{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":0.8,"endTime":3.87,"body":"Welcome back to the Focus B show."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":3.982,"endTime":8.598,"body":"This is Katie Stoddart here, aka the Focus B."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":8.726,"endTime":14.838,"body":"And on this show, I interview high performers"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":8.726,"endTime":14.838,"body":"and leaders around the world to discover their"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":14.886,"endTime":20.83,"body":"secrets on peak performance, productivity,"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":14.886,"endTime":20.83,"body":"mindfulness and leadership."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":20.942,"endTime":26.662,"body":"So if you want to take your performance and"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":20.942,"endTime":26.662,"body":"your leadership to the next level, then you're"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":26.718,"endTime":28.442,"body":"in the right place."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":28.638,"endTime":31.814,"body":"Listen up and connect with the magic."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":36.954,"endTime":39.61,"body":"Such a joy to be here with Gary Fabri."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":39.682,"endTime":43.106,"body":"Gary is an artist and a creative catalyst."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":43.25,"endTime":49.762,"body":"His mission is to inspire and guide people to"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":43.25,"endTime":49.762,"body":"unlock their inner artists and drive success"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":49.858,"endTime":54.894,"body":"in all aspects of life, both personally and"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":49.858,"endTime":54.894,"body":"professionally."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":55.014,"endTime":60.726,"body":"He supports people to overcome the blockages"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":55.014,"endTime":60.726,"body":"and challenges to self expression by tapping"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":60.79,"endTime":62.726,"body":"into their inner wisdom."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":62.87,"endTime":64.206,"body":"Gary, welcome to the show."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":64.27,"endTime":65.662,"body":"It's wonderful to have you here today."},{"speaker":"Gary","startTime":65.758,"endTime":66.166,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Gary","startTime":66.23,"endTime":67.254,"body":"It's great to be here."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":67.374,"endTime":69.102,"body":"I'm really excited about our topic."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":69.158,"endTime":71.47,"body":"We first met when you were doing and holding"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":71.502,"endTime":73.086,"body":"the meditation session."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":73.19,"endTime":75.87,"body":"And since then we spoke and you told me that"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":75.902,"endTime":79.526,"body":"you work with helping people to unlock their"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":75.902,"endTime":79.526,"body":"inner artists."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":79.63,"endTime":84.902,"body":"I'd love you to sort of explain what you mean"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":79.63,"endTime":84.902,"body":"by unlock your inner artists and why that's an"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":84.918,"endTime":86.384,"body":"important topic for you."},{"speaker":"Gary","startTime":86.574,"endTime":92.828,"body":"Sure. 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fascinating."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2178.48,"endTime":2179.792,"body":"So thank you so much for being here today."},{"speaker":"Gary","startTime":2179.848,"endTime":2180.456,"body":"Yeah, thank you."},{"speaker":"Gary","startTime":2180.48,"endTime":2181.48,"body":"I really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2181.552,"endTime":2182.364,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2187.264,"endTime":2191.764,"body":"Thank you so much for tuning in today"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2187.264,"endTime":2191.764,"body":"to the focusbee show."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2191.944,"endTime":2195.42,"body":"I would absolutely love to hear your feedback."},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2195.492,"endTime":2198.444,"body":"So let me know in an Apple review or YouTube"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2198.484,"endTime":2205.076,"body":"comment what was most valuable for you, and"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2198.484,"endTime":2205.076,"body":"feel free to share this episode with a friend"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2205.18,"endTime":2211.084,"body":"or a family member wishing you a wonderful,"},{"speaker":"Katie","startTime":2205.18,"endTime":2211.084,"body":"magical, and focused day ahead."}]}