Walking Between Worlds: The Spiritual Gifts of Highly Sensitive People with Ixté Owul

In this episode of the Highly Sensitive Human Podcast, I sit down with  Ixté Owul - a certified Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) coach, spiritual mentor, and intuitive guide. Together, we explore what it means to reclaim sensitivity as a gift rather than a burden.

Ixté shares her personal story of navigating psychic experiences from a young age, and later experiencing a profound spiritual awakening. She speaks about the importance of presence, safety, and being witnessed and how highly sensitive people can transform their experiences of overwhelm into sources of empowerment.

The conversation touches on ancestral healing, dreamwork, shadow work, and the role of grief and transformation in the HSP journey. Ixté also offers insights into her unique mentorship and healing practices, as well as resources that have supported her along the way. 

Resources Mentioned:

• Conscious Dreaming by Robert Moss
• The Anatomy of a Calling by Lissa Rankin, MD
• Quote from Charles Eisenstein, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible

More about Ixté Owul

Ixté Owul is a certified Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) coach, spiritual mentor, and intuitive guide. She supports psychically sensitive and empathic individuals in reclaiming their sensitivity as a source of power, not overwhelm. Through ancestral healing, intuitive development, and trauma-informed energy work, she helps clients navigate spiritual gifts that often emerge without context — especially for those who feel like they walk between worlds.

Ixté’s work is deeply shaped by her own lived experience as a highly sensitive and psychically attuned child who spent years overwhelmed by the unseen. After years of inner work, initiatory experiences, and training, she now guides others with deep care and reverence.

Her offerings include HSP coaching, spiritual mentorship, intuitive guidance sessions, and ceremonial healing work. She is passionate about building a world where sensitivity is honoured, and where those with spiritual perception feel supported - not silenced. In addition to one-on-one support, Ixté offers classes and workshops that walk highly sensitive individuals through transformational journeys. 

Learn more at www.ixteowul.com or on Instagram @ixte_owul

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SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome. I'm your host, Jules DeVito, and you're listening to the Highly Sensitive Human Podcast, the show that offers an insight into the world of the highly sensitive person and helps those who identify with the traits of high sensitivity to feel more empowered and resilient without denying their authentic gifts.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Welcome to today's episode where I'm speaking with Ishta, who is a certified highly sensitive person coach, a spiritual mentor, and intuitive guide. She supports psychically sensitive individuals in reclaiming their sensitivity as a source of power, not overwhelm. Through ancestral healing, intuitive development, and trauma-informed energy work, she helps clients navigate spiritual gifts that often emerge without context, especially for those who feel like they walk between worlds. So I'm really looking forward to talking with you today. And I'd love to begin, as I always do, by asking more about your story of being a HSP and yeah, your personal journey and your passion in relation to this topic.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Yeah. I think just like all other highly sensitive people, there are so many details we want to share, especially when someone asks the question, like, oh my God, somebody wants to know. That's great. Um, so I'm gonna just uh, you know, do my best to not share too many details because I can get carried away with that. But um I think good ways to describe as a kid is that my high sensitivity had me record memories very early on. Like my first memory was actually as a toddler, I want to say about age a year and a half to two years old, and falling into a rose bush and thorns like just all over my body, and then completely just blacking out the memory because it was just so intense, I think, mostly. And then having just segments of memories like blank slates, and then big chunks of memories, and the big chunks of memories were very detailed. It was like remembering the color of the room, the people in the room, the emotions, even though I couldn't name them all. Um, and for context, I grew up in an environment that was um consistently um unstable. I grew up within trauma. Um stability was not constant. Um, and feeling safe was not always there. It was not accessible to me always. Um and also seeing, and this is there's a big wound there, also just feeling so, so different. Different between my siblings, different within just family alone, feeling like I just I was just talking about this with someone. It was like, was I born into the wrong family? Like, what is this? And seeing things so vividly, and also being felt, having the feeling of being too much, because it was like my mom couldn't really handle me. And so then she'd hand me off to be seen by my siblings who were not at all capable of watching the little kid, but also like, take her with you, and and then it was just um, you know, siblings feeling like, uh, I don't really want to, because it at least the interpretation as a child, it was like, oh, well, then me and everything I feel inside is too much, even if I don't share it all. Somebody can sense that I'm just my inner world is so big. And as life carried on, you know, I had psychic experiences really early on. Um uh dreams were always just so rich, and not just rich, being in a home that was unstable, um, traumatic events occurring. It was not just these dreams of being somewhere else, it was also processing the trauma of not just myself, but the people in my household and not understanding as a four-year-old, as a six-year-old, what it even meant. So to even to even share a dream, it was shocking. You could see it on people's faces, my my grandmother or my mom, or maybe even a sibling, and it was just confusion. It was just, I don't know what to do with this information. And it would just be either shock or wow, or and not wanting to really know more, because I just got the sense from the absence of questions from these people was that they didn't know how to hold any further, they didn't know how to carry it forth anymore. So for me, it was very much um having to, for the majority of my life, figure things out on my own. I really had to be the one to say, I don't know what this means. And if I don't know what it means, I need to put it into some other place and some other category. But that didn't even work either. It was so, so rich for me. And I do consider that psychic trauma is really a category that's not explored enough. Because there is something that's occurring to the psyche in my own experience, and I was afraid of the dark until I was about 30 years old. Right. I went the bed until I was about seven. It had a lot to do with psychic experiences or having that I was having, and not just that, trying to process all of the trauma that I was consistently going through throughout my life. Right. And then not having language, there was no vocabulary for what I was experiencing, and even psychically, um, I didn't even have the word high sensitive highly sensitive person until I would say about five years ago. I didn't even know that that even existed because well, no one had the language for it. And when I had my spiritual awakening after my mother passed away when I was almost 30, um it was like I could no longer avoid the psychic experiences because now I was receiving guidance from the other side, like true guidance, although all the dreams were guidance I didn't know. But it was very deliberate what I was experiencing. And then that led me into spiritual communities. And then that was the closest I really got to understanding like the language of sensitivity or people really talking about things in a way that it was like, oh, that's what that was, or oh, you have something similar. So it was it was within those spaces that I was like, oh, I feel seen, but still not fully.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I really appreciate everything you're sharing, uh, and especially touching upon the spiritual side of it and the psychic capacities that you had as a child and that you have now. Because I've found that even in the community of high sensitivity, there's not many people talking about the spiritual side of it and how you experience psychic capacities and how challenging that can be, as you pointed out, when you don't have the language for it, when you don't have the community and the understanding to be met with your experiences or to be validated. And so I'm really curious, you know, as a child, what do you feel that you needed with those experiences that perhaps you didn't receive? Um or yeah, you would say to someone else who's going through these kind of experiences, what yeah, what is really needed?

SPEAKER_02 8:57

I think number one is a sense of safety. Right. Um safety is translated in so many different ways, or it can be expressed in so many different ways. And safety was uh for me, what I needed in that way was uh presence. I needed someone to be present and not necessarily solve anything. I I didn't need somebody to maybe as a child, of course, there's a longing of like uh, but really what I was longing for is like, but am I safe even though I had this experience?

unknown 9:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

But alongside presence is like witnessing. I needed someone to witness my experience. Um, I think it's super underrated the medicine that comes with um holding space for our. I think there's a lot of us, especially at least in my experience within spiritual communities, is that we just want to go ahead and solve and we want to just well, this is what you're doing wrong, or this is what we need to fix, or you need to start doing these things. When I think with highly sensitive people, people don't understand that we have the capacity to arrive to the answers on our own. And we get there when space is being held. All you need to do is hold the space, witness, and be privileged or take the privilege of witnessing us going and arriving to our own answers. And I think I really got that affirmed through your academy, Jules, I have to say. It was it was just like, yes, that's exactly that's the word, that's the thing, that's what I have always said, and it was just in a different expressed in a different way. But I think that's really where it is. Um but there's also this sense of sympathy and understanding that our society and culture um are afraid of the unknown, are afraid of the things that we cannot see. And that is the lonely part of a highly sensitive person is that we're always tapped into the things we cannot see. And so if we just lean into trust, that's the other part. I I think trusting that your child um is experiencing something real, it trusting that that is something that they're tapped into, I think that's what I needed too. I needed my parents and my family to trust my words.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Yeah, it's really profound what you're sharing, and I'm really relating it to my own experience of what you're speaking to, which is the power of that presence and that attunement. And I think every child needs that, but those of us who are sensitive and bringing these experiences that are dismissed by society and culture, we need that attunement even more, don't we? And we need to be held. Uh, and it can sound so simple, right? That presence, that attunement, but I guess a lot of people find that very challenging, especially when met with those of us who are sensitive, and you started to speak to that a bit, that sense of feeling that we're too much, or yeah, we're too emotional, or we're too deep, and these experiences are too profound. So true.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

I that just brings something up. It's like so. I we've spent time together, Jules, you and I. And um, what I have found, not just in family, people that I've grown up with, but in spiritual communities, I have found no matter what the environment, I my tears activate some form of discomfort in others. Like this, I think that's one of the things I've run up to. It's like, okay, I'm crying because, well, one, that's a form of natural regulation within the body, which I think people totally pass over. That's the way my body wants to regulate. I'm speaking, I'm tapping into something, I'm tapping into something quite deep. It's there's a trench that I'm in when I'm speaking about something. And I'm tapping into that to speak about it. Because the authenticity of the truth, I need to anchor into speak it. And so for me, I cry when I'm speaking about something vulnerable. When I hold spaces or ceremony, I know my community knows I'm probably gonna cry because I'm tapping into something in there. But what I find is are two things that happen. It makes someone extremely uncomfortable. Uh, words like cringe um are often said. Um, or there's complete silence. Um, they want to curl in. Um, and then again, coming into, well, there's an issue here we need to solve. Right. And um, and I I think that has been one of the biggest wounds is that uh or misconceptions of me or the vulnerability of tears, or being able to witness that in others in someone else, is that there's no trust that the person knows how to carry themselves through that experience, through the tears. Yeah. But it's because no one really practices being in the depths as much as a highly sensitive person. A highly sensitive person, probably, you know, we're I don't know. In my experience, I'm like crying at least three times a week. Just like, okay, something's come up, even if it's something super touching, the touch of music, there's something that just boils it. And so we're in there all the time, knowing that it's passing. And I think that is part of our medicine to communities, to people around us, um, to maybe see those shadows a little bit, the discomfort around tears and really feeling deep emotions.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that. I think it's so important, and again, I really resonate. I'm really passionate about grief work and grief tending, as you know. And I feel, yeah, those of us who are highly sensitive, we do feel more into the depth of that suffering and that pain. But as you pointed out, our ability to regulate, self-regulate, co-regulate, and and come through it. And that's really, yeah, the medicine that you're talking about, the fact that we we don't have to drown in it, right? We have the ability to move through it and modeling that to other people, right?

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Yes, and I I love that you brought up grief because I've just been, I'm all about that too, and I think that's where you and I have connected um in the past. And someone who's highly sensitive and also psychically inclined, right? I still think even if you haven't identified as psychically inclined, but you are highly sensitive, I think they're one and the same. You just might be experiencing it differently than the more pop culture way that you might be hearing um over the years. Um but that is the thing I think that highly sensitive individuals, when they really lean into these qualities, recognize that these transpersonal experiences, or better said, we are more prone to going through transformative experiences. We have a deep relationship between life, death, and rebirth. So this relationship with all of these things, knowing, okay, I'm gonna get to the other side, but also having to really go and deepen into a certain experience. Um, so much so that you go through it so deeply that you arrive on the other side completely transformed. Absolutely with the transformation, there's death. Right, right. There's death. Something had to have died, even if it is a perception alone, in order for you to arrive on the other side. And I think that society culture, Western culture has completely removed, hit the delete button on the keyboard around death and grief and really what that is. Um, that was one of my things when I got ordained, when I did my ordainment. Um, and I did my ordainment in Egypt spiritually, it was like this dedication to not just yes, of course, marriage, I'm happy to do these ceremonies. Absolutely. I mean, that's a rite of passage on its own, right? That's a death, a lot a new life already. But the part of our community that's not serviced enough is is uh funerals and funeral ceremonies. But it's because I have such a deep relationship with life, death, and transformation. It's just every day almost, it feels like.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Yeah, yeah. And again, I really appreciate what you're saying because I feel we are so afraid of death. We're so afraid of turning towards it, but it's so needed, our ability to turn towards the shadow as well. And I know shadow work is something else you're really passionate about. And speaking of which, we're we're starting to touch upon it, but it'd be great to hear more about the work you do today. Um, yeah, what is your main practice? How do you support highly sensitive people in those in the spiritual community as well?

SPEAKER_02 19:07

Yeah, um I'm so happy to share. Uh, I do want to start off by saying how much all my services have transformed over the years. And it's because I have like everything I offer or have offered in the past and up to now is all being carried on my back as I go through the path of like changing and healing and really learning about myself. You know, my my practice really started with um dream work and crystals and energy work because that was what I was leaning towards or facing, decided to change my my view and focus on to heal, because those were the things that were accessible to me immediately. My first tool was dreams. It was like I could not avoid it. It was there, it was the work I did. And although I I do offer that if somebody asked and said, Hey, are you still doing dream interpretation? You know, I would honor it, but it's not where my focus is because now I've really leaned into the qualities and the traits of highly sensitivity and have really seen how within spiritual communities there's a lack of real support, although you would think there would be more, but there's just really this lack of understanding and also uh like self-blaming almost, in which it's like, well, you're not quite doing the same, and are you having healthy? And it's like, well, I don't need someone to point out where I'm lacking, right? Anyway, so that was really the drive because I didn't really receive the support in these spiritual communities as much as I wanted. Um, I was the one that was going through these big transformative experiences in the circles and the healing groups. Um, and everyone else was just like, I felt like an alien because I was just like, I just needed 10 minutes of the meditation and I was there, you know. So I focused on like Oracles of the Neteroo is a tarot reading session. That's one that I think is so it like softens the doorway for people who are like, I don't really know where to start. It's it's tarot and Oracles of the Neteroo is just these titles are inspired by my Egypt journey and how much the Neteroo or the Pantheon or the gods of of Egypt have really wanted to be part of the work I channel. So they really do appear as support groups. And those that are aligned with my clients will appear. You know, ISIS might come through as I'm doing a reading, um, because that person really needs something that is like magical and healing and transformative in some way. But tarot, those tarot sessions are really great because it really I've seen it anchor just even myself, ground and really receive a further. Messages from the unseen world because we communicate with that space all the time. So these tarot sessions are really here about, and I build, you know, a layout to support the person as what they're coming in. Hey, I'm going through this. I don't know where I need to go. Is this really what's happening? And where do I move forward? So that session is really there to help affirm their experience, not just through me as a highly sensitive person, but from the unseen world and their allies on the other side. And then how do we do something more practical in the day-to-day to really get ourselves back into an empowered state? So that's the doorway if somebody's like, I don't really know where to start. It's a really good place to start. And then I have Hands of Isis, and Hands of Isis is energy healing. There are so many modalities that go into the session. I'm a Reiki master, I'm a crystal healing therapist. I've worked with chromotherapy, so color therapy, um, light language, it's just all these things that come together. But really, in the past, it was like underworld healing. It's now transformed to, oh, wait a second, we're already in the underworld constantly. What do we need to anchor to balance? And what do we need to then help integrate what we've just learned? And that's what I found is so helpful for us as highly sensitives is we need something to help me bring back into center my energy, come back into some form of harmony within the self so that I can fully integrate what where I am and what I've been through most recently. And I actually put this into those mentorship sessions that I'll talk about in the moment, in a moment, um, because I think energy work with also really talking, experiencing, and working through, speaking through our traits is the way to bring about balance of the experience. It's not just about let's talk about it, it's about how do I move this into my psyche and my body in a way that helps me really integrate and anchor what I'm learning. So that I do all these services are really I can do online or in person, but so there's that. And I also have halls of a mentee, which is ancestral work. Um that has been part, so that came about when I was like ready to face my ancestors. I was having these very transformative experiences on the other side with these beings of nature. And one of the things I learned through mentorship of people that are on this side of the veil, and learned that through that work, through this earth, similar to shamanic experiences, that it was important to really walk through that by first moving and facing towards our ancestry. And it is about looking at the self through so many doorways that we call the ancestors. And the ancestors aren't just the most recent people that crossed over. This could be lifetimes. There's so many doorways here. And this service, a lot of people that come to it are people that are ready to really look at. And most of my customers have had trauma, you know, so I'm really holding that space into that. And a lot of people may resist it because I I totally understand it's hard to really connect with a lineage that might have come, you might have experienced pain or inflicted pain, right? But I think it's really when I do these sessions, it's really teaching individuals also that we don't go anywhere you're not ready to go to. Right. You you meet ancestors who you're ready to see, and there's there's so many types of ancestry lineages that it's not just about the blood lineage, right? Um, and the the guides and the spirit guides on the other side know what you're ready for. You know, they try they're like, okay, this is what you're ready to see. And so I find that to be super supportive and also taking back empowerment. And at the same time, as HSPs or people like myself who feel like they don't belong, find that within the lineage there is a belonging that we're ready to reclaim. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, and I have these mentorships. I have a three-month mentorship and a six-month mentorship, which these are about exploring the HSP traits and really thinking about what do I want to focus on. And one of these, which is the six-month, it's called the Breath of Hothor, integrates more magical and spiritual practices alongside the first three months. The first three-month journey is really about learning about the traits and integrating them, understanding them, where the last three months will be more about, okay, I'm ready to lean into my spiritual gifts and how do I actually bring that in and calling back in those parts that we might have shunned and been fearful of. And I'm there to really guide them through that and really learn about, okay, what are where are my boundaries around these spaces? What do I really want to bring in? And what am I willing to just let go of? Because we don't have to say yes to all of it.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yes, absolutely. And I'm wondering, connected to that, what would you say are some of the common struggles of highly sensitive people who are so attuned and open and connected to the transpersonal and the spiritual dimension? Because we do have these incredible, incredible gifts. But what have you found? Because you spoke about your spiritual awakening too. What are some of those struggles of going through such an experience?

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Yeah, I think number one, at least what stood out for me and what I have seen across the board is um exile, the fear of exile. Um but shows up as for me, you know, I grew up as a Catholic. Um I which was actually not a healthy dynamic on my end, how it was um introduced to me and my family. Um, and I had to really deconstruct and like the fear of exile, of like being seen or leaning into that. Okay, well, if I lean into it, what does that mean about the world around me? How much is that gonna change now? Um, who do I have to share that with? So it's really what I have found the struggle is like creating safety again within the self, but it's really needing to deconstruct the conditioning that has had that has happened within again, society, culture, religion, um, belief systems. And that's why ancestry again, ancestral work is so important because it will appear in these patterns of who taught me, where did it come from, down the lineage, how can I understand it? Because me leaning into tarot, oh my god, I was like, really? I cannot, because I was told it was the devil, like this is not the thing to do. But I was encouraged to lean in and I don't regret it ever because it it exposed so much about how much we're conditioned to believe one thing, not knowing that the universe and the world is so much more, so wide and diverse, which again builds more compassion towards the diversity that lives within me as a highly sensitive person. Like, oh, yeah, it's not just narrow. I am diverse, I see it all, I sense it all. So, again, I think that's the biggest struggle is exile, the fear of being shunned by community, by friends, um, by family members, by the life that we've built thus far. That is the fear. Um, and I welcome that to be discussed. That should be in the container that we're creating together, me and my clients. We should be talking about that. And we take it at the pace that they're ready for. That's the part of like the self-empowerment. Like, we're not going anywhere further than you want to go or where you're ready to go. And that's about sovereignty. It's about learning the sovereignty within the self. And that within itself, just arriving to that answer of like, oof, man, I'm afraid of exile. I mean, how transformative is that, just to come to that realization, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:11

And it's such a shared experience of so many HSPs, especially those of us who are um gifted in the way you're speaking to and wanting to share our gifts with the world. And do you know what's interesting? Lately, I've been really noticing, and I'm curious what you think about this, that it's even more uh present in the feminine in women who are um called to be healers, and uh I wonder how much of that is connected to the wounding of the patriarchy, and we're somehow tuning into that at the moment collectively. There's something about the feminine rising, and I'm noticing that a lot in highly sensitive women.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

I mean, it's everything. The reason why I say everything is because okay, so now I'm gonna talk in terms of like magic and spirituality, energy and consciousness, right? Um, and please, I'm using terms just to help us understand. That's what words are for, right? Is to help us make sense of something that can't be fully made sense of. Okay, so please forgive me, I'll just be patient. But um the divine feminine is something I have intimate relationship with. Intimate. I mean, uh it's what it's my highest, it's my highest, uh, my holy guardian angel is the dark mother. That's somebody that I speak of and will, you know, look forward to sharing more in the future with my community. And really, if we think about it in a magical sense, the divine feminine, if we speak of polarity, um, you know, uh divine masculine can be symbolized as the sun, and the divine feminine can be symbolized as the moon, or uh light and then dark. So, divine feminine, if it is the dark and we follow that thread, then we are talking about the things we cannot see. Right. Right. We are talking about the cave, we are talking about the void, we are talking about the absence for lack of definition or for avoiding going in too deep or too far. It is the absence of something. So if we cannot see it, then it is the unseen. We are talking about a feminine aspect when we are speaking about spirituality, right, energy alone, it is feminine until it is seen.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Yeah, beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Just like shadow work, shadow work lives within the divine feminine aspects of things, it is power, it is the most untapped force, right? So, yes, if we talk about the witch hunt, that's a really good example of what happened, right? Um, of taking over and trying to take control of things. Um, one of my teachers who talked about nature's spirit, who I learned about nature spirits and working with them, is talking about how most of these people that were, well, the women uh that were taken on the witch hut were the people that um it started with individuals who would talk about having relationships with nature spirits. Right. They were the ones that would curate and build ways of healing individuals in ways that worked when a company with nature, with a company with time, with nurturance, with space, right? The pauses. So there was something they were tapped into that others could not access. Um, so it is a matter of control. I think it, you know, it is true. I we live in again, societal and cultural means of where if a man did what we did, it would probably be more accepted than if a woman appeared up and forward with the things that we do on a magical sense. But that's also like if you looked at uh certain orders um within spiritual communities, I won't name them here because I don't I want to be careful that I'm not using the wrong terms or words, but you'll see that that only men are allowed to be part of these groups, or only men can lead these groups. In history, oracles, oracles of the Delphi, these were women. Right. That were the oracles that were the ones that were sitting, and men would just wait, and people of the community would wait to hear what is it that you see. Relationship with nature, again, nature, the earth, the soil, where we go back into once we die, divine feminine. It's where transformation occurs, it's where we plant the seed, complete darkness before we rise into again, masculine rising and being seen. Now, these two things work together. We must have one to have the other. So this isn't to say that one is better than the other, it is one of how can we bring this back into uh recalibration, into harmony in this world, and the rise of the divine feminine is about that bringing things within harmony. So I hope I answered the question. I could keep going forever on that topic, but it is definitely a divine feminine for for the lack of a better term. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

I love what you're sharing, and I could talk about this for hours as well, although I'm aware of time. Coming back to the masculine, coming back to the structure of oh yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

Structurally structure, it's divine masculine, let's just flow.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

I love to flow. However, I'd love to ask you do you have any book or uh quotes or something you'd like to share with listeners today that you have found inspiring and helpful in relation to everything we're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah, I do. Um just for listeners and whoever wants to connect, um I have a resources page on my website that I'm still going to be building. I'm really being careful about what I add there, but I'll be adding like these books that I thought of or I always refer to or recommend. Um for those of you that are really big dreamers, um, those of you that experience dreams and don't quite have haven't quite found the book that speaks the language that you're experiencing on the other side. I have to recommend Conscious Dreaming by Robert Moss. Okay. I have read other books and said, hey, here's this interpretation and this is what this means, like just some definitive like vocabulary, which it didn't always hit, it didn't always land. But with Robert Moss, he's an Australian man who's still alive. Um, I've done workshops with him, I did a shamanic journey with him. He's one of my teachers, um, who experienced these profound, vivid dreams with not just his psyche, but really the other side. Experiences with um indigenous people of um the North American region, but learned a new language through dreams from this elder on the other side, and then was affirmed by this specific indigenous group that he was speaking ancient, ancient language, that it was true what he heard on the other side. And that was a savior for me. That book really was I felt seen. So if you want to be felt seen, that's a book I recommend. But if you're really at the beginning points of maybe a spiritual awakening, or you're finding that you have these spiritual awakenings often but don't have language for it, um, have bumped into understanding that the structures that we live in in this society don't really fit your world, and you're trying to make sense of it and are finding that, oh my god, this is completely different than really what I'm meant to be, then I recommend The Anatomy of a Calling by Lisa Rankin MD. Um, and the book is titled Uh The Anatomy of a Calling: A Doctor's Journey from the Head to the Heart and a Prescription for Finding Your Life's Purpose. And this person, Lisa, still around as well. Um, she was a doctor, uh, OBGYN, I believe, who was completely distraught by the system of our hospitals and the medicine in the US, and decided to go. She had an awakening and changed her path completely. And she spoke about the hero's journey, the pilot light that lives within us. It is, I again didn't have any other language. It was one of the first books I came across, and it really made me feel like, oh my God, this is it. This is what I'm undergoing. Right. And he really gives you some practical tools to ground. She talks about meditation, which is helpful. And I know for highly sensitives, it can be a struggle for us, but there are other tools that she has here, and really moving away from prescriptions and moving into energy, and then her own path of like awakening and seeing the other side and having communication with whales on the coast. It was just, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

And if I may, can I share a quote?

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

Okay. So she she refers to Charles Eisenstein. I don't know if you've heard of him. So it's a quote from his book in her book. And um, you know, she it's she talks about the perfect storm, right? When we're going into this transcendental experience. And she quotes Charles Eisenstein in his book, In the More Beautiful World, Our Hearts Know Is Possible. And he writes, The old world falls apart, but the new has not yet emerged. Everything that once seemed permanent and real is revealed as a kind of hallucination. You don't know what to think, what to do. You don't know what anything means anymore. The life trajectory you have plotted out seems absurd, and you can't imagine another one. Everything is uncertain. Your time frame shrinks from years to this month, this week, today, maybe even this present moment. Without the mirage of order that once seemed to protect you and filter reality, you feel naked and vulnerable, but also a kind of freedom. Possibilities that didn't even exist in the old story lie before you, even if you have no idea how to get there. The challenge in our culture is to allow yourself to be in that space, to trust that the next story will emerge when the time in between has ended and that you will recognize it.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Thank you. That's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

It is, and there's so much more you can read in there. I wish I could read, but I don't want to take it too much. But he really is, and she really talks about how do we support these spaces in between because our culture really doesn't give us space. It really wants us to continue to do, even when we are not feeling that within us. But she gives us, and as an ally, permission to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Right. Absolutely. Again, so profound, and it relates to what we were just speaking to, right? Being in that liminal space is where the transformation occurs and where that divine feminine comes through. And yet we're constantly being pushed to be in that certainty and be in the next thing and be productive and do more and fill your time. So it really speaks to me, and also that experience when you're going through a spiritual awakening or a spiritual crisis. There's so much of that not knowing, not knowing what to grasp onto, and it can be really scary for a lot of people. So yeah, I really appreciate uh you sharing that. And I will put the links to those books in the in the show notes for everyone to access and to your website as well.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

Oh, yes, great. Thank you so much, Jules. I had such a wonderful time connecting and um being able to share those stories. Um, I think what you're doing is also just so wonderful, and I'm so grateful for you and being part of your community. It's just such a gift.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Thank you, and thank you again for today. It's been really, really inspiring. I feel like we need a part two because we didn't get to cover everything today.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Oh my god, I'm so down for a part two.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

I'm just yes, ready to talk more. So thanks again. And as I mentioned, I will put the links in the show notes for everyone, and we'll be in touch soon. Thanks for joining me today on Highly Sensitive Humans. Make sure to visit my website, highly sensitivehumans.com, where I also offer one-to-one coaching for highly sensitive people, and a members area with monthly community meetings. You can also visit the Highly Sensitive Human Academy to find out more about upcoming online trainings, including a three-month professional training on how to coach highly sensitive people, and a three-month professional training on working with highly sensitive children. And if you found value in the show today, I'd really appreciate the rating. And you can also support the show by making a donation. Your donations are what enable the production of the podcast and enable the show to keep running.