WEBVTT 00:00:00.460 --> 00:00:04.044 Welcome to episode 128 of Project Geekology. 00:00:04.044 --> 00:00:12.336 We, here, the Fantastic Three, are going to give you all the news about the Fantastic Four, or Five, depending on who you ask. 00:00:12.336 --> 00:00:20.163 I am one third of your host, anthony, and joining me, as always, is Dakota and I love that. 00:00:20.202 --> 00:00:23.347 The Fantastic Three Alright, yeah, and that's a really good point. 00:00:23.347 --> 00:00:32.829 Depending on who you ask, depending on how you count, there may be four, there may be five fantastic individuals in this movie, uh, maybe even more, depending on you know what you decide to count. 00:00:32.829 --> 00:00:38.649 You know, like, we'll find out in a bit, uh, but we're joined, us always again with rich. 00:00:38.869 --> 00:00:40.031 I'm really excited to be here. 00:00:40.031 --> 00:00:42.585 I'm just I don't know if we could do this podcast today, guys. 00:00:42.585 --> 00:00:45.212 The truth is, the price might be too high. 00:00:45.212 --> 00:00:53.506 So I don't know if you guys are going to hear a podcast after this, because the sacrifice that we're all making, that we're being asked to make, is just way too much. 00:00:53.847 --> 00:00:54.970 Specifically by Galactus. 00:00:54.970 --> 00:00:57.689 Yeah, he asked for a Switch 2. 00:00:59.926 --> 00:01:00.709 Do you know how hard that is? 00:01:00.709 --> 00:01:07.552 You got to get a tracker on your laptop, ignore all of your classes and then just wait until you can get that system. 00:01:07.552 --> 00:01:09.445 And then he asked for Grand Theft Auto VI. 00:01:09.445 --> 00:01:11.626 That's not coming out until like 2029. 00:01:12.248 --> 00:01:16.189 If that, yeah, now Galactus asks a price way too high. 00:01:16.189 --> 00:01:24.766 But before we get into any of that, let's jump into what we've been up to this past couple of weeks, because we've been a awful week. 00:01:24.766 --> 00:01:30.170 If you'd like to skip to our discussion of fantastic four, jump to minute marker 1745. 00:01:30.170 --> 00:01:31.980 Uh, anthony, want to start us off? 00:01:32.141 --> 00:01:34.587 yes, I can, uh nothing too major. 00:01:34.587 --> 00:01:52.733 I have been messing around with the battlefield 6 beta, uh that that dropped, uh I was playing the the early access for that and then just, uh, just to kind of like I guess, touch my bait, the basis I don't. 00:01:52.733 --> 00:02:06.173 I want to, um, get a little bit more of like a concise overview of my time at uh, super con without I guess going, guess going too deep or too much time into it. 00:02:06.173 --> 00:02:12.673 But yes, I know, I think the last episode we recorded I talked a little bit more about it. 00:02:12.673 --> 00:02:21.850 It was kind of broken up a little bit, but I really did want to kind of talk a little bit more of my overall thoughts of super con this year. 00:02:22.331 --> 00:02:29.242 Super con this year I felt a little bit more disappointed than than last year. 00:02:29.242 --> 00:02:33.331 Last year I felt like they were really like trying to like move up. 00:02:33.331 --> 00:02:38.313 They had they had, like this I, I guess a partnership going on with crunchy roll. 00:02:38.313 --> 00:02:40.180 They had all of critical role. 00:02:40.180 --> 00:02:46.500 They had a bunch of baldur's gate three people they there's just a lot of people that I felt. 00:02:46.500 --> 00:02:48.985 I felt like there was a. 00:02:48.985 --> 00:03:09.367 There was a large step that was being taken last year and I felt like that step was like a step back this year because, like last year, even like their, their badges had, like you know, anime and Crunchyroll themed stuff, whereas this year was, I mean, which it's fine, because it's miami, you know, it was a bunch of like miami stuff, like a beach. 00:03:09.367 --> 00:03:25.973 One had like a beach in a beach chair, um, another was like a gator, another was, like you know, one of those like walk up cafe places that you would go to, you know, for your cuban coffee, but you feel it was a step down from the cultural impact that a con should have. 00:03:26.294 --> 00:03:28.467 Right, it felt a little smaller too. 00:03:28.467 --> 00:03:30.687 It was still big but it felt a little smaller. 00:03:30.687 --> 00:03:35.371 I don't know if more people went this year. 00:03:35.371 --> 00:03:38.388 I think a lot more people went last year. 00:03:38.388 --> 00:03:44.587 I mean the traffic was still bad, but for some reason the traffic just didn't seem as bad this year. 00:03:44.587 --> 00:03:45.542 I was like man, are there? 00:03:45.542 --> 00:03:48.995 There's like a lot of people, but like I, it was noticeable. 00:03:48.995 --> 00:03:51.823 There was like to me a little bit of a noticeable difference. 00:03:51.823 --> 00:03:54.169 But you know, I mean I had fun. 00:03:54.169 --> 00:03:55.632 Yeah, I went around, I shopped. 00:03:55.632 --> 00:04:08.545 You know, I had like the, the offerings I I told I already had told you before that your, your buddy star wars theory was there, but overall did you have a good time oh yeah, of course I always have a good time. 00:04:09.388 --> 00:04:22.314 Uh, I just hope that that read pop really, like you know, puts in maybe not at the same scale as new york comic-con, but a little bit more, if that makes sense, I really do hope that they they work on that. 00:04:22.314 --> 00:04:36.391 Um, you know, maybe, you know, maybe there's a little fatigue because, also because I do go almost every year, I think I need to find a new con to, uh, to actually, um, you know, visit and you know, cause. 00:04:37.012 --> 00:04:40.742 Each con feels the same, but the offerings are different, you know. 00:04:40.742 --> 00:04:43.026 And then you know the people that were there. 00:04:43.026 --> 00:04:46.112 You know they had Billy Piper and Christopher Eccleston. 00:04:46.112 --> 00:04:48.898 10 years ago I would have cared about that, you know. 00:04:48.898 --> 00:04:52.247 You know they had Chris Sabat and and Eric Vale. 00:04:52.247 --> 00:05:06.793 They're like really, you know, they're they voice in Dragon Ball Z Chris Sabat, does you know All Might and and my Hero Academia, uh, eric Vale, uh Trunks, and then, and then he's also sanji from one piece. 00:05:06.793 --> 00:05:10.766 So I mean they had some decent people there. 00:05:10.846 --> 00:05:12.853 I just I feel like it was smaller. 00:05:12.853 --> 00:05:24.026 The scale was definitely smaller, which isn't bad to me if I'm going to a smaller convention, but if you're trying to be like the largest convention in south florida, don't scale back. 00:05:24.026 --> 00:05:26.009 I guess I don't know they had enough. 00:05:26.009 --> 00:05:27.252 There was enough room. 00:05:27.252 --> 00:05:28.694 There's a whole other side. 00:05:28.694 --> 00:05:33.771 Last year they were using the backside of where the will call area was. 00:05:33.771 --> 00:05:40.552 This side, that whole side was like, you know, just the will call, just that alone. 00:05:40.552 --> 00:05:44.526 So I was like it already felt smaller, like when I walked in. 00:05:44.526 --> 00:05:47.322 So but I mean, you know, I guess that that could be. 00:05:47.322 --> 00:05:52.761 You know, that's just like a gripe that might not hit too hard, you know, for a lot of people. 00:05:52.761 --> 00:05:58.880 But you know, yeah, just just my, my overall thoughts, um, let's uh throw it over to rich. 00:05:58.880 --> 00:06:00.283 What have you been up to rich? 00:06:00.865 --> 00:06:02.869 richard, let's see, uh first. 00:06:02.869 --> 00:06:15.040 Uh, I just came rich related my uh, my wife and son are actually gonna go to anime con up here in new york city on the 24th of august, so after that show I am not going. 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.975 I am persona non grata in my house for not agreeing to go months ago. 00:06:18.975 --> 00:06:20.860 Fantasy football draft that day. 00:06:20.860 --> 00:06:23.504 But I uh, I don't know he's been getting into it. 00:06:23.504 --> 00:06:25.447 He just came home today with a vegeta. 00:06:25.447 --> 00:06:30.074 He went, they went to japan village in brooklyn in the city and they he got a pick. 00:06:30.074 --> 00:06:34.490 He got a couple of dragon ball z guys that he's very excited about back up. 00:06:34.509 --> 00:06:37.848 There's a japan village in brooklyn yep where have you been? 00:06:37.887 --> 00:06:40.916 dakota I can ask my wife more information? 00:06:40.916 --> 00:06:43.103 I usually those are just like see it. 00:06:43.103 --> 00:06:48.947 A lot of it is the fact that the anime is like their thing, almost you know, sure, okay, so it's their bond. 00:06:48.947 --> 00:06:57.802 Yeah, and like he, I don't, I look I we just probably video games for you too yeah, yeah, video games and sports for for us, you know, um, but I'm not uh. 00:06:58.322 --> 00:07:00.488 And also, like you know, they'll get ramen and I. 00:07:00.488 --> 00:07:05.850 We just had ramen the other day, so I was like I'll peace out on that, but he got some cool stuff from that. 00:07:05.850 --> 00:07:12.766 Of course, I've been to a lot of baseball and it's been depressing, but I won't really expand on that too much, although I did have a huge victory. 00:07:12.766 --> 00:07:21.444 My mother-in-law is a huge Mets fan and she never goes to games ever, despite the fact that I go to 40 a year and invite her all the time, and I actually did invite her. 00:07:21.963 --> 00:07:22.564 She made it to one. 00:07:22.584 --> 00:07:27.228 She made it Nice, so she said she had a good time Might go again, so you never know you never know. 00:07:27.228 --> 00:07:31.812 And I guess the other thing is I'm kind of like Roger Ebert now, I just go to the movies all the time. 00:07:31.812 --> 00:07:47.766 So since we last, since the summer right, we've done Superman, I obviously saw that, saw Fantastic Four, saw Jurassic Park Rebirth, saw Jurassic Park Rebirth, and then we're going to go see Bad Guys this Wednesday Bad. 00:07:48.065 --> 00:07:51.447 Guys, a couple of good movies, really enjoying them. 00:07:51.447 --> 00:07:54.110 I thought Jurassic Park was what it was going to be. 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:57.312 It was just cool to kind of see it overall. 00:07:57.312 --> 00:08:04.257 Hot conflict yeah, it was really weird to see that chick from the Red Room suddenly be with dinosaurs. 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:18.586 Romanoff yeah, it made sense, though, because a mercenary, so uh, uh, which I thought was kind of she had that skill set yeah but that's really yeah, that's been uh, just kind of uh, you know summer, so I did another lord of the rings rewatch and uh, of course, that's about it. 00:08:18.586 --> 00:08:19.730 How are you deck? 00:08:19.730 --> 00:08:20.370 What have you been up to? 00:08:21.341 --> 00:08:22.002 really quick, anthony. 00:08:22.002 --> 00:08:24.547 You you said that you you watched the naked gun recently. 00:08:24.586 --> 00:08:26.850 Yeah, yeah I was just thinking about that. 00:08:26.850 --> 00:08:28.975 Yeah, I, I saw the naked gun. 00:08:28.975 --> 00:08:32.903 I went with, um, my, my stepfather, uh, I was. 00:08:32.903 --> 00:08:34.427 I was pleasantly surprised. 00:08:34.427 --> 00:08:48.081 It was actually like really good, and it pulled it off because, you know, I don't know if you saw the original with uh, leslie nielsen, but, like you know, it's like very kind of slapstick, just you know, very brunt, stupid humor. 00:08:48.081 --> 00:08:52.831 But I and I was like man, how how is uh Liam Neeson gonna do it? 00:08:52.890 --> 00:09:08.424 I'm so used to him being the action guy, right, yeah and so or the very stoic guy he's never been comedy guy in my, my book, yeah and so he, he maintains that he is the stoic guy but he does it like funnily, you know, like he's funny with it. 00:09:09.126 --> 00:09:14.003 So, yeah, no, I was really surprised they they had some like running gags going on throughout the film. 00:09:14.003 --> 00:09:15.547 That like really was funny. 00:09:15.547 --> 00:09:16.809 Yeah, no, it was good. 00:09:17.110 --> 00:09:27.563 I, I had fun and and I don't know if you noticed that like it rated like pretty high so everyone that I see in my my circle on twitter, uh, I, I'm, I'm primarily in like film twitter section of twitter. 00:09:28.065 --> 00:09:43.403 They seem to have really enjoyed it because of the fact that you're gonna laugh at some point, you're gonna laugh a lot actually because there's about a, there's a joke every 20 seconds roughly, you know like it's that, like packed with gags, so, um, and a lot of times like they, they play off of each other, apparently the gags. 00:09:43.403 --> 00:09:45.727 So yeah, I've heard good things. 00:09:46.208 --> 00:09:47.912 Yeah, no, definitely it was a fun time. 00:09:48.452 --> 00:09:49.995 Good Jumping over to me. 00:09:49.995 --> 00:10:00.514 I had a lot going on this past couple of weeks, but stuff that I've been getting into recently is I watched the Big Lebowski for the first time. 00:10:00.514 --> 00:10:04.708 That was mind blowingly funny, like that was literally the funniest thing I've ever seen. 00:10:04.708 --> 00:10:11.121 It's been a while, but yeah, it is funny. 00:10:11.121 --> 00:10:32.495 I I do like that talk about movies that are played straight but are just like so incredibly ridiculous that really I I'm gonna be watching it again and yeah, I'm going to iceland in like a week and a half or so, or no, I'm gonna be in iceland in a week no iceland for you no iceland for me, but there is a Big Lebowski themed bar in Iceland that has a bunch of white Russian cocktail mixes. 00:10:33.524 --> 00:10:35.419 So I'm so excited, I'm so excited to go. 00:10:35.419 --> 00:10:37.086 I was there like last year. 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.202 I wish I would have known this, I didn't even know Anyway. 00:10:41.344 --> 00:10:46.028 So, big Lebowski, good time, I have introduced my wife to Smallville. 00:10:46.028 --> 00:10:49.250 So we're like seven episodes deep into season one. 00:10:50.724 --> 00:10:52.770 Dude, I started watching that again too, man. 00:10:53.139 --> 00:10:54.686 We got to cover Smallville season one soon. 00:10:54.785 --> 00:10:55.126 All right. 00:10:55.126 --> 00:10:57.969 Well, I'm on season three now, but yeah. 00:10:59.181 --> 00:11:03.009 Okay, would you be interested in doing Smallville season one for next week? 00:11:03.311 --> 00:11:03.971 Yes, let's do it. 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:06.285 Because I'm planning a Smallville day tomorrow. 00:11:06.306 --> 00:11:08.705 We're going to just bang it out, all right, yeah, let's do it. 00:11:08.705 --> 00:11:11.083 Rich, you got to jump on it All right next week. 00:11:11.466 --> 00:11:11.886 Smallville. 00:11:11.886 --> 00:11:12.769 I mean I could do it tomorrow. 00:11:12.769 --> 00:11:17.730 You want to do it in 12 hours, like, let's go, I'm ready. 00:11:18.741 --> 00:11:19.725 I love that show. 00:11:19.725 --> 00:11:26.201 I am. 00:11:26.221 --> 00:11:28.596 I can't wait to talk about the mystery of the mystery of the week. 00:11:28.596 --> 00:11:28.897 Well, the twin. 00:11:28.897 --> 00:11:29.057 Um, what? 00:11:29.057 --> 00:11:29.158 The? 00:11:29.158 --> 00:11:29.259 The? 00:11:29.259 --> 00:11:31.809 The, the guy who played Iceman in the first X-Men movie? 00:11:31.809 --> 00:11:35.315 Yeah, like his twin is in the show. 00:11:35.436 --> 00:11:39.470 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think like he, I think they both are. 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:56.640 I think like one of them plays like Jimmy or something, and the other one plays like one of like the dangers of the week, but they were like five seasons apart, so right, something like something weird like that, but I'm, I'm, oh, I'm excited yeah, so I experienced, or, yeah, I'm introducing my wife to this novel. 00:11:56.660 --> 00:11:57.965 She's really excited, she's loving it. 00:11:57.965 --> 00:12:07.241 Um, it's just that, it's just like a one of those amazing times for tv, in the sense that, like you were going to get 20 plus episodes a season easily. 00:12:07.241 --> 00:12:12.113 Like that was a guaranteed thing back in the days of cable and you'd get it once a year. 00:12:12.113 --> 00:12:15.330 You don't have to wait three years for the next season to only drop three episodes. 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:17.244 You know, like it's, it's just that good. 00:12:17.244 --> 00:12:19.589 Um, and it was just one of those. 00:12:19.589 --> 00:12:27.913 It's, it's a, it's a time that's kind of nostalgic at this point where, like, like no cell phones in sight, you know. 00:12:28.982 --> 00:12:31.249 It's a perfect time capsule for the time. 00:12:31.528 --> 00:12:32.292 It really is. 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:38.910 When you watch it, you're like ah, yes, the early 2000s, when we were not taken over by technology. 00:12:39.491 --> 00:12:42.679 Yes, all right, so that happened. 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:48.163 I also want to take a brief moment to talk about a play that I saw recently. 00:12:48.163 --> 00:12:53.427 It was the debut of a play that a friend of mine was a friend of mine it was. 00:12:53.427 --> 00:12:56.811 A part of his name is Ryder and it was. 00:12:56.811 --> 00:12:59.852 You know, it's a very low budget play it was. 00:12:59.852 --> 00:13:03.576 It was free for those in attendance, like if you can get a free ticket. 00:13:03.576 --> 00:13:18.576 It was free, but it marked the 80th anniversary of the bombing in Hiroshima and it was August 6th of 1945. 00:13:18.576 --> 00:13:22.750 That was the day that the first bomb was dropped on Japan. 00:13:23.259 --> 00:13:44.493 So the play itself is called the Diary of Yoko Moriwaki and it's a story of, it's a true story of a 13-year-old girl who was given a diary at school to, you know, like, just go about her day over the course of a couple months, and it's a couple months leading up to her death, basically in Hiroshima. 00:13:44.493 --> 00:14:22.095 So it's through her eyes, the war from home, and it's just such a fantastic time capsule of a period that I've never even heard of, not that I've obviously heard of the bombing, but the point of view from a teenager, a 13-year-old teenager who is very much pro-Japan but very much of the mindset that everything is terrible in her homeland and how that is leading up to the destruction of almost 100,000 lives in a second. 00:14:22.095 --> 00:14:25.355 It's a really crazy story and it's a true story. 00:14:25.355 --> 00:14:37.447 So I was very happy to have witnessed that uh in a play form and I really I hope that that play gets picked up, uh for more showings, because it was. 00:14:37.527 --> 00:14:44.967 It was like again it was a free play, that uh was specifically for the 80th anniversary of that bombing and uh. 00:14:44.967 --> 00:14:53.528 But it's a story that deserves to be told and I'm really profoundly moved by the art of it and being able to translate that for a modern audience in America. 00:14:53.528 --> 00:15:02.710 So I may seem like I'm currently out of breath right now and that's because I've been dealing with a lot personally this week. 00:15:02.710 --> 00:15:16.327 So just right before I went to go see that play, I was heading home from work and my car got sideswiped on the highway by a car going 100 miles an hour and it took out my driver's side mirror. 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.229 Did it hit anything else like your door, or was it just the mirror? 00:15:19.822 --> 00:15:21.128 It was just the mirror, thankfully. 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:22.004 So it should have been an easy fix. 00:15:22.004 --> 00:15:22.466 Went through insurance. 00:15:22.466 --> 00:15:23.410 My deductible was like $, just the mirror. 00:15:23.410 --> 00:15:23.894 Thankfully, so it was it. 00:15:23.894 --> 00:15:24.677 Should it should have been an easy fix. 00:15:24.677 --> 00:15:25.500 Uh, went through insurance. 00:15:25.500 --> 00:15:30.711 My deductible was like 700, so that would be the amount that I would need to pay. 00:15:30.711 --> 00:15:33.585 If anything past that point my insurance would pick up. 00:15:33.585 --> 00:15:37.293 But, uh, yeah, so not a not a great deductible. 00:15:37.293 --> 00:15:44.211 But when I ended up like taking it to the place that they recommended, they charged me like 350 ish. 00:15:44.211 --> 00:15:48.865 When I picked it up it was almost exactly $700. 00:15:48.865 --> 00:15:51.731 Just now, like I literally just picked it up. 00:15:51.873 --> 00:15:52.253 That's crazy. 00:15:52.273 --> 00:15:56.067 I'm looking at I'm looking at the prices, dude, they. 00:15:56.067 --> 00:16:02.148 They dragged me through the mud and there's like app, like so they, they ordered the wrong part to begin with. 00:16:02.148 --> 00:16:06.948 They return that part, but then they hid that first part that they ordered in the miscellaneous. 00:16:06.948 --> 00:16:12.533 Like I'm looking at the prices, like of the original estimate and the current price that I paid. 00:16:12.533 --> 00:16:19.100 They definitely hid that price of the original item that they returned in my miscellaneous. 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:23.871 And then they charged me for painting of the part that they got. 00:16:23.871 --> 00:16:26.201 But the part is like a matte black, like it's it's. 00:16:26.201 --> 00:16:28.827 It's like black plastic, like there's no paint on it. 00:16:28.827 --> 00:16:30.432 Like so they, they charged me for that. 00:16:30.432 --> 00:16:35.654 Um, they charged me to quadruple the original price of the the mirror. 00:16:35.654 --> 00:16:39.725 It was like they absolutely scraped me across the floor. 00:16:39.725 --> 00:16:45.908 So I'm I'm really excited to you know, fight with them on that, because um yeah, that's crazy. 00:16:45.948 --> 00:16:46.610 Yeah, no, no. 00:16:46.610 --> 00:16:50.009 Yeah, there was some sort of scamming going on there. 00:16:51.001 --> 00:16:53.450 For future reference, if you knock off your mirrors. 00:16:53.450 --> 00:17:08.400 I'm quite skilled in the art of replacing side mirrors for people, whether they be low electronics or even high electronics, with heated mirrors and all the rotation and stuff. 00:17:09.041 --> 00:17:10.307 If it happens again, give me a call. 00:17:10.326 --> 00:17:10.969 I've done it myself. 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:33.750 I'd much rather go to you and give you a few bucks than spend seven times the amount at a place that clearly they were committing insurance fraud without reaching the price of the insurance uh, the insurance deductible, like so any higher and they would have had to charge the insurance company and the insurance company would have fought that. 00:17:33.750 --> 00:17:43.885 They don't expect me to fight that, but I will, um, because it it's clear fraud and never patron that place ever again yep, yep, um. 00:17:44.467 --> 00:17:53.393 Anyway, I'm so sorry we are rambling and we have some fantastic stuff to talk about, like absolutely at least four, four fantastic things to talk about. 00:17:53.393 --> 00:17:57.951 Uh, maybe five gotta give anthony we actually do. 00:17:57.951 --> 00:17:58.913 I, I would have totally. 00:17:58.913 --> 00:18:01.923 I, I completely forget about herbie every single time. 00:18:01.923 --> 00:18:03.471 Um what are your guys? 00:18:03.531 --> 00:18:09.153 initial thoughts on fantastic four so I thought this was in terms of casting. 00:18:09.153 --> 00:18:21.013 I, my wife, did point something out that she thought that the the visual difference in age between um, reed and sue threw her off a bit. 00:18:21.013 --> 00:18:33.492 Like she and she didn't have a problem with Johnny or um or Ben Grimm when he was in his humor form, but she just felt like that Sue looked a lot younger than Pedro Pascal's Reed. 00:18:33.492 --> 00:18:44.411 And I have to, you know, I mean I tried to argue like hey, you know she could be older, but she, you know, gets her hair done so she doesn't have any grays showing, unlike Reed does. 00:18:44.411 --> 00:18:47.792 Or I also tried to explain that Reed kind of went gray a little early. 00:18:47.913 --> 00:18:52.405 But uh, other than that little gripe, I really I really enjoyed it. 00:18:52.405 --> 00:18:55.531 I mean I thought it was, I thought it was fun. 00:18:55.531 --> 00:19:27.101 I didn't like superman, it didn't really insult me by reintroducing every single idea to me, um, and I think the only thing I really have negative to say about it is that I I'm really upset that john malkovich wasn't in it, that he was cut from the movie yeah, so if you watch the trailers for the film, uh, you will notice that, uh, john malkovich has what seems to be a pretty substantial scene, like it doesn't seem like he's the kind of character that is just in a one-off moment, you know, like. 00:19:27.121 --> 00:19:34.967 So I'm curious what the original intent of that was, and it's clear that they cut a lot of things out so that they can get the film under a two-hour uh benchmark. 00:19:34.967 --> 00:19:37.372 But, um, yeah, yeah it's. 00:19:37.372 --> 00:19:40.125 I find that that's a really interesting cut that they made. 00:19:40.125 --> 00:19:43.594 Uh, anthony, what are your thoughts on fantastic four? 00:19:43.974 --> 00:19:45.317 I thought it was pretty good. 00:19:45.317 --> 00:19:52.013 It was definitely one of the better marvel movies that we've seen, you know, in some time. 00:19:52.013 --> 00:19:59.790 Um, it's the best fantastic four movie we've gotten since, like the first one years ago, you know, even the. 00:19:59.790 --> 00:20:05.130 The second one of that one was not too good, and then the one that we got, I think, what 2014? 00:20:05.130 --> 00:20:09.811 That one was just a straight travesty I actually haven't seen it. 00:20:09.852 --> 00:20:11.518 I've never seen the 2014. 00:20:11.518 --> 00:20:12.099 Is that the one with? 00:20:12.760 --> 00:20:14.625 the 17 year old playing reed. 00:20:14.625 --> 00:20:18.070 Yes, okay, yeah, I I didn't. 00:20:18.070 --> 00:20:18.692 I have not. 00:20:18.692 --> 00:20:19.753 I I didn't watch it either. 00:20:19.773 --> 00:20:21.844 Yeah it just yeah, that one. 00:20:21.844 --> 00:20:26.113 It was really, really weird, but it was pretty good. 00:20:26.113 --> 00:20:31.532 I liked the world. 00:20:31.532 --> 00:20:33.707 I thought that the world was really cool. 00:20:33.707 --> 00:20:37.710 It gave me and I really love the aesthetic that it has. 00:20:37.710 --> 00:20:50.645 It's like very Fallout, you know, retro-futuristic, you know, like their technology is like like outdated but like more futuristic than us at the same time, like how does that work? 00:20:50.645 --> 00:20:54.900 But yeah, no, I I liked it, you know, and it's, it's cool. 00:20:54.900 --> 00:20:55.703 I noticed that. 00:20:55.703 --> 00:20:58.819 Uh, well, I guess we'll go a little bit deeper, but yeah, this is my initial thoughts. 00:20:58.819 --> 00:21:00.762 But yeah, man, it was good. 00:21:00.762 --> 00:21:07.275 It was good, I I it, which is a hard thing to say about Marvel movies these days. 00:21:08.099 --> 00:21:20.756 Yeah, I don't want to like I was probably going to say something similar where I have been on a Marvel low end in terms of like, what I've enjoyed or what I've allowed myself to partake in. 00:21:20.756 --> 00:21:27.222 There's a couple of things that I just I haven't had the time to watch, haven't cared to watch Recently. 00:21:27.222 --> 00:21:29.324 I haven't watched Ironheart. 00:21:29.324 --> 00:21:31.210 I didn't watch Agatha all along. 00:21:31.210 --> 00:21:34.147 I know that there's Eyes of Wakanda. 00:21:34.147 --> 00:21:36.749 I probably will watch that, but I'm not in any rush. 00:21:36.749 --> 00:21:40.247 I still haven't watched Thunderbolts. 00:21:40.247 --> 00:21:46.488 I think that just came out for Disney+ or at least home video. 00:21:46.488 --> 00:21:51.546 So I'm I I am excited to see that one because I have heard that it's fantastic. 00:21:51.546 --> 00:21:58.367 But again, I, um, I just I'm not excited to watch it, if that makes sense. 00:21:58.367 --> 00:22:08.709 But I I knew I wanted to see fantastic four and I wanted to give marvel my money for finally doing something that I wanted to watch, and I've been asking for Fantastic Four for a long time. 00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:10.606 I've been asking for X-Men for a long time. 00:22:10.606 --> 00:22:14.630 Really quickly, let's just talk about X-Men. 00:22:14.630 --> 00:22:19.039 They got the rights for 20th Century Fox in 2019. 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:27.843 So it's been six years since they've had the rights to that, six years since they they've had the rights to that. 00:22:27.843 --> 00:22:36.102 They are just now, like within the past month, like saying that they are looking for writers for these films, that they're potentially casting roles for the x-men films. 00:22:36.102 --> 00:22:39.884 I think that that's actual ip suicide. 00:22:39.884 --> 00:22:53.696 Like, why why would you, as Marvel, wait six years to even start working on potentially the biggest franchise within your franchise? 00:22:53.696 --> 00:22:59.351 You know you do not own Spider-Man, you will not own Spider-Man ever, if Sony has anything to say about it. 00:22:59.351 --> 00:23:05.873 Why would you wait so long to do anything about Fantastic Four and even longer to do anything about X-Men? 00:23:05.873 --> 00:23:09.951 If this was any other company, they would have had a movie within two years. 00:23:09.951 --> 00:23:20.001 I'm not saying that they should have rushed it, but they should have started working on something immediately, because currently they are floundering In the box office. 00:23:20.103 --> 00:23:23.585 Like Fantastic Four is a fantastic movie, I really enjoyed it. 00:23:23.585 --> 00:23:28.722 Like fantastic four is a fantastic movie, I really enjoyed it. 00:23:28.722 --> 00:23:32.309 It's again, it's not perfect, but I I do think it is worth more than the global cume has, you know, collected at this point. 00:23:32.309 --> 00:23:36.262 So it's it's interesting to know that. 00:23:36.262 --> 00:23:47.371 Uh, you know, like we are currently seeing a very, very low, like almost like phase one numbers for movies, um, for marvel and that's that's. 00:23:47.371 --> 00:23:50.569 That's bizarre to me, because they were such heavy hitters for so many years. 00:23:50.569 --> 00:23:58.861 You had films like black panther, captain marvel, a number of captain america films that were all breaking uh, a billion dollars at the box office. 00:23:58.861 --> 00:24:01.244 And it was easy, but it was easy money. 00:24:01.625 --> 00:24:02.989 I I think part of it is. 00:24:02.989 --> 00:24:08.028 I think that they're releasing on Disney Plus too quickly, Like look how fast Thunderbolts is already there. 00:24:08.028 --> 00:24:10.726 It could be that. 00:24:10.866 --> 00:24:19.221 It could be that If it's not something that you feel like you care if you get spoiled, right, if you're not into that, like right now. 00:24:19.221 --> 00:24:21.690 Like you, you're a perfect example, dakota. 00:24:21.690 --> 00:24:23.066 You've kind of fallen out. 00:24:23.066 --> 00:24:25.324 You don't watch a lot of the stuff, right. 00:24:25.324 --> 00:24:34.967 So now so much comes out that you can just kind of comfortably wait, and it's on disney plus, so correct, I mean, and you're a moviegoer, right. 00:24:34.967 --> 00:25:11.816 So like I, I am since the pandemic, like I love the streaming option, like I kind of liked when some of the stuff came out and it came out the same day on disney than it did in the theaters, right, that was fun, that was a fun time, you know, and I think that spoiled a lot of comic book fans and I think now it's like, well, this stuff is not that great, I can just wait yeah, I was gonna say we, you can't put off the fact that like the quality has gone down and even then, like you know, you know so. 00:25:12.220 --> 00:25:16.210 So, like I did end up seeing Thunderbolts. 00:25:16.210 --> 00:25:34.683 Well, I would say that Thunderbolts is definitely one of their better movies that they've come out with and, like the more recent years, it still is missing that quality that we used to have with marvel movies, like there was definitely some qa that was going on back in the day. 00:25:34.683 --> 00:25:46.420 That is just gone now and you know it's like they're and it's not even like and it's the crazy thing is is like they're not even like taking, it's not even like risk taking. 00:25:46.420 --> 00:25:53.759 You know they're like playing, it's like trying to play it safe, but like it's not even like quality. 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.423 You know it's. 00:25:55.423 --> 00:25:57.067 You're, you're getting like a knockoff. 00:25:57.067 --> 00:26:01.423 You know you're getting like a knockoff movie rather than, like you know, an mcu movie. 00:26:01.423 --> 00:26:24.336 You know it's, know, and I'm going to throw it to you, dakota, you know, because you're repping Superman today, would you say that the MCU movies of today do they match up or do they hold up to the Superman the movie 1975, gold standard 1978. 00:26:25.157 --> 00:26:26.700 Oh 1978. 00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:30.479 Yeah, the gold standard, uh, 1978, oh 1978. 00:26:30.479 --> 00:26:30.757 Yeah, uh, the gold standard. 00:26:30.757 --> 00:26:32.093 The reason anthony says that is because on our zoom call I have a superman. 00:26:32.048 --> 00:26:33.204 The movie background currently from our previous episode. 00:26:33.204 --> 00:26:43.281 I just I haven't changed it um, anthony has a wonderfully um appropriate fantastic four background for this episode and rich has a wonderfully appropriate battle star galactica um uh background. 00:26:43.281 --> 00:26:44.928 No, we call it battle, it's actually just the death star behind it. 00:26:44.928 --> 00:26:47.518 Yeah, and Rich has a wonderfully appropriate Battlestar Galactica background. 00:26:47.518 --> 00:26:51.022 We call it Battle, it's actually just the Death Star behind it. 00:26:51.022 --> 00:26:59.554 So, anyway, your question is do they hold up to the standard of the original Superman or are you being facetious? 00:27:00.034 --> 00:27:01.316 No, well, I was kind of joking. 00:27:01.316 --> 00:27:09.125 But I remember what you said that Feige was saying about Superman. 00:27:09.125 --> 00:27:13.713 And then when Superman came out he was like oh well, it's not superhero fatigue, because people went out to go see that. 00:27:13.713 --> 00:27:21.112 And then you said that he would go and show people this movie Superman, the movie from 1978, to show them what quality is Right from 1978. 00:27:21.112 --> 00:27:23.656 To like show them what quality is. 00:27:24.278 --> 00:27:30.307 Right, okay, so let's uh, let's back up just a hair, uh, so I can explain what I'm what I said. 00:27:30.307 --> 00:27:47.872 Uh, so according to a couple sources, including the, the novel, uh, the reign of Marvel studios, um, which is a book that came out a couple of years ago, which is a fantastic read, I I highly recommend the reign of marvel studios to any fan of just movies in general. 00:27:47.872 --> 00:27:54.492 You don't even have to have watched marvel studios films to enjoy it, because it's a history of the studio coming into its shape. 00:27:54.492 --> 00:28:23.483 But apparently in that book, uh, and and other interviews, feige has mentioned that he takes people to watch, uh, specifically directors when, when they get cast to join the MCU for a role or whatever, he brings those directors to watch the original Superman movie, and that is basically his gold standard for the dawn of superheroes and not to be encumbered by the weight of Marvel Studios. 00:28:23.483 --> 00:28:32.987 I guess, because that's something that the original Superman movie does it's not weighted down by what we expect from a superhero movie, and that's what's so freeing about it. 00:28:32.987 --> 00:28:38.532 But I cannot say that that ever happens in a Marvel movie past Phase 1. 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:45.608 Every Marvel movie, with the exception of Guardians of the Galaxy, has felt very much like a Marvel movie. 00:28:45.608 --> 00:28:54.885 It's just part of the DNA, it's part of the production process, it's part of the factory system that they have going on with Marvel Studios. 00:28:54.885 --> 00:29:09.384 So as far as whether these movies have that original sheen that is the gold standard of what Superman produced, produced in 78 I would say, you know, in many cases they're better movies. 00:29:09.384 --> 00:29:14.964 Some, some of them, are much better, but they don't have that, uh, that vibe of the original one. 00:29:14.964 --> 00:29:24.009 And as far as like marvel today versus marvel on the like phase one, phase two eras, they have nailed down a formula that they try to encompass with every movie. 00:29:24.009 --> 00:29:38.571 It's a three-act phase of each film that leads towards a bigger picture, and that is the case for pretty much every single Marvel movie that has ever been made. 00:29:39.380 --> 00:29:49.645 But I think the original Phase 1 films have a certain level of uniqueness because they didn't have a boiled down formula at that point. 00:29:49.645 --> 00:29:51.009 So there there is some. 00:29:51.009 --> 00:29:51.770 There's a big difference. 00:29:51.770 --> 00:29:54.204 You know and you can even feel that formula in fantastic four. 00:29:54.204 --> 00:30:17.909 You know there's a lot of cut stuff from it, but you can you can totally 100 if you did not know that this was a marvel movie and you watched this movie but you'd seen other marvel movies in the past, you would be like, oh, this kind of reminded me of some of the other marvel movies that I've I've seen, but in a unique way, and I don't want to denigrate uh, fantastic four, it's just, it is formulaic, like that's, that's just part of the the baked in structure. 00:30:17.909 --> 00:30:21.804 You know you're gonna, if you're gonna bake cookies, you have to go a certain route. 00:30:21.804 --> 00:30:25.189 You know you have to crack the eggs at a certain point, you have to add the sugar at a certain point. 00:30:25.189 --> 00:30:31.144 It's just part of the the process for marvel yeah, you know um I do but go ahead. 00:30:31.285 --> 00:30:38.748 I do think that another part of the problem that we don't talk about a lot is the next generation is not reading comic books. 00:30:38.748 --> 00:30:42.113 Sure, right, like they're not into soup. 00:30:42.113 --> 00:30:52.228 Like when the when phase one came out and I'm I'm a years older than you guys, but it was like, oh my goodness, this right, because we never got that. 00:30:52.228 --> 00:31:01.950 Like, we had sure we had Superman, and then I was gone and we had, you know, we had Michael Keaton, batman for a little bit, right, but we didn't have great Marvel showings like this. 00:31:01.950 --> 00:31:04.467 So I just think that, like it caught the. 00:31:04.467 --> 00:31:17.491 I think it caught the right generation at the right time, right, I'm 43 and I would say that very few of my friends outside of you guys that are my age are getting excited about the stuff. 00:31:17.491 --> 00:31:20.988 They're it's and it's almost like it's too much, so they feel behind. 00:31:20.988 --> 00:31:28.796 Like I have friends who love this stuff, but they're like it's like homework and I'm I'm behind, I'm a semester behind you know you mentioned something. 00:31:29.218 --> 00:31:34.328 Uh, you mentioned that there was a certain level, a certain level of specialness. 00:31:34.328 --> 00:31:37.422 When they first came out, this was something that hadn't happened before. 00:31:37.422 --> 00:31:42.221 Oh man, this guy, this, this producer, he's saying that this is all going to lead to the avengers. 00:31:42.221 --> 00:31:48.045 So wait, thor is going to team up with Captain America and Iron man and maybe even the Hulk. 00:31:48.045 --> 00:31:51.948 Wow, and they're more recognizable too. 00:31:51.948 --> 00:31:57.904 There's nothing special about going to see a Marvel movie these days besides the big team-ups. 00:31:57.904 --> 00:31:59.470 Obviously those are special. 00:32:00.663 --> 00:32:04.229 Or the finales of certain things Like Guardians of the Galaxy 3, that was a very special movie. 00:32:04.229 --> 00:32:05.863 It was a fantastic story. 00:32:05.863 --> 00:32:13.528 It was just well crafted and it was the end of something, and it's something that we don't experience a lot of in the mcu, and ends are good. 00:32:13.528 --> 00:32:29.615 When it comes to narratives, you know like you need solid endings to things for you to have resolution, and if that ending never comes, you will just drift away from the story over time, and I think that's what a lot of people are experiencing currently. 00:32:29.615 --> 00:32:33.546 And there's this I can keep going with with the mc we need some competition, man. 00:32:33.707 --> 00:32:39.185 We need honestly, we need to dc you like, we need those movies to like. 00:32:39.185 --> 00:32:43.266 Keep on kicking it, bro, like we need a great job with superman. 00:32:43.266 --> 00:32:44.332 You know that was good. 00:32:44.332 --> 00:32:47.063 You know, hopefully, supergirl solid. 00:32:47.063 --> 00:32:49.087 You know, I know that they're working on some. 00:32:49.087 --> 00:32:59.865 You know castings for other, for other characters, but you know, I I feel like, I feel that we can, we can trust that that sean gunn's gonna do some, some solid stuff. 00:32:59.865 --> 00:33:06.426 Man, you know, I thought his version, his iteration of the suicide squad was pretty good and yeah, man, superman. 00:33:06.886 --> 00:33:17.961 So so yeah, and if you, if you guys have seen the uh, the set photos that are coming out of the spider-man uh brand, uh, brand new day uh film that are coming out. 00:33:17.961 --> 00:33:21.835 If you look online and look up spider-man photos, it looks phenomenal, like they. 00:33:21.835 --> 00:33:27.022 That actually looks like it's going to be a really really good spider-man movie because they're filming everything practically. 00:33:27.022 --> 00:33:30.194 They're filming the swinging through the the city, practically. 00:33:30.194 --> 00:33:31.617 It looks amazing. 00:33:31.617 --> 00:33:35.933 And, um, it actually looks like the actor is swinging from a web. 00:33:35.933 --> 00:33:37.298 It's actually really, really cool. 00:33:37.298 --> 00:33:44.659 So I I'm not over marvel, I'm just having a low period and I I do plan to get back into it and I'm excited to see thunderbolts. 00:33:44.659 --> 00:33:50.419 And getting back to the topic at hand, I really did enjoy my time with fantastic four. 00:33:50.419 --> 00:33:56.055 I was reticent to see it because of my malaise currently, but I was. 00:33:56.055 --> 00:33:58.619 I I immediately like, re-watched it. 00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:00.122 I I went to go see it a second time. 00:34:00.122 --> 00:34:05.678 It was just something that really felt new for me, even though there was that formula. 00:34:05.789 --> 00:34:06.794 Wait a second. 00:34:06.794 --> 00:34:09.916 You said you went to go see it a second time because of the Avatar trailer. 00:34:10.418 --> 00:34:13.938 Okay, we've got to take a step back. 00:34:13.938 --> 00:34:17.456 I did actually. 00:34:17.456 --> 00:34:23.840 That was something that I was deeply, deeply excited to visit and then revisit. 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.077 You know, like, let's talk about that Avatar trailer. 00:34:26.077 --> 00:34:28.115 I know, rich, you haven't even seen the movies, right? 00:34:28.778 --> 00:34:28.918 No. 00:34:28.918 --> 00:34:42.994 I know, I have like a rough idea that, like you know, scientists were able to basically like inhabit someone of, like go into the world um and interact with, and there's like a war. 00:34:43.054 --> 00:34:43.757 Alien life form. 00:34:43.757 --> 00:34:52.452 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know like the general strokes, the broad stroke okay, um, it's, it's james cameron's, like it's his, it's his star wars you know it's his baby it's. 00:34:52.532 --> 00:35:01.726 It's the project that he's wanted to work on since the early 90s and he's finally capable of doing it because uh, cgi has made its way and he, he, you know. 00:35:01.726 --> 00:35:16.322 But anyway, so the the trailer for, or the teaser rather for, uh, fire and ash, the third avatar film, has uh dropped and it's just mind-blowing visuals, like it's just there's gonna be so much in that movie. 00:35:16.322 --> 00:35:17.411 That is just. 00:35:17.411 --> 00:35:26.782 I'm so excited about um and this is the wrong podcast to like gush about it, but I did really think it was cool and, uh, apparently they did this everywhere. 00:35:26.782 --> 00:35:30.119 You watched all the trailers leading up to the movie. 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:43.331 Then they show the ads for the cinema or whatever it is, then the lights turn off and then they show you the avatar trailer as if, like, you're starting the movie, so it's actually attached to the picture and I think that that's just. 00:35:43.331 --> 00:35:50.195 It was brilliant and it made that trailer feel like it was part of the ticket price and that was cool. 00:35:50.195 --> 00:35:51.039 That was really cool. 00:35:51.913 --> 00:35:52.996 But let's take it back. 00:35:52.996 --> 00:35:55.356 Let's continue to talk about Fantastic Four. 00:35:55.356 --> 00:36:01.789 We keep getting sidetracked four. 00:36:01.789 --> 00:36:08.938 We keep getting sidetracked and there's so much that um is bottled up in the world of fantastic four and, like the, the behind the scenes of the movie, that it's so easy to get uh derailed by the discussion of culture as a whole. 00:36:08.938 --> 00:36:20.545 But, um, I think the movie does deserve to be spoken about, you know, just as is, because I really liked uh universe 8, like I thought that was just gorgeous. 00:36:20.545 --> 00:36:22.603 Was it 828 or was it 818? 00:36:22.623 --> 00:36:23.429 No, it was 828. 00:36:24.672 --> 00:36:28.740 Because Kirby's birthday is like 828 something. 00:36:29.101 --> 00:36:29.643 That's correct. 00:36:29.643 --> 00:36:31.257 Yes, they showed that at the end. 00:36:31.257 --> 00:36:38.364 I wasn't sure because I know that in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness we go to Earth 818. 00:36:38.385 --> 00:36:39.309 Yeah, you're right. 00:36:39.610 --> 00:36:41.190 So I might have got those confused, but yeah, all right. 00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:43.215 828 um, let's talk about that. 00:36:43.215 --> 00:36:49.942 Just because it was such a unique setting, um, it was far different from anything that we had seen in marvel before. 00:36:49.942 --> 00:36:54.893 It almost has like a post-modern, uh sci-fi look. 00:36:54.893 --> 00:36:55.775 You know like it's. 00:36:55.775 --> 00:37:00.503