The Problem with CE's: A Critical Look at Continuing Ed in the Field
The Whole Therapist
Kellee and Abby dive into the problems with CEU’s across the field as a whole in this episode, but move specifically to discuss the Association of Play Therapy’s (APT) 12-hour in-person CEU requirement. Abby and Kellee express their opinion around the incongruence of APT’s DEI statement and their in-person CEU requirement. They go on further to explore the field’s origins of white supremacy, ableism, and problematic Western measures of learning, and the need for more expansive ways to deepen our work as therapists. They emphasize the need for consultation and mentoring above webinars. Kellee and Abby hold many privileges, some of which include being two abled bodied pregnant women with the financial means to travel for CEU’s.
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EMDRIA- https://www.emdria.org/
APT- https://www.a4pt.org/default.aspx
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Applying for an Internship
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee talk through basics of looking for, applying for, and interviewing for your internship placement. They discuss the use of AI, and ways to use it appropriately in this process.
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Rupi Kaur
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Therapists' Relationship with Goodbyes
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space.
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Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Padraig O Tuama
Maya Ward
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Holding Space for Marginalized Clients
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones.
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Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/
Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com
Iain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/
Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: https://www.kapharstudio.com
Masharll Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com/
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New Year, New Healer?
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing.
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Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Maggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/152103/how-dark-the-beginning
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Humility, Arrogance, and Therapists Oh My!
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee explore superiority, humility, arrogance, and how they show up for therapists. They give examples of how they have and do fall down this slippery slope (even while they record this episode) Abby and Kellee discuss the therapists’ parts of self that can show up in sessions where we may believe we are better and/or able to influence the outcomes for clients resulting in lack of true presence. How do we set this part aside to be fully curious?
Topics Touched on:
Adrienne Maree Brown:
https://adriennemareebrown.net/blog/
On Being with Krista Tippett:
https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/
Dr. Meldoy Brown:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/melody-m-brown-denver-co/774548
Bittersweet by Susan Cain:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/bittersweet_susan-cain/29217911/item/53180813/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=high_vol_frontlist_standard_shopping_customer_acquisition&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=689361939032&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADwY45goxXpmMinAST89X0a2cqzqd&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8uqo---KigMVnEH_AR3riAElEAQYAiABEgL49fD_BwE#idiq=53180813&edition=60291104
The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino:
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Giving Clients Congruence with Our Internalized Community
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee start to explore the word accountability and sift through their intention for the episode. They come to name self-reflection and community. Abby and Kellee talk authenticity and explore internalizing nurture from those in their community; which supports them in bringing this into the therapy space. They ask listeners to identify who they can be their truest self with; to practice authenticity and gain internalized nurturing that allows them to show up congruently with clients.
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The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino
https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954
Daria - Accountability Mapping - https://accountabilitymapping.com/
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Moving Away from 'Topic of The Week' Therapy
The Whole Therapist
Kellee and Abby revisit the concept of 'process over content' in therapy, and explore what is bringing them Joy over the last few years since beginning the podcast. They dive into what may be leading therapists into content therapy versus process therapy, and encourage therapists to lean into what makes them feel alive and joyful.
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Withholding: Are You Colluding with Avoidance?
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?”
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Annie Monaco- https://www.anniemonaco.com
EMDR- https://www.emdria.org/
Cole Arthur Riley: https://colearthurriley.com/writing/project-one-64g3t
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Exploring Attraction to Our Clients
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens.
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Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Bravery and Risk: How We Show Up in the Therapy Room
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee use this episode to talk through some recent experiences that required Bravery in their own lives and how we relate to Risk both personally and professionally. They explore noticing how 'being brave' and 'taking risks' show up in relationship in the therapy setting, and share some poetry with listeners.They ask listeners to get curious about their own relationship to Risk and how this influences their ways of being as a therapist and a human.
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Marshall Lyles: www.marshalllyles.com
Louise Erdrich: Advice to Myself
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Do We Love Our Clients: A Conversation Between Therapists
The Whole Therapist
Kellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering.
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Dr. Allan Schore: https://www.allanschore.com/books/right-brain-psychotherapy/
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com/
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Exploration of Pregnancy and Being a Therapist
The Whole Therapist
Kellee is going on maternity leave! This episode explores the ways in which therapists who experience pregnancy can be impacted and transformed as practitioners and humans. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal experience with pregnancy in the field, how they navigate boundaries, and conversations around client care as it relates to self-disclosure in this tender time period. They normalize how nuanced this topic and experience can be and emphasize how necessary it is to 'be so human' with our clients.
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Time to Take Your Time Off
The Whole Therapist
This episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves.
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The Deeply Feeling Therapist
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee use this episode to share some announcements and talk through some recent stories in their own lives that have contributed to deep feelings showing up personally and professionally. They explore noticing deep feelings that show up in relationship in the professional setting, and what pausing and reflecting can do to create regulation around such deep feelings. They ask listeners to get curious about their own deep feelings that show up with clients in sessions.
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Deb Dana: https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/about
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Let's Talk - Nonverbal Communication
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee touch on how important non-verbal communication is to the healing process for our clients in the therapy space. They share how words are the least important part of the healing process, and ways that non-verbal communication is so vital to attachment trauma work. The acknowledge this topic being hard to explore while using a podcast that involves all talking, and leave listeners with a practice they can do with nature, a pet, or a listening partner.
Topics Touched on:
Somatic Empathy - https://www.somatictransformation.com/
Being a Brain-Wise Therapist Workbook - https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31474252947&ref_=ps_ggl_17721428148&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_20to50-_-product_id=COM9780393706390USED-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw_aemBhBLEiwAT98FMixN99tX7PffYdCCpIgNyqcPMMVLeS5fNzsS_s58hydLkN1qjEjJoBoCrs8QAvD_BwE
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Paris Goodyear-Brown: https://www.parisgoodyearbrown.com
Marschak Interaction Method (MIM) https://theraplay.org/what-is-theraplay/
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Feedback: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback.
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Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-self
Dan Siegel: https://www.drdansiegel.com
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
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At the Edge of Our Own Work
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work.
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Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
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Attuning to the Context
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first.
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Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Dr. Iain McGilchrist: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/
IntraConnecte: https://drdansiegel.com/book/intraconnected-mwe-me-we-as-the-integration-of-self-identity-and-belonging/
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Finding Your Therapeutic Home. Finding Who You'll Journey With.
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community.
Topics Touched on:
Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Lisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.com
On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made-whole/
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Fire of Love Documentary
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Welcome to Season 4: Exploring Wonder and Awe
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe.
Topics Touched on:
On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
The Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/
The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us
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Bidding Season 3 Farewell
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making.
Topics Touched on:
Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-being
Wintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.uk/wintering
Adrift by Mark Nep0: https://grateful.org/resource/adrift/
The Keep Going Song by The Bengsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQ
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Touch in the Therapy Room
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee broach the topic of using touch in the therapy space with both adult and child clients. They discuss the healing benefits of touch from various therapeutic modalities. Abby and Kellee talk through the sacredness of wordless healing. They explore their relationship with touch personally and within the field and how it’s evolved.
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Theraplay: https://theraplay.org
Natalia Rachel: IG- natalia_rachel_change
The Gift: Poems by Hafiz
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Taking it Personal in the Therapy Space
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client.
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Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Book Series: The Development of a Therapist: Chapter 5: Holding Uncertainty
The Whole Therapist
Abby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field.
Topics Touched on:
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
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The Problem with CE's: A Critical Look at Continuing Ed in the Field
23:15
Applying for an Internship
19:00
Therapists' Relationship with Goodbyes
27:14
Holding Space for Marginalized Clients
24:34
New Year, New Healer?
21:12
Humility, Arrogance, and Therapists Oh My!
24:47
Giving Clients Congruence with Our Internalized Community
22:00
Moving Away from 'Topic of The Week' Therapy
15:25
Withholding: Are You Colluding with Avoidance?
21:47
Exploring Attraction to Our Clients
20:35
Bravery and Risk: How We Show Up in the Therapy Room
20:13
Do We Love Our Clients: A Conversation Between Therapists
18:48
Exploration of Pregnancy and Being a Therapist
19:04
Time to Take Your Time Off
14:33
The Deeply Feeling Therapist
23:06
Let's Talk - Nonverbal Communication
31:22
Feedback: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
27:32
At the Edge of Our Own Work
24:12
Attuning to the Context
24:23
Finding Your Therapeutic Home. Finding Who You'll Journey With.
17:18
Welcome to Season 4: Exploring Wonder and Awe
24:45
Bidding Season 3 Farewell
32:39
Touch in the Therapy Room
25:24
Taking it Personal in the Therapy Space
25:10
Book Series: The Development of a Therapist: Chapter 5: Holding Uncertainty
19:54