Episode 130 | Leela Hutchison | The Giant Selenite Crystal Caves

Do you resonate with crystals? Are you curious to learn more about the spectacular crystal caves of Mexico?  We have the privilege of welcoming Leela Hutchison, a world expert in gemology who has explored the most incredible crystal caves around the globe. 

Leela Hutchison is a Graduate Gemologist from G.I.A. (Gemological Institute of America), explorer, researcher, and published author on crystals, gems, and minerals.  In January 2001, Leela was on a team of the earliest explorers to enter the astonishing giant crystal caves in Naica, Mexico.  

The giant Selenite crystals were discovered in April 2000 by two miners assigned the task of extending the underground tunnels and drilling into bedrock in search of a vein of silver, lead, or zinc.  What they found instead was beyond belief.  These colossal-sized pylons of crystal are located nearly 300 meters down inside the 200-year-old working silver mine and are in the village of Naica, Chihuahua, located on the east face of the Tarahumara Sierra Madre Mountains.  These caves contain what are now known as the largest crystals on Earth, ranging in size to approx. 15 meters (approx. 40 feet tall), weighing as much as 60 tons, and estimated to be 550,000 years old.  They are also known to be some of the purest forms of selenite found anywhere on Earth.

They are also considered one of the 8th natural geological wonders of the world in recent years.  She has sole ownership of the very first images from the 2001 expedition to the selenite crystal caves. The condition of the caves (or bubbles in bedrock) inside this mine is considered to be the most hostile and deadly environment on Planet Earth, with extreme temperatures of 128 degrees in 2001 and 100% humidity.  It is nearly impossible to remain conscious for more than 30 minutes without protective gear and clothing from the intensity of heat and humidity.  Leela’s group (before the invention of low-tech protective gear) was able to explore two caves without any protection, unaware of the high risks involved.

There were some interesting discoveries found in the thermal waters inside the silver mine. For example, in 2009, researchers collected bacteria from the silver mine, and more recently, in February of 2017, strange microbes were found inside water bubbles, resulting in weird and alien life forms never found on planet Earth. In April of 2017, Leela conducted an interview with Dr. Penelope Boston, Director of Astrobiology of NASA Ames Research Center, to understand the implications of these microbes on planet Earth and exoplanets in our Solar System.

Leela’s invitations to present her research, exploration and rare images include the most esteemed institutions of science and learning: The Explorers Club in November of 2008, The New York Mineralogical Club (the oldest club founded in 1886 of NYC) in September, 2020, the Museum of National History of Los Angeles Gem and Mineral Council in September of 2017, the Smithsonian Institute in February 2018, and to the Perot Museum of Nature and Science of March of 2018 to the Mineral Association of Dallas. In September of 2025, she was invited to speak to the Arizona Mineralogical Society, to which she was given an Award of Gratitude for her presentation as a first explorer and for some of the very first images captured in 2001.

She has also presented her research and images to geological and gemological conferences and groups such the 2018 Denver Gem and Mineral Show featuring Mexico’s Minerals and at the world’s largest colored gems/mineral organization, the American Gem Trade Show in Tucson, Arizona in 2010, 2017 & 2019, the Texas Womens Jewelry Association in Dallas in 2019, and the North Texas Chapter of G.I.A 2019, and to curious seekers worldwide to see some of the very first images that have been taken of the spectacular crystal caves of Mexico! 

Her books: “Journey into the Giant Selenite Crystal Caves of Mexico” (Edition II) published (9-1-2016) details her memoirs of the exploration of the crystal caves and “Contact in the Chihuahuan Desert” published (8-14-2-25) details paranormal and other high strangeness in and surrounding the Mexican Giant Selenite Crystals and her own experiences living near White Sands Missile Range, Roswell and Ft. Bliss Army Base in El Paso, Texas.

Leela’s extensive field research of more than 20 years has been about uncovering mysteries around these ancient crystals.

Website: https://thecrystalgiants.com/
www.facebook.com/LeelaHutchisonG.G/
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Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Leela+Hutchison

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome to the Infinite Star Connection Podcast. Thank you so much for being with us. We are your hosts, Jeff Demers and myself, Vivian Chauvet, both representing ancient enlightened intergalactic civilizations. So we are the voice for the Star Nations. Today we have an expert voice for the Crystal Nation. We are beyond excited, and I'm particularly personally eager to take a deep dive into our guest journey in places like never gone before. So the Star Trek analogy of to boldly go where no one has gone before. This is exactly what Leela Hutchinson has gone today and her incredible career. Lila, I I would love to read your exhaustive bio. Well, I'm more excited to allow yourself to introduce your specialties, the places you've gone around the world, the incredible books that you wrote, and all this deep crystal connection that you've had, like I've never heard before. And I remember you and I met and we talked, and you gifted me this beautiful book. You give that book to me, which I absolutely love, full of pictures. It felt like you shared a part of your world with me, and I would love for you to share that with our audience today. So a warm welcome to you, Leela.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Thank you, Viviane. I am so thrilled to be here with both of you. I've been waiting for this for weeks, and to set the tone, I just want you to know in the dream spell of the Mayan calendar, this is the 13 moons. Today is the first day of the new Mayan calendar, and it's Red Galactic Moon. I think it's called that. I took some research this morning on that. And it's about a consciousness and conscious relationship with water. And selenite is all about water, and what is water? It's about memory. So I would like to share with this lovely audience and people who follow you, Vivian. Um, share more of a galactic hybrid connection that that who I am and what I brought forward, and then I can tell you the places I've been and some of those things. Would that be all right?

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Yes, absolutely, absolutely. And and just to give everyone a little bit of a background, uh Lila's a graduate in Geomologist from the Geomological Institute of America and uh in Callsbart, California, and it's just to give you a taste about how much you are an explorer, a researcher, a teacher. Uh, you became the first to explore the center or to enter the giant selenite crystal caves of NACA in Mexico in 2001, and just to give a taste of the places, not only that you're going to take us today, but like you mentioned from a galactic perspective. So for our audience who may listen to you for the first time, just bring us back a little bit at the beginning in the sense that what initiated that path, this unique path for you to first, you know, study and be a graduate in geomology, and what brought you to that place so we can understand also the galactic aspect and then the discovery of all whether this incredible selenite or crystal cave around the world leading up to where you are today.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Thank you. I'd love to share that.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

In 1997, we did a charitable expedition into um Mexico to relieve hunger for the Tara Hamara Indians. These are the fastest running people in the world, the longest endurance runners. So there's all a lot of phenomenon around the giant selenite crystals. So in 1997, once I completed that journey of meeting and staying with the Tara Hamara Indians on the on the edges of the cliffs of Copper Canyon, I came back and I started to go through a deepening of um of a spiritual identity crisis. Uh and I really had prayed a lot about a purpose. What is my purpose? What is my purpose? Like so many of us. What is my mission here? What is my assignment? I got clear on all of those, but it took many years to do that as we deepen into the discipline of um or the sobriety of our spiritual evolution. It took many years to unpack that. I was in on my way to move to Sedona of all places when I was uh intersecting my destiny in 2000, October of 2000, when I met the uh the person who was putting together an exploration team and who had given me these incredible images that looked like Superman's Fortress of Solitude. I thought it literally was a movie set that I had no idea. I said, What is this? He says, What do you think this is? I said, I don't know. It looks like something for out of Hollywood, a production set. He said, he laughed and he said, No, these are real and they've been found in Mexico. And these giant selenite crystals are now known as the eighth geological wonder of the world. We had never, this is what was happening with the consciousness of humans working together with Gaia. We were waking up to her incredible network of communication with us by showing us those crystals in 2000. Amazing. So he'd given me these images, and I moved to Sedona, which is the crystal capital of the world, as we know, and I never said a word to anyone. I was very humble about that. I I didn't brag and talk to anyone about it. I said, My God, what is this? I could hardly even believe it. And while I was there that winter, I went into a deep spiritual study, and I would hike up to chimney rock and I would pray and I would ask. I would ask Spirit, Source, Creator, what's my mission? What is my purpose? Please, please help me find that. I don't want to live a life that's unconscious, whatever that means. And two months later, lo and behold, I get an invitation to become an explorer on this first expedition team to go into the selenite crystal caves of Mexico from the United States. Now they had their own geologists and their own mineral teams. La Venta came from Italy, which are cave uh Spielunkers and explorers, but that was seven or eight years later. National Geographic came seven or eight years later. Here we are, the very first, no protective gear, nothing. I had a background of charitable work with the Tarhamar Indians. That's one reason why I was acknowledged. Two, I'd been a rock climber, I'd been an athlete, I'd hiked down the Grand Canyon and back in one day, and I did that more than once. Um I just had a lot of physical stamina, I was an athlete. And that invitation came because they needed people that had that fortification and that strength, right? And it's an interstreak, that's something that's like a rite of passage. That's just not something that happened in this life, it's something that came with me into this incarnation. So that's how I got into the Crystal Caves on January 23rd. Um, I was told that it was really hot, but I was not informed how dangerous it was and that you could lose consciousness uh very quickly because it's a super hot sauna, Vivian Jeff. Um that was that was the beginning. And when I came out of that, we can we can unpack that whole journey. But when I came out of those caves, it was like my blood crystals had transformed. It was it was so intensely hot and exhausting, and it was 100% humidity, 128 degrees, and no light. And the first cave, we were there for 42 minutes. So that is almost beyond belief. And then we went back into the larger crystal caves, um, the cave of giants, and I could only go in there about five minutes at a time. Our eyeballs were literally cooking, they were the hot steam, so it was extremely dangerous. People had gone unconscious. If you were not in good shape, you couldn't, you couldn't make it. And I remember the uh head of the operations for the Pinolas mine who took me in there, Alejandro. He kept saying to me, he continued to say, I want you to look, I want you to look, look and remember, and remember. I never thought got that statement from him, and I have lived with the energy of selenite crystal every day of my life. Now going on what 25, 23 years? This is an amazing. So they're my family. Lots has been, and I would say in the last 10 years, more has been revealed to me than ever. In the beginning stages, I had no professional background. And if you were gonna have an extraordinary experience where you're one of a handful of people out of eight billion that had this experience, and you were guided by a source to say you have to share this, you have to share this with people so they understand we're moving into a new consciousness. Selenite is the master stone of the new millennium. She's and this is part of Robert Simmons' work as well. So this has been recognized. Selenite is a it's a transmitter and a receiver, it's a harmonizer. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

No, I'm just observing selenite, and no, we know selenite are really powerful, but aren't they even clairquartz and other forms of crystal also transmitter and receivers? They are archives of knowledge and encoded light codes. Aren't they all like this?

SPEAKER_02 11:02

There no, no, um, so silica dioxide comprises of 60 percent of the Earth's crust, and 95% of all the rocks on this planet have silica, silicates in them. Selenite is part of the family of gypsum, like in your wall board behind your behind you. It is it comprises of less than 1% of the entire world, and yet it is found in many, many places. It is an evaporite and it comes from ancient seabeds. So, but it's only like 1%. So it really acts as a tuner, it is a resonance tuner where quartz crystal is an amplifier. So they work differently. Quartz crystal is PC electric, selenite is not. Quartz crystal is a silicate and is found and takes up to it, could be up to 400 million years old to form. Selenite is formed from water, silica quartz is not formed from water, it's part of it, but it's not an evaporite. So they're completely different materials in geology. They work beautifully together. Okay, so it one is the quartz crystal is an amplifier, and the selenite is a tuner, it informs the field, and the quartz crystal amplifies. I'm so excited to talk to you about this, Vivian, because of you your Arcturian origins and also stewardship, working with Earth, working with Gaia, working with the star seeds in our family here. I'd love to know and as we get deeper into this and hear what you have to share about what this may mean, and more of a galactic view. In the meantime, back to this story, because I didn't even know what selenite was, and I was starting to share my love and excitement about Earth. I was um I was met with a lot of challenges from people and academic and um metaphysical, it didn't matter. It was most people didn't even believe they were real. They thought I photoshopped it. So I knew at that point when I had presented to the Explorers Club, they were um there was this one very obstinate, uh belligerent uh member who really just shouted out like, You don't know anything, and so what? This is no big deal. And I realized I needed to have some credentials. Now, my uncle in Arizona was a diamond jeweler, a diamond dealer, and when I was a little girl, he would show me flutes of diamonds in his home when we would go visit in Phoenix. So I had a path to choose. Did I want to be a geologist or did I want to be a gemologist? Did I want to study the light through gemstones? Lela's gems, Lela's gems is my kind of like my brand, is the divine play of light through gems. So I wanted to study the light. I'd already been a hands-on healer since 1996, and now I have over 8,000, 8,500 hours of hands-on healing. So I was already tapping in in the 90s into light frequency, but I'd never encountered anything like this and didn't really understand it. So on the scientific side, I decided to become uh and get my graduate gemology uh certification at GIA, which is the most esteemed, probably gemological schools in the world, so that I could present scientifically to Smithsonian and these different museums, and then and it got more popular and it was on ancient aliens and the History Channel, and it went on and on. But what I did is I hid behind them. I was afraid because I'd been attacked, and also, as we know, when there's a lot of light, a lot of dark is magnetically drawn to it. So there was many. Um I would say I would call them attacks, and because I was getting deeper and deeper into galactic knowledge, forbidden history, and memories were coming back. I was afraid to share it. So I didn't. And so for many, many, many years, I stayed on the scientific side of this, even though I was having these multidimensional experiences since 2000, 2001. I was traveling all over the world with uh one of my mentors and teachers to Stargates, and we were clearing the blockages in some of these, and some of them they returned, but we were clearing these gates so that we could have an easier process of our sovereign right to ascend. And that went back 248,000 years. So I was keeping quiet about all that stuff, and so I moved forward, and then in the last year, I realized I had to not only share 20 years of my research, my contact experiences, but it was time for myself to be completely authentic, to be genuine. I almost want to start crying and share the real knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

The real knowledge with certainty, with confidence, knowing that there's nothing to you know, to fear in the sense of that it's time and we are on the planetary level. We are at that point, and you talk about these gates. We understand we we also work with those what's called planetary gates, and those original planetary gates connect to the original human tribes on the planet. And I like what you say about reopening or reactivating those gates to facilitate the ascension process, it's part of the ascension time cycle we're in right now. So I'm glad that you feel confident about sharing, Lila, because you have so much to offer, so much.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Thank you, Vivian. Um, that leads me into really talking about and sharing with everyone about my origins. So, with those studying with um with an incredible mentor who had um a tremendous amount of reincarnational memory and and Earth's history, I came to realize that I am an indigo. I'm I'm considered a first waiver, like many of us that were born in the last century, especially in the 50s, the boomers. And the indigo strand of the sixth DNA, the sixth strand of the DNA, is the color of indigo, according to the system that I studied many, many years ago with Ashiana. And that there were many of us first wavers that came in. Uh, starting in the 1900s, I knew 90-year-olds that were completely awake, that were born in the 30s, that were also being frequency holders on the planet. So I knew that's part of my job. My job was to be a frequency holder of a higher vibrational light. And at that time, my assignment was to be a light worker on the front lines. That's thinks that's where all the attacks came. When we started to wake up, awakening to our evolutionary and lineage, our galactic lineage with our star families. There was a lot of attacks. So there was holding that back, silently being a placeholder, and knowing that we came here to do that. It was an assignment. Other generations didn't have to do that, they didn't have to fight to have light on the planet. They're already embodied with that. The Gen Zers, the Millennials, they've come in with activations the way I see it, already. They're here to actually do it. And Frogly give us a leg up and take us to the next level of our awakening and our coherence in our ascension. So I really now see that that was an assignment, and that assignment is over. We don't have to do that anymore. We don't have to be those frontline fighting for the light. We have there's there's already an accretion and a coherence of so many others of the planet, which leads me into understanding a deeper level that my connection with these cell onite crystal pylons is I'm here to unify. That's my purpose. That is part of moving forward and bring us out of polarity in my own way. My own way. And one of the ways we do this is understanding these beautiful selenite crystals hold ancient codes for our ascension. Can I prove it? Can I show it? It's like saying, Where's consciousness in your mind? Uh, I can't show you where consciousness is, but it's everywhere. It's the same thing. I believe that these beautiful selenite crystals were um, they hold data for our ascension codes, they're pure light. And it's because of water, it's through memory. That's how they hold it. Quartz crystal is different. Quartz crystal, because it holds a PC electric pulse when pressured, it is used in satellites and computers and things like that. But quartz crystals need to be cleared from time to time because they work with our thoughts and they store memory in and programs in the crystals. So when you go outside, you need to clear, take your crystals, put them in some spring water through uh sun and moon cycle, whatever that is, and let them cleanse themselves of any program. Selenite doesn't have to have that, it's just pure, pure flowing. It flows, it's about harmony. It just it's a resonator, so it doesn't hold any programs. That's why they work beautifully together. Make sense.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

I can awkwardly appreciate what you are, you know, how describing some of the functions. Um, I know in our realm of Octurians, we come from a parallel system in our realm. Let's just say that our massive crystals work differently and they have different properties. But from this earth-based perspective, we can appreciate why the selenite had certain, like you mentioned, holding data, pure light, harmonizer, resonators, the water-based energy versus the electrical base. I think it's fascinating. Jeff, do you want a comments, feedback, or questions for our absolutely amazing guests today?

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Yeah, can you hear me? Am I um uh echoing back?

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Or if if just you talk on your own, you're fine. So go ahead, please.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Yeah, uh, does um silly night oscillate like quartz?

SPEAKER_02 22:48

No, no, it does not.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Then how how how would it hold energy then if it doesn't oscillate?

SPEAKER_02 22:57

Hold on. Am I going to go in?

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Okay, Jeff, when somebody talked, please mute yourself. Thank you. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

So it so I I did some I did some notes because holding all this is so much. So um, as I was kind of downloading this morning, it's a layered crystal lattice. It is not PCelectric, it transmits lights at exceptional levels. It's a different mechanical and acoustical properties than quartz. It can support resonance and vibrate more strongly, but I don't believe it has like a an oscillation like a quartz crystal does. I hope that explains it.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Okay. Okay, great question, uh Jeff. Thank you. I love that. Um, before we go back into that, I something got my attention when you said, you know, when talking about a family member, was it your grandfather who was um in the gemstone?

SPEAKER_02 24:01

He was no, my uncle, my uncle. My mother's yeah, my mother's brother.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

So would you say that even as a child, you always have you always felt this connection to the crystal world, whether it's through selenite or gemstone or other form of you know connections? Is this something you feel like you remember even as a child, as a child carrying?

SPEAKER_02 24:26

I do. Um I do. I remember as a child I would swing uh in our swing set in the backyard, and we would have these thunderheads that were 40,000 feet tall. They're beautiful, they looked like a Maxfield parish scape, you know, like this gorgeous neon pinks and and oranges and beautiful, like marine-colored blue skies and white clouds. And I would just I would sing to the angels. They were they were singing to me. I felt like I was with Jesus. It was amazing. And I had um being born and raised in El Paso, Vivian, um, it was called the College of Mines because New Mexico is a plethora of tremendous minerals. There's everything there. So as a child, we would go uh into McKeligan's Canyon in El Paso, where I was born, and go in the canyon, find fossils and all kinds of different minerals. I loved it. And some and somewhere out by um the Oregon Mountains, we would find garnets, uh olive, which is Parado, that beautiful, beautiful green stone, which is my birthstone. Um what else was I gonna say? Um where was I going with all the uh the minerals? Uh but my love of that, so it started early. Um and we would go out into the desert a lot and find incredible fossils. And I didn't know that that was a massive aquifer. It was called the Sea of Thetis, and this it was called the Great Ocean, the Great American Seaway, and it actually separated, I think, like the Ozarks from the Rocky Mountains, and it was massive water that became an aquifer. So that's why we found a lot of the evaporites around there, and why like the San Luis Valley and Prestone in New Mexico is one of the massive aquifers in the continental US. There's also another one in the country of Mexico, in northern Mexico, underneath Chihuahua, and the state of Chihuahua is where the town of Nica, where the mining town is, where they found the giant crystals. So, in some of my research, like with meeting with Dr. Penelope Boston of NASA's Moffat Fields, she is the director, she was the director of astrobiology and had over 650 astrobiologists who worked beneath her. What did they look for? They were looking for extremophiles. These are single microorganisms that have the ability to withstand cosmic radiation on different planets. So, and they found them in the waters. So when the NASA team went into the Crystal Caves in 2009, they extracted fluid inclusions, and when they looked at them underneath the microscope, what they saw was alien microbes that were existing for 60,000 years on the metals and the minerals feeding off of that as a food source, sustaining themselves within the light of the selenite crystals, the pylon that was over 60 tons and it was laying down, probably from a cataclysmic pole shift, probably dislodged it and made it fall. What they found was there were no other microbes like this on planet Earth. This did not come from a database of any other studied microbes. And if you're the director of astrobiology with 650 astrobiologists around the globe looking for extreme files, you know this is the truth. This was alien microbes that had entered into the solamite polylons. Is that amazing or what?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

It's just to remind it really reminds us how much we are all interconnected, how much life has a way to reach out to itself, like the branches of trees have a way to connect to each other. And I love that to having these, you know, alien or extra beyond extraterrestrial presence within these pylons. This is incredible. So what right? So what happened next after that discovery?

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Oh my goodness. Well, it's kind of like the mandala effect. I'm just gonna bring this in because this is a little bit of a tricky kind of phenomenon. I had a two-hour meeting with her at Moffat Field in Mountain View, California in 2017 on this subject. And yet later in papers, scientific papers, they called these uh extremophiles that were never found in another database ancient microbes, but they were described and shared in the original as alien microbes. So they changed that word in like the mandala effect. Bernstein, Bernstein, bears, you know, how that you know that sort of thing. Some things happen there, but there's nothing in that database that Chris McKay, who was testing and drilling, you know, boring a hole into the selenite crystal to get the uh fluid out to study it. And then they put this in the Mars rover. So they never found anything like that, very different. So um they carried on with that, and they had two, excuse me, two expeditions, one in 2008 and 2010. Because what they were they had no idea at that point how these giant selenite crystals had formed. But it's it's like it's it was the it was everything was the right temperature, it was the right time and place. They were 900,000 years old. You know, a conservative estimate is 550 million years old, some weigh as much as 60 tons, six feet wide. Uh, and they're the slowest growth crystals in the world. They grow the width of a human hair every 100 years. So this is holding lots of memory, right? Planetary memory.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Lots of planetary memory indeed, and then the carbon base that they said technically, when were these selenite um giants? Uh there are giants who are introduced to the earth, like you talk about some of them are like very ancient, but do we know exactly a little bit in terms of the history timeline? What how old are the most ancient ones?

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Yes, yes, I think so. Um just like um quartz crystal, like in Atlantis, they had a seed farm. If you look at, I'm gonna make a comparison, then I'm gonna talk about the silly light, because quartz crystal takes anywhere, and what we understand about timelines, 200 and 200 million to 400 million years to form a quartz crystal. Amazing, right? They're so beautiful, so beautiful. And Arkansas is the only place in the world north of the equator that has a vein of this quartz crystal that runs under Lake Washita in the Mount Ida area. Amazing. So what we understand is, and this is obviously some channeled information about ancient Atlantis history, is that Arkansas was a seed farm. So they would they would birth the little, they would grow like the little tiny crystals in Arkansas, and then they would use those. I don't know how they teleported, how they did that, and brought that back into crystal technology for Atlantis. And I love, love, love our masterclass. We spoke about that and what what was you know in the golden years of Atlantis, which was so beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Thank you. Oh, that is so kind of you, Lena. Yes, it is. It's just you're right. I love the way you bring thank you so much again. It really means a lot. Um, that masterclass about the Atlantic, it's the Atlantean time. I remembered, and we need to come back to that remembrance. Thank you so much because it really feels it's just so much in alignment with what you everything is sharing about still point of connection to the planet today in relations to our galactic history, in ancient codes, information, data, pure light, everything that you mentioned so far. So I'm glad you're mentioning Arkansas because Arkansas, I mean, this does that vein of crystal. Um, some people are asking, if I may, is it true that if water comes in contact into with selenite, it will dissolve the selenite?

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Yes, yes, yes, it does. It's uh it's a number two on the most scale of hardness. It's only thing softer than selenite is talcum. Talc, like what they make talcum powder, talc, and then and then hydrated calcium sulfate. So this is a sulfide, it does, it will dissolve if it's exposed to high moisture because the way it was formed was an arid desert, right? It was an evaporite. This is water that coalesced in making minerals. So let me let's go back to the giant selenite crystals. I'll tell you how they got formed. This is what it took years to find out, and we didn't know, we were just taking incredible images. And I don't even know if we can share a screen, possibly not, but I would show um one of the images um in a minute. Um, but let's go back to how they were formed. So think about this massive aquifer beneath 200,000 square miles of desert, high desert. And what happened was probably again through some cataclysmic pole shift, some kind of an earthly event, like plates, something happened to the magma. So the magma in the mantle got pinched, and when it pinched this little bit of magma, it became like a Bunsen burner, and it heated up the aquifer in certain spots. And what happened was because of the fissures in the bedrock, fissures, cracks, that there was a hydrothermal exchange of mineral-rich rich waters that came up, and just like a uh uh like in elementary school, when you would do a scientific uh experiment with putting salt in a glass of water and watching it evaporate, what happened? The crystals started to grow right off the glass, right off the edges of the glass. This is exactly what happened. In 1910, they found the cave of swords, but they were only three feet in in length. So when they the miners went down a thousand feet looking for lead, zinc, or silver, they punched a hole in the bedrock, and instead of finding veins of that, it was a like Swiss cheese, it was a pocket of dark, extremely hot, humid air. And when they flashed through a flashlight, they were absolutely stunned when they saw these incredible selenite crystals. You can go on to YouTube, everything's backlit with a light. It wasn't like that for us, and I think that was because we had those extraordinary images being the first explorers. I have these 55 rare images that show what it was like in the early days before low technology suits to protect people and backlighting and in a real exploration because we couldn't do it, it was too dangerous. But that's how they were formed. Now let's go back to Atlantis. So in the beautiful time of our earth seedings, which we've had many, and one of those times, and I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of years, it is my understanding. I'm gonna I'll I'll do it like this. Some people say I don't like that either, but I'm trying to get to an origination of where this came from. That these were these, it was called the Atlantean Pylon Interface Network, and Atlantis uses them, used them as communications, these beautiful selenite crystals. So that's during the time when there was everything was really evolving and the awakening uh of humans in one of those golden age periods of time. Later, they were destroyed. We know that there was this dystopian Atlantean demise, and that these crystals were blown up, not just quartz, but also that network that was part of that was destroyed. I believe these selenite crystals in Mexico are part of that network that still is around. And I believe there's many clusters. If we have hydrated calcium sulfate all over gypsum, which is the family gypsum, all over the world. I mean, they're it's found all over. It's even it's in um Iran, Poland, China. I mean, they're they're mining millions of tons of this because they use it as filler, they use it for uh building homes and and insulation, lots of different things.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Well, of course, it makes a lot of sense that all these clusters of fragments of the reminiscence of the original Atlantean crystals or the network of it will be found all over the world, and the regions you describe are part also of the original tribal, human tribal connections or the root races connections with the planetary gateways that we talked about earlier. So, yes, so that's a big yes. I love what you said.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Yes, I do too. May I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_01 39:19

Oh, you want to of course.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

I'd love to. So we talked about the Arcturians and the master crystals. How do they work with the crystals on Earth? How do they work with selenite? I'm I'm I'm wondering if there's a direct relationship with stewarding, you know, human consciousness here, and you know, bringing us back into oh, I don't know, I call it like a galactic society. We're moving, we're evolving into that. I would love to know if you could share with us um maybe your perception about the solenite crystals and the master crystals from Arcturius.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yes, absolutely. And I'll I'll be brief because this is more about you, but I appreciate the question. Uh Jeff and I have a philosophy. When we bring a guest, we want to be there for them. But just quickly, since you're asking, thank you for that, Leela. So, again, because we have to think about that, we come from a parallel system. So, our the way we work with the consciousness, or what's called the master crystals. They are very advanced crystalline being, and it takes on forms of giant generators and that has it can embody maybe the next generation of what sill and I will become into or the clear quartz. They're beyond electrical, they're beyond you know water base, they're really it's hard to describe. They carry the pure frequencies of what's called the creational code, and those creational codes are completely, of course, in communication through the living crystalline grid of this planet, and therefore we can understand, like you mentioned, ancient Atlantis or the Atlantic timelines a fusion or there's a reconnection, emergence of the timeline in Atlanti from Atlantis, so we can start to release ourselves from the always the catastrophe and the disconnect and the miscreation. We need to return into the knowledge of it. And reactivating these fragments to that original network, of course, it intertwined in the way we also carry through on board our vessel, because we know that the Octarian vessels are the master vessel, the big mothership are organic in nature and has a crystalline uh nature to it, and the way we can project effectively the pure aspect of our thought forms to implement and communicate with that network you just described here on the planet. But what we do is that quickly we we re-ignite the unification in that network or the remembrance of it, which will echo into our own crystalline template in our DNA, and of course, the nervous system of the planet and the ley lines. But what we do is that we also how could I say that, stimulating that unification to take place. It's all part of the the time, the the ascension time cycle. It's all interconnected. We knew all of us, you knew in the soul level, the crystal nations knew, the Atlantean we knew, the octern nations we knew, and all others, that one the timeline realigned again that we were able to do that even more. And here we are today. So coming back to you, Leela, is what I'm hearing from your journey is of course at the soul level, you brought all this beautiful design in your soul blueprint and follow it since you were a child, leading up to who you are today. This is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

Thank you for saying that. That how beautiful. And that makes so much sense to me. Yeah. Just how it looks, and I think again, it's like preparing for this interview today. It was like, I just keep hearing the words over and over again unifying, unify. It's all about unifying. That's what we're here for. A lot of us, right? We're gonna bring this. We're we're I don't want to say humanity is fighting to be free, but we are. We want to we want to let go of that mind control that's held us down and really step into our sovereignty. Oh, I feel like crying.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

You are amazing, Lena. Thank you so much. And I feel your energy too. Before we go into our beautiful question we have for you from the audience, I'd like to give my co-hosts a chance to interact with you, maybe asking questions or something.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Hey, uh, can a stellamite be considered an electrolyte?

SPEAKER_02 44:09

Be because it's a salt? You think because it's a salt? That is a very interesting question, Jeff. I've never considered that. I I don't think so. I don't know for sure. That would be something to look into. It's like, well, it because what you think of an electrolyte is sodium, potassium, calcium, and something else. A phosphate? I can't remember. That would be interesting. I will tell you this though. I did at one time make a hydrosol. It was called Sacred Site. And it was beautifully made by some of the material out of Mexico in a crucible. And it was a hydrothermal exchange, right? Of um, if you know, it's steam distillation. And you would drink this. And it had it had a very um relaxing effect. It's like really letting go of the guard. This was a while ago, but I'll tell you something, and I I think this is some I didn't know I would share this today, but what I realized is when I took selenite without permission and I used it to make money, I was in violation of their consciousness. Okay, it's a big deal. These are sentient beings. You can call them microbes, you can go, I don't know. I mean, water is this is a living being. And when I took that and pulverized those crystals and then put them in a steam distillation, I violated their own sovereignty. I had to go to the land, ask forgiveness, took whatever I had left and put it back into the earth and never again to violate. I think this is a very important thing we're talking about because we use without permission and violation Gaia's beautiful resources to make money, to live, to survive, whatever, to uh notoriety, you know, whatever it was. I wanted something, I wanted people to have a taste of the journey that happened to me and the Selenite Crystal Caves. And because I've always made my living being something I have Uranus in my sixth house, so I'm always being very creative about how I do that. I didn't know I had gone into violation, I had to really sit with that and return all of that liquid back to the earth and ask prayers of forgiveness. How about that?

SPEAKER_01 46:48

How about that indeed? A goosebumps to the soul and it resonates to all of us. It brings us back into secular realignment with the universal laws. We need to return to the natural laws in in relations to Gaia's resources and honoring all the sentient living beings. That reminds me of the aboriginal tribe of Uru. When you go to Uluru, there's so much visitor going from all over the world there. You have to understand how you enter the land. And they said avoid completely picking up any rocks unless it is given to you. Unless it's the same thing as a selenite, avoid, leave the rocks in the land, whether it's Keta Juta site, whether it's Uluru, whether wherever you go. And when I remember when we were there a few years ago, um at the end of our journey, we were such of service that we were at a sunrise or sunrise ceremony outside Uluru and a huff, you know, kind of a little rest area. And I walk and I felt a rock beneath me between my feet, and I said, Well, I can't pick you up, I'm not allowed. And I heard the land voice, a collective of ancient voices come to me and they said, and I'm gonna cry about that myself, is in render for all the services that you've provided, we're going to allow you one, one will come to you. One, and I said, Is that the one by my feet? They said, Yes, that's the one who volunteered. And I said, Not that volunteer, but who volunteered because it's a being. And I picked it up, and it was small, can fit in the pole of my hands. And I said, Are you certain? Because I had other people looking at me like, What you're doing? And I said, I'm in communication right now. Let me let me let me ask again. And they said, Yes. In exchange for all the service what you've done, we're gonna allow you this one rock, and that's the one who volunteered to come back. So I live in a desert of Arizona, the ancient crits of Arizona, which is also very connected to ancient Egypt, the golden timelines, and other ancient Aboriginal tribes. So the rock is here with me in a sacred pottery made by uh Hopi uh artists, so honoring the indigenous. It is inside of that pottery made by the Hopies. I told the rock, this is your home. Please connect and continue to vibrate to the collective of all the rock nations and what it you represent to the grids. But that's how I did it. So when you talk about this, thank you for bringing that up today, Alita, and allowing me to share that story because it's so potent, it's so sacred. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

So sacred. It reminds me, I'm wondering if this would be a good time just to. This was the only selenite piece that was given to me out of the crystal caves.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Oh, whoa.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

I want to see how this is the most well, first of all, they know that the clearest optical selenite crystal is found in this cave and nowhere else in the world. So it has, and maybe you can see this, it actually has a higher optical color of blue. I see it, it just depends on your eyes how to see that. You see it, Vivian. Yes. So I wanted to. Do I need to bring it a little closer and just show people? So you see, look how you see you, and it's very thick. See that crystallatus work, see, very, very thick. Um what I want to share about this is that in the 40s, before safety plate glass was ever invented, they used selenite crystal and the and the bomber planes as the sighting, you know, the sight, so that they can look down. Because they they didn't have, and in the windshield, I think that's how they did it, they didn't have safety plate glass so that if any of the bullets came through, it would pierce and go through into the cockpit, right? Into the plane. But this can you can pierce this, but you cannot penetrate it. That's why they used it because the lattice work is so strong that the bullet can't go through and shatter it. So the military harness this and weaponized it, so to speak, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Let's send blessings, let's send love, consciousness, alignment, and universal forgiveness and just send that energy right now. What a privilege to see that peace that was given to you. And I can appreciate, I can see and feel why. But to share that with us right now on the podcast is such a privilege. I could connect with it, I can see the colors. Now, Jeff, did you see the colors reflecting on the surface of that piece of selenite?

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Yeah, I see that, and you know, that's the basis for Lexan, is how they develop the layers because they analyze uh that uh crystal and realize that if they put layers on top of layers, it'll slow a bullet down. And now they use that for impact standards.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Jeff. Jeff, my friend and my co-host Leela, he has a lot of knowledge more than meets the eyes. Um, so I love always when Jeff, you bring your input, it's just amazing every time. So I just want to acknowledge.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Yes, absolutely. Um, I would like to go back to one, because you wrote many books, and I know just for everyone watching right now who will discover this unique, incredible conversation, this journey we're taking together today. All the description, entire bio, all the links, uh, Lita's website, uh, links to the books, social media, everything is in today's description. We're gonna invite you to even further your exploration beyond this podcast, just so you know everything is there. We always honor our guests. I want to go back to this beautiful book while The Journey into the Giant Selenite Crystal Caves of Mexico, the second edition, um, with colors. I mean, just chapter 10, just to give you one idea, if I may do the permission to show a picture. Okay, I read the book and I was going back to chapter 10. It brought my got my attention, and it may be small, so bear with me, but look just of the potential of that image. Uh, you can already feel, oops, sorry, the energy of it.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

I mean, right, we mean the blue, the blue color, the optical blue that came out.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

See, and this is just one aspect of the book, easy to read, it's just a delight. Again, thank you for this gift that you gifted me, plus for the dedication that you wrote, it means a lot. But again, all the books, because you wrote more than one, but this is just two, okay, but still, you wrote two, but this is the second edition, a delight. I've learned so much, all the imagery, also in colors, mind you, and the the journey. I feel like I was there every step of the way. And the obvious question, and I know it's a yes already, but I just want to ask with all your expeditions and the connections. Have you received messages directly from the Selenites or the pylons?

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

Would you be comfortable of sharing us maybe some of these highlights of the messages?

SPEAKER_02 55:22

They personally, yes, I'd love to. They were alive and the images in the crystal caves, you could feel something was looking at us. Some things were looking at us because they were there with us. It just that was amazing, but I didn't know how to unpack that. It took a long time to figure that out. Um I've used they've also told me that was important to grid. So I've done many workshops and retreats, uh, and where I've gone to places to re-grid the land, like a lot of us do. A lot of us are grid workers. I get that. Um but working with the selenite, it's like you become the selenite. So in a group, we cleared the grids because it's pure light, so we anchor that in. So they were showing me how to do that. That's a whole nother story, right? But they've given me messages like that. They've also have shown me great love and encouraged me to step out of my fears and be authentic and really share, no matter what people are gonna say about me, to really share what this is about now. There's there's no looking back now, not at this age, at this time. It's we're moving forward, we are evolving, and we're all part of it, and we all have a piece to share. So they were sharing that as well to me. And then also, again, it's for me, it was about my mission going forward is to unify. I'm here to bring groups together to unify. So they tell me this all the time, they're believing. I fought writing that first book, it was 2016, that was 16 years after I went into those caves. So you can imagine agonizing going back and remembering and making sure that when you read that book and those chapters that go into the caves, that you sensed it, you felt it, you smelled it, you tasted it, touched it, you had the experience like you were right there with me. It was very difficult for me to do at the time, but they told me you can do it, you've got to get it done. You've got to get it done. The last thing I'll say. This book is it backwards? I don't know. Is it mirrored backwards?

SPEAKER_01 57:52

No, I can see uh okay. Contact. Yeah, we can read it.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

Yeah, in the Chihovan Desert. So this is the Selenite white sands missile range out there, the full moon, which is the moon goddess in Greece for Selenite. Her name was Selene, she was named after that. Selenite was named after the moon goddess Selene. This book is the 20 years that they guided me into the desert to make the connections between all the phenomena, the high strangeness, and the mysteries. And that was this book just came out in August of 2025. And it looks like it's coming into right on time, especially with the UAP UFO papers being released now, in a tranche of um of papers from our government going back to the 40s. There's so much history that's happened in the Chihuahuan Desert and amazing connections, like Tara Hamara crystals that uh are the running people who worked with Ponchovilla in the 20s, and how he used Selenite crystal as um as a protector from the wisdom elders. So lots and lots of different information about that. And that took a long time of many, many boxes of notebooks that I went through and said, This is finally time to be done with that layer of the third-dimensional sort of context, and move now into this galactic piece of remembering, remembering who we are and this rich history we have and where we're moving into our evolutionary lives.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

All the enlightened beings, whether you're galactic or from a crystal master, um or a steward, also from the Atlantean timeline, return in this lifetime to work in the very specific aspect of the grits, whether you feel in your heart calling deep into your soul, whether you you are working out of the consciousness of this planet and relations to other beings. That the word unification is very much where we are. And I I love to witness and and listen to a very specific, how could I say, redundant messages that invite us right in the same direction. We're all going in that direction. And you are, Lila, you are really living, you're living your sole purpose, your guidance since you were a child, you know, leading up to your study in geology, whether it's your expeditions, and bless your physical form for being able to that, as much as my heart would love to do that. I was not engineered to go into this cave. I I wouldn't not be able to, you know, do what you've done, and many of us cannot, but even I, even less, as a turn hybrid, I'm like, let's just say I work on the Chris, I will project my hologram instead in those caves. You know, and it and it really is. So some people are asking also, Alira, to come back into the Selenite, how to incorporate them in your life. Can it help someone to clear negativity or clear a house or to clear field? Can it be used that way?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:18

Absolutely. It is, it's like you don't have to you don't have to work at it. Like in a quartz crystal, you know, there might be again, you're gonna sit and you're gonna meditate with it, maybe, and and and put an intention into that crystal. But the beauty of selenite is that it's just pure white light. So it's a perpetual, it cleans, it can't hold a program, so it's just constantly moving and resonating and bringing in harmony, right? It's harmonizing. So in that field, negativity can't really coexist with it. That's my experience. Have I gone through negative parts of my life and had a deep night, dark night of the soul? Sure I have, sure I have, but I have selenite all over my house, and it is um it's an angelic force field. That's how I feel about it, and it's it's so it's purifying, it's a purifying resonance, and yes, you can use it, and just don't put it in water and keep it, you know, keep it. It doesn't, you don't need to clean it because it's perpetually clearing and cleaning itself.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

Beautiful. Thank you for answering the question. Sometimes people are wondering. I'm just keeping a you know a glance at the chat room to make sure that the questions are answered. Jeff, my friend, question, comments, feedback for our guest today?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

Oh, yeah, here's a good one. Um here we go. Um lost civilizations that were here and gone, especially in Mexico, Chaco Canyon, all around them. Okay, then all of a sudden they were just gone. They may have gone underground. Do you think that maybe like the cellite picked up uh one of them conscience of these uh people and it's just been everlasting, predominant, stuck inside of the selenite?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

No, you mean like picked up the records? Yeah, yeah, they're record holders. They can do that. I think they have. I think they have gone underground. Some of these you're talking about these prior earth seedings, these cycles? Yeah, it's really pretty fascinating, isn't it? Very possibly, yeah. I think they're why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they hold if these are data, these are time capsules that hold our ascension codes? Did we as a collective contribute to that in that memory in the water? Did it hold that from other civilizations?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

And I wonder if that could be part of the sentient part of that. You know, are we instilling our Ingrams onto a stone?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

Well, again, because this is water, there's so much to say about um what happened in this desert.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Yeah, we are water anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:22

We are water, and we and we hold memory as well. But you have to think about some of these microbes that are there, they came not from our planet, there's something else that happened. The um Allende meteorite. Are you familiar with this meteorite that fell? This had the building blocks of our universe before our solar system was even developed. They found these calcium aluminum intrusions, inclusions, I should say, chondrites that were in these this meteorite. There were over two tons of this that fell into the zone of silence. All right, because what you know, what was attracting it? Was it the water? Was it the magnetite that drew it in, it magnetized it in? Um was it memory? Like what would pull something so massive, two tons, that exploded that actually had the building blocks that were older, they were 4.7 billion years old, and our earth is dated to be 4.3, 4.4 billion years old. And when they dated this meteorite, it was older than our earth. What would create that? What kind of consciousness would bring that? Was it in the stones? Was it another civilization? Who knows? Who was here 4.7? Or four point three billion years ago. I don't know. I don't know questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

I'm not sure if Well the Zone of Silence is actually a nuclear waste uh dump. And that's why nothing uh works around there. No, I've never heard of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

Is that because of the uh the the new suitcase bomb nuke that they they exploded there after the uh after the Green River missiles, the uh uh the uh Athena rockets were there that crashed there.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:43

Okay, I'll mute yourself, please. Yeah, that this was actually done in the late 40s, and they used that area just for uh nuclear waste. Uh they exploded a lot of stuff around there. That's why nothing works around there. Because I had thought it was like some sort of a mystical uh alien thing, but it's actually was just uh a waste dump.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

That's why you so did you not hear about uh I mean, scientifically, it it has a massive cachet of magnetite in the soils.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Yeah, that's just a byproduct of it all.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

Byproduct what of the nuclear waste waste?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

Oh, I I'm sorry, I don't agree with that, but from my research, I didn't know that. I didn't think there was nuclear waste in the 40s there. But there's been anomalies. There's been UFO crash retrieval, the U uh the Roswell, Mexico, the Mexico's Roswell that was there in the Chihuahuan desert that crashed with uh UFO colliding into a single prop um airplane from El Paso. Did you hear about that story?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:51

I I have read about it, but I didn't uh research it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

Well, 2024 Mexican military soldiers were found dead at the site as they had loaded a UFO craft onto a uh there was a convoy and it was a flatbed, and they were taking it, and the US was attempting to intervene, which they did, and actually took the craft and stole it from the Mexican military and took it off either the Wright's Air Force Base, Fort Bliss, somewhere. There's there's a lot to be said about that. But there's two things that happened. The um, I think Werner von Braun came in to the zone of silence where the Athena rockets crashed there, and they had to completely clean up all the radiation. And I don't think that was 40s, I think that was later, that was also 70s, because it came from Green River, Utah, and it was supposed to go to a trajectory into White Sands Missile Range, but it didn't, Jeff. It went off trajectory and landed in the zone of silence. And what was pulling it in because it's an anomalous region that has no communications there, right? No satellite, no phones.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:07

The understanding was that it was magnetite that had pulled it off its trajectory and landed there. They came in and mute bomb to clean and clear all of that out, and then they came in and took all the soils and took it all away. Renevon Bron was in charge of that project. Fascinating stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:37

Okay, I'm gonna have to mute your microphone again, Chev. That's too much echo. Thank you. Well, fascinating. Let's continue into higher space. Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

I like that. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:52

Okay, perfect. Well, we have a few questions in the audience. Is it okay? I'm gonna explore them with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

Yes, ma'am.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Thank you so much. Well, coming back into the meteors that you're talking, the meteorites coming to the planet, carrying the building blocks, you know, whether the solar system, the earth before even its formation. Someone asked, is this is it not the same with moldavites in terms of carrying you know extraterrestrial or interstellar coding into them, the moldavites?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

I don't know if they're older than our solar system, the moldavite, but I think it's uh it's a tectite, and I think that's that's younger than the forming of the earth. I think moldavite is younger than 4.3 billion years old.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

Okay, beautiful. Thank you. Love the answer. Thank you so much. Elena's asking, how do we know the crystal we have were sourced positively with Gaia's permission?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Well, that's a good question. Most of the selenite is called it's satin spar. Isn't that beautiful? Most of the satin spar comes from Morocco. That's why when you go to Tucson, Arizona, and you go to the rock shows, you'll see plenty of this. And it's one thing I love about Mother Earth that this is so plentiful and cheap that they can't charge um like you can for a single court, a single point quartz generator, like millions and millions of dollars for that, which is crazy, but they do. Um Joanne Walton in Arkansas, Fayetteville, and her museum, she paid like six million dollars for uh a beautiful single court. It was probably a single point. I don't know how much it weighed, maybe 400 pounds. But selenite is for us, it's a gift of Mother Earth to us, and I do love that. So I don't know, I don't think it has to be um not like a diamond because it's not I don't really know how the Moroccan selenite, I don't use it if I can. I might be gifted it, but it's not what I use. My connection is to Mexico and other places that I have to tune into. I think it's a personal thing you need to do is if you feel good about it. Um I would recommend though that you don't go to some of these rock shows where the Moroccan selenites is so cheap and people make a living off of that that um I'm not sure it's really mined sustainably, consciously. They just throw this stuff around. I've seen it too much, put it in the back of trucks, let it roll around in the back, and whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

And you're making a good point in terms of anything on this planet, whether it's minerals, whether it's resources, whether it's you know, coconut, bananas, how the animal kingdom is overused in this honorable way, whether it's the land overbuilt upon, and all of it, I think it brings us back to that unity, that galactic community that we are co-creating together, the return into unity consciousness, we need to be stewardship of this planet. And that means all aspects of it, including the minerals or the selenites and others, which leads me to the next question. And I think it's kind of implied in terms of do you feel, Leela, based on your experience and your direct interactions with these beautiful ancient crystalline living beings? And is it okay to ask Modagaya, can you please manifest a crystal that can really help my journey? And I will honor the crystal, and to be able to receive it with gratitude and appreciation.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:19

Absolutely, just like yours, your experience when you were in Uluru, the same thing. I think you can do that. I at this point in my life, I don't need any more crystals, I don't really have to acquire them. I don't, they're here, I have they're my family, I have what I have, and um for me, but for the lady or the person who's asking, absolutely, it's like anything that it'll come to you if it was meant to be with you and you did work. Selenite is a tool, it's not a pretty thing, it's a tool, and it's to be used to help intentionally to create protection and a beautiful, loving, pure, angelic force field around you and in your home and your property.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

Beautifully said, thank you so much, Lita. Thank you again, everyone. Every all the links to connect to Lita, so website, books, and others are in today's episode description. So please go back to today's episode. The description has all the links and make sure that we have everything there. Uh, you can easily, whether you want to purchase the books, including the beautiful, the one that just came out in 2025. I love this one too, the second edition. I just enjoy it so much. Uh, it's on my desk with me, and I can feel the energy as if I'm still traveling with you. There's no time, there's no space. It's still unfolding even as we speak, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:52

Oh, it's just been so beautiful to be with you both. Um I this resonance is so deep for me. It's a it's a genuine connection and communication that I so appreciate and and love. I'm looking forward to seeing you in September. I'm very excited to be there for your retreat and to share more and be with everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:15

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SPEAKER_01 1:16:17

Incredible, so excited as well, and and being a sacredness, and I love how you are reminding us, even in the time of Atlantis, and whether it's Lemuria, whether it's all the sacred phase of the Earth evolution, and we talk about Earth as also its own crystalline archives. So wouldn't you say that the Earth archives are interconnected to the Selenites, the one that you explore in Mexico, deep in the caves, and the one you just show us on the screen.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:50

Yeah, I believe so. Definitely all over this history, absolutely, and there's more clusters there, which is so exciting. We just haven't found them yet, but they're there, and there could be, I call them like selenite crystal temples inside the Earth's crust that may be again, you know, connecting and creating a resonating, you know, transmitting and receiving of data. You know, the old stories go back. I'm gonna say old because they're 25 years old for me, is that these were monitors at one time when we had a collapse of seeding, and Sirius came in and used, maybe even helped form and create these selenite crystals as um for data on the earth seeding. They needed to accelerate the next experiment of earth seeding. So, what did they do? Did they make it more of a tropical environment where everything accelerates, you know, in growth? But there are there are stories that they came and that the guardians from Sirius came to oversee the development of another earth seeding, humanity seeding.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:04

Oh, yes, for sure. The Assyrians were very involved, and we remember the thing is, you know, I represent a very, very ancient and already ascended intergalactic group, uh, Octurians in our true essence. So we remember everything you spoke of, you mentioned, I remember it from an Octurian perspective, and the Syrians have always been very engaged into the seeding, along with the Lyrans and our high council, the founder races. And something you mentioned earlier, Lita, we talked about how traces of you know foring beyond this planet traces, whether it's meteorites, whether it's within the ancient Selenites, all of it, and how the transmission can come about. Well, we remember a time where part of our Crystal Council expert were beaming through the planet the early stages of the Earth. And that was even before Atlantis, that was before Limburia, and we were beaming out to these almost like um it looks almost like a fiber optic of transmission that contains very specific crystalline codes, and they were they were brought back to the planet from another planet, and we remember the time when Mars was very, very similar to the Earth, almost like a twin, and Mars was shifting into a high of resonance. It's a long story, I'm not gonna go there. But I remember part of our crystalline council expert beaming these filaments of light through the earth, crystalline grits, and bringing out these crystal code to make it simple. But I remember that, so there's a lot of galactic memories that I was reliving as you were walking us through your journey. This is how interconnected we are. Isn't that incredible?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

It's incredible. It reminded me of when you were talking about like these strings or lines of this crystalline light, like neutrinos, you know, how neutrinos go through everything. So something like that that was encoding the earth. Um, so beautiful. It's super so ancient.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

Go back would that be considered uh panspermia? You talking about you too when they when they do that with the light covers, would that be like panspermia when they try to seed life in uh different parts of the universe?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:44

You mean on the earth or possibly? Yeah, why wouldn't it be? Before it all broke up into seven continents. Yeah, what a time.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:02

Thank you, Jeff. So we have about eight, nine minutes left. I'd like to invite you, Lita, maybe to a final words, uh can maybe a message, something. I know that will be impossible to extract everything from your incredible life journey, which continues, but from what you have seen and experiment and then especially today's acceleration, what would you say a message also from the selenite nations and the crystal nations would be in today's uh acceleration and movement on the planet? Or something that your heart maybe inspire you to maybe share with us, even from the galactic, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:48

I think their message today would be for all of us because if it's for me, it's for you, and we're one is to know you're loved, deeply loved. We are safe, we are here to connect, to explore. I'm an explorer, Vivian. You're an explorer, Jeff, you're an explorer. Many of us are so continue that curiosity and that the message is we are here as placeholders, frequency holders, to help unify this beautiful global population that we are coming to a hard coherence. Selenic crystals are here to hold structure, frequency, and resonance, working beautifully with the quartz crystal that amplifies the messages here. And I I have to say it over and over again we're here to unify at this time that that's our walk moving forward and continuing on.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:59

And so it is. So let's practice the art of sending out our light body consciousness in this cave with permission, but allow me to be able to experiment because physically, and no, not in this lifetime, at least not for me. And and honoring what you've done is such a pioneer. I'm gonna plant a fun seed today with all of us, Lila. How about eventually maybe planning a deep spiritual retreat where maybe we can be in proximity to these caves, but without having to go in it, obviously, or in a canyon or something to really work the consciousness of the ancient Atlantic grids with today's evolving higher-dimensional grids, and what let's see what kind of magic we could potentially really manifest with the memory of ancient civilizations, those are still here. Uh, wisdom, knowledge, galactic wisdom keepers. I'm just a feeling ascending going, yes, please.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:09

Yes, yes, right. It it would be you would be the right person, frequency, right group. My gosh. Oh my gosh. Yes, we would uh we would go to southern New Mexico and from there we would hold a retreat, and that would be the place. Maybe you and I can collaborate that we can talk about how that could that can happen and bring yeah people to that resonance with that incredible white sand out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:39

Oh, yes, absolutely. It's gonna have to be a collaboration because we need your expertise. What you bring is unique, and that's what that's part of unification, is honoring that the gifts that you bring are unique to you, and collaborating with my gift, which is bring an alliance of connectors, with Jeff's perspective, with his gift, it is why bring another layers of connections and so forth and so forth. That's how we honor each other. There's no competition whatsoever, it's collaboration and unification, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:10

Oh, makes me want to cry a little bit. Oh, I love it so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:14

Believe me, I've been waiting a long time for this. Speaking of we're in great company, Jeff, my friend. So always a pleasure. A quick note, I want to give a shout out again to uh talking about water, a non-profit organization who work and help the wild, uh the California um ocean or the wild water author, author as an animal. They're called the author spirit. I don't know if you can see the name. And you know, the author, the beautiful animals, OTTR, author spirit. They create beautiful bracelet gifted this beautiful trio is about intuition, communication, divine alignment. What they do, everything they have, their crystal, their bracelet, very consciousness, really beautiful energy sourcing all of it, and a profit of it goes directly to the authors. Um, and I love them as an ecosystem, they're beautiful and the sacred water. So if you are feeling the call, you can find the link directly on the Octuriannetwork.com. Go into the alliances and section where the they have their page there. You can click and see right on the octurian network.com. So I'm gonna invite everyone to also I want to give them a shout out because they're incredible. Deep breath. Jeff, you want to say something before we wrap up today?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:48

Uh any uh you going splunking anytime soon?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:54

Um, let me think about that. Let's see, my next journey. Um, I don't I don't think so. I don't think so. I've got I'll be at a uh conference, an ascension conference at the end of August in Mount Shasta. And then um on the science side, I will be speaking to the Texas Jeweler Association in Austin at a big conference in October. Those uh that's but that's not spelunking. But I'm gonna be happy to be back in Texas. It's been a long time.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:27

That's wonderful. And and who knows where else? I think that there's gonna be a lot of new doors opening. I'm sensing that, especially in 2027. Just a feeling uh planting out there. And I want to say something in a oh yes. So because the Octurne University, we're hosting our Lions Gate retreat, which will be open to the public from the live on the live stream. You can always register for the live stream directly on the website Octurian University.com. The our podcast is coming back on Sunday, August 16, if I got the right date. Yes, we're coming back on August 16. That's Sunday. We have a beautiful guest. She's um a healer, a book author. In fact, I'm collaborating with her in a book called The Initiative, The Initiative Ways. Her name is Kirsten Dawn. We're going to bring her uh and explore her journey on Sunday, August 16th. So we'll be right back here on the Infinite Star Connections podcast. In the meantime, you stay in your light, connect to the mineral. Lila, an absolutely delight. Absolutely delight today. It's been incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:46

Thank you. So honored. Love you both. Blessings.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:50

Blessing, much love to you, and as well to you, my dear friend Jeff, who I always honor, and everyone tuning in. It's because of you that the podcast is going, keep going strong beyond a sixth season. It's incredible. And we send you our love, stay in your light, and we will see you back here on August 16. But meanwhile, tune in and explore what Lila has us to offer as well. And we will talk for sure. Much love to all of you, and thank you again.