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Highly Sensitive Humans Podcast
The Highly Sensitive Humans Podcast offers insight into the world of the Highly Sensitive Person, and helps those who identify with the traits of high sensitivity to feel more empowered and resilient without denying their authentic gifts.
Highly Sensitive Humans Podcast
High Sensory Intelligence and High Sensation Seeking with Sacha Chapman
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In this episode, I speak with Sacha Chapman, who shares her understanding of High Sensory Intelligence as well as her experience of being a High Sensation Seeker. She shares her personal story as well as her work with Highly Sensitive, High Sensation Seeking clients.
About Sacha Chapman
Sacha Chapman is an Award Winning Embodied Empowerment Coach & Inspirational Speaker & Founder of Rebel Love Journey.
It is Sacha’s mission to guide High Sensation Seeking, High Sensory women from feeling disconnected to feeling embodied and whole so they can align with their true Self and begin making the impact they were born to make.
Having both these traits in abundance, Sacha understands how tortuous living with these seemingly contradictory internal drives can be. Far from seeing these two traits as painful double bind, you will realise you naturally possess the golden ticket to living a fully self actualised life.
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About the Host (Jules De Vitto)
Jules De Vitto has a BSc in Psychology, MA in Education and MSc in Transpersonal Psychology, Consciousness and Spirituality.
She is an accredited and certified Transpersonal Coach, Authentic-Self-Empowerment Facilitator, as well as an experienced teacher and educator. She works as a Transpersonal Coach trainer and tutor as part of the 1-year certificate in Transpersonal Coaching Psychology through Alef Trust.
She is the founder of Highly Sensitive Humans - an online community that offers courses, coaching, articles and a podcast for Highly Sensitive People. She helps those who identify with the traits of high sensitivity to navigate emotional overwhelm, step into their authentic power and align with their true purpose in life.
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About the Host: Jules De Vitto is a transpersonal coach, trainer and experienced educator for Highly Sensitive People. She helps those who identify with the traits of high sensitivity to navigate emotional overwhelm, step into their authentic power and align with their true purpose in life. She is a published author and wrote one of a series of books on Resilience, Navigating Loss in a time of Crisis. Her research has also been published in the Transpersonal Coaching Psychology Journal and Journal of Consciousness, Spirituality, and Transpersonal Psychology.
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Welcome, I'm your host, Jules DeVito, and you're listening to the Highly Sensitive Human Podcast, the show that offers an insight into the world of the highly sensitive person and helps those who identify with the traits of high sensitivity to feel more empowered and resilient without denying their authentic gifts.
SPEAKER_03Welcome to today's episode. And before I introduce today's guests, I'm really excited to let you know that I've just launched enrolment for the next online professional training starting in February. And this training is specifically on coaching and mentoring highly sensitive children. So learning how to empower their healthy development and well-being. So if you're a coach, educator, professional, or parent, this course is going to give you all of the tools and resources needed to empower highly sensitive children. If you're interested in finding out more, check out the link in the show notes and you can enroll with the early bird discount before November the 16th. So in today's episode, I'm speaking with Sasha Chapman, who is an award-winning embodied empowerment coach and inspirational speaker, and the founder of Rebel Love Journey. It's Sasha's mission to guide high-sensation-seeking, high-sensory women from feeling disconnected to feeling embodied and whole, so they can align with their true self and begin making the impact they were born to make. Having both these traits in abundance, Sasha understands how torturous living with these seemingly contradictory internal drives can be. Far from seeing these two traits as a painful double bind, you will realize you naturally possess the golden ticket to living a fully self-actualized life. Welcome, Sasha, and thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
SPEAKER_01Thank you for having me. I'm delighted to spend this time with you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this conversation because I know we're both very passionate about this topic. So obviously, this podcast is for highly sensitive people. And I'm wondering, can you share a bit more about your understanding or experience of what it means to be sensitive and your story in relation to it?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. So yeah, well, I I grew up um in a hyper-masculine environment, uh and also a very volatile one. And because of my uh my level of sensitivity, I um I basically had to kind of create barriers and layers around me to protect myself. Um I felt very unsafe and also I was deeply loved, so I was also very, very confused. So this just added to kind of like the confusion. Um and so it was the only way for me, and of course, this is our I mean, I I when I was tiny, I had no idea what I was doing, but I it is this um this creating these layers of of um of protection um were absolutely necessary um in order for me to kind of get through it and survive. And I knew I was very different from my family. I just had this knowing, and I think that's part of being sensitive. It's like we're kind of wise old sages, right? We have this kind of old soul uh um feeling sensation, and I I just that there is this, but I also knew that when I was born, because of my sensitivity, I was so in shock at coming out into this world that I um I disassociated from my body there and then. And of course, the uh the my family um uh dynamics just kind of mirrored and intensified that. And um it I got I just used to I got so good at acting, and by the time I'd reached 30, I was this the layers of protection um were so extreme, I didn't even know who I was anymore. And I was like a robot trapped in this toxic shame. And and yet, amidst all this kind of confusion and all this um, I'd say, uh, yeah, these layers of protection, I had this knowing, this absolute knowing that I wasn't living my potential. And so, and I was deeply perplexed by why I couldn't fall in love and what was my ultimate purpose. And I think this is so significant for people who are highly sensitive. We are so driven to find our ultimate purpose and also for this deep, deep connection. See, I I was starved of this deep connection because of the layers of protection that I had around me. So um, yeah, I uh I quit my job, a really good job. Um, and I ended up going travelling for about four months around India, and this series of events led me to this Jungian analyst, and I was ended up being there for three years in what turned out to be this profound journey back to becoming me and feeling whole again. Um, and then I got the bug, this hunger to heal. Um, and uh it led me to two years of um psychotherapy, uh, another two years of advanced integrative training, which is a form of muscle testing and psychotherapy. And it wasn't until I started um uh intimacy work, because this also fascinates me because it's related to deep connection, did this that the man who was who was helping me, he said, you know your sensitivity is a gift. And that was when the penny dropped, because that was when I was like, I remembered all the other professionals that I'd worked with saying, you know your sensitivity is a gift. And um, and that's when this light bulb came on because I was ready. I was ready to to take on this challenge and heal myself at this level as well. But it wasn't until I found the high sensation-seeking traits that things start to really shift for me because being highly sensitive is one thing, but it felt like there was something really missing, and then I found the high sensation-seeking trait, and that's when the things started to really make a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, thank you for sharing your story. It's there's so many things you mentioned that I can really resonate with. So, this sense of layers of protection, I love the way you describe that because that's really how it feels. Yeah. Uh, this sense of us disconnecting from ourselves, and and yeah, this contrast in terms of us longing for this purpose and connection. Yeah, it sounds like you've been on quite a journey, and I'm really curious for you to share a bit more about the high sensation seeking because I don't know if everyone listening is aware of what it means to be a high sensation seeker. So, would you be able to describe what what that's all about?
SPEAKER_01Sure. So, well, the high sensation seeking uh trait in itself was discovered by this guy called Mark Zuckermann in the 1960s. And essentially, um, we seek complex and unusual and intense experiences and we underestimate the risk. Um, and it has essentially four components: this ability, this this yearning to seek new experiences, the thrill, as in physical aspects, our um our propensity to be attracted or having a disinhibition, so as in being less inhibited uh in terms of social situations, perhaps sexual situations, um, and also our boredom threshold. Like we will do anything to avoid boredom. Now, 20% of um only 20% of the high sensation seekers who are high who have uh who are highly sensitive are uh and we're gonna go into the fact that I I actually term it high uh high sensory intelligence. I know that, but it's um so um only 20% of these people, and these are the people that I specifically work with, they um uh they're they have this um this desire to have the physical thrill. So 80% of us are not drawn to like throwing ourselves off buildings or skydiving, etc. But it's way more um these intense and unusual and complex experiences, which can be found in anything, you know. It's like uh for me, for example, I I've just come back from seven weeks of traveling, including going around Albania, you know. So it's like, yes, there's a physical element to that, but also as you get older, and this is what I've experienced, there's more of a propensity to look inside. And this is where the high sensation seeking trait in combination with the high sensory intelligence is just gold, because with the high high sensory intelligence, um, you have the inner rich inner landscape, but then with the high sensation seeking, you have the courage and uh this intense curiosity to seek, like we are truth seekers, right? So we we this uh the the gene, it's the a DRD4, 7R. So we have this gene, and obviously everything's on a spectrum, right? So we were the first hominids to to explore the whole of the world, right? So it's part of our human nature to be uh uh to have this wonderless dream, to have the high sensation seeking. But with the trait, it's like we have it in a significant amount. So we are hardwired to seek and achieve the dopamine hit, like the happy, excited feeling that we get. Um, and also we're hardwired to have this to seek this flow state because of the the dopamine. And so um we're seeing as like it. We're if someone would be to describe or observe, or even reflect if someone is uh a friend with a high sensation seeker, they might see them as uh, and I'm laughing now because I see this as me pretty intense. We're pretty intense people, like our middle name is intense. Um and it's it's our passion, it's our life force uh to experience life. Um, like I said, we're we're highly curious people. Um, but we also because of our this is what I find fascinating, Jules, because uh 70 to 90 percent of us are um are introverts. Right. So there's 477 million of us on the planet that have both the high sensation seeking and the high sensory intelligence. And uh it's it's it's seen as like and someone described as a conundrum, a a conundrum within a paradox, um, which I find really fascinating, and it's it's something that I uh I'm endlessly going to explore and unpack and unfurl. But um, yeah, we also because of this this desire to explore, but also remembering that I also always talk about the high the highly sensitive trait as well in combination. Um we have so much more to process. You know, you'll obviously your your work that you do with the highly sensitive uh uh people, we um we have we're like supercomputers, right? So we're kind of absorbing all this information at an incredible level and then processing it at a cognitive level. And with the high sensation seeking, because we're actually going out and seeking new events, new experiences, and having to process new people's energy, our mood swings. If we're if we're not working um at a deeper level and knowing how to work with these traits, it can be so overwhelming. So it's the high for me, I can also describe it as the high the high sensory intelligence trait with everything ramped up, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. And it is it's so fascinating what you're sharing, and I have so many questions coming up as you're talking. And I just wanted to clarify something because you mentioned introversion, and is high sensation seeking correlated with being extroverted.
SPEAKER_01Not much is written about the high sensation seeking trait in combination with the high sensory intelligence trait at all. Right. A very s an even an even less amount has been written about the extroversion, and there is differing opinions. But according to Dr. Tracy Cooper, 70 to 90 percent of us are introverts, which again just adds to the conundrum, right? It's the enigma within a conundrum because you would think that high sensation-seeking people are naturally extrovert, and yet I've it's this the the introversion and this the when we're another way of describing the uh the high sensation seeking trait is the behavioral activation system, right? So we are um uh the behavioral activation system and the behavioral inhibition system. So the behavioral activation system is the HSS, and the behavioral inhibition system is the um uh uh the high sensory intelligence. And um, you know, this this is primal, right? This is this is uh you you look at an organism without a brain and a nervous system, and it's either going out and it's it's like a sperm, looks like a sperm, right? It's going out and either seeking, or it's recoiling. So this is the very, very kind of structure and the foundation of our very existence, which with both of these traits. And so it's the two and the two coexist, one isn't dependent on the other. And my answer to your question is also introversion, extroversion is completely independent of these of these drives inside of us. So that's my that's my offering, essentially, is that they are all interdependent, and of course they all um uh influence each other, and that's where the conundrum and the paradox is. But at the same time, we also need to see them as interdependent entities within ourselves, and that's what makes it so endlessly fascinating.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, it really is, and and I really resonate with this because it is a paradox. I myself am a highly sensitive person, I'm introverted, but I've lived a lifestyle which would um contradict that in a way. So I've traveled so much, and I love traveling, and I love seeking out new experiences, and I do get bored easily if I'm not doing something new and novel and exciting, and um, I have this constant search um for these experiences. I'm not the type of person to be jumping out of an aeroplane or doing uh bungee jumping, but uh in terms of travel and um yeah, this this uh that that's a really strong trait in me and doing a lot of projects and constantly doing many things. So I understand this is this conflict that can exist within us because it it can then become overstimulating or difficult to simulate all of that information. You mentioned high sensory intelligence, um, and I know that is your preferred term for highly sensitive people. Can you explain a bit more about yeah, this term as well?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. So it was coined by um Willow Macintosh, um and uh I sat with this, um, and I really sat with this this the this question um and it's an ongoing inquiry for me. And when I felt and I sat with the term uh the highly sensitive person or high sensitivity, yes, I it's loaded, right? It's it's it's associated with, I mean, historically, it's associated with with being weak, right? It's this um, and I don't really want to get into like you know, it's associated with with with the with the feminine, but there is a connection there, right? With um with this uh uh this yeah, it's it's a loaded question, and even Elaine Aron um said that she regretted actually calling her book or the title um or having sensitivity in it. But aside from that, it's um it's this feeling of and this is a personal thing where I feel that if being highly sensitive, it's somehow it's it's it's been given to me and I have to manage it. And I have to just I have to somehow find tools and techniques to cope with it. Um, whereas when I talk about high sensory intelligence, suddenly I feel galvanized and I feel this sense of agency where it's actually it goes from being, I've been given this and I have to somehow manage it, to how how can my how do my gifts, my high sensory gifts, show up in this world and and how do I galvanize them so that I can uh I can harness them for the greater good? For me, it's a completely different orientation and it it starts an entirely new conversation. So yeah, that's that's essentially why I prefer the term.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I do think that reframe is really powerful and moving away from yeah, all of the connotations associated with sensitivity and it like you said, it being seen as a weakness or a flaw or something we need to get over or fix. So, yeah, I think it's a really powerful term. Uh and Willow has been on this podcast as well, so I'll just mention quickly if anyone hasn't listened to his interview, it's definitely worth checking out. Um so can you talk a bit more about the struggles then of being having the high sensory intelligence and high sensation seeking? So we've spoken a bit about the paradox and the the potential conflict there. Can you touch upon that a bit more?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, another term for there's there's a few, another term for um the high sensation seeking uh high sensory person is that we're seen as tortured souls. You know, it's this um that we have, and I've I've interviewed 33 women who have both these traits, and uh a commonality uh running through um the interviews was this feeling that somehow they've got this internal war going on, um this uh this inner conflict, which uh um can they say feel like bipolar, and I have certain I can certainly relate to that. This um uh that's certainly been my experience. Um and yeah, in terms of the challenges, is what I touched on before, is this you know, this this inner drive that we have to seek the complex and unusual and the intense experiences. And because I and it's again, it's this kind of it's it's I mean, I I I'm one of the people that have both of these traits in absolute abundance. Like, you know, when when I I um uh I I scored nearly everything on the on the Elena and um the two questionnaires, which is so um And people might have it to a lesser degree, but nevertheless, it's we always have to kind of um uh bring into relationship one and compounding the other. So when I'm going out and I'm seeking these complex and usual experiences, I'm also I I'm I'm therefore having to um process um not just that being highly sensitive and all of all that that brings, like the being the supercomputers and um uh processing all this data, but then I'm having to process everything that I'm I'm going out and seeking. So this is where the uh there the mood swings kind of can kick in, and this feeling of kind of being in this state of bipolar. Um and it can be very disturbing and very confusing as well, and also because so few people are talking about it, it can feel very alienating as well. And 50% of us um who are high sensation seeking and high sensory are likely to have um adverse childhood conditions. So um, in my experience, you know, me disassociating and feeling incredibly unsafe, um, we are we are not embodied, right? So we we we have even less capacity to uh tap into our inner resources. So when we're checked out of our bodies and six feet above um our heads uh in this kind of spiritual realm, um we it's it's it but we're not but the the the irony is we're not we're not actually able to connect with um with with something that is bigger and beyond us, which we have, which we're hardwired to do. So um a lot of people are walking around in huge amounts of pain, not people not speaking their language, thinking they've got some kind of bipolar. Um, and yet some of these women are uh and men, there's some of the most gifted people on the planet.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and so I know a lot of the work you do is working with women and those who have these traits. And you you mentioned yeah, dissociation, and I know that your work is very much focused on embodiment. So could you talk a bit more about what what this means and why this embodiment is is so important in in the work you do?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. From I from personal experience, having um experienced this disassociation for such a long period of my life, um, and actually just feeling like it was some kind of norm when I started to do um, and you know, I I started Yungi analysis, which is obviously kind of going from the top down, and I've just kind of tracked my uh my healing process and I and going from the top down and then gradually seeking um modalities that came from the bottom up, right? And uh it's this without being embodied, we can't fully access our gifts as high sensory people and high sensation-seeking people. It's and and as I said, like it's like we're we're people who are high sensation seeking and high sensory, we're born to walk hand in hand with the divine. And when we're not in touch with the divine, it's it's like a psychic pain. And so the only the only way to be able to access um something bigger and beyond you, and also access your gifts, right, as a high sensory, high sensation-seeking person is through the body.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Uh it's do we have a body for a reason and uh without being in touch with the body and being in touch with your body and your feelings and your sensations? It's it's torturous because we know we have all these gifts inside of us, but it's we're unable to access them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and you you've mentioned the gifts that we can access through the body, and I know you've touched upon it a little bit already, um, but what are these gifts that you see in high sensation seekers and highly sensory people?
SPEAKER_01So, in terms of the gifts, right? So, I'll speak a little bit about the high sensory intelligence. So, when you know, because of our refined nervous system, we're able to send our awareness out to our environment or uh to people, and we're able to then glean all this data, this sensory data, which we can then process um uh very deeply at a cognitive level, which we're then able to um uh respond at an emotional level, which makes us incredibly good healers and coaches. Um and with the high sensation seeking, we it's like it's like we're on a mission. It's not like we are on a mission, it's like the fast track, it's the fast track, right? So we have this compulsion to be in this state of flow, to be um to be in this state of of higher consciousness. And uh we will do anything to achieve this, right? So uh this is it's it's it's the pioneering spirit. We are natural pioneers, we are natural-born leaders. Um it's just in our DNA, literally, it's in our DNA. We're visionaries, um, and we have all the qualities of that of the high sensory, and everything is ramped up, right? So it's this it's this intense curiosity to seek the truth, it's this intense um yearning to live our lives on purpose and to live a fully self-actualized life. So um uh yeah, it's it's kind of endless, really. Um it's uh yeah, intensely curious, um intensely curious people, and so courageous, you know, it's like we're we're you're probably one of the bravest people that you know if you have both these traits. Um yeah, and I find that very humbling.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and as you said, that that drive is well, the the potential is unlimited when you have that that drive. And I really loved what you said about when we're not in touch with the divine, it's like a psychic pain. That that really resonated with me because it is that um drive to connect with the divine, which is a constant uh soul searching that I experience in my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's something that can be difficult to articulate or put into words for maybe those who are not um who do not have these traits that we're talking about.
SPEAKER_01And and you know, it's it's it's not it's not better or worse being the high sensation seeker with the high sensory, you know, it's it's we're just different.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Uh you know, someone I was interviewing somebody who who was who had who had the high sensory intelligence, and I was saying, you know, what is the difference? What do you feel the difference? She said, I'm a I'm a bear. I'm a I'm a I'm I'm a I'm a bear. And and and and she said, I think you're like a like a tiger, like a you know, it's like we're just different. You know, it's like a tiger or a cheetah or something. It's like whatever we, you know, that with the with the high sense of intelligence, like it's just we're on this kind of super highway. We're on an absolute mission to yeah, to do what it takes. And um I guess it's the energy, it's the energy that's different, right? It's the energetics of it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, I think that's a really important point. Yeah, it's a difference, it's not um, we're not saying one is better than the other.
SPEAKER_01One absolutely not, it's just we're just different, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So is there a specific uh tool or resource that you recommend for those who are um high sensation seekers or something that you use a lot in in your work, in your in your coaching?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I um I do a lot of inner child work, I do a lot of shadow work. Um it lends itself, I mean it it's it's it's like uh oh, it's like it's like gold for the high sensation seeker. You know, it's like we're we are we're born to to dive at these depths, and um, so that's I I just feel a huge draw to work at that level, the shadow level, um, with inner child work. Um, and also uh along with my embodiment work, I also work um using theta healing as well. So right now I've just uh come up with a modality where I harness the uh the inner child work with the theta healing um and advanced integrated training. And I'm going to be doing a video about this, um, but there's also a video um on my website, uh, so if people are interested, they can find out as well.
SPEAKER_03Um and I will put the link to your website for people to check out. And I ask this to everyone I interview on the podcast. Do you have a favorite book or quote or something that you'd like to share for the listeners today?
SPEAKER_01Uh yes, I do. I do. Uh and this made me laugh actually, is success is defined as going from one failure to the next without losing enthusiasm. And I I it just makes me smile because uh it's from Winston Churchill, and um the thing is about being a high sensation seeker is that we get bored so easily, and um we are nearly always always successful, right? So we we we have a project and then we have all these ideas, we're highly creative and highly imaginative. Um, and then when the mundanity of of like the daily grind kicks in, we're on to the next task or we're on to the next career. So um we're invariably um uh yeah, we seem to be a little bit behind. We're kind of late developers. So this this quote just really speaks to that. And you know, when you are able to harness these gifts and actually able to focus and have the the um the tenacity, which we do have the tenacity, but it's it just speaks uh that's when we can go um uh and and do incredible things, and it speaks because I it really speaks to me because this is you know, uh I I I I've I've come to this uh this um field quite late, and so um, and it just makes me laugh as well. It strangely galvanizing, yeah, and encouraging.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it it really for me highlights this resilience, um, you know, the sense of having that drive, having that desire to reach one's potential and not giving up, no matter how adverse experiences might be. Um there's that yeah, resilience to keep going.
SPEAKER_01Totally. And it's um and we're built to do hard things, you know. It's um it's no coincidence that that these these people with both these traits are like likely 50% likely to have adverse childhood conditions. So we're we're born to do hard things, and it's um it's I'm gonna say this, it's actually our duty to unfurl and uncover what these um what what lies beyond and beneath these layers of protection that we've built around ourselves because there is there are gifts in every one of them. Um I wouldn't be able to do what I do without having the experience that I had. So I'm hugely grateful for everything.
SPEAKER_03And as you're talking, I am wondering um if there's any connection with high sensation seeking and those who relate to having ADD or ADHD, so attention deficit disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Um I I can be resistant often to using the term disorder because I also believe those who are have the trait of ADD or ADHD have incredible, incredible gifts and and creativity, etc. But do you know, is is there any correlation there?
SPEAKER_01There is a correlation apparently with uh with the high sensation seeking trait in the the um um ADD or ADHD. And uh again, you know, it makes sense as well because uh we this this kind of yearning to seek, right? It also goes hand in hand with not being able to focus. And yet I have AD, I have ADD. I was diagnosed with ADD uh about 10 years ago. And um we also have the capacity to hyperfocus as well. So it's it it go it again, it's part of the conundrum, we it goes hand in hand, um, and there is suggested correlation um between uh people who are these uh high sensation seekers and uh the ADD. Um it it makes sense, doesn't it? Because um we're seeking complex and unusual intense experiences. It's very difficult, or we're daydreaming, you know, it's like we're off in our world daydreaming um about something that's more exciting that in that it's being presented to us now, right? So we are constantly avoiding boredom, and people with ADD are highly imaginative and highly creative, and they're kind of functioning at you know at a high level. So it's like, well, we're constantly trying to seek these um these new hits, right? Because we have a lower sensitivity to dopamine, which makes us propels us forward to seek experiences which give us the dopamine hit. So um it feels like a hand in a glove in terms of uh from my own personal experience, but also in terms of verifying the correlation that people have um have have discovered.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it does make a lot of sense, and also the there's research. Um, Gabor Mate talks about ADD being often something that has presented itself as a result of uh trauma in childhood or adverse childhood experiences. So again, you know, there's there's definitely a connection here with everything we're we're talking about.
SPEAKER_01100% and um this this yearning to escape, right? It's um it's in direct uh connection as well with with uh disassociation, right? So um, and yet again, seeing things independently as well. Right, yeah. Right. So it's um there is still as as well as as as part of our trauma um uh response is to disconnect and disassociate, and then of course this this ADD um uh but then but also we are yearning for something more complex and more intense at the same time. So uh one doesn't cancel out the other. It's I again it's like just bringing everything to the table and seeing everything in all its beauty and and interdependence and uh uh magnificence as well.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. So we're coming close to the end. Is there anything else you feel we haven't spoken about in relation to this topic?
SPEAKER_01I'm I'm coming on podcast because I want to start an entirely new conversation um around uh people with both the traits, and far from seeing um as somehow tortured souls um uh and suffering from some form of bipolar, I uh when you work with both these traits and you know how to work with them at uh at the shadow level, it becomes um less of even about the two traits and becomes this amplifying, uh symbiotic, um, beautiful experience. Um and these traits are actually, they're just a vehicle. Um they're a vehicle into experiencing a deeper state of consciousness. And you know, people with high sensation seeking, we are hardwired to yearn to seek and experience and achieve this flow state. So when it comes to being healers and to living a fully self-actualized life and to reaching a deeper state of consciousness, we are hardwired to experience this. And yet, so many of us, like 40, 477 million of us, um, a lot of us are walking around, checked out of our bodies in a huge amount of pain and no one speaking that language, and yet we have so much to offer the world. And imagine, you know, the critical mass, it's six percent of the entire population. Imagine if these people um were given the tools and given the space where they were actually allowed to reframe what happened to them and also be able to work at this depth. Imagine what it would do for the world. And this is this is my why, and this is why I'm doing what I'm doing, because so few, so little has been written about this. Um, it's kind of got to the point where, yes, it create it, it's you know, there's some kind of marriage, you know, with the high sensation seeking and the the high sensory. And if it wasn't for one, then you know, for example, my healing, you know, I wouldn't be able, with my rich in a landscape being high sensory, I wouldn't be able to also go to the depths that I that I go to because I have the high sensation seeking. And I want to take a step further. And you know, it's it it's this it's it's more than a marriage, it's this this symbiotic, amplifying nature, where, like I say, it becomes less about the traits and more about diving into this deeper state of consciousness, which of course is endless. So um it's a profound journey, and uh yeah, I really want to offer this space for people. So if any if it resonates with anyone, um then please get in touch, and I'd love to have a chat.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, thank you. It's such a powerful message and a really important conversation, and um, I feel really inspired by what you're sharing. So I know that there'll be so many, I'm sure, listening to this who are going to resonate with what you're talking about. And for those that do, where can they go to find out more about your work and uh any resources that you have available?
SPEAKER_01My uh website is Rebel Love Journey. Um rebel rebel lovejourney.com. You can contact me on my email address, which is Sasha, which is S-A-C-H-A, and then Elizabeth with a Z, and then Chapman, C H A P M A N at Gmail.com.
SPEAKER_03Brilliant, and I will put those links in your email in the show notes so people can access those really, really easily. So thank you so much for uh bringing all of your knowledge and wisdom and insight onto the podcast today. It's been such a pleasure talking to you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you so much. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. It's so wonderful.
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