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Speaker 1: Welcome back to
episode 133 of Project Geekology

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This is the continued
discussion of our Alien

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franchise marathon.

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Basically, we're just, week
after week, covering another

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Alien movie.

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We're going to be eventually
covering Alien Earth as well,

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and we're covering Alien 3, on
this third part of this series,

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and we're reaching back to some
of the cast from Aliens 2 as we

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start this movie off.

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We have Ripley, we have Newt,
we have Corporal Hicks and then

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we have the android Bishop all
returning, for you know at least

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the start of this movie and
we'll see where these adventures

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go from here.

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I'm one third of your hosts,
dakota, and I'm joined, as

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always, with anthony and I
thought it was alien cubed uh,

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is that, is that actually the
wouldn't cubed be?

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oh, no, two is squared, so three
is squared, three is cubed yeah

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you're right.

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Okay, so maybe this is just
alien cubed yes I'll have to

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mull that one over, but what?

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Speaker 2: number is alien,
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Like what number represents
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And like how are they cubing a
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Speaker 1: excellent question.

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Excellent question.

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We're gonna be pondering this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes uh, and and
the the the last of our hosts

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joining us this week is.

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Speaker 3: Rich, and I think
that the way you cube something,

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a word, is you have to use the
FOIL method.

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I'm an English teacher, not a
math teacher, but I firmly

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believe this.

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Speaker 1: Do explain the FOIL
method, because I don't think I

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made it that far in math.

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Speaker 3: So it's when you have
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outer, inner, lasts.

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Speaker 1: That's the the order
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to do when you then make it into
a first outer inner last okay

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foil very good, and does that
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this film?

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Speaker 3: I mean it looked a
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it was dripping that juice, but
I'm not sure if there's any

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other relation other than the
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Speaker 1: All right.

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So let's hold on, let's back
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The first would be the first
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Then the outer might have been
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In the second movie.

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The inner would be probably
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movie and the l.

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The last is probably this alien
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anthony is so willingly testing
me on there's a pop quiz next

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week there's a pop quiz next
week for alien resurrection.

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Guys, be guys, be there or be
square.

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I'm going to get this right out
of the way.

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This movie is juicy and
probably not in the way that

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anybody wants it to be juicy.

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You know, in previous Alien
franchise movies we've had juicy

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aliens, we've had juicy
androids.

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Now we have juicy humans.

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A lot of blood is shed in.

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This movie had juicy androids,
now we have juicy humans.

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A lot of blood is shed in this
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Um, and it's, it's very typical
, uh, I think of early 90s and

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mid 90s movies that are trying
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You think of like the like,
going all the way up to like

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blade.

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In the late 90s you have this
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it's like super edgy to be gory
and crass and yeah, it's uh dark

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, you know it's it's.

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Speaker 2: And it's the grunge
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definitely, it's definitely the
grunge era of films.

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Speaker 1: So, in honor of the,
the, the juiciness of it all, um

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, I'm gonna ask you guys to give
this podcast, on whatever

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podcast application you're
listening to, a five-star review

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, but not just a five-star
review.

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Make it a juicy five-star
review, as, as we enjoy here, um

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, there's a little bit of crunch
in this movie, not the good

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kind, uh like a bone-sawing
crunch in it, and I don't really

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I don't think that really
applies to this podcast for this

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episode.

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But guys, give us a five-star
juicy review if it's, uh, the

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last thing you, you do on
whatever day you're listening to

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this.

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If it's the last thing that you
do, you better.

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Speaker 2: They're on their last
breath.

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I got to give them that
five-star review.

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Speaker 1: Last thing you do on
the day that you listen to this.

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I'm not telling you it's
downhill from here, it's uphill,

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I think.

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To this.

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I'm not.

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I'm not telling you it's it's
downhill from here, um, it's

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uphill, I think.

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Anyway, guys, uh, yeah, we're,
we're gonna jump into our review

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very shortly, but before we get
into any of that, I'm gonna

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send it over to rich.

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What have you been up to this
past week?

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Speaker 3: uh, just uh kind of
in full swing with uh, cross

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country again.

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Uh, the school year is kind of
getting into full swing.

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I had to go to my son's open
house, which whenever I go to

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like an open house or a parent
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I know as a parent I'm supposed
to do it to be a good person,

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but I feel like I'm crossing the
picket line, like I'm a scab,

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like I'm a teacher and I'm going
and making another teacher's

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day longer by by being there and
and I feel I feel kind of wrong

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about that.

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But outside of that I've just
really been still.

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I mean, the season is winding
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I have one more player to get.

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I think I'm almost there, guys,
mlb the show right I will

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finally, yes, be able to buy the
Aaron Judge regular card, which

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will give me the entirety of
all mlb 26, all all the

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franchises.

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I will finally get that top
carlos beltran card that I've

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been eyeing since april.

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So we're almost here.

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We're almost here.

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It's hard to do, though,
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the mets are terrible.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you
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Yeah, mlb, the show does.

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It does like the season ends
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it's just it'll go a little
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Speaker 3: Like they'll they'll
include because, like they have,

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like they have mini seasons or
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So like we're on season seven
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have another season that'll be
the playoffs they'll release

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special cards and then they'll
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It'll be after the world series
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Like they'll release some kind
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for the players that are left
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finally end.

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I think like officially, they
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new stuff, like middle november
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Speaker 1: I want to say okay,
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Um, I want to pivot, uh, what
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, because you've been doing
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weeks, pretty much ever since we
started the smallville oh uh

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podcast um, and you're almost
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You, you've been on a marathon
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Uh and uh, how far, how far are
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Uh, you don't have much left.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Three, four weeks ago we
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and now I'm on season 10.

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It's been a journey.

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I mean, I'm at work and when
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grading papers, I just throw
Smallville back on.

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I'll watch like 15 to 20
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to pause it and come back to it
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But with Hulu it's really
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So I'm just watching it
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If I'm in the car waiting for
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before I pick him up, hey,
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So it's crazy.

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I forgot what happens.

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It's nuts.

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Lana Lang is still a villain, I
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still firmly believe.

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Especially, do you think she
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Oh yeah, she gets like a
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When she comes back she's like
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villain haircut Like she's I
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bears.

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She's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough.

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So she's bad news bears.

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She's terrible.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough.

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So you're on season.

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What now?

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Last season, season 10.

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I just started episode two
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today.

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Fantastic, I'll probably be
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It's 22 episodes, so I would
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Today is Wednesday, probably
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I'll be texting you guys about
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Speaker 1: Very fair, very fair.

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I'm going to send it over to
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What the heck have you been up,
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Speaker 2: Hey, just to let you
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yourself after we're done with
the Alien Marathon, we are doing

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Season 2.

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Oh no, so get ready to go back.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I have so many
thoughts.

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Oh no, I'm going to be like a
certain character when another

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character inhabited that
character and overloaded them.

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Speaker 2: You played yourself,
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But so what have I been up to
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A whole lot of nothing but
working, that's not fun.

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Speaker 1: A whole lot of
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Speaker 2: No well, no, not like
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time, but like I feel like
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time that that we've recorded
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the time, but like I feel like
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time that that we've recorded
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You know, it's just been like
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working and then then like I'll
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some some video games you
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like.

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Speaker 1: enjoy something.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have
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you know, gaming and stuff, but
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You know just like it's been
routine stuff that I've.

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That I've been up to, like I'm
not saying that work has been

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insane, but I mean I've just
been like you know, just it's

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been just work, gym, you know,
gaming a bit at night and then

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going to sleep.

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I do have like a little mini
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close by on saturday, so that'll
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What, what a little when I say
mini convention, like it's going

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to be in a high school gym nice
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Speaker 1: Oh, I've been to one
of those is the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if
they're the best but they exist

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well, I mean, uh, I mean
they're, they're, they're

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actually really fun and the
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because the larger ones can be
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you can get some like really
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These small conventions are
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You get the, the, you do get
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people that come in with their
stuff, but it's almost like a

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garage sale also and you can
find some like really good finds

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like the last mini one that I
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for like a really, really good
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Where we're in a world where and
and I like was able to like

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verify that it was a legit one,
but in a world where, like

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pokemon silver is like selling
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was a legit one.

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Pokemon Silver is like selling

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upwards to like a hundred
dollars, I got it for like 40.

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Speaker 3: Those places I used
to go to the Knights of Columbus

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, uh around here with my dad and
man, like for card shows, and

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they were like cringe and kind
of sad, but at the same time you

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got some great deals so it was
kind of worth going to yes, sir,

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but yeah, no.

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Speaker 2: So that that's what I
have going on.

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And well, I mean, I don't think
I had said like last last week,

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but I did end up going to see
earlier last week I did go to

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see, uh, freakier friday I think
you did mention it, but did I

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mention?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if
you mentioned whether or not you

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liked it or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was fun,
I liked it.

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It was a solid movie.

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I think that it lived up pretty
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Awesome, yeah, you know, the
first one being a Lindsay Lohan

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classic, like that was just like
the Lindsay Lohan era back then

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So, yeah, it was fun to see her
come back around.

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But, yeah, what have you been
up to Dakota?

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Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of
pop culture stuff like we would

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normally discuss in the podcast.

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I went down to Miami literally
like the morning after we

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recorded last week's episode,
because my great-grandmother was

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in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that that's
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That's which one I was actually
going to ask you which which

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grandmother, which, uh,
grandmother yeah yeah, it's the.

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Speaker 1: It's the centenarian,
the.

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She's 100 years old.

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She fell and broke eight ribs,
but somehow is still kicking and

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is being discharged.

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they're going to finally require
her to use a.

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downstairs or?

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Speaker 1: It just fell in her
room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay, At a
certain point you get too weak.

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Speaker 1: But yeah,
surprisingly she's still kicking

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, thankfully, but it's kind of
like a weird thing because how

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do you survive that at 100 years
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I don't know, surprisingly
she's still kicking, thankfully,

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but it's kind of like a weird
thing because, like, how do you

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survive that at 100 years old?

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Speaker 2: it's crazy I don't
know.

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Hey, man, she, she's like
you're not gonna, you're not

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gonna take me down at 100 years
old yeah, I know I, I guess

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she's uh, it's been for 101, but
anyway, uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I was down there,
visited family.

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It was in the nursing home for
like most of it, honestly, it

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was like four or five hours.

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Family it was in the nursing
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honestly, it was like four or
five hours a day.

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I was in the nursing home just
sitting there.

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Otherwise I listened to the
aliens plural aliens sequel uh,

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novelization, um, not too much
new stuff there, but they do.

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It's kind of like the special
edition of aliensens where they

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do incorporate the deleted
scenes that are in the special

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edition cut of the second movie.

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So that was kind of cool
because I hadn't seen those in

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forever.

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And I'm probably going to go
back and rewatch the Alien

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special edition sometime either
tomorrow or Friday, from um,

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from my, from my own like
timeline notes or whatever.

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And uh, yeah, I watched alien 3
or alien cubed today and I

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downloaded the novelization for
that and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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supplement my, my watch of that
uh with that audiobook and then

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I'm gonna go into alien
resurrectionurrection after I

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finish the audiobook.

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So that's my game plan.

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With the Alien movie slash
novelizations, I get a little

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bit of a brief respite with
Prometheus, because there's no

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novelization for that one, but
there's a prequel novel and a

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novelization of Alien Covenant.

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So by the time we get to that,
I have a lot of alien covenant.

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So by the time we get to that,
I have a lot of like listening

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to do uh, for for that.

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But I'm excited about that
because that's, a the only alien

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movie I've never seen and b the
only alien movie that gets a

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prequel novelization or prequel
novel officially so, oh, oh, you

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didn't see prometheus, I saw
prometheus, I didn't see

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Covenant oh, okay, yeah, I saw
Covenant what's next?

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so Alien 3, then there's Alien
Resurrection and then it goes

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into the prequels Prometheus,
alien Covenant, and then there's

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Romulus, which technically
takes place between 1 and 2, and

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they're all basically different
stories, which is just.

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It's such a bizarre franchise.

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They they go through so many
different, like twists and turns

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, and alien cubed, as anthony is
want to call it, is no, is no

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different.

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This is the probably the most
bizarre one to me.

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Actually, it's probably not the
most bizarre one, but it's.

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It's up there in like the top
two most bizarre choices for the

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alien franchise.

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You know what?

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm actually
still a little surprised that

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this was like the one series
that passed rich, like, like

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like when I think of um, because
I, I know you watched the

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predator series and I did too
but like alien is like, kind of

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like when it's like when you've
watched predator you've also

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watched alien well, kind of you
know, like they're two sides of

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this of like the same coin.

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Speaker 3: But then again, I've
never watched the predator, but

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you're also, I've never.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy man am I
the only one that's seen both?

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I think you are, in this case
you have to understand also.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, though,
that when, like when, when I'm

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in florida and that predator
movie comes on on the movie

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channel, I see arnold, who I
love all right, like I already

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seen some arnold stuff, whatever
I don't know.

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His voice is hilarious, and but
also, the other draw was jesse

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the body ventura.

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He was a big wrestling guy, so
I was like, oh, it's that, it's

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that wrestling guy, right, so I
was more drawn to that, like if

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you didn't have, you know,
sigordney weaver, and it was

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like hulk hogan, I guess you
know like, oh, no, bro, the

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aliens aren't gonna get me,
brother, you know, like, what

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you're gonna do aliens.

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You know, like I'd be, watching
that in was in Gremlins 2.

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Speaker 2: I will say, though,
that the acting between the two

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is different.

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The earlier Predators are a
little corny, and I think it is

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yeah, no, yeah, yeah, it's corny
.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they've
got you pushing too many

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pencils.

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Okay, anthony, I think that's
the problem.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: That high five is the
greatest high five of all time.

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We're not getting.

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Speaker 2: I have seen that
actually.

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Yeah, no, what happened?

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Speaker 1: I've seen the high
five, but anyway we're

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digressing.

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But anyway, we're digressing.

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We'll have to get to Predator
at some point, I thought we were

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ingressing because they're in
the same universe.

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Potentially.

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It's not been like really
confirmed.

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Hey look, we have Alien vs.

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Speaker 2: Predator.

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Are they canonical?

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No, but they exist somewhere,
you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Rich,
you're welcome to skip ahead.

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Only to Alien vs versus
predator and alien versus

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predator requiem, because it's
the ones that we're not covering

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for the show.

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Um, good, and it's yeah, so you
can watch those.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch them.

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I'm gonna bring faulty
information to our next coverage

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because I will, as I always do
reference other things that

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don't aren't the one that we're
talking about that's fine by me

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with In this case.

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Speaker 1: Shall we jump over to
our discussion of Alien 3?

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, are you?

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Speaker 3: sure you're ready for
that.

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I'm not sure if you're ready
for that.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to start by
saying something.

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Speaker 3: I know nothing about
this franchise.

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I have trusted you guys.

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I have done no extra reading,
no extra anything, no extra

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rewatches, no watching forward,
no watching backwards.

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I like.

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Aliens 2.

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I'm told Rich hang on.

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You get to see everybody in the
third one and I'm like

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continuity, I love you.

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I don't want to have to learn
new characters.

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I can just kind of learn a
couple new people.

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But it's going to be about
Bishop.

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It's going to have Newt right
Lies, all lies.

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Speaker 2: There's going to have
new right Lies, All lies.

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There's continuity by
technicality.

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All lies and, and, and, and.

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We do have a brief appearance
of a Bishop, you know.

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Speaker 3: And he's so sad.

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He's so sad to be in there that
he's like, please just end me.

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But yeah, he was done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah he was
done, yeah, but then we have

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the invasion of a Lannister in
this one.

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Speaker 3: I was saying it
before.

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That's the saving grace, the
only thing that calmed me down.

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I was like, oh it's Tywin
Lannister and I just kind of

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imagined him cutting a deer
apart and Wally haranguing his

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sons.

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So that did warm the cockles in
my heart.

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Speaker 1: but I, uh this, I I
was having my, I was having a

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good laugh last week when I said
you know we're gonna have the

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continuing adventures of newt
hicks, rick ripley and bishop uh

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, as they make their way back to
earth or whatever, whatever.

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I said um, and I saw.

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I saw the light in your eye
like twinkle and I was just like

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oh is that the the anger that
you had to let out?

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Speaker 2: yes, that was the
anger I had.

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I was so pissed off.

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Speaker 3: I was like what's
gonna happen with Newt?

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Maybe it's in.

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I had all these questions and
then I was just Look, I know

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that I don't think this is the
case, but you ever have a?

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I've heard some franchises
where they just randomly grabbed

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a script and made it the third
or fourth in that franchise,

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even though it doesn't super
relate Like the Hills have Eyes

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or something like that.

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I think read one of the sequels
is like just a completely

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different thing that they
slapped over the franchise on

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cloverfield, cloverfield 3 yes,
is that?

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yes, you know so what in the way
like why didn't we continue the

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story of those like of newt
over?

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Like what?

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Why the crash landing on this
prison like an all-male, like

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religious prison?

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I'm very I was like what is
this australia?

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Like I don't understand what is
happening.

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I was so I was like I'm back to
square one, like back to not

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knowing what the hell's going on
over here.

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Guys, you know, and I don't, I
don't know, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we're
finally kind of tapping into the

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name of Xenomorph.

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Right.

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We have a different one in this
movie.

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We have finally gotten a
non-humanoid Xenomorph in this

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one and it's kind of this one's
kind of crazy.

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Like they go back to the solo X
, solo xenomorph in this one,

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the.

464
00:21:00,846 --> 00:21:04,221
The second one had, uh, you
know, a whole bunch of them and

465
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,356
then now this one it's like just
one and we're back to just that

466
00:21:08,356 --> 00:21:11,303
one xenomorph being able to
just rip through everybody.

467
00:21:11,303 --> 00:21:14,655
You know, and you know there's
a little, there's a little

468
00:21:14,737 --> 00:21:18,744
secret that's, you know,
weighing on ripley's mind that

469
00:21:19,346 --> 00:21:20,929
she finds out later in the film.

470
00:21:21,596 --> 00:21:22,117
Speaker 1: She does.

471
00:21:22,117 --> 00:21:24,682
Yes, there's a lot to unpack
with this one.

472
00:21:24,682 --> 00:21:28,776
There's a lot of really good
ideas in this movie and then

473
00:21:28,796 --> 00:21:32,266
there's a lot of really poorly
executed.

474
00:21:32,266 --> 00:21:35,063
Most of it is poorly executed.

475
00:21:35,063 --> 00:21:38,249
By the end of the movie, I
would argue that most of the

476
00:21:38,328 --> 00:21:39,275
film is poorly executed.

477
00:21:39,275 --> 00:21:41,442
I really enjoyed the first half
.

478
00:21:41,442 --> 00:21:42,505
I enjoyed the first half.

479
00:21:42,505 --> 00:21:46,536
The pacing was interesting, I
liked the characters and then

480
00:21:46,596 --> 00:21:49,265
when the aliens started killing
everyone off, I just checked out

481
00:21:49,265 --> 00:21:49,265
.

482
00:21:49,265 --> 00:21:50,601
I was just like okay.

483
00:21:52,297 --> 00:21:55,585
Speaker 2: I felt like I laughed
a lot during this movie.

484
00:21:55,585 --> 00:21:56,626
There was a lot.

485
00:21:56,626 --> 00:22:04,898
There was a lot because because
, like you said, this one where

486
00:22:04,919 --> 00:22:06,843
it's incorporating a lot of
those aspects of action that we

487
00:22:06,883 --> 00:22:09,728
were getting in the in the 90s
and you know, the blood was part

488
00:22:09,728 --> 00:22:13,781
of it and some of the acting I
guess I don't know just the way

489
00:22:13,823 --> 00:22:17,178
that people were acting in the
90s was like kind of similar.

490
00:22:17,178 --> 00:22:21,555
Like like I was getting there's
a lot of kind of corniness that

491
00:22:21,555 --> 00:22:24,320
was happening in this movie,
but I mean it was.

492
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,202
It was a fun watch.

493
00:22:25,202 --> 00:22:28,518
Like I don't do I think that
it's like the best in the the

494
00:22:28,577 --> 00:22:33,105
series, no, but do I think it's
still fun to watch?

495
00:22:33,105 --> 00:22:34,974
Yes, like it, you know it was.

496
00:22:34,974 --> 00:22:38,020
It was definitely fun to watch
and I think it was even better

497
00:22:38,102 --> 00:22:43,901
to like that to see you know
rich just completely have his

498
00:22:43,941 --> 00:22:44,683
heart broken.

499
00:22:44,683 --> 00:22:47,401
You know, I thought he wanted
new to be dead.

500
00:22:47,401 --> 00:22:50,498
He like he, like he was so dead
set on like why, is this child

501
00:22:50,577 --> 00:22:51,643
alive in this movie.

502
00:22:51,976 --> 00:22:53,821
Speaker 3: He wanted new to die,
you know right.

503
00:22:53,821 --> 00:23:02,116
I didn't, and that's what
happens but not in that way like

504
00:23:02,116 --> 00:23:02,920
just like, just like.

505
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,022
Well, how did she die?

506
00:23:04,022 --> 00:23:05,126
She drowned in like the
freezing fluid.

507
00:23:05,146 --> 00:23:05,848
Speaker 2: There was like a rip
in the line.

508
00:23:05,868 --> 00:23:07,755
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like what
drowning in space.

509
00:23:07,934 --> 00:23:09,419
Speaker 3: Come on, man, like a
little.

510
00:23:09,419 --> 00:23:12,507
Like, if you're gonna give me a
death, like then she should

511
00:23:12,527 --> 00:23:16,266
have had like the alien
implanted in her, like it should

512
00:23:16,266 --> 00:23:17,509
have been a little bit.

513
00:23:17,509 --> 00:23:19,316
I just feel like you wasted
dude.

514
00:23:19,316 --> 00:23:21,857
You put like I know it's a
different director, but you

515
00:23:21,917 --> 00:23:25,613
stuck like you gave her plot
armor and then you kill her off

516
00:23:25,633 --> 00:23:25,954
camera.

517
00:23:25,954 --> 00:23:27,380
I don't understand.

518
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,490
Speaker 2: Give her five minutes
on screen so I I think that

519
00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:32,397
that was like actually so.

520
00:23:32,397 --> 00:23:35,087
So the the way that you're,
you're angry, that that's

521
00:23:35,228 --> 00:23:38,960
actually like one of the bigger
complaints about this movie is

522
00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:40,846
that there are, you know, they.

523
00:23:40,846 --> 00:23:44,980
They survived at the end of
that movie, just to die off

524
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:45,422
screen.

525
00:23:46,063 --> 00:23:50,335
Speaker 1: I do and I I did like
I did say last week that she

526
00:23:50,375 --> 00:23:56,801
had plot armor you agreed with
me, so I was like I am golden

527
00:23:56,842 --> 00:23:57,383
she did.

528
00:23:57,883 --> 00:24:01,626
Speaker 2: She did have plot
armor for a film for a film.

529
00:24:01,807 --> 00:24:05,672
Yeah, yeah, but but I I did so.

530
00:24:05,672 --> 00:24:08,481
I do agree with you like the
earlier in the in the movie.

531
00:24:08,481 --> 00:24:14,676
I do like the, the idea of you
know, ripley like wanting to.

532
00:24:14,676 --> 00:24:18,823
She's like you know, we got to
burn these bodies because, you

533
00:24:18,863 --> 00:24:22,048
know, and she was holding off
withholding like the reason why,

534
00:24:22,048 --> 00:24:23,670
like she was saying it was
cholera.

535
00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:28,118
Yeah, it was a cholera
xenomorphia maybe, but yeah,

536
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:32,117
like I thought that that was
like a cool idea and then at the

537
00:24:32,117 --> 00:24:36,342
end of the day, it was her that
was the one that had a

538
00:24:36,382 --> 00:24:37,905
xenomorph implanted in her.

539
00:24:38,275 --> 00:24:40,461
Speaker 1: You mentioned that
it's a secret that she keeps,

540
00:24:40,623 --> 00:24:44,019
but she doesn't know it until I
don't even think she like

541
00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:45,762
realizes that it's a possibility
.

542
00:24:45,762 --> 00:24:50,999
Until after that that new
xenomorph like goes up to her

543
00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:55,488
and basically like sniffs her or
, like you know, communicates

544
00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:58,659
with her a little bit and then
leaves right you know, and I

545
00:24:58,699 --> 00:25:02,685
think at that point she realized
oh, I have plot armor again,

546
00:25:03,165 --> 00:25:04,188
for real this time.

547
00:25:04,307 --> 00:25:05,269
Speaker 2: Let me go check this
out.

548
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:07,638
Literal plot armor Well.

549
00:25:07,638 --> 00:25:10,826
Well, she also keeps the reason
why she wanted like these

550
00:25:10,865 --> 00:25:12,557
bodies burned and or checked.

551
00:25:12,557 --> 00:25:15,744
You know she called it cholera
instead of like yeah, there's a

552
00:25:15,786 --> 00:25:16,467
parasite in it.

553
00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:19,180
You know there's an alien
parasite that could be in these

554
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:19,641
bodies.

555
00:25:19,901 --> 00:25:23,067
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of
new stuff that this movie

556
00:25:23,107 --> 00:25:27,203
introduces and I think it's
worth discussing because I like

557
00:25:27,484 --> 00:25:28,366
where they were headed.

558
00:25:28,366 --> 00:25:32,545
There's a lot of like cool just
lore stuff that they, you know,

559
00:25:32,545 --> 00:25:33,788
added into the franchise.

560
00:25:33,788 --> 00:25:40,565
Now we know that the gestation
period for Queens is much longer

561
00:25:40,565 --> 00:25:43,855
than the average alien, because
she was on that base for

562
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:48,644
several days, where we normally
see a like an alien xenomorph

563
00:25:49,205 --> 00:25:51,497
develop and pop out of a body
within.

564
00:25:51,497 --> 00:25:55,023
I think I think the
novelization called it 12 hours

565
00:25:55,726 --> 00:25:56,708
for yeah, it was some.

566
00:25:56,847 --> 00:26:01,791
It was definitely like a short
period of time yeah, so this is

567
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:06,587
all happening, uh, rather slowly
for her and it's giving her I

568
00:26:06,627 --> 00:26:09,836
don't know how she knew it was
the queen, though she just kind

569
00:26:09,876 --> 00:26:14,846
of assumed, but because she says
it aloud it becomes lore, you

570
00:26:14,866 --> 00:26:17,416
know, like that's, that's right
so I don't know how she

571
00:26:17,477 --> 00:26:20,800
determines that, just from go
ahead.

572
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,987
Speaker 2: I think she
determined, possibly like after

573
00:26:26,007 --> 00:26:29,711
that interaction with the alien,
that there might have been,

574
00:26:29,934 --> 00:26:33,241
like you said, there might have
been some sort of communication

575
00:26:33,442 --> 00:26:37,615
or the way that it kind of
reacted to her Like it didn't.

576
00:26:37,615 --> 00:26:41,507
You know, we don't really see
how the xenomorphs interact with

577
00:26:41,507 --> 00:26:42,076
each other.

578
00:26:42,076 --> 00:26:45,423
You know, outside of, like you
know, you just see them rushing

579
00:26:45,464 --> 00:26:47,636
whoever they're trying to kill,
but like you don't see them

580
00:26:47,696 --> 00:26:49,721
interacting amongst each other,
right?

581
00:26:49,721 --> 00:26:54,642
So I think that, like you know,
when she had the idea like oh,

582
00:26:54,721 --> 00:26:57,972
let me get myself checked, you
know, one like that it was

583
00:26:57,992 --> 00:27:00,780
taking, that she was starting to
feel whatever she was feeling

584
00:27:01,281 --> 00:27:04,570
and that it was taking a while,
that you know usually that the

585
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:08,303
xenomorphs are just popping out
like really quick.

586
00:27:08,784 --> 00:27:11,534
And two like yeah, like that
interaction, maybe she was like

587
00:27:11,594 --> 00:27:15,362
okay, well, it, it sensed that
the the xenomorph inside of me,

588
00:27:15,823 --> 00:27:19,818
but the interaction was kind of
odd, you know, like some sort of

589
00:27:19,818 --> 00:27:21,063
fealty or whatever.

590
00:27:21,063 --> 00:27:22,998
You know, I don't know, yeah,
it's.

591
00:27:22,998 --> 00:27:25,423
You know, maybe that's what she
was.

592
00:27:25,423 --> 00:27:28,519
You know, maybe that that's how
she came up with with the idea.

593
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,909
But you know, at this point
it's speculation.

594
00:27:30,909 --> 00:27:33,978
It's never really like shown,
maybe I mean, did it?

595
00:27:34,198 --> 00:27:37,903
Speaker 1: no, it looked the
same as any other, I think uh

596
00:27:37,984 --> 00:27:40,147
rich, what are your thoughts so
far on our discussion?

597
00:27:40,147 --> 00:27:42,136
You've been quiet for a bit.

598
00:27:42,136 --> 00:27:43,220
Well all right.

599
00:27:43,259 --> 00:27:46,707
Speaker 3: So I, I do, I do, I
like, I like the introduction of

600
00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:50,282
, like the idea of the
possibility, like the, the

601
00:27:50,323 --> 00:27:53,012
queen's gestation period is
longer and that's why because I

602
00:27:53,032 --> 00:27:55,743
before you said 12 hours from
the novelization, I haven't read

603
00:27:55,743 --> 00:27:55,944
that.

604
00:27:55,944 --> 00:27:59,497
I felt that, like, my guess was
about 12 hours from it.

605
00:27:59,497 --> 00:27:59,917
It was quick.

606
00:27:59,917 --> 00:28:02,903
You know from the first what's
his name I can't remember his

607
00:28:02,923 --> 00:28:06,509
name now, but the first guy who
got face-hugged, and then Kane,

608
00:28:06,749 --> 00:28:10,005
kane, and then he had the alien
come out, you know.

609
00:28:10,005 --> 00:28:15,363
So I liked, I really liked the
new kind of xenomorph.

610
00:28:15,363 --> 00:28:19,648
I wish I'm a little greedy, but
I almost wish, I wish that we

611
00:28:19,689 --> 00:28:21,416
had seen like other animals as
well.

612
00:28:21,517 --> 00:28:24,323
You know, I felt obviously
tragically terrible for the

613
00:28:24,363 --> 00:28:29,325
pooch who, uh, who sacrificed
for this, you know, and uh, but

614
00:28:29,384 --> 00:28:32,255
I, I like you, I think, like you
said earlier, dakota, I really

615
00:28:32,375 --> 00:28:33,457
liked the beginning.

616
00:28:33,457 --> 00:28:38,346
Like I was like oh, oh, oh, all
right, you know, and then it

617
00:28:38,405 --> 00:28:40,455
almost feels like all these cool
things are happening and then,

618
00:28:40,476 --> 00:28:43,375
once you figure out that she's
got that, she's got, you know,

619
00:28:43,414 --> 00:28:46,396
the queen inside of her
gestating or whatever, I feel

620
00:28:46,497 --> 00:28:50,042
that's when the movie just kind
of like grinds to a halt a

621
00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:53,921
little bit and it almost takes
too long, because once I know

622
00:28:53,961 --> 00:28:56,680
the queen's inside of her, I'm
like, okay, look, she's got to

623
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:57,122
die right.

624
00:28:57,122 --> 00:29:01,598
I'm like, okay, look, she's
gotta die right, like that's I.

625
00:29:01,598 --> 00:29:02,923
I don't know what happens next,
I don't know if she's gonna

626
00:29:02,943 --> 00:29:04,971
come back or anything, but I
firmly knew that she was going

627
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,984
to die because I had seen, like
I think I guess I had seen an

628
00:29:09,085 --> 00:29:12,636
image somewhere of the little
kind of like alien popping out

629
00:29:12,676 --> 00:29:12,876
of her.

630
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:15,203
You know, and those aren't
really that scary like if those

631
00:29:15,305 --> 00:29:17,699
aliens try to bite an apple, I
bet you they wouldn't even be

632
00:29:17,739 --> 00:29:20,124
able to bite an apple like they,
like the first bite would be

633
00:29:20,163 --> 00:29:23,190
like unsuccessful, you know,
like it's not really, I don't

634
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:26,060
know they would just like
straight up that that, like

635
00:29:26,321 --> 00:29:29,096
other mouth that they have, they
would just like penetrate

636
00:29:29,116 --> 00:29:32,084
through the thing and just
obliterate it fair, fair, that

637
00:29:32,124 --> 00:29:32,424
makes sense.

638
00:29:32,484 --> 00:29:35,137
I just, uh, you know those,
those that can't like bite

639
00:29:35,198 --> 00:29:39,185
apples, they don't intimidate I,
I don't know, I I did, I'm not

640
00:29:39,205 --> 00:29:41,576
gonna lie to you, I think my
parents wait, wait, back up,

641
00:29:41,616 --> 00:29:41,998
back up.

642
00:29:42,278 --> 00:29:44,243
Speaker 1: Is this, is this a
personal attack?

643
00:29:44,243 --> 00:29:45,646
Is this a personal attack?

644
00:29:45,646 --> 00:29:47,541
Has my wife been saying
something at work?

645
00:29:49,778 --> 00:29:51,041
Speaker 3: my teeth my teeth.

646
00:29:51,221 --> 00:29:54,669
Speaker 1: My teeth face inward,
basically, so I have a hard

647
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,051
time biting an apple.

648
00:29:56,051 --> 00:30:00,143
I basically, when I bite into a
chunk of apple, it's not a full

649
00:30:00,143 --> 00:30:04,740
chunk, it's two small chunks
where my teeth are able to like

650
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,382
grasp it.

651
00:30:05,382 --> 00:30:12,280
Okay, I have a weird jaw, I
know so uh dude I did not dude,

652
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:12,821
I didn't.

653
00:30:12,842 --> 00:30:15,448
Speaker 3: My heart might pick
up, my heart might be giving out

654
00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:19,644
jen gives me this information,
he goes is there a way that you

655
00:30:19,684 --> 00:30:20,887
can incorporate it into the show
?

656
00:30:20,887 --> 00:30:24,703
I'm like, what if I talk about
how the little alien mouth can't

657
00:30:24,703 --> 00:30:25,526
bite the apple?

658
00:30:25,526 --> 00:30:26,227
And she's?

659
00:30:26,227 --> 00:30:28,039
And she's like is he gonna pick
up on it?

660
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:31,352
I'm like I'm gonna go real
heavy-handed on this and

661
00:30:31,452 --> 00:30:33,923
anthony's probably gonna be like
what are you all talking about?

662
00:30:33,923 --> 00:30:38,079
I was like, but I'm gonna keep
going until dac gets, and it was

663
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:38,981
in just on cue.

664
00:30:39,303 --> 00:30:40,646
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, no,
that thing would just

665
00:30:40,734 --> 00:30:46,465
obliterate oh, let's continue so
uh, my second bite.

666
00:30:46,526 --> 00:30:48,489
Speaker 1: My second bite of the
apple is totally fine.

667
00:30:48,489 --> 00:30:51,082
It's just a really unpleasant
and difficult first bite.

668
00:30:51,162 --> 00:30:54,813
Speaker 3: Okay so all jokes
aside, so so what?

669
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:55,734
Speaker 2: we were saying so.

670
00:30:55,734 --> 00:30:58,419
So what you're saying is that
you need one of those small.

671
00:30:58,439 --> 00:31:01,683
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need a
chameleon, perhaps I uh, I won't

672
00:31:01,683 --> 00:31:04,367
lie though that scene I was
waiting for it.

673
00:31:04,367 --> 00:31:08,942
I was dying to see how she was
gonna die and I'm going.

674
00:31:08,942 --> 00:31:11,849
I'm not gonna lie to you the
fact that she went like full

675
00:31:11,869 --> 00:31:14,738
golem, uh, also like hey, 90s
movies.

676
00:31:14,738 --> 00:31:17,704
Uh, why does everything have to
go into like lava, whatever

677
00:31:17,765 --> 00:31:18,426
terminator 2?

678
00:31:18,426 --> 00:31:18,806
But like I I do.

679
00:31:18,806 --> 00:31:19,093
And then when she was falling
in I was like wait, are we

680
00:31:19,037 --> 00:31:19,672
really not gonna get it?

681
00:31:19,672 --> 00:31:20,229
Why does everything have to go
into like lava, whatever

682
00:31:20,173 --> 00:31:20,376
Terminator 2.

683
00:31:20,376 --> 00:31:20,376
?

684
00:31:20,376 --> 00:31:20,351
But like I do.

685
00:31:20,351 --> 00:31:23,241
And then when she was falling
in I was like wait, are we

686
00:31:23,342 --> 00:31:24,665
really not going to get it?

687
00:31:24,665 --> 00:31:26,421
Are we not going to get it?

688
00:31:26,421 --> 00:31:31,538
And then it happened and as
corny as it kind of and cheesy

689
00:31:31,578 --> 00:31:34,262
as it was, I'm not going to lie
to you that I love that Like

690
00:31:34,282 --> 00:31:35,023
she's falling.

691
00:31:35,064 --> 00:31:39,910
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I saw that,
I was like oh man, the 90s

692
00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:40,611
cheese.

693
00:31:40,611 --> 00:31:43,279
And then she like hugs onto it
as she like falls in.

694
00:31:43,339 --> 00:31:45,276
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's discuss
that a little bit, because it

695
00:31:45,375 --> 00:31:50,116
almost, in a weird twisted way,
looked motherly, you know, like

696
00:31:50,337 --> 00:31:51,824
holding the baby down to your
chest.

697
00:31:51,824 --> 00:31:56,467
Obviously, that's the visual
that's being shown or showcased,

698
00:31:56,467 --> 00:31:59,064
but is that what she's trying
to accomplish?

699
00:31:59,064 --> 00:32:01,700
Or she just doesn't want it to
jump off of her, or what are we

700
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:02,321
thinking here?

701
00:32:02,984 --> 00:32:05,875
Speaker 3: oh, I assume she was
just trying to make sure it died

702
00:32:05,875 --> 00:32:10,703
with her, but wow, what a twist
if she, like, had some sort of.

703
00:32:10,703 --> 00:32:14,496
I mean, in some weird ways,
ripley is probably more

704
00:32:14,536 --> 00:32:19,505
connected to the aliens than any
living thing in existence at

705
00:32:19,545 --> 00:32:22,494
this point, because they blew
newt out of the water, you know

706
00:32:22,535 --> 00:32:26,583
so yeah that, that that'll
definitely roll into the next

707
00:32:26,782 --> 00:32:31,618
one dun dun dun, I'm not even no
spoilers he has no idea.

708
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:32,842
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't trust
you guys.

709
00:32:32,903 --> 00:32:33,284
Speaker 2: I was gonna.

710
00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:34,205
I'm gonna leave it there.

711
00:32:34,205 --> 00:32:35,396
But there's no faith in you.

712
00:32:35,396 --> 00:32:36,779
But you know at least.

713
00:32:37,141 --> 00:32:40,667
Speaker 1: But it's kind of sad
that ripley's dead and we we

714
00:32:40,688 --> 00:32:43,261
kind of lose, like sigourney
weaver, as like the primary

715
00:32:43,342 --> 00:32:47,095
actress in the series you know I
don't believe anything you

716
00:32:47,155 --> 00:32:52,805
people say I will report back to
the I will report back to the

717
00:32:52,845 --> 00:32:57,419
listeners next week, uh but I
mean she died, I think.

718
00:32:57,439 --> 00:32:58,101
Speaker 2: Hold on wait.

719
00:32:58,101 --> 00:33:01,567
How do you come back from like
being fully enveloped in lava?

720
00:33:01,607 --> 00:33:04,383
Speaker 1: when, when the
terminator went into lava.

721
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:05,144
That was it.

722
00:33:05,144 --> 00:33:06,087
We never saw.

723
00:33:06,107 --> 00:33:09,317
Speaker 3: We never saw him
again yeah, listen, I don't

724
00:33:09,357 --> 00:33:10,101
trust the company.

725
00:33:10,101 --> 00:33:11,989
Paul reiser worked for the
company.

726
00:33:11,989 --> 00:33:12,972
I don't trust them.

727
00:33:12,972 --> 00:33:15,897
All right, the company can do
tons of stuff.

728
00:33:15,897 --> 00:33:16,338
Apparently.

729
00:33:16,338 --> 00:33:17,901
The company rules everything.

730
00:33:17,901 --> 00:33:20,683
It's like just the government
basically.

731
00:33:20,804 --> 00:33:24,229
Speaker 1: So you know, it's
probably call up lex luther,

732
00:33:24,288 --> 00:33:27,057
lana lang or something and
she'll show up and be a villain,

733
00:33:27,057 --> 00:33:30,084
I bet you it'll actually be
really interesting once we get

734
00:33:30,124 --> 00:33:33,519
to alien earth, because I did
watch the first episode of alien

735
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,477
earth and they do discuss the
like, the geopolitical landscape

736
00:33:37,477 --> 00:33:42,574
of like how companies rule
everything and it's it's

737
00:33:42,673 --> 00:33:45,201
actually it's going to be really
like an interesting discussion

738
00:33:45,663 --> 00:33:48,618
after we've seen everything that
the company has done and you

739
00:33:48,659 --> 00:33:51,467
know all all the machinations
that occur over the years so

740
00:33:51,487 --> 00:33:52,979
like outer worlds kind of like.

741
00:33:52,999 --> 00:33:54,542
Speaker 3: I don't know if you
ever played the outer worlds

742
00:33:54,583 --> 00:33:54,903
games.

743
00:33:54,903 --> 00:33:58,703
Uh, I haven't no okay, it's a
very, it's very company.

744
00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:01,734
The company is basically owned
planets and they're very corrupt

745
00:34:01,734 --> 00:34:07,682
and you have to operate and
kind of keep them all faction

746
00:34:07,883 --> 00:34:08,905
happy, essentially.

747
00:34:09,094 --> 00:34:11,983
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of
that's based on the Alien

748
00:34:12,003 --> 00:34:14,833
franchise, because I think this
is just a hugely influential

749
00:34:14,873 --> 00:34:16,621
franchise at this point in terms
of science fiction.

750
00:34:16,621 --> 00:34:21,416
So I think that concept has
bled into a bunch of stuff post

751
00:34:21,797 --> 00:34:22,097
alien.

752
00:34:22,097 --> 00:34:24,302
No, that makes sense oh, oh
yeah.

753
00:34:24,362 --> 00:34:26,646
Speaker 2: No, it's definitely
an influence.

754
00:34:26,646 --> 00:34:30,541
Influential series I mean rich
had even brought up how there

755
00:34:30,561 --> 00:34:34,652
was a whole scene in space balls
from, from aliens.

756
00:34:34,652 --> 00:34:38,619
So I mean it, you, it, you do
definitely see the influence of

757
00:34:38,739 --> 00:34:39,762
it throughout.

758
00:34:39,762 --> 00:34:44,088
I mean, you also see, there's
also definitely influence from

759
00:34:44,128 --> 00:34:44,610
Predator.

760
00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:47,963
Like I said, they kind of stand
neck and neck those series.

761
00:34:50,775 --> 00:34:54,166
Speaker 1: So I do have to touch
on a couple things you guys

762
00:34:54,186 --> 00:34:56,742
have mentioned, and I think,
rich, you mentioned both of the

763
00:34:56,762 --> 00:35:00,472
things I want to touch on, the
first being the alien itself

764
00:35:00,534 --> 00:35:04,302
coming out of the, out of the
dog, the boxer, as sad as that

765
00:35:04,581 --> 00:35:06,144
is the.

766
00:35:06,144 --> 00:35:09,257
There's an assembly cut, like
it's another cut of the film

767
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:14,213
that released in 2003, that has
alternate scenes and it's kind

768
00:35:14,233 --> 00:35:15,217
of like a special edition.

769
00:35:15,217 --> 00:35:19,088
Um, the director wasn't
involved, but it does have

770
00:35:19,128 --> 00:35:21,855
scenes that didn't make it into
the final cut of the theatrical

771
00:35:21,994 --> 00:35:22,277
version.

772
00:35:22,277 --> 00:35:32,083
Instead of a dog in Alien 3 or
Alien Cubed, it's a cow, I

773
00:35:32,123 --> 00:35:35,003
promise you, it's a bull, I
think it's a bull.

774
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,262
Speaker 3: Logistically.

775
00:35:37,262 --> 00:35:38,344
What are you talking about?

776
00:35:38,344 --> 00:35:42,498
How is it getting around the
prison if it's just a giant ass

777
00:35:42,539 --> 00:35:42,960
cow?

778
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,467
That doesn't make any sense,
that's stupid.

779
00:35:47,528 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: So there's a scene in
that cut where ripley's ship or

780
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,543
ripley's pod falls into the
onto the beach.

781
00:35:56,543 --> 00:36:00,329
Basically To haul it back onto
land, they have a bunch of

782
00:36:00,409 --> 00:36:03,744
cattle Just drag it onto the
prison.

783
00:36:03,744 --> 00:36:05,282
I don't know why they have
cattle.

784
00:36:05,282 --> 00:36:06,557
I don't know.

785
00:36:06,557 --> 00:36:07,943
I don't have the answers to
that.

786
00:36:08,659 --> 00:36:10,556
Speaker 2: And it's like how
would that have worked when the

787
00:36:10,677 --> 00:36:13,342
outside world was below zero?

788
00:36:13,342 --> 00:36:14,244
Don't know.

789
00:36:15,166 --> 00:36:15,507
Speaker 3: Don't know.

790
00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:22,554
Are we really Was this Was the
screenplay for this movie, or

791
00:36:22,594 --> 00:36:25,605
was this just like another movie
that they just put aliens in?

792
00:36:25,605 --> 00:36:26,978
I'm very confused.

793
00:36:27,139 --> 00:36:29,144
Speaker 1: All right, I have an
answer, a little bit of an

794
00:36:29,224 --> 00:36:29,405
answer.

795
00:36:29,405 --> 00:36:33,378
Not the answer you're looking
for exactly, but you mentioned

796
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,648
that it feels like another
franchise's movie.

797
00:36:37,648 --> 00:36:40,344
Well, I don't know that it is
necessarily another franchise's

798
00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:40,465
movie.

799
00:36:40,465 --> 00:36:41,652
Well, I don't know that it is,
uh, necessarily another

800
00:36:41,751 --> 00:36:46,041
franchise's movie, but it's
definitely a corporate movie.

801
00:36:46,041 --> 00:36:51,177
Like it's a fox engineered this
movie to death, basically.

802
00:36:51,478 --> 00:36:55,106
So they they hired a bunch of
directors, a whole, like a whole

803
00:36:55,106 --> 00:36:58,545
bunch of them, whole bunch of
writers, and one by one they

804
00:36:58,585 --> 00:37:01,356
just kept spitting out
unfinished scripts.

805
00:37:01,356 --> 00:37:03,561
They kept dropping out as
directors.

806
00:37:03,561 --> 00:37:09,458
They ended up falling in with
this first-time movie director,

807
00:37:09,659 --> 00:37:11,344
first-time picture director,
david Fincher.

808
00:37:11,344 --> 00:37:14,217
They did not give him a full
script to work with.

809
00:37:14,217 --> 00:37:17,965
So the beginning of the movie
is scripted, most of it.

810
00:37:17,965 --> 00:37:19,396
It makes a lot of sense.

811
00:37:19,396 --> 00:37:22,597
The beginning of the movie is
fairly scripted, but by the end

812
00:37:22,637 --> 00:37:26,186
of the film you'll notice very
little makes sense.

813
00:37:26,186 --> 00:37:28,277
It just kind of rushes to the
end.

814
00:37:28,277 --> 00:37:34,251
Well, that's because he quit,
maybe after the filming happened

815
00:37:34,251 --> 00:37:37,820
, but during the editing, before
the film was completed in the

816
00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:40,731
editing room, he walked out and
he's never looked back.

817
00:37:41,561 --> 00:37:45,521
They released an Alien
quadrilogy box set of the first

818
00:37:45,561 --> 00:37:48,902
four Alien movies, I think, in
the early 2000s, all of the

819
00:37:48,943 --> 00:37:51,804
original directors gave
commentaries, except for David

820
00:37:51,844 --> 00:37:52,106
Fincher.

821
00:37:52,106 --> 00:37:53,646
He wants nothing to do with the
franchise.

822
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:57,307
Basically, fox burned him out
because started like

823
00:37:57,489 --> 00:37:59,983
micromanaging everything that he
was doing to the point where

824
00:38:00,003 --> 00:38:02,811
the movie stopped making sense,
um, and they just wanted to

825
00:38:02,871 --> 00:38:05,563
churn out another horror
blockbuster.

826
00:38:05,563 --> 00:38:10,052
Basically, um, and that's why
it has that that feel, you know,

827
00:38:10,052 --> 00:38:11,884
like that, like corny, uh, 90s
camp horror adventure.

828
00:38:11,884 --> 00:38:13,188
You know, like that, you, you
would, you've probably.

829
00:38:13,188 --> 00:38:14,873
You know like that, like corny,
uh, 90s camp horror adventure.

830
00:38:14,873 --> 00:38:17,360
You know, like that, you, you
would, you've, probably.

831
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,710
You know, everyone's seen a
couple movies like this at least

832
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:21,731
, and they're all from the 90s.

833
00:38:21,731 --> 00:38:26,750
And that's why this movie is
the way that it is, because, um,

834
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:31,204
there was clearly love put into
it, but not enough to keep it

835
00:38:31,806 --> 00:38:32,909
going to fruition.

836
00:38:32,969 --> 00:38:36,338
Speaker 3: Basically, and and
yeah, it's, it's, it's a weird,

837
00:38:36,518 --> 00:38:40,128
it's a weird movie in the
franchise for that purpose, so

838
00:38:40,148 --> 00:38:42,561
that that does make a little bit
more sense for me, because I

839
00:38:42,601 --> 00:38:49,391
just found it's just felt so
yeah, like that's it, it doesn't

840
00:38:49,391 --> 00:38:53,525
flow studios become too
involved man like stop

841
00:38:53,606 --> 00:38:54,588
micromanaging people.

842
00:38:54,628 --> 00:38:55,610
Speaker 2: Let them do their
thing.

843
00:38:55,610 --> 00:38:59,592
Bro, could you imagine, like,
like, if they let him do his

844
00:38:59,632 --> 00:39:01,460
thing, it could have been like a
whole other?

845
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:04,085
Like you know, it could have
been a better movie.

846
00:39:04,085 --> 00:39:09,340
So but that yeah, no see, see
that I didn't know, I didn't

847
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,911
know that he that, that he
walked out and and the the

848
00:39:12,952 --> 00:39:14,797
post-production and it is.

849
00:39:14,918 --> 00:39:18,706
Speaker 1: It is frustrating
because it does have the ideas

850
00:39:19,548 --> 00:39:23,918
of a good movie, you know, or at
least a good successor to the

851
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:27,728
first two movies, because each
movie has added more lore to

852
00:39:27,827 --> 00:39:31,623
what the aliens are capable of,
what they do, what you know this

853
00:39:31,623 --> 00:39:37,277
universe entails right, right
and that, like they can kind of

854
00:39:37,478 --> 00:39:40,789
infect more than just humans,
you know they can go to animals

855
00:39:41,311 --> 00:39:43,077
yeah, so that's what this one
provides.

856
00:39:43,137 --> 00:39:46,668
Speaker 2: So I mean there is,
there is a bit that you can take

857
00:39:46,668 --> 00:39:51,081
from this, and while this might
not be the best alien movie,

858
00:39:51,141 --> 00:39:55,259
it's not the worst movie that
you'll ever see, though you know

859
00:39:55,259 --> 00:40:00,949
, there is still stuff to to
enjoy, like the scene where,

860
00:40:01,070 --> 00:40:04,001
like uh, ripley is like trying
to run up to the warden and he's

861
00:40:04,001 --> 00:40:07,309
like he's like, oh there, you
know, there, there, there's one

862
00:40:07,369 --> 00:40:09,545
here, there's one here, and he's
like man, get her out of here.

863
00:40:09,545 --> 00:40:12,275
And just gets like ripped right
up into the ceiling.

864
00:40:12,275 --> 00:40:15,347
The scene after that had me
laughing.

865
00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:18,628
Like the dude there was, like a
dude that was mopping the blood

866
00:40:18,628 --> 00:40:21,208
up, but like he was like kind
of like looking at it.

867
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:22,385
Speaker 1: I'm like dude, I
don't care.

868
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:24,507
Speaker 2: I said I'm not going
under that thing.

869
00:40:24,507 --> 00:40:27,547
If there was that dude, there
was a guy that was just there

870
00:40:27,568 --> 00:40:28,510
that just got murdered.

871
00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:31,108
That blood can stay there until
we kill this thing.

872
00:40:35,059 --> 00:40:36,463
Speaker 1: I felt bad for the
prisoners because, like, clearly

873
00:40:36,463 --> 00:40:39,672
they had already all repented,
they had all kind of made their

874
00:40:39,751 --> 00:40:46,248
peace with their god and their,
their, their lot in life.

875
00:40:46,248 --> 00:40:50,978
They'd, all you know, made a
vow of chastity, um, and

876
00:40:51,018 --> 00:40:55,490
celibacy, and, uh, they were all
trying to be better people.

877
00:40:55,690 --> 00:41:01,447
And then Ripley comes and she
like Ripley's up everything she

878
00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:04,744
Ripley's believes in or not, you
know meets back on the menu

879
00:41:04,764 --> 00:41:11,023
boys, the whole, the whole
shebang, and it really I mean

880
00:41:11,144 --> 00:41:15,882
obviously like these are not
good people, you know, but I

881
00:41:15,943 --> 00:41:19,503
think they've already paid their
price, so it sucks that they

882
00:41:19,563 --> 00:41:24,512
are sucked back into that life
of crime and immorality that a

883
00:41:24,532 --> 00:41:25,153
lot of them are.

884
00:41:25,153 --> 00:41:25,554
Yeah.

885
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,233
Speaker 2: I did like Clemens
and I did like the guy Dylan.

886
00:41:31,233 --> 00:41:34,768
He had, like you know, there's
some, were some redeeming

887
00:41:34,829 --> 00:41:35,711
characteristics.

888
00:41:35,711 --> 00:41:41,510
There were a couple times,
though, that I remember, when

889
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:47,766
Ripley is trying to set up a
plan and he's like why should we

890
00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:49,532
put our lives on the line for
you?

891
00:41:49,532 --> 00:41:54,150
Literally, I was telling the TV
I'm, I'm like, dude, it's,

892
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:58,047
either she does it by herself
and you know she dies, or you

893
00:41:58,067 --> 00:42:00,952
could just wait out and wait for
it to kill you, like I mean,

894
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,043
your life is already on the line
.

895
00:42:03,043 --> 00:42:05,329
It doesn't matter if you're you
.

896
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:08,340
It's like you either wait there
for it to kill you or you do

897
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:10,643
something about it, you know do
we?

898
00:42:10,844 --> 00:42:16,070
Speaker 1: do we think that this
alien is as intelligent as the

899
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:20,516
other aliens that we've seen
that are born from humans?

900
00:42:20,516 --> 00:42:24,630
So this one was born from a dog
and or a cow, depending on the

901
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:25,351
version you watched.

902
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,166
Speaker 3: How would a cow get
through those vents, man,

903
00:42:29,206 --> 00:42:31,652
there's no way, I don't got an
answer for you.

904
00:42:32,942 --> 00:42:33,646
Speaker 1: It does exist.

905
00:42:33,646 --> 00:42:35,346
I did watch that scene.

906
00:42:35,405 --> 00:42:38,965
Speaker 3: Would the milk be
acid, like if it was a cow, like

907
00:42:38,965 --> 00:42:40,469
is if it's a heifer.

908
00:42:40,469 --> 00:42:41,391
It would be juicier.

909
00:42:41,411 --> 00:42:44,083
Speaker 1: Yeah, like more juice
, like just just squeer, you

910
00:42:44,123 --> 00:42:48,934
know so I mean the alien itself
looks the same, regardless of

911
00:42:49,056 --> 00:42:52,003
like, uh, whether it was a dog
or a cow.

912
00:42:52,063 --> 00:42:54,630
Speaker 2: Basically, I, I think
it, just it was it was

913
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:57,603
quadruped, you know like right,
right, right, like all the

914
00:42:57,623 --> 00:43:01,853
xenomorphs look about the same,
except I feel like this one

915
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:05,813
might have been a little bit
more animalistic, because I mean

916
00:43:05,813 --> 00:43:09,402
, I don't know man, it, it
seemed faster too it did seem

917
00:43:09,463 --> 00:43:09,704
fast.

918
00:43:09,744 --> 00:43:10,905
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it.

919
00:43:10,905 --> 00:43:14,152
It technically would have been
faster because dogs are faster

920
00:43:14,172 --> 00:43:14,614
than humans.

921
00:43:14,614 --> 00:43:17,708
I think a cow at full speed is
faster than a human.

922
00:43:17,708 --> 00:43:22,072
And this movie you kind of have
to treat one.

923
00:43:22,072 --> 00:43:23,840
You have to either choose one
or the other.

924
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,706
It's not that if you're
watching the version with the

925
00:43:27,766 --> 00:43:31,751
dog birthing, the alien
chestburst or whatever, that

926
00:43:31,771 --> 00:43:32,572
becomes the canon in that sense.

927
00:43:32,572 --> 00:43:35,056
If you watch the version with
the cow, that becomes the canon

928
00:43:35,637 --> 00:43:36,217
in that sense.

929
00:43:36,217 --> 00:43:39,266
If you watch the version with
the cow, that becomes a canon.

930
00:43:39,266 --> 00:43:41,918
But like in the cow version, if
there was a dog in that

931
00:43:41,998 --> 00:43:44,045
universe that gave birth to it,
it would look a little bit

932
00:43:44,085 --> 00:43:44,367
different.

933
00:43:44,367 --> 00:43:44,929
You know what I'm saying.

934
00:43:44,929 --> 00:43:48,773
Like they the the movie,
depending on the version you get

935
00:43:48,773 --> 00:43:51,201
, you have to like, kind of like
suspend disbelief.

936
00:43:51,201 --> 00:43:53,625
Okay, in this version, this is
what the aliens look like.

937
00:43:53,625 --> 00:43:56,130
In this version, this is what
the aliens look like when

938
00:43:56,170 --> 00:43:56,791
birthed from a cow.

939
00:43:56,791 --> 00:44:01,844
But anyway, what I'm what I'm
asking is does the human element

940
00:44:01,844 --> 00:44:06,371
make them more intelligent than
the quadruped element?

941
00:44:06,592 --> 00:44:09,842
Speaker 3: because it was just
killing indiscriminately.

942
00:44:09,922 --> 00:44:14,032
Speaker 1: Like in in the last
movie, the aliens weren't

943
00:44:14,735 --> 00:44:17,762
immediately killing, they were
like bringing them into the lair

944
00:44:17,762 --> 00:44:20,931
and cocooning them for eventual
.

945
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:25,041
Speaker 2: You know like right
insemination from the queen,

946
00:44:25,081 --> 00:44:29,650
basically right, like like there
is more of a strategy, you know

947
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:34,005
, like they, they were trying to
essentially like a corral the

948
00:44:34,045 --> 00:44:37,612
people and aliens to like
exactly where they wanted them

949
00:44:37,652 --> 00:44:39,135
to be, kind of right.

950
00:44:39,135 --> 00:44:43,385
But yeah, in this one you're
right, this alien was just

951
00:44:44,128 --> 00:44:46,467
animalistic, yeah, just it
killed, you know.

952
00:44:46,467 --> 00:44:54,271
So I think that, yeah, it does
take on some characteristics

953
00:44:54,351 --> 00:44:56,981
from its host which, I mean, it
makes sense.

954
00:44:56,981 --> 00:45:00,695
You know, a parasite is always
gonna take, you know, some sort

955
00:45:00,936 --> 00:45:04,547
of you know something from the
host, right, yeah, I think that

956
00:45:04,568 --> 00:45:08,259
that's what we're seeing here
okay, I like it rich.

957
00:45:08,298 --> 00:45:09,121
Speaker 1: What are your
thoughts does?

958
00:45:09,121 --> 00:45:09,322
Does this?

959
00:45:09,322 --> 00:45:10,646
Is this one dumber than the
aliens from the past couple past

960
00:45:10,646 --> 00:45:11,027
couple movies?

961
00:45:11,027 --> 00:45:12,512
I don't know, because I don't
know what its intentions are and

962
00:45:12,512 --> 00:45:13,175
I don't know how that relates.

963
00:45:13,175 --> 00:45:14,659
Is this one dumber than the
aliens from the past couple

964
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:14,800
movies?

965
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,865
Speaker 3: I don't know, because
I don't know what its

966
00:45:16,905 --> 00:45:20,367
intentions are and I don't know
how that relates to Ripley

967
00:45:21,228 --> 00:45:22,231
having the queen inside.

968
00:45:22,231 --> 00:45:27,166
I don't know if the aliens from
Aliens second movie just to

969
00:45:27,206 --> 00:45:33,036
clarify, they have the queen
nearby, right?

970
00:45:33,036 --> 00:45:36,708
We don't know how they
communicate.

971
00:45:36,708 --> 00:45:41,626
There could be some kind of
like ant, like radio waves that

972
00:45:41,668 --> 00:45:44,474
are transmitted to them from the
queen.

973
00:45:44,474 --> 00:45:49,384
They're there, there's more of
them, so maybe they have like a

974
00:45:49,443 --> 00:45:50,985
hive mind thinking.

975
00:45:50,985 --> 00:45:53,088
That then makes them smarter.

976
00:45:53,088 --> 00:45:57,440
This alien from this movie may
have just been out to clear

977
00:45:57,601 --> 00:46:01,853
everyone out indiscriminately so
that the queen is safe.

978
00:46:01,853 --> 00:46:03,556
You know like there's.

979
00:46:03,556 --> 00:46:06,822
The easy answer is yes, the
human ones are smarter.

980
00:46:06,822 --> 00:46:11,590
The questions I have, because I
don't know the franchise as

981
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:17,298
well, are are these possible
pathways to the way we

982
00:46:17,378 --> 00:46:21,567
understand the alien
civilization I guess I'll call

983
00:46:21,626 --> 00:46:25,454
it or the their, their bonding,
and how that impacts their

984
00:46:26,001 --> 00:46:27,847
intelligence and actions overall
?

985
00:46:28,447 --> 00:46:28,628
Speaker 1: yeah.

986
00:46:28,628 --> 00:46:30,172
Do they have a hive mind?

987
00:46:30,172 --> 00:46:33,364
Do they have a collective uh
conscious?

988
00:46:33,364 --> 00:46:34,990
Are they the borg?

989
00:46:35,534 --> 00:46:37,300
Speaker 3: yeah, look, you know,
you know something like that,

990
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,204
like that's.

991
00:46:38,204 --> 00:46:40,331
That changes to me a lot.

992
00:46:40,331 --> 00:46:43,362
You know, and we do know, that
some insect species kind of

993
00:46:43,422 --> 00:46:47,737
communicate in that kind of way,
you know, with not, I would not

994
00:46:47,737 --> 00:46:50,282
telepathically, obviously right
, but they, you know, without,

995
00:46:50,503 --> 00:46:55,512
uh, without any kind of any kind
of verbal exchange over

996
00:46:55,893 --> 00:46:56,653
expanses.

997
00:46:56,653 --> 00:47:00,530
So these do seem very bug-like.

998
00:47:00,530 --> 00:47:04,277
So I wouldn't be surprised if
they have some kind of similar

999
00:47:04,338 --> 00:47:07,706
patterns to the way we would
have some insect kind of

1000
00:47:08,047 --> 00:47:09,391
civilization developing.

1001
00:47:09,871 --> 00:47:10,512
Speaker 1: Right, right.

1002
00:47:10,512 --> 00:47:16,088
What are your thoughts on the
futuristic, almost

1003
00:47:16,168 --> 00:47:19,215
post-apocalyptic Christianity
themes?

1004
00:47:19,215 --> 00:47:24,329
We know that this is like a new
religious cult that they've

1005
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:27,235
like created in the middle of
this planet.

1006
00:47:27,235 --> 00:47:28,621
They chose not to leave.

1007
00:47:28,621 --> 00:47:34,192
They chose to almost become
monks, extending their own fate

1008
00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:35,815
basically as prisoners.

1009
00:47:35,815 --> 00:47:39,469
Personally, I thought this was
a really, really cool idea.

1010
00:47:39,469 --> 00:47:42,461
You know like it's not
something that I don't think.

1011
00:47:42,461 --> 00:47:48,739
This is like a weak layer to
this cake.

1012
00:47:48,739 --> 00:47:53,146
Basically, I feel like this is
a really cool concept in a film

1013
00:47:53,286 --> 00:47:58,514
that almost relays that in a
really satisfying way.

1014
00:47:58,514 --> 00:48:00,420
What are your thoughts, anthony
?

1015
00:48:01,121 --> 00:48:06,311
Speaker 2: I feel like it really
fits in well with the themes of

1016
00:48:06,311 --> 00:48:11,547
Aliens, Because I feel like
there's always been some sort of

1017
00:48:11,547 --> 00:48:15,054
layer of post-apocalyptic feel
to it.

1018
00:48:15,054 --> 00:48:18,260
You know, in the first one they
go to some derelict ship, you

1019
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,329
know obviously there's some like
catastrophe that happens.

1020
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:27,751
They go back to LV-426, where
there's a whole colony that was

1021
00:48:27,811 --> 00:48:28,614
like wiped out.

1022
00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:34,686
So I feel like it fits in well
with that theme and the planet

1023
00:48:34,887 --> 00:48:38,626
that they were on was almost
like post-apocalyptic in a way

1024
00:48:38,666 --> 00:48:43,063
that they had to be in this
prison because where are they

1025
00:48:43,083 --> 00:48:43,885
gonna go if they leave?

1026
00:48:43,905 --> 00:48:48,260
they're gonna freeze, you know
yeah and there's no way off of

1027
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,405
the planet other than the supply
ship that arrives every six

1028
00:48:51,487 --> 00:48:51,786
months.

1029
00:48:51,786 --> 00:48:56,000
You know so, the fact that,
yeah, that they had kind of like

1030
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:02,074
this polka, this polka, um,
this post-apocalyptic cult in in

1031
00:49:02,074 --> 00:49:05,882
a prison that seemed like it
seemed run down right, like

1032
00:49:06,483 --> 00:49:10,672
there was like a you know kind
of like a warden, but like it

1033
00:49:10,811 --> 00:49:13,686
seemed like it was run by the
prisoners anyway, you know, like

1034
00:49:13,686 --> 00:49:18,130
so I I think everyone at that
point was on kind of like equal

1035
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:21,380
footing, it seems yeah there was
a warden and there was a

1036
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,061
company man.

1037
00:49:22,282 --> 00:49:25,028
Speaker 1: I think they called
him like 86 or something, 85

1038
00:49:25,048 --> 00:49:28,922
because that was his 85 that was
his iq, yeah, which is like so

1039
00:49:28,983 --> 00:49:30,143
mean you?

1040
00:49:30,143 --> 00:49:32,407
Know, like he's just he's, he's
there to help them.

1041
00:49:32,407 --> 00:49:37,112
Yeah, I, I kind of liked 80, I
liked 85.

1042
00:49:37,112 --> 00:49:38,253
Did he survive?

1043
00:49:38,253 --> 00:49:39,434
I forget, did he?

1044
00:49:39,434 --> 00:49:40,416
Did he make it to the?

1045
00:49:41,282 --> 00:49:41,663
Speaker 3: end?

1046
00:49:41,663 --> 00:49:45,329
No, I don't believe so I gotta
re-watch it.

1047
00:49:45,329 --> 00:49:48,521
I'm gonna was he the one that
got gunned down yeah, because I

1048
00:49:48,561 --> 00:49:51,568
think he tried to like assert
his authority oh yeah, wait,

1049
00:49:51,588 --> 00:49:51,949
wait, wait.

1050
00:49:52,329 --> 00:49:58,380
Speaker 1: He randomly his
authority.

1051
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:58,902
Oh, yeah, wait wait, wait.

1052
00:49:58,902 --> 00:50:00,706
He randomly attacks the guy who
was like bishop's maker or yeah

1053
00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:01,429
claimed to be bishop's maker.

1054
00:50:01,449 --> 00:50:03,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just like
snaps and like attacks him he

1055
00:50:03,213 --> 00:50:05,824
attacks him with like a, like a.

1056
00:50:06,367 --> 00:50:07,268
Speaker 1: What did he?

1057
00:50:07,268 --> 00:50:09,856
It was an axe, right yeah,
because he's just so.

1058
00:50:10,237 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 3: I I think at that
moment, if I recall correctly,

1059
00:50:12,862 --> 00:50:17,887
like basically it gets explained
that you know they were trying

1060
00:50:17,927 --> 00:50:21,853
to kind of convince Ripley to go
back with the specimen inside

1061
00:50:21,893 --> 00:50:25,706
of her and right yeah, he had
been defending the company.

1062
00:50:25,706 --> 00:50:29,344
I think that was his breaking
point, and you know that's true.

1063
00:50:29,445 --> 00:50:30,268
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.

1064
00:50:31,101 --> 00:50:32,364
Speaker 3: For being a moral man
.

1065
00:50:32,364 --> 00:50:35,672
He immediately met his death,
seconds later.

1066
00:50:35,672 --> 00:50:36,172
You're right.

1067
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,704
Speaker 1: Okay, man, I got to
rewatch this movie because I

1068
00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:41,349
think I did clock out at a
certain point where I was just

1069
00:50:41,389 --> 00:50:43,293
like man, this is just
unraveling.

1070
00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:49,851
But did you notice that when he
attacked Bishop or the creator

1071
00:50:49,871 --> 00:50:52,295
of Bishop, he was bleeding red
blood?

1072
00:50:52,295 --> 00:50:55,581
It wasn't the milky substance,
raider of bishop.

1073
00:50:55,581 --> 00:50:56,784
He was bleeding red blood like
it wasn't.

1074
00:50:56,784 --> 00:50:57,527
It wasn't the milky substance.

1075
00:50:57,547 --> 00:50:58,911
So I'm, I'm, but like he like
took a chunk out of off of like

1076
00:50:58,931 --> 00:51:01,483
the back of his head and he was
still like conscious, you know,

1077
00:51:01,523 --> 00:51:05,434
like he wasn't like bleeding out
on the floor, like he had like

1078
00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:09,507
the the side of his face was
like like like his ear was like

1079
00:51:09,666 --> 00:51:12,701
hanging off, like lopsided, like
a big chunk of his face had

1080
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:14,748
fallen off, but he was bleeding
blood.

1081
00:51:14,748 --> 00:51:19,509
So I'm, I'm really curious what
that was all about, because,

1082
00:51:19,568 --> 00:51:23,282
like a normal person wouldn't be
able to consciously stand there

1083
00:51:23,282 --> 00:51:29,652
and still, you know, try to
tell, tell ripley to you know,

1084
00:51:29,733 --> 00:51:30,173
come back.

1085
00:51:30,173 --> 00:51:33,306
You know it was a really, it
was a really weird scene, but I

1086
00:51:33,347 --> 00:51:35,902
don't know what to make of it I
mean, maybe like they, just like

1087
00:51:35,902 --> 00:51:40,652
you know what we need to make
these robots more lifelike.

1088
00:51:40,793 --> 00:51:41,521
Speaker 3: What can we do?

1089
00:51:41,521 --> 00:51:47,474
Why don't we make the milk red
so it looks like blood to me?

1090
00:51:47,554 --> 00:51:49,101
Speaker 1: actually it's
probably not a bad point.

1091
00:51:49,141 --> 00:51:50,489
Speaker 3: I'm not, I don't even
think it's that much.

1092
00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:52,880
I'm not even sure if it's that
much more complicated than they

1093
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:54,005
just try to upgrade the sense to
be more human, like.

1094
00:51:54,005 --> 00:51:55,248
So they're like, hey, humans
don't even think it's that much,

1095
00:51:55,248 --> 00:51:56,592
I'm not even sure if it's that
much more complicated than they

1096
00:51:56,612 --> 00:51:57,655
just try to upgrade the sense to
be more human, like.

1097
00:51:57,675 --> 00:51:58,478
Speaker 2: So they're like hey,
humans don't bleed.

1098
00:51:58,478 --> 00:52:00,987
It's just like every time I see
that milky substance.

1099
00:52:01,027 --> 00:52:04,601
It's just so disturbing, like it
just looks so weird it's just

1100
00:52:04,681 --> 00:52:06,967
robot juice, all right, it's no
big deal, it's just you know

1101
00:52:07,007 --> 00:52:10,724
yeah, yeah, but it's like I
don't know, it's just like it's

1102
00:52:10,905 --> 00:52:14,757
sickening, it's like you know,
like I said, if they, if they

1103
00:52:14,777 --> 00:52:18,105
had like just like regular, just
motor oil in there, it would

1104
00:52:18,125 --> 00:52:22,440
have been like whatever, but for
some reason they like make it I

1105
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,951
don't know it's milky, and then
they give them like innards,

1106
00:52:27,032 --> 00:52:28,594
that kind of go with it too.

1107
00:52:28,594 --> 00:52:32,385
That like it just looks weird,
like it looks worse it's like

1108
00:52:32,425 --> 00:52:34,148
chunky innards where.

1109
00:52:34,208 --> 00:52:39,344
It's like yeah like small little
balls on it like these people

1110
00:52:39,405 --> 00:52:41,269
are getting like obliterated in
this movie.

1111
00:52:41,269 --> 00:52:44,550
You just see, you know, blood
and body parts just getting

1112
00:52:44,592 --> 00:52:47,806
splattered everywhere, but like
the milky substance just makes

1113
00:52:47,865 --> 00:52:48,387
me gag.

1114
00:52:48,387 --> 00:52:50,577
You know, I don't know, it's
just nasty there's.

1115
00:52:50,597 --> 00:52:52,644
Speaker 1: There's a couple
actors that I was happy to see.

1116
00:52:52,644 --> 00:52:56,744
Um, it was really cool seeing
charles dance uh, who's best

1117
00:52:56,784 --> 00:53:00,211
known these days for his
portrayal of tywin lannister and

1118
00:53:00,211 --> 00:53:04,306
game of thrones, and he wasn't
a villain, even though he's such

1119
00:53:04,306 --> 00:53:07,920
, he has such, especially in his
old age, he has such a sinister

1120
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,262
face.

1121
00:53:08,262 --> 00:53:12,130
I I was uh waiting for him to
be a bad guy like I.

1122
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:14,449
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh
this like I and I, I know this

1123
00:53:14,469 --> 00:53:15,757
is my, I, oh this and I know
this is my.

1124
00:53:15,757 --> 00:53:17,405
I've talked about it on the
show before.

1125
00:53:17,405 --> 00:53:18,208
This is my bias.

1126
00:53:18,208 --> 00:53:22,005
If I see an actor in one role,
sometimes that they're forever

1127
00:53:22,045 --> 00:53:24,784
that guy, so it was.

1128
00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:28,168
I didn't trust him for a while.

1129
00:53:28,168 --> 00:53:30,869
It took a lot for the character
to earn my trust.

1130
00:53:31,201 --> 00:53:35,927
Speaker 1: They also had Anthony
you might not know this, this

1131
00:53:35,967 --> 00:53:39,885
character from dr who, because
he was, he was only in one like

1132
00:53:39,905 --> 00:53:40,686
official episode.

1133
00:53:40,686 --> 00:53:41,527
Um.

1134
00:53:41,527 --> 00:53:46,782
The eighth doctor, paul mcgann
uh had a significant portion in

1135
00:53:46,822 --> 00:53:49,168
the early part of the film up
until, like, they chained him to

1136
00:53:49,168 --> 00:53:51,764
a hospital bed, uh, because
they thought that he killed a

1137
00:53:51,784 --> 00:53:56,052
couple people um oh like, yeah,
I remember that guy.

1138
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,547
Speaker 2: He's the one that
called the xenomorph a dragon.

1139
00:53:59,646 --> 00:54:03,353
Speaker 1: Yes, he called it, so
that was he plays the eighth

1140
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,824
doctor um in a film, like a tv
movie for doctor who uh in 97 um

1141
00:54:09,824 --> 00:54:12,865
and that's his only full
episode of.

1142
00:54:13,365 --> 00:54:15,047
Speaker 2: As the Doctor.

1143
00:54:15,047 --> 00:54:16,208
He's like the doctor.

1144
00:54:16,208 --> 00:54:22,773
He's like, yeah, the first kind
of like modern era doctor

1145
00:54:22,833 --> 00:54:26,315
before we get Christopher
Eccleston.

1146
00:54:26,474 --> 00:54:27,596
Speaker 1: Yes, that's correct.

1147
00:54:27,795 --> 00:54:30,197
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know
exactly who you're talking about

1148
00:54:30,197 --> 00:54:30,197
.

1149
00:54:30,197 --> 00:54:36,146
Okay, we also get what's his
name there, the actor.

1150
00:54:36,146 --> 00:54:41,545
There's an actor from, uh, the
lost world in there also yes,

1151
00:54:41,744 --> 00:54:43,208
I'm looking at the cast list now
.

1152
00:54:43,208 --> 00:54:48,402
Uh, pete postlewaithe yes, yeah
, he plays.

1153
00:54:48,402 --> 00:54:49,686
Yeah, he's in the lost world.

1154
00:54:49,686 --> 00:54:53,353
He plays like one, one of the
the hunters yes, and that's

1155
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,141
probably what I recognized him
from like I feel like he kind of

1156
00:54:57,302 --> 00:55:00,670
Speaker 1: disappeared a little
bit after the the 90s, but he

1157
00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:00,911
does.

1158
00:55:00,971 --> 00:55:02,963
Speaker 2: I think he was
immediately recognized.

1159
00:55:02,963 --> 00:55:05,710
Recognizable because, like I
don't know what he's got going

1160
00:55:05,751 --> 00:55:08,731
on with his eyebrows, but those
things are bushy it's a yeah,

1161
00:55:08,751 --> 00:55:09,275
it's an incredible.

1162
00:55:09,275 --> 00:55:11,822
They're bushy in this movie and
they were bushing in that bushy

1163
00:55:11,822 --> 00:55:13,927
, in that movie an incredible
mug.

1164
00:55:14,208 --> 00:55:14,789
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's.

1165
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:19,338
There's a lot of, uh, good
talent in this movie, um, and, I

1166
00:55:19,338 --> 00:55:20,460
think, a lot of good
performances.

1167
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:26,070
I was just kind of sad to see
all of them just gunned down for

1168
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:27,193
the sake of being gunned down.

1169
00:55:27,193 --> 00:55:29,382
Um, it's an alien movie.

1170
00:55:29,382 --> 00:55:31,965
You're not supposed to survive
for the most part.

1171
00:55:32,487 --> 00:55:36,831
Speaker 2: You know, unless the
script has the words plot armor

1172
00:55:37,353 --> 00:55:39,735
written on the front, then just
expect to be dead.

1173
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,228
Speaker 1: I mean Ripley does
have plot armor right up until

1174
00:55:43,248 --> 00:55:43,791
the very end.

1175
00:55:43,791 --> 00:55:48,128
We know that she has plot armor
just enough so that she can fix

1176
00:55:48,128 --> 00:55:51,574
whatever issues going on on
base and then kill herself.

1177
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1178
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,858
I'm just saying because I
really do like ripley's

1179
00:55:55,898 --> 00:56:00,487
character, like I think that
sigourney weaver, like even even

1180
00:56:00,487 --> 00:56:04,882
with this movie you know being
the the movie that it is like I

1181
00:56:04,961 --> 00:56:08,994
still like sigourney weaver in
this movie she's still the same

1182
00:56:09,034 --> 00:56:12,543
character and it's just a shame
that, like, this is the last

1183
00:56:12,603 --> 00:56:16,472
movie that we're gonna see her
in in the aliens franchise nice

1184
00:56:16,532 --> 00:56:17,114
try, buddy.

1185
00:56:17,173 --> 00:56:17,976
Speaker 3: I don't believe it.

1186
00:56:17,976 --> 00:56:19,297
I don't believe it.

1187
00:56:19,297 --> 00:56:20,742
I don't believe you guys.

1188
00:56:20,742 --> 00:56:23,916
I want all of you out there to
know I haven't cheated, I

1189
00:56:23,956 --> 00:56:27,222
haven't looked forward, but I
don't believe these two

1190
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:30,387
rapscallions that, that, that I
think.

1191
00:56:30,467 --> 00:56:33,795
Speaker 2: I think rich just
sold himself out, because no,

1192
00:56:33,936 --> 00:56:36,567
you know, like how would you
know anything if you haven't

1193
00:56:36,606 --> 00:56:38,572
looked in the future right?

1194
00:56:39,514 --> 00:56:42,079
Speaker 1: I I know dakota I'm
gonna need you to lock your boy

1195
00:56:42,139 --> 00:56:45,931
down I, I do, I do think I
honestly, I just I just find it

1196
00:56:45,972 --> 00:56:48,858
funny that he's like accusing us
of all this just because I made

1197
00:56:48,858 --> 00:56:51,617
I, I decided to like play with
his feelings a little bit last

1198
00:56:51,637 --> 00:56:52,704
week it's over.

1199
00:56:52,724 --> 00:56:55,074
Speaker 3: You understand I'm
gonna doubt everything you guys

1200
00:56:55,135 --> 00:56:59,496
say about the future of
franchises I didn't do that to

1201
00:56:59,557 --> 00:56:59,697
you.

1202
00:56:59,757 --> 00:57:00,420
Speaker 2: That was dakota.

1203
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,588
Speaker 3: This is like this I
had a friend when I was in high

1204
00:57:02,608 --> 00:57:02,769
school.

1205
00:57:02,769 --> 00:57:05,978
Okay, gave me to kill a
mockingbird and he handed it to

1206
00:57:06,018 --> 00:57:07,601
me and he said he would just
okay.

1207
00:57:07,601 --> 00:57:08,614
So he did this for a while.

1208
00:57:08,614 --> 00:57:10,583
He would just like give me
books and then tell me a random

1209
00:57:10,625 --> 00:57:11,067
plot point.

1210
00:57:11,067 --> 00:57:14,295
Gave me lord of the rings uh,
lord of the rings, uh, flies, he

1211
00:57:14,295 --> 00:57:16,440
goes, piggy dies, who's Piggy?

1212
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,224
I start reading, I'm like, oh,
there's a character.

1213
00:57:18,224 --> 00:57:19,673
Boom, the guy dies, right.

1214
00:57:19,673 --> 00:57:21,400
So he sets me up End of the
year.

1215
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,974
Gives me To Kill a Mockingbird.

1216
00:57:22,974 --> 00:57:24,418
I start reading it and he goes.

1217
00:57:24,418 --> 00:57:26,976
Oh, by the way, boo Radley gets
struck by lightning.

1218
00:57:26,976 --> 00:57:32,976
My friends, I read that book
and I intently was like when is

1219
00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:33,737
this plot going to?

1220
00:57:33,737 --> 00:57:35,639
How is this going to even be a
thing?

1221
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:39,023
This book does not lend itself
to a lightning death.

1222
00:57:39,023 --> 00:57:41,965
And then I finished a book and
there was no lightning death.

1223
00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:44,855
Speaker 1: All right, that's
awesome.

1224
00:57:44,855 --> 00:57:47,380
He said he was playing the long
game.

1225
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:48,742
Speaker 2: He had me on a bunch
of books.

1226
00:57:48,882 --> 00:57:49,463
Speaker 3: He really did.

1227
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:51,092
Speaker 2: That's a long game.

1228
00:57:51,092 --> 00:57:52,577
Well, honestly, is it really
that long?

1229
00:57:52,577 --> 00:57:55,431
Because, knowing Rich, he
probably read those books like

1230
00:57:55,492 --> 00:57:56,072
very quickly.

1231
00:57:56,072 --> 00:57:56,833
That's a good point.

1232
00:57:56,954 --> 00:57:58,815
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was probably
over the course of a weekend or

1233
00:57:58,815 --> 00:57:59,115
two.

1234
00:57:59,115 --> 00:58:04,000
So touching on To Kill a
Mockingbird, I have to say I

1235
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:05,641
don't think I've ever mentioned
it on this show.

1236
00:58:05,641 --> 00:58:07,943
I think that's my favorite work
of fiction ever written.

1237
00:58:07,943 --> 00:58:11,686
I think that's truly a
masterpiece.

1238
00:58:11,686 --> 00:58:16,815
I think that is a flawless
novel and I will sing its its

1239
00:58:16,835 --> 00:58:21,271
praises more, more than the very
end, more than the zon trilogy,

1240
00:58:21,271 --> 00:58:23,155
the what trilogy?

1241
00:58:23,215 --> 00:58:28,684
the timothy zon, uh oh, the
timothy zon uh, I think, yeah,

1242
00:58:28,764 --> 00:58:34,697
like personally, it's fair, it's
a perfect novel, like it's.

1243
00:58:34,697 --> 00:58:37,402
It's absolutely like.

1244
00:58:37,402 --> 00:58:39,965
I've read it like probably 15
times.

1245
00:58:39,965 --> 00:58:43,500
It is just a work of it's a
master class.

1246
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:47,315
Speaker 3: Guys please make sure
you join us on our offshoot

1247
00:58:47,335 --> 00:58:52,443
podcast, Project Bookology,
where we talk about famous works

1248
00:58:52,443 --> 00:58:52,864
of literature.

1249
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:55,398
Speaker 2: Dakota would
definitely do that.

1250
00:58:55,398 --> 00:59:00,375
The literature, dakota would
definitely do that, and I feel

1251
00:59:00,394 --> 00:59:01,800
like I I feel like you know that
that might be the podcast that

1252
00:59:01,820 --> 00:59:03,086
we could, that you would
actually be able to pull jen

1253
00:59:03,166 --> 00:59:05,893
onto, you know, since you know
she doesn't want to join the,

1254
00:59:05,954 --> 00:59:08,601
the geeks anymore oh man, I
gotta pull her onto this.

1255
00:59:09,202 --> 00:59:09,911
Speaker 1: Uh, this show.

1256
00:59:09,911 --> 00:59:13,898
Uh again soon, because like
we're getting accusations here

1257
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:14,760
it was we.

1258
00:59:14,780 --> 00:59:17,592
Speaker 2: We've been, we've
been demanding it rich.

1259
00:59:17,592 --> 00:59:20,661
You work with her all the time
and you're on this podcast all

1260
00:59:20,681 --> 00:59:20,961
the time.

1261
00:59:20,961 --> 00:59:25,860
I need you to plant those seeds
into her mind to join us again.

1262
00:59:26,181 --> 00:59:26,762
Speaker 3: I'll do my best.

1263
00:59:26,762 --> 00:59:29,278
If I can pull off the apple
thing, I can pull off anything

1264
00:59:30,623 --> 00:59:32,190
Alien Resurrection, that was
good.

1265
00:59:34,096 --> 00:59:35,521
Speaker 1: Let's get her for
Alien Resurrection.

1266
00:59:35,521 --> 00:59:38,396
She's not going to do it, but
let's get her.

1267
00:59:38,737 --> 00:59:39,239
Speaker 2: Alien Earth.

1268
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:40,181
All righty.

1269
00:59:40,181 --> 00:59:42,277
So yeah, back on track.

1270
00:59:42,277 --> 00:59:44,356
I feel like we're at the point.

1271
00:59:44,356 --> 00:59:46,195
I don't know if there's
anything else that you all

1272
00:59:46,237 --> 00:59:46,898
wanted to add.

1273
00:59:47,409 --> 00:59:49,599
Speaker 3: I kind of feel a
xenomorph rumbling in my stomach

1274
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:49,599
.

1275
00:59:52,831 --> 00:59:57,081
Speaker 2: Last thoughts on
Alien 3, alien Cubes Rich.

1276
01:00:03,269 --> 01:00:03,690
Speaker 3: Anger Disappointment.

1277
01:00:03,690 --> 01:00:04,152
Last thoughts on alien.

1278
01:00:04,152 --> 01:00:05,275
Alien 3, alien cubes rich anger
disappointment.

1279
01:00:05,275 --> 01:00:05,657
Uh, no it, it was a.

1280
01:00:05,657 --> 01:00:05,876
It was a.

1281
01:00:05,876 --> 01:00:07,442
I had expectations and they it
did fall short of my

1282
01:00:07,481 --> 01:00:08,545
expectations, I won't lie.

1283
01:00:08,545 --> 01:00:13,456
I I kind of expected it to kind
of continue in the aliens 2

1284
01:00:13,476 --> 01:00:13,757
vein.

1285
01:00:13,757 --> 01:00:17,304
So I was amped up for like, uh,
you know, kind of a

1286
01:00:17,686 --> 01:00:21,474
predator-esque uh, once again
just kind of shooting and just

1287
01:00:21,755 --> 01:00:25,842
tons of aliens and and it kind
of slowed down and and went back

1288
01:00:25,842 --> 01:00:26,931
to its roots a little bit.

1289
01:00:26,931 --> 01:00:31,621
Uh, which was a little kind of
jarring in in terms of how they

1290
01:00:31,681 --> 01:00:32,530
were portraying ripley.

1291
01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:35,284
Uh, you know, they have no
weapons, right, like they have

1292
01:00:35,304 --> 01:00:36,268
no real weapons in this one.

1293
01:00:36,268 --> 01:00:38,014
Like the last one, they have
all this firepower.

1294
01:00:38,014 --> 01:00:41,300
So it was an interesting
different chapter that gave us

1295
01:00:42,932 --> 01:00:47,565
new information about how the
aliens propagate their species

1296
01:00:47,905 --> 01:00:49,309
and all that stuff is
interesting.

1297
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:53,097
But like, if I'm reading the
movies, out of the first three,

1298
01:00:53,139 --> 01:00:55,202
this is the third I would rate
it.

1299
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:59,911
Speaker 2: I'd rate aliens 2 as
my first, aliens 1 as number 2

1300
01:01:00,070 --> 01:01:05,001
and this one comes in dead last
yeah, the, the, the first two

1301
01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:11,153
movies are great for their own
reasons, you know, and that's

1302
01:01:11,193 --> 01:01:14,860
because we had two different
directors for them and they're

1303
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,025
great for you know what they do.

1304
01:01:17,025 --> 01:01:21,554
This movie, you know, yeah, I
would put this movie below those

1305
01:01:21,554 --> 01:01:26,083
ones, but I will say, kind of
like what you said, it is good

1306
01:01:26,143 --> 01:01:31,902
for at least introducing more
lore to the, the alien universe.

1307
01:01:31,902 --> 01:01:36,152
We get that the xenomorph that
you know comes out of an animal,

1308
01:01:36,152 --> 01:01:40,083
so it's like that's possible
that animals can host these.

1309
01:01:40,083 --> 01:01:46,583
So for that, I do think that
it's pretty good for that.

1310
01:01:46,583 --> 01:01:54,161
And, yeah, man, we get a really
good last hurrah for Ripley.

1311
01:01:54,161 --> 01:01:55,264
What about you, dakota?

1312
01:01:57,851 --> 01:01:58,836
Speaker 3: See what you did
there, anthony.

1313
01:01:58,836 --> 01:02:01,994
I'm not buying it, buddy, I'm
not buying it.

1314
01:02:02,610 --> 01:02:09,735
Speaker 1: Alien 3 is a product
of corporate greed.

1315
01:02:09,735 --> 01:02:15,974
It's kind of an allegory of
itself, because a lot of the

1316
01:02:16,115 --> 01:02:21,693
Alien franchise, weyland-yutani
um is the company, the capital c

1317
01:02:21,693 --> 01:02:22,576
company, you know.

1318
01:02:22,576 --> 01:02:26,251
Like that is like overlooking
everything that's going on and

1319
01:02:26,833 --> 01:02:30,500
that's basically what happened
here fox 20, 20, 20th century

1320
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:30,820
fox.

1321
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:33,731
By the way, the, the intro I
want to mention, like the intro

1322
01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:37,275
of the movie, where it's a 20th
century Fox fanfare and it like

1323
01:02:37,295 --> 01:02:42,481
crescendos into like this
instead of like the, it's just

1324
01:02:42,521 --> 01:02:46,652
like and it's it turns into
almost like dune music and it's

1325
01:02:46,672 --> 01:02:47,213
just it's.

1326
01:02:47,213 --> 01:02:48,175
It gives me chills.

1327
01:02:48,175 --> 01:02:50,791
It's a great way to start the
movie, um, but anyway, 20th

1328
01:02:50,811 --> 01:02:54,605
century Fox, they overstepped
their, their bounds with this

1329
01:02:54,724 --> 01:02:58,077
one and it's unfortunate because
there's a lot of good in this.

1330
01:02:58,077 --> 01:03:03,175
There's a lot of really, really
good ideas and I wish there was

1331
01:03:03,175 --> 01:03:06,362
not necessarily another
director, because I think that

1332
01:03:06,382 --> 01:03:09,498
David Fincher has a very unique
look to what he's doing.

1333
01:03:09,498 --> 01:03:13,949
It's a very creative lens,
especially when he's looking

1334
01:03:14,010 --> 01:03:19,500
through the eyes of the alien,
but it's too much.

1335
01:03:19,721 --> 01:03:22,355
Speaker 2: Too much um
micromanaging too much

1336
01:03:22,434 --> 01:03:23,117
micromanaging.

1337
01:03:23,317 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I, I agree
with that.

1338
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,934
So, all things said, though
it's, you know, out of these

1339
01:03:29,034 --> 01:03:33,063
first three films, it still
makes it into the like, it still

1340
01:03:33,063 --> 01:03:35,494
makes it into my top three out
of these, out of these three

1341
01:03:35,514 --> 01:03:41,284
films, yeah, I'm okay with
whatever's happening so far.

1342
01:03:41,552 --> 01:03:42,789
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see
what's happening.

1343
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:44,496
I would hope that it's in your
top three.

1344
01:03:45,891 --> 01:03:47,356
Speaker 1: Of at least the first
three, you know.

1345
01:03:48,259 --> 01:03:52,757
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would you
say that Waylon and 21st

1346
01:03:52,797 --> 01:03:54,541
Century Fox is interchangeable?

1347
01:03:54,541 --> 01:03:56,981
They like, became the company
Century.

1348
01:03:57,021 --> 01:03:58,028
Speaker 1: Fox as
interchangeable, they became the

1349
01:03:58,028 --> 01:03:58,210
company.

1350
01:03:58,210 --> 01:04:02,639
I think for the sake of my
argument here, I would say yes,

1351
01:04:03,331 --> 01:04:06,735
I think 20th Century Fox is
technically Weyland-Yutani.

1352
01:04:06,735 --> 01:04:15,534
They've meddled too much in the
affairs of Ellen Ripley and now

1353
01:04:15,534 --> 01:04:21,456
they must pay With poor box
office performance and poor

1354
01:04:21,516 --> 01:04:24,434
reception, critically, and we'll
see what happens next time.

1355
01:04:25,097 --> 01:04:28,478
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and
killing off their main

1356
01:04:28,518 --> 01:04:29,101
moneymaker.

1357
01:04:29,710 --> 01:04:31,317
Speaker 1: Next time on Dragon
Ball Z.

1358
01:04:31,317 --> 01:04:35,782
Join us for episode 134 of
Project Ecology.

1359
01:04:35,782 --> 01:04:39,014
Next week we're covering Alien
Resurrection.

1360
01:04:39,014 --> 01:04:45,414
It's the fourth film in the I
guess it's seven films series.

1361
01:04:45,414 --> 01:04:47,172
Oh, really quick.

1362
01:04:47,172 --> 01:04:50,349
There's actually a little bit
of alien news before we close

1363
01:04:50,471 --> 01:04:50,592
out.

1364
01:04:50,592 --> 01:04:55,481
The director for Alien, Romulus
, has said Wait, did you say?

1365
01:04:55,501 --> 01:04:56,833
Speaker 3: the next one is
called Resurrection.

1366
01:04:56,717 --> 01:04:57,382
Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't say
that.

1367
01:04:57,382 --> 01:04:57,867
Wait, did you say, the next one
is called Resurrection?

1368
01:04:57,867 --> 01:05:00,795
No, no, I didn't say that.

1369
01:05:01,635 --> 01:05:03,159
Speaker 3: See, I didn't even
know the names of the movies

1370
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:04,400
Resurrection.

1371
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Come on, what do you think?

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01:05:05,702 --> 01:05:06,244
I'm an idiot.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the
Resurrection here?

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01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:11,010
Yeah, but the Resurrection
might be the queen.

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Speaker 3: Paul Reiser's coming
back.

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Speaker 1: He was a real, you
know, game changer.

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So they just released news and
I feel like it's it's important

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01:05:22,213 --> 01:05:25,880
to talk about it now that we're
discussing alien like lore and

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01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:27,713
stuff and you know the directors
and all that.

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01:05:27,713 --> 01:05:30,920
Uh, the director for the
seventh film in the franchise,

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01:05:31,742 --> 01:05:35,340
uh, fade alvarez, who directed
alien romulus, said that the

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01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,213
next film, like a sequel to
Alien Romulus, has been written,

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01:05:39,213 --> 01:05:40,798
but he is not directing it.

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01:05:40,798 --> 01:05:45,139
So I'm kind of sad about that,
because he had an awesome vision

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01:05:45,139 --> 01:05:49,509
for Romulus, like there's so
many incredible scenes in that

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01:05:49,528 --> 01:05:49,588
one.

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01:05:49,588 --> 01:05:53,389
But anyway, back to next
episode 134 of Project Ecology.

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We are covering Alien
Resurrection, which is directed

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by Joss Whedon.

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,916
Many of you know him from the
Avengers films, from Buffy, from

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01:06:02,916 --> 01:06:03,798
Firefly.

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01:06:03,798 --> 01:06:09,556
He's a not-so-celebrated
director these days, but he was

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01:06:09,777 --> 01:06:12,503
a and I don't think he was a
celebrated director in those

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01:06:12,543 --> 01:06:17,940
days either, but in between now
and 97, he was a celebrated

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01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:19,342
director at some point.

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01:06:19,342 --> 01:06:25,021
But anyway, yeah, joss whedon,
poor guy, go, I'm going crazy

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01:06:25,081 --> 01:06:25,222
here.

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Uh, join us next week for
episode 134.

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We're excited to discuss the
fourth, uh installment in the

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01:06:31,483 --> 01:06:32,246
alien franchise.

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01:06:32,246 --> 01:06:34,614
But if you haven't already and
you want to check out some of

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01:06:34,653 --> 01:06:37,942
our socials, be sure to click
down in our show notes for more.

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01:06:37,942 --> 01:06:41,157
And yeah, guys, we shall see
you soon.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye y'all.

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Speaker 1: All right Meets back
on the menu.