Prepare for a ringside seat as we grapple with the evolution of professional wrestling alongside the keen minds of Trey Malveaux, wrestling historian extraordinaire, and the charismatic YouTube heavyweight Mr. Mustard. We pierce the veil of WWE's storied past, from the raw intensity of the Attitude Era to today's wrestling renaissance, dissecting the ascent of icons like Bianca Belair and Charlotte Flair. The mat has been laid for a deep-dive into the industry's seismic shifts, where women's wrestling commands the spotlight and superstars like Roman Reigns redefine what it means to engage a global audience.
The echoes of Stone Cold's glass shattering entrance may still reverberate, but the current titans of the ring are carving their own legends. We scrutinize John Cena's polarizing legacy and Reigns' embodiment of the Tribal Chief, igniting a debate on who truly propelled the industry forward. Our analysis treads through the grand spectacle of WrestleMania stories, the strategic chess game of WWE storytelling, and the enigma of fan favorites that sway the tides of wrestling narrative.
As the final bell rings on this episode, we've left nothing outside the ring. From heated discussions on the Bloodline's dominance to predictions of high-stakes encounters, we explore the unpredictable heart of the sport. Whether you're a seasoned wrestling aficionado or just lacing up your boots, this episode is a masterclass in the culture, legacy, and adrenaline-fueled spectacle that is professional wrestling. Join us for a candid look at the industry's past, present, and future, where every slam on the mat tells a story.
Prepare for a ringside seat as we grapple with the evolution of professional wrestling alongside the keen minds of Trey Malveaux, wrestling historian extraordinaire, and the charismatic YouTube heavyweight Mr. Mustard. We pierce the veil of WWE's storied past, from the raw intensity of the Attitude Era to today's wrestling renaissance, dissecting the ascent of icons like Bianca Belair and Charlotte Flair. The mat has been laid for a deep-dive into the industry's seismic shifts, where women's wrestling commands the spotlight and superstars like Roman Reigns redefine what it means to engage a global audience.
The echoes of Stone Cold's glass shattering entrance may still reverberate, but the current titans of the ring are carving their own legends. We scrutinize John Cena's polarizing legacy and Reigns' embodiment of the Tribal Chief, igniting a debate on who truly propelled the industry forward. Our analysis treads through the grand spectacle of WrestleMania stories, the strategic chess game of WWE storytelling, and the enigma of fan favorites that sway the tides of wrestling narrative.
As the final bell rings on this episode, we've left nothing outside the ring. From heated discussions on the Bloodline's dominance to predictions of high-stakes encounters, we explore the unpredictable heart of the sport. Whether you're a seasoned wrestling aficionado or just lacing up your boots, this episode is a masterclass in the culture, legacy, and adrenaline-fueled spectacle that is professional wrestling. Join us for a candid look at the industry's past, present, and future, where every slam on the mat tells a story.
Yo Real, do it or Kill. Easy Corner UFM TV. Be back with another one EZ in the building Trey Money man. Trey, with the belt in front of him, is in the building. Young Mustard's in the building. Ah man, subscribe rate review, Apple, youtube, spotify to all the accounts. It's going to be in the bio and description. Man. Very interesting week, easy talk to us another day another dollar.
Speaker 3:You know how I grind. It's another episode of the easy corner. The real deal with Akil UMF TV. We have special guests. But before we get to the guests, matter of fact, we have special guests. I'm before we get to the guests, no, no, matter of fact, we have special guests. I'm going to introduce a guest To my left, my business partner, my brother. If you see Easy Corner Films, he's 100% the editor of all the clips, but also a wrestling connoisseur, a wrestling historian, one of the guys that knows the game.
Speaker 2:Inside out, inside out.
Speaker 3:Energy himself Trey Malveaux.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Glad to be here. And then to my next level one of the young and up-and-coming superstars in different phases of YouTube, A guy that knows not only just sports but also entertainment, A guy that you can pick his brain and also, the most important thing, he's a Nigerian brother Of course, of course, he's a Nigerian Superior. He's a Nigerian brother, my boy Mr Mustard man, what's going on?
Speaker 2:What's going on, man?
Speaker 3:So today, obviously we've watched a lot of good girls' college basketball, but also we come here today for wrestling, professional wrestling, the state of wrestling. Different topics are going on today. We've been having arguments for two weeks, and what better day not to have this show on the week of WrestleMania? So as we talk, I want all the listeners to kind of pay attention. We're going to have a lot of different debates. We'll probably have some agreements, but I think this is not more of a like a debate. This is more of a conversation and an understanding on not just the current era, not just the attitude era, but we can go all the way back to the golden era or the Bruno San Martino era, but I just think by the end of this conversations we can also have an understanding and a respect for different types of eras in wrestling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somewhat somewhat.
Speaker 3:So obviously we've opposed the question. I'm going to throw it out there. For me it's just more like that is the question that we've been in the group. This is all week, the attitude era, the modern era, the Renaissance era.
Speaker 4:I pass it to Trey. First of all, I'm gonna start off with this I do love the attitude. That's where I started watching wrestling, but today's product is so much superior like we can start with like women's right. Back in the day, we had Lita, we had Trish Stratus, we had Chyna, we had Ivory right and most of the time they were duking it out with like the men, because they were the only ones that could duke it out. Now, nowadays, right, you have Bianca, you have Charlotte, you have Rhea Ripley, you have Jada Parker in NXT man. You have so many great women and great stories. That's where I'm going to start it off at. I'm not even going to get to the greatest of all time, roman.
Speaker 2:Reigns, yet the greatest. Well, you know, I agree with Trey, I didn't grow up with the Attitude Era, though I didn't grow up with the Attitude Era, but Attitude Era though I didn't grow up the Attitude Era. But I do believe there are things about the Attitude Era that a lot of people that grew up with tend to forget. They want to throw it to the wayside. They want to act like it didn't happen. They want to act like the company is not different today. All they want to look at is ratings, as if everybody watches cable TV anymore.
Speaker 2:There's different ways to watch this stuff and WWE is experiencing a boom right now. It's like a new renaissance. We're calling it the renaissance era. It's a new boom, it's a new period. And shout out to the Rock he's helping, but it was happening before he got here. We didn't need him, didn't need him then to break records at 39. We didn't need him to break records at 40. It was sold out before the Rock came back. You feel me. But I'm sure Akil's going to reminisce, he's going to glaze, he's going to ride it, so go ahead, go ahead, start riding.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to be making opening statements before we get to questions. So let me make my opening statement. All right, so we know what W is about. It used to be called WF. Right, when you got a product like we see in different companies Amazon, we can look at Target, we can look at all these companies. Number one goal is for these companies that owns them. They want their product to grow.
Speaker 1:Can I agree that the product has grown? Damn, right, it's grown. Yeah, I will agree with y'all a thousand percent. We look at it's called sports and entertainment. And before we dive into different conversations, I do want to say when it comes to entertainment that's when you look it's different. In sports, when you grow up as sports fans and runs in the family, you've got people that's Cowboys fans because their family was Cowboys fans. You've got different TV shows that people grow up on. That's entertainment, right. So for you know, people grow up on that's entertainment, right. So for me, I grew up on attitude error. So how I feel about the attitude error, it's how y'all feel about this error. This is what y'all grew up on that's captain I'm not captain but my
Speaker 1:before we dive in, before we dive into discussion, I will let the people know I'm 30 years old and I'm going to jump in and talk about the Attitude Era Because I grew up on it. I grew up from the started watching at 99, 2000 on cable. My first pay-per-view was WrestleMania 17. I still say the biggest WrestleMania of all time with the car. But we'll get to that later. We'll get to that later. And you know two million buys on Pivot View, by the way. But at the same time I do appreciate what the wrestlers is doing, the athleticism and everything. So yeah, that's my opening statement, great statements to me.
Speaker 3:Like I just said, for me I'm on the fence with it because obviously I've been watching wrestling for a very, very long time. I know wrestling is not where it's at because of the attitude era. I would say this Roman Reigns as much as you say I think he's the best, obviously, of this generation and this era. But, like I just said, you kind of needed the attitude error and what I'm saying is look at his manager, which is Paul Heyman, who was in the thicker things in the attitude error and, honestly, one of those guys in the attitude error, because ECW is probably responsible and the WCW is probably responsible for the attitude error. But, like I said, I like what I'm seeing now because, like I just said, I really just think after the pandemic, that's when the boom really happened.
Speaker 3:So, like I'm always going to say, like I said, the Attitude Era is dear to my heart. But I'm more here to kind of just defend both parties, because some of the messages I've heard this week were egregious. Obviously, akira, you're my brother, trey, you're my brother. So I almost have to call y'all and say, hey, man, we don't have to put each other eras down to make them. No, when you call the Undertaker a side character in the Attitude Era. And then when I hear the Rock's promos are not that good, it's not what I said.
Speaker 2:It's not what I said. I'm hearing who the hell is.
Speaker 3:Gunther Like he wouldn't make it. So my whole thing is I've heard a lot of you've seen me not respond to none of that bullshit. You've seen me not respond to none of that shit. So, like I said for me, like I told Trey, I'm more disappointed in him because he's a restaurant historian this nigga don't know no better because he doesn't watch the product.
Speaker 2:He doesn't, he doesn't.
Speaker 3:He doesn't watch the product. But the thing about it is I know how to talk to him. I was like, hey, man, you still got to kind of give these dudes a chance. You got to give them the opportunity, because you can't be walking around saying who is Gunther, when this dude has put in the work as an Intercontinental Champion and you know that he's going to be a future world champion. That's almost the equivalent. That's why Dan Neerstein didn't come to WCW, because they think they're like who is this girl? That's what you almost, you almost berated them by saying a statement for one of the best superstars in the game of day.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, so this is when it started. So the whole thing started was when I came out and I said Cody Rhodes will be a mid-card wrestler. Oh my God, but this is the thing. An attitude error. So this is the thing why I said that.
Speaker 3:Hold on, I will say this Before you get there. I will say this which Cody Rhodes are you talking about? This one currently, or the other ones that you're talking about, like Stardust?
Speaker 1:This Cody Rhodes currently, we're talking about now and yes, so here's the thing he doubled down, right. So this is the thing Y'all remember, like he said. He's right Because, like I said, I haven't watched this era of wrestling like that. It's more so every blue moon. Oh, cena can make a return. Let me see what he's talking about. Oh, cena can make a return. Let me watch this segment. It's here and there, right. So when I'm saying mid card in that era, that's how this all started and that and that's when the debate starts to happen, because I'm going off of what I'm saying. The one thing I love about the attitude here was the character.
Speaker 1:Not so much in the ring. We love finishing with people and stuff like that. It was more so of character, storyline, personality and what I've seen the first 30 minutes today. I like Seth Rollins, I like his mic skills and everything right. So when I'm saying mid-call, I'm not saying anything that he can't main event a two back in that day, because we've seen guys main event have some matches like that and he's fighting each other. You know, like mid-card in that time was Hardy Boys. They wasn't doing main events until later on Dudley Boys, jericho in the beginning wasn't. You know what I'm saying. So I'm talking on that level.
Speaker 2:I'm saying so, I'm talking on that level.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying he's going to open up the first match. You know I'm not talking on that level. Those are usually big artists too, right, yeah, so that's all I'm saying when I think of main eventers at that time was Rod Stone Cold Chip the money makers, so you don't think Cody Rhodes would be a money maker.
Speaker 1:In that era it would happen eventually at some point. I'm not saying he would never do it, it's more so of because I know y'all bring up mick foley. So one thing that people respected about mick foley he had some of the best moments ever. He took the bump in that on that hell in a cell when people really thought this nigga might be dead.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying you don't think cody rose could make moments?
Speaker 1:I'm not saying he could, he probably would have, he was in that era. No, he would have, he probably would have, he would have, he would have. So the reason why I'm saying like main event, because those guys was selling merch People was buying the pay-per-views because of them, they was watching, they was tuning in. Because of that it wasn't not the in-ring skill, because what I'm seeing every week is this nigga got a fucking suit on every week. You know what I mean? What's?
Speaker 2:wrong with that, though? He's a baby face. Right, he's a baby face. Chris Jericho used to come out in suits when he was a heel right.
Speaker 1:Well, when he first came out.
Speaker 2:He had the whole when he came out, yeah, but later on, when he became a heel, he would come out with a suit. You feel me? And Cody is the modern day American baby face.
Speaker 4:That is what he is, and that is what he is, and Cody has proven.
Speaker 2:Even though he was a mid-carder back then, they could have elevated him at any point. Vince just didn't see him on that level. He never saw him on that level. He had to leave, prove that he was on that level right, even though all the fans knew Every year fans wanted Cody Rhodes to rise to that next level, just like Dolph Ziggler and all these other guys. Vince never saw like that Cody proved he can do any character role. The dashing Cody Rhodes. The masked Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 4:Even Stardust got over for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Even Stardust got over for a little bit.
Speaker 4:He can do all of it. But to caveat on top of that, with today's culture you don't think it's hard to get over as a professional wrestler now.
Speaker 2:It definitely is.
Speaker 4:You see Cody Rhodes on these platforms. You see the types of views that he gets on on social media.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah, in like the day and age, where it's so hard to forget about somebody, I think is even more admirable. And then it shows that you can stick certain stars in any era and they'll succeed. You know, it's like me saying the Undertaker, it was a secondary character, like, let's just face the facts. Halfway through the attitude era he had to switch gimmicks because him being a gothic priest just wasn't working. His worst angles come from the attitude. Of course, definitely remember that hell in a cell match, which was was a 10 minute match. By the way, you speak upon this, like this mid part, I can argue that the mid card is better and more enjoyable to watch, because not only are they great characters, not only are they entertaining, they can go in that ring and they can bust it down 10, 15 minutes every night.
Speaker 3:But I would kind of tend to disagree with the mid card, because I remember when the mid cardscards when it was Guerrero, jericho and Benoit, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Ruthless aggression, ruthless aggression.
Speaker 3:Even that middle of the 2001 run, I remember when Jericho and Benoit won those tag titles, that tag team turnovers in Judgment Day that elevated them to get to the King of the Ring. What happened afterwards? No, what happened afterwards? Benoit broke his neck, benoit broke his neck and then that messed up angle with WCW happened.
Speaker 2:But my thing is, though in the mid-card right, like you got guys, because right now Gunther right he's dominating mid-card. Yeah, gunther is a main event guy. Whether we Right now Gunther right, he's dominating mid-card. Yeah, gunther is a main event guy. Even though he's got a mid-card title, he is a main event guy.
Speaker 3:But the other thing that I would have to say too I don't have no problem with Gunther because he's actually wrestling, but to me there goes to show you just a little bit on the attitude era. I just think just a little bit on the Attitude Era, I just think just a little bit, a little bit more versatility, because, like in the Attitude Era, you're not holding the Intercontinental Championship for 500. You're not holding it for 500 days.
Speaker 4:Oh no, no, no, Television was different.
Speaker 3:In the Attitude Era, you're not holding it.
Speaker 2:But you want to know something also, you're not holding the world title.
Speaker 2:But I think the Intercontinental title, that was the era where because I'm not going to lie I think the beginning of the end of the real prestige of that title and it had its moment. Since then. I think it was after Chyna won it, I think after she won it if you go look through all the champions, right after very, very short reigns, like it was here, this guy wins, this guy wins. It was like we're going to put it on the guy right now, maybe he's a workhorse, right, like maybe you'll have the Van Dams, the Jeff Hardys, like those guys get it. But then you'll have these short reigns where guys will hold it for sometimes not even three weeks. They'll hold it. It'll be a transitional champion, a lot of transitional champions.
Speaker 3:You.
Speaker 4:You have your runs here and there.
Speaker 2:But I think what Triple H has done with the Intercontinental title right now, he has built it. People were even talking about cashing in the briefcase on the Intercontinental Champion. That's how big up that title has become. I think that title is honestly more prestigious and maybe you could say it's a detriment to what Seth Rollins is doing. It's arguably more prestigious than that world title right now because of how Gunther has dominated with that title weekend and we go weekend, week out defend that title, having great matches every week in the attitude era. This is why I said I'm glad you point out the Undertaker right, the Undertaker is best phase of his career came after the attitude. Even the things are romanticized. You stole Coles run wasn't even that long.
Speaker 3:Well, because, no, no, because this is the thing about it is. Stop acting like you have to have a long run in this business to be great.
Speaker 2:That's not what we said.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, Because my whole thing is this, because it's almost like in sports to me I'm choosing guys at their best. If you tell me a theory, if you're out of it. So Daniel guys at their best, if you tell me so, daniel Bryan is good as a technician, as a wrestler, as anybody, but even Austin's, austin's four-year run can actually be a lot of guys. 15 years.
Speaker 2:I can't feel you there, but at the end of day it's four years. And also it contains the drop-off, because people forget. The biggest drop-off of viewership came after he shook Vince McMahon's hand. People stopped watching after that.
Speaker 1:That was the beginning of the decline of viewership, but you brought up the four years. Remember too, he did get that neck injury and that was a mistake.
Speaker 2:That was a bad decision. That was a bad decision, but the only reason why I said that was a bad decision To shake this man.
Speaker 3:That was a bad decision. But the only reason why I said it was a bad decision was because the Rock was leaving. I get that. That's the only reason why. And then what happened?
Speaker 2:He turned heel, he did the two-man power trip and Triple H got hurt. So who was going to fill that babyface role?
Speaker 1:Who was going to do it. But that's the thing we talk about. And go back to that four year thing. I remember too, when they came from 97 to that 01. That's when, remember, stone Cold had that neck injury and that kind of you know what I'm saying that kind of showed it up. But that four year, even before that, the whole infamous King of the Ring quote he made. That's what was the beginning of Austin 316 in 96.
Speaker 4:That's a lot.
Speaker 2:He was doing a bunch of nothing after that.
Speaker 4:Until.
Speaker 2:Rushie. Mania when he broke his neck and then he had to miss a whole bunch of time.
Speaker 1:But the reason why, too, you gotta understand with the Stone Cold, the legend of him is the fans made it to a point where he was the most popular guy when he was an intercontinental Dude, to the point where he's look here, rock, I give you the title. Yeah, I ain't gonna fight you for the title. So, and that's the thing about him, like the crowd you, he was so popular when you just had to give him the title From Shawn Mikeson it was, it was already just like Daniel.
Speaker 2:Bryan was so popular the point you just had to give him the title from Shawn Mifflin.
Speaker 3:It was already Just like Daniel Bryan was so popular. He changed the main event, did he not? No, no, he did. But that's the thing. I'm just not a big believer in this longevity shit. No, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:We're just saying there's. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but there's context to things and I feel like people act like like for example people think it's ridiculous to even compare stone cold and john cena. John cena dominated for a longer period than stone cold and he had the drawing power. He was the. He was the guy in the business, the guy. Stone cold's run wasn't very long but it was a dominant.
Speaker 2:It was a great dominant, but it wasn't as long stop, roman Reigns just went on. The same amount of run In one championship reign.
Speaker 4:And then what, what, what I like, what, like I like, we'll say about Stone Cold Is that how many people Did he really make Like? You can say, if, like Roman Reigns, loses Sunday and we never see him again, he left it, that it'd be be a better place than the place that he found it. You can't say stone cold did the? You know same thing, because after he left, everything went so all weeks went down the the viewership so I got a question.
Speaker 1:Attendance went down I got a question for all of y'all for both of y'all so are we having this? Are we really trying to debate between roman reigns and stone cold, that's?
Speaker 3:not what we're saying, but like I'm bringing it up, but the thing about Troy. I like how you put that and I agree with you. But doesn't that show how valuable Stone Cold is?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no no no, that proves you when you ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying when you know no, no, no, no. The viewership went down.
Speaker 2:No, it's not just the viewership, and thank you, I'm glad you said that it's not just about viewership. The mark of a great wrestler is who you can bring along with you, and I think that's one of the things about John Cena I don't like. John Cena didn't really elevate guys during his run. That's not really all on him. It's also on the booking. But Roman Reigns in his run. Jey Uso is a main event guy. Solo. Jey Uso is a main event guy. Solo is going to be okay. Solo will be fine. He saved Sami Zayn.
Speaker 3:He's about to face Golder, what are you talking about? He got a main event at Wrestlemania.
Speaker 2:A tag match. Is that possible without Roman Reigns? No, it's not the Usos.
Speaker 3:So when Austin, the Austin injury in 2000, that doesn't elevate Triple H and the Rock.
Speaker 2:But Triple H and the Rock elevated each other In 2000,. They elevated each other. You can say Austin injured, but that's not Austin himself elevating them. That's not. That was just a coincidence. The man got hurt.
Speaker 3:He got hurt, but that was the number one guy.
Speaker 2:He was the number one guy. He was the number one guy in those other two and three and Triple H and Austin were kind of even not Austin, triple H and the Rock. They were already kind of elevated to the point that they could take over that spot. That would be like if Roman got hurt right now and Cody and Seth just started going at it. They could do that. They've been elevated enough into that spot. But Roman has made God Hell. Roman's about to make Cody, because I think Cody will win. I think Cody will win. So when Cody wins he's going to be the man and he's going to take over until the fans Because you know fans are fickle they're going to turn on him.
Speaker 2:I know it's going to happen one day. He's wearing a suit. Yeah, he doesn't want to turn heel. He's going to have to do that one day. It's just inevitable. Fans turn on you. It is what it is. Tell me who are the guys that Stone Cold really brought up? Then we're talking about the attitude error in certain guys. Let's not forget the post-fallout after that, the reign of terror. Oh my god, that was one of the worst stretches of Raw ever.
Speaker 3:Yes, Beating everybody, wcw, I agree with you on that. I agree with you on that. Let's not leave too far from the attitude area.
Speaker 4:Let's not forget how this all culminated. This all culminated with Vince McMahon being champion, basically Because he got his biggest op to to like, be his biggest pal and like, like you know, granted stage. You can argue that this bloodline story is way miles beyond what wrestlemania 17 had going into it was.
Speaker 2:This is the best story they've ever done well.
Speaker 1:So the reason why I mean, if you talk about so 17, I remember especially for me that. So okay. So remember we we seen when the Rock and Austin Fall in 15, that was cool. Austin was already here, the Rock was trying to get there, he was on the way, he was corporate champion and all this stuff. So that fight was a good Match, it was cool. But it wasn't the reason why we made 17 so iconic, because you already had these two. It was on their match. So austin did austin at the injury 99. He came back so he tended to even have a title in for like two and a half years. So you had both guys.
Speaker 1:That was faces. It was obvious we wanted this match every week. It was always a face off and they had the famous jr in the middle with them. So it did not just that match, you had the matches under that. The triple h undertaker, which was good, you had. The tlc match was god damn. That shit was ridiculous, so right. So it was just the fans. We just all wanted it in astrodome, 60 000 at that time, the biggest buy. Everybody just was hyped to see that fight in a sense. So that was made that match so iconic, don't you think?
Speaker 2:also because I think something we're forgetting is the role of vince played in all of this vince in the attitude there. I actually think vince is the greatest heel ever yeah, he is the greatest heel in wb history, at least ever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think vince was great in the attitude area. He was great in the rules, but he was the problem. He was the problem. He was not giving guys opportunities. He stuck with Cena. Seeing punks talk about it so many people talk about it. If you just watch that show on a week-to-week basis, it seemed like they only had plans for John Cena and nobody else.
Speaker 1:One last point that you can agree with me. I'll let you go after this. One last point that you agree with me. The only thing I hate about that fucking match was, all of a sudden, vince McMahon. I feel like it was his ego that wanted to get his ass involved in that match because I think that match was so big. You didn't need Vince McMahon to hop in and be on Austin's side. When I was a kid, I didn't understand the shake. I didn't. It took me as I got older to understand the shake.
Speaker 2:And now, looking back, it's like dude, why did you get your ass involved? Even the 2000 match, where every McMahon is in a corner for the fatal four-way. That was ridiculous. I don't need to see Linda McMahon in a corner of Mankind at the WrestleMania.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2:That was ridiculous, the McMahons. But that's just what they do. Yeah, they love that spotlight. When Ronda Rousey came back, stephanie, she had to get involved. Right, you got to get that rub. That's what they do. But I think, vince and we've seen it now since what was it that SummerSlam three years ago where Roman faced Brock? Triple H has changed so much. He gave Rhea Ripley the title. She's dominated. Dom turned heel. Roman has continued the run. He's on. Cody is now going to do that part two of his story. Seth Rollins got the world title. He's doing his thing. Gunther's got his title. Bianca's come up. Jay has come up. I think we can agree. The women now are far better than the women back then.
Speaker 1:It's not even close. That's why I ain't touching you in there In the group I say, look, I agree with y'all the women now they look just as good and they can fight their ass off, Like it was back then. It was more so China Models, Models.
Speaker 4:But then that's got to add To this era, because back in the day you couldn't really watch Raw Around your parents like that.
Speaker 1:But now, that's where we live, but now, bro.
Speaker 4:I'm going to our shows, I'm seeing daughters, I'm seeing mothers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Wearing women's merchandise. It's really a whole family.
Speaker 2:Now it's gonna change A little bit, though, when they go to Netflix. It will change, but not back to the Attitude era, stuff I know but and another thing, too, with the attitude.
Speaker 1:Another thing that we love, too, was them Pushing that fourth wall.
Speaker 4:Breaking, trying to.
Speaker 1:Go beyond measurements To where?
Speaker 2:But they also had Less to lose. The society at that time it was trash tv different yeah, jerry springer was on top it was
Speaker 4:they. They were in a war too, which I think goes to the frequent title changes desperately.
Speaker 2:I feel like they always needed to push the envelope like something new, because wcw is always changing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but now we're like roman. It's like you can be in like the spot where you were in Hulk Hogan, where, if business is booming, why take the title off of it? You don't need to tell another story.
Speaker 1:Just build this one up. I got a question for both of y'all then. So do you think that the reason why they're holding the title well, because we know, but before this, do y'all think that the reason why the title was on him for so long is because the company didn't know who to give it to, possibly that the fans could be like get behind? I don't think it was just that.
Speaker 2:I think in the beginning maybe, but when it really started getting so long I think it was WrestleMania last year Because they were like oh, he's held it for over 900 days. I'm not going to lie Once, because I think the first night the Usos lost, so I was like I figured Cody was going to probably lose.
Speaker 4:I think Sami Zayn made all this last longer.
Speaker 2:He did. But the thing with Sammy is I always thought, even when he joined once they started doing the whole thing with Kevin Owens fighting the Usos I was like, okay, they're going to beat the Usos. That's what I thought initially from the jump. I know some people thought Sammy was going to beat Roman. That was never going to happen to me. I always thought Cody was going to come back and challenge Roman. But I did say when Cody lost, if Cody is really that guy, he will sustain his popularity. And it will be similar to when Daniel Bryan right. When they didn't put the title on Daniel Bryan, fans revolted. And what happened? The Rock comes back and Cody gets that spot because the fans really wanted him in that spot. That proves he is that guy. So you say he'd be a mid-card dude. He was able to get the fans to turn on the Rock. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:And I Rock. That's crazy. That's crazy. I would say this Like I said, I agree with you. I think if it was any other circumstance, they don't turn on the Rock. But the reason why they turned is because Cody won the Royal Rumble. I think if it was anything different, I think everybody emphasizes Cody won the Royal Rumble. I think if it was anything different, I think everybody emphasizes. Like Cody won the Royal Rumble, like he has the right to go, and that was the way they went about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Exactly Like I got somebody else Like Cody, you bring the Rock, I'm like what you giving up? It just looked bad, it looked bad.
Speaker 2:To be fair, I do think in today's age, and I think fans are smarter, they're more wise into the business. You see things on social media, you see reports, you see all that Fans are more wise into the business. Hell before people even returned, fans already know.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:When Brock Lesnar came back, fans knew Brock Lesnar was coming back in 2020. First first came back and that was like over a decade ago. And fans were wise. So now it's just a lot more insight on the game, insight on everything backstage. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:So that's how it is and that's why I think I know we talk about pop, so I think that's why you had a lot of things that was happening with like instant shock reaction. Man, my favorite pop dog was when I put in a group when Stone Cold came back at Backlash because up to that boy, we hated Triple H. He would bust up the rock Every week. It was like God damn, I hate this dude. And then they said and then back Like Fisherman said Triple H, stone Cold ain't coming back. Yada, yada. If they had the internet we would have known Stone Cold came back. But this dude came back, saved the rock, won and all this other shit. It was People cried, dog, people cried. When that happens, I just think now with the Pops it's there, but I think people, like y'all said, people already know already with rumors and he going to come back this night.
Speaker 2:It's like damn, I don't want to just die. Go ahead, go ahead, you go.
Speaker 4:I was actually going to say the fans are pretty engaged now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:They're singing to us the theme songs and whatnot. I really have a brain. So go ahead, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2:I did see some wild shit. That's what I like, I think. I think when you look at the business now, obviously it's a business.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I know I'm seeing this. This dude Jay Is ridiculous dog, but it's a business. Now I understand that. But I also just think that at the end of the day, like when you look at the product, it is different, the company is different, the way they run themselves different, and I don't think wwe even really want, or at least when vince was running things. I can't speak for triple h2 because you know it has to be seen first, but when vince was running things I really do believe he didn't want to create another rock, I think the rock leaving for holly Hollywood because the Rock also didn't really have too long of a run when he came back with the.
Speaker 2:Hollywood, rock stuff. That was a short, short period. He left and he went to Hollywood for years and didn't come back. But the Rock as I talk about it the Rock pops up on Raw.
Speaker 2:He's attacking Jay, but my point is, though, I don't think they wanted to create that, because even John Cena right Cena's gone. I don't think John Cena, because he may make an appearance here and there, but he's closer to retirement. He is very, very close to retirement when you create these, because Roman, that's another one he will go to, I'm sure, roman will go to Hollywood at some point, and I don't think he's going to be wrestling for that long.
Speaker 2:So so my point is like I don't think they even want to create somebody like that. I don't think the business is set up for people to succeed to that level. Look at all the names we probably lost. Like some people loved Cesaro, he didn't get over to that level, right, they didn't want to put him over like that.
Speaker 4:Nah, it's booking, man, and like right now, the booking is just way better, man, and the stars are treated in like a way that they used to be treated back during the attitude area, where everybody was giving a fair shot in it, and then it was really sink or swim.
Speaker 2:Oh, not bad, I think we, we react. Cody's back out. Yeah, I know you watching it. Oh, you watching it too. Oh, you, you, you ahead of us, oh you ahead of us bro, like I guess what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:They go watching it on the app. Bro, like this is what I'm saying. They go watching it on the app. Roman Reigns built all these guys up.
Speaker 1:He built Cody up. Oh, they going crazy for this. They going crazy. See, this is that pop is yeah.
Speaker 3:Because you know what? Yeah, they show blood. I'm shocked the Rock is even taking bumps.
Speaker 1:I can't even lie. I know I'm shocked If the Rock take this bump on the table dog.
Speaker 2:It's crazy he's got to take this bump. Oh my God, You're not taking the bump, don't, show, don't show me, don't show me, because somebody might come out. Roman might come, I doubt it, but Damn, the Rock's still being exaggerating. I need the Rock to take one more stunner bro. Oh, it is Roman, I knew it yeah.
Speaker 4:I knew it.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:GOAT.
Speaker 2:Oh, he ain't finna hit this rock bottom, he'll probably show up afterwards to give him a timeout.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Rock ain't taking that bump dog, I forgot.
Speaker 2:Aren't they in the middle of a home match? Where's Solo? And I promise you, this is how it's going to be At that main event, night two not night one. They're chanting for CM Punk. I don't know why that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:So you know what's funny about that CM Punk chant? I've seen they was randomly doing it. That's what they would do with with us. You, like a random Austin said, like Austin ain't coming out, it's like CM Punk is on. That type of level, that's like. He does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see it but I will say he does have a lot of haters too. A lot of people don't like CM Punk Spoil.
Speaker 4:I probably it when I see it.
Speaker 2:You know he plays football? Yeah, cause he makes his spears look like a tackle. Like I realized that he played with Calvin Johnson on Georgia State Damn, and he made the NFL for Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4:Damn Cody just getting bitched like that. Damn yeah. And he made the NFL for the Texas Trips.
Speaker 2:Damn Cody, just getting bitched like that.
Speaker 4:Record-breaking numbers, record-breaking sellouts.
Speaker 2:I didn't know he was cutting a promo.
Speaker 4:Because of Roman Reigns, your tribal chief, his camera, his ring, his fans His stream.
Speaker 2:He's slurping it a little.
Speaker 4:Raw is Roman, smackdown is Roman. That's why they gave him 5 billion, because look at who the champion is. The greatest of all time, roman Reigns. Throw them ones up.
Speaker 1:You're glazing a little too hard, but I can't get mad At how he loves Roman Because this is his era. So he feels like how I feel. He's been a wrestling fan 20 years oh shit, he's about to whoop him. He's been a wrestling fan 20 years oh shit, he's about to whoop him. That's why I can't believe you saying this man's the GOAT, he's the greatest I've ever seen.
Speaker 4:So who your top 5?
Speaker 2:all time.
Speaker 4:Roman Reigns, john Cena.
Speaker 2:Who's in your top 5?
Speaker 4:The Rock Stone Cold and Undertaker.
Speaker 1:See, we got similar. Like me, we got the exact five. Are Roman's in your top five? No, no, after you said your five was Rock, yeah, mine mine.
Speaker 2:It's not in order, but I would have the Rock, I'd have Undertaker, I'd have John Cena, I'd have Stone Cold and I'd have Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got the same five.
Speaker 3:We got the same exact five. Like I just said, I saw this man became the best heel and the best face.
Speaker 4:How many stars I?
Speaker 2:don't know about the best heel. Spencer McMahon is the best heel.
Speaker 3:In NWO, Hulk Hogan was the best heel in the business.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean at that time?
Speaker 3:In NWO he was the best heel when he turned heel when them fans threw that trash at him. Business. Oh, you mean at that time NWO is the best when he turned heel with them fans through that trash Greatest turn ever.
Speaker 1:That's yeah, god. They whooping these guys.
Speaker 4:Eric Bischoff's greatest creation is NWO.
Speaker 2:They ruined it, though, especially the Star King.
Speaker 3:That's one of the worst money buys on that pay-per-view, the poke of death or whatever, no, no, the Star King would sting.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was horrible.
Speaker 4:But that's what makes Roman Reigns so great. The whole NWO run could be summarized in the Bloodlines.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, they whooping this dude and we're still not tired of this, bro.
Speaker 4:The bloodline story is still going.
Speaker 2:To be fair, the bloodline. I do think, like dude, there's a couple mistakes I didn't like. I didn't like the whole Jimmy thing with Jay. That I still think was a mistake.
Speaker 3:I feel like it was necessary. No, I just I didn't like the flip flop.
Speaker 2:He started all this.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. That didn't make any sense. If you were beating the heel by yourself, I would have been okay, yeah, that's the thing he joined back.
Speaker 2:That's the thing that made no sense.
Speaker 4:He's protecting Solo the same way that he protects.
Speaker 2:No, they haven't even teased that dog. No, they haven't even teased that dog.
Speaker 1:No, they haven't even teased that I'm gonna ask y'all a question. I'm gonna ask this for you, easy too.
Speaker 3:And the fact that Before you say something. The fact I'm just surprised that Raw took this approach. Cody Rose getting beat Back to back Raw like that.
Speaker 2:That's how you know he's getting that chip, because he's getting that chip dog, he's got.
Speaker 1:Because before my question I will agree. I told you, because I don't think nobody enrolled Dusty, None of them. They never won a title before right.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:I will agree that if he do win that pop going to be crazy.
Speaker 4:I will.
Speaker 1:It is but my question. Okay, let's say I'm going to play devil's advocate. Let's say, for some reason, they don't go with that storyline. Let's say it's like you know what. Oh he loses. Yeah, what you think is the alternative?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be honest with you. If Roman Reigns wins, they will throw trash in that ring. I really do believe fans will be angry if he wins. Fans will be angry if he wins, and if he loses, or if he does win, I think he's going to hold it again for another year, of course, because he's not losing unless it's WrestleMania, and I think he's going to beat the Rock. I think he's going to hold it for another year Because the Rock and Roman is the match next year. Whether people like it or not, that will be the main event. I think that's going to be the Rock's last match. That.
Speaker 2:That would be the perfect way for you to end your career. Yeah, and I just don't know. I don't know who would be the guy. Maybe Bron Breaker when he comes up, because Bron's already on the main roster.
Speaker 1:Would it be?
Speaker 2:CM Punk somewhere when he get healthy. No, punk should not be the one to beat him. It has to be someone that could benefit.
Speaker 1:So, cody, right now, that pop was crazy. I will admit that I mean he and throwing hands and doing all this other crazy shit, but it was a pop like people was going crazy.
Speaker 2:So, man, and it reminds me of like it really does remind me of when Daniel Bryan cause, like I was, I look at Daniel Bryan as when he was at his peak, if you go look at some of the reactions he was getting it reminds me and I don't care you may be offended. It reminds me of when Stone Cold Would get certain reactions If you go back, you can honestly compare yes to what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember there was a segment. You can go back and find it. It was when Daniel Bryan was a part of the Wyatt family, when he shed the skin. It's ironic he actually doesn't remember that he said he got concussed. That moment, though, is one of the best raw moments ever.
Speaker 3:That and when he had all those fans in the ring.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know it's crazy when the hard cam is just shaking, the fans were going, like he was so good at getting people behind him, and I think Cody is very similar in that way. Now, granted, cody Cody is not as small as Daniel Bryan. Daniel Bryan was small, he was more relatable.
Speaker 1:He was like an underdog he was the underdog.
Speaker 2:Cody is an underdog, but it's not like he hasn't had success. You know what I mean. We know he's going to get there at some point. Daniel Bryan, we honestly did not know if he would ever get back to that title?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I think at that time you know.
Speaker 2:He wasn't even supposed to be in the main event.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they promoted Batista. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was ridiculous. By the way, One of the worst decisions I think they've ever made To have Batista win that Rumble.
Speaker 1:I don't understand that, and Easy made a good point. We was talking about this and you could probably say it better than me. He are great. You know when people wrestlers are great, when they don't need to have that title around their waist. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:And that's. I think that was my thing with Roman Because, like a lot of his mystique right now is him with the world championship. So, like my whole thing is, I want to see how great he is with Downey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I'm saying when he drops, I'm telling y'all, when he drops that title he is going because eventually he is going to be a babyface again and I think he is going to have a because before. That's how fans work, right, like you get booed at first. If they don't like you, then you turn heel. They like you and then you have that monster babyface run Like the Rock did. Right, the Rock, he was booed to all hell. Right, turned heel, then he was able to turn babyface and he was a monster babyface.
Speaker 4:I have to disagree with it. I think once Roman Reigns loses this title, he can ride off to the sunset.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, you think he'll retire.
Speaker 4:We don't have to see him without the title. He's already saved the dead of his life.
Speaker 2:You're not helping us right now. He loves.
Speaker 1:Roman, though. Come on though.
Speaker 2:Burrow's been champion for it's been three and a half years, it's been almost four years.
Speaker 4:This nigga's.
Speaker 2:Bruno Cimitino though it's been a long time dog.
Speaker 4:He saved SmackDown from.
Speaker 2:He did save.
Speaker 4:SmackDown I hate to say this because he's passed on. But Ray Wyatt and Bro, I wasn't going to be watching SmackDown, I'd be watching AEW if those were the main guys. Roman Reigns has carried SmackDown. He has carried the WWE. Once he loses this, it's done.
Speaker 2:And you know something else. I also think people forget, like when people say, oh, roman Doesn't wrestle enough, he doesn't wrestle enough. Roman used to wrestle so often Like. Forget. Like when he came back with the pandemic. People forget he had like about 5-6 years, like with the shield.
Speaker 3:But he was Mismanaged in those years he was but what was he gonna do?
Speaker 2:that's crazy. That's our throats is crazy.
Speaker 1:No, ditty, please Jesus.
Speaker 2:That was crazy.
Speaker 3:No, no, but like. I just said like, but was it? I need to see him as being the.
Speaker 2:God, no, no, no, I agree with you on that. But my thing is, like I get where you're coming from, because I don't get the impression that Roman wants to really stay after he drops that title Because, like, he has a lot of things to do post-wrestling career and I hate to say this, but the leukemia is there. It's possible to come back and I think if I'm Roman, I'm looking at this like, look, like of course he would probably want to, right, but he has a family. We know he hates the schedule, right, that's why he's got limited dates and on top of that, like I said, the leukemia stuff. And he already has the Hollywood Connect. He can go to Hollywood right now if he wanted to. So, like, I kind of get that he has nothing left to prove. He really doesn't.
Speaker 2:Even if Roman comes back and like, let's say he's mediocre in the ring, he's still Roman Reigns, fans will still love him, they'll cheer him, no matter what he does. Yeah, it's the same thing. The Rock. People forget that Roman, that Cena and Rock, that second match was trash. Oh, it was horrible. It was horrible, but nobody really it was bad. You thought it was good? Oh, it was a snooze fest, dog. Oh, and the Rock got hurt in the match.
Speaker 1:It was bad dog, it wasn't good, it was nobody cheering.
Speaker 2:It was like turn this off and then also another thing I hate about that match and they did this in 28. I don't know, like, maybe it's because John Cena's in there and I love John Cena, but he's not. He's a good wrestler, he's not someone I would lean on to carry a match like that, compared to other guys. And if you watch those, especially 28, at the end they were just reversing out of one move, reversing into the next.
Speaker 1:Was it the second one or the first one? Both they did it in both. Well, the first one was good because it was a non-title. It was a dream match. The first one was a great match.
Speaker 2:But if you look at the ending of that match, but especially in the second one, it was like rock bottom attempt. Oh, what's up?
Speaker 3:Do y oh for your Mac. Yeah, this is about the. Is it on this side?
Speaker 1:Is it right here? Is that it?
Speaker 3:Yeah that's it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's his charger. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, that match was bad though.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying go, look at it. It's like rock bottom attempt reverse AA, rock bottom attempt AA. Then they hit whatever move they want to hit. It's like it was the same thing for the last five, six minutes. I'm just saying I don't think that first match it was a great match but it didn't live up to all that hype.
Speaker 1:I mean, it wasn't rock holding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was not rock holding up to all that, I mean, was a rock holding yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah it was not rock. Okay, it was lucky better than that man, no rock. That match was not just the map like just the aura, or it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I felt like you guys got offended whenever I said their reverence was better than Stone Cold. But who? Who did Hulk Hogan choose to have that match with? He chose to wrestle with the Rock.
Speaker 3:No, but, I heard Stone Cold didn't want to do business. Yeah, I don't think Stone Cold liked the Rock, the match Hulk had lost, though.
Speaker 2:Like Stone.
Speaker 3:Cold. Yeah, yeah, no, no. But I think Stone Cold was more worried. I think he said it. He was more worried about the reaction, Because they like it's not even word. I think he said it. He was more worried about the reaction.
Speaker 2:It's not even just that I would be worried about Hulk Hogan changing the finish, because Hulk Hogan has a tendency to do that.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. I think when he came back in 02, it wasn't like they weren't happy.
Speaker 2:No, what I didn't like about Stone Cold is how he just walked out that was not cool.
Speaker 3:No, but you heard what happened. I get like about Stone Cold is how he just walked out that was not cool. I get that. No, I do. What happened again? He walked out because he looked at Vince. Vince told him to lose to Brock Lesnar on Monday night.
Speaker 2:I get that. I get that. That was bad. My thing is, though, I get that, but it's not the end of thing is though, but my thing is, though Yo, you got to. My thing is I get that, but like it's not the end of the world, dog You're losing to Brock Lesnar on a Monday.
Speaker 3:You guys never fought for four.
Speaker 2:There's nothing wrong, Nigga. Hulk Hogan lost to Brock Lesnar on Raw with a bear hug.
Speaker 3:No, hulk Hogan lost to Brock Lesnar thinking that he was going to go to Get a rematch. Yeah, I know, I know he thought he was going to but he didn't.
Speaker 1:That was bad, but he didn't.
Speaker 2:I'm sure they would have built eventually to a Stone Cold and Brock Lesnar like pay-per-view match Now granted-. A Monday night-.
Speaker 3:I get that.
Speaker 2:I get that, but at the end of the.
Speaker 3:Ring qualifier on Monday night.
Speaker 2:I mean, I get that, but sometimes so you walk out.
Speaker 3:I'm not walking out, but like is this really the?
Speaker 2:finish. I get that, but you got to do what you got to do.
Speaker 4:You got to do what you got to do.
Speaker 2:Roman lost to Finn Balor clean in his first match.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you just got to take the L. I think part of it too. I agree, if I'm watching I'd see him lose. I'm like bro, who's this nigga? You know what I'm saying? No, brock was cooking.
Speaker 2:He was cooking Brock was cooking, but as a kid, if I'm a nine-year-old kid watching Stone Cold lose, I'm like, but eventually you're going to know who Brock is.
Speaker 1:That's going to put him over part of it. Maybe would have been that you know what I'm saying, because he was already going through it.
Speaker 3:He was tired, he was tired of it. It was a lot and they did say at that time they didn't really know what to do with him.
Speaker 1:I remember too that when you talk about that time so we got guys right now that's like Roman Reigns is fighting. You know what I'm saying. Like here and there Back then it was the reason why I think a part of it was that guys that was so great in a short period of time is because you're talking about every Monday, thursday, sundays with Sunday night heat. You know what I'm saying Sometimes, yeah, velocity and things like that. So three, four years of like just show up and we watch them on TV was fine. Now you can take off days and just show up and do certain things. That's why, like the thing with Undertaker, that's why he gets so much praise, because he was that veteran in the locker room.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, especially with the whole Bret Hart Shawn Michaels incident. He was the guy in the middle that was like look, y'all ain't finna have this bullshit happening back here. Like he was the guy people looked up to. I mean it didn't stop. What happened though? Right, it was about to go down and shit. Like Bret Hart did all the bullshit back there. So that saved the company.
Speaker 2:So Undertaker played a huge part. The Montreal Screwjob saved WWE A huge part but at one cost. It did it, saved it.
Speaker 4:His worst storyline. He raved about the storyline.
Speaker 2:Stealing Stephanie McMahon.
Speaker 4:Hey, bro, okay, okay, we are applauding kidnapping, we are applauding sacrificing people, bro. That's what the Undertaker was during that era, but that was the oar To harp on a stone cold. He knew he was on borrowed time and he didn't make anybody on his way out. The key thing of business is after I leave, this ship should still be selling, and how many sales did he raise?
Speaker 1:well he's. I looked at the merchandise sales, he's number two. Yeah, he's still top five, uh, w merchandise sales, like 2023 but we're not talking about making uh, who was number one cm punk like.
Speaker 4:Think about it, stone cold left. Chris jericho. He's not a main eventer undertaker. He's not selling, though he's not. He's not a Manny Vitter Undertaker. Oh, he was a Manny Vitter. He's not selling, though he's not.
Speaker 2:He's not a draw.
Speaker 3:Well but who's really selling with Roman? Roman's not a draw. No, who's selling after Roman? Cody Rhodes will be that guy.
Speaker 1:That's the whole point of the match. We banking on that. That's how he will, but that's how this works, though, but that's how this works.
Speaker 2:Though Cody is still selling right now. He's the guy on Raw. Roman's not on Raw. Cody is the man. I know Seth Rollins, let's be honest. Cody is the man, he's the man on Raw. So he is that guy. He is that guy. And they have other guys Like. I do believe one day Bron Breaker will get there. I think Jade Cargill can get there.
Speaker 1:Gil can get there. That's why they're building these people up.
Speaker 2:Trick Williams can get there, Carmelo Hayes can get there, but the main guy, I think Bron Breaker. Bron Breaker will get there. All you gotta do give him the Goldberg push and he'll be fine, or give him the Ryback push. Give him the Ryback push. They almost had something with him. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:This whole Stone Cold dog.
Speaker 4:Come on, he's on the Mount Rushmore. But if you have to put one head, one inch higher, you'd put Roman Reigns in.
Speaker 2:I'm not with him on that. That's a little too much. I can't go there. I can't go there. I'm going to taste it. What's going to happen?
Speaker 1:Let's just say, for sake of argument, this might be his last match. He's going to the sunset Not talking about us. I know how you feel about Roman Reigns. What do you think the Americans would say? What do you rank Roman Reigns all time? If it's a top 5, what do you think most people would say?
Speaker 4:I think if people know wrestling and they know what he's done for wrestling Because you look at Independent shows, they're higher. And that's why because Roman Reigns Brought relevancy back to the product. He brought realism Back to the product. You look at Logan Paul, you look at LA Knight, you look at Jimmy and Jay People finally know them as.
Speaker 2:Even, even, even AEW. Aew has benefited From WWE's resurgence.
Speaker 4:And.
Speaker 2:I also think that's another guy. I don't know if y'all Follow AEW too much, but I believe one day MJF will be in WWE and he's going to be a top guy too. He's a star. He's too big for AEW. He does not need to be there anymore. Aew is great, don't get me wrong, but we've seen how Jade transitioned. I already knew she was going to come to WWE. She just is built for that. Mjf will be in WWE. Swerve Strickland will be in WWE again. I know he was there before, but he'll be back. Like a lot of guys are going to go back to WWE because now Triple H is running, jon Moxley will be back. It'll be a while because he just resigned. It'll be a while, but there's no way they're going to pass up doing that Shield reunion one more time. They will do it. Even if Roman just shows up for one more match, they'll do one more match.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to ask y'all, I'm going to play a little game. Trey, please be honest, I know you say you got him to go.
Speaker 2:Let's just everything I feel like we're arguing the wrong guy, by the way. I feel like we're just acting like John Cena is not in that convo too.
Speaker 4:I mean John Cena said that Roman Reigns Dude he's just has glazed Roman.
Speaker 2:He also once said Brock Lesnar was the GOAT before he's glazed a lot of dudes and Brock could have been Brock just left.
Speaker 1:That's an odd thing. That's one thing I hated when Brock Lesnar came back, this whole suplex city, shit. I know you're hating, you're hating.
Speaker 2:That is one of the greatest things of his character, he's ever done. You don't like he literally found out the formula to do the bare minimum and get the greatest out of it. Y'all right here.
Speaker 1:That's the whole point. What was the allegation in here? I have a question for you.
Speaker 2:Is Brock Lesnar not capable of actually killing every single guy on that roster?
Speaker 1:No for sure.
Speaker 2:That is the point of why he does one move to dominate, because he can actually do one real move and dominate these guys, I'm just saying, that era.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying that era.
Speaker 1:I'm just somebody. It was snoozefest matches.
Speaker 2:It's like we're back then when one brother, no, no, no, we first come to my like. When he came back like you see when he beat.
Speaker 4:I'm not gonna say snooze, so so sort of pops is fake. They did ages, they just Okay, okay, okay. I'm a question. We were wrestling three minutes. No stop what. We were wrestling three-minute matches, bro.
Speaker 2:Talking about the Goldberg match.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to ask y'all a question. Wait, y'all got Peacock. I know y'all got Peacock. Have y'all really like? Have you said? You know what I'm going to start from this episode?
Speaker 3:I would say Trey has, but I love my brother.
Speaker 2:Come on, come on. I mean, he's wrong on some of these. No, no, no.
Speaker 3:I said Trey has, but I ain't going to lie Like this blinder with Roman.
Speaker 1:Come on, let's think about it.
Speaker 2:Name Okay, let's not act like Gunther, Like there was a Gunther in the Attitude Era I got to see a fight.
Speaker 1:I don't know I got to see a fight.
Speaker 2:Okay, my point is dope with that. There weren't guys going out there having four or five star matches, oh for sure.
Speaker 1:I don't give a fuck about British Bulldog, you think?
Speaker 2:he was doing what Gunther was doing.
Speaker 4:I haven't seen a fight. I haven't seen a fight.
Speaker 2:No, I feel you there. Right, eddie was great. Dean Malenko, chris Benoit. But they weren't doing that every week because they weren't given the opportunity to do that every week and but they weren't doing that every week because they weren't given the opportunity to do that every week, and a lot of that came in the ruthless aggression at SmackDown 6. Stop bringing up SmackDown 6. I get it, it was great. Edge, that's your five.
Speaker 1:Chris.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's my five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm with it. That's my five too.
Speaker 2:I think that's like you know what.
Speaker 1:That's my five. Majority americans like five like that's what? Well, not in order, but because, you know why I'm gonna say that? Because they're not watching.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that I'm not. They watch and even then, I actually don't think that's true. I actually don't think that's true. I think people know who roman yeah, I think people can I ask somebody before?
Speaker 1:they stopped watching but heard that name before. Yeah, so it's there and I also think wrestling.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be honest. I think when most people Found out wrestling was fake, they stopped watching. And I think yeah, when it was scripted.
Speaker 1:They stopped watching Back then they was betting. They was betting on fights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like it's just kind of how it is now, you got to ask people that are still in like the product now.
Speaker 4:You can't ask people who stopped watching in 2005 because they don't watch the product. What did I say? I asked my pops.
Speaker 3:And he's been watching for 40 years. He's been watching prop 40, 50 years. He's still watching it to this day. He told me the attitude.
Speaker 2:Of course, because that's his nostalgia.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, but he keeps up with it constantly. Honestly, he's talking about it and I think. But he's told me the and I think I'll say this he thinks the greatest group is still the Four Horsemen. I like the Four Horsemen.
Speaker 2:That's fine, that's fair, but I think the best. The group is one thing, but I think the best group is the NWO. That's the best group that wrestling's ever had.
Speaker 1:But I can see why you say it.
Speaker 2:They changed the business for everybody. They got prostituted though they got prostituted though they got prostituted. That's crazy. I do think, in the future, though, the Shield will be in that convo when they're done, because they're all going to go off to have Insane careers. They're already doing it. You see it, they're the faces of wrestling right now.
Speaker 1:Full Horseman, who was in that group again.
Speaker 2:Rick Arn Anderson.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:They were great. I'm not going to deny that, but I'm just saying I lost my train of thought. What was I even just saying before I got into that?
Speaker 3:I just told you about my pops, so it was the Attitude Era. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I don't think. I think the Attitude Era is great. I don't think it's the best era to really rank it yet. It really just started off in the 2020s. But I think the Ruthless Aggression era the 2000s, is the best era of WWE. That is the best.
Speaker 1:How is it not? Well, I'm going to say this oh, what you're going to say, sir.
Speaker 4:That's the best. We only got in the situation because John Cena, Ray, Newer and Batista but that was after. That's after, though.
Speaker 2:Okay, what's the Ruthless Aggression era to?
Speaker 4:you yeah.
Speaker 2:But that is not true. Batista did not flop, he got hurt. Yeah, all film.
Speaker 4:Batista flopped. But that is not true. Batista did not flop. Batista had his first and his second title ring. He had his first one for a minute.
Speaker 2:He got hurt yeah.
Speaker 4:Then he came back. He had a decent one, and what?
Speaker 2:happened. He lost to Deontay King in one of the best streak matches.
Speaker 4:They tried making him fake. They tried making him, you know, and he left no time out run. That was the best run of his career.
Speaker 2:Look, I have to be on like a kill side. Viewership and attendance. No, I agree. Look, I agree that that late 2000s, which that's not even the ruthless aggression era anymore, by the way, when you're talking about, that's not the regression era. Ruthless aggression era is like 2002 to 07, like you said, that five-year period where they had kurt angle, chris benoit, sean mich Michaels, the earlier stages of John Cena, even the Batista AAA storyline. That is one of the best stories they've ever done. And WrestleMania 21 did not have any crazy stars like that. It had stars but there was no guys from the past. The Rock wasn't there, stone Cold wasn't there. That's still one of the best manias they've ever done. Even Bize all that, the best manias they've ever done. Even Bize All that One of the best they've ever done. So that is, cap, what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I grew up on that era and I can take the glasses off and see.
Speaker 2:But what period are you talking about? You're talking about post.
Speaker 4:I'm talking about 2002 to 2007.
Speaker 2:You didn't think that was a good era.
Speaker 4:It wasn't as good as the Attitude Era. No, it was a drop off in quality.
Speaker 2:No, the matches got better, the stories got better. The stories didn't get better. Yes, they did the stories didn't get better. Yes, they did the stories, okay, but actually I want to say the stories, but the matches definitely got better.
Speaker 4:The matches got better.
Speaker 2:But it's just not enough. I think it's on pace to be the best, but it's not enough time it's already been.
Speaker 4:It's only been like what Four years? They're not comparing it to the ruthless aggression era. They're comparing this era to the attitude era for a reason.
Speaker 2:But that's because, oh bro, I'm sorry, niggas, just just I'm sorry y'all niggas just glazed the attitude error too much. I'm sorry. The attitude error is great, but I think it's because wrestling was at its hottest at that time, not even just WWE. Wcw was at its hottest. There was competition, right, and I think it's reminiscent to now right, because you have AEW doing this thing. But AEW is not real competition. I hate to say it. It's not Actually. No, it is competition. It's not competition in terms of numbers, but I think they're motivating each other to be better Because, if you notice, anytime AEW does a certain thing, wwe tries to one-up it, even whether it's a show. And they're also competing for talent too. Sasha Banks just went to AEW, okada just went to AEW. Will Ospre Banks just went to AEW. Okada just went to AEW. Will Ospreay just went to AEW. They're getting talent there Now. Granted, the story's not so much.
Speaker 1:It was just, I think. And another thing too it was one of those things where you didn't know what you was going to get every Monday. So, like, some of the best moments for me watching in that era was when you had Mike Tyson come and him, and Austin is in the ring, you got the Austin type Logan Paul's better.
Speaker 2:He's a better celebrity cameo than him.
Speaker 1:You know what Mike Tyson was. He was just there to be the enforcer. It was because Mike Tyson was one of the biggest stars in all the sports. It was one of them things, so they benefited off of that.
Speaker 2:It's, like Logan's, one of the biggest stars in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah sure, even Bad Bunny, Bad Even.
Speaker 2:Bad Bunny. He is. Bad Bunny Is a bigger star Than Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1:It was just, it was just.
Speaker 2:But in 90 we got things At that time, in 97, bad Bunny is a bigger star Than Mike Tyson ever was. That's just a fact. Bad Bunny is a. Let's not act like that now.
Speaker 1:Bad Bunny is a star, but he's he's my artist Versus sport. Come on, I get that Even then, hell no, you're tweaking dog, you're tweaking, I'm tweaking because he was All.
Speaker 4:I do think that Donnie B up getting Mike Tyson. They said it was impressive for the time.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what.
Speaker 4:I'm saying For that time it was impressive Because that was a risk you got to remember at that time we talking about Don King Tyson Jail.
Speaker 2:Like we talking at that time, it worked. Bad Bunny is one of the 10 biggest artists in the world.
Speaker 1:And Tyson was one of the three biggest athletes in the world at that time. Even.
Speaker 2:Don King Tyson. You think he was a bigger star than Bad Bunny is?
Speaker 1:Because y'all remember that time in 97. This was after the Holyfield-Tyson first match.
Speaker 2:I can't agree with that.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, he just bit Holyfield's ear and he's still getting cheered at that time there wasn't.
Speaker 2:no doubt he was a big star. I'm not denying he was a big star, but he wasn't a bigger star than what Bad Bunny is right now.
Speaker 1:But you said 10. I knew you said 10, but I will agree and say Bad Bunny's the top five artist in the world. I'll say five.
Speaker 2:You can even say top five. I'll say five, you can even say top five. That's fine so but, oh my God, do you remember when Bad Bunny came out? You never seen it.
Speaker 4:I didn't see it. I knew you wouldn't agree.
Speaker 2:When he came out at Backlash for his entrance, that is one of the greatest entrances I have ever seen. It was like a concert.
Speaker 1:It was a concert, okay, but did he fight anybody?
Speaker 2:He did. He had a match, he had a couple matches Banger of a match.
Speaker 4:Banger match. That match made Damian Priest a star.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Because they were like we trust you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And you can deliver.
Speaker 2:With anybody. Come on, that was a great match. I know y'all going to agree with that. That blame Damian Priest.
Speaker 1:But all I'm saying is that just that wasn't my whole point. All I was saying. That was a moment for me. Another one was when Tyson came out with you didn't know what the fuck Austin was going to do.
Speaker 2:He came out with the whole beer truck, got on top and jumped over Like it was just things you didn't know what you were going to get.
Speaker 3:You want to say it's more of an iconic moment. I agree it is Because, bad Bunny, even though that was a great moment for you on that Mike Tyson's what happened my phone.
Speaker 2:I'm all good, I'm UConn.
Speaker 3:Who's?
Speaker 4:winning that game, uconn baby Shit. So you want to learn something about today's era, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, tell us.
Speaker 4:I just want to talk about the mid-card. Let's just name mid-cards and really see who's really stacking. Because you mentioned mid-carders and really see who's really stacking, because you mentioned mid-carder but you started with. He's going to look at the name value, though you started naming tag teams.
Speaker 2:They tag team on mid-carder Hardy and.
Speaker 4:Edge.
Speaker 3:No Edge was a mid-carder.
Speaker 4:He wasn't a single-star. He wasn't a single-star. He wasn't single-star. Who's my tag?
Speaker 3:team number. No, no, no, after 01,.
Speaker 2:he was EW, but after 01, that's not the attitude era, that's the Ruthless Aggression era.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, so we talking about tag teams.
Speaker 2:No Mid-card, like when we say Gunther and we say Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. Right, you may not know some of these, I know you know these guys.
Speaker 3:Gunther, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Chad Gable.
Speaker 2:I'll say Jericho, I'll say Ben Jericho, and I know you're gonna. You're gonna look at the names Of these guys Instead of what they were Actually doing. Then you gotta go Angle too, kurt.
Speaker 1:Angle, angle, angle, I'll go. Angle was a Angle, was he was a fast riser.
Speaker 2:How about that? His rookie year, he became a main eventer Basically. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'll go, are we?
Speaker 1:throwing the tag teams too. No, you want to say tag teams? Yeah, I mean, well, hardy's, it's like just three of them, what yeah?
Speaker 2:You got.
Speaker 1:Hardy's, you know what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying oh my God. No, you can say three of them, oh my God.
Speaker 2:Nah, we can name more than three in this era. No, no, no, but they three are this era, though, but they're three of like top ever, though, and then mind you. There's another thing about this era NXT. If you throw NXT in there with a lot of stuff, it's not even close.
Speaker 1:It's not even close, but you got to understand with those three. But we saw, are we including the black and gold era? But here's the thing, though, what y'all say, but this is the risk in doing things that just they had to be spot, monkeys, trey, what, what's happening.
Speaker 3:You say spot monkey is crazy.
Speaker 2:You can say spot monkey.
Speaker 3:Mankind was a spot monkey, no no, no, trey can say spot monkeys, but only one of them didn't end up being a world champion. What?
Speaker 2:does that mean that has nothing to do with the attitude? No, no, no, I'm just saying like you.
Speaker 3:What does that mean? That has nothing to do with the attitude. No, no, no, I'm just saying, like you're saying, spotbuckling but these guys eventually were world champions. Only two of them were no, no, no Only. Oh, what you mean? Edge and Christian, not Christian.
Speaker 2:Edge and Matt Hart, no, Edge and Jeff In different promotions.
Speaker 3:No Edge was a world champion warrant. That wasn't a world champion.
Speaker 2:No, matt Hardy didn't become world champion, deepaw wasn't.
Speaker 3:Christian didn't become.
Speaker 2:In different promotions.
Speaker 3:Man, I don't care about it I'm talking about in WWE. No, no, I'm talking about Christian, and Matt Hardy didn't do nothing.
Speaker 4:They didn't do nothing.
Speaker 3:I don't care about that little easy title. Run them niggas. Had Ray was a. What was the mother from?
Speaker 2:come on. Billy Ray, actually, I think was good. Billy Ray was actually good, but that I don't count that's TNA and he got throwing numbers.
Speaker 1:He got throwing DX to that. That was part of that was.
Speaker 2:I guess, dude, you got in the fan short ass.
Speaker 1:Run them niggas had but this is the thing I think see y'all like the.
Speaker 2:Why you don't like Undertaker?
Speaker 4:I love Undertaker. I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:Dude the attitude. There was not a good attitude.
Speaker 1:The only Undertaker I just didn't care for was from.
Speaker 2:He was trying to bomb Steve Austin on TV.
Speaker 4:The Undertaker that we love.
Speaker 1:From 91 to 90. He was 38 years old, he was good through the years Wrestler-wise, but as far as like 91 to like 95, I can understand From.
Speaker 2:Wrestlemania 21 On. That's when Undertaker became. You can say that Some of his best matches.
Speaker 1:But as far as his character wise, no, his worst stuff Comes in the attitude area. I'm gonna say worse, though that's like Not worse.
Speaker 2:It's not like he was horrible. His worst matches Come from there. If it was bad, he would've got.
Speaker 1:That's why nobody.
Speaker 2:That's why nobody talks about that earlier part of the streak, because it was horrible.
Speaker 1:He had some bad but that was the whole point. That's why Kane was so vital. Kane was great, but that's the thing they were saying.
Speaker 2:They had to keep going back to that, because nothing else was working.
Speaker 1:That's the thing, the reason why Kane was so important. Remember him versus Sid. That's my point.
Speaker 2:They were saying but that's the thing, the reason why.
Speaker 1:Kane was so important he came in 97. Remember him versus Sid, right? So that's my point. So remember they were saying what the thing was, if Kane never came at that point it would have been, I know right, no, did he. But if he didn't make an appearance at that time, that's why they say we needed to find an opponent for Undertaker, because he was just dominated over everyone. So that's why the Kane character was so important for Undertaker's career.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, because that it saved him.
Speaker 1:It really did. Because I'm going to tell you something If Kane never existed and he would have kept beating everybody's ass and just beating everybody Up until Stone Cold became that guy, it would have been like well damn, that's another knock on the Undertaker.
Speaker 2:The Undertaker had a ceiling. As much as people love him, he was never going to become the guy. His character really wouldn't really allow that. He's not, because when you have the guy you want to send him to do media appearances, you want them to do. This prep Undertaker was never going to become that guy, that's fine.
Speaker 3:That's fine.
Speaker 2:But he is the best character that Vince McMahon ever made.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah yeah, and he protected kayfabe a lot. He protected kayfabe.
Speaker 1:He's on the first chapter, but he'll never beat the guy. But that's the thing.
Speaker 3:I don't think he never wanted to. He never wanted to beat the guy.
Speaker 1:Right, so that was the whole point with the whole thing. That's what made it to Easy Points. He was saying he was so great he didn't need a title around his waist. I'll say he made guys, but you want to know what's crazy.
Speaker 2:Other than Kane. He made guys after the Attitude Era he did. Randy Orton went to a new level after he feuded with the Undertaker.
Speaker 1:What about Kane?
Speaker 2:Edge went to a new level after he I just said after Edge went to a new level after he just said after oh, yeah, yeah, edge went to a new level and after a few to an undertaker, batista went to a new level.
Speaker 4:Jeff.
Speaker 3:Hardy went to a new level after he faced a undertake.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, that's, but that was the question. Era Kurt Angle went to a new level. After he feed up with the Undertaker, he made guys.
Speaker 3:Well, triple H was okay, the first one yeah, the the first, first one.
Speaker 2:okay, that is their best match. By the way, I actually think that's their best. The 17 match that was good. The 27 and 28 one. They're good. I think the 28 one's kind of gassed a little bit, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie Watching that. I really thought that was gonna be it and I think the fans would've been okay if that was the end, because Shawn Michaels. When he got that sweet chin I said, that fall is crazy, but the match is not really that crazy.
Speaker 2:though it's a great match. Though it's a good match.
Speaker 1:It's just kind of.
Speaker 4:Do you take the Usos over the Dudley boys?
Speaker 2:You know he's not going to say that.
Speaker 3:I can't sit here. My whole thing is the Usos are good. And I said I think sitting here, like my whole thing is the Usos are good, and I said I think they'll be one of the four best tag teams in the attitude era. But like I can't really just kind of just sit there and say it because I don't know, no, it's not even too soon.
Speaker 2:Are the Deadlies even better than the New Day? Oh, come on, Really no y on.
Speaker 4:Really, dog, y'all kidding me, dog. It's like a better tag team than Edge and Christian.
Speaker 1:You say who.
Speaker 4:I think they're a better tag team than Edge and Christian.
Speaker 1:Who Dudleys?
Speaker 4:I think the only tag team I take from Attitude Era and put in today are the Hardys.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Because they're on the girls' level, because they're still in the girls' level.
Speaker 2:I think the Hardys also are timeless. Yeah, they're timeless.
Speaker 4:They're still doing their thing in AEW, but other than the ABA the Headbangers.
Speaker 2:That's another thing you like boxing and threads.
Speaker 1:Nah, I don't Nah those tattoos I got. Now I take that, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. But back to the Dudleys and the Usos.
Speaker 2:I can't really say nothing because, like, obviously, fucking Usos are using their special Not only that, but the Usos are the only tag team to main event at WrestleMania.
Speaker 3:And then the Dudleys.
Speaker 2:The only tag team.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, and you're right but you can arguably say the Dudleys stole the show at 17. They did.
Speaker 2:Stole the show Over the Rock in.
Speaker 3:Austin, that was a four-way match dog. That doesn't even.
Speaker 2:You can't say the Dudleys were the only ones who stole the best spot in the match, didn't even come with the Dudleys. What are you talking about? I'm just saying like that whole triple threat, though stole the show.
Speaker 3:That was six people. It don't matter if it was six people, what I'm just saying. It don't matter if it was six people, what I'm just saying it don't matter if it was six people that do matter. No, but you're talking about they may have invented.
Speaker 2:And besides, another thing also. Don't get me wrong, that was an insane match, but let's be real, like a lot of those spots can be replicated today Easily. It's just because a lot of those huh Wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wouldn't do that, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:People took risks Because it was new right Whenever you're trying to break something in. You got to push the envelope, like when the Hell in a Cell first started. They pushed the envelope because you had to establish the structure.
Speaker 3:I will say this Undertaker went on record and said that one when Mick Finley fell through the cage.
Speaker 2:that was not supposed to happen. That makes sense, and I also think they got better with certain.
Speaker 4:I think they got better stipulations after, and I also think they got better with certain.
Speaker 2:I think they got better stipulations after. I think the Elimination Chamber is a great stipulation. The Money in the Bank, I think, is the best stipulation they've ever had. Well, maybe the Rumble, I guess, could be better, because that's a stipulation match. But the Money in the Bank, I think, has created moments that, like man, we'll never see again. Like the Seth Rollins, cash-in is one of the best endings to a WrestleMania.
Speaker 3:What about Edge? You don't think so I don't know about Edge.
Speaker 2:Edge's cash-in is great.
Speaker 1:That was a shock. That was a shock.
Speaker 2:Dolph Ziggler's cash-in was great. That's, man. Out of the loud reactions I've heard on the TV show, when Dolph Ziggler cashed in is one of the best. That was a crazy reaction. That's reaction like that's something that, like, we wanted to yeah, everybody wanted. And daniel bryan's cash-in was great, even though that one, you know, it came out of nowhere. That actually came out of nowhere, uh. But you know, cm punk's cash-in all those cash-ins have except the ones that people lose all those cash-ins have been great, you know, and those are things that happen post attitude. I think y'all, and I get it. There was a dead period. There was a dead period that mid-2010s, early 20s man.
Speaker 1:It was bad. It's equivalent to post-Golden Era pre-attitude. Yeah they were getting their ass beat by WCW 1990 until 95. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You can argue the same thing with 2010. If Bret Hart doesn't get screwed and he just leaves, does the attitude error even happen? It still happens.
Speaker 1:It still happens. It just will happen in a different way. How? Because Stone Cold.
Speaker 2:But Vince McMahon became a heel because of that moment, though. Right, but it's. How does that? Austin's rival was Vince McMahon, can we agree? Hell yeah, though. How does that? Austin's rival was Vince McMahon, can we agree? Hell yeah, he doesn't have an antithesis, though, is it the Rock? The Rock was his villain through Vince McMahon, the corporation at first. So how do you get to that destination?
Speaker 3:I think it's two things that you can even add on to what happens with Bret Hart if he doesn't leave.
Speaker 2:And also what happens if Shawn Michaels is healthy. Yeah, exactly, that's another thing If Shawn Michaels the back injury and some people think he faked that, but you know, that's that.
Speaker 3:You know there's a wrestling match in 2000 that he wrestled in.
Speaker 2:While he had the back injury. See what.
Speaker 4:I'm saying that's what made him want to come back, though that's what made him want to come back.
Speaker 3:It was a wrestling match in 2000 and I saw he was wrestling in some Texas promotion.
Speaker 1:So basically you're asking if Shawn Michaels was never hurt.
Speaker 2:No, not if Shawn, if the screwdriver never happened, let's say Brett agreed to just lose. Let's say he agreed to lose and they just had Sean win. If that happens and Brett just goes to WCW and let's say Brett doesn't even get hurt in WCW, there's a good chance. The Attitude Era never exists and WCW just destroys them, niggas.
Speaker 4:I don't think that happens. I think Vince is a psychopath that wouldn't accept Defeat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was going to happen at some point.
Speaker 4:But they were losing. And then here's the thing with the attitude error. I think, because Vince's feature is so heavily, that's going to have an impact. Oh yeah, that will hurt the yeah and like I use that to compare this angle Like Roman Reigns is the top heel. He's been that consistently and he's an actual wrestler. So whenever I say that he's doing it in a position that nobody's ever done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, if you had to throw in names of what made the Attitude Air what it was, it's Vince McMahon. Of course, jim Ross with the commentary because he has some of the most iconic moments ever Stone Cold. You got to throw in DX when they first started because that played a part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a nightly run.
Speaker 1:Right, and then you throw in the Rock once he. So it's moments like that. So a lot of times I don't think we have to. Okay, I'm going to use this as an example. I'm a Miami Hurricane fan for football since I was a kid. We all some of you are like will the old Hurricanes ever come back? No, because that was a moment that's not going to happen. So I think sometimes in wrestling I don't think this era has to compete with the attitude or even be better. Like it's moments, right.
Speaker 4:They've taken the best. They've taken what's made it great. They've taken the recipe. They've shaved off the excess, the Ben Zaruso parts. And now with storylines. You actually have to pay attention to this dialogue. It's not thorough. They're not just saying it, they're not just trying to be funny, they're not just trying to be cool, they're not just trying to get a tagline. They're saying this because it's going to mean something in three months. It's going to mean something in one year.
Speaker 2:They drop pants.
Speaker 4:That's what I really love about this era Because, as a wrestling fan, I come in every single week and I know if I paid attention last week, this is going to pay off. And I pay attention this week, it's going to pay off.
Speaker 1:And I can't. During the attitude era, the whole time Jerry Springer was one of the top primetime shows. You can get away with a lot. Girls can splash their boobs. They can show it on TV. It's whatever. It's just whatever on TV, so it's crazy.
Speaker 2:And bra and panty matches.
Speaker 1:Right Bra and panty matches. You know what I'm saying. So there's a lot of things that's happened on TV around that time, what's happening outside of wrestling. So I think now there are some positives. What I've seen in the first hour, I fucking love the visuals. The visuals is top tier. It's the whole Roman reign with the little shit that he got. That's, that's live. You know I'm saying um, I like the whole Pat McAfee edition. A lot of things are our cinema, but it's different times right now. They got it, I think. One thing I think wrestling could do maybe they probably did this already and I might be wrong is that try to hide some of the things that could be shock value, like, oh shit, this person's returning. I've already seen this on Twitter.
Speaker 4:I feel like CM Punk was here while nobody knew he was coming.
Speaker 2:Even though he was here. Some people thought there was a chance. They thought it was a chance it's because and they did it a smart way, right when, like, they made it look like Randy Orton wasn't going to show up and some people were like, oh, it's going to be CM Punk. Then Randy Orton shows up and I'm glad Orton got his moment too, because I was scared they were going to boo him Because they thought it was going to be Punk. And then afterwards they put the logo on everybody's okay, I guess he's not coming out and they hit the music, just like that.
Speaker 4:I feel like that was just them speculating, you know, same with the day. We've been speculating for nine years now. It's just they were finally right, you know. Yeah, he was finally coming back this time and also, I think cm punk him even coming back because he he had the podcast and then he spoke about the culture being a big toxic, like.
Speaker 3:Toxic you don't have people getting bullied.
Speaker 4:You don't have major drug use. Everybody's there because they have fun wrestling and I think the Attitude Era.
Speaker 2:it was obvious that they were having fun while they were out there entertaining us, but they were also doing some fucked up shit though, yeah, but they were having fun doing it the same way they're having fun now.
Speaker 4:I'm talking about the hazing. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:The hazing was crazy. I'd be hearing some of the hazing stories.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, Bob Holly boo JBO.
Speaker 2:Even like when the Miz talks and I know that was later on, but when the Miz talks about how like he got bullied and he had to eat food and change in, like the public bathrooms Dog, that is so mean it was a different time back then.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That was that era, and Roman and I actually, like that Roman did something, because I remember you remember Malachi Black, what's his name? Alistair Black? When he was in WWE. He told a story about how, like when he was in Japan, he would pick up like trash in the locker room after every show in his first year. And he was doing that in WWE. When he got to the main roster and rowan pulled him.
Speaker 2:So I was like dude, you've been wrestling for like a long time, you do not need to be doing this, you know? Like just chill, just just relax, you know. But back then, like that was how things were. Like I remember mark henry when he talked about, uh, how leo rush didn't want to pick up, give water bottles to people when they came backstage, right, which I wouldn't do that shit. I'm not even gonna lie to you, I don't care if I'm a new guy, whatever, I don't care what the rituals are, I'm not doing that shit. And Mark Henry was like, oh, the Rock used to do it, stone Cold used to do it Do you think you're bigger than the Rock? But like that's the mentality they had back. That was just how things were. He's just following the culture that was there before, but nowadays it's a lot more free. It's a lot more, and maybe you could say it's too free. It's more opinionated.
Speaker 3:And also you could maybe say cancel. Culture has kind of dimmed down a lot of things they can do. But with that it's more like, like you said, it's free, and also you've got stars that's coming in. Louis Paul ain't putting it on our damn threshold yeah. You and then, like Logan Paul, ain't gonna get a little damn thrash, yeah, yeah, there's no way. You know. There's guys that just when they sign like their head and shoulders are already above.
Speaker 2:Yeah, logan's had like. I can count how many matches he's had on like one hand or two, and he's already the US champion, so it's like I feel like they just know better.
Speaker 4:Now it's like WWE superstars they've had rocks, they've had austere comes and they set the status quo. I feel like wrestlers still might do the water thing, but it's not always like an ego thing.
Speaker 2:And to be honest, I will say this too Even though I say I wouldn't do the water thing, it doesn't sound like it is the worst thing, Not even like the picking up bags holding people's bags.
Speaker 1:that's ridiculous oh, that was in all sports too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy but I will say, sometimes you do kind of have to just just humble yourself a little bit, you know, because at the end of the day not the bag stuff, uh, but certain other things, you know. Whatever it is, it may be, if it's something minor, then like I wouldn't trip too much, just depending on what it is.
Speaker 4:One thing I like about today's era, too, is that Triple H has more on his task. And then every title, even the women's tag title, which is fairly new. They're still trying their hardest, their damn hardest, to build these women's tag teams up, and that's something that I have to say, it's not there yet, though the women's tag titles, and that's something that I have.
Speaker 2:It's not there yet, though it's still with his tag titles.
Speaker 4:It's like two years old.
Speaker 2:Damn, it's really that low that short, I was thinking it was a little longer. It feels like it's been around for a minute too. And you know something else also I like that they have the PC, they have NXT, they have a place where people can develop, because I think that's something that like, for example, I mean man Goldberg right, goldberg could have used a PC, because the way I never even noticed how dangerous he was, oh yeah, he was so dangerous. You know, guys like Goldberg, even like and there's a couple of guys that weren't like the safest or the best in like Ultimate Warrior was not a great in-ring wrestler, not great.
Speaker 4:That's a long time ago. Big Show really wasn't good until 2003 either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, big Show he was lazy, but also Big Show was a better athlete back then so he could do certain moves like he was doing elbow. He was doing elbow, drops you know like. Big Show could do some, but in.
Speaker 1:If they did have NXT, it was much needed and that was like their See. Back then it was like Heat velocity, but it was like it wasn't like developmental, it was guys that couldn't make the main, no, but like.
Speaker 3:OBW Was supposed to be their thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had things like. Even later on they made like FCW. They've always had things yeah, roman came from there, seth came from there, they had things like that. But like NXT is a better, I think, product because it puts you on national TV.
Speaker 4:They're on USA.
Speaker 2:They cut promos, they have stories continuously. They'll have guys from the main roster come up, like I miss when they had NXT on Survivor Series. Yo, we're going to kind of try to wrap it up.
Speaker 3:But I'm going to wrap it up with some rapid fire.
Speaker 2:What's up? Uh-oh, okay, we should be getting questions.
Speaker 3:Probably.
Speaker 4:First one who needs this match more, Cody or Roman? I think Cody needs to win it, but I think WWE really needs to think long-term in the mirror and really consider it. If Roman Reigns, losing is the wise choice.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say as a casual, just looking from the outside in who needs it. I would say Cody yeah.
Speaker 2:I agree. I think Cody needs it because, at the end of the day, he's the one trying to finish the story. Roman will be fine.
Speaker 1:I know he's your boy but he'll be fine. Shit. Honestly, the fans need it shit. Honestly, I see the fans.
Speaker 3:I want a question for both of y'all. I'm going to let you guys respect me and Akil respect me. Give me five of your modern day guys. Akil, give me five attitude guys.
Speaker 2:Five best or my five favorite.
Speaker 3:Five best.
Speaker 2:Ooh, five best. When you say modern. What year? Post this year? Okay, post-covid, post-covid, okay, okay. I would say obviously Roman. I would say, ooh, this is tough. I say Cody, roman, I'm not too big of a fan. I'm a fan but I'm not too big. But I got to respect Seth Rollins. He's up there. Damn, that's when it gets tough. After Seth, let me throw two females in there. Let me throw two females because I got to respect what they're doing. I say Rhea and I'd say let me say Bianca. I say Rhea and Bianca. Those are the five.
Speaker 4:I really don't differ much, I have to say the people who entertain me the most this past year. I have to say Roman Reigns, of course, the Tribal Chief. I say Bianca Belair, I say Rhea Ripley. I'm very high on this guy. I think Trick Williams is on pace for great things within WWE WB, and then so I run this off. I like say Cody Rose, like this listen, it isn't in any set honorable mission. Would be Dominic who said not even the honorable.
Speaker 2:Oh actually, I'm sorry, I got a replace set with Gunther. I didn't even think about that. I got gotta man Seth. He's just falling out of everybody's list.
Speaker 4:It's just like I like Seth whenever he's a regular human Like this.
Speaker 2:This cackling bullshit that he's doing. It's not. It Like.
Speaker 4:Seth Rollins trying to be Heath Ledger's Joker.
Speaker 2:It's cool, but I think he's a better heel than Babyface I feel like this Seth Rollins would have fit perfectly in the Attitude Era. I can see that. I feel, like this Seth Rollins hey, he would look, he'd be like.
Speaker 1:Y2J from back then how he came out. He'd be like Y2J.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he'd be like Y2J. I agree he's the modern day. Sounds crazy. I think he's the modern day, shawn Michaels, to be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do See. I would've thrown Shawn Michaels Cause he God, but I'm gonna go Rock Stone Cold Taker.
Speaker 2:Wow you're not gonna play Shawn Michaels, but he missed four years. He missed four years, yeah.
Speaker 1:That 97-01. He didn't really.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He got hurt so.
Speaker 1:I'm putting him. Put him in that before, even though he was part of it a little bit, but not really. Rock Stone Cold Taker. I fucking hated Triple H, so we're going with my favorite. I'm not going to throw him in that motherfucker, I'm going to throw him in Hardy Boys. That's two.
Speaker 2:That's two right there.
Speaker 1:So we're going to do that. Yeah, a lot of it. Ah, fuck that. Okay I'm. I still want to throw in Chris Jericho at my favorite, who gets the fifth so we do Rock Taker.
Speaker 2:Stone Cold Jericho, jericho who gets that fifth spot, fuck.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, I'm going to have to throw in Cock, even though he's a hot guy, you put Undertaker in there. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:For that era.
Speaker 1:You must love the Undertaker, because I still, because, as a kid too, I just love the badass character too.
Speaker 3:No, no, no the thing about it is you gotta like as much as Undertaker didn't win the world title, like he was always a contender, like you know, at the end of the day, it's not that.
Speaker 2:The nigga. Nigga had shit matches dog.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, but it's not about that.
Speaker 2:But then we're watching matches, aren't we? Well, if I did that, I got. You said you like 17? I like 17. I mean 17,. Don't get me wrong, Undertaker. I'm not saying he couldn't have good matches. He could. But, Undertaker, I don't know what it was, but he had such a resurgence that second half. It was insane.
Speaker 3:No, he was a better wrestler. No doubt even his character was more realistic it was never realistic.
Speaker 2:But the American Badass was a more realistic. It was a better character than the dead the gothic dead man.
Speaker 1:So which area are you talking about with that? Because, remember, you had different parts of Taika he talked about Undertaker 06 like when he did the American Badass.
Speaker 2:When he did the American Badass. Gimmick, like when he was facing Shawn Michaels and even when he brought the dead man back in WrestleMania 20. Yeah, 04. That was a better version of the dead man gimmick than like that Attitude Era shit when he was the Acolytes and he was fucking.
Speaker 1:Corporate Ministry.
Speaker 2:That was trash dog. I'm sorry, like that was bad. Oh my God, that storyline is one of the worst that I know. When he kidnapped Stephanie.
Speaker 4:And, oh my god, I'm the.
Speaker 1:Stone Cold Wrestling for the services of Denver. Don't do that. No, they took that out. They exit that out. They took it out. They took it out. No, no, no, they took it out.
Speaker 2:We are not disrespecting 17, dog. No, sir, we are not we are not.
Speaker 1:We are not disrespecting 17, dog. Oh no, we are not, I'm not going to lie, 39.
Speaker 2:39.
Speaker 1:Don't you say it, 39 is up there. No, I'm going to tell you this. Okay, I'm going to tell you I don't know about 38, because we can't. I'm going to tell you about that main event, kind of let me down.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm going to say this I don't know I'm going to.
Speaker 2:I was roaming in Brock, right? You like that match?
Speaker 3:Okay, I don't know about that, one of the rest of the meetings that I really like. I like 19, kurt Angle and Brock.
Speaker 2:Lesnar yeah, yeah, that's the last Stone Cold match, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Shawn Michaels Faced Jericho Booker T, even though Guy Booker T and Triple.
Speaker 1:H.
Speaker 2:That was horrible.
Speaker 1:And then you got. I remember WrestleMania 17 had the greatest promo Limp Bizkit my way.
Speaker 4:That's why it's High club though, bro, like that little Three minute clip.
Speaker 2:What the but even then, if we're talking about moments, even look at Wrestlemania 30. Wrestlemania 30 had arguably the best Wrestlemania.
Speaker 1:Whether you hate it or not.
Speaker 2:The streak ending is one of the most Shocking moments I have ever seen. I hated that too. I didn't like it. I hated that shit. We didn't watch it. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1:I hated that shit. We didn't watch it. I couldn't believe it. I actually couldn't.
Speaker 4:I was like they gotta restart the match. It made me something happen.
Speaker 2:I was like I couldn't believe it. That I know. I remember. I remember Shawn Michaels talked about it. He was like he said he Cause. Remember he trained Daniel Bryan. He said as soon as he saw the streaker burger, he left. Remember he trained Daniel Bryan. He said as soon as he saw the street get broken, he left. He was like I can't believe. Y'all made me job to this guy twice and y'all just make y'all gonna end the street to Brock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was stupid. No, it was the wrong decision, but they made the most out of it Because Brock went on like a monster. Brock he did, he went on a monster run. I agree.
Speaker 1:So we didn't watch it live. We was coming from San Antonio and my nephew called me and he was like yo, taker just lost. I said what? Yeah, taker just lost to.
Speaker 3:Brock, I said hell no, hell no.
Speaker 1:Man, dog, I swear to God on social media. Dog. When I got home I said dog, this dude just broke the street.
Speaker 2:It's crazy because even on Raw the next night I was like maybe they're going to find a way to reverse this.
Speaker 1:They have to fix this. Y'all remember the call reaction when they put the one up there.
Speaker 2:People were like, oh, and it's wild, because before they put the one, everybody was like, okay, maybe they fucked up. They're going to have to restart the match. The black guy in front yeah, and I remember Justin Roberts, the announcer. He said he usually gets a cue to announce everything and the ref, because the ref is not cued in on the finishes sometimes. So imagine you're the ref. You've called for the bell, they don't say anything. You're like oh my God, did I just fuck up the count? Yeah.
Speaker 1:They don't say anything. You're like, oh my God, Did I just fuck up the count? Yeah, Did I just ruin the greatest thing they've had? So I always think, dude, did everybody know that was going to happen? I feel like some people didn't know. I think that was probably talked to.
Speaker 2:Obviously Brock and Taker knew. Yeah them two knew, because Taker didn't want to break the streak. Brock didn't even want to break the streak. But Brent was just like Vince thought he was going to retire. He thought it was over and he should have retired after that.
Speaker 4:Damn. Check out who's another breast-feeding match after that he did to.
Speaker 2:Brock to Roman. Stop it, stop it.
Speaker 4:Oh, stop it. That was a bad match. If you know that was a bad match, oh yeah, but I honestly feel like the Undertaker. Let Roman Reigns down.
Speaker 2:He did, he did that match.
Speaker 4:he let him have been the person to be the one he shouldn't have been, the two he he should have.
Speaker 2:But the thing is if he was gonna break the streak, that's when he needed to do the travel.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because roman should have turned heel years ago now, granted, I'm glad he did it when he did, because everything just kind of came together, yeah, but like man dude, like after he broke, after he beat undertaker and he came out and he got those monster boos for like 10 minutes straight that should have been the moment where, like just turn this nigga, and like the A&E special last night, he ended up saying that that was the moment he figured it out, but Vince just kept booking him with, like the dog food angle. Oh my God, bro, that was so bad. So to run out of the top five. Who was your fifth? Wait, who's your fifth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was Rock Taker, stone Cold, jericho and H.
Speaker 2:Triple H Okay, okay.
Speaker 4:Why do you rank Jericho so?
Speaker 1:highly, it's my favorite, just my favorite. Oh, your favorites. Yeah, it's my favorite Because if me I thought about Kane, kane was like close, because I did like Kane the character. But Wachoo, I like them too.
Speaker 2:I think Kane's best year, or at least run was kind of like that 0-1. Was it 0-1 or 0-2? When he took the mask?
Speaker 3:off. He was dying 0-3.
Speaker 2:And then Triple H buried him, but still yeah.
Speaker 1:Triple H should have lost. I ain't going to sit here and laugh, that run was. Unhinged Kane dog when he she came out with the chain. You can argue that that's better than because, of course, 97-98 but because you know from 99-01 was cool. He was getting comical when he came in with that unhinged cane, when he fucking leaned up. He did that and I thought he really burned JR. I couldn't watch that. I thought he was dead when I saw him when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:I thought he was dead bro, that was a resurgence right there. That I Yo.
Speaker 4:Hell yeah, and he was Kane was jacked.
Speaker 1:He was jacked up.
Speaker 2:He was jacked.
Speaker 1:That my god Was. Yeah, that was one of the best Character resurgence yeah.
Speaker 4:Only thing I hated about Kane was was one of the best character researches. Kane could really give you a solid 15 minutes too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Only thing I hated about Kane was some of his promos were kind of whack. He would talk this, and I know he tried because they gave him bad material to work with. I get it, though.
Speaker 1:That character really literally saved him.
Speaker 3:I think my last question is closing statements to defend you guys' respective eras and that's how we're going to end it.
Speaker 2:Our era has Roman Reigns and your era doesn't buddy. It's just that simple.
Speaker 4:You look at stock price, you look at deals, you look at brand deals. You look at production value. You look at stock price, you look at deals, you look at brand deals, you look at production value, you look at everything. We have the most dominant WWE champion. We have the most dominant Intercontinental champion.
Speaker 4:We have some of the best storylines. We have a healthy culture. It's a great time to be a wrestling fan. On all aspects, I feel like the Attitude Era was great. Hold on, I said make the closing statements on your air. You don't have to put down Attitude Era. No, no, no, he's cooking. Let him cook. It was a great four-year run, four-year run. The thing with the Attitude Era it was it was popcorn, and you know the thing about popcorn pops fast, but you can't leave it there, so so before you.
Speaker 3:Get to the look at him before you get there before you muddled before before you, before you get to your statement. I do have a question for both of y'all, though, because I think I heard this at home on the CBB show when did you believe this era started? Because a lot of people can say they date back to Cody Rhodes coming back and say this is when this era kind of took off For you two. When did this era start?
Speaker 2:I would say, when Roman came back 2020?
Speaker 3:2020.
Speaker 2:Because that's also when Bianca started her run. That's when Rhea was kind of floundering for a little bit. It was when the Judgment Day came about, but then Edge came back and won the Rumble and then he had another run. He had some of his better matches, I think with Seth Rollins. That was a great feud. The first match I didn't really like. That match was really really, really, really long.
Speaker 4:That was like a 45-minute match, yeah.
Speaker 2:But that second match they had was really good. I liked that match. A lot of things started taking off. The Uso's the bloodline story that kind of is like the when it started, because J Uso came Put that shit to the camera.
Speaker 1:What does that even mean? What Does the Attitude Era exist without the Golden?
Speaker 2:Era. So is the Attitude Era that shit to the camera, because that is fucking true. What does that even mean? That's like. What that's like saying does the Attitude Era exist without the Golden Era? So is the Attitude Era worse than the Golden Era?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to tell you the difference between the Attitude Era fans and the Golden Era fans. We didn't shit on the Golden Era. We appreciated Andre the Giant, hulk Hogan, macho man I hear y'all trying to shit on us, bro.
Speaker 4:You started this by talking down on our generation, but you know what's funny?
Speaker 1:When he said closing statements, I was going to take the respect of Rob. I was going to be the bigger man. You know what I was going to say. This is my closing statement. This is what I was originally going to say. After today, after watching the first hour, I see why I love this era, because if I look and I started paying more attention, I would be like, okay, I could watch. I like the visuals, I like some of the wrestlers, the athletic Yada, yada. I was going to take the high road and be like you know what After today, no more slander this current era, because I see why I like it. But now I heard the road y'all took and I'm going to still say they're going to agree.
Speaker 4:We put this on TikTok YouTube. They're going to agree with me, obviously. In 2001, WBF reported $186 million. In 2002, that went down to $50 million.
Speaker 3:But, trey, I would say this I get the numbers and I'm a biggest numbers guy as anybody else, but we're talking about 2001 and 2000 and almost 24. It is different resources, a different source.
Speaker 2:It's the wrestling business, but it's the wrestling business.
Speaker 3:No no, no, it's the wrestling business.
Speaker 2:The net profit, even compared to the era, is still better now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, of course it's better now Because, like I said, it's more and wrestling has become more worldwide.
Speaker 1:Yeah but that's the whole goal.
Speaker 2:If you're a businessman, though, but at that point, though, roman is a part of that.
Speaker 4:Oh shit it is Come on, bro. You've been glazing the Rock this whole time. We didn't ask for him back.
Speaker 2:You don't even have to go to Roman man. They went to London and LA Knight was one of the biggest stars in the city. La Knight they went across the country, oh.
Speaker 1:Midfarter, by the way. Watch who they was big when they went to Germany back then.
Speaker 2:One time, multiple times, multiple times, so they were running stadium shows in Germany.
Speaker 1:I'm polite, this Remember how I talked about how Rasmus sells out. They Remember how I talked about how Rasmus sells out. They've been selling out since Rasmus 2-3. I'm going to tell you something right now. Let them put that Rasmus 17 rock stone quote in SoFi Stadium. Y'all think it's going to do $150,000?, $160,000?
Speaker 2:Y'all think it's going to sell out. Hell, yeah, it'll sell out Peak rock, no one's denying that. But we're saying selling out stadiums overseas A show. They did that back then. Come on now Resurrection. They did that back then. Stadium overseas yes, they did. That's not the same. So they did. We're talking about 60,000. They just did 60K with Rhea Ripley in the main event of Australia.
Speaker 1:So I got a question Y'all don't think Attitude Horror wrestlers could sell out now we don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, come on, there's four of them that I'd say you could bring them in and they'd sell now.
Speaker 2:And we're not just talking about the we just gave you, tell me, a female that could do that.
Speaker 1:That could do what.
Speaker 2:That could sell out a 60K arena. They can't.
Speaker 1:At that time.
Speaker 4:They can't Anytime, not a single what.
Speaker 2:Chyna, fuck Chyna. No, she can't, no, she can't, and I'm going to be honest with you, bro. Chyna was a good wrestler for that time period, but today she'd be another. She was still competing.
Speaker 1:Oh no, she was still competing. They gave her two minutes at WrestleMania 17.
Speaker 4:What are you saying, bro? I don't give a fuck. I agree, it's good they gave her two minutes.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean I ain't lying, but did it.
Speaker 1:Rhea just pulled a great match out of Nia Jax is not that good. Not that good, let's not. You know what Nia Jax is? She's injuring niggas. I told y'all the wrestlers for women I'm just speaking on.
Speaker 2:But if that's just the women, and they're selling out Stadiums off of them.
Speaker 1:But they were selling them stadiums back then too. The stadiums are bigger now.
Speaker 2:Not overseas, why they?
Speaker 1:wasn't.
Speaker 4:Besides Kane, what's the best attitude in our story?
Speaker 1:Besides the cane yeah, I remember the. I mean you still got the rock.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no, no. They got rock triple H. Rock triple H, the back leg. I mean you got it.
Speaker 2:Austin, rock and triple H. Those are the things. Yeah, why is it okay? Can you tell?
Speaker 3:me, you still have the.
Speaker 2:Okay, tell me great stories that don't include the Rock Triple H Undertaker and Kane.
Speaker 1:I just told you the mid-cards what you had with. You still got the TLC era with them boys. You still got the Jericho.
Speaker 2:Angle and B-Wall no but, they had multiple no they had more than one. But the stories? What were the stories doing?
Speaker 1:You still had Jericho Angle and B-Wall. You still had that storyline with them three when Kurt Angle still came in.
Speaker 2:So that compares to the stories Gunther's been telling with Sheamus and Sammy.
Speaker 4:Gunther Sheamus Sammy the.
Speaker 2:Chad Gable story that I'm sure is going to finish at some point. I think Chad will be the guy to beat him. He should be the guy to beat him. I don't know how you feel about that. I think he should be the guy to beat him. You also got the Uso story. There's no tag team story comparable to the Bloodline story, right, I do like the Bloodline story, yeah, and I'm talking like when the Uso is lost. Then also, you got what Jay did with Roman. All of Roman's stories, really right. You got his story with Cena, his story with Brock, his story with Jay, his story with Drew. Come on now. And a lot of these stories they can go back to.
Speaker 1:But you got to understand too.
Speaker 1:It's stories not as You're lucky CM Punk got hurt because that story was Seth, so yeah, so it's stories that we're living in the moment now. But you got to put ourselves in the shoes that we was living, that we was old enough back then to understand the mid-call stories and be like it's solid, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So that's you know. It's just different, of course we're going to name 10. If we was back in that time, live in the moment, we'd be like, oh, this story with this person, it's different.
Speaker 4:It's going to hit different. I mean, I was listening to them back then. It's like you know things are, and then again I'm not saying the attitude era was bad.
Speaker 1:Oh Lord, you, just Y'all, do be gassing some of like. Roman Reigns better than Stone.
Speaker 2:Cold Fuck. Yeah, I said that shit. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1:He's selling more merchandise. He's not even fighting. He's better bro, it's okay. Okay, I got a question.
Speaker 4:I got a question why is Stone Cold still selling out merchandise more than Roman Reigns is better. He's a better champion, he's a better.
Speaker 2:I don't even think that's a fair argument, because one Roman is a heel, he's going to get less merch, and that's just kind of how that works.
Speaker 4:And two Roman, also, like Stone Cold, was a heel too, I think the best.
Speaker 2:Okay, stone Cold was not a heel. No, he was supposed to be a heel but the crowd was just that great. That's what I'm saying it's not even just that. I think the best barometer to compare that would be because John Cena is still top five. I think the best barometer would be if Roman was gone for years and you could see how it reflects.
Speaker 1:I looked up 2023. It was Punk Stone Cold, jey, uso. Who's the girl? Rhea, rhea and Uso. Who's the girl? Rhea, rhea and then Roman.
Speaker 4:Those are the five. He's top five. It's got to be a $5 billion deal. Fox Sports gave them a billion for.
Speaker 1:SmackDown for Roman. I will say this era is more cleaned up than the Attitude Era because, like I said, in that era it was a lot of risk, a lot of things. I mean some people died.
Speaker 4:I mean Owen Hart passed away, but who came back during the Attitude Era, though People want to be a part of Roman Reigns' story.
Speaker 2:People are like they do the Rock. The Rock came back for him. He came back. He did no, no, no. And Roman's elevated. You gotta realize.
Speaker 2:Them motherfuckers From fucking WCW Were sitting at home collecting the check Until February we didn't even address this part and I want to get y'all's input, cause y'all can compare this. I know you're gonna glaze your era, but let's be honest, wwe is deeper, with more talented guys that don't even get on TV too much or they're not even used that well. Austin Theory can do things that a lot of those mid-carders back then cannot do. Ricochet can do things. If you put Ricochet back then in that cruiserweight era, oh my God, come on now. Or let's even keep going. You got Grayson Waller, you got all these mid-carders that are barely even used that much. But Pete Dunne, tyler Bate these guys can all do things that a lot of the mid-carders back then, like Big Boss man, cannot do.
Speaker 2:Kamala he low-barred Big Boss man had a WrestleMania match against the Undertaker Hell in a cell man. A bad one, A very, very bad one. That's another attitude there. A match Y'all don't talk about.
Speaker 1:So y'all trying to say there's better matches.
Speaker 2:What you telling me? There are better matches. A guy that rates matches.
Speaker 1:Never gave a five star match In how long Okay?
Speaker 2:Dave Meltzer. He's never even given Kurt Angle a five star match. Who cares about what he?
Speaker 4:thinks Okay, he's only one, there's hundreds of thousands. Has had better matches than Stone Cold and the Rock combined.
Speaker 1:I am done After tonight. We are done talking wrestling. I will watch wrestling with y'all.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I can go there, please. That's the outro.
Speaker 4:Roman Reigns vs Don Cena. Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam.
Speaker 1:Roman's had a great match.
Speaker 2:This mic is that's not a bad take, though that's not a bad take. Combined is a little crazy, but Roman's had great matches.