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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode
130 of Project Geekology.

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And here we are in.

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You know, just a nice pristine.

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You know year of 2003,.

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You know nothing to worry about
, actually, psych.

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It is 2023 and we got zombies
or we got clickers outside.

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We have nothing but the world
to worry about.

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Nothing but the world to worry
about.

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I am one third of your host.

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Actually, there's only two of
us today, so I am one half of

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your host Anthony and joining me
today is Rich.

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Speaker 2: We salute our fallen
comrade, Not really.

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He's just away on special
business doing extra special

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timeline research that I'm sure
he'll regale us with on his way

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back next week.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and you
know I realized that I forgot to

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say what we're covering today,
but Rich and I are going to be

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covering the Last of Us.

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We're going to really just
stick with the first game in the

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first season, you know, because
there's a you know those are.

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I would say those are the more
beloved versions of the ip.

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So we're just going to stick to
that, you know.

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But before we hop into the last
of us rich, tell us what you

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have been up to.

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Hey, there, this is anthony
from the future.

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I'm sorry if the audio is a
little different.

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I'm recording just straight
from the laptop.

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I don't have my setup.

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But if you are interested in
just listening to the meat of

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the conversation, go over to 10
minutes and 13 seconds, and that

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is when the discussion starts.

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Speaker 2: I actually just got
back from the state capitol, so

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that that was fun.

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I went down to washington dc,
checked out a couple of uh

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museums down there, into the
library of congress, the

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national archives, the air and
space museum.

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I accidentally wore a star wars
shirt when I walked in there

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but then felt like it was
appropriate and uh, we.

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Of course this might be a shock
to all you guys, but I went to

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a baseball game.

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It felt mean because it was the
only game of the series the

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Mets won against the Nationals,
but it was a drubbing uh.

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The Mets won like nine to one.

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Their starting pitcher went
almost the entire game and I

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happened to sit on the third
base side in a giant group of

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Met fans, so you just heard
resounding let's go, mets chants

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I actually felt bad for the
fans there.

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There were a couple of them who
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they were sitting in the middle
of the group and it was kind of

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crazy.

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So that was a pretty good time.

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Speaker 1: Now, did you go to
Washington DC just to see that

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game?

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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I would rather not confirm or
deny.

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No, I mean we were picking a
spot for vacation and yes, I

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mean there's a very specific
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right Because the Mets were
playing the Nationals.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so you
lined up your vacation with that

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game so that you could go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: So not only is
baseball something that you live

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, it's also a place that you
vacation to.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's 30
stadiums and we're doing the 30

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stadium chase.

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Speaker 1: The chase for 30.

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Okay, so where have you been
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Like number wise, how many have
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Speaker 2: uh, so as a family
we've been to seven and then

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I've personally been to 10
because I have doubles in new

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york.

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So I have doubles for the
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've been
to a third.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I
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West Coast yet.

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That's going to be.

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We're going to have to take a
look at that one one day.

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Speaker 1: All righty, Anything
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What else did you do in
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Speaker 2: We just went around
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some architecture.

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I just went around checked out
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architecture, ate a whole bunch
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It was pretty nice, but I'm
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Met fans walking around the
Capitol and nobody was scared.

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I'm not sure if it was because
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there were lots of Met fans just
roaming around the Capitol.

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Speaker 1: They were also
chasing the 30.

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I think it was the Washington
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coming down.

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So I was up in New York with
Dakota and I came down with them

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When they drove down one time,
uh with uh, it was like his

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brothers and I and his dad and I
think that we were like in

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traffic in the DC area and like
there was ice on the road or

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like packed down snow on the
road and we kind of got stuck.

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So Dakota and I had to like get
out and like push the car, like

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rock it a little bit to help
dislodge it.

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Dude, that was dude in the
middle of traffic.

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That was so annoying, that
sounds insane, it was.

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But I mean, we had to.

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You know, we had to do
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Dakota's dad was, you know.

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Obviously he has to, like you
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we all had to like get out and
like rock the car, to like get

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it to move.

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But your florida boys in the
snow, well, well, by then dakota

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and then the the rest of them
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I was the
florida boy in the snow so, uh,

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what did you get up to this last
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Speaker 1: uh, no, honestly,
nothing too insane today as of

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recording.

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I binge watched a whole bunch
of the last of us there was.

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There's a couple, there's a few
episodes that I still needed to

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watch.

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So I would say like four
episodes and like I just

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shotgunned, like binge them for
the whole day today.

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But yeah, no, I know that I'm
probably going to remember at

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some point that I did something,
but I mean, yeah, no, I don't

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think, not that I, you know,
obviously, like I gamed, oh, I

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did mess with you guys or Dakota
yesterday when they announced

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in the upcoming Overwatch season
that there is going to be a

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Persona collaboration, so you
don't have to mess with Dakota

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with that.

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I mean, come on, man, he knows
what I'm about that Persona life

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.

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Speaker 2: Just maybe one day.

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Speaker 1: One of these days.

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We're going to get him on
Persona One of these days, One

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day.

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Speaker 2: It might be in the
near future or far in advance.

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Speaker 1: I actually do have a
future episode that I would like

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to do with you guys and I'm
pretty sure it's going to be a

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gaming episode and I'm pretty
sure dakota would be on board

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with this but I want to discuss
the og battlefront, the star

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wars battlefront games oh nice,
did you play those?

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Speaker 2: yeah, I did.

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And then, uh, what was the last
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The last one had it was I was
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actress who was like the main
villain I think that you fought

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against my um, I, I think it's
edian versio.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the you, so you
actually play as her yeah, okay,

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she like transitions from the
empire over to the, to the, the

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rebel alliance she was in the
show the league.

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Speaker 2: The league was a show
about a bunch of degenerates

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who played fantasy football
together and the terrible things

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they would do to each other,
and they named their trophy

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after a girl they had a crush on
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it the shiva bowl and she was
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So I turned the game on and
it's like such a such a crazy

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thing where I was like whoa,
whoa, wait a minute, that's

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shiva.

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And now it always weirds me out
when, like I mean with sam

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whitworth, I think I've done the
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actually in the game.

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So I I always find it crazy
when we actually have, you know,

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not like when they make a movie
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after the movie, but when, like,
a character is actually just

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written for a game and the actor
just you know, well, I, I think

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, I, I think.

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Speaker 1: For me I was off put
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game, because I had seen him in
media prior to that, like he was

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always casted as like a vampire
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Speaker 2: I think he had been
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out.

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I I'm hoping maybe, but he's
definitely in Smallville.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm
watching through.

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I haven't come across him yet,
but there might be a possibility

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that he's in that.

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But yeah, he's definitely.

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I've seen him in a handful of
things, but yeah, no, that, no,

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that's interesting.

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But yeah, no, I definitely I've
seen him in a handful of things

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, but yeah, no, no, that's
interesting.

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I would say, overall, for me it
hasn't been too insane.

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I've been playing overwatch,
I've been playing world of

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warcraft.

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I'm kind of like in a routine
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between both of those games and
actually, after we finish up

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recording today, I'm going to be
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playing magic the gathering with
some friends nice yeah, just

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diving deep into that, that
nerdiness man being away, sadly

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I wasn't able to game much.

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Speaker 2: I did bring the
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Not, I've been trying to man,
I've been trying to finish out

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Breath of the Wild, just getting
every shrine that I can find.

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So I know I can beat Ganon, but
I really just I'm not going to

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get all the Korok seeds.

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It's too much work.

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That's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: You're a
completionist, you want to go

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the full way.

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I generally do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the only game
I haven't been able to complete

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Not 100%, because to complete I
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like not a hundred hundred
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like you have to.

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Let's say, have you know, a
certain amount of headshots on

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this mission and I don't really
play for those things.

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So I'll never get a hundred
percent but I'm pretty close

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with like most of the, the pelts
and things like that the

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legendary animals.

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I'm starting to actually pay way
more attention to the birds

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this time, so that's been new
I'm also, so I kind of feel you

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Speaker 1: There's certain
things in games that I really

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just don't care for.

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I don't care for racing and
games that aren't racing games.

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I don't care for time trials.

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The only game that I would say
that I actually really went and

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platinum because I love the game
so much, was that first

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spider-man game that came out, I
think back in 2018 is it?

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Speaker 2: was it yeah?

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Speaker 1: so I actually
platinum that game just because

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it was like the definitive
spider-man experience and I was

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like, yeah, I'm a platinum this
I platinum all the spider-man

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games.

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Speaker 2: I platinum the lego
games.

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I will not stop with those
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If it's a reasonable platinum,
I will probably do it now.

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I have also no compunctions
about going online and, like you

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know, oh, you need this video.

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Where's the next bag?

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Where's the next bag?

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Like the hidden backpacks and
stuff in spider-man?

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Like I had no problems looking
up where they all were, you know

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, but it will sit there and
platinum the game if it's

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reasonable yeah, yeah, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if
you're, if you are ready, but

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did you want to hop into the
meat of the conversation?

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Speaker 2: man, the last of us
let's go, let's jump into this

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like some quarter steps.

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Speaker 1: Is it the last of us?

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Or you know like how many?

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You know how many of their like
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There's just the amount they
keep on coming out with the last

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of us games and there's just
more and more people so like who

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is the last of us?

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Speaker 2: it's very unclear.

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I mean and, and also us is such
a nebulous word.

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So I mean it could be, you know
, two, or obviously it could be

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many.

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I think this is what happens
when, uh, you know, we can't use

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uh chat, gbt and uh our cell
phones to figure out where

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people are so, so I I want to
know a little bit about, like

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your relationship with the last
of us.

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Speaker 1: Did you hop into the
game before the show or did you

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just watch the show?

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Speaker 2: So I remember when
the game first came out, my

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friend got it and he said, oh,
this game is really cool, you

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should check it out.

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And I didn't buy it.

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And he came over and I remember
just being way too afraid when

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I was playing it and I think
that because I wasn't great at

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it, because I was so afraid, I
started nitpicking certain

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gameplay mechanics.

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As I'm watching I'm like, oh
convenient, there's always a

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plank of wood whenever ellie
needs to swim across somewhere.

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Or oh convenient, there are
always ladders everywhere, right

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, like I don't know why I was
attacking the game so much, but

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I was.

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I didn't play it the first
release.

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I want to say I played it way
after, when it became a greatest

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hit on PlayStation.

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I didn't get the remastered
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It's like I got gypped out.

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I feel like I got the version
before the remastered version.

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Just before it I had gotten it
whatever.

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Before the remastered version,
like just before it, I had

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gotten it whatever.

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And I think that because I got
it for free from, like the

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monthly downloads or something,
they didn't let me just get the

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upgrade.

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So before the series started, I
made a point to definitely play

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it through and I think I played
it through twice before I got

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to see the show okay, cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm actually
with you on that.

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I didn't get it when it first
came out.

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I actually never owned a ps3 in
that era.

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I was more into the xbox 360.

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I really felt like the xbox 360
was.

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I was in the time where I was
gaming with friends a lot and I

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felt like the xbox live
experience was like the better

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online experience.

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I think that when it came to
connecting with friends and like

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I just felt like their servers
were better, so I hadn't gotten

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the ps3.

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That was like the one
playstation that I never got.

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I had the one, I had the two, I
had the four and the five, but

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I never got the three.

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So it was when I got the four.

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When I got PS4, they had a
version that came out for the

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PS4, but it wasn't a remastered
version.

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I think it was kind of upscaled
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Speaker 2: I think we played the
same one because I had an Xbox

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360 too, so I think this makes
sense.

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I think I played that version
that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so I
always knew I wanted to play it

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because I thought it looked cool
and it's a Naughty Dog game.

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I like the Naughty Dog games
they have Uncharted, they have

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Jak and Daxter.

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I grew up on those and it just
looks really good.

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And it just looked really good
and so when I finally got into

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it, I think I played it, maybe
2017, maybe 2016, 2017 around.

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That time was when I actually
sat down and played it.

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My mind was blown, like I was
so drawn into the story I I was

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like man, this is a story driven
video game like this is like

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you're playing through a movie
or you're playing through a tv

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show.

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So I was really blown away and I
absolutely loved it and so,

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yeah, man, like, and then,
obviously, when the second one

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came out, like I was a day one,
like, that was a day one acquire

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for me, I went for it because I
was like, I love this game, the

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story is amazing.

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I need to get the second one.

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You know we'll, we'll keep the
second one for I think we'll

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talk about it, because there's
still more to be told as far as

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the show, because there's
another season that has to cover

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another aspect for the second
game.

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So, but we have a completed
first season, you know, for the

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first game.

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So when the show came out, you
know, I was really, I was a

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little nervous because I was
like, you know, I really hope

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that they do well with this,
because this is a game that

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means a lot to me and the story
is really good.

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And I was pleasantly surprised
that they kept with pretty much

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like All the major story beats
and then they filled in

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information that was not in the
games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then even I
don't want to do spoiler stuff,

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but I will just say that I mean
we can, I mean the Last of Us

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Season 1.

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What I mean is for there were
things from the first game that

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were missing from the first
season In terms of Interacting

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with the environment.

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That then is addressed from the
first season right in terms of

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interacting with the environment
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That then is addressed in the
second season.

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So it made my kind of, because
there was one of the few things

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that made me angry was just one
of the environmental changes

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that occurs in the first one in
terms of the spores.

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So it was just kind of one
thing that I thought that was

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weird.

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They left out of season one,
but then I thought they did a

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good job of incorporating season
two oh okay, yeah, no, no, I

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know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I do like that.

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The first season of the show
does a really good job at

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explaining the cordyceps and I
did, I like like right, right,

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and was just like, oh wow, this
is really cool because you know,

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the existence of cordyceps
exists and the ones that he was

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talking about, the zombie ants
that's a real fungus, it's like

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you know.

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And in his explanation that it's
like you know, the world got

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warmer and so it had to adapt
and then it adapted to where it

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could, like you know, take over
a human's body.

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You know or not that it could.

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At that point it was like I
think in the 1960s was that clip

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?

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He was saying that that's where
it's headed, that it could end

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up in that, you know, at that
point, and I mean, that's

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exactly what happened, that's
exactly what happened.

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So I really liked that they had
those clips that explained

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cordyceps and then you know,
kind of like where the start of,

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of where it happens, and then
adding that whole Jakarta scene

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where and then, like the lady is
like no, we got to bomb

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everybody, or this is going to
get out of hand.

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Speaker 2: I loved the little.

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What is it that?

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I think it's that, joel, he
wasn't on a diet, he's

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gluten-free and that's why they
hadn't been getting bread Right

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Like that little, because
they're kind of explaining that

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it's kind of in the bread right
and all that kind of stuff and

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he's gluten-free, so they get
the gluten-free stuff and that's

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not affected.

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The cordyceps didn't get into
the flour or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, right,
like there's like no yeast or

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yeah and I thought that that was
such a little tiny.

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Speaker 2: It's just a.

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I love that kind of little
background stuff that you can

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hear that later.

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You're like, oh okay, right
yeah it's, it's, it's not in

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your face, right?

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It's just such a casual little
thing like I think his daughter

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complains about it or something,
and you know he's like, oh,

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whatever, you know, and he makes
up, you know, he, he defends

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himself to an extent and I I
think that that's just a smart

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way of showing us how they may
have avoided it when everybody

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else was exposed to it right,
right.

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Speaker 1: And then something
that that's different between

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the game and the show is the
time gap.

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So in the game it came out in
2013, so the outbreak happens in

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2003, and then it jumps up to
2013, and then, you know, this

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is where the main game happens.

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But in the show it jumps up 20
years to 2023, which is the year

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that it aired.

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So I mean, we had a pretty
massive, like time skip.

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So, like, instead of having
like a joel in his 40s, we have

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a joel in his 50s, so he's a
little older yeah, and I I mean

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I think it works.

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Speaker 2: I mean pedro pascal
does a great job.

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I mean he was fantastic casting
for joel.

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I don't remember if there was
any discussion about other

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people doing it.

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I can't think of any actors off
the top of my head that I would

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have rather had in this role.

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I mean, looking back on it now,
obviously there's a little

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Pedro fatigue.

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I love the man, but I'm sick of
him being.

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We talked about this on the
Fantastic Four episode, but I'm

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a huge Last of Us fan.

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He's in Last of Us.

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I'm a huge Game of Thrones fan.

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He's in Game of Thrones.

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I'm a huge Marvel fan.

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He's in Marvel.

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It's like, come on, buddy, I
need you to be one person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe take a
little bit of a break and let

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somebody else, I guess, take the
spotlight, yeah, but yeah, I

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agree.

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What are your thoughts on Bella
Ramsey?

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She was also in Game of Thrones
.

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There was a bit of a pushback
because of you know that she

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doesn't look as much like ellie.

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I mean, pedro doesn't look too
much like joel, but he's close

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enough, I guess.

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But bella, her face I mean you
know very much, so it doesn't

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look like ellie you listen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you
and I both know why there was

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so much backlash, right, it's
just like people were crushing

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on her in the video game and
they were like that's not my

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crush, you know, and it's you
know.

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There was also, I mean, I
remember, in witcher they

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changed, you know, jen's
character.

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I think looks very different
the actress in the in the show

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than does in the game and it
doesn't really have any impact

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on the story at all for me,
other than you know that I was

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crushing on on her in the video
game, you know, and I was like,

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hey, that looks like that looks
different than my crush, you

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know.

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But I take to the internet to
be like this is absurd.

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I wasn't that upset about it
and in this case you, I know her

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as the badass girl from Bear
Island.

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You know who, or sorry, she's, I
think it's Bear Island, the

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Mormont family.

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So she's the last of the
Mormonts when they're kind of

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going to battle against I think
it's Cersei's army at first, but

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then the White Walkers and they
have like 12 men but she like

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very fiercely pledges for them.

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So when I saw her being cast I
was like, well, she plays a

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little badass really well, you
know, I mean, you know, I mean,

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I think she even goes to battle
in the show like she's a pretty

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big badass.

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So I thought that, in terms of,
can the actor handle that type

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of like being a badass?

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Yeah, I thought that that was
going to be the really easy part

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.

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If anything, I was worried
about whether she would hit the

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00:22:01,855 --> 00:22:05,781
emotional beats, because I
hadn't seen her do that before

463
00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:07,325
right, right, yeah.

464
00:22:08,047 --> 00:22:11,299
Speaker 1: So I didn't really
get upset when I saw the casting

465
00:22:11,299 --> 00:22:11,299
.

466
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:16,578
For me it's just like as long as
she looks close enough to the

467
00:22:16,618 --> 00:22:20,487
character but if you get the
that, you have to get that

468
00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:24,260
personality down right, and I
think that she does a really

469
00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:26,424
good job at getting ellie's
personality.

470
00:22:26,424 --> 00:22:29,497
So does pedro with joel's
personality.

471
00:22:29,497 --> 00:22:34,526
Even the actor that portrays
tos, tommy, does a really good

472
00:22:34,586 --> 00:22:37,557
job at portraying his character.

473
00:22:37,557 --> 00:22:41,185
So, yeah, like, let's talk a
little bit about, like you know,

474
00:22:41,185 --> 00:22:42,208
the beginning of the story.

475
00:22:42,208 --> 00:22:46,122
You know we get where it starts
us off, in 2003, in both the

476
00:22:46,162 --> 00:22:47,345
game and the show.

477
00:22:47,345 --> 00:22:51,181
And Joel he's just living his
life out with his brother,

478
00:22:51,422 --> 00:22:56,519
they're contractors, and the
outbreak happens and then we get

479
00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:58,964
something really tragic that
happens to joel.

480
00:22:59,445 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: That really builds up
for what happens throughout the

481
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,707
game, you know, in the show
yeah, I think they do a really

482
00:23:05,747 --> 00:23:08,843
good job of kind of setting,
sending the in both versions.

483
00:23:08,843 --> 00:23:12,031
They they do a good job of
world building and, you know,

484
00:23:12,472 --> 00:23:16,020
kind of quickly getting you to
understand what it was like

485
00:23:16,121 --> 00:23:20,429
before you're going to get flash
forward into what it is.

486
00:23:20,429 --> 00:23:23,623
I think that, like, the fallout
series did a really good job of

487
00:23:23,623 --> 00:23:26,458
that too right, because it's
still kind of our world.

488
00:23:26,458 --> 00:23:30,153
But they have to establish the
parameters and I thought that

489
00:23:30,173 --> 00:23:34,018
they did a good job of that with
the 1970s video and the jakarta

490
00:23:34,018 --> 00:23:34,460
stuff.

491
00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:37,673
And then joel's you know his
daughter and everything and kind

492
00:23:37,673 --> 00:23:40,384
of the tragedy that he goes
through with her and how he's a

493
00:23:40,423 --> 00:23:41,046
different man.

494
00:23:41,067 --> 00:23:44,180
Speaker 1: You know he's a very
he just seems like a regular dad

495
00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:45,748
who's trying to protect his kid
.

496
00:23:45,788 --> 00:23:48,657
Speaker 2: You know he doesn't
seem like he's a badass, I can't

497
00:23:48,657 --> 00:23:49,259
remember.

498
00:23:49,259 --> 00:23:51,804
Does he display some gun skills
at the beginning?

499
00:23:51,804 --> 00:23:54,997
But either way, it's nothing
like you know, nothing that we

500
00:23:55,096 --> 00:23:58,284
know of him in the future right,
right, yeah, no, it's.

501
00:23:59,266 --> 00:24:01,878
Speaker 1: It is both like
heartbreaking in both the game

502
00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:05,546
and the tv show you know to see
his daughter being.

503
00:24:05,546 --> 00:24:10,063
You know she gets shot, I guess
like the army's just trying to

504
00:24:10,103 --> 00:24:13,577
like fend them to get away, but
I mean it's still sad to see

505
00:24:13,598 --> 00:24:17,422
that she gets shot in that that
whole process and then she gets

506
00:24:17,502 --> 00:24:17,884
killed.

507
00:24:17,884 --> 00:24:23,662
And so, yeah, like you know, we
flash forward and, yeah, joel,

508
00:24:23,863 --> 00:24:24,964
the world is hardened.

509
00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:32,729
You know he's in, he's in a
Boston kind of DMZ kind of area.

510
00:24:32,729 --> 00:24:37,458
You know it's everything's kind
of locked down.

511
00:24:37,458 --> 00:24:41,487
You have this militaristic
group that has taken control of

512
00:24:41,547 --> 00:24:46,217
this area and, yeah, I mean Joel
has been hardened by life.

513
00:24:46,317 --> 00:24:50,923
You know, obviously grief did a
lot and then just going through

514
00:24:50,963 --> 00:24:55,278
dealing with the zombies and
then dealing with raiders and

515
00:24:55,459 --> 00:24:59,532
the fireflies and everything, so
there's just a lot that goes on

516
00:24:59,532 --> 00:25:02,823
in this world that really would
harden somebody.

517
00:25:02,823 --> 00:25:05,592
So, yeah, no, I really do like
feel for joel.

518
00:25:05,592 --> 00:25:10,943
I understand why he's kind of
you know, just kind of on edge

519
00:25:11,766 --> 00:25:16,275
and so, yeah, like I really
enjoy seeing how his character

520
00:25:17,376 --> 00:25:21,804
evolves throughout the show and
and the game yeah, I mean, I

521
00:25:21,884 --> 00:25:25,675
think obviously the game is able
to do it a little bit

522
00:25:25,715 --> 00:25:30,365
differently, so that's because
you're experiencing it as if

523
00:25:30,444 --> 00:25:30,965
it's you.

524
00:25:31,086 --> 00:25:32,449
You're playing this character.

525
00:25:32,449 --> 00:25:38,246
So in a way the story might be
the same for everybody, but the

526
00:25:38,306 --> 00:25:40,148
experience is different for each
person.

527
00:25:41,316 --> 00:25:41,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's.

528
00:25:41,977 --> 00:25:45,203
I think, like you know, his
daughter dying at the beginning,

529
00:25:45,203 --> 00:25:49,660
you know, is obviously sad, but
because of the nature of the

530
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:53,188
way the story is being told, you
feel I mean, as a parent, yeah,

531
00:25:53,188 --> 00:25:57,243
I feel bad for him because I
can, I can sympathize, but I

532
00:25:57,284 --> 00:26:01,700
don't truly know his daughter
well enough to care particularly

533
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:01,700
.

534
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,185
And I think that when you're
playing as the character, you're

535
00:26:04,185 --> 00:26:05,276
like oh no, that's me.

536
00:26:05,276 --> 00:26:06,400
You know there's a little bit
more.

537
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,535
You know, not, I'm not, I don't
have a dissociative personality

538
00:26:10,535 --> 00:26:13,455
, I'm not like, oh yeah, that's
uh, you know, that's my daughter

539
00:26:13,455 --> 00:26:13,455
.

540
00:26:13,455 --> 00:26:15,923
I can't believe she died, you
know, but but you do feel more

541
00:26:15,962 --> 00:26:16,965
of a connection, I think.

542
00:26:17,695 --> 00:26:20,162
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do like
that.

543
00:26:20,162 --> 00:26:25,493
They expanded her a little bit
more, I guess, to develop a

544
00:26:25,554 --> 00:26:28,320
little bit more of a connection,
because you didn't get too much

545
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,205
of her in the game, you know.

546
00:26:30,205 --> 00:26:32,976
But they try to add her a
little bit more and I think that

547
00:26:32,976 --> 00:26:36,042
I think that there are certain
aspects that they wanted to

548
00:26:36,182 --> 00:26:39,998
improve upon from the game and
then that's why we got those

549
00:26:40,057 --> 00:26:44,508
clips of, you know, about the
scientists talking about the

550
00:26:44,555 --> 00:26:48,503
cordyceps and then the whole
jakarta thing, and so I I really

551
00:26:48,503 --> 00:26:51,832
do appreciate those additions
to the show that really, like

552
00:26:52,032 --> 00:26:57,666
adds to the lore, we have Ellie,
who you know she's an orphan,

553
00:26:58,515 --> 00:26:59,760
she has no family.

554
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,621
You know she's got these people
the Fireflies that they want to

555
00:27:04,621 --> 00:27:10,470
transport her to another group
of scientists within the Firefly

556
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:11,250
organization.

557
00:27:11,394 --> 00:27:14,497
You know there's different
groups, there's different sects

558
00:27:14,798 --> 00:27:19,372
of fireflies, and so the one in
boston, you know joel, kind of

559
00:27:19,412 --> 00:27:23,201
gets wrapped up into being
somebody that you know he gets

560
00:27:23,221 --> 00:27:26,147
to the point to where he has to
deliver her, and so yeah, like

561
00:27:26,275 --> 00:27:29,561
you know, ellie is just, you
know she's hardened, she's,

562
00:27:29,702 --> 00:27:33,656
she's gone through a really hard
time in of her life too, and so

563
00:27:33,656 --> 00:27:37,685
when you kind of get to know
ellie and joel a little bit you

564
00:27:37,705 --> 00:27:41,161
get to realize that they're kind
of like they're two sides of

565
00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:42,022
the same coin.

566
00:27:42,022 --> 00:27:43,266
They're very similar.

567
00:27:43,266 --> 00:27:48,278
You know joel sees her as this
little girl but she's been

568
00:27:48,338 --> 00:27:48,799
hardened.

569
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,665
You know he tries to put some
comparisons.

570
00:27:51,665 --> 00:27:54,417
You know that you know with his
daughter but she's very

571
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:55,820
different from his daughter.

572
00:27:55,820 --> 00:28:00,576
She has been kind of
battle-hearted a little bit in

573
00:28:00,798 --> 00:28:01,019
life.

574
00:28:01,019 --> 00:28:04,972
I mean, she's grown up in like
a really crappy world yeah, I

575
00:28:04,992 --> 00:28:06,175
know it's completely different.

576
00:28:06,236 --> 00:28:08,180
Speaker 2: You know I mean we
joke about it here.

577
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:14,992
We live not far from a little
harbor and uh, we, whenever I

578
00:28:15,034 --> 00:28:16,917
think about I'm like you know,
zombie apocalypse.

579
00:28:16,917 --> 00:28:18,301
You know I talk to my family
about it.

580
00:28:18,301 --> 00:28:20,756
You know my wife's like look,
you're gonna have to make the

581
00:28:20,776 --> 00:28:23,525
hard choice and you can't take
me with you if you want our son

582
00:28:23,545 --> 00:28:25,438
to live, because I'm gonna be
useless.

583
00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:29,528
And uh, you know, like he's not
gonna be the little boy who, uh

584
00:28:29,528 --> 00:28:30,858
, just likes to go to met games.

585
00:28:30,858 --> 00:28:32,425
He's gonna be the little boy
who just likes to go to Met

586
00:28:32,445 --> 00:28:32,546
Games.

587
00:28:32,546 --> 00:28:33,810
He's going to be the little boy
who watched his dad have to

588
00:28:33,852 --> 00:28:38,125
take his mom out before they
left the house and tried to live

589
00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:38,967
amongst the zombies.

590
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:43,271
So I just think that she's
going to be a completely

591
00:28:43,352 --> 00:28:47,260
different person than his actual
daughter because she's grown up

592
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:51,489
in a completely different time
period.

593
00:28:51,489 --> 00:28:53,544
What's really danger and what
you can do, period, uh, you know

594
00:28:53,544 --> 00:28:56,337
what's really danger and you
know what you can do and how you

595
00:28:56,337 --> 00:28:59,505
can experiment with growing up,
all righty.

596
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:02,198
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you hear
some, if you hear some thunder

597
00:29:02,218 --> 00:29:02,960
in the background.

598
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,365
Yeah, we got some uh thunder
going on, man it's.

599
00:29:05,365 --> 00:29:06,777
It's kind of crazy.

600
00:29:06,777 --> 00:29:08,118
Right now florida is being
florida.

601
00:29:08,138 --> 00:29:10,262
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, florida is
just being, florida was being

602
00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:10,423
florida.

603
00:29:10,442 --> 00:29:12,727
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, florida's
just being florida man.

604
00:29:12,727 --> 00:29:17,339
So what I was talking about was
that the show added this whole

605
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,961
section.

606
00:29:17,961 --> 00:29:21,028
They added like that whole
section where they meet this

607
00:29:21,107 --> 00:29:25,442
group in one of the cities that
they go through and joel ends up

608
00:29:25,442 --> 00:29:31,340
killing the son of the I always
forget her name the lady that's

609
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:34,996
in charge of this group oh yes,
I can't remember her name

610
00:29:35,057 --> 00:29:36,019
either for some reason.

611
00:29:36,761 --> 00:29:39,249
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a
little.

612
00:29:39,249 --> 00:29:42,176
I think it's a little easier to
understand in the game because

613
00:29:42,196 --> 00:29:45,865
you're reading, like you're
reading some of the missives and

614
00:29:45,865 --> 00:29:48,858
you're you know, I think you're
getting a little bit more about

615
00:29:48,858 --> 00:29:54,288
the groups and why joel might
be distrustful of them right,

616
00:29:54,348 --> 00:29:59,162
right, yeah, because the group
that that is in charge of boston

617
00:29:59,162 --> 00:30:04,215
is they're called fedra and you
know they're a little bit more

618
00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:07,842
of like the remnants of like the
old worlds, but not everybody

619
00:30:07,902 --> 00:30:08,383
likes that.

620
00:30:08,442 --> 00:30:11,528
Speaker 1: You know, you have
groups like this one that Joel

621
00:30:11,587 --> 00:30:18,077
and Ellie come across, and then
there's also Raiders and you

622
00:30:18,117 --> 00:30:19,462
also have like cultists.

623
00:30:19,462 --> 00:30:23,438
You know there's just so much
going on and so, yeah, like this

624
00:30:23,438 --> 00:30:26,006
is a new group that was added
to the show.

625
00:30:26,006 --> 00:30:30,674
One of the cool things is that
the lady's name was Kathleen and

626
00:30:30,674 --> 00:30:32,321
this happens in Kansas City.

627
00:30:32,321 --> 00:30:34,836
That the lady's name was
Kathleen and this happens in

628
00:30:34,856 --> 00:30:39,362
Kansas City, and so her
right-hand man, perry, is played

629
00:30:39,362 --> 00:30:44,727
by Jeffrey Pierce and he
actually does the voice of Tommy

630
00:30:44,727 --> 00:30:45,267
in the game.

631
00:30:45,928 --> 00:30:48,410
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did that a
couple other times, I think,

632
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:49,550
later in the series.

633
00:30:50,031 --> 00:30:55,477
Speaker 1: Yes, I was really
happy that they snuck in a good.

634
00:30:55,477 --> 00:30:57,661
Well, they didn't sneak them in
, they did sneak in one.

635
00:30:57,661 --> 00:31:02,736
But like you have um later in
the series, you have ashley

636
00:31:02,776 --> 00:31:07,682
johnson that cameos as ellie's
mother and she's the voice of

637
00:31:07,761 --> 00:31:08,002
ellie.

638
00:31:08,002 --> 00:31:13,088
You also have Troy Baker who
plays James, and he's in like

639
00:31:13,109 --> 00:31:16,423
that cultist group, troy Baker
is the voice of Joel.

640
00:31:17,115 --> 00:31:21,265
You also get Laura Bailey, which
Laura Bailey doesn't come in

641
00:31:21,345 --> 00:31:25,356
until the second game, but she
cameos as one of the Firefly

642
00:31:25,517 --> 00:31:27,077
nurses later in the show.

643
00:31:27,077 --> 00:31:32,020
But it's really cool that they
incorporated all of these

644
00:31:32,401 --> 00:31:38,724
characters that were in the game
, that they incorporated their

645
00:31:38,765 --> 00:31:40,865
voice talent into the show.

646
00:31:40,865 --> 00:31:47,250
You also had Merle Dandridge,
so the leader of the Fireflies

647
00:31:47,369 --> 00:31:49,912
in Boston is Marlene.

648
00:31:50,271 --> 00:31:51,752
And so she plays a role.

649
00:31:51,752 --> 00:31:56,019
She's the one that does the
handoff of Ellie to Joel, and so

650
00:31:56,019 --> 00:32:00,449
she she's actually the voice in
the game and she actually plays

651
00:32:00,449 --> 00:32:01,537
her character in the show.

652
00:32:01,537 --> 00:32:02,419
So I was.

653
00:32:02,419 --> 00:32:06,048
I thought that that was really,
really cool yeah, I think it's.

654
00:32:06,295 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know,
we've also seen, like you know,

655
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,968
in Star Wars, I think, boca tan,
uh, the voice actress was able

656
00:32:13,008 --> 00:32:13,675
to be in the show.

657
00:32:13,675 --> 00:32:17,932
So I mean, sometimes it doesn't
, you know, sometimes maybe just

658
00:32:17,932 --> 00:32:21,721
for I mean, obviously ashley
johnson's older than they want

659
00:32:21,843 --> 00:32:24,596
lx to be portrayed in the show
and everything, so I'm gonna go

660
00:32:24,636 --> 00:32:25,097
that way.

661
00:32:25,097 --> 00:32:30,167
But to find a spot for them, I
think is it's a really nice way

662
00:32:30,347 --> 00:32:32,701
of them acknowledging the
importance those people had,

663
00:32:32,741 --> 00:32:35,961
because if the voice actors
hadn't been as good as they were

664
00:32:35,961 --> 00:32:39,438
, maybe the game doesn't take
off the way it does right, right

665
00:32:39,438 --> 00:32:41,280
, no, no, I agree.

666
00:32:41,942 --> 00:32:45,127
Speaker 1: And so, dude, let me
tell you one of the episodes

667
00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:50,402
that like and these characters
are in the show, I think it's

668
00:32:50,582 --> 00:32:52,945
sam and henry that they come
across.

669
00:32:52,945 --> 00:32:57,900
That episode always wrecks me,
dude, that episode is really

670
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,622
hard to watch.

671
00:32:58,622 --> 00:33:04,756
Yeah, and I, I can imagine you
as a father like that must be a

672
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:08,200
tough watch, and I'm not a
father myself but, like you know

673
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:14,548
, I have, like, young family
members and you know just the

674
00:33:14,627 --> 00:33:18,257
interaction, the relationship
that is built throughout.

675
00:33:18,257 --> 00:33:21,103
You know they have it in the
game and in the show.

676
00:33:22,144 --> 00:33:25,717
They make him younger yeah he's
a little bit older in the game,

677
00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:30,003
but they make him younger in the
show and so, ellie, you know

678
00:33:30,044 --> 00:33:33,388
how it's almost like a young
brother kind of dynamic with

679
00:33:33,609 --> 00:33:39,323
ellie and sam, and you know sam
the, and let me tell you, the

680
00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:44,676
actor that portrayed sam was so
good yeah he was so good and

681
00:33:44,696 --> 00:33:47,061
like he was adorable and he was
really like.

682
00:33:47,082 --> 00:33:52,760
You know, they made him deaf and
so and he, the actual actor

683
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,734
himself, was deaf, and so I
thought that was like a really

684
00:33:55,836 --> 00:33:57,660
interesting dynamic that they
added.

685
00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:02,813
Yeah, man, that episode is
really really tough because,

686
00:34:03,035 --> 00:34:05,480
yeah, you see that that
friendship that grows, that

687
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,675
blossoms, that relationship,
they, you know, they go through

688
00:34:08,695 --> 00:34:09,036
some.

689
00:34:09,036 --> 00:34:14,646
Especially, they added that
whole scene with the stand down

690
00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:19,143
between Kathleen and her group
and then, all of a sudden, a

691
00:34:19,344 --> 00:34:22,054
bunch of clickers come out of
nowhere with a bloater.

692
00:34:22,255 --> 00:34:26,523
That scene is so insane that
they had added that scene

693
00:34:27,425 --> 00:34:30,070
because I thought it was like a
really great addition.

694
00:34:31,335 --> 00:34:33,882
Speaker 2: The one scene that I
think it was a weird addition is

695
00:34:33,882 --> 00:34:37,159
I'm pretty sure it's this
season, it's the I mean Tess

696
00:34:37,179 --> 00:34:41,449
gets kissed by the Cordyceps,
like the Cordyceps comes out of

697
00:34:41,469 --> 00:34:41,693
her mouth.

698
00:34:41,693 --> 00:34:41,875
Oh yeah.

699
00:34:42,034 --> 00:34:42,838
Speaker 1: Earlier in the season
.

700
00:34:42,838 --> 00:34:43,976
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

701
00:34:44,775 --> 00:34:47,382
Speaker 2: That was like, and
she just like sits there

702
00:34:47,443 --> 00:34:48,686
horrified and doesn't move.

703
00:34:48,686 --> 00:34:51,601
I was like, all right, I mean
you know definitely something

704
00:34:51,661 --> 00:34:54,358
made for the show, that you know
obviously this is all

705
00:34:54,378 --> 00:34:56,619
make-believe, but there's still
stuff that you're like what, why

706
00:34:56,619 --> 00:34:57,503
doesn't she move?

707
00:34:57,503 --> 00:34:58,385
That's so weird.

708
00:34:58,385 --> 00:35:01,525
She just kind of like accepts
him as her prom date.

709
00:35:01,987 --> 00:35:06,715
But some, some of the scenes are
really true to the game yeah

710
00:35:07,157 --> 00:35:11,989
and you know, I think season two
, I think, has a couple of

711
00:35:12,088 --> 00:35:15,097
things that are really I was
really happy that they.

712
00:35:15,097 --> 00:35:18,324
They got it kind of I'll say
right, and it looks like they're

713
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:19,617
right they're building.

714
00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:22,389
Obviously I think they're
getting more money a little bit.

715
00:35:22,389 --> 00:35:25,358
So the second season seemed to
have like a kind of more

716
00:35:25,938 --> 00:35:31,748
grandiose set pieces and yeah,
yeah, no, of course, of course.

717
00:35:31,788 --> 00:35:34,016
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, if you
have a successful first season,

718
00:35:34,036 --> 00:35:37,804
you're definitely gonna get a
bigger budget on the second one.

719
00:35:37,804 --> 00:35:40,088
So but yeah, no, no, yeah.

720
00:35:40,088 --> 00:35:45,585
So with sam, you know sam gets
infected during like that whole

721
00:35:45,625 --> 00:35:49,541
like kerfuffle with the walkers,
and then you see that sam gets

722
00:35:49,621 --> 00:35:51,913
bit and a dude let me tell you
that.

723
00:35:51,913 --> 00:35:55,079
And then that that interaction,
dude, like I like my heart

724
00:35:55,681 --> 00:36:00,775
freaking broke when he wrote
down if you turn into a monster,

725
00:36:00,775 --> 00:36:02,782
are you still you in the inside
?

726
00:36:02,782 --> 00:36:07,375
Dude, I was just like you know,
like, because there had been

727
00:36:07,474 --> 00:36:11,813
some distance between the last
time I played the game and when

728
00:36:11,853 --> 00:36:12,896
I watched the show.

729
00:36:12,896 --> 00:36:17,264
So I remember the characters,
but I didn't exactly remember

730
00:36:17,405 --> 00:36:18,849
how things went down.

731
00:36:18,849 --> 00:36:23,083
And so when that whole thing
went down, like dude, it it

732
00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:24,425
broke my heart.

733
00:36:24,585 --> 00:36:28,617
Sam turns into a walker, and
then henry being the one to

734
00:36:28,717 --> 00:36:33,003
shoot him and it all happened so
fast, you know like it's all

735
00:36:33,063 --> 00:36:33,804
reactionary.

736
00:36:33,804 --> 00:36:38,068
And then the crushing guilt of
what happened falling on Henry

737
00:36:38,108 --> 00:36:39,751
and then him turning the gun on
himself.

738
00:36:39,751 --> 00:36:49,141
That episode, like dude, is
such a hard watch because you

739
00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:50,827
grow to like these characters,
especially Sam, you know,

740
00:36:50,847 --> 00:36:52,313
because you have, you know,
ellie doesn't really have that

741
00:36:52,333 --> 00:36:56,143
many people that are close to
her age, but joel has that all

742
00:36:56,202 --> 00:36:56,664
around him.

743
00:36:56,664 --> 00:36:59,780
You know, like he he can kind
of he connects a little bit with

744
00:36:59,780 --> 00:37:02,733
henry, even though henry's a
little bit younger, but henry is

745
00:37:02,733 --> 00:37:06,782
still like a father figure to
his brother, whereas joel

746
00:37:06,822 --> 00:37:10,976
becomes a father figure to ellie
it's tough, man, you gotta turn

747
00:37:10,976 --> 00:37:11,539
those you.

748
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,498
Speaker 2: Once they get
infected, you got to they're not

749
00:37:13,498 --> 00:37:14,422
your family anymore.

750
00:37:14,422 --> 00:37:19,398
That's the hard truth in kind
of this world and you know.

751
00:37:19,398 --> 00:37:22,838
That's why for such a long time
Joel had no attachments, you

752
00:37:22,878 --> 00:37:25,847
know, because life was way
simpler.

753
00:37:25,847 --> 00:37:29,342
I mean, you got to remember
that everybody can be your worst

754
00:37:29,342 --> 00:37:33,155
enemy in two seconds, and I
think the addition of making him

755
00:37:33,155 --> 00:37:34,898
deaf even goes to show that.

756
00:37:34,898 --> 00:37:39,307
Like I mean, think about it,
clickers right, being able to

757
00:37:39,387 --> 00:37:41,277
hear them is a defense right.

758
00:37:41,277 --> 00:37:43,061
So you don't have that.

759
00:37:43,141 --> 00:37:47,675
Speaker 1: You know henry has to
be extra vigilant for both, you

760
00:37:47,675 --> 00:37:52,887
know right, right, yeah, and
and honestly, like on the topic

761
00:37:52,947 --> 00:37:56,601
of clickers, like they nailed,
oh yeah so good and like the

762
00:37:56,681 --> 00:37:58,726
interactions and the things that
they do.

763
00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:02,648
They even like use some of the
methods of of like navigating

764
00:38:02,688 --> 00:38:05,137
around them like they do in the
games, like you know, tossing

765
00:38:05,197 --> 00:38:06,181
bottles and stuff.

766
00:38:06,181 --> 00:38:09,755
So, yeah, I thought that that
was yeah, they did really great.

767
00:38:09,755 --> 00:38:11,637
They did really good with the
bloater too.

768
00:38:11,637 --> 00:38:16,025
Just the some of the practical
effects that they had in this

769
00:38:16,065 --> 00:38:17,648
show were really really good.

770
00:38:17,648 --> 00:38:21,161
I am really really glad when I
start to see more practical

771
00:38:21,222 --> 00:38:21,581
effects.

772
00:38:21,581 --> 00:38:27,780
I understand that cgi is more
cost effective, but practicality

773
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:30,744
looks a lot better sometimes,
not all the time.

774
00:38:30,744 --> 00:38:34,297
If you could do it right, then
yeah, but like, if not, then

775
00:38:34,336 --> 00:38:35,639
just go the cgi route.

776
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,007
The walkers look really really
good, especially the clickers

777
00:38:39,697 --> 00:38:40,579
they added.

778
00:38:41,561 --> 00:38:44,969
So they changed bill a little
bit, bill and frank.

779
00:38:44,969 --> 00:38:49,641
They added like a whole episode
and kind of expanded a little

780
00:38:49,681 --> 00:38:51,806
bit more on them.

781
00:38:51,806 --> 00:38:56,226
What were your thoughts of like
that addition from the game to

782
00:38:56,246 --> 00:38:56,567
the show?

783
00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:59,405
Because I mean, that was pretty
much like a whole episode of

784
00:38:59,427 --> 00:39:01,375
something that we didn't even
have in the game.

785
00:39:01,375 --> 00:39:02,418
We had Bill.

786
00:39:02,418 --> 00:39:07,442
There was Bill and Frank, but I
think at the point where you

787
00:39:07,461 --> 00:39:10,456
get to the game I think Frank
was already gone and you don't

788
00:39:10,556 --> 00:39:13,702
know the nature of the
relationship in the game I

789
00:39:13,722 --> 00:39:14,686
thought it was really well done.

790
00:39:14,766 --> 00:39:20,121
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it
gave us a slice into what normal

791
00:39:20,121 --> 00:39:24,230
life looked like at a certain
point during the outbreak, you

792
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:33,085
know, and how the stress of that
world can impact relationships.

793
00:39:33,085 --> 00:39:37,277
And I think that, if I remember
the pacing of the season, it

794
00:39:37,317 --> 00:39:42,365
came in a good place where it
kind of allowed the audience to

795
00:39:42,405 --> 00:39:47,260
take a breath between the next
series of events and I guess

796
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,648
like it also allowed them to
kind of like travel from it.

797
00:39:52,076 --> 00:39:54,184
Speaker 1: There's like travel
time in that period of time.

798
00:39:54,184 --> 00:39:57,902
And then it explained their
characters and then explained

799
00:39:58,523 --> 00:40:02,536
kind of why Joel went to this
place, right, you know, because

800
00:40:02,577 --> 00:40:05,043
like if he would have popped up
there and just been like, yeah,

801
00:40:05,083 --> 00:40:06,106
you know, this is my buddy.

802
00:40:06,106 --> 00:40:09,023
You know it's Bill and Frank's
place, but you don't know who

803
00:40:09,063 --> 00:40:09,445
they are.

804
00:40:09,445 --> 00:40:12,137
Right, you know it's Bill and
Frank's place, but you don't

805
00:40:12,157 --> 00:40:12,557
know who they are.

806
00:40:12,557 --> 00:40:14,181
Right, you know he's not dead
in the game when you meet him,

807
00:40:14,862 --> 00:40:18,889
but he's dead when Joel and
Ellie get to that point.

808
00:40:18,889 --> 00:40:24,666
You know that Frank gets sick,
and so they kind of go out

809
00:40:24,706 --> 00:40:25,226
together.

810
00:40:25,226 --> 00:40:26,108
Essentially.

811
00:40:26,775 --> 00:40:28,300
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that
was really well done.

812
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,505
I mean, I know some people
complained about that episode,

813
00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:33,465
but I thought it added more to
the story so I didn't have any

814
00:40:33,505 --> 00:40:36,739
issue with it and so, yeah,
we're kind of like hopping

815
00:40:36,778 --> 00:40:38,971
around, which, I mean, is the
nature of our podcast.

816
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:41,659
Speaker 1: We always hop around,
but then, you know, we get

817
00:40:42,181 --> 00:40:42,362
there.

818
00:40:42,362 --> 00:40:47,175
There's that point where joel
gets injured in in a scuffle

819
00:40:47,697 --> 00:40:51,431
with some raiders and ellie kind
of has to like take care of him

820
00:40:51,431 --> 00:40:51,431
.

821
00:40:51,431 --> 00:40:53,516
That's in the game, you know.

822
00:40:53,516 --> 00:40:58,166
I remember that in the game and
this is where you kind of like

823
00:40:58,206 --> 00:40:58,726
navigate.

824
00:40:58,726 --> 00:41:03,525
Uh, you play as ellie for a
little while and, yeah, you know

825
00:41:03,525 --> 00:41:07,918
we have these cultists, you
know, and then troy baker, which

826
00:41:07,918 --> 00:41:11,976
is kind of facing off against
his real life counterpart, like

827
00:41:11,996 --> 00:41:15,219
you know, like he voices the
character, so like he's facing

828
00:41:15,298 --> 00:41:17,846
off against the character that
he voices.

829
00:41:17,846 --> 00:41:21,184
For what did you think about
that interaction?

830
00:41:21,184 --> 00:41:24,105
You know that that how they did
that whole sequence.

831
00:41:25,255 --> 00:41:26,458
Speaker 2: I thought it was
really good because I had

832
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,086
forgotten why I should be scared
.

833
00:41:29,086 --> 00:41:34,918
I think at first had forgotten
why I should be scared, I think

834
00:41:34,938 --> 00:41:35,119
at first.

835
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:35,601
So you know it doesn't.

836
00:41:35,601 --> 00:41:36,945
I don't think it quite hits the
same because I think in that

837
00:41:37,025 --> 00:41:40,476
portion of the game you're
pretty freaked out by that point

838
00:41:40,476 --> 00:41:42,583
in the game you know how
dangerous everything is around

839
00:41:42,623 --> 00:41:42,702
you.

840
00:41:42,702 --> 00:41:44,295
And now you're not joel, you're
ellie.

841
00:41:44,916 --> 00:41:49,065
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah,
a little bit more vulnerable.

842
00:41:49,065 --> 00:41:51,268
They always make the smaller
characters a little bit more

843
00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:52,030
vulnerable.

844
00:41:53,217 --> 00:41:54,601
Speaker 2: So I think that that
was really.

845
00:41:54,601 --> 00:41:59,764
I don't think there's any way
they could have kind of made it

846
00:41:59,804 --> 00:42:03,155
the same, but I thought the
interaction was really good and

847
00:42:03,175 --> 00:42:08,686
I thought that the cabin scene
or the lodge scene when it's

848
00:42:08,728 --> 00:42:12,793
burning, I thought that was
super well done and I actually

849
00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:17,527
thought that bella ramsey came
off to me as see, this is where

850
00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:23,443
I think her casting works well,
because I don't think I was ever

851
00:42:23,443 --> 00:42:25,688
I never was scared of ellie.

852
00:42:25,688 --> 00:42:29,603
Like you know, she started
doing darker things, but I guess

853
00:42:29,603 --> 00:42:32,516
the character model is always
so cheery looking I mean still

854
00:42:32,536 --> 00:42:38,063
has sad face sometimes but just
when Bella is able to kind of

855
00:42:38,463 --> 00:42:42,949
escape Troy and as she's like
going crazy on him, there's

856
00:42:43,168 --> 00:42:46,092
something about you know the way
the character is like

857
00:42:46,733 --> 00:42:48,820
unraveling, right, you could see
the actor.

858
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:51,467
You could see Bella Ramsey
unraveling and kind of see the

859
00:42:51,487 --> 00:42:51,588
actor.

860
00:42:51,608 --> 00:42:53,077
You could see bella ramsey
unraveling and right kind of

861
00:42:53,097 --> 00:42:55,750
kind of going into madness,
right where I don't think there

862
00:42:55,769 --> 00:42:58,800
was ever a time where and I mean
, we've seen ellie do some

863
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,543
things, but I don't know.

864
00:43:00,543 --> 00:43:04,161
There it's something about the,
the way the hair is poking up

865
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:07,333
and and the way the blood is
spattered and and I don't know.

866
00:43:07,454 --> 00:43:10,222
Speaker 1: There's something to
be said she was in true like

867
00:43:10,342 --> 00:43:11,626
fight or flight mode.

868
00:43:12,275 --> 00:43:15,460
And like in that instance, like
she knew that, like she was,

869
00:43:15,601 --> 00:43:19,327
either she was going to die if
she either did not get out or if

870
00:43:19,327 --> 00:43:20,028
she didn't fight.

871
00:43:20,028 --> 00:43:24,177
She was at a point where she
had no choice, she had to fight.

872
00:43:24,177 --> 00:43:27,539
You know, and really think I
mean obviously there's been a

873
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:33,936
build up to this point,
obviously there's been a

874
00:43:33,956 --> 00:43:34,697
build-up to this point.

875
00:43:34,697 --> 00:43:36,260
But I feel like it's after this
where you really feel joel and

876
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,405
ellie lock into that father and
daughter dynamic.

877
00:43:38,405 --> 00:43:41,581
There's always kind of been a
dynamic building up to it.

878
00:43:41,902 --> 00:43:44,411
Speaker 2: But like you really
really feel, because he embraces

879
00:43:44,411 --> 00:43:49,199
her and he calls her baby girl
yeah, and I think that the show

880
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,648
was more effective in getting us
to see that Ellie's going down

881
00:43:54,728 --> 00:43:56,731
a very dark path.

882
00:43:56,731 --> 00:44:00,224
Because you're killing so many
people in the game, you have to

883
00:44:00,264 --> 00:44:01,126
kill people, right?

884
00:44:01,126 --> 00:44:06,717
I feel like I play tons of
games where I kill people, but

885
00:44:07,217 --> 00:44:10,840
if I keep the killing to a
minimum, I feel better.

886
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,103
Right, like in Red Dead, I
generally don't kill random NPCs

887
00:44:15,103 --> 00:44:15,103
.

888
00:44:15,103 --> 00:44:19,246
I don't really rob the trains
unless I'm forced to.

889
00:44:19,246 --> 00:44:22,306
I don't rob the stagecoaches
unless I'm forced to.

890
00:44:22,306 --> 00:44:26,150
But, like, if I do something
and somebody's going to go rat

891
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:29,831
me out like they're an
eyewitness, I'm like, well'm

892
00:44:29,851 --> 00:44:31,994
gonna have to kill them, you
know, and I and I try and I

893
00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:35,746
don't even feel too bad about it
as I dump their body on on a on

894
00:44:35,746 --> 00:44:39,418
a campfire, like savagely, to
make sure there's no evidence.

895
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:41,384
Speaker 1: Oh man, so you're
taking snitches.

896
00:44:41,384 --> 00:44:44,358
Get stitches to the whole new,
new level oh yeah snitches get

897
00:44:44,438 --> 00:44:45,880
roasted oh, no, uh.

898
00:44:46,181 --> 00:44:48,945
Speaker 2: I, if I, if I have to
kill somebody in red dead, I'm

899
00:44:48,965 --> 00:44:50,387
going to burn them.

900
00:44:50,387 --> 00:44:52,289
You don't bring them to the
alligator.

901
00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:54,019
I will do that.

902
00:44:54,019 --> 00:44:58,346
I really don't want to turn
this into how many.

903
00:44:58,795 --> 00:44:59,820
Speaker 1: The Red Dead podcast.

904
00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:01,260
No, I get it.

905
00:45:02,518 --> 00:45:04,143
Speaker 2: But when you're
playing as Ellie and you're

906
00:45:04,163 --> 00:45:09,646
playing as Joel, there's nobody
really in the game that I feel

907
00:45:09,666 --> 00:45:14,076
like you kill and you really
terribly feel bad about, because

908
00:45:14,076 --> 00:45:17,724
even in the game, when you get
to the last, you know when

909
00:45:17,784 --> 00:45:21,099
Joel's about to break her out,
right when he figures out what's

910
00:45:21,099 --> 00:45:24,916
going on, you're like I gotta
get Ellie right, like that's

911
00:45:24,976 --> 00:45:26,202
what you're thinking as the
player.

912
00:45:27,034 --> 00:45:27,878
So I'm not.

913
00:45:27,878 --> 00:45:29,384
I'm like, yeah, I got some AKs.

914
00:45:29,384 --> 00:45:31,041
Now you know I'm excited about
that.

915
00:45:31,041 --> 00:45:31,501
So, yeah, I'm not.

916
00:45:31,501 --> 00:45:32,222
I'm like, yeah, I got some AKs.

917
00:45:32,222 --> 00:45:33,621
Now, you know, I'm excited
about that and I don't, I didn't

918
00:45:33,621 --> 00:45:36,702
feel bad about killing
everybody in that facility

919
00:45:36,742 --> 00:45:41,405
Because by that point in the
game I'm so connected to her and

920
00:45:41,405 --> 00:45:44,447
, right right, the show does a
really good job.

921
00:45:44,447 --> 00:45:49,449
I think of kind of
demonstrating how dark both of

922
00:45:49,509 --> 00:45:51,010
them are in a way that I don't.

923
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:53,891
I think of the nature of you
being the player.

924
00:45:53,891 --> 00:45:56,952
You don't feel that way right,
right, yeah.

925
00:45:57,152 --> 00:46:01,315
Speaker 1: So when you're
experiencing it it's easy to

926
00:46:01,356 --> 00:46:04,018
kind of glaze over stuff, but
when you're an actual like

927
00:46:04,179 --> 00:46:09,025
observer, you can always pick up
, like you know, any subtle

928
00:46:09,126 --> 00:46:16,697
nuances or anything that like
just the very smallest of like,

929
00:46:16,757 --> 00:46:17,559
just detail.

930
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:22,088
And that's why I say like joel
and ellie are very much so two

931
00:46:22,148 --> 00:46:26,639
sides of the same coin, except
one is a 14 year old girl and

932
00:46:26,659 --> 00:46:32,146
the other is a 36 year old man,
or in the show of 56 year old

933
00:46:32,206 --> 00:46:32,465
man.

934
00:46:32,465 --> 00:46:38,637
So it's we're no, he's 46 in in
the in the game, because it's

935
00:46:39,099 --> 00:46:43,407
it's 10 years later, yeah but
yeah, I really feel like one of

936
00:46:43,427 --> 00:46:43,996
the biggest things.

937
00:46:44,056 --> 00:46:47,221
So this game takes place in the
zombie apocalypse.

938
00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:52,068
You have zombies, clickers,
everything going on, but it's

939
00:46:52,108 --> 00:46:55,422
very much so like a backdrop to
this game.

940
00:46:55,422 --> 00:46:58,773
I feel like the biggest thing
about this game is that it's

941
00:46:58,793 --> 00:47:04,925
like found family ellie finds a
father figure and joel and joel

942
00:47:05,326 --> 00:47:08,637
almost gets like a second chance
in a way with having a daughter

943
00:47:08,637 --> 00:47:13,456
because she's about the same
age as his daughter when she got

944
00:47:13,456 --> 00:47:17,525
killed yeah, and I mean I've
always argued on both the show

945
00:47:17,545 --> 00:47:20,099
in the game that if the
fireflies had just talked to her

946
00:47:20,099 --> 00:47:24,876
beforehand, things would have
been wildly, wildly different oh

947
00:47:24,876 --> 00:47:28,304
, right, right, yeah, I guess
they didn't want to tell her the

948
00:47:28,304 --> 00:47:31,784
truth of the fact that, like
you know, she's gonna be killed.

949
00:47:31,804 --> 00:47:32,753
Essentially she's going to be
killed.

950
00:47:32,753 --> 00:47:35,746
Essentially she's going to be a
Guinea pig because they need to

951
00:47:35,746 --> 00:47:38,981
figure out, like, why her blood
is immune, like that.

952
00:47:38,981 --> 00:47:42,862
The whole point, pretty much
the game and the show, is you

953
00:47:42,922 --> 00:47:46,800
playing as Joel and sometimes
Ellie, you're bringing her to a

954
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:54,574
group of scientists with a group
called the fire flies, because

955
00:47:54,594 --> 00:47:56,498
Ellie is immune to the virus or
to the cordyceps, she's been

956
00:47:56,539 --> 00:48:01,887
bitten, she has not been turned,
and so you know, essentially

957
00:48:02,268 --> 00:48:05,663
she can be a little, she almost
can kind of be a little reckless

958
00:48:05,663 --> 00:48:05,663
.

959
00:48:05,663 --> 00:48:08,518
I mean not too reckless in the
sense that you could still get

960
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,936
killed, but like it doesn't
matter if she gets bit, because

961
00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:15,284
she's not gonna, unless she's
get she has a jugular torn out.

962
00:48:15,284 --> 00:48:19,018
If she gets bit on the ankle,
nowhere serious, I mean she's

963
00:48:19,057 --> 00:48:22,505
not gonna turn yeah, and I mean
it's.

964
00:48:22,746 --> 00:48:25,077
Speaker 2: I mean I've always
obviously that they need to

965
00:48:25,097 --> 00:48:28,411
structure that way so that she
has a reason to be angry at joel

966
00:48:28,411 --> 00:48:29,173
, you know.

967
00:48:29,173 --> 00:48:33,054
But I won't lie, I've never
thought that joel made the wrong

968
00:48:33,054 --> 00:48:34,980
decision right.

969
00:48:35,059 --> 00:48:37,485
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was
actually gonna ask you like at

970
00:48:37,505 --> 00:48:40,199
the end of the show and end of
the game, yeah, you bust in

971
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,648
through the firefly hospital
after turning her over, after

972
00:48:43,795 --> 00:48:46,827
you know you find out, you know
he's on his way out, you know he

973
00:48:46,827 --> 00:48:48,074
gets everything he wants.

974
00:48:48,074 --> 00:48:51,219
He's got his car, he's got his
supplies, he's about to head out

975
00:48:51,219 --> 00:48:53,925
, but then he finds out that
ellie is going to get killed in

976
00:48:53,965 --> 00:48:58,119
this process and so, yeah, he
goes in guns blazing, you go in

977
00:48:58,159 --> 00:48:58,900
guns blazing.

978
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:01,911
I like I said I personally
don't think.

979
00:49:02,052 --> 00:49:05,041
Yeah, like I understand, and
it's a, it's like a

980
00:49:05,101 --> 00:49:07,387
philosophical conundrum, you
know.

981
00:49:07,387 --> 00:49:09,376
It's like are you going to save
the one, are you going to save

982
00:49:09,416 --> 00:49:09,797
the many?

983
00:49:09,896 --> 00:49:13,784
Speaker 2: right, but the thing
is, see there's a moral thing,

984
00:49:14,043 --> 00:49:14,965
yeah, but there's.

985
00:49:14,965 --> 00:49:19,079
There's no guarantee that
that's even the case right,

986
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,722
right, like there's no guarantee
.

987
00:49:21,143 --> 00:49:24,757
Look, I don't want to tell you
that I would easily subscribe to

988
00:49:24,757 --> 00:49:27,041
my son being killed for
medicine, right?

989
00:49:27,041 --> 00:49:32,251
But if I knew, if I knew they
were like you know, this is a

990
00:49:32,371 --> 00:49:36,842
thousand percent sure they were
killing her so that they could

991
00:49:36,943 --> 00:49:41,876
possibly like, why didn't you
run some tests, like I mean, you

992
00:49:41,876 --> 00:49:46,451
know it, the I think also, and
I mean it's, you know, due to

993
00:49:46,471 --> 00:49:47,775
video games and timing, right?

994
00:49:48,255 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: yeah, that that was
my thought too, in a way like,

995
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:50,961
why is it she runs?

996
00:49:50,961 --> 00:49:52,425
Did you really have to take all
the blood?

997
00:49:52,425 --> 00:49:53,646
Yeah, like to like figure this
out.

998
00:49:53,646 --> 00:49:58,461
Could you not like, dude, you
can take enough blood from

999
00:49:58,541 --> 00:49:59,063
somebody.

1000
00:49:59,063 --> 00:50:03,135
I mean, if they could take bags
of blood off of you to like

1001
00:50:03,175 --> 00:50:07,621
donate to people, they could do
the same process, to like figure

1002
00:50:07,621 --> 00:50:13,070
out a you know, I guess like
figure out a way to like build

1003
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:17,762
up this immunity or this cure,
and it doesn't happen.

1004
00:50:17,762 --> 00:50:20,768
It doesn't have to happen all
at once.

1005
00:50:20,768 --> 00:50:24,001
Like take a bunch of bags, give
her some time to rest, you know

1006
00:50:24,001 --> 00:50:27,456
obviously, build up her blood
again and then just like, do you

1007
00:50:27,456 --> 00:50:28,117
know, do it again.

1008
00:50:28,358 --> 00:50:30,481
Speaker 2: Maybe look for more
people who are immune I think,

1009
00:50:30,521 --> 00:50:33,688
if I remember it had something
to do with them, like needing to

1010
00:50:33,688 --> 00:50:35,291
, like, split her brain apart.

1011
00:50:36,052 --> 00:50:37,155
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right
.

1012
00:50:37,456 --> 00:50:39,842
Speaker 2: I think that might
have been the case, but I'm sure

1013
00:50:39,842 --> 00:50:42,956
that like it's been a while,
but I'm sure that they, like you

1014
00:50:42,956 --> 00:50:46,824
said could have you know spent
some days analyzing blood,

1015
00:50:47,164 --> 00:50:50,518
because yeah you know, our
immunity and our white cell

1016
00:50:50,539 --> 00:50:52,425
blood count is in the blood,
right.

1017
00:50:52,425 --> 00:50:55,362
So maybe in synthesize right
there could have been something

1018
00:50:55,382 --> 00:50:55,762
like that.

1019
00:50:55,762 --> 00:50:59,619
But that's always been a point
of contention I had with the

1020
00:50:59,699 --> 00:51:03,628
game and obviously the show
followed suit because they can't

1021
00:51:03,628 --> 00:51:06,161
do anything differently, but
that's always been one thing

1022
00:51:06,201 --> 00:51:06,943
that just bugged me.

1023
00:51:06,983 --> 00:51:10,306
Speaker 1: It's like if they
just ran tests or, you know, if

1024
00:51:10,347 --> 00:51:13,298
it was just presented in a
slightly different way yeah, I

1025
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,753
agree, I think that blood tests
would have saved a lot, but then

1026
00:51:18,753 --> 00:51:23,402
something that happens at the
end of the show and game sets

1027
00:51:23,463 --> 00:51:26,315
you up for pretty much the
entirety of like the next game

1028
00:51:27,458 --> 00:51:31,925
yeah, I mean yeah, and you know
we'll talk about that another

1029
00:51:31,965 --> 00:51:35,438
day, because that's a whole yes,
that's yeah yeah, we're, we're

1030
00:51:35,478 --> 00:51:36,461
waiting for we.

1031
00:51:36,501 --> 00:51:39,510
We got the the last of us,
season two.

1032
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:43,298
That pretty much played out
like exactly like the game you

1033
00:51:43,338 --> 00:51:46,947
get ellie's point of view and
then you're gonna get the other,

1034
00:51:46,947 --> 00:51:50,750
I guess, protagonist point of
view for season three and then

1035
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:52,356
that'll wrap up that whole thing
.

1036
00:51:52,356 --> 00:51:55,001
But yeah, man, the last of us.

1037
00:51:55,001 --> 00:51:59,396
I really do think that they did
a really good job on this first

1038
00:51:59,396 --> 00:52:04,570
season just portraying the
characters building the world.

1039
00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:06,414
You know it's really important,
right?

1040
00:52:06,414 --> 00:52:09,240
You know, if you have a game
that's really story-driven, that

1041
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,686
builds the world, you have to
do a really good job if you're

1042
00:52:12,706 --> 00:52:13,789
going to rehash that.

1043
00:52:13,789 --> 00:52:17,362
And then it's okay that they
took some liberties to add to

1044
00:52:17,402 --> 00:52:17,885
the lore.

1045
00:52:17,885 --> 00:52:21,420
Right, we got some of these
extra scenes that explained a

1046
00:52:21,461 --> 00:52:25,599
lot of the background stuff and
the origin, just a lot of this

1047
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:27,003
extra stuff that was added.

1048
00:52:27,003 --> 00:52:28,862
I really enjoy that.

1049
00:52:30,438 --> 00:52:32,324
Speaker 2: I think it's Naught
naughty dog that makes this game

1050
00:52:32,324 --> 00:52:35,045
yes, um or or.

1051
00:52:35,186 --> 00:52:35,989
Speaker 1: There's a you know,
are you?

1052
00:52:36,009 --> 00:52:36,831
Speaker 2: talking about the
last of us.

1053
00:52:36,831 --> 00:52:38,677
Well, yeah, I was thinking
about another game.

1054
00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:42,365
Uh, days gone by, I don't know
if you ever got a chance to play

1055
00:52:42,365 --> 00:52:42,847
it basically.

1056
00:52:42,847 --> 00:52:43,737
So it's sam witwer.

1057
00:52:43,737 --> 00:52:46,344
To reference him again for the
second time, he's the main

1058
00:52:46,364 --> 00:52:49,260
character and it's basically a
zombie apocalypse.

1059
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:53,074
But it's a guy in a motorcycle
and you can upgrade your

1060
00:52:53,094 --> 00:52:56,121
motorcycle and stuff like that,
and there's hordes and it's

1061
00:52:56,202 --> 00:52:56,822
crazy.

1062
00:52:56,822 --> 00:53:02,380
And seeing how well this show
was produced, I would almost

1063
00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:06,728
hope that at some point, uh, we
could see something like that,

1064
00:53:06,809 --> 00:53:11,528
because that game has some crazy
set pieces with hordes coming

1065
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:15,539
after you, and I think it would
be really cool to see the minds

1066
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,266
behind this show dabble there.

1067
00:53:18,365 --> 00:53:20,998
Speaker 1: But that'll that
probably won't happen so that

1068
00:53:21,077 --> 00:53:24,626
that was developed by bend
studio bend, all right so so

1069
00:53:24,646 --> 00:53:28,740
yeah, no, not naughty dog,
naughty dog games have kind of

1070
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,449
similar gameplay, not not so
much jack and daxter, but I

1071
00:53:32,469 --> 00:53:36,204
don't know if you see like the
similarities between uncharted

1072
00:53:36,646 --> 00:53:37,568
and the last of us.

1073
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:41,503
I love some of the gunplay is
very similar, although the

1074
00:53:41,923 --> 00:53:44,492
difficulty in the last of us is
tweaked a little bit more

1075
00:53:44,574 --> 00:53:47,864
because you know they want
things to be scarce and then you

1076
00:53:47,864 --> 00:53:49,588
have to kind of like build
things.

1077
00:53:49,588 --> 00:53:53,262
And I like that whole dynamic
of like building and improving

1078
00:53:53,302 --> 00:53:53,945
your weapons.

1079
00:53:54,005 --> 00:53:56,233
Speaker 2: You know, like with
mix shifts, silencers and

1080
00:53:56,293 --> 00:53:59,463
whatnot yeah, no, I really enjoy
that part of the game as well.

1081
00:53:59,463 --> 00:54:02,840
I mean, I do play it on a
fairly low difficulty because at

1082
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,887
this advanced stage I don't
have time for the anger stress

1083
00:54:06,096 --> 00:54:09,427
you know like dude, I mean
honestly at this point, like a

1084
00:54:09,467 --> 00:54:12,376
lot of people, if you just want
to enjoy the story you don't

1085
00:54:12,396 --> 00:54:14,382
really have to like worry about
that.

1086
00:54:14,422 --> 00:54:18,014
Speaker 1: Like dude, you know,
achievement hunting and trophy

1087
00:54:18,114 --> 00:54:19,699
hunting, man, that's a young
man's game.

1088
00:54:19,699 --> 00:54:21,242
Yeah, no not all the time.

1089
00:54:21,242 --> 00:54:23,818
But you know, I know some older
folk that actually like to

1090
00:54:23,858 --> 00:54:24,400
trophy hunt.

1091
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,565
But you know what?

1092
00:54:25,606 --> 00:54:26,992
Speaker 2: I mean my son is
gonna play.

1093
00:54:26,992 --> 00:54:29,820
Nobody's judging my son's about
to like try to play Ghost of

1094
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,842
Tsushima on.

1095
00:54:30,842 --> 00:54:33,538
Like you know, he beat the game
, so he's into like a new game

1096
00:54:33,577 --> 00:54:36,744
plus on like harder difficulty
and I was like, all right, man.

1097
00:54:37,206 --> 00:54:40,059
Speaker 1: God bless, there's
like no UI or anything on that.

1098
00:54:40,059 --> 00:54:41,224
Yeah, that's tough.

1099
00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:42,487
Speaker 2: I'm like good luck,
buddy, good luck.

1100
00:54:46,581 --> 00:54:49,704
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not
something I do anymore nice, but

1101
00:54:49,704 --> 00:54:53,115
yeah, I mean I think that that
we're essentially at the point

1102
00:54:53,175 --> 00:54:56,362
of the podcast where we can kind
of unwind.

1103
00:54:56,523 --> 00:54:59,369
Speaker 2: I don't know if you
had any more, uh, anything else

1104
00:54:59,394 --> 00:55:03,824
you wanted to add or whatnot
well, I guess the only thing I

1105
00:55:03,844 --> 00:55:07,556
would add is, I know everybody
was very excited that we got a

1106
00:55:07,597 --> 00:55:10,744
last of us 2 video game and we
got the matching show.

1107
00:55:10,744 --> 00:55:16,106
But I think there's such wildly
different experiences, part,

1108
00:55:16,126 --> 00:55:19,755
you know, the first game I, I
you know didn't want to keep

1109
00:55:19,795 --> 00:55:22,922
playing the second game, so I'll
leave it there.

1110
00:55:22,922 --> 00:55:26,476
Uh, there, you know, I was kind
of like, oh, I don't want to do

1111
00:55:26,476 --> 00:55:30,204
this and it almost felt like a
chore, but I kept going anyway

1112
00:55:30,724 --> 00:55:34,438
and it'll be interesting to me
to see how the fandom reacts.

1113
00:55:34,438 --> 00:55:38,927
That's not the game player,
because you know the as you

1114
00:55:38,967 --> 00:55:39,407
talked about.

1115
00:55:39,427 --> 00:55:41,458
You referenced the shift in
protagonist.

1116
00:55:41,458 --> 00:55:46,748
I was like, no, but there was,
there was nothing to do, right,

1117
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:49,762
if you wanted to finish the game
, you had to play as a

1118
00:55:49,802 --> 00:55:50,445
protagonist.

1119
00:55:50,445 --> 00:55:56,460
And I think that, because it's
a video game, you kind of just

1120
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,726
choose to keep going, right,
right.

1121
00:55:59,726 --> 00:56:02,938
I don't know what happens if
people tune into season three

1122
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,724
and they get this new
protagonist who they would

1123
00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:12,384
presumably dislike well, I mean,
I think they kind of set people

1124
00:56:12,384 --> 00:56:14,516
up for that a little bit
towards the end.

1125
00:56:14,677 --> 00:56:17,643
Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll
definitely get to that when you

1126
00:56:17,684 --> 00:56:21,798
know, we'll cover the last of us
too and we'll talk about the

1127
00:56:21,858 --> 00:56:25,706
seasons, that kind of like
connect with it and how you know

1128
00:56:25,706 --> 00:56:25,706
.

1129
00:56:25,706 --> 00:56:29,121
I mean, yeah, the second game,
it was definitely controversial

1130
00:56:29,943 --> 00:56:31,346
and so it was interesting.

1131
00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:33,460
It was like, you know, knowing
that, it's like how are you guys

1132
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:34,965
going to set it up, because
there's a lot of people who

1133
00:56:34,994 --> 00:56:38,086
don't play the games, who don't
even go to watch the games.

1134
00:56:38,086 --> 00:56:39,612
Like how are you going to react
?

1135
00:56:39,612 --> 00:56:43,226
Because, you know, coming in
five years later, like you know,

1136
00:56:43,226 --> 00:56:44,670
we I knew this happened.

1137
00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:47,358
You know a lot of stuff
happened five years later or

1138
00:56:47,498 --> 00:56:47,920
earlier.

1139
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,284
Speaker 2: So, and that's the
other part of it.

1140
00:56:50,405 --> 00:56:52,556
Speaker 1: It's the weight, and
so that was my thought with the

1141
00:56:52,617 --> 00:56:56,532
first game too was like I knew
some of the story beats and I

1142
00:56:56,552 --> 00:56:58,938
was like man, I wonder like how
people are going to react to

1143
00:56:58,978 --> 00:57:04,574
this, because to me I enjoy the
story bet of the last of us more

1144
00:57:04,574 --> 00:57:05,556
than the walking dead.

1145
00:57:05,556 --> 00:57:08,481
But then again I only stopped
at like season four.

1146
00:57:08,481 --> 00:57:10,123
I just I couldn't go any
further.

1147
00:57:10,123 --> 00:57:14,070
But yeah, last thoughts on the
Last of Us game and TV show.

1148
00:57:14,896 --> 00:57:16,141
Speaker 2: Both highly
recommended.

1149
00:57:16,141 --> 00:57:19,005
I would do the game first.

1150
00:57:19,005 --> 00:57:20,239
It's a different experience.

1151
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:25,277
I'm always a sucker for the
original, so I don't think

1152
00:57:25,617 --> 00:57:28,405
there's anything they could have
done in the show to get me to

1153
00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:30,918
tell you that the show is better
, that it's just not going to

1154
00:57:30,958 --> 00:57:31,201
happen.

1155
00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:40,581
I love the game, but they did a
really good job of adapting it

1156
00:57:40,601 --> 00:57:41,143
and, uh, I think it's highly.

1157
00:57:41,143 --> 00:57:41,385
It's better.

1158
00:57:41,385 --> 00:57:43,152
It's definitely better than
naughty dog's other adaptation,

1159
00:57:43,213 --> 00:57:46,360
because I did not like the
casting of uncharted, so I

1160
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:49,835
thought they did a much better
job here right, yeah, no, no, I

1161
00:57:49,876 --> 00:57:50,219
agree.

1162
00:57:50,702 --> 00:57:53,838
Speaker 1: And then just one
last thing before and this just

1163
00:57:53,898 --> 00:57:56,664
kind of popped up into my head
before I I put my two cents

1164
00:57:56,746 --> 00:57:57,327
between the game.

1165
00:57:57,327 --> 00:58:02,507
Something else that they added
to the show that was originally

1166
00:58:02,568 --> 00:58:07,018
dlc to the game was the left
behind the um, the relationship

1167
00:58:07,059 --> 00:58:11,889
between ellie and riley yep and
so like that.

1168
00:58:11,951 --> 00:58:14,976
You know they made that a whole
episode and that was pretty much

1169
00:58:14,976 --> 00:58:19,626
dlc for the game, so they they
incorporated that story into the

1170
00:58:19,626 --> 00:58:22,826
show also yeah, I thought they
did a good job with that too,

1171
00:58:23,067 --> 00:58:25,235
because I think it just fleshes
out the world a little bit

1172
00:58:25,255 --> 00:58:28,121
better no, yeah, no, I agree, I
agree.

1173
00:58:28,181 --> 00:58:31,788
And then the minor little scenes
on the background that I have

1174
00:58:31,967 --> 00:58:35,961
for me this week is the scene
with ellie and joel and they

1175
00:58:36,003 --> 00:58:37,284
come across some giraffes.

1176
00:58:37,284 --> 00:58:38,934
They had that in the show.

1177
00:58:38,934 --> 00:58:42,603
I like it when they add even
like the minor scenes that are

1178
00:58:42,764 --> 00:58:44,387
impactful to the relationship.

1179
00:58:44,387 --> 00:58:47,619
It really helps with that
gradual build that they have

1180
00:58:47,739 --> 00:58:51,646
between ellie and joel as pseudo
father and daughter.

1181
00:58:51,646 --> 00:58:54,735
But, yeah, no, I, I agree with
you.

1182
00:58:54,735 --> 00:58:57,822
I I definitely agree with you
with the show.

1183
00:58:57,822 --> 00:58:58,702
It's a great watch.

1184
00:58:59,505 --> 00:59:03,900
The game is a really good
experience and it is, I would

1185
00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:08,233
agree, with playing the game,
because you go from becoming a

1186
00:59:08,313 --> 00:59:12,144
casual observer to being an
actual participant when you play

1187
00:59:12,144 --> 00:59:12,545
the game.

1188
00:59:12,545 --> 00:59:16,655
So the dynamic is different,
the experience is different, but

1189
00:59:16,655 --> 00:59:21,724
I do feel like a lot of the
emotional impact remains because

1190
00:59:21,724 --> 00:59:24,789
you still have those major
story beats that are important.

1191
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:30,184
But I give a double thumbs up
for the game and a double thumbs

1192
00:59:30,184 --> 00:59:33,516
up for the show because they do
a good job for both.

1193
00:59:33,516 --> 00:59:37,806
And then, yeah, you had the
showrunner and the game director

1194
00:59:37,806 --> 00:59:42,442
working close together, so you
know that that's important yeah,

1195
00:59:42,442 --> 00:59:46,177
definitely agree, and I give
them high marks for both all

1196
00:59:46,217 --> 00:59:46,757
righty well.

1197
00:59:46,818 --> 00:59:51,387
Thank you for joining us here
for episode 130 of Project

1198
00:59:51,547 --> 00:59:55,541
Geekology and, if you want to
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1200
01:00:00,436 --> 01:00:07,528
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1201
01:00:07,608 --> 01:00:12,224
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1202
01:00:12,264 --> 01:00:13,976
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01:00:13,976 --> 01:00:19,230
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1205
01:00:23,059 --> 01:00:28,047
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1206
01:00:28,088 --> 01:00:28,429
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1207
01:00:28,429 --> 01:00:33,719
So I hope you all have a great
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1208
01:00:33,739 --> 01:00:37,121
know what our next episode is
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1209
01:00:37,161 --> 01:00:37,603
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1210
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