WEBVTT 00:00:00.341 --> 00:00:04.006 Welcome to episode 129 of Project Geekology. 00:00:04.006 --> 00:00:05.269 My name is Dakota. 00:00:05.269 --> 00:00:06.211 I'm one-third of your host. 00:00:06.211 --> 00:00:11.070 I'm joined, as always, with Anthony and joining us. 00:00:12.304 --> 00:00:15.467 Rich, super excited to talk to you guys about Smallville. 00:00:15.467 --> 00:00:15.909 This week. 00:00:15.909 --> 00:00:16.510 I've been. 00:00:16.510 --> 00:00:20.541 I mean, I look, I'll just tell you guys off-air this was said. 00:00:20.541 --> 00:00:38.350 I told everybody involved in this podcast that I would have been willing if this, if, if they were willing to do this, I was willing to just make this a like 100 something episode run of just smallville, like a weekly discussion, breaking each episode down. 00:00:38.350 --> 00:00:45.810 And, lucky for you guys, our other hosts care about you more than that, so we we will not be doing that, but I'm super excited. 00:00:45.810 --> 00:00:46.732 I don't know about you, gents. 00:00:47.380 --> 00:00:48.984 Our three fans are grateful. 00:00:50.109 --> 00:00:53.450 You know what I would love to do something like that. 00:00:53.450 --> 00:00:56.289 I don't know that I have the stamina for it. 00:00:56.289 --> 00:00:57.325 I have the love for it. 00:00:57.325 --> 00:00:59.319 I do really love this show. 00:00:59.319 --> 00:01:06.213 I think, going back to this show again, it's easily in my top five top ten shows ever. 00:01:06.213 --> 00:01:22.387 But yeah, I don't know that each episode deserves a full hour of my attention, like vocally anyway, but as a whole, season-wide, I think that we can make a really nice episode out of each season, and there's ten seasons. 00:01:22.387 --> 00:01:56.393 So instead of breaking it up into like half seasons or whatever, I think if we go back to smallville down the line, we'll just do whole seasons, just because it encompasses an entire story and a vibe that each season has, and I think the first season has a very specific vibe that we can talk about as a whole so right, and I, I feel like, even when the show starts to dive into lore, you know, like superman lore, it's not enough to where I feel like I need to break it down into, like you know, two-parter. 00:01:56.974 --> 00:02:01.266 Like rings of power definitely needed to be broken down into two halves. 00:02:01.266 --> 00:02:04.173 I really wish that we did that with shogun. 00:02:04.173 --> 00:02:10.848 Shogun 100 could have, you know, gone for that treatment, but you know, this is something that we decided after the fact. 00:02:10.848 --> 00:02:29.771 But, yeah, no, I, I, I really do think that, you know, I guess, depending on whatever it is that we're covering, yeah, smallville, I, I could, I could say that like we could do the full season in a one-episode run, because we don't really have to do a play-by-play of each episode. 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:40.468 We will be talking about certain moments in each episode, maybe not each episode, but moments that stuck out to us individually and we'll touch on that as a group. 00:02:40.468 --> 00:02:53.699 But yeah, it's going to be exciting discussing Smallville and we won't be doing it every single week, but we definitely want to eventually get through the 10 seasons of Smallville. 00:02:53.699 --> 00:02:55.665 I think that would be a fun goal for us. 00:02:55.665 --> 00:03:06.562 But as it stands, we're covering the first 21 episodes of Smallville, the first season, starting with the pilot episode, ending in the. 00:03:06.562 --> 00:03:11.812 I forget what the final episode is called, but it's something akin to oh, it's Tempest, it's called Tempest. 00:03:11.812 --> 00:03:15.009 So, yeah, we're going to be covering all of that and more you know what. 00:03:15.009 --> 00:03:18.751 Before we get into any of that, let's jump into what we've been up to this past week. 00:03:18.751 --> 00:03:19.881 Let's start with you, rich. 00:03:19.881 --> 00:03:20.861 What have you been up to? 00:03:22.663 --> 00:03:27.766 Hopefully something epic you know I will just recap it quickly, but you know I did attend a number of Met games. 00:03:27.766 --> 00:03:29.187 They were actually back in town. 00:03:29.187 --> 00:03:35.393 They were away and had some group tickets lined up a long, long time ago, so these weren't even spur of the moment tickets. 00:03:35.393 --> 00:03:40.697 Pete Alonso is a very prolific player on the New York Mets, one of my favorites. 00:03:40.697 --> 00:03:53.066 Despite the fact that Mr Soto got paid so much money, I actually woke up in the offseason every day just looking at Twitter going please tell me they signed Pete Alonso, like I didn't care that we got the other guy. 00:03:53.066 --> 00:03:59.830 I needed Pete and he's been a Met his entire career, so nobody's really come close to ever being able to do this. 00:03:59.830 --> 00:04:07.007 He took over the franchise lead for home runs at 254 home runs, so I got to be there in attendance. 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:13.252 So the record now is 254 home runs for a Mets player. 00:04:13.512 --> 00:04:15.586 Yes, as like wearing a Mets uniform. 00:04:15.586 --> 00:04:24.175 So for example there was a player, gary Sheffield, who played for a lot of teams and when he played on the Mets he did hit his 500th home run as a Met. 00:04:24.516 --> 00:04:25.220 But it doesn't count. 00:04:25.220 --> 00:04:36.160 Yeah, because he wasn't a met for most of that exactly I understand so these are two pete alonso is the top of the top when it comes to mets, players and home runs yeah, so it was a cool it was. 00:04:36.221 --> 00:04:40.310 It was a cool moment, like they and you were there for that game yeah that's exciting. 00:04:40.310 --> 00:04:41.141 How was the stadium? 00:04:41.141 --> 00:04:42.184 It was crazy. 00:04:42.184 --> 00:04:46.374 I mean, the only thing that I think you know, obviously, being a person, was, you know I was so happy. 00:04:46.374 --> 00:04:55.120 I remember sitting there and I was getting anxious during his at bats, because now, every time he comes up, everybody's like oh, oh, this could be it right you know. 00:04:55.723 --> 00:05:02.785 So the first time he came up he hit one like, let's say, five feet short of the left field wall, and you're like, oh man, he's trying to do it. 00:05:02.785 --> 00:05:09.740 And the next step bad he came up and I think that was yeah, he just hit it out like right away and they did uh they had like a graphic. 00:05:10.060 --> 00:05:27.865 They call him the polar bear, so they had like polar bear animations walking past strawberries, because daryl strawberry was the guy who has the record, so it's like he's walking and it's very weird, absolutely ridiculous definitely ai slop like it's absurd and Absolutely ridiculous, definitely AI slop Like it's absurd. 00:05:27.865 --> 00:05:39.975 And then the play-by-play guy for the Mets actually said he says out loud, he said he's like you know, pete Alonso has reached it, he's on an iceberg all alone, you know like. 00:05:40.696 --> 00:05:43.521 How sad for him, how sad for Pete Alonso. 00:05:43.521 --> 00:05:44.444 Like that, like that's, so, that's. 00:05:44.464 --> 00:05:51.980 you know, poor, get him off of there so that that was pretty cool yeah, and I just we got to see a bunch of movies we went to see. 00:05:51.980 --> 00:05:57.230 Now, since we last recorded, I also think I added bad guys too how was that? 00:05:57.973 --> 00:05:58.374 really fun. 00:05:58.374 --> 00:06:00.762 My, my son, uh, and wife loved the books. 00:06:00.762 --> 00:06:08.012 They they read them together, like you know, as a as a bedtime kind of thing routine, so he's really been into him. 00:06:08.012 --> 00:06:08.853 So they went. 00:06:08.853 --> 00:06:11.279 They were very excited about it and I I thought it was. 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:25.915 I just thought it was weird when I realized it was sam rockwell as the lead voice, because I think of him as like that twerp in iron man iron man too yeah, yeah, you know I didn't even realize that there was books for bad guys. 00:06:25.975 --> 00:06:27.321 Very interesting, very interesting. 00:06:27.321 --> 00:06:29.586 Let's bring it over to anthony. 00:06:29.586 --> 00:06:31.911 What the heck have you been up to, my guy? 00:06:32.151 --> 00:06:32.892 man. 00:06:32.892 --> 00:06:42.197 I have been living my 2004 life man or 2005 yeah, man, I've been tell me about it. 00:06:42.237 --> 00:06:47.370 Tell me about it yeah, dude, like I've been watching smallville and playing World of Warcraft. 00:06:47.370 --> 00:07:06.865 You know, because I've seen Smallville a few times, it's definitely one of those things that I know what's going on so I don't have to fully pay attention and so I'll be playing World of Warcraft and then I'll watch, like what's going on screen and then go back to wow and, dude, it's just been a good time. 00:07:06.865 --> 00:07:10.642 Like it really brought me back to, like, you know, my childhood doing that. 00:07:10.642 --> 00:07:14.651 But yeah, I know, I've been just, you know, small villain it up. 00:07:14.651 --> 00:07:20.088 I mean, I had already seen season one, like a couple weeks ago. 00:07:20.088 --> 00:07:22.093 So, like right now I'm on season three. 00:07:22.093 --> 00:07:22.432 I didn't. 00:07:22.432 --> 00:07:27.702 I mean, season one is fresh in my mind and it's the season that I've seen the most. 00:07:27.702 --> 00:07:30.850 So it's, you know and it's not. 00:07:30.850 --> 00:07:38.913 It doesn't really start to deep, it doesn't really start to dive into deeper, you know krypton lore, until you get to season two. 00:07:38.913 --> 00:07:44.608 So you know, it's nothing too crazy in the first season, but yeah, it's been a good time, man. 00:07:45.288 --> 00:07:45.629 Awesome. 00:07:45.629 --> 00:07:47.052 That's really cool to hear. 00:07:47.052 --> 00:07:47.994 I'm happy to hear. 00:07:48.014 --> 00:07:48.935 What about you, Dakota? 00:07:48.935 --> 00:07:50.586 I know you got some stuff going on. 00:07:51.281 --> 00:07:52.425 Not as much as you might think. 00:07:52.425 --> 00:07:56.891 In fact, I pretty much have just been binging Smallville, which has been fun. 00:07:56.891 --> 00:08:09.752 I think a big portion of doing Smallville seasons as a whole for a weekly show means that you're pretty much going to spend most of your time, most of your free time anyway, watching Smallville episodes, and it's a lovely. 00:08:09.752 --> 00:08:14.382 It's a lovely opportunity to just, you know, revisit stuff that you haven't visited in decades. 00:08:14.382 --> 00:08:22.843 So for me this was a really, really fun experience, because my wife Jen has never watched Smallville Like she might. 00:08:22.903 --> 00:08:36.568 She might've watched an episode or two here, two here or there, just like in passing, like I might have turned on something, or my brother might have turned on something, and she experienced it that way, but she didn't really ever get into any of the character drama or anything like that. 00:08:36.568 --> 00:08:46.793 So this has been a really fun experience because I've been able to experience it for the first time through someone else's eyes, even though I know exactly what's going to happen each and every episode. 00:08:46.793 --> 00:08:54.792 It's fun, I'm really enjoying it and, yeah, I don't think I've been up to anything else. 00:08:54.792 --> 00:08:55.373 Crazy. 00:08:55.373 --> 00:09:03.605 I will be going to Iceland tomorrow, so I'm going to be out next week, whether or not there will be a Project. 00:09:03.625 --> 00:09:17.145 Geek ecology show out next week is up to our other hosts, but I will not be present yes, I think that uh well, rich, and I will kind of like plan it out to see what we'll be releasing. 00:09:17.145 --> 00:09:19.253 So just keep an ear out. 00:09:19.253 --> 00:09:23.168 That episode will be a surprise and it should be good. 00:09:23.168 --> 00:09:27.884 Yeah, I think this will be the first time that it's going to be a rich and anthony episode. 00:09:28.346 --> 00:09:39.206 We haven't had a dakota and rich episode, but maybe in the future and we're probably thinking about, like what, a deep dive on the marlins baseball franchise starting in 1997. 00:09:39.206 --> 00:09:40.289 So anthony's? 00:09:40.309 --> 00:09:41.956 just shaking his really immediately. 00:09:41.956 --> 00:09:45.548 Anthony just started shaking his head I I love it, I love it yeah. 00:09:45.629 --> 00:09:46.129 I love that. 00:09:46.129 --> 00:09:55.553 No, I'm excited to hear what you guys come up with for next episode, but for this episode I think we should just dive right into all of Smallville. 00:09:55.553 --> 00:10:09.969 I want to talk about just going back to this show and what it means or what it meant back in the day show and what it means or what it meant back in the day, because this was before any of the cw like arrowverse shows were a thing. 00:10:09.969 --> 00:10:11.011 This was before flash. 00:10:11.011 --> 00:10:11.975 This was before arrow. 00:10:11.975 --> 00:10:15.730 This was before legends of tomorrow or anything like that supergirl. 00:10:15.730 --> 00:10:17.977 There was another super man show. 00:10:18.219 --> 00:10:45.912 Actually there was a bunch of shows that all kind of stemmed out of what was the space that Smallville left after it concluded after 10 seasons, Because after the 10th season of Smallville that's when they started Arrow and all that and that spawned a whole genre of like an in-universe series and I think that's awesome that they were able to make that a reality. 00:10:45.912 --> 00:11:03.751 But that would never have been possible if it weren't for the 10 seasons of Smallville iterating the initial run of Superman before he was Superman, and I think that's a very special thing. 00:11:03.751 --> 00:11:16.552 I think it's very cool that you know the very first DC comic superhero is the one that kicked off, you know, kickstarted a huge franchise for Warner Brothers and CW. 00:11:16.552 --> 00:11:28.241 Even though it's not like a huge franchise nowadays, it was for a good portion of the 2010s portion of the 2010s. 00:11:28.261 --> 00:11:29.144 Yeah it, it went on for a while, man. 00:11:29.144 --> 00:11:33.211 It spanned pretty much from the early 2000s all the way to the early 2010s, and it lasted pretty long. 00:11:33.211 --> 00:11:34.894 I mean 10 seasons of this show. 00:11:34.894 --> 00:11:39.024 A lot of shows don't last that long so smallville. 00:11:39.164 --> 00:11:48.556 Actually, I think for a good portion of time it held the record for longest running American sci-fi drama. 00:11:48.556 --> 00:11:51.268 Wow, you know, like a live action American sci-fi drama. 00:11:51.268 --> 00:12:09.092 I think it hit like 210 episodes or something like that, something close to around 200 plus episodes that were consecutively released over a 10 year period without any major breaks, and that is a record that I think was only broken by Supernatural. 00:12:09.092 --> 00:12:15.488 I think Supernatural was the one that you know broke that record, but it's still very oppressive. 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:16.621 Yeah, yeah. 00:12:16.621 --> 00:12:24.192 Speaking of that Supernatural, one of the characters of that show was on Smallville in a later season. 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:29.383 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 00:12:29.383 --> 00:12:30.004 This is only season one. 00:12:30.004 --> 00:12:30.365 We don't know. 00:12:30.365 --> 00:12:31.047 We don't know about those people. 00:12:31.067 --> 00:12:34.081 Yet the the um I know the reference the uh, what do you call it? 00:12:34.081 --> 00:12:43.687 Um, I guess the rules on spoilers are just that they're non-existent now, but yeah, whenever, whenever we get to, uh, I would love it. 00:12:43.687 --> 00:12:46.451 Whenever we get to that season, we'll talk about it again. 00:12:47.900 --> 00:12:54.982 Honestly, anthony, I want you to say it right and I want somebody to write into the show and be like I can't believe. 00:12:54.982 --> 00:13:03.807 I've been waiting to watch the entirety of Smallville and I was listening to season one to see if I would dive in, and you've ruined it for me, anthony. 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:05.586 That would be wild. 00:13:05.586 --> 00:13:06.441 You know that. 00:13:06.441 --> 00:13:10.788 That'd be like like really old hate, like just think about that. 00:13:10.788 --> 00:13:13.961 It's like what rock were you under? 00:13:14.844 --> 00:13:19.921 so let's talk a little bit about I mean, let's talk a lot about about smallville, season one. 00:13:19.921 --> 00:13:28.235 I think one thing that I really like about this first season is that it's not immediately grabbing. 00:13:28.235 --> 00:13:37.615 When I think of Smallville, I think of the long arcs that the characters have, drama-wise, in later seasons. 00:13:37.615 --> 00:14:06.048 We start getting multi-episode story arcs later down the line and we only really start getting those in the end of the first season when they start threading in story beats that pay off later and for a good portion of season one it's like them continuously just dipping their toes in the pool and seeing, does this work, pose in the pool and seeing, does this work, does this work, does this work? 00:14:06.048 --> 00:14:09.652 And some of it does, some of it doesn't. 00:14:09.652 --> 00:14:14.557 So I want to hear your thoughts on, like, what did work this season. 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.825 I know Anthony, you're all the way in season three at this point and Rich, you're well into season two. 00:14:20.825 --> 00:14:23.792 I started watching season two as well, but we're just talking season one right now. 00:14:23.792 --> 00:14:27.307 What really worked for you in the beginning of smallville? 00:14:27.307 --> 00:14:29.677 What didn't work for you in the beginning of smallville? 00:14:29.739 --> 00:14:34.248 let's start with anthony so kind of like it's exactly like what you said. 00:14:34.248 --> 00:14:58.370 It doesn't grab you right away, I guess, like story-wise, and I think that that's why we got a lot of the freak of the week, you know, especially in the beginning of that season, where it was also a way to kind of showcase what Clark can do at that time, because by the time we get to Smallville, I mean, it starts off with the meteor shower that you know. 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:04.471 Krypton explodes, the meteor shower happens, but we don't get Clark at a very young age. 00:15:04.471 --> 00:15:07.802 Shower happens, but we don't get clark at a very young age. 00:15:07.802 --> 00:15:16.182 I mean, you see him, you know, as a kid popping up to jonathan and martha kent, but you get him at his, you know, at his freshman year of high school. 00:15:16.182 --> 00:15:26.339 And so I think in the beginning it's trying to show you what he can do, like what he knows, and there's a lot that he just doesn't know. 00:15:26.418 --> 00:15:27.621 I really like that. 00:15:27.621 --> 00:15:31.369 We have this young clark that he only know. 00:15:31.369 --> 00:15:41.033 He knows that he has super strength, he knows that he has super speed and and this invulnerability until, like you know, he comes across kryptonite. 00:15:41.033 --> 00:15:47.092 But it's, you know, and even then in this season they call it meteor rock. 00:15:47.092 --> 00:15:48.822 You know they don't even call it kryptonite. 00:15:48.822 --> 00:15:50.706 So I like that. 00:15:50.706 --> 00:15:56.985 I like that they build up to the name of it you know, and that even the name of it you know. 00:15:56.985 --> 00:15:59.791 I mean, you find it out later but it's. 00:15:59.791 --> 00:16:06.993 I like that there's a lot that you know, even though even if you're a Superman fan, you know about some of these elements. 00:16:06.993 --> 00:16:25.836 I like that they build them up and, like you said, they start to pay off in later seasons and I think that that's what they do really well, is to really like set the T up and then for them to just, you know, whack away at, you know, at some of these, some of these later story beats. 00:16:26.539 --> 00:16:40.208 But yeah, like you said, I think that the fact that it has a little bit of a slow start Is what kind of messes it up a little bit, but not enough to take you out completely. 00:16:40.208 --> 00:16:50.730 And I think that at the time that you and I watched it, we were young enough to like really not care about some of this stuff, and so we look back on it fondly, you know. 00:16:50.730 --> 00:16:55.227 I know, like you and I, we kind of know our experiences with smallville. 00:16:55.227 --> 00:16:58.801 We watched it back, like you know, when it premiered. 00:16:58.801 --> 00:17:04.247 So you know yours and I like our experiences are very similar. 00:17:04.247 --> 00:17:08.531 I'm really like interested in like hearing like what Rich has to say. 00:17:08.531 --> 00:17:12.856 You know, kind of to answer your question and his relationship with that. 00:17:12.856 --> 00:17:19.834 Like you know, in those earlier days did you like Rich, did you watch it when it started coming out or did you watch it down the line? 00:17:20.299 --> 00:17:24.451 It's hard to pinpoint, so I think that I didn't watch it at first. 00:17:24.451 --> 00:17:26.291 What year did it come out? 00:17:26.291 --> 00:17:27.279 This was 2001. 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:33.549 Okay, so I'm 19 at the time and I don't think I had started to watch it. 00:17:33.549 --> 00:17:41.107 I think I ended up moving in with a roommate who was pretty into it and he tried to get me to watch a couple. 00:17:41.107 --> 00:17:47.986 And then something kind of my work schedule changed and it was actually a big deal because I used to work in a group home. 00:17:47.986 --> 00:17:55.009 So you know, I I have to go to appointments and stuff like that, but a lot of the time was spent in the house so you'd have the tv on. 00:17:55.652 --> 00:18:05.230 So when I worked the morning shift, I watched all of charmed, like the woman who was the boss of that shift basically was like, by the way, we watched charmed here, like, so like we. 00:18:05.230 --> 00:18:08.528 It was always charmed, we never missed an episode of charmed. 00:18:08.528 --> 00:18:22.288 And then when I worked the night shift, the kind of crew, the shift leader, was a huge fan of smallville, so it was on like every night on, like abc disney or abc family, I think at the time it was called. 00:18:22.288 --> 00:18:24.392 So that's how I started watching. 00:18:24.392 --> 00:18:27.265 It was really like he was really into it. 00:18:27.265 --> 00:18:28.367 I'd watch some of it with him. 00:18:28.367 --> 00:18:33.968 And then they did one of those random resets when they're doing reruns and he was like, oh, this is the perfect moment for you. 00:18:33.968 --> 00:18:35.873 So then we binged it. 00:18:35.873 --> 00:18:42.762 You know as much as you could binge in those days, like we watched it every day, and I don't think they played them on saturdays and sundays. 00:18:42.762 --> 00:18:51.256 I think they stayed true to the rerun model, let's say 6 pm or 5 pm every Monday through Friday. 00:18:51.256 --> 00:18:56.031 So you know the Monday show would be the one from the Friday show. 00:18:56.660 --> 00:19:01.231 So I ended up, I'd say, maybe in the middle, probably somewhere in the middle, catching up on it. 00:19:01.231 --> 00:19:04.028 And there are things I love about it. 00:19:04.028 --> 00:19:08.667 I do, finally, recall it being, like you know, one of the first superhero shows that I got to watch. 00:19:08.667 --> 00:19:10.172 So that was really cool. 00:19:10.172 --> 00:19:23.451 I forgot how much and I'm not saying the actors, but I forgot how many of the characters I absolutely despise, like just I, I can't stand them. 00:19:23.451 --> 00:19:29.785 If I was their teacher, I would have a hard time holding my disdain back from these students. 00:19:29.785 --> 00:19:33.913 I, you know, I don't want to name names we'll get. 00:19:33.932 --> 00:19:34.500 We'll get to that. 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:40.512 We'll get to that for sure are you talking about the, the fully grown adult high schoolers? 00:19:40.512 --> 00:19:49.648 That you know, back then it was believable, like so it was believable for like dakota and I, because you know we were younger and everybody was older than us. 00:19:49.648 --> 00:19:57.285 But then, like you look back at it now and you're like nah, these are college kids and they're in high school I could buy okay. 00:19:57.404 --> 00:20:06.561 So like allison mack I can buy kind of as a high school kid I don't know if he's the oldest- tom wellington, tom wellington tom welling is like he. 00:20:06.561 --> 00:20:14.403 That man looks like he's in senior year of college yeah, no, he, he is, and lana can pass, I think too. 00:20:14.403 --> 00:20:27.480 And, honestly, pete I'm not sure if it's because he's also smaller and I think that he works for his, I think he, I can buy him being in high school more definitely than tom welling, and then you know. 00:20:27.500 --> 00:20:47.323 Then you've got lex, who, uh, I don't know, is supposed to be like six years older than them and creepily involved in their entire lives, because it's so funny, like when clark would walk into the mansion and look so much like like they're so close in age, yeah, and like they're about the same height and everything too. 00:20:47.323 --> 00:20:53.005 Like I think clark was a little bit taller, actually I think he's just a bit taller, so it's just so funny. 00:20:53.005 --> 00:20:58.525 But, like you know, that's just a little bit of the knocks, but it's not just smallville, that's just what it was. 00:20:58.525 --> 00:21:11.373 That was that time you had people that were well into their 20s playing high schoolers and a lot of movies and tv shows back then so actually, pete was the youngest of all of these guys. 00:21:11.393 --> 00:21:24.303 Yes, he was 18 years old in 2001 was in, uh, kristin, I think she was about that age too she and allison mack were 19 in 2001 so they were roughly around the same age. 00:21:24.363 --> 00:21:25.527 Tom welling was 24. 00:21:25.527 --> 00:21:37.508 I think michael rosenbaum was a little older than the rest of them dude michael rosenbaum, man like we'll get to lex oh man he's he's so good, but we'll get to it. 00:21:37.910 --> 00:21:52.343 I want to chime in really quick about the first couple episodes or just the first season in general, like as a whole, first seasons are hard, especially for long-running shows like this that are trying to get their feet, trying to find their audience. 00:21:52.343 --> 00:22:01.785 I think of some of the bigger shows in the science fiction realm and I think of star trek, the next generation. 00:22:01.785 --> 00:22:07.760 Everyone always says that the first season is really rough and it is. 00:22:07.760 --> 00:22:22.286 It's the hardest one to really get into because it's just clearly a writer's room of people with ideas like well, let's do an episode about this, let's do an episode about that, let's do an episode about this, and they don't really gel together. 00:22:22.286 --> 00:22:26.821 There's no real overarching story in season one of the next generation. 00:22:27.525 --> 00:22:46.160 After that point you start getting character arcs and you know multi-season dramas with the cast, and I feel the same thing is happening in this first season of smallville, where it takes a long time before we start getting multi-episode stories and multi-episode arcs for characters. 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:50.367 And that's not a bad thing, but it's. 00:22:50.367 --> 00:22:58.790 It definitely hurts it on a re-watch, I think, for me, just because I do miss the multi-series arcs. 00:22:58.790 --> 00:23:11.271 So like going back to the first season watching 10 episodes, and it's just 10 episodes of freak of the week and clark is trying to figure out, like you know, what whatever's going on with meteor rocks in that episode. 00:23:11.271 --> 00:23:17.814 It's fine, it's fine and it's fun, but it's, it doesn't have the draw. 00:23:17.814 --> 00:23:22.964 That, like the best of smallville has, is what I'm trying to, you know, get at. 00:23:22.964 --> 00:23:38.830 I think real Smallville doesn't start until the end of season one and like, really, you know, takes off in the beginning of season two and I think it takes a little bit of getting into, just to get into it, if that makes sense. 00:23:38.830 --> 00:23:48.227 And so if you've never seen Smallville and you start watching and you're four or five episodes in, you're just like wow, this is just villain of the week, a freak of the week, whatever. 00:23:48.227 --> 00:23:51.214 Just take your time, keep going. 00:23:51.214 --> 00:24:06.073 It does get better and it's worth putting the time into it because the show's genuinely very good and when we were growing up, anthony and I and rich you were you said you were 19 at the time there was nothing like it. 00:24:07.161 --> 00:24:11.511 There was no long-form superhero live-action content None. 00:24:11.511 --> 00:24:12.181 You know. 00:24:12.181 --> 00:24:15.259 There was a couple live-action movies here and there. 00:24:15.259 --> 00:24:18.527 You had the Blade movie Just before Smallville. 00:24:18.527 --> 00:24:21.373 You had X-Men, the first movie. 00:24:21.373 --> 00:24:24.372 Just shortly after the first season, you had Spider-Man the first movie. 00:24:24.372 --> 00:24:25.999 Just shortly after the first season, you had spider-man, the first movie. 00:24:25.999 --> 00:24:30.227 But long-form content did not exist for superhero media. 00:24:30.728 --> 00:24:44.530 So this was it, this was the canon that you had to subscribe to for, you know, extra superhero lore and content and just diving into a universe, you know like, besides comic books. 00:24:44.530 --> 00:24:51.592 This was it, and I think that it did a phenomenal job because it does get into pretty heavy lore. 00:24:51.592 --> 00:24:52.560 It just takes a while. 00:24:52.560 --> 00:24:54.711 Like anthony said, they didn't even call it kryptonite they. 00:24:54.711 --> 00:25:01.612 The word kryptonite does not appear in the first 21 episodes of the show and even past that, it's just not in the first season. 00:25:01.612 --> 00:25:07.003 It's just meteor rocks up until, you know, clark learns more about his own personal lore. 00:25:07.003 --> 00:25:08.205 We don't learn that yet. 00:25:09.067 --> 00:25:09.690 So I think it's. 00:25:09.690 --> 00:25:10.270 I think it's a. 00:25:10.270 --> 00:25:12.583 Really, you know, subjectively I think it's a. 00:25:12.583 --> 00:25:25.394 It's a fantastic time capsule and, to you know, a period where we weren't bombarded with superhero content left and right, and it's definitely worth picking up because there was nothing like it at the time. 00:25:25.394 --> 00:25:29.390 But yeah, there is still plenty to enjoy. 00:25:29.390 --> 00:25:35.191 Let's finally start talking about some of the characters and some of the inner workings of everybody. 00:25:35.191 --> 00:25:44.750 I'm going to throw it off to Rich because I know he has some extremely spicy takes for this extremely benign TV series. 00:25:44.750 --> 00:25:54.455 Anthony and I are going to be perhaps agreeing to some extent and perhaps disagreeing to a larger extent, but we'll start with rich, let's. 00:25:54.455 --> 00:25:58.405 Which characters do you like and which characters do you not like? 00:25:59.248 --> 00:26:03.565 all right, so I I like the kents I love the portrayal. 00:26:03.565 --> 00:26:04.548 I think the actors are good. 00:26:04.548 --> 00:26:09.007 I love Lionel Luthor, a man from Gremlins 2. 00:26:09.007 --> 00:26:13.842 I can't remember the actor's name, but he's from Gremlins 2 also. 00:26:13.842 --> 00:26:24.856 I did, by the way, I had to look it up because I was like that man is older than me and he has glorious hair the most luscious hair it is a wig. 00:26:25.038 --> 00:26:28.606 I looked it up no yeah it's a wig you're lying to me. 00:26:28.867 --> 00:26:32.961 No, I was I, you know I I had a feeling, but I liked him a lot. 00:26:32.961 --> 00:26:36.167 I, I think michael rosenbaum likes- is so it's. 00:26:36.328 --> 00:26:37.029 It's john glover. 00:26:37.029 --> 00:26:37.431 By the way. 00:26:37.431 --> 00:26:42.346 John glover is the actor for lionel luther, the father of lex luther. 00:26:42.988 --> 00:26:46.474 I think he's in a muppet, christmas carol too, but I can't remember for sure. 00:26:46.780 --> 00:26:50.751 But anyway, impossible I think mike rosamund does such a good job of. 00:26:50.751 --> 00:27:02.384 I like I feel like I was fooled in the first, like there, I remember that he's duplicitous throughout, whatever you know, and but it's like you, you start to see. 00:27:02.384 --> 00:27:04.347 I think the actor just does such a great job. 00:27:04.347 --> 00:27:12.285 The portrayal is great because the truth is we're Clark's, our analog right, like he's our in some ways. 00:27:12.285 --> 00:27:25.605 You kind of see the show through his eyes, right, and you're meant to kind of take his side most of the time, right, sometimes he acts like an annoying teenager with his dad and stuff like that, like why can't I play football? 00:27:25.605 --> 00:27:26.669 Come on, man. 00:27:26.669 --> 00:27:34.459 Like come on, you know, and that whole episode being about how, no, it's that you don't trust his judgment and that's why he's upset. 00:27:34.459 --> 00:27:38.351 And it's like the boy doesn't understand that he can literally kill someone. 00:27:38.351 --> 00:27:44.467 And in his first practice he like used Superman jumping abilities, like first practice on camera. 00:27:44.467 --> 00:27:50.451 Like I know it's not tiktok era, but my dude, like your dad, was like hey, don't do anything crazy. 00:27:50.550 --> 00:28:02.729 And he's like, by the way, second play of the game or practice, I'm gonna do something crazy so, but you know he's a teenager, so, like whatever, you know he's 14 can't you see that he's 14? 00:28:02.749 --> 00:28:04.633 I mean, I think that's another problem. 00:28:04.653 --> 00:28:08.587 Yeah, man, it's that teenage angst man we all wanted to do our own thing. 00:28:08.859 --> 00:28:11.910 See, that might be another one of the problems also. 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:13.724 With him looking older. 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:15.477 Yeah, because you know. 00:28:15.477 --> 00:28:15.720 Okay. 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:30.945 So my main villain, I think the villain of the story, some of you might say maybe one day and I'm not trying to do spoilers, I'm just gonna say the name doomsday, because it's part of superman. 00:28:30.945 --> 00:28:32.150 I can't remember anything about the show that far. 00:28:32.150 --> 00:28:32.351 All right. 00:28:32.351 --> 00:28:34.398 So no, the main villain is not doomsday, it's not bizarro, ladies and gentlemen. 00:28:34.398 --> 00:28:36.922 It's lana lang from episode one. 00:28:36.922 --> 00:28:40.026 She is the main antagonist. 00:28:40.026 --> 00:28:42.608 You're like wait, but lex hits him with a car. 00:28:42.608 --> 00:28:45.752 It has to be lex, you're wrong. 00:28:45.752 --> 00:28:47.714 You're wrong. 00:28:47.714 --> 00:28:52.546 She is in a committed relationship with let's. 00:28:52.546 --> 00:29:10.727 You know a bag of trash over here in whitney, who, as you guys, can't see this, but behind dakota, in his background, is tom welling, you know being hung out, uh, you know, crucified by whitney in a cornfield in a cornfield just for existing. 00:29:11.367 --> 00:29:38.503 And then he oddly leaves his girlfriend's very important, valuable necklace around the neck of this guy who he's just bullying to possible death, which is, you know, stand-up guy, and she keeps seeing him for who he is and not leaving him, but then consistently stringing clark along and this guy's like there's one episode where he's like you know, I'm just trying to leave the door open, mom and his mom's like, clark, the door is closed. 00:29:39.105 --> 00:29:42.472 Right, the door is she actually says those, she says those those words. 00:29:42.492 --> 00:29:45.729 Yeah, I mean so and it's just I don't. 00:29:45.729 --> 00:29:51.887 And then what she, just kind of like, drops out of school, decides to run the, the coffee shop which you know. 00:29:51.887 --> 00:29:53.811 She gets really lucky and lex opens up. 00:29:54.733 --> 00:30:00.159 She's just a I don't think she, I don't think she ever drops out of school I don't know, she stays in school. 00:30:00.159 --> 00:30:01.948 Yeah, she definitely doesn't stay in school. 00:30:01.948 --> 00:30:04.703 I don't know how a 14-year-old runs a coffee shop. 00:30:05.205 --> 00:30:11.413 She's managing the talent, she's managing the talent, but she is also in school. 00:30:11.575 --> 00:30:12.797 You just got to roll with it. 00:30:12.836 --> 00:30:17.537 Yeah, man, suspension of disbelief is needed with this show. 00:30:18.185 --> 00:30:28.426 What I do like is I love actually the Freak of the Week stuff is I love actually the freak of the week stuff. 00:30:28.426 --> 00:30:34.726 I could probably watch like 175 episodes of freak of the week and just see how long they could do it without having to like redo one, you know. 00:30:34.726 --> 00:30:37.515 But I mean I love the different ways that. 00:30:37.515 --> 00:30:53.080 I mean, man, that first season, like I'm in the bathroom and I heard like a rumbling because we have the pipe to the outside and when you turn it off the hose the air pressure is kind of built up so there's a slight rumble when it starts and my son put it on and I thought it was the bees. 00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:54.885 I thought it was the bees. 00:30:54.905 --> 00:31:08.391 I was like, oh man, it's those damn meteor queen bee, you know you know I love it man, I love the bugs and they attack him and the bug kid and then he gets better looking as he molts. 00:31:08.391 --> 00:31:09.172 I ate all that's like. 00:31:09.172 --> 00:31:13.986 I think I almost like that stuff better, at least in the first season. 00:31:13.986 --> 00:31:19.925 Like I think it is moving a little too slow with the lore so I kind of liked that stuff. 00:31:19.925 --> 00:31:42.891 I do have a little bit of kind of exhaustion already with him being possibly found out and I feel like already in the first season and two episodes or three episodes of season two I think they're like getting like they get entirely too close too many times to being had, I think for the first. 00:31:42.911 --> 00:31:45.086 I'm gonna give it over to you for the first season and a half. 00:31:45.126 --> 00:31:48.934 You know what I mean sure, okay, all right, so a lot was said. 00:31:48.934 --> 00:32:06.117 Sorry, let's, let's, let's keep on with what rich is saying currently about the fact that there is far too many instances where clark has potentially been had or is coming very close to Lex finding out the truth. 00:32:06.117 --> 00:32:12.220 How do you feel about, like, what Lex knows now versus you know? 00:32:12.220 --> 00:32:13.584 What are your, what are your thoughts? 00:32:13.584 --> 00:32:24.903 You know like there's a lot that goes on in the first season that could potentially out Clark right right now there's definitely a lot of like close calls and I guess that could you know. 00:32:24.923 --> 00:32:44.557 The argument for that would be like, you know, yeah, he's young, so you know, while he's decent at being secretive, you know there might be some instances, especially with him being the the kind, that kind of person that's always at like a crime scene, you know, like how is this guy doing all this stuff? 00:32:44.825 --> 00:32:45.406 every episode? 00:32:45.406 --> 00:32:58.569 I I have to, I have to, like, I have to think about this show like in a bubble, because did he just start high school and start, like you know, experiencing all of these weird things that happen on a weekly basis? 00:32:58.569 --> 00:33:01.240 Or did this happen in middle school too, like? 00:33:01.682 --> 00:33:02.866 yeah, they don't really explain it. 00:33:02.886 --> 00:33:03.310 They don't explain it. 00:33:03.310 --> 00:33:04.622 No, yeah, no, they don't really explain it they don't explain it. 00:33:04.662 --> 00:33:04.964 No, it's puberty. 00:33:04.964 --> 00:33:06.417 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 00:33:06.417 --> 00:33:07.003 It's puberty based. 00:33:07.003 --> 00:33:09.432 We don't get a young, we don't get a. 00:33:09.592 --> 00:33:10.836 Clark, it's puberty. 00:33:10.836 --> 00:33:14.816 It's like, you know, you skip from Jesus as being born to the action times. 00:33:14.816 --> 00:33:21.618 You know, like I think we're made to assume that he wasn't allowed to participate in sports. 00:33:21.618 --> 00:33:26.067 He, he wasn't allowed to participate in sports. 00:33:26.067 --> 00:33:26.470 He wasn't, you know. 00:33:26.470 --> 00:33:29.519 He had to be very limited, and I think also that he would have been way more obedient of his parents. 00:33:30.082 --> 00:33:34.252 So but here's the thing like the, the freak of the week oh, did that what? 00:33:34.252 --> 00:33:35.896 Did that just start happening when he's? 00:33:35.896 --> 00:33:36.885 When he entered high school? 00:33:36.885 --> 00:33:47.625 There was a wall of weird prior to him entering high school, which makes me wonder is chloe a freshman or is she a sophomore? 00:33:47.625 --> 00:33:48.989 I don't really know. 00:33:48.989 --> 00:33:56.215 I'm assuming they're the same yeah, school year, but then later on she gets an internship with the daily planet. 00:33:56.215 --> 00:34:01.288 So I'm a little bit confused, because you wouldn't normally get an internship after your freshman year of high school. 00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:17.528 It's wild Actually, you know what, with you being on on like you know the topic of Chloe, how does she have so much free reign, like just to go into that, into the the torch at any time, like this girl's there at like in the middle of the night working? 00:34:17.528 --> 00:34:22.088 What school allows a student just to show up at like a newspaper in the middle? 00:34:22.128 --> 00:34:23.211 of the night rich. 00:34:23.552 --> 00:34:24.434 You work at a school. 00:34:24.434 --> 00:34:28.579 Would you have students that are there in the middle of the night just doing whatever they wanted? 00:34:28.961 --> 00:34:42.876 I mean, almost every building closes at a certain point and even like in the days of lower security, when I first started teaching, you wouldn't have anything like that. 00:34:42.876 --> 00:34:45.601 I was part of newspaper staffs. 00:34:45.601 --> 00:34:59.574 I was the teacher in charge of newspapers and there was never a time where it was dark outside and we were working on the newspaper like right, and there was never a teacher they. 00:34:59.795 --> 00:35:01.318 Yeah, that's the other thing they could have. 00:35:01.318 --> 00:35:16.067 I don't know if it would have killed them that much to have, because they end up having to have the principal talk to the student directly, right, principal quong has to, like, talk directly to chloe and basically suspends her for not confirming her sources. 00:35:16.067 --> 00:35:22.347 The principal usually calls the teacher in charge of the program and and deals with it that way. 00:35:22.347 --> 00:35:24.574 I don't know why there wasn't that character. 00:35:24.574 --> 00:35:33.192 I and the character could have eventually, you know, maybe started picking up on clark, but could have been another because it's. 00:35:33.192 --> 00:35:36.563 It also is kind of crazy that nobody at school seems to. 00:35:36.563 --> 00:35:39.927 I mean, it's also very easy to get a job there, like desiree got a job. 00:35:40.248 --> 00:35:42.811 No, oh, that was season two, sorry. 00:35:42.891 --> 00:35:43.353 I'm sorry. 00:35:43.353 --> 00:35:49.681 I'm sorry, let's dial it back Come on, let's get on track, all right. 00:35:52.525 --> 00:35:53.547 So I want to talk a little bit about security. 00:35:53.547 --> 00:35:56.693 You mentioned, you know, in the low security days of high school. 00:35:56.693 --> 00:36:01.681 A majority of this season was filmed in a pre 9-11 world. 00:36:01.681 --> 00:36:13.195 This season was filmed in a pre-911 world and I think that's important because we do see a little bit of influence on a post-911 world by the end of this season. 00:36:13.195 --> 00:36:35.719 I don't know if you guys are cognizant of it at the time or if you've researched it after the point, but after 9-11 happened, there was a large push in media for like pro-army, pro-marine, you know, type stuff happening, and we actually do get a little bit of that at the end of this season. 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:41.996 Where whitney is, I think he signs up to be one of the marines and I think that that's uh, it's. 00:36:42.157 --> 00:36:49.293 It's a very timely thing because the that episode occurs in early 2000 or in the school year. 00:36:49.293 --> 00:36:52.061 It would be like just starting summer 2002. 00:36:52.061 --> 00:37:06.971 But it was filmed early 2002, so just months after 9-11 happened, and there was a big push both in media and in the news cycle to just, you know, join your local service of your choice and so be it. 00:37:06.971 --> 00:37:17.436 But I thought it was interesting because you don't see a lot of that happening in TV shows, where just a character will just join the army and that's how they leave the show for a period of time. 00:37:17.436 --> 00:37:29.112 I don't remember if Whitney comes back, I think he does for a little bit, but at the end of the season I was kind of surprised because that it is very much a time capsule. 00:37:29.112 --> 00:37:37.177 You know, like you mentioned in the last episode, anthony, this show is very much a time capsule of the early 2000s and I thought that was interesting. 00:37:37.177 --> 00:37:51.621 But going back to chloe being allowed into the building at odd hours of the day Again, this was a pre-9-11 show for much of the first season. 00:37:56.253 --> 00:37:59.405 I still don't think that would have been something that would have occurred Perhaps. 00:37:59.405 --> 00:38:09.224 Yeah, like a student being, you know, like even like I don't know, like I mean, we were in school in a pre, you know, not high school, but we still know we were in school pre 9-11. 00:38:09.224 --> 00:38:32.257 And you know, for the most part I'm pretty sure that, like you had to be, you had to have some sort of supervision and something especially, and even in a lot of the media that portrays like students in a school paper environment, there was always a teacher that was the editor and then they would read over the students' work. 00:38:32.257 --> 00:38:38.458 So, whether this being pre or post 9-11, I still think that it's still kind of weird. 00:38:38.458 --> 00:38:41.731 It's still, you know, like. 00:38:41.751 --> 00:38:43.416 I don't want to try to be poking holes. 00:38:43.416 --> 00:38:45.949 I love this show and for me it is what it is. 00:38:45.949 --> 00:38:47.773 You know, that's what gives the charm of the show. 00:38:47.773 --> 00:38:54.536 But you know, I was like watching it over I I was thinking like, yeah, this is kind of like this. 00:38:54.536 --> 00:38:58.773 She just gets to do whatever it's a little bizarre she's a staff like she's staff at the school. 00:38:59.353 --> 00:39:03.190 what's even weirder, you know sticking with the chloe side of things. 00:39:03.190 --> 00:39:05.496 Now, how does she get that job? 00:39:05.496 --> 00:39:08.034 Because I'm assuming she's a freshman? 00:39:08.034 --> 00:39:12.114 Everyone else in this show is a freshman, except for Whitney I thought about that too. 00:39:12.114 --> 00:39:15.193 I think Whitney's the only senior. 00:39:15.193 --> 00:39:18.773 Everyone else is Pete Clark Lana. 00:39:18.773 --> 00:39:19.956 Everyone's a freshman. 00:39:19.956 --> 00:39:24.096 How did Chloe become the editor of the school newspaper? 00:39:24.096 --> 00:39:30.778 Like usually, that's something that's passed down as you prove your worth over the course of your high school career. 00:39:33.367 --> 00:39:37.922 They gave it to her right away, I imagine she's just such an intrepid reporter in middle school. 00:39:37.943 --> 00:39:41.135 I know she just got so many recommendations. 00:39:41.405 --> 00:39:42.414 It was the accolades. 00:39:43.407 --> 00:39:44.585 It was the accolades that she received. 00:39:44.585 --> 00:39:46.590 All right, let's jump forward, let's. 00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:55.003 I think we got to address the, the elephant in the room which is, you know, the villain of the first season, the absolute arch nemesis which is lana lang. 00:39:55.003 --> 00:40:00.052 Anthony, do you believe that lana lang is the nemesis of the show? 00:40:00.614 --> 00:40:04.420 nah man dude, I I loved lana like she. 00:40:04.541 --> 00:40:15.547 She was my crush on that show well, yeah, you know, and that's she, she could, she could do no wrong, that's okay why I think, okay, that's what I wanted. 00:40:15.547 --> 00:40:18.052 I just wanted clark to get the girl man. 00:40:18.052 --> 00:40:22.048 I just she made me so angry I felt for clark I, I feel for him. 00:40:22.048 --> 00:40:34.492 You know, when he's like I'm leaving the door open, like while she's in a committed relationship with somebody else, like he refuses to date anybody, and then but I think that that makes clark better. 00:40:35.052 --> 00:40:46.838 I think that the back and forth with lana made clark a better character, because ultimately it wasn't a feel-good story throughout. 00:40:46.838 --> 00:40:48.168 He didn't get the girl. 00:40:48.168 --> 00:40:56.914 This season we spent a whole season of this character pining for this other character and he did not get the girl. 00:40:56.914 --> 00:41:08.536 And I think that that is part of the charm of the show in the sense that, like it's realistic, you're experiencing life as a teenager through the eyes of these characters. 00:41:08.536 --> 00:41:12.025 You know I I say realistic very fluidly. 00:41:12.025 --> 00:41:13.068 In this instance. 00:41:13.068 --> 00:41:35.318 I don't actually mean it's a realistic show, but the, the feeling that you get, you know, like not being able to achieve what you want to achieve, or being held back by your parents because of x, y and and Z, or not being able to accomplish this because something comes up in your life, is something very, very teenager, and I think that that is what is actually being showcased. 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:46.648 I think you know, specifically Lana and Clark, the fact that he's willing to show humility, even though he has every ability to potentially take the girl of his dreams as his own. 00:41:46.648 --> 00:41:49.295 He could, you know, stop being superman. 00:41:49.295 --> 00:41:51.869 He could stop being the one who saves everyone. 00:41:51.869 --> 00:41:54.014 He could be the one who shows up at every party. 00:41:54.014 --> 00:42:25.672 He could be the one who shows up to to every everything that lana or chloe or pete ever does, but he chooses not to, and I think that is what is the ultimate sacrifice of Superman is that he cannot be what he wants to be while also being the person that he needs to be, and I think that is why I don't think Lana is necessarily the bad person in this show, because I think Lana wants to believe that Clark can be a successor to Whitney, but he never proves her right. 00:42:25.672 --> 00:42:28.590 Ultimately, personally, that's the way I see it. 00:42:28.992 --> 00:42:39.487 Right, right, like she wants to trust him, but he's shown that there is some stuff that he's withholding from her and she's not. 00:42:39.487 --> 00:42:47.175 You know, and you know, I think that for a lot of people that would kind of be that would put you off of that. 00:42:47.175 --> 00:42:56.891 You know, you might still care about them but you might be like, you know, I don't know how close I want to get to this person if they don't really want to share. 00:42:56.891 --> 00:43:14.490 And you see that like and I know this is like you know later on, but like, the further you get into the show, like, like, you know, she shows her open-mindedness to whatever it is that clark, you know, is hiding and you know it's still apparent in this first season too. 00:43:14.490 --> 00:43:17.036 But you know, yeah, she has whitney in her life. 00:43:17.096 --> 00:43:23.213 So she's kind of torn, I feel like, because you know, obviously whitney is a senior. 00:43:23.213 --> 00:43:30.262 She's probably torn because you know she has, I guess, these feelings for Clark that start to develop. 00:43:30.262 --> 00:43:42.458 But then she is in a committed relationship, which she probably sees that you know that he's going to go off to, you know, at one point you know he was going to go to college to play football. 00:43:42.458 --> 00:43:44.012 Then he decides to become a Marine. 00:43:44.012 --> 00:43:45.960 So you know, at some point Whitney was going to leave to college to play football. 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:46.744 Then he decides to become a Marine. 00:43:46.744 --> 00:43:47.750 So at some point Whitney was going to leave, right? 00:43:47.750 --> 00:43:52.282 So that thought process was probably going on in the mind of this character too. 00:43:52.282 --> 00:43:57.161 To me I believe so, because of how torn she is. 00:43:58.271 --> 00:44:04.764 And even getting into the very first couple episodes of season two without spoiling anything. 00:44:04.764 --> 00:44:09.313 First couple episodes of season two without spoiling anything. 00:44:09.313 --> 00:44:13.742 You know, lana does see and mention that clark has way too many you know secrets that he's withholding. 00:44:13.742 --> 00:44:22.599 You know it's it's very obvious secrets that he's withholding from them to make a realistic relationship work. 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:32.782 And yeah, so I think that that's part of why Whitney just seems to be the better choice for her, I guess. 00:44:32.782 --> 00:44:36.893 But again, even there's an episode I feel like we could talk. 00:44:36.893 --> 00:44:41.019 Like Rich said, there's so many things that we could talk about, episode after episode. 00:44:41.050 --> 00:44:50.523 But there's the episode Nicodemus, where Lana becomes uninhibited by this plant that was resurrected after 100 or so years. 00:44:50.523 --> 00:44:52.929 Uh, it's the most ridiculous episode. 00:44:52.929 --> 00:44:55.074 But you know what, let's roll with it. 00:44:55.074 --> 00:44:57.239 She gets uninhibited. 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:05.923 She tells whitney I'm only with you because I feel guilty that by leaving you it would do you more harm than good. 00:45:05.923 --> 00:45:12.715 It proves to the audience that she's only with Whitney for a majority of the season because she feels guilty. 00:45:12.715 --> 00:45:18.300 And for a good majority of the season Whitney's father has been in the hospital on and off because of heart problems. 00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:30.224 So there's something emotional holding Lana back from fully giving in to her feelings for Clark or for divorcing her feelings from Whitney. 00:45:30.224 --> 00:45:31.856 So there's a lot going on. 00:45:31.856 --> 00:45:35.621 I don't think that Lana is the nemesis of the show. 00:45:35.621 --> 00:45:38.655 I don't think she's the archnemesis and she wasn't written that way. 00:45:38.655 --> 00:45:40.239 Let's be frank. 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.719 She was not written to be the archnemesis of the show. 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:48.494 Frank, she was not written to be the arch nemesis of the show. 00:45:48.514 --> 00:46:08.637 But I can see and understand rich's reticence to hate or to to like her based on the moral quality of her choices I don't know rich and I went to an old boys school so you know I didn't have a lot of drama during the day, just kind of went to class, didn't really have cell phones right, so it's just like you went to school and there wasn't any relationship drama during the day. 00:46:08.717 --> 00:46:13.137 I don't know that's fair maybe that's, maybe, maybe it's my own like I'm like what's going on at this school? 00:46:13.137 --> 00:46:16.635 Like jeez, just go to class so eventful. 00:46:16.635 --> 00:46:18.039 I don't know. 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:33.346 My days weren't as eventful at an old boys catholic high school back in the late 90s, so you know, one thing, thing I feel like I should bring up, but maybe shouldn't at the same time because it doesn't really pertain to the show itself. 00:46:33.346 --> 00:46:49.655 But you know, going back to this show, after one of the main actors was imprisoned for a number of years, it's a strange thing because my wife walked- into the room and went hey, look, it's the sex trafficker. 00:46:50.056 --> 00:46:52.204 Do you think she was sex trafficking back then? 00:46:52.686 --> 00:47:00.603 and that was no, obviously, as a 19 year old, I don't think she was in that position until I think it was after the the show. 00:47:00.603 --> 00:47:03.155 I'm hoping it was after the show that she got involved with. 00:47:03.315 --> 00:47:16.742 I think it was nexium or something and x yeah, it was some sort of cult it was some weird, weird cult and it really mars the character, even though it's a, I think. 00:47:16.742 --> 00:47:18.668 I think chloe's a fantastic character. 00:47:18.668 --> 00:47:29.119 Chloe sullivan was such a good character that they started putting her in dc comics like she was a character that they made up for the show, that they later putting her in dc comics, like she was a character that they made up for the show, that they later retroactively added her to comics. 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:33.320 But I think, since the whole situation, they've just like deleted the character. 00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:38.637 You know, like it's just, it's just not a character anymore and oh, I hit the mic it's not a character anymore in dc comics. 00:47:38.637 --> 00:47:39.641 I don't think it's. 00:47:39.902 --> 00:47:47.213 It's a real shame because there's there's a lot of moments in this, like where I'm like man, she's a really good actress. 00:47:47.213 --> 00:47:55.775 You know, like the ability to go from like smiling, faking it to all of your peers to like turning around and like just crying. 00:47:55.775 --> 00:48:01.454 That takes a lot of acting chops that I don't think a lot of these characters, these actors, have. 00:48:01.454 --> 00:48:07.693 Personally, I don't think lana could I don't at this point, I don't think had the chops for it. 00:48:07.693 --> 00:48:09.536 Yeah, it's, it's really. 00:48:09.536 --> 00:48:13.670 I found her performance really impressive and it's sad to see that. 00:48:13.990 --> 00:48:51.070 You know, it ended the way it ended you know what character, just like you know and and rich brought him up, but you know michael rosen as Lex Luthor, something that I really love that this show brought about, because I'm not too sure if it was prior to the show but like Clark and Lex having this friendship that develops and, honestly, to tell you the truth and I know that this happens later on but I think one of the most heartbreaking things to happen in this show is see the disintegration of that friendship. 00:48:51.070 --> 00:48:59.840 It is one of the hardest things to watch on screen because, like you're like, oh man, you guys were such good friends, but then I but you know where it's headed. 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:12.277 Like you know, you know, like that it cannot be so, but you want it to be so and it's such a good, like the push and pull and just like seeing it, like you know the birth of it in this first season. 00:49:13.018 --> 00:49:29.278 Yeah, there's something to be said about friends turned enemies, especially like as as good of friends as we see Clark and Lex turn out to be in this first season you mentioned you don't know if it started with Smallville, like if this was the first instance of that. 00:49:29.278 --> 00:49:30.422 It wasn't. 00:49:30.422 --> 00:49:32.592 This is something that's been happening for. 00:49:32.592 --> 00:49:41.514 I think it was first shown in the 60s in like a Superboy comic, their early friendship and how that weaved into them becoming arch nemeses. 00:49:41.514 --> 00:49:43.757 But I do agree. 00:49:43.757 --> 00:49:50.673 I think that it's a very tragic, almost Shakespearean dilemma that they share. 00:49:50.673 --> 00:50:01.914 They're fated to be against each other and you could see even from their first couple of interactions and throughout the whole season there's a barrier between the two that they can never break. 00:50:01.934 --> 00:50:08.735 There's a lie that Clark is telling Lex, right yeah there's a lie that clark is telling lex and there's a lie that lex is telling clark. 00:50:08.735 --> 00:50:13.472 They love each other as close as two people can be with that wall intact. 00:50:13.472 --> 00:50:21.632 But that wall is intact throughout the entire, the entirety of the show, and they both realize that they cannot break that wall. 00:50:21.632 --> 00:50:35.110 And for clark it's the I can't tell you know, this rich guy, that I have superpowers or that I'm from another world, because that will open the door to people finding out my secret and potentially ruining my family and all that blah, blah, blah. 00:50:35.110 --> 00:50:49.083 For Lex it's he cannot tell Clark that he's been researching all of this stuff, he's been researching the effects of the kryptonite and all that, because it proves that he's been researching Clark. 00:50:49.083 --> 00:50:51.190 And so it's a back and forth between these two characters. 00:50:51.190 --> 00:50:59.757 They clearly care for each other, but there's certain things that they cannot move past, and it's a really, really good dynamic. 00:50:59.757 --> 00:51:02.438 I think that they nailed it with this show. 00:51:02.811 --> 00:51:04.112 I think that they nailed it with this show. 00:51:04.112 --> 00:51:04.393 I like that. 00:51:04.393 --> 00:51:11.465 You said that it's Shakespearean, because whenever you get to Lex and Lionel, their interactions are so Shakespearean. 00:51:11.909 --> 00:51:13.273 The way they talk to each other. 00:51:13.293 --> 00:51:15.657 It's like something that you would read from Shakespeare. 00:51:15.657 --> 00:51:16.338 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:21.938 My goodness, maybe I should pair this with Macbeth next year. 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:22.701 Oh boy. 00:51:23.309 --> 00:51:24.152 Forget Revenge of the Sith, I'm going to go full Small. 00:51:24.152 --> 00:51:24.527 Forget start. 00:51:24.456 --> 00:51:42.878 Forget revenge of the sith, I'm gonna go full smallville revenge of the luther I guess I guess, with you know, bringing smallville into your revenge of the sith mcbeth parallels, you'd have to find an episode that really encapsulates that, because you can't, really, you can't show the whole show, you can't you can't. 00:51:43.259 --> 00:52:09.358 It's a lot, and that's that's the thing with long-form storytelling like this it has to be done I'll probably just show them the euthanasia, episode, because, oh my goodness, that one got quick I don't remember which one, that one that's the one where the mom is feeling she's, she wants to die and she asks her son to kill her and and he goes from reaper, the episode's called mom I don't want to kill you to like within the. 00:52:09.358 --> 00:52:14.474 You know, because the freak of the week especially has like that first two and a half where what is it? 00:52:14.474 --> 00:52:19.494 Minute and a half, usually a couple minutes before the, before the intro. 00:52:19.635 --> 00:52:24.963 You know, intro starts, yeah, and then, and it's like he walks in and he's like, hi, mom, you know she's coming a lot of pain, and he's like kill me. 00:52:24.963 --> 00:52:25.105 She's like no. 00:52:25.105 --> 00:52:26.963 And then, and it's like he walks in and he's like, hi, mom, you know she's coming a lot of pain, and he's like kill me. 00:52:26.963 --> 00:52:28.905 She's like no, and then she's like kill me. 00:52:28.905 --> 00:52:38.333 And he's like fine, like like within it's, it's like it just takes him 25 seconds to decide to kill his mom and then the best part is that she lives. 00:52:39.157 --> 00:52:43.068 Yeah, you know I think that's ultimately like how that is resolved. 00:52:43.128 --> 00:53:36.050 He finds out like oh, she didn't need to die anyway, I think we've come to the point of the you know the podcast where we have to discuss the freak of the week and how it happened, because I'm racking my brain, as you know, as someone who creates YouTube videos and like lore breakdowns and is trying to like make sense of this and that and whatever, and lore breakdowns and is trying to make sense of this and that and whatever, I have to ask what is it about these stones that are from another planet, that are conveniently amping up certain aspects or certain powers or certain skill sets of individuals based on their mood and or life experience, because it's completely reliant on what is emotionally happening, happening at the moment, or what is necessary for them to survive. 00:53:36.351 --> 00:54:12.460 So it's almost like a spiritual imparting from the stone to keep these individuals alive a little bit longer, and it's it's the most bizarre thing ever I would say that, like there's a physical element that like for for the most part, I would say from pretty much almost all of them, there's a, there's a physical element that makes sense, like you had the the bug boy, where he had bugs that were in you know, terrarium and soil that had meteor rocks and and obviously meteor rocks are, they're irradiated. 00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:18.039 You know they emit some sort of radiation that you know causes something. 00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:31.050 It's very much so apparent that it's it's irradiated, because when clark gets near like he could, he can even like touch it without it, without like you see his veins just kind of like this like poison. 00:54:31.050 --> 00:54:32.920 It's like radiation poisoning. 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:34.489 That's that's happening. 00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:37.664 So there, I think that they're pretty good. 00:54:37.664 --> 00:54:46.394 Um, you know the girl that becomes like a fat sucking vampire you know she she. 00:54:46.876 --> 00:54:48.960 Um, I'm just so crazy. 00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.831 She, she, uh, you know she's drinking the. 00:54:51.831 --> 00:55:10.697 You know the, the healthy foods that were grown in meteor, rock soil, kryptonite soil but there's a physical act right, but even even that like requires a mental desire, and she's desiring to be thin. 00:55:10.697 --> 00:55:11.940 Right right. 00:55:12.190 --> 00:55:15.900 That amplifies thinness, for some reason. 00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:28.452 And that's what I'm trying to say, like there's almost a consciousness to what it's almost like a genie granting you a wish, what it's almost like a genie granting you a wish, but it's, it's the. 00:55:28.452 --> 00:55:31.920 The wish that the genie is granting you is always like well, be careful, what you wish for, and that's that's. 00:55:32.181 --> 00:55:43.960 that's what it seems to be for most of the cases of these people well, I don't know, you have the guy that fell into the lake that you know he didn't, you know he didn't have a desire to be colder. 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.864 He came out of the lake. 00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:56.442 He desired to be warmer, and he's now able to suck Well I mean he was in the cold water, that was radiated by the meteor rock. 00:56:01.398 --> 00:56:03.923 So obviously that altered his body chemistry. 00:56:03.923 --> 00:56:07.452 I mean how he was able to, like you know, suck the warmth. 00:56:07.452 --> 00:56:12.601 I mean, you know, I I don't, I don't know how that was, but I feel like. 00:56:12.601 --> 00:56:27.804 I feel like the physical element is the primary and any emotional is like secondary, and it just kind of like I guess they use the emotional aspect of it to make sense motive-wise. 00:56:27.804 --> 00:56:40.402 You have the coach that I mean he was a hothead, he was angry, but then he was also in a sauna with meteor rocks. 00:56:40.954 --> 00:56:45.599 That's a hot environment, so I would say each environment, I would say the. 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:56.181 The catalyst was the environment that they were in, but then the emotion just was like the motive or whatever it was that allowed them to do what they did. 00:56:56.382 --> 00:56:57.465 You know hold on, hold on. 00:56:57.465 --> 00:56:58.809 We're breaking ground here. 00:56:58.809 --> 00:57:11.862 Actually, anthony, you actually have struck on a chord that I really like, because I was struggling with this mentally for a long time, determining is this just the kryptonite keeping people alive? 00:57:11.862 --> 00:57:16.079 Is this just giving this kryptonite, giving people what they want? 00:57:16.079 --> 00:58:03.557 And I, you, you actually make the connection that it's a bit of both, you know it's it's not only what they want, what they desire or what they need, but it's where they are physically in that moment plus the emotions of what they need, and I think that that's that's fascinating, because I don't think there's anything quite like the freak of the week transformations and any other like major sci-fi or anything kryptonite as, as per smallville standards, is kind of like the radioactive chemicals that you would see in like any other comic book, but they give them meaning with these individuals who experience and are amplified by them in different unique scenarios. 00:58:03.557 --> 00:58:05.822 So that's fascinating. 00:58:05.869 --> 00:58:10.117 That's a really good catch, anthony, and I was actually planning on like going in on how. 00:58:10.117 --> 00:58:24.090 Like it doesn't make any sense from either a physical or a spiritual or a mental or emotional standpoint, but when you mix multiple of those things together it actually does form a more cohesive bond. 00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:29.753 But it's also like, how does the kryptonite know to amplify certain things? 00:58:29.753 --> 00:58:31.336 You know, like what exact is it? 00:58:31.336 --> 00:58:38.599 Is it like a conscious, like almost nanobyte sort of thing where, like I want to do what this person wants? 00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:44.355 Is it, you know, a a more like soulful thing? 00:58:44.355 --> 00:58:50.757 Where, like, it's like a spiritual existence, where the you know it wants to amplify the soul of the person? 00:58:50.757 --> 00:59:02.916 I don't know, there's so many questions with the kryptonite and I'm I'm definitely looking and trying to find too much rationale in this early 2000s tv show than I can actually physically find. 00:59:03.538 --> 00:59:12.489 But it is fascinating because it's the crux of the show for a good portion of time, and I just have to mention lex is paying people to study kryptonite. 00:59:12.489 --> 00:59:14.655 He's just like we can't find anything. 00:59:14.655 --> 00:59:29.159 But, like you know, we know that there's something in this meteor rock doctor, whatever your hawthorne or nathaniel, whatever your name is, you know, study all this in your, your shack and find me some results, and then you know they come up with the Nicodemus flower or whatever. 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:35.230 But, like, all he has to do is go to Smallville High for a week and, just you know, see what happens. 00:59:35.230 --> 00:59:41.996 Because there's a crazy event that happens every single week in Smallville High and it always has to do with Meteor Rocks. 00:59:42.739 --> 00:59:47.615 Anthonyony, actually, the the poster behind your head right now, it's the welcome sign to smallville. 00:59:47.615 --> 01:00:05.257 We're in zoom right now and I'm looking at the the smallville kansas population of 45,001 and I keep thinking to myself boy, that number has to be a little bit lower now, because there's at least one or two people that die in every single episode I mean it's, there's no way. 01:00:05.298 --> 01:00:08.032 It's like how well then you have people moving in too. 01:00:08.032 --> 01:00:08.875 How? 01:00:08.914 --> 01:00:13.952 is lex, not seeing it in the papers, right like all the stuff that's happening. 01:00:14.273 --> 01:00:15.295 He doesn't read the inquisitor. 01:00:15.335 --> 01:00:19.193 He's a daily planet kind of reader let me, uh, let me ask you guys a question. 01:00:19.193 --> 01:00:31.682 So desiree righte, his brief marriage In season two, were you thrown off by the fact that her pheromones were pink? 01:00:31.682 --> 01:00:33.255 I thought about that. 01:00:33.255 --> 01:00:36.956 I don't know why, but I'm just like okay. 01:00:36.956 --> 01:00:43.184 So I normally don't see women emit any kind of visible pheromones. 01:00:43.184 --> 01:00:47.621 So if it's meteor rock induced, then it would be green. 01:00:48.371 --> 01:00:56.536 It's the I know it's such a small thing, it's such a unless there are other types of meteor rock that she was infused with. 01:00:56.536 --> 01:01:04.114 That we don't see at this point in the show or at all in smallville, and we know that there is other types of media Rock. 01:01:05.277 --> 01:01:06.900 But she was originally from Smallville. 01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:11.197 We do know that, like we could figure, it's probably green. 01:01:11.197 --> 01:01:11.739 I don't know. 01:01:12.369 --> 01:01:15.039 But yeah, before we stray too far into. 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.599 Season 2, we'll definitely get back to that at some point. 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.356 We're visiting Season 2. 01:01:20.356 --> 01:01:22.615 We don't want to go to Season 2. 01:01:22.775 --> 01:01:26.097 I'm sorry, guys, Listen when I start binge watching, you guys know what happens. 01:01:26.097 --> 01:01:26.519 I can't. 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:27.675 No, you're good. 01:01:28.150 --> 01:01:28.771 In Smallville. 01:01:28.771 --> 01:01:37.980 We do see other forms of meteor rock, other forms of kryptonite outside of green and even some that are outside of red as well. 01:01:37.980 --> 01:01:42.041 I think we get into black kryptonite and stuff like that later in other seasons. 01:01:42.041 --> 01:01:48.641 In the comics there is also pink Kryptonite, so in my head that scene is Got you. 01:01:48.641 --> 01:01:50.710 Love it, okay, thank you. 01:01:50.710 --> 01:01:57.579 She found her was trapped in some amorous form of Kryptonite. 01:01:57.579 --> 01:01:57.900 I like it. 01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:58.681 And that's what happened. 01:01:58.681 --> 01:01:59.663 I like it, okay. 01:01:59.663 --> 01:02:00.222 I accept it. 01:02:00.222 --> 01:02:01.425 Back to season one, sorry. 01:02:01.485 --> 01:02:01.985 No, you're good. 01:02:01.985 --> 01:02:17.204 I do want to say something that I really do, like that this show does and and you know it happens in the first season is that you know clark, he doesn't have all of his powers. 01:02:17.204 --> 01:02:23.458 You know we get a little bit of a tease with the flight and in this first season it happens throughout the series too. 01:02:23.458 --> 01:02:25.382 But you know we get that. 01:02:25.382 --> 01:02:33.465 But in this first season he discovered or he happens with, I guess, the growth of his body X-ray vision. 01:02:33.465 --> 01:02:38.273 You know this is where he gets his X-ray vision and it happens to. 01:02:38.273 --> 01:02:44.583 It coincides with a freak of the week, tina Greer, who can, who can morph into anybody. 01:02:44.583 --> 01:02:48.315 A freak of the week, tina greer, who can, who can morph into anybody. 01:02:48.315 --> 01:02:48.996 I, I thought that was like. 01:02:48.996 --> 01:02:59.809 I liked the introduction of her where, like lex just goes into a bank and robs it, but it's like, not lex so ridiculous and like that would be proof that would you know, cripple any politician today. 01:03:00.010 --> 01:03:01.353 Like there's no getting around that. 01:03:01.353 --> 01:03:02.014 Like there's there's no. 01:03:02.014 --> 01:03:03.577 Like what do you mean? 01:03:03.577 --> 01:03:07.777 Someone else did that that was you, you're on camera, but no, lex gets away with it. 01:03:09.471 --> 01:03:16.184 I like how the bank manager like obviously like knew that that was Lex, but still like wanted his signature. 01:03:16.184 --> 01:03:29.773 Like he's like oh, hey, mr Luther, but like wanted his signature, like physically you could see that that was Lex Luthor like physically, you could see that that was lex luther. 01:03:29.793 --> 01:03:30.315 Yeah, yeah, really the x-ray. 01:03:30.315 --> 01:03:31.701 The only part of the x-ray that bothered me was when he does. 01:03:31.701 --> 01:03:38.567 He eventually does a magic trick for lana and he just like has her pick a card and then doesn't take any other steps other than just x-raying. 01:03:38.567 --> 01:03:42.675 Right, and I didn't know that x-rays could work this way. 01:03:42.675 --> 01:03:50.106 But he can x-ray through the card but see what's printed on the other side. 01:03:50.106 --> 01:03:51.152 I don't know how. 01:03:51.152 --> 01:03:53.621 It's very, it's very specific. 01:03:53.891 --> 01:03:54.715 That's more like an. 01:03:54.735 --> 01:03:55.097 MRI. 01:03:55.097 --> 01:03:57.969 I feel like than it is an x-ray, but sorry. 01:03:58.070 --> 01:04:10.182 I like that they show that it's different levels of like x-ray, where he could actually like see through, yeah, solid objects, but then he can actually see as if it's like an x-ray like through to the bones. 01:04:10.182 --> 01:04:13.552 He can like x-ray to like the muscle tissue and stuff. 01:04:13.552 --> 01:04:16.137 It's it's so insane, like the nerves. 01:04:16.137 --> 01:04:16.699 I. 01:04:16.798 --> 01:04:33.894 I really love that they like kind of explored his you know his abilities like to like a smaller, like detail yeah, there's that scene where he looks at pete and he sees through him, but he only sees like the cardiovascular system, the nerves and like the muscles. 01:04:33.894 --> 01:04:38.152 He doesn't see any of the bones, and I think that that's such a fascinating like. 01:04:38.273 --> 01:04:42.302 Yeah yeah, I agree level and there's layers to his x-ray vision. 01:04:42.302 --> 01:04:43.998 It's not strictly, you know, like just an x-ray. 01:04:43.998 --> 01:04:44.822 You know they call it x-ray vision. 01:04:44.822 --> 01:04:45.909 It's not strictly, you know, like just an X-ray. 01:04:45.909 --> 01:04:50.719 You know they call it X-ray because that's what we have in our nomenclature. 01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:54.090 But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean essentially that's what it is Like. 01:04:54.090 --> 01:04:58.317 I mean he's able to like see through things and I really love that. 01:04:58.317 --> 01:05:06.690 Whenever he comes across a new power and you see it here, his parents, jonathan kent, they're like you know, let's figure this out. 01:05:06.690 --> 01:05:17.530 Like you know, let's work on it, and like he has so much like support on on, like how to figure out and use these abilities, he has such a really good support system let's talk about the kents. 01:05:17.831 --> 01:05:34.172 They're the best, it's probably the best depiction of the kents bar none you know, like if we're, if we're being honest about like all of the superhero media or superman media that we've ever had, I think the kents in this are just bar none. 01:05:34.172 --> 01:05:45.099 Perfect in terms of just like being there for clark, being the people that they need to be in the show, just pleasant to look at, pleasant seeming people. 01:05:45.099 --> 01:05:53.994 And I'm so happy re-watching the show, being a little older too while re-watching it, because I get to appreciate their performances a little bit more. 01:05:53.994 --> 01:05:59.572 I think, as a kid watching this show, you just see them as older people who want the best for the character. 01:05:59.572 --> 01:06:09.625 But as an adult, looking at these characters, you see that they're doing everything in their power to keep their kids safe, especially While also. 01:06:09.965 --> 01:06:10.326 Yeah, go ahead. 01:06:10.326 --> 01:06:18.742 Especially Martha, right, she's trying to help Clark because she did the same thing to Clark when she was a kid. 01:06:18.742 --> 01:06:26.282 Because the actress who plays Clark's mom actually played Lana Lang lang in the uh superman. 01:06:26.282 --> 01:06:35.956 I was like, I think, in superman yeah, she played and I'm like, just that to me was like I just love the casting and also I gotta give a shout out to dukes of hazard over there. 01:06:36.476 --> 01:06:47.764 Paw kent, he uh, just uh yes, yeah I, I like as an older human and I do like it's so great to cast somebody who was in the Superman movie Like what. 01:06:47.764 --> 01:06:50.418 I wonder how much money they had to be. 01:06:50.418 --> 01:06:57.293 Like listen, lady, we really need you to be in this, like maybe a lot, maybe not, maybe not all that much. 01:06:57.474 --> 01:07:02.472 I mean, she wasn't an actress, but was she still acting at that point? 01:07:02.472 --> 01:07:03.492 I don't know Like which? 01:07:03.492 --> 01:07:05.375 Was she really busy? 01:07:05.375 --> 01:07:05.914 I don't know. 01:07:06.376 --> 01:07:06.896 They were great. 01:07:07.556 --> 01:07:12.019 I don't know if her career ever really picked up after that. 01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:13.581 So I don't know. 01:07:13.581 --> 01:07:17.965 Yeah, I don't know if they really had to pull her leg or whatever. 01:07:17.965 --> 01:07:19.746 Pull her arm, I do. 01:07:19.746 --> 01:07:30.052 It's funny, man, like it's weird seeing jonathan and martha kent and just appreciating them in new lights. 01:07:30.052 --> 01:07:31.514 You know, like it's. 01:07:31.514 --> 01:07:36.835 It's also weird being an adult and being like wait a minute, clark's mom is kind of pretty. 01:07:36.835 --> 01:07:41.384 You know, like when I was a kid I was just like she's just an old lady. 01:07:43.153 --> 01:07:46.402 It's funny age is weird, but I thought they were great. 01:07:46.402 --> 01:07:49.795 I mean in and I that you know the season ends pretty well. 01:07:49.795 --> 01:07:51.460 It's very bingeable also. 01:07:51.480 --> 01:08:09.876 Yeah it really I found myself I think we talked about taping, you know watching it last week and I want to say, like I, we got off and I started, you know, right away and I think by the end of the next day I had been through like seven or eight episodes, like it was really not healthy. 01:08:09.876 --> 01:08:12.920 But it's summer and it's great, but it's really bingeable. 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:26.655 It also makes some of the cliffhangers a little bit more palatable and I do like that they stop doing like the Lex breaking into the bank thing, you know, like there are some things that happen that you're like this can't be right. 01:08:26.655 --> 01:08:28.237 They can't do this every episode. 01:08:28.237 --> 01:08:42.121 Sometimes they raise the stakes like so high right, like the fact that it's 10 seasons, like that hurricane man did I mean not hurricane, I'm sorry tornado right, like that did some crazy right, like damage. 01:08:42.121 --> 01:08:52.961 And it's also a product of the times because like everyone's phone would be beeping right, like I would just have that emergency yeah, we're kind of getting towards the end. 01:08:53.121 --> 01:08:59.756 One person that that we we've kind of talked about but like not talked too much about is pete. 01:08:59.756 --> 01:09:04.283 You know, like we, we that's that's uh clark's like you know, one of his like closest friends. 01:09:04.283 --> 01:09:05.631 That's like's Clark's, like you know, one of his closest friends. 01:09:05.631 --> 01:09:17.666 That's like his, it's his best friend, somebody that he can really like confide in, who also, like he doesn't tell about his powers until like later on in a different season. 01:09:17.789 --> 01:09:34.509 But, yeah, he's also somebody that he's withheld you know this huge secret from, especially throughout this like first season I really like pete just as a character and I I do see why the actor left the show later on. 01:09:34.509 --> 01:09:45.362 I don't think he makes it past season two or three or whatever, but I wish he had more to do and I think that they make some strides at like fixing that in season two. 01:09:45.362 --> 01:09:48.390 But I do appreciate that. 01:09:48.390 --> 01:10:00.173 This is a childhood friend of clark's but there's a weird thing that happens where he becomes very, perhaps unhealthily, close to lex luther in this first season. 01:10:00.173 --> 01:10:04.162 As a freshman in high school he's good friends with a 24-year-old adult. 01:10:04.162 --> 01:10:05.164 It's kind of weird. 01:10:05.164 --> 01:10:16.519 It's not the weirdest thing that's ever happened, but it's up there in the weird scale of Smallville, probably just under Freak of the Week, weird, but anyway. 01:10:16.698 --> 01:10:27.783 There's a point in the season where Clark actually says that Lex is his best friend and previously he always said that Pete was his best friend and my wife actually was like what about Pete? 01:10:27.783 --> 01:10:48.810 And it's true, pete just gets kind of pushed aside for a good portion of this show and there's a couple episodes where Pete gets to shine a little bit, but it's always Pete being the person that really either gets himself into trouble or needs to be saved. 01:10:48.810 --> 01:11:03.583 That's kind of a shame to me because I think Lana gets a lot more character development, chloe gets a lot more character development, even Whitney gets a lot more character development than Pete does, so I think that that's not fair. 01:11:04.375 --> 01:11:08.086 Yeah, I mean I guess we didn't talk about him a lot because of that right. 01:11:08.086 --> 01:11:15.742 Everybody else seems to have a lot more to their character, and then I mean he does. 01:11:15.742 --> 01:11:26.369 There is a point where you almost feel like you know the reason that they're not hanging out as much, or the reason that he is calling Lex's best friend is that Pete's a little sick of his garbage. 01:11:27.078 --> 01:11:30.079 You know, know, like there is like one scene there I can't. 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:31.484 They're in the hallway or something. 01:11:31.484 --> 01:11:33.016 He's just like yeah, well, you know you can't. 01:11:33.016 --> 01:11:33.738 That's just clark. 01:11:33.738 --> 01:11:35.283 You can't rely on him. 01:11:35.283 --> 01:11:36.766 Not those words. 01:11:36.766 --> 01:11:37.488 But something. 01:11:38.190 --> 01:11:52.327 He says something along those lines yeah, and it's, it's true, because clark, while being a good person, while being there for his friends when they absolutely need him, he isn't really there when they want him to be and he's not there when, when he wants to be, you know. 01:11:52.426 --> 01:12:01.965 And so in that respect he's not a good friend visually, like he from an outsider's point of view looking into their friendship this guy's not a good friend. 01:12:01.965 --> 01:12:23.511 He's never there for you, except when he actually is there for you and you just don't see it, you, you know, it's one of those weird Clarkisms where I think another thing we got to talk about is the music choice, because so much of the choices in like songs that they gave the show helped flesh out the emotional state of the characters or like the loneliness that Clark was feeling. 01:12:23.511 --> 01:12:37.462 I think the first episodes starts with a song by Lifehouse and they reintroduce that song at the end of the season and it's about basically going the distance but being alone at the same time. 01:12:37.462 --> 01:12:44.987 And it's a really poignant thing for Clark in this time period where he can't get what he wants because he's an awkward teenager and all that. 01:12:45.154 --> 01:12:49.337 But yeah, it's interesting yeah, man, and the music. 01:12:49.337 --> 01:12:55.396 Like when you listen to the music you're like, ah yes, the 2000s yeah, oh man, I love it, I love it. 01:12:55.438 --> 01:12:55.759 I do. 01:12:55.759 --> 01:13:02.300 My dad always called it cw music, because it was the music that you'd only hear on like cw and like. 01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:05.007 But anyway, it's, it's, it's. 01:13:05.007 --> 01:13:07.895 It works for something like this what are you talking about, man? 01:13:08.115 --> 01:13:24.623 I definitely listened to papa roach outside of smallville okay, okay, all right, all right, all right it wasn't my last resort man, all right, I listened to it first look man, I definitely heard dido a lot at publics okay oh, what else do they have? 01:13:24.623 --> 01:13:26.327 Oh God, sum 41. 01:13:26.327 --> 01:13:27.269 I heard on one episode. 01:13:27.269 --> 01:13:29.944 I was like yes, they had Sum 41. 01:13:30.154 --> 01:13:32.422 At one point there was All-American Rejects. 01:13:32.422 --> 01:13:37.559 They had some solid tunes in that show Massive attack. 01:13:37.618 --> 01:13:41.402 I heard in the background of a scene yeah, no, they got some stuff in there, guys. 01:13:41.402 --> 01:13:44.055 Final thoughts season one Love it, hate it. 01:13:44.055 --> 01:13:44.655 Let's start with Rich. 01:13:44.655 --> 01:13:48.340 I Thoughts season one Love it, hate it, let's start with Rich, I'm going to watch the entire damn series. 01:13:48.740 --> 01:13:51.122 I tend to dislike characters. 01:13:51.122 --> 01:14:03.659 I think this is a good thing, right, like I do the same thing with Greek Gatsby kind of I'd have to pretend every year that I don't hate the characters and then, once I start analyzing their motives and stuff, I don't like them. 01:14:03.659 --> 01:14:08.009 That aside, the villain of Lana Lang, aside the Thanos of this universe, I would heartily recommend it. 01:14:08.009 --> 01:14:11.506 If you like comic book stuff, this is a great show. 01:14:11.506 --> 01:14:21.109 If you have a significant other who's not really into comic book stuff because of the kind of teenage angst drama, this reels in two audiences. 01:14:21.109 --> 01:14:23.841 I think this is a perfect couple show, sure. 01:14:24.282 --> 01:14:30.275 Okay, and I can attest to that because my wife has, like I mentioned earlier in the show. 01:14:30.275 --> 01:14:40.440 She has not watched the show previously, but you know she's into those early 2000s just teen drama shows gilmore girls, the oc stuff like that. 01:14:40.440 --> 01:15:10.463 So this hits that niche where you have the teenage drama, you have the that early 2000s writing style that you don't really get, plus the episode count and the expected amount of episodes per seasons that you would normally get in early 2000s shows and like cable tv shows that you don't really get these days, plus the fact that it's a superhero drama, like you said, rich, it brings in two worlds and my wife loves it, dude. 01:15:10.463 --> 01:15:16.786 She's like she wants me to finish this so that I can go back and watch another episode downstairs. 01:15:16.786 --> 01:15:26.465 She wants me actually to tell you both that she was debating coming onto the podcast just to complain about one of the freaks of the week. 01:15:33.215 --> 01:15:33.576 Specifically Dude. 01:15:33.576 --> 01:15:34.317 We've been waiting, waiting. 01:15:34.337 --> 01:15:34.957 We've asked her a million times. 01:15:34.957 --> 01:15:36.060 Look, it's the summertime, where is she? 01:15:36.060 --> 01:15:37.121 I, I know, I know, I know. 01:15:37.121 --> 01:15:50.810 So she wanted to complain like the worst villain of all was the guy who, like, fell into the cold leg, the murderer, and the murderer who you know per her. 01:15:51.176 --> 01:15:57.956 She says that why did he just like come back to life and started depriving the town of all its baddies? 01:15:57.956 --> 01:16:09.288 I mean, and and she's like all he did was like go back to school and start targeting the hottest people and she was depriving a whole school of their ecosystem. 01:16:09.288 --> 01:16:10.493 Oh wait, wait, wait. 01:16:11.076 --> 01:16:11.817 The frozen guy. 01:16:11.817 --> 01:16:13.158 Right, you mean the frozen guy? 01:16:13.158 --> 01:16:16.404 Yes, oh yes, sorry, there was two people who fell. 01:16:16.444 --> 01:16:17.185 I'm like yes. 01:16:17.606 --> 01:16:19.229 No, yeah, no the cold. 01:16:20.036 --> 01:16:20.960 It was the episode Cold. 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.180 Yes, that was rather ridiculous. 01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:35.462 I, I just I do love the idea that, like if he had been like somebody who wasn't as cool and it wasn't single, like he wouldn't have been able to get anybody right, but he had his little black book of numbers so he was good, you know. 01:16:35.462 --> 01:16:37.688 And I love how he forgot about chloe's. 01:16:37.688 --> 01:16:55.501 But then looks at his hand and despite the fact that this man has gone some sort of chemical change, like on a genetic, on a cellular level, right, his body absorbs heat in a completely different fashion than it ever did before, but the number is still on his hands. 01:16:56.461 --> 01:17:04.817 I was actually like the moment he fell into the lake after she put the numbers on his hand, I was like, oh man, he probably lost those numbers because you know water. 01:17:04.817 --> 01:17:07.203 But nope, no, he's good. 01:17:07.203 --> 01:17:09.297 He's good, anthony, let's, let's bring it over to you. 01:17:09.297 --> 01:17:10.402 What are your thoughts on the first season? 01:17:11.324 --> 01:17:13.216 man, you know the first season. 01:17:13.216 --> 01:17:34.045 It is a nostalgic, you know ride man, I remember binge watching that first season with you at my grandma's house, man, and remember I had gotten season, my dad had gotten it for me, the box I actually had I have up to season five, I think, like I own on DVD. 01:17:34.045 --> 01:17:39.400 And yeah, man, I dude, I remember those days and so like watching that kind of brought me back. 01:17:39.400 --> 01:17:44.457 It's really like such a nostalgic trip, just watching that show. 01:17:44.457 --> 01:17:59.831 You know the time time, you know we were kids at the time and you know it was just like one of those things that we could always talk about every week whenever a new episode came out yeah, I'm excited to dive even further into this show. 01:18:00.051 --> 01:18:23.960 Like I said, I'm a couple episodes into season two at this point and even just those couple episodes, you can just tell there's a quality increase in the writers room and there's something about like they've figured out their formula and they're just like, okay, this is what we're gonna do, and I'm excited to get back into that because this show gets so good. 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:38.719 It really and it already was good in the first season it's just kind of you have to suspend a lot of disbelief because of the amount of people, specifically teenagers, angsty teenagers, who are transformed by some media rock hey guys, hey guys. 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:44.920 So he's an old guy, so he used to kill people when he was younger, when he was, you know, it was back in the 50s. 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:52.355 So how does it? 01:18:52.355 --> 01:18:53.198 How do people in the 50s kill people? 01:18:53.198 --> 01:18:54.442 It's got to be a garrot, right, it's got to be a garrot like. 01:18:54.462 --> 01:18:56.467 I love that he just carries around a garrot like like an old-timey mafia villain. 01:18:56.467 --> 01:18:58.192 No, no, no, no, those are piano strings. 01:18:58.192 --> 01:18:58.954 Come on now. 01:18:59.454 --> 01:19:05.203 I would say actually I think that transformation was definitely a desire. 01:19:05.203 --> 01:19:09.208 That one was one, that was one of the ones that was a desire. 01:19:09.208 --> 01:19:17.769 And then the catalyst I guess that made it happen was him being electrocuted in water that had meteor rocks. 01:19:17.769 --> 01:19:22.225 But the physicality of that doesn't make sense as far as him getting younger. 01:19:22.225 --> 01:19:27.992 The other ones you can explain, because dude fell into a cold lake, dude was in a hot sauna. 01:19:27.992 --> 01:19:34.737 The other one was attacked by bugs that were irradiated by you know like that stuff made sense, but I don't know. 01:19:34.737 --> 01:19:40.286 I guess electricity, water and meteor rocks equal younger self. 01:19:41.047 --> 01:20:05.421 I one of these days, guys one of these days I am going to go through this show and I'm going to compile a list of all of the cases of people getting some sort of kryptonite poisoning or boons that they receive power-wise, and I'm going to figure out, I'm going to boil down exactly what it is that's happening to these individuals, because there's got to be something. 01:20:05.421 --> 01:20:07.724 It's like some magic system that I haven't cracked yet. 01:20:07.724 --> 01:20:09.139 Anthony, you came pretty close. 01:20:09.139 --> 01:20:10.444 We're going to figure it out. 01:20:10.444 --> 01:20:16.685 Guys, thank you so much for listening to us here for our 129th episode of Project Geekology. 01:20:17.435 --> 01:20:27.579 129 episodes is a far cry from the over 200 episodes of Smallville, 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