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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode
129 of Project Geekology.

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My name is Dakota.

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I'm one-third of your host.

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I'm joined, as always, with
Anthony and joining us.

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Speaker 3: Rich, super excited
to talk to you guys about

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Smallville.

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This week.

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I've been.

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I mean, I look, I'll just tell
you guys off-air this was said.

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I told everybody involved in
this podcast that I would have

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been willing if this, if, if
they were willing to do this, I

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was willing to just make this a
like 100 something episode run

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of just smallville, like a
weekly discussion, breaking each

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episode down.

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And, lucky for you guys, our
other hosts care about you more

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than that, so we we will not be
doing that, but I'm super

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excited.

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I don't know about you, gents.

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Speaker 2: Our three fans are
grateful.

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Speaker 1: You know what I would
love to do something like that.

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I don't know that I have the
stamina for it.

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I have the love for it.

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I do really love this show.

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I think, going back to this
show again, it's easily in my

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top five top ten shows ever.

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But yeah, I don't know that
each episode deserves a full

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hour of my attention, like
vocally anyway, but as a whole,

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season-wide, I think that we can
make a really nice episode out

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of each season, and there's ten
seasons.

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So instead of breaking it up
into like half seasons or

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whatever, I think if we go back
to smallville down the line,

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we'll just do whole seasons,
just because it encompasses an

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entire story and a vibe that
each season has, and I think the

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first season has a very
specific vibe that we can talk

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about as a whole so right, and I
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show starts to dive into lore,
you know, like superman lore,

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it's not enough to where I feel
like I need to break it down

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into, like you know, two-parter.

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Speaker 2: Like rings of power
definitely needed to be broken

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down into two halves.

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I really wish that we did that
with shogun.

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Shogun 100 could have, you know
, gone for that treatment, but

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you know, this is something that
we decided after the fact.

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But, yeah, no, I, I, I really
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, depending on whatever it is
that we're covering, yeah,

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smallville, I, I could, I could
say that like we could do the

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full season in a one-episode run
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to do a play-by-play of each
episode.

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Speaker 1: We will be talking
about certain moments in each

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episode, maybe not each episode,
but moments that stuck out to

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us individually and we'll touch
on that as a group.

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But yeah, it's going to be
exciting discussing Smallville

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and we won't be doing it every
single week, but we definitely

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want to eventually get through
the 10 seasons of Smallville.

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I think that would be a fun
goal for us.

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But as it stands, we're
covering the first 21 episodes

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of Smallville, the first season,
starting with the pilot episode

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, ending in the.

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I forget what the final episode
is called, but it's something

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akin to oh, it's Tempest, it's
called Tempest.

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So, yeah, we're going to be
covering all of that and more

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you know what.

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Before we get into any of that,
let's jump into what we've been

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up to this past week.

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Let's start with you, rich.

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What have you been up to?

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Speaker 3: Hopefully something
epic you know I will just recap

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it quickly, but you know I did
attend a number of Met games.

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They were actually back in town
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They were away and had some
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long time ago, so these weren't
even spur of the moment tickets.

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Pete Alonso is a very prolific
player on the New York Mets, one

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of my favorites.

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Despite the fact that Mr Soto
got paid so much money, I

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actually woke up in the
offseason every day just looking

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at Twitter going please tell me
they signed Pete Alonso, like I

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didn't care that we got the
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I needed Pete and he's been a
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nobody's really come close to
ever being able to do this.

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He took over the franchise lead
for home runs at 254 home runs,

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so I got to be there in
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Speaker 1: So the record now is
254 home runs for a Mets player.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as like wearing
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So for example there was a
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played for a lot of teams and
when he played on the Mets he

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did hit his 500th home run as a
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't count.

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Yeah, because he wasn't a met
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understand so these are two pete
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when it comes to mets, players
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cool it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a cool moment,
like they and you were there

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for that game yeah that's
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How was the stadium?

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It was crazy.

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I mean, the only thing that I
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a person, was, you know I was
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I remember sitting there and I
was getting anxious during his

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at bats, because now, every time
he comes up, everybody's like

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oh, oh, this could be it right
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So the first time he came up he
hit one like, let's say, five

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feet short of the left field
wall, and you're like, oh man,

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he's trying to do it.

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And the next step bad he came
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just hit it out like right away
and they did uh they had like a

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graphic.

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They call him the polar bear, so
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animations walking past
strawberries, because daryl

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strawberry was the guy who has
the record, so it's like he's

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walking and it's very weird,
absolutely ridiculous definitely

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ai slop like it's absurd and
Absolutely ridiculous,

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definitely AI slop Like it's
absurd.

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And then the play-by-play guy
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says out loud, he said he's like
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reached it, he's on an iceberg
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Speaker 1: How sad for him, how
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Like that, like that's, so,
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Speaker 3: you know, poor, get
him off of there so that that

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was pretty cool yeah, and I just
we got to see a bunch of movies

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we went to see.

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Now, since we last recorded, I
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how was that?

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really fun.

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My, my son, uh, and wife loved
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They they read them together,
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kind of thing routine, so he's
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So they went.

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They were very excited about it
and I I thought it was.

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I just thought it was weird
when I realized it was sam

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rockwell as the lead voice,
because I think of him as like

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that twerp in iron man iron man
too yeah, yeah, you know I

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didn't even realize that there
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Speaker 1: Very interesting,
very interesting.

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Let's bring it over to anthony.

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What the heck have you been up
to, my guy?

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Speaker 2: man.

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I have been living my 2004 life
man or 2005 yeah, man, I've

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been tell me about it.

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Tell me about it yeah, dude,
like I've been watching

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smallville and playing World of
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You know, because I've seen
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definitely one of those things
that I know what's going on so I

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don't have to fully pay
attention and so I'll be playing

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World of Warcraft and then I'll
watch, like what's going on

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screen and then go back to wow
and, dude, it's just been a good

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time.

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Like it really brought me back
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doing that.

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But yeah, I know, I've been
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I mean, I had already seen
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ago.

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So, like right now I'm on
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I didn't.

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I mean, season one is fresh in
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I've seen the most.

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So it's, you know and it's not.

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It doesn't really start to deep
, it doesn't really start to

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dive into deeper, you know
krypton lore, until you get to

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season two.

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So you know, it's nothing too
crazy in the first season, but

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yeah, it's been a good time, man
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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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That's really cool to hear.

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I'm happy to hear.

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Speaker 2: What about you,
Dakota?

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I know you got some stuff going
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Speaker 1: Not as much as you
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In fact, I pretty much have
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which has been fun.

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I think a big portion of doing
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for a weekly show means that
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spend most of your time, most of
your free time anyway, watching

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Smallville episodes, and it's a
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It's a lovely opportunity to
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that you haven't visited in
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So for me this was a really,
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my wife Jen has never watched
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just like in passing, like I
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or my brother might have turned
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experienced it that way, but she
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of the character drama or
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So this has been a really fun
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able to experience it for the
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else's eyes, even though I know
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each and every episode.

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It's fun, I'm really enjoying
it and, yeah, I don't think I've

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been up to anything else.

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I will be going to Iceland
tomorrow, so I'm going to be out

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next week, whether or not there
will be a Project.

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Speaker 2: Geek ecology show out
next week is up to our other

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hosts, but I will not be present
yes, I think that uh well, rich

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, and I will kind of like plan
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releasing.

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So just keep an ear out.

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That episode will be a surprise
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Yeah, I think this will be the
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a rich and anthony episode.

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Speaker 3: We haven't had a
dakota and rich episode, but

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maybe in the future and we're
probably thinking about, like

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what, a deep dive on the marlins
baseball franchise starting in

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1997.

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So anthony's?

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Speaker 1: just shaking his
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Anthony just started shaking
his head I I love it, I love it

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yeah.

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I love that.

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No, I'm excited to hear what
you guys come up with for next

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episode, but for this episode I
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into all of Smallville.

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I want to talk about just going
back to this show and what it

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means or what it meant back in
the day show and what it means

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or what it meant back in the day
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the cw like arrowverse shows
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This was before flash.

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This was before arrow.

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This was before legends of
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supergirl.

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There was another super man
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Actually there was a bunch of
shows that all kind of stemmed

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out of what was the space that
Smallville left after it

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concluded after 10 seasons,
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Smallville that's when they
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that spawned a whole genre of
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think that's awesome that they
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But that would never have been
possible if it weren't for the

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10 seasons of Smallville
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Superman before he was Superman,
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special thing.

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I think it's very cool that you
know the very first DC comic

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superhero is the one that kicked
off, you know, kickstarted a

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huge franchise for Warner
Brothers and CW.

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Even though it's not like a
huge franchise nowadays, it was

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for a good portion of the 2010s
portion of the 2010s.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it, it went on
for a while, man.

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It spanned pretty much from the
early 2000s all the way to the

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early 2010s, and it lasted
pretty long.

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I mean 10 seasons of this show.

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A lot of shows don't last that
long so smallville.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think for
a good portion of time it held

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the record for longest running
American sci-fi drama.

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Wow, you know, like a live
action American sci-fi drama.

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I think it hit like 210
episodes or something like that,

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something close to around 200
plus episodes that were

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consecutively released over a 10
year period without any major

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breaks, and that is a record
that I think was only broken by

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Supernatural.

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I think Supernatural was the
one that you know broke that

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record, but it's still very
oppressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaking of that Supernatural,
one of the characters of that

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show was on Smallville in a
later season.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no.

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This is only season one.

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We don't know.

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We don't know about those
people.

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Speaker 2: Yet the the um I know
the reference the uh, what do

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you call it?

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Um, I guess the rules on
spoilers are just that they're

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non-existent now, but yeah,
whenever, whenever we get to, uh

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, I would love it.

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Whenever we get to that season,
we'll talk about it again.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, anthony, I
want you to say it right and I

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want somebody to write into the
show and be like I can't believe

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.

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I've been waiting to watch the
entirety of Smallville and I was

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listening to season one to see
if I would dive in, and you've

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ruined it for me, anthony.

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Speaker 2: That would be wild.

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You know that.

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That'd be like like really old
hate, like just think about that

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It's like what rock were you
under?

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Speaker 1: so let's talk a
little bit about I mean, let's

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talk a lot about about
smallville, season one.

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I think one thing that I really
like about this first season is

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that it's not immediately
grabbing.

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When I think of Smallville, I
think of the long arcs that the

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characters have, drama-wise, in
later seasons.

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We start getting multi-episode
story arcs later down the line

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and we only really start getting
those in the end of the first

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season when they start threading
in story beats that pay off

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later and for a good portion of
season one it's like them

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continuously just dipping their
toes in the pool and seeing,

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does this work, pose in the pool
and seeing, does this work,

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does this work, does this work?

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And some of it does, some of it
doesn't.

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So I want to hear your thoughts
on, like, what did work this

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season.

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I know Anthony, you're all the
way in season three at this

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point and Rich, you're well into
season two.

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I started watching season two
as well, but we're just talking

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season one right now.

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What really worked for you in
the beginning of smallville?

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What didn't work for you in the
beginning of smallville?

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Speaker 2: let's start with
anthony so kind of like it's

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exactly like what you said.

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It doesn't grab you right away,
I guess, like story-wise, and I

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think that that's why we got a
lot of the freak of the week,

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you know, especially in the
beginning of that season, where

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it was also a way to kind of
showcase what Clark can do at

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that time, because by the time
we get to Smallville, I mean, it

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starts off with the meteor
shower that you know.

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Krypton explodes, the meteor
shower happens, but we don't get

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Clark at a very young age.

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Shower happens, but we don't
get clark at a very young age.

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I mean, you see him, you know,
as a kid popping up to jonathan

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and martha kent, but you get him
at his, you know, at his

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freshman year of high school.

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And so I think in the beginning
it's trying to show you what he

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can do, like what he knows, and
there's a lot that he just

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doesn't know.

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I really like that.

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We have this young clark that
he only know.

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He knows that he has super
strength, he knows that he has

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super speed and and this
invulnerability until, like you

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know, he comes across kryptonite
.

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But it's, you know, and even
then in this season they call it

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meteor rock.

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You know they don't even call
it kryptonite.

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So I like that.

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I like that they build up to
the name of it you know, and

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that even the name of it you
know.

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I mean, you find it out later
but it's.

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I like that there's a lot that
you know, even though even if

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you're a Superman fan, you know
about some of these elements.

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I like that they build them up
and, like you said, they start

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to pay off in later seasons and
I think that that's what they do

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really well, is to really like
set the T up and then for them

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to just, you know, whack away at
, you know, at some of these,

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some of these later story beats.

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But yeah, like you said, I think
that the fact that it has a

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little bit of a slow start Is
what kind of messes it up a

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little bit, but not enough to
take you out completely.

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And I think that at the time
that you and I watched it, we

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were young enough to like really
not care about some of this

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stuff, and so we look back on it
fondly, you know.

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I know, like you and I, we kind
of know our experiences with

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smallville.

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We watched it back, like you
know, when it premiered.

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So you know yours and I like
our experiences are very similar

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.

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I'm really like interested in
like hearing like what Rich has

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to say.

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You know, kind of to answer
your question and his

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relationship with that.

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Like you know, in those earlier
days did you like Rich, did you

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watch it when it started coming
out or did you watch it down

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the line?

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Speaker 3: It's hard to pinpoint
, so I think that I didn't watch

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it at first.

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What year did it come out?

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This was 2001.

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Okay, so I'm 19 at the time and
I don't think I had started to

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watch it.

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I think I ended up moving in
with a roommate who was pretty

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into it and he tried to get me
to watch a couple.

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And then something kind of my
work schedule changed and it was

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actually a big deal because I
used to work in a group home.

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So you know, I I have to go to
appointments and stuff like that

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, but a lot of the time was
spent in the house so you'd have

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the tv on.

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So when I worked the morning
shift, I watched all of charmed,

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like the woman who was the boss
of that shift basically was

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like, by the way, we watched
charmed here, like, so like we.

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It was always charmed, we never
missed an episode of charmed.

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And then when I worked the
night shift, the kind of crew,

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the shift leader, was a huge fan
of smallville, so it was on

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like every night on, like abc
disney or abc family, I think at

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the time it was called.

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So that's how I started
watching.

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It was really like he was
really into it.

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I'd watch some of it with him.

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And then they did one of those
random resets when they're doing

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reruns and he was like, oh,
this is the perfect moment for

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you.

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So then we binged it.

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You know as much as you could
binge in those days, like we

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watched it every day, and I
don't think they played them on

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saturdays and sundays.

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I think they stayed true to the
rerun model, let's say 6 pm or

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5 pm every Monday through Friday
.

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So you know the Monday show
would be the one from the Friday

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show.

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So I ended up, I'd say, maybe in
the middle, probably somewhere

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in the middle, catching up on it
.

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And there are things I love
about it.

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I do, finally, recall it being,
like you know, one of the first

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superhero shows that I got to
watch.

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So that was really cool.

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I forgot how much and I'm not
saying the actors, but I forgot

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how many of the characters I
absolutely despise, like just I,

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I can't stand them.

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If I was their teacher, I would
have a hard time holding my

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disdain back from these students
.

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I, you know, I don't want to
name names we'll get.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that for
sure are you talking about the,

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the fully grown adult high
schoolers?

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That you know, back then it was
believable, like so it was

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believable for like dakota and I
, because you know we were

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younger and everybody was older
than us.

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But then, like you look back at
it now and you're like nah,

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these are college kids and
they're in high school I could

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buy okay.

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Speaker 3: So like allison mack
I can buy kind of as a high

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school kid I don't know if he's
the oldest- tom wellington, tom

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wellington tom welling is like
he.

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That man looks like he's in
senior year of college yeah, no,

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he, he is, and lana can pass, I
think too.

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And, honestly, pete I'm not
sure if it's because he's also

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smaller and I think that he
works for his, I think he, I can

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buy him being in high school
more definitely than tom welling

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, and then you know.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got lex,
who, uh, I don't know, is

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supposed to be like six years
older than them and creepily

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involved in their entire lives,
because it's so funny, like when

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clark would walk into the
mansion and look so much like

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like they're so close in age,
yeah, and like they're about the

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same height and everything too.

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Like I think clark was a little
bit taller, actually I think

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he's just a bit taller, so it's
just so funny.

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But, like you know, that's just
a little bit of the knocks, but

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it's not just smallville,
that's just what it was.

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That was that time you had
people that were well into their

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20s playing high schoolers and
a lot of movies and tv shows

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back then so actually, pete was
the youngest of all of these

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guys.

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Yes, he was 18 years old in 2001
was in, uh, kristin, I think

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she was about that age too she
and allison mack were 19 in 2001

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so they were roughly around the
same age.

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Speaker 1: Tom welling was 24.

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I think michael rosenbaum was a
little older than the rest of

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them dude michael rosenbaum, man
like we'll get to lex oh man

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he's he's so good, but we'll get
to it.

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I want to chime in really quick
about the first couple episodes

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or just the first season in
general, like as a whole, first

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seasons are hard, especially for
long-running shows like this

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that are trying to get their
feet, trying to find their

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audience.

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I think of some of the bigger
shows in the science fiction

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realm and I think of star trek,
the next generation.

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Everyone always says that the
first season is really rough and

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it is.

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It's the hardest one to really
get into because it's just

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clearly a writer's room of
people with ideas like well,

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let's do an episode about this,
let's do an episode about that,

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let's do an episode about this,
and they don't really gel

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together.

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There's no real overarching
story in season one of the next

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generation.

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After that point you start
getting character arcs and you

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know multi-season dramas with
the cast, and I feel the same

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thing is happening in this first
season of smallville, where it

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takes a long time before we
start getting multi-episode

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stories and multi-episode arcs
for characters.

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And that's not a bad thing, but
it's.

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00:22:50,367 --> 00:22:53,973
It definitely hurts it on a
re-watch, I think, for me, just

462
00:22:54,013 --> 00:22:58,790
because I do miss the
multi-series arcs.

463
00:22:58,790 --> 00:23:02,200
So like going back to the first
season watching 10 episodes,

464
00:23:02,781 --> 00:23:05,329
and it's just 10 episodes of
freak of the week and clark is

465
00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:08,826
trying to figure out, like you
know, what whatever's going on

466
00:23:09,469 --> 00:23:11,271
with meteor rocks in that
episode.

467
00:23:11,271 --> 00:23:17,192
It's fine, it's fine and it's
fun, but it's, it doesn't have

468
00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:17,814
the draw.

469
00:23:17,814 --> 00:23:21,563
That, like the best of
smallville has, is what I'm

470
00:23:21,583 --> 00:23:22,964
trying to, you know, get at.

471
00:23:22,964 --> 00:23:28,060
I think real Smallville doesn't
start until the end of season

472
00:23:28,221 --> 00:23:31,769
one and like, really, you know,
takes off in the beginning of

473
00:23:31,808 --> 00:23:35,644
season two and I think it takes
a little bit of getting into,

474
00:23:36,546 --> 00:23:38,830
just to get into it, if that
makes sense.

475
00:23:38,830 --> 00:23:41,002
And so if you've never seen
Smallville and you start

476
00:23:41,042 --> 00:23:43,788
watching and you're four or five
episodes in, you're just like

477
00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:47,806
wow, this is just villain of the
week, a freak of the week,

478
00:23:47,846 --> 00:23:48,227
whatever.

479
00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:51,214
Just take your time, keep going
.

480
00:23:51,214 --> 00:23:56,205
It does get better and it's
worth putting the time into it

481
00:23:56,605 --> 00:24:00,634
because the show's genuinely
very good and when we were

482
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,487
growing up, anthony and I and
rich you were you said you were

483
00:24:03,527 --> 00:24:06,073
19 at the time there was nothing
like it.

484
00:24:07,161 --> 00:24:11,511
There was no long-form superhero
live-action content None.

485
00:24:11,511 --> 00:24:12,181
You know.

486
00:24:12,181 --> 00:24:15,259
There was a couple live-action
movies here and there.

487
00:24:15,259 --> 00:24:18,527
You had the Blade movie Just
before Smallville.

488
00:24:18,527 --> 00:24:21,373
You had X-Men, the first movie.

489
00:24:21,373 --> 00:24:24,131
Just shortly after the first
season, you had Spider-Man the

490
00:24:24,151 --> 00:24:24,372
first movie.

491
00:24:24,372 --> 00:24:25,738
Just shortly after the first
season, you had spider-man, the

492
00:24:25,758 --> 00:24:25,999
first movie.

493
00:24:25,999 --> 00:24:30,227
But long-form content did not
exist for superhero media.

494
00:24:30,728 --> 00:24:35,803
So this was it, this was the
canon that you had to subscribe

495
00:24:35,843 --> 00:24:41,939
to for, you know, extra
superhero lore and content and

496
00:24:41,959 --> 00:24:44,530
just diving into a universe, you
know like, besides comic books.

497
00:24:44,530 --> 00:24:49,467
This was it, and I think that
it did a phenomenal job because

498
00:24:50,028 --> 00:24:51,592
it does get into pretty heavy
lore.

499
00:24:51,592 --> 00:24:52,560
It just takes a while.

500
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,711
Like anthony said, they didn't
even call it kryptonite they.

501
00:24:54,711 --> 00:24:58,443
The word kryptonite does not
appear in the first 21 episodes

502
00:24:58,483 --> 00:25:01,310
of the show and even past that,
it's just not in the first

503
00:25:01,351 --> 00:25:01,612
season.

504
00:25:01,612 --> 00:25:05,279
It's just meteor rocks up until
, you know, clark learns more

505
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,003
about his own personal lore.

506
00:25:07,003 --> 00:25:08,205
We don't learn that yet.

507
00:25:09,067 --> 00:25:09,690
So I think it's.

508
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:10,270
I think it's a.

509
00:25:10,270 --> 00:25:12,583
Really, you know, subjectively
I think it's a.

510
00:25:12,583 --> 00:25:15,971
It's a fantastic time capsule
and, to you know, a period where

511
00:25:15,971 --> 00:25:19,746
we weren't bombarded with
superhero content left and right

512
00:25:19,746 --> 00:25:24,353
, and it's definitely worth
picking up because there was

513
00:25:24,393 --> 00:25:25,394
nothing like it at the time.

514
00:25:25,394 --> 00:25:29,390
But yeah, there is still plenty
to enjoy.

515
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:32,080
Let's finally start talking
about some of the characters and

516
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,191
some of the inner workings of
everybody.

517
00:25:35,191 --> 00:25:39,307
I'm going to throw it off to
Rich because I know he has some

518
00:25:39,671 --> 00:25:44,750
extremely spicy takes for this
extremely benign TV series.

519
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:50,505
Anthony and I are going to be
perhaps agreeing to some extent

520
00:25:50,525 --> 00:25:53,353
and perhaps disagreeing to a
larger extent, but we'll start

521
00:25:53,373 --> 00:25:54,455
with rich, let's.

522
00:25:54,455 --> 00:25:58,184
Which characters do you like
and which characters do you not

523
00:25:58,226 --> 00:25:58,405
like?

524
00:25:59,248 --> 00:26:02,682
Speaker 3: all right, so I I
like the kents I love the

525
00:26:02,702 --> 00:26:03,565
portrayal.

526
00:26:03,565 --> 00:26:04,548
I think the actors are good.

527
00:26:04,548 --> 00:26:09,007
I love Lionel Luthor, a man
from Gremlins 2.

528
00:26:09,007 --> 00:26:13,125
I can't remember the actor's
name, but he's from Gremlins 2

529
00:26:13,622 --> 00:26:13,842
also.

530
00:26:13,842 --> 00:26:16,304
I did, by the way, I had to
look it up because I was like

531
00:26:16,344 --> 00:26:22,304
that man is older than me and he
has glorious hair the most

532
00:26:22,384 --> 00:26:24,856
luscious hair it is a wig.

533
00:26:25,038 --> 00:26:28,426
Speaker 1: I looked it up no
yeah it's a wig you're lying to

534
00:26:28,467 --> 00:26:28,606
me.

535
00:26:28,867 --> 00:26:32,414
Speaker 3: No, I was I, you know
I I had a feeling, but I liked

536
00:26:32,455 --> 00:26:32,961
him a lot.

537
00:26:32,961 --> 00:26:36,167
I, I think michael rosenbaum
likes- is so it's.

538
00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:37,029
Speaker 1: It's john glover.

539
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:37,431
By the way.

540
00:26:37,431 --> 00:26:41,946
John glover is the actor for
lionel luther, the father of lex

541
00:26:41,946 --> 00:26:42,346
luther.

542
00:26:42,988 --> 00:26:45,051
Speaker 3: I think he's in a
muppet, christmas carol too, but

543
00:26:45,051 --> 00:26:46,474
I can't remember for sure.

544
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:50,089
But anyway, impossible I think
mike rosamund does such a good

545
00:26:50,131 --> 00:26:50,751
job of.

546
00:26:50,751 --> 00:26:55,464
I like I feel like I was fooled
in the first, like there, I

547
00:26:55,525 --> 00:26:58,151
remember that he's duplicitous
throughout, whatever you know,

548
00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:02,384
and but it's like you, you start
to see.

549
00:27:02,384 --> 00:27:04,347
I think the actor just does
such a great job.

550
00:27:04,347 --> 00:27:09,295
The portrayal is great because
the truth is we're Clark's, our

551
00:27:09,375 --> 00:27:12,285
analog right, like he's our in
some ways.

552
00:27:12,285 --> 00:27:16,580
You kind of see the show
through his eyes, right, and

553
00:27:16,662 --> 00:27:19,871
you're meant to kind of take his
side most of the time, right,

554
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,309
sometimes he acts like an
annoying teenager with his dad

555
00:27:23,369 --> 00:27:25,605
and stuff like that, like why
can't I play football?

556
00:27:25,605 --> 00:27:26,669
Come on, man.

557
00:27:26,669 --> 00:27:29,844
Like come on, you know, and
that whole episode being about

558
00:27:29,903 --> 00:27:33,847
how, no, it's that you don't
trust his judgment and that's

559
00:27:33,888 --> 00:27:34,459
why he's upset.

560
00:27:34,459 --> 00:27:37,769
And it's like the boy doesn't
understand that he can literally

561
00:27:37,769 --> 00:27:38,351
kill someone.

562
00:27:38,351 --> 00:27:42,009
And in his first practice he
like used Superman jumping

563
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:44,467
abilities, like first practice
on camera.

564
00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:48,527
Like I know it's not tiktok era
, but my dude, like your dad,

565
00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,451
was like hey, don't do anything
crazy.

566
00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:53,566
And he's like, by the way,
second play of the game or

567
00:27:53,625 --> 00:27:58,058
practice, I'm gonna do something
crazy so, but you know he's a

568
00:27:58,098 --> 00:28:01,967
teenager, so, like whatever, you
know he's 14 can't you see that

569
00:28:01,967 --> 00:28:02,729
he's 14?

570
00:28:02,749 --> 00:28:04,633
Speaker 1: I mean, I think
that's another problem.

571
00:28:04,653 --> 00:28:07,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's that
teenage angst man we all wanted

572
00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:08,587
to do our own thing.

573
00:28:08,859 --> 00:28:11,910
Speaker 3: See, that might be
another one of the problems also

574
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:11,910
.

575
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:13,724
Speaker 2: With him looking
older.

576
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,477
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you
know.

577
00:28:15,477 --> 00:28:15,720
Okay.

578
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,721
So my main villain, I think the
villain of the story, some of

579
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,971
you might say maybe one day and
I'm not trying to do spoilers,

580
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:30,744
I'm just gonna say the name
doomsday, because it's part of

581
00:28:30,765 --> 00:28:30,945
superman.

582
00:28:30,945 --> 00:28:32,150
I can't remember anything about
the show that far.

583
00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:32,351
All right.

584
00:28:32,351 --> 00:28:33,695
So no, the main villain is not
doomsday, it's not bizarro,

585
00:28:33,715 --> 00:28:34,398
ladies and gentlemen.

586
00:28:34,398 --> 00:28:36,922
It's lana lang from episode one
.

587
00:28:36,922 --> 00:28:40,026
She is the main antagonist.

588
00:28:40,026 --> 00:28:42,608
You're like wait, but lex hits
him with a car.

589
00:28:42,608 --> 00:28:45,752
It has to be lex, you're wrong.

590
00:28:45,752 --> 00:28:47,714
You're wrong.

591
00:28:47,714 --> 00:28:52,546
She is in a committed
relationship with let's.

592
00:28:52,546 --> 00:28:57,954
You know a bag of trash over
here in whitney, who, as you

593
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,465
guys, can't see this, but behind
dakota, in his background, is

594
00:29:01,546 --> 00:29:06,554
tom welling, you know being hung
out, uh, you know, crucified by

595
00:29:06,554 --> 00:29:10,727
whitney in a cornfield in a
cornfield just for existing.

596
00:29:11,367 --> 00:29:15,845
And then he oddly leaves his
girlfriend's very important,

597
00:29:15,944 --> 00:29:19,615
valuable necklace around the
neck of this guy who he's just

598
00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:24,125
bullying to possible death,
which is, you know, stand-up guy

599
00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:28,705
, and she keeps seeing him for
who he is and not leaving him,

600
00:29:28,926 --> 00:29:32,619
but then consistently stringing
clark along and this guy's like

601
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,902
there's one episode where he's
like you know, I'm just trying

602
00:29:34,922 --> 00:29:37,762
to leave the door open, mom and
his mom's like, clark, the door

603
00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:38,503
is closed.

604
00:29:39,105 --> 00:29:41,230
Speaker 1: Right, the door is
she actually says those, she

605
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:42,472
says those those words.

606
00:29:42,492 --> 00:29:45,729
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so and
it's just I don't.

607
00:29:45,729 --> 00:29:48,799
And then what she, just kind of
like, drops out of school,

608
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,887
decides to run the, the coffee
shop which you know.

609
00:29:51,887 --> 00:29:53,811
She gets really lucky and lex
opens up.

610
00:29:54,733 --> 00:29:57,486
Speaker 1: She's just a I don't
think she, I don't think she

611
00:29:57,526 --> 00:30:00,159
ever drops out of school I don't
know, she stays in school.

612
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:01,948
Yeah, she definitely doesn't
stay in school.

613
00:30:01,948 --> 00:30:04,703
I don't know how a 14-year-old
runs a coffee shop.

614
00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:08,287
Speaker 3: She's managing the
talent, she's managing the

615
00:30:08,326 --> 00:30:11,413
talent, but she is also in
school.

616
00:30:11,575 --> 00:30:12,797
Speaker 1: You just got to roll
with it.

617
00:30:12,836 --> 00:30:17,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, suspension
of disbelief is needed with

618
00:30:17,175 --> 00:30:17,537
this show.

619
00:30:18,185 --> 00:30:22,016
Speaker 3: What I do like is I
love actually the Freak of the

620
00:30:22,056 --> 00:30:28,426
Week stuff is I love actually
the freak of the week stuff.

621
00:30:28,426 --> 00:30:30,391
I could probably watch like 175
episodes of freak of the week

622
00:30:30,411 --> 00:30:32,935
and just see how long they could
do it without having to like

623
00:30:33,557 --> 00:30:34,726
redo one, you know.

624
00:30:34,726 --> 00:30:37,515
But I mean I love the different
ways that.

625
00:30:37,515 --> 00:30:40,884
I mean, man, that first season,
like I'm in the bathroom and I

626
00:30:40,904 --> 00:30:43,669
heard like a rumbling because we
have the pipe to the outside

627
00:30:44,048 --> 00:30:47,834
and when you turn it off the
hose the air pressure is kind of

628
00:30:47,834 --> 00:30:50,938
built up so there's a slight
rumble when it starts and my son

629
00:30:50,938 --> 00:30:53,080
put it on and I thought it was
the bees.

630
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,885
I thought it was the bees.

631
00:30:54,905 --> 00:30:58,773
I was like, oh man, it's those
damn meteor queen bee, you know

632
00:30:59,075 --> 00:31:05,866
you know I love it man, I love
the bugs and they attack him and

633
00:31:05,866 --> 00:31:08,391
the bug kid and then he gets
better looking as he molts.

634
00:31:08,391 --> 00:31:09,172
I ate all that's like.

635
00:31:09,172 --> 00:31:13,339
I think I almost like that
stuff better, at least in the

636
00:31:13,404 --> 00:31:13,986
first season.

637
00:31:13,986 --> 00:31:17,133
Like I think it is moving a
little too slow with the lore so

638
00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:19,925
I kind of liked that stuff.

639
00:31:19,925 --> 00:31:25,961
I do have a little bit of kind
of exhaustion already with him

640
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,911
being possibly found out and I
feel like already in the first

641
00:31:31,152 --> 00:31:36,248
season and two episodes or three
episodes of season two I think

642
00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:39,895
they're like getting like they
get entirely too close too many

643
00:31:39,935 --> 00:31:42,891
times to being had, I think for
the first.

644
00:31:42,911 --> 00:31:44,685
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it
over to you for the first season

645
00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:45,086
and a half.

646
00:31:45,126 --> 00:31:48,534
Speaker 1: You know what I mean
sure, okay, all right, so a lot

647
00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:48,934
was said.

648
00:31:48,934 --> 00:31:53,432
Sorry, let's, let's, let's keep
on with what rich is saying

649
00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:58,204
currently about the fact that
there is far too many instances

650
00:31:58,865 --> 00:32:04,816
where clark has potentially been
had or is coming very close to

651
00:32:04,996 --> 00:32:06,117
Lex finding out the truth.

652
00:32:06,117 --> 00:32:12,118
How do you feel about, like,
what Lex knows now versus you

653
00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:12,220
know?

654
00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:13,584
What are your, what are your
thoughts?

655
00:32:13,584 --> 00:32:15,848
You know like there's a lot
that goes on in the first season

656
00:32:15,848 --> 00:32:19,767
that could potentially out
Clark right right now there's

657
00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:24,762
definitely a lot of like close
calls and I guess that could you

658
00:32:24,762 --> 00:32:24,903
know.

659
00:32:24,923 --> 00:32:26,827
Speaker 2: The argument for that
would be like, you know, yeah,

660
00:32:26,847 --> 00:32:32,838
he's young, so you know, while
he's decent at being secretive,

661
00:32:33,567 --> 00:32:36,777
you know there might be some
instances, especially with him

662
00:32:36,836 --> 00:32:40,407
being the the kind, that kind of
person that's always at like a

663
00:32:40,468 --> 00:32:44,557
crime scene, you know, like how
is this guy doing all this stuff

664
00:32:44,557 --> 00:32:44,557
?

665
00:32:44,825 --> 00:32:45,406
Speaker 1: every episode?

666
00:32:45,406 --> 00:32:48,594
I I have to, I have to, like, I
have to think about this show

667
00:32:48,815 --> 00:32:54,252
like in a bubble, because did he
just start high school and

668
00:32:54,313 --> 00:32:56,617
start, like you know,
experiencing all of these weird

669
00:32:56,657 --> 00:32:58,569
things that happen on a weekly
basis?

670
00:32:58,569 --> 00:33:01,240
Or did this happen in middle
school too, like?

671
00:33:01,682 --> 00:33:02,866
Speaker 2: yeah, they don't
really explain it.

672
00:33:02,886 --> 00:33:03,310
Speaker 1: They don't explain it
.

673
00:33:03,310 --> 00:33:04,540
No, yeah, no, they don't really
explain it they don't explain

674
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:04,622
it.

675
00:33:04,662 --> 00:33:04,964
Speaker 2: No, it's puberty.

676
00:33:04,964 --> 00:33:06,417
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

677
00:33:06,417 --> 00:33:07,003
It's puberty based.

678
00:33:07,003 --> 00:33:09,432
We don't get a young, we don't
get a.

679
00:33:09,592 --> 00:33:10,836
Speaker 3: Clark, it's puberty.

680
00:33:10,836 --> 00:33:14,074
It's like, you know, you skip
from Jesus as being born to the

681
00:33:14,173 --> 00:33:14,816
action times.

682
00:33:14,816 --> 00:33:19,815
You know, like I think we're
made to assume that he wasn't

683
00:33:19,835 --> 00:33:21,618
allowed to participate in sports
.

684
00:33:21,618 --> 00:33:26,067
He, he wasn't allowed to
participate in sports.

685
00:33:26,067 --> 00:33:26,470
He wasn't, you know.

686
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:27,753
He had to be very limited, and
I think also that he would have

687
00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:29,519
been way more obedient of his
parents.

688
00:33:30,082 --> 00:33:32,268
Speaker 1: So but here's the
thing like the, the freak of the

689
00:33:32,268 --> 00:33:34,252
week oh, did that what?

690
00:33:34,252 --> 00:33:35,896
Did that just start happening
when he's?

691
00:33:35,896 --> 00:33:36,885
When he entered high school?

692
00:33:36,885 --> 00:33:42,053
There was a wall of weird prior
to him entering high school,

693
00:33:42,473 --> 00:33:47,625
which makes me wonder is chloe a
freshman or is she a sophomore?

694
00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:48,989
I don't really know.

695
00:33:48,989 --> 00:33:52,436
I'm assuming they're the same
yeah, school year, but then

696
00:33:52,497 --> 00:33:56,215
later on she gets an internship
with the daily planet.

697
00:33:56,215 --> 00:33:58,505
So I'm a little bit confused,
because you wouldn't normally

698
00:33:58,565 --> 00:34:01,288
get an internship after your
freshman year of high school.

699
00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:04,452
Speaker 2: It's wild Actually,
you know what, with you being on

700
00:34:04,452 --> 00:34:08,840
on like you know the topic of
Chloe, how does she have so much

701
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,954
free reign, like just to go
into that, into the the torch at

702
00:34:13,954 --> 00:34:16,565
any time, like this girl's
there at like in the middle of

703
00:34:16,606 --> 00:34:17,528
the night working?

704
00:34:17,528 --> 00:34:20,777
What school allows a student
just to show up at like a

705
00:34:20,925 --> 00:34:22,088
newspaper in the middle?

706
00:34:22,128 --> 00:34:23,211
Speaker 3: of the night rich.

707
00:34:23,552 --> 00:34:24,434
Speaker 2: You work at a school.

708
00:34:24,434 --> 00:34:26,492
Would you have students that
are there in the middle of the

709
00:34:26,552 --> 00:34:28,579
night just doing whatever they
wanted?

710
00:34:28,961 --> 00:34:32,349
Speaker 3: I mean, almost every
building closes at a certain

711
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:37,306
point and even like in the days
of lower security, when I first

712
00:34:37,326 --> 00:34:42,876
started teaching, you wouldn't
have anything like that.

713
00:34:42,876 --> 00:34:45,601
I was part of newspaper staffs.

714
00:34:45,601 --> 00:34:50,670
I was the teacher in charge of
newspapers and there was never a

715
00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:55,079
time where it was dark outside
and we were working on the

716
00:34:55,105 --> 00:34:59,574
newspaper like right, and there
was never a teacher they.

717
00:34:59,795 --> 00:35:01,318
Yeah, that's the other thing
they could have.

718
00:35:01,318 --> 00:35:04,431
I don't know if it would have
killed them that much to have,

719
00:35:05,233 --> 00:35:08,302
because they end up having to
have the principal talk to the

720
00:35:08,342 --> 00:35:11,309
student directly, right,
principal quong has to, like,

721
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:14,836
talk directly to chloe and
basically suspends her for not

722
00:35:14,876 --> 00:35:16,067
confirming her sources.

723
00:35:16,067 --> 00:35:19,898
The principal usually calls the
teacher in charge of the

724
00:35:19,938 --> 00:35:22,347
program and and deals with it
that way.

725
00:35:22,347 --> 00:35:24,574
I don't know why there wasn't
that character.

726
00:35:24,574 --> 00:35:28,512
I and the character could have
eventually, you know, maybe

727
00:35:28,994 --> 00:35:32,851
started picking up on clark, but
could have been another because

728
00:35:32,851 --> 00:35:33,192
it's.

729
00:35:33,192 --> 00:35:36,563
It also is kind of crazy that
nobody at school seems to.

730
00:35:36,563 --> 00:35:39,208
I mean, it's also very easy to
get a job there, like desiree

731
00:35:39,407 --> 00:35:39,927
got a job.

732
00:35:40,248 --> 00:35:42,811
Speaker 1: No, oh, that was
season two, sorry.

733
00:35:42,891 --> 00:35:43,353
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

734
00:35:43,353 --> 00:35:49,541
I'm sorry, let's dial it back
Come on, let's get on track, all

735
00:35:49,541 --> 00:35:49,681
right.

736
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:53,547
Speaker 1: So I want to talk a
little bit about security.

737
00:35:53,547 --> 00:35:56,391
You mentioned, you know, in the
low security days of high

738
00:35:56,431 --> 00:35:56,693
school.

739
00:35:56,693 --> 00:36:01,681
A majority of this season was
filmed in a pre 9-11 world.

740
00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:04,666
This season was filmed in a
pre-911 world and I think that's

741
00:36:04,666 --> 00:36:10,307
important because we do see a
little bit of influence on a

742
00:36:10,387 --> 00:36:13,195
post-911 world by the end of
this season.

743
00:36:13,195 --> 00:36:17,166
I don't know if you guys are
cognizant of it at the time or

744
00:36:17,188 --> 00:36:21,481
if you've researched it after
the point, but after 9-11

745
00:36:21,541 --> 00:36:27,556
happened, there was a large push
in media for like pro-army,

746
00:36:27,655 --> 00:36:32,771
pro-marine, you know, type stuff
happening, and we actually do

747
00:36:32,813 --> 00:36:35,719
get a little bit of that at the
end of this season.

748
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,030
Where whitney is, I think he
signs up to be one of the

749
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:41,996
marines and I think that that's
uh, it's.

750
00:36:42,157 --> 00:36:46,527
It's a very timely thing because
the that episode occurs in

751
00:36:46,586 --> 00:36:49,293
early 2000 or in the school year
.

752
00:36:49,293 --> 00:36:52,061
It would be like just starting
summer 2002.

753
00:36:52,061 --> 00:36:57,373
But it was filmed early 2002,
so just months after 9-11

754
00:36:57,413 --> 00:37:00,639
happened, and there was a big
push both in media and in the

755
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,715
news cycle to just, you know,
join your local service of your

756
00:37:04,755 --> 00:37:06,971
choice and so be it.

757
00:37:06,971 --> 00:37:09,007
But I thought it was
interesting because you don't

758
00:37:09,047 --> 00:37:12,628
see a lot of that happening in
TV shows, where just a character

759
00:37:12,628 --> 00:37:16,090
will just join the army and
that's how they leave the show

760
00:37:16,492 --> 00:37:17,436
for a period of time.

761
00:37:17,436 --> 00:37:20,208
I don't remember if Whitney
comes back, I think he does for

762
00:37:20,228 --> 00:37:24,215
a little bit, but at the end of
the season I was kind of

763
00:37:24,637 --> 00:37:29,112
surprised because that it is
very much a time capsule.

764
00:37:29,112 --> 00:37:32,358
You know, like you mentioned in
the last episode, anthony, this

765
00:37:32,358 --> 00:37:36,355
show is very much a time
capsule of the early 2000s and I

766
00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:37,177
thought that was interesting.

767
00:37:37,177 --> 00:37:42,534
But going back to chloe being
allowed into the building at odd

768
00:37:42,534 --> 00:37:50,956
hours of the day Again, this
was a pre-9-11 show for much of

769
00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:51,621
the first season.

770
00:37:56,253 --> 00:37:58,260
Speaker 2: I still don't think
that would have been something

771
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,405
that would have occurred Perhaps
.

772
00:37:59,405 --> 00:38:02,329
Yeah, like a student being, you
know, like even like I don't

773
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:04,293
know, like I mean, we were in
school in a pre, you know, not

774
00:38:04,353 --> 00:38:09,224
high school, but we still know
we were in school pre 9-11.

775
00:38:09,224 --> 00:38:13,268
And you know, for the most part
I'm pretty sure that, like you

776
00:38:13,309 --> 00:38:17,534
had to be, you had to have some
sort of supervision and

777
00:38:17,594 --> 00:38:21,197
something especially, and even
in a lot of the media that

778
00:38:21,217 --> 00:38:24,541
portrays like students in a
school paper environment, there

779
00:38:24,581 --> 00:38:28,789
was always a teacher that was
the editor and then they would

780
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:32,257
read over the students' work.

781
00:38:32,257 --> 00:38:36,614
So, whether this being pre or
post 9-11, I still think that

782
00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:38,458
it's still kind of weird.

783
00:38:38,458 --> 00:38:41,731
It's still, you know, like.

784
00:38:41,751 --> 00:38:43,416
I don't want to try to be poking
holes.

785
00:38:43,416 --> 00:38:45,949
I love this show and for me it
is what it is.

786
00:38:45,949 --> 00:38:47,773
You know, that's what gives the
charm of the show.

787
00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:51,789
But you know, I was like
watching it over I I was

788
00:38:51,811 --> 00:38:54,536
thinking like, yeah, this is
kind of like this.

789
00:38:54,536 --> 00:38:56,927
She just gets to do whatever
it's a little bizarre she's a

790
00:38:56,989 --> 00:38:58,773
staff like she's staff at the
school.

791
00:38:59,353 --> 00:39:02,188
Speaker 1: what's even weirder,
you know sticking with the chloe

792
00:39:02,188 --> 00:39:03,190
side of things.

793
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:05,496
Now, how does she get that job?

794
00:39:05,496 --> 00:39:08,034
Because I'm assuming she's a
freshman?

795
00:39:08,034 --> 00:39:11,353
Everyone else in this show is a
freshman, except for Whitney I

796
00:39:11,592 --> 00:39:12,114
thought about that too.

797
00:39:12,114 --> 00:39:15,193
I think Whitney's the only
senior.

798
00:39:15,193 --> 00:39:18,773
Everyone else is Pete Clark
Lana.

799
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:19,956
Everyone's a freshman.

800
00:39:19,956 --> 00:39:24,096
How did Chloe become the editor
of the school newspaper?

801
00:39:24,096 --> 00:39:28,152
Like usually, that's something
that's passed down as you prove

802
00:39:28,193 --> 00:39:30,778
your worth over the course of
your high school career.

803
00:39:33,367 --> 00:39:35,530
Speaker 2: They gave it to her
right away, I imagine she's just

804
00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:37,922
such an intrepid reporter in
middle school.

805
00:39:37,943 --> 00:39:41,135
Speaker 3: I know she just got
so many recommendations.

806
00:39:41,405 --> 00:39:42,414
Speaker 2: It was the accolades.

807
00:39:43,407 --> 00:39:44,585
Speaker 1: It was the accolades
that she received.

808
00:39:44,585 --> 00:39:46,590
All right, let's jump forward,
let's.

809
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,436
I think we got to address the,
the elephant in the room which

810
00:39:49,577 --> 00:39:53,356
is, you know, the villain of the
first season, the absolute arch

811
00:39:53,356 --> 00:39:55,003
nemesis which is lana lang.

812
00:39:55,003 --> 00:39:59,751
Anthony, do you believe that
lana lang is the nemesis of the

813
00:39:59,791 --> 00:40:00,052
show?

814
00:40:00,614 --> 00:40:04,420
Speaker 2: nah man dude, I I
loved lana like she.

815
00:40:04,541 --> 00:40:07,706
Speaker 3: She was my crush on
that show well, yeah, you know,

816
00:40:07,827 --> 00:40:11,574
and that's she, she could, she
could do no wrong, that's okay

817
00:40:11,614 --> 00:40:15,547
why I think, okay, that's what I
wanted.

818
00:40:15,547 --> 00:40:18,052
I just wanted clark to get the
girl man.

819
00:40:18,052 --> 00:40:22,048
I just she made me so angry I
felt for clark I, I feel for him

820
00:40:22,048 --> 00:40:22,048
.

821
00:40:22,048 --> 00:40:24,827
You know, when he's like I'm
leaving the door open, like

822
00:40:25,429 --> 00:40:27,978
while she's in a committed
relationship with somebody else,

823
00:40:27,978 --> 00:40:32,648
like he refuses to date anybody
, and then but I think that that

824
00:40:32,648 --> 00:40:34,492
makes clark better.

825
00:40:35,052 --> 00:40:40,688
Speaker 1: I think that the back
and forth with lana made clark

826
00:40:40,847 --> 00:40:45,878
a better character, because
ultimately it wasn't a feel-good

827
00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:46,838
story throughout.

828
00:40:46,838 --> 00:40:48,168
He didn't get the girl.

829
00:40:48,168 --> 00:40:52,541
This season we spent a whole
season of this character pining

830
00:40:52,601 --> 00:40:56,914
for this other character and he
did not get the girl.

831
00:40:56,914 --> 00:41:02,036
And I think that that is part
of the charm of the show in the

832
00:41:02,096 --> 00:41:06,289
sense that, like it's realistic,
you're experiencing life as a

833
00:41:06,409 --> 00:41:08,536
teenager through the eyes of
these characters.

834
00:41:08,536 --> 00:41:12,025
You know I I say realistic very
fluidly.

835
00:41:12,025 --> 00:41:13,068
In this instance.

836
00:41:13,068 --> 00:41:15,876
I don't actually mean it's a
realistic show, but the, the

837
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:19,251
feeling that you get, you know,
like not being able to achieve

838
00:41:19,351 --> 00:41:22,047
what you want to achieve, or
being held back by your parents

839
00:41:22,068 --> 00:41:25,766
because of x, y and and Z, or
not being able to accomplish

840
00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:29,536
this because something comes up
in your life, is something very,

841
00:41:29,536 --> 00:41:33,813
very teenager, and I think that
that is what is actually being

842
00:41:34,675 --> 00:41:35,318
showcased.

843
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,489
I think you know, specifically
Lana and Clark, the fact that

844
00:41:39,931 --> 00:41:43,641
he's willing to show humility,
even though he has every ability

845
00:41:43,641 --> 00:41:46,648
to potentially take the girl of
his dreams as his own.

846
00:41:46,648 --> 00:41:49,295
He could, you know, stop being
superman.

847
00:41:49,295 --> 00:41:51,869
He could stop being the one who
saves everyone.

848
00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:54,014
He could be the one who shows
up at every party.

849
00:41:54,014 --> 00:41:57,949
He could be the one who shows
up to to every everything that

850
00:41:57,989 --> 00:42:02,215
lana or chloe or pete ever does,
but he chooses not to, and I

851
00:42:02,275 --> 00:42:05,780
think that is what is the
ultimate sacrifice of Superman

852
00:42:06,465 --> 00:42:11,170
is that he cannot be what he
wants to be while also being the

853
00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:15,601
person that he needs to be, and
I think that is why I don't

854
00:42:15,661 --> 00:42:19,244
think Lana is necessarily the
bad person in this show, because

855
00:42:19,244 --> 00:42:23,155
I think Lana wants to believe
that Clark can be a successor to

856
00:42:23,155 --> 00:42:25,672
Whitney, but he never proves
her right.

857
00:42:25,672 --> 00:42:28,590
Ultimately, personally, that's
the way I see it.

858
00:42:28,992 --> 00:42:33,485
Speaker 2: Right, right, like
she wants to trust him, but he's

859
00:42:33,485 --> 00:42:37,869
shown that there is some stuff
that he's withholding from her

860
00:42:38,525 --> 00:42:39,487
and she's not.

861
00:42:39,487 --> 00:42:43,599
You know, and you know, I think
that for a lot of people that

862
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:47,175
would kind of be that would put
you off of that.

863
00:42:47,175 --> 00:42:50,909
You know, you might still care
about them but you might be like

864
00:42:50,909 --> 00:42:53,817
, you know, I don't know how
close I want to get to this

865
00:42:53,876 --> 00:42:56,891
person if they don't really want
to share.

866
00:42:56,891 --> 00:43:00,175
And you see that like and I
know this is like you know later

867
00:43:00,175 --> 00:43:03,900
on, but like, the further you
get into the show, like, like,

868
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,512
you know, she shows her
open-mindedness to whatever it

869
00:43:08,612 --> 00:43:12,646
is that clark, you know, is
hiding and you know it's still

870
00:43:12,786 --> 00:43:14,490
apparent in this first season
too.

871
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:17,036
But you know, yeah, she has
whitney in her life.

872
00:43:17,096 --> 00:43:21,244
So she's kind of torn, I feel
like, because you know,

873
00:43:21,329 --> 00:43:23,213
obviously whitney is a senior.

874
00:43:23,213 --> 00:43:28,333
She's probably torn because you
know she has, I guess, these

875
00:43:28,393 --> 00:43:30,262
feelings for Clark that start to
develop.

876
00:43:30,262 --> 00:43:35,438
But then she is in a committed
relationship, which she probably

877
00:43:35,438 --> 00:43:39,409
sees that you know that he's
going to go off to, you know, at

878
00:43:39,409 --> 00:43:41,996
one point you know he was going
to go to college to play

879
00:43:42,057 --> 00:43:42,458
football.

880
00:43:42,458 --> 00:43:44,012
Then he decides to become a
Marine.

881
00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:45,438
So you know, at some point
Whitney was going to leave to

882
00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:45,960
college to play football.

883
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,744
Then he decides to become a
Marine.

884
00:43:46,744 --> 00:43:47,750
So at some point Whitney was
going to leave, right?

885
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:51,518
So that thought process was
probably going on in the mind of

886
00:43:51,518 --> 00:43:52,282
this character too.

887
00:43:52,282 --> 00:43:57,161
To me I believe so, because of
how torn she is.

888
00:43:58,271 --> 00:44:01,617
Speaker 1: And even getting into
the very first couple episodes

889
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,764
of season two without spoiling
anything.

890
00:44:04,764 --> 00:44:09,313
First couple episodes of season
two without spoiling anything.

891
00:44:09,313 --> 00:44:10,755
You know, lana does see and
mention that clark has way too

892
00:44:10,775 --> 00:44:13,742
many you know secrets that he's
withholding.

893
00:44:13,742 --> 00:44:17,413
You know it's it's very obvious
secrets that he's withholding

894
00:44:17,492 --> 00:44:22,599
from them to make a realistic
relationship work.

895
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:29,673
And yeah, so I think that
that's part of why Whitney just

896
00:44:29,693 --> 00:44:32,782
seems to be the better choice
for her, I guess.

897
00:44:32,782 --> 00:44:36,713
But again, even there's an
episode I feel like we could

898
00:44:36,733 --> 00:44:36,893
talk.

899
00:44:36,893 --> 00:44:40,157
Like Rich said, there's so many
things that we could talk about

900
00:44:40,157 --> 00:44:41,019
, episode after episode.

901
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:44,115
But there's the episode
Nicodemus, where Lana becomes

902
00:44:44,518 --> 00:44:50,322
uninhibited by this plant that
was resurrected after 100 or so

903
00:44:50,342 --> 00:44:50,523
years.

904
00:44:50,523 --> 00:44:52,929
Uh, it's the most ridiculous
episode.

905
00:44:52,929 --> 00:44:55,074
But you know what, let's roll
with it.

906
00:44:55,074 --> 00:44:57,239
She gets uninhibited.

907
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,777
She tells whitney I'm only with
you because I feel guilty that

908
00:45:03,358 --> 00:45:05,923
by leaving you it would do you
more harm than good.

909
00:45:05,923 --> 00:45:10,500
It proves to the audience that
she's only with Whitney for a

910
00:45:10,539 --> 00:45:12,715
majority of the season because
she feels guilty.

911
00:45:12,715 --> 00:45:15,693
And for a good majority of the
season Whitney's father has been

912
00:45:15,693 --> 00:45:18,300
in the hospital on and off
because of heart problems.

913
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:24,992
So there's something emotional
holding Lana back from fully

914
00:45:25,032 --> 00:45:29,422
giving in to her feelings for
Clark or for divorcing her

915
00:45:29,461 --> 00:45:30,224
feelings from Whitney.

916
00:45:30,224 --> 00:45:31,856
So there's a lot going on.

917
00:45:31,856 --> 00:45:35,621
I don't think that Lana is the
nemesis of the show.

918
00:45:35,621 --> 00:45:38,032
I don't think she's the
archnemesis and she wasn't

919
00:45:38,072 --> 00:45:38,655
written that way.

920
00:45:38,655 --> 00:45:40,239
Let's be frank.

921
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,719
She was not written to be the
archnemesis of the show.

922
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:48,494
Frank, she was not written to
be the arch nemesis of the show.

923
00:45:48,514 --> 00:45:49,637
Speaker 3: But I can see and
understand rich's reticence to

924
00:45:49,717 --> 00:45:54,206
hate or to to like her based on
the moral quality of her choices

925
00:45:54,206 --> 00:45:57,454
I don't know rich and I went to
an old boys school so you know

926
00:45:57,474 --> 00:46:00,161
I didn't have a lot of drama
during the day, just kind of

927
00:46:00,429 --> 00:46:03,838
went to class, didn't really
have cell phones right, so it's

928
00:46:03,998 --> 00:46:07,755
just like you went to school and
there wasn't any relationship

929
00:46:07,795 --> 00:46:08,637
drama during the day.

930
00:46:08,717 --> 00:46:11,373
I don't know that's fair maybe
that's, maybe, maybe it's my own

931
00:46:11,373 --> 00:46:13,137
like I'm like what's going on
at this school?

932
00:46:13,137 --> 00:46:16,635
Like jeez, just go to class so
eventful.

933
00:46:16,635 --> 00:46:18,039
I don't know.

934
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,047
Speaker 1: My days weren't as
eventful at an old boys catholic

935
00:46:21,047 --> 00:46:24,873
high school back in the late
90s, so you know, one thing,

936
00:46:24,894 --> 00:46:29,960
thing I feel like I should bring
up, but maybe shouldn't at the

937
00:46:30,001 --> 00:46:32,985
same time because it doesn't
really pertain to the show

938
00:46:33,025 --> 00:46:33,346
itself.

939
00:46:33,346 --> 00:46:37,454
But you know, going back to
this show, after one of the main

940
00:46:37,454 --> 00:46:43,882
actors was imprisoned for a
number of years, it's a strange

941
00:46:44,842 --> 00:46:48,266
thing because my wife walked-
into the room and went hey, look

942
00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:49,655
, it's the sex trafficker.

943
00:46:50,056 --> 00:46:52,204
Speaker 3: Do you think she was
sex trafficking back then?

944
00:46:52,686 --> 00:46:55,914
Speaker 1: and that was no,
obviously, as a 19 year old, I

945
00:46:55,954 --> 00:46:59,641
don't think she was in that
position until I think it was

946
00:46:59,722 --> 00:47:00,603
after the the show.

947
00:47:00,603 --> 00:47:03,155
I'm hoping it was after the
show that she got involved with.

948
00:47:03,315 --> 00:47:05,878
I think it was nexium or
something and x yeah, it was

949
00:47:05,918 --> 00:47:11,710
some sort of cult it was some
weird, weird cult and it really

950
00:47:13,092 --> 00:47:16,742
mars the character, even though
it's a, I think.

951
00:47:16,742 --> 00:47:18,668
I think chloe's a fantastic
character.

952
00:47:18,668 --> 00:47:21,016
Chloe sullivan was such a good
character that they started

953
00:47:21,036 --> 00:47:22,380
putting her in dc comics like
she was a character that they

954
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,005
made up for the show, that they
later putting her in dc comics,

955
00:47:24,045 --> 00:47:26,713
like she was a character that
they made up for the show, that

956
00:47:26,753 --> 00:47:29,119
they later retroactively added
her to comics.

957
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,115
But I think, since the whole
situation, they've just like

958
00:47:32,438 --> 00:47:33,320
deleted the character.

959
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,891
You know, like it's just, it's
just not a character anymore and

960
00:47:35,891 --> 00:47:38,637
oh, I hit the mic it's not a
character anymore in dc comics.

961
00:47:38,637 --> 00:47:39,641
I don't think it's.

962
00:47:39,902 --> 00:47:43,297
It's a real shame because
there's there's a lot of moments

963
00:47:43,297 --> 00:47:47,213
in this, like where I'm like
man, she's a really good actress

964
00:47:47,213 --> 00:47:47,213
.

965
00:47:47,213 --> 00:47:51,646
You know, like the ability to
go from like smiling, faking it

966
00:47:51,726 --> 00:47:55,074
to all of your peers to like
turning around and like just

967
00:47:55,215 --> 00:47:55,775
crying.

968
00:47:55,775 --> 00:47:59,750
That takes a lot of acting
chops that I don't think a lot

969
00:47:59,769 --> 00:48:01,454
of these characters, these
actors, have.

970
00:48:01,454 --> 00:48:05,954
Personally, I don't think lana
could I don't at this point, I

971
00:48:05,974 --> 00:48:07,693
don't think had the chops for it
.

972
00:48:07,693 --> 00:48:09,536
Yeah, it's, it's really.

973
00:48:09,536 --> 00:48:13,429
I found her performance really
impressive and it's sad to see

974
00:48:13,469 --> 00:48:13,670
that.

975
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:16,637
Speaker 2: You know, it ended
the way it ended you know what

976
00:48:16,677 --> 00:48:22,373
character, just like you know
and and rich brought him up, but

977
00:48:22,373 --> 00:48:27,880
you know michael rosen as Lex
Luthor, something that I really

978
00:48:28,041 --> 00:48:32,494
love that this show brought
about, because I'm not too sure

979
00:48:32,554 --> 00:48:38,016
if it was prior to the show but
like Clark and Lex having this

980
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,012
friendship that develops and,
honestly, to tell you the truth

981
00:48:42,072 --> 00:48:44,898
and I know that this happens
later on but I think one of the

982
00:48:45,018 --> 00:48:49,186
most heartbreaking things to
happen in this show is see the

983
00:48:49,246 --> 00:48:51,070
disintegration of that
friendship.

984
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:54,577
It is one of the hardest things
to watch on screen because,

985
00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:58,034
like you're like, oh man, you
guys were such good friends, but

986
00:48:58,034 --> 00:48:59,840
then I but you know where it's
headed.

987
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,690
Like you know, you know, like
that it cannot be so, but you

988
00:49:03,771 --> 00:49:07,614
want it to be so and it's such a
good, like the push and pull

989
00:49:08,155 --> 00:49:11,396
and just like seeing it, like
you know the birth of it in this

990
00:49:11,396 --> 00:49:12,277
first season.

991
00:49:13,018 --> 00:49:15,059
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's
something to be said about

992
00:49:15,521 --> 00:49:19,204
friends turned enemies,
especially like as as good of

993
00:49:19,264 --> 00:49:23,367
friends as we see Clark and Lex
turn out to be in this first

994
00:49:23,407 --> 00:49:27,574
season you mentioned you don't
know if it started with

995
00:49:27,594 --> 00:49:29,278
Smallville, like if this was the
first instance of that.

996
00:49:29,278 --> 00:49:30,422
It wasn't.

997
00:49:30,422 --> 00:49:32,592
This is something that's been
happening for.

998
00:49:32,592 --> 00:49:36,804
I think it was first shown in
the 60s in like a Superboy comic

999
00:49:36,804 --> 00:49:40,853
, their early friendship and how
that weaved into them becoming

1000
00:49:40,954 --> 00:49:41,514
arch nemeses.

1001
00:49:41,514 --> 00:49:43,757
But I do agree.

1002
00:49:43,757 --> 00:49:49,572
I think that it's a very tragic
, almost Shakespearean dilemma

1003
00:49:49,813 --> 00:49:50,673
that they share.

1004
00:49:50,673 --> 00:49:55,222
They're fated to be against
each other and you could see

1005
00:49:55,422 --> 00:49:58,135
even from their first couple of
interactions and throughout the

1006
00:49:58,155 --> 00:50:01,291
whole season there's a barrier
between the two that they can

1007
00:50:01,351 --> 00:50:01,914
never break.

1008
00:50:01,934 --> 00:50:04,460
There's a lie that Clark is
telling Lex, right yeah there's

1009
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:08,074
a lie that clark is telling lex
and there's a lie that lex is

1010
00:50:08,094 --> 00:50:08,735
telling clark.

1011
00:50:08,735 --> 00:50:12,530
They love each other as close
as two people can be with that

1012
00:50:12,610 --> 00:50:13,472
wall intact.

1013
00:50:13,472 --> 00:50:18,101
But that wall is intact
throughout the entire, the

1014
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,972
entirety of the show, and they
both realize that they cannot

1015
00:50:21,012 --> 00:50:21,632
break that wall.

1016
00:50:21,632 --> 00:50:25,898
And for clark it's the I can't
tell you know, this rich guy,

1017
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,923
that I have superpowers or that
I'm from another world, because

1018
00:50:29,565 --> 00:50:32,900
that will open the door to
people finding out my secret and

1019
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:35,110
potentially ruining my family
and all that blah, blah, blah.

1020
00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:41,141
For Lex it's he cannot tell
Clark that he's been researching

1021
00:50:41,141 --> 00:50:43,893
all of this stuff, he's been
researching the effects of the

1022
00:50:43,913 --> 00:50:48,402
kryptonite and all that, because
it proves that he's been

1023
00:50:48,461 --> 00:50:49,083
researching Clark.

1024
00:50:49,083 --> 00:50:51,190
And so it's a back and forth
between these two characters.

1025
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:54,818
They clearly care for each
other, but there's certain

1026
00:50:54,858 --> 00:50:59,114
things that they cannot move
past, and it's a really, really

1027
00:50:59,155 --> 00:50:59,757
good dynamic.

1028
00:50:59,757 --> 00:51:02,438
I think that they nailed it
with this show.

1029
00:51:02,811 --> 00:51:04,112
Speaker 2: I think that they
nailed it with this show.

1030
00:51:04,112 --> 00:51:04,393
I like that.

1031
00:51:04,393 --> 00:51:06,697
You said that it's
Shakespearean, because whenever

1032
00:51:06,757 --> 00:51:10,664
you get to Lex and Lionel, their
interactions are so

1033
00:51:10,784 --> 00:51:11,465
Shakespearean.

1034
00:51:11,909 --> 00:51:13,273
Speaker 3: The way they talk to
each other.

1035
00:51:13,293 --> 00:51:15,396
Speaker 2: It's like something
that you would read from

1036
00:51:15,416 --> 00:51:15,657
Shakespeare.

1037
00:51:15,657 --> 00:51:16,338
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1038
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:21,436
Speaker 3: My goodness, maybe I
should pair this with Macbeth

1039
00:51:21,496 --> 00:51:21,938
next year.

1040
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:22,701
Speaker 2: Oh boy.

1041
00:51:23,309 --> 00:51:24,123
Speaker 3: Forget Revenge of the
Sith, I'm going to go full

1042
00:51:24,052 --> 00:51:24,152
Small.

1043
00:51:24,152 --> 00:51:24,527
Forget start.

1044
00:51:24,456 --> 00:51:25,601
Speaker 1: Forget revenge of the
sith, I'm gonna go full

1045
00:51:25,621 --> 00:51:29,724
smallville revenge of the luther
I guess I guess, with you know,

1046
00:51:29,724 --> 00:51:34,476
bringing smallville into your
revenge of the sith mcbeth

1047
00:51:34,836 --> 00:51:38,766
parallels, you'd have to find an
episode that really

1048
00:51:38,847 --> 00:51:41,474
encapsulates that, because you
can't, really, you can't show

1049
00:51:41,494 --> 00:51:42,878
the whole show, you can't you
can't.

1050
00:51:43,259 --> 00:51:45,032
Speaker 3: It's a lot, and
that's that's the thing with

1051
00:51:45,052 --> 00:51:47,599
long-form storytelling like this
it has to be done I'll probably

1052
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,695
just show them the euthanasia,
episode, because, oh my goodness

1053
00:51:50,695 --> 00:51:54,530
, that one got quick I don't
remember which one, that one

1054
00:51:54,570 --> 00:52:00,021
that's the one where the mom is
feeling she's, she wants to die

1055
00:52:00,481 --> 00:52:05,097
and she asks her son to kill her
and and he goes from reaper,

1056
00:52:05,498 --> 00:52:09,157
the episode's called mom I don't
want to kill you to like within

1057
00:52:09,157 --> 00:52:09,358
the.

1058
00:52:09,358 --> 00:52:12,268
You know, because the freak of
the week especially has like

1059
00:52:12,289 --> 00:52:14,474
that first two and a half where
what is it?

1060
00:52:14,474 --> 00:52:17,262
Minute and a half, usually a
couple minutes before the,

1061
00:52:18,132 --> 00:52:19,494
before the intro.

1062
00:52:19,635 --> 00:52:23,282
You know, intro starts, yeah,
and then, and it's like he walks

1063
00:52:23,282 --> 00:52:24,889
in and he's like, hi, mom, you
know she's coming a lot of pain,

1064
00:52:24,889 --> 00:52:24,963
and he's like kill me.

1065
00:52:24,963 --> 00:52:25,105
She's like no.

1066
00:52:25,105 --> 00:52:25,358
And then, and it's like he
walks in and he's like, hi, mom,

1067
00:52:25,358 --> 00:52:26,963
you know she's coming a lot of
pain, and he's like kill me.

1068
00:52:26,963 --> 00:52:28,905
She's like no, and then she's
like kill me.

1069
00:52:28,905 --> 00:52:32,413
And he's like fine, like like
within it's, it's like it just

1070
00:52:32,454 --> 00:52:37,083
takes him 25 seconds to decide
to kill his mom and then the

1071
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:38,333
best part is that she lives.

1072
00:52:39,157 --> 00:52:41,704
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I
think that's ultimately like how

1073
00:52:41,704 --> 00:52:43,068
that is resolved.

1074
00:52:43,128 --> 00:52:47,251
He finds out like oh, she didn't
need to die anyway, I think

1075
00:52:47,291 --> 00:52:50,577
we've come to the point of the
you know the podcast where we

1076
00:52:50,617 --> 00:52:54,623
have to discuss the freak of the
week and how it happened,

1077
00:52:55,550 --> 00:52:58,875
because I'm racking my brain, as
you know, as someone who

1078
00:52:58,934 --> 00:53:01,980
creates YouTube videos and like
lore breakdowns and is trying to

1079
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:05,324
like make sense of this and
that and whatever, and lore

1080
00:53:05,385 --> 00:53:07,909
breakdowns and is trying to make
sense of this and that and

1081
00:53:07,929 --> 00:53:13,233
whatever, I have to ask what is
it about these stones that are

1082
00:53:13,253 --> 00:53:17,405
from another planet, that are
conveniently amping up certain

1083
00:53:17,666 --> 00:53:20,652
aspects or certain powers or
certain skill sets of

1084
00:53:20,711 --> 00:53:26,521
individuals based on their mood
and or life experience, because

1085
00:53:26,722 --> 00:53:31,336
it's completely reliant on what
is emotionally happening,

1086
00:53:31,637 --> 00:53:35,548
happening at the moment, or what
is necessary for them to

1087
00:53:35,608 --> 00:53:36,050
survive.

1088
00:53:36,351 --> 00:53:39,737
Speaker 2: So it's almost like a
spiritual imparting from the

1089
00:53:39,797 --> 00:53:43,592
stone to keep these individuals
alive a little bit longer, and

1090
00:53:43,652 --> 00:53:49,076
it's it's the most bizarre thing
ever I would say that, like

1091
00:53:49,135 --> 00:53:53,222
there's a physical element that
like for for the most part, I

1092
00:53:53,242 --> 00:53:57,797
would say from pretty much
almost all of them, there's a,

1093
00:53:58,798 --> 00:54:02,851
there's a physical element that
makes sense, like you had the

1094
00:54:03,132 --> 00:54:07,730
the bug boy, where he had bugs
that were in you know, terrarium

1095
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:10,876
and soil that had meteor rocks
and and obviously meteor rocks

1096
00:54:10,916 --> 00:54:12,460
are, they're irradiated.

1097
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:17,759
You know they emit some sort of
radiation that you know causes

1098
00:54:17,798 --> 00:54:18,039
something.

1099
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:21,233
It's very much so apparent that
it's it's irradiated, because

1100
00:54:21,534 --> 00:54:24,960
when clark gets near like he
could, he can even like touch it

1101
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,905
without it, without like you
see his veins just kind of like

1102
00:54:29,945 --> 00:54:31,050
this like poison.

1103
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:32,920
It's like radiation poisoning.

1104
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,489
That's that's happening.

1105
00:54:34,489 --> 00:54:37,664
So there, I think that they're
pretty good.

1106
00:54:37,664 --> 00:54:41,146
Um, you know the girl that
becomes like a fat sucking

1107
00:54:41,226 --> 00:54:46,394
vampire you know she she.

1108
00:54:46,876 --> 00:54:48,960
Um, I'm just so crazy.

1109
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,831
She, she, uh, you know she's
drinking the.

1110
00:54:51,831 --> 00:54:57,862
You know the, the healthy foods
that were grown in meteor, rock

1111
00:54:57,862 --> 00:55:02,655
soil, kryptonite soil but
there's a physical act right,

1112
00:55:02,675 --> 00:55:09,311
but even even that like requires
a mental desire, and she's

1113
00:55:09,371 --> 00:55:10,697
desiring to be thin.

1114
00:55:10,697 --> 00:55:11,940
Right right.

1115
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:15,900
Speaker 1: That amplifies
thinness, for some reason.

1116
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,612
And that's what I'm trying to
say, like there's almost a

1117
00:55:18,692 --> 00:55:23,641
consciousness to what it's
almost like a genie granting you

1118
00:55:23,641 --> 00:55:28,172
a wish, what it's almost like a
genie granting you a wish, but

1119
00:55:28,193 --> 00:55:28,452
it's, it's the.

1120
00:55:28,452 --> 00:55:29,695
The wish that the genie is
granting you is always like well

1121
00:55:29,695 --> 00:55:31,920
, be careful, what you wish for,
and that's that's.

1122
00:55:32,181 --> 00:55:35,318
Speaker 2: that's what it seems
to be for most of the cases of

1123
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,289
these people well, I don't know,
you have the guy that fell into

1124
00:55:38,289 --> 00:55:42,597
the lake that you know he
didn't, you know he didn't have

1125
00:55:42,637 --> 00:55:43,960
a desire to be colder.

1126
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,864
He came out of the lake.

1127
00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:50,259
Speaker 1: He desired to be
warmer, and he's now able to

1128
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:55,599
suck Well I mean he was in the
cold water, that was radiated by

1129
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:56,442
the meteor rock.

1130
00:56:01,398 --> 00:56:03,923
Speaker 2: So obviously that
altered his body chemistry.

1131
00:56:03,923 --> 00:56:07,452
I mean how he was able to, like
you know, suck the warmth.

1132
00:56:07,452 --> 00:56:12,081
I mean, you know, I I don't, I
don't know how that was, but I

1133
00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:12,601
feel like.

1134
00:56:12,601 --> 00:56:17,257
I feel like the physical
element is the primary and any

1135
00:56:17,317 --> 00:56:21,070
emotional is like secondary, and
it just kind of like I guess

1136
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:27,804
they use the emotional aspect of
it to make sense motive-wise.

1137
00:56:27,804 --> 00:56:34,123
You have the coach that I mean
he was a hothead, he was angry,

1138
00:56:36,054 --> 00:56:40,402
but then he was also in a sauna
with meteor rocks.

1139
00:56:40,954 --> 00:56:44,878
That's a hot environment, so I
would say each environment, I

1140
00:56:44,918 --> 00:56:45,599
would say the.

1141
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,032
The catalyst was the
environment that they were in,

1142
00:56:48,693 --> 00:56:52,762
but then the emotion just was
like the motive or whatever it

1143
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:56,181
was that allowed them to do what
they did.

1144
00:56:56,382 --> 00:56:57,465
Speaker 1: You know hold on,
hold on.

1145
00:56:57,465 --> 00:56:58,809
We're breaking ground here.

1146
00:56:58,809 --> 00:57:01,918
Actually, anthony, you actually
have struck on a chord that I

1147
00:57:02,099 --> 00:57:05,590
really like, because I was
struggling with this mentally

1148
00:57:05,769 --> 00:57:10,699
for a long time, determining is
this just the kryptonite keeping

1149
00:57:10,699 --> 00:57:11,862
people alive?

1150
00:57:11,862 --> 00:57:15,436
Is this just giving this
kryptonite, giving people what

1151
00:57:15,476 --> 00:57:16,079
they want?

1152
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:21,612
And I, you, you actually make
the connection that it's a bit

1153
00:57:21,652 --> 00:57:26,302
of both, you know it's it's not
only what they want, what they

1154
00:57:26,322 --> 00:57:29,494
desire or what they need, but
it's where they are physically

1155
00:57:30,215 --> 00:57:35,210
in that moment plus the emotions
of what they need, and I think

1156
00:57:35,230 --> 00:57:38,077
that that's that's fascinating,
because I don't think there's

1157
00:57:38,157 --> 00:57:42,614
anything quite like the freak of
the week transformations and

1158
00:57:42,755 --> 00:57:46,789
any other like major sci-fi or
anything kryptonite as, as per

1159
00:57:46,829 --> 00:57:51,500
smallville standards, is kind of
like the radioactive chemicals

1160
00:57:51,621 --> 00:57:55,474
that you would see in like any
other comic book, but they give

1161
00:57:55,514 --> 00:57:59,784
them meaning with these
individuals who experience and

1162
00:57:59,824 --> 00:58:03,557
are amplified by them in
different unique scenarios.

1163
00:58:03,557 --> 00:58:05,822
So that's fascinating.

1164
00:58:05,869 --> 00:58:08,172
That's a really good catch,
anthony, and I was actually

1165
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:10,117
planning on like going in on how
.

1166
00:58:10,117 --> 00:58:14,456
Like it doesn't make any sense
from either a physical or a

1167
00:58:14,536 --> 00:58:18,275
spiritual or a mental or
emotional standpoint, but when

1168
00:58:18,315 --> 00:58:23,144
you mix multiple of those things
together it actually does form

1169
00:58:23,244 --> 00:58:24,090
a more cohesive bond.

1170
00:58:24,090 --> 00:58:29,192
But it's also like, how does
the kryptonite know to amplify

1171
00:58:29,251 --> 00:58:29,753
certain things?

1172
00:58:29,753 --> 00:58:31,336
You know, like what exact is it
?

1173
00:58:31,336 --> 00:58:35,773
Is it like a conscious, like
almost nanobyte sort of thing

1174
00:58:35,793 --> 00:58:38,599
where, like I want to do what
this person wants?

1175
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:44,355
Is it, you know, a a more like
soulful thing?

1176
00:58:44,355 --> 00:58:46,681
Where, like, it's like a
spiritual existence, where the

1177
00:58:46,942 --> 00:58:50,757
you know it wants to amplify the
soul of the person?

1178
00:58:50,757 --> 00:58:54,010
I don't know, there's so many
questions with the kryptonite

1179
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:57,041
and I'm I'm definitely looking
and trying to find too much

1180
00:58:57,382 --> 00:59:02,135
rationale in this early 2000s tv
show than I can actually

1181
00:59:02,235 --> 00:59:02,916
physically find.

1182
00:59:03,538 --> 00:59:06,731
But it is fascinating because
it's the crux of the show for a

1183
00:59:06,771 --> 00:59:10,824
good portion of time, and I just
have to mention lex is paying

1184
00:59:10,905 --> 00:59:12,489
people to study kryptonite.

1185
00:59:12,489 --> 00:59:14,655
He's just like we can't find
anything.

1186
00:59:14,655 --> 00:59:16,922
But, like you know, we know
that there's something in this

1187
00:59:17,251 --> 00:59:21,684
meteor rock doctor, whatever
your hawthorne or nathaniel,

1188
00:59:21,724 --> 00:59:24,293
whatever your name is, you know,
study all this in your, your

1189
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:27,697
shack and find me some results,
and then you know they come up

1190
00:59:27,717 --> 00:59:29,159
with the Nicodemus flower or
whatever.

1191
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:33,442
But, like, all he has to do is
go to Smallville High for a week

1192
00:59:33,442 --> 00:59:35,230
and, just you know, see what
happens.

1193
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:38,577
Because there's a crazy event
that happens every single week

1194
00:59:38,617 --> 00:59:41,996
in Smallville High and it always
has to do with Meteor Rocks.

1195
00:59:42,739 --> 00:59:45,489
Anthonyony, actually, the the
poster behind your head right

1196
00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:47,615
now, it's the welcome sign to
smallville.

1197
00:59:47,615 --> 00:59:50,304
We're in zoom right now and I'm
looking at the the smallville

1198
00:59:50,570 --> 00:59:56,322
kansas population of 45,001 and
I keep thinking to myself boy,

1199
00:59:56,342 --> 00:59:59,514
that number has to be a little
bit lower now, because there's

1200
00:59:59,554 --> 01:00:03,594
at least one or two people that
die in every single episode I

1201
01:00:03,614 --> 01:00:05,257
mean it's, there's no way.

1202
01:00:05,298 --> 01:00:07,652
Speaker 2: It's like how well
then you have people moving in

1203
01:00:07,711 --> 01:00:08,032
too.

1204
01:00:08,032 --> 01:00:08,875
How?

1205
01:00:08,914 --> 01:00:13,103
Speaker 3: is lex, not seeing it
in the papers, right like all

1206
01:00:13,123 --> 01:00:13,952
the stuff that's happening.

1207
01:00:14,273 --> 01:00:15,295
Speaker 1: He doesn't read the
inquisitor.

1208
01:00:15,335 --> 01:00:18,251
Speaker 3: He's a daily planet
kind of reader let me, uh, let

1209
01:00:18,271 --> 01:00:19,193
me ask you guys a question.

1210
01:00:19,193 --> 01:00:26,711
So desiree righte, his brief
marriage In season two, were you

1211
01:00:26,711 --> 01:00:31,682
thrown off by the fact that her
pheromones were pink?

1212
01:00:31,682 --> 01:00:33,255
I thought about that.

1213
01:00:33,255 --> 01:00:36,956
I don't know why, but I'm just
like okay.

1214
01:00:36,956 --> 01:00:42,583
So I normally don't see women
emit any kind of visible

1215
01:00:42,643 --> 01:00:43,184
pheromones.

1216
01:00:43,184 --> 01:00:47,621
So if it's meteor rock induced,
then it would be green.

1217
01:00:48,371 --> 01:00:50,976
Speaker 1: It's the I know it's
such a small thing, it's such a

1218
01:00:51,137 --> 01:00:56,275
unless there are other types of
meteor rock that she was infused

1219
01:00:56,275 --> 01:00:56,536
with.

1220
01:00:56,536 --> 01:01:01,228
That we don't see at this point
in the show or at all in

1221
01:01:01,248 --> 01:01:03,815
smallville, and we know that
there is other types of media

1222
01:01:03,855 --> 01:01:04,114
Rock.

1223
01:01:05,277 --> 01:01:06,900
Speaker 3: But she was
originally from Smallville.

1224
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:11,197
We do know that, like we could
figure, it's probably green.

1225
01:01:11,197 --> 01:01:11,739
I don't know.

1226
01:01:12,369 --> 01:01:15,039
Speaker 2: But yeah, before we
stray too far into.

1227
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:18,599
Season 2, we'll definitely get
back to that at some point.

1228
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:20,356
We're visiting Season 2.

1229
01:01:20,356 --> 01:01:22,615
We don't want to go to Season 2
.

1230
01:01:22,775 --> 01:01:24,713
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, guys,
Listen when I start binge

1231
01:01:24,753 --> 01:01:26,097
watching, you guys know what
happens.

1232
01:01:26,097 --> 01:01:26,519
I can't.

1233
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:27,675
No, you're good.

1234
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:28,771
Speaker 1: In Smallville.

1235
01:01:28,771 --> 01:01:33,802
We do see other forms of meteor
rock, other forms of kryptonite

1236
01:01:33,802 --> 01:01:37,980
outside of green and even some
that are outside of red as well.

1237
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:40,797
I think we get into black
kryptonite and stuff like that

1238
01:01:40,838 --> 01:01:42,041
later in other seasons.

1239
01:01:42,041 --> 01:01:46,693
In the comics there is also
pink Kryptonite, so in my head

1240
01:01:46,755 --> 01:01:48,641
that scene is Got you.

1241
01:01:48,641 --> 01:01:50,710
Love it, okay, thank you.

1242
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:57,579
She found her was trapped in
some amorous form of Kryptonite.

1243
01:01:57,579 --> 01:01:57,900
I like it.

1244
01:01:57,900 --> 01:01:58,681
And that's what happened.

1245
01:01:58,681 --> 01:01:59,663
I like it, okay.

1246
01:01:59,663 --> 01:02:00,222
I accept it.

1247
01:02:00,222 --> 01:02:01,425
Back to season one, sorry.

1248
01:02:01,485 --> 01:02:01,985
Speaker 2: No, you're good.

1249
01:02:01,985 --> 01:02:13,614
I do want to say something that
I really do, like that this

1250
01:02:13,634 --> 01:02:15,739
show does and and you know it
happens in the first season is

1251
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,204
that you know clark, he doesn't
have all of his powers.

1252
01:02:17,204 --> 01:02:20,632
You know we get a little bit of
a tease with the flight and in

1253
01:02:20,672 --> 01:02:23,458
this first season it happens
throughout the series too.

1254
01:02:23,458 --> 01:02:25,382
But you know we get that.

1255
01:02:25,382 --> 01:02:30,880
But in this first season he
discovered or he happens with, I

1256
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,465
guess, the growth of his body
X-ray vision.

1257
01:02:33,465 --> 01:02:37,791
You know this is where he gets
his X-ray vision and it happens

1258
01:02:37,871 --> 01:02:38,273
to.

1259
01:02:38,273 --> 01:02:42,940
It coincides with a freak of
the week, tina Greer, who can,

1260
01:02:43,121 --> 01:02:44,583
who can morph into anybody.

1261
01:02:44,583 --> 01:02:48,094
A freak of the week, tina greer
, who can, who can morph into

1262
01:02:48,114 --> 01:02:48,315
anybody.

1263
01:02:48,315 --> 01:02:48,996
I, I thought that was like.

1264
01:02:48,996 --> 01:02:50,380
I liked the introduction of her
where, like lex just goes into

1265
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,036
a bank and robs it, but it's
like, not lex so ridiculous and

1266
01:02:55,077 --> 01:02:58,927
like that would be proof that
would you know, cripple any

1267
01:02:58,987 --> 01:02:59,809
politician today.

1268
01:03:00,010 --> 01:03:01,353
Speaker 1: Like there's no
getting around that.

1269
01:03:01,353 --> 01:03:02,014
Like there's there's no.

1270
01:03:02,014 --> 01:03:03,577
Like what do you mean?

1271
01:03:03,577 --> 01:03:06,913
Someone else did that that was
you, you're on camera, but no,

1272
01:03:07,014 --> 01:03:07,777
lex gets away with it.

1273
01:03:09,471 --> 01:03:12,817
Speaker 2: I like how the bank
manager like obviously like knew

1274
01:03:12,817 --> 01:03:16,184
that that was Lex, but still
like wanted his signature.

1275
01:03:16,184 --> 01:03:19,284
Like he's like oh, hey, mr
Luther, but like wanted his

1276
01:03:19,324 --> 01:03:22,880
signature, like physically you
could see that that was Lex

1277
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:29,594
Luthor like physically, you
could see that that was lex

1278
01:03:29,614 --> 01:03:29,773
luther.

1279
01:03:29,793 --> 01:03:30,315
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, really
the x-ray.

1280
01:03:30,315 --> 01:03:31,701
The only part of the x-ray that
bothered me was when he does.

1281
01:03:31,701 --> 01:03:34,530
He eventually does a magic
trick for lana and he just like

1282
01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:37,061
has her pick a card and then
doesn't take any other steps

1283
01:03:37,202 --> 01:03:38,567
other than just x-raying.

1284
01:03:38,567 --> 01:03:42,675
Right, and I didn't know that
x-rays could work this way.

1285
01:03:42,675 --> 01:03:49,264
But he can x-ray through the
card but see what's printed on

1286
01:03:49,284 --> 01:03:50,106
the other side.

1287
01:03:50,106 --> 01:03:51,152
I don't know how.

1288
01:03:51,152 --> 01:03:53,621
It's very, it's very specific.

1289
01:03:53,891 --> 01:03:54,715
Speaker 1: That's more like an.

1290
01:03:54,735 --> 01:03:55,097
Speaker 3: MRI.

1291
01:03:55,097 --> 01:03:57,969
I feel like than it is an x-ray
, but sorry.

1292
01:03:58,070 --> 01:04:00,273
Speaker 2: I like that they show
that it's different levels of

1293
01:04:00,313 --> 01:04:04,141
like x-ray, where he could
actually like see through, yeah,

1294
01:04:04,141 --> 01:04:07,916
solid objects, but then he can
actually see as if it's like an

1295
01:04:08,096 --> 01:04:10,182
x-ray like through to the bones.

1296
01:04:10,182 --> 01:04:13,552
He can like x-ray to like the
muscle tissue and stuff.

1297
01:04:13,552 --> 01:04:16,137
It's it's so insane, like the
nerves.

1298
01:04:16,137 --> 01:04:16,699
I.

1299
01:04:16,798 --> 01:04:19,972
Speaker 1: I really love that
they like kind of explored his

1300
01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:26,262
you know his abilities like to
like a smaller, like detail yeah

1301
01:04:26,262 --> 01:04:29,057
, there's that scene where he
looks at pete and he sees

1302
01:04:29,137 --> 01:04:31,969
through him, but he only sees
like the cardiovascular system,

1303
01:04:32,351 --> 01:04:33,894
the nerves and like the muscles.

1304
01:04:33,894 --> 01:04:37,070
He doesn't see any of the bones
, and I think that that's such a

1305
01:04:37,070 --> 01:04:38,152
fascinating like.

1306
01:04:38,273 --> 01:04:41,981
Yeah yeah, I agree level and
there's layers to his x-ray

1307
01:04:42,021 --> 01:04:42,302
vision.

1308
01:04:42,302 --> 01:04:43,998
It's not strictly, you know,
like just an x-ray.

1309
01:04:43,998 --> 01:04:44,822
You know they call it x-ray
vision.

1310
01:04:44,822 --> 01:04:45,909
It's not strictly, you know,
like just an X-ray.

1311
01:04:45,909 --> 01:04:49,257
You know they call it X-ray
because that's what we have in

1312
01:04:49,336 --> 01:04:50,719
our nomenclature.

1313
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,355
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I mean essentially that's

1314
01:04:53,355 --> 01:04:54,090
what it is Like.

1315
01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:58,097
I mean he's able to like see
through things and I really love

1316
01:04:58,097 --> 01:04:58,317
that.

1317
01:04:58,317 --> 01:05:02,384
Whenever he comes across a new
power and you see it here, his

1318
01:05:02,463 --> 01:05:06,429
parents, jonathan kent, they're
like you know, let's figure this

1319
01:05:06,429 --> 01:05:06,690
out.

1320
01:05:06,690 --> 01:05:09,617
Like you know, let's work on it
, and like he has so much like

1321
01:05:09,657 --> 01:05:12,972
support on on, like how to
figure out and use these

1322
01:05:13,032 --> 01:05:16,981
abilities, he has such a really
good support system let's talk

1323
01:05:17,001 --> 01:05:17,530
about the kents.

1324
01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:20,998
Speaker 1: They're the best,
it's probably the best depiction

1325
01:05:20,998 --> 01:05:24,974
of the kents bar none you know,
like if we're, if we're being

1326
01:05:25,056 --> 01:05:28,996
honest about like all of the
superhero media or superman

1327
01:05:29,056 --> 01:05:32,844
media that we've ever had, I
think the kents in this are just

1328
01:05:32,844 --> 01:05:34,172
bar none.

1329
01:05:34,172 --> 01:05:38,721
Perfect in terms of just like
being there for clark, being the

1330
01:05:38,721 --> 01:05:42,635
people that they need to be in
the show, just pleasant to look

1331
01:05:42,835 --> 01:05:45,099
at, pleasant seeming people.

1332
01:05:45,099 --> 01:05:49,637
And I'm so happy re-watching
the show, being a little older

1333
01:05:49,697 --> 01:05:52,347
too while re-watching it,
because I get to appreciate

1334
01:05:52,487 --> 01:05:53,994
their performances a little bit
more.

1335
01:05:53,994 --> 01:05:57,307
I think, as a kid watching this
show, you just see them as

1336
01:05:57,367 --> 01:05:59,572
older people who want the best
for the character.

1337
01:05:59,572 --> 01:06:03,797
But as an adult, looking at
these characters, you see that

1338
01:06:03,838 --> 01:06:07,762
they're doing everything in
their power to keep their kids

1339
01:06:07,902 --> 01:06:09,625
safe, especially While also.

1340
01:06:09,965 --> 01:06:10,326
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead.

1341
01:06:10,326 --> 01:06:15,813
Especially Martha, right, she's
trying to help Clark because

1342
01:06:15,934 --> 01:06:18,742
she did the same thing to Clark
when she was a kid.

1343
01:06:18,742 --> 01:06:23,838
Because the actress who plays
Clark's mom actually played Lana

1344
01:06:23,838 --> 01:06:26,282
Lang lang in the uh superman.

1345
01:06:26,282 --> 01:06:29,353
I was like, I think, in
superman yeah, she played and

1346
01:06:29,393 --> 01:06:33,222
I'm like, just that to me was
like I just love the casting and

1347
01:06:33,222 --> 01:06:35,956
also I gotta give a shout out
to dukes of hazard over there.

1348
01:06:36,476 --> 01:06:42,413
Paw kent, he uh, just uh yes,
yeah I, I like as an older human

1349
01:06:42,413 --> 01:06:46,340
and I do like it's so great to
cast somebody who was in the

1350
01:06:46,380 --> 01:06:47,764
Superman movie Like what.

1351
01:06:47,764 --> 01:06:50,418
I wonder how much money they
had to be.

1352
01:06:50,418 --> 01:06:53,630
Like listen, lady, we really
need you to be in this, like

1353
01:06:54,914 --> 01:06:57,293
maybe a lot, maybe not, maybe
not all that much.

1354
01:06:57,474 --> 01:07:01,512
Speaker 1: I mean, she wasn't an
actress, but was she still

1355
01:07:01,632 --> 01:07:02,472
acting at that point?

1356
01:07:02,472 --> 01:07:03,492
I don't know Like which?

1357
01:07:03,492 --> 01:07:05,375
Was she really busy?

1358
01:07:05,375 --> 01:07:05,914
I don't know.

1359
01:07:06,376 --> 01:07:06,896
Speaker 3: They were great.

1360
01:07:07,556 --> 01:07:10,878
Speaker 1: I don't know if her
career ever really picked up

1361
01:07:10,998 --> 01:07:12,019
after that.

1362
01:07:12,019 --> 01:07:13,581
So I don't know.

1363
01:07:13,581 --> 01:07:16,463
Yeah, I don't know if they
really had to pull her leg or

1364
01:07:17,465 --> 01:07:17,965
whatever.

1365
01:07:17,965 --> 01:07:19,746
Pull her arm, I do.

1366
01:07:19,746 --> 01:07:26,822
It's funny, man, like it's
weird seeing jonathan and martha

1367
01:07:26,822 --> 01:07:30,052
kent and just appreciating them
in new lights.

1368
01:07:30,052 --> 01:07:31,514
You know, like it's.

1369
01:07:31,514 --> 01:07:34,402
It's also weird being an adult
and being like wait a minute,

1370
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:36,835
clark's mom is kind of pretty.

1371
01:07:36,835 --> 01:07:41,003
You know, like when I was a kid
I was just like she's just an

1372
01:07:41,043 --> 01:07:41,384
old lady.

1373
01:07:43,153 --> 01:07:45,981
Speaker 3: It's funny age is
weird, but I thought they were

1374
01:07:46,021 --> 01:07:46,402
great.

1375
01:07:46,402 --> 01:07:49,795
I mean in and I that you know
the season ends pretty well.

1376
01:07:49,795 --> 01:07:51,460
It's very bingeable also.

1377
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:57,159
Yeah it really I found myself I
think we talked about taping,

1378
01:07:57,338 --> 01:08:00,791
you know watching it last week
and I want to say, like I, we

1379
01:08:00,831 --> 01:08:05,021
got off and I started, you know,
right away and I think by the

1380
01:08:05,081 --> 01:08:07,135
end of the next day I had been
through like seven or eight

1381
01:08:07,195 --> 01:08:09,876
episodes, like it was really not
healthy.

1382
01:08:09,876 --> 01:08:12,920
But it's summer and it's great,
but it's really bingeable.

1383
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,279
It also makes some of the
cliffhangers a little bit more

1384
01:08:16,659 --> 01:08:21,774
palatable and I do like that
they stop doing like the Lex

1385
01:08:21,956 --> 01:08:24,132
breaking into the bank thing,
you know, like there are some

1386
01:08:24,153 --> 01:08:26,655
things that happen that you're
like this can't be right.

1387
01:08:26,655 --> 01:08:28,237
They can't do this every
episode.

1388
01:08:28,237 --> 01:08:32,190
Sometimes they raise the stakes
like so high right, like the

1389
01:08:32,230 --> 01:08:35,871
fact that it's 10 seasons, like
that hurricane man did I mean

1390
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:40,756
not hurricane, I'm sorry tornado
right, like that did some crazy

1391
01:08:40,756 --> 01:08:42,121
right, like damage.

1392
01:08:42,121 --> 01:08:45,837
And it's also a product of the
times because like everyone's

1393
01:08:45,917 --> 01:08:48,122
phone would be beeping right,
like I would just have that

1394
01:08:48,203 --> 01:08:52,961
emergency yeah, we're kind of
getting towards the end.

1395
01:08:53,121 --> 01:08:56,409
Speaker 2: One person that that
we we've kind of talked about

1396
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:59,756
but like not talked too much
about is pete.

1397
01:08:59,756 --> 01:09:03,569
You know, like we, we that's
that's uh clark's like you know,

1398
01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:04,283
one of his like closest friends
.

1399
01:09:04,283 --> 01:09:05,252
That's like's Clark's, like you
know, one of his closest

1400
01:09:05,211 --> 01:09:05,631
friends.

1401
01:09:05,631 --> 01:09:09,576
That's like his, it's his best
friend, somebody that he can

1402
01:09:09,615 --> 01:09:14,722
really like confide in, who also
, like he doesn't tell about his

1403
01:09:14,722 --> 01:09:17,666
powers until like later on in a
different season.

1404
01:09:17,789 --> 01:09:21,555
Speaker 1: But, yeah, he's also
somebody that he's withheld you

1405
01:09:21,617 --> 01:09:25,724
know this huge secret from,
especially throughout this like

1406
01:09:25,844 --> 01:09:30,519
first season I really like pete
just as a character and I I do

1407
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,509
see why the actor left the show
later on.

1408
01:09:34,509 --> 01:09:37,796
I don't think he makes it past
season two or three or whatever,

1409
01:09:37,796 --> 01:09:42,393
but I wish he had more to do
and I think that they make some

1410
01:09:42,472 --> 01:09:45,362
strides at like fixing that in
season two.

1411
01:09:45,362 --> 01:09:48,390
But I do appreciate that.

1412
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:51,838
This is a childhood friend of
clark's but there's a weird

1413
01:09:51,878 --> 01:09:54,990
thing that happens where he
becomes very, perhaps

1414
01:09:56,112 --> 01:10:00,173
unhealthily, close to lex luther
in this first season.

1415
01:10:00,173 --> 01:10:03,018
As a freshman in high school
he's good friends with a

1416
01:10:03,057 --> 01:10:04,162
24-year-old adult.

1417
01:10:04,162 --> 01:10:05,164
It's kind of weird.

1418
01:10:05,164 --> 01:10:08,056
It's not the weirdest thing
that's ever happened, but it's

1419
01:10:08,136 --> 01:10:12,798
up there in the weird scale of
Smallville, probably just under

1420
01:10:13,702 --> 01:10:16,519
Freak of the Week, weird, but
anyway.

1421
01:10:16,698 --> 01:10:20,097
There's a point in the season
where Clark actually says that

1422
01:10:20,177 --> 01:10:23,907
Lex is his best friend and
previously he always said that

1423
01:10:24,087 --> 01:10:27,181
Pete was his best friend and my
wife actually was like what

1424
01:10:27,222 --> 01:10:27,783
about Pete?

1425
01:10:27,783 --> 01:10:35,524
And it's true, pete just gets
kind of pushed aside for a good

1426
01:10:35,585 --> 01:10:39,729
portion of this show and there's
a couple episodes where Pete

1427
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:44,020
gets to shine a little bit, but
it's always Pete being the

1428
01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:48,309
person that really either gets
himself into trouble or needs to

1429
01:10:48,309 --> 01:10:48,810
be saved.

1430
01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:52,802
That's kind of a shame to me
because I think Lana gets a lot

1431
01:10:52,863 --> 01:10:56,539
more character development,
chloe gets a lot more character

1432
01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:59,643
development, even Whitney gets a
lot more character development

1433
01:10:59,682 --> 01:11:03,583
than Pete does, so I think that
that's not fair.

1434
01:11:04,375 --> 01:11:07,264
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess
we didn't talk about him a lot

1435
01:11:07,283 --> 01:11:08,086
because of that right.

1436
01:11:08,086 --> 01:11:13,954
Everybody else seems to have a
lot more to their character, and

1437
01:11:13,954 --> 01:11:15,742
then I mean he does.

1438
01:11:15,742 --> 01:11:18,878
There is a point where you
almost feel like you know the

1439
01:11:18,939 --> 01:11:21,462
reason that they're not hanging
out as much, or the reason that

1440
01:11:21,542 --> 01:11:25,609
he is calling Lex's best friend
is that Pete's a little sick of

1441
01:11:25,628 --> 01:11:26,369
his garbage.

1442
01:11:27,078 --> 01:11:30,079
You know, know, like there is
like one scene there I can't.

1443
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:31,484
They're in the hallway or
something.

1444
01:11:31,484 --> 01:11:33,016
He's just like yeah, well, you
know you can't.

1445
01:11:33,016 --> 01:11:33,738
That's just clark.

1446
01:11:33,738 --> 01:11:35,283
You can't rely on him.

1447
01:11:35,283 --> 01:11:36,766
Not those words.

1448
01:11:36,766 --> 01:11:37,488
But something.

1449
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:40,221
Speaker 1: He says something
along those lines yeah, and it's

1450
01:11:40,221 --> 01:11:43,555
, it's true, because clark,
while being a good person, while

1451
01:11:43,555 --> 01:11:46,462
being there for his friends
when they absolutely need him,

1452
01:11:47,265 --> 01:11:50,681
he isn't really there when they
want him to be and he's not

1453
01:11:50,702 --> 01:11:52,327
there when, when he wants to be,
you know.

1454
01:11:52,426 --> 01:11:57,850
And so in that respect he's not
a good friend visually, like he

1455
01:11:58,110 --> 01:12:00,578
from an outsider's point of view
looking into their friendship

1456
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:01,965
this guy's not a good friend.

1457
01:12:01,965 --> 01:12:04,716
He's never there for you,
except when he actually is there

1458
01:12:04,716 --> 01:12:06,881
for you and you just don't see
it, you, you know, it's one of

1459
01:12:06,902 --> 01:12:11,332
those weird Clarkisms where I
think another thing we got to

1460
01:12:11,353 --> 01:12:13,676
talk about is the music choice,
because so much of the choices

1461
01:12:13,837 --> 01:12:18,884
in like songs that they gave the
show helped flesh out the

1462
01:12:18,963 --> 01:12:21,908
emotional state of the
characters or like the

1463
01:12:22,009 --> 01:12:23,511
loneliness that Clark was
feeling.

1464
01:12:23,511 --> 01:12:28,025
I think the first episodes
starts with a song by Lifehouse

1465
01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:32,423
and they reintroduce that song
at the end of the season and

1466
01:12:32,484 --> 01:12:36,940
it's about basically going the
distance but being alone at the

1467
01:12:36,980 --> 01:12:37,462
same time.

1468
01:12:37,462 --> 01:12:41,155
And it's a really poignant
thing for Clark in this time

1469
01:12:41,195 --> 01:12:44,123
period where he can't get what
he wants because he's an awkward

1470
01:12:44,123 --> 01:12:44,987
teenager and all that.

1471
01:12:45,154 --> 01:12:48,475
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's
interesting yeah, man, and the

1472
01:12:48,837 --> 01:12:49,337
music.

1473
01:12:49,337 --> 01:12:52,104
Like when you listen to the
music you're like, ah yes, the

1474
01:12:52,144 --> 01:12:55,396
2000s yeah, oh man, I love it, I
love it.

1475
01:12:55,438 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: I do.

1476
01:12:55,759 --> 01:12:59,993
My dad always called it cw
music, because it was the music

1477
01:13:00,012 --> 01:13:02,300
that you'd only hear on like cw
and like.

1478
01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:05,007
But anyway, it's, it's, it's.

1479
01:13:05,007 --> 01:13:07,414
It works for something like
this what are you talking about,

1480
01:13:07,414 --> 01:13:07,895
man?

1481
01:13:08,115 --> 01:13:11,283
Speaker 3: I definitely listened
to papa roach outside of

1482
01:13:11,443 --> 01:13:15,297
smallville okay, okay, all right
, all right, all right it wasn't

1483
01:13:15,297 --> 01:13:18,725
my last resort man, all right,
I listened to it first look man,

1484
01:13:18,725 --> 01:13:24,162
I definitely heard dido a lot
at publics okay oh, what else do

1485
01:13:24,162 --> 01:13:24,623
they have?

1486
01:13:24,623 --> 01:13:26,327
Oh God, sum 41.

1487
01:13:26,327 --> 01:13:27,269
I heard on one episode.

1488
01:13:27,269 --> 01:13:29,944
I was like yes, they had Sum 41
.

1489
01:13:30,154 --> 01:13:32,422
Speaker 2: At one point there
was All-American Rejects.

1490
01:13:32,422 --> 01:13:37,559
They had some solid tunes in
that show Massive attack.

1491
01:13:37,618 --> 01:13:39,471
Speaker 1: I heard in the
background of a scene yeah, no,

1492
01:13:39,492 --> 01:13:41,402
they got some stuff in there,
guys.

1493
01:13:41,402 --> 01:13:44,055
Final thoughts season one Love
it, hate it.

1494
01:13:44,055 --> 01:13:44,655
Let's start with Rich.

1495
01:13:44,655 --> 01:13:46,257
I Thoughts season one Love it,
hate it, let's start with Rich,

1496
01:13:46,278 --> 01:13:48,340
I'm going to watch the entire
damn series.

1497
01:13:48,740 --> 01:13:51,122
Speaker 3: I tend to dislike
characters.

1498
01:13:51,122 --> 01:13:54,167
I think this is a good thing,
right, like I do the same thing

1499
01:13:54,186 --> 01:13:57,250
with Greek Gatsby kind of I'd
have to pretend every year that

1500
01:13:57,270 --> 01:14:01,936
I don't hate the characters and
then, once I start analyzing

1501
01:14:02,337 --> 01:14:03,659
their motives and stuff, I don't
like them.

1502
01:14:03,659 --> 01:14:05,663
That aside, the villain of Lana
Lang, aside the Thanos of this

1503
01:14:06,045 --> 01:14:08,009
universe, I would heartily
recommend it.

1504
01:14:08,009 --> 01:14:11,506
If you like comic book stuff,
this is a great show.

1505
01:14:11,506 --> 01:14:15,497
If you have a significant other
who's not really into comic

1506
01:14:15,518 --> 01:14:19,626
book stuff because of the kind
of teenage angst drama, this

1507
01:14:19,766 --> 01:14:21,109
reels in two audiences.

1508
01:14:21,109 --> 01:14:23,841
I think this is a perfect
couple show, sure.

1509
01:14:24,282 --> 01:14:28,251
Speaker 1: Okay, and I can
attest to that because my wife

1510
01:14:28,572 --> 01:14:30,275
has, like I mentioned earlier in
the show.

1511
01:14:30,275 --> 01:14:33,603
She has not watched the show
previously, but you know she's

1512
01:14:33,722 --> 01:14:39,118
into those early 2000s just teen
drama shows gilmore girls, the

1513
01:14:39,219 --> 01:14:40,440
oc stuff like that.

1514
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:45,127
So this hits that niche where
you have the teenage drama, you

1515
01:14:45,167 --> 01:14:50,615
have the that early 2000s
writing style that you don't

1516
01:14:50,695 --> 01:14:54,645
really get, plus the episode
count and the expected amount of

1517
01:14:54,645 --> 01:14:57,698
episodes per seasons that you
would normally get in early

1518
01:14:57,719 --> 01:15:01,188
2000s shows and like cable tv
shows that you don't really get

1519
01:15:01,335 --> 01:15:05,885
these days, plus the fact that
it's a superhero drama, like you

1520
01:15:05,885 --> 01:15:10,122
said, rich, it brings in two
worlds and my wife loves it,

1521
01:15:10,222 --> 01:15:10,463
dude.

1522
01:15:10,463 --> 01:15:14,377
She's like she wants me to
finish this so that I can go

1523
01:15:14,457 --> 01:15:16,786
back and watch another episode
downstairs.

1524
01:15:16,786 --> 01:15:22,569
She wants me actually to tell
you both that she was debating

1525
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:26,123
coming onto the podcast just to
complain about one of the freaks

1526
01:15:26,123 --> 01:15:26,465
of the week.

1527
01:15:33,215 --> 01:15:33,576
Speaker 2: Specifically Dude.

1528
01:15:33,576 --> 01:15:34,317
We've been waiting, waiting.

1529
01:15:34,337 --> 01:15:34,957
Speaker 1: We've asked her a
million times.

1530
01:15:34,957 --> 01:15:36,060
Look, it's the summertime,
where is she?

1531
01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:37,121
I, I know, I know, I know.

1532
01:15:37,121 --> 01:15:43,015
So she wanted to complain like
the worst villain of all was the

1533
01:15:43,015 --> 01:15:47,583
guy who, like, fell into the
cold leg, the murderer, and the

1534
01:15:47,623 --> 01:15:50,810
murderer who you know per her.

1535
01:15:51,176 --> 01:15:55,864
She says that why did he just
like come back to life and

1536
01:15:55,925 --> 01:15:57,956
started depriving the town of
all its baddies?

1537
01:15:57,956 --> 01:16:04,127
I mean, and and she's like all
he did was like go back to

1538
01:16:04,186 --> 01:16:07,240
school and start targeting the
hottest people and she was

1539
01:16:07,282 --> 01:16:09,288
depriving a whole school of
their ecosystem.

1540
01:16:09,288 --> 01:16:10,493
Oh wait, wait, wait.

1541
01:16:11,076 --> 01:16:11,817
Speaker 3: The frozen guy.

1542
01:16:11,817 --> 01:16:13,158
Right, you mean the frozen guy?

1543
01:16:13,158 --> 01:16:16,404
Yes, oh yes, sorry, there was
two people who fell.

1544
01:16:16,444 --> 01:16:17,185
Speaker 2: I'm like yes.

1545
01:16:17,606 --> 01:16:19,229
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no the cold
.

1546
01:16:20,036 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 3: It was the episode
Cold.

1547
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,180
Yes, that was rather ridiculous
.

1548
01:16:23,180 --> 01:16:26,952
I, I just I do love the idea
that, like if he had been like

1549
01:16:27,113 --> 01:16:29,760
somebody who wasn't as cool and
it wasn't single, like he

1550
01:16:29,779 --> 01:16:32,314
wouldn't have been able to get
anybody right, but he had his

1551
01:16:32,335 --> 01:16:35,462
little black book of numbers so
he was good, you know.

1552
01:16:35,462 --> 01:16:37,688
And I love how he forgot about
chloe's.

1553
01:16:37,688 --> 01:16:40,905
But then looks at his hand and
despite the fact that this man

1554
01:16:41,668 --> 01:16:45,742
has gone some sort of chemical
change, like on a genetic, on a

1555
01:16:45,822 --> 01:16:50,716
cellular level, right, his body
absorbs heat in a completely

1556
01:16:50,778 --> 01:16:53,939
different fashion than it ever
did before, but the number is

1557
01:16:53,998 --> 01:16:55,501
still on his hands.

1558
01:16:56,461 --> 01:16:59,305
Speaker 1: I was actually like
the moment he fell into the lake

1559
01:16:59,305 --> 01:17:02,454
after she put the numbers on
his hand, I was like, oh man, he

1560
01:17:02,454 --> 01:17:04,817
probably lost those numbers
because you know water.

1561
01:17:04,817 --> 01:17:07,203
But nope, no, he's good.

1562
01:17:07,203 --> 01:17:09,297
He's good, anthony, let's,
let's bring it over to you.

1563
01:17:09,297 --> 01:17:10,402
What are your thoughts on the
first season?

1564
01:17:11,324 --> 01:17:13,216
Speaker 2: man, you know the
first season.

1565
01:17:13,216 --> 01:17:19,106
It is a nostalgic, you know
ride man, I remember binge

1566
01:17:19,146 --> 01:17:22,318
watching that first season with
you at my grandma's house, man,

1567
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,645
and remember I had gotten season
, my dad had gotten it for me,

1568
01:17:27,226 --> 01:17:32,983
the box I actually had I have up
to season five, I think, like I

1569
01:17:32,983 --> 01:17:34,045
own on DVD.

1570
01:17:34,045 --> 01:17:37,957
And yeah, man, I dude, I
remember those days and so like

1571
01:17:37,997 --> 01:17:39,400
watching that kind of brought me
back.

1572
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,896
It's really like such a
nostalgic trip, just watching

1573
01:17:43,917 --> 01:17:44,457
that show.

1574
01:17:44,457 --> 01:17:48,648
You know the time time, you
know we were kids at the time

1575
01:17:48,828 --> 01:17:51,862
and you know it was just like
one of those things that we

1576
01:17:51,902 --> 01:17:55,237
could always talk about every
week whenever a new episode came

1577
01:17:55,237 --> 01:17:59,831
out yeah, I'm excited to dive
even further into this show.

1578
01:18:00,051 --> 01:18:02,797
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm a
couple episodes into season two

1579
01:18:02,837 --> 01:18:07,407
at this point and even just
those couple episodes, you can

1580
01:18:07,547 --> 01:18:11,261
just tell there's a quality
increase in the writers room and

1581
01:18:11,261 --> 01:18:13,847
there's something about like
they've figured out their

1582
01:18:13,954 --> 01:18:18,043
formula and they're just like,
okay, this is what we're gonna

1583
01:18:18,083 --> 01:18:23,578
do, and I'm excited to get back
into that because this show gets

1584
01:18:23,578 --> 01:18:23,960
so good.

1585
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,466
It really and it already was
good in the first season it's

1586
01:18:27,506 --> 01:18:31,796
just kind of you have to suspend
a lot of disbelief because of

1587
01:18:31,997 --> 01:18:34,951
the amount of people,
specifically teenagers, angsty

1588
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:38,518
teenagers, who are transformed
by some media rock hey guys, hey

1589
01:18:38,518 --> 01:18:38,719
guys.

1590
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 3: So he's an old guy,
so he used to kill people when

1591
01:18:41,739 --> 01:18:44,920
he was younger, when he was, you
know, it was back in the 50s.

1592
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:52,355
So how does it?

1593
01:18:52,355 --> 01:18:53,198
How do people in the 50s kill
people?

1594
01:18:53,198 --> 01:18:54,442
It's got to be a garrot, right,
it's got to be a garrot like.

1595
01:18:54,462 --> 01:18:55,805
Speaker 1: I love that he just
carries around a garrot like

1596
01:18:55,826 --> 01:18:56,467
like an old-timey mafia villain.

1597
01:18:56,467 --> 01:18:58,192
No, no, no, no, those are piano
strings.

1598
01:18:58,192 --> 01:18:58,954
Come on now.

1599
01:18:59,454 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: I would say actually
I think that transformation was

1600
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:05,203
definitely a desire.

1601
01:19:05,203 --> 01:19:09,208
That one was one, that was one
of the ones that was a desire.

1602
01:19:09,208 --> 01:19:14,342
And then the catalyst I guess
that made it happen was him

1603
01:19:14,382 --> 01:19:17,769
being electrocuted in water that
had meteor rocks.

1604
01:19:17,769 --> 01:19:21,524
But the physicality of that
doesn't make sense as far as him

1605
01:19:21,524 --> 01:19:22,225
getting younger.

1606
01:19:22,225 --> 01:19:25,764
The other ones you can explain,
because dude fell into a cold

1607
01:19:25,804 --> 01:19:27,992
lake, dude was in a hot sauna.

1608
01:19:27,992 --> 01:19:31,823
The other one was attacked by
bugs that were irradiated by you

1609
01:19:31,823 --> 01:19:34,737
know like that stuff made sense
, but I don't know.

1610
01:19:34,737 --> 01:19:40,286
I guess electricity, water and
meteor rocks equal younger self.

1611
01:19:41,047 --> 01:19:43,817
Speaker 1: I one of these days,
guys one of these days I am

1612
01:19:43,856 --> 01:19:48,822
going to go through this show
and I'm going to compile a list

1613
01:19:49,422 --> 01:19:53,185
of all of the cases of people
getting some sort of kryptonite

1614
01:19:53,627 --> 01:19:59,036
poisoning or boons that they
receive power-wise, and I'm

1615
01:19:59,055 --> 01:20:02,543
going to figure out, I'm going
to boil down exactly what it is

1616
01:20:02,805 --> 01:20:04,979
that's happening to these
individuals, because there's got

1617
01:20:04,979 --> 01:20:05,421
to be something.

1618
01:20:05,421 --> 01:20:07,724
It's like some magic system
that I haven't cracked yet.

1619
01:20:07,724 --> 01:20:09,139
Anthony, you came pretty close.

1620
01:20:09,139 --> 01:20:10,444
We're going to figure it out.

1621
01:20:10,444 --> 01:20:13,076
Guys, thank you so much for
listening to us here for our

1622
01:20:13,195 --> 01:20:16,685
129th episode of Project
Geekology.

1623
01:20:17,435 --> 01:20:21,786
129 episodes is a far cry from
the over 200 episodes of

1624
01:20:21,826 --> 01:20:25,885
Smallville, but we were able to
cover, at least in a roundabout

1625
01:20:25,944 --> 01:20:27,579
way, the first 21 of those.

1626
01:20:27,579 --> 01:20:31,520
So thank you so much for
listening to us here for our

1627
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,363
latest episode.

1628
01:20:32,363 --> 01:20:35,317
Please be sure to check back
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1629
01:20:35,317 --> 01:20:38,184
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01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:43,582
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1632
01:20:43,582 --> 01:20:47,666
Guys, thanks, have a good one
somebody save me.