19.289 --> 00:39:20.193 I agree with that. 00:39:20.193 --> 00:39:21.840 I do agree with that yeah, no, I. 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.465 I think that that's actually a really good point. 00:39:23.465 --> 00:39:31.567 Um it, it's a seemingly normal message from a dying race to their progeny to live on. 00:39:31.567 --> 00:39:35.257 You know, like, do whatever you can to keep this race alive. 00:39:35.257 --> 00:39:43.172 Now a lot of people are saying that like the message was like, destroy the world and, you know, be a horrible person. 00:39:43.172 --> 00:39:45.719 I don't think they actually said that. 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:54.012 No, it does sound that way Because it just says, like you know, take as many women as you want, and maybe in Krypton, that's, you know, it's. 00:39:54.012 --> 00:39:59.619 It's okay to be polygamous, you can have multiple wives, whatever, I don't know. 00:39:59.619 --> 00:40:07.016 But on Earth that currently isn't in vogue. 00:40:07.016 --> 00:40:11.371 Currently it was in the past, a couple centuries ago, or I would say a couple millennia ago. 00:40:11.371 --> 00:40:15.079 That would have been a real hit message on planet Earth. 00:40:21.114 --> 00:40:28.634 But Genghis Khan's like yes, they rose a mug to him. 00:40:32.208 --> 00:40:33.009 Anyway, let's move on. 00:40:33.009 --> 00:40:47.871