WEBVTT 00:00:00.700 --> 00:00:02.584 Stop your grinning and drop your linen. 00:00:02.584 --> 00:00:07.014 Welcome back to Project Geekology, episode 132. 00:00:07.014 --> 00:00:11.090 We're covering aliens Plural, multiple aliens. 00:00:11.090 --> 00:00:13.105 I started this with a line from the film. 00:00:13.105 --> 00:00:16.353 I know it's a little crass, but I felt it was in good fun. 00:00:16.353 --> 00:00:21.893 Guys, I'm really excited to dive back into the world of Alien. 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:34.551 My name is Dakota and I am joined as always with Anthony, it's game over, man, it's game over and we are joined, as always, with Rich. 00:00:35.100 --> 00:00:38.810 I am just so excited to talk about a bad guy, Paul Reiser. 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:41.284 Just shocking, shocking information, guys. 00:00:41.966 --> 00:00:44.552 It had to happen, had to happen eventually, yeah. 00:00:44.552 --> 00:00:47.762 So this is a very different movie from the last one. 00:00:47.762 --> 00:00:58.232 Last time the three of us were together we were discussing the almost lovecraftian horror, the fear of the unknown, which is ridley scott's first alien movie. 00:00:58.232 --> 00:01:08.123 And this is a very different movie by a very different director, but a director that kind of gels well within this universe that Ridley Scott helped create. 00:01:08.123 --> 00:01:10.750 This one is helmed by James Cameron. 00:01:10.750 --> 00:01:19.287 I'm a big fan of James Cameron's, this very, very different director, and you know he has his strengths and he has his weaknesses, and I think both of them are on display in this movie. 00:01:19.287 --> 00:01:26.548 But at the end of the day, I think it's safe to say that James Cameron knows how to show you a good time, no matter what. 00:01:26.548 --> 00:01:30.634 You're going to be incredibly engrossed in what's happening on screen. 00:01:31.174 --> 00:01:31.715 Hey everyone. 00:01:31.715 --> 00:01:45.313 This is Future Anthony, and if you want to skip the what we've been up to discussion, head on over to eight minutes and four seconds, and that is when the main discussion begins, rich what the heck have you been up to lately? 00:01:45.756 --> 00:02:08.242 well, uh, I would say that last week I kind of uh hit the ground running because I started coaching cross-country track last week and we started school this week, so kind of been taking up a lot of my time, but of course, uh as as we spoke about off-air I'm still continuing my pursuit of finishing smallville as quickly as possible. 00:02:08.242 --> 00:02:09.444 So I'm in season eight. 00:02:09.444 --> 00:02:21.723 I will uh just just tell loyal listeners, guys, I still feel that lana's the villain, so one day we'll circle back to this, but lana lang, one day is the villain of smallville. 00:02:21.723 --> 00:02:24.409 But what have, uh, you been up to this week? 00:02:25.231 --> 00:02:35.325 I'm gonna just, you know, rebuff that just a little bit, because I think Rich is the only person in existence who has this particular outlook on Smallville. 00:02:35.325 --> 00:02:37.104 But you know, it's a fresh one. 00:02:37.104 --> 00:02:43.526 There's no such thing as bad opinions, but there are wrong ones in my book. 00:02:43.526 --> 00:02:44.950 Anyway, anthony, what are you what? 00:02:44.971 --> 00:02:47.022 do you think that's the other way around dakota? 00:02:48.044 --> 00:02:52.294 they're definitely bad opinions listen when you, when you guys get to season eight. 00:02:52.294 --> 00:02:57.852 All right, come back to me tell me that you don't come back, she's the look, look. 00:02:57.931 --> 00:02:59.801 I was at season eight at one point in my life. 00:02:59.801 --> 00:03:08.705 Okay, and season nine and season 10, all right all right, all right enough with the the pissing contest anthony, what have you been up to? 00:03:09.567 --> 00:03:11.292 I have been up to. 00:03:11.292 --> 00:03:13.016 What have I been up to? 00:03:13.016 --> 00:03:18.086 Well, actually, I've kind of been doing some professional stuff. 00:03:18.086 --> 00:03:32.813 So this week my job is kind of doing a test run, of trying to like prove to our higher ups that we need to like keep some of our contractors on like full time, because if we don't have them then the queue will be gone. 00:03:32.813 --> 00:03:42.192 So they took five of us out of the queue for this week just to like test that theory and I would say so far, like it's kind of proven them right that we do need them. 00:03:42.192 --> 00:03:53.806 You know, because if they go, like in january, we'll kind of get, like you know, swamped, particularly, you know, like on like earlier in the weeks, like monday or tuesdays, if we were off for a holiday. 00:03:53.885 --> 00:04:01.186 But but yeah, so I've been kind of taking this opportunity to kind of work on some certifications that I've been wanting to do. 00:04:01.186 --> 00:04:05.455 Right now I'm working on one called the AZ-900. 00:04:05.455 --> 00:04:08.068 It's just like the Azure fundamentals. 00:04:08.068 --> 00:04:25.723 Azure is a cloud system that businesses use for various different things, for whatever it is that they need, and I know that my job, the bank, we use Azure for various different things profiles and whatnot. 00:04:25.803 --> 00:04:38.411 But so I've been trying to kind of like work on getting certifications, kind of build up my knowledge base and, you know, kind of bolster up what I know and you know I'm getting the experience. 00:04:38.411 --> 00:04:40.062 So now I want to get the certifications. 00:04:40.062 --> 00:04:42.872 I kind of backed that up and you know you can start to command a bit more money when you start getting that stuff in. 00:04:42.872 --> 00:04:46.024 I mean you know you can start to command a bit more money when you start getting that stuff in. 00:04:46.024 --> 00:05:03.319 I mean you would know, dakota, like you had worked on something recently, kind of not really in a similar vein, but like you know, just kind of like trying to get to the next level and I know that that that helps out with pay the journeyman right yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:03.762 Yeah. 00:05:03.762 --> 00:05:05.307 I was dragging my head like what did I do? 00:05:05.307 --> 00:05:24.088 Did you ever hear back from that you never like told us oh, I, I passed, I passed, okay, yeah, yeah, I know you said you felt like you did I passed, yeah, um, and I'm pretty sure I got the score that I thought I got, which I'm happy about sweet so yeah, I've been. 00:05:24.269 --> 00:05:43.863 I'm kind of like mapping out what I want to do and you know I'm working towards that and my supervisors they said that, like you know, like hey, look, if the director kind of sees that you're working on these different certifications and they see that you're trying to improve yourself, they may actually offer to pay for you to take these certification tests. 00:05:43.863 --> 00:06:03.401 Because, like you know, some of these tests I don't know if the I'm pretty sure the one that you took probably cost money, but some of these certifications they cost anywhere from you know like a hundred dollars to you know a few or so hundred dollars, a couple hundred dollars, yeah, certifications yeah, so it's no joke. 00:06:03.802 --> 00:06:05.747 So, yeah, no, I'm, I'm working on that. 00:06:05.747 --> 00:06:15.324 Obviously, before I actually take the test I'm gonna do example tests and whatnot to kind of feel better about taking the actual test before I spend the money. 00:06:15.324 --> 00:06:21.963 But it'll be cool if I do get kind of backed by my job to cover, you know, some of the certifications. 00:06:21.963 --> 00:06:23.045 That'd be awesome. 00:06:23.045 --> 00:06:28.954 But really that's mostly what I've been working on, aside from just watching aliens. 00:06:28.954 --> 00:06:38.413 And you know, just on my one piece trek I had taken a couple weeks off of of one piece but I've been hopping back on it again rich is shaking his head. 00:06:38.500 --> 00:06:43.672 He can't believe anyone would take a break from a tv show right, yeah, yeah. 00:06:43.672 --> 00:06:48.642 Well, you know, that's why you can't start one piece, otherwise he, he's, uh, you know. 00:06:48.682 --> 00:06:53.271 Yeah, man, I'm sorry I can't hold on to something like that. 00:06:53.271 --> 00:06:54.160 I like to go out my. 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:55.502 I like to save her. 00:06:55.502 --> 00:06:58.629 I'm not racing like for what you know. 00:06:58.629 --> 00:07:01.983 So flash baby, that's my thing, man he's like the flash man. 00:07:02.343 --> 00:07:05.952 That's awesome bro, but yeah um, this isn't a bad thing. 00:07:05.952 --> 00:07:07.845 It happens regularly on my job. 00:07:07.845 --> 00:07:14.283 But I got laid off so I am a free agent for a little while, so I have a little time off of work. 00:07:14.283 --> 00:07:17.622 As an electrician especially a union electrician this isn't really a big deal. 00:07:17.622 --> 00:07:19.853 Eventually I'll get picked up by another company. 00:07:19.853 --> 00:07:29.733 Sometimes it's a longer wait than other times, but, uh, it's a good opportunity for me to catch up on some of my work online, which I've kind of put on the back burner a little bit while I've been at work. 00:07:29.733 --> 00:07:30.675 So that's a good thing. 00:07:30.675 --> 00:07:41.975 But because I am off, I am doing an impromptu trip tomorrow morning to Miami, florida, because my grandmother's in the hospital. 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:43.482 Oh, thank you. 00:07:43.482 --> 00:07:44.771 Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that man. 00:07:44.790 --> 00:07:45.132 Thank you. 00:07:45.132 --> 00:07:47.987 Yeah, I'm going to be down there for a couple days. 00:07:47.987 --> 00:07:51.805 It's not going to be like a fun trip, it's just going to be family and stuff. 00:07:51.805 --> 00:07:55.920 So, anthony, if I have some free time I will hit you up, but if not, please don't feel bad. 00:07:56.721 --> 00:07:59.122 No, no, no, yeah, man. 00:07:59.122 --> 00:08:02.685 Well, you know, you know, I know how you feel. 00:08:02.685 --> 00:08:05.908 Absolutely yeah, man, it is Family. 00:08:06.749 --> 00:08:07.329 It is what it is. 00:08:07.329 --> 00:08:16.235 But, guys, I think enough time has passed and we better get back, because it'll be dark soon and they mostly come out at night. 00:08:16.235 --> 00:08:19.016 Mostly we need to talk about aliens. 00:08:19.016 --> 00:08:24.540 I don't know if you guys caught that, it's one of my favorite quotes from Aliens Newt. 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:27.742 Scamander, alien the newt skimander, yep, newt skimander. 00:08:28.605 --> 00:08:44.868 what are our thoughts on aliens, folks, anthony, let's start with you well, this, this movie, I mean, like you said, it's a lot different you go from we went from a horror movie to an action movie and it's a complete 180. 00:08:44.888 --> 00:08:45.870 Yeah, right, right, yeah, it's. 00:08:45.870 --> 00:08:46.981 It's completely different. 00:08:46.981 --> 00:09:08.152 You go from the, the slow, gradual build-up, to the reveal an alien to, you know, space marines kind of you know just shooting a bunch of these xenomorphs see, and then so this one, that this is where you get the name xenomorph yeah, they actually say they didn't really explain why they called it a xenomorph. 00:09:08.373 --> 00:09:21.741 I'm reading the novelization now so that I can try to make sense out of how they came up with the name, because it's such a strange name to just start calling this species that nobody except ripley, at least in this like sphere, has seen. 00:09:21.741 --> 00:09:27.081 You know like I'm very confused about it, so I'm right to see what's what. 00:09:27.121 --> 00:09:33.341 What well it would make sense down the line when you actually get to the part where you see them. 00:09:33.341 --> 00:09:41.365 You know, like in other movies where I mean you kind of talked a little bit about it, where you start to see different types of xenomorphs. 00:09:41.365 --> 00:09:52.201 So that's where it makes sense, you know, because the xeno kind of being like alien, and then the morph, you know, for obvious reasons yeah but yeah, I get what you're coming from. 00:09:52.741 --> 00:10:16.784 I guess maybe they're saying it because of how they, you know, how they kind of like come from the face hugger to impregnate into a person and I guess they kind of morph into a humanoid type of creature, unless there's knowledge that isn't explained like meta or outside knowledge that is not explained in this movie. 00:10:16.784 --> 00:10:18.008 But it's interesting. 00:10:18.008 --> 00:10:28.648 When I was watching this movie I was like, yeah, the movie starship troopers definitely got inspiration from this movie, definitely got inspiration from this movie. 00:10:29.041 --> 00:10:30.606 The Marines were like the same. 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.466 You know I was like OK, like I was like man. 00:10:33.466 --> 00:10:37.284 Why does this feel so like familiar and like that's what. 00:10:37.284 --> 00:10:38.349 That's where I got it? 00:10:38.349 --> 00:10:41.389 I was like OK, so they pulled a bit from this. 00:10:41.389 --> 00:10:43.504 So it was interesting. 00:10:43.504 --> 00:10:49.312 Man Ripley is just like she's's a badass in all these movies. 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:51.466 In pretty much all respects yeah. 00:10:51.466 --> 00:10:54.249 Rich you were going to say something about the Xenomorph. 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:55.543 Didn't, ripley. 00:10:55.543 --> 00:11:00.480 So I know it was in that dream and I don't believe this was revisited. 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:22.701 But when she was in the dream before the xenomorph pops out of her stomach, she's talking to the paul reiser guy and he says that well, you've been asleep for 57 years yeah right, and I know that she snapped out of the dream sequence, but I took it to be that she's been asleep for 57 years. 00:11:22.761 --> 00:11:29.850 so we do find out that he knows about this alien and wanted to bring it back, essentially for the company again. 00:11:29.850 --> 00:11:36.048 So I think that they would have developed a name for it, like at least the company has a name for it. 00:11:36.509 --> 00:11:40.931 Right, I guess the in-film logic I'm trying to understand. 00:11:40.931 --> 00:11:46.270 By the way, 57 years thing is the canonical time jump between film. 00:11:46.410 --> 00:11:47.653 Yeah, so it is. 00:11:47.653 --> 00:11:50.164 That is to be taken as factual. 00:11:50.164 --> 00:12:00.393 They explore that more in the in the novel and I believe that they explore it more in the special edition which adds, like I think, 15 to 20 minutes oh uh, footage. 00:12:00.393 --> 00:12:05.275 So I'll watch that and get back to you guys when we cover aliens 3 next. 00:12:05.275 --> 00:12:08.323 But the in-film logic behind the name xenomorph. 00:12:08.625 --> 00:12:17.301 She does explain herself a couple times to, or like plenty of times to that tribunal that they have basically incriminating her for the destruction of the stroma. 00:12:17.301 --> 00:12:18.745 And they don't believe her. 00:12:18.745 --> 00:12:20.448 They don't, but that's the thing. 00:12:20.448 --> 00:12:22.179 They don't believe her about the alien. 00:12:22.179 --> 00:12:24.605 There's no evidence of this existing so. 00:12:24.605 --> 00:12:35.311 So in the novelization they claim that someone tampered with the files or, like Ripley believes someone tampered with the files because there should be plenty of documentation of this thing on board, which there was. 00:12:35.311 --> 00:12:38.349 But whatever, they don't really show that in the movie. 00:12:38.349 --> 00:12:39.303 Anyhow. 00:12:39.303 --> 00:12:47.240 That's why I'm a little bit confused about why they suddenly have a name for it, because if they didn't believe her, but then they, I guess they had to have believed her when they went back to the planet. 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.006 You know, it's just interesting. 00:12:49.006 --> 00:12:50.625 Yeah, I want to, I want an explanation. 00:12:50.625 --> 00:12:53.384 I don't currently, I don't know, that's what's eating me away. 00:12:53.485 --> 00:12:54.528 Good, I wouldn't. 00:12:54.528 --> 00:12:56.600 I guess you know what it is. 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:05.592 I think that I watch so many movies like this that I will for some reason explain away something pretty quickly. 00:13:05.592 --> 00:13:08.682 I'm like, oh all right, cool, just with these action movies. 00:13:08.682 --> 00:13:26.821 Like, if you just give me a little nugget, I'll kind of like, because in my head, like paul reiser's character is like part of like the you know r and d or whatever, like he's on a mission from like that not everybody knows about, so I could see how the tribunal would be. 00:13:26.821 --> 00:13:30.235 Like we don't know what you're talking about, but you know he does. 00:13:30.235 --> 00:13:35.232 Like they've been doing secret testing or something in the span could be 57 years. 00:13:35.253 --> 00:13:35.894 Very much could be. 00:13:35.894 --> 00:13:37.318 Yeah, anthony. 00:13:37.359 --> 00:13:42.166 Final thoughts on the xenomorph discussion we're gonna see a lot of them in this movie. 00:13:42.986 --> 00:13:49.355 Yes, we will and a giant queen one yeah, we get a new one, rich. 00:13:49.355 --> 00:13:51.650 What are your thoughts on this movie overall? 00:13:51.650 --> 00:13:58.017 I know you talked a little bit about it before we started the show, but what are your thoughts going into this movie as opposed to the last film? 00:13:58.017 --> 00:13:59.201 I just think that. 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:01.344 So ridley scott, did you know? 00:14:01.344 --> 00:14:08.634 Spoke about how I admired the craft, but it wasn't really my type of movie. 00:14:08.634 --> 00:14:10.927 This was my type of movie. 00:14:10.927 --> 00:14:12.202 This was definitely. 00:14:12.202 --> 00:14:13.869 I'm an 80s action guy. 00:14:13.869 --> 00:14:17.860 This followed all the beats of my 80s action Like. 00:14:18.041 --> 00:14:21.030 One of my favorite parts about this movie is so ridiculous. 00:14:21.030 --> 00:14:33.022 So she becomes like a dock loader right and she starts working those machines right and I and and when she gets on the ship and she's like I can help out, I can do something, and they're like can you? 00:14:33.022 --> 00:14:40.828 And she goes and she starts working the lift machine right which they those look like these cartoons that I used to watch, these mecha warriors or something. 00:14:40.828 --> 00:14:45.327 And it was in space and these guys would like get into these suits and like fight in very exos exosuits or something. 00:14:45.327 --> 00:14:48.355 And it was in space and these guys would like get into these suits and like fight in very exos exosuits or something like that. 00:14:48.355 --> 00:14:48.956 It was called gundam. 00:14:48.956 --> 00:14:52.424 No, it was an americanized version of it on channel 11 when I was growing up. 00:14:53.287 --> 00:15:01.780 I'll have to, I'll have to dig a little deeper, but I was so excited when she got into it and I said in my head, if this is the type of action movie that I love. 00:15:01.780 --> 00:15:09.467 She's gonna do some bad A stuff With those robots, that mechanism and man. 00:15:09.467 --> 00:15:15.692 As it's going along I'm like maybe it's not going to happen and then she finally gets to use it. 00:15:15.692 --> 00:15:20.076 Oh man, that to me wraps up the movie perfectly. 00:15:20.076 --> 00:15:21.932 That's how I feel about it. 00:15:21.932 --> 00:15:22.259 I was so happy. 00:15:22.259 --> 00:15:24.246 There's stuff that annoy me. 00:15:24.246 --> 00:15:39.683 Why is Newt the only human in the history of interaction with these aliens that doesn't get implanted like just, you know, yeah, we're just gonna store later, you know like like I think she just stayed away from them. 00:15:39.744 --> 00:15:45.855 She kind of realized what the people who survived a quiet place realized shut up, oh no, I mean stay quiet. 00:15:45.875 --> 00:15:50.974 I mean when she gets taken by the, oh, like when she gets taken back to the nest. 00:15:50.974 --> 00:15:54.225 Whatever I'm like, come on I think it's timing. 00:15:54.566 --> 00:16:02.176 You know, like I think she literally just got placed there and one of those facehugger things hadn't been birthed yet that's, that's my understanding. 00:16:02.235 --> 00:16:03.620 Okay, accepted, I'm fine with that. 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:05.288 Now I really like this one. 00:16:05.327 --> 00:16:18.033 I know we're only two in, but this is my favorite installment by far okay yeah, no, I think dakota's right, it's not like hours went by, I think there's like minutes, you know, so yeah, because it was. 00:16:18.212 --> 00:16:24.870 It was something like she had, uh, 19 minutes by the time that you know she realized. 00:16:24.870 --> 00:16:32.070 Oh, I still have time to go grab this girl, you know, yeah, so it was something like that, yeah yeah, man, this movie definitely. 00:16:32.910 --> 00:16:42.761 They tried to put some of the creepy vibes in it, you know, especially when the and you know, obviously in in true project ecology form. 00:16:42.761 --> 00:16:57.672 You know we're gonna be bouncing, bouncing around a lot, but the part where the aliens were in the roof and the motion tracker was tracking a bunch of them, so that was the moment where they were trying to add that creepy. 00:16:57.672 --> 00:17:01.606 They're like, okay, this is alien, we have to have something creepy in here. 00:17:01.606 --> 00:17:04.949 So I think that was like the attempt for it. 00:17:04.949 --> 00:17:07.423 And I mean, you know, like it was crazy. 00:17:07.423 --> 00:17:14.766 When he like opens up the panel up on the roof and you just see all those xenomorphs up there, I'm like, yeah, it's time to go. 00:17:15.067 --> 00:17:17.584 And they're creepy man, they are just inherently. 00:17:17.584 --> 00:17:28.859 You know, they're always somehow super juicy, juicy. 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:29.844 Speaking of which I'm gonna pause the podcast. 00:17:29.844 --> 00:17:43.887 You, listener, have not rated our podcast a five-star juicy review, yet you need to give us a five-star juicy review, otherwise we're just gonna stop talking think xenomorph they really are always like. 00:17:43.887 --> 00:17:45.871 They're always so moist. 00:17:45.871 --> 00:17:47.032 What's up with this? 00:17:47.574 --> 00:17:50.384 every surface I was re-watching. 00:17:50.384 --> 00:17:54.713 It's funny because sometimes it's like running water dude, like what is crazy? 00:17:54.713 --> 00:17:56.005 Where's it coming from? 00:17:56.184 --> 00:18:20.039 yeah, I was watching alien one today and there's this scene where she enters the shuttle at the end of the movie and you know, you know, there's just that alien tucked away napping in a corner and there's a slow shot of its hands, like lifting up from the computer terminal, and it's just like this guy was whoever the actor was literally dipped his hand in Vaseline or something and just like smeared it everywhere. 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.230 It was the craziest amount of fluid I've ever seen for a hand. 00:18:24.230 --> 00:18:27.450 So anyway, these guys are juicy. 00:18:27.450 --> 00:18:30.347 They are the juiciest things we've ever encountered. 00:18:30.347 --> 00:18:31.651 On Project Ecology. 00:18:32.140 --> 00:18:35.309 Yeah, but it's not the good kind of juicy though it's not. 00:18:36.201 --> 00:18:40.071 But it could be if you give us a five-star juicy review. 00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:41.845 Yes, give us the non-acidic. 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:44.601 The non-acidic. 00:18:44.601 --> 00:18:51.704 The non-acidic version yeah, so I have yet to properly like, give my my take on this movie. 00:18:51.704 --> 00:18:52.448 I really enjoy it. 00:18:52.448 --> 00:19:01.516 This is the one that I think is kind of the quintessential alien movie in a way, even though you need the first movie to watch this one. 00:19:01.516 --> 00:19:02.819 This is the adventure. 00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:11.086 This is where the hobbits finally go to Mordor, this is where it all goes down and it's a totally different vibe. 00:19:11.688 --> 00:19:24.644 But coming at it which is weird that I'm saying this because Aliens was always my favorite one but I'm going to have to actually say coming at it, as an adult that has been critiquing movies for about a decade now, I have to edge out for the original Alien by Rid at it. 00:19:24.644 --> 00:19:25.772 As you know, like an adult that has been critiquing movies for about a decade now I have to. 00:19:25.772 --> 00:19:30.155 I have to edge out for the original alien by really scott I. 00:19:30.155 --> 00:19:35.724 I do believe this has the more exciting story, this has the more engagement. 00:19:35.724 --> 00:19:41.824 But pound for pound I'm when I watch alien I'm like, oh wow, that's an incredible shot. 00:19:41.824 --> 00:19:44.249 Oh wow, that was such a cool effect. 00:19:44.249 --> 00:19:46.053 Oh wow, how did they do that? 00:19:47.161 --> 00:19:53.506 When I'm watching Aliens I'm thinking, all right, let's get the job done, let's go to the next scene, let's go here, let's go there. 00:19:53.506 --> 00:20:14.615 It's a totally different vibe and I feel like, yeah, I do think Ridley Scott is the better visual director and that's actually kind of why I like the new film that came out recently, alien Romulus, is because it has the adventure aspects of aliens, but it also has the horror and the dread that you get from Alien 1. 00:20:14.615 --> 00:20:19.211 And Fade Alvarez, the director of that one, did such a tremendous job in my opinion. 00:20:19.211 --> 00:20:27.923 I can't wait till we cover that one and, yeah, I'll talk about that more when we get there, but yeah, that's my thoughts that one and yeah, I'll talk about that more when we get there. 00:20:27.942 --> 00:20:28.825 But yeah, that's my thoughts. 00:20:28.825 --> 00:20:42.164 Yeah, I kind of agree with you because I feel like alien does need that creep factor right and you don't really get that much in this one, not the way that you do in the first one, and a lot of that has to do with the shots right. 00:20:42.164 --> 00:20:46.073 You get the close-ups, the utilization of darkness. 00:20:46.073 --> 00:20:52.531 You know there's darkness in this one, but this one is pretty much a pure action movie. 00:20:52.531 --> 00:20:57.967 Yes, it is the movie that's a bit more fun to watch because there is a lot going on. 00:20:57.967 --> 00:21:11.515 And when you think about the Alien series, I think about this one and the third one and there's a couple of shots that always make me think of the series. 00:21:11.515 --> 00:21:19.148 And the second one it's ripley and that exoskeleton yeah I always think of that. 00:21:19.288 --> 00:21:32.061 And then the third one is ridley looking away with the xenomorph, like right up on her it's, yeah, there's yeah, yeah, and we'll talk more about that next week, but you know that's what I'm saying. 00:21:32.102 --> 00:21:39.785 Like you know, when I think of the alien series, I think mostly of aliens and an alien 3 because of some of these shots. 00:21:39.785 --> 00:21:55.540 But it was nice going back to see that first one and, from what it seems, is like the the director of romulus wanted the best of both worlds when it came to alien and aliens. 00:21:55.540 --> 00:22:04.682 Because you don't want an almost two hour slog fest, you know you gotta have some sort of like adrenaline, especially nowadays, right, and you do have to. 00:22:04.682 --> 00:22:13.241 Even with all the shots and stuff, you do go a very long time in the first one with like, mostly dialogue. 00:22:13.301 --> 00:22:21.463 It's a, it's like dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, yeah yeah, yeah, you know, and and you know so it can be a little bit of a slog in that first one. 00:22:21.463 --> 00:22:30.127 But once that buildup happens and the stuff starts to happen, that's where the genius really happens in the film. 00:22:30.734 --> 00:22:32.258 And I think Aliens. 00:22:32.258 --> 00:22:36.487 The second one I hate the titling structure of these movies. 00:22:36.487 --> 00:22:37.209 I've always hated them. 00:22:37.209 --> 00:22:39.059 I feel like it's hard to just. 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:44.634 You know, it's so easy to just say Alien or Aliens and miscommunicate which one you're talking about. 00:22:44.634 --> 00:22:48.521 I'm talking about the sequel, the squeakquel Aliens plural. 00:22:50.175 --> 00:22:52.801 Is that a reference to the Chipmunks movies? 00:22:52.801 --> 00:22:54.185 Perhaps? 00:22:54.787 --> 00:22:57.714 Perhaps Deep cut, deep cut. 00:22:57.714 --> 00:22:59.682 It's a movie I've never even seen before. 00:22:59.682 --> 00:23:00.637 I just like the term squeakquel. 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:02.203 Oh, I have, I have, sir. 00:23:03.277 --> 00:23:04.298 I bet you have Rich. 00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:08.185 That is going to be the movie we are covering next week, that would be amazing. 00:23:08.185 --> 00:23:09.949 You thought we were covering Alien 3? 00:23:09.949 --> 00:23:16.560 No, it is going to be Alvin and the Chipmunks, the first movie no, no the squeakquel, we just jump right in. 00:23:16.560 --> 00:23:20.535 So we're just going to completely jump over the first one we're just going to go straight to the squeakquel. 00:23:21.195 --> 00:23:21.717 I don't need to. 00:23:21.957 --> 00:23:28.288 It's not like Aliens where I need the first movie to understand that these talking chipmunks are going to get into some trouble or something. 00:23:28.288 --> 00:23:30.115 I don't even know what that's about, guys. 00:23:30.115 --> 00:23:31.361 So what I was saying is Aliens. 00:23:31.361 --> 00:23:39.926 The second one it requires sorry, it doesn't require it's kind of the movie that the rest of the series kind of anchors on. 00:23:39.926 --> 00:23:53.423 It helps explain what happens in the first movie and it definitely moves the plot forward towards the third and fourth movies and it definitely moves the plot forward towards the third and fourth movies and I think that that is, you know, a huge role that this movie plays. 00:23:53.604 --> 00:24:04.039 It gives us a lot of information, tells us what the xenomorphs are, tells us how they, their breeding cycle works, because in the first movie we didn't know that there was another step before the eggs. 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:09.169 You know, we just kind of assumed that somehow eggs disappeared. 00:24:09.169 --> 00:24:18.319 Or, you know, it was like a, like a mono sex species where, like it, was neither male nor female, it just reproduced by itself. 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:20.265 We didn't know, we didn't have any answers. 00:24:20.265 --> 00:24:21.327 Now we have some answers. 00:24:21.327 --> 00:24:25.761 So I do give James Cameron some serious props. 00:24:25.761 --> 00:24:30.430 He did expand on the universe quite a bit. 00:24:30.430 --> 00:24:33.744 We didn't have a name for the planet that they were on. 00:24:33.744 --> 00:24:36.255 Now it's LV-426. 00:24:36.255 --> 00:24:38.080 And what else? 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:39.044 Did I miss this? 00:24:39.044 --> 00:24:51.471 So we're supposed to believe that the alien they got to LV in the original got to lv two, two, four two, six yeah they, they land. 00:24:51.471 --> 00:24:56.125 The alien is actually on a ship, not on the planet itself. 00:24:56.125 --> 00:25:01.616 Ripley believes that all of them are killed and that's what we see at the end. 00:25:01.616 --> 00:25:12.099 She wakes up and they've had a colony there and they haven't had any prior incidents to like right after she happens to wake up is so? 00:25:12.661 --> 00:25:18.760 they don't explain it super well in the film and I don't think they explain it very well so far in the book that I'm reading. 00:25:18.760 --> 00:25:26.942 But we do know that there were other eggs on the alien ship, the derelict shipped in the. 00:25:26.942 --> 00:25:28.365 In the first movie we saw that. 00:25:28.365 --> 00:25:36.286 You know, kane only goes up to one of the eggs and that's the one that has the facehugger pop out and, you know, give him a kiss. 00:25:36.286 --> 00:25:39.022 We don't know that there are thousands. 00:25:39.115 --> 00:25:47.346 She claims that there are thousands on this planet in that derelict ship but we only see maybe a dozen from the first movie. 00:25:47.346 --> 00:25:52.583 But we know that there are others because we only saw the single alien on their ship, the nostromo. 00:25:52.583 --> 00:25:58.087 So she's worried that you know like these aliens are still out there, they need to bomb the hell out of that place. 00:25:58.087 --> 00:26:00.136 Whatever they don't believe her. 00:26:00.136 --> 00:26:04.125 They've already sent a team of people to explore the planet. 00:26:04.125 --> 00:26:13.522 We don't know how close they are on the planet to the derelict ship, so it's possible they don't ever really encounter it. 00:26:13.522 --> 00:26:24.047 We don't know how the aliens broke out of that cycle and found like fresh meat you know, like meats back on the menu at this place. 00:26:24.047 --> 00:26:27.603 But we don't know how that happens, anthony I was waiting. 00:26:28.044 --> 00:26:31.680 I was waiting for that reference to come up. 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.324 It was either gonna be dakota or rich. 00:26:33.384 --> 00:26:36.777 I love it so much how do they even know what a menu? 00:26:36.998 --> 00:26:40.263 is these aliens are well fed. 00:26:40.263 --> 00:26:41.346 I'll just put it. 00:26:41.346 --> 00:26:50.469 They go to the finest uh restaurants this side of lv426 that, yeah, that queen is well fed how did she get that big? 00:26:51.156 --> 00:26:52.080 how'd she get that belly? 00:26:52.080 --> 00:26:53.085 Don't know? 00:26:53.085 --> 00:26:53.887 Oh, it was. 00:26:53.887 --> 00:26:54.871 Let's talk about the queen. 00:26:54.871 --> 00:26:57.440 We've danced around the topic of the queen a little bit. 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.144 What are crazy concepts? 00:26:59.144 --> 00:27:04.559 I love the scene where ripley has just saved newt. 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.423 She's looking around. 00:27:06.423 --> 00:27:17.148 Actually, your background is that scene where Ripley is in the midst of all of those eggs and she holds all the firepower in her hands. 00:27:17.148 --> 00:27:27.886 The Queen basically tells all of her grunts to leave because, like she doesn't want Ripley to do anything stupid, ripley goes and could have just made an easy escape. 00:27:27.886 --> 00:27:34.152 You know, there was some like mutual appreciation of what her firepower was capable of. 00:27:34.152 --> 00:27:40.250 And then Ripley turns around and just like you know what, nah and just flame blasts. 00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:48.429 Everything Starts blowing chunks out of the queen to the point where the queen just rips her own abdomen off and starts chasing her up the ship. 00:27:48.756 --> 00:27:53.209 It's crazy, it's wild yeah, this, yeah, this movie is crazy. 00:27:53.209 --> 00:27:54.432 Yeah, that's why I picked. 00:27:54.432 --> 00:28:03.199 I picked that, because that scene it was funny, because, yeah, like she ripley gave like essentially like a warning shot, like you know, look, I have this. 00:28:03.199 --> 00:28:19.866 Like you know, she sprayed the flamethrower like kind of in the air and the queen kind of yeah, made like that shriek and then waved off the other like xenomorph grunts and, yeah, man, when she she just like turned around, torched it, I was like, yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 00:28:19.866 --> 00:28:26.279 I was like man, she could have probably gotten out of there, but then again, after she left, you know, the queen would have just sent them right after her. 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.141 So so she was like, yeah, you know what I'm just going to take some down with me, you know. 00:28:30.763 --> 00:28:31.395 Yeah, Rich. 00:28:31.395 --> 00:28:32.320 What are your thoughts on the Queen? 00:28:34.555 --> 00:28:45.567 It's just so great because it feels like you know, this is only my second one, it's only you know, I've watched now twice for the first one and twice for the second one. 00:28:45.567 --> 00:28:58.983 You really get the feeling like, oh, it's over, right, like she did it day's over, and then it's like nope, and I just I kind of love that feeling, because it was the same when I was watching the first one. 00:28:58.983 --> 00:29:09.244 When she gets into the shuttle and I'm I'm so bad about this, I really wish I had better self-control, but I do like to compulsively like check how much time is left in something. 00:29:09.244 --> 00:29:28.268 I'm not sure if this is because Game of Thrones broke me so much, where I was like you're jibbing us of more content, but I tend, especially if we're going to review something, sometimes I think I, or if I'm going to teach something, I really want to know how much time is left, because I'm trying to figure out what story beats they could possibly do. 00:29:28.268 --> 00:29:30.770 Next, right, and, and the first one, since I didn't know anything. 00:29:30.830 --> 00:29:33.580 Sure, she gets in the shuttle and I'm like tapping the screen. 00:29:33.580 --> 00:29:35.345 I'm just like that's weird. 00:29:35.345 --> 00:29:37.778 I mean, what exactly is gonna? 00:29:37.778 --> 00:29:43.189 Oh, so I was waiting after she got nude, right, I was like that was a little too easy. 00:29:43.189 --> 00:29:58.117 I'm like something's gotta happen and I just I was so happy when I saw the queen and when she rips herself off like in half and runs, it's just insane and I was creeped out by her, although I wasn't. 00:29:58.117 --> 00:30:10.680 They remind me of like these cave dwellers in the skyrim series, these uh chitlin or something like kind of these uh underground scorpions that attack you and it was kind of very reminiscent of that. 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.429 And man, I've played enough video games. 00:30:13.429 --> 00:30:17.779 Like I knew riley was gonna turn around, you gotta torch the eggs, like that's. 00:30:17.779 --> 00:30:23.698 That's like heroing 101, you know, if you see a batch of bad guy eggs, you gotta burn them. 00:30:23.698 --> 00:30:31.737 So yeah, it's not exactly the artistic level of the last one, but man, it's just a rip-roaring good time. 00:30:31.836 --> 00:30:33.840 I oh, it's a fun movie. 00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:34.301 It is. 00:30:34.301 --> 00:30:55.865 That is something james cameron is so good at, especially when it comes to, you know, like as soon as there's something to protect, oh, he protects it with his life, you know when paul riser like ends up locking the doors as he's running away, oh, I was like he better get his just desserts. 00:30:56.445 --> 00:30:59.117 And then, like he gets cornered, I'm like that's what you get. 00:30:59.117 --> 00:31:05.759 Paul riser, I thought you were a good guy who took care of a girl with another guy, but no it was crazy. 00:31:05.840 --> 00:31:09.007 He totally turned against everything that he promised. 00:31:09.007 --> 00:31:19.218 She, in the beginning of the movie, was just like all right, only if you promise that we're gonna blow these things to hell, or something along those lines I don't remember the exact phrase and he's just like you have my word. 00:31:19.218 --> 00:31:29.027 And then, like midway through the movie, the uh, bishop, the synth or the android, he goes wait a minute, but burke told me to do the exact opposite. 00:31:29.027 --> 00:31:38.877 He wants to bring us one of the specimens home and she just looks at him like you mfr uh yeah, it, definitely it. 00:31:39.179 --> 00:31:42.951 It is a really funny betrayal and it's just corporate greed. 00:31:42.951 --> 00:31:49.028 It's just literal corporate greed to to it's like, to its like late stage capitalism. 00:31:49.028 --> 00:31:50.380 This is what happens. 00:31:50.674 --> 00:31:53.704 And I don't want to pigeonhole actors, but did you like Anthony? 00:31:53.704 --> 00:31:54.636 Have you seen? 00:31:54.636 --> 00:31:56.661 I don't know about you, but anything else? 00:31:56.661 --> 00:31:58.625 I've seen this actor in Paul Reiser. 00:31:58.625 --> 00:31:59.688 He's a good guy, right. 00:31:59.688 --> 00:32:04.444 So I actually bought into his charisma and shtick. 00:32:04.444 --> 00:32:05.387 I was like he's a good guy. 00:32:05.387 --> 00:32:08.378 Am I the only one who didn't see this coming? 00:32:09.401 --> 00:32:16.803 let's look up some movies that we might have seen him in, because and it's- like it's like you know, here, here we go again. 00:32:16.903 --> 00:32:18.911 You know we got ian home all over again. 00:32:18.911 --> 00:32:22.661 Like these people want to bring this freaking creature back home, man. 00:32:22.661 --> 00:32:25.968 But it's tough because I mean but. 00:32:25.968 --> 00:32:32.607 But like, honestly, after everything that they've gone through you, you know it's like at that point I'd be like man, forget this. 00:32:32.607 --> 00:32:36.286 I don't give a dang what the company says. 00:32:36.286 --> 00:32:37.922 Like these things are insane. 00:32:37.922 --> 00:32:39.800 Like why would I bring this back? 00:32:40.415 --> 00:32:47.875 You know, but like still no, oh oh, duty is duty, duty is duty. 00:32:47.875 --> 00:32:54.919 Honestly, to tell you the truth, bro, I'm the kind of person that, like if I saw something that was like insanely like, insanely crazy, that was gonna get me killed, I don't care if I get fired, I'm gone, I'm out of there. 00:32:55.098 --> 00:33:07.058 I'm blowing these things up yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy and I think that's just a running theme throughout all of alien it's just like dude, there's gonna be guys who they want the money. 00:33:07.058 --> 00:33:09.886 They for some they need it for this weapons program man. 00:33:10.996 --> 00:33:12.903 I mean, what's that money going to do if you're dead? 00:33:12.903 --> 00:33:14.461 And that's what happens. 00:33:15.015 --> 00:33:17.694 Anthony, you brought something up that I find really interesting. 00:33:17.694 --> 00:33:27.421 Just on a lore and almost like a theological or thematic level, you called it the company. 00:33:27.421 --> 00:33:29.300 Because they call it the company. 00:33:29.300 --> 00:33:33.806 You know everyone is owned by this company. 00:33:33.806 --> 00:33:38.840 They never say the name aloud in the movie, but we do see that. 00:33:38.840 --> 00:33:44.544 You know it's again so like they have Weyland-Yutani all over the first movie and now they have Weyland. 00:33:45.176 --> 00:33:54.076 They've added a D for some reason in this movie, Weyland-Yutani's all over the the background of that movie and they've got a new logo and everything and that's the logo. 00:33:54.076 --> 00:33:56.080 That is continued throughout the rest of the series. 00:33:56.080 --> 00:34:05.929 But they don't ever name the company wayland yutani out loud and it's it's just almost like a reverent the company capital c. 00:34:05.929 --> 00:34:09.664 You know like they're all beholden to the company. 00:34:09.664 --> 00:34:22.527 You know everything that they do is for the company or, you know, against the company and ripley's case, um, and another thing that they still don't do is in the theatrical cut. 00:34:22.527 --> 00:34:25.481 I don't believe they ever call her ellen ripley. 00:34:25.481 --> 00:34:29.836 I think she's still ripley throughout the entire movie, even the credits. 00:34:30.137 --> 00:34:37.403 Actually I looked, I I wanted to pay attention to that and the credits others have two names. 00:34:37.403 --> 00:34:40.271 She's still just ripley she's still just ripley. 00:34:40.452 --> 00:34:43.360 It's the most bizarre, like it's this one. 00:34:43.360 --> 00:35:00.829 I actually don't really understand, because in the novelization and the special edition they do call, call her Ellen a couple times, but for some reason they kept that out of the theatrical cut and maybe that's just an homage to how she's like, utilized in the first movie or you know the role that she plays, the character that she plays. 00:35:00.829 --> 00:35:10.545 Another thing that I didn't even touch in this movie is that Ellen Ripley had a daughter on Earth and that was a big plot of the special edition. 00:35:10.545 --> 00:35:19.664 She was really hurt that she missed out on the entire life of her daughter because she was in cryosleep for Wait, does her daughter die while she's in cryosleep? 00:35:20.755 --> 00:35:21.036 Just? 00:35:21.036 --> 00:35:23.204 Shortly before she wakes up. 00:35:23.204 --> 00:35:24.681 That's really bad luck. 00:35:25.721 --> 00:35:27.873 I know it's almost as if it's hitting that way. 00:35:28.414 --> 00:35:30.804 Well, maybe because Ripley just sounds cooler. 00:35:31.675 --> 00:35:32.440 Ripley does sound. 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:33.916 I mean, yeah, Ripley's really cool, ripley. 00:35:33.976 --> 00:35:39.463 I mean like and that's exactly what she does she Ripleys them a new one, you know. 00:35:40.615 --> 00:35:42.362 Believe it or not, she Ripleys. 00:35:43.516 --> 00:35:44.159 I was waiting. 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:45.942 I was waiting for the next pause. 00:35:47.563 --> 00:35:48.824 Sorry, I was waiting. 00:35:48.824 --> 00:35:50.927 I was waiting for the next pause. 00:35:50.927 --> 00:35:51.327 Sorry, oh my gosh. 00:35:51.327 --> 00:35:52.628 Sorry, I'm taking all the good quotes today. 00:35:52.628 --> 00:35:54.110 Guys, I'll hold back from now on. 00:35:54.110 --> 00:36:02.958 Yeah, let's talk about the Marines, because there's a lot of fun that is to be had with the Marines. 00:36:02.958 --> 00:36:05.628 I think the actor who clearly had the most fun was Bill Paxton. 00:36:05.628 --> 00:36:07.152 It's game over man. 00:36:07.152 --> 00:36:07.634 It's game over this. 00:36:07.634 --> 00:36:18.469 It's game over this guy was throwing a fit the entire movie as soon as anything happened for the next hour and a half, this guy was sweating bullets, crapping his pants. 00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:20.342 He was jumping all over the place. 00:36:20.342 --> 00:36:25.422 He was the most fun person to watch and you hate him because he's such a loser. 00:36:25.422 --> 00:36:28.523 He's all talk, no walk, basically. 00:36:28.523 --> 00:36:30.460