Pointing Toward Hope
Pointing toward hope is for anyone who struggles to find hope in their trials. In each episode, we will have conversations with myself and others, to help you overcome difficulties in your life through applying the atonement of Jesus Christ. We will laugh, cry and learn together how to push through the hard times in your life, and move toward a more abundant way of living. Consider yourself invited to join me on this journey toward a more hopeful joyous life.
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Pointing Toward Hope
Miracles on the Roadside: A story of Survival and Faith
A terrible car accident on a quiet October day in 1999 changed everything for Brad and Kami Wardle. When Brad was ejected from a vehicle while scouting hunting locations with his brother, the police report listed him as "presumed dead at the scene." With catastrophic injuries including a head injury, his survival seemed impossible.
Join us for this remarkable conversation about how faith can transform life's most challenging moments into opportunities for profound spiritual growth.
Welcome to the Pointing Toward Hope podcast. My name is Wendy Bertinoli and I am your host On this podcast. We share conversations about trials, challenges and adversity and how we overcome those through faith, hope and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. If this is your first time on the podcast, welcome. We're so glad that you're here. And if you or somebody you know has a story to share, we'd love for you to contact us and get you on the show. If, also, you can share or like or leave a review all the things that just helps us to get found in the algorithm. This is episode 80. And I have here today with me on the line Brad and Cammie Wardle. Welcome, brad and Cammie Hi.
Speaker 2:Hi, we're happy to be here. Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you so much for doing this, can you?
Speaker 3:just tell the listeners just a little bit about yourselves, like how you met and maybe a few things about your life.
Speaker 2:Do you want to go first? Do you want me to go first?
Speaker 3:You're more than welcome to go. So we met at a young single adult service or skiing water skiing activity, at a young single adult activity that our church put together, and I got there late that evening and just went to the pavilion and there she was just um, looking bright and cheerful like she always does, and said, hey, there's a new face. And then what happened after that was that the water skiing activity. I never did even see her again until I never got to spend any time with her in the water or any boats or anything, and we didn't even all done. From there. We dated for about seven months and then had an engagement of about three more months and it was a year to the date we met at the water skiing activity.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, that's exciting. So, kami, what's your side of the story?
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, that's exciting. So, um, cammie, what's your side of the story? Um, he was, yeah, water skiing trip. I still find it interesting that we were at the same group and we never saw each other ski, um, in the weekend that we were there. Um, I actually knew, uh, his friend, that he was with his friend, reed Braithwaite.
Speaker 2:I went to high school with him and I approached him and, just talking to Reed, and I did say, yes, here's a new face, and he introduced us and I walked away saying, you know, I want to go out with that man and it did take him about two months to ask me out on our first date, and that was that was interesting, how that took place as well, cause Reed actually called me and I thought Reed was asking me out and our first date and that was that was interesting how that took place as well, because reed actually called me and I thought reed was asking me out, and he said that he was checking my phone, checking to see if it was the correct phone number for brad telling me so. And our first date was actually on a double date with with reed and, and, uh, her name was jolene and so, yeah, we did a double date with them to begin with. So but yeah, and it just kind of went from there. We hung out at single adult activities. We did family home meetings together.
Speaker 2:Country dancing was our big thing. That we did every weekend pretty much and that was new for Brad. So because he liked the new wave music where I was more of the girl. So we taught each other well and we've been dancing, yeah, dancing, ever since.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, so, and and you have four kids, right we do have four children.
Speaker 3:We have two adults that are married, son and daughter that are both married, and we just had our third grandchild from our oldest and we have two adults here at home with us and it's a challenge and also interesting raising adults.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:They're already raised. We're trying to figure out what our place is now.
Speaker 2:It's new, dance, dance of life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure I love that, and it's so great to be grandparents. That's such a blessing.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, it is. That's a new stage as well, but it is very joyful for sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, Brad, why don't you just start us off and just kind of tell us a little bit about the experience that you had that brought us to the podcast today?
Speaker 3:Okay. So I laid awake last night thinking about some things that I might say. Hopefully it comes through the way the word would want it to come through. But October 2nd 1999, um, my brother Scott, um and I had, uh, decided to scope out a place to go deer hunting, and so it was two weeks before the hunt and we had traveled out up towards where we were going to go and I remember seeing lots of things on the freeway, and then we had a horrible accident and, um, I was ejected out of um the car. I was not seat belted, um and Scott stayed in the car. I was ejected and life flighted to the KD hospital where I had multiple injuries head injury, ruptured spleen, punctured lung, multiple fractures, lung multiple fractures.
Speaker 3:For all intents and purposes, I probably shouldn't be here at this time and at that time we only had two of our children, but anyways, it was quite the experience. It was the first time that I'd ever been in a hospital, the first time that I'd ever had surgery, and in my career I am a registered nurse, and so being a patient and being on the other side I thought about this and you know, being a patient actually made me a much better nurse. So I'm grateful for that in the experience, um, but most grateful during this experience for the lord. Um, I grew a lot at that time and I don't remember many of the events of the first week. Tammy could tell you the details on the first week but the tender mercies that came to me during that time that I want to share with the listeners are, you know, I feel like you know, in our church we serve missions and try to bring people into the gospel and the first thing you teach people right is about God and that everyone's a child of God. Well, I don't know that.
Speaker 3:I knew that for sure until this experience and I will be forever grateful that in a quiet time about two weeks into this experience, after everything was just pressing down on me and I had come to my senses and realized, wow, what are we going to do? You know, we had just purchased a house. I was very worried about how I was going to provide for my children. I had not been a registered nurse very long. I didn't know if I would continue to be able to be a registered nurse.
Speaker 3:They were saying, because of my hand injury. I didn't know if I'd be able to. I just had a lot of pressure, but one night, just after my prayers in that hospital bed, I just remember getting the most, the most peaceful feeling that everything would be okay and that God did in fact know Brad's world and that he knew Brad's family and his children. And the things that were heavy on my heart was providing for our family, because at this time Tiffany had quit her job and come home, so we only had my income, and during this experience I was out of work for over a month and in rehab for two more months, so three total.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was a big change for your family.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So learning that I was a son of God is probably the one thing that I wanted to share. I hope everybody has that experience in their life sometime, when they know that God knows them, when they can feel the Spirit telling them that they are a son and daughter of God. I hope everyone can have that experience. The other thing that I wanted to share was that I know the priesthood is real. I know that my brother, scott, will be further grateful to my brother for exercising his priesthood authority on the side of the road where he found me laying unconscious and offered up a blessing that I would be okay.
Speaker 3:And a miracle of miracles, there was some nurses in a small town there in northern Utah that had a police scanner and they had heard about the accident, called it in to Life Flight. They were Life Flight nurses and we were Life Flighted emergently back to Acadia Hospital. I mean, and oh and there was also a diesel driver. I think Scott tells the story of stopped and right after he gave the blessing, a diesel driver stopped and got in his CV and called it in to just miraculous help. That came when we needed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Lord is watching over. He does know you, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:I remember your mom telling me in that moment if I can intervene here really quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, when I met up with her at the hospital, I remember her telling me that her first prayer when she got off the phone was Heavenly Father, don't take my boys in one shot. I just remember how powerful that was. That she said she was pleaded in that moment that they both would be okay in that moment, that they both okay. So I so I said so. So different experiences, I mean Brad doesn't remember any of it. I remember everything, at least with the healing process, and I know my conversations I've had with Scott as well. His brother is. He remembers it all as well too. He remembers every time the truck flipped, you know, and I I will be forever grateful for Scott as well, because his first instinct after getting himself out of the truck, realizing that Brad was not next to him, was to find his brother and to plead for that help. And it did come. I mean he said it was less than a minute, it seemed like immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so amazing. Cammie, tell me what your thoughts were when you heard about the accident and what was kind of going through your mind.
Speaker 2:That morning I had got up to run errands and I had I was going to take the kids to story time and that I was going to meet up with a friend to do some shopping. And I got the kids all strapped in the car and I didn't have my car keys. So I stepped back in the house to get my car keys and the phone rang. Um, and it was my. It was my mom calling to tell me that Scott and Brad had been in an accident. And I, first of all I questioned it and she said I wouldn't talk about something like this. I think that was just the initial shock, yeah, of what happened. Then she just told me don't go anywhere. And my, my parents came and picked me up and they got the kids to my sisters, having a three-year-old and a 10-month-old, our son Trevon and our daughter Whitney.
Speaker 2:Um, to get that squared away, and initially they had told us that they were at LDS hospital, so that's where we headed. Um, when we arrived, we were informed they were not there because their injuries were so critical that they had to be flown to McKay V hospital, which was closer. So we had to drive you further, and I remember sitting in the back seat of the car just still just crying every which way, um, and my mom calling just to just just to get an update of some sort. I just had so many things going through my mind of just constant prayer, of just heavenly father, let them be okay, just let them be okay. Yeah, um, with no, no answers. I didn't know. I had been told that, um, they had flipped over into a ravine. Um, and yeah, that was about all I got told, is they were just driving on a road and they had flipped, but I envisioned this deep ravine that they had gone down, and that's all I had been told at that point, and they were just trying to get ahold of me, um, and I remember that, um, when I got to the hospital, dad Wardle was outside the hospital and I know they were waiting for my arrival and he just gave me the biggest hug and he said they've taken Brad to the OR.
Speaker 2:There wasn't time to give him a blessing because he was so critical Two liters of blood in his abdomen due to his spleen rupture, punctured lung and a closed head injury that they didn't know the severity of it, and so, as I entered the hospital, I greeted the rest of his family, his sister, his older sister and her husband and also Scott's wife at the time, and we just sat there and cried, along with Mom Wardle as well, just sitting there and taking it all in. But that emergency room was filled with so much family. My family, extended family, um, cousin, and we'd only been married five years and these were cousins that all looked close, auntsts and uncles that I didn't have a very close relationship with, that they were all there and I just remember just feeling an immense just love pouring out of love and comfort with all the unknown. So for me at that time it was just not knowing answers and still just in shock with it all.
Speaker 1:But so much support. That just gives me chills to know that there were so many people there for you in that time of need too.
Speaker 2:They were for both of us and I was. We were checking up on both of them, trying to get an update on both of them at the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, as the days went on in the hospital, what were some experiences that you remember, cammie? Because, of course, brad, you were in a coma right For a period of time.
Speaker 3:Well, I was unconscious. I don't know if that is true, but yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:That first 10 days with not knowing he'd gone to the ICU when they had told me that he was out of surgery and that took about I mean, I don't even remember, but that we could go and see him and he had every tube you can imagine everywhere and I'd never seen him like that. At that time I just kind of stood there in disbelief and then I went and got his family members that were there to have them come to administer to him, to have them come to administer to him, so which his father did along with his brother-in-law at the time, to give him a priesthood blessing. There was a lot that happened that first day. There was a lot just trying to understand, a lot taking in, trying to make arrangements for our kids, talking to doctors, trying to understand where we were going to go from here. But after everything calmed down and settled, I sat at his side after everyone went home. They had offered for me to I couldn't stay in the icu with him, so they gave me the opportunity. They have a guest houses that are up there by the hospital and they let people in who have extensive stay. So they offered me the opportunity to stay there and so I went in by his bedside and I took him by the hand and I just sat there and I just began to cry. I just cried and cried and cried and cried and the doctor that was doing nightly rounds came in and he said are you okay? And I said no, and he said you know what's going on? And I said I cannot believe. I cannot believe. He is like this. He's my rock and it's literally. What do I do now? Brad mentioned that we had just purchased a new home, we had just taken a leap of faith of not looking for employment so that I could be home with our children, and after the doctor left, I just sat there and I just talked to Heavenly Father For me also, for the first time. I'm just. What am I going to do? Where do I go from here?
Speaker 2:And those first 10 days, the medical staff. I was asking every question just to understand everything that was happening. And they were so sweet because they told me they said now you realize, mrs Wardle, you can't get a medical degree by the time you're done, by the time he leaves. So, but just trying to understand and get all the dates from all the doctors, but they were so sweet and so great. And then just just multiple visitors every day and I just wrote down. I wrote every day because I knew Brad wouldn't remember any of this. He wouldn't remember the visit, his time in ICU, and I just started documenting. Um, when the kids were brought the updates, the doctors said I mean, we even pulled up the scrapbook today for us to look it over to prepare for this podcast. And Brad's just amazed because this is everything I remember. He does not and I'm grateful that I took the time to write it out.
Speaker 1:Right. That's such a blessing to have that now, even so many years later, to be able to go back and remember those feelings that you had. So um faith, um played a huge amount into um how you guys endured this challenge. Can you talk about that a little bit? Can you speak to that Um Brad?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's interesting you bringing that faith up because, like I said, I thought about this this morning and, um, there's a scripture in the book of mormon. If I could share, is that okay?
Speaker 1:yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3:It's Ether, chapter 12, and it's what I was thinking about during the night last night was this part in verse 4 of chapter 12 that says which hope cometh of faith maketh an anchor to the souls of men, which would make them sure and steadfast. And then, just a little bit further down in verse 6, it says Faith is things which are hoped for and not seen. And I love those words, you know, about how hope and faith maketh an anchor, about how hope and faith make a good anchor, because I know, without that hope, that I was going to get better. If I would not have had that experience with the Lord individually, knowing that I'm a son of God and that everything was going to be okay, I would not have been able to have that faith and that everything was going to be okay, I would not have been able to have that faith. It wouldn't, you know, I just wouldn't have had the assurity that things were going to be okay.
Speaker 3:And the other thing I kind of wanted to share about this experience that I don't know if it would have happened if I would not have had the experience. I still think, because of who I am, I think I still would have exercised faith in the Lord Jesus Christ's atonement. But I know, because of this experience, um and you know there was there was things in my life and going on at that time of the accident that, um, you know, I of course I think we're all not proud of and, um, you know some things that I needed to change and because of this experience needed to change and because of this experience, maybe I was compelled to change, but I did exercise that faith in the lord jesus christ atonement and I'm so thankful and glad that I did and took that opportunity to, um, have faith in the atonement and repent, and just such a peaceful feeling afterwards, you know, and so just encourage the listeners, you never know so yeah, brad tell, tell me um, did you have to learn things again?
Speaker 1:I mean, when you, when you um gain consciousness? Um, were you coherent and aware of everything? If?
Speaker 2:I can interject here really quick. I in rehab that they they were doing, uh, occupational therapy and physical therapy, but a big thing that they would ask me all the time your husband doesn't like to play this mind scrabble type game. Is this normal? Just how I had to know him to understand his cognitive way of thinking and I'm like no, he's never liked to play those. He doesn't like the minor teaser games he doesn't like, and so they're like okay, that makes more sense. But I, you know, I'm grateful for that, because it was just the different therapists had to ask me if it was normal behavior for him or not, as they were trying to understand how his cognitive abilities were returning.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So, and that's why I said I'm just grateful that I knew yeah, I knew him well enough, and to know his behaviors, to be able to help that along, yeah for sure yeah yeah, one thing I was gonna say was, you know, this was early on in my registered nursing career and, like I was telling you, I they weren't sure I was going to be able to go back because of my head injury.
Speaker 3:They weren't sure I was going to be able to go back and work full-time as a nurse. And here I just spent four to six years getting through school and only been in in my career for less than a year and this happened. You know what else was I gonna do? And as far as cognitively, they had me go back, you know, just like a little bit at a time, like instead of working a full 12-hour nursing shift, I only went back for four hours to start with and they just worked with me really slowly just to make sure that I was going to be okay and everything was fine and I did great. And I think that you know that was a tender mercy to just kind of take it slow as I went and just be able to take things a little bit at a time and take as much time as I needed. And again, I feel like I'm a better nurse today because of being a patient in the hospital.
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, you were able to see what what other people go through yeah and but yeah, there was definitely a lot of tender mercies, like Kami had mentioned. You know that so many people showed up to just share their love and support for us. I mean friends that I went to nursing school my best friend who has now passed on, you know tender mercies. You know tender mercies.
Speaker 2:He had co-workers that were willing to give up their vacation and holiday pay, even their short-term disability, to help our family. They were offering those hours and that was just remarkable, that they were willing to just help in any way that they could.
Speaker 2:They had the tender mercy christmas that year too yeah, they provided for us that year because he was out for six months. So the whole, I mean he was a month in the hospital, but the actual like rehab to where he could return to work, it was it was the following february before he actually could return to even just part-time work that they were having him do as well. So it took a while for that to recover and it makes sense when you're presumed dead at the scene. Um, that's what the police report said. So, and that to me, is still just, and I and I was able to get a copy of that and and everything that I just it's it is he, he is a walking miracle and I think of even our life now we have we have two more children after that, um, and just, yes, being grandparents and just being able to move forward with our life in that regard.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, the doctors told me all the time that he is and I don't look at it any different. You know, I think of the quote by Albert Einstein. You know we can look at nothing as a miracle or we can look at everything as a miracle, and I know for me that that that changed for me during that time. For sure, looking for those everyday miracles because I I had full reliance on my savior and the lord at that time, because I didn't know from day to day, I didn't know anything, I didn't know how God was going to respond to anything. I did not know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Kami can you? Tell us, maybe something specific that you remember, where the Atonement came into play with you in this experience.
Speaker 2:It can Several of them. But this moment for me is my conversion story. For me, I had lived my life on borrowed light and I was 26 years old and I had lived on Brad's light even when we got married. So at that time, it was me calling out to my loving heavenly father. Every single day I was on my knees, just asking to be shown what to do next and to understand and know that, no matter what I was going through or Brad was going through that, my Savior, jesus Christ, has felt it all.
Speaker 2:I had family members arguing who was going to watch our kids. I had a brother-in-law and sister-in-law that thought we were suing them. I had medical doctors trying to set up things, just everything, coming at me and as I turned to the Lord and offered surrendering and saying, okay, you know what, heavenly Father, I can't handle this right now. I know you can, so I'm going to let you and it was a plea, constant plea, and just constantly handing it over and saying, okay, give me the strength of what we need to do today, without knowing the outcome, didn't know if Brad would be able to go back to work full-time. I'm going to have to look for a job. Just asking that question time and time again, understanding that, yes, our Heavenly Father is aware of us and he is in the details of our lives, even amongst all the chaos, relying on Him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure I love that, just thinking about other people who may be going through something similar. It can be really difficult to keep going and I'm sure that you had times like that, both of you in your recovery process, brad, and also Cammie, like you said. Recovery process, brad, and also Cammie, like you said with all of the things coming at you what are some strategies that you use to get through each day?
Speaker 3:Probably I'd have to say scriptures, prayer, daily prayer. That was always important was prayer. I know there was times that doctors said I did certain things and I didn't want to believe them that I actually did those things and they, I think it was just me being humble enough to pray to my heavenly father. And again that faith, knowing that things were going to be okay and things would work out. Um, and I, I do think during the physical therapy and the rehab you know it was, it was working hard, it was going to the gym, it was working on the, the brain teasers and puzzles that they gave me. That Cammy told you that.
Speaker 2:I don't like.
Speaker 3:You know it was that attention to detail that they wanted me really to work on. You know, because I have to be attentive to that when you're a nurse and um, handing out people's drugs and all that kind of stuff and got to be aware and yeah, they were. Again, it was just faith and hope, knowing that everything was going to work out and it did yeah, yeah, cammy, can you speak to that at all?
Speaker 1:Um, your coping strategies, were they different than Brad or similar?
Speaker 2:Prayer was a big one and um writing, writing things out um was helpful for me. Like I did mention before it's Brad wouldn't know any of this if I hadn't written stuff down in that regard. But also, I think a big thing for me too was understanding his injuries and kind of trying to understand this could be the outcome. So if he was going to be in a wheelchair, what type of nursing could he do? What type of nursing could he do? Just kind of working through that as well, to offer that hope of a new, different way of beginning and to prepare us for whatever the outcome was going to be yeah, which we didn't know yeah just like a new normal and keeping myself well informed with everything you know I I did.
Speaker 2:I checked on on Scott as well with his recovery and everything, and he came to the rehab too and spent time with Brad and just watching them both recover. Scott told me numerous times how sorry he was and you know I told him there was no need to be sorry.
Speaker 2:Accidents happen and he did the right thing in the right moment yeah, for sure and they're both still here and it's it's something that they will share and he, he is a hero in every way, shape and form. Well, and I find it ironic too of just when brad and I were dating, scott was like our third wheel in a kind way, because when I first met him he had come home from his mission and that was the December after we had met. So it's just kind of ironic to me that, yeah, there's a bond there with the three of us that's been there since the beginning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so cool. Let's just talk for a minute about where you're at now, like cause, you went through this not knowing you know if you were going to be functioning normally. Brad, um, you said you've been able to go on and be a nurse, but what other things have you guys been able to do since then other than having two more kids?
Speaker 3:Yeah, two more children. Um, we're. We're both into biking, we love to bike. Well, we we ride a tandem bike like, and we just completed 103 miles last week, last saturday, on the tandem that's amazing cammy's a marathon runner. Maybe she could share that experience so.
Speaker 2:So that's for another podcast. It is, you know, our own personal stories, but for us, our four kids, you know we've raised them together, and over dinner tonight I asked Rob. I said if you could describe our relationship in three words, what would they be?
Speaker 3:Forgiving, friendly, adventurous.
Speaker 2:And mine were resourceful, loyal, inclusive.
Speaker 2:So because we have, we have supported each other in every adventure yeah and you know, even in that experience as well, I I would take him as he came, no matter what the outcome was going to be. He is my love and I love my choice. I love that and he is. He is my eternal companion and we we work on it all the time of just strengthening our eternal bond. And over the last decade, it has been 10 years that we have been fairly active with biking and running, years, um, that we have been fairly active with biking and running, but a lot that has to do with we we didn't know if he'd be able to physically be able to do any of these things. He has. He has ours, um, and but he it's miraculous all together, yeah, and so when we ride the tandem which we have for the last seven years, we learn a lot of great lessons yep, the lessons we learn on the tandem about each other and our relationship and our, our marriage, and just, we always get comments when we've done these rides.
Speaker 2:The announcer always says oh look, there's a tandem. That tells you one thing You've got to have a strong marriage to be able to do that. I think about that, and that was just a beginning point for us, right, taking that leap of faith. Teachers definitely taught us to get over obstacles, so but also yes, to rely on the Lord individually, but also together.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he will carry us through.
Speaker 1:And I think that that speaks to what I was going to ask you about having hope. It sounds like you guys have an extreme amount of faith and hope to be able to just get through the daily challenges of life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think you have to these days.
Speaker 2:It begins with that connection with your Heavenly Father.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you have to these days, but it begins with that connection with your.
Speaker 2:Heavenly Father. Yeah, Every morning I take quiet time to have my personal appointment with my Heavenly Father. Share my thoughts, my feelings, but also to ask you know. Share my thoughts, my feelings, but also to ask you know, what do I need to do today to seek that guidance and comfort and ask also to have my Savior walk with me every day, Because I can't do it without Him. And I did mention this before. I have a new mantra of Heavenly Father I can't, I can't handle this right now. I know you can, so I'm going to let you, and that is my new coping mechanism of how to face almost every day in different moments, with my emotional ups and downs, for my personal struggles but also those that we face, and I share that with lots of people that I talk to, and that would be my message today for the listeners, for sure.
Speaker 3:My message is always wear your seatbelt.
Speaker 1:Is always what? Say that again.
Speaker 3:Always wear your seatbelt.
Speaker 1:Oh perfect.
Speaker 2:That's pretty important. Yeah, for sure that's definitely important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, that's definitely important. Well, I think that you guys have shared a beautiful story of love and faith and hope and how turning to the Lord can just bring incredible miracles into your life, and I'm so grateful that you've shared your experience with us. Thank you so much. Thank you, this has been amazing and fun. So grateful that you've shared your experience with us. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Thank you, this has been amazing and fun.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you, it's. This is what it's all about, you know, so we can share our experience, strength and hope with others.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's it for today. Thank you for listening and I hope you were able to get something from the podcast and, as I said before, please like and share and leave a review, and we will talk to you all again soon.